WEBVTT - You Are Being Lied To About Taiwan 0:00:05.720 --> 0:00:08.960 It's it's it's it could happen here the podcast. The 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:12.440 thing that's happening here is that once again, like a 0:00:12.480 --> 0:00:15.920 bunch of random American politicians are going in Taiwan, and 0:00:16.040 --> 0:00:18.120 this time they didn't announced they were going, apparently because 0:00:18.160 --> 0:00:24.440 announcing they were going last time went great. So yeah, 0:00:24.960 --> 0:00:27.240 this is this is, this is what we're talking about today, 0:00:27.400 --> 0:00:30.320 and with with me is James. Hello James, how how 0:00:30.400 --> 0:00:36.960 you doing? All right? I'm wonderful and I'm splendid. Oh okay, 0:00:37.159 --> 0:00:39.480 so we have to talk about Taiwan. And I think 0:00:39.479 --> 0:00:41.960 like people who have listened to me on this show 0:00:42.200 --> 0:00:45.280 for a while know that, like so like, okay, a 0:00:45.280 --> 0:00:47.800 lot of my family is some Taiwan. I don't like 0:00:47.920 --> 0:00:52.319 talking about Taiwan very much. Um I I think I've 0:00:52.320 --> 0:00:54.720 talked about Taiwan the politics and detail exactly once on 0:00:54.760 --> 0:00:57.280 this show when I was forced to for Iguana wood shooting, 0:00:58.000 --> 0:01:00.120 and like I would really prefer not to like not 0:01:00.160 --> 0:01:02.600 something I particularly enjoy talking about, which is you know, 0:01:02.640 --> 0:01:05.679 a big part about what we haven't But unfortunately I 0:01:05.720 --> 0:01:09.200 can't continue not to talk about it because the American 0:01:09.280 --> 0:01:10.720 left and and this is true of not just the 0:01:10.840 --> 0:01:12.800 American Institute the British Lift. This is true of the 0:01:12.880 --> 0:01:17.800 left kind of writ large is being systematically lied to 0:01:17.840 --> 0:01:20.520 about Taiwan by a group of incredibly malicious nationalists who 0:01:20.520 --> 0:01:25.679 are attempting to rally support for their like incredibly violent 0:01:25.720 --> 0:01:30.360 and bizarre imperial delusions, and unfortunately it's working. So I'm 0:01:30.400 --> 0:01:32.440 and instead of that, I'm going to give what I'm 0:01:32.440 --> 0:01:34.440 gonna call Taiwan one oh one, and I'm calling it 0:01:34.520 --> 0:01:35.920 tai Wan one on one, even though this is going 0:01:35.920 --> 0:01:39.360 to be like an hour long, because this is as 0:01:39.400 --> 0:01:42.679 far as I could cut this whole thing down, Like 0:01:42.720 --> 0:01:45.280 Taiwanese politics is genuinely complicated, as part of the reason 0:01:45.319 --> 0:01:47.160 I like talking about it, and at people who are 0:01:47.160 --> 0:01:49.120 giving you simple answers to what's happening in Taiwan are 0:01:49.200 --> 0:01:51.400 lying to you. This is the best I can do, 0:01:51.760 --> 0:01:53.520 and it this is this is like the length of 0:01:53.520 --> 0:01:59.320 a Bachelor's episode. So nice, I'm excited. Yeah, So well, 0:01:59.320 --> 0:02:01.680 welcome with ti Want one on one. Um. The beginning 0:02:01.680 --> 0:02:03.320 of Tie one one on one is that Taiwan is 0:02:03.360 --> 0:02:06.640 a series of islands off the coast of China. And yes, 0:02:06.680 --> 0:02:09.120 there are a bunch of islands. Nobody talks about this 0:02:09.360 --> 0:02:13.840 like because again, people who talk about Taiwan like couldn't 0:02:13.840 --> 0:02:16.920 find their own ass on a map. So you know, 0:02:18.080 --> 0:02:19.840 there there, there, there's a bunch of islands. There's one 0:02:19.880 --> 0:02:24.760 big one that there's several like a lot of smaller ones. Um. Now, 0:02:25.200 --> 0:02:27.560 one of the sort of fundamental principles of not just 0:02:27.600 --> 0:02:29.960 being on the left, but like being a decent person 0:02:30.160 --> 0:02:33.720 is self determination. And you know, self determination on on 0:02:33.720 --> 0:02:36.519 a very basic level is that people have the right 0:02:36.560 --> 0:02:39.040 to choose how they want to live, and in a 0:02:39.040 --> 0:02:41.960 more immediate political context, they have the right to choose 0:02:41.960 --> 0:02:44.080 how they want to organize their governments and who they 0:02:44.120 --> 0:02:47.520 do and don't want to be ruled by. So okay, well, 0:02:47.639 --> 0:02:51.120 what are the actual numbers in Taiwan? Say, well, okay, 0:02:51.160 --> 0:02:54.040 we we we have recent pulling from the National Chung 0:02:54.160 --> 0:02:58.040 Chi University's elect Election Studies Center, which says that a 0:02:58.120 --> 0:03:01.920 grand total of six point six percent of Taiwan's population 0:03:01.960 --> 0:03:06.600 wants unification with China. The overwhelming majority of people in 0:03:06.639 --> 0:03:14.000 Taiwan eight want to just maintain the status quo, which yeah, 0:03:14.040 --> 0:03:16.280 I guess I said. So the status quo right now 0:03:16.480 --> 0:03:22.720 is that like China claims that it is the sole 0:03:22.800 --> 0:03:29.440 legitimate Government of Taiwan. UM. Taiwan like technically legally claims 0:03:29.560 --> 0:03:31.959 that they are the sole legitimate government China. Nobody actually 0:03:32.000 --> 0:03:36.640 believes that anymore. Like if if you scoured the entirety 0:03:36.640 --> 0:03:38.680 of Taiwan, you might find six dudes in a bunker 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:42.680 who still believe that, like they're the real government of Tchina. Like, 0:03:43.320 --> 0:03:46.400 but the actual status quo is that Taiwan is basically 0:03:46.440 --> 0:03:50.920 de fact is like this, Taiwan is de factoway self 0:03:50.920 --> 0:03:55.440 governing polity that has elections and stuff, and yeah, everyone 0:03:55.480 --> 0:03:58.680 gets incredibly mad about this. Most people want to preserve 0:03:58.720 --> 0:04:02.040 the status quo. Um inside of the people who want 0:04:02.040 --> 0:04:04.680 to maintain the status quo, you have, you know, it's 0:04:04.760 --> 0:04:11.320 like like basically for for three different options basically, so 0:04:11.640 --> 0:04:13.680 there's very similar numbers of people who either want to 0:04:13.760 --> 0:04:16.760 like decide the formal status of Taiwan, like is an 0:04:16.800 --> 0:04:18.320 independent country as a part of China that if you 0:04:18.360 --> 0:04:20.200 want to kick it down the road. Some of them 0:04:20.240 --> 0:04:22.400 want to keep the status quo indefinitely, and some of 0:04:22.440 --> 0:04:24.840 them want to move towards full independence like later on. 0:04:25.800 --> 0:04:29.480 But overwhelmingly what people want in Taiwan is for nothing 0:04:29.520 --> 0:04:33.279 to happen now if this were a saying in rational world, 0:04:33.279 --> 0:04:35.040 that would be the end of the episode. Right, Taiwan 0:04:35.080 --> 0:04:37.120 doesn't want to be ruled by China, Like okay, well 0:04:37.160 --> 0:04:39.560 that's okay, that's the right, they have the right self determination. 0:04:39.760 --> 0:04:42.279 That's it. Case closed and a story. It literally doesn't 0:04:42.320 --> 0:04:46.200 matter what the Chinese government thinks about whether it should 0:04:46.200 --> 0:04:48.600 control Taiwan, because again, Taiwan doesn't want to be ruled 0:04:48.600 --> 0:04:53.560 by China. And because a British person, I maybe I 0:04:53.600 --> 0:04:57.320 maybe you ought to like not contribute further to that discussion. Yeah, 0:04:57.360 --> 0:04:58.960 you know, I mean, and I mean, you know, there's 0:04:58.960 --> 0:05:02.000 there's there's this whole thing that exists right where when 0:05:02.040 --> 0:05:04.240 when you when you force your role on another population, 0:05:04.279 --> 0:05:08.800 it is called imperialism considered to be bad and anyway 0:05:08.800 --> 0:05:11.480 and everything is it's still bad even if everyone inside 0:05:11.520 --> 0:05:14.000 the imperial power thinks that it's good. Like if every 0:05:14.000 --> 0:05:16.080 person in the US suddenly decided tomorrow but they wanted 0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:18.880 to invade Cuba, like, it wouldn't make it morally right 0:05:19.000 --> 0:05:21.600 because people in Cuba don't want to people in the US, 0:05:21.760 --> 0:05:25.000 which we've done before. But it's true. Yeah, this is 0:05:25.040 --> 0:05:27.000 partially why I picked Cuba as example, because we really 0:05:27.000 --> 0:05:29.880 we did this. We we really did like kill an 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:33.440 enormous number of people trying did Yeah, based on bullshit 0:05:33.560 --> 0:05:37.320 that people made up and portrayed his news. There was 0:05:37.360 --> 0:05:41.919 the best speculation. Yeah. But you know, as we can 0:05:41.960 --> 0:05:43.760 tell by the fact that the U. S Has invaded Cuba, 0:05:44.160 --> 0:05:46.240 we do not live in a saying irrational world. We 0:05:46.279 --> 0:05:48.440 live in hell. And this means that I have a 0:05:48.480 --> 0:05:50.640 talk about a bunch of which is absolutely bullshit, arguments 0:05:50.680 --> 0:05:55.640 that a bunch of nationalist dip ships made up justify imperialism. 0:05:55.680 --> 0:05:58.280 So all right, this is where we start going into 0:05:58.320 --> 0:06:01.520 townan these history. Um So, the starting point of any 0:06:01.520 --> 0:06:03.720 actual history of Taiwan that's worth a single ship is 0:06:03.760 --> 0:06:08.039 Taiwan's indigenous population. And it is incredibly important to understand 0:06:08.080 --> 0:06:12.520 from the outset. The indigenous population of Taiwan is not Chinese. 0:06:12.640 --> 0:06:15.480 They are not ethnically Chinese, they are not linguistically Chinese, 0:06:15.480 --> 0:06:17.719 they are not culturally Chinese, they are not any of 0:06:17.720 --> 0:06:20.279 these things. By literally any definition of the word Chinese, 0:06:20.320 --> 0:06:24.640 you can imagine they are not Chinese. Um this, this population, 0:06:24.760 --> 0:06:29.359 this indigenous population is Austronnesian. It's it's an Austronesian people 0:06:29.360 --> 0:06:32.599 are population stretches basically from like it's it's an enormous 0:06:32.640 --> 0:06:36.240 screw of people across specific stretches from like Madagascar all 0:06:36.279 --> 0:06:40.039 the way to like Hawaii, and that that that those 0:06:40.080 --> 0:06:42.880 are the people who who who who live on Taiwan 0:06:42.920 --> 0:06:48.800 and have lived on Taiwan for six thousand years. And 0:06:48.960 --> 0:06:52.200 you know, if if you read like CCP accounts of 0:06:52.200 --> 0:06:55.160 Taiwanese history, right, you'll see them they they won't talk 0:06:55.200 --> 0:06:56.919 about the fact that there again there's been an indigenous 0:06:56.920 --> 0:07:00.240 population that has lived in Taiwan for six thousand years. Um, 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:02.280 what you'll see references to you are like in like 0:07:02.320 --> 0:07:05.279 the Suiti and like Sung dynasties, people like sent troops 0:07:05.320 --> 0:07:08.360 to Taiwan and the season people will be like, oh yeah, no, 0:07:08.480 --> 0:07:12.280 they they they they they governed Taiwan and they ruled it. 0:07:12.320 --> 0:07:14.280 It was a part of China, and like ancient times, 0:07:14.280 --> 0:07:16.880 like this is all bullshit. Like basically what would happen 0:07:16.880 --> 0:07:20.680 is periodically, every like a few hundred years, some Chinese 0:07:20.760 --> 0:07:22.280 leader would be like we should send some people to 0:07:22.280 --> 0:07:24.280 that island and they went there and we're like this sucks, 0:07:24.280 --> 0:07:28.280 and they all left. But you know, yeah, and and 0:07:28.280 --> 0:07:29.840 and and you know, like okay, so like these guys, 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:31.680 they're like, okay, this think this thing sucks. They leave, 0:07:31.800 --> 0:07:34.560 and the indigenous population continues going like you know, goes 0:07:34.600 --> 0:07:37.240 back to dude, like their normal thing, right, Like this 0:07:37.320 --> 0:07:40.400 is the the the actual history of who has controlled 0:07:40.400 --> 0:07:43.080 Taiwan for almost this entire history is that it was 0:07:43.080 --> 0:07:48.200 controlled by the stigenous population. But in four colonial powers 0:07:48.520 --> 0:07:52.880 start getting more involved and the Dutch sees control of Taiwan. Well, okay, 0:07:52.920 --> 0:07:55.080 so the Dutch taking most of Taiwan. There's a part 0:07:55.120 --> 0:07:57.800 of Taiwan in the north that's ruled by the Spanish, 0:07:57.880 --> 0:08:02.320 and they do like bunch of just like horrible, like 0:08:02.400 --> 0:08:05.640 unspeakable crimes to the indigenous population before they ran out 0:08:05.640 --> 0:08:09.960 by like basically like a fragment of the dying like 0:08:10.080 --> 0:08:14.800 Chinese Ming dynasty. And so yeah, six two this guy 0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:17.640 whose name okay, so she has like a name that 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:19.520 he's known by in the West that I genuinely have 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:22.440 no idea how to pronounce, because this the name that 0:08:22.480 --> 0:08:24.080 he's known by in the West, I think is a 0:08:24.160 --> 0:08:27.080 Dutch translation of his title and not like his name 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:32.160 his baffling I okay, Like I think the Mandarin version 0:08:32.160 --> 0:08:37.160 of his title is something like Cushing. Uh. The Dutch 0:08:37.360 --> 0:08:41.959 somehow turned that into what I'm going to interpret as 0:08:42.920 --> 0:08:46.680 coaching GA. Like it's baffling, It doesn't make any sense. 0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:49.960 Their transliteration is is nonsense. But yeah, so there's this guy. 0:08:50.160 --> 0:08:52.040 You'll you'll see you'll see his name written as like 0:08:52.080 --> 0:08:57.360 coaching um, and he's described alternately as sort of like 0:08:57.600 --> 0:08:59.240 you know. You'll see some inscriptions of him which will 0:08:59.280 --> 0:09:02.320 be like he is a all your list ming general um, 0:09:02.360 --> 0:09:05.480 and that's kind of true, like sort of. You will 0:09:05.520 --> 0:09:08.760 also see descriptions of him that call him a pirate warlord, 0:09:08.800 --> 0:09:13.199 which is like also true. And you will also see nationalists, 0:09:13.240 --> 0:09:15.559 like Chinese nationalists celebrate him as like an anti colonial 0:09:15.640 --> 0:09:17.959 hero and call him like running out the Dutchess like 0:09:18.000 --> 0:09:21.920 the liberation of Taiwan and like that's not true, like 0:09:23.200 --> 0:09:27.520 which this is not true, Like I've I've seen people 0:09:27.640 --> 0:09:31.320 like from Taiwan like could do stuff with the indigenous population, 0:09:31.360 --> 0:09:32.839 like I've I've seen them call I've seen them call 0:09:32.920 --> 0:09:37.360 him by Taiwan's Christopher Columbus. So this is how this 0:09:37.440 --> 0:09:40.640 is going. Um. Wait, so we're saying that changing from 0:09:40.679 --> 0:09:43.840 one colonial power to another, it is not liberation, no, 0:09:44.000 --> 0:09:47.440 it turns out and fascinating. Yeah, you can tell it's 0:09:47.440 --> 0:09:49.800 not that not liberation because you know, like a lot 0:09:49.840 --> 0:09:52.760 of people like actually like you know, do believe that, like, hey, 0:09:52.800 --> 0:09:54.640 it's gonna be less bad for us under this guy 0:09:54.679 --> 0:09:55.840 than it is going to be on for the Dutch. 0:09:56.040 --> 0:09:57.439 It is kind of less bad. Like there are a 0:09:57.440 --> 0:10:00.600 bunch of redigenous people who go who fight with show 0:10:00.720 --> 0:10:02.800 coaching gun like you know, and he he helps they 0:10:03.080 --> 0:10:05.880 helped him defeat the Dutch. But what what he does 0:10:06.080 --> 0:10:09.040 instead of like you know, freeing the people there is 0:10:09.160 --> 0:10:12.320 he maintains the Dutch colonial system while basically just seizing 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:16.160 Taiwan to run his court from. And you know, like 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:18.719 Dutch colonial rule. Okay, so like Dutch colonial rule is over, 0:10:18.760 --> 0:10:20.480 but what if we're placed by is the rule of 0:10:20.520 --> 0:10:24.559 an independent pirate warlord state. It sounds fun, I mean, 0:10:24.600 --> 0:10:27.360 it kind of is, like I mean, there's this whole 0:10:27.400 --> 0:10:29.200 so okay, So the kind of background of this is that, 0:10:29.280 --> 0:10:32.880 like the US, the Ming dynasty is falling apart. The 0:10:32.920 --> 0:10:35.800 Mean dynasty had ruled China since they ever threw the 0:10:35.840 --> 0:10:39.280 Mongols basically, and but like they're they're imploding. There's a 0:10:39.320 --> 0:10:42.640 bunch of revolutions going on there. They are in the 0:10:42.679 --> 0:10:47.040 process of getting eventually getting knocked off by um the 0:10:47.120 --> 0:10:49.400 Qing dynasty, who a group of people from Manchuria who 0:10:49.440 --> 0:10:51.920 we will be getting to in a second. Yeah, this 0:10:51.920 --> 0:10:54.000 guy's like technically in mean general, but he's sort of 0:10:54.040 --> 0:10:56.400 not and he's he's doing this sort of pilot warlord stuff. 0:10:56.400 --> 0:10:57.720 But then he like he sets up like his own 0:10:57.800 --> 0:11:03.400 dynasty like very short lived see there. And this is 0:11:03.440 --> 0:11:06.640 the first time that there's been like actual political control 0:11:06.760 --> 0:11:09.040 of Taiwan by any kind of Chinese entity, right like 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:12.760 the like the weird dipshit armies that like China was 0:11:12.800 --> 0:11:14.760 sending in like the Song dynasty, Like they don't they 0:11:14.760 --> 0:11:16.680 don't actually like set up a government, right, Like they're 0:11:16.679 --> 0:11:18.240 just kind of there forbidden they leave. This is the 0:11:18.280 --> 0:11:20.520 first time like they actually conquered the island and rule 0:11:20.559 --> 0:11:22.800 it as like a political enter. And even then it's 0:11:22.840 --> 0:11:24.360 kind of a half as conquest, like there's a lot 0:11:24.400 --> 0:11:26.960 of places they kind of just like they're just like, yeah, okay, 0:11:27.000 --> 0:11:31.120 we're just not gonna bother with this. But yeah, and 0:11:31.120 --> 0:11:33.520 you know, again, like this is the first time this 0:11:33.559 --> 0:11:36.160 has happened, and it's not like the Chinese state, right, 0:11:36.200 --> 0:11:39.520 it's a pirate war Mark and his descendants get like 0:11:39.600 --> 0:11:42.760 knocked off by the Chain dynasty in sixteen eighty three, 0:11:43.400 --> 0:11:45.640 and this is the first time like a real Chinese 0:11:45.679 --> 0:11:50.480 government has controlled Taiwan um because bye bye bye bye bye. 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:53.720 Six eighty three, the Chanine dynasty has finished taking overall 0:11:53.800 --> 0:11:55.800 of China or all all of what used to be 0:11:56.080 --> 0:11:59.280 like the main dynasty in China. And this is the 0:11:59.400 --> 0:12:02.160 period that these nationals a point to and say like no, no, no, 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:06.040 really really hold on, hold on. Taiwan actually is part 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:09.400 of China because we conquered it in like six eighty three, 0:12:10.920 --> 0:12:15.800 which you know, okay, yeah, yeah, this is this is 0:12:15.840 --> 0:12:18.559 a part of Taiwan's China's ancient times. Yeah that this 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:20.880 place we conquered in sixteen eight three, which ignores also 0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:24.560 again the previous five thousand, four hundred years where Taiwan 0:12:24.600 --> 0:12:29.280 was rule by its indigenous people. It's it's baffling nationalists, 0:12:29.280 --> 0:12:33.240 brame words stuff yep. That has worked historically for other countries, 0:12:33.280 --> 0:12:35.800 notably this one and the one I'm from. But make 0:12:35.840 --> 0:12:37.680 it right, yeah, well, and then you'll you'll get people 0:12:37.720 --> 0:12:39.840 arguing this is like well, how like like how how 0:12:39.920 --> 0:12:41.960 is this different from the U s. It's like, well, 0:12:42.000 --> 0:12:44.720 here's the thing. I am a leftist, and I am 0:12:44.800 --> 0:12:47.160 capable of understanding that multiple things can be bad at 0:12:47.200 --> 0:12:51.720 the same time, especially when they're bad in the same way. Like, wow, hey, 0:12:51.800 --> 0:12:56.240 maybe these are all settler qualities. We should destroy them, Okay, 0:12:56.280 --> 0:12:58.600 But we should actually talk about the Chin dynasty a bit, 0:12:58.679 --> 0:13:03.679 because a lot of what Chinese nationalism draws from is 0:13:04.160 --> 0:13:06.160 the sort of imperial expansion of the Chan chyneste. Even 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:07.599 though the Ching are the Ching are not like a 0:13:07.760 --> 0:13:11.360 Han Chinese dynasty. Um, they're like ethnically they're from a 0:13:11.400 --> 0:13:15.600 different ethnic group. But yeah, I mean it's said, it's 0:13:15.679 --> 0:13:18.560 it's the like the the Ching dynasty is a Manchion 0:13:18.600 --> 0:13:21.280 dynasty ruled by the people like the Manchies out of Mancharia. 0:13:22.000 --> 0:13:24.800 But I I think like insofar as people think about 0:13:24.800 --> 0:13:26.319 the Chin Dynasty, they tend to think about like the 0:13:26.400 --> 0:13:27.920 Late Chain dynasty Like this is like, you know, like 0:13:28.000 --> 0:13:31.160 the eight hundred Chang dynasty is a disaster, right, Like 0:13:31.559 --> 0:13:33.679 they lose the Opium Wars, they can beat by Japan. 0:13:33.880 --> 0:13:36.040 This is the whole sort of century humiliation thing has 0:13:36.080 --> 0:13:38.760 a lot to do with like Ching imperial decline. But 0:13:40.080 --> 0:13:44.480 you know that that's like the eighteen hundreds change, the 0:13:44.640 --> 0:13:47.720 seventeen hundreds change, especially in the sixty seventeen hundreds change. 0:13:47.840 --> 0:13:52.120 Is it incredibly dynamic and you know, incredibly militant and 0:13:52.160 --> 0:13:55.800 expansionist empire. Um here, here's I'm gonna I'm gonna read 0:13:55.800 --> 0:13:59.640 a passage from the book Taiwan's Imagine Geographies. Having annexed 0:13:59.640 --> 0:14:02.040 taime On in sixteen eighty four, the Ching turned its 0:14:02.080 --> 0:14:07.080 attention to Central Asia, pacifying quote quote unquote pacifying the Mongols, 0:14:07.120 --> 0:14:09.640 and bringing eastern Turkistan and lass of the capital of 0:14:09.679 --> 0:14:13.280 Tibet under Ching rule. The Ching further expanded its control 0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:17.080 in south and southwest China, subjugating various non Chinese peoples. 0:14:17.120 --> 0:14:20.040 Of this reason to Ching domination at its height in 0:14:20.120 --> 0:14:26.440 the eighteenth century, Ching influences set it into Korea, Vietnam, Laos, Thailand, Burman, Nepal, 0:14:26.880 --> 0:14:29.160 all of which came under the suicerenity of the Empire. 0:14:29.640 --> 0:14:32.200 By eighteen sixty, the Ching had achieved the incredible feat 0:14:32.200 --> 0:14:35.520 of doubling the size of the empire's territory, bringing various 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:38.600 non Chinese frontier people under its rule. The impact of 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:42.680 changing expansionism was thus was thus tremendous, as the chain 0:14:42.800 --> 0:14:45.800 not only redefined the territorial boundaries of China, but also 0:14:46.080 --> 0:14:49.480 re fashioned China as a multi ethnic realm, as a 0:14:49.560 --> 0:14:53.560 multi ethnic realm, shifting the traditional border between Chinese Hua 0:14:53.760 --> 0:14:58.400 and Barbarian Ye. In doing so, the Ching created an 0:14:58.400 --> 0:15:01.160 image of China that has vastly from that of the Ming. 0:15:03.480 --> 0:15:06.120 And I think I think it's really important to understand 0:15:06.880 --> 0:15:09.880 what kinds of empire this is, which is to say 0:15:09.920 --> 0:15:13.680 that the Change dynasty is an incredibly brutal colonial power 0:15:13.840 --> 0:15:17.120 even like by the standards of like that's like, you know, okay, 0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:21.160 like all of all, like the all the the okay, 0:15:21.440 --> 0:15:24.320 Chinese dynastic history is not pretty right, Like this is 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:26.440 you know, it's an empire, right, it's an empire. It's 0:15:26.520 --> 0:15:28.760 ruled by an emperor. It kind of sucks, like it's 0:15:28.800 --> 0:15:30.880 not it's not good per se. But like, even by 0:15:30.920 --> 0:15:34.000 the standards of like China, the Qing are incredibly militants, 0:15:34.360 --> 0:15:37.400 an incredibly expansionist um. For example, like shing Chong, which 0:15:37.440 --> 0:15:40.040 which is a province that the Ching conquered, so it 0:15:40.120 --> 0:15:42.120 used to be inhabited by a Mongol speaking people until 0:15:42.160 --> 0:15:44.720 the Ching just exterminated them all and settled the entire 0:15:44.840 --> 0:15:48.840 land with with Han and weaker like a thin groups. 0:15:49.440 --> 0:15:52.600 And you know, this history points to something that's important 0:15:52.600 --> 0:15:54.640 to understand when we talk about China Taiwan in the 0:15:54.760 --> 0:15:56.760 U S. Which is that what we're talking about is 0:15:56.800 --> 0:16:00.960 three settler qualities. And I think people, you know, might 0:16:01.040 --> 0:16:03.160 be like, wait, what do you mean China's settler colony? 0:16:03.240 --> 0:16:06.160 And I'm just gonna read this passage from the book, uh, 0:16:06.960 --> 0:16:11.960 Sovereignty Frontiers The Possibility, which is by Julia Evans, Anna Genevis, 0:16:12.000 --> 0:16:14.600 Alexander Riley, and Patrick Wolf. And and yes, that is 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:17.600 that Patrick Wolf, who was like was basically the godfather 0:16:17.680 --> 0:16:19.680 of settler colonial studies and one of the most important 0:16:19.800 --> 0:16:22.000 like academics a turn of like in terms of like 0:16:22.000 --> 0:16:25.200 advancity annalysis of setterer colonialism, like the Palestinian conflict. But 0:16:25.720 --> 0:16:28.440 here's here, here, here's what he has to say about China. 0:16:28.880 --> 0:16:30.440 And this is kind of a long passage, but like, 0:16:30.560 --> 0:16:32.840 I want to include an explanation of what settler colonialism 0:16:32.880 --> 0:16:36.400 is because I've kind of just been tossing it around analytically. 0:16:36.480 --> 0:16:39.040 The case of Palestine reveals that the relationship between the 0:16:39.120 --> 0:16:42.440 external and internal dimensions of sovereignty is not a priori 0:16:42.520 --> 0:16:48.720 but contingent. Settler colonization converts external into internal, rendering indigenous 0:16:48.720 --> 0:16:52.840 sovereignties either non existent or domesticated. Annexation does the same thing, 0:16:53.000 --> 0:16:56.920 only is illegal. The difference again is sovereignty to annex 0:16:57.080 --> 0:17:01.480 is to practice settler colonialism in sovereign territory. Thus, the 0:17:01.600 --> 0:17:05.160 frontier is aligned in time as well as in space. Spatially, 0:17:05.280 --> 0:17:09.680 the frontier to limits unconquered native territory. Temporally, it marks 0:17:09.720 --> 0:17:13.600 the conversion of outside into inside. It renders externality a 0:17:13.680 --> 0:17:18.479 thing of the past in the global conquest of settler colonialism. Therefore, 0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:21.960 the internal and external dimensions represent the state of play, 0:17:22.040 --> 0:17:26.640 quote unquote. The ultimate prize is state formation with internationally 0:17:26.720 --> 0:17:30.879 recognized territorial sovereignty. Once the settler takeover as complete, the 0:17:31.000 --> 0:17:34.560 native realm becomes a thing of the past, superseded and detoxified, 0:17:34.760 --> 0:17:38.600 reduced to persisting in the settler's terms. Since in the 0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:42.119 case of Palestine, this process remains incomplete, the situation can 0:17:42.160 --> 0:17:46.400 still go either or potentially any way. At the international level, 0:17:46.480 --> 0:17:50.080 this uncertainty is reflected in the ambivalent status of Palestinian sovereignty, 0:17:50.480 --> 0:17:55.119 which remains simultaneously both acknowledged and questioned locally, The stags 0:17:55.200 --> 0:17:58.720 involved in the resolution of such international uncertainties could not 0:17:58.840 --> 0:18:03.560 be higher. Tibet represents a case in point. Despite significant 0:18:03.640 --> 0:18:08.200 informal deference to Tibet's national separateness, It's incorporation into the 0:18:08.280 --> 0:18:10.800 People's Republic of China is not seriously questioned. At the 0:18:10.840 --> 0:18:15.480 diplomatic level, Tibetan representation at the United Nations remains unimaginable. 0:18:16.000 --> 0:18:18.480 Yet even Tibetans might count their blessings when they compare 0:18:18.560 --> 0:18:22.320 their situation to that of Weakers, who, like them, are 0:18:22.400 --> 0:18:25.120 being officially colonized by Hans settlers in the so called 0:18:25.160 --> 0:18:28.680 autonomous region called shing Jong, a Chinese appellation that could 0:18:28.720 --> 0:18:32.440 have been scripted in sixteenth century Europe. It means new land, 0:18:34.000 --> 0:18:37.040 being so much more firmly domesticated within the Chinese state. However, 0:18:37.359 --> 0:18:40.800 weaker sovereignty remains from vote from global concern now. Now obviously, okay, 0:18:40.840 --> 0:18:45.240 this is written before like shing Jong became like a 0:18:45.240 --> 0:18:50.520 global news story. And also I I I question wolves 0:18:50.560 --> 0:18:54.080 translation of the word a little bit, like I think, 0:18:54.119 --> 0:18:56.760 I think new Frontier is probably a slightly better translation, 0:18:57.440 --> 0:19:00.600 but yeah, like you can see what's it are here, right, 0:19:00.760 --> 0:19:05.720 Like wolves argument is that like yeah, like like China 0:19:05.880 --> 0:19:09.399 is running to settler qualities, like the internal status of 0:19:09.520 --> 0:19:14.600 which is like even more internationally fucked than like most 0:19:14.680 --> 0:19:20.800 other settler colonies, which is incredibly grim. Like yeah, I 0:19:20.880 --> 0:19:22.960 think we don't. I don't know why we were so 0:19:23.680 --> 0:19:26.000 we've been so slow to see selling colonialism and these 0:19:26.040 --> 0:19:31.040 contiguous empires like here. Yeah, I mean I think part 0:19:31.080 --> 0:19:32.560 of what's happening here, like you know, okay, Like I 0:19:32.840 --> 0:19:34.439 think there's sort of a different dynamic with looking at 0:19:34.480 --> 0:19:36.200 this with Russia, but I think with China it's like 0:19:37.000 --> 0:19:41.600 people are just like it's really really hard to get 0:19:41.600 --> 0:19:44.600 people to understand that colonialism and imperialism are things that 0:19:44.720 --> 0:19:47.760 like not that like non white people can do, yes, 0:19:47.880 --> 0:19:50.240 and especially especially like this, you know. And I think 0:19:50.240 --> 0:19:52.359 this goes back to the sort of like Chan dynasy discussion, right, 0:19:52.359 --> 0:19:54.680 which is that like, yeah, you know, the like the 0:19:55.000 --> 0:19:57.720 way that people on the left understand the Ching dynasty 0:19:57.880 --> 0:19:59.600 is through the sort of nationalist lens looking at like 0:19:59.640 --> 0:20:01.920 the AG hundreds, and so they missed the whole part 0:20:01.960 --> 0:20:04.080 where they're doing all the settler colony stuff. But like 0:20:04.200 --> 0:20:06.480 what happens to them basically is that like you know, 0:20:06.600 --> 0:20:09.119 it's like they're there. It's kind of like the Ottomans, right, 0:20:09.160 --> 0:20:13.680 We're like their empire suddenly runs into like newer, better, 0:20:14.000 --> 0:20:16.520 more violence and more efficient empires. But like it doesn't 0:20:16.520 --> 0:20:22.560 mean that like they worked also empires. Like it's yeah, 0:20:22.720 --> 0:20:25.720 and then when people do work that out sometimes, like 0:20:25.800 --> 0:20:28.600 people and when we talk about like settler clonism in 0:20:28.640 --> 0:20:32.440 the US, sometimes like when folks have forced to retreat 0:20:32.520 --> 0:20:35.560 from the first position and that like that the US 0:20:35.680 --> 0:20:38.200 is not a settler quality, they'll then fall back on, well, 0:20:38.240 --> 0:20:42.200 they're indigenous empires beforehand, as if that somehow justifies Yeah, 0:20:42.320 --> 0:20:45.280 it's like it does not right, and like you know, 0:20:45.400 --> 0:20:48.119 like and I think it's the thing that tobet to 0:20:48.200 --> 0:20:52.040 where it's like, yeah, the pre existing Tibetan government was 0:20:52.160 --> 0:20:56.520 not good, like defends like that government. It sucks. I 0:20:57.240 --> 0:20:59.359 would also point out that the whole we're going to 0:20:59.440 --> 0:21:01.000 stop the slave trade thing is one of the things 0:21:01.080 --> 0:21:03.440 explicitly in in the in the Tree that was side 0:21:03.480 --> 0:21:04.840 of the Conference of Berlin. That was the thing that 0:21:04.880 --> 0:21:06.879 they claimed that that like that that was the thing 0:21:06.960 --> 0:21:08.840 that the European powers claimed they were doing when they 0:21:08.880 --> 0:21:11.840 invaded Africa, so like when they split Africa, but between 0:21:11.840 --> 0:21:15.520 the Clune of Powers, so like you know, okay, I 0:21:15.600 --> 0:21:17.480 mean also it's you know this this is getting slightly 0:21:17.520 --> 0:21:19.600 off topic, but it's also worth noting that like there 0:21:20.040 --> 0:21:22.959 wasn't there was actually a communist movement like in Tibet 0:21:23.040 --> 0:21:25.320 that wasn't the CCP, and the CCP killed them all. 0:21:25.840 --> 0:21:29.119 So that's great and fun. That's never happened before with 0:21:29.200 --> 0:21:33.080 titanitarian communist pass Yeah, it's it's going to happen again. 0:21:43.160 --> 0:21:45.840 The sort of I think the stakes of what's happening here, 0:21:46.040 --> 0:21:49.800 I think become more clear when you understand that, like 0:21:50.520 --> 0:21:53.360 you like the US and trying to to like two 0:21:53.400 --> 0:21:58.120 different extents, right, like I don't know, like China has 0:21:58.200 --> 0:22:00.200 parts there, like there are parts of China where it's 0:22:00.200 --> 0:22:02.359