1 00:00:01,880 --> 00:00:02,599 Speaker 1: Ron an Anian. 2 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:05,800 Speaker 2: I'm noticing the car count is down, but the size 3 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 2: of the repair is way up, and it's climbing every 4 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 2: day every week. 5 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 3: You know, we're seeing sicker cars the car. 6 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 2: Doctor, till we measure it against what's the alternator's rate? 7 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:35,199 Speaker 2: It out it's a hard question to answer safely. Does 8 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:35,840 Speaker 2: that make sense? 9 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 4: Total sense? 10 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 5: And thank you so much. 11 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 4: I think I'll stare on the side of cautionience and 12 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:43,200 Speaker 4: only do the charging when I'm driving. 13 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:47,199 Speaker 1: Welcome to the radio home of ron Ananium, the Car Doctor. 14 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:50,559 Speaker 1: Since nineteen ninety one, this is where car owners the 15 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: world overturned to for their definitive opinion on automotive repair. 16 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 1: If your mechanics giving you a busy signal, pick up 17 00:00:58,200 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 1: the phone and call in. 18 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 2: The garage doors are open, but I am here to 19 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:06,040 Speaker 2: take their call at eight five five five set nine hundred. 20 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 1: And nae running. 21 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 2: You know, it gets harder and harder fixing cars, and 22 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 2: you have to be smarter and smarter. It's it's not 23 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 2: a business where you can just sit on your backside 24 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 2: and say, well, I fixed three cars last week, what 25 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 2: are you going to do for me? Now? The industry, 26 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 2: the business, the cars are always testing you and always 27 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:34,040 Speaker 2: pushing you harder and harder. We had a twenty fifteen 28 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 2: Toyota Ta Coma in the shop this week, towed in 29 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 2: and it was a It was a crank no start condition, 30 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 2: and diagnosis took us to the point that it was 31 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 2: in the fuel pump area, likely a fuel pump, but 32 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 2: I have to prove it because in order to put 33 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 2: a fuel pump in this car, I've got two choices. 34 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 2: I'm either lowering the tank, which is sort of rusted 35 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 2: in place. If you've ever been to New Jersey in 36 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 2: the winter, we have this stuff called snow. It's cold, 37 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 2: it's wet, and they put this chemical down that tends 38 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 2: to rot things and make it all into one. So 39 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 2: you can't really take things apart easily. So I'd have 40 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 2: to face the rust and corrosion of eleven years of 41 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:13,639 Speaker 2: New Jersey winters. Or I could take the bed off 42 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 2: the truck, which actually was easier. It was easier for 43 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:19,399 Speaker 2: us to remove the bed and attack it that way 44 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 2: from the top, so you go through wiring. Now, Toyota 45 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 2: does it a little different than most. They've got to 46 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 2: circuit open relay, a fuel pump, relay, an EFI main relay, 47 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 2: and they also have a fuel pump resistor. And what 48 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 2: they're doing is they're they're either on one side of 49 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 2: the resistor or the other to speed the pump up 50 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 2: or slow it down to depending upon condition. They were 51 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 2: electrically changing available voltage supply power supply to the pump 52 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 2: to alter its speed. They're not doing it by duty cycle. 53 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 2: A lot of manufacturers do a duty cycle. They turn 54 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 2: the pump on and off, on and off on a 55 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 2: off pulse with they'll do a bunch of different controls. 56 00:02:57,560 --> 00:02:59,639 Speaker 2: Toyota's just you're either on this side or that side. 57 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 2: That's it. But if you read the wiring diagram, coming 58 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 2: off pin four of the fuel pump relay is a 59 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:10,519 Speaker 2: black red wire that runs down to the pump. Now 60 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 2: coming off of pin four. Also right at the same 61 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 2: spot where the wire goes right to the pump, it 62 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 2: goes to the one leg of the resistor. So as 63 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 2: part of my diagnosis, I verified do I or don't 64 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 2: I have power at the fuel pump resistor. 65 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 5: I did. 66 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:31,919 Speaker 2: During cranking, I had about ten point eight volts, and 67 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 2: ten point eight volts is enough because I'm considering the 68 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 2: vults is drop across the resistor. There's some consumption there. 69 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 2: And I wasn't gonna sit down and do the math 70 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 2: at that point because it was still within range that 71 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 2: it should turn on the pump, provided the pump is good, 72 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 2: and provided I had continuity on the other leg of 73 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 2: the black red wire running down to the pump, and 74 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 2: that I had ground, and ground was easy enough to 75 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 2: check because it was right there, steering you in the face. 76 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 2: They just came right off the pump and it went 77 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 2: right to the chassis. Chassis ground. 78 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:00,040 Speaker 1: O. 79 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 2: I you know, I started looking around, and then I 80 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 2: got on the subject of, you know, could I have 81 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 2: in a mobilizer issue problem because and this is the 82 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 2: other thing you have to know about Toyota, right, Toyota 83 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 2: is a little more complicated in a lot of ways 84 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 2: because they have they have a mobilizer system which will 85 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:18,840 Speaker 2: put the vehicle into fuel cut. A mobilizer is their 86 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 2: anti theft and they have two forms of fuel cut. 87 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 2: They have an anti theft fuel cut, meaning that if 88 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 2: you stick a screwdriver in the key slot and try 89 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 2: to jam the block cylinder forward, it's going to go 90 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 2: Wait a minute, that's not the key. I don't see 91 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 2: the digital chip. I'm not allowing fuel pump to operate, 92 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 2: or if the engine, for example, if engine temperature exceeds 93 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:42,160 Speaker 2: two hundred and forty five degrees, it's going to shut 94 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 2: the engine down because it's going to say, hey, you're 95 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 2: about to overheat and damage the engine take away fuel. 96 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 2: So could I be in fuel cut now before I 97 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:55,159 Speaker 2: go through and lower a tank or take a bed off? Ah, 98 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:57,279 Speaker 2: you know what, I just I just want to see. 99 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:01,480 Speaker 2: So I looked at it, and I've got to tell you. 100 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 2: I took out my snap On scan tool was the 101 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 2: first one I reached for, and it said, yes, I'm 102 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 2: in fuel cut. And I kind of looked at that, 103 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 2: and I said, well, I'm in fuel cut. And then 104 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 2: I started to think about it, and I said, well, 105 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 2: how can I be in fuel cut if I've got 106 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 2: voltage on the black red going to the fuel pump resistor, 107 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 2: which if I go up and down the other side 108 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 2: of the leg, I've got to have twelve vaults there. 109 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 2: The question is was it getting twelve volts to the 110 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 2: pump or was there something else going on here? So 111 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:35,279 Speaker 2: I took out my Opus scan tool and I was 112 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 2: able to get a completely different reading than what the 113 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:41,559 Speaker 2: snap On said I got a reading that made sense 114 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 2: that said I'm not in fuel cut. So now I've 115 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 2: got two top level tools. One's giving me an answer 116 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 2: that makes sense and the other one is not. So 117 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:55,840 Speaker 2: I did the next best thing. I called up Opus 118 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:59,600 Speaker 2: and we got together and Marlon and I we installed 119 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:02,239 Speaker 2: he and Old, I should say Marlin, he installed Toyota 120 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 2: factory software on my scan tool and it got the 121 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 2: same reading as what the Opus said. So therefore, factory 122 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:15,359 Speaker 2: tool Opus both say yes snap On incorrect information and 123 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:18,479 Speaker 2: no knock against snap On. But there's something about the 124 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:22,359 Speaker 2: way it's updating that it didn't update the information correctly. 125 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 2: And I'm not saying never buy a snap On. I'm 126 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:26,719 Speaker 2: just saying you've got to have more than one tool today, 127 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 2: and you've got to have that. You've got to know 128 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 2: that you know what you're looking at, maybe lying to you. 129 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 2: And the fact is, I've never really had a scenario 130 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 2: where I had an improper or what I thought was 131 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 2: an improper signal or information out of an immobilizer unit 132 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 2: like this. So I'm looking at a broken car trying 133 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 2: to make judgments. Never never judge a broken car, all right, 134 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 2: Never learn from a broken car. You always want to 135 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:52,799 Speaker 2: try and test against a broken car. That's the key. 136 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 2: So I, okay, I've got a mobile, I don't have 137 00:06:56,760 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 2: an a mobilizer event, I've got power on the black Red. 138 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 2: Decided to pull the bed. I pulled the bed off, 139 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 2: and I had power at the black Red. Going down 140 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:08,160 Speaker 2: to the pump, I had the ground was working. As 141 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 2: a matter of fact, we've got a video coming out, 142 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 2: and I'm going to apologize for it ahead of time 143 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 2: because I'm not sure how well it worked. We shot 144 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 2: a video in several steps and stages, and we were 145 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 2: trying something newer. We took a sidebar. There's a couple 146 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 2: of points in the video where I wanted to I 147 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 2: wanted to really drive home a couple of points. So 148 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 2: you're gonna see the video stop and we're gonna let's 149 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 2: take a right turn here. We're gonna go over here 150 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 2: and talk about this in depth, and then we're gonna 151 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 2: come back and we'll see if it works or not. 152 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 2: But the point comes across that you know, power's on 153 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 2: the black Red, you've got ground on the white, you've 154 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 2: got a bad fuel pump. Yes, I took out my 155 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 2: trusty round headlight pulls eight ams it's enough of an 156 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 2: electrical load that I know the circuit's intact. It lit 157 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 2: up the light whenever we cranked it and had a 158 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 2: bad fuel pump. Car had a bad fuel pump. But 159 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 2: you've got to know, See that's the catch. You've got 160 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 2: to know. It's just so important you just can't assume 161 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 2: because there's too much riding on it. And then in 162 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 2: further proof that Mercury is in retrograde, because I've decided 163 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 2: this was the week Mercury was in retrograde, because I 164 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 2: subscribed to that school of thought that you know, sometimes 165 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:16,119 Speaker 2: it just we put the fuel pump in the truck 166 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 2: runs and it was late in the day and we 167 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 2: were tired, and you'll see in the video we actually 168 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 2: have the we actually have more of the crew now involved. 169 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 2: Danny's holding the camera, research Kathy sitting in the seat 170 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 2: of the truck trying to hide herself because she's camera shy. 171 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 2: So everybody should write it and comment about how exciting 172 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:33,559 Speaker 2: it was to see research Kathy. That'll drive her nuts. 173 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 2: And on command she turns the key, the light comes on. 174 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 2: I talk about it, and we come back and connect 175 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 2: the fuel pump. It runs. It was late in the day, 176 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:45,680 Speaker 2: came in the next morning, started it up. The gas 177 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 2: gage is reading empty. Oh, now we knew there was 178 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 2: at least a half a tank of fuel in there. 179 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 2: That's what the old gauge said, and we knew when 180 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 2: we took the pump out. We looked inside there was 181 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:56,959 Speaker 2: a half a tank of fuel in there. What happened, 182 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,679 Speaker 2: I'm not sure is the answer. We took the pump 183 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:03,959 Speaker 2: back out, cycled the float level a couple of times. 184 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 2: It worked, fun plugged in the old one. The old 185 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 2: one the fuel sending unit was working. The old one 186 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 2: really had a similar reading, which made no sense, and 187 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:15,079 Speaker 2: I thought, maybe it has to update, maybe it has 188 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 2: to run, because I've seen some vehicles where the vehicle 189 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 2: will if it sees something erratic about a fuel pump sender. 190 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 2: But it would have to be with keon. And I'm 191 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 2: trying to think about the testing we did. Did it 192 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 2: see an erroneous signal? It's like if you take your 193 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 2: car and you go fill it up with gas and 194 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 2: you leave it running. On some vehicles, you'll notice the 195 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 2: gas gage does not report or react as fast as 196 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 2: it normally could. There's a pause there. But in any event, 197 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 2: we had to take the fuel pump back out, cycle 198 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 2: the arm a few times, made it work, got it 199 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 2: to the point where we say, okay, it's reporting a 200 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 2: half a tank, it's working. We put it all together, 201 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 2: drove it to the gas station, put twenty dollars worth 202 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 2: of fuel in its soa go up even more. Sometimes 203 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 2: there's glitches you can't explain, but you've got to have 204 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 2: the wherewith in the calmness and to stand and deliver 205 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 2: and just get through it. Because cars are getting harder 206 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:11,679 Speaker 2: to resolve, and I think everybody's I think everybody's aware 207 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 2: of that. I think the environment is getting a little 208 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:16,560 Speaker 2: caustic at times. You know, I can hear it in 209 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:19,839 Speaker 2: the sounds of customers' voices. Everybody's getting very concerned about dollars. 210 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 2: Everybody's getting very concerned about getting their vehicle back, and 211 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 2: you can see the strain. It's starting to show. You know, 212 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 2: there's a certain cost of diagnosis that we've all got 213 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 2: to be aware of, and we've all got to really 214 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 2: pay attention to because we have to diagnose and we 215 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 2: can't do it for free, but we have to be 216 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 2: accurate in what we do. By the way, the worst 217 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 2: thing in the world you can do is don't keep 218 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 2: calling the repair shop saying is my car done? Trust me, 219 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 2: if the car was done the good repair shops anyway, 220 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:48,319 Speaker 2: they'll call you, they'll let you know they don't want 221 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 2: to keep your car because it's taking up space. They 222 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:51,839 Speaker 2: can put another car in. I just had to get 223 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:55,079 Speaker 2: that in there. In any event, the tuns the Tacoma 224 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 2: is done, fuel pumps in, gas gauge works, the beds 225 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 2: back on, it works. Video to you probably by the 226 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 2: end of this week coming and we'll go from there. 227 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 2: So I'm just trying to tie videos to the radio 228 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 2: show because of the description. As a matter of fact, 229 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 2: in the video, I tell everybody come to this opening 230 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:18,959 Speaker 2: this hour so that you can hear the more vivid description. 231 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 2: If that helps, because I think this was an important one. 232 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 2: When you're getting a contradiction of information and you know 233 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 2: you can prove it electrically through a wiring diagram that 234 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:31,079 Speaker 2: this circuit has to work, chances are you're looking at 235 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 2: a scan tool it's reading incorrectly. Don't just trust a 236 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 2: scan tool and take it as gospel. Scan tools don't 237 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 2: fix cars. Scan tools gather information, and that's the key takeaway. 238 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 2: Let's pull over to take a pause. Eight five five 239 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 2: five six zero nine nine zero zero. I'm running ay 240 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 2: in the car, doctor, I'll be back right after this. No, God, 241 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 2: that's right. 242 00:11:57,160 --> 00:11:59,319 Speaker 6: If you call and we're not live, you can leave 243 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:01,200 Speaker 6: a message. I'll call you back to get you on 244 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 6: the air with Ron. Eight five six zero nine nine 245 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:07,719 Speaker 6: zero zero. Speaking of Ron, there he is. 246 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:10,439 Speaker 2: Hey, let's go to Judd in Maine two thousand and 247 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 2: Toyota touns or jud Welcome to the card doctor. How 248 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 2: can I help? 249 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 5: Uh? 250 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:17,319 Speaker 4: Yeah, I went to replace my front viets. 251 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 2: Okay, the. 252 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 4: Typically you get on both the caliper on these old 253 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 4: vehicles and just flop it right back, leave the one 254 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 4: in and replace pads. Well, there's something when't there's a 255 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 4: little bump there. I wouldn't allow it to fold back, 256 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 4: so I unbolted the entire thing, put the new pads in. 257 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 4: Now there's two different sized pads. You can choose from 258 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 4: small ones or larger ones. Two played seven five point three. 259 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 4: I think it was the difference, but so four point sevens. 260 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 4: I grabbed them, put them in, no problem, and then 261 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:56,959 Speaker 4: I couldn't get it get the caliper back on. It 262 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 4: was an you know it wasn't out on a like 263 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 4: the rotor was too thick or something. So I got 264 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 4: my puller out and made sure it was completely retracted 265 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:14,440 Speaker 4: and uh and still couldn't couldn't fit it on there. 266 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 4: So there's because there's two different sizes for that year, 267 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 4: I'm not sure if I run out and buy another Caliper. 268 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:27,719 Speaker 2: Well let's let's let's let's let's back up a second. 269 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 2: So we're working on front brakes on a two thousand tundra, Yes, sir, okay. 270 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 2: And they're telling you what's different, rotor, Caliper or pads? 271 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:41,199 Speaker 4: Well, pad. I was going for the pads, so they 272 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 4: said pads. 273 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 2: Okay, So the pads you took off is the same 274 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 2: basic shape what you're putting on absolutely, So then we 275 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 2: have to believe that the pads themselves are correct, all right, 276 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 2: I think what I think what you're running into. The 277 00:13:56,880 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 2: difference and engine size will have a different physical size 278 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:03,440 Speaker 2: of brake pad. The swept area or the contact area 279 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 2: of the pad will be smaller on a lighter, smaller 280 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 2: engine vehicle because of the weight and you know, the 281 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 2: vehicle itself. So that being said, are you replacing rotors? 282 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:16,199 Speaker 4: Well, I believe I'm going to. 283 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 2: Now, well, but you weren't before. Is there a rust lip? 284 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 4: A little very well but not large? 285 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 2: I mean you should you should be able to you know, 286 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 2: if the piston is compressed all the way, you should 287 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 2: be able to fit the caliper over the rotor pad 288 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 2: and all. It shouldn't matter, all right? Is that? Are 289 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 2: you certain the caliper is bottomed out? 290 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 4: Pretty certain? Are used to those set of pullars. Took 291 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 4: a three jaw puller, pulled it off, set it for 292 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 4: a two jaw and and it's a good sized pullar. 293 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 4: And I was able to crank it with the old path. 294 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 4: I put the old pats in there as a spacer. 295 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 2: You know, right, is this a dual piston in front caliper? Jud? 296 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 4: I think it's single. It's it's been there since last summer. 297 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, because you know, if the and if the 298 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 2: piston is, the piston has to be you know, generally 299 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 2: the rule of thumb is the piston has to be 300 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 2: flushed with the body of the caliber. So there's no 301 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 2: there's no extension, right, Okay. 302 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 4: So the one thing that's throwing me off a little 303 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 4: bit is the fact that that caliber wouldn't roll all 304 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 4: the way back? 305 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 2: What do you mean roll all the way back? 306 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 4: Well, you can usually just undo the front bolt, the 307 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 4: top bolt, and loosen the bottom one and then just 308 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 4: flip it over, so you're actually not having to hold 309 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 4: the caliper in your hands and do it. 310 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 2: So you're talking about, you know, so your concern is 311 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 2: that you can't you can only take off one. You 312 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 2: have to take off both bolts of the caliber to 313 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 2: get it off the vehicle. 314 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 4: That's correct. 315 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 2: Have you done it before in this vehicle where you've 316 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 2: taken off one and pivoted it back. No, Okay, don't 317 00:15:57,160 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 2: assume that it works that way on every vehicle, because 318 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 2: it doesn't. I know what you're speaking about. You're talking 319 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 2: about you take out one of the slide pins and 320 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 2: you're you're under the assumption that you can just pivot 321 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 2: it and leave the other pin tight in the caliper, 322 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 2: but take it out of the bracket right. 323 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 4: Well, actually, I'm talking about the two bolts that actually 324 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 4: physically hold the caliper on. 325 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 2: The caliper or the caliper bracket, the caliper, the caliper itself. 326 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 2: But aren't those slide pins the slide. 327 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 4: Pins I had to clean up. They didn't have any 328 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 4: in stock. I cleaned them up. 329 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 2: So the slide pins, the slide pins are separate. The 330 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 2: slide pins go in the caliper and go into the bracket, 331 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 2: and then the caliper bolts to that. 332 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 4: That's correct, okay. 333 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 2: So if you look at the bottom of the slide pin, 334 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 2: isn't it more or less an oval shape? The head 335 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 2: of the head of the head of the pin where 336 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 2: the bolt goes in. 337 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 4: It's been a while, say. 338 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 2: Because perhaps the slide pin is tightened the caliper and 339 00:16:57,640 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 2: it won't rotate. 340 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, I understand. 341 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 2: I understand your point, but but I'm going to scold 342 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:06,160 Speaker 2: you a little bit if that's okay, but I'll be gentle. 343 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 2: All right, you're doing it wrong, all right, put rotors 344 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:14,160 Speaker 2: on it. Do you know why rotors should be replaced? 345 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 2: And I'm being serious. Do you know why rotors should 346 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 2: be replaced? I okay, So well it has to do 347 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 2: with you. Ever noticed that a rotor has a nice 348 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 2: cross hatch finished to it? Yes, okay. The reason they 349 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 2: put that there is not to make it look pretty 350 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:32,640 Speaker 2: so people buy it. The reason they put that there 351 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:36,439 Speaker 2: is because that cross hatch raises the temperature of the 352 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 2: brake pad for an initial scuff in and break in period. 353 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 2: So when you put an old rotor in with a 354 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 2: fresh set of pads, there's no scuff action, so it 355 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:53,880 Speaker 2: can't possibly break in correctly, and it causes a problem 356 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:57,640 Speaker 2: with pad and how effective they are. Noise and you're 357 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:00,439 Speaker 2: doing it wrong. Brother, pads and rotors at the if 358 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 2: the caliber doesn't bought them out, change the caliber. It's 359 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 2: twenty five years old. Put good brakes on it. Be safe. 360 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 2: I love you, brother, you'd be good. I'm running any 361 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:34,920 Speaker 2: and the Car Doctor. I'll be back right after this. Hey, 362 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 2: we are cruising along this hour. By the way, I'm 363 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 2: the Car Doctor Calendar. This coming Monday, if you're in 364 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 2: New York, We're going to be back on WR about 365 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:47,640 Speaker 2: nine forty in the morning talking about what your check 366 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 2: engine light means. We're going to be starting a series 367 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 2: on dashboard elimination dashboard warning lights, so we're going to 368 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 2: start there on Monday, May fifth, about nine and Tom, 369 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 2: you have a comment. 370 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:00,479 Speaker 6: Yeah, I was gonna say that's a there's an idea 371 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 6: for the web store. 372 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 2: It's a car Doctor calendar. Yeah. 373 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 6: You and Danny's standing around in various stages of undress 374 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 6: working on cars. 375 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go, there's a there's a there's a 376 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 2: thought to have. No, we're gonna start doing a thing 377 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 2: on them. Not really, We're gonna start doing a thing 378 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 2: on you know, dashboard morning lights, what they all mean. 379 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 2: We're gonna start with check engine lights, work our way 380 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 2: through TPMs down into ABS traction control, and we figured 381 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 2: by the end of the summer we'll have everybody at 382 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 2: least you know, moderate smarts, so to speak. I hope 383 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:30,199 Speaker 2: that doesn't sound snarky or something, but just you know, 384 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 2: just give you the ability to understand what those dashboard 385 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 2: lights mean and how important they are, because it's one 386 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:37,679 Speaker 2: thing I've learned after thirty plus years of being on radio. 387 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:40,199 Speaker 2: A little bit of knowledge goes a long way. So 388 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:42,880 Speaker 2: that's starting Monday. If you're in the New York City area, 389 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 2: Monday May fifth. Is that this Monday? Yeah, No, it's 390 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:50,160 Speaker 2: a week from this Monday, Monday May fifth, somewhere around 391 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 2: nine thirty five, nine in the morning. And if you 392 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:55,160 Speaker 2: miss it, you can get it off their website because 393 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 2: they always post the link up there and they put 394 00:19:57,080 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 2: an audio clip. So let's get back to the phones. 395 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 2: Larryan was Jury thirteen GMC terrain Larry. Welcome to the 396 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 2: car doctor, sir. How can I help? 397 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 7: Well, I've been I bought the car used and had 398 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 7: about one hundred and fifty thousand on it, and uh, 399 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 7: it's a two point four. It started making a sound 400 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:18,919 Speaker 7: like I tap. About six weeks after I got a 401 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 7: tapping like you were tapping on a plastic dash. And 402 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 7: then it evolved into I'd pull up to the stop 403 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 7: flight stop sign and it would surge. It wouldn't it 404 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 7: wanted to like keep going okay, and it would it 405 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 7: would die going around corners. I went to three different 406 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 7: mechanics and got three totally different ideas. So I wasn't 407 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 7: comfortable going to anybody. And uh, here you are. 408 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 2: Right, So let me ask you this. Does it have 409 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 2: oil in it? Did it have oil in it when 410 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 2: you checked? 411 00:20:57,800 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 7: Yes? 412 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 2: Okay, So even with oil in it, the engine is 413 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 2: mechanically making noise. 414 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:08,200 Speaker 7: The engine sounds fine. 415 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:10,880 Speaker 2: Well you said the engine was tapping. 416 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 7: Well, I don't know if it's the engine. It sounds 417 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:19,200 Speaker 7: like it's right in front of the dash, oh, okay, 418 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:20,920 Speaker 7: where the breather would be. 419 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 2: Okay, So if you get out, if you pop the 420 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:28,879 Speaker 2: hood and go out under the hood, do you hear it? 421 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 7: Well, it never lasts that long. 422 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:38,119 Speaker 2: So it's got an intermittent tapping noise that sounds like 423 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:42,360 Speaker 2: it's coming out of the dashboard, but you're not sure, correct, okay. 424 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 2: And the engine doesn't run right all the time. 425 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:51,199 Speaker 7: Ohever, it runs all right except when you pull up 426 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 7: to a stop side sign. Now it quit doing this. 427 00:21:55,880 --> 00:22:01,879 Speaker 7: One day I got outunder the hood. About every two phillips, 428 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 7: I have to put a half courtl oil. 429 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,959 Speaker 2: Okay. And so if we were going to count, if 430 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 2: we were going to count by mileage, Larry, is it 431 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 2: burning a court in one thousand miles, a court in 432 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,160 Speaker 2: two thousand miles, a court in five hundred miles. 433 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:21,919 Speaker 7: Oh, let's see, I would say a court five hundred miles. 434 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:27,199 Speaker 2: Okay. So it's got excess of oil consumption? Yes, okay. 435 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 2: So I want to go back to the tapping, all right, 436 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 2: the tapping, you know, is the tapping? 437 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:35,359 Speaker 7: Is it? 438 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:37,959 Speaker 2: And listen? This should be easy to hear, is it? 439 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:40,160 Speaker 2: You know? If we can isolate it. Do we hear 440 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 2: it under the hood or do we hear it when 441 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 2: it happens if we were to get out, or do 442 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,440 Speaker 2: we hear it more at the dash itself, because under 443 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 2: the dash, I'm thinking about an AC servo motor or 444 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:53,119 Speaker 2: a blend or position motor, something that is either stuck 445 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,399 Speaker 2: or broken or ratcheting. You know, noise under the dash 446 00:22:56,480 --> 00:23:01,439 Speaker 2: is pretty prominent. You'll hear it, all right, so you 447 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,119 Speaker 2: know the next time it happens it's going to be 448 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 2: I mean, I can talk for hours about noises and 449 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 2: where they come from, but I want to try and 450 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:08,879 Speaker 2: help you. So I think the next time it happens, 451 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:10,680 Speaker 2: it's got to be pulled over, pop the hood. Where 452 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 2: do you hear it from? 453 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 7: Well, I've tried that, but it never lasts that long. 454 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 7: But it does not have to be running for that 455 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 7: noise to start. Okay, it could be I could turn 456 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 7: the engine off and go in a quick stop and 457 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 7: get something to drink and come back out and it starts. Now, 458 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 7: next time, it may do it while I'm driving. 459 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 2: Okay, So it'll do it. Key off in your hand, parked, yes, Okay. 460 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,719 Speaker 2: So I've got to believe that's that's something to do 461 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:43,920 Speaker 2: with a blend door or a temperature door under the dash. 462 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 2: Do you have the AC or the heat on at 463 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 2: the time that that happens. 464 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 7: That I don't recall. 465 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 2: Okay, so pay attention to that because I'm thinking you've 466 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,920 Speaker 2: got a temperature or a blend door that's either looking 467 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:02,879 Speaker 2: for what happens when you shut the car off. The 468 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,639 Speaker 2: temperature door you know, hot, the cold or blend door 469 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:10,879 Speaker 2: position middle top, bottom of dash. They're all controlled by 470 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,640 Speaker 2: little electric servo motors. They will all look for a 471 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 2: baseline of zero, all right, So when you shut it off, 472 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 2: it's going to go back to its rest position. If 473 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 2: it can't get there, bang bang bang bang bang. It's 474 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:27,439 Speaker 2: trying to get there. But we're talking about things that 475 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,399 Speaker 2: are made with little plastic nylon gears that you know, 476 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 2: eleven years ol one hundred and fifty thousand miles. Things 477 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 2: get chewed up, worn out, and every once in a 478 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 2: while something goes out of sync where it just won't work. 479 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 2: I'm betting that's I'm betting that's a blend door issue. 480 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 2: I want to focus on the engine all right, in 481 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:45,879 Speaker 2: the time we have, so let me tell you. 482 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,199 Speaker 7: Go ahead, tell you something else. It's going to help you. 483 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 7: I think, go ahead. About six months ago it quit 484 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 7: doing this. I popped the hood to put my oil 485 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:59,880 Speaker 7: in and blown the line off the TVC valve right line. 486 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 2: That's and that's where I'm going with this. That well, 487 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 2: that isn't the pc well, okay, that's the breather hose. 488 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:08,679 Speaker 2: You're talking about the hose that comes up to the 489 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:10,719 Speaker 2: air intake duct on the left side of the engine 490 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 2: on the right side of the engine apartment as you're 491 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:16,399 Speaker 2: sitting in the vehicle, right. So there's more than a 492 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 2: few bulletins from GM about this, all right. There is 493 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 2: a PCV orifice, little tiny hole that generally requires intake 494 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:29,160 Speaker 2: manifold removal. If your mechanic is brave of heart. There 495 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,359 Speaker 2: are ways that you can drill through the intake, but 496 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 2: most guys take and I incurred, take take the PCV off. 497 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:37,879 Speaker 2: See you see where or take the intake manifold off, 498 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,959 Speaker 2: so you see where it is. There's a PCV orifice 499 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 2: that has to be drilled out to ensure that it's clear. 500 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 2: All right. If that's restricted, then you're going to end 501 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:53,480 Speaker 2: up with too much crank case pressure and oil consumption 502 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:57,400 Speaker 2: and remain seals pop out and a slew of issues. 503 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 2: There is a vented oil fill cap far one eighteen 504 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,679 Speaker 2: from Delco. I'm trying to remember the exact number, but 505 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 2: you can put a vented oil fill cap and one 506 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 2: of the bulletins that talks about this mentions this by 507 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 2: part number on the vehicle, and that will help vent 508 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 2: the crank case if you don't want to go through 509 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 2: the process of taking the intake off. But like I 510 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,360 Speaker 2: like doing the intake. I like knowing that that's done. 511 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 7: You know. 512 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,160 Speaker 2: But I'd be willing to bet you've got excess crank 513 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,199 Speaker 2: case pressure. And again there's a way to measure it 514 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,919 Speaker 2: using a monometer, which is a very accurate vacuum gage. 515 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,239 Speaker 2: But given the history of the car, I would want 516 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 2: to know that the PCV is clear because at this point, 517 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 2: once you clear up the PCV problem and there isn't 518 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,879 Speaker 2: excess crank case pressure, you know, do we still have 519 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,719 Speaker 2: oil consumption? If we still have oil consumption, the fix 520 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 2: which the warranty's gone now because the extend of the 521 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:55,399 Speaker 2: warranty eight years and so many thousands of miles. The 522 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 2: fix was pistons and rings. The other thing you could try, 523 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 2: all right, I don't know that this will solve all 524 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:08,160 Speaker 2: of it, but take the engine oil dipstick and leave 525 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:12,399 Speaker 2: it popped out a quarter of an inch, right, you 526 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 2: want to you want to vent the crank case? Real easy? Yeah, right, 527 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,680 Speaker 2: It's just it's just that simple. Just just put a 528 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 2: little crank case vent in it that way, and maybe 529 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 2: that's the cheapest solution to try. Does that change anything 530 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:29,360 Speaker 2: for you? Right? Just just leave the crank, just leave 531 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 2: the dipstick up. And it shouldn't it should not allow 532 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 2: oil to come up the tube. Uh, Like I said, 533 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,399 Speaker 2: I don't. I don't think it's a long term solution. 534 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,640 Speaker 2: But just does it cut down on oil consumption enough 535 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:41,119 Speaker 2: to the point where all right, now it's worth the 536 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 2: money to go and pull the intake off. I'm looking 537 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,640 Speaker 2: for short cuts, right, I'm looking for shortcuts to get 538 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 2: to an answer. 539 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,879 Speaker 7: Well, I'm not. I mean, I'm I can live with 540 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:56,439 Speaker 7: oil consumption. I just need it to quit surging. It 541 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,199 Speaker 7: stop signs because sometimes it gets pretty bad. 542 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 2: Well you know that surge and then the next step 543 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:03,119 Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you is real quick and then I 544 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 2: gotta go. Is you know when it's surging, where's fuel 545 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 2: trim on this car? What's fuel trim? What's mass airflow 546 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:13,400 Speaker 2: sensor doing? All right? But uh, you know what, try 547 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:17,199 Speaker 2: popping the dipstick and see if that eliminates any of 548 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 2: the surge, because that's going to change a few things 549 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 2: in the way the engine's operating. And then give me 550 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:22,920 Speaker 2: a call back and we can talk further on it. 551 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 2: All right, Kittle, good to talk to you, Larry. I'm 552 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:26,919 Speaker 2: running ay in the car. Doctor, we're back right after this. 553 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 2: Let's uh, let's all right enough with the music's mom 554 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 2: would say, which I never really understood how an Armenian 555 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 2: woman could talk well, whatever, Alan and Florida. What's going on? Baby? 556 00:28:55,360 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 2: Can I help? Mom's had that ability, didn't they. I 557 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 2: don't know. I don't know if is Yiddish or what 558 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 2: it is, but my mother was one hundred percent Armenia 559 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 2: and she could talk Chinese and Yiddish all at the 560 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 2: same time. I never really understood it, but that was I. 561 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 5: Think it's a universe. I think it's a universal word. 562 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well everybody had Tom Tom's Tom's flashed me 563 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 2: saying it's Yiddish. So oh, anyway, how can I help 564 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 2: you out. 565 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 5: Pring real quick things? 566 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 2: Yeah? 567 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 5: One, you need to you need to have an off 568 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 5: air hint line that goes just to Tom, and Tom 569 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 5: can give you hints to not interrupt your on air program. 570 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 7: Okay, because I've tried to call. 571 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 5: A couple of times with some hints that I thought 572 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 5: were you know, uh yeah, yeah, I read the words anyway. 573 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 5: One one is Fella called in, I think it was 574 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 5: last week about you talked about the oil. 575 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 2: Pan, right, the Honda oil drained plug yep. 576 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, And I wanted to call in and say, you 577 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 5: know how many of those I've never used that cheap 578 00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 5: plug you spoke of, but you know how many of 579 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 5: those he could put in for the six or eight 580 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 5: hundred dollars to drop the pan? 581 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 2: Right? 582 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 5: You know, so every month you could put in a 583 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 5: new plug. 584 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 2: Well yeah, and that's why I said I didn't like that. 585 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,719 Speaker 2: I discourage that if you recall and I understand, yeah, 586 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 2: it's you know, but listen, that's why you're calling. So 587 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:15,960 Speaker 2: go ahead, what's your second game? 588 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 5: And then and then the heay coil is a good idea. 589 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 5: The other one is I tried to call him one time. 590 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 5: You're trying to find water leaks. I have a tool 591 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 5: in my toolbox. It's called a moisture meter that I 592 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 5: use in my gardening. I paid it ninety nine cents 593 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 5: for it. They're now maybe eight bucks. But it's just 594 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 5: a little probe metal probe with a meter on the 595 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,600 Speaker 5: end of it, and you can nuzzle that down in 596 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 5: the carpet or up in the corner, or back down 597 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,480 Speaker 5: in the seat or something, and you can find a 598 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 5: moisture content that you may not that might not be 599 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 5: exposing itself to the surface of the carpet. 600 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 2: Well, but what would happen if once the water's in 601 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 2: the car, if the vehicle is you know, tilted left 602 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 2: or right, is the water going to tend to collect 603 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 2: in that corner showing the higher water content? 604 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,800 Speaker 5: Well, like if you went alongunderneath in the under the dash, 605 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 5: followed their dash from right to left. As you're looking 606 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 5: at under the dash, you can you sneak that meter 607 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 5: and then you find that there's water running in a 608 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 5: particular area, you know what I'm saying. So you got 609 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 5: a two foot the floorboard is two feet wide, and 610 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 5: you start across it and you'll find all of a 611 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 5: sudden it'll read moisture and that's where it's leaking down 612 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 5: out of the core. 613 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 2: Have you have you used it? Have you used it 614 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:31,040 Speaker 2: for that in a car? Larry? Sorry? But yeah, yeah, yeah, 615 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 2: that's fine and it works. 616 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 5: I use it. Yeah, because I live down in Florida. 617 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 2: In all my years, I've never heard of it. But 618 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 2: I'll take a look at it. 619 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's the probably now about seven ninety five 620 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,480 Speaker 5: a little meter at any garden plant. 621 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 2: And I'll tell you what. Here's here's your assignment. You're ready, Yeah, sir, 622 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 2: send me a link. We're on at cardoctorshow dot com. 623 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 2: Show me what you're talking about. 624 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 5: I will, sir. 625 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 2: All right, all right, you'd be well. 626 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 5: Joy the show. 627 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 2: Thanks Allan, I appreciate you. You're very welcome. Bye bye. 628 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 2: Good to hear from a fan A five five five 629 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 2: six zero nine nine zero zero. We're back right after this. Hey, 630 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 2: winding it down this hour, just a couple of quick 631 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 2: things courtesy of research. Kathy doing her job. She's telling 632 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,960 Speaker 2: me to tell everybody it's AC season. I think that's 633 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 2: Kathy's way of telling me her trailblazer needs the AC charged. 634 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:34,480 Speaker 2: So that's a subtle hint, jab jab, but it is. 635 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 2: She's right, you know what it is AC season. It's uh, 636 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 2: you know, we're about a month away from the real 637 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 2: warm weather. Although it's supposed to be warm in most 638 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 2: of the United States. This weekend is getting humid in muggy, 639 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:45,760 Speaker 2: So if it's been a while, it's a good time 640 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 2: to think about it. If it's a one thirty four 641 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 2: refrigerant car, if it's an older system, you should be 642 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 2: recharging the AC and servicing it, you know, every eighteen 643 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,600 Speaker 2: to twenty four months is a good idea help keep 644 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 2: moisture content down if you want longevity out of the system. 645 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,160 Speaker 2: If it's a twelve thirty four y F car, the 646 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,720 Speaker 2: newer refrigerant, they're not serviced as much or as often. 647 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 2: The industry still hasn't come up with a standard that 648 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 2: I'm aware of as far as how often and when. 649 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 2: Usually it's when they break, but be aware that they 650 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,959 Speaker 2: are expensive. So at the very least, when you get 651 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 2: your car in for servicing in the next couple of months, 652 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,320 Speaker 2: you know, have the AC system looked over, any signs 653 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 2: of leaks, the normal wear and tear belts and so forth. 654 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 2: Just does the system look like it's in good shape 655 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 2: to go this season, and by all means they can 656 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 2: always do a duct test, thermometer test, you know, to 657 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 2: verify system performance that way. So just a good idea 658 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:34,880 Speaker 2: to start thinking AC so you're not caught blind and 659 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 2: caught short. I'm willing to bet the price of refrigerant 660 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:42,479 Speaker 2: is climbing along with everything else auto repair related, because 661 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:44,800 Speaker 2: a lot of the parts houses are pushing refrigerant now, 662 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 2: saying that they're expecting prices to go up. So just 663 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:49,920 Speaker 2: be aware it's cheaper to get it done now, then 664 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 2: it will be later. And one just quick follow up 665 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 2: from last week. We had talked to Aaron from Standard 666 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:59,400 Speaker 2: Motor Products and you know, we were talking about, you know, 667 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 2: stand selling on Amazon, and I had a couple of calls. 668 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 2: People were saying, well, you know, Standard doesn't sell on Amazon, 669 00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,839 Speaker 2: but yet Standard saying don't use Amazon parts. There's some 670 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:13,279 Speaker 2: misclarification or there's a misunderstanding here. Standard Motor Products does 671 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 2: not sell directly on Amazon. They use their parts distribution 672 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 2: chain because they really believe in supporting business here in 673 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,399 Speaker 2: America and small business, big business and so forth. What 674 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,840 Speaker 2: you're seeing is parts houses or parts distributor selling Standard 675 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:30,839 Speaker 2: on Amazon. But what we're getting at is that Amazon part, 676 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:34,600 Speaker 2: that white box part made overseas. When there's a problem, 677 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,799 Speaker 2: there's none, if any little recourse that you have with 678 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:41,680 Speaker 2: that manufacturer. So you know what, by American buy something 679 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,120 Speaker 2: here that you know has a track record by standard. 680 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,320 Speaker 2: I'm not an ady in the car, doctor. Good mechanics 681 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:53,600 Speaker 2: aren't expensive, they're priceless. See you