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Speaker 1: Welcome into another episode of Overtime here on the Colts

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Speaker 1: Audio Network. I'm JJ Stankomitz, joined by Casey Valier and

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Speaker 1: Bill Brooks as we break down the final day of

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Speaker 1: the NFL Draft and the selections the Colts made. If

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Speaker 1: you didn't catch the first episode of Overtime that came

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Speaker 1: out on Friday, that's with Metro and Rick Venturry exactly

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Speaker 1: What's wrong with you? Come on? Yeah, I listened to it.

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Speaker 1: It was great. It was very interesting talking about the

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Speaker 1: Colts draft picks of Alec Pierce, Jelani Woods, Bernard Ryman,

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Speaker 1: and Nick Cross. Those are all made on Friday. But

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Speaker 1: we are here Casey, Bill and I to talk about

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Speaker 1: the four selections the Colts made on Saturday on Day

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Speaker 1: three of the draft. That would be Missouri State defensive

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Speaker 1: tackle Eric Johnson with one hundred and fifty ninth pick

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Speaker 1: that was in the fifth round. In the sixth round,

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Speaker 1: one hundred and ninety second overall Youngstown State tight end

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Speaker 1: Andrew Ogletree. Also in the sixth round, a two hundred

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Speaker 1: and sixteenth overall Cincinnati defensive tackle Curtis Brooks, and in

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Speaker 1: the seventh round two hundred and thirty ninth overall Yale

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Speaker 1: cornerback Rodney Thomas. The second the thing that stands out

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Speaker 1: to me about these picks, which goes back to Friday,

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Speaker 1: but specifically on day three, is that the Colts once

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Speaker 1: again use these picks to bet on high end traits.

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Speaker 1: You look at what you know these I don't know

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Speaker 1: if you know, you've been on Twitter and you've seen

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Speaker 1: these like RAS scores, the relative Athletic spore, and they

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Speaker 1: are like off the charts, Like the lowest one was

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Speaker 1: like a nine point one, nine out of ten for

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Speaker 1: every single player of the Colts drafted. It's crazy just

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Speaker 1: how athletic these guys are when you look at Johnson, Ogletree, Brooks,

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Speaker 1: and Thomas. Though, Bill, I want to start with you

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Speaker 1: on this. What stands out about just the the overall

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Speaker 1: strategy that the Colts took here on day three. Well,

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Speaker 1: I think the strategy was to get the best athletic

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Speaker 1: guys they possibly get. And when you get those type

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Speaker 1: of guys on your team, it makes it easier for

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Speaker 1: the coaches to teach those guys the proper techniques because

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Speaker 1: and quicker for those guys to be put in to

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Speaker 1: the system, to play the system, to go out there

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Speaker 1: and perform in a game. So it's going to give

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Speaker 1: these guys an opportunity to compete for a job in

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Speaker 1: a position on the team. Casey, When when you look

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Speaker 1: at just the positions the Colds drafted, I think sometimes

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Speaker 1: we get a little bit too caught up in oh Man, like,

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Speaker 1: you know, they drafted two defensive tackles, and they drafted

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Speaker 1: another tight end after drafting Gilani Woods, and you know,

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Speaker 1: they draft this versable defensive back. But when you're looking

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Speaker 1: at these guys, you're you're talking about important depth pieces

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Speaker 1: and special teams players who have some upside. Is that

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Speaker 1: kind of you know, if you're thinking about the positions

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Speaker 1: that the Colts took, is that sort of how you

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Speaker 1: view it here? No, absolutely, I completely agree with that.

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Speaker 1: I think one of the things that we talked about

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Speaker 1: ins here and there, and then also kind of stuff

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Speaker 1: Once you kind of find in those those first couple rounds,

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Speaker 1: you find those areas of you know, whether you want

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Speaker 1: is kind of best player available. You look at the

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Speaker 1: scouting comes. So it's so pivotal and so key because

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Speaker 1: one of the things that you actually asked Chris Ballard

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Speaker 1: your needs today you know they're going to be different tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: So you never can have too many a one position.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, you look at it and you go, you've

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Speaker 1: got DeForrest Bucker, You've got Grover Stewart, and you just

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Speaker 1: drafted two more defensive tackles. I don't think to look

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Speaker 1: at it that way. They're just looking at depth and

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Speaker 1: who the best player at that spot is. And that's

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Speaker 1: Ogletree because he's a guy who he played wide receiver

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Speaker 1: views himself as a ball of clay for the Colts

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Speaker 1: coaches to mold. But Bill, you play, you played wide receiver.

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Speaker 1: core tenant of Chris Ballard's roster building strategy. Last guy

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