1 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Thursday, October twenty third, and 2 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:11,880 Speaker 1: we just spent forty five minutes repeatedly screaming at the 3 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 1: TV say what now, because we just watched a press 4 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: conference in which they announced historic indictments involving the mob money, 5 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: illegal gambling, current and former NBA players, and one current 6 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:34,160 Speaker 1: head coach in the NBA. And with that, folks, welcome 7 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 1: to this episode of Amy and TJ. We got a 8 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:39,160 Speaker 1: breaking news alert that something was coming. It was before 9 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 1: the press conference. Then the press conference started, and we said, 10 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:44,200 Speaker 1: holy hell, is this for real? 11 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 2: Well, full disclosure here. You read the initial headline about 12 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 2: NBA players and gambling, and I kind of glazed over 13 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 2: and I just was wow, I guess that's a story. 14 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 2: Didn't seem like anything that I would be interested in 15 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 2: until the press conference started, and then it was as 16 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 2: if I was watching a Hollywood movie, which I know 17 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 2: everyone is saying, but truly, there's no other way to 18 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 2: describe the information that came out, the people who were involved, 19 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 2: and the amount of law enforcement intra agencies all standing 20 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:23,960 Speaker 2: collectively together to announce this truly shocking, historic I don't 21 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:27,039 Speaker 2: want to say arrest arrests, what thirty plus thirty four 22 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 2: was the last count I heard, but they said and 23 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 2: counting potentially. 24 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: Yes, folks, So we are talking about them now breaking 25 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 1: up a year's long scheme in which gambling is involved 26 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 1: and essentially bilking players out of what they say are 27 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 1: millions and millions of dollars. So what we're talking about here, yes, 28 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 1: Cash Bettel, You had the New York Police Department commissioner 29 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: as a part of this. US attorneys involved. There were 30 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 1: so many agencies standing up there to make the announcement 31 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 1: of two cases in which wirefraud, money laundering, extortion, robbery, 32 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: illegal gambling among some of the charges. They say this 33 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:09,799 Speaker 1: happened in nine states in the early morning hours with 34 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 1: the coordination of all of these hundreds of agents, and 35 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: they went and arrested thirty plus defendants, and among them 36 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 1: an NBA Hall of Famer and current NBA coach Chauncey Billups, 37 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 1: current coach of the Portland Trailblazers, former players involved, and 38 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:29,119 Speaker 1: one current member of the Miami Heat and Ropes. These 39 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 1: look this is all kind of loosely connected, but also 40 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 1: not really. But they announced essentially two major cases today, 41 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: two major operations, two different indictments, and. 42 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 2: Yet they were. It was interesting how connected they were. 43 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 2: But yes, two separate cases. One was called Operation Nothing 44 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 2: but Bet. How do you like that playing off of 45 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 2: nothing but Net? 46 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 1: You like it? Fine? 47 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 2: It's for FBI agents. I guess that's a good one. 48 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 2: But that was the operation on illegal betting on NBA 49 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 2: games using insider information. Notably, I'm still learning some of 50 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 2: the lingo here, but this is actually called prop betting. 51 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 1: Yes, you are familiar with it from Super Bowl, probably 52 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: the only time you start thinking about prop bets. What 53 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: we're talking about is not just betting on who wins 54 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 1: or who loses the game, but all the side bets. Right, 55 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 1: how long is the national anthem? That's a prop bet 56 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 1: at the Super Bowl? How many yards will this player, 57 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 1: the quarterback put up? 58 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 2: Or how many points will a player score? 59 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 1: So people love betting prop bets because you essentially say, 60 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: all right, the prop is twenty, he's going to score twenty. 61 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: I'll take the under or I'll take the over. So yeah, 62 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 1: it's a fun, kind of an easy way to do 63 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 1: your gambling without necessarily being hardcore. And this is prime 64 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: for cheating because if you can get somebody a player 65 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: to you know fake and injury should do a little 66 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: something funny. 67 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 2: You should mention that because that is the allegation and 68 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 2: the charge against current Miami Heat guard Terry Rosier. He 69 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 2: was arrested this morning in Orlando, I believe where he 70 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 2: had been playing. 71 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 1: Correct, Well, he had a game last night. He dressed 72 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 1: but did not play. Coach's decision. They say, so who 73 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: knows that they saw something like this coming. Do you 74 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: like the other name of the other operation better? Yeah? 75 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 2: The other operation is called Operation Royal Flush. And this 76 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 2: was about an underground rigged I mean when you hear 77 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 2: about how they rigged this game, or how authorities say 78 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 2: they rigged this game, it is jaw dropping. But apparently 79 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 2: there were members of the mob rigging illegal poker games, 80 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 2: and so they were operated by LaCOSA Nostra our things 81 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 2: Sicilian mafia here in America. Four of the five families 82 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 2: are implicated in this, but notably so is Hall of 83 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 2: Famer as you mentioned, and current coach called mister big 84 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:56,600 Speaker 2: Shot Chauncey Phillips. 85 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: Has a long and storied history, but he is a 86 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 1: Hall of Famer. Just went to the Hall of Fame 87 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:05,039 Speaker 1: last year. Actually, the folks arrested here you mentioned the 88 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:07,720 Speaker 1: crime families. I think it came maybe a surprise to 89 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:10,160 Speaker 1: some people that these folks are still up and running, right. 90 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 2: I thought these were families of legend past and not 91 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 2: currently operating and flourishing, so to speak. It seems like 92 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 2: something that you again just watching a movie or reading 93 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 2: a crime novel, but not something that's currently going on. 94 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 2: But yeah, when they start naming family names like Gambino, Lukesi, 95 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 2: genovesei Banano, all of those names, those family names, those 96 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 2: Italian names connected to the mafia are all should be 97 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:38,559 Speaker 2: pretty familiar to most people. 98 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: Gambino was probably the most famous out there, given I mean, 99 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 1: John Gotty was the head of that family for a 100 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: while with just I mean, that's a classic, historic, storied family. 101 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:51,600 Speaker 1: And to think that they are still in ball. So yes, 102 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:55,839 Speaker 1: folks were talking about those mob families are alleged to 103 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 1: have been in bed with some current and former NBA 104 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 1: players in the current coach to build folks out of 105 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: possibly millions of dollars. So all of this happened in 106 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:07,040 Speaker 1: the early morning hours these arrests. They were able to 107 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: keep this quiet, which is fairly impressive given that they 108 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 1: have hundreds of agents and agencies, several agencies involved. So 109 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:17,840 Speaker 1: Chelncey Billups, you didn't know the name initially, I don't think. 110 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:19,480 Speaker 1: I don't know if you would know the face when 111 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 1: you first saw it. But we can't really overstate how 112 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 1: big of a deal and big of a career he 113 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:27,599 Speaker 1: has had in the NBA. 114 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:30,839 Speaker 2: You'd be able to obviously give that perspective that I 115 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 2: could not. But I know that he's the current coach 116 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 2: of the Portland Trailblazers. But when I started reading about 117 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 2: who this guy was, I mean, yes, he was called 118 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 2: mister big shot for a reason. 119 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:43,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, seventeen years. You hear anybody played seventeen years in 120 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 1: the NBA. They obviously were pretty good. But he won 121 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 1: a championship with the Pistons in two thousand and four. 122 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 1: He stopped that team, stopped what they thought was going 123 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 1: to be a three peat by Kobe and Shaq. Wow. 124 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 1: With the Lakers, yes, so they win this. He was 125 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 1: the MVP of the Finals. Let you know, on the 126 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 1: biggest stage, he shows up. He was an NBA All Star, 127 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: five time NBA All Star. His jersey is retired in Detroit, 128 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: and he is a Hall of Famer. Just went into 129 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame last year, and he yes is 130 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 1: the current coach of the Portland Trail Blazers, who started 131 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 1: their seat the NBA season just kicked off. Had two 132 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 1: glorious nights of games. 133 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 2: I saw a picture from him last night. Correct they 134 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 2: lost to the Minnesota I'm so bad Vikings. I'm terrible 135 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 2: with No, that's wrong Timberwolves. I knew this sport. 136 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 1: Is not my Jim. I knew I was going to 137 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 1: get a roam. So that's fine sport, but it's the 138 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: same city. It's fine. 139 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 2: But yes, when you start to see he was on 140 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 2: the court last night seemingly unsuspecting of what was going 141 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 2: to The loss was the least thing he should be 142 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 2: worried about this morning when he woke up, Yes, to 143 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 2: find himself under arrest. He along with Terry Rogier and 144 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 2: Damon Jones, we have to talk about him to all 145 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 2: have hearings this afternoon. 146 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 1: So yes, we are going to hear something, probably not 147 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 1: necessarily much, but going to be making an appearance. Not 148 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 1: Terry Rogier. If you don't know who this kid is 149 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 1: either as a kid, but he's been in the league 150 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: ten plus years now. He was drafted sixteen overall by Boston. 151 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 1: That's lets you know how good of a player he 152 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: was sixteen overall is a big deal. He played at 153 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: Louisville in his college days. He ended up going from 154 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 1: Boston was he was a role player to Charlotte where 155 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 1: he flourished, started averaging about twenty points a game, and 156 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: then he went to Miami and he's been there since 157 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. This is a guy who is on 158 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:47,680 Speaker 1: the last year of a four year, ninety six million 159 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: dollar contracts. So a lot of people will scratch their heads. 160 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: Why the hell is he involved in trying to make 161 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 1: a few bucks in a legal gameplay. 162 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 2: It's insane. I mean, he makes twenty plus million dollars 163 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 2: a year. Someone was pointing out because according to the FBI, 164 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 2: there was a particular date, I believe in March of 165 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:06,559 Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, where he is accused of feigning an 166 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 2: injury to get out of a game early to then 167 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 2: skew the bets on him. Those prop bets. We were 168 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 2: just talking about how many points he would score in 169 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 2: the game. But they said the money that was made 170 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 2: was around two hundred thousand dollars on that, which is 171 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 2: about and he had to split it with the folks 172 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:26,079 Speaker 2: who made the money. But apparently this is small change. 173 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 2: This is like pennies to you and me. So it 174 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 2: makes no sense why he would put his reputation, his freedom, 175 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:37,559 Speaker 2: and certainly his NBA career on the line for something 176 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 2: as small as that. 177 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't sound very bright, but these are just allegations. 178 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:45,319 Speaker 1: At this point we have heard from his attorney. We'll 179 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: read that here at the end. The other name of 180 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:50,079 Speaker 1: note again might not be one you know, but you 181 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: might recognize the face because he was on TV a 182 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 1: whole lot, because he was next to Lebron James a 183 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: whole lot, like Damon Jones. He did have a ten 184 00:09:57,320 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: plus year career in the league, but he played notably 185 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: with Lebron in some of Lebron's early days there in Cleveland, 186 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 1: and he was an assistant coach in twenty sixteen when 187 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 1: Cleveland won that championship over the Warriors, was in that 188 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:15,319 Speaker 1: arena and covered that team on awful lot. 189 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:18,439 Speaker 2: And he's being accused of being a part of this 190 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:22,559 Speaker 2: mafia scandal Royal Flush Chauncey Phillips, the Royal Flush investigation. 191 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 1: All right, So let's explain what this alleged involvement by 192 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 1: Billups and jones Is. And this is where things robes 193 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 1: get absolutely wacky. First of all, yes, these were rigged 194 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 1: poker games. Allegedly they were playing a part of Now 195 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: these big name guys, somebody like Chauncey Billups, according to authorities, 196 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 1: were referred to as face cards. They were the celebrities 197 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: who were sitting at the table, and they were kind 198 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: of there to distract the fish. The fish is the 199 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 1: target that they are trying to essentially rob, So everybody 200 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 1: at the table is in on it, the dealers in 201 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:59,839 Speaker 1: on it, everybody except the fish. But that wasn't just all. 202 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 1: They use some technology that I don't even think they 203 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 1: did an Oceans eleven some of this. 204 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 2: Stuff, right, I mean, it sounded like something out of 205 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 2: an Ocean's eleven movie, where apparently they had custom shuffling 206 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 2: machines that could read the order of the cards. They 207 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:19,439 Speaker 2: had hidden cameras built into tables and chandeliers that they 208 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 2: could see information that you're not supposed to see and 209 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 2: then pass them along to the player's poker chip trays 210 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 2: that could secretly read cards, special contact lenses that could 211 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 2: read cards that I've got that freaked me out. X 212 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 2: Ray table that could read the cards when they were 213 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 2: faced down. 214 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 1: Again, what this is a real operation. They really invested 215 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 1: in this thing. Also, they had shuffling machines. They said, 216 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 1: these were just regular commercial you can get them on 217 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: the market off the shelf, is how we refer to it. 218 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 1: Shuffling machines that could read the cards. But they would 219 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:59,079 Speaker 1: then predict who at the table would have the best hand. 220 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: They could predict this. So this is what happens with 221 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 1: all that information. It's relayed back to what they call 222 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: the quarterback, who was not on site. Then the quarterback 223 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 1: would take that info and relay it back to the 224 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: people at the table who worked in coordination to cheat 225 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: the fish. 226 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 2: And the fish were basically high rollers, the people who 227 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:23,839 Speaker 2: had the money, who wanted to play, and what they 228 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 2: thought was a fair illegal game because the game itself 229 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 2: was conducted illegally, but they thought that these were fair games. 230 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:35,719 Speaker 1: Hey, if you can't trust the criminal, what are you 231 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 1: gonna do? 232 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 2: Did they know that the mafia was involved in setting 233 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 2: up any of these games? I'm curious. I'm even thinking 234 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 2: from like the NBA coach and former coach, former player's 235 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 2: point of view, how scary or is it exciting to 236 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 2: know that you're now in bed with, so to speak, 237 00:12:56,240 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 2: with the mafia like that is just some crazy, scary 238 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 2: stuff that a successful person you wouldn't think would want 239 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 2: to be involved with. 240 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:09,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, and they have not watched all of those mob documentaries. 241 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 2: It doesn't end well. 242 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 1: You never want to be in business with the mom 243 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 1: You just. 244 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 2: Don't, especially if you don't have to be. I understand 245 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:20,440 Speaker 2: that financially, somehow you're I don't know, backed into a corner. 246 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 1: This was not them, Yeah, this was not that case 247 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 1: at all. Now you were mentioning this incident as well, 248 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:29,959 Speaker 1: having to do with Terry Rogier. Again, terror Rogier is 249 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 1: part of it was announced today, but a different indictment 250 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 1: from Chauncey Phillips. He's alleged to have been a part 251 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 1: of this scheme operation nothing but bet that involved player performances. 252 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 1: Now he would use, according to authorities, inside information he 253 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 1: might have and passed that along and then folks would 254 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 1: alter their prop bets. Now robes this through me. They 255 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:56,319 Speaker 1: announced that involved players from teams from Charlotte, Portland, the Lakers, 256 00:13:56,800 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 1: and Toronto. Now didn't say that necessarily all these plays 257 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: were in on it, but more so that some other 258 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: folks might have had inside information that they passed along 259 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:09,679 Speaker 1: involving those players. So I want to be clear. They 260 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 1: named those teams but didn't say there are players on 261 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 1: all those teams who were involved. 262 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:16,680 Speaker 2: Could have just been someone adjacent to the team or 263 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 2: someone who was who had that was privy to that 264 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 2: type of information that could be passed along then to 265 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 2: folks placing bets. 266 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: But please tell this is the story you got to hear, 267 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: and I just wanted to do it in their roads 268 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 1: line by line for how the New York Police of 269 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: Army Commissioner explained Terry Rogier's involvement. 270 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 2: All right, So this is from the NYPD commissioner. One 271 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 2: example occurred on March twenty third, twenty twenty three, in Charlotte. 272 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 2: Terry Rogier, an NBA player now with the Miami Heat 273 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 2: but at the time playing for the Charlotte Hornets, allegedly 274 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 2: let others close to him know that he planned to 275 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 2: leave the game early with a supposed injury. Using that information, 276 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 2: members of the group placed more than two hundred thousand 277 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 2: dollars in wagers on his under statistics. Rogier exited the 278 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 2: game after just nine minutes, and those bets paid out, 279 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 2: generating tens of thousands of dollars in profits. The proceeds 280 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 2: were later delivered to his home, where the group counted 281 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 2: their cash. As the NBA season tips off, his career 282 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 2: is already benched. Not for injury, but for integrity. 283 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: That's going to be the biggest problem for the NBA. 284 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 1: If you, integrity of the game is everything. If there 285 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 1: is any suggestion that players on the field are altering 286 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 1: their performance for the sake of gambling, you are going 287 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 1: to have the biggest scandal ever. 288 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 2: See it's so funny because I know that this. You 289 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 2: love the NBA, You love the game, and that was 290 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 2: my number one question to you. What do you think 291 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 2: this does to the integrity of the game. This is 292 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 2: they just opened their season. There's so much excitement and 293 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 2: fanfare and victoriously. 294 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 1: I mean, it was a great launch to the season. 295 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 1: A boy, you know Chuck, he's over on ESPN nine. 296 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 1: That was a big opening. The first game was a 297 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 1: double overtime thriller. This was a great start to the season. 298 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 1: And now this is the season. This will dog them 299 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: the entire season because now you got to look out 300 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 1: there every time somebody doesn't play every time somebody is 301 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: off a little bit, everybody's going to be under investigation 302 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 1: by the public. I mean correct, this is the scary. Wait, 303 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: you have a player who cheated and possibly changed the 304 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 1: outcome of an NBA game. That is the biggest disaster 305 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: they've had cheating scandals involving referee back in the day, 306 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 1: Donovan I think was his name. And then like last year, 307 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 1: another player got in trouble for this, but he wasn't 308 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 1: a big time player when the big name player kind 309 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: of went away, and this is everything. 310 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 2: This is everything. And look, and I am not belittling 311 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 2: in any way the amount of money that was lost here, 312 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 2: But when you think about the individuals who are purported 313 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 2: to have participated, you're talking about individuals who make and 314 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:14,160 Speaker 2: we've talked about this, just tens of millions of dollars 315 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 2: per year, seven million dollars in total losses to them, 316 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 2: and in the scheme of things, with the perspective of 317 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 2: all the money being earned, that doesn't even seem like 318 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 2: much and certainly doesn't seem worth what Now, not only 319 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:34,440 Speaker 2: will these individual folks be facing but as you point out, 320 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:40,160 Speaker 2: the entire league itself is now dealing with something all 321 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:43,680 Speaker 2: to do with seven million dollars cash, but that. 322 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:46,120 Speaker 1: Was they put that number in the indictment, but cash 323 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 1: hotels that it's tens of millions of dollars involved here. 324 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:50,879 Speaker 1: But even if you hear that tens of millions of 325 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: dollars to a lot of NBA players. Look, he's been 326 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:55,639 Speaker 1: in the league since twenty fifteen, so in the past 327 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:58,479 Speaker 1: ten years he has made one hundred and sixty million 328 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 1: dollars in total income playing in the NBA since twenty fifteen, 329 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty million. And you got some dudes 330 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 1: counting cash tens of thousand dollars in your living room. Really, 331 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:13,880 Speaker 1: so that doesn't sound right, and his attorney says, there's 332 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 1: a reason it doesn't sound right. Stay here, we are 333 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:20,159 Speaker 1: going to give you the pretty fiery statement from the 334 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 1: attorney for Terry Rogier. We continue here now, folks, on 335 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 1: this Thursday, on after what was really an interesting and 336 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 1: really unexpected details we got from a press conference and 337 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 1: which authorities announced to historic as they call it, indictments 338 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 1: involving illegal gambling, why or fraud having to do with 339 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 1: former and current NBA players and one NBA current head 340 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 1: coach of the Portland Trail Blazers Chauncey Billups. Now Terry Rogier, 341 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 1: one of the players place with the Miami Heat who's 342 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:01,160 Speaker 1: implicated in one of these cases. His attorney came out 343 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:04,399 Speaker 1: and I think this is this is how you defend 344 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 1: your client in a statement. He hit on some points there. 345 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 1: I like, really what? So I had already question. 346 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 2: I had the same reaction because you hear Cash Bettel 347 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 2: and certainly the heads of several other federal and state 348 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:21,400 Speaker 2: agencies speak and you think, my god, this is insane, 349 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 2: and it isn't it is insane. But then when you 350 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 2: hear Rogier's lawyer statement, already, yes, it does start to 351 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 2: poke some holes, at least in the case against him initially. 352 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 2: So here is what he had to say. We have 353 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:39,400 Speaker 2: represented Terry Rogier for over a year. A long time ago, 354 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:42,879 Speaker 2: we reached out to these prosecutors to tell them we 355 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:46,439 Speaker 2: should have an open line of communication. They characterize Terry 356 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 2: as a subject, not a target. But at six am 357 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 2: this morning they called to tell me FBI agents were 358 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 2: trying to arrest him in a hotel. It is unfortunate 359 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 2: that instead of allowing him to self surrender, they opted 360 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 2: for a photo op. They wanted the misplaced glory of 361 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 2: embarrassing a professional athlete with a purp walk. That tells 362 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:08,680 Speaker 2: you a lot about the motivations in this case. They 363 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 2: appear to be taking the word of spectacularly incredible sources, 364 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 2: like incredible, like not credible sources, rather than relying on 365 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 2: actual evidence of wrongdoing. Terry was cleared by the NBA, 366 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:27,160 Speaker 2: and these prosecutors revived. 367 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:27,959 Speaker 1: That non case. 368 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:30,959 Speaker 2: Terry is not a gambler, but he is not afraid 369 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:34,400 Speaker 2: of a fight, and he looks forward to winning this fight. 370 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 1: That's well done. That's how you defend your client right 371 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 1: there in public, Like almost every line, I was like, oh, okay, 372 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:41,160 Speaker 1: that makes sense. 373 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 2: Oh really, what well with the money he's made, I 374 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 2: hope he can afford a really good lawyer. It sounds 375 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:48,920 Speaker 2: like he has and will be able to do so well. 376 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 1: Nothing else. He's a good writer, whoever that is. But 377 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,920 Speaker 1: that is it kind of makes sense if you want 378 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:58,400 Speaker 1: to argue, maybe he didn't know. Is he a subject 379 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 1: of this? Was he some one a victim to a 380 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 1: certain degree, somebody taken advantage of And they also say 381 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: these mobsters, mafia, they use intimidation and violence and threats 382 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,120 Speaker 1: to get some people to pay up. How else were 383 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:14,119 Speaker 1: these threats in Vaya? Who knows, but that statement certainly 384 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 1: made me stop and think and question and go, oh, 385 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 1: that makes sense. I cannot make any sense if somebody 386 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 1: with one hundred and sixty million dollars that they've made 387 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 1: wants to pick up fifty grand. 388 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 2: The only because yes, of course, you're immediately going to motivation, 389 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,640 Speaker 2: Like I understand if somebody is cash strapped, it's still 390 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:32,680 Speaker 2: not okay, but you can at least understand the motive 391 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 2: where they're desperate to whatever pay a bill or feed 392 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 2: their family, or maybe it's greed to a certain extent. 393 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 2: But when you already have that much money, how much 394 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 2: more greed do you need to be the only thing 395 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 2: you can think of is the thrill of it, the 396 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 2: excitement of it. But that also just seems idiotic. 397 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:53,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, the other ways that gets you kicks. But yeah, 398 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:59,159 Speaker 1: everybody here is presumed innocent until otherwise noted. But this 399 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 1: was a hell of a story, hell of the details 400 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 1: to hear. I was looking robes that did not see 401 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 1: that the Portland Trailblazers, at least this recording, had put 402 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 1: out a statement. I also don't see their schedule in 403 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 1: front of me don't where they're supposed to be headed next, 404 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 1: but I mean the NBA season is underway, They're going 405 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 1: to be games on tonight, and whatever commentator is on 406 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,440 Speaker 1: this will be the first thing talked about. 407 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 2: Today, most certainly. And we will of course keep our 408 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,400 Speaker 2: eye on those hearings that are scheduled to happen later 409 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:32,120 Speaker 2: today at some point, because if any new information comes 410 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:35,919 Speaker 2: out from that, we will obviously pass that along to you. 411 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,199 Speaker 2: But it's hard to imagine that much is going to 412 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 2: be said other than a reading of the charges specifically, 413 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:47,200 Speaker 2: and perhaps any sort of bail that would be negotiated. 414 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 1: I'm not sure. 415 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 2: I have no idea. This is such an unusual situation. 416 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:56,680 Speaker 2: It's hard to even imagine what could possibly happen next, 417 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 2: and what the opportunities will be for any of these 418 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 2: defendants to post bail. It's hard to say. 419 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:08,199 Speaker 1: But they do play tomorrow night. They are scheduled the 420 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:13,160 Speaker 1: Portland Trailblazers to take on the Golden State Warriors tomorrow 421 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 1: night in Portland. We shall see if that game takes play. 422 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 2: Do you think this brings more eyes to NBA games 423 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:22,639 Speaker 2: at least for the next couple of nights? Do you 424 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 2: think that there is now with this spectacle that's taken place, 425 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 2: and obviously it's for all the wrong reasons, but I imagine 426 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,439 Speaker 2: more people will be watching, listening, wanting to hear what 427 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 2: commentators have to say, wanting to see at least how 428 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 2: players react, how coaches react. I mean, this is rocking 429 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 2: the NBA community. 430 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:43,160 Speaker 1: I am curious to hear from all of those guys. 431 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,400 Speaker 1: I want to hear from Shack Right, who knows Chauncey 432 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 1: really really well played against them in that finals, Right, 433 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,239 Speaker 1: I want to hear from those guys, to hear what 434 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 1: they say and think about it. I think even the 435 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,880 Speaker 1: retired guys are about to just I mean, they're former players, 436 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 1: but they are forever a part of the league to 437 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 1: watch this happen right now. Maybe it's a couple of knuckleheads, 438 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 1: but it's gonna hurt the league for a while. And 439 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 1: what have they been doing for the past several years. 440 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:13,160 Speaker 1: They've been partnering with all these gambling sites. They're trying 441 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 1: to bring gambling into the league. Every time you turn 442 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,440 Speaker 1: on the TV and you see a game on, it 443 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 1: shows you what at the bottom the over under right. 444 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 2: And I'm always asking you what it means because I 445 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:26,120 Speaker 2: have no idea. 446 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 1: I'm like, what is that doubtful college games? They're giving 447 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 1: you betting lines. All you see is betting and gambling. 448 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 1: So are we surprised this happens? If you get the right, like, 449 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 1: if you are in business to make money gambling, just 450 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 1: go get into the ear of one NBA player, one 451 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 1: NFL player that can change a game. Man, this is 452 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: scary as hell. Oh man, Commission of Silver, Adam Silver, 453 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 1: for God bless you. But you gotta mess on your 454 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,040 Speaker 1: hands now, folks, we just want to hop on. This 455 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 1: just happened, and we knew this was going to be 456 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:05,240 Speaker 1: a big story. We'll keep an eye. We'll see if 457 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 1: something happens in court that we need to hop back 458 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 1: on for, but otherwise, at this point, it's all We 459 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 1: got T. J. Holmes along with Amy Robot. We'll talk 460 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 1: to y'all soon.