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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Action Network Podcast, NBA Edition. Thanks for

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Speaker 1: joining us, society be along with you on Matt Moore,

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Speaker 1: senior NBA writer for the Action Network, joined by Raheem

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Speaker 1: Palmer and Brandon Anderson, will be going over quite a

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Speaker 1: few things today. We'll talk about the fallout for the

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Speaker 1: Jamal Murray injury and what that means to the Western

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Speaker 1: take a look at questions like exactly who has just

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Speaker 1: screwed us over the most this week? And thanks for nothing?

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Speaker 1: And what do we want to go back and bet on?

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Speaker 2: Let's do it.

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Speaker 3: Let's get it all right.

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Speaker 1: Let's start with our morque, the Marquee. If you can

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Speaker 1: hear the shutter from the crowd, We've got two things

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Speaker 1: in the Marquis this week because we had to cover

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Speaker 1: the unfortunate news of the Jamal Murray injury. I have

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Speaker 1: talked about this a lot. I've been on Denver Radio

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Speaker 1: five times a think in the last day. I have

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Speaker 1: done two podcasts on the subject. I have given a

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Speaker 1: really touched on the betting implications. Raheem, Let's just start here.

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Speaker 1: What's the biggest move in terms of value for you

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Speaker 1: in the Western Conference after Murray's injury.

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Speaker 3: I think you have to really take the Clippers. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I'm seeing plus seven hundreds around on the Clippers to

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Speaker 3: Actually I think it's plus two seventy five at at

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Speaker 3: bet MGM. But to me, that eliminates one contender. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I think there were like four contenders in the West.

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Speaker 3: you know, fine. But I think right now that the

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Speaker 3: I just think that the line is way too low.

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Speaker 3: They're gonna be a favorite over the Jazz. It's gonna

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Speaker 3: they have and I think think Nuggets were a team

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Speaker 1: come back to Raheem on the Clippers. Where where do

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Speaker 2: And it sucks. It sucks for everyone. It sucks for

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Speaker 2: Jamal Murray, it sucks for the Nuggets, it sucks for

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Speaker 2: It's what we do every year because it's my team,

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Speaker 2: I find my sense of sports nihilism creeping in where

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Speaker 2: I'm looking at the standings. I see the Nuggets just

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Speaker 2: I don't know that Denver is gonna fall off so

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Speaker 2: it just kills off the playoff chances. Maybe they can

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Speaker 2: I just I can't take it without Jamal Murray. But

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Speaker 2: Neither one of those teams is going to pass up

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Speaker 2: it's the Lakers, and the Lakers always get what they want,

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Speaker 1: See now you're speaking my language, Brandon. Now and we're

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Speaker 1: on the same page here. This is how I feel.

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Speaker 1: course it's happened to the Denver Nuggets. You know, everybody's like,

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Speaker 1: would it be the most insane thing? No, because the

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Speaker 1: I'm no longer concerned for the Jazz because as good

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Speaker 1: I think it's got to be Phoenix, just because you're

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Speaker 1: odds on to make the Western Conference Finals, Like how.

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Speaker 3: Much do you wait? I'm starting to cut you, how

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Speaker 3: much do you wait?

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Speaker 2: Play?

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Speaker 3: How much do you wait? Playoff experience? Because I think

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Speaker 1: So you know, I used to value it quite a bit,

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Speaker 1: So it's like, you know, I think I think sometimes

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Speaker 1: in reality, it's just like no players that have been

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Speaker 1: So I think sometimes I wonder if that if there

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Speaker 1: on the top of the table the Suns of physicality.

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Speaker 1: They have good leadership, and Chris Paul Booker can obviously

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Speaker 1: I'm just like a little bit worthy. He's gonna in

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Speaker 1: the playoffs, he's gonna have to put up like thirty

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Speaker 1: if it's Clippers Lakers, like you're looking at the value

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Speaker 1: in the Clippers. If it's Clippers Lakers, though, let me rephrase,

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Speaker 1: this is the better angle maybe to be take the

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Speaker 1: take the Clippers at the longer odds, and then bet

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Speaker 1: the Lakers in the series.

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Speaker 3: See if I'm taking the Clippers with the longer odds,

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Speaker 3: I gotta let it play out because I believe that

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Speaker 3: gonna have the best at a number. At that point,

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Speaker 3: I think Brandy kind of hit on something, you know

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Speaker 3: Sure, what would you make the line, like, I mean,

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Speaker 2: And I don't trust the Clippers. Every time I look

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Speaker 2: I don't. I don't see enough solutions for them to

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Speaker 1: So on Christmas, but when you know, when the Lakers

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Speaker 2: It out four or five because I want the money

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Speaker 3: But I think that but like that that's way too

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Speaker 3: if you made the Clippers like four point dogs, I

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Speaker 1: Can we can we bet on it? Now? Can we

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Speaker 2: So here's my question. That's the game one line, what's

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Speaker 1: Anthony Davis is missing because he's fallen down too much,

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Speaker 2: We're betting against Anthony Davis. We're not betting on the Clippers.

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Speaker 2: I'm fine betting against Anthony Davis. I think that's a

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Speaker 1: So I will return you to you know where I'm

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Speaker 1: So rahem, let's start with you. I'm going to just

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Speaker 1: go ahead and start calling you our East Coast correspondent.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 1: I like that the Nets your land minus one twenty five,

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Speaker 1: the Sixers are plus one hundred. I tend to look

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Speaker 1: a little bit more towards the Sixers here, but I

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Speaker 1: can be swayed another way. What do you think on

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Speaker 1: the I want to say I one of Sixers.

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Speaker 3: I mean I think I mean you said it. All.

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Speaker 3: The Sixers are seven point favorites against the Nets tonight,

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Speaker 3: and this is the third and final game. So if

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Speaker 3: the Sixers win this game, they're going to, you know,

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Speaker 3: win the top breaker. We don't know if Kevin Durant

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Speaker 3: is playing. We don't know if Kyrie Irvan is playing. Obviously,

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Speaker 3: I mean right now they're Big three is like kind

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Speaker 3: of out of commission because Harden's still out with a

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Speaker 3: hamstring strain, Kyrie is missing the time for personal reasons.

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Speaker 3: Like we know that the Nets aren't really taking the

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Speaker 3: regular season that seriously in the way that the Sixers are.

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Speaker 3: So I just think the Sixers have the edge. They're

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Speaker 3: probably gonna win this game tonight, So I think at

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Speaker 3: the plus one hundred, I think this is miss price.

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Speaker 3: I think the Sixers have the edge for the regular season.

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Speaker 3: They're healthier and Beth playing really well since they came back,

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Speaker 3: since he came back, So you got to take the Sixers.

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Speaker 1: All right, So here's the number. Here's the question. What

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Speaker 1: number do you think the sixers lose value at? Like,

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Speaker 1: what number would you have to get to?

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Speaker 3: I think once it gets to the once you're laying

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Speaker 3: like one thirty one forty one fifty.

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Speaker 1: I think that's when it's you know, okay, okay, Brandon,

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Speaker 1: who do you like?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I like the Sixers too, all the same reasons.

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Speaker 2: They're healthy now, and you've got one team that's finally

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Speaker 2: healthy and ready for this last month, and a team

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Speaker 2: that I think is going to be very motivated to

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Speaker 2: close out strong, finish the year as the one seed

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Speaker 2: and in take home court to the playoffs. I think

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Speaker 2: Brooklyn thinks that they don't care. I think Brooklyn thinks

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Speaker 2: they're the Lakers and whatever, we're the best. We'll just

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Speaker 2: get healthy and get to the playoffs and we'll beat everyone.

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Speaker 2: We don't really care what seed we are. I guarantee

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Speaker 2: Affility doesn't think that they they would be very interested

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Speaker 2: in getting out of that two to three seed matchup.

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Speaker 2: I'm also positi of Brooklyn thinks that the Nets have

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Speaker 2: four more road games than the Sixers left. They also

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Speaker 2: have a lot of games left against like those fringe

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Speaker 2: teams fighting for the play ins, and we know that

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Speaker 2: Brooklyn struggles against those sorts of teams like we've seen

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Speaker 2: them struggle in those games all year. The Sixers actually

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Speaker 2: their next six games, they got Nets, Clippers, Warriors, Suns

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Speaker 2: and then Bucks twice in a row. It's a rough

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Speaker 2: stretch this next six but after that they don't play

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Speaker 2: any other top ten teams the rest of the way.

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Speaker 2: Their last two games are against Orlando, which are just

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Speaker 2: free wins if they need them to try to win

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Speaker 2: the division and close it out. For me, I had

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Speaker 2: the Sixers before I looked at the numbers of what

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Speaker 2: the pricing was. I put the Sixers out of about sixty

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Speaker 2: five percent to win the division. I was shocked that

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Speaker 2: they are not the favorite here and at sixty five

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Speaker 2: percent for me, that would put them at near minus

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Speaker 2: two hundred being playable, and I wouldn't play it that high.

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Speaker 2: But I agree with Rahiem certainly, like with them favored

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Speaker 2: tonight and with Durant and possibly Kyrie out that effectively

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Speaker 2: if they win, puts them up two games in the

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Speaker 2: type breaker because they're up one and on the tie,

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Speaker 2: and I just don't know that that's even care enough

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Speaker 2: to close that out. I think it. You know that

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Speaker 2: futures are a tough play because you're waiting so long

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Speaker 2: on your money. I know Raheem does not like to

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Speaker 2: do that very often. This is different. We're only a

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Speaker 2: month away, Like you can wait for a month for

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Speaker 2: your money, and even Odd's on Philly. As long as

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Speaker 2: they win tonight, your money is in really good hands.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've got I had Sixers back earlier in the

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Speaker 1: season and got for you to number on it. So

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Speaker 1: I don't feel any sort of I don't feel any

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Speaker 1: big push to bet this now. I will say that,

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Speaker 1: like the the ideal for me is for the Nets

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Speaker 1: to somehow win tonight, right, and then that number goes

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Speaker 1: even higher, and then I would bet the Sixers base

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Speaker 1: off of what Brandon said, which is the Sixers are

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Speaker 1: the better team this season versus teams below five hundred.

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Speaker 1: They're nineteen and five straight up. The Nets are only

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Speaker 1: seventeen and nine versus teams over five hundred, the Sixers

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Speaker 1: are eighteen and twelve, the Nets are twenty and eight.

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Speaker 1: So the Nets have been lights out versus these good teams.

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Speaker 1: But I don't think that the Nets are going to

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Speaker 1: get back up for any of these games for the

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Speaker 1: rest of the season. They're going to coast and they'll

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Speaker 1: rest more guys, like they will rest more aggressively than

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Speaker 1: the Sixers, well, even with them be coming out the injury.

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Speaker 1: So like The ideal for me is that somehow the

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Speaker 1: Nets win this game and night the Sixers blow it,

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Speaker 1: and then we can go the other direction. Let's move

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Speaker 1: on and talk about the Pacific. We can't touch on

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Speaker 1: this in the Western Conference. I've got I have several

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Speaker 1: Clippers tickets, so when the division, which are not looking

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Speaker 1: great right now, you can get Suns, but only at

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Speaker 1: plus one hundred. The Clippers are still minus one forty

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Speaker 1: at bet MGM. Do either ofview have leans on whether

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Speaker 1: or not there's value on Clippers or Suns here? I

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Speaker 1: feel like Suns at plus one hundred probably has the

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Speaker 1: best value given that they're up and leading, and the

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Speaker 1: Clippers may rest right Yeah to go, Yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: we can agree on that one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. The Sons, to me, I just like looking at

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Speaker 2: their schedule, I had them getting probably like thirteen or

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Speaker 2: fourteen more wins and they're already up. What are they

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Speaker 2: up two games right now? And the Clippers and so

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Speaker 2: and the Clippers do have the type breaker if they

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Speaker 2: need it, but that still means that the Clipper and

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Speaker 2: the Clippers actually have played a couple extra games. So

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Speaker 2: if you look in the losses column, it gets even uglier,

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Speaker 2: like I had basically La the Clippers, not the Lakers.

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Speaker 2: The Lakers are out on this and I don't think

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Speaker 2: they care. I think the Clippers probably have to go

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Speaker 2: something like thirteen and four or fourteen and three to

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Speaker 2: catch Phoenix down the stretch. Yeah, and I don't I

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Speaker 2: don't think they can get there. Like this is another

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Speaker 2: one where I was really surprised to see the plus

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Speaker 2: one hundred, and I would put I add the Suns

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Speaker 2: at about sixty to seventy percent the division here as well,

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Speaker 2: So well, it's again a motivation thing. I think Phoenix

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Speaker 2: has a lot to prove and wants to go and

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Speaker 2: get the division. I think Phoenix maybe would hang the

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Speaker 2: division banner the Clippers can't, not in Staples. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think there's value in Phoenix here too.

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Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and skip the Southeast because it's just

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Speaker 1: a mess. It's just a mess. But I want to

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Speaker 1: talk about the Southwest Division. This is all surprising me.

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Speaker 1: The Mavericks are minus one thousand to win the division.

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Speaker 1: The Grizzlies are plus eight hundred, the Spurs are plus

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Speaker 1: two thousand. Just to review, the Mavericks are at twenty

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Speaker 1: four losses. The Grizzlies are at twenty five, the Spurs

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Speaker 1: are at twenty six. Like there's a two and a

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Speaker 1: half game differential between the Mavericks and the Spurs, and

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Speaker 1: the Mavericks are minus a thousand. I may talk myself

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Speaker 1: into the Grizzlies here, like, I'm sorry, I'm getting eight

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Speaker 1: to one with a month left to play and a

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Speaker 1: one game differential on the loss column, and they played tonight.

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Speaker 1: This is the other thing, right, It's like, if the

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Speaker 1: Mavericks win tonight, then I'm I'm gonna definitely wait for

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Speaker 1: tonight and see how this goes. But if the Grizzlies

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Speaker 1: win tonight, I may have to grab Grizzlies A plus.

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Speaker 2: You wait for tonight, though, because you have to play tonight,

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Speaker 2: and you're right. If the Grizzlies lose tonight, then your

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Speaker 2: bets in trouble because losing tonight loses the tiebreaker too,

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Speaker 2: and they go down two and a half then effectively

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Speaker 2: three with the tiebreaker. If they lose tonight, it's over.

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Speaker 2: Your BET's gone. But if they win tonight, the value

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Speaker 2: is gone. You have to play tonight as though you're

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Speaker 2: playing a grizz money line tonight and their chances to

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Speaker 2: win from then forward. So if Memphis wins tonight, they're

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Speaker 2: half the game back, they still play one more time,

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Speaker 2: so they you would hope, you really would need Memphis

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Speaker 2: to win that other game also so that they get

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Speaker 2: the tiebreaker.

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Speaker 1: It won't move that much though, it's not like if

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Speaker 1: they win the night, it's not gonna jump to it's

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Speaker 1: not gonna it'll stay. Plus you're better.

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Speaker 3: And then also I mean that the Grizzlies are on

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Speaker 3: a where they have they have a seven game road

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Speaker 3: trip coming up, so it's like you could you could

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Speaker 3: wait on this, Like I mean, they have the Bulls, Bucks, Nuggets, Clippers,

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Speaker 3: Blazers twice, and then the Nuggets again. So that's gonna

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Speaker 3: that stretch right there is gonna decide everything.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, they do have the seven road games they

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Speaker 2: lock into getting to play Denver twice in that stretch,

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Speaker 2: a much easier Denver matchup than it was a week ago.

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately for the Nuggets, the schedule in May is crazy soft,

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Speaker 2: though Dallas's schedule is super soft. Also, I like Dallas

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Speaker 2: a lot. When we were looking at at positions to

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Speaker 2: bet on, you know, building a West position, I like

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Speaker 2: Dallas as a sleeper. I think they're a team that

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Speaker 2: like they're playing so well. They're twenty one and eleven

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Speaker 2: I think since the start of February, and I see

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Speaker 2: why they're the clear favorite here. Minus a thousand is insane.

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Speaker 2: They should not be that clear of a favorite. That's

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Speaker 2: not and to me, like the Grizzlies, to me, if

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Speaker 2: I had to put a true line, I put them

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Speaker 2: at about plus four fifty or plus five hundred to

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Speaker 2: what I think they actually ought to be. And not

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Speaker 2: as high as eleven hundred and thirteen hundred on the Grizzlies,

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Speaker 2: thirteen hundred. They can be a half a game back

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's a no bet. They yeah wait wow,

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Speaker 1: to do it every week and it's thanks for nothing.

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Speaker 3: Good teams win and great teams cover put some teams

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Speaker 3: do neither.

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Speaker 1: This is thanks for nothing.

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Speaker 3: It's it's day we read.

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Speaker 1: Is the teams that lost and failed to cover. So

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Speaker 1: disaster for me because it involves a Charlotte Hornets. I'm

690
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 1: doing the Hornets game. No team has lost me more

691
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,399
Speaker 1: money than the Charlotte Hornets this season. Excited to lose

692
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Speaker 1: even more money on them this week. As I always

693
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Speaker 1: bet the best stream games. We felt good about the Sixers.

694
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Speaker 1: I bet the Sixers pregame, I bet the Sixers live,

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Speaker 1: I bet the Sixers live again, and they just completely

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Speaker 1: face planned versus the Pelicans just absolutely face planned. The

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Speaker 1: Sixers are not the Clippers in terms of being frustrating.

698
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 1: They're not not frustrating at times though, like there are

699
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Speaker 1: these times when the Sixers you could just look at

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Speaker 1: it and be like, why can't you guys just get

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Speaker 1: out of your own fucking way, Like just one time,

702
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Speaker 1: can you get out of your own way? It was

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Speaker 1: a really frustrating game to bet.

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Speaker 3: Raheem, Oh, yeah, that was ugly. I have no idea

705
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 3: what happened in that third quarter, but it just you know,

706
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 3: it goes to show you that if if the game

707
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 3: is on the best stream, one team's going to get

708
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Speaker 3: how to score. And that's exactly what happened. And of course,

709
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 3: you know, we had to deal with the issue of

710
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Speaker 3: the rotations where it didn't put mb back into the

711
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Speaker 3: game until it was too late. And you know we've

712
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Speaker 3: spoken about that time and time again, where these coaches

713
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Speaker 3: don't want to break rotation. So it's it's very frustrating.

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Speaker 1: Brandon, Do you have a thanks for nothing this week?

715
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Speaker 2: I do my things for nothing is as a term

716
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 2: Rolls fan and is thanks for nothing, Glenn Taylor and

717
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 2: future a Rod Thanks for nothing for selling the team,

718
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 2: Thanks for nothing for not letting Kevin Garnett ever come

719
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 2: back and get his number retired and hang in the banners.

720
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 2: The only great player in franchise history, just all of it.

721
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,879
Speaker 2: Thanks for nothing, stay in Minnesota, please keep our team

722
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:05,840
Speaker 2: at home. Thanks for nothing, Glenn and Aaron, what aerod

723
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 2: do well? Among other things, he signed for two hundred

724
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 2: and fifty two million dollars, which just happened to coincidentally

725
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:19,800
Speaker 2: be exactly twice as much money as Kevin Garnett's record

726
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 2: signing just because he could, just because so just what

727
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 2: we needed, one more reason, despite the only basketball player

728
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 2: that matters Interminal's franchise history, and he's aer Rop. That's

729
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:31,399
Speaker 2: what he did.

730
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Speaker 1: It's really weird, though. Here's the thing with Taylor is

731
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 1: that one Taylor was very helpful in all the blockouts.

732
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 1: He was like a voice of reason and a lot

733
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: of those of those instances of trying to get the

734
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:49,320
Speaker 1: league back on track operate in a small market. I

735
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 1: don't know, like it's weird. The stuff with Garnett is

736
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 1: obviously a bad look. Like there's just no way that

737
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 1: that's not a bad look. It has never seemed to me,

738
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 1: based off of everything I've ever heard, that Kevin Garnett

739
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 1: is the easiest person to get along with, Right, It's

740
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: not like we're talking about dirt Noviski here, Brandon, like

741
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: we're not talking about like we're we're not talking about

742
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 1: like even like Chris Paul, who seems like a pretty

743
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 1: amicable guy off the court when he's not trying to

744
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 1: punch you in the testicles, like it's Kevin Garnett. It's

745
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: kind of a crazy person. I'm not trying to defend Taylor.

746
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 1: The team was obviously a disaster during his time there.

747
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: But I think you, like, shouldn't you be like thanks

748
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 1: A or I for buying the team? Like I would

749
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 1: say thanks for nothing? Like don't you want new ownership

750
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,479
Speaker 1: at least one that's theoretically willing to spend And there's

751
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 1: an apparently language in the agreement that says that they

752
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 1: can't move the team, which you gotta feel pretty good about.

753
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean again.

754
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:43,359
Speaker 1: We're gonna make this into something bad because you make

755
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: everything about the ball.

756
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 2: In Minnesota sports fan, this is my sports nihilism. Here's

757
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 2: what's gonna happen. I can already see it coming. The

758
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,879
Speaker 2: Timberwolves are gonna lock into the draft lottery. They're gonna

759
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 2: get Kid Conningham, Conningham, Carl Towns, Anthony Edwards. They're gonna

760
00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 2: look super great and see how the uniforms and like

761
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 2: three years it's all happening. Era, just just get over

762
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 2: with timb rolls. Timbrolls. Twitter has been in a dark

763
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 2: place over the last week since this news came out.

764
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:12,839
Speaker 2: Not that we're not.

765
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Speaker 1: Usually Yeah, I suppose the rest of the time, you

766
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 1: gotta be more positive, unless unless this's Ricky Rubio. You

767
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: guys are pretty sour about everything. So all right, final

768
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 1: segment here, it's bad.

769
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:24,720
Speaker 3: Oh, I got got got got one, I got.

770
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Speaker 1: One, you got one?

771
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Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, my thanks for nothing involves the entire NBA.

772
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 3: Every single game has all of these injuries. We have

773
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 3: no idea who's gonna play until the games start, and

774
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:42,760
Speaker 3: I'm tired of it. We're all writers for the Action Network.

775
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 3: You have no idea how difficult it is to write

776
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 3: a game, guy, When you have no idea who is

777
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 3: going to play basketball? Oh, I'm frustrated.

778
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 1: You're so new, you're so new in that you're new

779
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,280
Speaker 1: to this that you think that people are gonna absolutely

780
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: hate you for playing about your job, writing about basketball,

781
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 1: because that's the thing, is like, Oh, poor guy has

782
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 1: to write about basketball and figure out whether it bed's playing.

783
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 3: Oh, you know what it is. It's not even just that,

784
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 3: it's also the fact that we're providing people with content

785
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 3: to bet on, and I want to give people winners,

786
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 3: like and it's just like it's literally every single game.

787
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 2: Credit word to do. Though, thanks for nothing to the

788
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 2: NBA for trying to schedule seventy two games in like

789
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 2: a three month period so that we can get the Olympics,

790
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 2: which no one's gonna be healthy to play for anyway.

791
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 2: Like that's the real problem here, yep. And that is

792
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 2: the real things for nothing that we can actually be

793
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 2: ticked about.

794
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 1: So it's Jamal Murray, My Jamal Murray might suffered the

795
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 1: injury anyway, like this, that's how this stuff goes. Like

796
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 1: he might have just it might have just been been

797
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 1: coming like Jamal's heart. You know, Jamal plays really hard.

798
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: He tries to play through injuries. He doesn't rest when

799
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 1: he needs to. That's always been a problem with him.

800
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Speaker 1: He was here, he had right knee soreness, Like it

801
00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 1: wasn't problem. It was honestly like admirable. It was cool

802
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 1: to see a guy that was like, no, I'll play

803
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Speaker 1: through injury, because so many guys are like, I don't

804
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,320
Speaker 1: feel good. I'm not gonna play the night. And it

805
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:06,919
Speaker 1: was cool seeing a guy that will like he would

806
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 1: fight the training staff to get back on the court.

807
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 1: He had right knee soreness. This one happened to his left,

808
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 1: so like it just could just happened. But I'll just

809
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 1: tell you that, like as a as a guy that

810
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: covers the Nuggets, like, I'm always gonna think that the

811
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:22,959
Speaker 1: league is responsible for it. Just damn like they gave

812
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 1: they gave these teams that made the Western Conference or

813
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 1: gave the conference finals a month and a half to

814
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Speaker 1: two months of rest. He came in cold, he never

815
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Speaker 1: he got, he got, he started off hurt because he

816
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 1: didn't have any ramp up period they got.

817
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Speaker 4: Like cause.

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00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,359
Speaker 3: There's there's people who there's people who were gonna push

819
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 3: you back on the fact that these guys had four

820
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 3: months off. What do you say to you know, people.

821
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 4: Like that.

822
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Speaker 1: Four months off?

823
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I mean they had four months off in

824
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,280
Speaker 3: between the end of the regular season in the bubble,

825
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 3: and then they played you know, pretty much the regulation

826
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 3: games and then they had the playoffs. What do you

827
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 3: say to the people who who say, oh, yeah, these

828
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 3: guys rested.

829
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Speaker 1: Plenty, Because I think a lot of is is I

830
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 1: think this is what this is one thing I've learned

831
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 1: at least, is that you need a ramp up period,

832
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 1: like you need to gradually increase your intensity level. Okay,

833
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 1: And like that's a lot of because Murray's talked about

834
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 1: that about how because he they knew the playoffs where

835
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:24,879
Speaker 1: the next season was going to start, like one, they

836
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 1: didn't know, right, Like everyone went into the light the

837
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Speaker 1: first month after the season being like, Oh, they're probably

838
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Speaker 1: gonna start in March. I thought they were gonna start

839
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Speaker 1: in March. That's what I heard, Like everyone I talked

840
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:33,919
Speaker 1: in the league was, Yeah, it's probably gona be March.

841
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden it was like, uh no,

842
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: we're starting on Christmas. And so Murray went from nothing

843
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:44,240
Speaker 1: for a month after playing like fifty minutes a game

844
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 1: to high intensity and that he's talked about how like

845
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 1: that was like a problem for him, that there wasn't

846
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 1: a normal ramp up period. Like athletes are all about routine,

847
00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: they're all about schedules. A lot of this stuff is

848
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 1: like carefully determined and messing with it I think is

849
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: messing with it the way that they mess with it.

850
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:09,800
Speaker 1: But they amount of travel. It just pretty clearly caused.

851
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:13,399
Speaker 2: Are you saying, rahiem that the four months you're talking

852
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 2: about a you're talking about like the start of the

853
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 2: pandemic when there was a big Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I mean I haven't said stuff like that,

855
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 3: but you know, and every time I every time I

856
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 3: speak to people, you know, you have a subset of

857
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 3: sports fans who, you know, think these guys aren't tough

858
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 3: or just lazy or just complain it. And I kind

859
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 3: of wanted to speak to that and you know, just

860
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 3: get some insight on you know, and break down, Wow,

861
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:35,240
Speaker 3: maybe that's false.

862
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, well to those people who are saying that, because

863
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 2: you're ready to have heard that as well. I just

864
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 2: think that's insane. Like who among us got to July

865
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 2: of last year and was like, huh, what a great

866
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 2: four months off? These are humans. These are humans that

867
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 2: dealt with pandemic and dealt with the political climate and

868
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:01,879
Speaker 2: dealt with what was happening socially. I was exhausted at

869
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 2: the you know, by the time we got to July,

870
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 2: I think all of us were. I think the entire

871
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 2: world was like, that was not four months off. It

872
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,800
Speaker 2: might be four months off of playing professional basketball games.

873
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,439
Speaker 2: But it was not off from everything else happening in life,

874
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 2: and I think it's insane to expect that that's that's

875
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 2: what these basketball players like, these are basketball players who

876
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 2: are humans too, And if anything, for many of them,

877
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 2: it was four months on like they were as involved

878
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 2: and emotionally, physically, mentally as any other time period. I

879
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 2: think that they came to the bubble more exhausted and

880
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 2: not rested.

881
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: And Brandon thinks you're insane, and that's somebody who thinks

882
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 1: that Joe Ingles can win six Men of the Year.

883
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 1: So oh, so we're getting there, We're getting there, getting there,

884
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:49,399
Speaker 1: We're getting there, We're getting We're getting it. I hear

885
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 1: you playing hype man from Brandon rahiem. I hear you.

886
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 1: We'll get there. Let's go to back to the future.

887
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:07,359
Speaker 3: The future, all.

888
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 1: Right, So I want to talk about this actually in

889
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,720
Speaker 1: the context of this back in the olden days, before

890
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: we had widespread legalized gambling in the United States for

891
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 1: the last two years, right state by state, and hopefully

892
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 1: your state is catching up, and check out the Action

893
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: Network for more on that. We've got updated tracker for

894
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:24,760
Speaker 1: every state to let you know when you can expect

895
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 1: it in your state. Cashouts weren't really a big thing

896
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 1: and a lot of the books that were used, right,

897
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:32,839
Speaker 1: so when people were betting on sports, cash outs weren't

898
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:37,320
Speaker 1: really a thing. But now bet MGM in particular actually

899
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 1: does allow you to cash out when your value increases.

900
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 1: Like you can actually get money out by betting something

901
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 1: that's going to increase in value. It's very much like

902
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 1: betting a stock, right, Like this is as close to

903
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: like stock betting in sports betting that we have. So

904
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 1: like Brandon, like if you have bet Joe Ingles back

905
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 1: when you first made this insane claim, Now he's gone

906
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 1: up and he's like, he's tell me, raheem, what's the numbers.

907
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 3: As six hundred? Yeah, I think it was, like I

908
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 3: think it was plus one. It was one hundred and

909
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 3: twenty five to one at that point. Yeah.

910
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,399
Speaker 1: Right, So you now have the ability to cash out

911
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 1: these bets. And my question on back to the future

912
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 1: for the two of you is is this something that

913
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 1: when you start factoring in, is not just what bets

914
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 1: will win, but what bets we think have a good

915
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 1: have a good percentage chance of being able to cash

916
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 1: out even if we don't think that they're going to win.

917
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 2: Brandon, Yeah, I mean I think so. The problem is

918
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 2: that if you're the better and I'll be the better

919
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 2: in this case because I'm the one who's playing these

920
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 2: crazy long odds and then gloating when they get to

921
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 2: six hundred and then shutting up when they lose. Anyway,

922
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 2: like you have to have you have to make the

923
00:45:55,600 --> 00:46:01,879
Speaker 2: call to sell your ticket because you know, depending on

924
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 2: on you know, we've already had there are things like

925
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 2: prop swap in places like that too, where you can

926
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 2: sell these off even if you can't close out your

927
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 2: bet at whatever book that you're playing, and the you know,

928
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 2: just because Joe Ingles gets to six hundred, you still

929
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 2: have to make the decision to say, Okay, I think

930
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 2: that this is where now I have to sell my stock.

931
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 2: Now I have to admit to myself that the bet

932
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 2: that I was really excited about, that I really thought

933
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:32,760
Speaker 2: was going to make a run here and is making

934
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 2: a run and now looks like he has a chance.

935
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 2: Now people are talking about him. Now I'm gonna sell

936
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 2: and actually say that I was wrong. He's not going

937
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 2: to win. Now I'm going to take home part of

938
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 2: the money that I thought I was going to get,

939
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 2: but not the big, big payday that I could get

940
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:48,800
Speaker 2: if actually I'm right.

941
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:50,799
Speaker 1: But you're not gonna win, Brandon. I know.

942
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 2: That's why I'm saying, though, I'm just saying. If if

943
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,720
Speaker 2: you're me and you're the one up playing these super

944
00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 2: long shots and you've got this long ticket, even if

945
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 2: you put one hundred dollars down at one hundred and

946
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:06,280
Speaker 2: twenty five to one and now it's at six hundred,

947
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 2: you're you're getting a profit, but you're not getting that profit.

948
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 2: You're not getting the twelve thousand, five hundred dollars if

949
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:16,879
Speaker 2: he does win profit. And I'm fully like, that's that's

950
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:20,399
Speaker 2: the flaw is that's why it's playing stocks are hard

951
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 2: because you have to be able to buy low, but

952
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 2: you have to know when to sell high too. And

953
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 2: with Joe Ingles, this is the time you should sell high.

954
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 2: You should cash out. He's not going to win in

955
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 2: all likelihood, we know what the voters do, and when

956
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,720
Speaker 2: he is, you know, the runner up favorite, you can't

957
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 2: get any better value than that in all likelihood. This

958
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 2: is when you should sell. The problem is if you're

959
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 2: the person that invested when it was a baby at

960
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 2: plus one twenty five or one hundred and twenty five

961
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:52,240
Speaker 2: to one. It's hard to sell that baby at less

962
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 2: than what you hope the full value is going to be.

963
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 2: It's really hard to be the better that can do

964
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 2: both sides of that, I think.

965
00:47:58,680 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 1: What anything on that.

966
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 3: I'm really not that big of a fan of the

967
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 3: cash out feature because I don't think they give you

968
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 3: what the bet is truly worth at that time. So

969
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 3: for me, I would rather, you know, you.

970
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 1: Rather you'd rather just hold out, hold out and lose.

971
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 3: No, I was gonna say, I would rather sell my

972
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 3: ticket on like something like prop swap or try to

973
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 3: hedge with another player. But if you're doing it with

974
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:26,359
Speaker 3: you know, something like Joe ingles at you know, one

975
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:29,959
Speaker 3: twenty five to one and you have to lay three

976
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 3: eighty on on Clarkson, you're you're kind of in a

977
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:33,720
Speaker 3: tough spot.

978
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 1: But I think I think part of this though, is

979
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 1: like well I'm thinking about more of is talking about

980
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 1: preseason taking positions on players to win awards and then

981
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 1: cashing out later in the year when those numbers drop

982
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 1: like that, to me, seems like what where there's like

983
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 1: because by the by the middle of the year, the

984
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 1: value on a guy for MVP may have dropped dramatically,

985
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:53,840
Speaker 1: and so you maybe is looking really like your ticket

986
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,799
Speaker 1: may have a lot more value. Like right now, if

987
00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 1: you got a Dame ticket from preseason, you probably game

988
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 1: quite a bit if it's got cash out available, but

989
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 1: game's not gonna win.

990
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know.

991
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 1: And so it's like, so, I mean, this is one

992
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 1: of those things where I hear what you're saying because

993
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 1: and this is like a weakness of mine is not

994
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: giving up any edges, right, like, don't give up any

995
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 1: edge on the price. But I'm also like, yeah, but

996
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 1: like if I see see an opportunity for me to

997
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 1: make money, yeah, that's what Like, that's what I'm looking

998
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 1: for here. It's like an opportunity to to basically buy

999
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 1: low on something and then sell high on it without

1000
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 1: having to worry about the outcome, because the outcome is

1001
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 1: always at the concerning part. Like I don't know what

1002
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 1: most of them prove players going to do right now,

1003
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 1: Like I have no idea, I have no ideas he

1004
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 1: most improved right now. Like I think Randall's still a

1005
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 1: pretty considerable dog, and I feel like he's the best

1006
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:53,320
Speaker 1: value on the board. Julius Randall, So like, I feel

1007
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:55,359
Speaker 1: like there's this is something we have to start factoring into,

1008
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 1: at least in our analysis when we talk about when

1009
00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:59,359
Speaker 1: we talk about like next year, when we start looking

1010
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 1: at at awards futures, that's gonna have to be part

1011
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 1: of the conversation is not only what's the value that

1012
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 1: you can get them at to win, but what what

1013
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:11,439
Speaker 1: are the odds that you're gonna be able to cash

1014
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 1: out this bet later for a return down? Some of

1015
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 1: this isn't gonna like you can't right, like my like

1016
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 1: my Yocha's position is locked.

1017
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, I think.

1018
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:24,840
Speaker 3: I actually don't think BET and GM even offers like

1019
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 3: cash outs they do. Oh they do, they do, Oh

1020
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 3: they do.

1021
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 1: Because as soon as Jamal Murray went down, I went

1022
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 1: on as soon as soon as he as I saw

1023
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 1: the injury, I cashed out of every Nuggets position that

1024
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 1: I had.

1025
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 3: Wow, maybe maybe it's a state by state thing because

1026
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 3: I have some futures in BET in GM that they

1027
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 3: won't let me cash out of.

1028
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:48,360
Speaker 1: So you actually you got chack and see you like

1029
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 1: you need to find out whether or not you can.

1030
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 2: I think I think that it's a it's a good

1031
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 2: point you're making. Matt, because I think especially to a

1032
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:59,399
Speaker 2: better like me, and I think to a better like you, Matt.

1033
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 2: I think that this is a really good opportunity to like.

1034
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:06,919
Speaker 2: I think one thing that I have shown that I'm

1035
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 2: good at, even through this podcast is pre betting the narrative,

1036
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:13,359
Speaker 2: like looking ahead to here's the story that I can

1037
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 2: see coming down the pipeline. This is where the conversation

1038
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 2: is headed. But the conversation is not enough. Like the

1039
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,360
Speaker 2: conversation started and your outs got better, and now Jalen

1040
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,399
Speaker 2: Brown got up into the conversation. Now Jalen Brown's back

1041
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 2: out of the conversation for most improved Player. For a while,

1042
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 2: I was looking really nice, and I should have cashed

1043
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 2: out if I had a cash out option at the

1044
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 2: book I played, which I don't. And now it's back

1045
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 2: to being at Worresids and where I started. But I think,

1046
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 2: you know, Matt, you're always talking about bet the narrative.

1047
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 2: I think that I think that all of us have

1048
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,360
Speaker 2: learned how to like pre tell the narrative and to

1049
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 2: think of where the narrative is heading and what the

1050
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:50,360
Speaker 2: next story is coming down the pipe, looking at the

1051
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 2: schedule ahead and seeing like, okay, this guy's out or

1052
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 2: this schedule is coming. Where's the story headed in January

1053
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 2: in February where it's way too far to go on

1054
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:04,760
Speaker 2: these awards, but where you could you know, buy the stock,

1055
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 2: hold it for six weeks, and then sell it later.

1056
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 2: I think that you're right that there is an angle there.

1057
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 2: Like I've said for years, I mean, I don't I

1058
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 2: don't battle out on sports, but I wish that there

1059
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:16,840
Speaker 2: was a sports stock market. I wish there was a

1060
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 2: way to buy and sell things. I'm not so great

1061
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:22,760
Speaker 2: at finding the true winners. I'm pretty good at finding

1062
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 2: guys whose odds are wonky, and it should be different.

1063
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 2: And if this is a way to play that angle,

1064
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 2: I think if you can find the right ways to

1065
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:32,240
Speaker 2: play it.

1066
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, like you're you're who I thought about this because

1067
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 1: you take it all these absolute positions where I'm like,

1068
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: that's insane, But then they wind up being in the

1069
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:43,360
Speaker 1: conversation and so their odds get like cut in half

1070
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 1: and there's got to be pretty good good value and

1071
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:47,800
Speaker 1: getting out Like I would love to see, like what Harden,

1072
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 1: What the value on Harden was when you propose betting

1073
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Speaker 1: Harden for MVP versus if you were to cash out

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Speaker 1: right now, like that was ye.

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Speaker 2: Thirty three to one done. Yeah. The flip side of

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Speaker 2: the argument, and for someone like me, the way I

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Speaker 2: play futures and play long shots, is that you play

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Speaker 2: low amounts on a bunch of long shots and you

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Speaker 2: only need one to hit one out of every ten

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Speaker 2: or out of every twenty. Like I'm not playing these

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Speaker 2: plus two hundreds and plus three hundreds and then sitting

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Speaker 2: my money on that for months at a time. But

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Speaker 2: if I put a low bet on a thirty three

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Speaker 2: to one and one hundred and twenty five to one

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Speaker 2: and all these, I'm gonna lose almost all of them.

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Speaker 2: I know that, like I put that money in, is gone.

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Speaker 2: You know. I put a bunch of money on Kevin

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Speaker 2: Durant to an MVP, felt pretty good about it for

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Speaker 2: about a month or two, cashed out a while back.

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Speaker 2: I'm not when I could cash out, because it's obviously

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Speaker 2: not happening now. But I think the flip side to

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Speaker 2: the cash out option is that if you're playing low

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Speaker 2: unit bets on these futures, you treat that money as

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Speaker 2: it's gone, like you just brought into your March Madness

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Speaker 2: pool that you're not winning. You're not gonna win, you're

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Speaker 2: gonna get the whole bracket wrong. But you might win.

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Speaker 2: And if you play a bunch of times and your

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Speaker 2: strategy is good, if the process is right, and you're

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Speaker 2: finding the right values, and thirty three to one on

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Speaker 2: Harden really should have been five to one or eight

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Speaker 2: to one. If you do that bet thirty three times,

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Speaker 2: you should win one of them, or you should you

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Speaker 2: should win more than one of them. If your odds

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Speaker 2: are right, you should have win like five of them

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Speaker 2: instead of thirty three of them. And so I think

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Speaker 2: that's the argument against cashing out, is if you're playing

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Speaker 2: the process right, that every now and then one of

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Speaker 2: your long shots does hit because you were right about

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Speaker 2: the odds.

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Speaker 1: How can you be such an optimist about your future

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Speaker 1: is and such a pessimist about the bulls?

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Speaker 2: And the way just really a great question. You don't

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Speaker 2: have an answer.

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Speaker 3: So we we got to talk about the bulls because honestly,

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Speaker 3: and I hate to say it, but who said it

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Speaker 3: might be an empty stats player?

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Speaker 1: No, Like, let's wait, come on, let's let's let's just

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Speaker 1: give them a little bit of time.

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Speaker 3: I get I get them a little bit of time,

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Speaker 3: But I.

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Speaker 1: Understand how it looks. I get it. I get it.

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Speaker 3: It's been bad.

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Speaker 1: Ru Levin's been hurt. I get it. I'm not well

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Speaker 1: in the bail and then on them yet I'm just

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Speaker 1: not Like the other thing I'll tell you is like

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Speaker 1: I would bet you that, like our tourist Carson Carzovas

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Speaker 1: did not make this deal to make the playoffs this year.

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Speaker 1: Wasn't like he was like, we're gonna trade all these

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Speaker 1: assets so that we can make the playoffs this year.

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Speaker 1: That's not No, Like there are other moves coming. They

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Speaker 1: will improve the roster. I feel like I think they will.

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Speaker 1: They will come out of this. I think they're in

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Speaker 1: a bad stretch. I think they'll come out of it.

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Speaker 1: I think I think it's way too early to start

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Speaker 1: calling boots that.

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Speaker 3: I just don't know how the defense improves with him

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Speaker 3: at Sinner. That's what I'm worried about.

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Speaker 1: Well what but here's the thing is like it sucked before,

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Speaker 1: Like it sucked with Wendell Carter Junior on the floor.

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Speaker 1: Anyway you could do it. This is the biggest thing.

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Speaker 1: You need better with perimeter defenders. Like if you're gonna

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Speaker 1: play drop, your perimeter defenders have to be great. The

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Speaker 1: preiter defenders haven't been good. Like that's part of it.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So you're I mean Lavine is one of them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, he's one of them. But if you around

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Speaker 1: those two with three good wing defenders, you can be fine.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Because and look, if you want to prove that the

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Speaker 1: Portland Trailblazers are the sixth seed in the Western Conference, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's fair.

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Speaker 2: The problem I think is not that necessarily that Vouch

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Speaker 2: is a good stat bad team player. I think the

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Speaker 2: real problem is that he's a good player who is

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Speaker 2: tough to build around because you need a bunch of

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Speaker 2: really good defensive wings and that is the hardest thing

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Speaker 2: to find in the NBA. You can build a good team,

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Speaker 2: but it's it's much harder now to find those pieces

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Speaker 2: to build that really good team. I think that's the

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Speaker 2: real problem with them.

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Speaker 3: I just think, yeah, I can live with that. I

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Speaker 3: can live with that. That's I like that.

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Speaker 1: Brandon, You're right, so like I mean, here I will

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Speaker 1: tell you this though, So Rahiem, do you think Patrick

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Speaker 1: Williams is going to be a good defender in the future. Probably,

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Speaker 1: like he's got he's got named athleticism. You watch it

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Speaker 1: you get on ball. Okay, they have a one to

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Speaker 1: nineteen defensive rating with him on the floor since the trade,

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Speaker 1: and it was bad before. He is inexperienced. He's just

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Speaker 1: a rookie.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, that's true.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So like that's a large part of this. If

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Speaker 1: you want to look at the other guys, like a

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Speaker 1: menu had they've been good with a menu on the floor.

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Speaker 1: Garrett Temple's got a one to eighteen point nine. That's

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Speaker 1: part of it. Like, yes, they're having trouble building around it.

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Speaker 1: It's tough to build I think around Sataranski and Vuivic,

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Speaker 1: but I do think that like as they adjust the

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Speaker 1: roster over time, I think they'll get better. I also

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Speaker 1: will tell you this, like Billy Donovan, his defenses get

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Speaker 1: really bad before and then they have sharp improvement curves

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Speaker 1: once guys start to learn the principles. That's been Donovan's

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Speaker 1: like m O since he came into the league. Like

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Speaker 1: the Thunder in twenty sixteen, I'm not kidding. The Thunder

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Speaker 1: and EVA in twenty sixteen tried like eight different coverages

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Speaker 1: and they all were terrible, and then they figured out

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Speaker 1: like the frequency of what worked and they took off

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Speaker 1: in March, like yeah, oh, I'm not saying, but they'll

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Speaker 1: get I feel like they will get better as they

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Speaker 1: get used to to Donovan's principles because like not all

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Speaker 1: drop coverage at the same So that's right, Matt, all right,

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Speaker 1: I'll wrap it up for the Action Network Podcast. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for joining us. Make sure to check out all the

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Speaker 1: great shows on the network as we continue to get

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Speaker 1: you covered for MLB NFL futures, the Draft, all sorts

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Speaker 1: of stuff to get covered there. Make sure to follow

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Speaker 1: Raheem and Brandon as they continue on the Action Network

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Speaker 1: app on the great run that they've been on. Follow

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Speaker 1: me as I continue to lose money on the Charlotte Hornets.

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Speaker 1: Check me out on bettstream on Friday. That'll be a

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Speaker 1: Thursday at six pm Eastern. Check out Action Network HT

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Speaker 1: on Twitter for that. And we'll talk to you guys

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Speaker 1: again next time on the Action Network Podcast.

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Speaker 4: We're finished talking