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Speaker 1: Hello everybody, Welcome back to the show. Welcome back to

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Speaker 1: the podcast, new listeners, old listeners. Wherever you are in

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Speaker 1: the world, it is so great to have you here.

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Speaker 1: Back for another episode, as we, of course break down

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Speaker 1: the psychology of our twenties. Today's episode has a little

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Speaker 1: bit less to do with psychology and more so to

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Speaker 1: do with the twenties component. Our health in our twenties

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Speaker 1: is kind of a little bit of a black box.

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Speaker 1: We have a general understanding of how to be healthy

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Speaker 1: and how to be well, but there is kind of

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Speaker 1: a mystical nature to exactly what we should be doing,

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Speaker 1: what we should be eating, what we should be consuming,

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Speaker 1: how much exercise we should be doing, what is the

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Speaker 1: right balance to strike between having fun and taking care

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Speaker 1: of ourselves. And there's a lot of lingering health questions.

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Speaker 1: How are the behaviors that I am performing now going

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Speaker 1: to show up in my health in twenty years? Is

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Speaker 1: that something I should even care about? Simple answer is yes.

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Speaker 1: But if you have ever wanted to just sit down

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Speaker 1: with a doctor and say tell me what to do,

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Speaker 1: tell me where to start, tell me where to go,

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Speaker 1: today is that perfect opportunity. I had the absolute pleasure

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Speaker 1: of getting to interview and talk to a leading medical professional,

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Speaker 1: a leading doctor, doctor Mark Hymen, on all of the

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Speaker 1: best health tips he would personally recommend for people in

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Speaker 1: their twenties without further ado, Doctor Mark Hymen, it's so

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Speaker 1: nice to meet you. Can you introduce yourself to the audience?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Hi, everybody, it's doctor Mark Hyman. I'm a physician.

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Speaker 2: I'm a practicing doctor, a sort of advocate and practitioner

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Speaker 2: of functional medicine. I'm an author written fifteen y York

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Speaker 2: Times bestselling books and basically folks on addressing the root

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Speaker 2: causes of disease rather than just treating symptoms. I spent

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Speaker 2: my whole career helping people optimize their health through food,

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Speaker 2: is medicine, lifestyle changes, cutting edge science, and my goal

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Speaker 2: is really to help people live longer, healthier, more vibrant

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Speaker 2: lives and understand how their bodies work and give them

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Speaker 2: the basic manual for their body which they didn't get

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Speaker 2: when they were born, and understand when you understand how

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Speaker 2: it functions and functional medicine, you can make it function better.

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Speaker 2: And that's really the whole goal here.

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Speaker 1: I love that they didn't get they didn't get the

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Speaker 1: guidebook when they were born, certainly didn't get it in school.

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Speaker 1: I feel like people are still kind of scrambling for

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Speaker 1: how to look after their bodies. And that's why we

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Speaker 1: all get pulled in different directions by different information. But

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Speaker 1: some things are definitely certain about what's good for our health.

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Speaker 1: Can you give us like a little list of what

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know it's it's I always joke that

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Speaker 2: I get paid a lot of money to tell people

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Speaker 2: do the most obvious simple things at work, and I

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Speaker 2: don't know why we don't realize, like we spend millions

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Speaker 2: just the perfect food for our dogs or cats, and

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Speaker 2: we understand that we shouldn't feed the McDonald's and a

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Speaker 2: big fries and a coke, but we feed them to

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Speaker 2: I mean it takes dodge of the park if you

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Speaker 2: of what's good, except somehow we think because we're humans,

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Speaker 2: You know, our bodies are biological organisms. We need to

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Speaker 2: treat them with a respect and when you give them

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Speaker 2: get them enough rest and relaxation of the nervous system.

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Speaker 2: When you get enough sleep, because there are different things

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Speaker 2: our diet or our in our food, then that provides

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Speaker 2: other piece I would say that often isn't including these

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Speaker 2: of community, the power of connection and belonging and meaning

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Speaker 2: and purpose, which are more kind of squishy. You can't

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Speaker 2: That doctors don't know how to do anything about optimizing health.

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Speaker 2: If you go to your doctors say I want you

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Speaker 2: to help me create health, they're going to be very confused.

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Speaker 2: You know, come back when you have symptoms, you're add

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Speaker 2: a disease. I don't know you're testifying. I can't find

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Speaker 2: with you and they're missing something. You know, there's a

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Speaker 2: they have these subtle imbalances or dysfunctions that we're seeing.

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Speaker 2: Actually with my new company I co found and called

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Speaker 2: functional Health, where we actually can see the level of

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Speaker 2: And I, you know, I was just saying, you know,

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Speaker 2: she that's so funny. Yeah, but they just just don't

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Speaker 2: And basically, you know, at any point in life, you

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Speaker 1: This really, listening to you say that is just it's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And the truth is, you know that the of

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Speaker 1: Hm. You know what the perfect example of this I

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Speaker 1: What do you think is one thing that people in

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Speaker 2: Well, I think one. I think you know, all the

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Speaker 2: behaviors around what you eat, exercise, sleep, stress management are critical.

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Speaker 2: They want to party, they want to sleep all night,

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Speaker 2: can get more done or they're more functional or can

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Speaker 2: be more productive. But at the end of the day,

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Speaker 2: they're borrowing off their future self and that causes low

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Speaker 2: grade inflammation. Immuneis regulation can increase your risk of cardi

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Speaker 2: spiders for them. Yeah, occasionally, if you want to have

431
00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:05,520
Speaker 2: a drink and you're otherwise healthy, if you have a

432
00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:08,480
Speaker 2: tequila or glass of red wine, you know, every few weeks.

433
00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,240
Speaker 2: I don't think it's an issue. It's the consistent, steady

434
00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:13,080
Speaker 2: use over time that's the problem.

435
00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:16,120
Speaker 1: And you feel it, like when I was in college,

436
00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,840
Speaker 1: I felt it like I feel healthier now than I

437
00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:23,760
Speaker 1: did at eighteen because I don't drink as much. I

438
00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:27,440
Speaker 1: just think there are other ways, healthier ways of achieving that,

439
00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:32,960
Speaker 1: even like new tropics like as well also amazing, even

440
00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:36,800
Speaker 1: just like this is going to sound, just have a

441
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:40,119
Speaker 1: diet coke. I know, we don't want all that process junk,

442
00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,280
Speaker 1: but a diet coke versus binge drinking, or like a

443
00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,720
Speaker 1: coke versus binge drinking. If you want to pick your evils,

444
00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:48,280
Speaker 1: you know, and you still want to feel.

445
00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:49,840
Speaker 2: Like we do that too often either, but yeah.

446
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, maybe you know.

447
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,000
Speaker 2: It is an issue. I mean, you know, I think

448
00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,520
Speaker 2: the advent of the wearables and things like your r ring,

449
00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:02,879
Speaker 2: I think it helped people see how alcoholic harms are sleep.

450
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 2: And I think from my friends and colleagues, it's something

451
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:08,760
Speaker 2: I've heard a lot, like, Oh, I noticed that when

452
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,919
Speaker 2: I got my wearaball, it really affected the quality of

453
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,080
Speaker 2: my sleep, my deep sleep, my rem sleep, my my

454
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 2: heart ivor ability, my nervous system was adversely affected by this.

455
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:21,359
Speaker 2: And then you know, when you when you do that

456
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 2: over and over again, you end up with really damaged

457
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 2: sleep architecture. That lack of sleep leads to, you know,

458
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:30,240
Speaker 2: things like cancer and dementia and heart disease and diabetes

459
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 2: and and and just is bad for your brain. Yeah,

460
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:38,480
Speaker 2: I think it accelerates aging when you drink it can

461
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 2: increase risk of liver disease, got damage that microbiome get

462
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 2: is affected. So it's not It's not something I encourage

463
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 2: people to do much explore some of these other things,

464
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 2: they're not some of them are legal, some of them

465
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Speaker 2: are not. But I'm not going to recommend anybody do

466
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 2: anything illegal. But I think people people can sort of

467
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 2: choose what they want, and that's that's really important to

468
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Speaker 2: understand that there's a renaissance happening.

469
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I love that people can choose what they want.

470
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:04,640
Speaker 1: Like it is still at the end of the day,

471
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 1: your body, your health, your choices.

472
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 2: Just know what you're doing.

473
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 1: I know what you're doing.

474
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 2: Do I have ice cream sometimes? Sure? Do I know

475
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,480
Speaker 2: it's got a lot of sugar and stuff. Yeah? And

476
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:16,680
Speaker 2: am I willing to do that because life with the

477
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 2: ice cream just seems so sad? Yeah? Of course. But

478
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,119
Speaker 2: do I have ice cream every night? No? I mean

479
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 2: do I have it maybe once a month or every

480
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 2: couple of months or twice a year. Yeah, I mean

481
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Speaker 2: I don't really worry about it. If it's in the

482
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Speaker 2: context of overall healthy life.

483
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the eighty twenty rule. We're going to take a

484
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 1: short break here, but we will be back very shortly

485
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 1: with doctor Mark Kymen. So the question everyone always asks

486
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 1: me when it comes to the health in the twenties

487
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:54,200
Speaker 1: is about nicotine. We've talked about alcohol, Let's talk about vaping.

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00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:59,199
Speaker 1: Now this might be let's just get your general thoughts

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Speaker 1: on vaping, because I I know, at least in Australia,

490
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,400
Speaker 1: it was kind of promoted as this way to stop smoking.

491
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I mean it's not a cigarette, so

492
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 2: it doesn't have some of the harmful things that are

493
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 2: in the burning of tobacco, and it's marketed sort of

494
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,920
Speaker 2: a healthy alternative smoking, but it's not safe at all.

495
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:25,360
Speaker 2: The chemicals and bapes cause all sorts of issues, lung damage.

496
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 2: You get serious numinitis and people have ended up in

497
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 2: the hospital and you know, had severe permanent lung damage

498
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:36,160
Speaker 2: from this. It leads to systemic inflammation your body, cardiovascar risk.

499
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:41,639
Speaker 2: Plus nicotine itself is highly addictive. It disrupts your brain chemistry,

500
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,160
Speaker 2: It leads to more anxiety and dependencies. You become addicted

501
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 2: to it and you only feel good when you're taking it.

502
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 2: You know, like a friend said he had a nicotine

503
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 2: spray or a nicotine pack that he put in his

504
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 2: mouth for you know, being alert for something he had

505
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 2: to do. That's fine once in a while, but baping

506
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:02,360
Speaker 2: is not safe. And it also gives us quick dopamine

507
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,360
Speaker 2: spike in the brain, which creates a cycle of craving

508
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 2: and reward. And they're kind of easy, they're socially acceptable,

509
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 2: they've been constantly throughout the day. It actually makes you

510
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 2: probably smoke quote smoke more, which makes the addiction worse.

511
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 2: And so it's it's pretty it's a pretty toxic habit.

512
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,479
Speaker 2: And the key is really you know, looking at how

513
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 2: to how do you get over that? How do you

514
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,920
Speaker 2: kind of stop a vaping addiction or even use of vaping. Well,

515
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 2: you got to support your brain chemistry. You know, you've

516
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,199
Speaker 2: got to get to bake the habit, so get rid

517
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Speaker 2: of the triggers. If your vapist in your pocket, you're

518
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,199
Speaker 2: going to reach for it. Don't believe it there. You know,

519
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 2: you can replace the habit with other habits right, things

520
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 2: like deep breathing or going for a run or chewing

521
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,199
Speaker 2: gum uh. And then also you want to make sure

522
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,680
Speaker 2: you support your brain chemistry. You can take things like tyrosine,

523
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,919
Speaker 2: which is an amino acid. You can you know, you

524
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 2: support your brain chemistry with healthy fats, amino acids from

525
00:26:56,480 --> 00:27:00,199
Speaker 2: protein be Vitamins often very helpful in repleating lot of

526
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,719
Speaker 2: things that get damaged during the use of nicotine. Sometimes

527
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 2: behavioral therapy helps, or nicotine replacements like patches can to

528
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 2: help you sort of transition off. Those aren't permanent, though,

529
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 2: you don't want to keep doing that. But it's definitely

530
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,439
Speaker 2: not safe. It's definitely not safe, and it's not just

531
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 2: I would say it's not even not safe. It's harmful.

532
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 2: It's very harmful. And I've seen many people on patience

533
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 2: with serious issues as a consequence of vaping on a

534
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 2: regular basis.

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00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 1: And that's the things that you don't really see as

536
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 1: much in the media. Rights it's scary, but it's not

537
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 1: something that's like coming to the surface. I was speaking

538
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 1: to someone the other day who was also an empty

539
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 1: also doctor, and I asked him, I was like, oh,

540
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 1: you know, what do you think is going to be

541
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,159
Speaker 1: the thing that we look back and go that was

542
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,640
Speaker 1: such a terrible idea, the same way that we look

543
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 1: at spoky, and he was like, well, it's vaping, and

544
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 1: I have friends who are so addicted to it. I

545
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: had one friend and she has now quit, but she

546
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 1: was telling me this compelling story, compelling slash scary, however

547
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 1: you see it of how she would wake up in

548
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,399
Speaker 1: the morning and the first thought she would have was

549
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,640
Speaker 1: to find her vape and the first breath of air

550
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 1: she would have in the morning was and she would

551
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:15,239
Speaker 1: fall asleep and the same thing. So she and she

552
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 1: was just like it was just every every single day.

553
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 1: I was so addicted to it, and to the point

554
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 1: where she even said when she knew she needed to quit,

555
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 1: was she would wake up in the middle of the

556
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 1: night sweating and feeling like I craving nicotine because her

557
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 1: body literally couldn't even do the seven eight hour withdrawal

558
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: of sleep. And that's just the thing. It's so addictive,

559
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: and it tastes great. They smell delicious, it's fruity. It's like,

560
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 1: what's not to love?

561
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 2: And that's not like a smelly old cigarette and an

562
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 2: ash tree, right, It's.

563
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, And I've even seen this, this strange trend

564
00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 1: of people going back to smoking to get rid of

565
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: their vaping addictions.

566
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 2: Not sure that's a good idea, I know.

567
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 1: So doctor Malkhymen's advice I'm going to paraphrase you is

568
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 1: stop with the vapes. There's no they're not a healthier

569
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 1: They're not a They're not a healthy option, full stop.

570
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 2: They're like a healthy version of smoking. They're healthy version.

571
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 2: It's just creating even different issues, you know, I think

572
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 2: you know, long term, we don't know, but for sure

573
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 2: in the short term. You know, usually people have to

574
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:36,719
Speaker 2: smoke for decades to get permanent lung damage, but vaping,

575
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 2: it can happen very quickly, and it causes this inflammatory

576
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 2: response in the lungs that puts people in the ICU

577
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 2: on ventilators. So you don't hear that, but I hear

578
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 2: that because I'm a doctor. But it's it's quite a

579
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 2: concerning habit, and I would recommend if you're all care

580
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 2: about your health and wellbeing, there's lots of ways to

581
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 2: have fun. There's lots of ways to get dopamine. You know. First,

582
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 2: my favorite dope mean addiction is exercise. You know. It's

583
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 2: like I love to be outside riding my bike, think

584
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 2: Dennis and working hard, sweating. I mean, that just makes me, like,

585
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 2: feel great and you know you can get high without

586
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 2: having to do a bunch of drugs.

587
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, fantastic advice. Let's sake, breath work is breathwork. Let

588
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 1: me just say this, breathwork the first time you do

589
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 1: it in particular, will will make you feel high, drunk, whatever.

590
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 1: Like it's actually it's so insane. I remember the first

591
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 1: time I did it, and now it's quite a regular

592
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 1: part of my routine. I was at this yoga event

593
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: and they brought in this practitioner who does it, and

594
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 1: I remember coming out of it and being like, ooh,

595
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 1: I actually feel so like weal yeah, and I'm so alive,

596
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 1: and I was like, wow, like this, look at my skin,

597
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 1: look at my hands. I was like, when was the

598
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: last time I intentionally breathed? And it's so funny. You're

599
00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: saying you get paid a lot of money to just

600
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 1: tell people really simple things, and what is more simple

601
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 1: to being a human than breath I want to take

602
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 1: a quick pivot.

603
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 2: The first thing we do, and it's the last thing

604
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 2: we do, take a breath.

605
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: There we go. That's going to be the quote of

606
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 1: the day. I think quick pivot. Let's talk about mental

607
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: health for a second, how do you think our mental

608
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 1: health and our physical health intersect in our twenties? What's

609
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: important about that relationship?

610
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 2: It's so huge, and I think there's so many people

611
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 2: that struggle with mental illness, whether it's depression, anxiety, PTSD,

612
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 2: bipolar disorder, or OCD. I mean, the list goes on

613
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 2: eating disorders. And you know, our understanding of mental health

614
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 2: has really changed. I just maybe take a minute to

615
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 2: dive in here because I think it's such an important topic.

616
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 2: But you know, classically in psychiatry, we diagnose people based

617
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 2: on their symptoms, not the causes. So if you're sad

618
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 2: and help listen, help us, and have no interest in

619
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 2: normal activities and can't sleep and don't have sex, don't

620
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 2: want to eat, or you eat too much, whatever, we go.

621
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 2: I know what's wrong with you. You have depression. But

622
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 2: depression is not the cause of those symptoms. It's the

623
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 2: name we give to groups of people who share those symptoms.

624
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 2: And the cause of depression can be many things. That

625
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 2: can because your mother just died, or because your boyfriend

626
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 2: you know, left you, or because something horrible happened. We

627
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 2: kind of taken a completely twisted view of mental health

628
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 2: over the last, you know, one hundred years, and now

629
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 2: it needs to change to not sort of blame the person.

630
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 2: I mean, if you have an inflammation of your joint,

631
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 2: we see a arthritis, We don't. It's not some kind

632
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 2: of moral stain on you. But if we say you're

633
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 2: mentally ill, there's a stigma to it. There's sort of

634
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 2: a moral or sort of you know, judgmental view of this.

635
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 2: It's something wrong with you, right, but as opposed to wow,

636
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 2: this is something that yeah there's something wrong, but it's

637
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 2: not in your head. It might be in your body.

638
00:32:58,160 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 1: Yeah.

639
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 2: That more and more we can start to tease out

640
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 2: these things through lab testing and through medical history. And

641
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 2: that's really why I love hormones playing a big role.

642
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 2: I mean, you can have women know this if they're

643
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 2: going through their menstrual cycles. When women have pre menstrual syndrome,

644
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 2: you know, it's not you, what is it, right, it's

645
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 2: you know, you get depressed, you get anxious, you can't sleep,

646
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 2: your irritable, I mean, and then you know you have

647
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,959
Speaker 2: your period and everything goes back to normal. Clearly, there's

648
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 2: a link between your biology and your psychology, right, Yeah,

649
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 2: and we've missed is that link? And then that's what

650
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 2: I spent a lot of my work doing is helping

651
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 2: to advance both you know, treatments of the physical body,

652
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 2: but also the brain and mental health by really addressing

653
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 2: these underlying causes. So your gut health, your diet, sleep,

654
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 2: exercise is so important in any inflammation from any source,

655
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 2: whether it's environmental toxin, and sometimes it's not your faultimes

656
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 2: it's like you know, you just you know, you're living

657
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,479
Speaker 2: in the place where there's no sun, you don't get

658
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 2: vity in d or you're some doctor recommended you take

659
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 2: an acid, you have locking drug because you have heartburn,

660
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 2: and then you don't have bitamin B twelve where you

661
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 2: don't like fish and you love omega threes, or maybe

662
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 2: you love fish and eat tuna all the time and

663
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 2: you have burkery poisoning. All those things cause depression, right,

664
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 2: and so you kind of have to individualize treatment based

665
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 2: on the root cause. And that's really what we do

666
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 2: at Function Health, That's what I do have been doing

667
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 2: for thirty years with my patients with functional medicine. So

668
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 2: it's a really important moment where our whole psychiatric shift

669
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 2: has happened and just completely flip people upside down. I mean,

670
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 2: you know, right now at Stanford University, it's a whole

671
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 2: department of metabolic psychiatry. Chris Palmer at Harvard has you know,

672
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 2: done a lot of work on this. Wrote a book

673
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,800
Speaker 2: called Brain Energy, very much similar to the book that

674
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 2: that I wrote Ultra Mind Solution years ago about that

675
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 2: was a little bit more in depth around all the

676
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 2: various factors to not just metabolic or mitochondril health. And

677
00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 2: so you know, there's a real understanding now in these

678
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 2: major academic centers that there's a problem with our psychiatric

679
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 2: paradigm and then we need to challenge it. Mayo Clinic

680
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 2: just got three point three million dollars as a donation

681
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,720
Speaker 2: to study the effect of ketogenic diets on mental health

682
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 2: include including things like schizophrenia and bipolar disease and even

683
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,919
Speaker 2: you know, more more mild what's I called mild mild

684
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:26,879
Speaker 2: if you have it, but like you know, not as

685
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 2: serious mental health issues like just depression. So the body

686
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 2: has this amazing way of repairing and healing if you

687
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 2: allow it to, and I think unfortunately we get in

688
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 2: the way with drugs. And Chris Palmer actually did a

689
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 2: you know, tells the story about how we had a

690
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 2: patient with schizophrenia, who we think is one of the

691
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:49,839
Speaker 2: most intractable problems we see and there's no cure for it,

692
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 2: and nobody really quite understands it. And yet, and yet,

693
00:35:55,120 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 2: we really have this incredible understanding that that the brain

694
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 2: is a metabolic organ and that when he said to

695
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 2: this patient of who is schizophrenic, who took drugs that

696
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 2: make them get diabetic and obese, he the patient was like,

697
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:13,240
Speaker 2: I want to lose weight. I don't like being fat.

698
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,439
Speaker 2: And he's like, well, just I don't. And he wasn't

699
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 2: going to see anybody else. He wasn't a nutritionist on

700
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 2: the doctor. He wouldn't go anywhere, and he'd only see

701
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:22,839
Speaker 2: this one doctor. It was a psychiatrist. I don't really know,

702
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 2: but I've kind of heard that, you know, skeithy Genic's

703
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 2: ice might be helpful, and he recommended him for weight loss.

704
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 2: And then you know, it was like the guy came

705
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 2: back and all his voices were gone in his head,

706
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:45,320
Speaker 2: all his schizophrenia symptoms were gone. Yeah, it was pretty

707
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 2: It was pretty remarkable.

708
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Speaker 1: I feel like that's going to be the new wave

709
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 1: of psychology and mental health. But I'm conscious we are

710
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 1: we only have a few more minutes. I want to

711
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: ask you two final questions. Yeah, that's a big one.

712
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 1: You can keep it short and simple, you can elaborate.

713
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 2: That's my favorite flavor of ice cream.

714
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, actually yeah, we'll leave it at the end.

715
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: Mine's boys and Berry. What do you think is the

716
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: biggest risk to our health currently as a population, but

717
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 1: specifically for twenty somethings, specifically for a younger age demographic.

718
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think, you know, we've come sort of

719
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 2: accept our food supply is safe as something that you know,

720
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 2: has been approved by the government, as something that we

721
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 2: shouldn't really worry too much about. But the truth is,

722
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 2: the biggest threat to our species, aside from you know,

723
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 2: the changing climate and nuclear war, is the obese and

724
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 2: diabetes epidemic that's the result of the amount of ultra

725
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 2: processed food that is in the market now in America's

726
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 2: sixty percent of Americans diet, at sixty seven percent of

727
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 2: kids diet. And essentially, think of this food as a

728
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 2: bucket of food that you wouldn't make in your kitchen, right,

729
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 2: You wouldn't make a pop tart or a lunch able,

730
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:14,919
Speaker 2: or you wouldn't make doritos. Or you know, like our

731
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 2: Coca cola. Yeah, I mean maybe I don't gonna make

732
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,919
Speaker 2: I think if you can listen to make French fries,

733
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 2: make them at home, you know, like if you want

734
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 2: to eat something like that. And so we basically have

735
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:30,280
Speaker 2: a food system that is designed to create very cheap

736
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 2: calories because they're subsidized both on the front end with

737
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 2: subsidization of the agriculture and on the back end by

738
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 2: paying for the consequences of people eating that food with

739
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 2: healthcare dollars. But it's it's an ultra processed food. Essentially

740
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 2: is a vehicle for a massive amounts of refined sugar

741
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 2: and refined starch, and it's also the repository of inflammatory oils,

742
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 2: also the repository of additives and chemicals, things like emulsifiers

743
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 2: which wouldn't think about that are almost all processive and

744
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 2: they basically make food a little bit like, you know,

745
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 2: kind of creamy and that thickness that they'll put in

746
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 2: even things like almond milk. You go, that's healthy. But

747
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 2: if you look at the label and there's a multifiers

748
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 2: like gum s guar gum and you know, carriagene and

749
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 2: and these these things that seem like they even come

750
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 2: from natural products. They're harmful. They caused the key gut,

751
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 2: they damage your microbiome, They cause inflammation the body, They

752
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,800
Speaker 2: lead to pre diabetes, they spike insland, they make you hungry,

753
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 2: they cause depression, they cause inflammation. And so you think, oh,

754
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter if I mean drunk food, whatever, I'm

755
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:37,359
Speaker 2: just my weight's okay, it doesn't matter. It does matter,

756
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 2: you know, like you know a lot of times it

757
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 2: will cause you to gain weight and create obesity, but

758
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 2: for some people won't. But it, you know, and of itself,

759
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,320
Speaker 2: it's probably one of the biggest threats to humanity.

760
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 1: M I love that answer, Thank you so much.

761
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 2: And when you when you and when you eat when

762
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 2: you're twentyes, like I can eat anything, like it doesn't matter. Yeah, yeah,

763
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 2: Like I would have grape nuts and ice cream for

764
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 2: breakfast in college.

765
00:39:58,080 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 1: You know, I don't even know what a grape nut is.

766
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 2: It's it's kind of like a healthy ish cereal. It's

767
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 2: like but it's kind of like a you know, it's

768
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 2: a refined grain. Sense. Yeah, And so I think I

769
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 2: think we needed to understand that we're setting the ground

770
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 2: for our future selves. And you don't want your future

771
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 2: self to regret what happened in the past. You want

772
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 2: to set up yourself for success, and that means success

773
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 2: at every level. If you feel like crap. Hard to

774
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 2: be successful in school, it's hard to be successful at

775
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 2: work and pay attention and focus or something called presenteism,

776
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 2: which is being at the job and not on the job.

777
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,320
Speaker 2: It's hard to have a good quality relationships because.

778
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 1: You're just regularly feel gross all the time.

779
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, so there's an immediate dividend. It's not like you're

780
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 2: just doing this for your sixty or seven year old self.

781
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 2: You're doing it for yourself now, so you can feel

782
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,359
Speaker 2: good now and not walk around with what I call

783
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 2: FLC syndrome that's when you feel like crap, or a

784
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 2: more serious version it's called FLS that's when you feel

785
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 2: like shit. So, you know, and those are real things,

786
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 2: and it's important for people to sort of try. And

787
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 2: you know, we created the ten Day Detox diet, which

788
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 2: is really great, and you can go to ten daydtos

789
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 2: dot com just to the number ten day Detox and

790
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 2: it guides you through a program that is just remarkable.

791
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 2: Just read the testimonials. I've done this with tens of

792
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 2: thousands of people over twenty years and essentially takes it

793
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:21,720
Speaker 2: all the bats, that puts in all the good stuff,

794
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 2: and then you see, like, how do you set your

795
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 2: body back to its original factory settings. Do you have

796
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 2: rashes all of your body? Do you have migraine headaches,

797
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,720
Speaker 2: you have your told ballot syndrome, you can't sleep, you're depressed,

798
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 2: whatever the symptom is. There's been a seventy percent reduction

799
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 2: of all symptoms from all diseases when people do this

800
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 2: for ten days. Now, Sometimes people don't get all the

801
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 2: way better because you know, they might its serious, like

802
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:43,839
Speaker 2: they might have lime disease, or they might have mold,

803
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 2: or they might have mercury in their system or some

804
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 2: more significant thing they need to treat. But for most people,

805
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 2: it's like boom, hit the factory reset, and when your

806
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 2: computer's not working, you just restart it and it works right.

807
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,919
Speaker 2: Or an appliance isn't working, you unplug it and plug

808
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 2: it back in, and so sort of like that, and

809
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,360
Speaker 2: then you can decide, oh, this is how I could feel.

810
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 2: I could feel really great. I could cure my FLC

811
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 2: syndrome or FLS syndrome, and you know I really like

812
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 2: ice cream, so I'm gonna I've noticed a dairy causes

813
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,320
Speaker 2: me to have issues, but I don't really care because

814
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 2: if I get pimples and the Russni nose and my

815
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 2: stomach's upset, it's worth the trade off for a once

816
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 2: or twice a month or something, so then you can

817
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 2: be educated about how this stuff's affecting, because most people

818
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 2: have no idea the connection between what they eat and

819
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 2: how they feel, and I think it's so important for

820
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 2: you to make that connection. So that's why I recommend that.

821
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 2: And I also recommend for people to start to learn

822
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 2: about their bodies early on and track it over time.

823
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: We've got one more question. This is the question I

824
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 1: ask all of my guests, what is your biggest piece

825
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 1: of advice for people in the twenties That has nothing

826
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,919
Speaker 1: to do with what we talked about today, so nothing

827
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,720
Speaker 1: to do with physical health, just advice in general.

828
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 2: You know, in my house today, my best friend came

829
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 2: and we met on top of a mountain when we

830
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 2: were eighteen years old, and it's been my best friend

831
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 2: for almost fifty years. And we invest in our friendship,

832
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 2: we invest in time together, we stay current, and I

833
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 2: do this with many people because I think our social

834
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:21,879
Speaker 2: relationships and connections are so important. And I don't mean

835
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 2: like on social media or by text. I mean in person,

836
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 2: deeply connected experiences where you put your phone away and

837
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 2: you show up and you're present in the moment with

838
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 2: people and get the true experience of what it is

839
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 2: to be in connection and community, because that's medicine. And

840
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,320
Speaker 2: I worry that the younger generation is just like stuck

841
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 2: on their phone like this, or on TikTok or Instagram

842
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 2: or you know, chatting with their friends and don't even

843
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:51,360
Speaker 2: know how to pick up the phone to make a

844
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,879
Speaker 2: phone call. I mean, you can FaceTime someone that's okay,

845
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 2: that's better than you know not, but actually in person

846
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 2: time that you invest in is going to pay off

847
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,800
Speaker 2: so much in the future. And I see so much loneliness,

848
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:08,280
Speaker 2: so much isolation. So many people have prioritized their careers

849
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 2: and their work over their friends and their family. And

850
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 2: at the end of the day that you know, in

851
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 2: your deathbed, you're like, you're not going to go, well,

852
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 2: I'm glad I emptied out my inbox, you know, or

853
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 2: you know, I'm glad I did that extra whatever was

854
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 2: at work. You're going to remember those special moments with people.

855
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 2: And you know, I think life is really about creating

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Speaker 2: happy memories and so investing in creating those memories with

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Speaker 2: your friends in your community.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I'm in a hundred percent agreement. I've got to

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Speaker 1: ask what's your favorite ice cream flavor for the paper?

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Speaker 2: It depends, it depends. I had one and now I

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Speaker 2: got a new one. So my previous one was Chunky

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Speaker 2: Monkey Ben and Jerry's. I love Chunky Monkey because I

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Speaker 2: love the banana and the chocolate. I love chunking monkey. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: this is a version of ice cream and to hear

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Speaker 2: America called dan Lewin's and it's kind of a premium

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Speaker 2: ice cream. But they have a Sicilian pistachio, which I

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Speaker 1: So that's so crucial.

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Speaker 2: Those are my guilty pleasures.

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Speaker 1: I'll have to try that next time I'm in the US.

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Speaker 1: But Chunky Monkey is my favorite Ben and Jerry's flavor.

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Speaker 1: And it's not the same as Bnoffi Pie. It's not

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Speaker 1: the same like the Bnuffi Pie flavor. Well, if you

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Speaker 1: made it that, if you've made it this far, drop

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Speaker 1: a comment of an ice cream emoji below so that

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Speaker 1: we know that you know the fun fact of the day.

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Speaker 1: And I just want to thank you again Dr Mark

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Speaker 1: Hymen for coming on the show and for giving us

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Speaker 1: such invaluable advice for free, which is just crazy.

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Speaker 2: My pleasure, my pleasure.

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Speaker 1: I'll link everything below your podcast, and I really recommend

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Speaker 1: Are you still doing health hacks or is it.

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Speaker 2: The dark Drymon's show? And we outcraated the hymen Hive,

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Speaker 2: which is a community where people can actually support each

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Speaker 2: other and change your behavior to you and learn together,

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Speaker 2: and so it's called the Hymen Hive.

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Speaker 1: There's something for everyone. I honestly, I promise you that.

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Speaker 1: and we will talk very very soon.