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Speaker 1: See how you're going to do it right here with

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Speaker 1: this text. People yelling at the sporting events and triggering

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Speaker 1: people and you know, bringing up old emotional wounds. Someone texted,

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Speaker 1: that's how some people. This is how we feel. But

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Speaker 1: I don't want to say week because I'm not one

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Speaker 1: of the week. This is how some people feel listening

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Speaker 1: to some of you talk about this swift chick boy

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Speaker 1: and I have to say, and Jason, You've got very defensive,

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Speaker 1: very quickly dropped it. But there were some people I

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Speaker 1: didn't see it. I saw a fair amount of negative

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Speaker 1: review on this album online over the weekend, and these

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Speaker 1: are from people who purport to be swifties. Now, what

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Speaker 1: I don't know is if they're telling the truth or

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Speaker 1: if they're just rage baiting. But there were a lot

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Speaker 1: of people who were like, man, this this is actually

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Speaker 1: not good, and I don't know, it's like, are you

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Speaker 1: required to say that it is if you're a Taylor

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Speaker 1: Swift fan. I didn't think it was bad my mission.

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Speaker 1: I implied this on Friday morning. I guess I expected

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Speaker 1: more like I thought it was good. Like I thought

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Speaker 1: it was fine, and I'm sure if you're a Taylor

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Speaker 1: Swift fan then you're obviously very excited. It was not bad.

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Speaker 1: Trust me, I've heard artists who crank out albums and

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Speaker 1: which she doesn't really do. She didn't really crank them

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Speaker 1: out per se. But you know, it's not one a year.

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Speaker 1: Was the last time she had a new album three

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Speaker 1: years ago.

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Speaker 2: Fourteen months prior.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it two years ago, so it's not every like

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Speaker 1: six months she's cranking out new albums or whatever. But

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Speaker 1: I didn't feel like it was. I feel like it

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Speaker 1: was garbage and I feel like it was a waste.

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Speaker 1: But I also was I don't know. Maybe I thought

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Speaker 1: there would be like every song would be a banger,

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Speaker 1: and I didn't really feel that way.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, guys, thoughts. I think it's like I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I think this happens every time, like an album comes out.

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Speaker 3: I feel like by her, like people hate it, like

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Speaker 3: reputation for example, like everyone hated it, and then like, however,

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Speaker 3: many years later, now it's like everyone's favorite, Like it's

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Speaker 3: just crazy. But I also think there's like like I

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Speaker 3: said last night, like people just like to hate on her,

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Speaker 3: and so given like the littlest inch of like oh well,

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Speaker 3: one Swift, he didn't like it. So now here comes

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Speaker 3: like everyone posting videos about like it's awful and the

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Speaker 3: writing is awful in this, but then the last album

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Speaker 3: where she was very poetic and whatever, it's like, I

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Speaker 3: don't understand.

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Speaker 1: This is too deep, it's too so it doesn't really matter.

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Speaker 1: It happens every album. I thought it was good. I

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Speaker 1: guess there were parts of that I thought, well, that

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Speaker 1: seems a little beneath her, like some of some of

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Speaker 1: the some of it was a little like not juvenile,

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Speaker 1: but like elementary for someone who I think it gets

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Speaker 1: and then other I thought others was good. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: but I always surprised. I guess to see. But this

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Speaker 1: I just feel like, I feel like it's almost she's

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Speaker 1: a victim of her own success because she's she's so

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Speaker 1: oversaturated that now everybody does everything she does either has

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Speaker 1: to be like, in their opinion, a slam dunk grand Slam,

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Speaker 1: the most amazing thing ever, or it's like ah more Taylor.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, when you're like the biggest touring artists of however

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Speaker 3: many last couple of years or whatever, like you can't

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Speaker 3: keep that up forever, Like that amount of exposure and

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Speaker 3: that many people loving you and being happy with every

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Speaker 3: Like there's just too many people that want to say

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Speaker 1: So all that said, though, she had an amazing weekend,

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Speaker 1: so ha ha ha do you say what I means?

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Speaker 1: I mean, like like like like, could you have a

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Speaker 1: better weekend than Taylor Swift? Tad No, I'll tell you

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Speaker 1: in a minute. Why so she's she listened and just

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Speaker 4: Yle.

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Speaker 5: She's broken eight records since we started talking today.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know what I mean, Like she does

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Speaker 2: not give on right.

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Speaker 1: That's yeah, I'll tell you. Okay, Well sorry, but I

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Speaker 1: guess that was a little surprised to people who claimed

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Speaker 1: getting hundreds of thousands of likes, so it was like,

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Speaker 1: you gotta think somebody agreed with it. I don't know who.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I think she wanted this album to just be light

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Speaker 5: and airy and not so deep, and she said I'm

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Speaker 5: just feeling that way. So you know, she switches it up.

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Speaker 5: She can do everything, in my opinions.

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Speaker 1: We have the results from Jason's NFL picks. I believe

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Speaker 1: this was weak.

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Speaker 2: I don't know who.

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Speaker 1: It was five four or five or giving yeah whatever.

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Speaker 1: It was week five, so you picked even though the

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Speaker 1: game was actually the night before you made your picks,

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Speaker 1: you still didn't pick the right team. I gave you

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Speaker 1: four Niners Rams, you picked the Rams. I believe the

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Speaker 1: four Niners had already won that game when you made

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Speaker 1: your picks. Jason Brown, though, this is Sports Importers of

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Speaker 1: the Stars, VP of sports reporting and sports gambling. But

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Speaker 1: that's the title that shared with Caleb's the president of

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Speaker 1: the sports gambling and then you're just the VP of that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, but let me just go through here.

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Speaker 1: You can tell me, well, how do you do overall?

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Speaker 2: So overall, so far, he's got nine out of fourteen.

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Speaker 5: We're waiting on the Jags Chiefs games.

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Speaker 2: He's not doing bad his parsley though, he did have

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Speaker 5: Who was in a bye week involved in his parslayer,

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Speaker 5: so that was a little hard to get.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I lost a lot of money on that,

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Vikings over the Browns, Broncos over the Eagles, Saints

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Speaker 1: over the Giants, Cowboys over the Jets, because your cowboy

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Speaker 1: nat whatever, Buccaneers over the Seahawks, Commanders over the Chargers,

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Speaker 1: the Dolphins, Titans over the Cardinals, Lions over the Bengals.

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Speaker 1: That that makes a good day for all of us.

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Speaker 1: Run here, Kaelyn's happen. Tayloy Swift is winning and the

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Speaker 1: Lions won so we can all have a nice day.

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Speaker 2: I'm not yelling at the time, not no.

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Speaker 1: No, Usually, it's just she's still yelling at it walking

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Speaker 1: here for some reasons. She's still watching the game here.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: It's weird. Patriots over the Bills. That's that surprised me

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Speaker 1: a little bit. I didn't watch that whole game though.

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Speaker 1: And then you've got Chiefs Jags tonight, which I'm sure

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Speaker 1: you took the Chiefs I can't remember. Let's just here

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Speaker 1: as strong as possible. And then the parslay was what

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Speaker 1: even though he one of the people wasn't even involved

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Speaker 5: So he said that Darnell Mooney would get a touchdown,

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Speaker 5: but he was on a bye week, so maybe in

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Speaker 5: his you know, when he was practicing or in his personal.

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Speaker 1: Kids, maybe on the backyard, there was a simulated touchdown

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Speaker 1: of some kind. Perhaps, Yeah, how did you find Darnell

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Speaker 1: Mooney googling hot football players?

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's what that's exactly what I guessed for sure.

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Speaker 1: You were typing this in chat, GPT.

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Speaker 3: Now, oh well, that's a good idea, GPTs Parsley.

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Speaker 1: This weekend, I can't wait, don't put that on me

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Speaker 1: would be like, wait a minute, he's not playing this week, bro,

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Speaker 1: any of this? What were the other ones?

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Speaker 5: So Taekwon Thornton will have two catches, we'll find out

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Speaker 5: tonight and then Gino Smith will not score it all.

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Speaker 2: And yes, he did not score it all. So you

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Speaker 2: got one part right.

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Speaker 5: We need to find out the second leg tonight and

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Speaker 5: then Darneld Mooney again, is you know drinking coffee at

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Speaker 5: home on.

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Speaker 1: Yes, so you actually typed in hot NFL players and

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Speaker 1: that's how you Okay.

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Speaker 2: It's literally what I guessed until Bella so funny.

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Speaker 1: At least she did it yourself, you research, So here

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Speaker 1: you go, I got it. So here's Taylor Swift's last

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Speaker 1: three days. She's matched Prince in number ones. Taylor Swift

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Speaker 1: is now in the same company as Prince. Back when

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Speaker 1: Purple Rain came out, Prince became the first album to

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Speaker 1: the same time. Now she's repeated the feat. Her latest album,

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Speaker 1: The Life of a Show Growth perhaps you heard about

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Speaker 1: it sold two point seven million copies on its first

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Speaker 1: you had to remember that really says something in a

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Speaker 1: You could just have a subscription and listen to it.

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Speaker 1: Imagine what this would have been back in the day

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Speaker 1: It also became Spotify's most streamed album in a single

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Speaker 1: day in twenty twenty five. On top of that, the

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Speaker 1: song in the Fate of Ophelia became the most stream

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Speaker 1: Taylor Swift the official release party of A Showgirl topped

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Speaker 1: the weekend box office, bringing in thirty three million dollars.

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Speaker 1: And Swift Isn't done, and she announced four new versions

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Speaker 1: she sold online over the weekend. The Billboard chart showed

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Speaker 1: the album and Affelia at number one. And then she

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Speaker 1: dropped a video for Aphelia yesterday. And then you went

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Speaker 1: to the movie theater. You both of you did ye separately. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: badly I needed to be alone, right, you needed to

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Speaker 1: see that, Mike. Yes, So talking about screaming at the scream,

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Speaker 1: I mean, my god, that may have been triggering for

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Speaker 1: some people. What was the movie experience like for you both?

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Speaker 5: I I went to the movies for the first time

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Speaker 5: by my loansome, so that was like a big step

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Speaker 2: I loved it.

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Speaker 5: The guy next to me was also a loane so

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Speaker 5: we kind of like, you know, I felt like I

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Speaker 5: wasn't a weirdo. I forgot my credit card so I

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Speaker 5: couldn't get a frozen coke. But the movie was good.

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Speaker 5: It was just like no big surprises or anything. She

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Speaker 5: see the making of the music video.

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Speaker 2: But I loved it.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I think it's really cool to like ingest

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Speaker 2: I thought it was a cool idea.

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Speaker 1: Was it packed?

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Speaker 2: I wanted to so it wasn't super packed.

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Speaker 7: It says, hey, Kiki, I need your honest opinion because

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Speaker 7: your coworker, you know the history that you and Carrie have.

435
00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:16,240
Speaker 2: You don't think to bring that up over dinner one night.

436
00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:17,720
Speaker 1: Why would you do that to yourself though?

437
00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:20,200
Speaker 7: But then if you don't and your and your friend

438
00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:22,359
Speaker 7: tells me about it, now we're in a worse spot.

439
00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:24,000
Speaker 7: So I don't think I think you're a little dramatic

440
00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:25,520
Speaker 7: by calling off your wed and I will be honest,

441
00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:27,480
Speaker 7: I think this is something that you guys can work through.

442
00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:31,239
Speaker 7: But I don't feel that he was completely innocent by

443
00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:32,359
Speaker 7: not bringing this up.

444
00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:35,080
Speaker 1: You guys with the jury eight five, five, five, nine,

445
00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:36,920
Speaker 1: one one three five coll In textas say number No,

446
00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:39,199
Speaker 1: I don't know why you'd walk into that again. I

447
00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:42,000
Speaker 1: mean because it just it just sort of opens the wound. Okay,

448
00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:46,080
Speaker 1: you know if you're like, so he cheated, he got

449
00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:49,040
Speaker 1: caught or acknowledged it or whatever happened. They went through

450
00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:52,480
Speaker 1: the process, he's been forgiven. She she's good with him,

451
00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:56,359
Speaker 1: they're they're engaged, they're getting married. Everything is fine. So

452
00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:58,160
Speaker 1: why would he sit down and go, Oh, by the way,

453
00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,920
Speaker 1: remember that threat from the past, Remember that that woman

454
00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,520
Speaker 1: with whom I made poor decisions. Yes, she's in my

455
00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:08,480
Speaker 1: life again now every single day, and so nothing to

456
00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:10,199
Speaker 1: worry about here, nothing to see. I just want you

457
00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:12,600
Speaker 1: to know that I don't know. I mean, I can

458
00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:14,879
Speaker 1: see both sides. I can see why you would say something.

459
00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:17,439
Speaker 1: I can very much see why you would not. But

460
00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:19,000
Speaker 1: you cox, we moved past it.

461
00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,440
Speaker 2: Go on to the holiday party, you know, and then

462
00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:23,679
Speaker 2: it's like, oh, what is she doing here? Or what

463
00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:24,560
Speaker 2: is he doing here?

464
00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:26,720
Speaker 7: You wouldn't want your partner to have given you a

465
00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:28,640
Speaker 7: heads up that this person is not working with them

466
00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:29,120
Speaker 7: every day.

467
00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:31,960
Speaker 1: I just think you're asking for problems. I think you're

468
00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,000
Speaker 1: asking for it all to be dug up again. Also,

469
00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:37,600
Speaker 1: but it's already been forgiven and we've moved past it.

470
00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:39,760
Speaker 1: I mean, if he wanted to cheat with this woman,

471
00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:41,240
Speaker 1: he would do it, whether she worked there or not.

472
00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:43,320
Speaker 7: I agree. How do I know you didn't get her

473
00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:44,440
Speaker 7: to get her the job?

474
00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:45,560
Speaker 1: Well, to see, there you go. This is what I'm

475
00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:47,679
Speaker 1: talking about. Here, we go down this rabbit hole. This

476
00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,399
Speaker 1: is the rabbit hole where you're just saying things now, yes,

477
00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:53,760
Speaker 1: and you have no evidence of that, no proof of that.

478
00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:55,680
Speaker 1: He may have had nothing to do with it whatsoever.

479
00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:58,960
Speaker 1: And it doesn't matter because we've already forgiven him for

480
00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:01,639
Speaker 1: the indiscretion. We're trusting him moving forward. This is the

481
00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,320
Speaker 1: only way this works. Except we're not if we're saying

482
00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:05,080
Speaker 1: things like that.

483
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,000
Speaker 7: Okay, But I just don't believe you should withhold information

484
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:09,520
Speaker 7: because you're worried about my reaction.

485
00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:11,440
Speaker 2: Tell me and let me process it.

486
00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,119
Speaker 1: But maybe it would ask if it happened he just

487
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:14,960
Speaker 1: didn't tell her.

488
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, you didn't tell me. Someone else told me.

489
00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:20,919
Speaker 1: But withholding would mean that that you that you asked

490
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:24,840
Speaker 1: and he said no, or that you know, lie no

491
00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:28,480
Speaker 1: because he does. Don't want to go there again because

492
00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:30,360
Speaker 1: this is what happens. And we started asking, a bunch

493
00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:32,679
Speaker 1: of a bunch of crazy things start coming in your brain,

494
00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:36,240
Speaker 1: like oh, well night, now you're you're you're in close proximity,

495
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:38,080
Speaker 1: so you're gonna slip and fall in a meeting and

496
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,080
Speaker 1: stick it in her or something like no, you're not,

497
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,400
Speaker 1: like you know, you're not. You're not going to You're

498
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:48,399
Speaker 1: not going to do that. Hey Marcy, Hello, Hi Marcy

499
00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:51,960
Speaker 1: Kigy's court. You're the jury. What say you?

500
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,239
Speaker 6: Well, what I say is that on one end, I

501
00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:57,160
Speaker 6: do believe she's being a little over dramatic.

502
00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:58,919
Speaker 2: However, he's also.

503
00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:00,600
Speaker 6: Not completely off the hook with this one. I feel

504
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,399
Speaker 6: like transparency is key to rebuilding that trust. I need

505
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:04,639
Speaker 6: the work was done.

506
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:06,840
Speaker 8: For them to forgive and rebuild the trust.

507
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 6: Then, yes, being transparent, he is part of the work

508
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,240
Speaker 6: that everybody put in, So why not bring it up?

509
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 6: Why not say anything? Right, unless somebody has something to hide,

510
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 6: that's the only reason they would keep that valuable information.

511
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 6: I feel like, which give the other person peace of mind.

512
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:21,600
Speaker 9: But yes, she is but traumatic.

513
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 6: I feel like this is something that could take a conversation, clarity,

514
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,359
Speaker 6: maybe another couple of therapy sessions and uh, you know,

515
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 6: work through it.

516
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:31,080
Speaker 4: If the love is there, then just work through the issue.

517
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, all right, thank you, Marcy.

518
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:35,359
Speaker 8: You're welcome.

519
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,400
Speaker 1: Have a good day. Now, I'm here, I'm here, I'm

520
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:42,480
Speaker 1: here in different perspectives here, Hi, Lucy, how you're going guys,

521
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 1: Go morning, Lucy, Good morning. Kiki's Court. So basically peeboard together,

522
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 1: male female there together, and dude cheated with a woman.

523
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 1: Now woman works, and they've moved on. The couple's moved

524
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 1: on the forgiveness and the whole thing, and they're engaged,

525
00:23:56,840 --> 00:24:00,879
Speaker 1: they're getting married. And now the woman that dude cheated

526
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:04,680
Speaker 1: with now works with dude, and and he didn't come

527
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 1: home and just tell her that, And now she's canceling

528
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,639
Speaker 1: the wedding and the whole thing. He didn't necessarily go

529
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 1: back there. We don't think he went back there. We

530
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:13,879
Speaker 1: don't know that she's just mad because this lady's at

531
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:15,879
Speaker 1: work every day and he didn't tell her. What do

532
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 1: you think?

533
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 10: I think what she key said. I mean, he could

534
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 10: have avoided any type of even minor and insecurity that

535
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 10: the girlfriend's going to have, the fiance is going to

536
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 10: have by saying, hey, babe, really quick, super weird. She

537
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,359
Speaker 10: works here, and I know what on happened, just so

538
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 10: you know, and you leave it there and then obviously

539
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 10: she might.

540
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:36,479
Speaker 9: Be on guard.

541
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:38,919
Speaker 10: But I mean, that's what a relationship is.

542
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 9: It's awkward.

543
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:41,359
Speaker 8: You know, you got to get through it.

544
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess, I guess you could. But that means

545
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 1: that you trust that you're not going to continue to

546
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,439
Speaker 1: be penalized for the past, or that you're not digging

547
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:49,960
Speaker 1: up all this stuff again.

548
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,719
Speaker 10: Trust like, hey, I trust that you're working with her.

549
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 10: Thanks for letting me know, person, I was previously.

550
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 2: Married and a lot was withheld, and.

551
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,200
Speaker 10: If it would have just been told to me, he'll

552
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 10: be married.

553
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:02,480
Speaker 9: So let me just tell you that.

554
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 1: See he's screwed up, right, he's screwed up by cheating,

555
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 1: but he I'm guessing he doesn't trust that bringing that

556
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 1: information up is going to result in her going Okay, now,

557
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 1: I remember that we've moved past this, so I'm not

558
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,679
Speaker 1: saying it's her fault at all. But I think the

559
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 1: reason he's not telling her is because he's afraid of

560
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 1: her reaction. And I don't know that he should be

561
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:22,920
Speaker 1: afraid of her.

562
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 8: That's valid, but that's valid.

563
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 10: We all have fears, like if he loves her so

564
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,359
Speaker 10: much and he's like, okay, chardy forgave me once? What

565
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,000
Speaker 10: if his pushes are over the edge? I get all that,

566
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 10: But at the end of the day, like I guess,

567
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:35,919
Speaker 10: we all don't have a handbook on what's right and

568
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 10: what's wrong. But I just honesty. I mean, if he

569
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 10: learns now like, honesty will always win, even if it's

570
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,399
Speaker 10: super awkward, you know you'll feel better at the end

571
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 10: of the day.

572
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 1: Thank you, Lucy, have a good day.

573
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 9: Thanks guys. Adore you, bye, I have.

574
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 4: A bit more.

575
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,119
Speaker 1: I adore you. That's nice thing to say. Fred. I

576
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 1: don't disagree with you often, but Kiki is right withholding

577
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 1: is not telling your partner. You're partners shouldn't have to ask.

578
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,160
Speaker 1: But if your partner does, as you don't disclose, that's

579
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:09,399
Speaker 1: a lie. I guess what I mean is if she

580
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 1: asked me and I lied, But like, what are you

581
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 1: asking about this woman constantly? Because again, we supposedly moved

582
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 1: on here. That's the biggest part of this. I'm not

583
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 1: saying forgiveness is easy, but she forgave him. There should

584
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,919
Speaker 1: be zero penalty for whatever happens moving forward. If she

585
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 1: forgave him and he's holding up his end of the

586
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 1: bargain and there's trust. For whatever reason, he thought he

587
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 1: would be penalized for bringing this up again. And I'm

588
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 1: not saying that that's that she did anything wrong, but

589
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,640
Speaker 1: I just think like he doesn't want he doesn't want

590
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 1: that smoke anymore.

591
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 7: I understand what you don't want, but you brought the

592
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 7: smoke in the house, and so I need to know

593
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,400
Speaker 7: that there's a new fire before and I need to know.

594
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:45,640
Speaker 1: But there isn't a new fire.

595
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:47,640
Speaker 2: Oh, it's a fire. The house is on fire.

596
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 1: Beare hey, Christina? Hi, good morning, Hi, good morning.

597
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 4: Hi.

598
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 1: It was Kicky's court. You're the jury, what say you?

599
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 9: Okay? So I just called ben Jos's a couple of

600
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 9: months ago, called off my wedding because I found out

601
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 9: my fiance was cheating on me. I mean, that's his

602
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:21,719
Speaker 9: life and kinda the worst, but for her, like I

603
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 9: tried to make it work too. And then you just

604
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 9: find out new information and though it's old information to them,

605
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 9: it's new information to you. And when you try to

606
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 9: have moved past like the cheating, the cheating is always there,

607
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,360
Speaker 9: but the transparency is what helps gets you through it.

608
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 9: And if he's nothing transparent, especially about this person he

609
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 9: cheated with now working with him, like he's completely.

610
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 11: In the wrong.

611
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 9: That is, she has every right to be upset about that,

612
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 9: because omission of information is lying.

613
00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 1: But we're implying here, we're projecting onto him that this

614
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 1: is automatically a problem, that any overlap between these two

615
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:08,679
Speaker 1: is going to be an issue. And this is a

616
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 1: guy who I don't know why we're not giving him

617
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 1: the benefit of the doubt. And again, the only reason

618
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,159
Speaker 1: I would say this is because he screwed up for

619
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: how Connery came clean and she chose to forgive him.

620
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 1: What I cannot stand is situations where I forgive you,

621
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 1: but I'm going to it's going to be an issue

622
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 1: for the rest of our lives. Well, then you didn't.

623
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: Then you didn't because this guy's got to have a

624
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,399
Speaker 1: chance to redeem himself and you don't know him that,

625
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 1: by the way, But if you give him that, then

626
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,679
Speaker 1: he can't be And I'm assuming he was afraid to

627
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: tell her.

628
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 9: As he should be, but he lost the benefit of

629
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 9: the doubt once he je did a couple of years ago.

630
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 9: So whatever you don't tell her, she has all the

631
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 9: right to be obsessed.

632
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 1: I would agree that he doesn't need to fear her

633
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,479
Speaker 1: reaction if in fact, he's living up to his end

634
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 1: of the bargain. So I don't know. I guess I

635
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 1: under said exactly what you're.

636
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 9: Saying, living up to his end of the.

637
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: Bargain because we have to, because we because we forgave

638
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: and we're trusting now, or we're not. And you again,

639
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say one more time, you don't owe anyone

640
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: that you don't have to do that, But then break

641
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 1: up because it'll never work if we're constantly living in

642
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 1: a world where this person's a threat. Yes, that's all

643
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: I'm saying about.

644
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 9: She found she found out, So that is that is

645
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 9: a big deal. If you would have told her up front,

646
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 9: I feel like the transparency would have been more Okay,

647
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 9: let's work through this. But now she found out, so

648
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 9: now it's kind of like for me, I would be

649
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 9: like you lost, You lost any chance of forgiveness or

650
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 9: trying to make it work because you weren't.

651
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 1: Being transparent with Yeah, here's what I would have done, Christina.

652
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: I would have said, I would have come clean if

653
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: this woman comes in my proximity ever again, whether I

654
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 1: see her at the mall or at the car wash

655
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 1: or at Starbucks, or if I see her if she

656
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 1: now works at my business, if if my hands are clean,

657
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 1: I would have been transparent. But if I were to

658
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 1: pay any penalty for that, now we have now get

659
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 1: to decide that I do, though, Kiki, because we because

660
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: when you forgive someone and you move on, that we

661
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 1: can't every time this person's name comes up, where every

662
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 1: time you feel vulnerable, make me pay again. But because

663
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: we're moving forward, how.

664
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 7: I'm going to react if you don't give me the opportunity,

665
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 7: So give me the chance to see how I'm going

666
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 7: to react.

667
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,239
Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is if I if you do

668
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 1: react poorly, beyond a certain point. Now I have issue.

669
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 1: Now I have issue to say. Now, wait a minute.

670
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: I thought if I thought we were moving forward, I

671
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: thought we acknowledged that I screwed up, that I acknowledge

672
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: that we went through the process. So I don't know

673
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 1: I would cover my ass. But I also think I

674
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 1: would have every right if you freak out on me,

675
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 1: to be like now, hold on.

676
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I thought we were good. She may not

677
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 2: freak out on you.

678
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 1: Though, if any right. And he doesn't know that because

679
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 1: you didn't tell her, So I would have said something.

680
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, you let some one else coming to him, So.

681
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 9: He wasn't wrong for not being transferred in the first place.

682
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 9: That's all he was wrong.

683
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 1: I'm telling you what I would have done. Whether I

684
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,239
Speaker 1: what I don't think he's wrong or not, it's up

685
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: to you. But and you think he's wrong, so that's fair.

686
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 1: Thank you, Christina. I'm sorry for what happened to you.

687
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: But onward and upward.

688
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 2: Yep, it's more fishing to see girl a couple.

689
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: You will be okay, Christina, have a good day. Okay,

690
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: by she gonna be fine.

691
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 2: Ready, No she's not ready to.

692
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: Hear it, No, she's not. But that's okay, she's gonna

693
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 1: be fined. Uh, Noel, how you doing good?

694
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 7: How are you?

695
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 8: I love you guys so much?

696
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 4: You getting married than you?

697
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: Are you excited that you're getting married after hearing all

698
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: these kiggies court stories about people doing this and that.

699
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because it's strict in his courting room.

700
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: Well, let me let me just recap here quickly. And

701
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: this is kind of a hard one to recap. But

702
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: we have a couple. The dude cheated three years ago

703
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: with a woman. They moved past it, went through the process,

704
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: she forgave him, therapy, all these different things, and they've

705
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 1: moved forward where they're engaged, and they had a wedding

706
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 1: plant this woman finds out that the woman with whom

707
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: her fiance cheated now works where he does, and he

708
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 1: didn't tell her ye, and so she cancels the wedding.

709
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: I'm saying, that's not I don't think that's fair to

710
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: him if in fact, we truly forgave and move forward. Noel,

711
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 1: what say you?

712
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 8: Okay?

713
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 4: So I'm getting married in two months and found out

714
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 4: that the woman who my fiance cheated on me with

715
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 4: is now working with him every single day and he

716
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 4: did not tell me, I would call the wedding off

717
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 4: because obviously I did forgive you in the past, but

718
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 4: you're still proving to me that I cannot trust you.

719
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 4: Because if you have nothing to hide and we're gonna

720
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 4: be transparent and we're working on trust, you should have

721
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 4: told me in the beginning.

722
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 9: That she's working with you.

723
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 1: And there's the disconnection.

724
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 8: Now if he works late at the office or they

725
00:32:56,240 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 8: go out for a company happy hours, it's gonna crypple you,

726
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 8: like it's going to literally cripple your your mental state,

727
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 8: and you're never going to trust him again. And I

728
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 8: love you, Fred with my whole, entire heart, But no,

729
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 8: my reaction is valid because you chose to not tell

730
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 8: me and you made this whole fire yourself, like you

731
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 8: chose this life.

732
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 4: And that's my reaction is because I can't trust you anymore.

733
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: I don't think this woman coming in my proximity three

734
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 1: years later or whatever makes me untrustworthy for not wanting

735
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 1: to open that wound again again, what would I do?

736
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 1: I would cover my butt and watch your reaction and

737
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: if you flip off, if you fly off the handle,

738
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 1: then I know where I stand. You haven't forgiven me

739
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: and we have a different problem.

740
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 7: Now, you didn't. She didn't just come in your proximity.

741
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 7: You didn't just see her at the stoplight, bro, I.

742
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 9: Did every day.

743
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm going to give him the benefit of

744
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 1: the doubt. I'm going to give you the best. I'm

745
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: going to because I don't think. I don't think he

746
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: got her the job. I don't think he's out seeking

747
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: her and communicated with her to being close. If he is,

748
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 1: then he should have been forgiven if he knew all that.

749
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 1: The dump is ass. But I don't know. I don't

750
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 1: know how we live in this world. Whereas I forgive you,

751
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 1: but I kind of.

752
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 2: Did the term it's forever.

753
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 1: No one's asking you to forget. But we can't just

754
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,359
Speaker 1: every time you feel like it, just.

755
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 11: Well, I will, but I'm not gonna freak out. But

756
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 11: I just don't want to be the clown in the

757
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 11: background that I didn't know. That's all this really is. Like, yeah,

758
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 11: it might hurt when you tell me, I might throw

759
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 11: a fit. I might, you know, punch a wall, I

760
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 11: might do all these things that I might just do.

761
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 11: The point is, if I forgave you, I'm with you, Like,

762
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 11: let me work through my emotions, but be honest, just

763
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 11: be straight up, like, this is happening at the office.

764
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 11: This person is here. I don't talk to her whatever,

765
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 11: I'm just letting you know she she is in the

766
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:47,280
Speaker 11: office withholding.

767
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 5: Sometimes I feel feels like people are trying to control

768
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 5: the other person's reaction. Yes, fortunately, like you have to

769
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,359
Speaker 5: do the right thing, but be prepared that they might

770
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:56,399
Speaker 5: not react well.

771
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 2: But that's not on you and you can't control that period.

772
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: Thank you. Noell, have a good day. People are blowing

773
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 1: me up. Oh I'm so wrong. I'm strong. I told

774
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 1: you exactly what I would do, and it's the thing

775
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 1: that you want me to do. But what I'm hung

776
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 1: up on is that everyone is in here calling going

777
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 1: see he can't be trusted. What do you mean he

778
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 1: didn't do anything, but see what you're doing. But you're doing.

779
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: The thing I'm talking about is we've jumped to all

780
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: these conclusions. We don't have any information. We automatically assume

781
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: that this guy went and called her up and he

782
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: was like physically humping her and was like, I'm going

783
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 1: to get you a job. I'm gonna get you a job.

784
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: I gotta be next to you every day, So I

785
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: can physically hump you some more. I'm humping you.

786
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 2: See, it's physically humping guys.

787
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,319
Speaker 1: This is what I mean. You guys are saying. You

788
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 1: guys are telling me I'm wrong, But you're saying that

789
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: you're you're jumping to all the conclusions that concerned me.

790
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 7: And you told me the conclusions would not be there

791
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:56,800
Speaker 7: because I would have you on FaceTime at work all day.

792
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 1: And then Calin's point is true, is I think he's

793
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 1: probably a we not telling her because of this.

794
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 2: Yes, I understand, but that's something to him. No, but

795
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:06,720
Speaker 2: that's up to me. I get to choose how I react.

796
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 11: I don't care what's fair to you.

797
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: So you guys are saying me, you're saying all the

798
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 1: things that I'm saying would prevent, would prevent a lot

799
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:20,359
Speaker 1: of people from going back there. That's it, Hey, Jill, how.

800
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 3: You doing it?

801
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 1: I Hi, Jill. I'm gonna give you. The final sake

802
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 1: is I got to move on? What do you think?

803
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 9: All right? So, I mean, I'm all about this forgive

804
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:34,439
Speaker 9: and forget because I've done it. My ex husband left

805
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 9: me twice for the same woman. He's now happily married

806
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 9: to her, and I'm happily with someone else. So it

807
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,760
Speaker 9: worked out for the best good. And I will say

808
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 9: I forgave and I forget, and he didn't tell me

809
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 9: when she came back into his life, and I said,

810
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 9: you know what, I forget. It's okay, it didn't work out.

811
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 9: Bred he should have been honest with her. If she's

812
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:58,240
Speaker 9: back in his life in any capacity. Now, those terms

813
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 9: have changed. She forgave and forgot, she was gone, the

814
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:03,280
Speaker 9: puzzle was removed.

815
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:04,399
Speaker 1: Here's my other question.

816
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 9: Sure comes back into the puzzle. You have to communicate and.

817
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 10: You have to work through it.

818
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 1: I hear all that, and again that's probably what I

819
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,839
Speaker 1: would do in this situation. What I would do and

820
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:18,240
Speaker 1: what and me try me understanding maybe where he's coming

821
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: from her Two different things. But okay, So I come

822
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 1: home and I tell you, Hey, this woman who who is?

823
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 1: I caused you amends I did it? She didn't. I mean,

824
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 1: she was part of it. But I was married to you.

825
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: I'm the or I'm with you. I made the commitment

826
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: to you. I cause you great pain by being with

827
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 1: this woman is now is now in my presence every

828
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 1: day at my work. What am I putting you? And again,

829
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: I'm assuming that you're going to dislike that. Most people would.

830
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 1: But now now you get to relive all of that,

831
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 1: and for what Because I'm just assuming this guy's not

832
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 1: going back there now. If he is, we have a

833
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 1: whole different problem. But if we forgave him and we

834
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 1: trust him, then we're assuming that until we find out

835
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: otherwise that he is not. But now every day when

836
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: I go to work, you get to re live this

837
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 1: until you don't. And I'm saying that's not fair to

838
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 1: her either.

839
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 9: No, it isn't. But isn't it worse? Isn't it so

840
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 9: much worse that she does go to the holiday party,

841
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 9: like someone said, goes to the holiday party and this

842
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 9: person's been working there for almost a year. You at what,

843
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 9: at some point found out this person had been sleeping

844
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 9: with your partner?

845
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 1: I know, But is it worse when you find out

846
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:25,399
Speaker 1: he didn't he wasn't doing anything.

847
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 9: Or better, you're back too, he cheated on you behind

848
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:28,399
Speaker 9: your back.

849
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,280
Speaker 1: But we're assuming he's not doing anything now just because

850
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 1: she's there.

851
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 9: Yeah, I don't know, sure, just because she's there, but

852
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 9: that it's the sense of betrayal that he's now reignited

853
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 9: by withholding the impromation I.

854
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 1: Hear, I hear all of this. I think he's Dan

855
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: if he does, and Dan if he doesn't. In this, honestly,

856
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 1: i'd probably you know what I'd do, I'd get another job.

857
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 2: I quit my damn jo.

858
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:51,839
Speaker 1: I quit my damn job.

859
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 9: Sounds terrible.

860
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 1: I'm moving. I work at Wendy's now more important forget

861
00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:00,879
Speaker 1: Taco Bell. I've moved on. Jill, Jill, Jill, I don't

862
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 1: work there anymore. We're fine. I quit.

863
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 4: Jill.

864
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:10,439
Speaker 1: I don't know what you say, but have a good day, Jill,

865
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 1: Thank you for calling. Love you. I love Jill.

866
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 11: Now I'm throwing your hand at the holiday party with

867
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 11: that shrimp cocktail.

868
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Speaker 1: Come on going to the holiday party because I don't

869
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: work there.

870
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, tell me and then now get a

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Speaker 2: job there.

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Speaker 1: Now three of us call, Here we go, Here we go.