WEBVTT - This is the Red Line.  Mike Lyons talks to Armstrong & Getty

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<v Speaker 1>The breaking news overnight was that the Iranians shot down

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<v Speaker 1>a US military aircraft. I prefer to call it that

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<v Speaker 1>as opposed to a drone, because I don't know, just

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<v Speaker 1>drone sounds too soft. I'm about unmanned aircraft. One of

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<v Speaker 1>our pilots didn't get killed. That's fine, you got to

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<v Speaker 1>throw that in. But it's it's it's more than just

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<v Speaker 1>you know, some tiny little drone you bought at Walmart.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a bigger deal than that. It's the latest step

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<v Speaker 1>in a significant step in the escalations attentions between the

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<v Speaker 1>US various of our Gulf allies in the Iranians. My

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<v Speaker 1>clients military analysts joins US major Mike Lions, not only

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<v Speaker 1>in military analysts as we were discussing last hour, but

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<v Speaker 1>a historian. Uh, Mike, welcome, How are you guys. Great

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<v Speaker 1>to be back with you. Thanks. Um Is it's does

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<v Speaker 1>this worry you? Is this a big step? Well, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a it's now this is the red line there. They

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<v Speaker 1>are literally right at that place where we've got to

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<v Speaker 1>respond to do something. I think you go back to

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<v Speaker 1>the Trump administrations Tehran a few months ago that killing

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<v Speaker 1>an American soldier was going to be that red line.

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<v Speaker 1>You cross it and you're going to get everything that

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<v Speaker 1>we've got coming at you. The Uranians took that list

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<v Speaker 1>and set down made a list of all the things

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<v Speaker 1>that they could do that did that they could take

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<v Speaker 1>that would um just would upset us interests and allies

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<v Speaker 1>and and this is one of us that stops just

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<v Speaker 1>short of it. We didn't kill a soldier, but we

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<v Speaker 1>took out one of your military assets. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>there's other items on that list. They're going to continue

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<v Speaker 1>to do this. Um, they knew full well what they

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<v Speaker 1>were doing. UM, this is an aircraft fly the twenty

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<v Speaker 1>feet service to air missile had to take it out, um,

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<v Speaker 1>had to return address. And so that's probably was the

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<v Speaker 1>first thing we could do, is we can go after

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<v Speaker 1>the missile base that shot this aircraft down. Interesting point,

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<v Speaker 1>so they're claiming we were in their airspace. We're saying

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<v Speaker 1>we were in international airspace. Do you have any doubt

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<v Speaker 1>that we're telling the truth. You know that aircraft flies

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<v Speaker 1>at such a high altitude that it wouldn't you know,

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<v Speaker 1>violate anything, uh from a from a threat perspective, if

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<v Speaker 1>it's if it's monitoring it. What countries do is they

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<v Speaker 1>have this lily pad approach. They if they if they

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<v Speaker 1>claim an island out let's say in the Persian Gulf

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<v Speaker 1>is Iranian territory, they drop a lily pad on it

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<v Speaker 1>and say, Okay, thirteen miles now around that island is

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<v Speaker 1>now Iranian airspace. It's been ignored by the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>the world. But that's what the Iranians might be claiming

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<v Speaker 1>as to why it is because I doubt that we

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<v Speaker 1>would got fly that close. And this is not something

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<v Speaker 1>that has to fly close. It's it's a surveillance collecting

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<v Speaker 1>you know, big Blue, the way all looking device that

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<v Speaker 1>that flies collects a lot of data, stays on station

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<v Speaker 1>for thirty hours, has tremendous capability. But but but not

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<v Speaker 1>but not something that has to violate the airspace. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>pull back a little bit. Speaking of being at feet,

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<v Speaker 1>What's what's the game iran is playing right now? What

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<v Speaker 1>are they trying to accomplish. I think they're trying to

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<v Speaker 1>divide the United States with its allies, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>they're trying to get the sanctions relieved them. The only

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<v Speaker 1>thing I can think of as to why they're going

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<v Speaker 1>after the tankers in the Middle East is because they're

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<v Speaker 1>just trying to drive up the price of oil to

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<v Speaker 1>get as much as they can for what they are

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<v Speaker 1>able to shift out of the Persian Gulf. Right now,

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<v Speaker 1>the sanctions have really strangled them. That doesn't don't have

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<v Speaker 1>the same capability to to move a lot of their

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<v Speaker 1>um their oil, and countries that we've got um in

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<v Speaker 1>our back pocket aren't buying it anymore. UM. Still, India, Japan,

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<v Speaker 1>China continues to um to buy the oil coming from Iran.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think that's that's what that's all about. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>And now we're going to see what the response will

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<v Speaker 1>be from Germany, from England, France, we saw Russia's already

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<v Speaker 1>weighed in they're gonna be on the side of the Iranians.

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<v Speaker 1>But when when Iran does something like this, if the

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<v Speaker 1>British don't come back and support us, and the Germans

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<v Speaker 1>don't support us, then the messages we're going to go

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<v Speaker 1>this alone. And an interesting article over the weekend about

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<v Speaker 1>if the United States decides to go to war with Iran,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll lose this century to the Chinese, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>there's a kernel of truth in that. I think if

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<v Speaker 1>we if we decide that we've got to go after

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<v Speaker 1>the Iranians now militarily, it's gonna have to be all in.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna have to you know, we can't have this

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<v Speaker 1>limited war anymore. Um. I think we're gonna lose our

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<v Speaker 1>focus in the South China see, and we'll we'll we'll

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<v Speaker 1>suffer losses and we'll have a problem. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>there's a little bit of truth to that. And you

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<v Speaker 1>think Iran knows that. I think they do, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think you know, they recognize that war still has regime

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<v Speaker 1>change for them, and it's suicidal and they don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to do it. And they'll likely, as they did with

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<v Speaker 1>the Iraqis in the eighties, they'll do what they can

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<v Speaker 1>to to stop it. And and they'll they'll look for

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<v Speaker 1>China and Russia to come in on their side. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it could, it could escalate very quickly. Um. But they're

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<v Speaker 1>betting that the world will not side with the United

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<v Speaker 1>States of the United States are gonna have to make

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<v Speaker 1>this decision on its own, um, knowing the critical pressure

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<v Speaker 1>here in the United States, knowing that you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>watching people this morning literally bring blame Donald Trump for

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<v Speaker 1>this is just beyond the pale that we went bringing

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<v Speaker 1>our president for neuron targeting and shooting down a US

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<v Speaker 1>military asset is just beyond beyond belief. Well, the point is,

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<v Speaker 1>of course he pulled out of the nuclear agreement and

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<v Speaker 1>has ratcheted up the pressure and made them squoil. And

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<v Speaker 1>this is them squealing, right, So you know that's true

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<v Speaker 1>as far as it goes, whether it's good foreign policy

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<v Speaker 1>or not. I suppose you could argue about, um, major

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<v Speaker 1>Mike clients on the phone, Mike, if you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>switch into advisor mode, Um, what would you suggest our

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<v Speaker 1>response be to the shooting down of this rather expensive

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<v Speaker 1>unmanned aircraft? No, it's it's expensive, it's a cost more

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<v Speaker 1>than the Actually I would Um, I'd likely target the

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<v Speaker 1>missile base where it came from. I think that that

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<v Speaker 1>would be a fair measured response to this, and actually

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<v Speaker 1>hit it with a U S missile. I would, given

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<v Speaker 1>it's likely along the coast someplace, maybe perhaps uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>give them some that that would show that we're willing

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<v Speaker 1>to actually swing a stick. Now, UM, kill a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of Rainians hanging around the hanging around there or not

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<v Speaker 1>if they were unfortunate enough to be there. I think

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<v Speaker 1>that you know, there's there's other things that the range

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<v Speaker 1>are doing. They're going after the de stalization plans in

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<v Speaker 1>Saudi Arabia, they're doing all these these things again to

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<v Speaker 1>go right to that line, we've got to tell we've

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<v Speaker 1>got to unblow that line and say, you know what

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<v Speaker 1>that line now is destroying this equipment. At this point,

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<v Speaker 1>I think um I would do that now, then see

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<v Speaker 1>what the escalation goes from there. You know, we can't

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<v Speaker 1>live our lives worried about the Iranians unleashing Heasburah and

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<v Speaker 1>and secret cells throughout the world, and terrorist groups that

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<v Speaker 1>they are. Look what Ran didn't in two thousand eleven

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<v Speaker 1>to Obama. They shot down a drone that that what

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<v Speaker 1>was it, the the r Q one seventy, that drone

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<v Speaker 1>that that stealth looking thing. And Obama politely asks it back,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, please, can we have our drone? Back says no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>not gonna give it back. We're gonna re engineer one.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna make one ourselves. I'm gonna put it on

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<v Speaker 1>display to show the world about how much we've we've

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<v Speaker 1>destroyed you. So you know, these people don't play, They're

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<v Speaker 1>not they're not interested in making us look good. And

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<v Speaker 1>at some point I think there's going to be a

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<v Speaker 1>conflict here. I know the President makes the ultimatecall on this,

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<v Speaker 1>but right beneath them the Secretary Defense, Our current Secretary

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<v Speaker 1>Defense has got the job for about twenty four more hours.

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<v Speaker 1>Does that make it more difficult? You know? Um. Patrick

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<v Speaker 1>Shanahan has been on a kind of a Dennis I

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<v Speaker 1>think for past few weeks. I think, you know, they

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<v Speaker 1>were trying to blame the McCain incident on him, and

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<v Speaker 1>kind of what I had was there was something coming

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<v Speaker 1>down and obviously that that that you dropped with this

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<v Speaker 1>UM incident to this this UM his domestic incident that

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<v Speaker 1>happened where he looks more of a victim than anything else.

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<v Speaker 1>UM unfortunately. But so the guy that's been running the

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<v Speaker 1>panogony is Joe Dunferd is the four star chairman of

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<v Speaker 1>the GEINT Chiefs of Staff. He's been the steady hand

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<v Speaker 1>at the wheel, not getting a credit for it, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of classic, you know, in American style. And so

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<v Speaker 1>h and Mark Asper, who will take over in the

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<v Speaker 1>seat UM former he's former Secretary of the Army, has

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<v Speaker 1>done a great job for the Army the past two years.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they're just going to go right by him. Pompey,

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<v Speaker 1>with his military background with Bolton here, is likely telling

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<v Speaker 1>the President we up to strike. So one more quick question,

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<v Speaker 1>just if I'm advising the president, um, and tell me

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<v Speaker 1>if this is idiotic or unprecedented, I uh say, to

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<v Speaker 1>the your aunience, Hey, look we know where you shot

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<v Speaker 1>that missile from. We're going to reduce it to rubble.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna do it in six hours. Get your guys

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<v Speaker 1>out of there. Does that ever happen, Yeah, that happens.

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<v Speaker 1>That that does happen. It happens back channel. Um, it

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely does. And um that that's a possibility. Um, they

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<v Speaker 1>could likely move civilians there though, and they could likely

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<v Speaker 1>Um they could. I mean that's possible. It's it's not

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<v Speaker 1>something that that that wouldn't be beneath him to do so.

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<v Speaker 1>And then that will have to then then the decision,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we'll be will you know, we can watch

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<v Speaker 1>down to you know, we can watch literally down to

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<v Speaker 1>the name tags or the soldiers that they have on

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<v Speaker 1>the ground there is to see who specifically is there. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>but we just have to see what we're dealing with.

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<v Speaker 1>And it just gets back to I think the key

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<v Speaker 1>right now as allies and whether we're going to go

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<v Speaker 1>this alone or not. And that has a lot to

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<v Speaker 1>do with Trump's personality and all these countries that were

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<v Speaker 1>suffering internal, you know, challenges right now, the Brits with Brexit,

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<v Speaker 1>the French and their internal struggles with Macron and his

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<v Speaker 1>lack of popularity. And we all know that Germany is

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<v Speaker 1>not interested in doing anything to do. But if they

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<v Speaker 1>all say no, no, no, no, no, no, don't escalate,

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<v Speaker 1>this is all dumb, don't escalate, then do we really

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<v Speaker 1>have to hit the brakes? I think we do. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think if we go this alone. It gets back

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<v Speaker 1>to that thing about we lose the century. I think

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<v Speaker 1>there's a little bit of there's a lot of truth

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<v Speaker 1>in that. I do believe that we're gonna spread ourselves

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<v Speaker 1>then and figure out there will be We've got to

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<v Speaker 1>fight another day. They'll they'll they'll likely be They'll likely

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<v Speaker 1>be a fight with Uranians, you know, ten days. The

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<v Speaker 1>next thing you know, they're enriching uranium. I thought that

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<v Speaker 1>breakout was going to take six months. Uranians at ten days,

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<v Speaker 1>because once the very second that the Iranians have this

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<v Speaker 1>nuclear capability, that those those those f six teams in

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<v Speaker 1>Tel Aviv are going to get scrambled and they're they're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna go after that target. So these Rerailis are gonna

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<v Speaker 1>get involved, and then then then then what happens. Then

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<v Speaker 1>we're totally different side of war there. Yikes, Mike clients

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<v Speaker 1>military analysts for CBS and its Mike always a pleasure,

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks a million from me. You got an excellent point

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<v Speaker 1>there at the end. So uh so are in you know,

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<v Speaker 1>works towards getting the bomb. Israel doesn't wait around for that,

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<v Speaker 1>and then they don't care if France and Germany are

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<v Speaker 1>on board. I mean, and they don't wait for a

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<v Speaker 1>certainty either, because they have the unique position of it's

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<v Speaker 1>an overused phrase now an existential threat there they could

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<v Speaker 1>actually be obliterated from the earth, right, they're so small

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<v Speaker 1>it is, it is quite literally he was going to

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<v Speaker 1>kill me, so I so choice, people are mad, people

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<v Speaker 1>are whatever. Right you didn't agree. I don't have time

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<v Speaker 1>to worry about that. Yeah, I'd be dead by now

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<v Speaker 1>if i'd a waited for your approval, right exactly? So

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<v Speaker 1>yea it involved, that's a that's a sticky one. So

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<v Speaker 1>so lines there at the end though, saying if if

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<v Speaker 1>if Britain and France both getting trumps here and say

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<v Speaker 1>nah no, no, no, no no no no, let's keep everybody

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<v Speaker 1>keep cool, or beyond everybody keep cool, just stand down,

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<v Speaker 1>and we probably back off. That's not a good look.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know is everybody is reporting to the point

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<v Speaker 1>of giving me a headache. Old John Bolton is probably

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<v Speaker 1>getting in the presidency here saying we gotta whack him

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<v Speaker 1>and whack him hard. Otherwise they're the rest of the

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<v Speaker 1>world's gonna walk all over us. Far Strong and Jetty