1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,200 Speaker 1: Oh, ridiculous historians. Have you ever tried to cross the 2 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 1: Atlantic Ocean in a canoe? If so, boy, do we 3 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:09,239 Speaker 1: have a story for you. 4 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 2: Gustav Brohman tried to do that very thing. 5 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: You know how it is. It's eighteen ninety five. You 6 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: look at a log as seater and you think, maybe 7 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 1: I can make a sailboat out of it, and then 8 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:26,599 Speaker 1: maybe I can you know, go across the world. 9 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Yeah, maybe not circumnavigate the globe, but maybe 10 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:34,559 Speaker 2: the next best thing. Also, you know, Shenanigans ensued. There 11 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 2: are problems. This boat wasn't exactly the most seaworthy of vessels, 12 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:43,560 Speaker 2: but people took an interest in Broman's insane quest, as 13 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:43,879 Speaker 2: did we. 14 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: Yes, we did back in twenty eighteen. Here's the episode. 15 00:00:51,159 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. How often have 16 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 1: you wondered what exactly is a milkshake duck? Welcome to 17 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: the show, fellow ridiculous historians. And by the time this 18 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 1: episode is over, you will know what a milkshake duck is. 19 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: But I don't think we should spoil it just yet. 20 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 2: No, I mean, I just learned it myself. Ben. Apparently 21 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,040 Speaker 2: it's part of the zeit guys, it's a very very 22 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 2: current creation, and your nol lets me, we are not 23 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:46,119 Speaker 2: milkshake ducks ourselves, I don't think so. Neither of one 24 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 2: would hope. 25 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: Neither, of course, is super producer Casey Pegram. When we 26 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: were banding this story about at first, I was a 27 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 1: little concerned that it might be and I pitched part 28 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 1: of this. I was a little concerned that it might 29 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:02,559 Speaker 1: be too close thematically to some things we had done 30 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 1: fairly recently, like the. 31 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:06,559 Speaker 2: One where the guy tried to start an island nation. 32 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: Similar, similar, similar, Sorry, I have the tune the dark 33 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 1: Winged Duck stuck in my head, but it's milkshake duck, 34 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 1: milkshake duck. 35 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 2: Let's get dangerous exactly. 36 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:22,919 Speaker 1: So our story begins with a fellow named Gustaf Broman, 37 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: g as I like to call him Broman. So Gustav 38 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 1: Broman makes big news. We don't know a ton about 39 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:34,799 Speaker 1: his maybe his early life, but we do know when 40 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 1: he popped in the eyes of the media, and that 41 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 1: was in eighteen ninety five, he made a pretty astonishing 42 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: and ambitious claim. 43 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 2: He did he claimed, or dare I say, he announced 44 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 2: unequivocally that he would sail a thirteen foot long boat 45 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 2: made from a cedar log across the Atlantic Ocean. This 46 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 2: big news, my friend, big poppin' news. He decreed it. Yeah, 47 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 2: feeding frenzy. 48 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 1: And remember, you know the late eighteen hundreds, this is 49 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: a time when these sorts of stunts are tremendously popular. Right, 50 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 1: So he would ride this log, which he called the 51 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: Gustav Adolph the Second, in honor of, of course, the 52 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 1: king of Sweden. Right, what else would you name a canoe? 53 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: But here's the thing. His plan seemed pretty ridiculous just 54 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: just from the beginning. So here's how he pitched his decree. 55 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 1: He said, I'm going to sail across the Atlantic in 56 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: this amazing boat I've made from a cedar log. I'm 57 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 1: going to start in Coos Bay, Oregon, which was then 58 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: known as Marshfield, and then I'm gonna sail down the 59 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 1: coast to San Francisco. Notice the Atlantic is nowhere in 60 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 1: the picture here yet. And then he says, then I'm 61 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 1: gonna hop on a train with the boat and take 62 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: the train across the country to New York. 63 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 2: So he's got a thirteen foot boat. How is he 64 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 2: transporting this thing? Like you he's got a shipping container. 65 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's taking it on the he's hitting the rails 66 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: with it. 67 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. 68 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: So this this idea seems seems pretty weird, Like why 69 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: wouldn't you just start in New York? 70 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 2: Right? Yeah, it's almost as though he's got ulterior motives. 71 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:25,159 Speaker 2: Ben almost And this is where we learned a really 72 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:28,479 Speaker 2: weird phrase or a phrase that was unfamiliar to us. 73 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:32,160 Speaker 2: Do you remember that quote that was published about Gustav's 74 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 2: journey which said, if arrangement can be made with the 75 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 2: over land railroads, upon his arrival in San Francisco, he 76 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 2: will place machinery in his boat or put around wheels, 77 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 2: and by the use of naptha or electricity around her, 78 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 2: direct to New York by rail and then prepare for 79 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:46,720 Speaker 2: a transatlantic voyage. I'm sorry naphtha. 80 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 1: Right, So, what the heck is naphtha? At first, I 81 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 1: was confused because there's a brand of laundry soap called 82 00:04:56,279 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 1: Fell's Naphtha, which is used for treating stains. But the 83 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: is a flammable liquid hydrocarbon mixture. 84 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 2: So it's a fuel. 85 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a fuel, natural gas, petroleum distillates, distallation, cold tar, 86 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: and peat and in different areas and regions in different times. 87 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 1: It could also just be a word for crude oil 88 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:22,720 Speaker 1: or refined products like kerosene. So let's amend this. On 89 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: my part, he was riding the rails, but he was 90 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:30,839 Speaker 1: going to make his boat into a miniature train car 91 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:34,600 Speaker 1: that was part of his stick, so it would actually 92 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:37,599 Speaker 1: ride the rails itself in end on wheels. 93 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 2: Interesting. Yeah, I'd like to see that people have done that. 94 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:43,600 Speaker 1: There's a I have some car stuff episodes in the 95 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 1: back about like a rocket sled on rails and things 96 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:49,359 Speaker 1: of that nature. But what happened next? How did he 97 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:52,159 Speaker 1: get all this? How did he accomplish all these amazing things? 98 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 2: Well, Ben, he didn't, my friend, he just didn't. It 99 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 2: was what they call a fool's air. And it was 100 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 2: almost as though, no, it was as though he never 101 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 2: really intended on having success in any of these. Like 102 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:07,599 Speaker 2: you said earlier, it seems a little like he's going around, 103 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 2: as you know, something to get to with something else. Right, Yeah, 104 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 2: and why do it this way? It just seems utterly 105 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 2: wrong headed. And it was, and he had no intention 106 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:21,360 Speaker 2: of completing this mission right. 107 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: Four thousand people reportedly came to watch him attempt to 108 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:30,480 Speaker 1: sail down the coast again into San Francisco. His ship, 109 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 1: which was pretty impractical, was immediately blown into a sandbar 110 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 1: far enough from sure that nobody could get close enough 111 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 1: to ask him what was going on, And he just. 112 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 2: Kind of hung out there for a while. He was 113 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 2: out of reach, he was out of reach from any assistance, 114 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 2: and then finally, luckily the tides were on his side 115 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 2: and they kind of got him moving again. 116 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: The tides got him moving again, and on March fourteenth 117 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 1: of eighteen ninety five, he arrived in San Francisco. 118 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 2: Aboard the steamer or wait, not on the Gustav Adolf No, 119 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 2: it was in the cargo. Really, yeah, why, I don't know. 120 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:07,839 Speaker 2: I don't know. 121 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 1: It's it's a little it's a little suspicious. So the 122 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: La Times reported that the captain of the steamer had 123 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: taken Gustav Browman aboard to prevent him from drowning as 124 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 1: his boat capsized over and over and over again. 125 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 2: We're getting some of this info from a fantastic article 126 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 2: on slate dot com called Meet Gustav Broman, the nineteenth 127 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 2: century man who attempted to cross the Atlantic in a 128 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 2: log boat, by Matthew Dessum. And there's some great excerpts 129 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 2: from reporting from the time, and there's a really good 130 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 2: AP headline we're going to get to in a little 131 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 2: bit that just makes me fills me with joy. But 132 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 2: here's a little excerpt from the San Francisco call piece. 133 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 2: They were not feeling mister Browman's boat situation or his 134 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 2: what do you call somebody that makes boats a ship, 135 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 2: a shipwright, a ship rights? Is that what it is? 136 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: A boat rights? Between a ship and a boat. 137 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 2: That's the question. I would say this is more of 138 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 2: a boat. 139 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, let's give him some crowd. Let's call him 140 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 1: a boat right. 141 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 2: A boat right. They took issue with his boat right 142 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 2: ting skills and had this to say. The craft, fitted 143 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 2: with contrivances never before seen on land or sea, and 144 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 2: having more depth than beam, is about his safe for 145 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 2: passenger service. It's a bale of hay, they said. They laughed, 146 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 2: not content with the natural crankiness consequent upon its unship 147 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:37,680 Speaker 2: like construction. The architect has riveted brass, chain. 148 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 3: Plates and other articles to the rail and deck absurd, 149 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 3: which further raises her center of gravity, making her an 150 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 3: elegant and graceful capsize her if it is safe to 151 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 3: say that the bold navigator will navigate his uncanny and 152 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 3: uninteresting craft into some fake museum. They are really given 153 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 3: it to him here, and it would be proven that 154 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 3: she was designed not for ocean travel but for the 155 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 3: midway nickel trade. 156 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: And they had a good laugh. So you ad lived 157 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 1: a lot of that. Yeah, I really appreciate how you 158 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:16,839 Speaker 1: were going from Matt Berry at the beginning. I think, yeah, 159 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 1: that's a true description. Yeah, like that's that's we have 160 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 1: to emphasize that. You can you can feel the snark 161 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 1: on the San Francisco call, but everything they're saying about 162 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 1: this log boat is absolutely accurate. 163 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 2: No, it's true. I was just more tickled by the 164 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 2: very haughty, toughty nature of the sick burns in this Yeah. 165 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's yeah, that's what I mean. That's what I'm saying, 166 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 1: like snarky. And they have that one line in the 167 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 1: end from that excerpt says she was designed not for 168 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:50,439 Speaker 1: ocean travel, but for the midway nickel trade. And they 169 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 1: were right that this boat seemed designed for something else, 170 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 1: but they didn't know what the actual scheme was. You 171 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: see Gustav Broman and again his real name, as far 172 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 1: as we know, was sort of already a celebrity, just 173 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 1: not in boding circles. He was a celebrity to law enforcement. 174 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 1: Police across California knew about this guy. And as soon 175 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 1: as his boat made the news is what is his 176 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:22,079 Speaker 1: elegant capsizing boat? That's law enforcement contacted reporters and gave 177 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 1: them the hitherto unknown full details of Broman's life story. 178 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 1: And this is where it gets stranger and stranger. We 179 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: mentioned that earlier ap wire headline, which is which is beautiful? 180 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 1: A Russian finn. He is a funny kind of finny cuss. Oh, 181 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: a finny cuss, A finny cuss. But there is a 182 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 1: method in his cussedness, for with all his evil doings, 183 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: he always comes out on top. 184 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 2: Uh huh. So this is where we learn about Gustav 185 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:57,680 Speaker 2: Broman and his rap sheet that was like a mile long. 186 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, okay, so you want to through some 187 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 1: of these examples. 188 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 2: Boy, howdie do? I Yeah? A funny kind of finny cuss. Indeed, 189 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 2: so apparently he was known all over California for running 190 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 2: a series of varying degrees of bonkers scams. And now 191 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 2: I'm laughing, but like one of them, particular is really 192 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 2: cold blooded, right, Ben. 193 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 1: Yes, one is definitely not. Look, we are often tempted 194 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:33,680 Speaker 1: to paint hilarious cartoonish con artist as what they are, 195 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 1: you know, buffoons, but we have to remember that a 196 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 1: lot of these people are cold blooded, right, So this 197 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: is a reptilian thing. Gustav Broman makes his law enforcement 198 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:48,839 Speaker 1: debut in San Pedro, Los Angeles County. He is arrested 199 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:52,079 Speaker 1: for or he had a hotel keeper arrested for robbing 200 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 1: him aboute hundred dollars, but then later in court it 201 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 1: was proved there was nothing more than a blackmailing scheme 202 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 1: that Broman had come up with to try to extort 203 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:06,319 Speaker 1: money from the hotel. He ended up getting caught essentially 204 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 1: sleeping around with several women and citizens when they found 205 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 1: out about his deceptive nature, literally tarred and feathered him 206 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 1: and drove him out of town. 207 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 2: Wait, people really did that? Yeah, people did that. That's amazing. 208 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 2: So not only was he a cuss, he was also 209 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 2: a lech. Yes, he was both a cuss and a leech. 210 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:29,559 Speaker 2: A lecherous cuss, a lecherous cuss or a cussed letch. Right, 211 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 2: I like that a lot, Ben cussrois letch sure, No, 212 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 2: we're just churchifying words at this point. But I like cussorists. 213 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 2: It's like a filthy susceress, rightactly. So this this, although 214 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 2: it may sound endearing because there's that instant karma that 215 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:48,959 Speaker 2: hits him, this doesn't really illustrate the true nature of 216 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:53,959 Speaker 2: this guy's behavior. The real reptilian stuff occurs in Santa Cruz, 217 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 2: where he and his brother lived in what was described 218 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 2: as a shamp. Yeah, and there's some outdated language in 219 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 2: this one. The ap refers to his brother as an imbecil, 220 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 2: which today would obviously be considered a pretty nasty pejorative. 221 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:12,479 Speaker 2: At the time was like it was actually a medical diagnosis. 222 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 2: I believe, right, it is correct for somebody with developmental disabilities. 223 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 2: That a fair way of saying it been. 224 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:22,559 Speaker 1: That's a very fair way of putting it comes from 225 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: the Latin word imbecillis meaning weak or weak minded, and 226 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 1: at the time it included people at in IQ between 227 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 1: twenty six and fifty according to the testing methods they used. 228 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 2: It's right, and I believe there was even a time 229 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 2: where people that were categorized as that were sterilized. There 230 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 2: was forced sterilization of folks that were classified as being 231 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 2: of lower IQ. It was a whole thing. 232 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, And if you have the morbid interest in this, 233 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: we can break it down for you. At the time 234 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 1: when people use this sort of terminology as a description 235 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 1: of cognitive ability as they saw it, imbecile was in 236 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 1: between idiot and moron. So an idiot was NIQ of 237 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 1: zero to twenty five, imbecile twenty six to fifty, and 238 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 1: moron was fifty one to seventy. So these were these 239 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:13,320 Speaker 1: pejoratives have very specific meanings. 240 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. And again they were more or less 241 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 2: like DSM level diagnoses or you know terms anyway, So 242 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 2: Gustav's brother was in that was that in the middle 243 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 2: category of what you discussion yep, yep, yeah. So he 244 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 2: was certainly not someone that could fully take care of himself, 245 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 2: and his brother really took advantage of that in the 246 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 2: most ungodly awful way you could possibly imagine. 247 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 1: Yes, he committed he quite possibly you had to say 248 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: that he quite possibly committed fratricide. He took out two 249 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 1: insurance policies on his brother's life, one four five thousand 250 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 1: dollars and the other for three thousand dollars. And let's 251 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: let's go to a handy inflation calculator here, just to 252 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: see how much money that actually was. All right, casey, 253 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 1: if we could have that handy dandy inflation calculator, sound 254 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 1: cue please, so people know it's working and we're not 255 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 1: just making this up. 256 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 2: Perfect. 257 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 1: Three thousand dollars in the eighteen nineties would equal a 258 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 1: little bit more than eighty six thousand dollars, and five 259 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 1: thousand dollars would equal around one hundred and forty three 260 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 1: thousand dollars, almost one hundred and forty four thousand, So 261 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 1: these were significant amounts of money. And took these two 262 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 1: insurance policies out on his brother's life. And then what 263 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 1: happened not a month later, Yeah. 264 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 2: The shanty burned to the ground with the brother inside, 265 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 2: and he was also burned to the ground. The insurance 266 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 2: companies say this is sketchy. Yeah, of course it was. 267 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 2: It's never it's always a red flag when you take 268 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 2: out an insurance policy on someone then a month later 269 00:15:56,960 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 2: they die in a tragic accident. That's that's not a 270 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 2: good look. 271 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 1: For test of And so the insurance companies say, we're 272 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 1: not going to pay this is ridiculous. The cops arrest 273 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 1: Broman and he is charged with arson and murder, and 274 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 1: it does go to trial. 275 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's a woman at the trial who really 276 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 2: reads in the Riot Act and gives a very strongly 277 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 2: worded testimony against him. But he received a new trial, 278 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 2: and she kind of changed her tune a little bit, 279 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 2: almost as though she were coerced or arm twisted in 280 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 2: some way. Ben, that is that what you're thinking of? 281 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 2: Or turned you know, you can flip does what they 282 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 2: call it? Him the mob? Right right? 283 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 1: Nobody ever went broke betting on other people's moral failings, 284 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So he was discharged, he 285 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 1: got the insurance money, and then afterwards they learned that 286 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 1: the woman changed her testimony because he promised to give 287 00:16:56,760 --> 00:17:00,120 Speaker 1: her a large a large lumpus scratch. 288 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, a big. 289 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:05,639 Speaker 1: Guy if she would not testify against him on that 290 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 1: that second go round. And then he I guess maybe 291 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 1: he cleaned up his act a little bit nol because 292 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 1: he moved to San Francisco and decided he was. 293 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:21,159 Speaker 2: Going to be a decent man. Well he was a 294 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 2: he was a wealthy man at this point, right. He 295 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:26,120 Speaker 2: got those uh, those insurance payouts. That's true, I mean, 296 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 2: I don't know. It wasn't It wasn't like a millionaire money, 297 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 2: but enough to start a new life and in a 298 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:37,120 Speaker 2: new town, sure at that time. Yeah, so you met 299 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 2: a nice lady. You met a nice, nice woman. 300 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 1: She was named you will hear, alternately described as Missus 301 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 1: Lee Roy or simply Missus Roy. She was both a 302 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 1: widow and wealthy. 303 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:54,119 Speaker 2: Ah, the old married the wealthy widow scamed on to 304 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 2: that one. 305 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 1: W W, which is the origin of the I R 306 00:17:57,920 --> 00:17:59,360 Speaker 1: S tax form, the W two. 307 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, is that true? Probably? Maybe? Okay, Okay, I'm going 308 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 2: to choose to believe that because that's what I do. 309 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 2: So what happened, What happened, Well, what happened was he 310 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 2: he put a ring on it on Missus Leroy a 311 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 2: quite a a big old rock, a very valuable diamond ring. 312 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:24,440 Speaker 1: So things look to be, you know, optimistic, trending toward 313 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 1: perhaps a happy ending. If we want to believe in 314 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 1: the inherent goodness of all people. 315 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 2: You mean, the idea that people change, that people can 316 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:33,719 Speaker 2: change for the better. What is it you always say, ben, 317 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:34,680 Speaker 2: people don't really change. 318 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 1: That He's become more people. We say, people change, And 319 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:39,639 Speaker 1: that's true, But it's a misnomer. As time goes on, 320 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:41,719 Speaker 1: we've become more concentrated versions of ourselves. 321 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like it was happening with our boy, 322 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:45,120 Speaker 2: our boy Broman here. 323 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 1: Possibly the police did not believe that he had turned 324 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 1: over a new leaf. They had heard that Broman was 325 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 1: back in town. 326 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 2: They're like, we got our eye on you, Broman, because 327 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 2: this is the time, this is the time in American 328 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:01,400 Speaker 2: history where you could actually. 329 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 1: Have someone go into a town and then one of 330 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:06,680 Speaker 1: the towns people say, you got a lot of nerves 331 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:09,360 Speaker 1: showing your face around here, you know what I mean. 332 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 1: I don't know if that still happens in the US anymore. 333 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 2: That's probably where the expression get right out of town 334 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 2: came from. We should bring that back. That's good. I 335 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:20,199 Speaker 2: like to use it from time to time. You know what, 336 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 2: I think it fits. I think it's really well no, 337 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:24,680 Speaker 2: but I only use it in anger when I want 338 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 2: someone to literally leave town forever. But I say it 339 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 2: in kind of a funny way. So they are, they're 340 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:32,880 Speaker 2: typically confused. They're probably getting mixed message. I get right 341 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 2: out of town and then they go and I'm like, no, go, 342 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:37,360 Speaker 2: I don't want you here. 343 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 1: Well, I hope you don't have too many of those situations. Man, 344 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:44,399 Speaker 1: it sounds like real, real weird Larry David moment. 345 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 2: Ben, I am flush with enemies, sir. 346 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:50,919 Speaker 1: Flushed with enemies, Well then you might have something in 347 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 1: common with Broman. I hope none of your enemies or 348 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:56,879 Speaker 1: in law enforcement, they they say, you know, we know 349 00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 1: what you're doing. You have a lot of noise coming 350 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: back here, and we don't have anything on you yet, 351 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 1: but we know how you operate, Gustav, so we strongly 352 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 1: advise you to leave the state. 353 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:12,679 Speaker 2: Don't make this ugly. Yeah, you're right, Ben, he was 354 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 2: definitely flushed with enemies. It looks almost as though he 355 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 2: never met a man or woman that he didn't turn 356 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:23,120 Speaker 2: into an enemy. As it turns out, the woman from 357 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:27,400 Speaker 2: Santa Cruz, who herself not a particularly law abiding citizen, 358 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:31,479 Speaker 2: she flouted the law, flipped her testimony in exchange for 359 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 2: ill gotten blood money, you know, from the cold blooded 360 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:39,919 Speaker 2: burning alive of a person with a developmental disability. She 361 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 2: was going to take that money and run with it. 362 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 2: But hey, surprise, surprise, she got her instant karma too, 363 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 2: and he didn't pay. Could have told her that was coming. 364 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 2: Not exactly a shamal uh huh. So she came a 365 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:55,920 Speaker 2: gun in for him, didn't she bet? And he knew 366 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 2: a knife, and he knew that the cops were on 367 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 2: the way. This angry person from Sara Cruz was threatening 368 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 2: to kill him, and if she really wanted to burn 369 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 2: down the house, she could also take him to jail 370 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 2: for witness tampering, knowing that she would get charged with perjury. 371 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:17,880 Speaker 2: So he took the famous advice that so many sketchy 372 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:21,479 Speaker 2: people have received were given to one another throughout the years, 373 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 2: and he high tailed it from Mexico. He went south 374 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 2: of the border. He went down south to get out 375 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 2: of the heat, you know what I mean, wait for 376 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:32,360 Speaker 2: it to die down totally. And there he would remain 377 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 2: ben for a year's time. I don't know, I don't 378 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:37,159 Speaker 2: know why I'm talking late. I think it's from the 379 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 2: AP report that we read in the old timy language. 380 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 2: I'm just kind of like lapsing into that little bit. 381 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 2: And yeah, year's time, and there he took his constitutional indeed, 382 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 2: well the better part of four seasons, yes time. And 383 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 2: as the seasons passed and the heat dissipated, so broman 384 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:58,439 Speaker 2: sallied forth yet again for these States United, mopping his 385 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 2: brow against them heat of the Mexican son. Yes, yes, 386 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,640 Speaker 2: And so he returned to California. He was next heard 387 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:11,640 Speaker 2: of in Sacramento, Sacramento, which is the state capital of California. 388 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:12,919 Speaker 2: There we go, nailed it. 389 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:16,400 Speaker 1: Huh uh, Casey, can we get a correct answer game show? 390 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:20,880 Speaker 2: That's perfect? How about can I get a little round 391 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:22,919 Speaker 2: of applause to a little pat on the back? Sound it? Now? 392 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 2: It's fine. Any of that stuff if you want it, thanks, Casey. 393 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 1: So Broman has returned and he's been living in Sacramento. 394 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 1: He had been visiting the house of a woman whose 395 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 1: last name was Brown, and he went to the chief 396 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: of police with a story, and he said, look, I 397 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 1: know we have a history, but I am coming to 398 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 1: you as a victim. 399 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 2: Chief. I've been robbed. I've been robbed of eight grand 400 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 2: You gotta help me eight dodge? Yeah, A big ones 401 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 2: and big ones. What's some other colloquialisms for one thousand 402 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,440 Speaker 2: dollars eight? Uh oh? 403 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 1: And some writing It would be a my l but 404 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,120 Speaker 1: it doesn't make sense spoken fair Yeah. 405 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:09,640 Speaker 2: Uh, we could make them up. Simolinas there you go. Yeah, 406 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 2: isn't simolina the stuff that's in pasta. Yeah, it's also 407 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,400 Speaker 2: Simolino flower. Yeah, that's why. That's that's what it is. Yeah, 408 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 2: the flower, that's that that makes the pasta. Let's so 409 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 2: we should keep going. Oh, I'm I have a question 410 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 2: for you. Yes, what's the point of different pasta shapes? Oh? 411 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 1: Some of them hold sauces better in different ways, because 412 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 1: it's really it's like surface area. I've always been wondering that. 413 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 1: Thank you, man, that's what I that's what I heard. 414 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 1: I'm also just making this up, and I want to 415 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 1: come clean with everybody. I don't know if W two 416 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 1: stands for wealthy widow. Write to your local I R 417 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 1: S agent and ask them. Yeah, they'll they'll, they'll be 418 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 1: they'll get right back to you. 419 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:45,120 Speaker 2: I'm sure. 420 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,119 Speaker 1: Tell them, we tell them. Tell them it's a matter 421 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 1: of national security. Man, we're really we're really dog paddling 422 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 1: on this one. Well wait, we got that Broman. Broman though, 423 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 1: this is an interesting turn, right, he goes to the cops, 424 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 1: have all people what why would he do that? Because 425 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,439 Speaker 1: he said he got robbed of eight Semolino's. 426 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 2: Large But this man's on the BOLO list at every 427 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:11,160 Speaker 2: sheriff's office from Tijuana to San Luis Obisbo. 428 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:16,919 Speaker 1: It's speaking of like different times, not only to do 429 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,199 Speaker 1: the officers agreed to investigate this house with him, but 430 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:23,639 Speaker 1: they let him come along as they execute the search warrant. 431 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 2: That's not done. That's not normal. No, I couldn't do that. 432 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,439 Speaker 2: I don't think they would do that. It was a 433 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 2: different time. It was a different time. So what happens 434 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 2: when they go in there, Well, the detectives, search, detectives, officers, 435 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,160 Speaker 2: whatever you want to call him. They searched the premises 436 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 2: and they found twenty bucks in gold. It's kind of 437 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:47,640 Speaker 2: a lot if you do the inflation thing. What's that about? 438 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,679 Speaker 2: Two hundred bucks? I don't know. I'm just underspitball in 439 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 2: it here. You want to do it for real? Oh yeah, 440 00:24:52,560 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 2: let's do it for real. Wh'm not so twenty dollars. 441 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:04,440 Speaker 1: In again around the eighteen nineties would be five hundred 442 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 1: and seventy five dollars six cents. 443 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 2: Okay, so you know, a decent little haul. And he 444 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 2: Browman told them that he this was something he did. 445 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,400 Speaker 2: He's like, he's like the crazy old lady that keeps 446 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 2: all our money in a mattress, only he keeps his 447 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:24,920 Speaker 2: under the carpet or hidden beneath the floorboards because of experience. Right, well, 448 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 2: he'd been robbed. I wonder why, he said, Oh see, 449 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 2: you believe me now, I got robbed once before, and 450 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 2: since then, I always mock my coin, meaning what like 451 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,200 Speaker 2: like he writes his name on it, like he maybe 452 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,400 Speaker 2: puts a specific scratch on it so you can see. 453 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 2: I got dipsies that those are mine. I hate touching 454 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:49,919 Speaker 2: change so much. I neative it. Would you consider a 455 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 2: gold piece change though? I would probably have to just 456 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 2: suck it up and touch it, like put it in 457 00:25:55,840 --> 00:26:01,119 Speaker 2: your mouth. Yeah, no, I'm sorry, Sorry, sorry, I've triggered you. Well. 458 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,440 Speaker 1: No, he told the officer to look behind a mirror, 459 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 1: and then the officer found it diamond ring. The police said, okaya, 460 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 1: did he have to tell. 461 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 2: The officers this is definitely my coin because this is 462 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 2: what the marketing looks like. Yes, yeah, he did that. Okay, 463 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,160 Speaker 2: I'm with you now, I'm back. I'm back in it. 464 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,879 Speaker 1: Because that proved he was associated right totally. But the 465 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: police for some reason still did not believe he was 466 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,199 Speaker 1: on the up and up, and they said, you know what, 467 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 1: I think he's I don't know what he's getting up 468 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 1: to But he's up to something by gum. 469 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 2: I mean, did he really think he was gonna like 470 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:40,200 Speaker 2: bamboozle some actual police officers to help him rob somebody's house. 471 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 2: Doesn't that seem kind of seem like what's going on here? 472 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:46,200 Speaker 2: So he's a real bold fellow, this Gustav Broman. 473 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,919 Speaker 1: So an officer came from Sacramento to obtain his record 474 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 1: at the request of at the request of the police. 475 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 1: And remember missus Lee Roy or Missus Roy the lado 476 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 1: on Vallejos Street. She gets subpoened. 477 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 2: She didn't ask for any of this. Ben's not She's 478 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 2: just a wealthy widow caught in this man's crossfire. You know, 479 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,120 Speaker 2: it's not right. It's not right. 480 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 1: So it turns out Broman had the widow arrested for 481 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:15,920 Speaker 1: stealing the diamond ring that. 482 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:19,719 Speaker 2: He gave her. I'm sorry, all class, just adding insult 483 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 2: to injury with what a D what a giant D. 484 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, And the judge was like, lady, you know this 485 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 1: is these this is tough, This is tough all around you. 486 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 1: Schev Broman arrested for perjury. So you know, she swore 487 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 1: out a warrant, but apparently it was never solved and 488 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 1: the case in Sacramento was dismissed. 489 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 2: Back to the top of the story. Yes, I'm a 490 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,639 Speaker 2: little confused about what he had to gain from this 491 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 2: whole log jammin situation. Ah, there's an answer. Oh good, 492 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,639 Speaker 2: there's an answer. Okay. So I was confused too, because 493 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 2: it was like. 494 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 1: I don't quite His schemes seemed to become more and 495 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 1: more ridiculous, you know, increasingly circuitous. 496 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:12,200 Speaker 2: I always mock my coin, mock my coin. I pee 497 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 2: on all of them. 498 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:19,480 Speaker 1: Right, it's a it's very strange. It's like Tommy in 499 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:23,359 Speaker 1: the Spoons, you know. But here is the theory. The 500 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:27,359 Speaker 1: theory comes from a guy named Detective Anthony, who was 501 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:33,679 Speaker 1: one of the many law enforcement officials familiar with Broman's escapades. 502 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 1: This detective believes that Broman had purposely made a terribly, 503 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 1: terribly substandard boat because he wanted it to look like 504 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 1: the kind of thing that would easily sink, because he 505 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 1: was planning on the boat to be found bottom up 506 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 1: in some beach, and he was going to essentially commit 507 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 1: pseudo side, our favorite the word for faking one's death. 508 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 1: Detective Anthony specifically says Broman will probably have his life 509 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 1: insured for a big sum, and after the boat has found, 510 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 1: a confederate will apply for the insurance money and he 511 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 1: and Broman will share it. That is my belief from 512 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 1: my knowledge of this man. 513 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:23,480 Speaker 2: Question. Sorry, I keep asking on this important. Why do 514 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 2: this so conspicuously? Why make a big show of it 515 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 2: so a bunch of witnesses that makes no sense, witnesses 516 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 2: to his sad demise. Yes, okay, I guess that makes 517 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 2: a lot. 518 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 1: It's like, oh, four thousand people really did see him 519 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 1: do it, And now now we see why he was 520 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 1: going to sail down the coast to San Francisco first, 521 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 1: and it made up this cocka made me story about 522 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 1: what he was going to do by turning his boat 523 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 1: into a railcar. 524 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:52,239 Speaker 2: He had to be no intention of doing that. 525 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 1: Now he wanted somewhere between Marshfield and San Francisco for 526 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 1: his boat. He won to disappear and of his boat 527 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 1: wash up on a remote area. 528 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 2: You got to give this guy at least a little 529 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 2: bit of credit for his massive massive that's true. See, 530 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 2: that's so massive. That's probably what kept capsizing the boat 531 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:23,479 Speaker 2: quite possibly, quite possibly. So how does Detective Anthony's theory 532 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 2: measure up up? It measures. It measures what happened. What happened? 533 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he had a fifteen thousand dollars in life 534 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 2: insurance policy that he took out on himself from the 535 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 2: United States Accident Insurance Association. Upon discovering this whole scheme, 536 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 2: promptly canceled his policy. Probably good business move to do that. 537 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 2: Surely this guy's reputation for insurance fraud or at least 538 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,960 Speaker 2: his like. Because here's the thing, even when you get 539 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 2: paid out for insurance policies, doesn't that make it harder 540 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 2: to get insured again? I guess he insured his brother 541 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:02,720 Speaker 2: before though, But what a series of red flags? You think? 542 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 1: Well, that's the tough thing. There's a great book called 543 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 1: Playing Dead which details the ways in which people can 544 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 1: attempt to fake their deaths. And the thing that gets 545 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 1: most people caught is when they attempt to receive some 546 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,640 Speaker 1: kind of money from an insurance agency or a will. 547 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 1: Because to do that you have to have someone you 548 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 1: can trust who is able to collect for you, and 549 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 1: they don't really have any compelling reason to hold up 550 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 1: their side of the bargain. 551 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:36,920 Speaker 2: You know what I mean? I do. 552 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 1: It's also very very difficult to fake your death, just 553 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,280 Speaker 1: in case you're wondering, what can I, in this modern 554 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 1: age do to make my life more interesting? Don't don't 555 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 1: try to fake your death so that maybe in lieu 556 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 1: of a comic book recommendation, we could just do a 557 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:56,480 Speaker 1: book recommendation. Yeah, you read books playing Dead. I read 558 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 1: A Plane Dead, A Journey through the World of Death 559 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 1: Fraud by Elizabeth Greenwood. 560 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:04,160 Speaker 2: Weren't we gonna maybe have an opportunity to interview miss Greenwood? 561 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,239 Speaker 2: We did. We did stuff that I want you to know. 562 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,520 Speaker 2: Uh huh, yeah, it never quite happened. It was that 563 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 2: that was our fault. I think I think we were 564 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 2: the ones who dropped the ball. And now it's like 565 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,280 Speaker 2: sort of like forgetting someone's name and then knowing them 566 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 2: for years and then having to file it's too late. 567 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 2: You can't ask them any and we. 568 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 1: Can follow I can follow up with the email thread 569 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 1: from twenty sixteen. 570 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 2: I have an idea, what's your idea, Let's do it 571 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 2: for this show, and then it'll be like a fresh start. 572 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 2: There we go, and let's pretend to be different people 573 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,560 Speaker 2: about that. What's your what's your alter ego of choice lately? 574 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 2: Ah man, I'm not going to say it on ex 575 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:35,760 Speaker 2: Powers astronaut with a secrets. Oh that's a go to. Yeah, 576 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 2: Max Powers astronaut with a secret. Mine is Neil Braun, 577 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 2: Neil bra Neil Braun. There we go. I'm a I'm 578 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 2: a German attache. Nice, I like it, or maybe I'll 579 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 2: be Swedish nice. Nice. 580 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 1: Well, Doug, I have been using the alias Casey Pegram 581 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 1: for quite some time, and I'm sorry about that. Casey, 582 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,680 Speaker 1: I did have to stop. I don't know which one 583 00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 1: of us it was, but the heat got pretty bad 584 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,960 Speaker 1: at jfk Oh boy, Yeah. 585 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 4: You've sullied my good name. 586 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 1: I think you sullied my fantastic alias Casey. Or maybe 587 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 1: there's a third Casey Pegrim out there. 588 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 4: There is, I've seen him on Google. 589 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 2: What Yeah, oh that's the one. 590 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 1: Then I was just having fun at a at Applebee's. 591 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,520 Speaker 2: You like apple Bee's too, Yeah? You, I'll go to 592 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:27,240 Speaker 2: an apple Bee's. What's their signature appetizer? Chicken crispers chicken? Yeah, 593 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,720 Speaker 2: some kind of chicken thing. We have to ask full 594 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 2: Deck in about all mission control. Deck is a huge 595 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 2: fan of the apple Bee's because apparently, when you're there 596 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:36,920 Speaker 2: your family, No, that's Olive Gard. 597 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,960 Speaker 4: What are you at Applebee's. It's your friendly neighborhood grill. 598 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 2: There you go, there you go. 599 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 4: And by the way, I love the Montrella sticks. 600 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 2: Monzarella sticks are usually you can't really mess up monzerella sticks. 601 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 2: I've seen it happens, it can. 602 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,880 Speaker 4: Happen, they've but they do a good job of it. 603 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:51,520 Speaker 4: Over at the Bees. 604 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 2: You like there at the Bees. So what you're saying 605 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 2: is they have a nice crispy exterior and a nice soft, 606 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,640 Speaker 2: gouey into and they're not so hot they burned the 607 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:03,959 Speaker 2: roof of your mouth, and they're evenly cooked. And are 608 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 2: they are seasoned? 609 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, all the above. 610 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,759 Speaker 2: Okay, so one time this this has nothing to do 611 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 2: with the story of We're done right, We're basically we're 612 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:13,600 Speaker 2: just kind of world now. We're just talking about talking 613 00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:17,440 Speaker 2: about or other chain restaurants. We're bringing some other restaurants. 614 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 1: Well, I was this thing about Applebee's for a long time. 615 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,279 Speaker 1: I thought Paul was just pretending to like it, but 616 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 1: he's serious. We were on a video shoot one day 617 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,040 Speaker 1: and Casey, were you with that one? 618 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:29,719 Speaker 4: Absolutely? 619 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:30,600 Speaker 2: I was. Yeah. 620 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:32,879 Speaker 1: So we were on a video shoot one day years back, 621 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,760 Speaker 1: and I think I was I was field producing or something. 622 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,719 Speaker 1: I say, okay, well we've we've wrapped this up. This 623 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,960 Speaker 1: is a great shoot. Time, it's time to grab lunch. 624 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:47,200 Speaker 1: And we jokingly suggested to Paul that there was an 625 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 1: Applebee's nearby. He lost his mind and he had this 626 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:55,760 Speaker 1: this shining, almost noble, childlike glee. 627 00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,799 Speaker 2: I looked at it more as the the look of 628 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 2: a madman. It's very similar. Yeah, kind of eyes glazed over, weird. 629 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:07,560 Speaker 1: Rick to smile and we went and I think his 630 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,960 Speaker 1: his joy, his jubilation was contagious. So if you ever 631 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,320 Speaker 1: want to make Paul deck and stay or apparently Casey pegram's, 632 00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:19,400 Speaker 1: then just uh, send us some send us some Applebee's tickets. 633 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:20,439 Speaker 2: Is that the right word. 634 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:21,839 Speaker 4: Gift cards or something? 635 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 2: Gift cards? You can buy those at your friendly neighborhood Kroger, CBS. 636 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,280 Speaker 1: Even Yeah, or you could just leave us a review 637 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 1: on your podcast app of choice. 638 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, please do, and don't don't don't be too harsh 639 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,640 Speaker 2: on us for this little rambling tangent of an ending 640 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:37,200 Speaker 2: the episode. We don't do it that often. I don't 641 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,080 Speaker 2: think we're having a good time. We're at the very 642 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,040 Speaker 2: end of the year and the end of our ropes, 643 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,040 Speaker 2: and there are so many There are so many casual 644 00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,160 Speaker 2: dining restaurants that we didn't get to mention. What about 645 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,719 Speaker 2: bob Evans. Was that the one that's uh, that's like 646 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,640 Speaker 2: only in like Pennsylvania, maybe Canada to rest and stuff. Yeah, 647 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 2: their slogan is everybody is somebody at bob Evans. Oh 648 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:03,439 Speaker 2: that's you know, the sinister It's also very like, yeah, 649 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:08,640 Speaker 2: we're all we're all people. We're all here at bob Evans. 650 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,880 Speaker 2: Have some pancakes so existential. Yeah we are. We are 651 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,600 Speaker 2: punchy as can be today. I love it. The universe 652 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:19,840 Speaker 2: is chaotic and meaningless at bob Evans. Bob Evans, Ben, 653 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:22,360 Speaker 2: we got to get out of here. Get but you 654 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,920 Speaker 2: know what this is the No, it's not true. We're 655 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,680 Speaker 2: in record. No, it's true. Yeah, this is the third 656 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:28,200 Speaker 2: This is. 657 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:29,920 Speaker 4: The Christmas episode. If you want to plug that. 658 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:35,320 Speaker 2: Oh oh, Casey says it's Christmas. Oh yeah. Very popular holidays, 659 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:40,480 Speaker 2: very popular holiday, uh, you know, celebrated by the religious 660 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,480 Speaker 2: and the secular alike, especially in the US, especially in 661 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:48,200 Speaker 2: the US. So happy holidays, Merry Christmas, whatever you want 662 00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,680 Speaker 2: to call it. To you and yours, hope you are 663 00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:52,400 Speaker 2: having a wonderful time. 664 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:56,759 Speaker 1: On one more orbit round the sun, and as you 665 00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:00,120 Speaker 1: look back on twenty eighteen, we hope you find it 666 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:04,959 Speaker 1: more full of fond memories than unpleasant ones. We hope 667 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,239 Speaker 1: that you, regardless of your personal beliefs, get some get 668 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,640 Speaker 1: some quality time in with your family. If you have 669 00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,400 Speaker 1: that favorite movie watch, or you have that favorite board 670 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,600 Speaker 1: game or that family tradition, get together and play it. Yeah, 671 00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:21,640 Speaker 1: Happy holidays, all the best from all of us. 672 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,719 Speaker 2: To all of you. Should old acquaintance be forgot on 673 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:30,440 Speaker 2: days of old Lengthston lengths lengths sign Gustaff Broman. 674 00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:35,279 Speaker 1: There you go, oh oh oh, before we go this 675 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,799 Speaker 1: is we had to actually travel back in time. 676 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,719 Speaker 2: We actually never even explained what the milkshake Duck was. 677 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,120 Speaker 1: Right to make this correction because uh, and that was 678 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,399 Speaker 1: I had explicitly promised that it was. 679 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:48,760 Speaker 2: The first sentence of the show. 680 00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,440 Speaker 1: So to explain what a milkshake Duck is, we have 681 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,120 Speaker 1: to give a shout out to a Twitter feed called 682 00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:59,759 Speaker 1: a very pixelated boat Christmas and this No, Noel, you 683 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:01,400 Speaker 1: said you had never heard of this before. 684 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:02,879 Speaker 2: Now I only heard of it like the other day. 685 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,040 Speaker 2: Super producer Casey Pegrim turned me onto it. 686 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,400 Speaker 1: And I think you know what casey, if you're okay 687 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,839 Speaker 1: with it, could you read the tweet that gave us 688 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:12,120 Speaker 1: the phrase milkshake duck. 689 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:12,640 Speaker 4: Yeah. 690 00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:16,120 Speaker 5: So this is a tweet originally tweeted out June twelfth, 691 00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,600 Speaker 5: of twenty sixteen, and it has already kind of entered 692 00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,319 Speaker 5: the Internet lexicon as like shorthand for this phenomenon. So 693 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:26,320 Speaker 5: it says, the whole Internet loves milkshake duck, a lovely 694 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:30,400 Speaker 5: duck that drinks milkshakes. Five seconds later, we regret to 695 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:31,960 Speaker 5: inform you the duck is racist. 696 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:32,719 Speaker 2: Ah Man. 697 00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,800 Speaker 1: So Gustav Brohman in that case, in this sense, is 698 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:42,239 Speaker 1: a milk shaped duck, because he was, for a very 699 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,520 Speaker 1: brief time, this American hero. 700 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:56,360 Speaker 2: For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 701 00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,600 Speaker 2: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.