WEBVTT - Mother w/ Jon Abrahams 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:04.000 Of the law and order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.200 --> 0:00:06.800 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:07.640 vicious felonies. 0:00:07.680 --> 0:00:10.240 These episodes are based on. These are our stories. 0:00:10.600 --> 0:00:31.200 Done done, Hello, and welcome to That's Messed Up, an 0:00:31.280 --> 0:00:32.520 SVU podcast. 0:00:32.680 --> 0:00:35.200 I'm Kara Klink and I'm Liza Traeger. Hello. 0:00:35.600 --> 0:00:38.000 Every week we talk about an episode of SVU, the 0:00:38.040 --> 0:00:39.879 true crime it's based on, and then we have a 0:00:39.920 --> 0:00:43.279 guest from the episode, and in the beginning we catch up. 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:46.480 We really haven't been in the same place in months. Yeah, 0:00:46.479 --> 0:00:47.760 and we are actually recording. 0:00:47.880 --> 0:00:49.680 We record a lot on zoom and today we are 0:00:49.680 --> 0:00:52.519 recording face to face baby, and it's good to see you. 0:00:52.720 --> 0:00:53.360 It's good to see you. 0:00:53.440 --> 0:00:56.160 Your fresh off today, your fresh off a trip. You're 0:00:56.160 --> 0:00:56.760 looking great. 0:00:56.960 --> 0:00:57.600 That's the whole thing. 0:00:57.720 --> 0:00:59.280 I thought I was going to come here and be like, 0:00:59.320 --> 0:01:02.920 holy shit, vacation, vacation, fun, Chicago, New York, my friends, 0:01:02.960 --> 0:01:05.720 everything was great. But then I got to la fully 0:01:05.720 --> 0:01:07.240 burst into tears in my apartment. 0:01:07.480 --> 0:01:08.720 I fucking hate it. 0:01:08.959 --> 0:01:12.399 And but then I was like, whatever, my air conditioners fixed. 0:01:12.720 --> 0:01:14.840 That's all I need. You baby, want it. 0:01:14.920 --> 0:01:16.760 I'm gonna hang some shit on the wall and I'm 0:01:16.760 --> 0:01:21.679 gonna feel good. And then there was construction in my building, buzzing, drilling, 0:01:22.360 --> 0:01:24.560 and no one warned me, and I just can't believe it. 0:01:24.600 --> 0:01:26.479 And it, truly, I was hanging on by a thread 0:01:26.520 --> 0:01:28.000 and now it's it's cut. 0:01:29.560 --> 0:01:32.080 But it's like you're on the calm down from a 0:01:32.160 --> 0:01:34.440 very fun vacation, right, is not a little bit what 0:01:34.480 --> 0:01:35.759 the sadness is about? 0:01:35.800 --> 0:01:36.080 Correct? 0:01:36.160 --> 0:01:36.319 Yeah? 0:01:36.319 --> 0:01:38.160 And then you have to catch up on everything. 0:01:38.680 --> 0:01:43.880 Yes, No, you're always trying to make me not hate 0:01:43.920 --> 0:01:46.200 it as much. And I know it's cliche a bitch 0:01:46.240 --> 0:01:47.680 about La, but maybe there's. 0:01:47.480 --> 0:01:48.200 A reason for that. 0:01:49.720 --> 0:01:52.040 I feel like you always say this, And then within 0:01:52.040 --> 0:01:53.960 a couple of weeks, you're at the store, you're bopping 0:01:54.000 --> 0:01:55.600 around town your love and life. 0:01:56.080 --> 0:01:58.760 Yeah, we'll see, we'll see, we'll see. 0:01:58.800 --> 0:02:02.680 Tune in next week when Rose, when Lisa's fully reporting. 0:02:02.240 --> 0:02:03.280 To us from her new apartment. 0:02:03.400 --> 0:02:05.480 But I didn't see Oscar and he's just a big 0:02:05.520 --> 0:02:07.360 ass baby and he's like grown. 0:02:07.480 --> 0:02:11.680 Yeah, and Rosie like heard Lisa was around the house 0:02:11.720 --> 0:02:14.160 and was like Lisa and like ran to her. 0:02:14.360 --> 0:02:17.000 So you had a little acting coach sashon. 0:02:17.080 --> 0:02:19.639 Yeah, Yeah, I was glad Ted got to lay eyes 0:02:19.680 --> 0:02:20.080 on Rosie. 0:02:20.080 --> 0:02:22.200 Maybe when she becomes a child actress, he can work 0:02:22.240 --> 0:02:23.920 with her. She would make tons of money. 0:02:23.919 --> 0:02:25.600 And I don't know why you don't push that further 0:02:25.840 --> 0:02:27.040 because I have to take her. 0:02:27.200 --> 0:02:29.480 Oh yeah, and I had to be around those moms. Yeah, 0:02:29.520 --> 0:02:31.600 that would that would be terrible. No, you have enough. 0:02:31.639 --> 0:02:31.679 No. 0:02:31.760 --> 0:02:33.480 I had kind of a dream week. It was like 0:02:33.639 --> 0:02:36.760 I went nightclubbing with the club owner. You know, I 0:02:36.800 --> 0:02:39.160 was like in a booth across from the DJ, jumping 0:02:39.200 --> 0:02:42.040 on a jumping up and down as like cold steam 0:02:42.080 --> 0:02:45.960 blue in my face. Yeah, like you know, bottles of champagne, 0:02:46.240 --> 0:02:47.760 like with fire out of it. 0:02:48.000 --> 0:02:48.240 Yeah. 0:02:48.280 --> 0:02:49.920 We had like a real like this week. 0:02:49.960 --> 0:02:52.119 Lisa called me and we had a real like two 0:02:52.200 --> 0:02:54.359 roads diverged in the wood and I took the road 0:02:54.400 --> 0:02:56.920 with two children, and like Lisa took the road with 0:02:57.200 --> 0:03:01.560 fucking partying and nightclubs and like she was just living 0:03:01.680 --> 0:03:03.360 like her best life. And I was like, cool, I'm 0:03:03.400 --> 0:03:04.720 potty training my two year old. 0:03:05.120 --> 0:03:05.720 Well good for. 0:03:05.720 --> 0:03:08.680 Her, but no, she's Scottie Pippen at the Soho House 0:03:08.720 --> 0:03:09.720 pool in Chicago. 0:03:09.880 --> 0:03:12.600 Can you get more like what a sighting for a 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:16.200 Chicago person went? To a Cubs game, second row behind 0:03:16.200 --> 0:03:17.880 the home team. Dugout amazing. 0:03:17.919 --> 0:03:19.840 It was just a little much, but at least I 0:03:19.840 --> 0:03:22.160 got stuck in a hurricane to humble me back down. Yeah, 0:03:22.360 --> 0:03:26.359 and after my birthday party, I was struggling, if that's 0:03:26.360 --> 0:03:26.839 what you say. 0:03:27.200 --> 0:03:30.240 I was in a dark room. Oh, it was tough. 0:03:30.480 --> 0:03:32.640 To Lisa and I had to get on a video 0:03:32.760 --> 0:03:34.400 call the day after her birthday, and I was like, 0:03:34.520 --> 0:03:36.360 note to us, we don't do any business the day 0:03:36.360 --> 0:03:39.920 after Lisa's birthday. Anyone's birthday, Yeah, anyone's birthday. You just 0:03:40.000 --> 0:03:41.800 like were in a Yeah. I didn't see your face. 0:03:41.840 --> 0:03:42.960 You were just in a dark road. 0:03:43.040 --> 0:03:44.520 But I set it up top. I go, I'm not 0:03:44.520 --> 0:03:46.000 getting on camera, And I think that's fine. 0:03:46.040 --> 0:03:48.320 What's the fuck is up with Google hangouts? You can't 0:03:48.360 --> 0:03:50.720 hide the camera and zoom you can at least hide it. 0:03:50.760 --> 0:03:52.800 You can't. I mean, I'm sure you can't. I was 0:03:52.880 --> 0:03:54.440 not in a place, but I. 0:03:54.400 --> 0:03:56.800 Was watching a lot of below deck. Yeah, you don't 0:03:56.800 --> 0:03:58.760 watch any of it. I want you to know my 0:03:58.800 --> 0:04:03.640 new mantra. So there's Hannah. She's a superstar and she's 0:04:03.680 --> 0:04:07.280 like the chief stewardess, Like she's the chief girl, And at. 0:04:07.240 --> 0:04:09.360 The end of one of this whole season, one of 0:04:09.360 --> 0:04:10.119 the girls. 0:04:09.800 --> 0:04:11.960 That worked under her was just like, I just want 0:04:12.000 --> 0:04:13.800 you to know you're the worst chief stew I've ever 0:04:13.840 --> 0:04:14.360 worked for. 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:15.560 I think you're terrible. 0:04:15.600 --> 0:04:17.800 Ball blah just kept going on and on and Hannah 0:04:17.880 --> 0:04:21.960 just went okay, and it drove Bugsy insane. 0:04:22.200 --> 0:04:25.080 And that is something I'm trying to take with me. 0:04:25.480 --> 0:04:29.080 It's like, that's literally the full premise of that sketch 0:04:29.120 --> 0:04:31.599 on SNL with Pete Davidson, Like people just say saything 0:04:31.680 --> 0:04:34.599 to him and he goes, okay, okay, you know have 0:04:34.680 --> 0:04:35.160 you seen that? 0:04:35.240 --> 0:04:38.240 No, but you watch every episode. I am a weirdly 0:04:38.400 --> 0:04:39.280 sn'll complete is. 0:04:39.360 --> 0:04:41.720 Oh I want everyone to know. So I ran into 0:04:41.760 --> 0:04:46.560 someone that worked at SNL and this is amazing. I said, 0:04:46.680 --> 0:04:48.880 I go, need, I have some professional things to bring 0:04:48.960 --> 0:04:50.520 up to you. And I could see the fear in 0:04:50.520 --> 0:04:52.480 her eyes, like she thought I was about to ask 0:04:52.520 --> 0:04:54.800 to write it, Like I could just tell she was nervous, 0:04:55.040 --> 0:04:56.800 and then she was relieved when I went, why is 0:04:56.920 --> 0:05:01.160 Marishko Hargatain not hosted the show? He's asses in the air, 0:05:01.279 --> 0:05:02.799 you know, like they're coming together. 0:05:02.839 --> 0:05:04.599 Why can't they do it? Together. What is going they're 0:05:04.640 --> 0:05:08.200 just having agent. They're on your network for decades. They're 0:05:08.200 --> 0:05:10.440 both funny. Yeah, they're both good. 0:05:10.440 --> 0:05:12.520 They're actor, they're gonna show up on time, they're gonna 0:05:12.560 --> 0:05:13.320 work with everyone. 0:05:13.640 --> 0:05:15.080 It's enby what is going on. 0:05:15.160 --> 0:05:17.480 And so she sent some texts and she said, if 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:20.080 it happens, that we'll get to go. But I'm just saying, like, 0:05:20.400 --> 0:05:22.200 if it happens, I would like to take full credit. 0:05:22.400 --> 0:05:26.320 I mean literally, there should be press around you watch 0:05:26.360 --> 0:05:30.120 she's just like making sandwiches there. Yeah, She's like, sure, 0:05:30.160 --> 0:05:30.920 I'll text somebody. 0:05:31.120 --> 0:05:31.200 No. 0:05:31.279 --> 0:05:34.680 I can't understand how SNL's always after like the new 0:05:34.760 --> 0:05:36.800 hot shit and maybe they're a little old, but it's like, 0:05:36.880 --> 0:05:39.080 bring on Benson and stable and then make the guest 0:05:39.240 --> 0:05:42.120 be like fucking little nase X for somebody that's really hot, 0:05:42.160 --> 0:05:44.320 Like make the musical guest somebody really young and hot. 0:05:44.560 --> 0:05:47.360 I love Little nas X's pregnant Bellay, I know much. 0:05:47.400 --> 0:05:48.800 It's so funny. I do too. 0:05:49.320 --> 0:05:52.799 It's so I just love how hard he trolls on people, 0:05:53.040 --> 0:05:53.680 like he's so. 0:05:53.760 --> 0:05:54.440 Good at it. 0:05:55.160 --> 0:05:57.919 She's like, he knew this would drive the conservative's fucking 0:05:58.080 --> 0:06:00.880 nuts to see a gay black man with the pregnant belly. 0:06:01.000 --> 0:06:03.919 It's like bingo for fuck faces. But it's just so 0:06:04.200 --> 0:06:07.360 silly that it's like, how do you even be mad 0:06:07.400 --> 0:06:10.279 at that? I know she's not actual. What's going on? 0:06:10.360 --> 0:06:16.680 Why are you mad? Baby? It's so good? So thank 0:06:16.680 --> 0:06:19.159 you for posting. I did it. I saw everyone write 0:06:19.440 --> 0:06:22.000 nice things to me. Oh yeah Lisa's birthday post. 0:06:22.080 --> 0:06:24.360 You guys are the best listeners, and you all gave 0:06:24.400 --> 0:06:26.080 Lisa but some beautiful birthday love. 0:06:26.279 --> 0:06:28.919 But you had a great birthday, right? Oh yeah, it 0:06:29.080 --> 0:06:29.760 was awesome. 0:06:30.080 --> 0:06:33.839 I you know, I did live through the hurricane, but no, 0:06:33.920 --> 0:06:34.640 it was incredible. 0:06:34.720 --> 0:06:37.920 I felt really lucky for my friends, and I liked 0:06:37.920 --> 0:06:38.719 everyone around me. 0:06:38.720 --> 0:06:40.320 And then then, I mean I was way more hammered 0:06:40.360 --> 0:06:42.880 than I ever anticipated, because the next day they were like, 0:06:42.920 --> 0:06:45.640 we were all singing share. I didn't sing share. I 0:06:45.680 --> 0:06:47.200 was like, I only took a couple shots. She goes 0:06:47.200 --> 0:06:49.039 every time I saw you, you were taking a shot. 0:06:49.440 --> 0:06:52.159 So I was like, I left my phone in a cab. 0:06:52.320 --> 0:06:53.960 I offered them one hundred fifty. I got into a 0:06:53.960 --> 0:06:56.560 fight at the bodega. I was this guy was seizing. 0:06:56.600 --> 0:06:58.680 I was like, get your mask, how dare you? And 0:06:58.760 --> 0:07:04.880 he goes, you're not wearing a mask. As I just like, well, 0:07:04.880 --> 0:07:06.599 why are you cutting in line? And he went, don't 0:07:06.640 --> 0:07:10.720 talk to me like I was truly just out on 0:07:10.720 --> 0:07:11.040 the town. 0:07:11.080 --> 0:07:13.560 Sounds like you were at peak, Liza, and that's perfect 0:07:13.560 --> 0:07:14.200 for your birthday. 0:07:14.240 --> 0:07:15.240 And I did get dosed. 0:07:15.280 --> 0:07:17.800 I thought I was eating an edible and it was mushrooms. 0:07:17.800 --> 0:07:21.840 So I did have one night that was less than ideal. 0:07:21.960 --> 0:07:24.440 But Lady Gaga got you through it. 0:07:25.120 --> 0:07:30.240 Yeah, Well I had one night that was crazy. Yeah, 0:07:30.280 --> 0:07:32.400 I had one crazy night. I went to WIHO to 0:07:32.680 --> 0:07:36.040 West Hollywood everybody to see to watch the finale of 0:07:36.080 --> 0:07:38.040 All Stars six I happened. 0:07:38.320 --> 0:07:40.040 I called up some of my old drag Race friends. 0:07:40.240 --> 0:07:41.840 All we all wanted to see each other or whatever, 0:07:41.920 --> 0:07:43.679 so we and some of them still work on the show. 0:07:43.720 --> 0:07:46.640 So we all got together at Roccos, which is a 0:07:46.640 --> 0:07:49.440 bar that Lands Bass owns in West Hollywood. 0:07:49.560 --> 0:07:51.120 Okay, little vander Pump Junior. 0:07:51.480 --> 0:07:55.120 Yeah, And I turns out Eureka was hosting that night, 0:07:55.520 --> 0:07:56.560 so Eureka's there. 0:07:56.600 --> 0:07:58.360 I got to meet Eureka. I'd never met her before. 0:07:58.360 --> 0:07:58.960 She was so sweet. 0:07:58.960 --> 0:08:00.920 Actually I had met her one she was getting on 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:03.240 an airplane and they did not have her first class ticket, 0:08:03.240 --> 0:08:05.280 and she was just straw and she looked like she 0:08:05.320 --> 0:08:06.680 was just really going through it, and I went, I 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:08.280 just want to tell you, I think you're so talented, 0:08:08.280 --> 0:08:09.880 and she was like thanks Sis, and then that was 0:08:09.920 --> 0:08:11.960 it and like we just hadn't But so then I 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:16.840 really met her. The other night, I got irresponsibly drunk. 0:08:16.880 --> 0:08:18.840 For having two children, I don't know, maybe I should 0:08:18.840 --> 0:08:20.200 be able to get as drunk as I want, but I. 0:08:20.120 --> 0:08:22.160 Got really drunk. I met Manila. 0:08:23.000 --> 0:08:24.920 Oh my god, Manila was out of drag, and I 0:08:25.040 --> 0:08:26.880 just she was so cool and I was just like 0:08:27.320 --> 0:08:29.000 I was so drunk and I kept seeing being like, well, 0:08:29.040 --> 0:08:30.880 I just think you were robbed, and like she doesn't 0:08:30.880 --> 0:08:32.720 give a fuck about All Stars four. It was like 0:08:32.760 --> 0:08:33.560 four years ago. 0:08:33.640 --> 0:08:34.840 She's rich, who cares? 0:08:35.000 --> 0:08:37.559 And I just I really feel like I embarrassed myself. 0:08:37.559 --> 0:08:40.480 Pheromone was there. I forgot to say. Eureka walked in 0:08:40.520 --> 0:08:42.880 with Tori Spelling and Snookie on either side of her, 0:08:43.040 --> 0:08:46.160 Like what an entrance. But my friend Jed was with me, 0:08:46.360 --> 0:08:49.760 aka biggest gossip from Connecticut high school that Lisa has 0:08:49.840 --> 0:08:52.240 dubbed him, and he was like, I mean, I don't 0:08:52.240 --> 0:08:52.960 know why she brought them. 0:08:52.960 --> 0:08:54.760 It's not like gays care about them, Like. 0:08:54.679 --> 0:08:57.280 They don't know, they don't care about Snooki and Tory, 0:08:57.440 --> 0:08:59.880 but maybe they're real friends. But then the next day 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:02.080 one of our friends sent us a clip that was like, 0:09:03.600 --> 0:09:06.400 Tory Spelling looks fully like Chloe Kardashian. 0:09:06.440 --> 0:09:08.160 Now she's just had so much work done. 0:09:08.360 --> 0:09:10.160 Yeah, but it's weird because she looks like a better 0:09:10.240 --> 0:09:11.200 version of Chloe. 0:09:11.240 --> 0:09:12.920 It's like upsetting. Yeah. 0:09:12.960 --> 0:09:16.080 Also, I forgot we did intro, so maybe people already 0:09:16.120 --> 0:09:18.320 heard about Pippin and Cubs and if that's the case, 0:09:18.360 --> 0:09:18.960 to deal with it. 0:09:19.040 --> 0:09:20.760 No, no, no, I think it's okay because now you're 0:09:20.760 --> 0:09:21.200 in your set. 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:22.920 You did a little bit of Pippot and Cubs in nightclub, 0:09:22.960 --> 0:09:25.360 but you didn't do full New York, full birthday. 0:09:25.440 --> 0:09:28.280 You know, we're getting the whole, the whole trip. 0:09:28.559 --> 0:09:30.839 Yeah, if you want to fucking drool a little bit, 0:09:30.880 --> 0:09:33.040 go over to Lisa's Instagram and check out her NYC 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:35.840 food posts because that was some great photography. 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:40.440 Going out with a chef is nice. Yeah, Emmy's guy. Yeah. Wait, 0:09:40.480 --> 0:09:41.800 so let's talk about all stars. 0:09:41.880 --> 0:09:45.160 Also, Manila was in my favorite lip sync this season 0:09:45.200 --> 0:09:46.720 with Kylie's Sony Club for Journey. 0:09:47.440 --> 0:09:47.880 That was good. 0:09:47.920 --> 0:09:49.600 That's when I was like, oh, Kylie is my girl. 0:09:49.720 --> 0:09:51.920 Once she did a handstand into the splits, I was like. 0:09:51.960 --> 0:09:54.080 And when she in the in the it's another thing 0:09:54.120 --> 0:09:56.480 where it's like really, coming into the finale, anything can 0:09:56.520 --> 0:09:59.080 fucking happen. Everyone thought Shaye was gonna win season nine, 0:09:59.120 --> 0:10:02.200 and those fucking took it for Sasha, like, if you 0:10:02.320 --> 0:10:04.360 have a really good performance in the finelle, I think 0:10:04.360 --> 0:10:08.679 you can win. And Kylie slipping and doing that summersault, 0:10:08.760 --> 0:10:12.640 that's a professional amazing, that was a professional move. 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:13.360 That was yeah. 0:10:13.440 --> 0:10:13.600 Wait. 0:10:13.720 --> 0:10:16.079 So I went to my first in person, not driving 0:10:16.160 --> 0:10:17.160 drag show in Chicago. 0:10:17.320 --> 0:10:19.520 You went to drag brunch. I went to no food though, 0:10:19.720 --> 0:10:21.160 so I was funny. 0:10:21.160 --> 0:10:24.079 But you know, I'm sitting with my two girlfriends and 0:10:24.520 --> 0:10:27.840 you know in walks shake Coulee down the stairs and 0:10:27.880 --> 0:10:29.800 I go, hey girl, and I she gave me one 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:33.679 of the the nicest, deepest hugs I could have ever imagined. 0:10:34.200 --> 0:10:35.240 And then I did feel cool. 0:10:35.280 --> 0:10:37.200 I got to introduce my girlfriend you don't even tell 0:10:37.240 --> 0:10:38.360 me this to shakehul At. 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:41.440 I saw you in a photo with Shay's boyfriend. I 0:10:41.480 --> 0:10:43.360 was like, oh, she got another with Dan's boyfriend, who 0:10:43.440 --> 0:10:45.960 we love, big fan of the friend of the pod. 0:10:46.400 --> 0:10:48.400 But like, I didn't know you mentioned you saw sche 0:10:49.000 --> 0:10:49.400 well and. 0:10:49.360 --> 0:10:51.920 Then she was like, I'll be right back. She never 0:10:51.960 --> 0:10:57.560 came back, but Dan was like, she's not coming. But 0:10:58.120 --> 0:10:59.760 and then Dan goes and you know, there's no food. 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:02.880 So we're watching a drag show. I'm tipping tens twenty. 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:05.320 I'm like throwing money at these people. Oh they are 0:11:05.440 --> 0:11:10.640 so good, so talented. There was a white lotus lip 0:11:10.679 --> 0:11:14.400 syning no yes, and it was like the massage scene 0:11:14.600 --> 0:11:17.320 with Jennifer Coolidge, and it went into my neck, my backs, 0:11:17.440 --> 0:11:18.079 into tweets. 0:11:18.120 --> 0:11:20.800 Oh, white lotus to tweet. I couldn't believe it. 0:11:20.840 --> 0:11:22.920 And then one was doing one hundred percent Pure Love 0:11:22.920 --> 0:11:24.800 and these are yeah, Dan knew all of them. These 0:11:24.800 --> 0:11:27.880 are all his friends and one of the queens, they're 0:11:27.960 --> 0:11:29.719 like the walls are windows. 0:11:29.800 --> 0:11:31.560 So she runs out in the middle of the performance, 0:11:31.600 --> 0:11:32.360 runs into the middle of. 0:11:32.320 --> 0:11:35.520 The street with full feathers, like fun outfit, and is 0:11:35.600 --> 0:11:37.760 dancing in the middle of the street. And then I 0:11:37.800 --> 0:11:40.000 see my friend Catherine and I go, what, why is 0:11:40.080 --> 0:11:43.120 Catherine there? We text Catherine and she goes, I need 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:45.679 to eat. I fell down and then so we're trying 0:11:45.679 --> 0:11:48.880 to close out. We chased her. Both my friends, both 0:11:48.960 --> 0:11:52.400 Veronica and puking in the streets. I'm sober, I'm driving them. 0:11:52.400 --> 0:11:54.280 I drink as much as them, Like, I don't know 0:11:54.320 --> 0:11:56.200 what happened. Both of my friends. We went to Jetsya 0:11:56.280 --> 0:11:58.480 and then just puking all over the streets. I had 0:11:58.480 --> 0:12:01.120 to bring Veronica to my show like and try to 0:12:01.240 --> 0:12:01.560 chill her. 0:12:01.720 --> 0:12:06.000 But it was wild. It was wild, and then I 0:12:06.000 --> 0:12:08.600 had shows. I had two shows that night. I hope 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:10.120 you know that's amazing. 0:12:10.360 --> 0:12:12.840 Wait, speaking of White Lotus, we were so big into 0:12:12.880 --> 0:12:14.480 it when I was staying with my family on the 0:12:14.720 --> 0:12:17.160 East Coast that my brothers got Rosie to start saying, 0:12:17.240 --> 0:12:20.160 nehow Nicole Moss Boker and she says it like all 0:12:20.240 --> 0:12:20.679 the time. 0:12:20.800 --> 0:12:26.199 Now it's like so good. That is amazing. If you 0:12:26.240 --> 0:12:27.959 haven't watched White Lotus, check that show. 0:12:28.040 --> 0:12:30.959 Dan and I took shots of Mallure And also, I 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:33.680 love everyone's Chicago love in the comments. 0:12:33.840 --> 0:12:37.040 Yeah, everybody's like, fuck that Oklahoma bitch. You guys are 0:12:37.080 --> 0:12:37.800 real ones. 0:12:37.600 --> 0:12:38.200 And we love you. 0:12:40.120 --> 0:12:43.240 But it was amazing to see drag and I can't 0:12:43.240 --> 0:12:44.199 wait to see more. 0:12:44.280 --> 0:12:46.079 Well, now that you're here, maybe I'll take you to 0:12:46.120 --> 0:12:48.640 some drag in one of the greatest drag cities that 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:51.320 you currently live in, and you can stop hating. 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:55.800 It please, I want to. And it was just it 0:12:55.960 --> 0:12:59.080 was really great. It was really fun. 0:12:59.200 --> 0:13:02.000 Eureka was like, so she was kind of performing and 0:13:02.400 --> 0:13:05.120 but but it's just like watching the show in a 0:13:05.160 --> 0:13:07.480 bar is just so fun. Maybe they'll be maybe they'll 0:13:07.480 --> 0:13:09.280 be UK viewings for like the new season of UK 0:13:09.360 --> 0:13:11.880 and we'll go, oh, I would yeah, yeah, I. 0:13:11.840 --> 0:13:14.079 Heard there's Italian now too. I mean, they can't stop 0:13:14.240 --> 0:13:14.760 even for me. 0:13:14.840 --> 0:13:17.960 I'm like, I need a I don't watch Holland and 0:13:18.000 --> 0:13:19.560 I'm not gonna watch a Span yet, but I would 0:13:19.559 --> 0:13:21.360 watch Italia just because I love it Italy and I 0:13:21.400 --> 0:13:24.000 speak Italian and I would like it would kind of 0:13:24.080 --> 0:13:28.000 okay stable, I'm I'm that's messed up pods guy in Rome. Yeah, 0:13:28.000 --> 0:13:31.840 that's me call back to episode one of our podcasts. 0:13:32.040 --> 0:13:33.160 I can't believe people listen. 0:13:33.320 --> 0:13:35.440 Yeah, it was really fun meeting everyone out and about 0:13:35.480 --> 0:13:36.720 one of my favorite. 0:13:36.280 --> 0:13:38.880 Girls at the cellar, Sarah was like, you know, I 0:13:38.960 --> 0:13:40.680 listen and I go I didn't know I got it. 0:13:40.679 --> 0:13:43.000 I got a part time babysitter, got her turned onto it. 0:13:43.080 --> 0:13:46.000 She was sitting behind me watching my child and I 0:13:46.040 --> 0:13:47.280 and I heard her phone go off and it was 0:13:47.280 --> 0:13:49.079 a lot on Order s View's theme song. And I 0:13:49.120 --> 0:13:51.160 was like, excuse me, is that your phone? And she 0:13:51.360 --> 0:13:52.839 was like yeah, and I was like, I got to 0:13:52.840 --> 0:13:55.800 tell you about something. So I'm converting people by hiring 0:13:55.840 --> 0:13:56.760 them into my life. 0:13:56.920 --> 0:14:00.800 Oh and the last night of New York I love 0:14:00.880 --> 0:14:03.439 David Telly's my favorite comedian and he's going after me 0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:04.800 at the comedy He's so good. 0:14:05.240 --> 0:14:06.720 And I was there with this a few friends. 0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:09.600 We'd been drinking, but I was laughing harder than I've 0:14:09.600 --> 0:14:11.320 ever laughed in my life. And then he brought me 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:12.960 on stage with him. I got to sit on the 0:14:12.960 --> 0:14:15.720 piano bench and it was like old times and we're 0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:18.440 just like riffing back and forth and it was like 0:14:18.679 --> 0:14:19.720 I couldn't. 0:14:19.400 --> 0:14:21.560 No wonder you started crying when you got home. Oh 0:14:21.600 --> 0:14:22.200 my god. 0:14:23.000 --> 0:14:25.080 And one more quick thing before we go, just a 0:14:25.080 --> 0:14:27.480 reminder that Lisa and I will be doing stand up 0:14:27.520 --> 0:14:31.240 at the Moontower Comedy Festival the last weekend of September, 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:33.120 which is the twenty third through the twenty fifth, But 0:14:33.160 --> 0:14:35.200 on the twenty fifth, we will be doing a live 0:14:35.560 --> 0:14:38.760 That's Messed Up at six thirty pm at the Parker 0:14:38.840 --> 0:14:41.520 Jazz Club. If you have friends in Austin, if you 0:14:41.560 --> 0:14:43.480 live in Austin, please send them our way, Please send 0:14:43.520 --> 0:14:46.080 yourselves our way, Please come and see us, because we 0:14:46.120 --> 0:14:48.960 would love that. All right, let's move on. We've got 0:14:49.000 --> 0:14:52.080 a great episode for you today. Let's get Lisa's La 0:14:52.160 --> 0:14:59.720 groove back on. Let's get going. We're going to talk 0:14:59.720 --> 0:15:03.040 today about Mother season five, episode three. 0:15:03.280 --> 0:15:08.680 I've seen this one a million times and never gets old. 0:15:09.280 --> 0:15:13.680 So the episode starts with two dudes like walking in 0:15:13.720 --> 0:15:16.880 New York. One is like very scared of everything he's seeing. 0:15:16.960 --> 0:15:20.800 He's very like, he acts like he's just I don't know, 0:15:20.840 --> 0:15:23.120 he's so scared to be in New York. He references 0:15:23.160 --> 0:15:26.920 a paraplegic hooker. Not my words, but I don't know 0:15:26.960 --> 0:15:29.120 what's going on with these two guys. They go up 0:15:29.160 --> 0:15:30.120 to an unmarked door. 0:15:30.320 --> 0:15:32.280 Well, yeah, if you're so scared of New York, you 0:15:32.280 --> 0:15:34.680 don't have to be going to the unmarked doors in 0:15:34.720 --> 0:15:35.480 the middle of the night. 0:15:35.720 --> 0:15:36.360 Exactly. 0:15:36.760 --> 0:15:41.560 Go back to the Double Tree in Times Square, bitch, exactly. 0:15:41.640 --> 0:15:43.240 I was I was thinking the same thing. I was 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:45.880 kind of like you also, just like, don't need to 0:15:45.880 --> 0:15:47.800 come to New York if this is so hard for you. 0:15:48.280 --> 0:15:51.800 Yeah, you can just go eat ramen. There's other things 0:15:51.840 --> 0:15:54.600 to do. Yeah. Times Square is very there's an eminem. 0:15:54.240 --> 0:15:57.400 Ste So are you trying to find sex workers in 0:15:57.440 --> 0:15:58.280 the middle of the night. 0:15:58.360 --> 0:16:01.000 Yeah, it might be a sketchy area. Yeah. Well, I 0:16:01.000 --> 0:16:02.880 think we find out they're trying to do Heroin. 0:16:03.520 --> 0:16:05.680 I'll get into it, but I'm confused as to what 0:16:05.720 --> 0:16:07.960 this journey is for these two guys. They go up 0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:10.080 to an unmarked door and there's a guy guarding it, 0:16:10.160 --> 0:16:13.120 and the guy just says to him Enrique, and then 0:16:13.360 --> 0:16:16.120 he's like Ricardo down at the Java Barn and soho 0:16:16.160 --> 0:16:17.600 said you could hook us up. So I think what 0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:19.440 they're trying to do here is convey to us that 0:16:19.480 --> 0:16:21.840 these guys are total losers that are getting their hookups 0:16:21.840 --> 0:16:24.200 from like random baristas that they meet, Like they don't 0:16:24.760 --> 0:16:27.560 actually know anyone that can help them get what they need, 0:16:27.600 --> 0:16:29.440 so they just have to talk to whoever. 0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:31.880 They pay this guy at the door twenty. 0:16:31.560 --> 0:16:33.400 Bucks and the guy goes that was just a house 0:16:33.440 --> 0:16:35.920 fee because they thought twenty bucks was going to get them. 0:16:36.040 --> 0:16:38.800 I guess the drugs they're looking for. And they're like, 0:16:38.920 --> 0:16:41.360 he's like, Enrika is downstairs, third door on the left. 0:16:41.440 --> 0:16:43.160 They go looking for him and they're like, second door 0:16:43.200 --> 0:16:45.600 on the left. It's like you guys, and the one 0:16:45.600 --> 0:16:47.680 guy goes, just try not to pee my pants. It's like, 0:16:48.400 --> 0:16:50.920 act like you've been there before. You're being really embarrassing. 0:16:51.800 --> 0:16:53.120 I know it might be your first time in a 0:16:53.440 --> 0:16:56.640 heroin shooting house, but you need to just calm down. 0:16:57.080 --> 0:16:59.400 So they walk through all this nasty warehouse. There's all 0:16:59.400 --> 0:17:03.440 these drippings sounds, which is obviously I think what the 0:17:03.480 --> 0:17:06.240 folly artist does to make things seem creepy. 0:17:06.280 --> 0:17:07.760 It's just random dripping sounds. 0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:10.760 And then they go into a room looking for Enrique 0:17:10.840 --> 0:17:12.880 and they see a woman lying on the bed and 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:13.720 we can't. 0:17:13.520 --> 0:17:15.080 Really tell what's up, like she might be tied to 0:17:15.119 --> 0:17:15.520 the bed. 0:17:15.960 --> 0:17:17.920 And one of the dudes goes, we're still going to 0:17:18.000 --> 0:17:20.479 score flip you to see who does it first. So 0:17:20.520 --> 0:17:23.879 this guy is a piece of trash, and the scared 0:17:23.920 --> 0:17:27.840 boy at least has a conscience and goes, you, sick freak, 0:17:27.960 --> 0:17:31.560 she's unconscious, And that is a man who was raised correctly, 0:17:31.640 --> 0:17:33.399 even though he was raised to believe that everything in 0:17:33.400 --> 0:17:36.399 New York is very scary. He says something about not 0:17:36.440 --> 0:17:38.480 being able to get it up once the h hits, 0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:41.280 and that's what makes me think that they're obviously. 0:17:40.840 --> 0:17:41.960 On the hunt for heroin. 0:17:42.880 --> 0:17:45.800 And the other guy is just essentially about to rape 0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:50.320 this woman when two cops bust in and they hank 0:17:50.400 --> 0:17:52.040 up these guys, and then they try to wake up 0:17:52.080 --> 0:17:53.880 this woman and we can that's when we can see 0:17:53.920 --> 0:17:56.239 that her hands are duct taped, so her hands have 0:17:56.240 --> 0:17:57.680 been duct taped together, and she's. 0:17:57.520 --> 0:17:58.960 Just lying unconscious on this bed. 0:17:59.760 --> 0:18:01.880 So and the next scene, Benson and Stabler are there 0:18:01.920 --> 0:18:04.520 and the cop is walking them through what's up. He's 0:18:04.600 --> 0:18:07.000 just telling them like, she has no track marks, she 0:18:07.000 --> 0:18:08.920 took a nasty blow to the head, she has no idea. 0:18:09.000 --> 0:18:11.000 She's just not the typical person that you would find 0:18:11.119 --> 0:18:13.640 in one of these They keep calling it a shooting gallery, 0:18:14.080 --> 0:18:15.679 which I had never heard that term before, but I 0:18:15.680 --> 0:18:19.200 guess that's how you talk about a place where people 0:18:19.240 --> 0:18:22.920 do heroin. And then he says he found this guy 0:18:22.920 --> 0:18:24.920 with his pants down about to do her, and he goes, 0:18:25.000 --> 0:18:27.640 I was just trying to help her up classic Benson line, 0:18:27.680 --> 0:18:31.080 she goes with your penis and I just have always 0:18:31.119 --> 0:18:34.200 loved that line. And then they're wheeling the woman out. 0:18:34.240 --> 0:18:36.080 We don't know at this point whether she's dead or not. 0:18:36.160 --> 0:18:39.040 She's just been kind of lying on the she was 0:18:39.119 --> 0:18:39.719 lying on the thing. 0:18:39.840 --> 0:18:41.280 I thought maybe she was dead when we found her, 0:18:41.280 --> 0:18:42.520 but she just has a head injury. 0:18:42.560 --> 0:18:44.840 And as they get her into the light, Benson and 0:18:44.880 --> 0:18:48.600 Stabler actually recognize her as the expert witness from some 0:18:48.760 --> 0:18:52.520 big trial and her name is doctor Greta Hintz, and 0:18:53.320 --> 0:18:56.520 Stabler goes, she's the woman who thinks she can fix rapists, 0:18:56.840 --> 0:19:00.840 and then we're at the credits. That's a troublesome profession 0:19:00.920 --> 0:19:03.520 to think you can fix rapists, I guess. We find 0:19:03.520 --> 0:19:06.240 out that she is a top forensic psychiatrist who teaches 0:19:06.280 --> 0:19:09.480 at Hudson Medical School. She spends most of her time 0:19:09.520 --> 0:19:11.200 trying to cure sex offenders. 0:19:10.800 --> 0:19:11.960 And wrote a book about it. 0:19:12.720 --> 0:19:16.000 And these two guys that were wandering New York alternately 0:19:16.040 --> 0:19:19.879 scared and trying to write people were doing research for 0:19:19.920 --> 0:19:22.480 their art. They had mentioned a chapter or something, so 0:19:22.520 --> 0:19:23.440 I guess they're writers. 0:19:23.960 --> 0:19:24.920 Finna Munch bring in. 0:19:24.880 --> 0:19:26.919 The door guy and the two dorks who paid to 0:19:26.960 --> 0:19:30.920 get in, and he's like, I was just hanging out. 0:19:30.960 --> 0:19:34.040 I don't know shit, and they're like, that's probably not 0:19:34.160 --> 0:19:38.080 the case. You are a door guy at this shooting gallery. 0:19:38.119 --> 0:19:41.000 So they interrogate him and he's like, I knew those 0:19:41.000 --> 0:19:44.879 two cholos were bad luck. I thought that was confusing, 0:19:44.920 --> 0:19:47.920 because that's these men are not my definition of cholos. 0:19:49.000 --> 0:19:52.439 The door guy's name is Javier Francisco Medina, aka Badass. 0:19:53.080 --> 0:19:56.680 He has a long rap sheet and he tells them 0:19:56.680 --> 0:19:59.320 that this woman, doctor Heinz, came in thirty minutes before 0:19:59.359 --> 0:20:01.199 the raid and she's one of those do good her 0:20:01.320 --> 0:20:03.200 she's bad for business. He didn't want to let her in, 0:20:03.520 --> 0:20:05.520 but she said she had a patient inside who was 0:20:05.560 --> 0:20:08.680 in trouble and she gave him forty dollars. So then 0:20:08.840 --> 0:20:11.560 we find out doctor Heinz is awake and the last 0:20:11.560 --> 0:20:15.159 thing she remembers is leaving the Hamptons. She has no 0:20:15.200 --> 0:20:17.040 clue who did this, and she will not give them 0:20:17.040 --> 0:20:20.680 any of her client's names. She's very, very big on 0:20:20.800 --> 0:20:24.800 the therapists client privilege and will not tell them anyone 0:20:24.800 --> 0:20:26.840 who she even suspects would have done this. Even though 0:20:26.880 --> 0:20:29.119 you can I think as a therapist report someone that 0:20:29.160 --> 0:20:32.359 you think is has committed a crime or might commit 0:20:32.400 --> 0:20:35.399 another crime. So, and then Benson says to Stabler when 0:20:35.400 --> 0:20:37.280 they're talking about it, how would you feel if Kathy 0:20:37.359 --> 0:20:39.480 was treating sex offenders one on one? And he goes, 0:20:39.520 --> 0:20:43.240 I wouldn't letter, And Benson's like letter, and he's like, 0:20:43.240 --> 0:20:43.960 did I say that? 0:20:44.080 --> 0:20:44.600 Classic? 0:20:45.359 --> 0:20:48.719 Yeah, with every resewatch, it's confusing that anyone ever truly 0:20:48.840 --> 0:20:52.919 liked him. It's basically just his looks at this point 0:20:53.720 --> 0:20:54.760 that is keeping him. 0:20:56.000 --> 0:20:58.199 It actually got me googling Kathy. I was like, do 0:20:58.280 --> 0:20:59.760 she has she ever had a job. 0:20:59.680 --> 0:21:01.840 Or she's just been a stay at home I mean, 0:21:01.840 --> 0:21:04.160 he's really never let her do anything except have many 0:21:04.160 --> 0:21:07.199 many of his children. And all it really says in 0:21:07.240 --> 0:21:08.879 her thing about her is that she's a moment a 0:21:09.000 --> 0:21:11.880 very devout Catholic. But anyway, so they think they can 0:21:11.920 --> 0:21:15.480 work around the doctor's confidentiality issues by looking up like 0:21:15.720 --> 0:21:19.879 who was court appointed to see her? And Finn and 0:21:19.960 --> 0:21:23.080 Munch go check it out and says that there's like 0:21:23.119 --> 0:21:27.000 about two dozen of these patients that are seeing doctor Hinz. 0:21:27.240 --> 0:21:29.639 Bruce Horden was one guy who was seeing her and 0:21:29.640 --> 0:21:31.159 said he'd rip her guts out if he had to 0:21:31.160 --> 0:21:34.200 see her again. And then the guy says her method 0:21:34.240 --> 0:21:36.639 is a little unorthodox. So we're getting an idea that 0:21:36.640 --> 0:21:38.440 this is not just like a regular tell me how 0:21:38.440 --> 0:21:42.760 you feel therapist. So now we're at the fish market 0:21:42.760 --> 0:21:45.520 talking to this guy Bruce. He is pretty scary. He's 0:21:45.680 --> 0:21:49.040 very large, and he's like slapping a butcher knife down 0:21:49.040 --> 0:21:51.479 and chopping the heads off of fish the entire I 0:21:51.520 --> 0:21:51.920 love him. 0:21:51.960 --> 0:21:54.720 He's a top ten character, I would say of all history. 0:21:55.040 --> 0:21:55.359 He was. 0:21:55.480 --> 0:21:58.639 He is very nervous, so muscular, so wild, and I 0:21:58.640 --> 0:22:00.479 bet he has a voice of an angel like I 0:22:00.480 --> 0:22:02.119 bet he's a Broadway guy or something. 0:22:02.119 --> 0:22:03.440 Oh, we should look him up. 0:22:03.960 --> 0:22:05.960 I also looks up the door guy because I was 0:22:06.000 --> 0:22:06.800 obsessed with him. 0:22:06.840 --> 0:22:09.240 But he's not famous, even though he should be. 0:22:09.440 --> 0:22:11.040 He was funny, Yeah, I thought he was very good. 0:22:12.119 --> 0:22:15.760 We're talking to Bruce, and Bruce is like that bitch. 0:22:15.800 --> 0:22:18.520 Tried to emasculate me, told me to suck on my thumb, 0:22:18.560 --> 0:22:21.159 gave me stuffed animals, read me bedtime stories, had me 0:22:21.200 --> 0:22:24.560 call her mommy. And I feel like he could use 0:22:24.560 --> 0:22:26.800 a little childlike wonder in his life. But he was 0:22:26.840 --> 0:22:30.520 not interested in it, and her therapy backfired. He said 0:22:30.560 --> 0:22:32.320 her program made me want to go out and prove 0:22:32.359 --> 0:22:34.080 my manhood, if you know what I mean. 0:22:34.200 --> 0:22:35.240 So I don't know. 0:22:35.280 --> 0:22:38.880 He's a very scary character to me with his big 0:22:38.960 --> 0:22:43.040 threats of rape. But now we're talking to Huang. He 0:22:43.119 --> 0:22:45.520 says that doctor Heinz is a pioneer in the field. 0:22:45.880 --> 0:22:49.760 She believes all sex offenders were themselves abused, and Benson's like, yeah, duh, 0:22:49.960 --> 0:22:53.280 most were, and she thinks if they can be regressed 0:22:53.359 --> 0:22:56.160 back to the time of trauma, then she can reparent them. 0:22:56.520 --> 0:22:59.120 They call it healing their psychic booboos. I forget who 0:22:59.119 --> 0:23:03.840 says that month. Maybe it's cutting edge stuff, and the 0:23:03.920 --> 0:23:06.200 jury is still out on whether any of it works. 0:23:06.480 --> 0:23:08.879 And I have actually heard a lot of moms in 0:23:08.880 --> 0:23:12.879 my mom group refer to like reparenting themselves, like trying 0:23:12.920 --> 0:23:15.800 to break the bad patterns of their own childhoods. 0:23:15.880 --> 0:23:18.160 So I think this is like a thing that people. Definitely, 0:23:18.240 --> 0:23:18.840 I'm very. 0:23:18.720 --> 0:23:20.960 Conflicted about the mom groups because I did get this 0:23:21.119 --> 0:23:23.040 couch from one of the moms, but then they're also 0:23:23.119 --> 0:23:26.400 trying to close my dispensary, So I don't. 0:23:26.200 --> 0:23:27.520 Know how to feel about these moms. 0:23:27.600 --> 0:23:29.280 I know, but I have to tell you, I think 0:23:29.320 --> 0:23:31.760 that there's only a couple moms trying to close the dispensary, 0:23:31.840 --> 0:23:34.000 not that many people are joining in on the crusade. 0:23:34.160 --> 0:23:37.439 There is a flyer on our friend's doorstep to close it. 0:23:37.520 --> 0:23:39.760 Yeah, they're definitely vocal, but I just don't think they're 0:23:39.760 --> 0:23:40.600 getting a lot of help. 0:23:40.480 --> 0:23:43.119 From the other moms. A lot of us are not contributing. 0:23:43.480 --> 0:23:45.159 I'm just saying I hope it doesn't work because I 0:23:45.240 --> 0:23:47.119 like that dispensary also, But I've just heard of like 0:23:47.119 --> 0:23:49.880 this reparenting stuff like if you go back, like try 0:23:49.920 --> 0:23:52.800 to think about your own childhood and not repeat your 0:23:53.640 --> 0:23:55.840 same traumas, you won't pass them on and stuff like that. 0:23:55.880 --> 0:23:58.200 But I'm sure it's deeper than that, and as evidenced 0:23:58.200 --> 0:24:01.000 by this woman's therapy, that we'll find out moret And 0:24:01.080 --> 0:24:03.399 Craigan's like, you can't rehab these guys. They need to 0:24:03.440 --> 0:24:06.840 be locked up, and Benson says, well, you know, seven 0:24:06.880 --> 0:24:08.840 to out of ten of them will rape again. 0:24:08.640 --> 0:24:10.879 So at least she's trying something, you know. 0:24:11.840 --> 0:24:16.000 So Craigan suggests civil commitment, which is like Newshawn Williams, 0:24:16.040 --> 0:24:18.920 which we talked about a couple of episodes ago, and 0:24:19.440 --> 0:24:21.240 Munch is like, oh yeah, make them pay for their 0:24:21.240 --> 0:24:24.400 crime twice. That'll go over gangbusters at the ACLU. So 0:24:24.800 --> 0:24:27.840 Munch is on our side here about that. So Hoong 0:24:27.880 --> 0:24:30.320 tells them that doctor Heinz is actually on the Civil 0:24:30.359 --> 0:24:33.280 Commitment Review Board and that they just let out their 0:24:33.320 --> 0:24:37.439 first rapist, a guy named Benny Edgar Ralsay, believed to 0:24:37.600 --> 0:24:40.280 have raped thirty to forty victims. They only got him 0:24:40.320 --> 0:24:42.919 on seven or eight up in Albany, and he was 0:24:42.960 --> 0:24:43.359 known as the. 0:24:43.400 --> 0:24:44.440 Duct tape rapist. 0:24:44.520 --> 0:24:46.720 So that's why it's sort of important to remember that 0:24:46.800 --> 0:24:49.639 she was found with her hands duct taped together in 0:24:49.720 --> 0:24:55.160 this shooting gallery. So she claimed that Benny Edgar ral 0:24:55.240 --> 0:24:57.040 Say's treatment was a total success. 0:24:57.119 --> 0:25:00.280 So now Finn goes to visit Benny his. 0:25:00.280 --> 0:25:03.959 Job at an electronics store, and he's like, doctor Heinz 0:25:04.000 --> 0:25:05.080 completely rewired me. 0:25:05.160 --> 0:25:06.640 I don't even think that way anymore. 0:25:06.680 --> 0:25:08.560 He says he would never hurt her because she's the 0:25:08.560 --> 0:25:12.520 whole reason he's out. She's like a mother to me. Keyword. 0:25:13.320 --> 0:25:15.399 He was home alone that night, but he was also 0:25:15.480 --> 0:25:18.720 wearing an ankle monitor. So then they go talk to 0:25:18.760 --> 0:25:21.080 this guy and there's this whole thing about the ankle monitor, 0:25:21.080 --> 0:25:23.080 and like the guy just keeps saying too many times 0:25:23.119 --> 0:25:25.080 how perfect and fool proof it is. And whenever you're 0:25:25.119 --> 0:25:27.800 talking about that so much, it's like, clearly there's a problem. 0:25:27.800 --> 0:25:30.399 There's a hole in your logic because someone's going to 0:25:30.400 --> 0:25:32.479 figure out how to fuck with it. He has this 0:25:32.560 --> 0:25:35.640 GPS on him, and like they track him and they're like, see, 0:25:35.680 --> 0:25:37.119 right now, he's on his way home from work, and 0:25:37.160 --> 0:25:40.360 there's areas that are flagged red for areas of known 0:25:40.440 --> 0:25:42.920 sex work, and that's off limits to him because a 0:25:42.920 --> 0:25:45.399 lot of his victims were sex workers. And Stabler's like, 0:25:45.480 --> 0:25:48.359 he's getting awfully close to a ho zone right now. 0:25:48.840 --> 0:25:50.720 I don't know Stabler with the word play. 0:25:50.840 --> 0:25:55.080 No, I'm taking that for life, entering a bar and 0:25:55.119 --> 0:25:56.440 going we're in a hozone. 0:25:56.720 --> 0:25:59.160 That's that's great. 0:25:59.400 --> 0:26:01.479 So then okay, So then the guy who's explaining all 0:26:01.480 --> 0:26:03.480 this to them says, yeah, if he makes a wrong move, 0:26:03.520 --> 0:26:06.760 like he steps into a hoe zone, I'm notified immediately 0:26:06.760 --> 0:26:09.480 to my PDA, And I'm like, lol, very two thousand 0:26:09.480 --> 0:26:11.919 and three. And he just keeps saying how foolproof it is, 0:26:12.000 --> 0:26:14.040 so obviously Benson and Stabler are going to figure out 0:26:14.080 --> 0:26:17.400 how this guy is slipping the slip in the monitor. 0:26:17.880 --> 0:26:20.639 Benson and Stabler are staking out his place. They're chatting. 0:26:20.640 --> 0:26:22.480 They're talking about how they got the lugs from her 0:26:22.560 --> 0:26:26.720 phone and that she got a phone call from a payphone. 0:26:26.280 --> 0:26:28.160 Two stops away from Benny's place. 0:26:28.160 --> 0:26:31.399 So that's like pretty far to go two stops on 0:26:31.440 --> 0:26:33.520 a train to make a call at a payphone. But 0:26:33.560 --> 0:26:35.119 maybe it happened. But then, how did he beat the 0:26:35.119 --> 0:26:37.880 ankle monitor. Maybe he's because he works in an electronics store. 0:26:37.920 --> 0:26:40.080 He has some way of doing it. And then they 0:26:40.080 --> 0:26:42.040 think he's trying to climb out the window. They see 0:26:42.040 --> 0:26:45.919 some you know, they see some movement up by his window, 0:26:45.920 --> 0:26:48.360 and it turns out it's just his cat. And then 0:26:48.520 --> 0:26:51.239 they get an alarm about an unauthorized departure and they 0:26:51.240 --> 0:26:53.320 look up and realize the guy has put his ankle 0:26:53.359 --> 0:26:56.160 monitor around the cat's caller. I don't really know why 0:26:56.200 --> 0:26:57.840 it went off. He's not allowed to go out onto 0:26:57.840 --> 0:26:58.600 his fire escape. 0:26:58.640 --> 0:26:58.960 Maybe not. 0:26:59.160 --> 0:27:02.359 Yeah, yeah, So now it's not really foolproof when you 0:27:02.359 --> 0:27:03.920 can slip the damp thing off your ankle and put 0:27:03.920 --> 0:27:04.480 it on your cat. 0:27:04.560 --> 0:27:06.640 I guess a note to that other man. 0:27:06.800 --> 0:27:10.000 Has anyone ever been dazzled their ankle monitor? I would 0:27:10.080 --> 0:27:10.720 love to see that. 0:27:11.760 --> 0:27:14.320 The top article is about a woman being fined for 0:27:14.400 --> 0:27:16.600 having done so, so I don't think it's allowed. 0:27:16.920 --> 0:27:19.360 Oh but it's been done. You're not allowed to express 0:27:19.400 --> 0:27:20.880 yourself through your ankle monitor. 0:27:21.160 --> 0:27:26.159 Apparently not well boo. Now they're waiting on a warrant 0:27:26.200 --> 0:27:29.680 for Benny's place, and we found out he was fired 0:27:29.680 --> 0:27:32.800 from the electronic shop after they left because the coworkers 0:27:32.800 --> 0:27:34.359 all freaked out when they found out who he was. 0:27:35.119 --> 0:27:39.919 They're watching his mom's house and Cabot walks in with bangs, 0:27:40.400 --> 0:27:43.800 serious bangs and tells them not to hold their breath. 0:27:43.880 --> 0:27:45.480 She looked at the visitor logs from when he was 0:27:45.520 --> 0:27:47.600 in jail, and in eight years, no one visited him, 0:27:47.600 --> 0:27:50.480 including his mother, not a person, so that's sort of sad. 0:27:51.040 --> 0:27:52.120 He served his time. 0:27:52.160 --> 0:27:53.960 He's not on parole, and this is the first time 0:27:54.000 --> 0:27:56.920 a civil commitment has been released, so he's legally Joe 0:27:57.000 --> 0:27:59.480 citizen and the standards are higher, Like, it's not like 0:27:59.520 --> 0:28:00.439 he's on parole. 0:28:00.520 --> 0:28:01.160 Breaking parole. 0:28:01.240 --> 0:28:04.240 You can kind of get a warrant a lot easier, 0:28:04.880 --> 0:28:06.200 So she says she needs more. 0:28:07.000 --> 0:28:08.959 You need to go back and talk to the doctor. 0:28:09.040 --> 0:28:11.960 And then they get word, as they always do in SVU, 0:28:12.119 --> 0:28:14.159 at just at this exact moment, they get word that 0:28:14.200 --> 0:28:18.320 someone has vandalized doctor Heinz's office. So at her office, 0:28:18.760 --> 0:28:21.240 the place is totally torn up. Her session tapes have 0:28:21.320 --> 0:28:25.000 been for the week have been stolen, and she's defending Benny. 0:28:25.119 --> 0:28:27.199 She's like, he's my biggest success story. He has a 0:28:27.240 --> 0:28:29.760 new life, a healthy relationship, and a good job until 0:28:29.760 --> 0:28:33.680 you persecuted him, and she only they want to know 0:28:33.680 --> 0:28:35.800 about his girlfriend. They're like, oh, he has a relationship, 0:28:35.880 --> 0:28:37.680 like with who? And then she goes, I only know 0:28:37.720 --> 0:28:41.360 her name is Amy, and she'd been encouraging him to 0:28:41.400 --> 0:28:44.280 reconnect with his family. They talk to his brother. His 0:28:44.320 --> 0:28:47.400 brother is not down with the reconnection. He says, Benny 0:28:47.520 --> 0:28:49.720 is an embarrassment. I told him a couple of weeks 0:28:49.720 --> 0:28:52.360 ago to lose my number. I guess also because he 0:28:52.400 --> 0:28:54.840 has teenage daughters and he's worried about. 0:28:54.520 --> 0:28:55.720 Them around his brother. 0:28:55.800 --> 0:28:58.800 And then Benny said that he was dating a nice, 0:28:58.800 --> 0:29:00.480 wholesome girl, a livebrarian. 0:29:01.200 --> 0:29:04.280 So now we're at the library talking to Amy. 0:29:04.360 --> 0:29:07.440 I guess we just found we cross reference to all 0:29:07.480 --> 0:29:10.480 the librarians named Amy, and we found this girl at 0:29:10.520 --> 0:29:14.000 the library. She is like gushing about Benny, celebrating their 0:29:14.000 --> 0:29:15.120 one month and adversary. 0:29:15.240 --> 0:29:15.480 Soon. 0:29:15.560 --> 0:29:18.120 She seems like very giddy talking about him. She's in 0:29:18.160 --> 0:29:20.640 love and she says it's not his fault. Benny had 0:29:20.640 --> 0:29:23.200 an addiction and it's under control now. She's like, we 0:29:23.240 --> 0:29:24.800 have plenty of books about the subject. 0:29:24.920 --> 0:29:25.280 Oops. 0:29:25.360 --> 0:29:28.000 She thinks he's a gambling addict and not a full 0:29:28.160 --> 0:29:33.320 convicted rapist. I also feel like he's very young to 0:29:33.360 --> 0:29:35.680 be getting out of jail for being got on seven 0:29:35.720 --> 0:29:36.440 to eight rapes. 0:29:37.680 --> 0:29:40.600 Yeah, but according to all of our research, that seems 0:29:40.680 --> 0:29:44.000 truly perfect. I bet he was like under eighteen, raped 0:29:44.040 --> 0:29:46.080 everyone and then let him out at twenty. 0:29:45.840 --> 0:29:47.920 One, you know what I mean, Like, yeah, you're right, 0:29:48.400 --> 0:29:49.920 because like they I think they said he was in 0:29:49.960 --> 0:29:51.800 there for eight years, and I'm like, for seven to 0:29:51.840 --> 0:29:54.040 eight rapes, and when they thought that he was did 0:29:54.120 --> 0:29:55.960 thirty to forty and he had a literal nickname. 0:29:55.960 --> 0:29:57.240 I feel like, once you have a nickname, you're in 0:29:57.280 --> 0:29:58.440 jail for life. But maybe I'm wrong. 0:29:58.480 --> 0:30:01.160 The du no I bet, yeah, I bet you can 0:30:01.840 --> 0:30:03.640 steal a car and get more time that's true. 0:30:03.680 --> 0:30:06.040 You know, Paul Bernardo's always up for whatever, and he's 0:30:06.040 --> 0:30:10.800 a kenon barbie killer. So they basically tell Amy what 0:30:10.840 --> 0:30:14.560 his real crimes are and she breaks down and she says, 0:30:14.600 --> 0:30:17.040 he's at my apartment. Last night was the first time 0:30:17.080 --> 0:30:19.479 he ever spent the night, so that's why he slipped 0:30:19.480 --> 0:30:19.840 the ankle. 0:30:19.880 --> 0:30:20.280 Monitor. 0:30:20.840 --> 0:30:22.800 Not really sure why he would make that the first night. 0:30:22.840 --> 0:30:24.880 He does that after the cops have been sniffing around him, 0:30:24.880 --> 0:30:27.720 but you know, he made a choice. At Amy's place, Ben, 0:30:27.840 --> 0:30:30.120 he's like cooking her dinner and he's like, hey, babe, 0:30:30.160 --> 0:30:31.400 and the detectives arrive. 0:30:32.160 --> 0:30:35.120 He runs for it. Fin and Munch stop him. 0:30:35.480 --> 0:30:37.520 They went through his bags at Amy's place and they 0:30:37.560 --> 0:30:40.360 find that he took pictures of her sleeping. They found 0:30:40.360 --> 0:30:43.560 a glass cutter, a crowbar, duct tape, essentially a full 0:30:43.680 --> 0:30:47.040 rapist toolkit, and he admits that he does still think 0:30:47.040 --> 0:30:47.480 about it, and. 0:30:47.560 --> 0:30:50.719 That would be on fun shark tank product. A rapist 0:30:50.800 --> 0:30:52.760 tool kit gets you. 0:30:52.760 --> 0:30:56.920 Out of any jam or into any jam. He admits 0:30:56.920 --> 0:31:00.560 he still thinks about offending and it's a constant. But 0:31:00.640 --> 0:31:02.520 he said he didn't buy any of that stuff until 0:31:02.520 --> 0:31:03.800 the cops started hounding him. 0:31:04.560 --> 0:31:06.560 I don't know what that like, you get. 0:31:06.400 --> 0:31:08.560 So stressed out by the cops investigating you that you 0:31:08.600 --> 0:31:11.480 want to reoffend. But I guess maybe that's that's what 0:31:11.560 --> 0:31:16.320 happened in rooftop. So we'll see. He's still claiming he 0:31:16.400 --> 0:31:18.479 had nothing to do with what happened to doctor Heinz. 0:31:18.960 --> 0:31:20.920 And so now Benny is being sent. 0:31:20.720 --> 0:31:23.640 Back to a state hospital, like he's basically going to 0:31:23.680 --> 0:31:26.120 prison because none of the evidence of this break in 0:31:26.200 --> 0:31:27.960 ties him to it, but he is going back to, 0:31:28.120 --> 0:31:32.000 you know, being civilly committed. They find Prince at the 0:31:32.040 --> 0:31:36.720 scene of Robert Logan and so they go to pick 0:31:36.760 --> 0:31:38.680 him up, and there are cops and an ambulance there 0:31:38.680 --> 0:31:41.760 already because Robert has just attempted suicide. And he gets 0:31:41.800 --> 0:31:44.200 brought out on a stretcher and doctor Heinz is there 0:31:44.280 --> 0:31:44.640 with him. 0:31:45.480 --> 0:31:47.880 Yikes, okay. At the top of act. 0:31:47.680 --> 0:31:51.080 Three, doctor Heinz is like, I he was in crisis. 0:31:51.120 --> 0:31:54.160 I came to his apartment and they're like, what's why, 0:31:54.320 --> 0:31:56.440 what's what the house call? He's the one that attacked you, 0:31:56.520 --> 0:31:59.000 And she said, yeah, I suspected that, And Benson and 0:31:59.040 --> 0:32:02.040 Stabula are like, what is going on? She says he 0:32:02.160 --> 0:32:04.360 had anger issues with her. The last time they saw 0:32:04.360 --> 0:32:07.920 each other the previous Friday, she told him she needed 0:32:08.040 --> 0:32:10.800 to transition him to another therapist, and he became obsessed 0:32:10.800 --> 0:32:13.560 with her, and she suggested maybe he'd see a male therapist. 0:32:13.960 --> 0:32:17.640 Now Huang is talking to Robert, giving him the old 0:32:18.000 --> 0:32:21.160 Huang once over, and he's like, we're in love. 0:32:21.360 --> 0:32:23.520 She's leaving her husband for me. All we do is 0:32:23.560 --> 0:32:24.880 make love in our sessions. 0:32:25.280 --> 0:32:29.280 She initiated all of it and said he stole the 0:32:29.320 --> 0:32:31.600 session tapes so he could hear her voice and it 0:32:31.680 --> 0:32:33.800 hurts when I'm not with her. And they're like, okay, 0:32:33.840 --> 0:32:35.680 we'll where are the tapes And he's like, someone stole 0:32:35.720 --> 0:32:38.960 them from me, and they're like, we just got to 0:32:38.960 --> 0:32:41.200 get those tapes. They prove that she loves me. So 0:32:41.240 --> 0:32:44.080 now we're want we want to find these tapes. I'd 0:32:44.120 --> 0:32:47.280 like to add I do love this actor. He is 0:32:47.360 --> 0:32:48.440 one of my favorites. 0:32:48.800 --> 0:32:52.680 No, he's great scary movie prime I love it. 0:32:53.560 --> 0:32:56.920 Yeah and cool you enter SVU with a bloody neck 0:32:56.960 --> 0:32:57.680 on a stretcher. 0:32:58.040 --> 0:33:00.520 Oh yeah, way to make a splat. 0:33:01.840 --> 0:33:04.600 Okay, So he says someone stole the tapes and that 0:33:04.640 --> 0:33:06.880 if they find the tapes they'll prove that she loves him, 0:33:06.880 --> 0:33:09.240 Like on the tapes, there's all this stuff about her 0:33:09.280 --> 0:33:11.480 wanting him to get undressed so they can take a 0:33:11.520 --> 0:33:14.400 bath together to suck on her breasts, like all this stuff. 0:33:14.920 --> 0:33:17.719 Hang's like, what happened with the crack house? And He's like, 0:33:17.800 --> 0:33:20.360 I don't remember, I lose time, I have blackouts, I 0:33:20.480 --> 0:33:23.240 enter these fugue states, and the last thing I remember 0:33:23.400 --> 0:33:27.560 is Greta quote unquote breaking up with me. So that's 0:33:27.640 --> 0:33:30.440 kind of convenient that he has memory loss and doesn't 0:33:30.480 --> 0:33:34.200 know whether he did that or not. Doctor Heinz is 0:33:34.200 --> 0:33:37.960 saying it's common for patients to fantasize about their therapist. 0:33:38.080 --> 0:33:41.440 It's called transference. And Robert doesn't deny the attack, he 0:33:41.520 --> 0:33:43.440 just doesn't remember the details. He has a history of 0:33:43.480 --> 0:33:47.280 going into psychogenic fugue states, these disassociative episodes where he 0:33:47.360 --> 0:33:50.560 loses days, weeks, and has no memory of these chunks 0:33:50.600 --> 0:33:54.000 of time. Cabot's not buying the suicide attempt. Apparently he 0:33:54.080 --> 0:33:57.120 sliced the wrong way. Either he's trying to get back 0:33:57.120 --> 0:33:59.040 to the doctor or this is a setup for an 0:33:59.080 --> 0:34:02.600 insanity defense. The attorney is requesting a seven thirty exam 0:34:02.720 --> 0:34:05.440 we'll see if he's competent to stand trial. Wong doubts 0:34:05.480 --> 0:34:08.080 it that they've got to dig into his mental state 0:34:08.160 --> 0:34:10.600 leading up to the crime. Like it's fine if he's 0:34:10.600 --> 0:34:13.839 crazy now, but like you know, So it turns out 0:34:13.880 --> 0:34:15.680 Robert was a student at Hudson you Law School. 0:34:15.719 --> 0:34:17.000 He hasn't been to class in weeks. 0:34:17.040 --> 0:34:19.319 They're talking to again, one of these people that will 0:34:19.320 --> 0:34:21.560 not stop to talk to the cops. She's late, she's late. 0:34:21.600 --> 0:34:23.440 She's got to keep moving to talk to the cops. 0:34:24.040 --> 0:34:27.440 So he made law review and cracked under the pressure, 0:34:28.080 --> 0:34:32.240 and the day his article was due for the law review, 0:34:32.280 --> 0:34:34.279 he disappeared. And then he turned up a week later 0:34:34.360 --> 0:34:36.120 thinking that was the due date, and he freaked out 0:34:36.120 --> 0:34:37.800 when they told him he wasn't going to be published. 0:34:38.160 --> 0:34:40.360 So this woman was like, I actually tried to date Robert. 0:34:40.440 --> 0:34:43.040 He seemed like he needed me. He's an overachiever and 0:34:43.080 --> 0:34:46.680 he had no energy left for sex. He's impotent, okay, 0:34:46.719 --> 0:34:50.040 but like I mean, there's a lot of information about 0:34:50.040 --> 0:34:52.200 this man. She will not stop moving. She has to go. 0:34:52.640 --> 0:34:55.440 And then this girl says he told her she was 0:34:55.480 --> 0:34:58.640 dirty and he cut everyone off. So she thinks that 0:34:58.840 --> 0:35:02.759 the shrink made thing worse, and she's basically sprinting away 0:35:02.760 --> 0:35:05.799 from the detectives and not really quickly. Before she leaves, 0:35:05.800 --> 0:35:08.840 she mentions that he's very close with his sister named Christina. 0:35:09.520 --> 0:35:11.759 So now we're at a methadone clinic talking to his 0:35:11.840 --> 0:35:14.600 sister Christina, and she's telling them what a quack doctor 0:35:14.680 --> 0:35:15.279 heinz is. 0:35:15.480 --> 0:35:17.080 Where I have huge news here. 0:35:17.560 --> 0:35:21.640 Yeah, she is holding a meth addict and dragging him around. 0:35:21.840 --> 0:35:25.200 And that is Will Miles's brother. This is Will Miles's 0:35:25.239 --> 0:35:26.360 brother's episode. 0:35:26.760 --> 0:35:30.720 Yes, this is James Miles being dragged by the sister. 0:35:31.000 --> 0:35:31.719 Wow. 0:35:31.760 --> 0:35:35.239 Well he does a great job at appearing weightless. I mean, 0:35:34.880 --> 0:35:39.960 I mean he is a full dead body in her hands, essentially. 0:35:41.200 --> 0:35:43.800 Shout out James and Will Miles. 0:35:43.840 --> 0:35:45.800 Just so you guys know, is a very funny comedian 0:35:45.840 --> 0:35:48.000 and writer who is a mutual friend of ours. So 0:35:48.120 --> 0:35:52.560 that's his brother, and has a very cute daughter, yes, 0:35:52.760 --> 0:35:54.000 exceptionally cute. 0:35:54.320 --> 0:35:56.640 And he's seen me pee in public more than any 0:35:56.640 --> 0:35:58.120 other one of my friends. 0:35:59.040 --> 0:36:02.919 Oh interesting record holder, because I feel like, yeah, there's 0:36:02.920 --> 0:36:04.359 a lot of people in the running for that one. 0:36:04.680 --> 0:36:07.959 Oh yeah, no, there's been Like I've definitely pulled over 0:36:08.200 --> 0:36:10.360 while he's been in my car and had to just 0:36:10.480 --> 0:36:11.360 be in the streets. 0:36:12.480 --> 0:36:15.839 So that's another thing Will is very much known for. 0:36:16.440 --> 0:36:16.960 He's great. 0:36:17.360 --> 0:36:21.400 Okay, So Christina grabs James Miles, who is like, you know, 0:36:21.560 --> 0:36:24.520 high on meth, and starts dragging him through the hall 0:36:24.600 --> 0:36:26.839 as she continues talking to Benson and Stable or It's 0:36:26.840 --> 0:36:29.160 one of the wildest like walking talks I've ever seen. 0:36:29.239 --> 0:36:32.520 She's just fully carrying a grown man while she talks. 0:36:32.760 --> 0:36:35.960 She says that she reported doctor Hinz, but Robert said 0:36:35.960 --> 0:36:38.360 that he was helping her and so they dropped the 0:36:38.400 --> 0:36:40.520 case and like it was never investigated, like I think 0:36:40.560 --> 0:36:42.760 she wanted to investigate her from all practice or something. 0:36:43.640 --> 0:36:45.719 She says he couldn't have attacked the doctor because she 0:36:45.760 --> 0:36:47.680 had him admitted to the hospital for a twenty four 0:36:47.680 --> 0:36:50.680 hour hold because he was rambling like a three year 0:36:50.680 --> 0:36:52.919 old at the time of the attack, so she's giving 0:36:52.960 --> 0:36:56.080 him an alibi. Robert was agitated asking for doctor Hinz. 0:36:56.080 --> 0:36:59.280 They couldn't reach her, and he said he'd be fine 0:36:59.360 --> 0:37:01.719 with everything as soon as he saw her, but apparently he. 0:37:01.760 --> 0:37:05.920 Checked out after five hours. AMA against medical advice at the. 0:37:05.920 --> 0:37:09.000 Preescinct, Benson is stable are filling in Kragan and they're 0:37:09.000 --> 0:37:11.600 trying to figure out whether he lured her to this place, 0:37:11.640 --> 0:37:14.840 whether hours before the attack he was in his right mind, 0:37:15.120 --> 0:37:17.920 and then they hear who cares, and we spin around 0:37:17.960 --> 0:37:22.719 and we find Betina Amador civil actions Ada, And I 0:37:22.800 --> 0:37:25.000 just think that this name is funny because the guy 0:37:25.040 --> 0:37:28.480 that came and put electricity in my garage was named Amador, 0:37:28.520 --> 0:37:30.720 and Rosie's never forgotten him, and she constantly goes. 0:37:30.560 --> 0:37:32.799 Where's Amador? Did he bring his tools? Like she always 0:37:32.800 --> 0:37:33.440 asks about him. 0:37:33.440 --> 0:37:36.879 So anyway, Betina Amador looks like a Jersey shore girl 0:37:36.880 --> 0:37:38.600 who went to law school and was like, I can 0:37:38.640 --> 0:37:42.680 be a bit professionally. And she's really like sassy. So 0:37:43.080 --> 0:37:45.080 she says Logan won't go to trial. He's not fit 0:37:45.120 --> 0:37:47.600 to proceed. It doesn't matter how sane he was at 0:37:47.600 --> 0:37:49.879 the time of the attack. They're saying he's looney tunes now, 0:37:50.239 --> 0:37:53.040 and Benson is like he's faking it, and she's acting 0:37:53.080 --> 0:37:55.080 like really bored. She's like, I guess I'll try it, 0:37:55.200 --> 0:37:58.520 Like she's like, okay, I love calling people looney tunes. 0:38:00.040 --> 0:38:02.080 And I wonder if she thought she would come back 0:38:02.760 --> 0:38:06.080 like it is a wild she really goes for it. 0:38:06.440 --> 0:38:09.040 Yeah, I wonder if she was like, this is my moment. 0:38:09.320 --> 0:38:12.359 And then yeah, I looked her up too. I looked 0:38:12.360 --> 0:38:12.640 her up. 0:38:12.680 --> 0:38:14.560 She's I think, on Riverdale and a bunch of other 0:38:14.600 --> 0:38:17.120 things that I nothing I've really watched. But she works 0:38:17.160 --> 0:38:20.160 a lot, and then right before she walks out of 0:38:20.160 --> 0:38:23.080 the room, she goes, might want to spruce it up 0:38:23.080 --> 0:38:26.280 for court. She like fully reads the detectives for filth 0:38:26.400 --> 0:38:32.920 and it's pretty funny. In court, Betina is cross examining 0:38:33.080 --> 0:38:37.440 doctor Vodka, who is another psychiatrist who says Robert is 0:38:37.480 --> 0:38:40.720 delusional and highly agitated. He doesn't even understand the charges 0:38:40.760 --> 0:38:42.560 that are being brought against him, and Betina's like, he 0:38:42.600 --> 0:38:44.960 looks fine to me. And the doctors are like he's 0:38:44.960 --> 0:38:46.960 heavily medicated, and she's like, oh, he's high. 0:38:47.200 --> 0:38:49.480 Like she's very aggressive in the court. 0:38:49.520 --> 0:38:51.600 Well, everyone that thinks he's faking it, it's like, no, 0:38:51.760 --> 0:38:54.759 he's clearly off his rocker, you know what I mean, Like, 0:38:54.840 --> 0:38:59.960 I don't understand the suspicions he we see him in 0:39:00.000 --> 0:39:03.680 and he's bleeding from his neck. You know, clearly something 0:39:03.760 --> 0:39:07.560 is not okay. You know, this therapist is asking him 0:39:07.560 --> 0:39:09.120 to suckle her breasts, like. 0:39:09.120 --> 0:39:09.920 Something is up. 0:39:09.960 --> 0:39:12.480 I don't know why they're all like this guy's not 0:39:12.760 --> 0:39:15.920 telling the truth. Like I've never seen a more compelling 0:39:16.880 --> 0:39:18.440 defendant on this show. 0:39:18.760 --> 0:39:21.520 Yeah, we've seen people fake it before, and it's not 0:39:21.600 --> 0:39:22.480 the same vibe. 0:39:22.560 --> 0:39:24.600 We've seen people faking being crazy on this show. 0:39:24.680 --> 0:39:29.120 And he fully thinks that they are in love and 0:39:29.160 --> 0:39:31.400 this is crazy and he doesn't know what's happening, Like, 0:39:31.480 --> 0:39:33.799 I don't know why everyone is suspicious of him. 0:39:34.160 --> 0:39:37.800 Yeah, and I would say losing time, like losing weeks 0:39:37.840 --> 0:39:41.760 before you go on you get your law review thing published, 0:39:41.800 --> 0:39:44.960 Like he's definitely there's a history here of you know, 0:39:45.520 --> 0:39:50.480 mental illness. So Robert is being represented by svu' staple 0:39:50.520 --> 0:39:55.759 Cleoconrad played by Jill Marie Lawrence, iconic defense attorney, and 0:39:55.800 --> 0:39:58.960 then doctor Heinz takes the stand and Bettina asks, are 0:39:58.960 --> 0:40:00.799 you in love with Robert Low? And she says no, 0:40:00.920 --> 0:40:03.120 and that's like really where you can tell? Robert is 0:40:03.520 --> 0:40:05.920 like he's so confused. He's like, what why are you 0:40:05.960 --> 0:40:07.480 saying that? Like he thought she would get on the 0:40:07.520 --> 0:40:10.000 stand and just clear this all up, proclaim her love for. 0:40:10.040 --> 0:40:11.319 Him, and it would all be good. 0:40:11.520 --> 0:40:13.920 And then he gets to do another amazing thing, the 0:40:14.000 --> 0:40:15.240 dream role on SVU. 0:40:15.480 --> 0:40:18.600 He gets to fucking flip out and the course yes completely. 0:40:19.320 --> 0:40:22.600 She says she's never engaged in sexual intercourse with him, 0:40:22.640 --> 0:40:25.399 and he's like, why are you lying? I think this 0:40:25.440 --> 0:40:28.640 is why in my mind I thought maybe she did. 0:40:28.440 --> 0:40:30.239 Have sex with him when I watched this episode in 0:40:30.239 --> 0:40:31.600 the past. I think I thought that she did have 0:40:31.640 --> 0:40:36.120 sex with him, but she didn't. He says, why are 0:40:36.120 --> 0:40:37.160 you lying? Why are you lying? 0:40:37.200 --> 0:40:40.040 And she's like, this is a fantasize relationship. It's projection 0:40:40.200 --> 0:40:43.720 based on transference. Like he's confused the pain and trauma 0:40:43.760 --> 0:40:47.200 of his past with their intimate corrective therapy, and this 0:40:47.320 --> 0:40:49.480 is just too much for Robert fully breaks down, like 0:40:49.520 --> 0:40:51.319 you said, gets up and it's like just tell them 0:40:51.400 --> 0:40:53.440 you love me, like over and over and over again. 0:40:53.760 --> 0:40:57.000 He has to be restrained by Benson and Stabler. So 0:40:57.040 --> 0:40:58.920 now obviously we're at the precinct, and of course a 0:40:59.000 --> 0:41:00.680 judge has deemed him on fit to proceed. 0:41:00.880 --> 0:41:01.839 So there we are with. 0:41:01.840 --> 0:41:05.160 That in walks his sister, being like he's unfit because 0:41:05.160 --> 0:41:08.000 of what this woman did to him. She then has 0:41:08.040 --> 0:41:10.279 a full boom box in her hand and plays them 0:41:10.320 --> 0:41:12.600 a tape of doctor Heins. There's a lot of it's 0:41:12.600 --> 0:41:14.680 two thousand and three, there's still a lot of cassette 0:41:14.680 --> 0:41:17.600 tapes being you know, bandied about in this episode. So 0:41:17.640 --> 0:41:20.920 she plays them a tape of doctor Hines sharing some 0:41:21.120 --> 0:41:24.000 sexy therapy time with Robert. She said she found the 0:41:24.040 --> 0:41:27.640 tapes in Robert's apartment and they're the ones he stole. 0:41:27.840 --> 0:41:30.440 So she found them when she went looking for evidence 0:41:30.440 --> 0:41:33.879 of how this woman was, you know, hurting her brother. 0:41:34.040 --> 0:41:36.560 So now the tapes are creepy. I mean, the tapes 0:41:36.600 --> 0:41:39.160 are creepy. The tapes are her being like, my favorite 0:41:39.200 --> 0:41:40.440 time of the day is when you get out of 0:41:40.480 --> 0:41:42.799 the bath and you're naked and all this stuff. So 0:41:42.920 --> 0:41:46.120 out of context, they do sound incriminating, like they could 0:41:46.160 --> 0:41:51.600 be incriminating, like she's doing something, you know, abusive. Benson 0:41:51.600 --> 0:41:53.960 and Stabler like go to question her. They're playing more 0:41:54.040 --> 0:41:56.799 sexy sound bites from the tape, and she's like, I'm 0:41:56.800 --> 0:41:58.919 a professional, this is my life work. I would never 0:41:58.960 --> 0:42:03.680 do anything inappropriate, And she doubles down on this, reparenting, Uh, yes, but. 0:42:03.719 --> 0:42:09.359 If someone's parents are terrible people, transference could not work, 0:42:09.400 --> 0:42:11.000 you know what I mean, Like you're taking them back 0:42:11.040 --> 0:42:12.840 to this horrific thing, Like what do you think is 0:42:12.840 --> 0:42:13.400 going to happen? 0:42:14.239 --> 0:42:16.839 Yeah, And I don't understand why you can't like reparent them, 0:42:16.920 --> 0:42:18.840 take them back to the time, and then just be 0:42:19.000 --> 0:42:21.160 like I love you, you're my son. 0:42:21.520 --> 0:42:23.200 Like why does it have to be bathtime? 0:42:24.040 --> 0:42:26.040 It could be playing in the sandbox, It could be 0:42:26.040 --> 0:42:27.480 being in a car, it could be going through the 0:42:27.560 --> 0:42:29.879 drive through, Like it makes no sense that it has 0:42:29.920 --> 0:42:33.359 to be a tub. It has to be breastfeeding, Like 0:42:33.400 --> 0:42:35.680 this bitch is twisted, you know what I mean, Like 0:42:36.239 --> 0:42:38.240 she could think she's doing something medically. 0:42:38.280 --> 0:42:41.640 But it's like you can take him back to the playground. 0:42:42.080 --> 0:42:43.319 He doesn't have to be. 0:42:43.360 --> 0:42:45.759 Like, yeah, I'm gonna take you back to when you 0:42:45.840 --> 0:42:47.840 pissed your pant, Like why. 0:42:49.000 --> 0:42:51.960 Why can't it just be a fond birthday party? I 0:42:51.960 --> 0:42:52.279 don't know. 0:42:52.280 --> 0:42:54.440 Maybe maybe he never had those. Maybe the theory is 0:42:54.480 --> 0:42:55.040 it has. 0:42:54.920 --> 0:42:57.480 To be like the worst worst times of your life. 0:42:57.600 --> 0:42:58.000 I don't know. 0:42:58.360 --> 0:43:02.200 I don't know, but he does later talk about some 0:43:02.320 --> 0:43:04.239 traumatic bath stuff, so maybe that's why. 0:43:04.320 --> 0:43:07.400 I really don't know, but it just seems dangerous. 0:43:07.640 --> 0:43:09.839 I'm going to hypnotize you and take you back to 0:43:09.880 --> 0:43:12.759 the most traumatic, awful moments of your childhood where you 0:43:12.800 --> 0:43:14.960 were not able to comprehend what was happening to you. 0:43:15.360 --> 0:43:17.279 I'm going to take you to this dark space and 0:43:17.280 --> 0:43:18.680 then you better behave after. 0:43:19.160 --> 0:43:20.280 It makes no sense. 0:43:20.719 --> 0:43:22.640 I think that's why people think that hypnosis is a 0:43:22.680 --> 0:43:26.760 little bit not reliable too, right, I don't know, because 0:43:26.760 --> 0:43:30.200 you can like event, you can like create memories and stuff. 0:43:30.200 --> 0:43:33.239 I think. But anyway, Taylor. 0:43:32.960 --> 0:43:34.880 Agrees with you. He does not get this. He's like, 0:43:34.920 --> 0:43:36.680 I have four kids, I would never talk to them 0:43:36.719 --> 0:43:39.680 like this. And she's like, I had to regress Robert 0:43:39.680 --> 0:43:41.680 to the point where he was traumatized and give him 0:43:41.680 --> 0:43:45.120 the love he never got. So she talked him through breastfeeding, 0:43:45.160 --> 0:43:46.799 but there was never any contact. 0:43:47.120 --> 0:43:48.560 Like, I don't know. 0:43:48.600 --> 0:43:51.840 I don't unders stand this because most kids don't remember breastfeeding, 0:43:51.880 --> 0:43:53.719 except for Kurt bronell Or, who talks about how he 0:43:53.719 --> 0:43:57.920 does remember being best breastfed and why was he old? Yeah, 0:43:57.960 --> 0:43:59.400 I think his mom did it for a while. He 0:43:59.440 --> 0:44:01.719 has a stand up joke about how he remembers doing it, 0:44:02.239 --> 0:44:05.680 and maybe that's not the best memory to have. 0:44:06.000 --> 0:44:08.200 I mean, he turned out fine, but there's got does 0:44:08.239 --> 0:44:12.080 he talk about any of his side effects. 0:44:12.280 --> 0:44:14.280 I don't know that. I just I don't know. Somebody 0:44:14.320 --> 0:44:15.880 just referenced the bit to me the other day. I 0:44:15.880 --> 0:44:16.920 actually haven't heard it. 0:44:17.320 --> 0:44:20.680 Yeah, we're all about accepting all different types of people 0:44:20.760 --> 0:44:21.800 and not mom shaming. 0:44:21.920 --> 0:44:24.520 But nah, that's disgusting. 0:44:25.520 --> 0:44:27.640 If you're someone that wants to breastfeet as your child 0:44:27.640 --> 0:44:29.200 has full blown memories. 0:44:28.840 --> 0:44:30.320 For life, you're a bad person. 0:44:32.920 --> 0:44:34.680 You know, I only made it seven months, so I'm 0:44:34.680 --> 0:44:38.120 not going to argue with you there. Huang says that 0:44:38.160 --> 0:44:40.759 maybe it's counter transference when a therapist develops feelings for 0:44:40.760 --> 0:44:42.200 a patient, but they just want to know did she 0:44:42.320 --> 0:44:45.200 actually have like intercourse with him, and there's no answers 0:44:45.239 --> 0:44:47.680 to that yet. Finn says, no one from the shooting 0:44:47.719 --> 0:44:49.480 gallery can I d Robert? 0:44:49.560 --> 0:44:52.200 No one puts him there. Bad Ass is in the wind. 0:44:52.440 --> 0:44:56.360 Our friend who was at the door named Badass, but 0:44:56.440 --> 0:44:59.759 Finn just tracked him down, and he says when they 0:44:59.800 --> 0:45:02.080 go to to him, he's like, I've seen him before 0:45:02.120 --> 0:45:05.600 passing out needles with this woman, his sister, And so 0:45:05.640 --> 0:45:07.680 it turns so he goes, she was at the shooting 0:45:07.719 --> 0:45:09.960 gallery that night and that I thought it was weird 0:45:10.000 --> 0:45:12.400 because she doesn't usually come by after dark, so now 0:45:12.800 --> 0:45:14.040 dun dundun a twist? 0:45:14.120 --> 0:45:15.239 Why was Christina there? 0:45:15.840 --> 0:45:17.680 We cut to a room at the precinct where Benson 0:45:17.719 --> 0:45:21.840 and Sabler are like double team interrogating Christina. They found 0:45:21.840 --> 0:45:24.600 her prints on the duct tape used to bind doctor Hinz, 0:45:24.680 --> 0:45:27.120 and she basically explains, I went crazy when I found 0:45:27.120 --> 0:45:29.600 the cassette tape. I had lured her to the heroin 0:45:29.680 --> 0:45:32.799 place because I wanted her to feel as low as 0:45:32.800 --> 0:45:34.279 my brother had felt. 0:45:34.280 --> 0:45:36.479 Like to feel like she had fallen so low. 0:45:38.000 --> 0:45:41.080 And then they're like, but she had trauma to her genitals, 0:45:41.120 --> 0:45:43.480 like you sectually assaulted her, and she's like, no, I 0:45:43.560 --> 0:45:45.319 just kicked her as hard as I could between her 0:45:45.360 --> 0:45:51.080 waring legs, so damn. Now, she says she's been watching 0:45:51.120 --> 0:45:53.160 after Robert since they were seven and their mom died 0:45:53.200 --> 0:45:53.640 of cancer. 0:45:53.719 --> 0:45:55.080 She'll go to jail protecting him. 0:45:55.080 --> 0:45:57.560 But if she's going down, doctor Heines is going down too, 0:45:57.880 --> 0:46:01.520 and she insists on pressing charges and Finn has a 0:46:01.520 --> 0:46:04.480 funny line where he says if she freudy and slipped 0:46:04.480 --> 0:46:06.480 it to him, she could do longer than her attacker. 0:46:06.960 --> 0:46:10.520 That's a funny way to talk about a a therapist 0:46:10.520 --> 0:46:12.360 having sex with a patient is getting it Fredi and 0:46:12.360 --> 0:46:14.480 slipped to you. Sorry, I mean it shouldn't happen, but 0:46:14.640 --> 0:46:17.719 it's a funny way to reference it, Olivia. 0:46:17.800 --> 0:46:19.200 They basically figure out that. 0:46:19.280 --> 0:46:22.120 Olivia says, because it's Christina's first offense, she'll do a 0:46:22.200 --> 0:46:24.120 year max. But if the doctor had sex with her 0:46:24.160 --> 0:46:26.360 patient and it's part of all this, she could do 0:46:26.440 --> 0:46:29.400 four years to go to jail for having sex with 0:46:29.440 --> 0:46:32.120 your patients. So why would she do time? Maybe for 0:46:32.200 --> 0:46:36.280 covering it up? Anyway, Robert could be screwed for life 0:46:36.320 --> 0:46:38.360 because he and he's the only one who's like a 0:46:38.400 --> 0:46:39.640 pure victim in this whole thing. 0:46:39.800 --> 0:46:41.000 Well, it's got to be a crime. 0:46:41.080 --> 0:46:43.200 It's not like the guy is on his she like 0:46:43.400 --> 0:46:46.120 does magic spells on him, takes him to being a child, 0:46:46.200 --> 0:46:47.040 and then fox him. 0:46:47.080 --> 0:46:49.440 That seems like a crime. Yeah what I man, Yes, no, 0:46:49.560 --> 0:46:50.839 you're right, that would be. 0:46:51.760 --> 0:46:54.600 I wonder how like they could prosecute that because he's 0:46:54.680 --> 0:46:55.480 like I love. 0:46:55.320 --> 0:46:56.719 Her, we're together, you know. 0:46:57.400 --> 0:46:59.520 Yeah, but you can't consent. It's like if a doctor 0:46:59.560 --> 0:47:03.759 fucks of patients. Right, wrong, Yes, no, of course it's wrong. 0:47:03.880 --> 0:47:04.240 Of course. 0:47:04.280 --> 0:47:06.960 I'm just wondering how it could be like prosecuted, but. 0:47:07.080 --> 0:47:10.359 Well, California, it is illegal. Sexual content of any kind 0:47:10.360 --> 0:47:12.560 between a therapist and a client is unethical and illegal 0:47:12.560 --> 0:47:13.560 in the state of California. 0:47:13.640 --> 0:47:13.759 Oh. 0:47:13.800 --> 0:47:15.640 Additionally, with regard. 0:47:15.320 --> 0:47:18.960 To former client, sexual contact within two years after termination 0:47:19.040 --> 0:47:21.200 of therapy is also illegal and unethical. 0:47:21.480 --> 0:47:24.920 Whoa good good, good research, Hannah. 0:47:25.000 --> 0:47:28.080 I literally just was like, I'm sure you would get disbarred, 0:47:28.160 --> 0:47:30.200 orse you lose your license or whatever. I just didn't 0:47:30.200 --> 0:47:33.400 know there was legal implications to it, because people probably 0:47:33.400 --> 0:47:36.160 have affairs with their therapists like all the time that 0:47:36.200 --> 0:47:36.640 are not this. 0:47:38.040 --> 0:47:40.480 Are you thinking of First Wives Club? I don't know, 0:47:40.560 --> 0:47:42.120 am I yeah, maybe Marcia? 0:47:42.800 --> 0:47:45.680 I mean okay, Like if somebody just like was attracted 0:47:45.680 --> 0:47:48.160 the therapist it had sex with them, is that a crime? 0:47:48.600 --> 0:47:50.200 Yeah, the therapist should not do that. 0:47:50.280 --> 0:47:52.680 It is right crime, right, Okay, if a student wants 0:47:52.719 --> 0:47:54.320 to fuck a teacher, it's still a crime. 0:47:54.520 --> 0:47:57.080 No, But a college student can fuck a professor, it's 0:47:57.080 --> 0:47:57.560 not a crime. 0:47:57.600 --> 0:47:58.560 They're adults. 0:47:58.920 --> 0:48:02.960 Okay, so you're therapist children, We got it. We'll put 0:48:02.960 --> 0:48:06.080 it on the merch Caro's child. 0:48:06.320 --> 0:48:09.120 I just listen. I am just asking. 0:48:09.320 --> 0:48:13.040 I don't think anyone should have any physical contact with 0:48:13.080 --> 0:48:13.880 their therapists. 0:48:13.920 --> 0:48:14.520 I promise. 0:48:15.480 --> 0:48:19.520 Anyway, let's move on from me being maybe into pedophilia. 0:48:19.600 --> 0:48:24.000 Okay, so it wasn't even pedophilia. 0:48:24.160 --> 0:48:24.799 I know you. 0:48:24.800 --> 0:48:27.440 You just you said that I was into be therapists 0:48:27.440 --> 0:48:28.560 having sex with children. 0:48:28.920 --> 0:48:32.600 Oh I did. Yes, Okay, wait, let's get back. I 0:48:32.600 --> 0:48:34.080 don't want to miss this because this is great. 0:48:34.800 --> 0:48:37.040 They're talking about how Robert is the only pure victim 0:48:37.080 --> 0:48:39.680 in all of this, and then Finn goes, that's messed up. 0:48:40.440 --> 0:48:41.120 We found it. 0:48:41.400 --> 0:48:44.720 We found it. I'd been looking everywhere for like specific places. 0:48:44.719 --> 0:48:46.239 I know he said it a few times, but this 0:48:46.280 --> 0:48:50.919 is one place where he says it. Meanwhile, Olivia looks 0:48:51.000 --> 0:48:52.880 up the whole history of the mom who died of 0:48:52.920 --> 0:48:56.200 cancer and turns out she died in a house fire. 0:48:56.320 --> 0:48:59.200 The fire was suspicious because lighter fluid was used as 0:48:59.200 --> 0:49:02.319 an accelerant, and now they're all thinking maybe Robert set 0:49:02.320 --> 0:49:05.160 the fire. So they go talk to doctor Hines. She 0:49:05.200 --> 0:49:09.160 has no clue about the fire, and they tell her 0:49:09.880 --> 0:49:13.080 that Christina was the one that attacked her, and she's like, 0:49:13.160 --> 0:49:15.440 someone has to see Robert immediately, someone has to talk 0:49:15.520 --> 0:49:16.000 him through this. 0:49:16.120 --> 0:49:17.680 His mother was a religious fanatic. 0:49:17.960 --> 0:49:19.399 She would pull him out of bed and make him 0:49:19.400 --> 0:49:22.440 pray for his sins, and so like he really needs to, 0:49:22.520 --> 0:49:25.000 like someone needs to go, like talk him down from this. 0:49:25.480 --> 0:49:26.640 So they send Huang. 0:49:26.760 --> 0:49:29.440 Huong's talking to Robert and he has like a full 0:49:30.760 --> 0:49:34.359 revelatory session with this man, like what sins did your 0:49:34.360 --> 0:49:36.399 mother think you had? And he said I was born 0:49:36.440 --> 0:49:38.799 a boy. Boys are dirty. She would wash him and 0:49:38.880 --> 0:49:41.440 hit him in his genitals. She would tie a string 0:49:41.560 --> 0:49:44.279 around his penis really tight so it would die and 0:49:44.320 --> 0:49:47.640 fall off, and basically Jess was like sex is evil, 0:49:47.680 --> 0:49:52.399 That's what makes men bad. And he's freaking out talking 0:49:52.440 --> 0:49:54.040 to Huong and he's like, I can't talk about it anymore. 0:49:54.200 --> 0:49:55.400 We can't talk about it, and Hung's like, we have 0:49:55.480 --> 0:49:57.080 to talk about the fire. It's a lot of good 0:49:57.080 --> 0:49:59.160 work from Huong here. He just keeps pushing through it. 0:50:00.000 --> 0:50:02.360 And he's like, I was outside when the fire happened. 0:50:02.400 --> 0:50:05.000 And he's like, well, who said it? And he's like, 0:50:05.040 --> 0:50:07.320 I promise I wouldn't tell, and it's who did you promise? 0:50:07.320 --> 0:50:10.520 And he's like Christina, So now we know Christina set 0:50:10.520 --> 0:50:10.879 the fire. 0:50:10.960 --> 0:50:11.440 His sister. 0:50:12.040 --> 0:50:14.000 She did something bad when she was younger, and she 0:50:14.040 --> 0:50:15.840 was sent away, but she came back that night to 0:50:15.920 --> 0:50:20.000 save him. That's what we're going into the final scene knowing. 0:50:20.520 --> 0:50:23.319 So now we're at Riker's and they confront Christina about 0:50:23.400 --> 0:50:25.640 killing her mom, and she's like, my mom threw me 0:50:25.680 --> 0:50:27.680 out when I was fourteen. She didn't approve of the 0:50:27.719 --> 0:50:30.360 guys I was seeing. I never talked to her after that. 0:50:31.080 --> 0:50:35.880 And then they're like, what happened. She's like, I got pregnant. 0:50:35.960 --> 0:50:38.040 My mother nearly beat me to death and left me 0:50:38.040 --> 0:50:41.239 with relatives in Minnesota. And they're like, oh, so you 0:50:41.320 --> 0:50:44.319 came back to save your brother from being abused, and 0:50:44.360 --> 0:50:46.080 she goes, she wasn't abusing my brother. 0:50:46.200 --> 0:50:49.280 She was abusing my son. Twist. 0:50:50.239 --> 0:50:52.440 She tore him out of her arms the day he 0:50:52.520 --> 0:50:55.680 was born, took him in as her own son, and 0:50:55.719 --> 0:50:58.640 then punished him for seven years for the sins that 0:50:58.719 --> 0:51:01.680 Christina had committed in her mind, and she just The 0:51:01.760 --> 0:51:04.480 episode ends with Christina going wouldn't you do the same 0:51:04.520 --> 0:51:05.399 thing for your son? 0:51:06.800 --> 0:51:07.960 Wow? Haunting? 0:51:08.560 --> 0:51:12.200 Yes, very hard, And the people said, don't watch SVU. 0:51:12.320 --> 0:51:14.960 I bet this was fun to hear this fun twist. 0:51:15.280 --> 0:51:17.840 Yeah, you know, it's like listening to a play on 0:51:17.880 --> 0:51:18.960 the radio or something. 0:51:19.080 --> 0:51:20.800 They don't they don't know what's happening. 0:51:21.080 --> 0:51:24.800 So to those who don't watch SVU at all, fun twist, 0:51:24.920 --> 0:51:27.319 huh makes you want to watch. 0:51:28.000 --> 0:51:29.240 Like our little radio play. 0:51:29.960 --> 0:51:32.200 No, but I am excited to hear you talk about 0:51:32.239 --> 0:51:34.759 the true crime because I don't really know anything about this. 0:51:45.880 --> 0:51:52.640 So the true crime is as elusive or something as 0:51:52.800 --> 0:51:56.480 the episode. We don't know what happens or why. It's 0:51:56.600 --> 0:52:00.440 just that he said, she said bonanza. So this is 0:52:00.480 --> 0:52:05.120 about a psychiatrist named Margaret Bean Bayogue. 0:52:06.239 --> 0:52:09.640 I don't know. That's a wild last name, and it's typhonated. 0:52:09.120 --> 0:52:11.880 And bioge reminds me of like the Korean meat, the 0:52:12.400 --> 0:52:15.759 bogogi or whatever. So she's just like, I don't I'm 0:52:15.760 --> 0:52:19.040 probably gonna call her beans or something throughout the episode. 0:52:19.320 --> 0:52:22.799 So Margaret Bean Baiogue is a Harvard psychiatrist and she 0:52:22.920 --> 0:52:25.719 was accused of sexually abusing one of her patients and 0:52:25.760 --> 0:52:32.320 contributing to his suicide. Yeah, it's sadder than the show. 0:52:33.080 --> 0:52:33.480 I don't know. 0:52:33.600 --> 0:52:35.960 Yeah, there was like fire and hitting of genitals in 0:52:36.000 --> 0:52:37.879 the show, so this could be neck and neck. 0:52:38.040 --> 0:52:41.759 We don't know. We'll do a poll after what's worse. 0:52:43.160 --> 0:52:46.200 So this case is about her therapy methods and that 0:52:46.840 --> 0:52:49.880 she maybe maybe not became sexually involved with her patient. 0:52:49.920 --> 0:52:53.040 Paul Lozano, who was a Harvard Medical School student. 0:52:54.239 --> 0:52:56.239 A little bit about Paul. He was the. 0:52:56.200 --> 0:52:58.920 Youngest of six kids. He was a high school honor 0:52:59.000 --> 0:53:00.560 student and cross count runner. 0:53:00.600 --> 0:53:01.800 He was like truly a genius. 0:53:01.840 --> 0:53:05.359 There was all this like information about him at three 0:53:05.440 --> 0:53:08.360 years old being able to spell, you know, like everyone 0:53:08.480 --> 0:53:11.640 was like, he's a shining star. I didn't put that 0:53:11.760 --> 0:53:13.880 in because I don't believe when parents think their kids 0:53:13.880 --> 0:53:16.840 can do things. But it was written that he was 0:53:16.880 --> 0:53:19.359 a super They knew he was a genius from age three. 0:53:20.000 --> 0:53:21.560 And then he did go to West Point and he 0:53:21.640 --> 0:53:23.840 hated it. Why would you want. 0:53:23.600 --> 0:53:23.920 To do that? 0:53:24.239 --> 0:53:26.680 My brother went there and did he hate it or 0:53:26.719 --> 0:53:28.479 love it? I don't think he. 0:53:28.440 --> 0:53:31.239 Loved it, But he went into the military. You know. 0:53:32.080 --> 0:53:34.239 Yeah, it's just like homeworks hard enough and now you're 0:53:34.280 --> 0:53:37.240 getting yelled at and having to do physical activity climb lips. 0:53:37.560 --> 0:53:40.080 No, it's like he had a girl, his wife was 0:53:40.120 --> 0:53:42.359 his girlfriend at the time, and like when she came 0:53:42.400 --> 0:53:43.759 to visit him, I don't even think she could go 0:53:43.840 --> 0:53:45.839 to his room, you know, like it's like, I don't 0:53:45.840 --> 0:53:47.239 think they really party or have fun. 0:53:47.840 --> 0:53:51.400 No, there is a Simpsons episode where Lisa and Bart 0:53:51.480 --> 0:53:55.000 go to a military school, and that's funny. It was 0:53:55.040 --> 0:53:57.200 a great episode and like a really it was a 0:53:57.200 --> 0:53:59.719 good one. I love when they become friends at the 0:53:59.800 --> 0:54:03.560 end and you learn about sibling love. But yeah, So 0:54:03.600 --> 0:54:05.440 he hated West Point and then he went to the 0:54:05.520 --> 0:54:07.759 University of Texas, al Paso, and then he went to 0:54:07.800 --> 0:54:11.960 Harvard where he was in a joint MD PhD program. 0:54:12.280 --> 0:54:16.360 Wow, I wonder if he knew Neil bar Okay. 0:54:16.960 --> 0:54:20.480 So then Paul started therapy with doctor ban Bayogue in 0:54:20.600 --> 0:54:24.360 nineteen eighty six. He was the son of Mexican immigrants, 0:54:24.400 --> 0:54:28.520 and he really became lonely and depressed on campus. You know, Harvard, 0:54:28.600 --> 0:54:32.080 pretty white, pretty not that so I'm sure it can 0:54:32.160 --> 0:54:36.360 feel isolating. So he sought help from this distinguished psychiatrist 0:54:36.440 --> 0:54:39.560 on the Harvard clinical staff, and he just had a 0:54:39.560 --> 0:54:43.520 downward spiral and was repeatedly hospitalized. So up until this 0:54:43.600 --> 0:54:47.600 therapist chilling, and then as soon as he starts working 0:54:47.640 --> 0:54:51.719 with her, it is like constant hospitalizations and problems. And 0:54:51.760 --> 0:54:55.239 then wildly she had a lot of sexual fantasies that 0:54:55.280 --> 0:54:58.399 were handwritten in thousands of pages of notes about him. 0:54:59.040 --> 0:55:02.560 There were tapes, books, gifts exchanged between them, and so 0:55:02.600 --> 0:55:08.840 there's like three thousand pages of handwritten sexual erotica and fantasies. 0:55:09.120 --> 0:55:12.640 With that, the therapist wrote, it's in her handwriting about Paul. 0:55:14.239 --> 0:55:18.239 They were very sato masochistic. And then she also gave 0:55:18.320 --> 0:55:21.560 him flash cards and the cards said really strange things 0:55:21.600 --> 0:55:23.160 on them, and she made him read them over and 0:55:23.200 --> 0:55:27.479 over again until he memorized them and began to believe them. 0:55:27.600 --> 0:55:29.759 So she was just like, memorize them by your heart 0:55:29.800 --> 0:55:33.680 and believe these things. And the cards said like I'm 0:55:33.719 --> 0:55:36.720 your mom, and I love you, you love me very very much, 0:55:38.640 --> 0:55:42.080 stuff like that. So a little bit of brainwashing mommy times. 0:55:42.880 --> 0:55:46.320 So she said that it is only an example of transference, 0:55:46.560 --> 0:55:50.680 which is an accepted technique and not creepy, and that 0:55:50.960 --> 0:55:53.960 it's like just an example of the type of therapy 0:55:54.080 --> 0:55:57.360 she does and transference. We talked about it in the 0:55:57.520 --> 0:56:00.319 episode It's where the patient asked to Madge in the 0:56:00.320 --> 0:56:04.000 therapist as the patient's mother, they take the kids back 0:56:04.000 --> 0:56:08.240 to find out the source of troubling emotions. So doctor 0:56:08.280 --> 0:56:13.000 ban Biogg believed that mister Lozano was sexually and physically 0:56:13.040 --> 0:56:17.600 abused as a child, but the family pediatrician, Thomas Walkins, 0:56:17.640 --> 0:56:20.280 said that he never saw any signs of child abuse 0:56:20.400 --> 0:56:24.520 or emotional problems in this child. And same with like 0:56:24.560 --> 0:56:28.040 all the scoop that he got from family, friends, everyone 0:56:28.080 --> 0:56:31.120 from his life before this doctor said that he was happy, friendly, 0:56:31.120 --> 0:56:34.640 and a well adjusted young man. So he was just 0:56:34.719 --> 0:56:37.440 probably sad because he was like, yeah, in an environment 0:56:37.480 --> 0:56:40.080 where he felt out of his depth and not wasn't 0:56:40.120 --> 0:56:41.120 necessarily like. 0:56:41.680 --> 0:56:42.640 That's what I'm thinking. 0:56:42.840 --> 0:56:47.600 Yeah, so even though everyone in his like pre college, 0:56:47.719 --> 0:56:50.840 pre grad school life is like he was great. She 0:56:50.960 --> 0:56:53.600 said that he tried to kill himself twice as a boy, 0:56:54.239 --> 0:56:58.440 but not one family friend or family member recalls anything 0:56:58.440 --> 0:57:02.200 of the sort. Weird And then okay, so some I'm 0:57:02.200 --> 0:57:04.319 going to preface it before I say anything. From the site, 0:57:04.360 --> 0:57:08.280 I got a bunch of information from Greensboro dot com. 0:57:08.719 --> 0:57:10.200 Is it real? Is it not? I don't know. 0:57:11.000 --> 0:57:13.920 It's just like a collection of articles from North Carolina. 0:57:14.160 --> 0:57:17.080 And I have no idea of the validity. 0:57:16.560 --> 0:57:17.560 Of this website. 0:57:17.760 --> 0:57:20.720 I wonder why they care about this case in Greensboro, 0:57:20.840 --> 0:57:21.560 North Carolina. 0:57:22.080 --> 0:57:25.040 Maybe because of this college, like maybe it had to 0:57:25.200 --> 0:57:28.200 maybe they have a psychiatry program. I have no idea, 0:57:28.440 --> 0:57:33.920 but it was one of the websites, and it says 0:57:34.160 --> 0:57:37.720 that there are discharge papers issued in the fall of 0:57:37.800 --> 0:57:41.720 nineteen eighty six after Lasano was treated as an impatient 0:57:41.960 --> 0:57:45.320 at a hospital in suburban Boston. So that's supports that 0:57:45.360 --> 0:57:48.320 their best point of view. So he was like at MacLean, 0:57:48.360 --> 0:57:51.240 which is a psychiatric teaching hospital that's part of Harvard, 0:57:51.640 --> 0:57:55.400 and so there were discharge papers that he did go 0:57:55.480 --> 0:57:58.600 and have problems, But I don't know, So. 0:58:00.160 --> 0:58:00.480 That's that. 0:58:01.360 --> 0:58:04.520 And obviously there's other professionals who think what she was 0:58:04.560 --> 0:58:06.600 doing is wrong and that her type of therapy is 0:58:06.640 --> 0:58:09.080 fucked up and not good. So this isn't like a 0:58:09.080 --> 0:58:12.280 fully accepted form of therapy, even though she says it is. 0:58:12.720 --> 0:58:16.520 And she does deny any sexual involvement with mister Losano. 0:58:17.280 --> 0:58:19.920 He says that she masturbated in front of him and 0:58:19.920 --> 0:58:20.640 slept with him. 0:58:22.160 --> 0:58:23.120 So I don't know. 0:58:24.360 --> 0:58:28.080 So he killed himself with a large overdose of cocaine 0:58:28.200 --> 0:58:31.200 in April of nineteen ninety one after she stopped treating 0:58:31.240 --> 0:58:34.200 him when he was twenty eight years old. His family 0:58:34.240 --> 0:58:37.200 found his body on April second, nineteen ninety one, and 0:58:37.280 --> 0:58:41.840 he showered and sprayed himself with Kevin Klein cologne. He 0:58:41.960 --> 0:58:45.000 was sitting at his desk with his medical books open, 0:58:45.520 --> 0:58:48.520 and he injected himself with a lethal dose of cocaine. 0:58:48.840 --> 0:58:50.440 Oh okay, so he injected it. 0:58:50.480 --> 0:58:52.320 Because when you first said cocaine, I was like, that's 0:58:52.360 --> 0:58:55.240 like a lot of cocaine to like snort to kill yourself. 0:58:55.280 --> 0:58:57.960 But wow, that's a neat yeah. And he obviously knew 0:58:57.960 --> 0:58:58.840 what he was doing. 0:58:59.040 --> 0:59:03.760 And he used an anaesthetic before injecting himself. And a 0:59:03.800 --> 0:59:07.880 Boston area social worker said, basically, this wasn't like a 0:59:08.000 --> 0:59:11.680 drug addict who went back to doing tons of drugs 0:59:11.760 --> 0:59:15.640 and then overdosed accidentally. This was someone that was injecting 0:59:15.720 --> 0:59:20.560 himself to die. So he was doing the cocaine just 0:59:20.600 --> 0:59:23.440 to kill himself. He was not a recreational drug user, 0:59:23.480 --> 0:59:26.200 and there's no way that this was some sort of accident. 0:59:26.360 --> 0:59:29.919 Because of his lifestyle, he chose this as the way 0:59:29.960 --> 0:59:30.800 to kill himself. 0:59:31.440 --> 0:59:32.760 So the therapist. 0:59:32.360 --> 0:59:35.400 Tried to say that he did do drugs and it 0:59:35.440 --> 0:59:37.560 wasn't a suicide, and all his friends were like, now 0:59:37.600 --> 0:59:42.600 you're a fucking liar. So there were journals found with him, 0:59:42.880 --> 0:59:46.400 like in his apartment that the therapists claimed were stolen 0:59:46.440 --> 0:59:50.040 from her office, and that they were private dream fantasies 0:59:50.040 --> 0:59:52.520 about Paul and not like a diary. It's not like 0:59:52.560 --> 0:59:54.840 a journal of what happened, but it was just sexual 0:59:54.920 --> 0:59:58.560 dreams and fantasy she was having about him, which doesn't 0:59:59.360 --> 1:00:00.400 seem good either. 1:00:00.800 --> 1:00:03.520 If you have that book, then you probably should be 1:00:03.560 --> 1:00:07.480 like recusing yourself, right, Like, if you're finding yourself doodling 1:00:07.480 --> 1:00:09.680 about fucking your patient, you should probably be like gotta go. 1:00:09.800 --> 1:00:11.720 Oh, But that's the thing she did, and then he 1:00:11.800 --> 1:00:16.400 killed himself, so it's just tough. But she felt like 1:00:16.440 --> 1:00:20.560 she was being scapegoaded. The case attracted a ton of 1:00:20.640 --> 1:00:24.800 national attention, and there's like a Division of Administrative Law 1:00:24.840 --> 1:00:30.040 Appeals and they're an independent state agency, and they went 1:00:30.080 --> 1:00:33.000 on record to say that they received so many requests 1:00:33.000 --> 1:00:35.800 for press credentials they had to move the hearings to 1:00:35.880 --> 1:00:39.720 a State House auditorium that had a six hundred seat capacity, 1:00:40.360 --> 1:00:44.440 so people really wanted to see what was happening. The 1:00:44.480 --> 1:00:47.400 Medical Board, in regards to the suicide say that her 1:00:47.440 --> 1:00:51.000 failure to conform to the standards of accepted medical practice 1:00:51.120 --> 1:00:55.000 caused harm. She offered to resign her medical license on 1:00:55.040 --> 1:00:58.680 September nineteenth, nineteen ninety two. She did this four days 1:00:58.720 --> 1:01:01.840 before the state Board of Registrations were meeting to present 1:01:01.920 --> 1:01:04.720 evidenced against her that could have led to the loss 1:01:04.720 --> 1:01:07.680 of her license, so she kind of like got out 1:01:07.680 --> 1:01:10.600 of there before she could have gotten kicked out. 1:01:11.320 --> 1:01:14.360 It's a very I quit, you can't find moment, beat 1:01:14.440 --> 1:01:15.200 him to the punch. 1:01:16.600 --> 1:01:19.600 She still believes that even though her methods were unorthodox, 1:01:19.640 --> 1:01:22.240 she really thought it would help him, and she was 1:01:22.400 --> 1:01:26.200 quoted saying this, which I think is weird. She said, 1:01:26.280 --> 1:01:28.640 I thought that it would keep him quiet and alive. 1:01:29.760 --> 1:01:32.840 But it's like, why do you need to keep someone quiet? Yeah, 1:01:32.920 --> 1:01:37.160 that's that's like a that's that's a very strange thing 1:01:37.280 --> 1:01:40.280 for someone that's like committed to your well being and 1:01:40.840 --> 1:01:43.720 thriving in life to say that my goal was to 1:01:43.800 --> 1:01:47.400 keep you quiet and alive like that. I don't That 1:01:48.040 --> 1:01:50.240 is a ding ding ding for me. That's a red flag. 1:01:51.240 --> 1:01:52.600 That's a weird thing to say. It could it have 1:01:52.640 --> 1:01:55.000 been taken out of context, shore, but your goal should 1:01:55.080 --> 1:01:59.360 never be to keep someone quiet, right, So Paul Azano's 1:01:59.360 --> 1:02:02.280 family file the lawsuit against the doctor, charging her with 1:02:02.320 --> 1:02:07.320 malpractice and wrongfull death. Andrew Meyer Junior is a Boston 1:02:07.360 --> 1:02:10.680 attorney who handled this lawsuit, and he said it ended 1:02:10.720 --> 1:02:14.920 in a one million dollars settlement, and Paul's sister confirmed 1:02:14.960 --> 1:02:17.080 that amount. So in the civil case, they got a 1:02:17.080 --> 1:02:21.040 million dollars. According to the Boston law firm, they put 1:02:21.040 --> 1:02:23.360 out a statement for their clients, but it seems like 1:02:23.480 --> 1:02:25.720 just press, so I don't know. I don't know, but 1:02:26.200 --> 1:02:29.000 the law firm said that the Lozano family felt like 1:02:29.200 --> 1:02:32.280 justice was served with her having to resign her license 1:02:32.360 --> 1:02:34.560 and the money settlement, even though there was never an 1:02:34.560 --> 1:02:37.520 admission of guilt. So hopefully that is true and the 1:02:37.560 --> 1:02:40.960 family does find peace in that, and hopefully it's not 1:02:41.080 --> 1:02:44.000 just this law firm trying to get quotes for their website. 1:02:45.040 --> 1:02:46.280 The only statement. 1:02:46.000 --> 1:02:49.760 She's ever made, but it was from Greensboro dot Com. 1:02:49.840 --> 1:02:51.960 I don't know. I just looked it up. 1:02:52.200 --> 1:02:55.760 Very real newspaper, very real for the area of Greensboro, 1:02:55.880 --> 1:02:58.920 North Carolina. It's not the Charlotte Observer is bigger for 1:02:59.040 --> 1:03:01.240 North Carolina, but it is a very legitimated paper. 1:03:01.440 --> 1:03:02.680 If she's from. 1:03:02.440 --> 1:03:04.919 There or he's from there or something like why would 1:03:04.920 --> 1:03:05.600 they give a shit? 1:03:05.800 --> 1:03:07.880 But anyway, go on, Well. 1:03:07.760 --> 1:03:10.080 I'm glad it's real, and maybe they need to invest 1:03:10.120 --> 1:03:14.920 in a new internet maker or website designer because the 1:03:15.000 --> 1:03:16.640 design is out of control. 1:03:17.280 --> 1:03:20.200 I kept trying to Google, like is this real? Is 1:03:20.240 --> 1:03:20.720 this new? 1:03:20.920 --> 1:03:24.400 Like like New York Times, that's a paper, you know, 1:03:24.880 --> 1:03:26.480 the whatever this is? 1:03:26.560 --> 1:03:28.600 Greensboro dot com means nothing. 1:03:28.400 --> 1:03:32.040 Put a paper, a ledger something at the edge of it. 1:03:32.120 --> 1:03:35.040 But I'm glad it's legit. So basically, she's only gone 1:03:35.040 --> 1:03:38.720 on record to have one statement about this case, and 1:03:38.800 --> 1:03:42.320 she said it is unfortunate and tragic that mister Losano 1:03:42.400 --> 1:03:49.280 took an accidental cocaine overdose. So what a bitch, you know, 1:03:50.040 --> 1:03:54.720 like everyone keeps saying, no, it's not accidental. He killed himself, 1:03:54.920 --> 1:03:57.480 and she just refuses. So that's the only statement that 1:03:57.520 --> 1:04:01.200 we have from her. She said that she was abandoned 1:04:01.440 --> 1:04:06.520 by her Harvard colleagues when the scandal broke, and it's like, yeah, duh. 1:04:06.640 --> 1:04:09.840 She said, I deserved a phone call, firing. That I 1:04:09.960 --> 1:04:12.880 was fired with a letter is rude. I deserve respect, 1:04:13.080 --> 1:04:17.240 Like she seems like a narcissist. This really isn't about you. 1:04:17.240 --> 1:04:19.880 You got fired. No one likes you because a person's 1:04:19.920 --> 1:04:22.240 dead and you're a fucking freak with sex journals and 1:04:22.320 --> 1:04:25.600 dreams about your client, like patient. I keep saying client, 1:04:25.640 --> 1:04:26.360 but it's patient. 1:04:26.520 --> 1:04:27.200 Yeah. 1:04:27.240 --> 1:04:31.080 She did keep seeing patients though, because of a loophole 1:04:31.160 --> 1:04:33.600 and state law, so she could coach. So that's the 1:04:33.640 --> 1:04:37.000 whole thing with like therapy and psychiatry and all this. 1:04:37.120 --> 1:04:40.200 It's like you can still go on coaching or counseling, 1:04:41.040 --> 1:04:44.880 or if you change your title from psychiatrists to psychotherapist, 1:04:45.160 --> 1:04:46.120 you can keep working. 1:04:46.840 --> 1:04:48.400 So she just can't. 1:04:48.200 --> 1:04:50.760 Prescribe medication, but she can still do all the same 1:04:50.880 --> 1:04:51.920 like stuff she was doing. 1:04:52.160 --> 1:04:54.640 Yeah, so it's like dangerous and people like this can 1:04:54.720 --> 1:04:57.560 keep on working because I mean, my therapist isn't like 1:04:57.600 --> 1:04:58.920 an MDPHD. 1:04:59.040 --> 1:05:03.200 Person is usually like an LCSW or something. 1:05:03.600 --> 1:05:05.600 Yeah, so you can go be a social worker case 1:05:05.640 --> 1:05:07.720 where like you can keep working with patients, which I 1:05:07.720 --> 1:05:11.760 think is pretty messed up. And then there's a psychologist 1:05:11.840 --> 1:05:14.400 named Kenneth Pope, and he wrote a book about therapist 1:05:14.480 --> 1:05:18.920 patient sex stuff, and he estimates that seven to twelve 1:05:18.920 --> 1:05:21.880 percent of male therapists have sex with their patients compared 1:05:21.920 --> 1:05:25.959 to two point five to three percent of female therapists, so. 1:05:25.880 --> 1:05:26.919 This was very rare. 1:05:27.000 --> 1:05:28.760 And she does go on to be like, if I 1:05:28.840 --> 1:05:30.560 was a man, then none of this would happen. 1:05:30.600 --> 1:05:33.920 This is sexism, So that's her. 1:05:34.840 --> 1:05:38.480 And these cases are extra hard on top of all 1:05:38.520 --> 1:05:42.320 the loss and gray matter at all, But these cases 1:05:42.320 --> 1:05:46.560 are extra hard because the defendants are like usually super educated, 1:05:47.240 --> 1:05:48.960 and the accusers usually have a. 1:05:48.960 --> 1:05:50.760 History of psychiatric problems. 1:05:51.120 --> 1:05:53.600 So it just goes to the biases of like that 1:05:53.680 --> 1:05:55.720 we have inside of ourselves, of who we trust and 1:05:55.760 --> 1:05:58.680 who's valuable and not. And so a lot of times 1:05:58.760 --> 1:06:02.680 these cases are hard to through and so that is 1:06:04.200 --> 1:06:05.880 what Mother is based on. 1:06:06.080 --> 1:06:09.880 Yeah, and these are people that can abuse the system 1:06:09.920 --> 1:06:11.520 if they choose that's crazy. 1:06:11.560 --> 1:06:13.360 Wow. Yeah, very educated. 1:06:13.520 --> 1:06:13.720 Wow. 1:06:13.840 --> 1:06:15.920 And then also, I don't know, have you seen the 1:06:15.960 --> 1:06:18.560 movie Mother with Debbie Reynolds. 1:06:19.200 --> 1:06:19.400 No? 1:06:19.600 --> 1:06:21.600 I thought you were going to say the Jennifer Lawrence one. No, 1:06:21.640 --> 1:06:23.040 I haven't seen Debbie Reynolds. 1:06:23.120 --> 1:06:25.360 This came out in nineteen ninety six with like Steve 1:06:25.440 --> 1:06:28.120 Gutenberg or something that Steve Gutenberg. Who's the other one, 1:06:28.160 --> 1:06:31.280 Albert melbrook not mel Brooks's son, is it Albrooks? 1:06:31.680 --> 1:06:34.320 Albert Brooks? Yeah, Yeah, it's Albert Brooks. 1:06:34.360 --> 1:06:36.240 He directed it, he was in it, and I remember 1:06:36.280 --> 1:06:37.960 seeing it in the movie theater. And I have like 1:06:38.000 --> 1:06:41.840 a vivid memory of Orrain Sherbert, Like I don't remember 1:06:41.880 --> 1:06:44.560 the plot or anything, but I remember Orn Sherbert. 1:06:44.680 --> 1:06:47.280 I remember seeing that movie on cable. 1:06:47.360 --> 1:06:49.160 I think, maybe now that you're doing bringing it up, 1:06:49.200 --> 1:06:50.760 but I could not tell you a thing about it. 1:06:51.560 --> 1:06:54.400 Yeah, neither can I accept the Sherbert moment. There was 1:06:54.440 --> 1:06:57.320 a Sherbert moment, but it was just a movie I 1:06:57.360 --> 1:06:59.640 saw alone in the movie theater as a child while 1:06:59.680 --> 1:07:01.040 my parents and we're in a different theater. 1:07:02.280 --> 1:07:05.320 They would do that, Oh yeah, just send you to 1:07:05.360 --> 1:07:06.880 a kid movie and they go to the other one. 1:07:07.160 --> 1:07:08.560 I wouldn't have to be a kid movie. 1:07:08.600 --> 1:07:12.160 I I talk about this sometimes in my acts, but like, basically, 1:07:12.280 --> 1:07:15.640 my parents didn't care about any sort of ratings that 1:07:15.680 --> 1:07:19.320 didn't occur to them as foreign people. And we went 1:07:19.320 --> 1:07:21.600 to the cheap movie theater a dollar fifty a ticket, 1:07:21.840 --> 1:07:23.560 and it was like older run movies. But we went 1:07:23.680 --> 1:07:26.680 every single week, and they took me the most horrific movies. 1:07:26.720 --> 1:07:29.440 And then finally the movie theater told my parents I 1:07:29.480 --> 1:07:31.880 could not see dead Man walking they go, we've had 1:07:32.000 --> 1:07:34.640 enough of you and your family, like, you're not taking 1:07:34.640 --> 1:07:35.640 her to dead Man Walking? 1:07:35.640 --> 1:07:37.960 Because I had seen Casino in the movie theater. 1:07:37.800 --> 1:07:42.080 With that, I mean, I was seeing wild Anything that 1:07:42.120 --> 1:07:45.240 came out from Speed was my first movie in the 1:07:45.280 --> 1:07:48.960 movie theater with Speed as a child, first grade, you know, like, 1:07:49.280 --> 1:07:51.880 and so my whole life up until high school, I 1:07:51.920 --> 1:07:53.880 didn't go to school dances. We went to the movies 1:07:53.960 --> 1:07:56.600 every week, and then we would go to Domini's and 1:07:56.640 --> 1:08:00.200 by groceries. But anyways, so the theater wouldn't let them 1:08:00.280 --> 1:08:02.560 take me to dead Man Walking, and so then I 1:08:02.560 --> 1:08:05.000 would sit in the lobby and help rip tickets. So 1:08:05.040 --> 1:08:07.760 my parents would go to a movie and the movie 1:08:07.800 --> 1:08:10.680 theater would decide if it was appropriate or not for me, 1:08:11.040 --> 1:08:12.880 and if it wasn't, I would sit with this old 1:08:12.920 --> 1:08:15.600 man and I would sit with him and I'd rip tickets. 1:08:15.640 --> 1:08:20.559 This is so fucking funny. Oh my god. The movie 1:08:20.600 --> 1:08:24.439 theater was just babysitting you. Yeah, I mean, well I 1:08:24.520 --> 1:08:26.840 was doing work. I mean that's true, you were paying 1:08:26.880 --> 1:08:30.880 so you were paying your way my way sown bonkers that. 1:08:30.960 --> 1:08:33.080 I love that so much, and I love that that 1:08:33.120 --> 1:08:35.560 the movie theater was like okay, we draw the line. 1:08:35.479 --> 1:08:38.360 At the death penalty. Yeah. 1:08:38.400 --> 1:08:40.840 And so then it started where like we would go 1:08:40.960 --> 1:08:42.719 and then we would just see separate movies. 1:08:42.760 --> 1:08:45.320 So Mother was one of them. I saw that Rocket wasn't. 1:08:45.240 --> 1:08:50.800 Rocketman, wait, the Rocketeer, No, it was Space. It was 1:08:50.880 --> 1:08:55.040 that Paul you know, the actor. He looks comedian. What 1:08:55.200 --> 1:08:59.519 is this comedian's fucking name? He's like a weirdo. I 1:08:59.600 --> 1:09:01.240 was the old, only one in the movie theater. I 1:09:01.240 --> 1:09:05.200 remember that one. But I saw tons of movies like Alone, 1:09:05.360 --> 1:09:07.240 while my parents saw other movies. So it wasn't even 1:09:07.240 --> 1:09:09.160 like child movie, adult movie. It was like if we 1:09:09.240 --> 1:09:12.480 just had different interests, Wow, we would separate. 1:09:13.920 --> 1:09:14.400 Wow. 1:09:15.360 --> 1:09:16.920 We just didn't go to the movie that much as 1:09:16.920 --> 1:09:18.519 a family. I remember us all going to see a 1:09:18.560 --> 1:09:21.080 Sventura Pet Detective, But I don't have many other memories 1:09:21.080 --> 1:09:23.559 of family movies besides that, I would take my brothers 1:09:23.600 --> 1:09:25.200 to go see movies. I would take like all the 1:09:25.280 --> 1:09:26.240 kids to go see movies. 1:09:26.320 --> 1:09:28.080 Yeah, I was right. It was called Rocketman. 1:09:28.160 --> 1:09:30.360 It came out in fourteen ninety seven, and it was 1:09:30.400 --> 1:09:31.600 with Harlan Williams. 1:09:32.120 --> 1:09:36.760 Who's that You know him? Oh? You know him? Well? 1:09:36.920 --> 1:09:39.240 When you said Rocketman. I only thought of the recent 1:09:39.360 --> 1:09:41.080 Rocketman with oh. 1:09:41.000 --> 1:09:42.679 Yes, and that made me question myself. 1:09:42.720 --> 1:09:45.000 But I was well then I was thinking Rocketeer, because 1:09:45.000 --> 1:09:47.160 that's like a movie from that time, like when you 1:09:47.200 --> 1:09:48.559 were young, like when we were young. 1:09:48.640 --> 1:09:50.160 So I was thinking maybe that was it. But I 1:09:50.200 --> 1:09:50.560 didn't mean to. 1:09:50.720 --> 1:09:55.160 No, I've actually never heard of Rocketeer in my life. 1:09:55.240 --> 1:09:59.640 I think, isn't Jennifer Connolly in that anyway? This is amazing. 1:09:59.680 --> 1:10:02.639 I love but I love you as just a tiny 1:10:03.000 --> 1:10:05.920 child going to see whatever movie by yourself. That's really 1:10:06.600 --> 1:10:09.360 that's really a great I'm having a great visual of 1:10:09.400 --> 1:10:09.960 it right now. 1:10:10.439 --> 1:10:14.040 Yeah. Good to know. I miss all my movie theater friends. 1:10:14.360 --> 1:10:16.400 I wish. I know they're probably all dead. They were 1:10:16.520 --> 1:10:18.559 very elsey that theater still exists. You have to go 1:10:18.640 --> 1:10:20.599 back there. No, it's a shoe carnival. 1:10:20.960 --> 1:10:25.120 Oh maybe you can, like you can like separate pets 1:10:25.200 --> 1:10:28.080 or something and get into the older spirit of working 1:10:28.439 --> 1:10:30.120 your childhood, your child labor days. 1:10:32.400 --> 1:10:33.879 All right, should we get to our interview? 1:10:34.479 --> 1:10:45.240 Yes, all right, we're really excited for our guests today. 1:10:45.400 --> 1:10:48.160 He has been in so many classic movies that have 1:10:48.200 --> 1:10:50.559 been part of our lives, like Scary Movie, Meet The 1:10:50.600 --> 1:10:54.960 Parents Kids, Prime House of Wax. But you guys know 1:10:55.040 --> 1:10:58.040 him from today's episode as Robert Logan. No relation to 1:10:58.040 --> 1:11:01.080 me and my husband. Please check out our chat with 1:11:01.160 --> 1:11:02.560 actor John Abraham's. 1:11:03.360 --> 1:11:06.800 Well, we're obviously going to talk about SVU, your great performance, 1:11:06.920 --> 1:11:09.920 classic episode, but I have to start. Prime is one 1:11:09.920 --> 1:11:13.600 of my favorite movies of all time. I've seen it 1:11:13.640 --> 1:11:16.720 so many times. I like tried quail eggs because of 1:11:16.760 --> 1:11:19.760 that movie. But so I have to ask, how was 1:11:19.800 --> 1:11:21.839 it like throwing pies in people's faces? 1:11:21.960 --> 1:11:25.800 Was that a fun part, It's a. 1:11:25.840 --> 1:11:28.960 Normal occurrence for me. No, it was. It was amazing. 1:11:29.240 --> 1:11:32.759 It was awesome, And I think when I get pied 1:11:32.760 --> 1:11:35.880 at the end, I think we used like a real 1:11:36.640 --> 1:11:40.160 whipped cream pie. Usually in movies they do shaving cream, okay, 1:11:40.720 --> 1:11:43.400 but we use a real whip cream pie. And like 1:11:43.640 --> 1:11:46.759 it's sort of killed pie for me for whipped cream 1:11:46.800 --> 1:11:49.519 for a long time, because, like I could, I had 1:11:49.520 --> 1:11:52.120 like the ghost smell of whipped cream in my nose 1:11:52.200 --> 1:11:53.639 for you know months. 1:11:53.720 --> 1:11:55.800 I just can't believe shaving cream is better than a 1:11:55.800 --> 1:11:56.840 whipped cream. 1:11:57.400 --> 1:12:00.280 Because it's not sticky. I think, got it. 1:12:00.280 --> 1:12:02.920 It's easier to clean off, you know, like it just 1:12:03.560 --> 1:12:04.040 comes right. 1:12:04.280 --> 1:12:09.040 Smart Cara, well sticky you obviously, Well maybe this is 1:12:09.080 --> 1:12:09.719 a good connection. 1:12:09.920 --> 1:12:10.920 You had a lot of blood. 1:12:10.960 --> 1:12:15.920 You had like an amazing scene and mother, yes we 1:12:15.960 --> 1:12:20.559 meet you on a stretcher with blood throat yep, how 1:12:20.680 --> 1:12:24.840 was that for your entrance? And that scene with the 1:12:24.880 --> 1:12:26.439 detectives and your bloody neck. 1:12:27.640 --> 1:12:29.800 Well, it's so funny because I'm sure other guests have 1:12:29.920 --> 1:12:33.799 told you like it's a very kind of like rocket 1:12:33.840 --> 1:12:36.800 fast paste that they shoot at. And so I don't 1:12:36.960 --> 1:12:39.840 remember if that was like my first day, but I 1:12:39.920 --> 1:12:42.680 remember like it was like, okay, come here, like get 1:12:42.680 --> 1:12:45.920 on the stretcher, here's some blood, you know whatever. And 1:12:45.960 --> 1:12:48.360 there's Iced Tea like leaving from shooting another scene and 1:12:48.520 --> 1:12:51.360 you know whatever. And I was like, oh, okay, cool. 1:12:52.439 --> 1:12:55.200 I was like super psyched to see Iced Tea. I 1:12:55.439 --> 1:12:58.200 don't think I have any scenes with him, so, like 1:12:58.320 --> 1:13:00.479 he wasn't around very much. It was like, you know, 1:13:00.600 --> 1:13:03.519 maybe that day I saw him like in the makeup chair, 1:13:03.560 --> 1:13:06.599 and then I saw him like, you know, going home 1:13:06.640 --> 1:13:07.639 after finishing or. 1:13:07.600 --> 1:13:10.840 Something, yeah, taking his mic off you. 1:13:10.880 --> 1:13:12.280 So you didn't have a lot of scenes with Ice, 1:13:12.320 --> 1:13:13.880 but you had a lot of scenes with b D. Wong, 1:13:13.960 --> 1:13:16.040 who we've talked to on the podcast We Love Him. 1:13:16.200 --> 1:13:17.000 Well, how was that? 1:13:17.080 --> 1:13:19.240 I mean, he's so great. I mean you can tell 1:13:19.320 --> 1:13:20.439 us if you feel differently, but. 1:13:21.680 --> 1:13:25.520 No, it was awesome. And like I was super starstruck 1:13:25.640 --> 1:13:26.040 by B. D. 1:13:26.160 --> 1:13:28.880 Wong, like I grew up, you know, seeing him in 1:13:29.040 --> 1:13:31.680 all kinds of things and like loved him. And so 1:13:32.640 --> 1:13:34.560 it was kind of an odd experience, like all of 1:13:34.560 --> 1:13:37.800 a sudden, like here I am working very intimately and 1:13:37.960 --> 1:13:40.040 very close with B. D. Wong, and like, you know, 1:13:40.520 --> 1:13:43.080 I had a couple moments where I was like God, Like, 1:13:43.160 --> 1:13:47.120 life is just so weird. Yeah, here's here's this dude, 1:13:47.160 --> 1:13:49.360 and like five minutes ago I knew him from all 1:13:49.400 --> 1:13:52.280 these movies and now I'm like crying and weeping in 1:13:52.320 --> 1:13:52.760 his lap. 1:13:52.920 --> 1:13:54.240 Yeah, it's like surreal. 1:13:54.520 --> 1:13:57.559 Well, and a lot of our guests tell us that 1:13:57.640 --> 1:14:00.800 booking SVU felt like a write of passes or like 1:14:00.920 --> 1:14:03.400 a big deal in there life. 1:14:04.000 --> 1:14:04.760 It definitely is. 1:14:04.960 --> 1:14:08.840 I So, I'm from New York City and I grew 1:14:08.960 --> 1:14:13.000 up there, and I started acting from New York City 1:14:14.000 --> 1:14:15.760 and then moved out to Los Angeles when I was 1:14:15.760 --> 1:14:19.519 about twenty five, and so in like ninety eight or 1:14:19.840 --> 1:14:22.679 ninety nine, I mean ninety eight, I did an episode 1:14:22.680 --> 1:14:26.840 of regular Law and Order, which like at the time, yeah, 1:14:26.880 --> 1:14:28.640 that was a right of passage, like if you're a 1:14:28.680 --> 1:14:32.280 New York actor, you've got to be on Law and Orders. 1:14:32.560 --> 1:14:35.120 So I had done that one and that was a 1:14:35.160 --> 1:14:41.160 totally messed up episode. My cat my character's name in 1:14:41.200 --> 1:14:46.040 that episode was Roscoe Johnson, and I was like, I 1:14:46.120 --> 1:14:48.800 was like, you know you sure, Are you sure I'm 1:14:48.840 --> 1:14:55.080 the guy for Roscoe Johnson such a like definitely writer's room. 1:14:55.120 --> 1:14:57.679 They were like, we need a name quick, Roscoe Johnson. 1:14:57.760 --> 1:15:00.920 You know sid you had already moved and then came 1:15:00.960 --> 1:15:02.320 back for SVU or. 1:15:02.960 --> 1:15:04.360 I was, yeah, it was early. 1:15:04.439 --> 1:15:07.599 I was like, I think that episode was I want 1:15:07.600 --> 1:15:10.160 to say two thousand and four or three or yeah, 1:15:10.240 --> 1:15:15.800 maybe five, and I was living in LA And what 1:15:15.920 --> 1:15:20.400 happened is Neil Bear. I had done a pilot for 1:15:20.600 --> 1:15:25.880 Neil Bear years before, like in ninety six or seven, 1:15:27.040 --> 1:15:31.960 for a show called Outreach that was about an outreach 1:15:32.160 --> 1:15:36.120 building on the Venice boardwalk, and it was like all 1:15:36.160 --> 1:15:38.760 the people that work at the outreach and I met 1:15:38.760 --> 1:15:43.600 Neil Bear there and then he just must have liked me. 1:15:43.680 --> 1:15:46.439 I mean, he's a lovely guy. He's super smart and 1:15:46.680 --> 1:15:47.360 very interesting. 1:15:47.439 --> 1:15:49.000 We've had him on our podcast twice. 1:15:49.080 --> 1:15:51.639 We can't get oh awesome making a lot of dreams 1:15:51.640 --> 1:15:52.639 come true for a lot of people. 1:15:52.680 --> 1:15:53.679 I'm glad you're one of them. 1:15:54.360 --> 1:15:57.679 But yeah, he's a genius and super rad. 1:15:57.760 --> 1:16:01.080 And he he called me up, was like, hey, I 1:16:01.240 --> 1:16:04.360 you know I always liked you from Outreach and I 1:16:04.600 --> 1:16:07.040 wonder if you'd be interested in playing this role in 1:16:07.080 --> 1:16:10.679 this episode of SBU and you know, it's it's sort 1:16:10.680 --> 1:16:12.600 of intense and there's this whole thing and I was like, 1:16:12.640 --> 1:16:14.240 of course, I yes, I would love to. 1:16:14.360 --> 1:16:16.960 So so, so, how how did you go about your 1:16:16.960 --> 1:16:19.200 portrayal of this character? Because it really we were talking 1:16:19.200 --> 1:16:21.760 about it like it felt really you know, you could 1:16:21.800 --> 1:16:24.559 have gone full Looney Tunes with it, but you really 1:16:24.600 --> 1:16:26.880 it was a little bit more grounded and understated, Like 1:16:26.920 --> 1:16:29.519 it made it so that you really made it so 1:16:29.560 --> 1:16:32.880 that we didn't know whether this woman had actually done 1:16:32.920 --> 1:16:37.320 something like untoward towards you or whether it was you know, 1:16:37.479 --> 1:16:40.479 part of the therapy, because you definitely had you know, 1:16:40.720 --> 1:16:43.920 your character had psychological issues, but we just felt like 1:16:43.920 --> 1:16:46.880 you played it really grounded and understated and when we're wondering, like, 1:16:47.160 --> 1:16:47.840 you know, what was the. 1:16:47.800 --> 1:16:51.200 Key to that? Like how did you get psyched up 1:16:51.240 --> 1:16:51.680 to do that? 1:16:52.400 --> 1:16:52.759 Yeah? 1:16:52.800 --> 1:16:56.479 So I you know, my approach is always to make 1:16:56.560 --> 1:16:59.920 it real for me, you know, like I have to 1:17:00.360 --> 1:17:02.000 you know, I have to make it real for me. 1:17:02.120 --> 1:17:04.760 And I have to do that by kind of like 1:17:04.960 --> 1:17:07.559 going back through my life and being like, Okay, where 1:17:07.600 --> 1:17:12.519 can I place whatever person to this and make it 1:17:13.080 --> 1:17:16.639 you know, have some sort of sense memory or memory 1:17:16.640 --> 1:17:21.200 from that situation that might lead me to being real 1:17:21.280 --> 1:17:22.160 in these moments. 1:17:23.560 --> 1:17:25.120 I forgot that I flip out in court. 1:17:25.240 --> 1:17:26.879 So it's one of the best scenes. 1:17:27.920 --> 1:17:30.519 I remember Neil being like, yeah, I want you to 1:17:30.560 --> 1:17:33.520 do it and sort of like loosely explaining the plot 1:17:33.760 --> 1:17:35.799 and then like them sending the script and I remember 1:17:35.840 --> 1:17:41.240 being like, oh, like whoa, this isn't like a walk 1:17:41.240 --> 1:17:43.360 in the park at all, Like this is like you know, 1:17:43.920 --> 1:17:48.559 I remember being sort of h yeah, I don't want 1:17:48.600 --> 1:17:51.800 to say nervous. I was like a bit like overwhelmed 1:17:51.880 --> 1:17:53.640 by it, you know. I was like, Okay, this is 1:17:54.120 --> 1:17:56.040 this is a lot of work and it's intense. 1:17:56.360 --> 1:17:58.640 Well you couldn't you couldn't tell you you played it. 1:17:58.720 --> 1:17:59.240 You played it. 1:17:59.320 --> 1:18:02.479 Like as cool as you could as a person going 1:18:02.520 --> 1:18:04.479 through significant mental issue. 1:18:04.560 --> 1:18:06.960 Yeah, you know, what the thing is is that, like 1:18:07.120 --> 1:18:10.040 I feel like the success of a show like that, 1:18:10.360 --> 1:18:14.200 or even the other law and orders, they are grounded. 1:18:14.240 --> 1:18:18.439 They're not so cartoony, you know, they're not comic book 1:18:18.640 --> 1:18:24.519 court dramas. So I guess that's my approach always is like, 1:18:25.080 --> 1:18:29.120 you know, unless it's called for, don't go the cartoony route, 1:18:29.360 --> 1:18:31.280 and you know, keep it real. 1:18:31.680 --> 1:18:35.280 Yeah, so obviously it is very serious subject matter. You're 1:18:35.280 --> 1:18:37.120 in it, you do think it's real. But like when 1:18:37.120 --> 1:18:38.280 you're talking about. 1:18:37.960 --> 1:18:40.639 Like suckling on a breast and stuff, was it hard 1:18:40.680 --> 1:18:41.280 not to laugh? 1:18:45.160 --> 1:18:47.439 Yes, because you're nervous. 1:18:47.479 --> 1:18:51.160 I because like when I'm nervous, like in those situations, 1:18:51.160 --> 1:18:55.160 it's hard not to laugh. But like it's very serious 1:18:55.200 --> 1:18:57.120 when you do those things, like I don't remember it. 1:18:57.200 --> 1:19:00.880 You know, it wasn't a very jokey tone, you know. 1:19:01.000 --> 1:19:03.120 I don't feel like any of the cast members, the 1:19:03.160 --> 1:19:05.040 regular cast members or anybody. 1:19:04.640 --> 1:19:06.160 Around is like. 1:19:08.360 --> 1:19:12.160 You know, like, oh, you know, you have to take 1:19:12.200 --> 1:19:15.799 it seriously, like you have to otherwise you're in trouble. 1:19:16.720 --> 1:19:19.439 And I feel like, you know, there's like if I Remember, 1:19:20.280 --> 1:19:24.360 there's an amazing amount of like technical concern on shows 1:19:24.400 --> 1:19:25.720 like that, and I think that's part of. 1:19:25.640 --> 1:19:26.960 What makes them great, you know. 1:19:27.040 --> 1:19:30.479 And Neil Right has like a medical background and all 1:19:30.520 --> 1:19:33.759 that stuff. It is like a world renowned doctor before 1:19:33.800 --> 1:19:38.200 he wrote right, I think he was the consultant on er. Yeah, 1:19:38.280 --> 1:19:43.240 but like even on the you know, the directing and 1:19:42.520 --> 1:19:46.439 the photography and all that stuff. Like, I feel like 1:19:46.560 --> 1:19:50.400 my memory is that everybody's very focused in their own 1:19:50.840 --> 1:19:55.360 little technical worlds, and so I don't remember a lot 1:19:55.439 --> 1:19:57.759 of like time for joking around. 1:19:57.560 --> 1:20:00.800 It, you know, even to break the ice. 1:20:00.840 --> 1:20:02.680 It's like in that's it, in that in the in 1:20:02.720 --> 1:20:05.120 the context of that episode, you don't really want to 1:20:05.200 --> 1:20:07.360 joke around and break the ice, you know, like that 1:20:07.400 --> 1:20:09.400 could take you too far out of it or lead 1:20:09.479 --> 1:20:11.080 to being cartoony or something. 1:20:11.160 --> 1:20:11.400 You know. 1:20:11.600 --> 1:20:14.200 It's also interesting you brought up the technical stuff because 1:20:14.200 --> 1:20:17.479 outside the medical the scene with Umbd Wong, like camera wise, 1:20:17.560 --> 1:20:20.320 is very technical. They're doing so much circling. Do you 1:20:20.320 --> 1:20:21.760 remember what it was like to shoot that? 1:20:22.479 --> 1:20:24.240 Yes, I totally remember that. 1:20:24.400 --> 1:20:28.000 Like you know, we again, right, like when you're shooting 1:20:28.040 --> 1:20:30.599 on location on Law and Order, it's very fast case 1:20:30.640 --> 1:20:32.960 because New York City, and it's like these people. 1:20:32.680 --> 1:20:34.360 Don't want them on the block too long. 1:20:34.439 --> 1:20:37.400 They're like film, film your stupid show, and get off 1:20:37.400 --> 1:20:40.400 my block, you know. So, but that was on their 1:20:40.479 --> 1:20:44.679 stages in New Jersey, I think, And uh, I remember 1:20:44.760 --> 1:20:50.280 like spending more time blocking that scene than you do 1:20:50.479 --> 1:20:52.559 normally on a scene on. 1:20:52.520 --> 1:20:53.599 Any television show. 1:20:54.080 --> 1:20:56.160 You know, a lot of times it's like it's pre 1:20:56.280 --> 1:20:58.160 lit and it's ready to go and this and that. 1:20:58.240 --> 1:21:01.920 But yeah, I remember it sort of it felt very 1:21:02.000 --> 1:21:03.040 stage playish. 1:21:03.160 --> 1:21:05.240 Yeah, when we got to that scene, you know, it 1:21:05.280 --> 1:21:07.759 feels very much like a play. And maybe that's credit 1:21:07.800 --> 1:21:10.160 due to bde Wong as well, you know, because he's 1:21:10.560 --> 1:21:11.759 an amazing theater actor. 1:21:11.840 --> 1:21:14.519 So had you watched the show at all before you 1:21:14.560 --> 1:21:15.800 were on it? Like, had you been? 1:21:15.960 --> 1:21:19.240 Oh yeah, for sure, for sure. I love Chris Maloney, 1:21:19.600 --> 1:21:24.640 Like look Chris Brady. Yeah, Like there's nobody better than 1:21:24.680 --> 1:21:25.360 Chris Maloney. 1:21:25.400 --> 1:21:27.639 I was gonna ask, are you more of a Stabler 1:21:27.680 --> 1:21:28.679 or a Benson person? 1:21:28.760 --> 1:21:30.360 But you you did it before. 1:21:31.040 --> 1:21:34.360 I love both of them. Actually, I love are you person? 1:21:34.600 --> 1:21:35.760 Is that where your Maloney? 1:21:37.240 --> 1:21:39.760 That's where my Maloney started? But I used to see 1:21:39.840 --> 1:21:42.760 him at auditions in New York back then, like in 1:21:42.800 --> 1:21:46.320 the nineties, you know, I started acting in ninety five. 1:21:46.200 --> 1:21:49.599 Like that, So I used to see him at auditions 1:21:49.600 --> 1:21:49.960 all the time. 1:21:50.080 --> 1:21:54.120 I remember seeing him at the audition for American History 1:21:54.360 --> 1:22:00.559 X Wow. Whoa yeah, and and I was like, he 1:22:00.760 --> 1:22:04.200 was so in the zone in the waiting room, Like 1:22:04.320 --> 1:22:04.920 I was like. 1:22:04.920 --> 1:22:07.599 Who's this guy? Like he's so real, and like did 1:22:07.640 --> 1:22:09.040 they just pull this guy? Like he was just so 1:22:09.120 --> 1:22:09.559 in the zone. 1:22:09.560 --> 1:22:11.720 He was like tied in his shoelaces all aggressively and 1:22:11.760 --> 1:22:13.839 like I was like, Oh, this guy's so interesting. 1:22:14.400 --> 1:22:16.160 Uh and so and then I was. 1:22:16.120 --> 1:22:18.519 Like, oh, there's that guy like you know on OZ 1:22:18.600 --> 1:22:21.639 and there's that guy on SVU and. 1:22:22.560 --> 1:22:29.479 Yeah, scary movie. Pivotal moment in culture. I feel for 1:22:29.520 --> 1:22:31.360 sure that changed everything. I remember seeing it with my 1:22:31.360 --> 1:22:34.200 friend's dad in junior high. We were so embarrassed that 1:22:34.280 --> 1:22:36.519 he was with us. But for a while, were you 1:22:36.640 --> 1:22:38.800 known as like the guy that like just a woman 1:22:38.840 --> 1:22:39.439 into the air. 1:22:40.160 --> 1:22:44.360 Oh, I'm still know, I'm still still still still still 1:22:44.880 --> 1:22:46.000 get that all the time. 1:22:46.040 --> 1:22:47.160 Actually, I'm not kidding. 1:22:47.560 --> 1:22:49.559 People approach you and all the time about it on 1:22:49.640 --> 1:22:50.200 the streets. 1:22:51.000 --> 1:22:54.759 When people approach me I would say, like a third 1:22:54.840 --> 1:22:55.120 of the. 1:22:55.120 --> 1:22:59.360 Time, it's it's that right, Like it's that it's but 1:22:59.439 --> 1:23:01.720 they're like, oh, oh, scary movie, and then they look 1:23:01.760 --> 1:23:04.040 at me like, you know. 1:23:04.160 --> 1:23:08.120 Then occasionally I get people that are like, was that real? 1:23:09.320 --> 1:23:14.880 I'm like maybe maybe, maybe, just don't you know, maybe not, dude. 1:23:15.880 --> 1:23:19.599 I lived in Brooklyn at the time when Scary Movie 1:23:19.640 --> 1:23:20.719 came out, and. 1:23:22.200 --> 1:23:24.559 I would walk down the street and like every day 1:23:24.600 --> 1:23:25.360 people but. 1:23:25.560 --> 1:23:29.040 Bobby, oh my god, oh Bobby, Bobby, you live in 1:23:29.040 --> 1:23:29.800 the neighborhood home. 1:23:29.880 --> 1:23:33.280 I got it all the time. So and I loved it. 1:23:33.320 --> 1:23:34.240 I mean, I still love it. 1:23:34.640 --> 1:23:37.280 You know. I'm so proud of that movie, which just 1:23:37.320 --> 1:23:39.240 turned twenty one. 1:23:39.479 --> 1:23:42.040 Wow, that's awesome this week. 1:23:42.520 --> 1:23:44.440 So I want to ask you about the movie Kids. 1:23:44.760 --> 1:23:46.920 Was that your first thing, because you said you started 1:23:46.920 --> 1:23:47.679 in ninety five. 1:23:48.120 --> 1:23:49.960 I feel like the whole cast of Kids. 1:23:49.720 --> 1:23:52.960 Almost was like newly discovered because I remember I grew 1:23:53.000 --> 1:23:55.599 up in Connecticut and Chloe seven you was discovered. She's 1:23:55.600 --> 1:23:57.360 from the town next to mine, and we were all like, 1:23:57.439 --> 1:23:59.200 oh my god, and we wanted to rent that movie 1:23:59.200 --> 1:24:00.720 and it was like a eagle at all of our 1:24:00.760 --> 1:24:05.240 video stores because it was so gritty. So I'm dying 1:24:05.240 --> 1:24:07.040 to hear about your experience on that. 1:24:08.479 --> 1:24:08.679 Yeah. 1:24:08.720 --> 1:24:10.760 So it was like the first thing I was ever in. 1:24:10.840 --> 1:24:15.960 And everybody in the film, nobody was an actor. That 1:24:16.080 --> 1:24:19.960 was by design. They didn't want actors, and you know, 1:24:20.040 --> 1:24:23.280 it's it's about a lot of those people. Some of 1:24:23.320 --> 1:24:27.599 them are playing themselves in the movie, albeit with a 1:24:27.760 --> 1:24:35.000 very you know, well rounded narrative device, which isn't true 1:24:35.040 --> 1:24:38.040 to the real life people. But yeah, and so I 1:24:38.160 --> 1:24:39.960 just you know, I grew up downtown New York City 1:24:40.000 --> 1:24:41.639 and I used to like hang out in Washington Square 1:24:41.680 --> 1:24:44.360 Park and they just like kind of would walk around 1:24:44.360 --> 1:24:44.920 the park and be. 1:24:44.920 --> 1:24:46.639 Like, do you want to audition for this movie? 1:24:46.680 --> 1:24:49.559 And you know, went to open casting calls and like 1:24:50.200 --> 1:24:53.880 with my best friend and we were like, okay, you know, sure, 1:24:53.960 --> 1:24:58.439 why not, and like you know, and and then sure enough, 1:24:58.479 --> 1:25:01.839 they like you know, they cast me, and and. 1:25:02.280 --> 1:25:04.240 It was crazy. And I still didn't want to be 1:25:04.280 --> 1:25:04.599 an actor. 1:25:04.680 --> 1:25:08.280 I wasn't like I was in visual arts and like 1:25:08.800 --> 1:25:10.320 that's what I thought I was going to go to 1:25:10.360 --> 1:25:14.360 college for and all that stuff. I did not want 1:25:14.360 --> 1:25:17.320 to be a professional actor. It just wasn't the direction 1:25:17.360 --> 1:25:17.920 I was going to take. 1:25:17.960 --> 1:25:22.840 That switch. The switch was a couple of things. 1:25:22.840 --> 1:25:26.160 The switch was I took an improv class in high 1:25:26.200 --> 1:25:30.680 school and that really, like ch opened the doors for me. 1:25:30.800 --> 1:25:34.519 So I was into it creatively, I was into acting. 1:25:34.560 --> 1:25:37.600 I just it wasn't the life path I thought I 1:25:37.640 --> 1:25:38.880 wanted for myself, you know, I. 1:25:38.880 --> 1:25:39.720 Didn't want to do that. 1:25:40.560 --> 1:25:45.040 Then after Kids came out in ninety five, I got 1:25:45.080 --> 1:25:47.679 an agent, like an agent called me and was like, hey, 1:25:47.760 --> 1:25:49.400 I saw you in this movie. You know, do you 1:25:49.400 --> 1:25:51.519 want to try this out? And I was like no, 1:25:51.680 --> 1:25:51.920 and I. 1:25:51.880 --> 1:25:54.400 Hung a quod and then he called me back. He 1:25:54.479 --> 1:25:55.240 called me back and. 1:25:55.280 --> 1:25:57.160 Was like no, no, I'm a real person, like I'm not 1:25:57.520 --> 1:26:00.439 you know, I'm not a sleezbag, like I'm serious. And 1:26:00.920 --> 1:26:03.439 I was like, oh right, well I'll try sure. And 1:26:03.479 --> 1:26:06.880 then I got dead Man Walking. I was in dead 1:26:06.920 --> 1:26:11.880 Man Walking. I played Sean Penn's brother, and that was 1:26:12.040 --> 1:26:16.000 just like a crazy, amazing experience for me. And I 1:26:16.040 --> 1:26:19.519 was like, oh, well, you know, this door is opening 1:26:19.560 --> 1:26:22.280 for me. And I really do love movies. I always 1:26:22.360 --> 1:26:25.200 wanted to work on movies that just maybe not as 1:26:25.240 --> 1:26:27.759 an actor, and so I was like I should follow 1:26:27.800 --> 1:26:30.960 this through and there you go and then I was 1:26:30.960 --> 1:26:31.639 off and running. 1:26:32.360 --> 1:26:35.800 Well disclaimer to our listeners, it doesn't always work out 1:26:35.840 --> 1:26:37.559 that way. So some of the approaches you in Washington 1:26:37.600 --> 1:26:42.680 Square Park just you know, use your judgment. Well, so 1:26:42.920 --> 1:26:46.080 we were obviously, you know, stalking or IMDb before we 1:26:46.200 --> 1:26:48.360 came to talk to you, and we wanted to know 1:26:48.400 --> 1:26:52.800 about Clover, which is a movie you starred in and directed. 1:26:53.240 --> 1:26:55.520 Correct, Yeah, story, Yeah. 1:26:55.240 --> 1:26:57.280 What's it all about? Where can people see it? 1:26:58.400 --> 1:26:58.719 Well? 1:26:58.800 --> 1:27:01.160 I think you can see it on Amazon now, it's 1:27:01.200 --> 1:27:06.799 on Amazon Prime. And uh, it's my second directorial feature. 1:27:07.439 --> 1:27:10.760 So I've I've I've trademarked Crimty. It's a crimety. 1:27:10.800 --> 1:27:11.840 Have you trademarked it? 1:27:11.960 --> 1:27:12.840 I have trademarked that. 1:27:13.120 --> 1:27:15.280 Wow. Cool, you really did? 1:27:15.520 --> 1:27:15.840 I really? 1:27:16.720 --> 1:27:19.040 Oh well, I'm I'm a Shark Tank person. So I 1:27:19.080 --> 1:27:20.479 was like, oh, this is great, good. 1:27:20.320 --> 1:27:22.760 For you, but I'm in the process of it. How 1:27:22.760 --> 1:27:23.200 about that? 1:27:23.720 --> 1:27:28.599 So yeah, Crimety trademark copyright twenty. 1:27:28.400 --> 1:27:31.920 And I'm noticing that both of your movies star Erica Christiansen. 1:27:32.640 --> 1:27:35.640 We're talking, No, you're not. 1:27:36.360 --> 1:27:38.080 She Yeah, she's in season nine. 1:27:38.120 --> 1:27:40.439 She's in a She's a fucked up FBI agent who 1:27:40.479 --> 1:27:42.360 ends up killing herself in front of Benson. 1:27:43.320 --> 1:27:45.799 Oh my god, So that's like my that's like my sister. 1:27:45.920 --> 1:27:48.120 Oh really, Oh wow, Yeah, it's like my sister. What 1:27:48.200 --> 1:27:51.880 a funny coincidence. Yeah, Eric is Eric is the homie 1:27:51.880 --> 1:27:52.280 for life. 1:27:52.560 --> 1:27:55.599 Oh amazing. Did you guys meet just working on stuff 1:27:55.600 --> 1:27:57.000 for auditions. 1:27:56.479 --> 1:27:59.519 Or I think we just met like in the early 1:27:59.560 --> 1:28:02.679 two thousdands, like like we had the same circle of friends, 1:28:02.680 --> 1:28:05.080 and you know, we just became friends. And I have 1:28:05.120 --> 1:28:08.040 a very tight knit group of friends, and we all 1:28:08.080 --> 1:28:10.160 I try to work with as many of my friends 1:28:10.160 --> 1:28:12.559 as I can, certainly when I'm directing movies. 1:28:13.360 --> 1:28:16.280 Well, didn't the same guy write the two movies you directed? Are? Now? 1:28:16.640 --> 1:28:18.920 That's correct, that's like and that's one of my best friends, 1:28:18.960 --> 1:28:22.519 and you know, very very talented guy, Michael Testone. So yeah, 1:28:22.520 --> 1:28:24.760 so he you know, he wrote the first two and 1:28:24.880 --> 1:28:27.439 uh and yeah, and it's it's great. There's a lot 1:28:27.439 --> 1:28:30.000 of great actors in it. You got Ron Perlman, Chas 1:28:30.040 --> 1:28:36.439 Palm and Terry, Jessica Zor. Yeah to Sheena Arnold, I 1:28:36.479 --> 1:28:40.599 could keep going, Mark Weber, Nicole, Elizabeth Berger. I mean 1:28:40.600 --> 1:28:42.960 there's it's a great cast. It's a big, great cast. 1:28:43.600 --> 1:28:44.960 Do you like director goodman. 1:28:45.680 --> 1:28:48.040 I love it. I love it very much. 1:28:48.320 --> 1:28:52.879 And uh, it's more encompassing of my sort of creative 1:28:52.880 --> 1:28:56.120 interests than just acting alone, So I like it for 1:28:56.200 --> 1:28:56.719 that reason. 1:28:56.800 --> 1:29:02.439 Yeah, that was so fun. He was fun to talk to. 1:29:02.640 --> 1:29:05.400 Also, I can't believe that dead Man Walking got two 1:29:05.560 --> 1:29:07.040 shout outs to this episode. 1:29:07.240 --> 1:29:10.160 Oh yeah, that's amazing. Yeah, I'm just saying. 1:29:10.640 --> 1:29:13.839 And that best friend that he knew Erica and yeah, 1:29:13.920 --> 1:29:15.160 like loving each other. 1:29:15.439 --> 1:29:18.040 They're for real, for real friends. 1:29:18.400 --> 1:29:20.960 Yeah, because you never know in this you know, everyone's like, 1:29:21.000 --> 1:29:21.920 oh I know this person. 1:29:22.080 --> 1:29:24.520 Yeah, everyone's friends in Hollywood. 1:29:24.560 --> 1:29:24.840 Baby. 1:29:25.000 --> 1:29:27.360 Oh that's actually another thing for my birthday. We went 1:29:27.439 --> 1:29:29.000 up to the roof of the hotel to have some 1:29:29.120 --> 1:29:31.439 drinks and the desk people have to let you up 1:29:31.439 --> 1:29:33.320 into the special elevator and they go, oh, are you 1:29:33.320 --> 1:29:34.320 here for the comedy show? 1:29:34.640 --> 1:29:36.160 And there was a comedy show on the roofs Oh, 1:29:36.240 --> 1:29:37.639 my god, did you know anyone? 1:29:37.760 --> 1:29:40.080 Well, a guy was actually extra familiar, but then kept 1:29:40.080 --> 1:29:40.840 calling me Liza. 1:29:41.040 --> 1:29:42.040 So it was very fun. 1:29:43.880 --> 1:29:48.120 But yeah, sou but that was a very very thrilling 1:29:48.160 --> 1:29:52.639 interview and a very fucked up case. And she didn't 1:29:52.640 --> 1:29:55.599 seem apologetic in any way, and yeah, I don't know. 1:29:56.120 --> 1:29:58.439 And I think what we've learned is that I'm not 1:29:58.640 --> 1:30:01.320 positive that having SO with your therapist is illegal. 1:30:01.360 --> 1:30:04.040 No, just getting a shivial legal and shavial legal. I 1:30:04.080 --> 1:30:04.879 was just curious. 1:30:07.160 --> 1:30:09.559 I think we learned that, Yeah, if you feel like 1:30:09.760 --> 1:30:13.439 you're having some sexual feelings toward your therapist or anything, 1:30:13.560 --> 1:30:14.960 that's I think that's okay. 1:30:15.320 --> 1:30:16.960 Just get a new therapist. 1:30:16.880 --> 1:30:19.000 Because you're not going to be fully honest with them 1:30:19.080 --> 1:30:21.320 and tell them what's up. It's kind of when Charlotte 1:30:21.320 --> 1:30:26.479 and Sex and the City gets an ugly divorce because 1:30:26.479 --> 1:30:28.599 she wanted to get and then you know they've got married. 1:30:28.640 --> 1:30:31.000 But it was very cute. Is there sex in the 1:30:31.040 --> 1:30:36.160 City news? They're just working? Yeah, they're just working. 1:30:36.320 --> 1:30:38.920 It didn't help, but no, and all at want what 1:30:39.240 --> 1:30:42.240 was it called? Just like just like that, just like 1:30:42.640 --> 1:30:43.200 just like that. 1:30:44.040 --> 1:30:47.559 Just I'm wondering who we're going to know, like New 1:30:47.600 --> 1:30:49.479 York actor friends that are going to get little pop 1:30:49.560 --> 1:30:50.040 up parts. 1:30:50.360 --> 1:30:52.640 I mean, usually I keep jealousy in check, but that 1:30:52.720 --> 1:30:53.559 might be tough for me. 1:30:54.720 --> 1:30:56.719 That might be tough. If I see some damn bitch 1:30:56.800 --> 1:30:59.200 that I don't like in there, I might I won't do. 1:30:59.160 --> 1:31:02.559 Anything I'll I don't want to do anything about I'll 1:31:02.600 --> 1:31:03.880 be happy everyone's working. 1:31:05.120 --> 1:31:07.559 Oh yeah, I keep thinking of things I did. No, 1:31:08.880 --> 1:31:09.280 I don't know. 1:31:09.520 --> 1:31:11.640 Yeah, I guess just I saw Cat Collin's show this 1:31:11.680 --> 1:31:14.120 past weekend, and she's a great performer. 1:31:14.160 --> 1:31:16.040 But she's in the Sex and the City show. I'll 1:31:16.120 --> 1:31:18.960 killer it's completely possible and she will be. Oh, she 1:31:19.040 --> 1:31:23.559 will be. I guess. 1:31:23.640 --> 1:31:23.840 Yeah. 1:31:23.920 --> 1:31:27.240 Like I think our only post mortem what we've learned 1:31:27.280 --> 1:31:32.080 from this episode is yeah, like, uh, oh, don't I 1:31:32.120 --> 1:31:34.839 mean this go. We can't go into the full Texas 1:31:34.840 --> 1:31:38.040 abortion band shit, but like, don't shame your fucking daughter 1:31:38.080 --> 1:31:40.200 for getting pregnant and rip her child away and raise 1:31:40.240 --> 1:31:41.639 him as your own and try to cut his dick 1:31:41.640 --> 1:31:42.719 off with a piece of string. 1:31:42.800 --> 1:31:43.519 What the fuck? 1:31:43.920 --> 1:31:47.080 I know? These anti abortion bullshit things that are happening. 1:31:47.160 --> 1:31:49.320 It's like I just saw a post that was like 1:31:49.400 --> 1:31:52.479 God gave up his son. I think he's okay with abortion, 1:31:53.720 --> 1:31:56.760 but the hoops they go to where it's like God 1:31:56.800 --> 1:32:01.599 wouldn't want this unborn baby something kill. But if someone 1:32:01.680 --> 1:32:03.600 rapes you have to give birth to the thing. It 1:32:03.680 --> 1:32:06.160 just makes no sense, like that your God is wanting 1:32:06.240 --> 1:32:07.439 children to get I don't get. 1:32:07.360 --> 1:32:09.439 Know and your God wants children like in their own 1:32:09.520 --> 1:32:12.960 filth at the border and and being mistreated there, Like 1:32:13.000 --> 1:32:14.920 it's just like, yeah, no one cares about these children 1:32:14.960 --> 1:32:15.559 once they're born. 1:32:16.240 --> 1:32:19.080 And anti anti what's pissing me off the most is 1:32:19.080 --> 1:32:23.320 people equating masks usage to force labor and pregnancy. 1:32:23.600 --> 1:32:28.000 It's like these are different. Store is a lot chiller. 1:32:28.240 --> 1:32:31.760 You can't get pregnant from somebody sneezing near you, Like, yeah, 1:32:31.920 --> 1:32:33.880 you know, It's just it's a totally different fucking thing. 1:32:33.920 --> 1:32:36.120 It's like, this is a public health Like, let's all 1:32:36.160 --> 1:32:39.240 work together, not invading someone's bodily autonomy. 1:32:40.000 --> 1:32:42.880 Maybe if you wanted to, I don't abuse the grand 1:32:43.000 --> 1:32:45.320 kid and kick your daughter out. Don't be a bad parent, 1:32:45.400 --> 1:32:47.320 well I have kids, if you're gonna be a bad parent. 1:32:47.439 --> 1:32:49.439 But if you listen to our podcast and you don't 1:32:49.479 --> 1:32:51.880 follow us on Instagram, please go check out our Instagram 1:32:51.920 --> 1:32:54.599 because we did post like, uh, I believe fifteen different 1:32:54.600 --> 1:32:57.640 abortion uh pro abortion funds that you can donate to 1:32:57.720 --> 1:32:58.960 in Texas and help those people. 1:32:59.160 --> 1:33:01.559 And then you said that in Instagram. Fucking took it down. 1:33:01.680 --> 1:33:04.040 They took down their original posts because I had shared it. 1:33:04.040 --> 1:33:05.479 In stories, and I was like, oh okay, and now 1:33:05.479 --> 1:33:07.840 I'm gonna put it in the grid bitches, and. 1:33:07.840 --> 1:33:11.280 I just what is what is Instagram doing that they're 1:33:11.320 --> 1:33:12.000 taking it off? 1:33:12.160 --> 1:33:14.679 Yeah, that's what. That's like a super crazy. 1:33:15.800 --> 1:33:17.920 Then it popped back up like they wrote me about it, 1:33:17.920 --> 1:33:19.400 and we're like they wrote about him. 1:33:19.400 --> 1:33:20.920 We're like, this is fucked up, and they were like, 1:33:20.920 --> 1:33:21.840 thank you for supporting us. 1:33:21.880 --> 1:33:24.240 So I like, well, because that's the whole shadow band thing, 1:33:24.280 --> 1:33:26.840 where like people the people that harp the most about 1:33:26.840 --> 1:33:30.320 like cancel culture, actually people are being shadow band and 1:33:30.360 --> 1:33:34.240 hidden constantly. Yeah like uh not, and you guys don't 1:33:34.240 --> 1:33:35.600 care about that cancel. 1:33:35.320 --> 1:33:38.880 Yeah, just like yeah, exactly because it happens a lot 1:33:38.880 --> 1:33:40.920 of sex workers and people that talk about race. 1:33:41.360 --> 1:33:45.040 Yes, you're right away where conversations get shadow bands. 1:33:45.080 --> 1:33:47.439 But even our girl Carly, you know, she draws naked 1:33:47.439 --> 1:33:50.920 women sometimes and she like I legit have to sometimes 1:33:50.920 --> 1:33:53.200 go look for her stuff because it keeps high, Like 1:33:53.240 --> 1:33:56.040 I have to be like, oh fuck, they really are hardy, 1:33:56.560 --> 1:33:57.920 Like I go out of my way to go like 1:33:57.960 --> 1:33:59.320 an engage with her age. 1:33:59.320 --> 1:34:03.280 So that yeah, so lame, you gotta do it. Yeah. Yeah, 1:34:03.400 --> 1:34:05.920 But back to this episode, well, Oh, I didn't know that. 1:34:06.520 --> 1:34:08.559 What is it? H highway? There was like a term 1:34:08.640 --> 1:34:10.040 for heroin that I didn't know. 1:34:10.360 --> 1:34:13.440 Oh, shooting, shooting, shooting gallery, shooting gallery. 1:34:13.800 --> 1:34:16.200 That sounds like art, Like I didn't get it. Yeah, 1:34:16.600 --> 1:34:21.160 I like photography, shooting gallery. H heroin? 1:34:21.560 --> 1:34:25.560 Un over who those boys looked so casual? Who casually 1:34:25.600 --> 1:34:27.400 does heroin on a win like that? Like, Oh, we're 1:34:27.400 --> 1:34:27.960 in New York. 1:34:27.880 --> 1:34:31.519 Let's do find some heroin? Yeah heroin? Where were they 1:34:31.520 --> 1:34:33.280 going to go back to the Double Tree in Times 1:34:33.320 --> 1:34:37.160 Square to shoot up some heroin? It's kind of anyway. 1:34:37.200 --> 1:34:39.680 Nobody do heroin or cocaine right now until we get 1:34:39.720 --> 1:34:43.599 this ventanyl situation under control. That's another fucking not even 1:34:43.640 --> 1:34:46.360 a post mortem, just a public I'm not judging anybody's 1:34:46.439 --> 1:34:49.599 drug use or party habits, but just until get those 1:34:49.640 --> 1:34:51.840 test strips where you can test it or it's just 1:34:51.960 --> 1:34:55.320 really sad. There's been that actor from the Wire, Omar 1:34:55.360 --> 1:34:57.840 from the Wire, Michael K. Williams is his name. Yeah, 1:34:57.840 --> 1:34:59.599 And then we know some comedian I mean we don't 1:34:59.600 --> 1:35:01.760 I don't know, but we know of these comedians who 1:35:02.120 --> 1:35:04.400 in the hospitalassed away and one's in the hospital. 1:35:04.520 --> 1:35:07.599 It's really fucked and you know the fentanel. I don't 1:35:07.640 --> 1:35:09.640 know exactly what it is. I'll tell you what it is. 1:35:09.720 --> 1:35:12.479 What is it? It's I took it. I took it. 1:35:12.520 --> 1:35:13.960 They gave it to me for Rosie when I was 1:35:14.000 --> 1:35:17.360 giving birth, and it was great. When you're using, when 1:35:17.400 --> 1:35:20.479 it's being measured out by adoptor, it feels amazing because 1:35:20.520 --> 1:35:24.200 it's like a it's for medicine. It's for like aniseptic anesthetic, 1:35:24.360 --> 1:35:28.000 like whatever use is like to So I wasn't feeling 1:35:28.000 --> 1:35:30.439 the pain of my contractions basically. But if it's in 1:35:30.520 --> 1:35:34.120 these drugs like laced and stuff, one one line can 1:35:34.200 --> 1:35:34.479 kill you. 1:35:35.080 --> 1:35:36.960 But what who's putting it in that? That's what I 1:35:37.040 --> 1:35:37.400 want to know. 1:35:37.520 --> 1:35:39.519 I'm like, if I'm a drug dealer, do I want 1:35:39.520 --> 1:35:41.559 word on the street being my clients are all dying? 1:35:41.720 --> 1:35:42.960 Like, it doesn't make any sense to me. 1:35:43.320 --> 1:35:45.360 People are saying, oh, because it'll like if you have 1:35:45.479 --> 1:35:47.639 cheap if you have cheap product, it'll make the high 1:35:47.640 --> 1:35:48.240 better and stuff. 1:35:48.240 --> 1:35:49.280 But if it's it's not worth it. 1:35:49.320 --> 1:35:51.160 If it's killing people, you know what I mean, Like, 1:35:51.200 --> 1:35:52.639 you can't measure it out the right way. 1:35:53.800 --> 1:35:55.839 Yeah, another drug thing. 1:35:55.760 --> 1:35:59.599 Is like that family they want some lawsuit that they 1:35:59.600 --> 1:36:03.000 can ever be charged with any opioid death. 1:36:03.000 --> 1:36:07.839 Seven the fucking the Purdue Pharma people. Yeah, yeah, crazy. 1:36:07.880 --> 1:36:10.599 I watched that on John Oliver. Yeah, it's just too much. 1:36:10.640 --> 1:36:12.840 It's too much, like thinking about I was trying to 1:36:12.840 --> 1:36:17.000 avoid stuff because at a certain point it's just like fuck. 1:36:17.160 --> 1:36:19.799 But I did read that the drug dealers who supplied 1:36:19.840 --> 1:36:22.560 mac Miller with the drugs that killed him, they were prosecuted. 1:36:22.680 --> 1:36:24.280 So and I have a friend actually who just told 1:36:24.280 --> 1:36:26.720 me that her cousin just died of an opioid over 1:36:26.800 --> 1:36:30.840 like a overdose this summer and her parents, his parents 1:36:30.920 --> 1:36:33.280 were like one of them was like, we're gonna find 1:36:33.320 --> 1:36:35.160 the guys. We're gonna find the guys, and the mom 1:36:35.280 --> 1:36:37.080 was like, what is it. It not going to bring 1:36:37.160 --> 1:36:39.759 him back, Like, you know, it's just so fucking tragic 1:36:40.439 --> 1:36:41.040 it is, you know. 1:36:41.400 --> 1:36:42.400 Anyway, Let's get to what. 1:36:42.320 --> 1:36:44.360 Would Sister Peg Do? Because that makes me feel like 1:36:44.360 --> 1:36:47.600 at least we can help people a little bit. This 1:36:47.760 --> 1:36:51.000 week's what would Sister Peg Do, which is our weekly 1:36:51.080 --> 1:36:54.439 segment where we give you guys a link or point 1:36:54.479 --> 1:36:56.360 you in the direction of some more information or an 1:36:56.439 --> 1:36:59.559 organization that can help you with learn more about the 1:36:59.720 --> 1:37:02.439 top that we talked about today, and since today we 1:37:02.520 --> 1:37:04.600 spoke a little bit about therapy and some of the 1:37:05.400 --> 1:37:09.040 you know, the sketchy areas of therapy, we wanted to 1:37:09.240 --> 1:37:13.320 highlight the Therapy Exploitation Link Line, which is www dot 1:37:13.400 --> 1:37:19.760 therapyabuse dot org and the acronym is tl SO. TELL 1:37:20.040 --> 1:37:22.400 is a peer support network that seeks to help victims 1:37:22.400 --> 1:37:26.480 and survivors of exploitation by psychotherapists and other healthcare providers 1:37:26.520 --> 1:37:28.800 find the resources they need to understand what's happened to 1:37:28.840 --> 1:37:32.200 them and to heal. So if you or know anyone, 1:37:32.320 --> 1:37:34.280 or you are someone who feels like you've been exploited 1:37:34.360 --> 1:37:37.599 or abused by your therapists, please check out Therapy Abuse 1:37:37.720 --> 1:37:40.799 dot org and their website has a ton of information 1:37:41.000 --> 1:37:43.200 like resources, networking, professional support. 1:37:43.479 --> 1:37:45.360 And thank you for that, Karen. You're welcome. 1:37:45.520 --> 1:37:48.000 And next week's episode will be the book of Esther 1:37:48.479 --> 1:37:50.799 Season nineteen, episode twenty. 1:37:51.360 --> 1:37:53.200 Several people have asked for this baby, so here we 1:37:53.240 --> 1:37:54.479 are with the goods. 1:37:54.600 --> 1:37:58.000 I'm very happy and you know watching on Hulu Peacox. 1:37:58.400 --> 1:38:02.519 Spend some cash somewhere to the library, a lot. 1:38:02.320 --> 1:38:05.679 Of options options. Oh, I was staying at a friend's 1:38:05.680 --> 1:38:09.840 house and this was so weird. The Hulu it. 1:38:09.760 --> 1:38:11.920 Was on auto play, but it would play what anything else? 1:38:11.960 --> 1:38:14.439 So I was watching drag Race obviously, and it would 1:38:14.479 --> 1:38:17.439 just play This is Us, like it just decides whatever 1:38:17.479 --> 1:38:18.840 it wants, We'll come on next. 1:38:18.880 --> 1:38:21.080 It wasn't the next episode of the show you watched. 1:38:21.080 --> 1:38:22.639 It's crazy. 1:38:22.720 --> 1:38:24.559 I don't know how they do it. Yeah, they want 1:38:24.600 --> 1:38:26.760 you to get sucked into a different show. They're like, 1:38:26.800 --> 1:38:28.960 you might like melodrama, here's this is Us. 1:38:29.120 --> 1:38:32.920 Honestly, what I can't wait for is Joel Kim Booster's. 1:38:32.360 --> 1:38:36.320 Fire Island movie on Hulu. I can't wait so good. 1:38:36.600 --> 1:38:40.000 I'm like, can you guys get them? I need it. 1:38:40.040 --> 1:38:42.320 I know he's like partying in his stories. I'm like, 1:38:42.360 --> 1:38:45.639 this looks so good. Truly, every time I've watched his stories, 1:38:45.680 --> 1:38:47.200 every summer of him in Fire Island, I've been like, 1:38:47.200 --> 1:38:48.439 I want to be there. So now I'm going to 1:38:48.520 --> 1:38:49.599 be there when I watch the movie. 1:38:49.600 --> 1:38:50.040 It's great. 1:38:50.160 --> 1:38:52.640 And they he posted a photo and it was with 1:38:52.720 --> 1:38:54.400 Margaret Chow and they were all at the beach and 1:38:54.439 --> 1:38:55.840 she is more tatted. 1:38:55.439 --> 1:38:57.800 Than I knew. Oh yes, she's all sleeved up. I 1:38:57.800 --> 1:38:59.200 didn't know that well, I knew, but I didn't know. 1:38:59.240 --> 1:39:02.640 Her whole stomach was Oh really Yeah, I was excited. 1:39:02.800 --> 1:39:03.200 Yeah yeah. 1:39:03.240 --> 1:39:05.800 Go check out Joelkimbooster's instagram if you want to see 1:39:05.880 --> 1:39:06.519 Margaret sinc. 1:39:06.800 --> 1:39:11.120 Yeah. 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