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Speaker 1: The season with Peter Schreger as a production of the

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Speaker 1: NFL in partnership with iHeartRadio. What's Up, everybody, Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the week ten episode of the season with Peter Schreger.

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Speaker 1: I am Peter Schreger, the host of Good Morning Football

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Speaker 1: on the NFL Network, and I am joined by my

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Speaker 1: star producer Brooklyn extraordinaire, mister Aaron Wong Kaufman. Aaron, what's

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Speaker 1: good on this beautiful Tuesday morning in New York City? Oh? Man,

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Speaker 1: it's it is beautiful out. We had like a hot

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Speaker 1: weekend and now it's this morning. It was like in

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Speaker 1: the forties, it was beautiful out and football weather. Dude. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and we're getting into it. I think the listeners who

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Speaker 1: are fulling, like, all right, what do you mean You're

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Speaker 1: in New York. You said you were gonna be in Munich.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be in Munich. I'm going to Munich. Slight,

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Speaker 1: hold up with me getting to Munich. I will be

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Speaker 1: in Munich. That is the expectation. If I'm not in

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Speaker 1: Munich and I'm missing Wednesday mornings Good Morning Football Show,

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Speaker 1: there's a story to be told. But as of right now,

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Speaker 1: I'll be in Munich. And I will be getting there

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Speaker 1: still before the Buccaneers and the Seahawks. And I could

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Speaker 1: tell you talking to all my colleagues from the show

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Speaker 1: who are there right now, Munich is loving the NFL

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Speaker 1: and the atmosphere is incredible, and you know, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: talk a bit about these games, the game that they're getting.

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Speaker 1: But who would have thought that Seahawks Buccaneers would be

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Speaker 1: like the game of the week going in to week ten.

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Speaker 1: But that's where we are, and the Buccaneers seem like

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Speaker 1: they're on their bounce back, the Seahawks seem to be

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Speaker 1: legit and Aaron, I feel like that's the game of

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Speaker 1: Munich to set the stage and pretty fired up that

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Speaker 1: the NFL network is going to be airing it. But

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Speaker 1: that wasn't the biggest story for me this week. Should

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Speaker 1: we get to the four downs? Yeah, let's go all right,

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Speaker 1: what's the first down? First down? So yesterday like football,

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Speaker 1: huge but also the kind of the bigger story of

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Speaker 1: of the Colts, and Ersay comes out and names Jeff

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Speaker 1: Saturday the head coach. Of the Colts, the interim head coach.

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Speaker 1: Can you give me any insight on Saturday on this

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Speaker 1: decision on the firing, Like what's happening here. Let's first

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Speaker 1: get to some Jim ursay sound and I'll respond off

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Speaker 1: of that, Aaron, why don't you que it up here?

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Speaker 1: We go. I'm glad he doesn't have any NFL experience.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad he hasn't learned the fear that's in this league.

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Speaker 1: That's because it's tough for a our coaches. They're afraid,

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Speaker 1: they go to analytics and it gets difficult. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he doesn't have all that, he doesn't have that fear,

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Speaker 1: and there was no other candidate. We were fortunate that

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Speaker 1: he was available. We've tried to hire Jeff a couple

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Speaker 1: of times. We tried to hire him in twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 1: him again. You know, this year just didn't work out.

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Speaker 1: You know, the timing didn't work out. So and I've

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Speaker 1: spent a lot of time with Jeff over like where

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Speaker 1: really good fit force, all right. So that was Jim Ursay,

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Speaker 1: the owner of the Indianapolis Colts, and that's Chris Ballard.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of dynamics here, and for the listeners,

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Speaker 1: let's get right into it. So Ballard is beloved by

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Speaker 1: And now I don't work for the Athletic, I couldn't

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Speaker 1: That he's drafted some good players and that you know,

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Speaker 1: go on the ire Jeff Saturday. There have been a

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Speaker 1: lot of takes already and Twitter last night was a

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Speaker 1: This is just classic, like Indianapolis Colts, We're gonna do

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Speaker 1: We're trying to interpret what he's trying to say. I

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Speaker 1: it the ballard getting number one GM and an athletic

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Speaker 1: because Jeff Saturday's a beloved cult Fine. I'm talking about

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Speaker 1: McAfee show every week, Like Chuck was a beloved coach

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Speaker 1: there and knows how to be a a head coach. Hire

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Speaker 1: These are not me being goofy and jokeye Aaron, I'd

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Speaker 1: when I'm talking about the actual hiring of a head coach.

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Speaker 1: I also think it's unfair to several candidates who might

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Speaker 1: about Mac Jones hasn't played well. Do you feel like

422
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Speaker 1: the Patriots have a real chance? I don't know, they

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Speaker 1: win this game, and it's like their defense and their

424
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Speaker 1: running game is good, but gosh, Mac Mac has stunk

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Speaker 1: it up the last few weeks. I mean, I don't

426
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Speaker 1: know between the Jets and the Pats, both of them. Like,

427
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Speaker 1: you know, we saw Fields have this resurgence the past

428
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Speaker 1: five weeks and are not even resurgence because he's never

429
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Speaker 1: really break through. So if Fields can break out and

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Speaker 1: that defense can do things, could the Jets have this

431
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Speaker 1: kind of push with you know, Canzach Wilson. Oh so

432
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Speaker 1: you're looking at Fields and you're saying, okay, so out

433
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Speaker 1: of nowhere overnight. Yeah, I don't like za Zach Wilson.

434
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Speaker 1: That ain't I mean Garrett Wilson. I mean Garrett Wilson,

435
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Speaker 1: incredible game. He's gonna Yeah, and the deep. We have

436
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Speaker 1: talked about how great that defense is. Um, how about

437
00:20:15,226 --> 00:20:17,346
Speaker 1: our guys, Sala, I mean, yeah, that is a I mean,

438
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Speaker 1: I don't think anyone took them be in Buffalo, especially

439
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Speaker 1: after the New England thing. But the New England thing

440
00:20:21,226 --> 00:20:23,746
Speaker 1: is real. They've lost thirteen straight games to the Patriots.

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Speaker 1: They played them again. I don't know. The team that's

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Speaker 1: sneaky to me is the Bengals because just when you

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Speaker 1: want to write them off and Jamar Chase is injured

444
00:20:31,946 --> 00:20:34,626
Speaker 1: and show whose is injured, Joe Mixon goes and has

445
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Speaker 1: five rushing five touchdowns, four rushing touchdowns and you're like, oh,

446
00:20:37,866 --> 00:20:39,586
Speaker 1: oh wait, they might be able to run the ball maybe,

447
00:20:39,666 --> 00:20:41,946
Speaker 1: and then they can and I'm not counting out Borrow.

448
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Speaker 1: You know, like it's a great, great conference. We knew

449
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Speaker 1: this going in, right, didn't we know this going in?

450
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Speaker 1: That this conference was gonna be wide open and that

451
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Speaker 1: there's gonna be you know, eight teams competing for seven spots.

452
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Speaker 1: In this case, it sounds like there's eleven. Meanwhile, the

453
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Speaker 1: NFC is awful. Yeah yeah, I mean like there's some

454
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Speaker 1: great teams that we love talking about in the NFC,

455
00:21:03,546 --> 00:21:08,226
Speaker 1: but also Vials, Vikings, I mean, how Cowboys. I don't

456
00:21:08,266 --> 00:21:10,786
Speaker 1: know how excited we are with the Vikings. Um yeah,

457
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Speaker 1: you know, I'm not like taking my shirt off on

458
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Speaker 1: the plane Kirk Cousins level for them yet, but um yeah,

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00:21:16,986 --> 00:21:19,026
Speaker 1: you know they are still winning. Hawkinson looked great for

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Speaker 1: them this week. That was really fun. That's a that's

461
00:21:22,466 --> 00:21:24,306
Speaker 1: a great win. That's a resilient win. They're down, they

462
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Speaker 1: come all the way back. But like, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: to me, I look at those, you know, teams that

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Speaker 1: we thought were going to be good, the Bucks, the Rams,

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Speaker 1: the Packers, and it's like, are we too late in

466
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Speaker 1: the season for them to get going? Packers, I feel

467
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Speaker 1: like that Goose is cooked. Rams, that Goose is cooked.

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Speaker 1: Buccaneers maybe have a glimmer of hope. And then there's

469
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Speaker 1: you know, the Giants just sitting there winning games coming

470
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Speaker 1: off there by and the forty nine ers with McCaffrey.

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Speaker 1: We're basically naming thirty two teams and just talking about football.

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Speaker 1: And that's what I think. That's what I think, and

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Speaker 1: I think I mentioned the Seahawks. That's what the league.

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Speaker 1: So the league wants, dude, they want us thinking that

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Speaker 1: every team could win. And guess what a year after

476
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Speaker 1: the Bengals went to the Super Bowl. Anything's possible. Yeah,

477
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Speaker 1: all right, we're ready for our guests. Yeah, let's get too.

478
00:22:06,746 --> 00:22:09,706
Speaker 1: Can I give a little preview on our guest before

479
00:22:09,746 --> 00:22:12,866
Speaker 1: we get to him. I love reading. I try to

480
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Speaker 1: read a book a week, maybe a book every two weeks.

481
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Speaker 1: Sometimes I do audio books, and I do everything from

482
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Speaker 1: World War two history to giant long oral histories on

483
00:22:24,506 --> 00:22:28,466
Speaker 1: you know, Hollywood. But anytime a Jeff Perlman book shows

484
00:22:28,546 --> 00:22:30,626
Speaker 1: up in my mail and I'm lucky enough for him

485
00:22:30,666 --> 00:22:34,266
Speaker 1: to send me the galleys, usually it's a sports book

486
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Speaker 1: that you know you're getting one of the best writers

487
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Speaker 1: in the business doing a deep dive on the individual

488
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Speaker 1: that he's focused on. In the past, I have absolutely

489
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Speaker 1: cherished some of Jeff's books, including Showtime, which is the

490
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Speaker 1: impetus for the show winning Time. But I've read that

491
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Speaker 1: on a vacation on the beach. My wife I was

492
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Speaker 1: with her family and we were dating at the time,

493
00:22:56,306 --> 00:22:57,906
Speaker 1: and they were like, this guy's a little weird. All

494
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Speaker 1: he's doing is reading a book about the eighties Lakers,

495
00:22:59,826 --> 00:23:02,226
Speaker 1: and he's not really paying attention to us. But it's

496
00:23:02,346 --> 00:23:06,346
Speaker 1: one of my favorite sports books. Of all Time Sweetness,

497
00:23:06,546 --> 00:23:09,346
Speaker 1: A very controversial but awesome book on Walter Payton, but

498
00:23:09,426 --> 00:23:13,426
Speaker 1: it shows Walter Payton works in all, not just the

499
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Speaker 1: Walter Payton that has been portrayed over the last several years,

500
00:23:16,746 --> 00:23:24,066
Speaker 1: but a really, really, i'd say, journalistic and daring look

501
00:23:24,106 --> 00:23:27,906
Speaker 1: at Walter Payton's legacy. Boys Will Be Boys, a book

502
00:23:27,946 --> 00:23:33,106
Speaker 1: on the nineties cowboys that again, how that hasn't been

503
00:23:33,146 --> 00:23:35,346
Speaker 1: made into a movie or a doc yet? I don't

504
00:23:35,426 --> 00:23:37,906
Speaker 1: I don't know what to tell you. The Bad Guys one,

505
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Speaker 1: which was on the nineteen eighty six Mets and might

506
00:23:40,546 --> 00:23:42,746
Speaker 1: have been my favorite sports book of all time and

507
00:23:43,146 --> 00:23:46,026
Speaker 1: really helps you encourage me to go for it and

508
00:23:46,226 --> 00:23:48,146
Speaker 1: chase my dreams as a sports writer. I read that

509
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Speaker 1: at a very important time, right out of college, where

510
00:23:50,146 --> 00:23:52,026
Speaker 1: I was debiding what I wanted to do. And his

511
00:23:52,186 --> 00:23:55,106
Speaker 1: newest one is called The Last Folk Hero, and it's

512
00:23:55,146 --> 00:23:58,786
Speaker 1: a absolute romp. It's a three hundred page book on

513
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Speaker 1: Bo Jackson, a wonderful athlete who has a almost mythical

514
00:24:06,466 --> 00:24:09,306
Speaker 1: feel around him, and for the younger generation who might

515
00:24:09,386 --> 00:24:12,306
Speaker 1: not know much about Bo Jackson, gives you everything you

516
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Speaker 1: could ever want. For the older generation that might have

517
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Speaker 1: forgotten Bo Jackson. It's almost like a Paul Bunyan tale.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna bring Jeff in. He's really really talented, and

519
00:24:23,266 --> 00:24:27,826
Speaker 1: he's also really really curious about so many different things,

520
00:24:27,906 --> 00:24:29,706
Speaker 1: not only in sports but outside of sports. I think

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Speaker 1: he's going to be a great guest. Jeff Brewman r

522
00:24:31,746 --> 00:24:39,626
Speaker 1: after this with no further ado. My guy. Jeff Burlman

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Speaker 1: on the season with Peter Schrager. Jeff, what's up in

524
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Speaker 1: I'm in a car. You looked at me dubiously when

525
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Speaker 1: I told you I was in a car. But I'm

526
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Speaker 1: in a car for a good reason. Okay, do you

527
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Speaker 1: want to explain what the good reason is? Because I'll

528
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Speaker 1: tell you. When you book a guest on a show,

529
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Speaker 1: you'd like to think they're not going to be sitting

530
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Speaker 1: in an automobile fighting traffic. I'm not happy about this,

531
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Speaker 1: but it's pouring pouring rain in southern California. What's never happened? Okay,

532
00:25:03,066 --> 00:25:05,146
Speaker 1: my wife needs to go to the airport and there's

533
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Speaker 1: a You could not get an uber this morning at all?

534
00:25:07,186 --> 00:25:10,306
Speaker 1: All right, zero? Acceptable? You're so Hollywood now. I think

535
00:25:10,346 --> 00:25:14,066
Speaker 1: of you as this East Coast University of Delaware, New

536
00:25:14,186 --> 00:25:17,786
Speaker 1: York city guy, and now you're Southern California, Hollywood. Before

537
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Speaker 1: we get to the book you wrote, Showtime, which I

538
00:25:20,506 --> 00:25:22,466
Speaker 1: said in the intro is one of my favorite sports

539
00:25:22,506 --> 00:25:24,066
Speaker 1: books of all time. I was on a vacation with

540
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Speaker 1: my wife and her family, and I was just sitting

541
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Speaker 1: on the beach and I ripped through that book in

542
00:25:27,866 --> 00:25:29,426
Speaker 1: about three days. And I think they thought there was

543
00:25:29,426 --> 00:25:31,106
Speaker 1: something off with me, because they're like, he doesn't take

544
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Speaker 1: his head out of a book. I'm like, I love

545
00:25:32,706 --> 00:25:35,386
Speaker 1: this thing. And then sure enough, fast forward ten years

546
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Speaker 1: and HBO's Winning Time is obviously the adaptation of your book.

547
00:25:40,026 --> 00:25:43,466
Speaker 1: What was it like seeing one of your sports tombs,

548
00:25:43,546 --> 00:25:46,346
Speaker 1: like these amazing books that you've actually turned into a

549
00:25:46,466 --> 00:25:49,386
Speaker 1: successful Hollywood show. I would say dream come true, but

550
00:25:49,426 --> 00:25:53,706
Speaker 1: I never had any notions of that happening. It was amazing.

551
00:25:53,786 --> 00:25:55,466
Speaker 1: I mean the highlight for me, the moment of moment.

552
00:25:55,466 --> 00:25:56,986
Speaker 1: It's funny because I mean the card of my wife

553
00:25:56,986 --> 00:25:58,986
Speaker 1: and she wasn't here for it is they had a

554
00:25:59,066 --> 00:26:01,266
Speaker 1: premiere party and I got to take my kids. She

555
00:26:01,386 --> 00:26:03,586
Speaker 1: was out of town, and I'm at this place and

556
00:26:03,826 --> 00:26:05,626
Speaker 1: you know it's in Hollywood, and they do a shot

557
00:26:05,746 --> 00:26:07,746
Speaker 1: no more to where are you at here. I don't

558
00:26:07,746 --> 00:26:10,266
Speaker 1: remember where I've seen, but it was it was. It

559
00:26:10,386 --> 00:26:13,946
Speaker 1: was this cool old theater and I was with my

560
00:26:14,066 --> 00:26:16,026
Speaker 1: daughter who was eighteen at the time, and my son

561
00:26:16,106 --> 00:26:19,386
Speaker 1: who was fifteen, and they had this cigar rolling station

562
00:26:20,026 --> 00:26:23,306
Speaker 1: and my daughter's like, should we um, we should have

563
00:26:23,346 --> 00:26:25,666
Speaker 1: a cigar? And I was like, yeah, we should have

564
00:26:25,786 --> 00:26:29,946
Speaker 1: a cigar with me, my daughter, my son, and Michael Chikliss,

565
00:26:29,946 --> 00:26:34,226
Speaker 1: who plays Rent hour Back Smoky. It was awesome. It

566
00:26:34,346 --> 00:26:36,346
Speaker 1: was did you have any did you have any saying

567
00:26:36,426 --> 00:26:38,346
Speaker 1: like the casting or anything like I always think about,

568
00:26:38,786 --> 00:26:40,706
Speaker 1: you know, you write this book and then they say, okay,

569
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Speaker 1: we're turning it into a show, and then is it

570
00:26:42,306 --> 00:26:44,426
Speaker 1: just hey that that bird is now out of the

571
00:26:44,506 --> 00:26:45,946
Speaker 1: cage and I just kind of give up and I'm

572
00:26:46,106 --> 00:26:47,826
Speaker 1: happy to be a part of it. Or are you

573
00:26:47,906 --> 00:26:49,986
Speaker 1: sitting there in the casting and being like, you know what,

574
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Speaker 1: John c Riley, he really is good for for the

575
00:26:53,066 --> 00:26:54,826
Speaker 1: Jerry Bus roll, like, do you have any saying any

576
00:26:54,826 --> 00:26:56,906
Speaker 1: of that stuff? It was all me. Everything on that

577
00:26:56,986 --> 00:27:00,546
Speaker 1: show was you know, I will say, not like the casting.

578
00:27:00,626 --> 00:27:04,466
Speaker 1: They were really really good about asking me a lot

579
00:27:04,546 --> 00:27:08,066
Speaker 1: about authenticy authentist. Excuse me about does this work, Does

580
00:27:08,106 --> 00:27:10,786
Speaker 1: that work? Did this happen that way? Did that happen

581
00:27:10,866 --> 00:27:13,706
Speaker 1: that way? Season two, I'm actually listed as a producer,

582
00:27:14,106 --> 00:27:16,306
Speaker 1: which is funny, too cool. We don't know what that means.

583
00:27:16,386 --> 00:27:19,866
Speaker 1: But I am a chef, so that's pretty good. And uh,

584
00:27:20,466 --> 00:27:22,586
Speaker 1: but they you know, we got to be in the

585
00:27:22,746 --> 00:27:25,306
Speaker 1: in the pilot episode and I'm actually in two days.

586
00:27:25,346 --> 00:27:27,986
Speaker 1: I'm I'm appearing as a reporter in one of the episodes.

587
00:27:28,986 --> 00:27:32,866
Speaker 1: It's great, It's killer, it's great. Um, I look at

588
00:27:32,906 --> 00:27:34,986
Speaker 1: that book and it was great. But then like, to me,

589
00:27:35,146 --> 00:27:37,346
Speaker 1: the bad guys won, you know, with the eighty six

590
00:27:37,426 --> 00:27:40,106
Speaker 1: minutes boys will be boys with the nineties cowboys like

591
00:27:40,946 --> 00:27:43,106
Speaker 1: have you don't have to tell me yes or no.

592
00:27:43,346 --> 00:27:46,026
Speaker 1: But like, as imagine, your head starts swirling about all

593
00:27:46,026 --> 00:27:47,506
Speaker 1: the different great books you've forre in and like if

594
00:27:47,506 --> 00:27:51,066
Speaker 1: this could work for that story. Is there a future

595
00:27:51,106 --> 00:27:53,906
Speaker 1: where we're doing a letting distra you know, adapt data,

596
00:27:54,026 --> 00:27:56,906
Speaker 1: you know, with how it with Wally Backman and whatnot,

597
00:27:57,666 --> 00:28:00,106
Speaker 1: that'd be great. I mean, I do it is funny

598
00:28:00,146 --> 00:28:02,466
Speaker 1: what happens when something like this happens. And obviously you

599
00:28:02,586 --> 00:28:05,306
Speaker 1: become a little hotter property as far as you're stuff.

600
00:28:05,706 --> 00:28:10,026
Speaker 1: So since Anytime was made, I've written ten books, and

601
00:28:10,026 --> 00:28:13,266
Speaker 1: I'd say seven of them have been options. Now really, yeah,

602
00:28:13,466 --> 00:28:16,106
Speaker 1: as you know, that doesn't mean as much as as

603
00:28:16,146 --> 00:28:18,266
Speaker 1: you think, Like I mean, someone gives you a little money,

604
00:28:18,306 --> 00:28:20,426
Speaker 1: which is great. For the odds of it ever becoming

605
00:28:20,466 --> 00:28:22,426
Speaker 1: a many time or long, there's just so many verbals

606
00:28:22,466 --> 00:28:27,826
Speaker 1: and barriers. But it's been great. It's been great. Yeah, um,

607
00:28:28,146 --> 00:28:29,786
Speaker 1: your latest book. I know you've been doing the media

608
00:28:29,866 --> 00:28:31,866
Speaker 1: rounds a little bit, um, but I had to have

609
00:28:31,946 --> 00:28:34,666
Speaker 1: you on our podcast and on this show we've had

610
00:28:35,186 --> 00:28:38,266
Speaker 1: we do NFL Coaches, we do NFL gms. We uh

611
00:28:38,466 --> 00:28:40,186
Speaker 1: we try to, you know, really tell the story of

612
00:28:40,226 --> 00:28:43,066
Speaker 1: this season. But I thought week ten was perfect. Like

613
00:28:43,306 --> 00:28:45,506
Speaker 1: everyone should read this book. It's called The Last Folk Hero.

614
00:28:45,626 --> 00:28:47,746
Speaker 1: It's on Bo Jackson. I think what's interesting about it

615
00:28:47,866 --> 00:28:51,706
Speaker 1: is you interviewed over seven hundred people and everyone's got

616
00:28:51,786 --> 00:28:54,906
Speaker 1: their own Bo Jackson tall tale, almost like it's Paul

617
00:28:54,986 --> 00:28:58,106
Speaker 1: Bunyan or it's like a fable of some sort, or

618
00:28:58,266 --> 00:29:00,506
Speaker 1: like you interact with Bo Jackson. Here's it And there

619
00:29:00,626 --> 00:29:04,666
Speaker 1: is no YouTube necessarily, and there is no Snapchat or

620
00:29:04,706 --> 00:29:08,666
Speaker 1: Instagram to capture it. But like everybody who's who's who's

621
00:29:08,666 --> 00:29:11,626
Speaker 1: crossed his path, whether it beat Tom Flores timing him

622
00:29:11,746 --> 00:29:14,106
Speaker 1: on grass doing a forty and he runs a four

623
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Speaker 1: one seven, or it's a guy who sees him, you know,

624
00:29:17,466 --> 00:29:20,146
Speaker 1: hit a hit a baseball that that bursts the lights

625
00:29:20,186 --> 00:29:22,426
Speaker 1: at the University of Georgia during their first night game.

626
00:29:22,506 --> 00:29:26,106
Speaker 1: Like there's these crazy tall tales. What was your favorite

627
00:29:26,986 --> 00:29:29,426
Speaker 1: bow anecdote that you're like, that has to be in

628
00:29:29,506 --> 00:29:32,746
Speaker 1: the book. He was in a high school, a mcindury High.

629
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Speaker 1: They're playing Fairfield High. He hit a ball. Everyone told

630
00:29:37,266 --> 00:29:39,586
Speaker 1: me this. He hit a ball so high that by

631
00:29:39,666 --> 00:29:41,186
Speaker 1: the time it came down in left field, he was

632
00:29:41,306 --> 00:29:44,786
Speaker 1: rounding third piece. And I thought, there's no way that's true.

633
00:29:44,826 --> 00:29:47,546
Speaker 1: There's no way that's true. And I started everyone people

634
00:29:47,546 --> 00:29:48,746
Speaker 1: who are at the game, and they'd be like, no,

635
00:29:48,826 --> 00:29:50,626
Speaker 1: I'm telling you it's true. No, I'm telling you. And

636
00:29:50,706 --> 00:29:52,706
Speaker 1: someone said, you need to talk to Eddie Scott. But

637
00:29:52,826 --> 00:29:55,626
Speaker 1: who's Eddie Scott. Eddie was playing left field back game.

638
00:29:55,666 --> 00:29:58,226
Speaker 1: You need to talk to Eddie. So I tracked down

639
00:29:58,306 --> 00:30:01,386
Speaker 1: Eddie Scott and he's like, I am telling you it's true.

640
00:30:01,386 --> 00:30:03,146
Speaker 1: I was playing left field. He went out to play

641
00:30:03,186 --> 00:30:04,786
Speaker 1: in college that he did, and he's like, it's the

642
00:30:04,906 --> 00:30:08,186
Speaker 1: highest Bob I've ever seen. I the ball, it finally

643
00:30:08,266 --> 00:30:11,706
Speaker 1: comes down, I pick it up, I look up bows,

644
00:30:11,786 --> 00:30:14,226
Speaker 1: rounding third and heading for home. And the cool aftermath

645
00:30:14,266 --> 00:30:17,906
Speaker 1: of this story is um Last week I was in Alabama,

646
00:30:18,026 --> 00:30:20,506
Speaker 1: in Homeward, Alabama during a signing and there was at

647
00:30:20,506 --> 00:30:22,066
Speaker 1: a place where everyone had to wear a mask because

648
00:30:22,066 --> 00:30:23,866
Speaker 1: one of the people who worked there was a compromise

649
00:30:24,466 --> 00:30:27,146
Speaker 1: and this guy walks up. He's like Jeff, and I

650
00:30:27,226 --> 00:30:28,786
Speaker 1: go yeah. He pulls down his mask and he goes,

651
00:30:28,826 --> 00:30:31,426
Speaker 1: I'm Eddie Scott and I was like, oh my god,

652
00:30:32,026 --> 00:30:34,146
Speaker 1: the star of my book. And he said he saw

653
00:30:34,186 --> 00:30:35,906
Speaker 1: me on the Today Show talking about him and his

654
00:30:35,986 --> 00:30:38,706
Speaker 1: family was so thrilled, and so yeah, I love that

655
00:30:38,826 --> 00:30:41,866
Speaker 1: story real quickly, tell the I mean the high school

656
00:30:42,586 --> 00:30:45,146
Speaker 1: career of Bo Jackson, all the sports. I think you

657
00:30:45,186 --> 00:30:46,866
Speaker 1: know you did the synopsis of all the track in

658
00:30:46,866 --> 00:30:48,706
Speaker 1: the football, but like, just give us the like, just

659
00:30:48,826 --> 00:30:51,546
Speaker 1: for the listener at home. What was Bo Jackson in

660
00:30:51,666 --> 00:30:54,786
Speaker 1: high school? It's my favorite thing ever. Okay, he wanted

661
00:30:54,866 --> 00:30:56,746
Speaker 1: his senior as a junior and senior who went back

662
00:30:56,746 --> 00:30:59,306
Speaker 1: to back state decathlon championships without having to run the

663
00:30:59,346 --> 00:31:01,386
Speaker 1: fifteen hundred the final race, because he didn't want to.

664
00:31:01,986 --> 00:31:04,866
Speaker 1: He his senior year, he didn't take off his sweats

665
00:31:05,146 --> 00:31:06,906
Speaker 1: for the decathlon, so he did all the events in

666
00:31:06,986 --> 00:31:09,186
Speaker 1: his sweats. I don't think it was to intimidate people

667
00:31:09,226 --> 00:31:11,506
Speaker 1: are wet. He wins the decaf on his senior after

668
00:31:11,586 --> 00:31:14,466
Speaker 1: spraining an ankle midway through the next day, starts for

669
00:31:14,506 --> 00:31:16,866
Speaker 1: the mcindoy baseball team. The only pitching appearance of the

670
00:31:16,946 --> 00:31:19,746
Speaker 1: year for bow Jackson strikes out thirteen in a playoff win.

671
00:31:20,346 --> 00:31:24,026
Speaker 1: He stole nine bases. I talked to the catcher Sam Doss,

672
00:31:24,306 --> 00:31:27,026
Speaker 1: who told me after throwing him out, Bo's next up

673
00:31:27,026 --> 00:31:30,946
Speaker 1: at he homered and winked at him. He said, five

674
00:31:31,146 --> 00:31:36,546
Speaker 1: individual state track and field records. He was drafted by

675
00:31:36,546 --> 00:31:40,026
Speaker 1: the Yankees in the second round of his senior year,

676
00:31:40,466 --> 00:31:42,426
Speaker 1: and the Yankees kept trying to find him because they

677
00:31:42,466 --> 00:31:45,026
Speaker 1: wanted to negotiate with him, and his mom was so

678
00:31:45,186 --> 00:31:47,586
Speaker 1: dead set on him going to college, and also Auburn's

679
00:31:47,586 --> 00:31:50,106
Speaker 1: sort of recruiters put a wall around him. The Yankees

680
00:31:50,186 --> 00:31:52,306
Speaker 1: literally could not get in touch with him. They had

681
00:31:52,346 --> 00:31:54,426
Speaker 1: a scout knock on his door, would not answer the door.

682
00:31:54,626 --> 00:31:57,226
Speaker 1: They called his high school baseball coach Terry Brazil, and said,

683
00:31:58,186 --> 00:32:01,586
Speaker 1: we want to sign fly you and Bow to Yankee

684
00:32:01,626 --> 00:32:04,386
Speaker 1: Stadium for Yankees Red Sox and the coaches like that

685
00:32:04,506 --> 00:32:06,666
Speaker 1: sounds great, those like, yeah, I don't want to do it.

686
00:32:06,706 --> 00:32:09,626
Speaker 1: I don't care, I'm going over, Like he just he

687
00:32:09,826 --> 00:32:13,506
Speaker 1: was unbelievable and unmoved and couldn't have named one player

688
00:32:13,546 --> 00:32:15,386
Speaker 1: on the Yankees or the Red Sox, and certainly didn't

689
00:32:15,426 --> 00:32:18,626
Speaker 1: know they were rivals. Like he was dis predicted. You

690
00:32:18,746 --> 00:32:21,346
Speaker 1: tell that, You say that story. Then there was his

691
00:32:21,506 --> 00:32:23,786
Speaker 1: first career hit is off a Hall of Fame, You'll

692
00:32:23,786 --> 00:32:27,746
Speaker 1: tell the story. But like Bow wasn't like a sports savant,

693
00:32:27,946 --> 00:32:30,186
Speaker 1: but and I don't say that, like not question it's intellectual,

694
00:32:30,266 --> 00:32:33,066
Speaker 1: so like did not follow these sports, just was an

695
00:32:33,066 --> 00:32:36,146
Speaker 1: absolute freak and played them. Yeah, didn't didn't care, didn't know,

696
00:32:36,306 --> 00:32:39,426
Speaker 1: didn't watch um. First major League got bat September two,

697
00:32:39,586 --> 00:32:42,186
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty six. He's caught up from Memphis. He's very

698
00:32:42,306 --> 00:32:45,106
Speaker 1: raw on the mount. Steve Carton at the time three

699
00:32:45,226 --> 00:32:47,186
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty one game winner, obviously a Hall of Famer.

700
00:32:47,706 --> 00:32:49,946
Speaker 1: It's this beautiful seven pitch at bat. It's like a

701
00:32:50,066 --> 00:32:53,186
Speaker 1: rock Opera and bow. I mean, he looks like every

702
00:32:53,266 --> 00:32:55,346
Speaker 1: muscle was popping out of that uniform. The uniform is

703
00:32:55,386 --> 00:32:58,306
Speaker 1: so tight. He was so built. And on the seventh

704
00:32:58,306 --> 00:33:00,386
Speaker 1: pitch of the at bat, after almost hitting a home run,

705
00:33:00,986 --> 00:33:02,706
Speaker 1: he grounds out to second. All right, it's a ground

706
00:33:02,826 --> 00:33:05,506
Speaker 1: or second. He hits atimulate ul it fields a bob

707
00:33:06,026 --> 00:33:09,106
Speaker 1: and runs a He runs a three six down the line.

708
00:33:09,546 --> 00:33:12,466
Speaker 1: It's the second fastest recorded time and major League history

709
00:33:12,506 --> 00:33:15,706
Speaker 1: by right, Mickey manno is the only faster. And there's

710
00:33:16,066 --> 00:33:18,466
Speaker 1: I'm just saying. The stop watches were Mickey Manto played

711
00:33:18,546 --> 00:33:20,306
Speaker 1: or click click click click click, and the botas were

712
00:33:20,706 --> 00:33:24,546
Speaker 1: like and the scout behind home played Art Steward from

713
00:33:24,546 --> 00:33:26,986
Speaker 1: the Royals. He looks at his stop watch and he

714
00:33:27,066 --> 00:33:28,546
Speaker 1: turned to the other guys, and someone's like, what did

715
00:33:28,586 --> 00:33:30,026
Speaker 1: you get? And he's like, it's not even worth it.

716
00:33:30,186 --> 00:33:32,426
Speaker 1: It's wrong. Someone else is like, well, what do you get?

717
00:33:32,466 --> 00:33:34,746
Speaker 1: What you get it's wrong? Well, I got a three six.

718
00:33:34,946 --> 00:33:36,866
Speaker 1: He's like, I got it three six, Holy crap, I

719
00:33:36,906 --> 00:33:39,346
Speaker 1: got it three six. Like they didn't believe it. After

720
00:33:39,466 --> 00:33:41,706
Speaker 1: the game, Bo Jackson has asked what it meant to

721
00:33:41,746 --> 00:33:43,866
Speaker 1: him getting his first hit off Steve Carlton, he knows

722
00:33:43,866 --> 00:33:47,386
Speaker 1: who he was. Yeah, no idea and that's I mean,

723
00:33:47,466 --> 00:33:50,226
Speaker 1: I love that. And then he gets drafted by the Buccaneers,

724
00:33:50,306 --> 00:33:53,186
Speaker 1: but he doesn't go what's the reasoning behind that? And

725
00:33:53,266 --> 00:33:56,666
Speaker 1: then the mythology after that. So he's drafted. He's um.

726
00:33:57,426 --> 00:34:00,546
Speaker 1: Before the draft, the Buccaneers fly him to Tampa for

727
00:34:00,586 --> 00:34:03,306
Speaker 1: a physical. And this is during Auburn's baseball season. And

728
00:34:03,426 --> 00:34:05,866
Speaker 1: how bad does the Auburn baseball coach and bow is

729
00:34:05,946 --> 00:34:08,266
Speaker 1: late for a g against you Alabama Birmingham and someone's

730
00:34:08,266 --> 00:34:10,026
Speaker 1: like how it is like to a player, where's boat?

731
00:34:10,346 --> 00:34:13,346
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, um, he flew to Tampa. He flew

732
00:34:13,386 --> 00:34:15,746
Speaker 1: to Tampa. Yeah, the Buccaneers flew in from physical. He

733
00:34:15,866 --> 00:34:19,586
Speaker 1: what he's that violated SEC rules almost ever around the country.

734
00:34:19,626 --> 00:34:21,746
Speaker 1: You could play amateur, one sport, pro another not in

735
00:34:21,786 --> 00:34:25,026
Speaker 1: the SEC, which you and I both know. It's absolutely

736
00:34:25,346 --> 00:34:29,666
Speaker 1: saved because he was getting paid. It's a joke. Yeah,

737
00:34:29,706 --> 00:34:32,826
Speaker 1: So he bo blames the Buccaneers. He says this is

738
00:34:32,826 --> 00:34:35,706
Speaker 1: behind them, and they they end up drafting him number one.

739
00:34:35,706 --> 00:34:37,426
Speaker 1: The head coach was Lemon Bennett, and he said to you,

740
00:34:37,506 --> 00:34:39,066
Speaker 1: Culver House, do not draft him if he's not going

741
00:34:39,106 --> 00:34:41,146
Speaker 1: to play here, and Calbveruse is like, nah, he'll play,

742
00:34:41,186 --> 00:34:44,266
Speaker 1: He'll play. They draft number one voter doesn't want to

743
00:34:44,266 --> 00:34:45,826
Speaker 1: play there, but his aids and shown him to fly

744
00:34:45,906 --> 00:34:48,226
Speaker 1: to Tampa and me with the team. He flies. Steve

745
00:34:48,346 --> 00:34:50,506
Speaker 1: Young maybe my favorite interview of all the time for

746
00:34:50,626 --> 00:34:53,786
Speaker 1: multiple Bucks because he is the best um. He was

747
00:34:53,826 --> 00:34:55,746
Speaker 1: the Bucks quarterback at the time, and U culver House,

748
00:34:55,746 --> 00:34:58,186
Speaker 1: the owner, says, why don't you come come with me?

749
00:34:58,266 --> 00:35:00,426
Speaker 1: And voted dinner, we can wine and dine. Boat When

750
00:35:00,466 --> 00:35:02,746
Speaker 1: they go to dinner and culver House does one of

751
00:35:02,786 --> 00:35:04,466
Speaker 1: these like Hey, I'm gonna I'm gonna leave you guys

752
00:35:04,466 --> 00:35:06,346
Speaker 1: for a minute just to talk, and he gets up.

753
00:35:06,506 --> 00:35:08,826
Speaker 1: Bo Jackson says to Steve Young, just so you know,

754
00:35:09,226 --> 00:35:11,426
Speaker 1: there's no evan way I ever signed with this team.

755
00:35:11,866 --> 00:35:13,986
Speaker 1: And the next day Scott Brantley and a bunch of

756
00:35:14,026 --> 00:35:17,786
Speaker 1: teammates to both Fishing Buccaneers players and Brantley said to

757
00:35:17,826 --> 00:35:19,746
Speaker 1: bout listen man, we would love to have you, but

758
00:35:19,826 --> 00:35:21,186
Speaker 1: you don't want to play here. You don't want to

759
00:35:21,186 --> 00:35:23,786
Speaker 1: play here, and the Royals draft him in the fourth round.

760
00:35:24,706 --> 00:35:27,106
Speaker 1: The line from Art Stewart, the scouting director, was our

761
00:35:27,146 --> 00:35:30,826
Speaker 1: franchise won't fold if bo Jackson doesn't sign here. He

762
00:35:30,946 --> 00:35:33,786
Speaker 1: hated the Buccaneers so much the Royals agreed to signed

763
00:35:33,786 --> 00:35:35,626
Speaker 1: to a million dollars. It was very important to Boat.

764
00:35:35,706 --> 00:35:38,586
Speaker 1: The original offer was like nine point eighty thousand. You

765
00:35:38,586 --> 00:35:41,706
Speaker 1: want a million, They said, we'll make you a millionaire,

766
00:35:41,946 --> 00:35:44,186
Speaker 1: and they signed bo Jackson. In his contract he would

767
00:35:44,186 --> 00:35:45,666
Speaker 1: be called up by the end of nine eighty six,

768
00:35:45,706 --> 00:35:49,906
Speaker 1: which he was m Then the Raiders come calling. It's

769
00:35:49,946 --> 00:35:53,586
Speaker 1: after or during the NFL lockout, or the players have

770
00:35:53,666 --> 00:35:57,186
Speaker 1: a stoppage, and that same season eighty seven he ends

771
00:35:57,226 --> 00:35:59,426
Speaker 1: up there. But what I find interesting they already had

772
00:35:59,506 --> 00:36:02,746
Speaker 1: Marcus Allen, who was one of the great Super Bowl heroes.

773
00:36:02,786 --> 00:36:04,466
Speaker 1: But like you talk about it in this book, it's

774
00:36:04,946 --> 00:36:08,226
Speaker 1: very odd. They were like as good as Marcus Allen was,

775
00:36:08,346 --> 00:36:11,146
Speaker 1: as charitable as he was, as glowing a personality as

776
00:36:11,186 --> 00:36:14,306
Speaker 1: he was for the LA Raiders, al Davis didn't like him.

777
00:36:14,706 --> 00:36:16,986
Speaker 1: We'll go and then bo Jackson comes along, and we've

778
00:36:17,026 --> 00:36:19,706
Speaker 1: got two of the best running backs in one backfield. Yeah,

779
00:36:19,866 --> 00:36:22,426
Speaker 1: it's super weird. Al Davis has a lot of sort

780
00:36:22,426 --> 00:36:25,386
Speaker 1: of like he was very impulsive and very in a

781
00:36:25,466 --> 00:36:27,506
Speaker 1: way hard to read and somebody's very easy to read.

782
00:36:27,786 --> 00:36:29,706
Speaker 1: And there was all this there was all this discussion

783
00:36:29,746 --> 00:36:32,306
Speaker 1: always why did Bo Why did all Davis hate Marks

784
00:36:32,306 --> 00:36:35,066
Speaker 1: Allen so much? And the best reason I got, I

785
00:36:35,186 --> 00:36:37,786
Speaker 1: swear was after they won that supermow and eighty three

786
00:36:38,226 --> 00:36:41,346
Speaker 1: eighty three right or eighty four they beat the Redskins. Yeah,

787
00:36:42,506 --> 00:36:45,706
Speaker 1: Marcus Allen appeared on the cover of a book about

788
00:36:45,746 --> 00:36:49,506
Speaker 1: that season and Al Davis flipped and I really hated

789
00:36:49,586 --> 00:36:52,226
Speaker 1: the idea of someone being the face of the Raiders.

790
00:36:52,306 --> 00:36:54,786
Speaker 1: Besides Al Davis, I hated it. So he brings in

791
00:36:54,866 --> 00:36:56,946
Speaker 1: Bo Jackson. He kind of used Bo Jackson in a

792
00:36:57,026 --> 00:36:59,386
Speaker 1: way as a Marcus Allen anecdote, like I'll show you

793
00:36:59,986 --> 00:37:02,786
Speaker 1: and we get about Bo Jackson. It's funny during his

794
00:37:02,906 --> 00:37:04,666
Speaker 1: first practice with the Raiders, or one of his first

795
00:37:04,706 --> 00:37:09,666
Speaker 1: practice is first practice, Um, it's it's eighty seven. You

796
00:37:09,786 --> 00:37:12,066
Speaker 1: have a lot of the replacement players are stowing camp

797
00:37:12,746 --> 00:37:15,026
Speaker 1: because they're helping get the older readers back in the shape.

798
00:37:15,666 --> 00:37:18,106
Speaker 1: And Matt Millan and Rod Markin are playing linebackers in

799
00:37:18,186 --> 00:37:20,706
Speaker 1: these drills and they're just beating up on the scabs

800
00:37:20,746 --> 00:37:23,226
Speaker 1: like we're just gonna kill the scabs. And this guy

801
00:37:23,306 --> 00:37:25,586
Speaker 1: takes a handoff and he runs around and Matt Millan

802
00:37:26,146 --> 00:37:27,786
Speaker 1: he Matt Millen is like, whoa who was that guy?

803
00:37:28,826 --> 00:37:30,426
Speaker 1: All right, miss is tackle. I'm gonna get back the

804
00:37:30,426 --> 00:37:33,386
Speaker 1: same playing. He apologizes, right, he apologizes to the other guy.

805
00:37:34,586 --> 00:37:37,386
Speaker 1: I don't know what's wrong with me. And he misses again,

806
00:37:37,466 --> 00:37:39,466
Speaker 1: and he's like, geez, what the hell? Who's the scab?

807
00:37:39,826 --> 00:37:41,866
Speaker 1: And Rod Martin is cracking up. He's like, you dumbass,

808
00:37:41,906 --> 00:37:45,066
Speaker 1: that's that's Bow Jackson and Matt Millan's like huh. And

809
00:37:45,306 --> 00:37:47,466
Speaker 1: on the sideline, Marks Allen is watching this drill with

810
00:37:47,626 --> 00:37:50,586
Speaker 1: James Lofton, and Lofton says from him, well, there goes

811
00:37:50,666 --> 00:37:53,066
Speaker 1: your job. It's did and Bow is that good? And

812
00:37:54,146 --> 00:37:56,986
Speaker 1: obviously the Bodsworth game and the second Bosworth game because

813
00:37:56,986 --> 00:37:58,546
Speaker 1: people don't realize and I didn't know this. I'm reading

814
00:37:58,546 --> 00:38:00,546
Speaker 1: your book. Like the first game he ever played in

815
00:38:00,666 --> 00:38:02,946
Speaker 1: was against Seattle. He didn't get the dress. And Bosworth

816
00:38:03,026 --> 00:38:05,466
Speaker 1: has this like incredible game, and then of course he

817
00:38:05,586 --> 00:38:07,986
Speaker 1: does what he does the Kingdome on Monday Night football.

818
00:38:08,506 --> 00:38:12,626
Speaker 1: But I got a fast forward to eighty nine. I'm

819
00:38:12,666 --> 00:38:14,466
Speaker 1: a seven year old kid in New Jersey and I

820
00:38:14,546 --> 00:38:17,826
Speaker 1: know exactly where I was watching the MLB All Star

821
00:38:17,946 --> 00:38:21,146
Speaker 1: Game and if you can't, I hate just teeing you

822
00:38:21,226 --> 00:38:22,746
Speaker 1: up with stories, but this is what you do best.

823
00:38:22,826 --> 00:38:24,666
Speaker 1: Like can just take us to Mickey Mantles in New

824
00:38:24,746 --> 00:38:27,666
Speaker 1: York City, the whole situation and where we're at eighty

825
00:38:27,746 --> 00:38:30,066
Speaker 1: nine and they'll be All Star Game. Bo Jackson starting

826
00:38:30,106 --> 00:38:33,146
Speaker 1: in center field, so it's his only All Star Game appearance.

827
00:38:33,306 --> 00:38:35,626
Speaker 1: And the day before the game, Tony LaRussa, who was

828
00:38:35,626 --> 00:38:38,906
Speaker 1: a manager of the Al pulls Wade Bogs and boer Side.

829
00:38:38,906 --> 00:38:40,786
Speaker 1: It says, you know, wait, I'm gonna have Bow lead off,

830
00:38:41,066 --> 00:38:43,026
Speaker 1: just kind of for the moment, the bigness of the moment.

831
00:38:43,826 --> 00:38:47,106
Speaker 1: Jackson's way boxes Cord. They practice a handshake actually to

832
00:38:47,186 --> 00:38:50,706
Speaker 1: do after someone homers. So Bo Jackson leads off. Rick

833
00:38:50,786 --> 00:38:53,066
Speaker 1: Rush was on the mound in the booth, Vince Scully

834
00:38:53,106 --> 00:38:56,746
Speaker 1: and Ronald Reagan. It's a beautiful Southern California day ante stadium.

835
00:38:57,226 --> 00:38:59,386
Speaker 1: Second pitch from Russell Bow takes a slider. It just

836
00:38:59,626 --> 00:39:03,146
Speaker 1: nails a dead center into the batter's eye over air teams.

837
00:39:04,226 --> 00:39:07,146
Speaker 1: Nike decided the Austar game was when they were going

838
00:39:07,186 --> 00:39:09,266
Speaker 1: to debut the Bow. You don't know Deadly at which

839
00:39:09,346 --> 00:39:12,146
Speaker 1: was their enormous ad by It was really the launch

840
00:39:12,186 --> 00:39:14,466
Speaker 1: of Bow Knows. And that's the add with Jim Everett

841
00:39:14,506 --> 00:39:17,986
Speaker 1: and Michael Jordan and Wayne Gretzky and Gibson Well, all

842
00:39:18,066 --> 00:39:20,466
Speaker 1: the Nike executives are watching the game of Mickey Mantle's

843
00:39:20,506 --> 00:39:22,786
Speaker 1: restaurant in New York City and which, by the way,

844
00:39:22,786 --> 00:39:24,986
Speaker 1: it was a really good restaurant to great Burger. It

845
00:39:25,106 --> 00:39:27,946
Speaker 1: was good. Yeah, yeah, it was really cool. It was

846
00:39:28,026 --> 00:39:30,466
Speaker 1: right south the south the park and bo Jackson hits

847
00:39:30,506 --> 00:39:31,946
Speaker 1: his homer and the ad is going to run at

848
00:39:31,946 --> 00:39:35,266
Speaker 1: the beginning of the fourth inning and they just go crazy.

849
00:39:35,426 --> 00:39:38,226
Speaker 1: They are jumping up and down, screaming, shouting, celebrating because

850
00:39:38,506 --> 00:39:41,426
Speaker 1: the timing of this, the serendipity of we're doing this

851
00:39:41,586 --> 00:39:44,186
Speaker 1: launch on the day that Bow Jackson, in a lot

852
00:39:44,226 --> 00:39:48,466
Speaker 1: of ways announces himself as a national, national two sport phenomena.

853
00:39:49,306 --> 00:39:51,386
Speaker 1: And you know obviously that that goes on to be

854
00:39:51,466 --> 00:39:53,306
Speaker 1: one of the great sports marketing campaigns and one of

855
00:39:53,306 --> 00:39:56,066
Speaker 1: the things. But I always say, O Jackson says almost

856
00:39:56,066 --> 00:39:58,306
Speaker 1: nothing in those ads, like that's kind of amazing about it.

857
00:39:58,586 --> 00:40:01,466
Speaker 1: Jordan talks in most of his ads p Jackson. He says.

858
00:40:02,306 --> 00:40:03,626
Speaker 1: In one of the ads, he says, so when's that

859
00:40:03,706 --> 00:40:05,906
Speaker 1: toward de France thing anyway? And I think he says

860
00:40:06,706 --> 00:40:09,186
Speaker 1: in another one, so when's that Boston Marathon? That's it.

861
00:40:09,986 --> 00:40:11,666
Speaker 1: He was a guy with a stutter. He was shy,

862
00:40:12,226 --> 00:40:14,546
Speaker 1: he was soft spoken, he was guarded, and they built

863
00:40:14,586 --> 00:40:18,306
Speaker 1: the perfect ad campaign based on his talents. He took

864
00:40:18,346 --> 00:40:20,666
Speaker 1: a little a little easter egg on Gretzky and the

865
00:40:20,946 --> 00:40:23,306
Speaker 1: the ice skating. Oh it's so funny. So everyone in

866
00:40:23,386 --> 00:40:25,746
Speaker 1: that ad is supposed to say bonus, bonus, hockey, bonus

867
00:40:25,746 --> 00:40:29,306
Speaker 1: based on his His line was bonus hockey. But he

868
00:40:29,506 --> 00:40:31,946
Speaker 1: was terrible and actually he just put I mean one line,

869
00:40:31,986 --> 00:40:34,826
Speaker 1: but he portraed it over and over again. Did so

870
00:40:35,386 --> 00:40:37,426
Speaker 1: he just he goes up and he just says no.

871
00:40:37,906 --> 00:40:40,906
Speaker 1: And they showed it didn't actually work perfectly. And there's

872
00:40:40,906 --> 00:40:43,586
Speaker 1: a scene of bow skating and he's in a king's uniform,

873
00:40:43,626 --> 00:40:45,546
Speaker 1: but it actually took place on a high school gym

874
00:40:45,626 --> 00:40:48,586
Speaker 1: gym floor in Kansas, and he was wearing socks, no skates.

875
00:40:49,186 --> 00:40:51,426
Speaker 1: I love that. I love that. And then he runs

876
00:40:51,546 --> 00:40:58,506
Speaker 1: up the wall in Baltimore Memorial Stadium. I think you

877
00:40:58,626 --> 00:41:00,906
Speaker 1: make a good point in the book, like people ask

878
00:41:00,946 --> 00:41:02,866
Speaker 1: who's the best athlete of all time, and you can

879
00:41:02,946 --> 00:41:05,026
Speaker 1: get Jim Thorpe, and you can get Dion Sanders, and

880
00:41:05,066 --> 00:41:07,546
Speaker 1: you could talk. You're saying, Bowl, there's never been another

881
00:41:07,626 --> 00:41:10,226
Speaker 1: human being who's run up a wall before? Is that?

882
00:41:10,546 --> 00:41:12,746
Speaker 1: Is that not the statement that Bow? Just if you

883
00:41:12,786 --> 00:41:14,786
Speaker 1: want to see what Bow Jackson was as an athlete,

884
00:41:15,026 --> 00:41:17,026
Speaker 1: watch him cash his fly ball as he runs up

885
00:41:17,146 --> 00:41:21,266
Speaker 1: an actual outfield wall. Because you can always say, you

886
00:41:21,346 --> 00:41:25,306
Speaker 1: know whoa that throw by whoever was amazing, or that

887
00:41:25,506 --> 00:41:27,466
Speaker 1: run by so and so it was amazing. Of course

888
00:41:27,466 --> 00:41:30,346
Speaker 1: a John Ross or someone ran in at the same time. Combine,

889
00:41:30,346 --> 00:41:32,466
Speaker 1: you know, blah blah blah. No one's ever run up

890
00:41:32,466 --> 00:41:34,866
Speaker 1: the wall. And I interviewed a lot of it. So further,

891
00:41:34,986 --> 00:41:37,026
Speaker 1: it was a flimsy wall. It was in Baltimore's old

892
00:41:37,026 --> 00:41:39,666
Speaker 1: Memorial State. It was flimsy, and he ran up the

893
00:41:39,706 --> 00:41:41,626
Speaker 1: wall and he was so high up the wall. I

894
00:41:41,746 --> 00:41:43,826
Speaker 1: talked to guys with the Orioles. The guys in the

895
00:41:43,866 --> 00:41:46,226
Speaker 1: bullpen pulled back because they thought Bow was coming over

896
00:41:46,306 --> 00:41:50,346
Speaker 1: the wall, and yeah, no one's ever done it. Other

897
00:41:50,426 --> 00:41:52,066
Speaker 1: things I taught to a guy named Chad Allen and

898
00:41:52,146 --> 00:41:53,906
Speaker 1: played with Boone and the memph with the Memphis Chicks.

899
00:41:54,426 --> 00:41:57,146
Speaker 1: He said there was a game against Charlotte in the

900
00:41:57,226 --> 00:42:00,986
Speaker 1: minor leagues and bo also ran up a wall, but

901
00:42:01,026 --> 00:42:02,786
Speaker 1: they were like forty guys there at the game. So

902
00:42:02,906 --> 00:42:04,426
Speaker 1: when he saw it, he was like, oh, there you go.

903
00:42:05,266 --> 00:42:07,506
Speaker 1: The next day, the finding is the next day across

904
00:42:07,546 --> 00:42:11,106
Speaker 1: the major leagues during BP, guys are shagging balls and

905
00:42:11,146 --> 00:42:12,866
Speaker 1: guys are trying to run up the raw the wall,

906
00:42:13,026 --> 00:42:15,866
Speaker 1: so all across the majors and no one could do it. Obviously,

907
00:42:15,906 --> 00:42:18,626
Speaker 1: no one's done a sense, it's incredible the four, one,

908
00:42:18,826 --> 00:42:23,666
Speaker 1: seven forty ungrassed the running up the wall. And yet

909
00:42:23,786 --> 00:42:26,026
Speaker 1: you make a good point throughout the book that you

910
00:42:26,146 --> 00:42:31,906
Speaker 1: know Bow's legacy and why he's a folk hero, and

911
00:42:32,066 --> 00:42:34,146
Speaker 1: maybe why it adds to the mystiqua Bow is that

912
00:42:34,226 --> 00:42:39,906
Speaker 1: it all ends so quickly, and he's not necessarily Michael

913
00:42:39,946 --> 00:42:44,866
Speaker 1: Strahan or Charles Barkley or painting and Eli Manning. You

914
00:42:44,946 --> 00:42:48,586
Speaker 1: don't see Bow Jackson. He's still alive, he's still around,

915
00:42:49,346 --> 00:42:53,626
Speaker 1: and yet very short NFL career, very short baseball career

916
00:42:53,906 --> 00:42:56,466
Speaker 1: came over the hip surgery. Obviously had his moment with

917
00:42:56,546 --> 00:42:59,226
Speaker 1: the White soft but that wasn't along. Do you think

918
00:42:59,266 --> 00:43:02,106
Speaker 1: that adds to me? That's the mystique that like what

919
00:43:02,306 --> 00:43:05,146
Speaker 1: could have been is almost more fascinating than like, all right,

920
00:43:05,226 --> 00:43:07,146
Speaker 1: he had a nice tenure career and was a really

921
00:43:07,146 --> 00:43:09,306
Speaker 1: good athlete at the peak of it times a million.

922
00:43:09,666 --> 00:43:12,306
Speaker 1: I don't want to write the m Smith biography. Well,

923
00:43:12,346 --> 00:43:14,026
Speaker 1: and with all due respect Emi Smith, I don't want

924
00:43:14,026 --> 00:43:15,466
Speaker 1: to write that book. I don't want to write the

925
00:43:15,506 --> 00:43:18,146
Speaker 1: Gary Sheffield biography. With all due respect to Gary Sheffield.

926
00:43:18,626 --> 00:43:21,666
Speaker 1: The whole thing about bow Jackson is all right. First

927
00:43:21,706 --> 00:43:23,706
Speaker 1: of all, there are enough. There are those five or

928
00:43:23,786 --> 00:43:27,106
Speaker 1: six highlights on YouTube just to me, not just great runs,

929
00:43:27,146 --> 00:43:29,426
Speaker 1: but running up a wall, throwing out Howard Reynolds at home,

930
00:43:29,626 --> 00:43:31,946
Speaker 1: running over the bars, the ninety one yard run, running

931
00:43:31,946 --> 00:43:35,466
Speaker 1: over my carden. Enough of those where you say, holy crap.

932
00:43:36,426 --> 00:43:39,146
Speaker 1: But there aren't enough where we have two hundred, you know,

933
00:43:39,306 --> 00:43:42,106
Speaker 1: like there's enough where you believe the mythology, where you

934
00:43:42,146 --> 00:43:43,986
Speaker 1: believe that actually is possible that he hit them all

935
00:43:44,026 --> 00:43:45,746
Speaker 1: so high, that he rounded the third, that he did

936
00:43:45,826 --> 00:43:48,266
Speaker 1: run in four one, three forty, And if we saw

937
00:43:48,346 --> 00:43:50,226
Speaker 1: it all, it wouldn't be nearly as interesting. So Emma

938
00:43:50,306 --> 00:43:52,826
Speaker 1: Smith was amazing. But we saw it all. Gary Sheffield, amazing,

939
00:43:52,906 --> 00:43:54,706
Speaker 1: we saw it all. I love the question mark over

940
00:43:54,706 --> 00:43:57,226
Speaker 1: about it's a whole thing. It is the whole thing.

941
00:43:58,106 --> 00:44:01,506
Speaker 1: I'll end it with this. I love this book so much. Right,

942
00:44:01,826 --> 00:44:04,186
Speaker 1: and like then they're doing the media and both comes

943
00:44:04,226 --> 00:44:06,386
Speaker 1: out and he's like, I didn't take part in this book.

944
00:44:06,426 --> 00:44:08,506
Speaker 1: You didn't interview Bo. Did you try to get Bow

945
00:44:09,466 --> 00:44:12,666
Speaker 1: for this book? And what has been the response since?

946
00:44:12,746 --> 00:44:15,586
Speaker 1: And have you heard from Bow directly, because honestly, Jeff,

947
00:44:15,586 --> 00:44:17,306
Speaker 1: I've read some of your books. They're not always glowing

948
00:44:17,346 --> 00:44:20,186
Speaker 1: about the subject. The far book is very fair. The

949
00:44:20,266 --> 00:44:23,146
Speaker 1: Walter Payton book of course, had its you know, reaction

950
00:44:23,226 --> 00:44:26,906
Speaker 1: by many in the Chicago media. This book, Yeah, there's

951
00:44:26,946 --> 00:44:28,906
Speaker 1: some stuff early on in Bo's childhood where you're like,

952
00:44:28,946 --> 00:44:30,066
Speaker 1: he was a bit of a bully and he had

953
00:44:30,106 --> 00:44:32,466
Speaker 1: this hey or whatever. But that's like this was a

954
00:44:32,706 --> 00:44:35,426
Speaker 1: love letter to Bo Jackson's athletic ability and what he

955
00:44:35,546 --> 00:44:38,306
Speaker 1: meant to the culture at the time. Yeah, so I

956
00:44:39,106 --> 00:44:42,546
Speaker 1: thank you. I early on I sent Bo a copy

957
00:44:42,586 --> 00:44:45,266
Speaker 1: of my other books and a letter and he called me,

958
00:44:45,386 --> 00:44:47,226
Speaker 1: I was in my backyard twenty twenty hard of the

959
00:44:47,266 --> 00:44:50,266
Speaker 1: pandemic and he was super nice, like super nice. He

960
00:44:50,386 --> 00:44:53,226
Speaker 1: was like, hey, Jeff is bo Jackson. And we talked

961
00:44:53,266 --> 00:44:54,546
Speaker 1: for a long time. He was getting his wife a

962
00:44:54,586 --> 00:44:56,426
Speaker 1: chop salad. He was driving to get our chop salad

963
00:44:57,026 --> 00:44:59,306
Speaker 1: and what he's doing in his life, and he was cool,

964
00:44:59,346 --> 00:45:01,306
Speaker 1: and he's like, look, I am, I don't care that

965
00:45:01,346 --> 00:45:02,746
Speaker 1: you're I don't mind that you're doing this book. I

966
00:45:02,786 --> 00:45:04,706
Speaker 1: remember probably are doing it. I just I get to

967
00:45:04,706 --> 00:45:06,466
Speaker 1: ask about this stuff all the time. I'm just not

968
00:45:06,586 --> 00:45:09,346
Speaker 1: really interested. I said, that's fine. But I got really

969
00:45:09,466 --> 00:45:12,466
Speaker 1: lucky because he had an autobiography, which I bet you

970
00:45:12,546 --> 00:45:18,626
Speaker 1: read because we're similar, you know. Ninety yeah, And before

971
00:45:18,706 --> 00:45:23,306
Speaker 1: Dick shap passed away, he donated um all the audio files,

972
00:45:23,426 --> 00:45:27,466
Speaker 1: all the transcripts, notes, et cetera from that Boone Knows

973
00:45:27,506 --> 00:45:30,386
Speaker 1: boat experience to the Auburn University Library, which I did

974
00:45:30,466 --> 00:45:32,946
Speaker 1: not know. And I spent about two hundred and fifty

975
00:45:32,946 --> 00:45:34,746
Speaker 1: bucks and I had it all copied and sent to me.

976
00:45:35,066 --> 00:45:37,186
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone had looked at it since Bono's

977
00:45:37,226 --> 00:45:41,466
Speaker 1: Boat came out literally five hundred six hundred. I don't

978
00:45:41,466 --> 00:45:46,426
Speaker 1: know pages of the transcripts of everything A gift. Oh man,

979
00:45:47,706 --> 00:45:49,586
Speaker 1: it never made the book. There was also the audios

980
00:45:49,706 --> 00:45:52,266
Speaker 1: I find things Jeremy Shop transcribe most but he was all,

981
00:45:53,906 --> 00:45:58,346
Speaker 1: so thank you Jeremy Shop. Um. And then since the

982
00:45:58,386 --> 00:46:00,826
Speaker 1: book has come out, bow, do you reach out a

983
00:46:00,986 --> 00:46:04,466
Speaker 1: note thank you, a dismissal of the book anything, he U.

984
00:46:04,706 --> 00:46:08,546
Speaker 1: He tweeted something about if you're going it might be

985
00:46:08,626 --> 00:46:10,866
Speaker 1: his pintweet a West for a while. If you're gun

986
00:46:10,986 --> 00:46:14,426
Speaker 1: to read anything about me, don't read a quote unauthorized

987
00:46:14,466 --> 00:46:18,346
Speaker 1: biography way to hear it from me, which suggests maybe

988
00:46:18,346 --> 00:46:21,706
Speaker 1: he's gonna write an autobiography, which to me totally coolte

989
00:46:21,706 --> 00:46:22,946
Speaker 1: and totally fine. But I just want to say, like

990
00:46:22,986 --> 00:46:25,866
Speaker 1: I really need this, Like you're a writer, I'm a writer.

991
00:46:27,346 --> 00:46:29,946
Speaker 1: Bo Jackson's autobiography, just as an example, which I really love,

992
00:46:30,426 --> 00:46:33,546
Speaker 1: he talks about going over twenty one for twenty one

993
00:46:33,626 --> 00:46:36,986
Speaker 1: strikeouts in his first twenty one college baseball facts and

994
00:46:37,106 --> 00:46:39,666
Speaker 1: I thought that was really interesting. In fact, I called

995
00:46:39,706 --> 00:46:41,666
Speaker 1: different aubortunity. It's asked about it. They were like, yeah,

996
00:46:41,706 --> 00:46:44,986
Speaker 1: he really struggled. Oh it was rough. Well, I start

997
00:46:45,066 --> 00:46:48,786
Speaker 1: digging through the old baseball box scores and he went

998
00:46:48,826 --> 00:46:51,466
Speaker 1: two for five against Southern Illinois his first college game

999
00:46:52,066 --> 00:46:54,026
Speaker 1: and then he won one for nineteen and I'm not

1000
00:46:54,106 --> 00:46:57,106
Speaker 1: saying he was lying at all. His memory is tricky,

1001
00:46:57,186 --> 00:47:00,786
Speaker 1: and the reason you write biographies is because you give

1002
00:47:00,826 --> 00:47:04,026
Speaker 1: a different perspective. It's a historic book. He's a historic figure,

1003
00:47:04,346 --> 00:47:05,946
Speaker 1: and you want to sort of you want to look

1004
00:47:05,946 --> 00:47:08,946
Speaker 1: into someone beyond just what he has to say. There's

1005
00:47:08,986 --> 00:47:10,706
Speaker 1: more to a story, into a history than just one

1006
00:47:10,746 --> 00:47:14,346
Speaker 1: person's perspective. It's a great take. Thank you for coming

1007
00:47:14,426 --> 00:47:16,866
Speaker 1: on the podcast, but also thank you for writing this book.

1008
00:47:16,906 --> 00:47:19,706
Speaker 1: It is if you're a fan of just sports and

1009
00:47:20,146 --> 00:47:24,306
Speaker 1: nineties nostalgia and eighties nostalgia, you gotta pick it up

1010
00:47:25,306 --> 00:47:27,786
Speaker 1: real quick. The person that's reached out to you since

1011
00:47:27,866 --> 00:47:29,986
Speaker 1: that has made you smile the most, because I think

1012
00:47:30,026 --> 00:47:33,226
Speaker 1: anyone who loves either sport just loved I mean, there's

1013
00:47:33,226 --> 00:47:36,146
Speaker 1: a story about him going fishing with Rick Dempsey. There's

1014
00:47:36,146 --> 00:47:39,186
Speaker 1: hell McCray ripping up glossy photos of him, like every name,

1015
00:47:39,346 --> 00:47:42,386
Speaker 1: George Brett, Marcus Allen, Matt Mill and how we long

1016
00:47:42,506 --> 00:47:44,546
Speaker 1: all the names that you remember from that era. Who's

1017
00:47:44,586 --> 00:47:46,066
Speaker 1: reached out to you since the book has come out

1018
00:47:46,106 --> 00:47:48,266
Speaker 1: that it's made you smile and say, yeah, that's pretty cool.

1019
00:47:48,306 --> 00:47:50,546
Speaker 1: If that person read it. Oh yeah, the best was

1020
00:47:51,186 --> 00:47:52,946
Speaker 1: the guy who threw Bo Jackson out, the only guy

1021
00:47:52,946 --> 00:47:55,266
Speaker 1: who threw Bo Jackson out in high school. Sam DAWs,

1022
00:47:55,746 --> 00:47:57,426
Speaker 1: his daughter emailed me the other day and said, oh

1023
00:47:57,466 --> 00:47:59,906
Speaker 1: my god, my dad is thrilled. This is amazing. So

1024
00:48:00,066 --> 00:48:02,506
Speaker 1: bringing people to light from past life really warms my heart.

1025
00:48:03,066 --> 00:48:04,986
Speaker 1: That's so good, guys, you gotta get the book. It's

1026
00:48:05,026 --> 00:48:07,946
Speaker 1: the last folk hero. It's Perman and Jeff, you're a

1027
00:48:08,066 --> 00:48:10,146
Speaker 1: good husband and you're a menshould partick and your wife

1028
00:48:10,186 --> 00:48:12,546
Speaker 1: to the airport and we appreciate you coming on the podcast.

1029
00:48:12,706 --> 00:48:15,866
Speaker 1: All right, thank you so much. You're the man, dude. See,

1030
00:48:15,906 --> 00:48:17,866
Speaker 1: I enjoy doing that. Jeff Berman is a good writer.

1031
00:48:18,026 --> 00:48:20,346
Speaker 1: And if we're gonna have Robert Sala and Joe Shane

1032
00:48:20,386 --> 00:48:22,266
Speaker 1: and Paul Rudd on like, this is another lane we

1033
00:48:22,306 --> 00:48:27,506
Speaker 1: can do. Perlman spent years working on that Bow Jackson book,

1034
00:48:27,506 --> 00:48:30,666
Speaker 1: interviewed seven hundred people and then puts out a book

1035
00:48:30,666 --> 00:48:33,146
Speaker 1: into the earth, and you're like, you just hope people respond. Now, Aaron,

1036
00:48:33,226 --> 00:48:34,826
Speaker 1: as I'm doing the interview and I'm talking about the

1037
00:48:34,906 --> 00:48:38,586
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty seven the NFL players strike, I'm looking at

1038
00:48:38,626 --> 00:48:40,426
Speaker 1: my other window on the zoom and I'm looking at you,

1039
00:48:40,826 --> 00:48:43,306
Speaker 1: who is of a different generation. You're younger than me, Like,

1040
00:48:43,666 --> 00:48:46,266
Speaker 1: does Bo Jackson mean anything to your generations? Bo Jackson

1041
00:48:46,266 --> 00:48:48,746
Speaker 1: as a sports and amnating to you. You know, I

1042
00:48:48,866 --> 00:48:51,226
Speaker 1: don't know a ton of the history behind him, but

1043
00:48:51,466 --> 00:48:54,026
Speaker 1: I loved hearing about it, and like I now just

1044
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Speaker 1: have to go on YouTube and look up these like

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Speaker 1: the clip of him running up a wall like this

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Speaker 1: sounds incredible, and so just to find some like new

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Speaker 1: figures of really important sports history is a great thing.

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Speaker 1: It's crazy. So in ninety one, he's in the playoff

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Speaker 1: game against the Bengals and he hurts his hip. He

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Speaker 1: never plays football again, and like everyone says that, like

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Speaker 1: if it had happened in two thousand and one or

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Speaker 1: two and twenty one, that's a simple surgery and you know,

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Speaker 1: give him eight to ten months, he'll be back. But

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Speaker 1: they didn't have the science back then. They'd have the

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Speaker 1: medicine back then to fix that. He did come back

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Speaker 1: to baseball, and I think in his first step bat

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Speaker 1: hits a home run for the White Sox, which is

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Speaker 1: like just the perfect like sports lure and all that stuff.

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Speaker 1: And then for Jeff like, what do you heard what

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Speaker 1: he said? Ten books, seven of them have now been

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Speaker 1: optioned and Winning Times? Did you watch Winning Time? And

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Speaker 1: HBO loved it? Right, So he's the original writer of

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00:49:48,066 --> 00:49:49,826
Speaker 1: all that. And then he tells the story about his

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Speaker 1: daughter being able to smoke a cigar with him, and

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Speaker 1: you're like, that's pretty cool. That's a cool moment for

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Speaker 1: like a sports writer, a guy who's been writing books

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Speaker 1: and just churning out these books and they're all bestsellers

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Speaker 1: and he lives a very good life, I'm sure, but

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Speaker 1: like to have this second chapter where now all of

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Speaker 1: a sudden he's like this Hollywood guy, that's pretty cool. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And I have not had a cigar with my dad,

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Speaker 1: but I have had a cigar with Michael Chicklist, So

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Speaker 1: you know, similar, similar thing. You've had a cigar with

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Speaker 1: the commission You've had a cigar with Michael Chicklist. What

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Speaker 1: does that thing? Yeah? More, Also, tequila to his daughter

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Speaker 1: makes an incredible tequila. Actually that there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: that story. I'm sure. Do we want to share that

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Speaker 1: story or just leave it at let's let well, well

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Speaker 1: we'll get well, yeah, we'll get to it. And the listeners, Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: we'll leave that as a little teaser. I'm headed to

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Speaker 1: Munich in a few hours. Any tips for this trip,

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Speaker 1: oh from me Man, I haven't been to Germany in

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Speaker 1: many years. Um, but uh, get something good to read.

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Speaker 1: Sounds like you got plenty of books, probably already for

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Speaker 1: the flight. And uh yeah, I'm excited to hear. How

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Speaker 1: you uh what do you guys do there? This might

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Speaker 1: this might upset some people. Um if the German cultures

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Speaker 1: might have set some people who are with the NFL.

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Speaker 1: But I told a guy at my kids school that

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Speaker 1: I was going to Germany and he goes, Berlin, I

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Speaker 1: don't know, Cologne, No, No, I go, I'm going to Munich.

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Speaker 1: And he goes, oh okay, and I go, yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: pretty excited and I can't wait. I mean, is it

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Speaker 1: And he looks at me and he goes, yeah, Munich

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Speaker 1: like the hoboken of Germany. Like huh. Alright. So I'm

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Speaker 1: headed there. On that note, I will have updates. I'm

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Speaker 1: sure we'll talk all about it. I'm sure i'll get

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Speaker 1: into some high jinks and if I have a beer

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Speaker 1: with Brady, don't be shocked. I usually find my way

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Speaker 1: into these kind of situations. Guys, thanks for listening to

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Speaker 1: the podcast. Aaron, You're the man. The music is our guy,

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Speaker 1: Jack Rudd and of course Jason English, iHeart and all

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Speaker 1: the NFL folks. Thank you for this opportunity. We love

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Speaker 1: doing it a little different podcasts this week. Jeff Brohman

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Speaker 1: our guest, but let's keep it rocking. You mean, Aaron,

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Speaker 1: Jeff Saturday. Let's Go the Season with Peter Schrager is

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