Speaker 1: Hey, this is Brian Alvarez and this is today's edition
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Speaker 1: am back here today, and I got a lot to
Speaker 1: talk about. Is it true that Mike SIMPERBB reviewed NXT
Speaker 1: in three minutes yesterday? Don't even tell me that's true,
Speaker 1: because man, if only had time to get revenge, I would.
Speaker 1: But you see, it is Thursday, year in the show,
Speaker 1: and so we got lots to talk about. Gotta go
Speaker 1: over the aw Dynamite show from last night and that
Speaker 1: builds towards rampage and also collision, And we gotta talk
Speaker 1: about collision because the week two ratings are in and
Speaker 1: there's a big drop, but that was pretty much to
Speaker 1: be expected. But the thing to talk about now is, well,
Speaker 1: with that big drop, what do we got coming up next?
Speaker 1: And granted it's only Thursday. We have a couple of
Speaker 1: more a couple of days left to announce more. But man,
Speaker 1: this is not much of a lineup right now, and
Speaker 1: so we'll talk about that. And we have also got
Speaker 1: some notes on the gold Rush of viewership. We've got,
Speaker 1: as noted there, the Dynamite review, and we have a
Speaker 1: special guest who's coming on the show here today, our
Speaker 1: own Brian Rose is going to join us in the
Speaker 1: second segment of the show, the second long segment, because
Speaker 1: he is here to talk aw Fight Forever. Have you
Speaker 1: played this game? I think it's out today, right, and
Speaker 1: so he is going to come on. He seems surprised
Speaker 1: in the chat, but too bad. You're booked, Brian. He's
Speaker 1: gonna come on today and he's gonna talk about the
Speaker 1: video game. So if you're interested in hearing about that,
Speaker 1: have we got the show for you today. Should also
Speaker 1: have time for some text messages for five seven eight
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Speaker 1: seven eight zero seven five sixty six. I am Brian
Speaker 1: Wrestling Observer dot Com at Brian Albarez on Twitter and
Speaker 1: Mike Simber BB's at SIMPERVB. So kick it off. After
Speaker 1: the break, stick around everybody, Observer Live. All right back
Speaker 1: here on the show. Brian Alvarez here Wrestling Observer Live.
Speaker 1: Mike Simper Vid also Wrestling Observer dot Com. And Uh,
Speaker 1: you're in big trouble, mister.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, is it true?
Speaker 1: Is it true? Three minute? It's on the NXT review yesterday.
Speaker 1: That's the rumor I heard. Three minutes, that's the rumor
Speaker 1: I heard.
Speaker 2: Well, they lied to you. Where'd you hear that rumor?
Speaker 1: I can't remember where I heard it, but they were like, lol,
Speaker 1: Mike went through all of NXT in three minutes.
Speaker 2: There's nothing nothing I can do in three minutes, Brian,
Speaker 2: you know this.
Speaker 1: This guy says more like two minutes forty five seconds.
Speaker 2: Oh wall you stopped. That's what they said right here,
Speaker 2: fourteen minutes, a full third segment of the world famous
Speaker 2: NXT review, and it was fantastic.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I don't listen to your ship, so
Speaker 1: I'll just trust you.
Speaker 2: I'll believe me.
Speaker 1: I know I won't do it again today, but I do.
Speaker 1: I do have stuff to talk about here.
Speaker 2: Haven't listening to rumors gotten you in enough trouble?
Speaker 3: Sir?
Speaker 1: You know what's silly? Is this you know, everyone freaked
Speaker 1: out kind of about the Collision rating even though it
Speaker 1: was down, But I mean, you know, who was expecting
Speaker 1: to do a million? I wasn't. I mean, I thought
Speaker 1: it was going to drop in the second week because
Speaker 1: every show drops in week two. And was it a
Speaker 1: great number? Well, certainly not. Was it the end of
Speaker 1: the world. I don't think he was the end of
Speaker 1: the world, but I am. I am interested in the
Speaker 1: fact that they had a sizeable drop for week two
Speaker 1: and as of yesterday, As of yesterday on aw Dynamite,
Speaker 1: as of this morning, this is the Collision lineup for
Speaker 1: this coming Saturday. We have got MGF in action, no
Speaker 1: opponent listed, He's just gonna have a match. We have
Speaker 1: got Chris dad Lander and Lady Frost for the TBS title,
Speaker 1: and we have three Owen Hart Tournament matches. We have
Speaker 1: Joe versus Strong, Smode, Joan Roderick Strong, Powerhouse Hobbs and
Speaker 1: Dustin Rhodes and Ricky Starks and Juice Robinson. And nothing
Speaker 1: against any of these matches, Okay, but there is no
Speaker 1: advertised appearance by cmpunk, there's no FTR, there's no Jay White.
Speaker 1: I mean, they could announce this stuff. You know later on.
Speaker 1: But I'm I'm pretty surprised this is the lineup for
Speaker 1: week three because to me, I mean, you can't really
Speaker 1: do it forever. But I mean, you're kicking off a
Speaker 1: new show and this should be like boom boom boom
Speaker 1: boom for a while. And you know, I'm certainly do
Speaker 1: not report all right Sunday game. I'm not saying that
Speaker 1: at all. I'm just saying, you know, we're three weeks
Speaker 1: in and I thought we'd have a much bigger card
Speaker 1: for this coming Saturday show because we need to get
Speaker 1: this show on the road, if you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So it'll be interesting. We can add stuff on Rampage,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe there'll be more at it over the
Speaker 1: next couple of days. But it was very interesting to
Speaker 1: see that lineup on Wednesday night.
Speaker 2: Well I hate to say it, but you know, what
Speaker 2: do you want them to do? Because it there is
Speaker 2: a rumor out there that CM punk is going to
Speaker 2: be there for the tapings tonight and maybe they announced
Speaker 2: that on Rampage. I'll be honest with you, if they
Speaker 2: had any inkling of putting him on there, they should
Speaker 2: have announced it last night. Absolutely, But MJF the World Champion,
Speaker 2: the biggest star outside Cmpunk arguably is going to be
Speaker 2: on that show. You have three owen Hart Tournament matches,
Speaker 2: which in theory is a big deal for the company
Speaker 2: to have these three matches on there. So the problem
Speaker 2: is what else can you throw on there where the
Speaker 2: College World Series won't do. It's gonna be tough. And
Speaker 2: I said this yesterday. This is going to be a
Speaker 2: show that I have a feeling varies wildly no matter
Speaker 2: what is on it. To be really honest with you,
Speaker 2: and I could be wrong about this, but you can't
Speaker 2: load that show up as if it's a pay per
Speaker 2: view every single week. You can't. You can't do that
Speaker 2: with all of the shows. Then there's no reason to
Speaker 2: build up the pay per views. Could you add some
Speaker 2: better matches, Could you be more careful about crafting your matchmaking? Sure,
Speaker 2: but I have a feeling they're gonna do shows that
Speaker 2: are loaded for bear that only get like four hundred
Speaker 2: and twenty five thousand. Then you're gonna have shows that
Speaker 2: like Monday we were talking about with Raw where it's
Speaker 2: like they did nothing and it's going to get a
Speaker 2: great number. It seems like we'll see, but it seems
Speaker 2: like Saturday is going to be They're going to be
Speaker 2: a victim of their competition taking place elsewhere, and this
Speaker 2: is going to be a show that again DVR three numbers,
Speaker 2: those three day after numbers, I think are going to
Speaker 2: be just almost as important for WBD and AEW. Obviously
Speaker 2: for fans that are listening that are used to hearing ratings,
Speaker 2: they're gonna plant their flags no matter what. But I
Speaker 2: think it's going to be very tough for them. We'll see,
Speaker 2: but that's my feeling right now, a couple weeks in
Speaker 2: with looking at a very long.
Speaker 1: Well, it is going to be like that. Obviously it's
Speaker 1: going to be like that. But my point is, you know,
Speaker 1: whatever you want to say about the ratings for the
Speaker 1: first week, whatever you want to say about the ratings
Speaker 1: for the second week, whatever you want to say about Sampunk,
Speaker 1: there are a couple of facts, and that is that
Speaker 1: while he did not spike the numbers like Roman Reigns
Speaker 1: has been doing lately. For example, he was in the
Speaker 1: highest rate segment on the first show, and he was
Speaker 1: in the highest rated segment on the second show, and
Speaker 1: he's not even on the third show. I don't know
Speaker 1: if he's filming something like they I guess there's a
Speaker 1: commercial out for the new season of Heels and and
Speaker 1: him and AJ are both on it. But I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, outside of something like that, I mean, why
Speaker 1: is he not on this show? He is the biggest
Speaker 1: draw for Saturday night on Collision, and he should be
Speaker 1: announced for the show. Especially this is the Hamilton show,
Speaker 1: which you know they were struggling or not Hamilton, it's
Speaker 1: where's it Hamilton's Well, yeah, tonight was I think the
Speaker 1: night where they were having a rough time and so
Speaker 1: well they were originally at eight hundred and they sold
Speaker 1: some tickets when he returned. But he's not even advertiser
Speaker 1: right now, so they've they've cut some prices and that
Speaker 1: sort of thing. AJ No, no, no, no, no, anyway,
Speaker 1: they've cut some He should be There's my point exactly.
Speaker 2: And that's the thing. And again there is seemingly some
Speaker 2: people that are now saying that he, yes, he is
Speaker 2: going to be on that show. But again, if you
Speaker 2: he should be announced for every show, it shouldn't. It
Speaker 2: should be no question that CM punk is going to
Speaker 2: be on that show. I would argue FTR and Andrade
Speaker 2: and Miro and those guys. But again I don't know
Speaker 2: as far as getting into Canada, getting outocate all that
Speaker 2: sort of stuff, because this was such a unique week
Speaker 2: why they may not be there. But yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: obviously to me, CM punk should be on every show,
Speaker 2: and frankly, as much as you can get MJF on
Speaker 2: that show to wrestle, cut a promo, have a pre tape,
Speaker 2: do something, you get him on that show as well too. Well.
Speaker 1: The other thing is maybe he is on the show tonight,
Speaker 1: and if he's on the show, then you know there's
Speaker 1: a portion of the audience it's gonna hear about it,
Speaker 1: and then you can advertise it on Twitter or whatever
Speaker 1: in the in the next couple of days. But it
Speaker 1: was if you knew he was gonna be on the show,
Speaker 1: this should have been announced on Dynamite. You're gonna have
Speaker 1: eight hundred and fifty nine thousand, know which you can
Speaker 1: for Dynamite this week, but advertise the match. That's it.
Speaker 1: Advertise that he's going to be there. Anyway. The gold
Speaker 1: Rush Show NXT show six hundred and twenty two thousand viewers,
Speaker 1: which was down twenty percent from when seth Rawlins showed up,
Speaker 1: but they did do a point one seven in eighteen
Speaker 1: forty nine, and that was good for second place on cable,
Speaker 1: and that is what they want. You know, you can
Speaker 1: say whatever you want about whatever, but it actually the
Speaker 1: second place on cable thing is funny because that's like
Speaker 1: a big deal now. But with show Buzz Daily going down,
Speaker 1: we may not get rankings much at all from this
Speaker 1: point forward. We're still gonna get the numbers, but you know,
Speaker 1: the actual chart and everything like that, that's gonna be
Speaker 1: going away. So you know, the key is just going
Speaker 1: to be what's that what's that eighteen to forty nine demo?
Speaker 1: For later on this year when it's time to sign
Speaker 1: a new television deal. They want that thing up. And
Speaker 1: it has been up since they started putting main roster
Speaker 1: talent on the show. And this obviously, you know, Barren
Speaker 1: Corman did. He didn't do as well as seth Rawlins,
Speaker 1: but they did well enough to get a point one seven,
Speaker 1: and you know, there were there were times where they
Speaker 1: would do like a point one point one, a point
Speaker 1: oh eight. I think they did a couple of times.
Speaker 1: So it's a good it's good improvement and it's up
Speaker 1: year over year, and uh wwe you know, this thing.
Speaker 1: The same thing happened. The same thing happened like four
Speaker 1: or five years ago, where they were just, you know,
Speaker 1: everything was down, down, down, down down, and then they
Speaker 1: had like one year where things were good and that
Speaker 1: was the year they had to resign their new deal.
Speaker 1: And then, you know, it's kind of the same thing
Speaker 1: where there had been dips year over year. Look at
Speaker 1: the eighteen to twenty, eighteen to thirty four, look at
Speaker 1: eighteen to forty nine. You know, there was a couple
Speaker 1: of points where over the last few years it was
Speaker 1: down like fifty percent or something like that, and then
Speaker 1: here we are. It's a renewal time and every show
Speaker 1: up year over year it's unearned.
Speaker 2: Sandy about real sports, your contranny year, your contract year
Speaker 2: is always your best year. And then if you're a pitcher,
Speaker 2: you know, then you can go blow your shoulder out
Speaker 2: the next year, get Tommy John surgery because you already
Speaker 2: got paid. But that's kind of the same thing. And
Speaker 2: this is why Nick con has been so obnoxious every
Speaker 2: time you've seen him out there saying, you know, some
Speaker 2: of the most ridiculous things, but hey, it's to whip
Speaker 2: everybody into a frenzy to try to get two times
Speaker 2: the emault.
Speaker 1: Back at the moment Observer Live, you know, so busy
Speaker 1: getting mad at the chat, I didn't get Brian rose on.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna do that right now, So Brian stand by.
Speaker 2: Hold on, I'll let him know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't don't. I'm don't make me. Don't make a chat,
Speaker 1: don't made me switch to YouTube. Okay, don't make me
Speaker 1: all right, just don't okay, golly yeah, let me just
Speaker 1: do this.
Speaker 2: And he good to be back, boss and oh man,
Speaker 2: producer dom and I had a ton we.
Speaker 1: Got we got real good people on the chat. But brother,
Speaker 1: like you just sit here and go. I thought nobody
Speaker 1: wanted to see CM Punk. I thought he was a
Speaker 1: bad brother. Come on, knock it off, Knock that crap off.
Speaker 1: How many times do you have to say I don't
Speaker 1: have a problem with Phil. Phil has a problem with me.
Speaker 1: Everything I've ever said about see him Punk has been
Speaker 1: business related. You're trying to tell me now that you
Speaker 1: think that I said, Oh, no one wants to see
Speaker 1: c M Punk. Why is he on collision crying out loud?
Speaker 1: How about I shift it all right? Forget Phil? What
Speaker 1: was that was the second highest rady? Thing on week one, Mike,
Speaker 1: I can find out real quick. Hold on, I'll tell
Speaker 1: you right now. Good Miro versus Androtte. All right, okay,
Speaker 1: where's Miro on Saturday? He's not advertising? Wait wait wait
Speaker 1: say wait it was and it was Androtte and uh
Speaker 1: who Buddy Matthews. Yeah, and then Miro also was after that.
Speaker 1: But like you know, where they they're no advertisement of
Speaker 1: of Miro, no advertisement on Drade. Like I'm trying to
Speaker 1: help here like this, these are the people that we've
Speaker 1: looked at the rating spattern. These are the people that
Speaker 1: the people want to see see him Punk, Miro, and
Speaker 1: Drade not advertised for this coming Saturday show. They should
Speaker 1: have been advertised. That's my point, goll Lee. I'll say
Speaker 1: it one more time because nobody listens. I don't have
Speaker 1: a problem with CM Punk. My only issue with the
Speaker 1: guy right now is he has convinced you that I
Speaker 1: have a problem with him. I don't. I'm looking at
Speaker 1: this exactly like anybody else would look at it. Is
Speaker 1: the guy a draw? What are the issues? Are people
Speaker 1: upset that he was here or there? Whatever? These are
Speaker 1: all factual statements. I never called him a bad guy.
Speaker 1: Nothing like that. You have created that in your minds
Speaker 1: because something because of something he said on Instagram that
Speaker 1: he then deleted. But knock it off.
Speaker 2: Let me transfer it over to a w here too.
Speaker 1: Brian's waiting, but go ahead.
Speaker 2: It's putting this on CM punk where again. This is
Speaker 2: if he's there, you he should be on. This is aew.
Speaker 2: This is all on aw. You make sure he's announced
Speaker 2: to be on there. He's on every week. There is
Speaker 2: no question about it. It's just whether he's going to
Speaker 2: be talking or wrestling. That's it.
Speaker 1: Brian, you there? I am all right. Do you have
Speaker 1: do you have video? Or what's up?
Speaker 2: Brother? I should have a video?
Speaker 4: Oh here, let me try.
Speaker 1: You turn that camera on?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I turn it on. How's that?
Speaker 1: There? We go? Hey, here's Brian Rose. Everybody. He is
Speaker 1: a moderator here in this chat, and I give you
Speaker 1: permission to lay down the hammer. You gotta what are
Speaker 1: you looking at? Mike? Got it?
Speaker 2: I'm trying to find Brian Row getting it up.
Speaker 1: Calm down right here, fight forever. Let's start with the
Speaker 1: first question here. How does this video game compared to
Speaker 1: Dig Doug my favorite video game of all time?
Speaker 4: Well, it has a little bit more features than Dig Doug.
Speaker 4: It's about it's fun to play. I remember playing Dig Doug.
Speaker 1: Fun game, wasn't it Go? Yeah? And Super Mario Brothers
Speaker 1: also a classic, A classic. Yeah, that's the last game
Speaker 1: I really played. But tell everybody that actually knows anything
Speaker 1: about video games your thoughts on Fight Forever and Hell
Speaker 1: compares some other wrestling games, and your recommendation.
Speaker 4: I recommend people play it. It's like a really really
Speaker 4: fun game. If you've ever played No Mercy on Intail
Speaker 4: sixty four or any of the other WCWWWE games that
Speaker 4: came out on the N sixty four during that time,
Speaker 4: this is pretty much the spiritual sequel to those games,
Speaker 4: so it's super fun to play. It's I even see
Speaker 4: like the same animations and the same you know, the
Speaker 4: same controls as No Mercy, So you're going to be
Speaker 4: playing No Mercy for those that know about it.
Speaker 1: Noah, I don't know any about video games, Brian in
Speaker 1: the last thirty years, but I do know that No
Speaker 1: Mercy among wrestling fans is kind of a legendary game.
Speaker 1: Am I wrong?
Speaker 4: It is the whole virtual pro wrestling kind of gameplay.
Speaker 4: No Mercy Wrestlingia two thousand WCWNWI Revenge. Those are all
Speaker 4: classic games that people always cite as being some of
Speaker 4: the best.
Speaker 2: Of all time.
Speaker 4: And Fight Forever in terms of gameplay has that. It's
Speaker 4: it's very good. It's very fun to pick up and play.
Speaker 4: It's much more of an arcadie style than ww's games,
Speaker 4: where it's much more simulated, like you have to watch
Speaker 4: your standard buck gauge and things like that, and that's
Speaker 4: kind of not as fun. It's just picking up and play.
Speaker 4: So aw, Fight Forever has that in terms of terms
Speaker 4: of being fun, it's very fun.
Speaker 1: That's that's high praise right there, Brian.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you, because a lot of people you.
Speaker 1: Rose, right, b Rose.
Speaker 2: Look, a lot of people have said it is great
Speaker 2: for olds like me who stopped playing wrestling games after
Speaker 2: No Mercy, and you can pick it up and play
Speaker 2: and it's great, fun, fantastic. But then it seems like
Speaker 2: some of the pushback on the game is things that
Speaker 2: I certainly wouldn't know about and care about when it
Speaker 2: comes to a game, but I'm seemingly important to a
Speaker 2: lot of people, which is how many people are able
Speaker 2: to play. And then what you can do to variate
Speaker 2: those characters is that something that took away any of
Speaker 2: the enjoyment from you.
Speaker 4: Like one of the biggest complaints I had about the
Speaker 4: games that there's just not a lot to do. There's
Speaker 4: the story mode, which takes maybe a few hours at most.
Speaker 4: There's a few mos you can play. There's the exploding
Speaker 4: barbed wire deathmatch.
Speaker 2: Which is fun for a little while.
Speaker 4: There's a casino balleroy, which where you pick a card
Speaker 4: and you go out there based on your entry with
Speaker 4: that card, and it's pretty much like a well rumble
Speaker 4: type mode, and that's kind of fun. But you know,
Speaker 4: beyond that, there's not much there. There's not even a
Speaker 4: cage match, which I don't remember the last time there's
Speaker 4: a video game without a wrestling video game without a
Speaker 4: cage match.
Speaker 1: So do they all have the spot where somebody has
Speaker 1: to slam the cage draw on somebody's head at the
Speaker 1: beginning of every single one of those cage matches.
Speaker 4: No, actually, maybe in like the WWE games they do
Speaker 4: of course, I don't know, like one hundred percent, but
Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure you can do that because that is
Speaker 4: like one of the key trademark spots in each cage
Speaker 4: match nowadays. But yeah, there's just not a lot to
Speaker 4: do at this point in the game. It's like they've
Speaker 4: said that they're going to roll out more content as
Speaker 4: the months go by, you know, more characters, more modes, things.
Speaker 2: Like that, Brian, let me cut you off there. How
Speaker 2: expandable is this where Okay, yeah, it's easy to add
Speaker 2: DLC packs that have FTR and a couple other people
Speaker 2: in them. But is it difficult to actually create a
Speaker 2: story mode and then you know, just basically put that
Speaker 2: out there as a patch to download? Is that? You know,
Speaker 2: is that type of thing possible for them to do,
Speaker 2: to really kind of build it out as it goes along.
Speaker 4: I think it's possible. I mean in other games, there's deal,
Speaker 4: there's added modes where you can download, and there's new
Speaker 4: modes to play from. So I don't think it is
Speaker 4: impossible for them to keep adding more content as the
Speaker 4: years go by. They've gone on the record to say,
Speaker 4: you know, this is going to be a game that
Speaker 4: is going to be that you play for the next
Speaker 4: three four years instead of a yearly released like the
Speaker 4: WW two K twenty two and you know those type
Speaker 4: of games. So they're gonna be rolling out more content.
Speaker 4: I there's a data mind leak apparently a few days ago,
Speaker 4: where there's going to be a stadium stamp ped mode
Speaker 4: where it's kind of like a bottle Royal game where
Speaker 4: you have up to like thirty I think they said
Speaker 4: thirty people just going out there and brawling around a
Speaker 4: stadium stampede mode. So it's that there is stuff in
Speaker 4: the pipeline, there is stuff coming out, So I think
Speaker 4: it'll be very easy for them to implement new modes
Speaker 4: as time goes by. It's common in a lot of
Speaker 4: games where new modes are added, so I don't think
Speaker 4: it's like a too big of a reach to where
Speaker 4: they can't add anything else. I think there'll be more
Speaker 4: stuff as time goes by.
Speaker 1: So would you say that the three year lead time
Speaker 1: for this match pretty much paid off? In your opinion?
Speaker 1: Where would you rank this like last ten years of
Speaker 1: video games? Would you say, you know, easy, top five,
Speaker 1: number one? Where would you put it to me?
Speaker 4: It's very much a wait and see kind of approach,
Speaker 4: because this kind of feels like a bare bones game
Speaker 4: coming in like right now. I'd say, I mean, in
Speaker 4: terms of everything else over the years, you know, there's
Speaker 4: impact games, there's there's a Triple A game a long
Speaker 4: time ago. You know, in terms of everybody else's games,
Speaker 4: this is far more fun to play than any of
Speaker 4: the other games anybody else has put out in recent years.
Speaker 4: It's just kind of like a wait and see kind
Speaker 4: of deal, because it's not to me. It's like, if
Speaker 4: you combine this game with w's features, you'd have like
Speaker 4: an all time great video game. If you combine the
Speaker 4: gameplay and WWE's you know, there's so much stuff you
Speaker 4: can do in those w W games, but it's not
Speaker 4: very fun to play. If you combine this game's gameplay
Speaker 4: and two k's content, you'd have like one of the
Speaker 4: best video games of all time in terms of wrestling
Speaker 4: video games. But here, just by itself, it's very good.
Speaker 4: I recommend people play it because it feels like a
Speaker 4: viable alternative. It's just a matter of wait and see
Speaker 4: and see how maybe six months or a year from now,
Speaker 4: how much stuff they're actually going to add and how
Speaker 4: deep this game is ultimately going to be.
Speaker 1: Okay, now I got one more important question that is
Speaker 1: very important. So you know, we're on Twitch here, and
Speaker 1: you know, like other handsome men with great teeth like
Speaker 1: Adam Cole play video games on these channels, and people
Speaker 1: have asked for myself and Vinie and Craig to play
Speaker 1: the game live or something like that. How how difficult
Speaker 1: would it be for me to be able to play
Speaker 1: this game? Is this something that for a first time
Speaker 1: video game player they could figure out quickly? Or is
Speaker 1: there a learning curve?
Speaker 4: I think if this was WW, I'd say you do
Speaker 4: be playing a while to get all the basics down.
Speaker 4: But if I Forever is much more simple to pick
Speaker 4: up and play. There's a tenttorial mode where she just
Speaker 4: do everything.
Speaker 1: But well, hold on that, Brian, hold that thought. We'll
Speaker 1: hold you over the break here we'll get the end
Speaker 1: of this question, and then we'll talk about Dynamite. So
Speaker 1: back in a moment. Observer Live. Okay, the show, Brian
Speaker 1: Albarez here wrestling Observer Live, Brian Rose joining us here,
Speaker 1: Mike SCEMBERVB And before the break, I asked, could an
Speaker 1: idiot like me, a man who has not played a
Speaker 1: video game since nineteen eighty six, I believe eighty six. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's been a while, maybe eighty eight, but you know,
Speaker 1: right around there, would I be able to pick this
Speaker 1: up quickly? Brian and you, and other people in the
Speaker 1: chat as well suggested, Yes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you can. I think you can pick
Speaker 4: this up easily and play. Compared to WWE's games, this
Speaker 4: is much more simple to pick up and just play
Speaker 4: from the get go. There's a tutorial mode, there's many
Speaker 4: things you can do to just get yourself com triple
Speaker 4: after a few matches. So it's very easy to pick
Speaker 4: up and play, way more so than ww's games, where
Speaker 4: it relies a lot on skill, a lot on the
Speaker 4: systems in the game, like the submission system and reversals
Speaker 4: and standable gauges. There's none of that in Fight Forever,
Speaker 4: and I think that's a big plus because the two
Speaker 4: K series has gone on too much into simulation and
Speaker 4: that's kind of not fun in a wrestling game. Like
Speaker 4: when I want to play a wrestling game, I just
Speaker 4: want to go in there and like kick people's butts.
Speaker 4: I don't want to learn a system and all that.
Speaker 4: Forever borrows heavily from No Mercy, as I've said before,
Speaker 4: and it's a much It harkens back to much more
Speaker 4: simpler era in video games, where you just pick up
Speaker 4: and play, and this is the definition of a pickup
Speaker 4: and play games. So I think, Brian, you can definitely
Speaker 4: pick this up and you'd be right at home after
Speaker 4: a few matches.
Speaker 1: Well, Brian, I want to thank you for doing the
Speaker 1: show here today. Hey, if you want to stick around,
Speaker 1: you want to hear my video game history real quick,
Speaker 1: since everyone seems to be shocked. All right, this is
Speaker 1: what happened. So I think the last video game I
Speaker 1: played would have been nineteen eighty seven. Okay, because in
Speaker 1: about sixth grade I got into video games, and man,
Speaker 1: when I got When I get into something, I am
Speaker 1: into it and I just did nothing. But I played
Speaker 1: video games, and you know all of them, Super Mario
Speaker 1: Brothers and Dig Doug and man, I could beat every game.
Speaker 1: People go, Brian has no skill. Wrong. I could beat
Speaker 1: every single game until until I ran into Mighty bomb Jack,
Speaker 1: the worst video game, and apparently I've been told like online,
Speaker 1: I'm not alone. The worst video game ever, the worst
Speaker 1: you know, instructions for a video game ever. Man, I
Speaker 1: got so mad at that game. I could not beat that.
Speaker 1: Gaya as furious. And then in seventh grade I broke
Speaker 1: my arm. I tripped over a tennis racket of all things,
Speaker 1: the only bone I ever broke and so I didn't
Speaker 1: have a left arm. So at the time, Nintendo had
Speaker 1: those controllers, but they had a thing where you could
Speaker 1: put a deal over the little controller where you go
Speaker 1: like this, and so it had like a little joystick
Speaker 1: instead of you know, there was a plus and you
Speaker 1: push up downside side right. It had a little it
Speaker 1: had a little joystick attachment. So I swear to God,
Speaker 1: I put the joystick attachment in my mouth and so
Speaker 1: I used my right hand to push the buns and
Speaker 1: I used my mouth to move. I still was just
Speaker 1: killing on video games, Like I was so into it
Speaker 1: that nothing was going to stop me from playing my games.
Speaker 1: And then and then you know what actually killed my
Speaker 1: video game playing was I discovered pro wrestling, and from
Speaker 1: from the end of seventh grade beginning of eighth grade on,
Speaker 1: it was like I was all in on pro wrestling.
Speaker 1: I watched nothing but wrestling. Me and my friends did
Speaker 1: backyard wrestling. I started taking gymnastics so that I could
Speaker 1: do wrestling on the on everything, and I never played
Speaker 1: a video game again. I just was It was like
Speaker 1: a thing in my life that I was one hundred
Speaker 1: percent into and then like when it was done, it
Speaker 1: was like it's over. It's a part of my life
Speaker 1: that's over. I never got another. Like people are going, oh, Brian,
Speaker 1: probably whatever a guy Bro. I never even not one time,
Speaker 1: did I've already used that stuff. I didn't even nothing.
Speaker 1: It was just done. No game. No, never even heard
Speaker 1: of it. Like people were going, people are throwing all
Speaker 1: the other things that you know, some you know whatever.
Speaker 1: I never even heard of that much.
Speaker 2: Less's punch Out. Yes you did not beat it.
Speaker 1: I did beat it.
Speaker 2: You did.
Speaker 1: Swear to God, I swear to God. If I'm gonna
Speaker 1: lie about it, I would lie and say that I
Speaker 1: beat Mighty bomb Jack. But I could not beat Mighty
Speaker 1: bomb Jack. That was the only game that I could
Speaker 1: never beat. But yes, I beat punch Out. I didn't
Speaker 1: beat it a lot, maybe twice, but uh.
Speaker 4: Out what I was I was so just go back
Speaker 4: and then punch Out, guy Bro, listen only change.
Speaker 2: With supermacho man a.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you if I if I had not beaten
Speaker 1: punch Out, I would for sure remember. But I beat
Speaker 1: that game, and it was I think it was maybe twice,
Speaker 1: but that was it. But yes, God damn I hated
Speaker 1: Mighty bomb Jack. I hated that game.
Speaker 4: I have never even played Mighty bomb Jack. Don't do it. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you probably quit video games off from it, by what
Speaker 4: you're explaining to me.
Speaker 1: I think actually it was discovering wrestling and Mighty bomb
Speaker 1: Jack that like ended my my love of video games.
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm done this, this is stupid. I'd
Speaker 1: rather go uh.
Speaker 4: And you missed out so much in the last thirty
Speaker 4: plus years, so many great games on the Super Nintendo
Speaker 4: sixty four PlayStations.
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, the only the only game I ever played
Speaker 1: that was wrestling was was was Pro Wrestling with Starman
Speaker 1: and the Amazon and you chomped people?
Speaker 2: Wait did you ever when you were going out with
Speaker 2: your friends or anything? And granted, as we were getting older,
Speaker 2: they started getting real rid of a out of arcades.
Speaker 2: But was there one around that had the WrestleMania game
Speaker 2: or had never played something? There?
Speaker 1: Never stars missed, none of them, not a single one.
Speaker 1: Pro Wrestling was Starman and the Amazon was the only
Speaker 1: one that I ever played that was fun. They sure was. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Metal Gears people with none of these games. Nope, never.
Speaker 2: Never The Pride Fighting game for PlayStation two. I think
Speaker 2: it was was fun, It was limited, but it was
Speaker 2: actually very fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I ended with with Sega before there was I
Speaker 1: don't think it was Sega Genesis, And I wish I
Speaker 1: could remember the game that I that I used to
Speaker 1: play on on System. Yeah, I can't remember what it was,
Speaker 1: but that that was. That was the end. That was
Speaker 1: the tail end I was. I was using the joystick thing,
Speaker 1: and that was pretty much the end of it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: probably was Master System, because whatever that first Sega that
Speaker 1: you could buy was, I got that.
Speaker 4: That was the that was the first one. The Master
Speaker 4: System was the first one that Genesis came out and liked.
Speaker 1: Hero get real. Come on, all right, get some plugs in, Brian.
Speaker 1: I gotta talk about Dynamite very quickly.
Speaker 2: Here, all right.
Speaker 4: I am on Twitter at BR twenty six. I do
Speaker 4: all most of the front page not most, but I
Speaker 4: do a lot of the front page stuff on this
Speaker 4: very website. So I'm always on there, literally every day,
Speaker 4: So check that out. I'm on Twitter at BR twenty six.
Speaker 4: That's pretty much it for my plugs. I used to
Speaker 4: do streaming on here on Figure four Gaming. I might
Speaker 4: do that later this summer, so keep an eye out
Speaker 4: on that. Yeah, And that's there's so much, so much
Speaker 4: wrestling stuff coming out video game wise, there's another game
Speaker 4: coming out in a few months that might check out,
Speaker 4: and of course I might stream this. I might stream
Speaker 4: whatever the next w W game is, so stay tuned
Speaker 4: for that.
Speaker 2: Ryan Rose, I'd like to thank you.
Speaker 1: He's a great guy.
Speaker 2: Courier and Ian Carry and Josh Nason and all the
Speaker 2: other people that Brian does never acknowledges because he pays them,
Speaker 2: So why say to get out of here any of
Speaker 2: these people. I appreciate you coming on, and I appreciate
Speaker 2: all the work you do for the s.
Speaker 1: You're a shoot idiot. I like people behind the scenes.
Speaker 1: I don't need to do it publicly, right, Brian, that's right.
Speaker 4: You have thanked me a lot brighter.
Speaker 1: Of course, that's right. That's right.
Speaker 4: Uh, shout out to me every now and then on
Speaker 4: the Brandon Bennie Show.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 4: Shows.
Speaker 1: Well they'll kill my gimmick, damn it. Thanks for coming
Speaker 1: on today.
Speaker 4: Okay, no problem, Thanks you for having me on.
Speaker 1: All right, thanks so much. We gotta do this dynamite
Speaker 1: thing real quick. Everybody. Your people can get mad at me,
Speaker 1: and you know, yell at me that. Ohyes, he didn't
Speaker 1: want to review Dynamite this week because on this or that,
Speaker 1: John Moxley is she e. John Moxley won with the
Speaker 1: death writer. This match ruled, although I could have done
Speaker 1: without the clonking headbuts. But as far as like a
Speaker 1: wrestling match, I mean, this was a tough crowd and
Speaker 1: it took a while to get this crowd into it.
Speaker 1: When you're when you're chopping back and forth for literally
Speaker 1: about ninety seconds and they're still not in any noise,
Speaker 1: that's a hard crowd. But they got everybody into it,
Speaker 1: and then we had a show long storyline Moxie and
Speaker 1: Kingston are they're having problems, and now Renee is angry.
Speaker 1: You know what you don't want to do. You don't
Speaker 1: want to make Renee angry. And this led to a
Speaker 1: segment later where the Blackpool Combat Club attacked Kingston and
Speaker 1: they actually pilmanized his arm, which the camera didn't even
Speaker 1: catch and nobody acknowledged. And I think that that was
Speaker 1: not even like a planned spot, which is like Claudio
Speaker 1: decided he was going to do it. So I do
Speaker 1: not believe that Kingston is being written out of storylines,
Speaker 1: even though it sure looked that way, Even though he
Speaker 1: is going to New Japan. I think the feeling is,
Speaker 1: you know, you could you could do an injury like that,
Speaker 1: but like everyone knows where he's going, so don't insult
Speaker 1: the audience. So anyway, I don't think that they're doing
Speaker 1: a shattered arm gimmick, but they actually did that on
Speaker 1: the show last night. We had a segment with Adam
Speaker 1: Cole and MJF where MGF wants to to bond with
Speaker 1: Adam Cole for their tag team deal and Adam Cole's
Speaker 1: working the guy and he's going along with it, and
Speaker 1: they actually did kind of a funny thing that they
Speaker 1: kind of mocking WWE, where Roder Strong is like, dude,
Speaker 1: you know he's gonna watch the show and see that
Speaker 1: you're just messing with him. Cole goes, this guy is
Speaker 1: gonna watch the show and MGF immediately shows up and
Speaker 1: they're like fifteen minutes of the show and he goes, Hey,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna sit around to watch a wrestling show.
Speaker 1: Let's go party, and so he jumps in the card.
Speaker 1: Adam Cole looks at Roger Trunk goes, he ain't gonna
Speaker 1: watch this. Back we had Orange, Cassie, Keith Lee, but
Speaker 1: Kingo versus Daniel Garcia, Met Minard and Angelo Parker. This
Speaker 1: was a this was it almost became a train wreck,
Speaker 1: but it didn't, and and even if it had, it
Speaker 1: was still really fun. Just one of those you know,
Speaker 1: party matches. And Keith Lee hit Minard with what they
Speaker 1: are no longer calling the BBC. It's got a new name,
Speaker 1: and whatever they is, I've forgotten. But he won, and
Speaker 1: then we had another long storyline with the Young Bucks
Speaker 1: and Hangman against the Dark Order. The Dark Orders angry
Speaker 1: at Hangman. They don't like him anymore, They're not his friend.
Speaker 1: They accept an open challenge from the Young Bucks and Hangman.
Speaker 1: Hangman doesn't want to do it, but Dark Order insists,
Speaker 1: so they do the match and Hangman does not want
Speaker 1: to do anything with anybody in the Dark Order. The
Speaker 1: Bucks are forcing him to do it and he doesn't
Speaker 1: want to do it, and it keeps leading him almost
Speaker 1: getting pinned, and finally they triple team silver. Hangman hits
Speaker 1: the buckshot pins him, feels terrible about it, and then
Speaker 1: of course the BCC hits the Ring to kill everybody
Speaker 1: and Hangman gets whacked with the screwdriver and Dark Order
Speaker 1: just sorry, you made your bed and Hangman's so sad
Speaker 1: about it, and they leave. He's bleeding all over. They
Speaker 1: kill poor Eddie, and then John Moxley, who will not watch.
Speaker 1: He will allow, but he will not watch the doom
Speaker 1: of Eddie Kingston. He announces July nineteenth in Boston. It
Speaker 1: is blood and guts. Jungle Boy to a heel promo,
Speaker 1: which he still got a ways to go. He's not
Speaker 1: like a comfortable promo. Yet they gave him the things
Speaker 1: to say to get heat. He's better off still as
Speaker 1: a heel now that we've seen it. He's still better
Speaker 1: off than he was a babyface. And the big line is, man,
Speaker 1: if I get my hands on Hook, I'm gonna beat
Speaker 1: his ass. And so Hook's music immediately hits and they
Speaker 1: have a foot race, and these are two young guys
Speaker 1: and one of them was a I forget what he
Speaker 1: did Division one. I think it was lacrosse actually, But man,
Speaker 1: this brother Hook, he can run and he chases Jungle Boy,
Speaker 1: and Jungle Boy sprints backstage and he screams, let's go,
Speaker 1: and they open the back door of the suv and
Speaker 1: this guy dives, I mean he shoots across, diving into
Speaker 1: the back of this deal and it takes off and
Speaker 1: hook all angry. This was a great chase scene that
Speaker 1: they did here. Ruby Soho beat Alexi Nicole because Britt
Speaker 1: Baker was sick legitimately, and they're gonna do their their
Speaker 1: match in the tournament next week. And then the main
Speaker 1: event was Jericho and Samye versus Sting and Derby, and
Speaker 1: I'm sure y'all know what happened. They set up tables.
Speaker 1: They were way too far away. Sting is a madman.
Speaker 1: He jumped from a ladder in the ring to these
Speaker 1: tables that were way too far away. And to give
Speaker 1: I mean to give him credit. You never seen a
Speaker 1: guy jump so far. It's sixty four years old. He
Speaker 1: managed to. He still didn't make it though he hit
Speaker 1: his face on poor uh.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: It was worse like the knee of Samy er Sing's face,
Speaker 1: but he lost a tooth. He's bleeding everywhere. He still
Speaker 1: got back in the ring and he submitted Chris Jericho,
Speaker 1: so Sting and Derby on their way to something. I
Speaker 1: guess we'll see what that is. But a very good
Speaker 1: main event, and I like the show. Back in a
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Speaker 1: Yeah you see, guys, I said that que Boom six
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