WEBVTT - RERUN Hell and Gone Murder Line: Audrii Cunningham

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<v Speaker 2>Her eleven year old granddaughter would grow faf at the

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<v Speaker 2>bus about seven am this morning and never made it

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<v Speaker 2>on the bus and has not been seen since ty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty six. Female is about cross my four for eleven

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<v Speaker 2>eighty six pounds, blond, long hair, blue eyes, lasting war

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<v Speaker 2>her dark colored.

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<v Speaker 3>On February fifteenth, twenty twenty four, the day after Valentine's Day,

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<v Speaker 3>eleven year old Audrey Cunningham, a fifth grade student at

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<v Speaker 3>Creekside Elementary in Livingston, Texas, never made it to the

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<v Speaker 3>bus stop. Audrey's parents are divorced. She lived with her father,

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<v Speaker 3>Joshua Lee Cunningham, in Livingston, which is about seventy five

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<v Speaker 3>miles north of Houston in Polk County. Some other family members,

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<v Speaker 3>including her grandmother, also lived on the same property. Audrey

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<v Speaker 3>was born on February fifteenth, twenty thirteen, so she had

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<v Speaker 3>just turned eleven years old. She loved animals. In fact,

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<v Speaker 3>one of her favorite things in the world to do

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<v Speaker 3>was in the morning, when she would walk to the

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<v Speaker 3>bus stop, she would stop to pet her neighbor's dog.

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<v Speaker 3>The first people to notice that Audrey was missing were

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<v Speaker 3>at her school. Apparently, school officials notified her father, Joshua

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<v Speaker 3>at around noon that she never made it to school

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<v Speaker 3>that day. Now, that's what law enforcement has stated, but

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<v Speaker 3>I have seen other reports saying that in Texas, like

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<v Speaker 3>in many other states, they have an automated system that

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<v Speaker 3>techts parents when a child doesn't show up, So it

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<v Speaker 3>may have taken longer for that to happen for her

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<v Speaker 3>father to receive that message. But either way, when Audrey

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<v Speaker 3>did not come home after school, her family knew that

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<v Speaker 3>something was very wrong. Audrey's custody situation sounds a little complicated.

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<v Speaker 3>Apparently her dad had full custody and there seemed to

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<v Speaker 3>be some animosity there between her dad and her mom. Apparently,

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<v Speaker 3>Audrey's mother, Cassie, allowed her to live with her father, Joshua,

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<v Speaker 3>and from what the mother has said, it seems like

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<v Speaker 3>that arrangement was not court ordered. It was just something

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<v Speaker 3>they figured out on their own. It had been going

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<v Speaker 3>on for a few years. Cassie said that she allowed

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<v Speaker 3>Audrey to live with her father in order for her

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<v Speaker 3>daughter to have a better life. But as we said,

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<v Speaker 3>there were other people staying on that property. One of

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<v Speaker 3>the people living there was a forty two year old

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<v Speaker 3>friend of the famili's. He lived in a camper out back,

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<v Speaker 3>and this was someone who, though he had a very

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<v Speaker 3>disturbing criminal record, he was allowed to babysit for Audrey.

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<v Speaker 3>But apparently this did not raise any red flags with

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<v Speaker 3>anyone until the day when Audrey vanished. Only then did

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<v Speaker 3>people start taking a hard look at what was really

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<v Speaker 3>going on behind the closed doors of this house. In

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<v Speaker 3>rural Texas, we talk a lot about stranger danger and children,

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<v Speaker 3>but with this case, we're going to see that sometimes

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<v Speaker 3>the most terrifying people in a child's life can be

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<v Speaker 3>living inside the home. I'm Catherine Townsend. Over the past

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<v Speaker 3>five years of making my true crime podcast, Helen Gone,

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<v Speaker 3>That's six seven eight seven four four six one four

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<v Speaker 3>or five. This is Helen Gone Murder Line now. As

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<v Speaker 3>listeners of this podcast will know, I very rarely do

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<v Speaker 3>cases that are currently being investigated. I tend to focus

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<v Speaker 3>on cold cases that everyone else has kind of forgotten.

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<v Speaker 3>I also don't tend to do cases where there has

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<v Speaker 3>been a person of interest arrested, where the case is

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<v Speaker 3>closed to being closed. But I'm breaking all the rules

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<v Speaker 3>this week because I think that the Audrey Cunningham case

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<v Speaker 3>is a very important case to cover. First of all,

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<v Speaker 3>I wanted to cover it because it unfolded in a

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<v Speaker 3>really public way. Now Obviously, anytime a young girl is

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<v Speaker 3>murdered or goes missing, this is a tragedy. But in

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<v Speaker 3>my opinion, in this case, the police have shared with

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<v Speaker 3>the public in a way that has been very positive.

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<v Speaker 3>As we will see, police were able to arrest a

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<v Speaker 3>person of interest very quickly. They communicated clearly with the

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<v Speaker 3>community and with other agencies, and they did not withhold information.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to know what we can learn from this

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<v Speaker 3>going forward, so that in cases where there are children

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<v Speaker 3>and young women missing for such a long time. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>hoping that we can take something from this and hopefully

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<v Speaker 3>apply these lessons to some of her other cult cases.

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<v Speaker 2>The missing juvenile called in from the county. They want

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<v Speaker 2>us to take that address with phus.

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<v Speaker 4>There still no side of her negative.

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<v Speaker 3>Audrey Cunningham was officially reported missing to law enforcement at

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<v Speaker 3>around five thirty pm on Thursday, February fifteenth, twenty twenty four.

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<v Speaker 3>An Amberlert went out that night for Audrey, describing her

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<v Speaker 3>as four foot eleven, seventy five pounds, wearing a black

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<v Speaker 3>hoodie with white lettering, carrying a camouflage backpack, black pants,

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<v Speaker 3>and black high top tennis shoes. Police immediately started searching

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<v Speaker 3>in the woods behind her house. At first, they may

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<v Speaker 3>have been thinking maybe she went back there to look

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<v Speaker 3>for animals, since she did love animals, or maybe she

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<v Speaker 3>wandered away and got lost. Audrey's family started posting on

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<v Speaker 3>social media immediately after she went missing. Her father, Joshua Cunningham,

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<v Speaker 3>made a post that read, my daughter Audrey Cunningham is missing.

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<v Speaker 3>She did not make it to the bus this morning.

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<v Speaker 3>Contact me and the police immediately with any information.

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<v Speaker 4>Now.

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<v Speaker 3>This seemed to feed into early media reports that said

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<v Speaker 3>that Audrey had vanished some time on her way to

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<v Speaker 3>school on Thursday. But as I'm going to get into

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit later, I have questions about this timeline

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<v Speaker 3>and when Audrey really disappeared. Of course, police who were

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<v Speaker 3>looking for Audrey were considering all the possibilities. In addition

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<v Speaker 3>to figuring out if a stranger had grabbed her on

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<v Speaker 3>her way to the bus stop, they were also taking

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<v Speaker 3>a close look at her home life. Who was around Audrey,

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<v Speaker 3>who had access to this little girl. Immediately, both the

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<v Speaker 3>community and friends of hers saw pictures of this family friend,

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<v Speaker 3>forty two year old Don Stephen McDougall, who goes by

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<v Speaker 3>his middle name Stephen, and they were asking a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of questions about Stephen. Stephen had a long criminal history.

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<v Speaker 3>He had a swastika tattoo on his shoulder, and a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of people commented on social media and said this

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<v Speaker 3>did not look or sound like the type of guy

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<v Speaker 3>you would want to leave in charge of your children.

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<v Speaker 3>People wanted to know who was this friend of the

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<v Speaker 3>famili's and how was he allowed access to an eleven

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<v Speaker 3>year old child. The Polk County Sheriff's Department did a

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<v Speaker 3>press conference and the Polk County Sheriff Byron Lyons described

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<v Speaker 3>Stephen McDougall as a friend of the family, a friend

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<v Speaker 3>of Audrey's father's. Stephen McDougall lived in a camper on

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<v Speaker 3>the property, but he reportedly had access to the kitchen

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<v Speaker 3>and the bathroom area pretty much the entire house. Reporters

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<v Speaker 3>and police talked to Audrey's mom, Cassie. She said that

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<v Speaker 3>it was her understanding that Stephen would sometimes babysit Audrey,

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<v Speaker 3>and Audrey's routine apparently was that every day she walked

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<v Speaker 3>to the bus stop, and often Stephen was the person

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<v Speaker 3>who walked with her. On occasion, or if she was

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<v Speaker 3>running late or something like that, Stephen would drive Audrey

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<v Speaker 3>to the bus stop in his two thousand and three

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<v Speaker 3>navy blue Chevy Suburban, or he would drive her to school.

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<v Speaker 3>Cassie made a public plea for help.

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<v Speaker 5>I would just like to get the word out that

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<v Speaker 5>we would like to have her come home. It's not

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<v Speaker 5>like her to, you know, just run off forward disappear.

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<v Speaker 5>She has a lot of loving families. She has so

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<v Speaker 5>many people that love her and adore her.

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<v Speaker 3>And she also publicly shared texts that she said were

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<v Speaker 3>from Stephen in which Stephen said he had dropped Audrey

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<v Speaker 3>off to the bus stop that morning. Yet school officials

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<v Speaker 3>stated they confirmed Audrey was not on that bus. She

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<v Speaker 3>did not ride her bus to school that day. So

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<v Speaker 3>these stories conflicted, and it didn't take police long to

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<v Speaker 3>learn that in addition to Stephen's criminal history, he had

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<v Speaker 3>arrests for violent crime and sexual crimes against children. The

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<v Speaker 3>Polk County Police were already talking to Stephen. They confirmed

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<v Speaker 3>Stephen was the last person to see Audrey before she disappeared.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm not exactly sure of the timeline here, because

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<v Speaker 3>they started talking to Stephen on Thursday, February fifteenth, but

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<v Speaker 3>at some point during their multiple interviews of Stephen. Stephen

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<v Speaker 3>apparently admitted to police that he did leave the house

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<v Speaker 3>with Audrey that morning, but he wouldn't talk about whether

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<v Speaker 3>or not she ever made it to the bus stop.

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<v Speaker 3>This regional story very quickly made national news. Police were

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<v Speaker 3>focusing on the area around Lake Livingstone Dam, a few

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<v Speaker 3>miles from Audrey's home. Then, on Friday, one day after

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<v Speaker 3>Audrey was reported missing, the local news station KHOU eleven

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<v Speaker 3>reported that searchers had found a wet backpack believed to

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<v Speaker 3>be Audrey's. More items of clothing belonging to a child

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<v Speaker 3>were reportedly found near the waterline. The Polk County Sheriff's

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<v Speaker 3>office held a press conference at Bowders Marina. Sheriff Lines

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<v Speaker 3>announced that the FBI and the Texas Rangers and multiple

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<v Speaker 3>other agencies were involved and said they had boats and

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<v Speaker 3>dogs searching the area. And he said in this press

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<v Speaker 3>conference that police hadn't made any rest, but he stated

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<v Speaker 3>that there were persons and he used the plural there

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<v Speaker 3>persons of interest. Meanwhile, police continued to talk to Stephen.

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<v Speaker 3>And what was crazy was this entire situation with the

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<v Speaker 3>police approaching Stephen and talking to him was playing out

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<v Speaker 3>on social media. People were posting Facebook videos of the

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<v Speaker 3>police talking to Stephen outside a donut shop, then Stephen

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<v Speaker 3>getting into a squad car and going to the police station.

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<v Speaker 3>And then it was reported that on February fifteenth, very

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<v Speaker 3>soon after that donut shop confrontation, Stephen was arrested and

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<v Speaker 3>he was taken to the Polk County Jail on an

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<v Speaker 3>unrelated assault charge. So now the public is wondering why

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<v Speaker 3>if Stephen had warrants out on him, and given the

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<v Speaker 3>violence of his past crimes, how was he allowed to

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<v Speaker 3>roam free. Then on February twentieth, there was another press conference.

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<v Speaker 3>That's when the Sheriff's office announced that Audrey Cunningham's body

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<v Speaker 3>had been found. At the press conference on February twentieth,

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<v Speaker 3>Sheriff Line said that finding Audrey's body had been a

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<v Speaker 3>coordinated effort, and he talked about how many groups were involved,

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<v Speaker 3>including the Texas Rangers, Game Wardens, FBI, Harris County Sheriff's Office,

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<v Speaker 3>and there were a lot more. The Trinity River Authority

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<v Speaker 3>actually played a key role here because that agency agreed

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<v Speaker 3>to lower the water level so that the divers could

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<v Speaker 3>do their searches around there. The Polk County District Attorney

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<v Speaker 3>Shelley Sitton said quota resources that were marshaled by sheriff

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<v Speaker 3>lines should show you that in this county they will

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<v Speaker 3>come out when they need to protect our children. The

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<v Speaker 3>sheriff said that Audrey's body had not been visible from

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<v Speaker 3>the surface, so it required special equipment and teams to

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<v Speaker 3>locate her. There was a sonar boat they used to

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<v Speaker 3>scow the river, and again the river authority had slowed

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<v Speaker 3>down the outflow from the reservoir so that water level

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<v Speaker 3>could be lowered. After they found Audrey's body, it was

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<v Speaker 3>transported to Harris County Coroner's office. They did not release

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<v Speaker 3>any information about the condition of her body, but later

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<v Speaker 3>investigators revealed that Audrey's body had been tied to a

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<v Speaker 3>large rock with a rope. And I just want to

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<v Speaker 3>mention here something that I noticed as an investigator. During

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<v Speaker 3>the press conference, the sheriff talked about how powerful social

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<v Speaker 3>media had been. They said they actually thanked people who

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<v Speaker 3>were communicating on social media. The sheriff said that it

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<v Speaker 3>had helped in their investigation, that it had helped pinpoint

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<v Speaker 3>his location, and that in addition to getting cell phone

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<v Speaker 3>data from Stephen's phone, that the social media chatter had

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<v Speaker 3>really helped the case. This does not often happen in

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<v Speaker 3>criminal investigations. If you listen to this podcast, you know

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<v Speaker 3>we've seen way too many where the police give no

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<v Speaker 3>information out and bodies are not recovered quickly. So I

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<v Speaker 3>have to say I think that Paul County did a

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<v Speaker 3>really good job in communicating with the media and the

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<v Speaker 3>public and maintaining the integrity and investigation while also giving

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<v Speaker 3>people information so that they could help. The sheriff also

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<v Speaker 3>said during the press conference there was no evidence that

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<v Speaker 3>Audrey had been held somewhere else before she was put

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<v Speaker 3>in the water, but he said they were still analyzing data.

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<v Speaker 3>It did not take long for amateur detectives and journalists

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<v Speaker 3>to start delving into Stephen's criminal record. The news channel

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<v Speaker 3>Fox twenty six in Houston reported that he had a

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<v Speaker 3>string of arrests and convictions for violent crimes, including dui theft,

0:15:52.601 --> 0:15:56.041
<v Speaker 3>drug possession, and aggravated assault with a deadly weapon. The

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<v Speaker 3>most shocking, though, was enticement of a child. One news

0:16:02.641 --> 0:16:05.681
<v Speaker 3>channel did an interview with a guy who had worked

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<v Speaker 3>with Stephen and said that Stephen seemed like a nice guy.

0:16:09.321 --> 0:16:11.481
<v Speaker 3>They worked together at a body shop and one night,

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<v Speaker 3>they got into an argument. Things turned physical and they

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<v Speaker 3>ended up kicking Stephen out of their house. Then Stephen

0:16:17.841 --> 0:16:20.961
<v Speaker 3>came back with a knife and tried to stab this guy.

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<v Speaker 3>The victim called the police and Stephen was arrested. The

0:16:24.601 --> 0:16:28.361
<v Speaker 3>victim told the news channel quote terrifying, it really was.

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<v Speaker 3>He seemed like this nice guy, but he's got this

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<v Speaker 3>whole other side to him that no one seemed to

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<v Speaker 3>know about until now end quote. In fact, this guy

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<v Speaker 3>said he was so horrified by everything that he had

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<v Speaker 3>heard about Stephen that his only actual regret was that

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<v Speaker 3>he didn't kill Stephen, that he didn't shoot him dead

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<v Speaker 3>the night that he was attacked. On February twenty second,

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<v Speaker 3>the Harris County Medical Examiner's Office released Audrey Cunningham's cause

0:16:54.961 --> 0:16:58.561
<v Speaker 3>of death. It was blunt head trauma and the manner

0:16:58.601 --> 0:17:03.641
<v Speaker 3>of death was homicide. Again, I think it was a

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<v Speaker 3>very good call to release this information. Making it publicly

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<v Speaker 3>available definitely helped cut down on the wild rumors and

0:17:11.481 --> 0:17:19.840
<v Speaker 3>online speculation. So again, this case is happening in real time.

0:17:20.001 --> 0:17:22.880
<v Speaker 3>Stephen has not been convicted of this crime, and we

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<v Speaker 3>actually don't know if anyone else is going to be

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<v Speaker 3>arrested or charged. But I have some questions about this timeline.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's take a look back, because at first, police said

0:17:34.001 --> 0:17:36.720
<v Speaker 3>their theory was that Stephen and Audrey drove in the

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<v Speaker 3>car on Thursday morning and that he told Audrey he

0:17:39.360 --> 0:17:41.521
<v Speaker 3>was going to drop her off the bus stop as normal.

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<v Speaker 3>Then they speculated he took a d tour and took

0:17:44.561 --> 0:17:48.080
<v Speaker 3>Audrey somewhere else. But again a lot of their information

0:17:48.401 --> 0:17:51.201
<v Speaker 3>was based on what Stephen was telling them. So I'm

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<v Speaker 3>wondering could something have happened to Audrey before Thursday. The

0:17:56.441 --> 0:17:59.161
<v Speaker 3>first meetia reports that came out said that Audrey had

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<v Speaker 3>last been seen at around seven am on Thursday, February fifteenth,

0:18:03.681 --> 0:18:07.801
<v Speaker 3>the day she reportedly disappeared, But at least according to

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<v Speaker 3>my research, no one but Stephen and possibly others in

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<v Speaker 3>the home say that she was ever seen that morning.

0:18:14.521 --> 0:18:17.080
<v Speaker 3>There was a neighbor who was interviewed by a news channel,

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<v Speaker 3>and this neighbor said she always saw Audrey walk by

0:18:20.361 --> 0:18:22.521
<v Speaker 3>her house every single day on her way to the

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<v Speaker 3>bus stop, and that Audrey would stop to pet her

0:18:25.121 --> 0:18:29.001
<v Speaker 3>dog well. The neighbor told a local news station that

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<v Speaker 3>she remembered seeing Audrey on Valentine's Day, Wednesday, February fourteenth.

0:18:33.561 --> 0:18:36.521
<v Speaker 3>She had actually said Happy Valentine's Day to Audrey, but

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<v Speaker 3>crucially she said she did not see Audrey on Thursday

0:18:39.721 --> 0:18:44.561
<v Speaker 3>the fifteenth. And then there are the disturbing messages that

0:18:44.601 --> 0:18:49.640
<v Speaker 3>Stephen was sending. People were posting Facebook messages saying that

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<v Speaker 3>around the time Audrey disappeared that Stephen was trying to

0:18:52.601 --> 0:18:57.080
<v Speaker 3>solicit them for sex. Stephen allegedly sent some messages about

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<v Speaker 3>wanting to hook up with someone on the night of Wednesday,

0:19:00.161 --> 0:19:04.321
<v Speaker 3>February fourteenth. He was offering, in exchange for sex, the

0:19:04.361 --> 0:19:07.681
<v Speaker 3>title to his truck, meaning the Suburban, or one thousand dollars.

0:19:08.721 --> 0:19:12.161
<v Speaker 3>The messages are disturbing, not necessarily because he was wanting

0:19:12.161 --> 0:19:14.281
<v Speaker 3>to hook up, but because these women are saying no.

0:19:15.041 --> 0:19:18.401
<v Speaker 3>One woman responds and says she's engaged. Then she says, look,

0:19:18.441 --> 0:19:20.761
<v Speaker 3>this is disgusting. I'm not a prostitute. I don't know

0:19:20.801 --> 0:19:23.321
<v Speaker 3>why you're offering me money for this. Basically, she blew

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<v Speaker 3>them off. And it's also interesting to me that Stephen

0:19:27.321 --> 0:19:30.961
<v Speaker 3>was making comments about trading in the suburban, because if

0:19:30.961 --> 0:19:33.080
<v Speaker 3>that's true, if he really wanted to get rid of

0:19:33.080 --> 0:19:37.361
<v Speaker 3>the car that in itself is interesting, there was potential

0:19:37.401 --> 0:19:44.840
<v Speaker 3>evidence inside that car. Later investigators said they found rope

0:19:44.881 --> 0:19:48.160
<v Speaker 3>inside Stephen's suburban and that that rope was consistent with

0:19:48.201 --> 0:19:50.600
<v Speaker 3>the rope that had been found tied to Audrey's body.

0:19:51.921 --> 0:19:55.521
<v Speaker 3>And then there are the messages that Stephen supposedly sent

0:19:55.601 --> 0:20:00.401
<v Speaker 3>to Audrey's mother, Cassie. Cassie posted text messages she said

0:20:00.401 --> 0:20:04.201
<v Speaker 3>she exchanged with Stephen, and in these text messages, she

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<v Speaker 3>claims that Stephen was trying to entice her to meet

0:20:07.201 --> 0:20:11.521
<v Speaker 3>with him and with Audrey on Thursday, February fifteenth. So,

0:20:11.641 --> 0:20:14.600
<v Speaker 3>as we mentioned, Cassie was having custody issues with her

0:20:14.641 --> 0:20:16.880
<v Speaker 3>ex husband and she wanted to have more visits with

0:20:16.921 --> 0:20:20.801
<v Speaker 3>her daughter. So the messages that were exchanged between Cassie

0:20:20.801 --> 0:20:24.241
<v Speaker 3>and Stephen were basically Stephen offering to intervene and to

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<v Speaker 3>help Cassie out. Cassie wrote, quote, it makes me sick

0:20:28.401 --> 0:20:30.880
<v Speaker 3>to my stomach that they think that's okay. She has

0:20:30.921 --> 0:20:33.840
<v Speaker 3>an innocent, fragile child's mind and them warping it with

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<v Speaker 3>chaos is not right man end quote. So basically, Cassie's

0:20:38.481 --> 0:20:42.081
<v Speaker 3>saying that she believes that her ex husband is kind

0:20:42.121 --> 0:20:45.120
<v Speaker 3>of turning her daughter. Against her. Stephen seems to be

0:20:45.161 --> 0:20:47.080
<v Speaker 3>acting like this good guy who's a friend of the

0:20:47.121 --> 0:20:49.600
<v Speaker 3>family who's going to plan a meetup with her mother.

0:20:50.361 --> 0:20:53.600
<v Speaker 3>Stephen replied, quote, I might take you out to the

0:20:53.641 --> 0:20:57.080
<v Speaker 3>doc to fish and accidentally pull up with her to fish.

0:20:57.321 --> 0:21:02.120
<v Speaker 3>End quote. So here he's offering to set up a

0:21:02.161 --> 0:21:06.361
<v Speaker 3>meeting with Audrey. Cassie replied, quote, I want to meet

0:21:06.361 --> 0:21:08.600
<v Speaker 3>her too, but if this comes back on me in

0:21:08.641 --> 0:21:11.041
<v Speaker 3>any bad way, I can lose her forever and I

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<v Speaker 3>would kill you then myself. Man, no threat but a

0:21:13.441 --> 0:21:17.481
<v Speaker 3>promise end quote. So then he says, quote it wouldn't

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<v Speaker 3>as long as no one says anything about it being

0:21:19.601 --> 0:21:22.281
<v Speaker 3>set up. No one would even know, and she won't

0:21:22.321 --> 0:21:25.801
<v Speaker 3>say anything to them. I'm your daughter's favorite person, and

0:21:25.840 --> 0:21:28.681
<v Speaker 3>she will not tell she wants to meet you. I

0:21:28.801 --> 0:21:34.921
<v Speaker 3>told you I'm on your team. End quote. Now, Cassie

0:21:35.001 --> 0:21:37.801
<v Speaker 3>apparently got cold feet and did not agree to this

0:21:37.840 --> 0:21:42.321
<v Speaker 3>proposed meeting. I've seen reports that once she suggested to

0:21:42.321 --> 0:21:44.921
<v Speaker 3>Stephen that her boyfriend with her, that he kind of

0:21:44.961 --> 0:21:47.681
<v Speaker 3>cut it off, But either way, the meeting didn't happen.

0:21:48.961 --> 0:21:53.361
<v Speaker 3>But rereading these texts is kind of horrifying because I'm

0:21:53.361 --> 0:21:57.121
<v Speaker 3>wondering what was Stephen planning to do on Thursday. Could

0:21:57.121 --> 0:21:59.481
<v Speaker 3>Audrey have already been dead and he was trying to

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<v Speaker 3>lure her mom out so that he could potentially say

0:22:02.121 --> 0:22:05.281
<v Speaker 3>there had been a parental abduction? Was he planning on

0:22:05.401 --> 0:22:11.321
<v Speaker 3>doing something to Audrey's mother? As it happened so often

0:22:11.361 --> 0:22:14.080
<v Speaker 3>in these cases, there was not only panic and drama

0:22:14.121 --> 0:22:17.321
<v Speaker 3>in the community, but there was also the family drama

0:22:17.361 --> 0:22:20.481
<v Speaker 3>that was playing out on social media. Early in the

0:22:20.521 --> 0:22:24.481
<v Speaker 3>search for Audrey, online groups were created that, of course

0:22:24.601 --> 0:22:27.200
<v Speaker 3>friends or people connected to the family were contributing to.

0:22:27.961 --> 0:22:30.281
<v Speaker 3>And then of course a lot of people were saying

0:22:30.321 --> 0:22:32.281
<v Speaker 3>the mother and the father should have known what was

0:22:32.321 --> 0:22:37.001
<v Speaker 3>going on. Audrey's mom, Cassie confronted these rumors, and the

0:22:37.121 --> 0:22:41.041
<v Speaker 3>rumors included a lot of commenters saying that Cassie had

0:22:41.080 --> 0:22:43.481
<v Speaker 3>lost custody of Audrey because she failed or because there

0:22:43.481 --> 0:22:47.241
<v Speaker 3>were rug's involved in some way. She has said that

0:22:47.281 --> 0:22:50.281
<v Speaker 3>that is an absolute lie. She wrote that she had

0:22:50.321 --> 0:22:55.001
<v Speaker 3>nothing to hide, and she accused people of spreading bullshit online.

0:22:55.041 --> 0:22:58.441
<v Speaker 3>Audrey's mother also spoke out and asked anyone with information

0:22:58.521 --> 0:23:02.721
<v Speaker 3>about Audrey's whereabouts to come forward. She told the news

0:23:02.761 --> 0:23:06.641
<v Speaker 3>channel KPRC. We have no leads, so we are grasping

0:23:06.681 --> 0:23:10.401
<v Speaker 3>at any string, any signs anything. In general. You were broken,

0:23:10.681 --> 0:23:13.441
<v Speaker 3>you're mad, you're empty, and right now I am empty.

0:23:15.080 --> 0:23:17.961
<v Speaker 3>Later there was an online post that Cassie made visible.

0:23:18.401 --> 0:23:20.721
<v Speaker 3>The Daily Mail reported on it, and the Daily Beasts

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<v Speaker 3>followed up. She wrote, quote, I'll make this clear one time,

0:23:24.840 --> 0:23:27.841
<v Speaker 3>and one time only, I failed my daughter by being

0:23:27.881 --> 0:23:30.761
<v Speaker 3>bullied into submission by her father's family and being made

0:23:30.801 --> 0:23:33.241
<v Speaker 3>to believe she was in a safe, loving and normal

0:23:33.281 --> 0:23:37.521
<v Speaker 3>home with her father. End quote. Joshua Cunningham side of

0:23:37.521 --> 0:23:41.001
<v Speaker 3>the family has been quieter, but a man named Chris

0:23:41.041 --> 0:23:43.281
<v Speaker 3>Booth addressed a crowd of reporters and people from the

0:23:43.321 --> 0:23:45.840
<v Speaker 3>community and said that he was speaking on behalf of

0:23:45.881 --> 0:23:46.321
<v Speaker 3>the family.

0:23:47.241 --> 0:23:51.241
<v Speaker 4>He said, I'm gonna ask that if you don't know anything,

0:23:52.041 --> 0:23:55.201
<v Speaker 4>don't say anything. All you're doing is hurting the family.

0:23:56.801 --> 0:24:00.281
<v Speaker 4>That makes no sense. You don't know what they're going through.

0:24:00.321 --> 0:24:03.400
<v Speaker 4>You don't know the circumstances. I do know Audrey is loved,

0:24:04.481 --> 0:24:07.680
<v Speaker 4>I know Audrey has cared for and I know Audrey

0:24:07.761 --> 0:24:10.841
<v Speaker 4>loved her grandmother, her father, her brother and family. I'm

0:24:10.881 --> 0:24:13.840
<v Speaker 4>asking everybody to stop the bs and I'm sorry for

0:24:13.881 --> 0:24:17.161
<v Speaker 4>the language, the bs on Facebook and all the garbage

0:24:17.241 --> 0:24:22.761
<v Speaker 4>talk on Facebook. You don't know the circumstances. Leave it alone.

0:24:23.721 --> 0:24:28.041
<v Speaker 3>But the truth is, with Stephen living there, clearly this

0:24:28.241 --> 0:24:31.360
<v Speaker 3>was far from a normal and healthy environment for a child.

0:24:39.881 --> 0:24:42.921
<v Speaker 3>One person he knew exactly what Stephen McDougall was capable

0:24:42.961 --> 0:24:46.321
<v Speaker 3>of was another one of his past victims. Her name

0:24:46.401 --> 0:24:50.001
<v Speaker 3>is Carissa Davis. ABC thirteen did an interview with her

0:24:50.721 --> 0:24:54.241
<v Speaker 3>about what happened back in two thousand and seven. Back then,

0:24:54.401 --> 0:24:57.041
<v Speaker 3>Carissa was ten years old. She was at a family

0:24:57.121 --> 0:24:59.441
<v Speaker 3>gathering and Stephen, who was a friend of the families,

0:24:59.761 --> 0:25:02.081
<v Speaker 3>came into the bedroom that night where she was sleeping

0:25:02.321 --> 0:25:05.681
<v Speaker 3>with one of her cousins. She said, Stephen pulled her

0:25:05.681 --> 0:25:07.881
<v Speaker 3>cousin out of the bed and then crawled in there.

0:25:08.601 --> 0:25:11.281
<v Speaker 3>She said, quote he tried to take down my pants

0:25:11.281 --> 0:25:14.120
<v Speaker 3>and I immediately jumped up at that moment. I remember

0:25:14.201 --> 0:25:16.001
<v Speaker 3>looking at him. I was like, do you know how

0:25:16.041 --> 0:25:20.121
<v Speaker 3>old I am? End quote. The grand jury indictment backed

0:25:20.161 --> 0:25:24.640
<v Speaker 3>up Caris's version of events. The indictment explained that Stephen

0:25:24.721 --> 0:25:27.360
<v Speaker 3>had removed another female from the bed where his victim

0:25:27.401 --> 0:25:31.241
<v Speaker 3>was sleeping, then pulled down her pajama bottoms and underwear.

0:25:32.001 --> 0:25:36.400
<v Speaker 3>But it didn't stop there because Carissa managed to break

0:25:36.441 --> 0:25:39.801
<v Speaker 3>free and she tried to run outside, but then Stephen

0:25:39.881 --> 0:25:43.120
<v Speaker 3>chased her and grabbed her again. She said she started

0:25:43.201 --> 0:25:46.640
<v Speaker 3>hitting him and she managed to break free. Her family

0:25:46.681 --> 0:25:50.281
<v Speaker 3>called the police and he was arrested. Stephen was originally

0:25:50.361 --> 0:25:54.321
<v Speaker 3>charged with attempted indecency with a child, but he was

0:25:54.361 --> 0:25:57.761
<v Speaker 3>allowed to plead guilty to a lesser charge of child enticement.

0:25:58.441 --> 0:26:01.601
<v Speaker 3>Now crucially, this meant he did not have to register

0:26:01.681 --> 0:26:03.721
<v Speaker 3>as a sex offender, so if you look him up

0:26:03.721 --> 0:26:06.201
<v Speaker 3>in the sex offender registry, nothing would come up under

0:26:06.241 --> 0:26:08.640
<v Speaker 3>his name. And in addition to that, even though he

0:26:08.681 --> 0:26:11.440
<v Speaker 3>was sentenced to two years in prison, he got credit

0:26:11.481 --> 0:26:14.120
<v Speaker 3>for time served for the time he'd been waiting around

0:26:14.161 --> 0:26:18.640
<v Speaker 3>for trial, so he was out in six months. And

0:26:19.441 --> 0:26:21.801
<v Speaker 3>even more shocking than this to me is the fact

0:26:21.840 --> 0:26:25.961
<v Speaker 3>that members of Stephen's family said this incident was just exaggerated.

0:26:26.521 --> 0:26:29.080
<v Speaker 3>They backed him up, and some of them actually seemed

0:26:29.121 --> 0:26:32.161
<v Speaker 3>to blame the victim. I have seen this lay out

0:26:32.241 --> 0:26:34.881
<v Speaker 3>in so many other cases, and it is always shocking

0:26:34.921 --> 0:26:39.561
<v Speaker 3>to me. Stephen's mother joined one of the social media

0:26:39.601 --> 0:26:45.640
<v Speaker 3>groups that was created after Audrey disappeared. Now, according to commenters,

0:26:45.681 --> 0:26:48.721
<v Speaker 3>this post has been removed, but there were comments in there,

0:26:49.080 --> 0:26:52.681
<v Speaker 3>allegedly made by members of Stephen's family that called this

0:26:52.801 --> 0:26:56.680
<v Speaker 3>ten year old victim a little bitch. And there are

0:26:56.721 --> 0:27:00.041
<v Speaker 3>screenshots that people in the group have taken of other

0:27:00.080 --> 0:27:04.761
<v Speaker 3>people in Stephen's family liking that post. And another commenter,

0:27:04.840 --> 0:27:07.321
<v Speaker 3>someone who said that she was a friend of one

0:27:07.361 --> 0:27:09.801
<v Speaker 3>of Stephen's sisters, said she had ended the friendship with

0:27:09.801 --> 0:27:12.640
<v Speaker 3>that sister because she claimed that when she brought up

0:27:12.641 --> 0:27:17.001
<v Speaker 3>the incident, the sister said it was exaggerated and that

0:27:17.080 --> 0:27:19.600
<v Speaker 3>this little girl had made up the story, And this

0:27:19.721 --> 0:27:22.601
<v Speaker 3>person said they had told Stephen's sister they don't believe

0:27:22.641 --> 0:27:26.441
<v Speaker 3>that children make up stories like that. The bottom line

0:27:26.481 --> 0:27:30.521
<v Speaker 3>was this friend of Stephen's family's absolutely believed there were

0:27:30.681 --> 0:27:33.401
<v Speaker 3>people in this family who knew, or at least should

0:27:33.401 --> 0:27:39.600
<v Speaker 3>have known, about his proclivities. Sheriff Lynes told CNN that

0:27:39.681 --> 0:27:43.441
<v Speaker 3>before Stephen was arrested, he had been out searching for Audrey.

0:27:43.921 --> 0:27:46.961
<v Speaker 3>Stephen had inserted himself into the case. He'd been going

0:27:47.041 --> 0:27:49.920
<v Speaker 3>door to or looking for her. We've seen this a

0:27:49.921 --> 0:27:53.521
<v Speaker 3>lot in these cases. There seem to be two responses

0:27:53.721 --> 0:27:57.721
<v Speaker 3>in general from guilty people. Some people completely avoid looking

0:27:57.801 --> 0:28:01.761
<v Speaker 3>or being present at all, or sometimes they seem a

0:28:01.801 --> 0:28:06.801
<v Speaker 3>little too overly involved in the investigation. Now, again, Steven

0:28:06.881 --> 0:28:09.840
<v Speaker 3>is innocent until proven guilty. We don't know what he

0:28:09.881 --> 0:28:13.400
<v Speaker 3>has said to police. Law enforcement has stated when the

0:28:13.441 --> 0:28:17.961
<v Speaker 3>Texas Rangers initially questioned him, he said, quote, I'm not guilty.

0:28:18.041 --> 0:28:20.441
<v Speaker 3>I was there and was questioned. I am not running

0:28:20.601 --> 0:28:23.481
<v Speaker 3>or hiding. I've done everything I can to help find her.

0:28:23.561 --> 0:28:29.241
<v Speaker 3>I've done nothing wrong end quote. And again, I just

0:28:29.281 --> 0:28:31.360
<v Speaker 3>want to say I think the police did a great job,

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<v Speaker 3>not only with finding Audrey's body in cooperating with other agencies,

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<v Speaker 3>but also they put out a photo of Steven's two

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<v Speaker 3>thousand and three Chevy Suburban and they asked anyone who

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<v Speaker 3>had seen that vehicle to come forward, and it worked.

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<v Speaker 3>A store clerk at the Exxon in Cold Spring told

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<v Speaker 3>the news channel KPRC two that after she saw the

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<v Speaker 3>Amber alert, she realized she had seen Stephen in her

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<v Speaker 3>convenience store at around nine am on the morning of

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<v Speaker 3>February fifteenth. Now, this would have been around two hours

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<v Speaker 3>after Audrey missed her bus. She said she definitely remembered Stephen,

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<v Speaker 3>because he's, in her words, so ugly. It's a face

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<v Speaker 3>you don't forget. So because of this quick work by

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<v Speaker 3>the police in issuing the amber alert and the vehicle

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<v Speaker 3>of interest, the gas station attendant called the police. Police

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<v Speaker 3>came in and they were able to pull the gas

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<v Speaker 3>station video. Again, this is a great thing because we

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<v Speaker 3>know in so many of these cases sometimes law enforcement

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<v Speaker 3>waits too long and the footage has been deleted or

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<v Speaker 3>taped over. Police were also able to obtain social media

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<v Speaker 3>information from Stephen. Later that night, the evening of February fifteenth,

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<v Speaker 3>Stephen or someone using his account posted as Faiseo page.

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<v Speaker 3>Stephen was selling a lot of stuff. According to KPRC two,

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<v Speaker 3>whoever posted those messages wrote all must go. This included

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<v Speaker 3>a set of weights with one of the weights missing,

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<v Speaker 3>an everlast boxing bag, and a green paddle and the

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<v Speaker 3>total for all these items was twelve hundred and thirty

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<v Speaker 3>four dollars. So I have a couple of questions about this,

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<v Speaker 3>like what did he do with the twenty five pound weight?

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<v Speaker 3>Why was that missing? Was it just a coincidence that

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<v Speaker 3>Audrey's body was weighed down? Is that weight somewhere random

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<v Speaker 3>or could it be in the river too. I'm sure

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<v Speaker 3>that much more information will come out about what actually

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<v Speaker 3>happened to Audrey as we get closer to a trial

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<v Speaker 3>or a plea deal. As of now, Don Stephen Cunningham

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<v Speaker 3>is in the Polk County jail. So we've talked about

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<v Speaker 3>the good news, how law enforcement has said, how vital

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<v Speaker 3>citizen information and footage was in helping in the search

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<v Speaker 3>for Audrey and the criminal investigation in this case. And

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<v Speaker 3>now we're going to get to the bad news because

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<v Speaker 3>the reality is, yes, the guy was caught quickly, but

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<v Speaker 3>an eleven year old girl is dead, and the fact

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<v Speaker 3>that this was allowed to happen, that she was allowed

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<v Speaker 3>to be taken care of for so long by this

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<v Speaker 3>sexual predator, just shows, in my opinion, how she was

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<v Speaker 3>failed by so many people on so many levels. We've

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<v Speaker 3>seen this over and over in past cases, with the

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<v Speaker 3>Cass County three, with Christina Pipkin's case, how there are

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<v Speaker 3>sexual predators who were allowed to interact with children. And

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<v Speaker 3>it's too late for little Audrey, but there are so

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<v Speaker 3>many other children out there who can be helped. Stephen's

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<v Speaker 3>former victim, Carrissa Gates, who was attacked by Stephen when

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<v Speaker 3>she was ten years old. The one who bravely shared

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<v Speaker 3>her story wrote something at the bottom of her Facebook post.

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<v Speaker 3>She wrote, I'm not the only victim, and that's the

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<v Speaker 3>terrifying part. There are so many other victims out there,

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<v Speaker 3>as many of you know. I'm all about calls to

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<v Speaker 3>action on this podcast. So many people always ask what

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<v Speaker 3>can I do? And I'm reading a lot of these

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<v Speaker 3>social media comments and people are leaving bouquets of flowers

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<v Speaker 3>or photoshopping angel wings onto Audrey, or suggesting painting a

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<v Speaker 3>bridge or a park bench in her honor. And don't

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<v Speaker 3>get me wrong, those are all lovely sentiments, but for me, honestly,

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<v Speaker 3>if you want to do something to help victims, my

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<v Speaker 3>suggestion is that you take a hard look around your family,

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<v Speaker 3>your friends, and your community and look for situations where

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<v Speaker 3>children could be at risk, because they are everywhere. Let's

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<v Speaker 3>not wait to drag a body out of a river

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<v Speaker 3>before other victims of sexual assault are helped and these

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<v Speaker 3>predators and potential killers are exposed and put behind bars

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<v Speaker 3>where they belong. I'm Catherine Townsend. This is Helen Gone

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