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Speaker 1: Welcome to Thursday's edition a Big Blue Kickoff live here

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Speaker 1: on Giants dot Com. He's Paul the Tina on Lanes Metal.

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Speaker 1: Good to be with you for the next sixty minutes.

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Speaker 1: Two zero one five one three. That is the telephone number.

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Speaker 1: Hashtag Giants chat on Twitter. As we were inching closer

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Speaker 1: to the Week one matchup between the Giants and the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys Sunday PM Eastern. Both coordinators spoke earlier today, so

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Speaker 1: we'll review that give you some of our takeaways from

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Speaker 1: their comments. We also heard from se Kwon Barkley, and

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Speaker 1: the Giants just started practice, so let's start there, Paul,

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Speaker 1: because Mike Remors was on the injury report yesterday with illness,

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Speaker 1: correct the encouraging news back out there today during the

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Speaker 1: open portion of practice which the media is allowed to watch,

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Speaker 1: he was in full gear in doing everything. So it

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Speaker 1: appears that whatever he had, whether it was a stomach

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Speaker 1: floor or whatever the illness was, it does not appear

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Speaker 1: to have affected him today. And Pat Shermer did not

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Speaker 1: sound concerned at all, Paul, and he addressed the media

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Speaker 1: earlier this week, so I don't think anybody was necessarily

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Speaker 1: stunned that he's back out there, they felt fully confident

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Speaker 1: that they would have the entire offensive line. So both

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Speaker 1: coordinators spoke, I want to start on the defensive side

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Speaker 1: of the ball, Paul, because you know that it's fair

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Speaker 1: to say is the area of this team with perhaps

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Speaker 1: the most question marks, because you got a lot of

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Speaker 1: new personnel and you have a lot of youth. And

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Speaker 1: one of the questions that James Betcher was asked today

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Speaker 1: is where's the pressure gonna come from? And I think

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Speaker 1: it's a warranted question. And you know, he said, I

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Speaker 1: don't know right now. If I can tell you who's

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Speaker 1: going to be the leader in sax, who's gonna be

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Speaker 1: doing the heavy lifting. He says, he feels it's going

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Speaker 1: to be more of and we've used this term, I

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Speaker 1: certainly have to spread the wealth mentality. It's gonna be

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Speaker 1: a group effort, and he likes the challenge of that.

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Speaker 1: He likes the fact that they're slowly going to define

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Speaker 1: themselves as the season progresses, as opposed to leaning on

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Speaker 1: one guy up front in particular. I understand that. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if you look at the resumes of the guys he

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Speaker 1: has on his roster, he can't go into the season

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Speaker 1: thinking he's got a lock stock double digit sack guy.

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Speaker 1: I mean we've talked about Marcus Golden for months now. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: did he do it once? Sherry did? Was that before

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Speaker 1: major a c L surgery? Yes? It was? How else

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Speaker 1: is he supposed to feel? He's dreaming? To be honest,

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Speaker 1: and I like James Beatcher, but he's dreaming if he can,

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Speaker 1: absolutely right now go to the bank and say, oh

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Speaker 1: I got a twelve sack guy right now in the booth.

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Speaker 1: You can't do it. You just can't do it. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna have to be a wait and see kind

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Speaker 1: of thing. It's gonna have to unfold itself naturally. I

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Speaker 1: still believe, as I've said on this program before, my

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Speaker 1: many factors involved. I've I've always said it though, that

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Speaker 1: forty two is a really good team sack number. Certainly

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Speaker 1: less than forty is not acceptable. Can you still win? Yes?

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Speaker 1: The Patriots proved that, but they were always the outlier anyway.

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Speaker 1: I mean what Dallas have last year? Seven? Okay, just

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Speaker 1: a tad under. But you know, let's just say, for

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Speaker 1: argument's sake, you want to shave a couple of it

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Speaker 1: and get down to forty instead of forty two. That's

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Speaker 1: the number. Is a team you want to shoot for

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Speaker 1: if you can get them. But right now, no, I

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Speaker 1: will say this though, Paul and I know that that's

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Speaker 1: a mark that you throughout as a target. Not to

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Speaker 1: say that the Giants are realistically going to get to that,

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Speaker 1: but hypothetically, if they make the jump from thirty to

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Speaker 1: He's added Golden, he's added Ziminez, two premier linebacker, well,

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Speaker 1: one legitimate prospect of a pass rusher in Ziminez, and

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Speaker 1: I mean Golden, there's no question what he's healthy. Look

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Speaker 1: what he did, but again we just don't we just

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Speaker 1: don't know exactly what he is. So but those are

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Speaker 1: don't know. There's upside, there's potential. As you just laid out,

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Speaker 1: season progresses, no his assignments and try to take that

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Speaker 1: I'd rather have a rookie who needs to learn how

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Speaker 1: a lot of guys who had the skill set. Okay,

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Speaker 1: to refine those tools. Pure talent does not necessarily win

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Speaker 1: a matter of them grooming him and refining his skill

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Speaker 1: of his rookie season. Lance Meadow Paula Tito with you

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Speaker 1: here on Thursday's edition of Big Blue Kickoff Live. It

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Speaker 1: is presented by cores Light on the subject of defense.

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Speaker 1: Ezekiel Elliott came up no surprise with James Beatcher. Everybody's

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Speaker 1: question is, well, how much of a workload do you

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Speaker 1: anticipate to see from Zeke? How do you think the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys are gonna work him back in now that he's

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Speaker 1: rejoined the team and he got his new contract. This

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Speaker 1: is my personal opinion, Paul. They just gave him an

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Speaker 1: extremely lucrative deal. I think that they're also looking at

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Speaker 1: the fact that they're opening up the season with two

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Speaker 1: and barely use Ezekiel Ellie. Now, before you respond to that,

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Speaker 1: I was doing some homework and is there anything to

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Speaker 1: response was Maurice Jones drew from the Jacksonville Jaguars. Interestingly,

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Speaker 1: and that was back in two thousand twelve, he missed

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Speaker 1: thirty eight days, so he pretty much missed all of

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Speaker 1: He had signed his new deal Paul the Sunday before

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Speaker 1: Week one, so a few days prior to Zeke getting

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Speaker 1: Rashad Jennings actually started the game, the former Giant running back,

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Speaker 1: And is that gonna be the same game plan that

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Speaker 1: Derrito's here or there. Okay, but I know they know

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Speaker 1: they have Tody Pollard. Well, I think there's a little

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Speaker 1: the show. And it's funny you say that, because I

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Speaker 1: his snaps. That makes sense, so so amazing as it sounds,

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Speaker 1: also feel like the reason why they're confident that they

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Speaker 1: Paul is Tony Pollard. They're rookie from the fourth round

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Speaker 1: this offseason. He started some of the preseason games, so

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Speaker 1: it's not as if they're gonna throw somebody in who

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Speaker 1: posted a tweet which responds to yours that I recall.

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Speaker 1: Back in the Giants opened the season in Dallas against

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Speaker 1: the tempo, and they were able to get off a

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Speaker 1: lot more plays rushing and passing. And so those totally

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Speaker 1: yardage numbers are a little bit deceiving because in yards

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Speaker 1: for play, the Giants defense actually was a little bit

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Speaker 1: better than what people were led to believe. Again, they

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Speaker 1: were very good, they were very good, but they weren't

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Speaker 1: as dreg as much like Drake as people wanted them

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Speaker 1: to see, especially against the run. What I will say this, Paul,

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Speaker 1: just going back to a specific game, that second game

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Speaker 1: against the Eagles, I think the Giants has I think

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Speaker 1: tied to scores I remember correctly, with six minutes left

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Speaker 1: and the Eagles just random and they killed them, and

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Speaker 1: they killed them. I mean you know that that that

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Speaker 1: says it all? Oh no, hey, look they were short

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Speaker 1: on bodies on defense last year and they've tried to

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Speaker 1: add a bunch of them to help out the situation,

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Speaker 1: and I think they have. Yeah, Hey, real quick, before

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Speaker 1: I let you guys going My predictions were not that bold,

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Speaker 1: but uh, you know what, we'll call it bolding number one.

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Speaker 1: Johns are gonna win this game one Sunday. I don't

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Speaker 1: care if the Elliott showed up or not. That mattered

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Speaker 1: to me. It could be Sam Elliott, Missy Elliott. That matters.

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Speaker 1: Johns winning this game on Sunday. And then John's gonna

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Speaker 1: start the season four and oh. Where the four and

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Speaker 1: no equates to a sixteen and old season or four

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Speaker 1: and twelve season. I don't know. They will start four

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Speaker 1: and oh this season. All right, Ben, appreciate the phone call,

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for his bold prediction. That was his

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Speaker 1: bold prediction. Yeah, four oh start start, But he wasn't

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Speaker 1: gonna go further and give us a prediction. You know,

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Speaker 1: you could see a team get off to a hot

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Speaker 1: start and then things unraveled. We also have seen a

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Speaker 1: team like the Colts last year, but they could go

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Speaker 1: four and twelve. He said they're gonna go four and open.

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Speaker 1: They could go for in twelve. Well, he made his

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Speaker 1: bold prediction for the first quarter of the season. How

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Speaker 1: I think if they go four and oh and then

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Speaker 1: go four and twelve and finish up with that record,

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Speaker 1: that's an even bolder prediction. To assume that they loose

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Speaker 1: twelve straight. Well, you can interpret it in as many

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Speaker 1: different ways as you want here Big Blue Kick Golf Live.

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Speaker 1: I will say this, they are going to be tested

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Speaker 1: by some really good defenses in the first quarter of

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Speaker 1: the season. Nobody's saying that these are the four best

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Speaker 1: teams in the NFL, but I think the common trade

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Speaker 1: is that all of them, for the most part, have

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Speaker 1: really strong defensive Dallas has a lot of defensive challenge

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Speaker 1: to day, has defensive talent, Buffalo is not bad. Buffalo,

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Speaker 1: I think is overlooked, and Washington has some parts. I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure how unified they are that front seven, though,

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Speaker 1: I think that part. My focus is more on the

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Speaker 1: front seven. I'm not focusing so much on the secondary.

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Speaker 1: I think that the front sevens that they're gonna have

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Speaker 1: to tackle in the early stages of the season pretty

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Speaker 1: strong on paper, and uh time will tell whether or

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Speaker 1: not that holds up the potential based on how the

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Speaker 1: early games play out. But it's gonna be a good

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Speaker 1: test for the Giants offense in the first quarter of

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Speaker 1: the season. Let's head back to the phone lines. Let's

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Speaker 1: go to Scott, who's in New Mexico. Scott, what's happening? Hey, guys,

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Speaker 1: are you doing today? I had a question in regards

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Speaker 1: to your conversation about sacks and so forth. Is it

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Speaker 1: more important and more important to have sacks or pressures

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Speaker 1: because if they can get some sort of push up

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Speaker 1: the middle, even though uh trusca as a as a

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Speaker 1: mobile quarterback. I know, I don't know if they keep

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Speaker 1: a statistic for pressures, but if they do, I adventure

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Speaker 1: to guess that the teams that have the most pressures

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Speaker 1: are probably towards the top defenses as opposed to sacks.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that's accurate or not. Well, would

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Speaker 1: think here's the problem. Here's here's the problem, Scott. No, no,

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Speaker 1: I I I've interrupted you. But I think it's important

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Speaker 1: to understand that pressures and sacks combined. When you get

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Speaker 1: that combined number, now you're talking about a significant impact.

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Speaker 1: Because here's the problem. Okay, Yes, pressures are great, and

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Speaker 1: they can force the the the destruction of a play.

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Speaker 1: They can certainly force an errand throw that could be

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Speaker 1: into septed. We understand that. Okay, that's wonderful, But what

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Speaker 1: sacks can do. Not only does it force loss of

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Speaker 1: yardage and forces an offense into a horrific second or

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Speaker 1: third and long situation, which also set you up in

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Speaker 1: a real good spot, but also sacks many times are

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Speaker 1: turnovers themselves because their strip sacks or that force bubbles

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Speaker 1: and gives you the ball and even better field position

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Speaker 1: than what an interception would thirty yards down the field.

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Speaker 1: So I don't disagree with those who say, hey, sacks

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Speaker 1: are better than pressures or hurries. I totally understand sacks

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Speaker 1: are better than pressures are hurries, but I do believe

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Speaker 1: they're kind of like one in one a because I

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Speaker 1: think that there's a lot to be said for hurries

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Speaker 1: and pressures as well, and too many people undervalue them

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Speaker 1: or flat out ignore them, and I don't think they should.

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Speaker 1: But I must say I do believe sacks are still

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Speaker 1: more valuable. Well, I think with hurries and pressures, it

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Speaker 1: depends on the quarterback you're playing. If you're not playing

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Speaker 1: a mobile quarterback or somebody that does a good job

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Speaker 1: extending plays that, Hey, hurries at pressures really can throw

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Speaker 1: off that offense. If you're getting a guy through pressure

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Speaker 1: to run out of the pocket, he's very effective running

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Speaker 1: out of the pocket and extending a play like a

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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray for example. It really depends on the results.

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Speaker 1: I will say this, a sack, by definition, Scott means

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Speaker 1: you're ending a play. So wouldn't I want the ability

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Speaker 1: to say we're getting home, we're finishing the play, and

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Speaker 1: we're preventing the opposition from having a productive play. So

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Speaker 1: I mean to me, if you ask me what I'd

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Speaker 1: want to see more of, I'd automatically want to see

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Speaker 1: more sacks. But I agree with Paul that if you

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Speaker 1: are consistently getting pressures and hurries, you also could be

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Speaker 1: throwing a wrench into the opposition, depending on, once again,

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Speaker 1: the style of the quarterback that's running that offense. The

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Speaker 1: other small factor to consider is that pressures and hurries

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Speaker 1: don't automatically lead to quarterback hits. Stacks by definition are

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Speaker 1: quarterback hits, and we all know that the more you

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Speaker 1: hit a quarterback, the better chance there is is. Doesn't

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Speaker 1: automatically mean this, but the better chance there is of

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Speaker 1: you throwing him off his game. Because the pressure in

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Speaker 1: a hurry doesn't necessarily indicate a negative outcome indicates The

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Speaker 1: question is the role of the line with exter Lawrence

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Speaker 1: and say B. J. Hill and R. J. Mackintosh, if

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Speaker 1: they can create some energy coming up I hope the middle,

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Speaker 1: then it takes away the options of the offense. And

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Speaker 1: that's why I was wondering how big a role those

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Speaker 1: guys are going to play actually and whether they win

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Speaker 1: the game once someday or not. You know where they

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Speaker 1: play a role. Yeah, you don't go anywhere this guy

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Speaker 1: because I want to explain something to you. You know what,

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Speaker 1: You're right, And this is why they were really high

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Speaker 1: on extra Lawrence because of his ability to push the

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Speaker 1: front of the pocket. Okay, make no mistake about it.

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Speaker 1: Even though he may be playing on the edge of

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Speaker 1: the three down lineman, he probably won't be on the

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Speaker 1: edge of the front because they'll probably be a stand

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Speaker 1: up linebacker next to him anyway. Okay, but here's what

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Speaker 1: here's what your question brings to mind. They're really looking

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Speaker 1: forward to Lawrence pressing the front of the pocket. That's

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Speaker 1: critical for two reasons, because the last thing in the

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Speaker 1: world you want is for someone to get around the

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Speaker 1: edge to the pocket and then have that quarterback either

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Speaker 1: step up and deliver a completed pass or for that matter,

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Speaker 1: step up see e lane and run for a first

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Speaker 1: down on a third and long opportunity. The pope is

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Speaker 1: that if you get that pressure in the front of

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Speaker 1: the pocket, those two possibilities are eliminated. For the offense,

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Speaker 1: you will severely limit their capability of pulling off a

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Speaker 1: successful play by taking those two options away. If you

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Speaker 1: can crowd the front of the pocket, that's what Dexter

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Speaker 1: Lawrence can add to this team, especially against a guy

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Speaker 1: like Dac who has the ability no, no question, but

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Speaker 1: the pressure of the gun, can they keep him in

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Speaker 1: sort of? You know, that's what you want to do, Scott, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean you want to contain Dak Prescott so he

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Speaker 1: doesn't have the opportunity to run wild and appreciate the

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Speaker 1: phone call, Scott, thanks so much, way and you got it.

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Speaker 1: But I think to answer his question, Dexter Lawrence, providing

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Speaker 1: the pressure up the gut is half the battle. Then

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Speaker 1: it's up to the edge guys. Paul, then complete the

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Speaker 1: deal because you could have the pressure up the gut

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Speaker 1: and then if the guys with containment off the edge

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Speaker 1: don't fulfill their responsibilities, then DA's just gonna roam out

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Speaker 1: of the pocket and he's gonna survey the field, no doubt,

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Speaker 1: no doubt. But in the last several years, or certainly

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Speaker 1: in this down period of Giants football, They're bigger problem

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Speaker 1: has been the front of the pocket. They have given

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Speaker 1: up either huge rushing lanes where guys have run or

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Speaker 1: guys have been able to step up and even though

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Speaker 1: there's a pocket collapsing around him, guy, I'll step up

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Speaker 1: and boom first down. That's been a bigger problem for

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Speaker 1: this team in recent years. Absolutely. Let's head back to

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Speaker 1: the phone lines. Lance Metal, Paul t Tito with you

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Speaker 1: are on Big Blue Kick Off Live. Dave is in Cranford. Dave,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the program. What you got for us, Paul

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Speaker 1: and Lamb is great to talk to you guys. You

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Speaker 1: two now appreciate the call. What's happening, Hey, I just

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Speaker 1: want to talk. You know. There's been a lot of

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Speaker 1: talk which I think is justified about the upgrade that

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Speaker 1: Zeitler brings to the right side of that line. Remers

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Speaker 1: as well, but definitely Zeitler in terms of just the

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Speaker 1: quality he brings, I think what's kind of lost is

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Speaker 1: as far as looking at the whole team is a

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Speaker 1: similar upgrade um with Anton Patheia as Antoine Patheia as

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Speaker 1: this free safety and or in his safety role. I

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Speaker 1: you know, I had a chance to go back with

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Speaker 1: the NFL game path, which is awesome, and and look

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Speaker 1: at some of the you know all twenty two tape

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Speaker 1: from last year, and and again you know, I hate

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Speaker 1: ripping somebody, but but Curtis Riley just he he had

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Speaker 1: a really rough year. I mean, I think that's to

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Speaker 1: say it as nicely as I can, and no one's

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Speaker 1: going to disagree with you. I don't think you can, Paul.

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Speaker 1: And so I to think that having that that center fielder,

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Speaker 1: and and very similar to conversations we've had before, when

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Speaker 1: you think about the impact of improving your offensive line,

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Speaker 1: improving your center fielder from a safety perspective really has

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Speaker 1: a a downward effect on the whole rest of the

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Speaker 1: defense and what it can do when you have when

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Speaker 1: you have that confidence that that that center fielder is

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Speaker 1: going to be where he needs to beg Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: because that player is pretty much the last line of defense,

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Speaker 1: especially on big plays or if a running back gets

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Speaker 1: past the initial phase of the defense. And Antoine Biffet

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Speaker 1: led the Cardinals and tackles last season, and he's been

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Speaker 1: up there in that department for a number of years,

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Speaker 1: even going back to his Niner's days. So I think

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Speaker 1: you upgraded there because of all the veteran presence that

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Speaker 1: he brings with him. You brought up Curtis Riley, Dave. Remember, now,

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Speaker 1: Riley was making the conversion from cornerback to safety, and

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Speaker 1: that's not to excuse his production last season, but you

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Speaker 1: know they were asking a player who is primarily a

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Speaker 1: cornerback to now move to a full time safety and

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Speaker 1: that's ultimately why they turned to Shaunch Handler late in

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Speaker 1: the season. Now this year they're bringing an Antoine. But say, well,

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Speaker 1: this guy is not converting to a new position, and

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Speaker 1: he's been playing safety his entire career, and he also

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00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 1: has been playing both safety positions. He's moved back and

644
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 1: forth throughout his career. So the wealth of experience that

645
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: is coming into this season compared to last year with

646
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: Curtis Riley, to me is night and day. And I

647
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 1: guess I would like that. Paul. You've made this comment

648
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Speaker 1: and I don't disagree with you, but I did want

649
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 1: to just ask you to discuss it a little bit further.

650
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Speaker 1: And that is kind of the the youth of the

651
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: secondary um, because you know, I mean, I don't know

652
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Speaker 1: who's gonna you know, there's one thing to be on

653
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 1: the fifty three, there's gonna be another thing in terms

654
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: of when you're on the forty seven. And so I

655
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: look at it and say, you know, they should have

656
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: Betha back there. You know, I would assume that Jack

657
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 1: Rabbit Pepper's basta, maybe even Grant Haley. And I get

658
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: you that he's a second year player, but you know

659
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: what that's that's I'm sorry, but that that's enough. You're

660
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 1: you're in the whole, you know, at least a half

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00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: the season in the league. Um. So I get the

662
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: fact that Baker, you know, would would be young there

663
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 1: and on the other side, but I don't see I

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Speaker 1: don't see the youth as being as much of a

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00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 1: detriment that I've heard other people talk about. Well here's

666
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 1: the problem. You know you're listening the starters. Uh, there's

667
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 1: a good chance that the Giants will be in dime

668
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 1: package for a bunch of this game because Dallas is

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00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 1: going to spread the field out, make no mistake about it.

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00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: They'll use a lot of one back with Elliott absolutely

671
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 1: and and they will use a lot of flex with

672
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 1: their tight ends, especially now that Witness come out of retirement.

673
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,359
Speaker 1: So you know, the Giants will probably be in a

674
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,359
Speaker 1: ton of sub packages and it will see a lot

675
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 1: of dime, which does mean that Julian Love or Corey Valentine,

676
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 1: we'll see a lot of snaps in this game. So

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00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 1: figure Bakers, a rookie, Valentine and lover rookies. One of

678
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 1: those guys, you know, one of those latter two guys

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00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 1: is going to see a lot of snaps. So that

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00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,839
Speaker 1: means just go to see a lot of snaps from

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00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 1: at least two rookies in this game in the Giant secondary.

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00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: And Haley, who over the second half of last season,

683
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,919
Speaker 1: as you alluded to, played well and did quickly pick

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00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 1: up his game. He's still a young guy now, you know,

685
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,879
Speaker 1: he hasn't played a quote full season. He played half

686
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 1: the season really to be honest, he would make cameos

687
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 1: earlier in the year. So to me, that's still what

688
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 1: two and a half out of a potential six defensive

689
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,720
Speaker 1: backs who could see a lot of snaps in this game,

690
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: who have half a season or less of playing experience

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00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Well, and then I'll take it a

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00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 1: step father, Paul Well, and also Javirille Pepper's. He's a veteran,

693
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:47,399
Speaker 1: but he's new to the system. Antoine the system because

694
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: he played with better before, So I don't look at

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00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,760
Speaker 1: him as that brand. Him and jen Him and Jenkins,

696
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:54,919
Speaker 1: if you were to ask me, probably have the most

697
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 1: comfort and experience in this system. That makes everybody else

698
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 1: regardless of experience in the league. I think it's relatively new.

699
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 1: So if you're Dallas also, you know, just in terms

700
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 1: of game play, you're looking for those You're looking for

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00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 1: those guys. I mean, you're gonna tell me you're not

702
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: gonna try to match up Randall, Cobba, Marii Cooper and

703
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 1: Michael Gallup with some of these young corners and see

704
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 1: what they could do. Why wouldn't you? I mean any

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00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 1: coach would want to try to see that. I will

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Speaker 1: add this to you. I talked to Julian Love earlier

707
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,760
Speaker 1: today and I specifically asked him about the inexperienced question,

708
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: and I said, listen, is your biggest challenge going to

709
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,320
Speaker 1: be early in the game. If Dallas gets you to

710
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: bite on something and you make a rookie mistake, is

711
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 1: your biggest challenge? Gonna be able to forget about it

712
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: right away and move on to the next play. Because

713
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 1: if you if you get all upset and you get

714
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 1: thrown off your game by making an early rookie mistake,

715
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 1: you know they're gonna pick on you. They're gonna go

716
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 1: back at you again and again and again until you

717
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 1: fix it. And he's like, oh, goes, absolutely go. You

718
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,240
Speaker 1: gotta forget about it right away. You gotta remembery gotta

719
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 1: have a short memory, because he knows. He already tell me.

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00:36:58,000 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 1: He said, I know they're coming from me as soon

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00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 1: as I get on the field, I know they're looking

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00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: at me. I agree with you, Paul. I. I I still

723
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 1: think that you know you bring up you bring up

724
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,439
Speaker 1: great points and and and I think those are are

725
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 1: all fair. I I really like going into this game

726
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 1: just in terms of the matchups that we have. I

727
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,760
Speaker 1: think it's gonna be a great test for this team

728
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 1: right out of the gate. I think this is the

729
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 1: the most balanced team offensively and defensively that we're going

730
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 1: to see for a while, um in terms of what

731
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: our schedule looks like. So I think to come come

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00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 1: right out of the gate with that type of team,

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Speaker 1: I'm not you know this is a put up or

734
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 1: shut up league, so you know there's no there's no uh,

735
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 1: you know, there's nothing gained by losing a close game.

736
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: I want I want to go in and win, make

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00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,399
Speaker 1: a statement, my friend make a statement in week one

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00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: and I and I think they have the chance to

739
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 1: do that. So I again, I think one of the

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00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 1: things that gets lost. I'll leave you both guys with this,

741
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: and that is that is Barkley. I just think that

742
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 1: he was so productive in year one and you know

743
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,359
Speaker 1: he's um. You know when you listen to him. There

744
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: was an interview with him during the season where he

745
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 1: was where they were asking what he's focused on, and

746
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 1: he almost stopped because he almost didn't want to give

747
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: away too much, which I was actually happy that he did.

748
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 1: But he was talking about just his ability to be

749
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:21,479
Speaker 1: comfortable in the offense and read the defense, mainly saying, hey,

750
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: not everybody on a running play is blocked, and there's

751
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 1: a guy or two that are my responsibility, and true,

752
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 1: I'm very focused on that. So I look at it

753
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 1: and say, you know, let's go see what he looks

754
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 1: like in a year two system with a with a

755
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: step up. UM. I just don't know that that that

756
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,919
Speaker 1: we've that we as Giant fans um have seen that

757
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: type of impact with a player of his skill. So

758
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: thank you guys. Have a great I appreciate all the

759
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: work you guys do and we'll talk to you soon.

760
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 1: Thanks for checking in, thanks to the call. You know,

761
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 1: let me say this about Blankley, He's right. There are

762
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 1: a lot of running plays that are designed get a

763
00:38:57,719 --> 00:38:59,879
Speaker 1: hat on a hat, and there's gonna be one free

764
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 1: to fender against your running back and it's his job

765
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,879
Speaker 1: to make that guy miss and turn the play into

766
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:10,439
Speaker 1: a successful game. He's absolutely right about that. Now this year,

767
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 1: what the Giants are hoping is that the improved offensive

768
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 1: line does a better job of getting a hat on

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00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 1: a hat and there are more such plays where Barkley

770
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: is one on one against the defender because they'll put

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00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,839
Speaker 1: their chips on him every single time. Of course. Yeah,

772
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,399
Speaker 1: because of his versatility and his skill set, I think

773
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,760
Speaker 1: also it falls on him to find that favorable matchup

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00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 1: two within the blocking scheme, you know, and running in

775
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 1: the direction that it places him and in the spot

776
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:37,879
Speaker 1: that he could get to the world. That's the part

777
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: about holding him out during the preseason that gets a

778
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 1: little risky because his chemistry with the old line and

779
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 1: being able to decipher exactly what's happening on a play

780
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 1: and how they're blocking, and how efficient they're going to be,

781
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 1: and how confident he's going to be that that hole

782
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:55,959
Speaker 1: he's supposed to get to is going to be there

783
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 1: when he gets to it. That's something that there is.

784
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 1: There is no osmosis there between an offensive lineman and

785
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 1: the running back. The Giants haven't had a chance to

786
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 1: do that because Bartley did not play at all during

787
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: the preseason and the Giants starting offensive line themselves, which

788
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:18,359
Speaker 1: has been revamped, only played like fifty something snaps over

789
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 1: the first three preseason games, and then they did not

790
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 1: play against the Patriots. So understand something. I don't necessarily

791
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 1: think the line is gonna come out gangbusters in run

792
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: blocking against the Cowboys. I think they are going to

793
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 1: have some rough spots in the ground attack. What I

794
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: do think they will do very well in is the

795
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 1: past protection. I think they are going to be stellar

796
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 1: in past protection. I think Eli Manning is gonna throw

797
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: for over three fifty yards in this game. Well, that

798
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 1: would mean good things then for the Giants offense. If

799
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,800
Speaker 1: that's the case, and they will be tested against the

800
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Speaker 1: Marcus Lawrence and Tyrone Crawford, who are the two edge

801
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 1: guys for the Dallas Cowboys this upcoming week two zero

802
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 1: five one three the telephone number. Let's head back to

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00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: the lines. Don is in Texas. Don. Welcome to Big

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00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: Blue Kick OFLF Live. What do you got Haylan Dot,

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00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: Hi dot p Dot You're looking sharp? Keep it up, man.

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00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 1: We have the First Intent MSG Show, which, by the way,

807
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: our premier show airs tomorrow night on Friday, seven o'clock

808
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 1: Eastern time on MSG Giants First Intent. We hope you

809
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 1: tune in. Awesome. Thanks for letting me know. I definitely

810
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 1: will tune in. Thank you, guys. I don't know about you.

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00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 1: I'm super pump. Football is finally here. No more talk,

812
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 1: Let's get it going. I can't tell you how painful

813
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 1: it is to live in this Dallas area where in

814
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 1: my color is proudly. I'm like Lanes. I welcome the

815
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 1: chippiness whoever wants to bring it. I just got into one. Now.

816
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: Just getting gas in my car is pretty hilarious. Anyway,

817
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 1: I told the guy. The guy starts chirping at me.

818
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:47,359
Speaker 1: I'm wearing a Barkley Jersey and I go, hey, listen,

819
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 1: Days of Our Lives is on in a little while.

820
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 1: I don't know who's more dramatic, your team or that show.

821
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 1: So like you're getting it going, man, the guys on

822
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: a roll. It's a good comeback. Yeah, it's you got

823
00:41:56,640 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: a tip Jars glad to contribute the shoal teams, which

824
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 1: I believe is a big key to this game. I'm

825
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,839
Speaker 1: gonna get into a generalization because the Cowboys team, let's

826
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 1: let's just get it out there, they're a better team. Right,

827
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 1: So in general, in general, if a team is physical,

828
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 1: you beat them by being faster. If the team is fast,

829
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:19,919
Speaker 1: you beat them by being physical. What was the point

830
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 1: of that, Well, the Cowboys have that. There are fast

831
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 1: defense and there are physical offense. The Rams in the

832
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 1: playoff game against them last year, literally put the blueprint

833
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:34,320
Speaker 1: out how to beat them hurry up, physical speed, running,

834
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 1: power running, physical, hurry up, and what they're exposed to,

835
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 1: and it kind of made me laugh and I'm surprised

836
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 1: nobody picked up on this last year. In that playoff game,

837
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 1: the Rams were killing Jalen Smith with the wheel route

838
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: in their preseason game as just to see if they

839
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 1: learned their lesson, they ran the wheel route again and

840
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 1: got them again. That's going to be a key play

841
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,800
Speaker 1: to try to get Barkley out on that wheel route

842
00:42:55,800 --> 00:43:00,080
Speaker 1: to get them going. I would not disagree, and and

843
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 1: the obvious of course, we've got to stop their run.

844
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:07,320
Speaker 1: But you've gotta You cannot let that physical offense dictate

845
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:11,240
Speaker 1: the game, because they can if once they start running

846
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: and pounding, they're gonna wear us down. We're never going

847
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 1: to see the field on offense. That's their game, whether

848
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:19,280
Speaker 1: they have a new offensive coordinator or not, which leads

849
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 1: me to my next point. Special teams is so important

850
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 1: game since Dak Prescott took over for the Cowboys. I'm

851
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,280
Speaker 1: not even talking about the Romo era, but this reminds

852
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 1: me of the nineties Cowboys Giants against current Giants Cowboys.

853
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 1: Now that the field position, of the physicality between those teams,

854
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 1: how it's crazy how in the last minutes of the

855
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 1: game the field position dictated what happened at the end

856
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 1: of the game. All I want is a chance to

857
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 1: win the game. That's all I could asked for. Just

858
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 1: give us a chance to win this game. And day

859
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: from Cranford hit it right. Out of the park. Markley's

860
00:43:56,160 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 1: gotta come out huge. Your take, gentleman, Well, let just

861
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,359
Speaker 1: say this. I talked to Michael Thomas, the Giants Pro

862
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: Bowl Special Team or this morning about that very point,

863
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:10,280
Speaker 1: how field position is going to be just absolutely imperative

864
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 1: in this game, and he and he said, you're right,

865
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 1: because many people are underestimating the value of special teams,

866
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 1: especially in this game. When everyone's talking about the quarterbacks,

867
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: they're talking about the running backs, they're talking about the

868
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:24,800
Speaker 1: Dallas defense, blah blah blah blah blah. Hardly anybody is

869
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:28,359
Speaker 1: saying a word about special teams. And Thomas is very

870
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 1: much aware that field position is critical. And it's not

871
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 1: just critical, uh, in terms of you know, tilt in

872
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 1: the field. It's also critical in terms of the emotion

873
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 1: of the game because what happens in Dallas and lands.

874
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 1: Have you been to Dallas for a game, It is

875
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 1: quite a spectacle. I mean, j Jerry's Palace man that place,

876
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:53,359
Speaker 1: especially opening night, it absolutely rocks the buildings alive. It's

877
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,919
Speaker 1: like a Rolling Stones concert. It's it's just it's it's

878
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 1: just alive. That's the only thing I could say a lot.

879
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 1: And when you can tilt the field with big time

880
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 1: field position, Okay, and special teams is a tremendous part

881
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 1: of that. You can do a lot to help take

882
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,800
Speaker 1: that crowd out of the game. That's a big deal.

883
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 1: It's it's an emotional lift for your team and an

884
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 1: emotional deflation for the stadium and the crowd and the Cowboys.

885
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: Michael Thomas very much understands how much of a part

886
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: they can play in this one. Well, I think you

887
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 1: could do that also by getting a good defensive player

888
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: and offensive too. I mean, there's any positive place, but people,

889
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 1: people are underestimating the value of specials in this That's

890
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 1: all I'm saying. Well, because mainly the last thing you

891
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 1: want to do is have Dallas work with half the field,

892
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 1: because you know, it doesn't take them that question to

893
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: you know, have a few big plays and already there

894
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 1: in the red zone or there at least in field

895
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 1: goal range. So I mean to me, field position, special

896
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: teams is imported in every single game, and it goes

897
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 1: without saying I don't know necessarily if it takes priority

898
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 1: in this game more so than the other opponents that

899
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 1: the Giants are going to go up against, because the

900
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: last thing you want to do a short in the field.

901
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 1: We were talking about takeaways earlier in the program. Takeaway

902
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 1: short in the field. That's why they could be such

903
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 1: a blessing for your offense if you have an opportunistic defense.

904
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: But you know, I'll go back to last year's Cowboys

905
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: game in Dallas. If you remember, it was Dallas capitalizing

906
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 1: with a big player early with Jevon Austin right up

907
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:22,399
Speaker 1: the left sideline. There was a miscommunication. Davan also got

908
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 1: past or as Jakins thought he was getting help on

909
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:28,280
Speaker 1: the play. He didn't get exactly. But that energized the Cowboys.

910
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 1: So that goes back to your point. You got to

911
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:33,320
Speaker 1: prevent those big plays. Whether it's on offense, the defense,

912
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 1: or special teams, it makes no difference to me. Last

913
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 1: thing you want to do is give that crowd and

914
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 1: that team more energy and vice versa awesome, awesome pet

915
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 1: Where are you guys gonna be hanging out at the game.

916
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 1: I'll be there at the fifty. I'm gonna try to

917
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 1: flag you guys. Now, where do you guys station yourself? Well?

918
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 1: During Cowboys games down in Dallas, the radio booth is

919
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 1: all the way up top and it's in the corner

920
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 1: of the end zone. So I prefer, Yeah, I prefer

921
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 1: to be on the field, so him. So I will

922
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 1: be all the field on the giant sideline throughout the

923
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 1: course of the game. All right, I'll try to flag

924
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 1: you guys down. I'm so excited I can't stop beating.

925
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 1: Have a good one the phone call. Thanks so much

926
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 1: for joining the program. All right, let's head back to

927
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 1: the lines. Let's check in with Len in Maryland. Len,

928
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 1: what's happening? That's how you doing? God? Good, good good? Um.

929
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 1: If we you know, if we just a comment on

930
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: Julian Love, if we concentrate Love in the slot position,

931
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: he's the start of by game. Ace, you know, put

932
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 1: him in the slot where we thought he was gonna

933
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: play and stopped fooling around. I don't think he's got

934
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 1: the speed to play safety. All right, here we go here,

935
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 1: Hold on, hold on, you're selling Grant Haley short. Grant

936
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 1: Haley played a quality slot corner last year. Don't automatically

937
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 1: say that Love has taken his spot. Give Grant Haley

938
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: an opportunity to hold down that spot and keep the

939
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,959
Speaker 1: rookie you all behind him on the depth chart. Great, great,

940
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 1: Haley can play now, okay, hey, let me give you

941
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 1: my prediction. I got Giants thirty to twenty six. Here

942
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 1: are the Here are the two keys. Here are the

943
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 1: two keys. We got to score on at least half

944
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 1: of our possessions, and we got to win in the

945
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: red zone. We scored touchdowns, they kick field goals. We

946
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 1: win thirty. Let me ask you. Let me talk about

947
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 1: the offensive line. Couple of guys, assuming Rimer's plays. He's

948
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 1: working today. N he's working today. He had an illness yesterday,

949
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 1: an open portion of practice today he was working. Okay,

950
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:46,919
Speaker 1: very good. Um, who if we go, if we go jumbo, uh,

951
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:50,800
Speaker 1: you know, three tight end? Look who's that? Who's who's

952
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 1: the jumbo guy? I think we're gonna say. I think

953
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 1: we're gonna need that. We're gonna need that that you know,

954
00:48:56,760 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 1: tackle who you know play and playing end? Who you

955
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: know blocks like a tackle. Here's here, here's the problem.

956
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:10,240
Speaker 1: Slating Gates will be the two reserve offensive lineman active

957
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 1: for the game. I don't know that either one of

958
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 1: them have experience as the third tight end. We'd have

959
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 1: to see them do it before we could say that

960
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:23,479
Speaker 1: you were capable of it. Right now, Tomlinson, the tight

961
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:26,959
Speaker 1: end sign yet, who, by the way, is like six

962
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 1: six sixty pounds. He is a big dude, and he's

963
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 1: got a big long hair and mustache and beard, and

964
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 1: he looks like an offensive lineman facially that I would assume,

965
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, I would assume he'd be

966
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 1: the third tight end because we know Dickerson doesn't look

967
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:47,360
Speaker 1: likely to play because he don't think is going to trash.

968
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 1: I guess I know Tom Wilson and Ellison will be

969
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 1: the two have to go line. But who's the third guy? Well, no,

970
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 1: Ingram is your other tight end' sorry Ingram Ingram, as

971
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 1: you as your start tight end with Ellison Thomlinson try

972
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 1: to block down near the goal line, are we? Well, Len,

973
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 1: here's the other thing. Also, by the way, you know Tomlinson.

974
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that he's not going to be active

975
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 1: and I play, but he also just joined the team,

976
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 1: so I wonder how much I don't know he's acclimated

977
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 1: I think in goal line situations, so we're in short situations.

978
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,320
Speaker 1: Of course Tom Thomlinson can handle that, and he's supposed

979
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 1: to be a pretty good blocker. I'm just concerned when

980
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 1: we when we do go jumbo, whether there's somebody who

981
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 1: can do it? And also interesting if you think the

982
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:37,280
Speaker 1: two sub offensive lineman are Gates and Slade, what happens

983
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 1: if something if if hal appeal gets nicked up, who

984
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 1: goes Pully? Pully? I Pully? Pully is Pully is automatically

985
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 1: number six? I think Gates Slade or so you're you're

986
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 1: suggesting we will dress three sub offensive linemen. Yes, yes,

987
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 1: I think I think Pully is six, Gates is seven

988
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 1: and Lead is eight. You don't think we can get

989
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 1: away with using Pulley as an emergency guard? You could,

990
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:13,800
Speaker 1: you could, It's possible. Again part of the question maybe

991
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 1: if they have plans to use one of those other

992
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:19,359
Speaker 1: alignment as a very tight end. That may depend on

993
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 1: how many you dress. The other thing you could do

994
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 1: And I'm not again, here's the thing Mann we've seen

995
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:29,359
Speaker 1: preseason and in preseason you don't know because that they're

996
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:32,360
Speaker 1: not so yet anything. Let me I'll say this for

997
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 1: watching training camp. You know they don't work on a

998
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 1: lot of goal line stuff in training camp, so I

999
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 1: can't specifically tell you what I saw. But what a surprise? No,

1000
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 1: not at all? Yeah, stupid. You know if we don't,

1001
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 1: are you there? Yeah? Um, if it's Stupart doesn't dress,

1002
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: he shouldn't be on the fifty three. I mean you

1003
00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:02,879
Speaker 1: got well, who who are you wanting to replace Nate

1004
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 1: Stupar right now? Well, I'm not I'm saying it's we

1005
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 1: can have him as one of the one of the

1006
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:12,360
Speaker 1: guys that doesn't dress, So we shouldn't be on the

1007
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 1: fifty three and we were wasting the spot. He's only

1008
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 1: on there because of his uh you know, the team's play,

1009
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 1: which is a very important one of the team's plan.

1010
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:24,399
Speaker 1: I don't really make it for but I don't think

1011
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 1: we want to see Stupa on the field and you know,

1012
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 1: at the line of scrimmage. So I mean Stupar should

1013
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 1: you should get a uniform when we need We should

1014
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 1: have kept the kid whatever his name was, the kid

1015
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 1: the kids from Texas to look to Lefa, whatever his

1016
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 1: name was. Yeah, he's on the practice. Yeah yeah, Well,

1017
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 1: I mean you got it. I mean you almost have to,

1018
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 1: you almost have to dress Stupar because he was a

1019
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 1: special place. But I'm just a little confused, like why

1020
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 1: are we so caught up on Stupar and why are

1021
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:53,400
Speaker 1: you worried about whether or not he's gonna dress or not.

1022
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm a little lost as to where this

1023
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 1: is coming from. Well, I like his I like his

1024
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 1: special teams play. But but what I guess my point is,

1025
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:04,959
Speaker 1: what makes you think he's not going to dress? Lance?

1026
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 1: Hold on, hold on, Len, Here's the point. Pat Shermer

1027
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 1: values special teams more than most coaches in this league.

1028
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 1: We've seen that because they have scratch guys over the

1029
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:20,840
Speaker 1: past year because they didn't play good enough on special teams.

1030
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 1: But it's not your sans back there was the same way.

1031
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:29,320
Speaker 1: So here's the thing. If they believe that Stupar's value

1032
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 1: in this game on specials outweighs everything else, he'll dress.

1033
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 1: If he doesn't, then he doesn't. But I don't think

1034
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 1: Nate Stupar dressing or not dressing is going to sway

1035
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 1: this from a win to a loss. Okay, alright, good point.

1036
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 1: Let me ask you one more quick question. Does does

1037
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones get a uniform on Sunday? Well, he is

1038
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:53,280
Speaker 1: listed as the backup quarterback on the depth chart, so

1039
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 1: I think if he's listed as the backup quarterback, I

1040
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 1: find it very hard to believe Land that he's not

1041
00:53:56,520 --> 00:54:00,359
Speaker 1: gonna get jersey. Alright, Hey, listen, you guys have fun

1042
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:05,399
Speaker 1: on Sunday. I can't wait. Let's go giants all thanks,

1043
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:08,279
Speaker 1: thanks so much for weighing in. I've never thought that

1044
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 1: we'd be sitting here debating who's gonna get a jersey

1045
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:14,399
Speaker 1: and who's not gonna get a jersey the first here's

1046
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 1: the thing. Calculations to the fifty three go by the boards.

1047
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 1: So he's worried about. Okay, but listen, and I get it.

1048
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:29,959
Speaker 1: But remember, you've got to deactivate seven guys every single week.

1049
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 1: You don't get wiggle room around that probable figure. Chatty

1050
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:36,399
Speaker 1: will be the third quarterback, and then there's six other

1051
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:39,359
Speaker 1: guys who have to set I just but I keep

1052
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 1: in mind this with real quickly, with the respect to Stupar.

1053
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:44,320
Speaker 1: Remember David Mayo was a late addition to the roster

1054
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 1: who's also a special teamer. So it brings up my

1055
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:49,479
Speaker 1: same point about Tomlinson and some of these guys. How

1056
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:52,240
Speaker 1: much did they get caught up in a very limited

1057
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 1: amount of time. The bottom line is, if they don't

1058
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 1: feel Mayo is where they need him to be, then

1059
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:59,360
Speaker 1: Stupar to me, takes much more of a probably in

1060
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 1: automatic because he's a lot more comfortable with the scheme.

1061
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 1: He was here last year and he played special team.

1062
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:05,880
Speaker 1: So you know, that's another thing that I would think

1063
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 1: would give Stupar a leg up at least that during

1064
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 1: week Number one. Thing about Tomlinson before we go, even

1065
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 1: though he's only been here for for almost a week

1066
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:15,360
Speaker 1: now or a little bit less. Uh, if he's the

1067
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 1: third tight end and they could use his physicality and

1068
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:21,280
Speaker 1: his frame and his size in a short yarded situation, basically,

1069
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:23,479
Speaker 1: they just gotta tell him get a hat on a hat. Yeah,

1070
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:25,279
Speaker 1: he doesn't have to do a whole hot sir. We

1071
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 1: just need your big frame and go to work and

1072
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 1: block the guy away. And he's a veteran guy too,

1073
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 1: so not as if he's somebody that's only been in

1074
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 1: the league for a year or two. Let's head back

1075
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 1: to the lines. We've got James in Virginia. James, Welcome

1076
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:41,359
Speaker 1: the Big Blue Kickoff Live. What's happening. I'm good, how

1077
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 1: you guys doing? James ready for this game? Was Sunday?

1078
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 1: Got a quick question for you, Um, this question is

1079
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 1: about the I'm a little worried about the defense, and

1080
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 1: so my question for you guys are is this when

1081
00:55:57,040 --> 00:56:00,799
Speaker 1: you see these guys practice from the Okee coach and

1082
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:05,719
Speaker 1: in do training camp, and um, when do you know

1083
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 1: is Vete's defense? Is is it good enough? And he

1084
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:16,320
Speaker 1: just don't have, uh the right players or the players

1085
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 1: are not that good or you know what I'm saying, Like, Um,

1086
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 1: how do you figure which is it the players or

1087
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 1: is it the defense? Because the team looks overall is

1088
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 1: good to me, I'm just worried about the defense. And

1089
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:31,880
Speaker 1: I know doing when I watched the preseason games, it's

1090
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 1: just a vanilla type defense. They're not really you know,

1091
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 1: scheming for the offense. So when he starts scheming for

1092
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 1: the offense, do you find out from that point where okay,

1093
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 1: these are not good defense forward, You're gonna need a

1094
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 1: body of work. You probably won't be able to figure

1095
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 1: it out until maybe halfway through the season, and then

1096
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:57,759
Speaker 1: you can start making some judgments. Look, Steve Spagnolo is

1097
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 1: a terrific defensive coordinator, and I stay and buy that.

1098
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 1: But when Steve did not have a full toy box.

1099
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 1: In fact, there were a few years here with the

1100
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:09,280
Speaker 1: Giants where he had half of a toy box, those

1101
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 1: defenses fared very poorly. And ranked very low in the LEAs,

1102
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 1: especially when and that's just the way it's gonna be.

1103
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 1: I mean, no matter how good the coordinator is, if

1104
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 1: you don't have enough of tools and enough of toys

1105
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 1: to play with, it's not it's not going to turn

1106
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 1: out very well. And so that goes for everybody. The

1107
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 1: key is this, does your coordinator max out what you

1108
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 1: have available to you on the roster. That's the key

1109
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 1: to any coach, coordinator or head coach. Do you max

1110
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 1: out what you have available to you? And in some

1111
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 1: cases can you get guys to overachieve and do better

1112
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 1: than max out? Some guys can do that and those

1113
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 1: are your really good coaches. Well, I think the thing

1114
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 1: that's interesting about Beecher's defense this year is to your point,

1115
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 1: he's also infusing a lot of youth into this defense.

1116
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 1: So when you say, you know, you want to know

1117
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 1: whether it's the scheme or the players. I think with

1118
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 1: any young group of players, there's a learning curve and

1119
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 1: you have to account for your fair share of ups

1120
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 1: and downs. So, I mean, we were talking heavily about

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00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 1: the secondary and he's relying on a number of corners

1122
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 1: between Balantine, Baker and Love who are probably gonna get

1123
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 1: a lot of playing time in this season. You figured

1124
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 1: they're gonna have some ups and downs. As great as

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00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 1: Dexter Lawrence is, he's still only a rookie and he's

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00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 1: gonna have to adjust to our team scheming for him.

1127
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 1: And d J. Hill is a second year player, so

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00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:31,560
Speaker 1: you know, with a lot of youth. On top of

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00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 1: the fact that you know you're still trying to figure

1130
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 1: out what exactly is about Betcher's defense. I think you

1131
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:38,360
Speaker 1: need to account for both of those facts. Here's what

1132
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:40,200
Speaker 1: you need to do. If if you look at this

1133
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 1: Giant's defense in the second half of the season, or

1134
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 1: certainly the final third of the season, and if they're

1135
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 1: not producing at a higher level than they are in September,

1136
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 1: then you have to shake your head and say, something's

1137
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 1: not working out here. Either the guys weren't as good

1138
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 1: as we thought they were or the system in the

1139
00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 1: scheme isn't getting the most out of them. But this

1140
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 1: defense should be on the way up as the season progressed,

1141
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 1: especially with the younger guys, because you expect them to

1142
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 1: start getting more and more comfortable progression by the latter

1143
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 1: part of the season. Yeah, yeah, Well, I definitely. I

1144
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 1: feel that the defense is better. I mean, it looks

1145
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 1: better than it did last year. And um, and so

1146
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:21,440
Speaker 1: that's all that was, like my main question just you know,

1147
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 1: hopefully that even though he has young players and rookie players,

1148
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 1: I mean, Valentine, Bigger, Lawrence, say, all look great and

1149
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 1: like you said, I know they're gonna have their mistakes,

1150
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:35,640
Speaker 1: but they look really good. And I just hope you know,

1151
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 1: for vetches, uh, that you know the players playing well

1152
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 1: enough that you know it doesn't affect you know, doesn't

1153
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 1: affect his job or something like that. Well, I mean,

1154
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 1: I think you take it a little too far with

1155
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:48,440
Speaker 1: respect to that, James, I wouldn't worry about job security

1156
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 1: and appreciate the phone call. Thanks so much for Wayne.

1157
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:54,480
Speaker 1: And remember this is a relatively new group, whether it

1158
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:57,400
Speaker 1: be the coaching staff, the general manager, the core nucleus

1159
00:59:57,440 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 1: a team. Their goal is to build it up over

1160
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 1: the co us of time, not necessarily look for, you know,

1161
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:05,440
Speaker 1: a statement or a wound me moment immediately to define

1162
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 1: whether or not these people are the right fit. I think,

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01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:10,480
Speaker 1: like anything else, first four games into a season, I

1164
01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 1: think you get a better feel for a team on

1165
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 1: both sides of the football and then but by the

1166
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 1: time you get to the midway point, I think you

1167
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 1: should have a good read of what this team is

1168
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:21,280
Speaker 1: all about, and you hope that for the sake of

1169
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 1: the young players that they continue to mature and develop

1170
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:27,640
Speaker 1: as the season progresses. And it constantly is heading in

1171
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 1: the direction and trending in the direction of all. All right,

1172
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:32,600
Speaker 1: let's head back to the phone lines. Charlie is in

1173
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Speaker 1: Portland's made What's happened to Charlie last on the show? Charlie, Yeah,

1174
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:39,479
Speaker 1: not necessarily trending. All Hey, hey, Lance, Hey, uh, Paul,

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01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 1: I think it's actually going to be a low scoring game. Okay.

1176
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 1: You look back at the last couple of games that

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01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 1: we had the first game of the season with a

1178
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:51,240
Speaker 1: Cowboys one game was what we won twenty to nineteen

1179
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Speaker 1: and two thousand sixteen. And when we win that first

1180
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:57,200
Speaker 1: game against Dallas, we have a good season. We went

1181
01:00:57,240 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 1: to the playoffs. I think this game is so important

1182
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 1: for us to win. And I think the other game

1183
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:06,760
Speaker 1: was like we lost nineteen three. And I don't think

1184
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 1: Zeke is the guy that killed us every time we

1185
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:12,240
Speaker 1: played him. I think it was one time he got

1186
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:15,680
Speaker 1: over a hundred yards but it's, uh, it's we always

1187
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:18,120
Speaker 1: stopped him on first and second down, and then they

1188
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 1: threw the ball over the middle to the tight ends

1189
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 1: and that killed us every time. So hopefully this year

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01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:28,160
Speaker 1: we can stop that. It's not going to be Cooper,

1191
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:30,520
Speaker 1: it's not going to be the wide receivers, it's not

1192
01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:32,840
Speaker 1: going to be Zeke. It's going to be the tight end.

1193
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:37,720
Speaker 1: We've got there stopped play over the middle of the field,

1194
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:42,680
Speaker 1: the easy path that we can't seem to stop. Hopefully

1195
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:45,720
Speaker 1: we can do it this year. Yeah, Jason Wining, you're

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01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 1: right on third down. I mean, he's been an absolute killer,

1197
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:51,600
Speaker 1: specifically against the Giants you're talking about. He's done more

1198
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:54,480
Speaker 1: damage against the Giants than any other team within the division.

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01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:56,720
Speaker 1: So yeah, they have to be ready for that. It's

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01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 1: gonna put a lot of pressure, I think on the

1201
01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:00,760
Speaker 1: linebackers in the safety. Jabrill Peppers about this earlier in

1202
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 1: the week because of Winden's big frame. You know, he

1203
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:06,000
Speaker 1: tries to take advantage of smaller guys and he uses

1204
01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:08,160
Speaker 1: his leverage. I mean, I'm looking at the numbers from

1205
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:10,760
Speaker 1: the game last year in Dallas, and you know Dallas

1206
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:13,280
Speaker 1: didn't put it on an offensive clinic But to me,

1207
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:15,920
Speaker 1: a big part of dallas victory last year in Dallas

1208
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:18,360
Speaker 1: was their defense. You know, they did a good job

1209
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:21,560
Speaker 1: obviously putting pressure on Eli Manning and the offensive line.

1210
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 1: They had six sacks, They took away the Giants run

1211
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:27,240
Speaker 1: game and Kwan at eleven carries or twenty eight yards

1212
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:30,040
Speaker 1: in Week two last year. So, you know, the defense

1213
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 1: is a big part of the conversation. Everybody's talking about

1214
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:34,560
Speaker 1: what the Giants defense has to do to Dallas. What

1215
01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:36,440
Speaker 1: about the fact that you know, we're talking about how

1216
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:39,120
Speaker 1: fast and speedy this Dallas defense is one of the

1217
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:42,160
Speaker 1: top units last year. How effective they are in just

1218
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:45,439
Speaker 1: containment doesn't necessarily to begetting to the quarterbacks. Just being

1219
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:48,920
Speaker 1: responsible filling the gaps and making plays in the passing

1220
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:50,720
Speaker 1: game is gonna be a lot more important in this

1221
01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:53,640
Speaker 1: particular game that he was last year. Well, he had

1222
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:56,240
Speaker 1: fourteen catchers last year for eight yards in the opener,

1223
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:03,000
Speaker 1: the second that can game, we had Eric Flowers. Well,

1224
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:07,560
Speaker 1: no doubt the offensive line is dramatically trained yet. Well,

1225
01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 1: but but what I'm saying is Dallas is defense. Just

1226
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:12,840
Speaker 1: praise the offensive line. Yeah, well, I mean I let

1227
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:16,040
Speaker 1: that go in one year. He just did but Charlie,

1228
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:20,000
Speaker 1: the offense. But that's also for one random day out

1229
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:22,520
Speaker 1: of the course of the year. Okay, let's let's see

1230
01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:25,880
Speaker 1: that trend continue over the course of weeks. Yes, the

1231
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 1: offensive line has changed, Charlie, there's no doubt about that.

1232
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:33,200
Speaker 1: Defense has to be, you know, break but not bend.

1233
01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 1: That's what I think our defense is going to be.

1234
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:37,800
Speaker 1: We're gonna give up yards, We're gonna give up, but

1235
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:40,760
Speaker 1: we're not gonna in the red zone. That's when we're

1236
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:42,920
Speaker 1: gonna get tight. That's when we're going to stop him.

1237
01:03:43,240 --> 01:03:47,520
Speaker 1: That's when they're gonna get field goal. He meant, he

1238
01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:49,640
Speaker 1: meant that the defense should break, but not then it

1239
01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:52,040
Speaker 1: was said, beautifully, it flowed right off with this tongue.

1240
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:55,640
Speaker 1: That's right, the defense should break. That's that's a good philosophy, Charlie,

1241
01:03:55,920 --> 01:04:00,840
Speaker 1: very good philosophy. Yeah, it should end but not break. Yes, Yes,

1242
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:06,800
Speaker 1: we understand, Charlie. I will tell you this. I do

1243
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:11,720
Speaker 1: mean this because of the lack of experience in the

1244
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:16,720
Speaker 1: back seven. I do think if the Giants prevent big plays,

1245
01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:21,160
Speaker 1: I I don't see Dallas winning the game because I

1246
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 1: do believe that when the field gets smaller than the

1247
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:28,120
Speaker 1: defense is in a better advantageous position because they don't

1248
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:31,200
Speaker 1: have as much feel to cover and the communication mistakes

1249
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:35,040
Speaker 1: are less visible. You know, when you've got a sixty

1250
01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:38,320
Speaker 1: seventy yard chunk of real estate behind you and somebody

1251
01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:40,720
Speaker 1: makes a mistake or somebody bites on a move and

1252
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:44,240
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it's a sixty touchdown pass, that's horrible.

1253
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:46,760
Speaker 1: I think if the Giants can avoid giving up one

1254
01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:48,840
Speaker 1: of those, I think they were in much better shape

1255
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:51,600
Speaker 1: to win the game. I think we're gonna my pre

1256
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:56,280
Speaker 1: is are going to get three turnovers. That's asking a lot.

1257
01:04:56,840 --> 01:05:01,880
Speaker 1: But okay, all right, Charlie, thank you appreciate the call.

1258
01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:03,920
Speaker 1: There's a lot of things that have changed. If you

1259
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:06,240
Speaker 1: go back to the Dallas meeting last year, the last

1260
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:09,920
Speaker 1: meeting of the season. Remember Dallas did play the majority

1261
01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:12,960
Speaker 1: of its starters rested those some guys Zeke didn't play.

1262
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:15,720
Speaker 1: But the first game in Dallas, remember the Cowboys didn't

1263
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:18,080
Speaker 1: have a Marty Cooper at that point. Michael Gallup was

1264
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:21,480
Speaker 1: a rookie. There was no Jason Witten. So that has

1265
01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:24,000
Speaker 1: changed for Dallas. In terms of the artillery. Are they're

1266
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:26,840
Speaker 1: gonna fall the artillery, they're gonna throw out on offense

1267
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:30,120
Speaker 1: and then with respect to the Giants, offensive line has changed,

1268
01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:34,560
Speaker 1: they got new defensive personnel, a lot of things across

1269
01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:36,760
Speaker 1: the board are very different. I think it's fair to

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Speaker 1: say compared to that first matchup in Dallas last year

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Speaker 1: back in Week two and the Cowboys won that game thirteen.

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Speaker 1: So that is gonna wrap up the latest edition of

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Speaker 1: to finally kick off the two thousand nineteen campaign. It

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