WEBVTT - The Audible Ep. 99 | Zach Thomas 0:00:05.519 --> 0:00:07.440 All right, the audible's back on the air. Kimbol Camber, 0:00:07.520 --> 0:00:10.320 John con Jemmy and John. Here we are. It's a 0:00:10.400 --> 0:00:13.880 super Bowl week San Francisco in Kansas City. They both 0:00:14.400 --> 0:00:18.520 got into town on on Sunday evening and uh, you know, 0:00:18.600 --> 0:00:20.800 media day on Monday, and then it's h and as 0:00:20.840 --> 0:00:22.400 to work and then they get to work on the 0:00:22.440 --> 0:00:24.880 on the game. And you know, it's funny these two 0:00:24.920 --> 0:00:27.440 weeks off and and you know, you that there's such 0:00:27.520 --> 0:00:31.440 a void between Championship weekend when you got the two 0:00:31.720 --> 0:00:35.200 great games, right and there were two really really good 0:00:35.240 --> 0:00:37.640 games to watch, and then you got that two weeks 0:00:37.640 --> 0:00:40.440 before the super Bowl starts and that week, that Pro 0:00:40.520 --> 0:00:43.440 Bowl week where where it's just like the there's like 0:00:43.479 --> 0:00:46.040 a void of of information coming out little dribs and 0:00:46.120 --> 0:00:48.560 drabs all of a sudden when they show up that 0:00:48.600 --> 0:00:50.280 when the two teams show up to town, it's a uh, 0:00:50.680 --> 0:00:55.880 it's a flood of information going around. Information, misinformation, rumors, scenarios, 0:00:55.960 --> 0:00:58.560 all kind of anything. You can imagine. It has been 0:00:58.600 --> 0:01:00.400 going on over this past week. You know. Way it's 0:01:00.440 --> 0:01:03.400 so much fun to gear up for Super Bowl after 0:01:03.440 --> 0:01:05.600 a week of kind of like the duldrums you know, 0:01:05.680 --> 0:01:07.520 you go up and you said, you're right. You get 0:01:07.680 --> 0:01:10.280 so excited for those championship games because you know the 0:01:10.319 --> 0:01:13.360 winner is gonna get their chance at the ultimate prize, 0:01:13.520 --> 0:01:15.880 was just being a world champion. And then you kind 0:01:15.880 --> 0:01:17.840 of go through and you fight through that week and 0:01:17.840 --> 0:01:19.560 now all of a sudden, it's here and you don't 0:01:19.560 --> 0:01:21.400 want it to end, you know, you, like you said, 0:01:21.440 --> 0:01:24.200 you go through that Monday where all both teams face 0:01:24.319 --> 0:01:26.760 the media and they have a night uh you know 0:01:26.760 --> 0:01:28.880 at Marlin's Park, and then they kind of get through 0:01:28.920 --> 0:01:32.319 their routine, you know, their normal practice routine. They're normal 0:01:32.400 --> 0:01:36.279 meeting routines, and and the coaches kinda put the final 0:01:36.360 --> 0:01:38.480 touches on their game plans, and I'm sure they were 0:01:38.480 --> 0:01:41.039 doing a lot of work during that downtime, you know, 0:01:41.080 --> 0:01:43.440 to finalize and get a game plan where they felt 0:01:43.480 --> 0:01:46.600 like they were gonna, you know, become victorious on Sunday night. 0:01:47.080 --> 0:01:49.520 So it's a long road and it's a long way 0:01:49.560 --> 0:01:51.680 to go, but I bet those guys, you know, times 0:01:51.680 --> 0:01:54.040 flying for those guys, because before you know it, it it 0:01:54.080 --> 0:01:56.400 will be Sunday morning and they'll have the butterflies and 0:01:56.400 --> 0:01:58.720 they're ready to go and and that's probably the hardest 0:01:58.760 --> 0:02:01.520 time waiting and aching up and waiting for that kickoff 0:02:01.560 --> 0:02:04.160 that's gonna be around six thirty on Sunday. Yeah, I 0:02:04.160 --> 0:02:06.200 think early in the week. I can remember when when 0:02:06.560 --> 0:02:09.080 you know, I have the opportunity to go twice and 0:02:09.080 --> 0:02:10.600 and and ended up on the wrong end of the 0:02:10.680 --> 0:02:13.640 stick on on that thing. And it's funny because people 0:02:13.680 --> 0:02:14.959 ask you, you you know, they asked been asked this a 0:02:15.040 --> 0:02:16.519 number of times. You know, you you go to a 0:02:16.560 --> 0:02:18.400 super Bowl and you lose, would you rather have not 0:02:18.480 --> 0:02:21.320 gone or or go and lose? And I said, yeah, 0:02:21.320 --> 0:02:23.080 I would rather not even go. I mean, you know, 0:02:23.120 --> 0:02:25.799 it's for that one team that loses. I mean, it's 0:02:25.880 --> 0:02:28.679 it's a it's a it's gut wrenching. It is a 0:02:28.720 --> 0:02:31.040 gut wrenching blow and it's awful. It's it and it 0:02:31.080 --> 0:02:33.440 never leaves you to this day. I walk around the 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:36.720 two championships that we lost in Canada. It's like, you 0:02:36.800 --> 0:02:38.800 scratch and we could have won both those games, a 0:02:38.880 --> 0:02:41.320 chance to win, and you kind of go through plays 0:02:41.360 --> 0:02:43.880 and you go through, uh, different things that you would 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:46.440 have done differently or hope that they would have changed 0:02:46.960 --> 0:02:48.959 the outcome of the game. But You're right. It's gut 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:50.679 wrenching and it stays with you for a long you 0:02:50.720 --> 0:02:52.560 know what I tell you, to this day. I mean, 0:02:52.600 --> 0:02:55.120 you know, I I played in eight two and eighty four. 0:02:55.639 --> 0:02:59.480 You know that's you know, decades ago. Um, but it's 0:02:59.520 --> 0:03:01.799 still bother me to watch the Super Bowl to this day. 0:03:02.000 --> 0:03:05.360 You know, I watch it. I watch it like everybody else, 0:03:05.560 --> 0:03:07.480 But when I watch it, there's a there's there's a 0:03:07.520 --> 0:03:11.560 hole in me, there's something missing inside of me, because 0:03:11.639 --> 0:03:15.080 you know, having been there, having had the opportunity only 0:03:15.120 --> 0:03:18.280 to to fumble it away twice, uh, and just having 0:03:18.320 --> 0:03:20.520 that memory linger with you. And you know I got 0:03:21.240 --> 0:03:23.400 especially you know, leading up into the super Bowl. You 0:03:23.400 --> 0:03:26.480 know they're playing super Bowl. Here it comes this game. 0:03:26.520 --> 0:03:28.679 Here's this game, here's that game, and you know every 0:03:28.720 --> 0:03:30.000 now and then you walk by your eye. Geez, I 0:03:30.000 --> 0:03:33.079 don't watch what game again, you know, forget it. But 0:03:33.160 --> 0:03:36.600 much less, much less a second game after that, you know, 0:03:37.520 --> 0:03:40.240 because you know, you know how it is. Well, it's 0:03:40.280 --> 0:03:42.840 like when you're watching tape and being a player, you 0:03:42.880 --> 0:03:46.440 know that play is coming, is coming again, and there's 0:03:46.480 --> 0:03:48.600 nothing you can do about it, and you have to 0:03:48.680 --> 0:03:51.040 kind of sit through it. But now we're adults. We 0:03:51.040 --> 0:03:54.000 can walk out of the room exactly. We don't change 0:03:54.040 --> 0:03:57.280 the station. Forget that. I don't go. Yeah, I'll go back, 0:03:57.280 --> 0:03:59.200 and I'll go further than that. You know, I got 0:03:59.600 --> 0:04:02.640 my my mother in law when I was playing, uh, 0:04:02.960 --> 0:04:06.200 taped almost every one of our games, you know, and 0:04:06.280 --> 0:04:07.920 she was up in New Jersey, and so you know, 0:04:07.960 --> 0:04:09.960 she got a lot of the games up there, and 0:04:09.960 --> 0:04:12.120 then she put them on VCR. Right, So I've got 0:04:12.120 --> 0:04:15.120 these VCR tapes and don't you know who, God knows 0:04:15.120 --> 0:04:17.680 who has a VCR recorder now, but you know, he goes, 0:04:17.680 --> 0:04:19.240 we why don't you get them all turned into two 0:04:19.320 --> 0:04:21.880 DVDs and stuff for CD s. I'm sure you can 0:04:21.920 --> 0:04:24.440 get them digitally or whatever. And uh, I go, I 0:04:24.480 --> 0:04:29.040 don't want him. I don't, I can't. I can't. Well, 0:04:29.080 --> 0:04:31.200 I'm talking about I'm talking about like a like a 0:04:31.400 --> 0:04:34.560 third week of the season in the nineteen eighty eighty 0:04:34.680 --> 0:04:37.360 one or something where you played Tampa Bay in some 0:04:37.480 --> 0:04:42.039 you know, random, random, meaningless game and I slide it 0:04:42.040 --> 0:04:44.440 in for a minute, I watched like one series. I 0:04:44.480 --> 0:04:46.640 can't watch this, I know, because I know it's kind 0:04:46.680 --> 0:04:49.320 of I remember I missed the tackle here, and you know, 0:04:49.600 --> 0:04:51.919 and I'm afraid if I watch it all here, the 0:04:51.960 --> 0:04:58.120 echoes of Don Sholey in my ear make that Yeah, 0:04:58.120 --> 0:05:02.000 it never goes lay. Never five years old and it 0:05:02.120 --> 0:05:04.600 still doesn't go away. Still, I remember I could pick 0:05:04.680 --> 0:05:07.719 up any game, put it on and watch it and 0:05:07.720 --> 0:05:09.080 go turn it off because I know I made it. 0:05:09.080 --> 0:05:11.240 I got I know there's I got something coming up. 0:05:11.240 --> 0:05:12.800 I don't want to see. You know what's funny. My 0:05:12.880 --> 0:05:14.760 high school buddies and I we went and played golf 0:05:14.800 --> 0:05:17.320 the other day and we were reliving one of the 0:05:17.360 --> 0:05:20.239 plays from St. Thomas at Minus when we were sixteen 0:05:20.320 --> 0:05:23.719 years old, about George Smith getting choked on the on 0:05:23.800 --> 0:05:26.520 the court on the phones running down the sidelines because 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:28.760 I changed the player in the huddle. You know, it 0:05:28.839 --> 0:05:30.680 was a time we used to shuttle players in and 0:05:30.680 --> 0:05:32.840 out so that you know, the fullback would come in 0:05:32.880 --> 0:05:35.200 and another fullback would go out, or a wide receiver 0:05:35.240 --> 0:05:37.120 would come in, a wide receiver would go out. Well, 0:05:37.360 --> 0:05:40.240 my best friend comes in at wide receiver and he goes, yeah, 0:05:40.279 --> 0:05:42.160 he wants the old man wants to run thirty one. 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:45.279 That's trap. But I'm I'm gonna be open on the corner. 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:48.880 I said, let's run the corner. So we call the play. 0:05:49.000 --> 0:05:50.400 We changed the play, and all of a sudden, I 0:05:50.440 --> 0:05:53.840 see George running down the sideline and instead of the 0:05:53.920 --> 0:05:56.479 chords falling off of his head, they felt on his 0:05:56.560 --> 0:06:01.720 Adam's apple and he almost went right. Yeah, he almost 0:06:01.720 --> 0:06:03.680 went down, and he we no one wanted to go 0:06:03.720 --> 0:06:05.960 to the sidelines after that. It's it's funny, you know, 0:06:06.040 --> 0:06:08.040 It's funny you mentioned that because I was I was 0:06:08.080 --> 0:06:09.600 at a deal. I did a deal a couple of 0:06:09.640 --> 0:06:12.000 years ago with the like a reunion of my senior 0:06:12.200 --> 0:06:15.480 my high school football team of my senior year, and 0:06:15.520 --> 0:06:17.920 they had like twenty five guys there, which was awesome, 0:06:17.920 --> 0:06:20.240 and guys I hadn't seen. She's some of those guys 0:06:20.279 --> 0:06:22.640 I hadn't seen since since the day I left to 0:06:22.680 --> 0:06:25.040 go to college, you know, and and so to come back. 0:06:25.560 --> 0:06:28.680 And it's funny because the conversations were and I don't 0:06:28.680 --> 0:06:30.360 know where all got off on this tangent, but anyway, 0:06:30.360 --> 0:06:34.760 the conversations were, you know, they go, guys, hey, Kim, 0:06:34.760 --> 0:06:37.080 you remember that, remember we were playing uh, you know 0:06:37.120 --> 0:06:39.400 Mount Pleasant High School, you know, in the third quarter, 0:06:39.680 --> 0:06:42.880 and I'm going brod A lot of games under the 0:06:43.600 --> 0:06:46.159 h but but but but for them, you know, for 0:06:46.200 --> 0:06:50.680 guys that that's visit where their their last game, their 0:06:50.720 --> 0:06:53.400 senior year, that was it. That's where there, that's where 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:56.080 their football life ended for the rest of their life. 0:06:56.120 --> 0:06:59.839 So those memories of those games that they played in 0:07:00.360 --> 0:07:03.560 year or are crystal clear to the crystal clear to me. 0:07:03.640 --> 0:07:07.159 I'm like, you know, I remember when that school was, 0:07:07.720 --> 0:07:11.280 you know, but yeah, we won that game, did yeah? Yeah? Yeah, 0:07:11.400 --> 0:07:13.640 you remember it was thirty four to seventeen. You know, 0:07:13.680 --> 0:07:15.200 we came here. You know, well, I don't know why. 0:07:15.160 --> 0:07:17.560 I guarantee the guys playing on Sunday for the World 0:07:17.640 --> 0:07:21.360 Championship will remember the good plays, he'll remember the bad plays, 0:07:21.400 --> 0:07:23.960 the remember the ones in between for the rest of 0:07:24.000 --> 0:07:26.160 their lives. And it's one of those things where, man, 0:07:26.800 --> 0:07:29.720 if you're playing in that game, how badly you want 0:07:29.760 --> 0:07:32.040 to win that game? You know what? And to you look, 0:07:32.040 --> 0:07:33.960 you know you we we could sit down and we'll 0:07:34.000 --> 0:07:36.320 talk about the games. We'll talk about the forty Niners 0:07:36.360 --> 0:07:38.560 and you know, can the forty Niners run the football 0:07:38.640 --> 0:07:41.160 like they've done and be effective against you know, against 0:07:41.200 --> 0:07:43.600 Kansas City. Got Chris Jones coming back for them, and 0:07:43.720 --> 0:07:46.160 he played last We're the last game and he got 0:07:46.160 --> 0:07:47.680 out healthy, so they got one of the big run 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:50.680 stoppers back. You know, can can Pat Mahomes, you know, 0:07:50.720 --> 0:07:52.560 do the things that he done, He's done against that 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:55.680 San Francisco defense, especially with that front four that they've got. 0:07:55.840 --> 0:07:58.480 You know, well, we'll talk about all that stuff as 0:07:58.520 --> 0:08:00.600 we go on. But but you know it's funny, you 0:08:00.600 --> 0:08:04.320 can you can break these and look, you watch NFL Network, 0:08:04.800 --> 0:08:07.080 you watch ESPN, you watch any of these shows, and 0:08:07.120 --> 0:08:10.120 it's gonna be it is gonna be broken down to 0:08:10.200 --> 0:08:13.520 the most minute thing you can think of. And if 0:08:13.560 --> 0:08:17.080 I was to put an umbrella over the game and 0:08:17.160 --> 0:08:20.200 say this is what's gonna decide the game, it's gonna 0:08:20.200 --> 0:08:24.960 be the team that takes the game more seriously then 0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:28.800 the ancillary stuff that's going on around you with the 0:08:28.840 --> 0:08:30.720 Super Bowl, and it's easy to say that, hey, when 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:33.160 I get there, no, no, we're gonna be focused. But 0:08:33.240 --> 0:08:35.880 when you know, when you when you remember playing in 0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:37.600 the first Super Bowl, played and we went to the 0:08:37.600 --> 0:08:41.079 hotel and you know, checked in, got our keys, got 0:08:41.120 --> 0:08:42.599 everything you have to go in. Like if you're a 0:08:42.679 --> 0:08:45.360 Nike guy, you went into the Nike you know, and 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:47.480 you got your goodie bag, and then all the T 0:08:47.600 --> 0:08:49.520 shirts and stuff they're getting in and then you go 0:08:49.600 --> 0:08:52.000 up the room, and then and then you come down 0:08:52.000 --> 0:08:53.800 and all of a sudden, the elevators open up, and 0:08:53.800 --> 0:08:59.080 the lobby is packed with people. It's family, it's friends, 0:08:59.360 --> 0:09:03.000 it's people looking to scalp tickets, it's it's agents, it's 0:09:03.600 --> 0:09:10.199 the people you tell me you yeah, and so I mean, so, 0:09:10.200 --> 0:09:12.400 so you've got all this going on, and it's to me, 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:16.760 it's the team that can filter that out, the team 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:19.600 that can push that aside and not get caught up 0:09:19.600 --> 0:09:21.959 in it to the point where you get into a game. 0:09:22.040 --> 0:09:23.760 It's a second quarter, but man, we're in the super Bowl. 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:25.679 You're gonna get you know something, you know, So so 0:09:25.760 --> 0:09:29.679 that that that to me. I think these games, you know, 0:09:30.120 --> 0:09:33.439 like I said, on an umbrella, looking at it overall 0:09:33.559 --> 0:09:36.480 or or one or lost by the team that can 0:09:36.559 --> 0:09:40.760 focus the best this week. They both focused last week 0:09:40.760 --> 0:09:43.280 when they're on the on their home, in their home facilities, 0:09:43.559 --> 0:09:46.040 they put in their game plans. They talked about what 0:09:46.040 --> 0:09:48.760 they're gonna expect for the week of the Super Bowl. 0:09:49.040 --> 0:09:51.120 Don't get into this, don't do this, don't do that. 0:09:52.400 --> 0:09:55.080 All that, but then when you you yeah, yeah, yeah, yea, 0:09:55.080 --> 0:09:55.920 I got it, I got it, and then all of 0:09:55.960 --> 0:09:58.040 a sudden you get here and and and you know, 0:09:58.080 --> 0:10:00.320 in Pandora's box opens up, Well, you're right. And you 0:10:00.360 --> 0:10:02.800 have two different styles of coaching too. You have a 0:10:02.840 --> 0:10:06.280 young coach that's in his very first Super Bowl and 0:10:06.320 --> 0:10:09.319 you know he's he's has the confidence of being able 0:10:09.320 --> 0:10:12.120 to capture a world championship because he feels like he 0:10:12.200 --> 0:10:14.640 has the best team. And then you've got a veteran 0:10:14.679 --> 0:10:16.880 coach that's trying to put a stamp on his legacy 0:10:16.920 --> 0:10:19.920 and Andy Reid, uh, you know, compared to Kyle Shanahan. 0:10:20.040 --> 0:10:23.480 So there's there's two different spectrums on maybe how they 0:10:23.520 --> 0:10:26.960 approached that week off in terms of, hey do this, 0:10:27.040 --> 0:10:29.200 don't do this. This is how I want you to go. 0:10:29.240 --> 0:10:30.880 I want you to not not to change a thing 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:33.880 from the way you've approached every game, you know, go 0:10:34.080 --> 0:10:36.960 leading up to us getting a chance to win a 0:10:37.000 --> 0:10:39.600 Super Bowl. And then you may have Andy Reid's wisdom 0:10:39.640 --> 0:10:41.880 and knowledge of, hey, I want you to do this 0:10:41.960 --> 0:10:44.280 because we found out this was best. You know, this 0:10:44.320 --> 0:10:46.679 is the way we approached We we went one route. 0:10:46.679 --> 0:10:49.480 It didn't really work out for us. So you have 0:10:49.640 --> 0:10:52.800 that to consider, you know, how how the mentality of 0:10:52.840 --> 0:10:56.280 these teams are are coming into Super Bowl week with 0:10:56.400 --> 0:10:58.839 a young coach that you know, is his first time 0:10:58.880 --> 0:11:01.240 against the veteran coach. That boy, if he wins a 0:11:01.320 --> 0:11:03.959 super Bowl, you can see him, you know, maybe one 0:11:04.000 --> 0:11:06.160 day being a Hall of Famer. Yeah. Yeah, speaking of 0:11:06.200 --> 0:11:07.600 Hall of Fame, and we're gonna get a chance here 0:11:07.600 --> 0:11:09.840 a little bit later on the program, UH to to 0:11:09.960 --> 0:11:12.320 talk to who we we hope is gonna be a 0:11:12.320 --> 0:11:16.079 Hall of Famer. Uh Saturday, the day before the Super 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:19.600 Bowl begins, Zach Thomas. You know, Zach up for the 0:11:19.640 --> 0:11:22.280 Hall of Fame. He's down to the final fifteen five 0:11:22.480 --> 0:11:25.080 five guys go in and when you look at the 0:11:25.160 --> 0:11:28.800 landscape there, you feel pretty good about Zack's opportunity. So 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:30.640 we'll get a chance to talk to Zak and and 0:11:30.679 --> 0:11:32.880 about what that may mean to may mean to him, 0:11:32.880 --> 0:11:35.679 and hopefully will mean to him. Is that happens, and 0:11:35.920 --> 0:11:38.400 so just another thing that goes on during the course 0:11:38.440 --> 0:11:41.199 of this week. And you can forget about a lot 0:11:41.240 --> 0:11:43.600 of the stuff, you know, if you're an NFL nerd, 0:11:43.640 --> 0:11:45.800 if you're a guy that just just just guy or 0:11:45.880 --> 0:11:50.120 girl or what are that that just lives and breathe it. Um. 0:11:50.200 --> 0:11:52.480 It's a great place to be around the Super Bowl, 0:11:52.559 --> 0:11:54.679 especially it's on our own backyard, and you know it's 0:11:54.720 --> 0:11:56.520 gonna be traffic and there'sna be a lot of people. 0:11:56.559 --> 0:11:58.760 And I don't necessarily want to get involved in in 0:11:58.800 --> 0:12:01.320 the traffic and in too much to that stuff. But well, 0:12:01.360 --> 0:12:04.000 if you're if you're a fan that hasn't been around it, um, 0:12:04.240 --> 0:12:05.920 I would I would implore you to go down and 0:12:05.960 --> 0:12:07.840 just even if you don't have tickets for and just 0:12:07.840 --> 0:12:10.680 go down to be around it, be around for the attack. 0:12:10.760 --> 0:12:14.439 Some patients, yeah, back, some patients head down the convention center. 0:12:14.480 --> 0:12:17.199 They got the you know, the the NFL experience going 0:12:17.280 --> 0:12:20.000 on and just about everywhere you go, and you got 0:12:20.080 --> 0:12:24.680 radio exactly just where you're gonna run into players and 0:12:24.679 --> 0:12:28.079 and and and celebrities and and and every It's become 0:12:28.120 --> 0:12:31.600 such a you know, it's amazing when when and I 0:12:31.679 --> 0:12:33.760 keep going back to when my experience, because that's what 0:12:33.800 --> 0:12:36.520 I don't like got is you know when when when 0:12:36.520 --> 0:12:38.840 I had the opportunity to play, I thought it was 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:42.240 I thought it was amazing how big it was, how 0:12:42.280 --> 0:12:46.040 big the super Bowl was it looks that looks like 0:12:46.320 --> 0:12:50.520 that looks like an NFL pre squad inter squad scrimmage 0:12:51.880 --> 0:12:53.880 compared to what the Super Bowl is now and the 0:12:54.080 --> 0:12:57.680 size and the scope and the hype and the and 0:12:57.760 --> 0:13:01.000 the events and the way the NFL has taken this 0:13:01.080 --> 0:13:05.000 thing and really turned it into you know, you can 0:13:05.000 --> 0:13:08.400 talk about World Cups, and you can talk about Olympic Games, 0:13:08.400 --> 0:13:11.840 and and they the NFL has put this game in 0:13:12.000 --> 0:13:14.760 the you know, in the stratus of of of all 0:13:14.760 --> 0:13:17.600 of those games, is the biggest sporting events in the world. 0:13:17.920 --> 0:13:20.400 You can't talk about it without throwing the Super Bowl 0:13:20.480 --> 0:13:22.240 right right there around the top of it. Well, it's 0:13:22.320 --> 0:13:24.720 it's a destination, you know. They they've made it a 0:13:24.760 --> 0:13:27.600 destination for football fans from all over the world. Really, 0:13:27.960 --> 0:13:30.600 you know now that there's games in Mexico, and there's 0:13:30.600 --> 0:13:33.679 been games in London, and there's been games you know, 0:13:34.120 --> 0:13:37.040 all over the world in terms of trying to garner 0:13:37.120 --> 0:13:41.400 that fan awareness and and that passion for the sport 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:44.719 of of American football. And like you said, from from 0:13:44.760 --> 0:13:47.360 the eighties to the nineties to the early two thousands, 0:13:47.679 --> 0:13:51.160 we've seen this game kind of morph into not one week, 0:13:51.240 --> 0:13:54.480 not two weeks, but the entire season, you know, because 0:13:54.520 --> 0:13:56.760 as soon as it ends, they're talking about the you know, 0:13:56.840 --> 0:14:00.080 the next destination and where you're gonna go and how 0:14:00.160 --> 0:14:02.200 much fun it's gonna be, you know, in Tampa, in 0:14:02.360 --> 0:14:04.600 l a Or in Atlanta, wherever, you know, wherever it's 0:14:04.600 --> 0:14:14.719 gonna be held in the next couple of years. And Minneapolis, Minneapolis, Detroit, No, 0:14:14.880 --> 0:14:17.599 you can keep going. But I mean it's unbelievable the 0:14:18.000 --> 0:14:20.720 fan base, and they're already thinking about the next one. 0:14:20.720 --> 0:14:22.320 You know, I'm gonna get taken. I'm gonna go here, 0:14:22.320 --> 0:14:24.120 and we're gonna go We're gonna spend the whole week. 0:14:24.400 --> 0:14:26.960 You know, there's only a week between that game and 0:14:26.960 --> 0:14:29.320 and the super Bowl. You know, the championships that year, 0:14:29.560 --> 0:14:31.560 so they're already plotting out where they want to go. 0:14:31.680 --> 0:14:34.400 I think they're I think there are Wednesday super Bowls, 0:14:35.200 --> 0:14:38.680 and there were Monday super Bowls. The Wednesday super Bowls 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:42.120 are Minneapolis or you know, cold Weather play. Where are 0:14:42.120 --> 0:14:45.600 you going they put a super Bowl here? I'll wait 0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:51.560 until Wednesday. Go Miami in San Diego, you know, the 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:54.000 Bay Area. Hey, let's go out there Monday. Then we 0:14:54.000 --> 0:14:57.960 can do a lot of stuff. Well, especially if you're 0:14:58.000 --> 0:15:01.160 living in Chicago, you're living in the the East, in Boston, 0:15:01.240 --> 0:15:02.680 you want to get out of the cold. If you're 0:15:02.720 --> 0:15:04.640 thinking about let me, if you're if you're if you're 0:15:04.720 --> 0:15:07.840 in um you're in North Dakota, if you're in New York, 0:15:07.880 --> 0:15:10.640 if you're anywhere on the Eastern Seaboard, if you're in 0:15:10.680 --> 0:15:13.040 the you know, in Colorado or whatever, and you're sitting 0:15:13.080 --> 0:15:15.280 there and it's it's snowing or it's freezing, and all 0:15:15.320 --> 0:15:17.360 of a sudden, on you know, you're you're you're playing, 0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:19.280 You're gonna go to the super Bowl. Yeah, but I 0:15:19.280 --> 0:15:20.720 think I'm gonna go Thursday. And all of a sudden 0:15:20.760 --> 0:15:23.120 you flip it on and you look at like absolutely beautiful. 0:15:24.400 --> 0:15:27.080 They got the beast, the palm trees. Hey, can we 0:15:27.120 --> 0:15:29.440 you guys want to go tomorrow? The hell out of 0:15:29.480 --> 0:15:31.080 here and go tomorrow. You don't have to check the 0:15:31.120 --> 0:15:35.000 weather channel, that's for sure. So speaking of that, you 0:15:35.040 --> 0:15:37.360 know all the side. And again, Miami to me, why 0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:40.160 in Miami is not on a regular rotation for this 0:15:40.200 --> 0:15:42.360 game is to me? To me, the best to me, 0:15:42.400 --> 0:15:44.160 if I was to pick, would be it would be Miami. 0:15:44.400 --> 0:15:46.960 It would be New Orleans, it would be San Diego 0:15:47.640 --> 0:15:50.600 and probably now with the with the uh forty Niners 0:15:50.640 --> 0:15:52.360 and you stand probably the Bay Area up there, probably 0:15:52.440 --> 0:15:58.600 the Vegas. I can't I can't imagine that that might 0:15:58.640 --> 0:16:03.560 be a two week but but anyway, but so this 0:16:03.600 --> 0:16:06.160 is this is one of places. So nowhere is no 0:16:06.280 --> 0:16:08.800 what it's gonna be. Now, the question is, John, when 0:16:08.840 --> 0:16:11.600 you look at this football team used for this football game, 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:15.200 whether to you can make a easy to make a 0:16:15.480 --> 0:16:18.200 We could sit here and go for ten minutes and 0:16:18.240 --> 0:16:20.960 you take Kansas City and I'm gonna take Fancisco, and 0:16:21.480 --> 0:16:23.520 we'll tell each other why that that team is gonna win, 0:16:23.880 --> 0:16:25.880 and then we can flip it over and I can 0:16:25.920 --> 0:16:29.520 tell you the same I can tell you why the 0:16:29.560 --> 0:16:31.600 other guy is gonna win. You know. So it's one 0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:33.880 of those games which I think, to me, I think 0:16:33.880 --> 0:16:35.920 this is uh, I thought, I thought. I heard yesterday 0:16:35.920 --> 0:16:39.720 that this game one point spread is the lowest lowest 0:16:39.840 --> 0:16:43.080 point spread total of any of any Super Bowl. Is 0:16:43.080 --> 0:16:45.600 that close? That's amazing? And when we really do, when 0:16:45.680 --> 0:16:48.880 you dive in and you look at the teams, the names, 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:52.520 you know, the quarterbacks, everybody knows, you know, the defensive 0:16:52.680 --> 0:16:55.640 ends for for each team, or are key defensive players 0:16:55.720 --> 0:16:58.600 everybody knows, but it's the running backs. Go Okay, yeah, 0:16:58.680 --> 0:17:01.560 this guy was all right with Miami and Damian Williams, 0:17:01.600 --> 0:17:03.520 or this guy was you know, this guy was on 0:17:03.640 --> 0:17:07.080 five teams just a couple of years ago for San Francisco. 0:17:07.400 --> 0:17:10.879 So so you you don't really have familiarity, but you 0:17:10.960 --> 0:17:13.360 do in terms of the way they play. And if 0:17:13.359 --> 0:17:17.320 you follow the those two teams throughout the regular season, 0:17:17.760 --> 0:17:20.440 you know that they have fought adversity. You know, they're 0:17:20.480 --> 0:17:22.800 not coming in with you know, just one loss or 0:17:23.080 --> 0:17:25.320 or two losses on the season. They've been able to, 0:17:25.640 --> 0:17:28.919 you know, kind of get back after they've stumbled and 0:17:29.000 --> 0:17:31.159 get back into their winning ways and get on a 0:17:31.280 --> 0:17:33.679 role a little bit. And especially when the playoffs started, 0:17:33.920 --> 0:17:36.520 you know, with the Dolphins beating New England and having 0:17:36.600 --> 0:17:39.000 Kansas City be able to stay at home, you know 0:17:39.080 --> 0:17:41.520 throughout the playoffs really helped them because in their two 0:17:41.520 --> 0:17:43.879 games they fell behind and they kind of needed that 0:17:43.960 --> 0:17:46.879 home field advantage to get that crowd going and get 0:17:46.960 --> 0:17:49.320 themselves back into the football game. And for San fram 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:52.879 the same way, only their wins have been more dominant. 0:17:52.920 --> 0:17:56.040 It seems like you know, they they felt like they 0:17:56.080 --> 0:17:58.920 handled their business a little bit more clean. I guess 0:17:58.960 --> 0:18:02.440 cleaner in Kansas City did. But I just think it's 0:18:02.440 --> 0:18:05.879 gonna be one of those games where the quarterbacks are 0:18:05.880 --> 0:18:08.679 gonna have a lot to say, but the defenses are 0:18:08.720 --> 0:18:11.560 gonna have equally enough to say on the on the 0:18:11.560 --> 0:18:13.320 winner and the outcome of this game. The thing, you know, 0:18:13.359 --> 0:18:15.440 the thing I look at it is in those games. 0:18:15.480 --> 0:18:19.120 I mean you look at San Francisco, uh against Green Bay, 0:18:19.440 --> 0:18:24.600 and and you know who knew rahe most most was 0:18:24.600 --> 0:18:28.080 gonna come out in two some yards four touchdowns in 0:18:28.119 --> 0:18:31.199 the game and become that guy. Now, my guess is 0:18:31.240 --> 0:18:34.920 that he's an afterthought come Monday after Super Bowl. I 0:18:34.920 --> 0:18:38.000 I just can't see. You know, look, everyone knows his 0:18:38.040 --> 0:18:40.680 story now. He's on five, six, sevent team, many teams 0:18:40.680 --> 0:18:42.639 he's he's been on and kind of bounced around. The 0:18:42.640 --> 0:18:46.520 Dolphins had him for a little bit and in this 0:18:46.640 --> 0:18:49.159 and that. But to expect that he's going to do 0:18:49.200 --> 0:18:52.119 it again is a little bit far fest to me. 0:18:52.200 --> 0:18:54.800 But having said that, you know, the other thing I 0:18:54.840 --> 0:18:58.119 look at about that game, uh, the championship game on 0:18:58.160 --> 0:19:00.439 the NFC side is well, I think I thought just 0:19:00.480 --> 0:19:04.200 San Francisco just mauled Green Bay off from the offensive line. 0:19:04.359 --> 0:19:07.119 Think the offensive line just man handled the line of 0:19:07.160 --> 0:19:10.600 scrimmage and the defensive line man handle the line of scrimmage. 0:19:10.720 --> 0:19:12.480 And to me, that was the biggest difference in that 0:19:12.600 --> 0:19:15.959 in that football game. Never allowed you know, and never 0:19:16.000 --> 0:19:20.080 allowed um Aaron Rodgers to really get going, never let 0:19:20.080 --> 0:19:22.719 them get their running game going. And defensively they had 0:19:22.840 --> 0:19:25.040 they had an answer to everything that the Green Bay 0:19:25.080 --> 0:19:27.400 was showing them. Did you think to watching that game? 0:19:27.640 --> 0:19:30.800 I think San Francisco because they're so athletic on the 0:19:30.800 --> 0:19:33.880 offensive line and and Kittle is such a good blocker 0:19:34.000 --> 0:19:36.760 at tight end. The way they scheme their runs are 0:19:36.760 --> 0:19:39.040 a lot different than a lot of teams in the NFL. 0:19:39.160 --> 0:19:41.720 You know, pulling a tackle and landing your tight end 0:19:41.760 --> 0:19:44.399 seal and that let that tackle get to the second 0:19:44.480 --> 0:19:47.200 level when you're running a counter that takes a long time. 0:19:47.280 --> 0:19:50.080 But yet they were still able to be able to 0:19:50.280 --> 0:19:52.919 get the angles on those blocks because they're so strong 0:19:52.960 --> 0:19:55.359 and athletic to get there. I just think that brings 0:19:55.359 --> 0:19:58.639 a whole new dynamic and to me, Kittle. Kittle is 0:19:58.720 --> 0:20:01.000 really one of the keys dun look at and look, 0:20:01.280 --> 0:20:04.120 you can talk about him catching the full tight ends 0:20:04.400 --> 0:20:07.719 exactly runs after catch, you know, you can talk about that, 0:20:08.080 --> 0:20:09.800 but but I think you're right. The thing to me 0:20:09.880 --> 0:20:13.240 that makes him such a perfect fit for the forty 0:20:13.320 --> 0:20:15.560 niners is his ability to block. You come in a 0:20:15.560 --> 0:20:18.720 wham block and take somebody out. They're not they're not 0:20:18.760 --> 0:20:21.919 afraid to set him over defensive enage and try to 0:20:21.920 --> 0:20:24.560 get him in a position. And you know, normally you watch, 0:20:24.840 --> 0:20:27.120 you know, you see a lot of time match. Yeah, 0:20:27.119 --> 0:20:29.240 they put a you know, they put a linebacker over 0:20:29.240 --> 0:20:31.000 a tight end or a defensive end over and the 0:20:31.000 --> 0:20:34.080 guy gets run over. Well, Kittle matches up and blocks 0:20:34.480 --> 0:20:36.240 as well as just about any with them, and it 0:20:36.240 --> 0:20:39.200 gives them a lot of a lot of freedom. Yeah, 0:20:39.359 --> 0:20:44.600 And to me, it's almost this game maybe about perimeter football. 0:20:44.440 --> 0:20:46.840 Which team is going to be able to get their 0:20:46.920 --> 0:20:50.680 running game out to the perimeters. You know, just think back, 0:20:50.760 --> 0:20:54.480 think back to the game Kansas City's game against Tennessee. 0:20:54.760 --> 0:20:58.560 That that one play where where Mahomes gets out almost 0:20:59.080 --> 0:21:02.040 barely gets around the corner and then you've got people 0:21:02.080 --> 0:21:04.240 got any out runs down the side. One of the 0:21:04.280 --> 0:21:07.040 great runs that we've seen in you know, in playoff football, 0:21:07.480 --> 0:21:09.520 and you know there it is that perimeter game. If 0:21:09.520 --> 0:21:12.560 you got to you know, cant keep him off the 0:21:12.560 --> 0:21:15.600 perimeter and keep him from turning that corner. That's gonna 0:21:15.600 --> 0:21:17.080 be one of the big issues for them. But you 0:21:17.080 --> 0:21:19.680 can say in France, have some balance because I don't 0:21:19.680 --> 0:21:21.520 think in a Super Bowl. I mean they did it 0:21:21.560 --> 0:21:24.480 in an an NFC championship game. They didn't throw pass 0:21:24.480 --> 0:21:27.480 in the third quarter. I mean, can you continue to 0:21:27.480 --> 0:21:30.160 to live like that and and be able to work 0:21:30.160 --> 0:21:32.640 off of play action now, because you know Kansas City 0:21:32.680 --> 0:21:35.000 is gonna have an answer at the line of scrimmage. 0:21:35.040 --> 0:21:37.080 You know they're gonna it's not going to be as 0:21:37.119 --> 0:21:40.080 easy as it was. I don't think in the championship game. 0:21:40.119 --> 0:21:42.760 Now it might be. Look, I think what things Kansas 0:21:42.800 --> 0:21:46.080 City may have going for them from that standpoint is, 0:21:46.200 --> 0:21:49.119 you know Tennessee tried to remember Tennessee came out in 0:21:49.119 --> 0:21:52.080 the championship, they went three tights. You know, they're trying 0:21:52.080 --> 0:21:53.959 to do all that stuff, trying to get the corners 0:21:53.960 --> 0:21:56.440 and listen that so so Kansas City had a chance, 0:21:56.520 --> 0:21:58.200 had a had a game a couple of weeks ago 0:21:58.840 --> 0:22:01.800 defending I think they're gonna see out of the forty 0:22:01.880 --> 0:22:05.119 niners in a different fashion, but still that work in 0:22:05.160 --> 0:22:07.760 the corners and trying to you know, trying to break 0:22:07.760 --> 0:22:10.240 down that uh, trying to you know, break down the 0:22:10.240 --> 0:22:13.600 contain the perimeter and find and find a soft corner on. Yeah, 0:22:13.640 --> 0:22:17.280 it'll be it'll be interesting how how the defensive schemes 0:22:17.720 --> 0:22:20.119 and what they try their answers are gonna be to 0:22:20.280 --> 0:22:23.320 the multiple sets of San Francisco and Kansas City can 0:22:23.359 --> 0:22:25.320 give you. I think Kansas City is a little bit 0:22:25.359 --> 0:22:27.480 more free wheeling with a let's just go one back 0:22:27.520 --> 0:22:30.679 and let's let's spread everybody out and let Patrick decide 0:22:30.720 --> 0:22:32.600 where he wants to go with the football. And I 0:22:32.640 --> 0:22:34.520 think it's gonna be a key for him to be 0:22:34.560 --> 0:22:37.280 patient because San Franz gonna sit back in zone. They 0:22:37.280 --> 0:22:39.680 can put pressure with just four, you know, so they're 0:22:39.680 --> 0:22:41.920 gonna sit back in those zone coverages, and you're gonna 0:22:41.960 --> 0:22:44.880 have to be take what's there in the passing game 0:22:44.920 --> 0:22:47.160 and not really forced the issue down the field, because 0:22:47.200 --> 0:22:51.200 that's how opposing teams put the ball at risk, you know, 0:22:51.480 --> 0:22:54.080 for the corners, and and Sherman coming up with a 0:22:54.080 --> 0:22:56.120 couple of picks in the in the postseason and being 0:22:56.160 --> 0:22:59.160 able to get greedy, you know when when you don't 0:22:59.240 --> 0:23:01.000 need to, when you just need to kind of let 0:23:01.000 --> 0:23:03.000 it come to you as a quarterback. And that'll be 0:23:03.080 --> 0:23:05.240 something to watch. The other thing, too, is watching Kansas 0:23:05.280 --> 0:23:07.440 City their offense. You know, they just you know, Andy 0:23:07.480 --> 0:23:09.359 Reid's gonna come up with some different wrinkles. He's gonna 0:23:09.359 --> 0:23:11.680 show you different things. And I can recall going when 0:23:11.680 --> 0:23:14.560 we were when the Dolphins played Kansas City a few 0:23:14.640 --> 0:23:17.480 years ago, going out there when Albert Wilson was still 0:23:17.480 --> 0:23:20.840 on the Chiefs and much like they used Tyreek Hill. 0:23:20.880 --> 0:23:23.320 Now you know they were using Albert on those jeff 0:23:23.880 --> 0:23:26.720 Man fake Jeff you know, just motion give in motion 0:23:26.760 --> 0:23:28.600 and now everyone and then you come the other way. 0:23:29.280 --> 0:23:32.480 And so you know he he's Andy Reid knows this 0:23:32.680 --> 0:23:36.440 offense and put this offense together so much that misdirection 0:23:36.960 --> 0:23:40.440 wide misdirection is gonna be a big part of this game. 0:23:40.480 --> 0:23:41.920 And the other thing is I think when you look 0:23:41.920 --> 0:23:46.760 at Kansas City's offense and you got a a very 0:23:46.800 --> 0:23:49.800 you know, speed kills on their offense and they're a fast. 0:23:50.280 --> 0:23:54.560 Fact you can't lose leverage the San Francisco and and 0:23:54.640 --> 0:23:58.040 being disciplined with your leverage, and you got you got 0:23:58.080 --> 0:23:59.879 that front. You know. One of the things I've always 0:24:00.040 --> 0:24:04.920 you know, much like much like when when when Um 0:24:04.960 --> 0:24:07.719 the Giants beat New England, when when they played him 0:24:07.720 --> 0:24:10.240 in the Super Bowl, when New England was undefeated, their 0:24:10.280 --> 0:24:13.840 ability to just rush four guys up front create pressure. 0:24:14.280 --> 0:24:16.000 And look, they had Eli Manning back, you know, I 0:24:16.080 --> 0:24:21.960 mean not ely Man. They had Um who was h Brady. 0:24:21.960 --> 0:24:24.240 Brady wasn't going in, you know, so so it wasn't 0:24:24.280 --> 0:24:27.360 the same. It wasn't the same as having Patrick Mahomes. 0:24:27.720 --> 0:24:30.200 I think San Francisco can do that with their front four. 0:24:30.600 --> 0:24:32.680 But they're gonna have to be Cognis in the passing lanes. 0:24:33.080 --> 0:24:36.840 They're going to be Congress and the quarterback front side 0:24:36.840 --> 0:24:39.160 and backside. Because one thing, you know, you know, especially 0:24:39.200 --> 0:24:42.040 like you know, Nick Boles and Nick nick Nicks played great. 0:24:42.280 --> 0:24:46.320 You know, Um all year long. He's been dominant. If 0:24:46.359 --> 0:24:49.120 I see one flawing Nick, it's he wants to make 0:24:49.160 --> 0:24:52.040 every play. So they run that little sweep to the 0:24:52.080 --> 0:24:56.080 other side he's collapsed down, You do that little fake toss, 0:24:56.600 --> 0:24:59.560 run the naked boot coming back. And especially you got 0:24:59.560 --> 0:25:01.640 Mahomes who can you got now you got him run 0:25:01.640 --> 0:25:04.840 past and he's out there and he opened, and he's 0:25:04.880 --> 0:25:07.560 got leverage, he's wide open, got a tight end. You 0:25:07.680 --> 0:25:10.480 got Kelsey coming across the field, you got the high low, 0:25:10.960 --> 0:25:13.200 or I can run and and and attack the line 0:25:13.240 --> 0:25:15.600 of scrimmage. Well, that that, to me is going to 0:25:15.680 --> 0:25:17.760 be one of the issues that I think that that 0:25:18.359 --> 0:25:21.000 that and I've watched I watched the forty nights enough 0:25:21.000 --> 0:25:23.119 to wear. You can see where they've they've kind of 0:25:23.119 --> 0:25:25.600 school bows on that. But he's just he's got that 0:25:26.160 --> 0:25:29.200 mentality wanted to make every play, and sometimes he bites 0:25:29.240 --> 0:25:31.399 in that cheese and and so so there's a lot 0:25:31.440 --> 0:25:35.719 of different opportunity. There was speed and athleticism on offense 0:25:35.760 --> 0:25:39.320 for Kansas City versus speed and athleticism on the defensive 0:25:39.320 --> 0:25:41.920 side of the fort with San Francisco. That that is 0:25:41.920 --> 0:25:46.600 gonna be those two two those that matchup Kansas City's 0:25:46.600 --> 0:25:51.160 offense against San Francisco's defense. To me is it's that's 0:25:51.200 --> 0:25:53.800 the that's the cotton candy. That's the one you want 0:25:53.800 --> 0:25:55.639 to bite up and watch it. Whereas when you look 0:25:55.680 --> 0:25:59.000 at the others offense against the other one, you you 0:25:59.200 --> 0:26:00.600 kind of feel like it's gonna be more of a 0:26:00.920 --> 0:26:03.320 more of that three three yards in a cloud of dust, 0:26:03.600 --> 0:26:05.760 and it's gonna be more of of three and out 0:26:05.880 --> 0:26:08.800 and in the field position, you know, and in finding 0:26:08.840 --> 0:26:12.040 a way to limit the explosive place for Kansas City. 0:26:12.320 --> 0:26:14.520 And on the other side for San Francisco, they want 0:26:14.520 --> 0:26:17.560 to possess the football, keep Patrick Mahomes on the sideline, 0:26:17.720 --> 0:26:20.240 so they're gonna try to grind it out. Play action. 0:26:20.400 --> 0:26:22.800 Get Jimmy on that little play action where he has 0:26:22.840 --> 0:26:25.320 the tight end really quick in the flat, get the football, 0:26:25.400 --> 0:26:27.560 They move the chains, and they do it again, and 0:26:27.600 --> 0:26:31.199 they start on that clock. Because the less opportunities and 0:26:31.200 --> 0:26:33.760 possessions you can give Kansas City in this game, I 0:26:33.800 --> 0:26:36.919 think that's one of those keys for San Francisco that 0:26:36.920 --> 0:26:41.040 they're gonna try to, you know, create ball possession and 0:26:41.160 --> 0:26:45.800 create time of possession and create field position wins to 0:26:45.960 --> 0:26:49.600 make them go eight and ninety. Let me ask you this, John, Uh, 0:26:49.720 --> 0:26:53.520 Jimmy Garoppolo biggest game he's ever played in his life. 0:26:53.840 --> 0:26:56.080 Last week was the biggest game. Two weeks ago was 0:26:56.119 --> 0:26:59.480 the biggest game he played in his life. Uh. They 0:26:59.480 --> 0:27:01.040 you know, he have to throw the ball a lot 0:27:01.040 --> 0:27:02.840 way you throw eight times, the don't have to throw 0:27:02.840 --> 0:27:04.639 the whole ball a whole bunch. They were able to 0:27:04.680 --> 0:27:08.200 run the football. Um, I've got to think that Kansas 0:27:08.200 --> 0:27:09.960 City going in this game says, Hey, you know what, 0:27:09.960 --> 0:27:12.119 if someone's gonna beat us, it's gonna be Jimmy Garrold. 0:27:12.119 --> 0:27:14.240 I think they're gonna come after you got well you 0:27:16.359 --> 0:27:18.520 they got to stop the run and force him to 0:27:18.760 --> 0:27:21.399 If they gotta make him be the focus of that offense, 0:27:22.000 --> 0:27:23.800 you gotta win or lout. You're gonna You're gonna have 0:27:23.800 --> 0:27:26.880 to win or lose with Jimmy garl want to the Titans. 0:27:27.280 --> 0:27:29.919 I'm not saying that everybody has a Derrick Henry in 0:27:29.960 --> 0:27:33.080 the backfield, because they don't. But that's the formula. You 0:27:33.160 --> 0:27:35.199 have to win on first and second down. If you 0:27:35.240 --> 0:27:39.399 get the third night, make the quarterback win against man 0:27:39.440 --> 0:27:41.879 coverage and make him do it with the least amount 0:27:41.920 --> 0:27:44.160 of time in the pocket. And I think that's where 0:27:44.240 --> 0:27:46.639 Kansas City wants it to be. If they can stop 0:27:46.760 --> 0:27:49.520 or slow down the run and then send that extra 0:27:49.600 --> 0:27:53.280 guy that makes Garoppolo maybe want to throw it account early, 0:27:53.840 --> 0:27:56.199 that's that's their advantage. That's where they want the game 0:27:56.280 --> 0:27:58.159 to be played. It's funny because if you look at 0:27:58.160 --> 0:27:59.920 the teams and they're very different, but they're very sim 0:28:00.080 --> 0:28:03.360 her tight end dominant. Right, both teams are tied and dominant. 0:28:03.359 --> 0:28:07.840 Both teams have pretty good offensive lines. Yeah, it's uh, 0:28:08.080 --> 0:28:10.040 it's yeah. It's gonna be a nice little match up here. 0:28:10.040 --> 0:28:13.879 And very fortunate now to be joined by uh by 0:28:14.119 --> 0:28:16.119 Uh Well, first of all, one of my favorite players 0:28:16.160 --> 0:28:19.159 ever for the for the Miami Dolphins and one of 0:28:19.200 --> 0:28:21.280 the classiest guys they've ever played for the Dolphins. And 0:28:21.280 --> 0:28:26.199 hopefully we see him here UH on Saturday morning. I 0:28:26.200 --> 0:28:28.280 guess at sometimes I don't know if it's morning or 0:28:28.720 --> 0:28:34.760 mid afternoon. When he has little knock on the door 0:28:34.840 --> 0:28:36.920 and in the in the world, I think we'll all celebrate, 0:28:37.440 --> 0:28:40.720 Uh celebrate that. Zach Thomas and uh join us right now. Zach, Hey, 0:28:40.720 --> 0:28:43.400 thanks for joining us in uh, John Kenjimmy Kimbo camper 0:28:43.440 --> 0:28:45.120 with you. Appreciate you taking some time out for us. 0:28:45.160 --> 0:28:47.560 I know it's a busy week and an exciting week 0:28:47.600 --> 0:28:53.120 for you, so we really appreciate your time. Thanks Zach. 0:28:53.720 --> 0:28:57.080 So so, Zach tell me here here we are early week, 0:28:57.160 --> 0:29:01.040 Super Bowl week, UM Hall of Fame coming up, you're 0:29:01.040 --> 0:29:04.560 one of the finalists. Uh, five guys being picked. What's 0:29:04.600 --> 0:29:08.440 in your gut right now? Man? It's uh, you know what, 0:29:09.680 --> 0:29:12.360 I already feel like I won. Man, even if I 0:29:12.400 --> 0:29:15.440 get the phone call. I mean, just to be in 0:29:15.480 --> 0:29:20.600 the conversation to me is humbling because you know, it's 0:29:20.800 --> 0:29:24.360 it's an individual award with but it's a team game 0:29:24.760 --> 0:29:28.000 and so and you both know of all the great 0:29:28.040 --> 0:29:33.560 talent we had around me and jt Um during those 0:29:33.600 --> 0:29:37.640 times with Jimmy Johnson, you know, days and and that 0:29:37.800 --> 0:29:40.040 was fun. So for me to get all the credit 0:29:40.520 --> 0:29:44.280 is kind of like, uh, you know, but you know 0:29:44.320 --> 0:29:48.880 I'll take it. You know, how do you how do 0:29:48.880 --> 0:29:50.680 you have you? If you if you if you got 0:29:50.800 --> 0:29:52.960 got a swath of a cloth out to see what 0:29:53.000 --> 0:29:56.640 you look like in in mustard yellow? No, no, no, 0:29:57.200 --> 0:30:00.920 I never I never, yeah, I ever do that. And 0:30:01.080 --> 0:30:04.280 that's not me. And that's not really me to be 0:30:04.360 --> 0:30:06.360 out you know me, I get you, I get you 0:30:06.600 --> 0:30:10.160 pain or anything like that. Never, that's not me because 0:30:10.880 --> 0:30:14.000 I feel like, uh, man, the game has been so 0:30:14.040 --> 0:30:17.200 good to me for me to expect anything that it 0:30:17.240 --> 0:30:20.200 owes me something. Man. No, Man, it doesn't know mean nothing. 0:30:20.240 --> 0:30:24.760 It gave me everything. It's from purpose to family to 0:30:25.800 --> 0:30:30.520 just a great life down here, and so I'm very grateful. 0:30:30.640 --> 0:30:33.400 Well it was, Zach. I think much like much like 0:30:33.560 --> 0:30:36.560 your your career with the Miami Dolphins, this this event 0:30:36.680 --> 0:30:39.080 coming up, this super Bowl, or this Hall of Fame 0:30:39.160 --> 0:30:42.400 moment for you, um is much like the way you played. 0:30:42.600 --> 0:30:44.479 You didn't need to talk about it. You just went 0:30:44.480 --> 0:30:45.880 out in the field. You did your job, and you 0:30:45.920 --> 0:30:48.640 did your job as well or better than anybody else. 0:30:48.640 --> 0:30:52.000 You prepared better than than anybody I've ever seen. And 0:30:52.000 --> 0:30:54.480 and so yeah, you you allowed your your game to talk, 0:30:54.520 --> 0:30:56.520 and your game is still talking. I think that's why 0:30:56.800 --> 0:30:58.320 you're on the cusp of the Hall of Fame right now, 0:30:58.480 --> 0:31:00.840 no doubt about that. Well appreciate it because I mean, 0:31:00.880 --> 0:31:02.640 if I deserve to make it, I'll make you play 0:31:02.800 --> 0:31:05.200 simple because the rest is all ego. You know, it's 0:31:05.480 --> 0:31:09.760 it's uh so, And if I don't, I don't, you know, 0:31:09.800 --> 0:31:14.520 But it doesn't take away because you remember Kim when 0:31:14.560 --> 0:31:17.240 I came in as a rookie and ninety six, it's 0:31:17.280 --> 0:31:19.200 just a big meat head. Me and Larry is though, 0:31:19.240 --> 0:31:22.160 it's just like ready to go, you know, we're just 0:31:22.200 --> 0:31:24.640 trying to make the team. I want to make special teams. 0:31:24.640 --> 0:31:26.840 And then, you know, looking back at it, when I 0:31:26.880 --> 0:31:29.560 was eight years old, coming from a small town of Texas, man, 0:31:29.600 --> 0:31:31.800 I never imagined this. You just keep pushing the bar 0:31:31.920 --> 0:31:34.240 higher and higher and higher for me to be in 0:31:34.240 --> 0:31:36.920 the conversation. Man, come on, man, Well you know what, Zach, 0:31:37.160 --> 0:31:40.160 I think it's number one. Remarkable because of the career 0:31:40.200 --> 0:31:42.000 that you had in the type of man and the 0:31:42.040 --> 0:31:44.400 type of person that you are. And everybody knows that, 0:31:44.920 --> 0:31:47.320 uh in South Florida and back in Texas, just by 0:31:47.320 --> 0:31:49.840 the way you handle yourself. But I wanted to ask 0:31:49.880 --> 0:31:54.320 you what motivated you the most. I know that there 0:31:54.320 --> 0:31:57.800 were things that you know, in my personal life that 0:31:57.920 --> 0:31:59.959 you had a draw on that you had to continually 0:32:00.520 --> 0:32:02.800 kind of read or look at and and say, that's 0:32:02.800 --> 0:32:04.680 not gonna happen. I'm gonna be determined to do it 0:32:04.720 --> 0:32:07.040 this way and this is how, this is what's gonna 0:32:07.120 --> 0:32:09.600 lead me to help my team win. What was the 0:32:09.640 --> 0:32:12.840 most thing that you kind of relied on or or 0:32:12.960 --> 0:32:16.880 tried to maybe recite or think about that motivated you 0:32:16.920 --> 0:32:19.680 to be the best player you could be that would 0:32:19.760 --> 0:32:23.080 ultimately help your team win. Well, because I didn't fit 0:32:23.160 --> 0:32:26.880 the part John Um, I didn't look the park Um. 0:32:26.920 --> 0:32:29.680 That motivated my whole career because even out of high school, 0:32:29.680 --> 0:32:31.720 I was like two time on State and I still 0:32:31.720 --> 0:32:34.720 didn't get but two offers. And then in college two 0:32:34.760 --> 0:32:37.640 time on American went to the Buckets Awards with Kevin 0:32:37.640 --> 0:32:39.920 Hardy ray Lewis and I still go a hundred fifty 0:32:39.960 --> 0:32:43.760 four pick. So for me, I always found it in 0:32:43.880 --> 0:32:46.480 that like I had that chip on my shoulder because 0:32:46.560 --> 0:32:49.080 I knew every one of those seventeen guys that were 0:32:49.160 --> 0:32:53.400 drafted out ahead of me. Of linebackers, I mean, I 0:32:53.400 --> 0:32:55.040 I pretty much. I don't want to sit here and 0:32:55.080 --> 0:32:58.000 name them all, but Kevin Hardy, ray Lewis, Donnie Edwards, 0:32:58.320 --> 0:33:02.680 Steve Conley, Reggie Brown, Teddy Bruski is a good linebacker, 0:33:03.840 --> 0:33:08.240 the Curtis Jones who was before me, Um, say, Reggie Brown, 0:33:08.320 --> 0:33:11.760 personal gas. I knew every one of those guys John 0:33:12.360 --> 0:33:15.680 earlier in my career because I reminded myself man, because 0:33:15.840 --> 0:33:18.560 hey man, I just wanted the opportunity and I got it, 0:33:18.600 --> 0:33:23.200 and I got so lucky to land with Jimmy Johnson too, 0:33:23.800 --> 0:33:26.680 to be able to be in the right system that's 0:33:26.760 --> 0:33:29.040 luck man to be because I could have went to 0:33:29.080 --> 0:33:31.960 any of these three four systems that you know they're 0:33:32.000 --> 0:33:35.600 plugger guys, I would it wouldn't have worked there, um. 0:33:35.760 --> 0:33:38.560 And to be trusted as a rookie to start from 0:33:38.560 --> 0:33:41.840 the get go, come on, man, I was blessed in that. 0:33:42.080 --> 0:33:43.760 So that's a little lucky. You gotta have a little 0:33:43.800 --> 0:33:46.680 luck along the way. But I'm asked for the motivational 0:33:46.760 --> 0:33:48.920 part of it. Man, I was the most motivated guy. 0:33:49.200 --> 0:33:52.200 Motivated guy because I always look for it. Because when 0:33:52.200 --> 0:33:55.120 I played, and I was playing, when I was playing good, 0:33:55.560 --> 0:33:59.200 I'd always pull out clips from what I cut out 0:33:59.280 --> 0:34:02.160 for anybody knocking my game or whatever, just to keep 0:34:02.200 --> 0:34:06.320 me never too coaked. It was always to keep my 0:34:06.360 --> 0:34:08.680 mind set because the game I humble you man, you 0:34:08.719 --> 0:34:11.840 start playing really good, you start your your your prep 0:34:11.920 --> 0:34:17.799 gets lazy, and you yourself. Oh and I never wanted 0:34:17.840 --> 0:34:21.040 to be comfortable. So if I had, you know, kim 0:34:21.040 --> 0:34:22.759 back in the day when I had those busters on 0:34:22.840 --> 0:34:25.000 my mouth, I was playing pretty good at the time 0:34:25.040 --> 0:34:27.480 because I was stressed out. And that's what I love 0:34:27.520 --> 0:34:31.080 because I made stress my friend. You know, hey, Zach, 0:34:31.320 --> 0:34:34.560 you know I Jimmy Johnson. You talked about Jimmy he 0:34:34.600 --> 0:34:37.439 went in uh last week, and I'm sure you saw 0:34:37.520 --> 0:34:39.880 what it was, just an emotional, emotional thing. And I 0:34:39.920 --> 0:34:41.720 know how much Jimmy meant to you, not only because 0:34:41.719 --> 0:34:44.719 he drafted you, um, but talk a little bit about 0:34:44.800 --> 0:34:48.120 Jimmy beyond the getting drafted and beyond you know, you know, 0:34:48.320 --> 0:34:49.839 putting you in there as the start of the first 0:34:49.880 --> 0:34:52.279 week and putting Jack del Rio into coaching business a 0:34:52.280 --> 0:34:54.200 little earlier than he wanted to be in in the 0:34:54.280 --> 0:34:57.560 coaching business. But what was it about playing for Jimmy 0:34:57.640 --> 0:35:01.120 Johnson that because Jimmy kindie, Jimmy was kind of on 0:35:01.160 --> 0:35:03.520 that customer of the old school new school kind of 0:35:03.520 --> 0:35:06.240 guys where he was still tough. You guys did inside 0:35:06.280 --> 0:35:09.359 drill every day, you did live tackling, You did all 0:35:09.400 --> 0:35:12.400 this too. What was it about Jimmy and his way 0:35:12.520 --> 0:35:17.600 of coaching his team and motivating his players brought the 0:35:17.600 --> 0:35:20.680 best out of you? Well, I owe everything Jimmy, just 0:35:20.800 --> 0:35:23.439 like I said earlier about for the opportunity and even 0:35:23.520 --> 0:35:26.080 drafted me, but just for having all the talent around me. 0:35:26.160 --> 0:35:28.680 But the thing that they always talked about, how he's 0:35:28.680 --> 0:35:31.920 a great talent evaluator. But he was great at motivating too. 0:35:32.520 --> 0:35:35.239 I mean he had what a psychology degree or or 0:35:35.880 --> 0:35:38.719 something in that way, and he would come with all 0:35:38.719 --> 0:35:42.200 these speeches that were very motivating. But Jimmy was a 0:35:42.239 --> 0:35:44.719 guy that when he came in the room, because he 0:35:44.760 --> 0:35:49.240 had that intimidating presence. There's few guys that I've been around, 0:35:49.280 --> 0:35:51.960 like they had pat Riley come into our room to 0:35:52.000 --> 0:35:54.960 talk to us one time, and he has that presence. 0:35:55.440 --> 0:35:58.239 Not too many guys have that presence were you know, 0:35:58.280 --> 0:36:01.080 there's other coaches that everybody was just horsing around when 0:36:01.080 --> 0:36:02.719 they come to the room. When Jimmy came in the room, 0:36:02.840 --> 0:36:06.839 everybody got quiet, and everybody was there in the meeting room. 0:36:06.880 --> 0:36:08.600 It didn't matter if we have a nine o'clock meeting. 0:36:08.600 --> 0:36:13.440 Guys were there at fifty because they knew if everybody 0:36:13.480 --> 0:36:15.160 was there and there was one guy missing, it was 0:36:16.040 --> 0:36:19.120 he was late. Didn't matter if nine o'clock meeting. That 0:36:19.239 --> 0:36:23.080 was Jimmy. Jimmy could look at me and and if 0:36:23.080 --> 0:36:24.759 I wasn't playing so good, he just give me that 0:36:24.840 --> 0:36:28.880 look and he already got the message across those that 0:36:29.120 --> 0:36:32.200 right there. Just special how he can motivate guys he 0:36:32.280 --> 0:36:35.239 knew who the guys to push, who to be harder on. 0:36:35.840 --> 0:36:38.800 But yes, those days of practicing then, Man, I remember 0:36:38.800 --> 0:36:41.279 going live in the middle of the season because we 0:36:41.280 --> 0:36:44.360 weren't practicing hard and tackling to the ground, and I 0:36:44.400 --> 0:36:48.400 think Kareem Adul Jabar got hurt um and I felt 0:36:48.400 --> 0:36:49.880 bad for that because I was on a blitz and 0:36:49.880 --> 0:36:51.839 I hit him. But he didn't even play that week 0:36:51.880 --> 0:36:55.239 because we're going live in practice, you know, so, But yeah, 0:36:55.320 --> 0:36:58.960 Jimmy was the best man. Yeah, Zack, I wanted to 0:36:58.960 --> 0:37:02.080 ask you a little bit about the mental side of it. 0:37:02.200 --> 0:37:05.400 Everybody could see the physical traits that you possessed in 0:37:05.440 --> 0:37:08.640 the passion that you played with, but I was hoping 0:37:08.640 --> 0:37:11.960 that you could remember maybe a story or two that 0:37:12.200 --> 0:37:14.600 you're playing in a game and you're calling out a 0:37:14.760 --> 0:37:17.880 play in terms of being able to know exactly where 0:37:17.880 --> 0:37:20.560 that offense is going with the run, with the play action, 0:37:20.640 --> 0:37:23.399 whatever it may be, and that quarterback kind of looks 0:37:23.400 --> 0:37:25.480 at you, like like Jimmy Johnson looked at you when 0:37:25.480 --> 0:37:27.040 he wanted you to turn it up a little bit, 0:37:27.200 --> 0:37:32.680 going that SLB knows exactly where we're going. Well, I'll 0:37:32.719 --> 0:37:35.080 tell you what. When we I mean, it used to 0:37:35.080 --> 0:37:37.240 be a chess match when we play like a Peyton 0:37:37.239 --> 0:37:41.400 Man or Tom Brady, because those guys always had a 0:37:41.400 --> 0:37:44.200 lot of time when they were in the snap count, 0:37:44.280 --> 0:37:46.920 you know, usually around eighteen seconds through over there seeing 0:37:46.960 --> 0:37:50.960 what we have there and we're disguising and doing all that, 0:37:51.160 --> 0:37:54.040 but then they make a call and how you do adjust? 0:37:54.200 --> 0:37:56.319 How do you adjust, and so that part of it, 0:37:56.560 --> 0:37:59.920 that's what I'm missed all the priest. Snap was my 0:38:00.080 --> 0:38:03.719 favorite part of the game. That's why walk through it 0:38:03.880 --> 0:38:08.200 was more important to me than practice because I'm wasting 0:38:08.239 --> 0:38:11.080 my time if I don't get my alignment right and 0:38:11.120 --> 0:38:14.520 I'm talking about alignment could be one inch, one direction 0:38:14.600 --> 0:38:18.359 or the other my depth, because it was the most 0:38:18.400 --> 0:38:21.600 important for me. It was my alignment and assignment. And 0:38:21.600 --> 0:38:24.800 that's when you win anyways, right Kim, because it usually 0:38:24.840 --> 0:38:28.440 on Monday morning is the coach is telling you what 0:38:28.640 --> 0:38:31.120 you did wrong when you get beat because you beat 0:38:31.120 --> 0:38:32.920 yourself way board and the other team beat you. So 0:38:33.040 --> 0:38:36.919 for me, walk through was my most important thing because 0:38:36.920 --> 0:38:39.279 it was overlooked or what a lot of guys they 0:38:39.320 --> 0:38:41.319 always like horsing around, But that was when I was 0:38:41.440 --> 0:38:44.719 most focused because I felt like I always had a 0:38:44.719 --> 0:38:49.000 live relied on the angles. Never get an offensive alignment, 0:38:49.040 --> 0:38:53.080 a clean angle at me versus different formations, because you know, 0:38:53.120 --> 0:38:55.880 I want the biggest guy, so I always angles was 0:38:55.920 --> 0:38:58.920 important to me. And when they tried to go wide 0:38:59.080 --> 0:39:01.279 to get to me for the perimeter, a lot of 0:39:01.280 --> 0:39:03.720 times they run into Timbo. You don't know why Timbo, 0:39:05.719 --> 0:39:07.680 so they couldn't even get to me. So and then 0:39:07.719 --> 0:39:09.520 when they're trying to get to that angle, they're not 0:39:09.600 --> 0:39:12.279 square on you. You could take them wherever you want. Now, 0:39:12.280 --> 0:39:13.960 if I was to take on the guard and try 0:39:14.000 --> 0:39:17.080 to go man up like even John Offlow used to do, 0:39:17.280 --> 0:39:19.640 I can't do that. That's not me. It's not me. 0:39:19.800 --> 0:39:22.840 I can't do that because I would get mauled. And 0:39:22.960 --> 0:39:27.239 so that was so important to me. Um, I got 0:39:27.239 --> 0:39:31.319 off rambling on your your your question there, John, Sorry, 0:39:31.360 --> 0:39:34.680 But with the whole mindset part of it, like if 0:39:34.760 --> 0:39:38.400 I was to catch a player two during the game, 0:39:38.560 --> 0:39:41.279 it would tell me that I'm in their playbook when 0:39:41.280 --> 0:39:44.080 I really wasn't. And you got to react as a linebacker. 0:39:44.920 --> 0:39:47.880 But before game, before going in the game, and you 0:39:47.960 --> 0:39:50.319 prepped really good. You've got a lot of confidence, man, 0:39:50.520 --> 0:39:53.640 because you know I didn't have all the tangibles with 0:39:53.960 --> 0:39:58.360 the speed or or the size, but I was probably 0:39:58.400 --> 0:40:01.120 the most confident player on the field because of all 0:40:01.160 --> 0:40:03.239 that prep and it was a skill I trained man 0:40:03.480 --> 0:40:07.440 over the years, and that helped me with the anticipation 0:40:07.600 --> 0:40:11.600 and UH and reading the play you touched on, you 0:40:11.719 --> 0:40:17.160 touched on on Tim Bowen's. I had Darryl Gardner, Trace Armstrong, 0:40:17.600 --> 0:40:26.480 Jason Taylor, um Channing, Crowder, Patrick, Sam um Rock Marion. 0:40:26.760 --> 0:40:28.560 I don't know who who are the other safety coming 0:40:28.560 --> 0:40:31.480 in and out was, but you guys, You guys the 0:40:31.480 --> 0:40:34.319 one thing I always enjoyed watching. I enjoyed watching the 0:40:34.320 --> 0:40:37.560 way you guys played, but I also enjoyed watching you 0:40:37.600 --> 0:40:40.880 guys played because I know how close you guys were, 0:40:40.960 --> 0:40:43.040 you know, and had the opportunity play on some on 0:40:43.160 --> 0:40:45.960 some teams where we were just so close that you 0:40:46.040 --> 0:40:49.560 could have nonverbal communication. Guys knew what you're doing. You know, 0:40:49.640 --> 0:40:51.080 you don't even have to say anything. You can look 0:40:51.080 --> 0:40:52.640 in the eye and they knew what you're thinking. And 0:40:52.719 --> 0:40:55.440 I just both on and off the field, I just 0:40:55.480 --> 0:40:58.799 felt like you guys were such a close unit that 0:40:59.160 --> 0:41:02.760 um did it did it made you a really really 0:41:02.800 --> 0:41:06.120 good defense although you had really good individuals. You you 0:41:06.160 --> 0:41:08.879 were better as a unit than you were the individuals 0:41:08.960 --> 0:41:13.680 of that unit. And it was fun. I wouldn't have 0:41:13.680 --> 0:41:17.520 trade that defense for anyone. I mean, you know, it 0:41:17.600 --> 0:41:20.839 was kind of hard at times because you gotta take 0:41:20.840 --> 0:41:23.880 care of yourselves first on defense. Don't worry about what 0:41:23.960 --> 0:41:25.839 the offense is doing, because a lot of times they 0:41:25.840 --> 0:41:29.239 were lied on the defense because at the time it 0:41:29.400 --> 0:41:32.480 was okay to punt. It's never okay to punt, you 0:41:32.520 --> 0:41:35.200 know what I'm saying. But for us sometimes we go 0:41:35.239 --> 0:41:37.160 to the sidelines and by the time to get you water, 0:41:38.120 --> 0:41:41.320 they're already calling punt team. And so for guys, because 0:41:41.320 --> 0:41:42.960 here's the thing. If you sit there and go what 0:41:43.640 --> 0:41:47.319 punting already, negativity is already sitting in, You're not You're 0:41:47.360 --> 0:41:51.600 getting out of your mindset, your zone. And you gotta 0:41:51.640 --> 0:41:54.040 take care of yourselves to give yourself the best chance 0:41:54.800 --> 0:41:56.880 to win in that game. And so that's why we 0:41:56.960 --> 0:42:00.799 all had to stay together. And and that's what's good. 0:42:00.840 --> 0:42:03.959 Everybody gave everybody credit. Man look at jat Man first 0:42:04.000 --> 0:42:08.280 ballot deserving and he gave the whole team on especially 0:42:08.320 --> 0:42:13.399 the defense, credit for his induction. And we all feel 0:42:13.440 --> 0:42:15.960 part of that because I was so happy for him, 0:42:15.960 --> 0:42:18.960 because I mean, for one of us to go in, 0:42:19.480 --> 0:42:23.200 it's amazing because it's the best of the best, you know, Yeah, 0:42:23.239 --> 0:42:26.239 no doubt, he zach. Uh, we appreciate you spending some time. 0:42:26.239 --> 0:42:29.120 We can sit here and talk to you uh forever, 0:42:29.280 --> 0:42:32.120 but UH, I just want to again thank you for 0:42:32.120 --> 0:42:34.160 your time and and and thank you for your career 0:42:34.239 --> 0:42:37.279 and uh you know, lifelong Miami Dolphin and uh you 0:42:37.320 --> 0:42:39.080 know we're we're proud of you and we look forward 0:42:39.120 --> 0:42:41.880 to uh to the good news coming to you this 0:42:41.960 --> 0:42:44.359 week on on Saturday, and can't wait to see you 0:42:44.760 --> 0:42:46.680 uh in the Hall of Fame will be I may 0:42:46.760 --> 0:42:48.239 I may have to you know, I put a uh, 0:42:48.840 --> 0:42:51.719 I put a I said I would never go into 0:42:51.719 --> 0:42:53.839 the Hall of Fame until he put Bob Kuchenberg's bust 0:42:53.880 --> 0:42:55.680 in there. I might have to sneak in if they 0:42:55.680 --> 0:42:58.280 put you in there, I may have to go incognito. 0:42:58.840 --> 0:43:00.560 You're not reaching and caged, you know, but I may 0:43:00.560 --> 0:43:03.319 have to go in undercover to see your bust in there. 0:43:03.360 --> 0:43:05.080 But hopefully at one point I can go in and 0:43:05.080 --> 0:43:07.400 see both of you guys in there. But I know, 0:43:07.560 --> 0:43:08.879 I know this is a big week for you, and 0:43:09.120 --> 0:43:14.040 again appreciate your time. And uh, I wish you hey, 0:43:14.040 --> 0:43:16.279 thanks guys. And you know Bob deserves to going the 0:43:16.280 --> 0:43:19.640 rescue peace man. And and you know, for me, I'm 0:43:19.640 --> 0:43:23.160 gonna be in Canton this year anyway, win or lose, Jimmy, 0:43:23.360 --> 0:43:26.879 so I'm going out there, so I uh, we gotta 0:43:26.920 --> 0:43:29.719 get you out there, kim So it'd be nice, you know, 0:43:30.640 --> 0:43:32.600 to be added there. Well, i'd be I'd be happy 0:43:32.600 --> 0:43:33.920 to see I have to be happy to see you 0:43:33.960 --> 0:43:35.279 guys go in there because the only way I'm going 0:43:35.320 --> 0:43:41.120 in is with the tickets. So thank you so much, man, 0:43:42.880 --> 0:43:48.600 thank you. Alright, alright, awesome, awesome Jack. You know he's uh, 0:43:49.000 --> 0:43:51.000 you know, you talk about a guy, he's certainly deserving 0:43:51.080 --> 0:43:56.040 of Hall of Fame. Um, but just you know, I mean, 0:43:56.960 --> 0:43:58.680 you know, you just look at guys and you look 0:43:58.680 --> 0:44:00.400 at the way they carry themselves and look at the 0:44:00.440 --> 0:44:02.399 class and and and that's the one. You know, when 0:44:02.440 --> 0:44:03.920 he came in and I remember when he came in 0:44:03.960 --> 0:44:06.239 with with Larry Iso and they were too you know, 0:44:06.400 --> 0:44:09.040 to just balls of balls of the wall. Guys on 0:44:09.160 --> 0:44:12.000 and off the field, had a good time, played hard, 0:44:12.440 --> 0:44:15.279 played well, did everything well and then to watch him 0:44:15.280 --> 0:44:18.279 continue to grow during both of their careers. But most 0:44:18.280 --> 0:44:20.520 of these accents, Zach stayed here and watched the way 0:44:20.560 --> 0:44:22.680 he handled himself. And you know, one thing I always 0:44:22.719 --> 0:44:25.719 remember about Zach, he he took He he took losses 0:44:26.719 --> 0:44:30.520 as hard as anybody anybody I've I've ever I've ever met. 0:44:30.640 --> 0:44:33.359 And yet you know, I was still doing the still 0:44:33.360 --> 0:44:35.399 going to the locker room getting sound and stuff after 0:44:35.520 --> 0:44:38.920 after games and everything. And no matter how bad the 0:44:38.960 --> 0:44:42.239 loss was, he always stood up. He was there to 0:44:42.320 --> 0:44:45.319 talk and he wasn't shutting anybody down. And no matter 0:44:45.360 --> 0:44:48.600 what question was asked, he answered it, and he answered 0:44:48.600 --> 0:44:51.160 it then, you know, truthfully in the way he felt 0:44:51.640 --> 0:44:54.040 and uh and I think that certainly endeared him to 0:44:54.080 --> 0:44:56.160 a lot of people. And uh and just the way 0:44:56.200 --> 0:44:59.560 he carried himself. You know what he'd be. He's an 0:44:59.560 --> 0:45:01.759 awesome I'd get in the Hall of Fame and he'd 0:45:01.760 --> 0:45:04.239 be another guy who would, uh would represent the Miami 0:45:04.320 --> 0:45:07.520 Dolphins with a lot of class. He's all about class. 0:45:07.560 --> 0:45:10.399 He's first class. And I just I just wish him 0:45:10.440 --> 0:45:13.120 nothing but the best because the way he played the game, 0:45:13.200 --> 0:45:16.480 with the passion, the intensity and the way guys played 0:45:16.480 --> 0:45:19.520 around him. You know, we talked about Ryan Fitzpatrick this 0:45:19.600 --> 0:45:22.200 year for the Dolphins, and you said, well, what made 0:45:22.239 --> 0:45:24.759 him so good? And I would say, look at the 0:45:24.800 --> 0:45:27.200 way they played around him. Look at the way the 0:45:27.280 --> 0:45:31.840 guys raised their level of of of play on a 0:45:31.920 --> 0:45:35.320 weekly basis just by having him at quarterback. I think 0:45:35.719 --> 0:45:39.440 that's what Zach Thomas meant to that defense. You looked 0:45:39.480 --> 0:45:42.279 and you you watched the level that he played at 0:45:42.680 --> 0:45:45.480 consistently as a member of the Miami Dolphins for all 0:45:45.520 --> 0:45:48.080 those years, and you look around and everybody else was 0:45:48.160 --> 0:45:50.960 at that same level. But I think he was the catalyst. 0:45:51.040 --> 0:45:52.520 He was the guy with the energy. He was the 0:45:52.520 --> 0:45:55.400 guy that we're making all the plays at the biggest 0:45:55.400 --> 0:45:57.840 times of the football game. And there were many of 0:45:57.840 --> 0:46:01.080 those guys on defense. I did that, but I wouldn't say, uh, 0:46:01.120 --> 0:46:04.000 there were that many better than than Zach Thomas. Well, 0:46:04.000 --> 0:46:05.399 you know, it's it's funny, we have to We're gonna 0:46:05.440 --> 0:46:07.279 wrap it up here in a second. But uh, you know, 0:46:07.320 --> 0:46:09.799 we had Trace Armstrong last week and and talked to 0:46:09.840 --> 0:46:12.840 Trace about his thoughts on Zach and and and I 0:46:12.880 --> 0:46:15.120 thought he really you know, the one thing he said 0:46:15.160 --> 0:46:17.560 that really resonated with me and always and stayed with 0:46:17.600 --> 0:46:20.440 me was the fact that Zach made the biggest plays 0:46:20.719 --> 0:46:22.880 and the biggest moments of the game, and that, to 0:46:22.920 --> 0:46:26.680 me is one of the things that divides Zack defines Zach. Absolutely. 0:46:27.480 --> 0:46:29.400 All Right, that's gonna do it. We're gonna wrap it up, 0:46:29.400 --> 0:46:31.560 and uh, I got a big super Bowl coming up. 0:46:31.600 --> 0:46:33.359 We'll be back next week. We'll talk about the winner 0:46:33.360 --> 0:46:35.719 of that game. John, real quickly before we go. I'm 0:46:35.760 --> 0:46:38.000 not a big I'm not a big predicting guy, but what, 0:46:38.000 --> 0:46:40.359 how do you see this game? How this game playing out? Boy, 0:46:40.360 --> 0:46:42.000 I think it's gonna be a close one. It's gonna 0:46:42.040 --> 0:46:44.080 be one of those where I think Patrick Mahomes is 0:46:44.080 --> 0:46:46.080 gonna have the football last and I think they're gonna 0:46:46.120 --> 0:46:47.920 find a way to win the game somewhere in the 0:46:47.960 --> 0:46:50.040 fourth quarter. Yeah, you know what I'm I grew up 0:46:50.040 --> 0:46:52.480 in the Bay Area. I was a forty Niner fan 0:46:52.560 --> 0:46:56.120 with the John Brody and you know, Leo Nomlini and 0:46:56.320 --> 0:46:59.080 all Jimmy Johnson and going back to all those guys 0:46:59.120 --> 0:47:01.920 forever and ever and ever. Um So I've got a 0:47:01.960 --> 0:47:03.880 little soft spot in my heart for the forty Niners. 0:47:03.920 --> 0:47:05.879 But uh, you know, I think i'd like to see 0:47:05.880 --> 0:47:09.160 Andy Reid walk away with a with the Lombardi Trophy 0:47:09.200 --> 0:47:12.440 in Kansas City. So um, I like both teams. I've 0:47:12.480 --> 0:47:18.280 liked both franchises. Uh, it's a star studded super Bowl, 0:47:18.880 --> 0:47:22.200 there's all. You know, there's different styles, there's different guys. 0:47:22.840 --> 0:47:24.839 It really is gonna be. You know, you couldn't ask 0:47:24.840 --> 0:47:27.600 for a better matchup. I was I was dreading. I 0:47:27.640 --> 0:47:33.040 was dreading Tennessee Green Bay. You know, Tennessee Green rolling 0:47:33.080 --> 0:47:35.960 into Miami this week. But but we got the got 0:47:35.960 --> 0:47:38.319 two teams with two teams rest in Red coming in. 0:47:38.360 --> 0:47:40.759 We'll see who comes away. We'll be with the trophy. Yet. 0:47:41.040 --> 0:47:42.719 That's gonna for the audible this week. We'll catch you 0:47:42.800 --> 0:47:45.279 next week. We'll talk about the game afterwards for John 0:47:45.320 --> 0:47:47.759 kN Jammy, I'm kim Bo Camper. Stay safe. We'll see 0:47:47.800 --> 0:47:48.040 you then