1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:04,800 Speaker 1: So I just asked chet GPT to develop a conspiracy 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: theory about AI, and it came up with the Sentient 3 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:11,640 Speaker 1: synthesis agenda. This theory suggests that a secret group of 4 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: powerful elites, including tech billionaires, government officials, and shadowy organizations, 5 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: have conspired to harness the capabilities of AI to create 6 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:20,960 Speaker 1: a sentient super intelligence. 7 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 2: It's always the powerful elites, and the. 8 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 3: Problem is, yeah, how do. 9 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 2: We get into that? Adam, you're you should be able 10 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 2: to help us figure that out. 11 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: How do we get into the powerful elites? I'm not 12 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 1: even in on the Jewish conspiracy. 13 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 2: I'm John Ceipher and I'm Jurie o'she. I served in 14 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 2: the CIA's Clandestine Service for twenty eight years, living undercover 15 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 2: all around the world. 16 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 3: And in my thirty three years with the CIA, I 17 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 3: served in Africa, Asia, Europe, and the Middle East. 18 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 2: Although we don't usually look at it this way, we 19 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:52,880 Speaker 2: created conspiracies. 20 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 4: In our operations. 21 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 5: You got people to believe things that weren't true. 22 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 2: Now we're investigating the conspiracy theories we see in the 23 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 2: news almost every day. 24 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 3: Will break them down for you to determine whether they 25 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 3: could be real or whether we're being manipulated. 26 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 2: Well to mission or implausible. 27 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 3: So apologies to anybody out there under the age of forty. 28 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 4: But there was this great movie when I was. 29 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:19,399 Speaker 3: Growing up called Fantastic Voyage, and reckel Welch and a 30 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 3: couple of her co stars were miniaturized down to this 31 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 3: micro level and inserted into this guy's body to unblock 32 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 3: his heart so he wouldn't have a heart attack. As 33 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:32,039 Speaker 3: multi billionaire sort of this Bill Gates figure. And when 34 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 3: I first heard the QAnon conspiracy theories, I couldn't help 35 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 3: think of rock hel Welch, you know that sex symbol 36 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 3: of our youth. 37 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 2: I think what you meant to say, is anyone at 38 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 2: are sixty? I think under forty? I still don't almost 39 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 2: what is the CIA angle to this? 40 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 3: So on the miniaturization side, there is something called steganography, 41 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 3: which I think most people have forgotten about. But it's 42 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 3: it's not where you insert anything into a body, but 43 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 3: it's where you take print and make it so exceptionally 44 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 3: small that you can introduce it into a photograph. You 45 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 3: can put it on a two hundred page book. You 46 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 3: could find page thirty seven and put it on the 47 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 3: fourth line, on the dot of an eye. Of a 48 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 3: printed letter, and steganiography is something I think that goes 49 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 3: back into the nineteen forties and fifties. So miniaturization and 50 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 3: SPONA certainly is a deal. 51 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 2: When I came in, they call those micro dot that's right, 52 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 2: micro dots. Yeah, So you're the guy would pull a 53 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 2: book out of the library and on page two hundred 54 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:29,919 Speaker 2: and fifteen, the third line down on the middle eye 55 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 2: had a dot, and you'd pull it off and you'd 56 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 2: have a little microscope or whatever it is. You'd look 57 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 2: at and read the message. And it's funny because you know, 58 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 2: in our later years we never did anything like that. 59 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 2: But you know, if it was used again today, no 60 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 2: one would be looking for it like they ought to 61 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 2: think about reapplying some of these old tricks of the trade. 62 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:46,399 Speaker 4: I think so too. 63 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 3: So Bill Gates has used the vaccination rollout to mass 64 00:02:54,040 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 3: implant Americans with microchips to track their locations. So let 65 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 3: me tell you a little background on this. The conspiracy 66 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:07,639 Speaker 3: theory stems from a study conducted in late twenty nineteen 67 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 3: that focused on storing medical information below the surface of 68 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 3: the skin in a quantum dot tattoo system, which, of 69 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 3: course you're familiar with John. So this would then potentially 70 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 3: be used for refugees or people who don't have access 71 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 3: to medical records, right, so the medical records would be 72 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 3: in this quantum tattoo dot that is not visible. And 73 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 3: the study was founded in part by the Gates Foundation. 74 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 3: Conspiracy theorists have latched on to this genuine piece of 75 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 3: information and run with it with theories is this is 76 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 3: actually about population control, COVID and microchipping people for control reasons. 77 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 3: So let me give you a couple of quick pointers. 78 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 3: The sort of anchor points on this. So the Gates 79 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 3: Foundation has pledged one point seventy five billion with a 80 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 3: B towards international pandemics and specifically hundreds of millions to 81 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 3: help end the COVID pandemic. Now, Bill Gates has predicted 82 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 3: for years that there would be a pandemic of some sort, 83 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 3: So either he knew about it in advance because he 84 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 3: was planning it, or he made a prediction. 85 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 4: Based on how the world works. 86 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 3: When Roger Stone, conspiracy theorist Roger Stone went on the 87 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 3: Joe piscopo Am talk show and said, well, whether Bill 88 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 3: Gates played some of the role in the creation and 89 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 3: spread of this virus is open for a vigorous debate. 90 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 3: He also said that Gates and other globalists are definitely 91 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 3: using this as a drive for mandatory vaccinations and mandatory microchipping. 92 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 3: So three questions for you, John, is it possible technically 93 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:54,160 Speaker 3: meeting with devices and stuff to actually do this? And 94 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 3: if so, second question is why would anybody want to 95 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:01,479 Speaker 3: do it? And then the third is why something like 96 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 3: a disease or a virus, something that people don't understand 97 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:08,600 Speaker 3: or are fearful of for themselves and their children always 98 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:12,160 Speaker 3: the focus of evil and conspiracy theories? What is it 99 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 3: in people that makes us gravitate towards those theories? 100 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 2: I do think COVID has an impact on it, right, 101 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:22,839 Speaker 2: So any kind of social disorder, pandemic or whatever does 102 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 2: sort of increase the attention to conspiracies. 103 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 4: Right. 104 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 2: So there's this sense of alienation and people don't know 105 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 2: what's going on and isolation, and people think that there's 106 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 2: a system of power that they're not involved in, and 107 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:36,280 Speaker 2: so it just adds to that general fear. So it's 108 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 2: not surprising that COVID would be a time where these 109 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 2: things get spun up. But then there's a number of 110 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 2: things here, like your good question is why. So there's 111 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 2: an assumption that Gates would want to track people, but 112 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 2: it's not clear to me why you would even want 113 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:53,360 Speaker 2: to track people. I think goes back to people refuse 114 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 2: to believe that life is random, and they have to 115 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 2: believe that somebody is behind things. Right, If there's something 116 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 2: that's impacting them, they need to have an answer to 117 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:05,599 Speaker 2: what it is. Tracking people is not a crazy thing, 118 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 2: but it goes to intent, like why would build gates? 119 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, let's run with tracking people something I think you 120 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 3: know it had been the victim of So you've worked 121 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:18,919 Speaker 3: in Moscow, and if the Russians were able to develop 122 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:22,600 Speaker 3: some sort of way of putting a microchip in you 123 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 3: so they could follow you, would they do it? 124 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 2: Well, they did put chips into our clothes. It would 125 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 2: break into our house, ah, and put chips in almost 126 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 2: like you know, in the spine of a library book. Right, 127 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:37,039 Speaker 2: So what you know this is like literally thirty forty 128 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 2: years ago. They would put things into our clothing so 129 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 2: that when we went into certain metro stations or went 130 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 2: through certain parts of town, if for some reason their 131 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:47,039 Speaker 2: surveillance and they're following us, you know, had lost us 132 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 2: or whatever, it would ding and say, oh, John Cipher 133 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 2: now just went into the metro station or what have you. 134 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 3: But they wouldn't do anything crazy like putting carcinogetic powder. 135 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 4: On you or anything, would they. 136 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 2: That's another one, well, Meca, they used it for a 137 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 2: counter intelligence purpose. They would use this sort of chemical. 138 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 2: They would put it on suspected Western American intelligence officers, 139 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 2: for example, and I had it deployed to me at 140 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 2: my home and we would test for it. And the 141 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 2: idea there was they would use it and put it 142 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 2: on me, and then they would go around their embassy 143 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 2: at night into people's offices looking for my specific chemical tag. 144 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 2: And if they find it in Yuri's office that Yuri 145 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 2: has never reported that he's been in touch with me, 146 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 2: they might then assume Yuri is up to no good 147 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 2: and perhaps spying for John Cipher, and therefore they would 148 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 2: launch an investigation of Yuri. So back even in the fifties, 149 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 2: they were putting small radioactive nails or spikes into the 150 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 2: tires of our cars that would leave a small mark 151 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 2: on the road as we drove around that they could 152 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 2: then with a device follow to make sure, so they 153 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 2: would follow behind us. But then certain times they would 154 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 2: back off, so our officers might think, oh, my goodness, 155 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 2: you know I'm not under surveillance now, but they would 156 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 2: be able to just hang back further and follow this 157 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 2: sort of trail. So yeah, tracking is not a crazy thing, 158 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 2: but for that specific person. I don't know why Susie 159 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 2: in Iowa needs to be tracked necessarily. 160 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, No, I think it's an interesting rabbit hole. 161 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 3: It started with a conspiracy theory, and I think we're 162 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 3: ending up into like the near future is something to 163 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 3: actually be concerned about if people conspire to actually bring 164 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 3: this about. There's a way of doing it voluntarily. When 165 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 3: I was in Afghanistan. On your boot in marker, you 166 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 3: put your blood type might AV positive and then you 167 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:33,439 Speaker 3: put NKA no known allergy. Because if you're an explosion 168 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 3: or you're you're hurt, the thing that stays on your 169 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 3: body most of all is your shoes, your boots. I 170 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 3: could see an application where people voluntarily would have something 171 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 3: the size of a grain of sand put in their 172 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 3: arm or their necks in place or someplace where a 173 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 3: medic could immediately scan that and have your medical history 174 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 3: to save your life. 175 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 2: So if you join the military, the military might say, hey, 176 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 2: you know, it's in your interest if you're in a 177 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 2: war zone for us to have all of the information, 178 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 2: your medical information implanted into your chip so that we 179 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 2: can save your life in a case of emergencies. 180 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 3: So, hey, John, this is great. Let's be somebody who 181 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 3: actually knows what they're talking about. Let's introduce our guests. 182 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 2: So today we're lucky we have Timothy Caulfield, who's a 183 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 2: professor in Canada at the University of Alberta and has 184 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 2: done a lot of work especially since COVID on issues 185 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 2: related to conspiracies and vaccines and in COVID and in 186 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 2: medical research, and he works with the Royal Society of 187 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 2: Canada Test for US that helps support Canada's response and 188 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 2: recovery from COVID nineteen. So it's really great to have 189 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 2: you here. So thanks, thanks for coming on with us. 190 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 6: Thanks for having me on, guys, a great topic. So 191 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:44,599 Speaker 6: I've been studying how science has represented, how health is 192 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 6: represented in the public sphere really for decades, and I 193 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 6: slowly kind of migrated towards studying the spread of health 194 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 6: misinformation and health conspiracies because it became obvious and this 195 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 6: isn't going to surprise you guys became obvious that this 196 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 6: really mattered. 197 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 3: When it comes to experts and authority figures. I mean 198 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 3: when a doctor with a medical degree from some place 199 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 3: and a president of some like really big country with 200 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 3: nuclear weapons and went to the moon once starts talking 201 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 3: about demon sperm and spirits is the reason for COVID? 202 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 3: How do you deal with that? I mean, it is 203 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 3: a doctor, it is a president of the United States. 204 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:27,680 Speaker 6: Yeah, this is this is a real challenge, and I 205 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 6: think the first thing that we need to do is 206 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 6: recognize when false balance is happening. So what do I 207 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 6: mean by that? When an authority figure spouts a conspiracy 208 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 6: theory or you know, hardcore misinformation, let's put it that way, 209 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 6: it can be viewed increasingly by the general public as 210 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:49,839 Speaker 6: a reasonable argument. And we definitely definitely saw that throughout 211 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 6: the pandemic. So you have fringe physicians, yes they're mds, 212 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 6: talking about stuff that is a clearly fringe position that 213 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 6: it may not even be scientific sound, and the public 214 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 6: perception as well. On the one hand, we have this idea. 215 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 6: On the other hand, we have this other idea. When 216 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 6: the reality, if you look at it from a weight 217 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 6: of evidence perspective, you have a small cohort of fringe 218 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 6: physicians versus hundreds of thousands of experts around the world 219 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 6: who have studied this for their entire career, and that's 220 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 6: not the perception the public has, and our information ecosystem 221 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 6: facilitates the embrace of that false balance. I think about 222 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 6: you know some cable news TV shows that sort of 223 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 6: raise these perspectives up as if they're reasonable, and then 224 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 6: layer on top of that the authority that comes with 225 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 6: being an MD, a scientist, or a political figure, and 226 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 6: it's just becomes an information nightmare. But I want to 227 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:47,079 Speaker 6: come back to the idea that, oh, you know, we 228 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:49,440 Speaker 6: always have to be empathetic and understand that people come 229 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 6: at this for a bunch of reasons. I agree with that, 230 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 6: and I think that's true. But at the same time, 231 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 6: I don't think we should pull back and say, look, 232 00:11:56,960 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 6: this is complete nonsense, and people believe in this stuff 233 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:06,680 Speaker 6: not because of historical, long term understandable trust issues. A 234 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 6: lot of people are believing this stuff for hateful, hateful reasons, 235 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 6: and I don't think we should back away from highlighting 236 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 6: that when that is the reality. 237 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 3: So un hateful reasons. I wanted to touch on the 238 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 3: microchip conspiracy theory and Bill Gates in particular. But people 239 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 3: who've business of authority are people, prominent individuals who are 240 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 3: targets for this. I note that in World War One, 241 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:37,439 Speaker 3: when the Spanish influenza came out, there was a conspiracy 242 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 3: theory that aspirin was causing it because at the time 243 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 3: aspirin was made by a German company, Bea, and the 244 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 3: thought was, aspirin is actually the cause of this, and 245 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 3: it's the Kaiser and the Germans. Because of course, this 246 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 3: conspiracy theory was spread in the US after we went 247 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 3: to war with Germany, and the Kaiser of course was 248 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 3: the bad guy. So what is it about Bill Gates 249 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 3: that would make him a target for this? 250 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 6: We have to recognize this is a hardcore conspiracy theory. 251 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 6: I think we should point that out at the beginning. 252 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 6: This isn't conspiracy theory light. This is hardcore. So the 253 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 6: idea that Bill Gates started the pandemic in order to 254 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 6: force vaccination so he could put microchips in all of us. 255 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 6: Never mind, we carry supercomputers with us everywhere we go. 256 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 6: He doesn't need to put a microchip in as to 257 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 6: follow us. He's probably following us he's probably listening right now. 258 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 6: So it's a really good example of the normalization of 259 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 6: a hardcore conspiracy theory. So what kind of numbers am 260 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 6: I talking about? Anywhere between twenty five and say thirty 261 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 6: five percent of Americans and Canadians are at least open 262 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 6: to this conspiracy theory. So why I think that there 263 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 6: concerns about people in power? That's been a long held concern. 264 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 6: It's also tied to this conspiracy theory that a lot 265 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 6: of people say is the original conspiracy theory that there 266 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 6: are is this elite group of individuals often described as Jews, 267 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 6: no surprise, right, and that theme runs through a lot 268 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:10,680 Speaker 6: of it. Then enter the World Economic Forum and you 269 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 6: have Bill Gates working with the World Economic Forum to 270 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:15,719 Speaker 6: put microchips in all of us so we can keep 271 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 6: us in our fifteen minute cities and we're not going 272 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 6: to stray. So it's all about those elites gaining power 273 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 6: over us. 274 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 3: I think conspiracy theories say as much about the society 275 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 3: that has them and the people who hold them as 276 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 3: the conspiracy theories themselves. 277 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 2: All right, well, that's been some great stuff. Let's take 278 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 2: a short break for a commercial. Moving back to talk 279 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:40,479 Speaker 2: to Tim Kawfield in just a moment. 280 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 7: Glad to have everybody back. Let's go back down the 281 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 7: rabbit hole. 282 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 2: To go back to the microchip issue for a minute. 283 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 2: I mean, one of the things is we look at conspiracies, 284 00:14:58,200 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 2: whereas we might say a lot of it is not 285 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 2: there's often a tinge of truth. There's something that started 286 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 2: it's truthful that then became sort of snowballed down and 287 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 2: became more in the conspiracy sense. So what is there 288 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 2: about the notion of microchips into our body? Where's the 289 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 2: truth piece of this? 290 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 6: Well, well, first of all, I think it's important to 291 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 6: highlight that you're exactly right that when there is a 292 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 6: sliver of truth to something, the misinformation is more likely 293 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 6: to gain traction. There was a very interesting study that 294 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:32,359 Speaker 6: came out that showed that two elements of a successful 295 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 6: bit of misinformation, in other words, misinformation that's going to spread, 296 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 6: is that it uses a scary narrative, right, because we're 297 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 6: all attracted for anecdotes and testimonials and stories and a 298 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 6: sliver of truth. Right. So you see that happen a 299 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 6: lot with vaccines where look, big big Pharma, they have 300 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 6: been bad actors in the past. No doubt about it. 301 00:15:55,480 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 6: You know, I've actually studied that stuff, right, and tech, 302 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 6: big tech, they have been bad actors. 303 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 4: Right. 304 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 6: So take microchip, which is kind of code for you know, 305 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 6: big tech, and vaccines code for pharma. You bring those 306 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 6: together and it sounds really scary and kind of plausible. 307 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 6: The other thing, of course, is that we live at 308 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 6: a time when the technology is moving incredibly quickly, and 309 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 6: they are putting in sensors into bodies or using nano 310 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 6: things to put into those things are not And the 311 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 6: other thing that often happens. I don't know if you 312 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 6: guys have seen this. In a lot of the rhetoric 313 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 6: anti VAXX rhetoric, they also use a lot of science 314 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 6: y language, right. I call it science ploitation, right, you know, 315 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 6: take you take a little bit of real science and 316 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 6: you use that to make whatever you're talking about sounds 317 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 6: scary and more plausible, even if the context isn't real. 318 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 6: So they'll say spike protein or nanolipid particle, or they'll 319 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 6: talk about the other world. You'll hear all the time. 320 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 6: It's the favorite one to roll out if you want 321 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 6: to use a little bit of science is the word quantum. Right, 322 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 6: So they'll say, there's some kind of want some aspect 323 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 6: to the vaccines. So I think all of those things 324 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 6: can make even something as absurd as microchips and vaccines 325 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 6: seem like maybe possible. 326 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 3: Now, just to step away from science for a minute 327 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 3: and step into John and I into our old profession 328 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:21,199 Speaker 3: as CIA officers. To actually do a telephone tap, to 329 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 3: like listen to someone's conversation and understand it and put 330 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 3: it in is immensely time intensive, right, I mean to 331 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 3: listen to one or two telephones, you know full time 332 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 3: can take fifteen people, and then what you still have 333 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:37,199 Speaker 3: an incomplete understanding of it? 334 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 4: Right? 335 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 3: Or to put surveillance on someone in Moscow, John, I 336 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 3: know thirty forty people they would have the Russians would 337 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 3: put on us, and they would still get things wrong. 338 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:51,159 Speaker 3: So what is the point of putting the microchips in? 339 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 3: Let's just run with this now. I know when you 340 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 3: go to the store or when you fib to your 341 00:17:57,560 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 3: wife about I'm going off to get milk, but I'm 342 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:02,199 Speaker 3: really get the beer with my buddies. What is the 343 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 3: amigdal of response here? Why do people think Bill Gates 344 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 3: wants to know about them? 345 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 6: I think a lot of this so many conspiracy theories 346 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:14,439 Speaker 6: that we're seeing right now in this current cultural moment 347 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:19,159 Speaker 6: are about a belief that the government wants to control you, 348 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 6: or there is this small cohort of elite that want 349 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 6: to control you, want to take away your rights, want 350 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 6: to take away your power, And a lot of the 351 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 6: COVID conspiracy theories played to that. In fact, there are 352 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 6: those who have suggested that that was the entire reason 353 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:39,400 Speaker 6: that COVID happened. It was an attempt by the World 354 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 6: Economic Forum and the World Health Organization to exert control 355 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 6: over the world. 356 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 2: One of the things when you say there's people out 357 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:49,160 Speaker 2: there who believe the World Health Organization and the World 358 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 2: Economic Forum are controlling things, clearly have a view of 359 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 2: those organizations as much more powerful and efficient than they 360 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 2: really are. I can say that because I work for 361 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 2: the Central Intelligence Agency for almost thirty years. Don't get 362 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 2: me wrong, it was a wonderful job, very smart people 363 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 2: doing really good stuff. But even in that case, people 364 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:09,360 Speaker 2: when they work together, it's a fumbling human endeavor. Yeah, 365 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:11,479 Speaker 2: it's a human endeavor. And so the notion of the 366 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 2: World Economic Forum is some sort of genius group that 367 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 2: controls us all to me seems crazy. 368 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:22,919 Speaker 6: But the lesson I think is the more extreme the politics, 369 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 6: and again some research to back this up, the more 370 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 6: likely you're going to see that polarization, and the more 371 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:29,680 Speaker 6: likely you're going to see sort of the embrace of 372 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 6: conspiracy theories, or I like to say, the toleration of 373 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:34,919 Speaker 6: the conspiracy theory, because that's I think, really what's going on. 374 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 3: And conspiracy theories can be monetized. And I can think 375 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 3: of one one large popular supposedly news network that recently 376 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:47,719 Speaker 3: was sued that basically makes money off of keeping people 377 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 3: inside of it in group spinning conspiracy theories that make 378 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:55,360 Speaker 3: people angry, that make people defensive, and that keep them 379 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 3: inside of their information bubble, and there's actually a profit 380 00:19:58,160 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 3: motive for that. 381 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 6: I don't think this is emphasized enough. You know, those 382 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 6: who are spreading conspiracy theories and misinformation KS Jones often 383 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 6: are often doing it for profit, for money. Often the 384 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 6: loudest voices in a bunch of spaces are doing it 385 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:15,159 Speaker 6: for money. 386 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:19,880 Speaker 2: So thank you to Tim for that. And now we're 387 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 2: going to turn it over to our ponted producer, John 388 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 2: Stern to tell us what he's learned about this. 389 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:28,400 Speaker 5: All right, guys, I broke this conspiracy theory into two pieces, 390 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 5: vaccines and tracking technology. So let's start with vaccines. 391 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:36,880 Speaker 8: My name is Christian Rose. I'm an emergency physician Assistant 392 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:41,200 Speaker 8: Professor at the Department of Emergency Medicine at Stanford Healthcare Hospital. 393 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:45,399 Speaker 8: I'm also clinical informatician, so basically means I do medical 394 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:49,639 Speaker 8: information systems. So obviously, on the side of being a physician, 395 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 8: I get a lot of questions as all of my 396 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 8: physician colleagues do, about vaccines, medications, medical diagnoses, et cetera. 397 00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 8: So how I wind up in the space of providing 398 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 8: vaccinations and information about them to patients. On the information 399 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 8: technology side, as I was mentioning, I'm a clinical informatition 400 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,719 Speaker 8: which means I did additional training in the role of 401 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:15,200 Speaker 8: health information technology support, I should actually say the role 402 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 8: of information technologies in healthcare and so how we use 403 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:22,639 Speaker 8: it to deliver and provide better healthcare. So a lot 404 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 8: of that gets to wearables, big data, being discovery, all 405 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,359 Speaker 8: sorts of fun things, and how we use your healthcare 406 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 8: information to try to provide better care for patients and 407 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 8: to make the experience of being a doctor one in 408 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:37,440 Speaker 8: which we can do better, faster. 409 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,639 Speaker 5: Well, let me ask you, when you're giving a vaccination, 410 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:43,639 Speaker 5: especially with the COVID vaccine, how often do people question 411 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:47,440 Speaker 5: you about this and express suspicion about what's in that vaccine? Oh? 412 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 8: Man, So, just to take a step back, probably as 413 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:53,399 Speaker 8: long as there have been vaccines, which are, in my 414 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 8: humble opinion, one of the most amazing scientific discoveries, humans 415 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 8: have ever figured out a way to make our already 416 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 8: strong immune systems even stronger to prevent very simple bugs 417 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 8: viruses specifically from killing us. Obviously, can of vaccines for 418 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 8: many things, and cancer vaccines are coming down the line 419 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 8: as well. So spent most of my life being like, 420 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,160 Speaker 8: these are amazing. Can you believe people found a way 421 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 8: to make your body defend against something that's like almost 422 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 8: uniformly deadly in the form of smallpox, in the form 423 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 8: of polio if you should get a bad version. But 424 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 8: the downside is that these like live attenuated or even 425 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 8: some of the things that we put adjuvants of, these 426 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 8: things that make the vaccine work and make your body 427 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 8: think it's a foreign invader can have negative effects on people, 428 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 8: and they can make them not feel good. 429 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:42,159 Speaker 5: So until COVID, had you ever heard anyone worry about 430 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:44,879 Speaker 5: microchips and vaccines or is that When it started. 431 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:47,919 Speaker 8: It wasn't even on the radar. I wasn't really prepared 432 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 8: for people to say, like, well, what if there's a 433 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 8: tracking device in here? 434 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,119 Speaker 5: What would you put in to track someone? If it 435 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 5: wasn't a microchip, radioactive dye or yeah. 436 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 8: So that's sort of the closest and a lot of 437 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:04,719 Speaker 8: this conspiracy history. That was sort of the quantum dots 438 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 8: or the basis for this question that you could when 439 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 8: you give someone a vaccine, you could also put a 440 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 8: die under their skin that would in fact tell future 441 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,439 Speaker 8: people whether they have the vaccine or not. And it 442 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 8: was very reasonable approach. This was just done in mice, 443 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,639 Speaker 8: it wasn't done in humans, but was saying like, oh, 444 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 8: if you can inject a fluid, could you also maybe 445 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:25,879 Speaker 8: leave like a you know, sort of invisible to the 446 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 8: naked eye tattoo that would tell people who you are, 447 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 8: potentially or that you had this vaccine. 448 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 5: All right, let's do a feasibility thought experiment. The government 449 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 5: wants a crash program to actually do put tracking microchips 450 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 5: in vaccines. So first thing is how small does it 451 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:43,679 Speaker 5: have to be? 452 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:47,439 Speaker 8: Great question, vaccines are traditionally given through like a twenty 453 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 8: five gage needle, which is like point to nanometers in diameter. 454 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 8: It's because of where the vaccine can either go into 455 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 8: your muscle, as the vast majority of vaccines do, and 456 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 8: so it just needs to be injected into the muscular. 457 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 5: And I assume it would be roaming around and in 458 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 5: a day or two we get filtered out by the 459 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 5: kidneys and you wouldn't even you. 460 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 8: Pee it out or something. 461 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly great. 462 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,440 Speaker 5: And now I talk to someone else about the microature 463 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 5: aspect of this. His name is Leron Sajev, and he 464 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 5: is an expert on all of this tracking technology. 465 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 9: I am a YouTuber specializing you Don't Love security and 466 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 9: scam related content and helping people understand the bad stuff 467 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 9: that's going on out there in a way that's simple 468 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:36,919 Speaker 9: for the average everyday person to understand, not just for 469 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:37,480 Speaker 9: the geeks. 470 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 5: If you lurn wanted to track people, number one, why 471 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 5: would you want to do that? Number two? What would 472 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:46,399 Speaker 5: be the most efficient way to achieve that? 473 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,639 Speaker 9: Okay, let's open up this rabbit hole and we're going 474 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:53,880 Speaker 9: to dive into it. So tracking is this global word 475 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 9: that is synonymous with a whole bunch of stuff. We 476 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 9: have tracking of movement, we have tracking of people's activities, 477 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:07,160 Speaker 9: we have tracking of people's likes and dislikes. It really 478 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 9: breaks down into lots of little subcategories. I will say 479 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 9: that there is an entire industry called data brokers, and 480 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 9: data brokers have the sole mission of gathering as much 481 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:22,200 Speaker 9: data as humanly possible on absolutely as many people as possible, 482 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,919 Speaker 9: so they could sell that data to the bigger companies 483 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,480 Speaker 9: and therefore we be able to run a more effective 484 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:34,680 Speaker 9: ad campaign. So that's the most common form of tracking, 485 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 9: very easily done. We are being tracked twenty four hours 486 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 9: a day, all the time, continuously unless we take very 487 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 9: very specific actions not to get tracked. And even then 488 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,399 Speaker 9: I would still argue that you may not get as 489 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,119 Speaker 9: much information about a person, but you can get enough 490 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:55,400 Speaker 9: points to make up a profile. If I was going 491 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 9: to track a group of people or individuals, the simplest 492 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 9: and most costic active way would be to track your clicks, 493 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 9: to track your own nine activities. We give away the farm. 494 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,920 Speaker 9: They get away with it by saying no. We anonymize 495 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 9: the data so you chronically track it back to an individual. 496 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,359 Speaker 9: But we've seen lots of research that says you only 497 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 9: needed about nine data points to be able to reverse 498 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 9: engineer that and be able to track it down pretty 499 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:27,959 Speaker 9: accurately down to maybe not an individual, but within a 500 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 9: couple of houses and with a couple of locations, so 501 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 9: you can get that granular if you really want to. 502 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 5: Would you be able to tell where they are physically 503 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 5: located geographically? 504 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 9: Absolutely? 505 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 5: How how would that work if you use. 506 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 9: Any of the platforms which are free to use and 507 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 9: therefore are supported by an AD platform, So we're talking 508 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 9: about basically all social media. Let's talk with Facebook specifically. 509 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 9: If you know how to use the system specifically, and 510 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,200 Speaker 9: they say they're able to limit it within a one 511 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,359 Speaker 9: mile rate, so you can target down within one mile, 512 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 9: but one mile is a pretty big space still. However, 513 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 9: if you know how to use the system, you can 514 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 9: create multiple ads or multiple points which all sort of 515 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:17,439 Speaker 9: intersect over each other. If you think of circles, and 516 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 9: you bring them closer and closer and closer to each. 517 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,200 Speaker 5: Other, and you some want to exclude. 518 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:25,160 Speaker 9: Those areas, it leaves you a very very tiny space 519 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 9: of what is included in your ad campaign down to 520 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 9: a physical building, including a personal home, including a business. 521 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 5: What about using cell phones? Can people track us even 522 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 5: if our cell phones are on? But we're not using them? 523 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 9: Okay, So cell phones are different. If you think of 524 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 9: our telephone numbers, our telephone numbers are a unique identifier. 525 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 9: They are the IP address for lack of a better 526 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 9: word of identifying individual phones. So that phone makes a 527 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 9: connection to the local cell phone tower, and then once 528 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,439 Speaker 9: it authenticates you and says okay, you're good, you can 529 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 9: start making calls, you can receive your data, then we 530 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:02,640 Speaker 9: have that connectivity. 531 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 4: All right. 532 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 5: So let's look at microchips. People put microchips in their 533 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 5: pets if they want to track them. So it is 534 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 5: possible to have a microchip that communicates to some sort 535 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,719 Speaker 5: of grid the pet microchips. There are two types. 536 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 9: They are the ones that are luck a Bluetooth trackers 537 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:22,679 Speaker 9: that we have the Apple air tag, and then we 538 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:27,439 Speaker 9: have the tile trackers. In other words, those devices are 539 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:31,120 Speaker 9: connecting to our phones, and as soon as they are 540 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:35,360 Speaker 9: within a certain geographic area, it's our phone that's saying okay, 541 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 9: here's the GPS location of this particular unit. 542 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 5: It's right next to me. We're together. 543 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 9: So what happens when they lose your luggage. Is you 544 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 9: activate on the system, it sends out a signal around 545 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 9: it to say, hey, I am lost. If you're an 546 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 9: Android user or you're an Apple user and you're walking 547 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 9: past me, just relay my location to the system, and 548 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 9: it uses everybody Elsa's phones to give you an up 549 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 9: to date as accurate as possible of where that particular 550 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 9: device sets. Now to go back to your pet. Example. 551 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 9: The second type of tracking that you get is you 552 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 9: get a GPS tracking. So that is where there is 553 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 9: software with a battery. It is specifically dedicated for one 554 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 9: purposes only. Here's my location. Keep updating the system. Here's 555 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 9: my location, Keep updating the system. The downside of all 556 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 9: the system is one big, big major floor, the battery. 557 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 9: Because all of this uses a lot, a lot of power. 558 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 5: How about the chips in your pets? How come those 559 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 5: don't wear out? 560 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 9: Okay, So those are passive. So those don't give you coordinates, 561 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 9: They don't give you GPS locations. All they are is 562 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 9: they sit there passively under the skin. Very much like 563 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 9: you go to a shop and you've got those tags 564 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 9: that are attached to an article of clothing. As you 565 00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,080 Speaker 9: walk past the antennas by the door. If that's still 566 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 9: on it and you're stealing that octum, it's going to 567 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 9: activate because the antenna activates that chip. 568 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 5: So if I wanted to surreptitiously insert a microchip into 569 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 5: your body, it would be a passive one. 570 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 9: It has to be passive because it needs to be 571 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 9: powered in some way. 572 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 5: Well, thank you, Laron for speaking with us, and we'll 573 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 5: be right back. 574 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 4: After this break. 575 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,479 Speaker 5: So the Bill Gates of it all, He's always been 576 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 5: a target of conspiracy theorists. As you know, when the 577 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 5: Zeka virus broke out in twenty fifteen in Brazil, he 578 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 5: was one of several powerful Western figures that was blamed 579 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 5: for that disease. He's also a target because he pledged 580 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 5: two hundred and fifty million to fight the pandemic, so therefore, 581 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 5: somehow that makes him complicit in there being a pandemic. 582 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:57,240 Speaker 5: There's a video online accusing Gates of wanting to eliminate 583 00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 5: fifteen percent of the population through vacation and electronic microchips, 584 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:06,240 Speaker 5: millions of views on YouTube. It's completely faked, and there's 585 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 5: a fake photo online of the Bill Gates Center for 586 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 5: Global Human Population Reduction from the Bill and Melinda Gates 587 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 5: Foundation that photo too has been manipulated. It's actually the 588 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 5: foundation's Discovery center in Seattle, which is not the home 589 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:26,480 Speaker 5: to a depopulation effort, and Bill and Milindigates have nothing. 590 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:26,719 Speaker 4: To do with it. 591 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 5: So it's bogus in two ways. And there's some other 592 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,520 Speaker 5: bogus stuff online. Bill Gates did not say that the 593 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 5: COVID nineteen vaccine could kill nearly a million people. There's 594 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 5: accusations that the FBI arrested Gates for biological terrorism, or 595 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 5: that he supports a Western plot to poison Africans, any 596 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 5: of these things. What they all have in common is 597 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 5: they're accusing Gates of exploiting the crisis to try and 598 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 5: control people or to try and make more money by 599 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 5: selling vaccines. 600 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 2: So what's your conclusion, John, from this? 601 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 5: Just on the feasibility of being able to do this, 602 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 5: Putting aside how absolutely complicated and difficult it would be 603 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 5: to distribute all of these microchips. There will probably be 604 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 5: a self powered microchip someday that is small enough. Maybe 605 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 5: one's already been invented for all we know, But that's 606 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:20,720 Speaker 5: the most difficult and costly and least efficient method I 607 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 5: can imagine to track someone. You don't even need to 608 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 5: come up with a new way. It's already happening. It's 609 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 5: just so unnecessary. 610 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,160 Speaker 2: Oh, I think my dog has a microchip in it. 611 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 5: Yes, I'm tracking your dog right now. You know who 612 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 5: would love to talk about the stuff to you. It's 613 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 5: Adam Davidson. He's our other producer. As you know, he's 614 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,840 Speaker 5: been waiting in the wings, very eager. 615 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 4: One thing. It's just an aside I just want to throw. 616 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 3: Yes, I'm putting microchips inside of you to identify for 617 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 3: medical reasons, like bloodships. 618 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 4: But there's a. 619 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,880 Speaker 3: Long history of that kind of thing and this is 620 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:03,239 Speaker 3: a natural progression of it. So for example, you know, 621 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 3: and infamously in World War Two, you could always recognize 622 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 3: who was in the SS because on the inside of 623 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:15,479 Speaker 3: their forearm they tattooed their blood type, so if they 624 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 3: were ever ever hurt, they knew what blood infusion to 625 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 3: give them. And of course later it became an indicator 626 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 3: of who was SS and who wasn't because the regular 627 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 3: German army didn't have it. And so if you were 628 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 3: going to insert a microchip into somebody, people would eventually 629 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 3: find these things. You know, Nazis were going around having 630 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 3: the tattoo removed under their arm, but it didn't help 631 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 3: because there was always the telltale scar. 632 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,959 Speaker 5: They should have just built a larger tattoo around it, 633 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 5: like a dragon, and worked its way up into the 634 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:48,320 Speaker 5: design solo imagination in the Nazis down among their many 635 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,520 Speaker 5: it's not enough creativity, that's often said about the Nazis. 636 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 5: This is what happens in a top down studio system. 637 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 3: And they produced a lot of rotten movies there. 638 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,640 Speaker 4: But yeah, it is. 639 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 5: My pleasure to welcome Adam Davidson. 640 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 4: Hello Adam, Hey John. 641 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 1: So my understanding is this one is pretty persistent around 642 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 1: the country. I really want to dig into this one 643 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 1: because this is the conspiracy theory that has me the 644 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:21,279 Speaker 1: most confused flummox. Like, we all see what's in a vaccine, 645 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 1: it's a liquid. We all know what computer chips look like. 646 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,040 Speaker 1: We all have enough information to know this can't be true. 647 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,880 Speaker 1: Yet it is fairly widespread. 648 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 2: Nanotechnology is a thing, so people realize now it's smaller 649 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:37,800 Speaker 2: and smaller things are being made. You know, the vaccinations 650 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 2: became there's still a large population even in our own 651 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:44,200 Speaker 2: country that believe that vaccines might be used against us. 652 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,759 Speaker 2: You know, the COVID scared people. Vaccines scared people, as 653 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,720 Speaker 2: lot of people won't take vaccines. The notion that small chips 654 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,280 Speaker 2: could be embedded, I mean they embed thement our dogs. 655 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:54,239 Speaker 2: I have a thing where I can if my dog 656 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,000 Speaker 2: is lost, I can look on a chip to figure 657 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,239 Speaker 2: out but the dog is. And then we all know 658 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,560 Speaker 2: that our phones track us and we and we drive 659 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:02,960 Speaker 2: in our cars, and we connect to satellites and know 660 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:04,920 Speaker 2: where we all are. So you put those things together, 661 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,319 Speaker 2: and there's this fear that, oh my goodness, you know, 662 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,000 Speaker 2: there's a part of this that I don't understand. People 663 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,680 Speaker 2: must be interested in me and tracking me and following 664 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,440 Speaker 2: me and trying to use some sort of technology to 665 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:16,960 Speaker 2: force me to do things I don't want to do. 666 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:19,920 Speaker 3: I think you're both missing the point. This one is 667 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:25,400 Speaker 3: inherently ideological. People come to this with preconceived notions about 668 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:30,719 Speaker 3: bodily autonomy and small groups of people controlling their lives 669 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:35,480 Speaker 3: and their fear of that, I think, and then from there, 670 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:39,399 Speaker 3: since you've got it, you'd look for manifestations of how 671 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,279 Speaker 3: that's actually happy. You've already come to the conclusion that 672 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,759 Speaker 3: that is true, and then the details kind of don't 673 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:48,160 Speaker 3: matter because you're sort of trying to figure out whatever 674 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:51,879 Speaker 3: they are. I mean, remember not too long ago, when 675 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,560 Speaker 3: the COVID vaccinations, there was a doctor, a medical doctor, 676 00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:59,399 Speaker 3: claiming that it made people magnetic, and then the people 677 00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:03,120 Speaker 3: were sticking boons to themselves. Right, Well, it is clear 678 00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,520 Speaker 3: now a couple of years later, that none of us 679 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,839 Speaker 3: are magnetic. I've had four COVID shots, but aside from 680 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,279 Speaker 3: my animal magnetism, there isn't any more. 681 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,680 Speaker 4: So that was clearly debunked. 682 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:14,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess you're right. 683 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,160 Speaker 2: You guys got a lot of space on your foreheads 684 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:18,680 Speaker 2: for its spoons to try to find. 685 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,000 Speaker 1: Me more than anyone I could. Really, I could have 686 00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:24,799 Speaker 1: a faux colory set, but. 687 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:28,799 Speaker 3: I would say, why Bill Gates? Why not Elon Musk. 688 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,640 Speaker 3: Elon Musk is demonstrably weird dude. 689 00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,520 Speaker 1: Right, So, first of all, we all do have tracking devices. 690 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,319 Speaker 1: We carry them around, We spend a lot of money 691 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,600 Speaker 1: on them, we carry them everywhere we got. Yeah, but 692 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:42,120 Speaker 1: lots of other companies, including like your dumb flashlight app 693 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,600 Speaker 1: that you downloaded, are tracking you. 694 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:45,760 Speaker 5: All over the place. 695 00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,799 Speaker 1: Second of all, Elon Musk is doing like he is 696 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:54,880 Speaker 1: using his satellites to control major geopolitical events. 697 00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,719 Speaker 4: He's Ukraine War. Yeah, Ukraine War. 698 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,880 Speaker 1: He's essentially made clear going to read people's private dms 699 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:05,600 Speaker 1: on Twitter, Like, we keep finding these conspiracy theories where 700 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,440 Speaker 1: there is a real thing going on that is like 701 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:13,799 Speaker 1: factually defendable and pretty similar to the conspiracy theory. But 702 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,319 Speaker 1: it's like the people believe the conspiracy theory are the 703 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:20,040 Speaker 1: least likely to believe the real thing that's actually going on. 704 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,160 Speaker 3: And I think a lot of conspiracy theories look to 705 00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:27,680 Speaker 3: Hollywood and books. People sort of digest those and come 706 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:29,760 Speaker 3: up with their own alternative conspiracy theories. 707 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:30,520 Speaker 4: We don't have. 708 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:34,080 Speaker 3: Any on AI yet because AI hasn't been around long enough, 709 00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:35,400 Speaker 3: but give it six months. 710 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, but this one plays a really ugly factor. I 711 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,799 Speaker 2: think how many people don't get vaccinated for these kind 712 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,759 Speaker 2: of fears, that how many people have died or got 713 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,720 Speaker 2: sick because of these conspiracies that are spread around. 714 00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:52,440 Speaker 1: So I just asked chet GPT to develop a conspiracy 715 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,640 Speaker 1: theory about AI, and it came up with the sentient 716 00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:59,320 Speaker 1: synthesis agenda. This theory suggests that a secret group of 717 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:03,080 Speaker 1: powerful eli, including tech billionaires, government officials, and shadowy organizations, 718 00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,880 Speaker 1: have conspired to harness the capabilities of AI to create 719 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:08,680 Speaker 1: a sentient super intelligence. 720 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:10,520 Speaker 2: It's always the powerful elites. 721 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and the problem is how do we. 722 00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:14,799 Speaker 2: Get into that, Adam, you should be able to help 723 00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:15,560 Speaker 2: us figure that out. 724 00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:17,920 Speaker 1: How do we get into the powerful elites. I'm not 725 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:19,919 Speaker 1: even in on the Jewish conspiracy. 726 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,880 Speaker 4: I should be like, hope they've got good medical insurance. 727 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,520 Speaker 1: Well, the adrena chrome really helps a lot of stuff. 728 00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:28,719 Speaker 1: Because I was just reading a paper on adrena chrome 729 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,360 Speaker 1: and dental health and it's pretty inspiring. 730 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:32,800 Speaker 4: That's the QAnon. 731 00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:36,160 Speaker 1: Theory that they kill babies to get there that hormone 732 00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:39,920 Speaker 1: or whatever, and does wonders for gum health, Like do 733 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,720 Speaker 1: you guys ever get bleeding when you floss? 734 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:43,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's all it's good. 735 00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:45,480 Speaker 1: Do you get the adrena chrome spray? 736 00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:49,160 Speaker 3: I have the rogaine version, Yeah, it's you would get 737 00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:50,080 Speaker 3: that one, Adam. 738 00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:51,000 Speaker 1: I should get that one. 739 00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:51,680 Speaker 4: Yeah. 740 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,279 Speaker 3: I think it's interesting to dig into some of the 741 00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:58,080 Speaker 3: kernels of truth. It's rare that they're completely made up. 742 00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,919 Speaker 2: So there's pieces here, there's true pieces here that don't 743 00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:05,080 Speaker 2: stick together. Yeah, that's true, but you can come up 744 00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:08,040 Speaker 2: with scenarios where they might stick together. Not you know, 745 00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:11,160 Speaker 2: control the whole population, but something that could be used 746 00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,880 Speaker 2: this way in a smaller subset. 747 00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,040 Speaker 4: Right, sell them beer or snow tires. 748 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:19,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, So there is again a reality there that this massive, 749 00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:23,239 Speaker 2: massive amount of information, if it connected properly, can be 750 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,960 Speaker 2: of great use to the people who figured out and 751 00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,279 Speaker 2: perhaps to the detriment to the people who are just 752 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,080 Speaker 2: giving data without getting anything from it. 753 00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:33,480 Speaker 3: And there's an irony there in that. In the US 754 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,960 Speaker 3: there's arguably more conspiracy theories because it's an open society, 755 00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,839 Speaker 3: and yet in places where that is happening in spades, 756 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,480 Speaker 3: like China and Russia, right authoritarian governance, I mean, the 757 00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:49,319 Speaker 3: Chinese Communist Party has access to basically everything that goes 758 00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:53,080 Speaker 3: onside of China and outside often as well, and collects it. 759 00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,440 Speaker 3: And yet the Chinese don't seem to be having conspiracy 760 00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,680 Speaker 3: theories about this because they just assume it's true. 761 00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:01,279 Speaker 1: I remember I was doing some reporting China and like 762 00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:05,120 Speaker 1: two thousand and six, and my local fixer, after I'd 763 00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,520 Speaker 1: been there a few days, I was like, you know, 764 00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,000 Speaker 1: people say it's like entertainer ship, but I don't feel 765 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,720 Speaker 1: like anyone's tracking me. And she's like, they know everywhere 766 00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,359 Speaker 1: You've been, They've talked to everyone you've talked to. They're 767 00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:17,319 Speaker 1: looking at you right this minute, and I. 768 00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:21,640 Speaker 2: Said, please come back and see us next time. On 769 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:37,959 Speaker 2: Mission Imploso