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Speaker 1: Hi everyone, It's Sophia. Welcome to Work in Progress. Hello

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Speaker 1: whip smarties. Today I'm sitting down with a woman I

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Speaker 1: absolutely adore from life and also from television, who, like myself,

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Speaker 1: grew up on essentially a cult classic TV show. Today's

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Speaker 1: guest on Work in Progress is none other than Troy

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Speaker 1: and Bellisario, who we all fell in love with on

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Speaker 1: Pretty Little Liars and who has made such an incredible

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Speaker 1: career as an actor, a director, a writer, and now

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Speaker 1: she is starring on Dick Wolfe's newest show, on Call

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Speaker 1: on Amazon Prime. It is an adrenalized and visceral police

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Speaker 1: drama that follows a rookie and a veteran officer played

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Speaker 1: by Troyan as they go on patrol in Long Beach, California.

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Speaker 1: This show is so good, It is so well written,

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Speaker 1: it is so well shot, and it happens to hail

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Speaker 1: from many of the same team members that I worked

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Speaker 1: on Chicago PD with and I just, oh, I love

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Speaker 1: everything about it. I can't wait to talk to Troy

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Speaker 1: in about what it was like to go from high

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Speaker 1: school drama to cop show and all of her incredible

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Speaker 1: work in between. Let's dive in.

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Speaker 2: Oh No you look amazing.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, angel I had to do a meeting today

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Speaker 1: with like a stranger on Zoom, and I looked in

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Speaker 1: the mirror this morning and was like, oh, I've been

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Speaker 1: in storage units for three days, like gathering supplies for

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Speaker 1: friends whose houses burned down, and I need to.

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Speaker 2: Re do it all. So I actually like washed my

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Speaker 2: hair today. It was a big deal, incredible.

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Speaker 1: And then you just look like this all the time. Yes,

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Speaker 1: it's not like you have just perfect face all the time.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, I was thinking, you mean the sweatshirt that

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Speaker 2: I dropped my children off in school in and me

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Speaker 2: my hair up in the craziest ponytail. It's so good

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Speaker 2: to see you.

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Speaker 1: It's so good to see you. How are you, guys?

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Speaker 1: Everything's okay.

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Speaker 2: We are exceptionally and exceedingly lucky. We're doing okay. We

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Speaker 2: were out of town for a little bit, you know,

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Speaker 2: just left and then just got back and yeah, how

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Speaker 2: are you doing.

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Speaker 1: It's just been wild. I mean, likewise, it was weird.

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Speaker 1: I what a stupid thing. But it's like my best

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Speaker 1: cees last week, so we were in Vegas just like

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Speaker 1: bopping around and then suddenly we were like, what's going on,

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Speaker 1: Like what is happening at home? And my parents had

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Speaker 1: to evacuate, and so we evacuated them to my house,

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Speaker 1: was like and now we're okay, but we're all just

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really really I don't know how to describe it.

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Speaker 2: It feels so strange to be like doing stuff like

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Speaker 2: this this week, because you know, whenever I'm listening to

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Speaker 2: it's just like, okay, wind advisory, like, we're not we

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Speaker 2: haven't seen the end of this, and I've I just

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Speaker 2: it's yeah, it's this bizarre kind of you know, awful limbo.

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Speaker 1: Well, and it's such a weird thing. There was that

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Speaker 1: I don't remember where it started, but someone had posted,

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Speaker 1: you know, climate change will be a series of disasters

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Speaker 1: you watch on your phone until you're the one filming it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and it's like I was listening to this climate scientist

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Speaker 1: talking about how everyone in LA who's been affected by

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Speaker 1: And it really it shifted something mentally for me, and

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Speaker 1: then at the same time, exactly as you said, life

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Speaker 1: has to go on. People have to go to work,

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Speaker 1: you know. So many people I know are like desperate

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very special. Yeah. I don't know if you follow.

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Speaker 2: There's a gentleman on Instagram who I absolutely adore. His

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Speaker 2: we're afraid. He's a friend of mine.

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Speaker 1: I die for him.

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Speaker 2: He is so amazing and he it was just saying

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Speaker 2: the LA community just wrapping its arms around everybody possibly

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Speaker 2: You know, yesterday it was just me going to Costco

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Speaker 1: It's special. And I mean you you also grew up here. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So it's like, I don't know, I feel such pride

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Speaker 2: I know, I know it's and it's something that you know,

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Speaker 2: because I'm it's obviously everybody who's in LA who's been

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Speaker 2: And like you said, when this is your hometown too,

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Speaker 2: so it really, like you said, it ushers in a

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Speaker 2: what a wild man. I was really hoping twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just stop saying this is gonna be our year.

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Speaker 2: Just enough of that, It's okay, Yeah, it's just it's.

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Speaker 2: Did you love growing up here? I mean, who you

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Speaker 2: like it just all feels like home. Though I don't

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Speaker 2: know what was your experience growing up same.

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Speaker 1: I think that the sort of biodiversity of this place

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Speaker 2: Well, it was funny, it was experienced on set. I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and I think it's so cool because there

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Speaker 2: a nerdy freshman and they were like, this is Patrick.

434
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:15,880
Speaker 2: He directed it, and I was probably.

435
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 1: Like like cool, it was really good man, Oh my god.

436
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 2: I was like it was amazing, it's so cool. And he,

437
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:24,200
Speaker 2: you know, in my memory like was standing underneath the

438
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 2: streetlight with like a cigarette and he was like cool,

439
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 2: you know, like it was like a whole Goodard film.

440
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 2: And I was just like a full arcle in response.

441
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 2: And then he came back to school my junior year

442
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 2: and he gave me and Brian Jordan Alvarez the Jack

443
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 2: Nicholson Award because he had won it, I guess his

444
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 2: junior year. So we met then, but then after school

445
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,160
Speaker 2: when I graduated, being at the Geffen was my first

446
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 2: job and that was the play that we met, So yeah,

447
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,119
Speaker 2: that's occur. Wow, it's crazy.

448
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,879
Speaker 1: And then you went and did something on suits and

449
00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 1: he came in and did something on PLLL.

450
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,120
Speaker 2: Like, were you guys.

451
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:08,159
Speaker 1: Just sort of game to play because you were in

452
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 1: this back and forth of travel and long distance and

453
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,360
Speaker 1: all the things and just wanted to figure it out.

454
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. There were actually two very funny, very

455
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 2: different stories, and one of them was it was the

456
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 2: first season of Pretty Little Liars and we actually broke up.

457
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 2: I broke up with him, and like the morning after

458
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 2: we broke up, he got the audition for something for

459
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:37,880
Speaker 2: Pretty Little Liars and he knew Gail Pillsbury, our casting director,

460
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:42,959
Speaker 2: and he like prepared the crap out of it and

461
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,679
Speaker 2: went in and was just like did the audition and

462
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,159
Speaker 2: Gail was like you're amazing. I love you, and he

463
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 2: was like, okay, but like I really want this role.

464
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,880
Speaker 2: And then he called his agents at the time, the managers,

465
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 2: and they were like, okay, like you're coming in really

466
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 2: hot for like an ABC Family like guest star role.

467
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:01,679
Speaker 2: Like I don't understand, you know, cause they were like

468
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 2: we're trying to get you like your own show right now,

469
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 2: and he was like, yeah, but I want this guest

470
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 2: star and then he got it. And then he called

471
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 2: me and he was like, Okay, well, I know that

472
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 2: we just broke up, but like I'm going to be

473
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 2: at your table read and I'm going to be on

474
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 2: your set, so you know, we should probably like talk

475
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 2: or something like that. And then we fully talked, which

476
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 2: I think you know what that means, and got back

477
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 2: together and then the mo phone wasn't even at the

478
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:32,199
Speaker 2: table read. We never shot the same day like it was,

479
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 2: but it is a hilarious, like you know, part of

480
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 2: our history that he then is like he put in

481
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,439
Speaker 2: the work. He put in the work. And then by

482
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 2: the time, I was always on the set of Suits

483
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 2: because when I would get a day off, I would

484
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 2: fly there and so I was just like a fixture

485
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 2: at their craft service table and at behind the video village.

486
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 2: So obviously I knew, you know, the writers, and I

487
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,120
Speaker 2: knew the showrunners and all of that, and so when

488
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 2: it came time when they had a character, you know,

489
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:07,120
Speaker 2: they're absolutely amazing. Casting director Bonnie was just like, oh,

490
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 2: this is Troyan's role, and so we got to work

491
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 2: it out. So it was like joyous because it was

492
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 2: a you know, work vacation where I got to see

493
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 2: him and like actually work with all of the people

494
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,160
Speaker 2: that I had just been like sneaking around getting snacks

495
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 2: for in between takes, you know, and trying to get

496
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 2: a little set mouse. Yeah, so that was.

497
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: How that It's really really nice And now a word

498
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: from our sponsors.

499
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 2: It's so cool to me to.

500
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 1: Watch all the things that you've chosen to do, you know,

501
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: not just as an actor, but as a writer and

502
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 1: as a producer. I mean from from feed to all

503
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 1: of these like incredible films and projects you've gone to

504
00:28:55,680 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 1: work on. How have you tried to cultivate all of that?

505
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 1: You know, how were you leaning into these other aspects

506
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 1: of your talent while you were making this massive TV show?

507
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, first of all, thank you for

508
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 2: saying that. It was always like because my parents are

509
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 2: writers and directors, they always told me when I was

510
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 2: watching the actors on their sets, they were like, you're

511
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 2: watching the luckiest point zero zero zero one percent of actors.

512
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 2: You know, these are talented right outside that gate. They

513
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 2: are equally talented people. It's they just didn't have the

514
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 2: same luck that these ones had, you know, and so

515
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 2: they put into me at a very young age that

516
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 2: you got to work your ass off, you got to

517
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 2: you know, be as good as you can. But also

518
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 2: like a certain element of it is just luck, and

519
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 2: there's nothing you can do to change that. But they

520
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 2: did tell me that, you know, while acting is a

521
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 2: very uncon controllable thing, something that is controllable is writing

522
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:08,239
Speaker 2: and directing. So if you need a creative outlets and

523
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 2: you can't like, you know, there's only so many monologues

524
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 2: I can do by myself in my office if I

525
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 2: have like the urge to be creative, you know, but

526
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 2: I can sit down at my desk and I can

527
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 2: write and you know, come up with new worlds, which

528
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 2: is you know what my parents do so well. So

529
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 2: I I remember being on you know, waiting for the

530
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 2: Geffen Show to begin when I was just out of

531
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 2: college and I had a month before rehearsal started, and

532
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 2: I was like chomping at the bit, you know, but

533
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 2: I couldn't get like a job, even for a month,

534
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 2: Like I couldn't I was working at coffee bean. I

535
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 2: couldn't go back to coffee because I'm like you guys,

536
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 2: are I'm gonna leave it in a month, you know,

537
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 2: so so I but I started writing because I didn't

538
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,479
Speaker 2: know what else to do. And then that script became

539
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 2: the first feature, which was Feed. And then I remember

540
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 2: all of my shorts being on set on Pretty Little

541
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 2: Liars and feeling feeling creatively like stifled, because as you

542
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 2: know from those ten months shooting schedules, you know, there

543
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 2: are stretches of time where you're working on amazing stuff

544
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 2: and you're like engaged and all of that stuff, and

545
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 2: then you have like a week where you have a line,

546
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 2: but you're on set all the time and you're like, ooh,

547
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 2: I have nothing to do. And so I would sit

548
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 2: in my chair and I would write, and it was

549
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 2: really helpful because then when I got off the show,

550
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 2: and especially when I got pregnant, and my agents were

551
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 2: basically like, see you when you're you know, your stomach

552
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 2: doesn't take up an entire frame of the camera. That

553
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 2: was when I really was so grateful that I knew

554
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 2: how to direct. And I you know Joanna Johnson, who

555
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 2: was just she had just left the Fosters had just ended,

556
00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 2: and she was just making good trouble and she was

557
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 2: incredible and She gave me my first job outside of

558
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 2: the PLL family while I was like eight and a

559
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 2: half months pregnant, and then like just kept on hiring

560
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 2: me through you know, both pregnancies and breastfeeding and all

561
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 2: of that. So it was it was just a really

562
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 2: fortunate like way for me to continue to have a

563
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 2: job and be a mom.

564
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: Hyeah is awesome. Yeah, definitely not easy. How do you

565
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: how do you approach directing? Because you know, to direct

566
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: to show that you're on I think is an easier transition,

567
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 1: you know it like the back of your hand. Yeah,

568
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 1: But to go onto something like good Trouble, where do

569
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: you like to start when you get a script and

570
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: you have to learn a world?

571
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 2: Well, I was very fortunate in that I in order

572
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 2: for me to start directing on Pretty Little Liars, the

573
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 2: studio actually stipulated that I would need to go through

574
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 2: the Warner Brothers Director's TV program. Well that's so cool, yeah,

575
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 2: which was I mean, like it sounds like it was

576
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 2: a big hoop that they made me jump through, but

577
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 2: like I didn't get to go to film school, so

578
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 2: it was you know, you can shadow directors all day long,

579
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 2: but like until somebody teaches you how to actually like

580
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 2: make a shot list, you know, this is all stuff

581
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 2: you're learning on the fly, yeah, and or break down

582
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 2: a scene. And so I was so so grateful that

583
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 2: they they said that I had to do that if

584
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 2: I could, you know, in order for me to have

585
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 2: my episode. And it was awesome because I would shoot

586
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 2: Monday through Friday on the show, and then on Saturdays

587
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 2: I would go back to Warner Brothers and there would

588
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 2: be six hours where I was with a group of

589
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 2: people and we were using the pretty little liar sets

590
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 2: or class So it was like the most perfect setup

591
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 2: for me to like imagine, Okay, now this is how

592
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 2: I'm going to talk to our amazing DP or this

593
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 2: is how I'm going to talk you know, like practice.

594
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 2: And then, like you said, the big step out of

595
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 2: that is when you go to another show. So then

596
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,399
Speaker 2: the next show that I did was Famous and Love,

597
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 2: which was really great because it was the same crew

598
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 2: and it was the same studios but in different sets,

599
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 2: different actors, but the same you know. Marlene was still

600
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 2: a producer, Lisa Cochran, it was the creator. Lisa Cochran

601
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 2: was our producer, and so it was still like within

602
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 2: the family, and that was really wonderful. And then when

603
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 2: Joanna hired me, it was great because it was in

604
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 2: the first season of Good Trouble. So I got to

605
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 2: be there, I think for the second and third episode,

606
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 2: which were amazing and created by the other showrunners Brad

607
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 2: and Peter, and so I got to like absorb. I

608
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 2: was like, oh, this is their visual style, and I

609
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:59,879
Speaker 2: got to watch them communicate with the most incredible DP mark,

610
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 2: and I got to see how the set functioned and

611
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 2: like from the very beginning, see the characters like go

612
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 2: through their first three storylines, you know, and that's, like

613
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,720
Speaker 2: you said, it's if I go to another set, I'm

614
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 2: extremely nervous. It is. So it's so overwhelming because, like

615
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 2: you said, especially when you're stepping into an established show,

616
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 2: like nobody knows the characters, like the actors you're speaking with,

617
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 2: you know, the crew has been here generally from the

618
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 2: very beginning, and so you really are the odd man

619
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 2: woman out who comes in and who's like, I think

620
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 2: we should put the camera there, and you know, you

621
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,359
Speaker 2: see them be like, oh my god, we'd never put

622
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 2: the camera there, and you're like, I'm like, it's you know,

623
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 2: it's a lot of juggling but the best you can

624
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 2: do is I just try to absorb as much of

625
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 2: the show as I can, you know, watch, try to

626
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:00,359
Speaker 2: make notes about the visual style. Yeah, if I can

627
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 2: shadow another director, do that, get other scripts, and just

628
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 2: really get in the practice of Okay, here's how I

629
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 2: would break down this, you know, this scene if I

630
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 2: were doing it, or like, oh, I see how they

631
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 2: played out that scene. And that makes sense because sometimes

632
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,800
Speaker 2: when you're coming onto a set, you don't have a script,

633
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 2: you know, as you know, you have an outline, or

634
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:26,839
Speaker 2: you have like a general gist of the scene, and

635
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 2: so it's yeah, it's and then the biggest thing that

636
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 2: I do is just lean so hard on the crew

637
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 2: that has been creating the show up until then, you know,

638
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 2: really just stand next to the DP and the camera

639
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,359
Speaker 2: operators as much as possible, and I'm like, okay, I'm

640
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 2: really thinking this for this shot, and they're like, yeah,

641
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:49,879
Speaker 2: that that seems great, and I'm like, okay, good, good.

642
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, So totally. I mean it's exciting. It's like it's

643
00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 1: I love, I love you know, when I get to

644
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 1: talk with other women that I really admire, particularly about directing.

645
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: I just want there to be more of us everywhere.

646
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, well what is your Have you directed a lot

647
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 2: on other shows as well?

648
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: No, so we I directed the last three seasons on

649
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,720
Speaker 1: One Tree Hill, which I loved, and then the show

650
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 1: that I did after that, there was like a our

651
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:25,280
Speaker 1: actors don't direct policy, which I think now has begun

652
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: to shift in that space, but at the time was

653
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: like very firm. And then what I've mostly done since

654
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 1: then is like really start developing and producing, and so

655
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 1: it feels exciting, you know, having I really wanted to

656
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 1: understand production because I have such a natural inclination for

657
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 1: it on set anyway, and it was so nice to have,

658
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 1: you know, the mentors that I had in some of

659
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,439
Speaker 1: our on site producers in Wilmington, who were like, you're

660
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 1: a producer, like you just do that naturally. It's been

661
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 1: nice these last few years to lean into that. But

662
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 1: I'm really starting to get the directing itche again, and really, yeah,

663
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: I just love it. I love being able to look

664
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 1: at the full picture of what's happening on a set,

665
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 1: and I always really enjoy working with other actors as directors.

666
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 1: I just think that it's it's great, It's like a

667
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: great niche for us particularly.

668
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, I feel I also think something

669
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 2: that feels so good for me about it is the

670
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:39,360
Speaker 2: ability to be creative and inhabit like an emotional moment

671
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 2: or a story, but not have to deal with the

672
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 2: insecurity of my face or wondering what it's doing, or

673
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,240
Speaker 2: the frustration of, like, I don't know if this happens

674
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 2: to you, but like all the time when I prepare

675
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 2: for a scene as an actor, there's a way that

676
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 2: I expect the scene will go, the way that I

677
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 2: hope the scene will go. And then there is what

678
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 2: I view is my own limitations and like the frustration

679
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 2: of like I wanted it to be here and I

680
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 2: imagine being here, you know, but there's that frustration of

681
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 2: my own instrument and like not really occupying that. And

682
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 2: there's just a freedom when I'm watching somebody else, you know,

683
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,840
Speaker 2: find their way in that I just feel so excited

684
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 2: to like be in service of them, you know, because

685
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 2: you can see it from the outside, You're like, oh,

686
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 2: oh my god, they totally have it. I just need

687
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 2: to like free them of that or give them that

688
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 2: permission or have them move over here. And like being

689
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 2: a part of that collaboration is so fulfilling.

690
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, it's lovely and I think it's interesting too,

691
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 1: because you the way you talk about watching other people

692
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 1: do it. You know, you you make space for people

693
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,919
Speaker 1: to have their experience, and it can really be hard

694
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 1: to give yourself the kind of space that you'll give

695
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 1: to others. I think, by nature as performers, were so

696
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: hard on ourselves. And yeah, I think there's something it

697
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 1: feels nice to be artistically free.

698
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I couldn't agree more.

699
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:22,919
Speaker 1: How did you decide on the new show? Like, what

700
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:26,399
Speaker 1: was it about on Call that made you go, that's

701
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: my next gig? For sure?

702
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 2: Well, I certainly did not do that at all with

703
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 2: on Call, like and not like to knock the show,

704
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 2: but like, I've never ever had an experience of being

705
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 2: like that's my next show. Like all of my experiences

706
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 2: are like, oh my god, I so desperately want this job,

707
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 2: or like this will never happen. Like it's just like

708
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 2: I've never had a moment of, you know, feeling that

709
00:40:54,800 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 2: like confident, and even especially with this show. So I

710
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 2: hadn't been on a you know, I hadn't been a

711
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 2: series regular since Pretty Little Liars, And a lot of

712
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 2: that was because my girls were so young and and

713
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 2: so it was really like, you know, for the past

714
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 2: let's see it were was six so for the past

715
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 2: six years or seven years, the counting of the year

716
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 2: that I was pregnant with her. You know, it was

717
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 2: like would I be in the right like literally, like

718
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 2: would I be not pregnant enough to shoot this in

719
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:38,399
Speaker 2: the window? Am I too pregnant? Am I breastfeeding? The

720
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:41,879
Speaker 2: other difficult thing is, you know, our home base being

721
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 2: LA I really did not consider taking work outside.

722
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 1: Of LA and that's really hard.

723
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,720
Speaker 2: And as you know, from where the industry is right now,

724
00:41:54,800 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 2: not a lot shoots in Los Angeles. And so it

725
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 2: was you know, like I hate to talk about like

726
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 2: gender dynamics, but it was so much easier I think

727
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:10,919
Speaker 2: for the place that Patrick was in in his career too.

728
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 2: He did a lot of like limited series. Yeah, and

729
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 2: so even when it was a limited series away in Scotland,

730
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 2: it was like, oh, you're going away to Scotland for

731
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 2: this said amount of time, Like that makes sense. The

732
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:27,439
Speaker 2: things that I was being offered to audition for were

733
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 2: not limited they were longer series, and they meant completely

734
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 2: relocating our family. And that is just a really big

735
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,839
Speaker 2: decision to take on and there's this real big toss

736
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 2: up of things where it's like you don't even have

737
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 2: the job and you have to consider this, yeah, you

738
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 2: know what I mean. Like I kind of for a

739
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 2: while did that thing where I was just like, just

740
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 2: pursue a job, just any job, and it ended up

741
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 2: almost making us move to Albuquerque, and which was like

742
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 2: the was awesome, but then like I was getting down

743
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 2: the line and I was going to do a studio

744
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 2: test and I was like, oh my god, what am

745
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 2: I Like, we are not prepared to if this goes

746
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:14,839
Speaker 2: my way to do this, And so after you know,

747
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 2: pulling out, you're you don't want to like waste people's

748
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 2: time and you don't want to you know, tell people

749
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 2: you want to do something when ultimately you can't. So

750
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 2: so when on Call came around, it was truly like

751
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 2: one of the first auditions that I had where it

752
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 2: was like, oh wow, this is going to be shooting

753
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 2: in and around the Los Angeles area.

754
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: Absolutely dream come true.

755
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 2: A total dream. But then at the same time I

756
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 2: read the script and I was like, I'm never going

757
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 2: to get this role, like never, I had never played

758
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 2: a cop. I just was like, you know, she was

759
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 2: like I'd never played my age. That was the other

760
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 2: thing is like she's in her early forties and I

761
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,879
Speaker 2: had never even played somebody who was in her late thirties. Yeah,

762
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 2: so I was just like, they're not looking for me.

763
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 2: And even when Patrick and I made the tape for

764
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 2: the audition, I was like, what do I do? Like

765
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 2: do you have any notes? And he was like, you're

766
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,240
Speaker 2: not going to get this job, so like just do whatever,

767
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 2: like like it was so like we but we both

768
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 2: It wasn't like a knock. It was just like, you know,

769
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 2: this is never going to go my way, And then

770
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 2: when it did, it was this like absolute shock and

771
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 2: this amazing thing because I thought the writing was just

772
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 2: awesome and I was so scared obviously going to set

773
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 2: every single day just being like when are they going

774
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 2: to look up at the monitor and realize they've made

775
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 2: a horrible mistake, you know, like I just had imposters.

776
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:41,879
Speaker 2: Oh you're so good at it, thank you. But I do,

777
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 2: and I bet I'll have imposter syndrome if we get

778
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 2: a season two, Like I just you know, I don't

779
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 2: know when I'll be comfortable with this character. But but

780
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:53,760
Speaker 2: it is funny because I've I've had that question recently

781
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 2: where people are like, what about this job made you

782
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 2: say like, that's you know, yours, And I was like, true,

783
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 2: really it was. It was Sarah Isaacson, the casting director,

784
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,359
Speaker 2: it was you know, Elliott Wolf and Tim Walsh, and

785
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 2: it was you know, oh my god, I mean it

786
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:12,359
Speaker 2: was Dick.

787
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 1: Wolf is just like an absolute icon. I loved I

788
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 1: loved working for that man, and Tim is such a

789
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 1: good writer, and so to see that you guys were

790
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 1: all doing this together, just like, I was so tickled

791
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 1: when I read about it.

792
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, it's going to be

793
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 2: so good, and it is.

794
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: I just I really enjoy the pacing of the show

795
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 1: and the edge of it, and it just feels so

796
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 1: gritty and honest. You guys have done such a such

797
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:44,320
Speaker 1: a phenomenal.

798
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 2: Job with it. Thank you. Yeah, I feel extremely lucky

799
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 2: to be a part of this show and this crew.

800
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 2: And also, like you said this, I think this is

801
00:45:56,280 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 2: a real like kind of shift for Wolf Productions, you know,

802
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:08,839
Speaker 2: Wolf Entertainment, because especially because it's for Amazon, like, we're

803
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 2: able to do things that I think, you know, so

804
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 2: many other shows have probably wanted to do, but we

805
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 2: get to occupy a different footprint, and I know, you know,

806
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 2: I know for me like being in the PLL that

807
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 2: was on free Form and then seeing the Pretty Little

808
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 2: Liars that was on HBO Max, Like you really see

809
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 2: when you like walk so somebody else can run, you

810
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 2: know what I mean, that kind of thing. And so

811
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 2: I feel extremely grateful because I understand that I'm standing

812
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 2: on the shoulders of Dutch a legacy with Wolf Entertainment

813
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 2: and so many amazing shows that have just like I mean,

814
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 2: they're just juggernauts. So it's like to be the new

815
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 2: little kid on the street. It's like kicking rocks and

816
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:04,240
Speaker 2: trying to make some noise. I feel very, very fortunate.

817
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 2: It's so great.

818
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 1: And now a word from our wonderful sponsors.

819
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, what are you up to these days other than

820
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:26,280
Speaker 2: hosting an amazing podcast. I mean, this is.

821
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 1: Like such a wonderful constant that's so fun. It's really

822
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 1: wild because this this is the first, well, I guess

823
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 1: technically the second. Now, like twenty twenty four, coming into

824
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,760
Speaker 1: that year was the first year I was not attached

825
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 1: to a TV show in my entire career, like in

826
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 1: development on something or you know, a pod deal somewhere

827
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 1: or whatever. And I really wanted to take a breath

828
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 1: and just see, like, wait a second, what do I

829
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 1: really want to do next? So I went and made

830
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 1: this great movie last year that is an adaptation of

831
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 1: a thriller from a big best selling book in the

832
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 1: UK that was so much fun.

833
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 2: When will that be coming out?

834
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,959
Speaker 1: I don't even know yet. We're just doing key art now,

835
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:17,320
Speaker 1: and everyone always asks me these questions that I realized

836
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 1: I should know the answers.

837
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:19,879
Speaker 2: To, and I'm like, I don't know what you don't

838
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:23,399
Speaker 2: because nobody ever tells you. I ever think, Well, that's

839
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 2: the thing.

840
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 1: Our job, our world is so weird. I don't get

841
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 1: attached to the details because I've realized that the more

842
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 1: attached to details you are, the more anxious you'll be

843
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: as a human.

844
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm kind of like, hey, I don't know.

845
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 1: And then there was another film we were supposed to

846
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:42,280
Speaker 1: shoot in New York and then we lost our location,

847
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 1: which was an absolute nightmare for us. Real estate moves

848
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 1: in New York can really up independent film. So now

849
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 1: we're trying to figure out, like how we put it

850
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 1: back together, and we will. But it was supposed to

851
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 1: be a twenty twenty four and now it looks like

852
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 1: it'll be a twenty twenty five, and it's just it's like, yeah,

853
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's wild. I feel I definitely needed

854
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:10,240
Speaker 1: a beat because doing network TV for fifteen straight years

855
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 1: just exhausted me. But I now I'm like, oh, I'm

856
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 1: starting to get the itch, like I'm ready to be

857
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 1: back at work in that consistent way. Because while I

858
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:26,280
Speaker 1: love making films, the for me at least as an actor,

859
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 1: and I wonder if you feel this, like the ability

860
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 1: to spend day in, day out with someone and really

861
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 1: build a life. That's the thing I love the most.

862
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:39,839
Speaker 1: I mean, movies are a dream, but it's like summer camp.

863
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 1: It goes by so fast, and I really love I

864
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 1: love the development we get to have in TV.

865
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 2: It is a real like yeah, it's really really just

866
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 2: such a different experience. And like you said, when you're

867
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 2: doing especially network network seasons, you know, you have ten

868
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 2: months of being day and day out with this character

869
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:06,360
Speaker 2: and with this crew, and it's you know, really awesome.

870
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 2: I'll be very excited because our order, initial order was

871
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 2: like just eight half hour episodes, so it was supposed

872
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 2: to be three and a half months. And then with

873
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 2: the strike, and with the holidays and then the wow,

874
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 2: how long it took to come out? It was actually

875
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 2: two years. Yes, it's like I'm very excited to hopefully

876
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 2: get back to some sort of like regularity.

877
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: I totally know how that feels. We went through the

878
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 1: same thing. The last show that I did we only

879
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:36,839
Speaker 1: did one season of, but was the show called Good

880
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 1: Sam and I signed onto it at the top of

881
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, and it was and I started reading scripts

882
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen. So it was really like a three

883
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 1: year process because of the pandemic and lockdowns and all

884
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 1: the things. For us to make a season of television.

885
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:59,280
Speaker 1: It was so surreal, and so it is really weird

886
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 1: when you've when in the before times a year was

887
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 1: a year, but in the like times of pandemics and

888
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 1: strikes and things like a year takes three years. It's

889
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:14,320
Speaker 1: so insane, it is it is really wild.

890
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 2: And I think I was just listening to something else

891
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:22,399
Speaker 2: that was one Oh my god. But Francis Ford Coppola, right,

892
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 2: he made The Godfather part He made The Godfather and

893
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 2: the Conversation and like the same calendar year and maybe

894
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 2: it was maybe it was Godfather Part two and the conversation.

895
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 2: So he was up for both Academy Awards in the

896
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 2: same year for those films. I think I'm saying that right,

897
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 2: but like that kind of like that kind of timeline

898
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 2: just does not exist. It doesn't exist, said you know,

899
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 2: especially now that you're in producing as well. You're signing

900
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:54,839
Speaker 2: on to something and then it's getting development, and then

901
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 2: it's finally going, and then wild things that you can't

902
00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 2: control are happening, and then all of a sudden, it's five, seven,

903
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 2: eight years down the line. And that's why you said

904
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 2: you can't get caught up in the details, because you're like,

905
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:08,799
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know.

906
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm not even going to stress about it.

907
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 2: I don't know.

908
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 1: And I've learned that for people who don't work in

909
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:18,359
Speaker 1: the circus, that's very hard, like friends, family, loved ones

910
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 1: that are like, how do you not have more details?

911
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 1: Or they'll be like, what do you mean? We had

912
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:25,840
Speaker 1: one conversation about this and now the whole thing is happening,

913
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I don't know. We made a plan

914
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:31,799
Speaker 1: and so it's the plan, right, Like yeah, and I

915
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 1: realized not everybody's nuts like us, but here we are.

916
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:39,720
Speaker 2: But here, we are, here, we are Oh my gosh,

917
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 2: it's wild.

918
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I know you're waiting to find out

919
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 1: if you get another order. I certainly hope you do

920
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 1: because I'm loving the show. What was it like to

921
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 1: prepare for it? Because you said you know you had

922
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 1: imposter syndrome. I guess that's just something we all have forever.

923
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 1: But how did you did you wrap your head around it?

924
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 1: Because I know what a preparer you are. You are

925
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 1: such an organized professional person, so I would imagine you

926
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 1: did a lot of prep ahead of shooting. What did

927
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 1: that look like for you?

928
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:18,360
Speaker 2: Well, it was interesting because when they told me I

929
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:22,919
Speaker 2: got the job, we were actually starting to shoot. I'm

930
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 2: not kidding it a week and a half later.

931
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

932
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 2: So it was. We were incredibly fortunate in that we

933
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 2: got to uh work. Did you work with Luch? Yeah? Yeah,

934
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 2: So Luch was so great. He came out, he worked

935
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 2: with us for I think we got like two and

936
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 2: a half days of just dollid training with him, and

937
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 2: that was amazing. And then you know, they were kind

938
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 2: enough to set us up with some ride alongs in

939
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 2: Long Beach so that we could meet some people from

940
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:02,880
Speaker 2: West Division and also just get out in the community

941
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:06,840
Speaker 2: and start to learn Long Beach as you know, a community.

942
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 2: And then we were in it, and we were fortunate

943
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 2: to have really wonderful texts on set with us because

944
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 2: it was so not natural. And it was really frightening

945
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 2: for me because I was supposed to be playing a

946
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:26,279
Speaker 2: twelve year you know, veteran member of the Force. So

947
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:30,319
Speaker 2: I was like, this shit needs to look intrinsic, like

948
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 2: it needs to just be absolutely not thought about. And meanwhile,

949
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 2: like I might have learned, you know, five minutes before

950
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 2: the take that they were like, oh no, no, no,

951
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 2: you're not you know, bringing your baton with this one.

952
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 2: And You're like, do you just throw the car in

953
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 2: gear and this is what you're doing. And I was

954
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:50,439
Speaker 2: just like, uh huh okay. And so we did that

955
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 2: and we were kind of moving along, kind of finding

956
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:55,320
Speaker 2: our pace. And then when we went down for the strike,

957
00:54:56,360 --> 00:55:01,280
Speaker 2: as you know, a lot of shows did not come back. Yeah,

958
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:03,839
Speaker 2: and it was six months of waiting to find out

959
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 2: is stressful. It was so stressful and and so I

960
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 2: did I, you know, I would go to the scripts

961
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:15,400
Speaker 2: because we were about a little bit less than halfway

962
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 2: through shooting the season and I would sit down with

963
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:20,760
Speaker 2: it on the strike and say like, I have this time,

964
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 2: why don't I work on it? And I would find

965
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 2: that it was just like sometimes supremely painful. I was like,

966
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 2: what if what if I don't get to go back

967
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 2: on this, you know, And so yeah, I kind of

968
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 2: would like throw them, you know, in my book bag

969
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:38,239
Speaker 2: and like shove it under my desk. And then of

970
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 2: course when they were like okay, great, like around they

971
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:43,759
Speaker 2: were like see you after Thanksgiving, I was like, oh bother, like,

972
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:48,360
Speaker 2: oh my god. And so it was great to be

973
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 2: back on set, but it also felt like getting up

974
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 2: and running again and remembering how your legs work and

975
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 2: remembering how to approach you know, leave the car and

976
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:04,240
Speaker 2: what the protocol was so it you know, the most

977
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:09,719
Speaker 2: I could do was really deeply just get involved in

978
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 2: the the emotional through line of the character. Yeah and

979
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 2: uh and really just like like like I said before,

980
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:21,280
Speaker 2: with directing, just like really lean on the tech advisors

981
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 2: just to be like I need you behind the camera

982
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 2: and I need you to tell me if my right

983
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 2: shoulders up or if I look tense, or if something

984
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 2: it looks out of place, and just trusting them to

985
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:36,359
Speaker 2: make sure that I was being honest and yeah, that

986
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:38,880
Speaker 2: was That was mostly And then you know, there's a

987
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:41,879
Speaker 2: bunch of really great documentaries and honestly quite a bit

988
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 2: of footage online. So I did a lot of that,

989
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:46,799
Speaker 2: a lot of watching that.

990
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 1: That's awesome.

991
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 2: I'm so glad you got to work with Louch. He's

992
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:53,840
Speaker 2: the best, He's the best, the so lucky.

993
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:57,280
Speaker 1: Well, I know you're waiting to find out what happens

994
00:56:57,320 --> 00:57:03,920
Speaker 1: next the limbo of this crazy life. What feels like

995
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 1: and it doesn't have to be about work, by the way,

996
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:08,759
Speaker 1: it can be any any sort of facet of your

997
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 1: life right now. What feels like you're work in progress

998
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 1: at the moment?

999
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, gosh, so many things I feel. I mean,

1000
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 2: I guess that's what living is, which is so great. Right,

1001
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 2: It's like a constant work in progress. I feel like

1002
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 2: I'm you know, with regards to work, I'm a work

1003
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 2: in progress because I'm constantly figuring out how to navigate.

1004
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 2: You know, I've got a TV show that I'm going

1005
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 2: to be going out with that I've been working to

1006
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 2: create for a while, so like learning how to pitch

1007
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 2: and really, like you said, like you're doing produce, like

1008
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 2: that's a work in progress for me, a work in

1009
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 2: progress with my marriage right now, because Patrick's been like

1010
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 2: shooting on location for the entire year, So figuring out

1011
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 2: how to fit back, welcome him back in, you know,

1012
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:01,960
Speaker 2: and make sure that he he feels home again, like

1013
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 2: it's such a long time to be away from home.

1014
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 2: And then the girls are growing every day, so like

1015
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 2: mothering as a total work in progress, you know, and

1016
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 2: like figuring out how to relate to them and what

1017
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 2: they need and what they want and how they're changing

1018
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 2: and how I'm changing in response to them. And then

1019
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 2: you know, like like we talked about when we first

1020
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 2: got on, like the work in progress of how to

1021
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 2: be part of the larger community. And now that I

1022
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 2: just being so grateful that right now as the shows out,

1023
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 2: as I'm in this limbo waiting to find out I

1024
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 2: have some time, and so it's like, how can I

1025
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 2: be the most helpful? You know, who can I be

1026
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 2: checking in on? Who can I be reaching out to?

1027
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:52,000
Speaker 2: You know, how can I be talking to my kids?

1028
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 2: You know, like figuring out that what's the best way

1029
00:58:55,720 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 2: to to talk about it? And yeah, so so life,

1030
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 2: my life is the life is my work in progress.

1031
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:07,840
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, I feel it.