WEBVTT - Behind the Bastards Presents: Weird Little Guys

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<v Speaker 1>Cool Zone Media.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey everybody, Robert here, because it's the holidays. We will

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<v Speaker 2>be continuing our normally scheduled Behind the Bastards episodes, but

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<v Speaker 2>every week we're also doing a compilation of one of

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<v Speaker 2>the other new shows on our network. So aart so now,

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<v Speaker 2>but this one is It's called Weird Little Guys. It

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<v Speaker 2>launched this year with one of my friends and favorite researchers,

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<v Speaker 2>the Great Molly Conger, and you're going to listen to

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<v Speaker 2>a two part episode which we've cut together for you

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<v Speaker 2>with a lot less ads than normal, about a guy

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<v Speaker 2>named Frank Sweeney. So please enjoy and happy holidays.

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<v Speaker 3>This is a story that begins and ends in bank

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<v Speaker 3>parking lots, more or less in the way that stories

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<v Speaker 3>can really begin or end. Our subject today was alive

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<v Speaker 3>before the story begins, and as I'm writing this, he's

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<v Speaker 3>still alive. But for the purposes of this telling, we'll

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<v Speaker 3>start outside the Palisade Trust Company Bank in Englewood, New Jersey,

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<v Speaker 3>on February twenty third, nineteen sixty two, when an eighteen

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<v Speaker 3>year old member of the American Nazi Party was arrested

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<v Speaker 3>after skipping school to try to rob a bank with

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<v Speaker 3>a toy gun and will mark the beginning of the

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<v Speaker 3>end of his story in a Wells Fargo parking lot

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<v Speaker 3>in Garden City, Idaho, on October thirteenth, twenty eighteen, when

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<v Speaker 3>an elderly ex Cohn was caught on security cam footage

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<v Speaker 3>getting into an altercation with a couple who didn't move

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<v Speaker 3>forward quickly enough at the drive up atm In the

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<v Speaker 3>decades in between, Frank Sweeney went to prison at least

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<v Speaker 3>half a dozen times, bought as a foreign mercenary, got

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<v Speaker 3>deported from both Rhodesia and South Africa, helped an escaped

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<v Speaker 3>spy of ad U s Marshals, turned state's witness against

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<v Speaker 3>a Hitler worshiping serial killer, tried to help the mob,

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<v Speaker 3>and waged a three year campaign of terror and harassment

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<v Speaker 3>against a woman who made a passing comment about how

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<v Speaker 3>he was parked outside the post office. I'm Molly Conger

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<v Speaker 3>and this is brune La.

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<v Speaker 4>Guys, this is a strange one.

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<v Speaker 3>The first few episodes of this show were stories I

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<v Speaker 3>already knew and thought you should know too. Kevin Strom

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<v Speaker 3>was a prominent figure in the white supremacist movement for decades,

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<v Speaker 3>and it was big local news here in Charlesville. When

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<v Speaker 3>he was arrested twenty years ago. The Gerald Drake case

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<v Speaker 3>was something I read about when it happened. The cases

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<v Speaker 3>against the gun trafficking Nazi paramilitary group was a story

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<v Speaker 3>I spent years reading, paying ten cents a page, one

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<v Speaker 3>court filing at a time as it wound its way

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<v Speaker 3>through the system. But this one, this one is brand

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<v Speaker 3>new to me, and I think it will be brand

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<v Speaker 3>new to just about everybody, because for as many times

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<v Speaker 3>as this man shows up in the newspaper over the

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<v Speaker 3>last sixty years, I haven't found any one source that's

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<v Speaker 3>gathered together the threads of his life and tried to

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<v Speaker 3>make sense of how one man's name could appear in

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<v Speaker 3>so many other people's stories. Because that's where I found him.

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<v Speaker 3>In someone else's story. I was reading a biography of

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<v Speaker 3>a particularly nasty little guy, one we'll definitely get to

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<v Speaker 3>eventually in another episode when my weird little guy detector

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<v Speaker 3>went off. Call it a gut feeling, but this passing

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<v Speaker 3>mention of a side character in the life of a

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<v Speaker 3>serial killer was enough to get me to put that

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<v Speaker 3>book down and spend days digging through newspaper archives trying

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<v Speaker 3>to figure out Frank.

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<v Speaker 1>And what I found was kind of.

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<v Speaker 3>A bizarro world forest Gum. One man whose life keeps

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<v Speaker 3>intersecting with major historical events, just wandering in and out

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<v Speaker 3>of the lives of gullible reporters, frustrating to the federal

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<v Speaker 3>agents and the innocent bystanders who accidentally became his targets,

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<v Speaker 3>just bumbling his way through history, but without any of

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<v Speaker 3>Tom Hanks's charm. I know we don't really know each

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<v Speaker 3>other yet. I haven't earned the trust it takes to

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<v Speaker 3>know you'll believe me when I promise you a two

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<v Speaker 3>parter is worth the weight in between. But I think

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<v Speaker 3>you'll agree Frank's story is weird enough for two episodes.

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<v Speaker 3>Frank Abbott Sweeney Junior was born in August of nineteen

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<v Speaker 3>forty three in New Jersey, to Frank Abbott Sweeney Senior,

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<v Speaker 3>a realtor, and Marie Gleeson Sweeney, a homemaker who taught

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<v Speaker 3>violin lessons and volunteered with the Red Cross. As a

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<v Speaker 3>lifelong con artist, A lot of what he's told reporters

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<v Speaker 3>about his own life is self serving fiction, which would

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<v Speaker 3>sometimes get published without fact checking and then reappear in

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<v Speaker 3>later accounts as fact.

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<v Speaker 1>It was in the newspaper after all.

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<v Speaker 3>So I've taken great pains to verify what i can,

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<v Speaker 3>debunk what I can, and take note of the things

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<v Speaker 3>I can only offer you with a grain of salt.

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<v Speaker 3>Some of Frank's own lies are easily disproved, like the

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<v Speaker 3>resume he gave a Rhodesian Army recruiter on it. He

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<v Speaker 3>claimed he graduated from Georgetown University in nineteen sixty five

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<v Speaker 3>at the degree in psychology, but he couldn't possibly have

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<v Speaker 3>matriculated at Georgetown in nineteen sixty one. He was a

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<v Speaker 3>senior at Tenafly High School in nineteen sixty two, when

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<v Speaker 3>he was sent to the Annandell Reformatory for two and

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<v Speaker 3>a half years.

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<v Speaker 1>He never finished high school.

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<v Speaker 3>His claim that his alias, Francis Shellhammer derives from his

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<v Speaker 3>mother's maiden name.

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<v Speaker 1>Also fails to hold up to scrutiny.

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<v Speaker 3>His mother was born Marie Gleeson to John Gleeson, a fireman,

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<v Speaker 3>and Lottie Gross Gleason in Chicago. And I was generous here.

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<v Speaker 3>I wasted a lot of time. I even checked his grandparents.

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<v Speaker 3>His middle name, Abbott was his paternal grandmother Martha's maiden name.

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<v Speaker 3>I went as far as to track his family treat

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<v Speaker 3>all the way back to Ireland, giving him the benefit

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<v Speaker 3>to the doubt that maybe.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a shell hammer in there somewhere. I didn't find one.

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<v Speaker 3>It's possible that I started mixing up my Martha's, Mary's, John's,

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<v Speaker 3>and Francis's by the time I was cross referencing marriage

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<v Speaker 3>records from the eighteen seventies.

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<v Speaker 1>But he probably just made it up. He does a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of that.

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<v Speaker 3>And other aspects of Frank's story would require a trip

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<v Speaker 3>to the National Archive to sift through dusty boxes of

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<v Speaker 3>ancient court transcripts and an unlikely degree of transparency from

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<v Speaker 3>the Central Intelligence Agency, or a deathbed confession from a mobster,

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<v Speaker 3>or a few tell all memoirs from US marshalls to

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<v Speaker 3>ever hope to sort out. The rest is somewhere in between.

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<v Speaker 3>But I'll stick with what we do know to be true,

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<v Speaker 3>And I said, this story begins outside of a bank.

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<v Speaker 3>On February twenty third, nineteen sixty two, Frank Sweeney skipped school.

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<v Speaker 3>Shortly after nine am, he walked into a bank in Englewood,

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<v Speaker 3>New Jersey, approached the teller and slid a plastic toy

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<v Speaker 3>gun that he'd painted black out of a Manila envelope.

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<v Speaker 3>I'd like to make a withdrawal, he told the teller

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<v Speaker 3>as he cocked the toy pistol. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 3>the teller could tell the gun was fake, or if

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<v Speaker 3>she just didn't think this gangly, redheaded teenager had it

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<v Speaker 3>in him to shoot her, or maybe she just was

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<v Speaker 3>having a bad day and didn't care anymore, because, according

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<v Speaker 3>to local news reports, she sneered at him, got up

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<v Speaker 3>and walked away, leaving him standing there alone at the

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<v Speaker 3>counter with his toy gun and bewildered by the teller's

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<v Speaker 3>apparent disinterest in being held at gunpoint. He just put

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<v Speaker 3>the plastic pistol back in his pocket, turned around and

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<v Speaker 3>walked out the front door, and as he was leaving,

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<v Speaker 3>an off duty policeman just happened to be walking into

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<v Speaker 3>the bank. An employee told the officer what had just happened,

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<v Speaker 3>and he turned right around and caught Frank just outside.

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<v Speaker 3>He dragged him back inside the bank to be identified

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<v Speaker 3>by the teller, and as the patrolman is making the arrest,

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<v Speaker 3>Frank says to him.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I guess it didn't work.

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<v Speaker 3>Later, under interrogation, he would tell the officers that his

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<v Speaker 3>plan had been to support the movement to use the

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<v Speaker 3>money from the bank robbery to support the activities of

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<v Speaker 3>the American Nazi Party under George Lincoln Rockwell. At his arraignment,

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<v Speaker 3>the judge asked, Frank, aren't you the fellow who's been

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<v Speaker 3>painting swastikas on synagogues around here. Frank denied this, and

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<v Speaker 3>he told the judge I never did anything illegal in

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<v Speaker 3>my life, and then he pleaded guilty to the attempted

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<v Speaker 3>bank robbery. There's no other mention of Frank in connection

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<v Speaker 3>with that anti Semitic vandalism the judge mentioned, But I

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<v Speaker 3>did find several newspaper articles about incidents of that sort

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<v Speaker 3>from the prior to years when Frank would have still

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<v Speaker 3>been a minor. In January nineteen sixty three, unnamed teenage

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<v Speaker 3>boys were accused of painting swastikas on parked cars in Emerson,

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<v Speaker 3>just eight miles away. In February of nineteen sixty one,

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<v Speaker 3>one hung a swastika banner over the entrance of the

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<v Speaker 3>synagogue in Tenafly. Newspaper articles about that banner reference a

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<v Speaker 3>similar recent incident at the synagogue in nearby Englewood. A

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<v Speaker 3>few days later, someone painted a swastika over a plaque nearby.

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<v Speaker 3>In June, two teenage boys respotted fleeing the scene after

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<v Speaker 3>two trailers belonging to a contract or were broken into

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<v Speaker 3>and left a swastika painted on the floor inside. In

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<v Speaker 3>all these incidents, police told the papers of the time

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<v Speaker 3>that they had referred the cases to the juvenile division.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not like anti Semitic incidents are so rare that

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<v Speaker 3>I'm saying that Frank is the only possible suspect here

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<v Speaker 3>in every nineteen sixties Bergen County news article about a swastika,

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<v Speaker 3>I found plenty of other newspaper reports during those same

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<v Speaker 3>two years about a local man flying a swastika flag

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<v Speaker 3>outside of his home, about attacks on Jewish businesses and

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<v Speaker 3>synagogues and neighboring cities, and other incidents that just don't

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<v Speaker 3>fit this particular pattern of teenage Nazi vandalism. And the

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<v Speaker 3>comment the judge made makes it sound like Frank had

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<v Speaker 3>been there before. But any appearance he'd made in court

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<v Speaker 3>as a miner wouldn't have been reported with his name

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<v Speaker 3>attached to it. And it's hard enough to get any

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<v Speaker 3>information about a juvenile case in twenty twenty four, So

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<v Speaker 3>forget figuring out what happened in nineteen sixty one, but

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<v Speaker 3>it does seem pretty likely he'd at least been a

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<v Speaker 3>suspect in some of those incidents, because at the hearing

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<v Speaker 3>where he pled guilty to the attempted bank robbery, Frank

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<v Speaker 3>did admit that the police had spoken to him on

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<v Speaker 3>numerous occasions, specifically concerning his involvement in George Lincoln Rockwell's

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<v Speaker 3>American Nazi Party. For the attempted bank robbery, Frank was

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<v Speaker 3>sentenced to an indeterminate term at a boy's reformatory, and

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<v Speaker 3>he was released on October of nineteen sixty four, shortly

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<v Speaker 3>after his twenty first birthday. After serving about two and

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<v Speaker 3>a half years. After his first stent in jail, Frank

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<v Speaker 3>returned to his parents' home in New Jersey. He worked

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<v Speaker 3>occasionally as a shipping clerk, but it doesn't seem like

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<v Speaker 3>he was holding down a steady job. After Noon in

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<v Speaker 3>July of nineteen sixty seven, neighbors reported hearing gunshots in

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<v Speaker 3>the woods. An officer drove by to check it out

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<v Speaker 3>and saw a car parked on the side of the road.

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<v Speaker 3>The car looked empty, so the officer kept driving without

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<v Speaker 3>stopping to investigate. Suddenly, the car pulled out behind him

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<v Speaker 3>and tried to run the officer off the road. A

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<v Speaker 3>brief vehicle chase ensued, with the officer following the vehicle

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<v Speaker 3>for about a mile before the driver Frank parked outside

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<v Speaker 3>of his parents' home, got out and walked toward the

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<v Speaker 3>front door. The officer asked Frank if he'd been shooting

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<v Speaker 3>guns in the woods, to which Frank replied only no,

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<v Speaker 3>and then warned the officer that he was on private

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<v Speaker 3>property for walking away and into the house. But Frank

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<v Speaker 3>left something on the front seat of the car, unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 3>and it was a Thompson submachine gun that he'd been

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<v Speaker 3>firing in the woods. The officer saw the gun and

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<v Speaker 3>called for backup, and when they arrived, Frank opened fire

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<v Speaker 3>on them from inside the home, kicking off a seventy

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<v Speaker 3>five minute gun battle, with more than a dozen cops

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<v Speaker 3>firing shots at the house as Frank fired at them

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<v Speaker 3>through the windows. Frank's father and brother pleaded with him

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<v Speaker 3>to come out, or at least to send the family

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<v Speaker 3>dog out. After police Captain Peter Zurla was shot in

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<v Speaker 3>the arm, the officers lobbed four canisters of tear gas

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<v Speaker 3>through the windows, finally driving Frank out into the front yard,

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<v Speaker 3>where he was arrested without further incident. And as they

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<v Speaker 3>put the handcuffs on him, he turned to Captain Zerla,

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<v Speaker 3>who's still standing there in the front yard bleeding from

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<v Speaker 3>a gunshot wound, and Frank says, some shot when I

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<v Speaker 3>got you through the window. Huh. There's no follow up

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<v Speaker 3>I can find about whether the dog was heard, or

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<v Speaker 3>how missus Sweeney got the tear gas out of her upholstery.

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<v Speaker 3>It was the sixties, so maybe her sofa was safely

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<v Speaker 3>scotch guarded or wrapped up in one of those weird

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<v Speaker 3>plastic covers that were popular back then. But you have

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<v Speaker 3>to figure she at least had to replace the curtains.

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<v Speaker 3>Frank entered a not guilty plea and unsuccessfully try I

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<v Speaker 3>to suppressed the evidence of the gun found on the

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<v Speaker 3>front seat of the car, with his attorney arguing that

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<v Speaker 3>it was discovered in an illegal search because the cop

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<v Speaker 3>didn't have probable cause to look through the window of

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<v Speaker 3>the parked car. That's not how that works.

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<v Speaker 1>A trial.

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<v Speaker 3>The defense put on three psychiatrists to argue for insanity,

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<v Speaker 3>and the state put on two of their own who

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<v Speaker 3>testified that Frank was certainly disturbed but not legally insane.

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<v Speaker 3>The jury deliberated for just three hours before finding Frank

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<v Speaker 3>guilty of attempted homicide, assault with the intent to kill,

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<v Speaker 3>possession of a machine gun, and something called atrocious assault

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<v Speaker 3>that I've never heard of. We don't have that here

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<v Speaker 3>in Virginia, but in New Jersey, atrocious assault is an

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<v Speaker 3>assault in battery, savage and cruel in character which results.

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<v Speaker 1>In maiming or wounding. So that definitely qualifies. And he

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<v Speaker 1>was sentenced to six.

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<v Speaker 3>Years, which, honestly, that's kind of remarkable, right. I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>going to for the Corsoal state here, far from it.

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<v Speaker 3>You know more, jail time doesn't really fix anybody, and

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<v Speaker 3>we'll come to see that jail never comes close to

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<v Speaker 3>fixing Frank. But reading those sixties news stories about this

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<v Speaker 3>event was fascinating. This cop who got shot by a

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<v Speaker 3>Nazi with a Tommy gun is described in every article

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<v Speaker 3>as quote lightly wounded. I mean, he does seem to

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<v Speaker 3>have not been seriously injured. He was shot, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>in the upper arm. I don't think it went through

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<v Speaker 3>the bone, so it really he was lightly wounded.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's not what they would put in the newspaper

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<v Speaker 1>today you know it.

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<v Speaker 3>And the cops didn't drive a tank through the front

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<v Speaker 3>of the suburban home or unload their guns into him

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<v Speaker 3>when he came out. There's been such a massive culture

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<v Speaker 3>shift over the years and the way we justify aggressive

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<v Speaker 3>police response and the way that we talk about the

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<v Speaker 3>risk to police. It's just interesting to see that it

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't always that way. But there's another unanswered question in

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<v Speaker 3>the story of this siege in this New York suburb.

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<v Speaker 1>What was he doing that day?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean shooting guns in the woods obviously, but why

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<v Speaker 3>did he panic when that cop drove by, and why

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<v Speaker 3>those woods in particular. We'll never really know. Even if

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<v Speaker 3>he told us, we wouldn't know. He's a liar. But

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<v Speaker 3>the newspaper articles at the time do say that the

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<v Speaker 3>officer initially saw Frank's car parked at the intersection of

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<v Speaker 3>East Clinton Avenue and Woodland Street, about a mile from

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<v Speaker 3>where Frank lived.

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<v Speaker 1>At the time.

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<v Speaker 3>They used to put everything in the newspaper. It's so beautiful,

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<v Speaker 3>every detail, every boring little bit in which they still

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<v Speaker 3>did that, And I'm eternally curious about details that probably

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<v Speaker 3>won't end up mattering. But I pulled up a map

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<v Speaker 3>of Tenafly, New Jersey, and there is a large wooded

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<v Speaker 3>area you could walk straight into if you parked your

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<v Speaker 3>car at that intersection, And those woods surround a large

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<v Speaker 3>building that first opened its doors in nineteen fifty, the

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<v Speaker 3>Kaplan Jewish Community Center. The clearest account of the next

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<v Speaker 3>phase of Frank's life comes from an essay written in

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<v Speaker 3>twenty nineteen by a retired Rhodesian military policeman. Despite being

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<v Speaker 3>the most likely to be more or less true, it's

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<v Speaker 3>still riddled with obvious factual inaccuracies, things that just can't

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<v Speaker 3>be true. Maybe because it was written as a humorous

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<v Speaker 3>recollection meant to be read by his fellow former Rhodesian soldiers,

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<v Speaker 3>and maybe his memory has faded a bit in the

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<v Speaker 3>nearly fifty years since the event in question. But it

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<v Speaker 3>does at the very least substantiate Frank's own claim about

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<v Speaker 3>having enlisted in the Rhodesian Light Infantry in the early

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen seventies. I'll try to walk the tightrope here of

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<v Speaker 3>providing a little more con text than just Rhodesia was

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<v Speaker 3>very bad and white supremacist from other countries were obsessed

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<v Speaker 3>with the idea that they could travel there to kill

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<v Speaker 3>black people with impunity, while still stopping short of taking

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<v Speaker 3>us down the long road of the history and consequences

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<v Speaker 3>of European colonization in Africa. That's far from my area

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<v Speaker 3>of expertise, and it's not why you're here.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 3>Even if you're coming into this with a completely blank slate.

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<v Speaker 3>For some reason, you're probably thinking, there's no country called Rhodesia,

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<v Speaker 3>and you're right, there isn't. There never really was. Rhodesia

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<v Speaker 3>was never recognized as a sovereign state, but we're calling

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<v Speaker 3>Rhodesia here as the present day state of Zimbabwe in

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<v Speaker 3>southern Africa. In the early twentieth century, Rhodesia was a

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<v Speaker 3>British territory. The legacy of Cecil Roads is British South

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<v Speaker 3>Africa Company. The area was effectively ruled by the company

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<v Speaker 3>until the nineteen twenties, when it became a self governing

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<v Speaker 3>colony of the UK, and by the nineteen fifties, decolonization

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<v Speaker 3>was happening all across the African continent. These fading European

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<v Speaker 3>empires couldn't or didn't want to hold on to all

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<v Speaker 3>the colonies they'd collected during the previous centuries scramble for Africa.

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<v Speaker 3>In nineteen sixty British Prime Minister Harold macmillan gave his

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<v Speaker 3>Wind of Change speech in an address to the South

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<v Speaker 3>African Parliament about the political necessity of moving toward decolonization.

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<v Speaker 5>The wind of change is blowing through this continent.

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<v Speaker 2>Whether we like it or not.

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<v Speaker 5>This growth national consciousness is a political fact, and we

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<v Speaker 5>was all accepted as a fact. Our national policies must

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<v Speaker 5>take a contribute.

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<v Speaker 3>He'd actually given the same speech a few weeks earlier

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<v Speaker 3>in Ghana, but the press didn't pick it up the

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<v Speaker 3>first time, and I think the whether we like it

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<v Speaker 3>or not part of that statement matters a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Here.

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<v Speaker 3>He wasn't advocating for decolonization out of the goodness of

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<v Speaker 3>his heart. He was reluctantly acknowledging the expensive and bloody

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<v Speaker 3>political reality of trying to hold on to these colonies

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<v Speaker 3>at any cost. He could see the Belgians and Congo

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<v Speaker 3>and the French in Algeria fighting these costly wars with

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<v Speaker 3>Africans who wanted an end to European colonial rule, and

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<v Speaker 3>as they worked towards extricating themselves from these colonial arrangements,

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<v Speaker 3>the British government adopted a policy called no independence before

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<v Speaker 3>majority rule, meaning they wouldn't hand over sovereignty to a

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<v Speaker 3>colony still run exclusively by the white colonial minority. Now, obviously,

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<v Speaker 3>this is an immensely complicated bit of political history that

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<v Speaker 3>I'm stripping down to the studs and explaining badly so

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<v Speaker 3>we get through it quickly. So don't think I'm giving

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<v Speaker 3>the British Empire any kind of credit here. This policy

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<v Speaker 3>did not arise out of a genuine desire to undo

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<v Speaker 3>the harms of colonialism and address racism or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 1>That was not on their minds.

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<v Speaker 3>But I think they knew what it would look like

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<v Speaker 3>if their decolonization looked exactly like their colony. And we're

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<v Speaker 3>not talking about a pr lass here.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the Cold War.

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<v Speaker 3>They don't want to give the Soviets an opportunity to

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<v Speaker 3>come in behind them.

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<v Speaker 1>But it was this.

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<v Speaker 3>Policy, or rather defiance of it, that led Rhodesia under

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<v Speaker 3>Ian Smith, to make the unilateral declaration of independence in

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen sixty five. White colonists made up just five percent

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<v Speaker 3>of the population of the territory, but they were unwilling

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<v Speaker 3>to accept that the UK would only grant Rhodesian independence

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<v Speaker 3>if they shared even a crumb of political power with

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<v Speaker 3>the other ninety five percent of Rhodesians. And apologies again

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<v Speaker 3>for these digressions. I just love the context. I think

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<v Speaker 3>it's so important. But that brings us to where we

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<v Speaker 3>were going. The Rhodesian bush War a fifteen year period

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<v Speaker 3>of civil conflict between the white minority led government and

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<v Speaker 3>the African nationalist guerrilla forces. The number of foreign mercenaries

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<v Speaker 3>who actually traveled to Rhodesia during the war remains up

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<v Speaker 3>for debate. Most of the countries the mercenaries came from

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<v Speaker 3>were embarrassed by the whole affair. International sanctions levied against

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<v Speaker 3>the territory after the illegal declaration of independence made it

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<v Speaker 3>illegal for citizens of many countries to participate in the conflict,

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<v Speaker 3>even in countries that didn't have their own domestic laws

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<v Speaker 3>banning mercenary activity. And there was some discomfort within Rhodesia

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<v Speaker 3>too about this perception that they needed foreigners to help

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<v Speaker 3>with what they saw as their war for independence. So,

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<v Speaker 3>for deeply unflattering and regrettable reasons, no one was very

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<v Speaker 3>invested in getting a thorough accounting of the situation. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>Nobody benefits from knowing what happened here. But at the

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<v Speaker 3>high end it was really only a few thousand mercenaries

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<v Speaker 3>over the total course of the conflict, with best estimates

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<v Speaker 3>for the number of them who were Americans being somewhere

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<v Speaker 3>in the low hundreds. So a lot of guys talked

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<v Speaker 3>about it, but not very many of them actually did it.

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<v Speaker 3>This idea of American extremists traveling to Africa to violently

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<v Speaker 3>enforce white rule over black Africans is one that modern

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<v Speaker 3>white supremacists still cherish and celebrate. Dylan Rufe, who was

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<v Speaker 3>welcomed with open arms at an evening Bible study at

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<v Speaker 3>a manual African Methodist Episcopal church in Charleston, South Carolina,

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<v Speaker 3>registered the domain last Rhodesian dot com a few months

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<v Speaker 3>before he murdered nine of the parishioners who thought he

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<v Speaker 3>was joining them for prayer that night. Rufe made his

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<v Speaker 3>final edit to that site his digital manifesto, just hours

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<v Speaker 3>before carrying out that attack. In twenty fifteen, the cultural

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<v Speaker 3>moment where magazines like Soldier of Fortune ran full page

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<v Speaker 3>advertisements for opportunities to be a man among men in

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<v Speaker 3>the African bush looms large in our memories, but the

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<v Speaker 3>reality is there weren't many men who actually heeded the call,

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<v Speaker 3>and their role in the conflict was insignificant. But unlike

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<v Speaker 3>many of those Americans who did end up in Rhodesia

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<v Speaker 3>in this seventies, Frank Sweeney didn't see an advertisement and

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<v Speaker 3>Soldier of Fortune. That magazine's first issue, bearing a cover

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<v Speaker 3>story about American mercenaries in Africa, was published in the

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<v Speaker 3>summer of nineteen seventy five, just as Frank Sweeney was

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<v Speaker 3>already on his way home. According to Frank, which is

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<v Speaker 3>a dangerous way to start an assertion of fact. He

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<v Speaker 3>walked into the Rhodesian Information Center in Washington, d C.

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<v Speaker 3>In nineteen seventy two and asked how to join up.

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<v Speaker 3>The information center was not technically a diplomatic office because

0:23:33.600 --> 0:23:37.480
<v Speaker 3>Rhodesia was not technically a country, the fact that would

0:23:37.480 --> 0:23:40.439
<v Speaker 3>get them into some trouble in Australia, but they claimed

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<v Speaker 3>that they were just offering information about tourism. Frank says

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<v Speaker 3>he was offered the contact information for Major Nick Lamprecht,

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<v Speaker 3>the Rhodesian Army's chief recruiter. David Annibl, a reporter for

0:23:52.400 --> 0:23:55.280
<v Speaker 3>the Christian Science Monitor, who interviewed Frank in nineteen seventy

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<v Speaker 3>five wrote that he'd spoken to another recent visitor to

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<v Speaker 3>that office. After talking to Frank, this visitor walked into

0:24:02.040 --> 0:24:04.040
<v Speaker 3>the office and was given a brochure printed by the

0:24:04.080 --> 0:24:09.080
<v Speaker 3>Rhodesian Department of Labor about careers in Rhodesia, and after

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<v Speaker 3>a thirty minute presentation about Americans already fighting in the

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<v Speaker 3>conflict and the pay and benefits a mercenary could expect,

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<v Speaker 3>including paid airfare, all violations of international sanctions in US

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<v Speaker 3>federal law, the visitor was offered Major Lamprek's contact information

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<v Speaker 3>That recruiter Nick Lamprek worked closely with Soldier of Fortune

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<v Speaker 3>founder Robert K. Brown to strategize how the magazine can

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<v Speaker 3>be used to convince more Americans to make the trip.

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<v Speaker 3>In the latter years of the conflict, Lampreck himself even

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<v Speaker 3>wrote an article for the magazine promising young American Soldiers

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<v Speaker 3>of Fortune that it would be easy for them to

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<v Speaker 3>find a beautiful white Rhodesian wife. I think Lamprek knew

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<v Speaker 3>he was lying about how much fun you could have

0:24:50.800 --> 0:24:54.000
<v Speaker 3>fighting in the Bush War. His own son, Vincent, had

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<v Speaker 3>already fled to South Africa to avoid military service. In

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<v Speaker 3>what you maybe sends is a theme here. The details

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<v Speaker 3>of frank service in Rhodesia are a little murky.

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<v Speaker 1>The details of.

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<v Speaker 3>A lot of what was going on in Rhodesia during

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<v Speaker 3>those years is not totally settled, and Frank's own involvement

0:25:12.600 --> 0:25:16.200
<v Speaker 3>far less so. He told reporter David Annibal in that

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen seventy five interview that as a corporal in the

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<v Speaker 3>Rhodesian Light Infantry, his detachment had taken many prisoners, but

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<v Speaker 3>when instructed to do so, they just executed people, saying

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<v Speaker 3>we shot him right there in the bush when we

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<v Speaker 3>were told not to take prisoners. He also admitted that

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<v Speaker 3>his unit had taken part in raids over the border

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<v Speaker 3>into neighboring Mozambique. He claimed that sometimes these trips over

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<v Speaker 3>the border were to assist Portuguese troops, and until late

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen seventy four, Portuguese troops were in Mozambique fighting to

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<v Speaker 3>put down the Mozambiquan War of Independence, and Frank said

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<v Speaker 3>sometimes they'd go over the border to raid gorilla camps,

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<v Speaker 3>perhaps those belonging to the Zimbabwe African National Liberation Army,

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<v Speaker 3>which had strong ties to the group's fight for independence

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<v Speaker 3>In Mozambique. These Rhodesian raids over the border into Mozambique

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<v Speaker 3>continued even after that nation gain sovereignty in nineteen seventy five.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's hard to pin down when Frank would have

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<v Speaker 3>been doing this, if he even did. I can at

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<v Speaker 3>least say that Frank was no longer in Rhodesia. During

0:26:18.880 --> 0:26:22.200
<v Speaker 3>one of the war's worst atrocities, a Rhodesian raid on

0:26:22.240 --> 0:26:26.200
<v Speaker 3>a refugee camp in Mozambique killed over one thousand civilians.

0:26:27.560 --> 0:26:30.280
<v Speaker 3>David Animal published a couple of articles in nineteen seventy

0:26:30.320 --> 0:26:33.200
<v Speaker 3>five in nineteen seventy six about Rhodesia, and he often

0:26:33.280 --> 0:26:35.240
<v Speaker 3>quoted Frank Sweeney about his time there.

0:26:35.880 --> 0:26:36.960
<v Speaker 1>After all, there weren't.

0:26:36.720 --> 0:26:39.360
<v Speaker 3>Many Americans who'd been there, and even fewer who were

0:26:39.359 --> 0:26:43.280
<v Speaker 3>easy to find, and Frank was easy to find. He

0:26:43.480 --> 0:26:47.200
<v Speaker 3>was very public about his stint as a mercenary. After

0:26:47.240 --> 0:26:50.040
<v Speaker 3>returning home in nineteen seventy five, Frank placed ads in

0:26:50.080 --> 0:26:53.919
<v Speaker 3>magazines like Shotgun News and Gun Week that read.

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<v Speaker 6>The Rhodesian Army offers excitement and adventure. I know I've

0:27:00.280 --> 0:27:03.800
<v Speaker 6>been there. Young Americans of European ancestry, write to me

0:27:03.920 --> 0:27:08.040
<v Speaker 6>for free. Details pertaining to recruiting. Frank Abbott Sweeney seven

0:27:08.000 --> 0:27:11.400
<v Speaker 6>to two Creston Avenue, Tenafly, New Jersey, zero seven six

0:27:11.520 --> 0:27:12.240
<v Speaker 6>seven zero.

0:27:14.359 --> 0:27:16.679
<v Speaker 3>When speaking with the reporter about his efforts to recruit

0:27:16.680 --> 0:27:19.400
<v Speaker 3>others to make the trip, Frank spoke warmly of Major

0:27:19.480 --> 0:27:22.560
<v Speaker 3>Lamprecht and claimed that it was Lamprecked himself who instructed

0:27:22.600 --> 0:27:26.120
<v Speaker 3>Frank to get in touch with as many white applicants

0:27:26.160 --> 0:27:31.600
<v Speaker 3>as possible, which is honestly probably not true, but who knows.

0:27:32.520 --> 0:27:35.399
<v Speaker 3>Frank is described as a fan of Ian Smith, of

0:27:35.440 --> 0:27:39.919
<v Speaker 3>white superiority and of the need to defend both, and

0:27:40.040 --> 0:27:42.960
<v Speaker 3>is quoted as saying, if I could do anything to

0:27:43.000 --> 0:27:46.240
<v Speaker 3>preserve Western civilization in the area, I would do it.

0:27:47.960 --> 0:27:50.879
<v Speaker 3>Frank told Annabel that he'd received hundreds of letters in

0:27:50.920 --> 0:27:54.200
<v Speaker 3>response to his ads and responded to all of them.

0:27:54.560 --> 0:27:57.119
<v Speaker 3>But then again, he also told Annabel he was a

0:27:57.119 --> 0:28:01.199
<v Speaker 3>college graduate, and you know that's not true. An animal

0:28:01.280 --> 0:28:04.360
<v Speaker 3>claims Frank showed him his discharge papers from the Rhodesian

0:28:04.440 --> 0:28:08.199
<v Speaker 3>Light Infantry, which were quote in order according to the article,

0:28:08.760 --> 0:28:11.040
<v Speaker 3>and showed three years of good service and a rank

0:28:11.080 --> 0:28:16.200
<v Speaker 3>of corporal, And that's definitely not true. I'm sure Frank

0:28:16.240 --> 0:28:19.920
<v Speaker 3>did show Annimal something. He probably did show him papers

0:28:19.920 --> 0:28:22.720
<v Speaker 3>that indicated as much, and I don't fault him for

0:28:22.760 --> 0:28:29.400
<v Speaker 3>reporting it. It turns out Frank was quite skilled at forgery.

0:28:29.600 --> 0:28:32.280
<v Speaker 3>Frank claims he was in Washington, d c. Getting recruited

0:28:32.280 --> 0:28:35.280
<v Speaker 3>into the Rhodesian Army in nineteen seventy two, but he

0:28:35.320 --> 0:28:38.200
<v Speaker 3>may have actually still been in prison in nineteen seventy two.

0:28:38.360 --> 0:28:39.440
<v Speaker 1>For shooting that cop.

0:28:40.120 --> 0:28:42.720
<v Speaker 3>It's hard to pin down exactly when he was released.

0:28:43.640 --> 0:28:46.480
<v Speaker 3>One newspaper article years later puts his parole date for

0:28:46.520 --> 0:28:50.440
<v Speaker 3>that conviction at nineteen seventy four, but I have a

0:28:50.480 --> 0:28:53.040
<v Speaker 3>bad feeling that was just a reporter on a deadline

0:28:53.040 --> 0:28:55.280
<v Speaker 3>who did the math on a six year sentence and

0:28:55.600 --> 0:29:00.200
<v Speaker 3>assumed Frank served all of it, which probably didn't. When

0:29:00.200 --> 0:29:02.400
<v Speaker 3>Frank was later arrested for his role in the escape

0:29:02.400 --> 0:29:05.400
<v Speaker 3>of a Soviet spy, an FBI agent puts his date

0:29:05.400 --> 0:29:08.680
<v Speaker 3>of enlistment at nineteen seventy three, So the truth is

0:29:08.680 --> 0:29:09.520
<v Speaker 3>in there somewhere.

0:29:10.920 --> 0:29:11.400
<v Speaker 1>Either way.

0:29:11.520 --> 0:29:14.840
<v Speaker 3>He wasn't in Rhodesia for very long before he really

0:29:15.520 --> 0:29:21.320
<v Speaker 3>really wanted to go home. A war as hell for everybody.

0:29:22.400 --> 0:29:28.600
<v Speaker 3>And here we have another unreliable narrator, Anthony Hickman, Hickman

0:29:28.680 --> 0:29:31.600
<v Speaker 3>is a retired officer in the British South Africa Police,

0:29:31.640 --> 0:29:36.480
<v Speaker 3>which no longer exists and confusingly was neither British nor

0:29:36.800 --> 0:29:40.560
<v Speaker 3>South African, and they weren't always really just police, but

0:29:40.720 --> 0:29:42.400
<v Speaker 3>it bore that name because it grew out of the

0:29:42.440 --> 0:29:46.600
<v Speaker 3>paramilitary force run directly by Cecil Rhodes's British South Africa

0:29:46.600 --> 0:29:51.160
<v Speaker 3>Company in the nineteenth century. The BSAP was Rhodesia's regular

0:29:51.240 --> 0:29:54.560
<v Speaker 3>police force, but the line between regular policing and military

0:29:54.600 --> 0:29:59.480
<v Speaker 3>operations was blurry, and during the Bush War there were

0:30:00.000 --> 0:30:03.720
<v Speaker 3>military units made up of BSAP officers and they developed

0:30:03.760 --> 0:30:08.200
<v Speaker 3>counterinsurgency and counter terrorism units. They oversaw the intelligence gathering

0:30:08.320 --> 0:30:13.240
<v Speaker 3>arm of the infamously brutal Selu Scouts, and they killed

0:30:13.600 --> 0:30:17.200
<v Speaker 3>hundreds of people by introducing poisoned food and medicine into

0:30:17.200 --> 0:30:21.360
<v Speaker 3>the supply lines for the insurgent forces. I don't know

0:30:21.520 --> 0:30:24.160
<v Speaker 3>exactly what Hickman was doing for most of the war.

0:30:24.440 --> 0:30:28.000
<v Speaker 3>Maybe he didn't do any of that, But these days

0:30:28.000 --> 0:30:31.640
<v Speaker 3>he's retired in Johannesburg, South Africa and makes detailed models

0:30:31.640 --> 0:30:35.760
<v Speaker 3>of trains and farmhouses. In the early nineteen seventies, he

0:30:35.800 --> 0:30:39.880
<v Speaker 3>was assigned to the Homicide Unit of bsap's Criminal Investigative Division,

0:30:40.760 --> 0:30:43.280
<v Speaker 3>and in twenty nineteen he wrote down his recollections of

0:30:43.320 --> 0:30:47.320
<v Speaker 3>Frank Sweeney for a newsletter published by his Veterans Association.

0:30:49.240 --> 0:30:51.840
<v Speaker 3>Like any account of Frank's life, Hickman's essay can't be

0:30:51.880 --> 0:30:55.400
<v Speaker 3>taken as gospel truth between the lies Frank told him

0:30:55.440 --> 0:30:57.520
<v Speaker 3>and his own fading memory of the seventies.

0:30:58.400 --> 0:30:59.680
<v Speaker 1>It's not perfect.

0:31:00.160 --> 0:31:04.000
<v Speaker 3>Honestly, I almost discarded it without reading past the first page.

0:31:04.600 --> 0:31:07.240
<v Speaker 3>Who's off to a pretty bad start when the first

0:31:07.280 --> 0:31:12.120
<v Speaker 3>paragraph placed these events in September of nineteen seventy seven,

0:31:12.520 --> 0:31:16.880
<v Speaker 3>which would, of course be entirely impossible. Frank could not

0:31:16.920 --> 0:31:19.240
<v Speaker 3>have been in a Rhodesian Army barracks in September of

0:31:19.320 --> 0:31:23.520
<v Speaker 3>nineteen seventy seven, because according to the US Marshalls.

0:31:23.080 --> 0:31:25.000
<v Speaker 1>The FBI, the DOJ, the CIA.

0:31:24.720 --> 0:31:27.080
<v Speaker 3>In the New York Times, Frank was hanging out with

0:31:27.120 --> 0:31:29.760
<v Speaker 3>a Soviet spy in the exercise yard at a federal

0:31:29.760 --> 0:31:33.320
<v Speaker 3>prison in Los Angeles in September of nineteen seventy seven.

0:31:34.760 --> 0:31:37.560
<v Speaker 3>But I'll cut Hickman some slack here on that faltering start,

0:31:37.600 --> 0:31:41.040
<v Speaker 3>because there's ample evidence within the story that puts these

0:31:41.040 --> 0:31:45.560
<v Speaker 3>events somewhere in the springtime of nineteen seventy five, and

0:31:45.760 --> 0:31:48.320
<v Speaker 3>the data side there is enough meat to Hickman's account

0:31:48.320 --> 0:31:52.720
<v Speaker 3>and the supporting primary documentation he provided that supports the

0:31:52.800 --> 0:31:54.120
<v Speaker 3>idea that the story is.

0:31:54.840 --> 0:31:56.200
<v Speaker 1>More or less true.

0:31:57.840 --> 0:32:00.880
<v Speaker 3>As a homicide detective, Hickman was involved in an investigation

0:32:00.960 --> 0:32:05.000
<v Speaker 3>into Frank Sweeney for attempted murder at a Rhodesian military barracks.

0:32:06.240 --> 0:32:12.040
<v Speaker 3>One evening sometime in early nineteen seventy five, probably Frank,

0:32:12.080 --> 0:32:15.120
<v Speaker 3>went to the bathroom at the barracks he was living in.

0:32:15.120 --> 0:32:18.000
<v Speaker 3>Inside the shared facilities, two infantrymen who had been drinking

0:32:18.080 --> 0:32:23.400
<v Speaker 3>were laughing and joking around. One was quite drunk, undressed

0:32:23.400 --> 0:32:25.400
<v Speaker 3>and got into the shower to try to sober up

0:32:25.440 --> 0:32:28.800
<v Speaker 3>a little bit. Three men were chatting pleasantly enough, but

0:32:29.480 --> 0:32:33.640
<v Speaker 3>Frank was humorless and sober, and he was outraged when

0:32:33.640 --> 0:32:35.760
<v Speaker 3>the drunk man splashed shower.

0:32:35.440 --> 0:32:36.680
<v Speaker 1>Water on him.

0:32:37.200 --> 0:32:39.520
<v Speaker 3>The men argued, and one of them called Frank a

0:32:39.600 --> 0:32:43.800
<v Speaker 3>bloody yank. And Frank's not a guy who turns the

0:32:43.840 --> 0:32:49.400
<v Speaker 3>other cheek. He takes every insult very personally. So a

0:32:49.400 --> 0:32:52.640
<v Speaker 3>little bit damp and with his pride wounded, he runs

0:32:52.640 --> 0:32:54.720
<v Speaker 3>back to his bunk and comes right back with a

0:32:54.840 --> 0:32:58.800
<v Speaker 3>seven inch dagger and pulls the shower curtain aside and

0:32:59.000 --> 0:33:04.360
<v Speaker 3>stabs this aked drunk man in the lower abdomen. The

0:33:04.400 --> 0:33:07.400
<v Speaker 3>other soldier ran for help and Frank was quickly arrested,

0:33:08.800 --> 0:33:12.680
<v Speaker 3>and while he sat in custody, a mysterious letter arrived

0:33:12.680 --> 0:33:15.680
<v Speaker 3>in the mail. The postmark indicated that it had been

0:33:15.720 --> 0:33:20.600
<v Speaker 3>mailed from nearby Salisbury weeks earlier. The anonymous letter writer

0:33:20.720 --> 0:33:24.520
<v Speaker 3>said that a private Fa Sweeney had been convicted of

0:33:24.520 --> 0:33:27.040
<v Speaker 3>the attempted murder of a policeman in the United States.

0:33:28.200 --> 0:33:31.040
<v Speaker 3>It was Hickman, our essayist, who first suspected that Frank

0:33:31.160 --> 0:33:35.560
<v Speaker 3>may actually have written this letter himself, and when he

0:33:35.600 --> 0:33:38.840
<v Speaker 3>pressed Frank for a handwriting sample to prove it, he

0:33:38.920 --> 0:33:40.080
<v Speaker 3>cracked immediately.

0:33:41.480 --> 0:33:43.240
<v Speaker 1>He'd sent the letter himself, hoping that.

0:33:43.240 --> 0:33:45.920
<v Speaker 3>It would be his ticket home, that they would kick

0:33:46.000 --> 0:33:47.960
<v Speaker 3>him out and deport him when they found out he

0:33:48.080 --> 0:33:50.440
<v Speaker 3>lied about not having a criminal history, and that he

0:33:50.480 --> 0:33:52.840
<v Speaker 3>would get a free flight back to New Jersey without

0:33:52.840 --> 0:33:54.520
<v Speaker 3>having to finish his term of service.

0:33:55.680 --> 0:33:56.760
<v Speaker 1>And if that letter had.

0:33:56.640 --> 0:34:01.120
<v Speaker 3>Only arrived a few days earlier, they probably would have

0:34:01.160 --> 0:34:07.240
<v Speaker 3>done just that before anybody had to get stabbed. The story,

0:34:07.280 --> 0:34:11.839
<v Speaker 3>Frank then told Hickman has elements of truth, but it's

0:34:11.880 --> 0:34:15.719
<v Speaker 3>not quite right. He told Hickman that the shootout at

0:34:15.719 --> 0:34:18.640
<v Speaker 3>his parents' house had happened just the year prior, and

0:34:18.680 --> 0:34:21.600
<v Speaker 3>that he'd fled the country prior to being sentenced. So

0:34:21.640 --> 0:34:24.399
<v Speaker 3>he's cutting out this six year period that he spent

0:34:24.440 --> 0:34:27.080
<v Speaker 3>in prison for the shooting and pretending that he had

0:34:27.120 --> 0:34:30.440
<v Speaker 3>just arrived there in Rhodesia immediately after the events that

0:34:30.960 --> 0:34:33.560
<v Speaker 3>we know took place in July of nineteen sixty seven.

0:34:34.680 --> 0:34:37.400
<v Speaker 3>And the timeline isn't the only thing that's off in

0:34:37.440 --> 0:34:40.920
<v Speaker 3>this version. Frank says the shootout only lasted ten minutes,

0:34:41.239 --> 0:34:44.120
<v Speaker 3>not over an hour, and he had decided to end

0:34:44.120 --> 0:34:46.480
<v Speaker 3>the incident on his own terms when he saw that

0:34:46.520 --> 0:34:49.640
<v Speaker 3>his father had arrived, rather than the truth, which was

0:34:49.640 --> 0:34:52.120
<v Speaker 3>that he argued with his distraught father for an hour

0:34:52.200 --> 0:34:54.320
<v Speaker 3>while continuing to shoot through the windows until he was

0:34:54.320 --> 0:34:58.160
<v Speaker 3>smoked out by tear gas. But the inciting incident in

0:34:58.160 --> 0:35:01.760
<v Speaker 3>this version is similar. He told Hickman about shooting guns

0:35:01.760 --> 0:35:03.880
<v Speaker 3>in the woods and the neighbors reporting the noise and

0:35:03.920 --> 0:35:07.400
<v Speaker 3>the officer arriving in the car chase, but he claimed

0:35:07.400 --> 0:35:08.920
<v Speaker 3>the gun he was shooting in the woods was one

0:35:08.960 --> 0:35:12.080
<v Speaker 3>he purchased from an advertisement and soldier of Fortune magazine,

0:35:12.120 --> 0:35:16.000
<v Speaker 3>which is obviously not possible because that magazine didn't exist

0:35:16.000 --> 0:35:18.520
<v Speaker 3>in nineteen sixty seven. I don't know, maybe he was

0:35:18.600 --> 0:35:21.560
<v Speaker 3>just updating the story so it would sound more current.

0:35:22.680 --> 0:35:25.160
<v Speaker 3>But Frank said he'd purchased the Tommy gun from the magazine,

0:35:25.160 --> 0:35:27.279
<v Speaker 3>but it was missing some parts. It didn't have a

0:35:27.320 --> 0:35:32.359
<v Speaker 3>firing pin and something else, so it didn't work. He

0:35:32.440 --> 0:35:35.719
<v Speaker 3>manufactured the necessary replacement parts, but he was concerned that

0:35:36.120 --> 0:35:39.359
<v Speaker 3>in his modification of the weapon maybe things weren't one

0:35:39.400 --> 0:35:41.680
<v Speaker 3>hundred percent and he was worried that it would explode

0:35:41.840 --> 0:35:44.360
<v Speaker 3>when fired, so he lashed it to a tree and

0:35:44.440 --> 0:35:46.880
<v Speaker 3>set it to fully automatic and rigged a string to

0:35:46.920 --> 0:35:50.160
<v Speaker 3>the trigger and hid behind another tree for cover.

0:35:50.280 --> 0:35:51.799
<v Speaker 1>This sounds so Looney.

0:35:51.520 --> 0:35:54.719
<v Speaker 3>Tunes to me, like a literal Looney Tunes cartoon, right,

0:35:54.760 --> 0:35:59.560
<v Speaker 3>This is this is daffy duck behavior. But he tells

0:35:59.600 --> 0:36:03.200
<v Speaker 3>this story to Hickman, and in his essay Hickman writes

0:36:04.200 --> 0:36:08.759
<v Speaker 3>true or false, impossible to believe. Sweeney had the uncanny

0:36:08.800 --> 0:36:12.640
<v Speaker 3>ability to sound totally convincing. But it is significant to

0:36:12.640 --> 0:36:16.200
<v Speaker 3>note that a search undertaken based on Sweeney's fingerprint, records

0:36:16.239 --> 0:36:23.719
<v Speaker 3>revealed no such incident, which doesn't say much for the

0:36:23.760 --> 0:36:27.799
<v Speaker 3>state of Rhodesian intelligence, because, yeah, Frank's taking a little

0:36:27.800 --> 0:36:31.120
<v Speaker 3>creative license here. The story he's telling is not one

0:36:31.160 --> 0:36:35.560
<v Speaker 3>hundred percent true, but he is admitting to almost all

0:36:35.600 --> 0:36:38.840
<v Speaker 3>of the real details for the real crime he really

0:36:38.880 --> 0:36:40.000
<v Speaker 3>did go to prison for.

0:36:41.160 --> 0:36:42.840
<v Speaker 1>So you you probably should.

0:36:42.600 --> 0:36:44.600
<v Speaker 3>Have figured that out before he told you, and you

0:36:44.680 --> 0:36:46.440
<v Speaker 3>definitely should have been able to figure.

0:36:46.200 --> 0:36:48.400
<v Speaker 1>It out after he told you.

0:36:49.640 --> 0:36:53.120
<v Speaker 3>They could have contacted a police department or a courthouse

0:36:53.160 --> 0:36:57.520
<v Speaker 3>in New Jersey and just asked, Hell, they probably could

0:36:57.520 --> 0:36:59.720
<v Speaker 3>have called any resident of ten to fly New Jersey

0:36:59.719 --> 0:37:03.520
<v Speaker 3>at random and just asked, do you remember the teenage

0:37:03.600 --> 0:37:05.840
<v Speaker 3>Nazi bank robber who shot a cop in his mom's

0:37:05.840 --> 0:37:09.759
<v Speaker 3>front yard. It's kind of a small town. I bet

0:37:09.760 --> 0:37:15.080
<v Speaker 3>everybody remembered. But I guess they didn't do that. They

0:37:15.360 --> 0:37:17.640
<v Speaker 3>weren't even a real country, so maybe they didn't have

0:37:17.680 --> 0:37:19.560
<v Speaker 3>a guy who knew how to do a background check.

0:37:21.239 --> 0:37:24.439
<v Speaker 3>The Rhodesian police continued to hold Frank in custody, and

0:37:24.560 --> 0:37:26.160
<v Speaker 3>while he was waiting to find out if they were

0:37:26.200 --> 0:37:29.200
<v Speaker 3>going to try him for attempted murder got some mail

0:37:29.920 --> 0:37:33.160
<v Speaker 3>an envelope containing two United States passports and three hundred

0:37:33.200 --> 0:37:37.960
<v Speaker 3>dollars in cash. Both passports bore Frank's photo in Frank's

0:37:37.960 --> 0:37:41.680
<v Speaker 3>birth date, but only one had Frank's name on it.

0:37:42.680 --> 0:37:46.560
<v Speaker 3>The other was for Francis august Schellhammer, a man who

0:37:46.560 --> 0:37:49.759
<v Speaker 3>doesn't exist. He explained to the officers that he was

0:37:49.880 --> 0:37:52.560
<v Speaker 3>quite good at making such things, and even offered to

0:37:52.640 --> 0:37:55.360
<v Speaker 3>forge a pair of US passports for Hickman and the

0:37:55.400 --> 0:38:01.719
<v Speaker 3>other detective. Hickman says that they declined the offer. Remarkably,

0:38:01.760 --> 0:38:04.920
<v Speaker 3>the Rhodesian government opted to drop the charges and just

0:38:04.920 --> 0:38:08.279
<v Speaker 3>send Frank home. Can you court martial a mercenary?

0:38:08.360 --> 0:38:08.720
<v Speaker 1>I don't.

0:38:09.120 --> 0:38:11.120
<v Speaker 3>That's not something I've ever needed to wonder about. I

0:38:11.120 --> 0:38:13.480
<v Speaker 3>don't know really what the options were here, but it

0:38:13.520 --> 0:38:17.360
<v Speaker 3>wasn't worth it to them. They sent him home, So

0:38:17.440 --> 0:38:20.680
<v Speaker 3>sometime in the summer of nineteen seventy five, Frank Sweeney

0:38:20.719 --> 0:38:23.800
<v Speaker 3>was kicked out at the Rhodesian Light Infantry and deported

0:38:23.840 --> 0:38:27.839
<v Speaker 3>from Rhodesia. He got his free flight home after all,

0:38:28.719 --> 0:38:46.200
<v Speaker 3>and was permanently banned from a country that never existed.

0:38:46.400 --> 0:38:49.120
<v Speaker 3>Shortly after he got home to New Jersey, he wrote

0:38:49.120 --> 0:38:52.560
<v Speaker 3>a letter to Hickman. Frank's mother had mailed him some

0:38:52.640 --> 0:38:55.080
<v Speaker 3>more cash before all this trouble got started, and it

0:38:55.160 --> 0:38:58.000
<v Speaker 3>arrived in Rhodesia after he was already gone, and he

0:38:58.000 --> 0:39:01.120
<v Speaker 3>wanted Hickman to put it back in the mail for him.

0:39:01.239 --> 0:39:03.920
<v Speaker 3>His letter, which Hickman has actually held on to all

0:39:03.920 --> 0:39:06.920
<v Speaker 3>these years, is dated August twenty second.

0:39:06.760 --> 0:39:07.879
<v Speaker 1>Nineteen seventy five.

0:39:08.360 --> 0:39:11.440
<v Speaker 3>So if he's already home and realizing his mail is missing,

0:39:11.440 --> 0:39:13.520
<v Speaker 3>and writing the letter in August of seventy five, that

0:39:14.280 --> 0:39:17.759
<v Speaker 3>all the events before that happened earlier in nineteen seventy five,

0:39:18.480 --> 0:39:21.839
<v Speaker 3>you get it. In addition to asking Hickman to mail

0:39:21.880 --> 0:39:24.919
<v Speaker 3>back the money from his mother, Frank tells the investigator

0:39:24.920 --> 0:39:29.399
<v Speaker 3>that life in America is loathsome compared to the time

0:39:29.440 --> 0:39:31.760
<v Speaker 3>he spent in Rhodesia.

0:39:32.960 --> 0:39:36.040
<v Speaker 6>It's one big racial cessfool where the worst element is

0:39:36.080 --> 0:39:39.280
<v Speaker 6>looked on and held in high esteem. With my RLI

0:39:39.320 --> 0:39:41.600
<v Speaker 6>training to back me up, I have seriously thought of

0:39:41.680 --> 0:39:44.600
<v Speaker 6>forming my own anti terrorism unit here in the land

0:39:44.600 --> 0:39:47.480
<v Speaker 6>of the Red, White, and Blue. The real problem is

0:39:47.520 --> 0:39:50.600
<v Speaker 6>finding enough devoted men to form a small cadre. If

0:39:50.600 --> 0:39:53.640
<v Speaker 6>you ever do visit America, I would genuinely enjoy meeting

0:39:53.640 --> 0:39:55.960
<v Speaker 6>with you again, and I'm sure my family would like

0:39:56.000 --> 0:39:58.400
<v Speaker 6>to meet you too. Even though my service in the

0:39:58.400 --> 0:40:02.120
<v Speaker 6>military was cut short, loyalty to Rhodesa remains as strong

0:40:02.280 --> 0:40:02.840
<v Speaker 6>as ever.

0:40:05.800 --> 0:40:07.799
<v Speaker 3>So now he's back in the United States, and this

0:40:07.840 --> 0:40:10.239
<v Speaker 3>is during the same time period that he's placing those

0:40:10.239 --> 0:40:15.359
<v Speaker 3>ads in gun magazines to recruit other Rhodesian mercenaries. He's

0:40:15.360 --> 0:40:20.200
<v Speaker 3>also placing some other classified ads. So he's engaging in

0:40:20.239 --> 0:40:24.319
<v Speaker 3>this federal crime of recruiting foreign mercenaries using his own

0:40:24.400 --> 0:40:27.880
<v Speaker 3>legal name and his parents' address. That's not a problem.

0:40:28.320 --> 0:40:31.520
<v Speaker 3>The United States government had no real appetite for enforcing

0:40:31.600 --> 0:40:36.400
<v Speaker 3>the statute prohibiting him from recruiting people into a foreign army.

0:40:36.719 --> 0:40:40.400
<v Speaker 3>But when he placed ads offering four MP forty Schmeiser

0:40:40.480 --> 0:40:43.879
<v Speaker 3>submachine guns for sale, he didn't use his own name.

0:40:44.800 --> 0:40:49.239
<v Speaker 3>He used the name Francis August Shellhammer, the name from

0:40:49.280 --> 0:40:52.160
<v Speaker 3>the forged passport, and he listed a commercial address in

0:40:52.200 --> 0:40:56.880
<v Speaker 3>Fort Lee, New Jersey. It seems Frank never actually had

0:40:57.080 --> 0:40:59.839
<v Speaker 3>these Nazi submachine guns, but he did collect the money

0:41:00.239 --> 0:41:03.600
<v Speaker 3>by many interested collectors who thought they were buying these

0:41:03.640 --> 0:41:07.200
<v Speaker 3>imaginary guns. It seems like a great hack to make

0:41:07.239 --> 0:41:11.200
<v Speaker 3>free money, but unfortunately for Frank, that is mail fraud.

0:41:12.400 --> 0:41:15.360
<v Speaker 3>So in March of nineteen seventy six, he's being interviewed

0:41:15.400 --> 0:41:18.000
<v Speaker 3>by a reporter from the La Times, and he's telling

0:41:18.000 --> 0:41:20.959
<v Speaker 3>this reporter he's enjoyed his time in Rhodesia so much

0:41:21.040 --> 0:41:24.240
<v Speaker 3>that he's actually planning to move back to South Africa.

0:41:23.840 --> 0:41:25.560
<v Speaker 1>In just a few weeks. Notice.

0:41:25.600 --> 0:41:27.799
<v Speaker 3>He's moving to South Africa, not Rhodesia because he is

0:41:27.840 --> 0:41:32.160
<v Speaker 3>not allowed in Rhodesia, but he's planning this big move.

0:41:32.200 --> 0:41:34.560
<v Speaker 3>He's telling this reporter about it. He's bragging about his

0:41:34.640 --> 0:41:38.839
<v Speaker 3>time in Rhodesia. But at the same time, in March

0:41:38.840 --> 0:41:41.680
<v Speaker 3>of nineteen seventy six, he's also entering a guilty plead

0:41:41.719 --> 0:41:45.680
<v Speaker 3>to that federal mail fraud charge. The La Times article,

0:41:45.719 --> 0:41:48.400
<v Speaker 3>which doesn't make any mention of his former or current

0:41:48.440 --> 0:41:52.400
<v Speaker 3>criminal charges, does say that Frank said that he'd recently

0:41:52.440 --> 0:41:55.520
<v Speaker 3>been visited by the FBI, and Frank says they came

0:41:55.560 --> 0:41:57.560
<v Speaker 3>to his house to try to pressure him to provide

0:41:57.560 --> 0:42:02.200
<v Speaker 3>information about other mercenaries. It seems a little more likely

0:42:02.239 --> 0:42:05.319
<v Speaker 3>that he's a compulsive liar who got a thrill out

0:42:05.320 --> 0:42:08.720
<v Speaker 3>of working in this kernel of truth because the FBI

0:42:09.280 --> 0:42:13.200
<v Speaker 3>had just been to his house, that part's true, but

0:42:13.280 --> 0:42:17.600
<v Speaker 3>they were there to arrest him for mail fraud, but

0:42:17.680 --> 0:42:20.680
<v Speaker 3>he wasn't lying about his plans for an upcoming move.

0:42:21.560 --> 0:42:24.640
<v Speaker 3>After pleading guilty to the mail fraud charge, he skipped

0:42:24.680 --> 0:42:27.279
<v Speaker 3>out on his sentencing hearing. He packed his bags and

0:42:27.360 --> 0:42:30.680
<v Speaker 3>he caught a flight to Johannesburg, but South Africa sent

0:42:30.760 --> 0:42:33.920
<v Speaker 3>him right back and he was arrested by US marshals

0:42:33.960 --> 0:42:36.000
<v Speaker 3>as he was getting off the plane at JFK in

0:42:36.200 --> 0:42:40.640
<v Speaker 3>June of nineteen seventy six. And while marshals were arresting him,

0:42:40.680 --> 0:42:42.799
<v Speaker 3>his suitcase was loaded off the plane and it went

0:42:42.800 --> 0:42:47.320
<v Speaker 3>through customs without him. Customs officials seized a nine millimeters

0:42:47.360 --> 0:42:50.480
<v Speaker 3>Luguar pistol because he lacked the proper paperwork to bring

0:42:50.480 --> 0:42:54.880
<v Speaker 3>the firearm into the US from a foreign country, and inexplicably,

0:42:54.960 --> 0:42:59.319
<v Speaker 3>there were no additional charges brought for any of that.

0:43:00.400 --> 0:43:02.719
<v Speaker 3>He wasn't supposed to have a gun at all, and

0:43:02.760 --> 0:43:05.240
<v Speaker 3>he certainly wasn't supposed to try to flee the continent

0:43:05.320 --> 0:43:08.160
<v Speaker 3>while awaiting sentencing for a federal crime. I know the

0:43:08.200 --> 0:43:10.799
<v Speaker 3>seventies were a different time, and it wasn't a big deal.

0:43:10.840 --> 0:43:11.560
<v Speaker 1>To bring a gun to.

0:43:11.480 --> 0:43:14.600
<v Speaker 3>The airport, but fleeing the country to avoid going to

0:43:14.680 --> 0:43:16.680
<v Speaker 3>prison is always been illegal.

0:43:17.160 --> 0:43:18.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty sure of it.

0:43:19.400 --> 0:43:21.960
<v Speaker 3>I found a couple of cheeky little articles written a

0:43:22.000 --> 0:43:24.839
<v Speaker 3>few years later about how the government ended up accidentally

0:43:24.880 --> 0:43:28.640
<v Speaker 3>giving him that gun back. It was seized by customs

0:43:28.640 --> 0:43:30.759
<v Speaker 3>and put into storage while he was in prison, and

0:43:30.880 --> 0:43:32.560
<v Speaker 3>when he got out of prison, he wrote to the

0:43:32.600 --> 0:43:35.280
<v Speaker 3>Customs office in New York to inquire about it, and

0:43:35.520 --> 0:43:38.120
<v Speaker 3>they told him they'd return his property if he paid

0:43:38.120 --> 0:43:40.960
<v Speaker 3>a two hundred and forty four dollars storage fee. I

0:43:40.960 --> 0:43:42.680
<v Speaker 3>don't know what that comes out to per month for

0:43:42.719 --> 0:43:44.800
<v Speaker 3>the four years he was in prison, but that seems steep,

0:43:46.360 --> 0:43:49.320
<v Speaker 3>and so Frank claims he walked right into the Customs

0:43:49.320 --> 0:43:52.440
<v Speaker 3>office inside the World Trade Center in May of nineteen eighty,

0:43:53.080 --> 0:43:56.239
<v Speaker 3>paid the fee, failed out a form, and they gave

0:43:56.320 --> 0:43:59.680
<v Speaker 3>him back his gun. A spokesman for the US Customs

0:43:59.719 --> 0:44:02.400
<v Speaker 3>Service said they had no way of knowing he was

0:44:02.440 --> 0:44:05.719
<v Speaker 3>a felon. Frank said it was all just a half

0:44:05.719 --> 0:44:08.840
<v Speaker 3>hearted joke, telling a reporter all I really wanted to

0:44:08.880 --> 0:44:10.919
<v Speaker 3>do was test the gun laws to show there really

0:44:10.960 --> 0:44:14.239
<v Speaker 3>is a need for federal gun legislation. The Feds are

0:44:14.239 --> 0:44:16.359
<v Speaker 3>giving criminals like me are guns back in New York

0:44:16.400 --> 0:44:20.440
<v Speaker 3>City just for the asking. Federal gun laws are versical.

0:44:23.280 --> 0:44:25.160
<v Speaker 3>You know, he's not a great guy, but he does

0:44:25.200 --> 0:44:29.120
<v Speaker 3>have some quips. You know, he's just out there doing bits.

0:44:30.239 --> 0:44:32.000
<v Speaker 3>And he ended up handing the gun back over to

0:44:32.000 --> 0:44:36.000
<v Speaker 3>the ATF without incident. A few months later, but back

0:44:36.000 --> 0:44:38.960
<v Speaker 3>to the mail fraud. He got the four years for

0:44:38.960 --> 0:44:41.799
<v Speaker 3>the mail fraud and was sent to federal prison. And

0:44:41.840 --> 0:44:44.480
<v Speaker 3>it was in prison this time around that Frank would

0:44:44.480 --> 0:44:48.839
<v Speaker 3>meet Christopher Boyce, a young defense contractor who'd recently been

0:44:48.880 --> 0:44:53.839
<v Speaker 3>convicted of espionage in nineteen seventy four. A twenty one

0:44:53.920 --> 0:44:56.879
<v Speaker 3>year old college dropout, and Christopher Boyce got a job

0:44:56.920 --> 0:45:01.640
<v Speaker 3>at TRW, an aerospace company with a lot of government contracts.

0:45:02.719 --> 0:45:05.600
<v Speaker 3>He wasn't really qualified for the role, having never worked

0:45:05.640 --> 0:45:07.399
<v Speaker 3>in an office before, but he.

0:45:07.320 --> 0:45:08.720
<v Speaker 1>Started as a low level clerk.

0:45:09.560 --> 0:45:12.080
<v Speaker 3>It helped that his retired FBI agent father was the

0:45:12.080 --> 0:45:15.160
<v Speaker 3>head of security at McDonald Douglas, another aerospace and defense

0:45:15.200 --> 0:45:20.399
<v Speaker 3>contracting company, and he had connections at TRW. But TRW

0:45:20.600 --> 0:45:25.480
<v Speaker 3>didn't just make satellites and jet engines. In his own

0:45:25.560 --> 0:45:28.880
<v Speaker 3>later testimony before a Congressional committee, Boyce described the company

0:45:28.920 --> 0:45:33.640
<v Speaker 3>as a CIA contractor, something he'd had no idea about

0:45:33.680 --> 0:45:36.560
<v Speaker 3>before his promotion to a highly sensitive position working on

0:45:36.880 --> 0:45:41.719
<v Speaker 3>special projects from inside the company's black vault and with

0:45:41.760 --> 0:45:45.319
<v Speaker 3>a top secret CIA clearance, Boyce had access to the

0:45:45.320 --> 0:45:50.239
<v Speaker 3>company's encrypted teletype connection with Langley. On at least a

0:45:50.320 --> 0:45:53.880
<v Speaker 3>dozen occasions, he removed documents from the vault and photographed them.

0:45:54.400 --> 0:45:57.759
<v Speaker 3>On at least six occasions, he photographed documents inside the

0:45:57.840 --> 0:46:04.560
<v Speaker 3>VAULTA told Congress. Obviously, neither the government's clearance procedures nor

0:46:04.600 --> 0:46:13.239
<v Speaker 3>the company's security procedures worked very well, I'll say. In

0:46:13.280 --> 0:46:17.840
<v Speaker 3>his new position inside the vault, Boyce monitored satellite communications

0:46:17.880 --> 0:46:22.760
<v Speaker 3>between the CIA, his employer TRW, and other CIA contacts

0:46:22.800 --> 0:46:27.920
<v Speaker 3>around the world. In his congressional testimony, Boyce describes a

0:46:27.960 --> 0:46:33.440
<v Speaker 3>shockingly lax approach to security for this allegedly super secure

0:46:33.480 --> 0:46:37.040
<v Speaker 3>black vault. He would come back to work late at

0:46:37.120 --> 0:46:39.879
<v Speaker 3>night to return the documents he'd stolen, and no one

0:46:40.000 --> 0:46:42.880
<v Speaker 3>questioned why a junior employee was opening the vault at

0:46:42.920 --> 0:46:47.160
<v Speaker 3>four am. He made deliveries to secure CIA sites without

0:46:47.200 --> 0:46:50.240
<v Speaker 3>having the proper clearance to enter them, and on one occasion,

0:46:50.320 --> 0:46:53.080
<v Speaker 3>he wandered into a CIA code room, picked up a

0:46:53.080 --> 0:46:57.080
<v Speaker 3>clipboard and was flipping through the pages before someone politely

0:46:57.120 --> 0:47:01.760
<v Speaker 3>asked him to leave. Employees in the vault were supposed

0:47:01.760 --> 0:47:04.760
<v Speaker 3>to destroy the code cards used in the teletype machine

0:47:04.760 --> 0:47:07.880
<v Speaker 3>at the end of each workday. Boyce says they just

0:47:08.120 --> 0:47:10.240
<v Speaker 3>tossed the cards in a canvas bag in the corner,

0:47:10.280 --> 0:47:13.640
<v Speaker 3>and they used the document destruction blender to make my

0:47:13.840 --> 0:47:16.440
<v Speaker 3>ties with the Bacardi that they kept hidden behind the

0:47:16.440 --> 0:47:17.760
<v Speaker 3>cryptography machines.

0:47:19.160 --> 0:47:20.480
<v Speaker 1>He claims it was common.

0:47:20.200 --> 0:47:23.040
<v Speaker 3>For the vault to receive transmissions from Langley that weren't

0:47:23.080 --> 0:47:28.360
<v Speaker 3>actually meant for them, misdirected communications, these CIA cables that

0:47:28.400 --> 0:47:30.840
<v Speaker 3>had nothing to do with TRW or their work with

0:47:30.880 --> 0:47:34.279
<v Speaker 3>the agency, but no one really cared, and there was

0:47:34.760 --> 0:47:39.200
<v Speaker 3>no clear accountability process for ensuring that these top secret

0:47:39.239 --> 0:47:41.760
<v Speaker 3>CIA documents that had been sent to them by mistake

0:47:42.520 --> 0:47:50.000
<v Speaker 3>were actually destroyed. And these are the documents that Boyce stole. Okay,

0:47:50.040 --> 0:47:52.680
<v Speaker 3>I know Frank's not even in this part, but I

0:47:52.840 --> 0:47:55.040
<v Speaker 3>have to tell you just a little bit about the

0:47:55.120 --> 0:47:59.279
<v Speaker 3>nineteen seventy five constitutional crisis in Australia. I know, I know,

0:47:59.400 --> 0:48:02.120
<v Speaker 3>this is an even more egregious digression than the history

0:48:02.160 --> 0:48:05.319
<v Speaker 3>of Rhodesia. But look at the show art. It's not

0:48:05.400 --> 0:48:07.400
<v Speaker 3>just cool to look at. We are living on my

0:48:07.560 --> 0:48:10.840
<v Speaker 3>red string board, and I've got to put this pushpin

0:48:10.960 --> 0:48:11.680
<v Speaker 3>in somewhere.

0:48:12.719 --> 0:48:13.000
<v Speaker 4>Now.

0:48:13.560 --> 0:48:15.839
<v Speaker 3>I know even less about Australia that I know about

0:48:15.840 --> 0:48:19.319
<v Speaker 3>the decolonization of Africa in the twentieth century, which is

0:48:19.360 --> 0:48:23.839
<v Speaker 3>to say, like not very much. I think they still

0:48:23.840 --> 0:48:27.040
<v Speaker 3>have the Queen. I guess it's the king.

0:48:27.400 --> 0:48:27.760
<v Speaker 1>Now.

0:48:28.440 --> 0:48:30.759
<v Speaker 3>Did they have to print new money after the queen died?

0:48:31.640 --> 0:48:33.440
<v Speaker 3>It doesn't matter, It doesn't matter.

0:48:34.239 --> 0:48:34.839
<v Speaker 1>But I was.

0:48:34.840 --> 0:48:39.240
<v Speaker 3>Delighted to discover that CIA meddling in an Australian political

0:48:39.320 --> 0:48:44.239
<v Speaker 3>crisis was even a possibility. How intriguing, you know. I

0:48:44.280 --> 0:48:46.160
<v Speaker 3>know they like to keep it south of the equator,

0:48:46.200 --> 0:48:48.879
<v Speaker 3>but I thought that was just a Western Hemisphere thing.

0:48:49.960 --> 0:48:50.240
<v Speaker 1>Now.

0:48:50.280 --> 0:48:53.799
<v Speaker 3>Of course, of course, the United States government maintains that

0:48:53.880 --> 0:48:57.960
<v Speaker 3>the CIA had no role in pushing Prime Minister GoF

0:48:58.000 --> 0:49:01.480
<v Speaker 3>Whitlam out of office in nineteen seventy five, but Christopher

0:49:01.520 --> 0:49:06.319
<v Speaker 3>Boyce went to prison claiming otherwise. In the seventies, GoF

0:49:06.360 --> 0:49:08.719
<v Speaker 3>Whitlam was the head of the Australian Labor Party and

0:49:08.800 --> 0:49:13.920
<v Speaker 3>his administration was fairly socially progressive. He was also considering

0:49:14.040 --> 0:49:18.360
<v Speaker 3>closing Pine Gap, a US signals intelligence surveillance base in

0:49:18.400 --> 0:49:23.359
<v Speaker 3>central Australia run by the CIA. In nineteen seventy five,

0:49:23.440 --> 0:49:26.520
<v Speaker 3>the opposition party, which controlled the Senate deferred the passage

0:49:26.520 --> 0:49:27.799
<v Speaker 3>of an appropriations bill.

0:49:28.760 --> 0:49:30.080
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

0:49:30.200 --> 0:49:32.640
<v Speaker 3>And am not going to find out how the Australian

0:49:32.680 --> 0:49:36.320
<v Speaker 3>government functions. But this sounds like the silly little crisis

0:49:36.320 --> 0:49:38.920
<v Speaker 3>we seem to have every year where someone refuses to

0:49:38.920 --> 0:49:41.240
<v Speaker 3>pass the bill that keeps the lights on at the government.

0:49:41.840 --> 0:49:44.640
<v Speaker 3>And Australia's Governor General, John Kerr used the fallout of

0:49:44.640 --> 0:49:48.080
<v Speaker 3>this crisis as a justification to dismiss Whitlam as Prime Minister,

0:49:48.840 --> 0:49:52.239
<v Speaker 3>which is apparently the thing he had the power to do.

0:49:52.360 --> 0:49:54.560
<v Speaker 3>It's like they have a guy that can fire the president.

0:49:55.040 --> 0:49:55.480
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

0:49:55.640 --> 0:49:59.000
<v Speaker 3>I just not my business what happens in Australia, and

0:49:59.040 --> 0:50:03.759
<v Speaker 3>at the time dismissed allegations of CIA involvement, saying Kerr

0:50:03.800 --> 0:50:07.880
<v Speaker 3>didn't need any encouragement from anybody to fire him. But

0:50:07.920 --> 0:50:10.960
<v Speaker 3>in his memoirs published decades later, he wrote that in

0:50:11.040 --> 0:50:14.480
<v Speaker 3>nineteen seventy seven, President Jimmy Carter sent Warren Christopher, the

0:50:14.520 --> 0:50:18.440
<v Speaker 3>Deputy Secretary of State to Australia, to meet with Whitlam,

0:50:18.840 --> 0:50:22.760
<v Speaker 3>and Christopher told Whitlam that the United States quote would

0:50:22.800 --> 0:50:34.080
<v Speaker 3>never again interfere with Australia's democratic processes, never again, never again.

0:50:35.520 --> 0:50:38.239
<v Speaker 3>And Whitlam's personal secretary backs up this recollection of the

0:50:38.320 --> 0:50:39.600
<v Speaker 3>use of the word again.

0:50:40.640 --> 0:50:41.480
<v Speaker 1>But I'll reiterate.

0:50:41.760 --> 0:50:44.320
<v Speaker 3>The CIA says they were not involved.

0:50:44.960 --> 0:50:46.040
<v Speaker 1>They said they didn't do it.

0:50:47.920 --> 0:50:52.160
<v Speaker 3>All that to say, though, our pot smoking, disaffected college

0:50:52.239 --> 0:50:54.719
<v Speaker 3>dropout who was getting drunk at lunch most days and

0:50:54.760 --> 0:50:58.920
<v Speaker 3>making paper airplanes out of CIA encryption code cards, probably

0:50:58.920 --> 0:51:03.040
<v Speaker 3>didn't know anything about the Australian Senate blocking an appropriations bill.

0:51:04.320 --> 0:51:08.719
<v Speaker 3>But by his account, he did sometimes read those misdirected

0:51:08.760 --> 0:51:12.560
<v Speaker 3>CIA cables that he was supposed to destroy, and some

0:51:12.640 --> 0:51:15.359
<v Speaker 3>of those messages were about a growing desire within the

0:51:15.400 --> 0:51:19.560
<v Speaker 3>CIA to have Whitlam removed from office, referring to the

0:51:19.560 --> 0:51:27.040
<v Speaker 3>Australian Governor General as our manker. So he stole them,

0:51:27.200 --> 0:51:29.120
<v Speaker 3>and instead of going to the press, he and his

0:51:29.239 --> 0:51:33.160
<v Speaker 3>childhood friend, a cocaine dealer named Dalton Lee, decided to

0:51:33.200 --> 0:51:36.719
<v Speaker 3>sell the documents to the Soviets. Lee would take the

0:51:36.760 --> 0:51:39.120
<v Speaker 3>documents down to Mexico and deliver them to the Soviet

0:51:39.160 --> 0:51:41.560
<v Speaker 3>embassy and return with cash which they split.

0:51:42.560 --> 0:51:44.720
<v Speaker 1>And maybe it would have worked.

0:51:45.360 --> 0:51:48.000
<v Speaker 3>Maybe not forever, but would have worked for a while

0:51:49.040 --> 0:51:53.239
<v Speaker 3>if not for a little mistake, a tiny careless act.

0:51:53.920 --> 0:51:57.480
<v Speaker 3>In an absolutely absurd turn of history. Dalton Lee was

0:51:57.560 --> 0:52:00.400
<v Speaker 3>arrested in nineteen seventy seven outside the Soviet ms in

0:52:00.440 --> 0:52:06.040
<v Speaker 3>Mexico City. He wasn't arrested for espionage or drug trafficking,

0:52:06.120 --> 0:52:09.920
<v Speaker 3>two things he was definitely doing. He was arrested by

0:52:09.960 --> 0:52:16.040
<v Speaker 3>Mexican police for littering, but under interrogation about the drugs

0:52:16.040 --> 0:52:19.600
<v Speaker 3>and documents they subsequently found on him, he admitted everything.

0:52:21.040 --> 0:52:23.600
<v Speaker 3>Christopher Boyce was arrested by authorities in the US just

0:52:23.640 --> 0:52:26.880
<v Speaker 3>ten days later, and accounts vary as to whether or

0:52:26.960 --> 0:52:29.720
<v Speaker 3>not Dalton Lee gave boys up. In that initial interview,

0:52:30.280 --> 0:52:33.520
<v Speaker 3>he says he didn't and he probably didn't need to.

0:52:33.719 --> 0:52:36.279
<v Speaker 3>The authorities would have arrived at the conclusion that it

0:52:36.320 --> 0:52:38.719
<v Speaker 3>was boys who had stolen those documents, whether Dalton Lee

0:52:38.800 --> 0:52:42.319
<v Speaker 3>gave him up or not, so you know, we'll never know.

0:52:43.600 --> 0:52:46.759
<v Speaker 3>But this is where Frank comes back. This is where

0:52:46.760 --> 0:52:50.760
<v Speaker 3>Frank reappears in his own story. I haven't forgotten him

0:52:51.160 --> 0:52:55.160
<v Speaker 3>because while all this CIA's skullduggery and Cold War espionage

0:52:55.239 --> 0:52:58.120
<v Speaker 3>is going on, Frank is sitting in a jail cell

0:52:58.160 --> 0:53:01.480
<v Speaker 3>on Terminal Island, a low security federal corrections facility in

0:53:01.520 --> 0:53:05.359
<v Speaker 3>Los Angeles. I can't find a good reason for why

0:53:05.400 --> 0:53:07.719
<v Speaker 3>he would have been transported to a prison in California

0:53:07.719 --> 0:53:11.920
<v Speaker 3>after being arrested in New York, but government inefficiency is

0:53:12.040 --> 0:53:16.840
<v Speaker 3>as likely an explanation as anything else. Christopher Boyce was

0:53:16.920 --> 0:53:19.800
<v Speaker 3>ultimately convicted of eight counts of espionage in nineteen seventy

0:53:19.840 --> 0:53:23.399
<v Speaker 3>seven and sentenced to forty years in prison, and for

0:53:23.520 --> 0:53:26.919
<v Speaker 3>several months in late seventy seven to early seventy eight,

0:53:27.360 --> 0:53:29.120
<v Speaker 3>the two men were on the same cell block at

0:53:29.160 --> 0:53:33.200
<v Speaker 3>Terminal Island. Much has been made of the apparent incongruity

0:53:33.239 --> 0:53:35.840
<v Speaker 3>of Frank, a man who fought as a mercenary against

0:53:35.840 --> 0:53:40.360
<v Speaker 3>communist gorillas, befriending Boyce, a man convicted of aiding the

0:53:40.400 --> 0:53:43.120
<v Speaker 3>Soviet Union, But I don't think either of them had

0:53:43.120 --> 0:53:46.920
<v Speaker 3>a fully formed set of political beliefs at the time.

0:53:48.080 --> 0:53:50.600
<v Speaker 3>Boyce's mother would later say that the two became quite

0:53:50.600 --> 0:53:55.719
<v Speaker 3>close in those months. Frank was for reasons I spent

0:53:55.880 --> 0:53:59.279
<v Speaker 3>way too long unsuccessfully trying to figure out transferred to

0:53:59.360 --> 0:54:03.320
<v Speaker 3>a prison in sometime in early nineteen seventy eight. Boyce

0:54:03.320 --> 0:54:06.000
<v Speaker 3>would eventually be transferred to Lompoc, a prison a few

0:54:06.000 --> 0:54:09.640
<v Speaker 3>hours north of Los Angeles, and in January of nineteen eighty,

0:54:10.600 --> 0:54:17.120
<v Speaker 3>Christopher Boyce escaped from prison. The ensuing manhunt for the

0:54:17.120 --> 0:54:20.800
<v Speaker 3>missing spy would last nearly two years, in part because

0:54:20.840 --> 0:54:25.200
<v Speaker 3>Frank was planting false clues from Cape Town to California

0:54:25.280 --> 0:54:27.120
<v Speaker 3>to lead investigators.

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<v Speaker 1>In the long direction. And that's where I have to

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<v Speaker 1>leave you today.

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<v Speaker 3>I do hope you'll come back next week for the

0:54:33.040 --> 0:54:36.719
<v Speaker 3>second half of Frank's story. There's a serial killer, a

0:54:36.760 --> 0:54:40.560
<v Speaker 3>mob boss, a jailhouse letter from his wife's boyfriend. Frank

0:54:40.600 --> 0:54:44.880
<v Speaker 3>stabs another guy, and for reasons I'm still not a

0:54:45.280 --> 0:54:52.360
<v Speaker 3>hundred percent clear run there were a bunch of snakes.

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<v Speaker 1>Weird little guys. The production of cool Zone Media.

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0:55:01.040 --> 0:55:13.359
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0:55:15.440 --> 0:55:17.759
<v Speaker 3>I'm so glad you decided to come back for part

0:55:17.800 --> 0:55:20.799
<v Speaker 3>two of the story of Frank Sweeney. If you didn't

0:55:20.840 --> 0:55:24.120
<v Speaker 3>hear part one? You really need to. This isn't the

0:55:24.200 --> 0:55:27.319
<v Speaker 3>kind of story you can pick up midway through. You

0:55:27.400 --> 0:55:29.759
<v Speaker 3>missed a cop getting shot with a machine gun in

0:55:29.800 --> 0:55:34.000
<v Speaker 3>a New Jersey suburb, the Rhodesian bush War, possible CIA

0:55:34.120 --> 0:55:37.720
<v Speaker 3>involvement in an Australian political crisis, and we're just about

0:55:37.719 --> 0:55:38.319
<v Speaker 3>to pick up with.

0:55:38.280 --> 0:55:39.960
<v Speaker 1>Our escaped spy.

0:55:40.560 --> 0:55:43.359
<v Speaker 3>The second forty years of Frank's life are just as

0:55:43.360 --> 0:55:46.279
<v Speaker 3>weird as the first forty. There's a serial killer, a

0:55:46.320 --> 0:55:50.200
<v Speaker 3>mafia trial, two different secret wives, and a lot of

0:55:50.239 --> 0:55:56.000
<v Speaker 3>misuse of the postal service. I'm Molly Conger, and this

0:55:56.800 --> 0:56:12.280
<v Speaker 3>is weird, little guys.

0:56:13.320 --> 0:56:13.440
<v Speaker 7>Now.

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<v Speaker 3>When we left off last week, Frank was making friends

0:56:16.040 --> 0:56:19.120
<v Speaker 3>in prison. His new friend in nineteen seventy eight was

0:56:19.200 --> 0:56:21.840
<v Speaker 3>Christopher Boyce, who had just been convicted of espionage for

0:56:21.880 --> 0:56:24.080
<v Speaker 3>selling documents he stole from his job as a CIA

0:56:24.200 --> 0:56:27.880
<v Speaker 3>contractor to the Soviets, and then he escaped from prison.

0:56:29.400 --> 0:56:31.239
<v Speaker 3>Whether or not Frank was still in custody on the

0:56:31.320 --> 0:56:34.719
<v Speaker 3>day Christopher boyce escape from prison is surprisingly hard to

0:56:34.719 --> 0:56:38.239
<v Speaker 3>pin down. Several newspaper articles about Frank's role in the

0:56:38.320 --> 0:56:40.640
<v Speaker 3>ensuing manhunt for the missing spy put his release a

0:56:40.680 --> 0:56:44.120
<v Speaker 3>month before the escape, but others put it a month after.

0:56:45.120 --> 0:56:48.239
<v Speaker 3>Seems like this detail would really matter, but no one

0:56:48.280 --> 0:56:52.080
<v Speaker 3>seemed very concerned about it. In nineteen eighty, newspapers that

0:56:52.120 --> 0:56:54.360
<v Speaker 3>appeared to be quoting the same unnamed source from the

0:56:54.480 --> 0:56:57.799
<v Speaker 3>US Marshalls published conflicting stories, with some saying Frank flew

0:56:57.840 --> 0:57:01.480
<v Speaker 3>to South Africa shortly before Boyce's escape, and others putting

0:57:01.480 --> 0:57:05.239
<v Speaker 3>that trip slightly after the escape, although both of these

0:57:05.320 --> 0:57:09.040
<v Speaker 3>articles say it was exactly twenty three days before or after.

0:57:10.520 --> 0:57:13.120
<v Speaker 3>But in my frustrated search through forty year old newspapers

0:57:13.120 --> 0:57:15.319
<v Speaker 3>trying to figure out which prison Frank was calling home

0:57:15.360 --> 0:57:21.360
<v Speaker 3>that year, I found another surprise, another stabbing. Shortly after

0:57:21.360 --> 0:57:23.400
<v Speaker 3>Frank was transferred to a state prison in Maine in

0:57:23.440 --> 0:57:25.919
<v Speaker 3>nineteen seventy eight, he stabbed another inmate in the chest

0:57:25.960 --> 0:57:29.440
<v Speaker 3>during an argument in the prison library. And again we

0:57:29.520 --> 0:57:31.720
<v Speaker 3>have this problem that keeps coming up in Frank's life.

0:57:32.240 --> 0:57:35.320
<v Speaker 3>He loves to talk to reporters and he loves to lie.

0:57:36.480 --> 0:57:39.200
<v Speaker 3>It's the seventies. These reporters don't have the Internet, they

0:57:39.200 --> 0:57:42.160
<v Speaker 3>don't have access to electronic court records, so a lot

0:57:42.160 --> 0:57:45.200
<v Speaker 3>of Frank's lies get published when he files a lawsuit

0:57:45.200 --> 0:57:47.360
<v Speaker 3>against the prison warden in Maine about the conditions in

0:57:47.400 --> 0:57:50.840
<v Speaker 3>solitary confinement. Newspapers publish his claim that he was placed

0:57:50.840 --> 0:57:54.080
<v Speaker 3>in solitary for a stabbing he'd been suspected of, but

0:57:54.200 --> 0:57:58.520
<v Speaker 3>he says the investigation cleared him. A local newspaper in

0:57:58.560 --> 0:58:01.480
<v Speaker 3>Bangor Main, however, had a report in the courtroom when

0:58:01.520 --> 0:58:02.760
<v Speaker 3>he entered a guilty.

0:58:02.400 --> 0:58:03.520
<v Speaker 1>Plea to that stabbing.

0:58:05.000 --> 0:58:07.440
<v Speaker 3>But regardless of whether he got out in December of

0:58:07.480 --> 0:58:11.200
<v Speaker 3>seventy nine or February of nineteen eighty, we know Frank

0:58:11.240 --> 0:58:14.000
<v Speaker 3>flew to South Africa soon after he got out, and

0:58:14.040 --> 0:58:18.120
<v Speaker 3>that he stayed there for a couple of months. The

0:58:18.160 --> 0:58:20.760
<v Speaker 3>story of Christopher Boyce's nineteen months on the Lamb is

0:58:21.200 --> 0:58:25.800
<v Speaker 3>long and strange. Sean Penn plays Boyce's friend, the cocaine

0:58:25.800 --> 0:58:28.560
<v Speaker 3>dealer Dalton Lee in the nineteen eighty five film adaptation

0:58:28.600 --> 0:58:30.400
<v Speaker 3>of the book The Falcon and the Snowman about the

0:58:30.600 --> 0:58:34.080
<v Speaker 3>entire affair, I didn't watch it. There's only so much

0:58:34.080 --> 0:58:36.919
<v Speaker 3>I can do. But remember, this is the Cold War.

0:58:37.360 --> 0:58:40.600
<v Speaker 3>A missing Soviet spy is a pretty big pr problem

0:58:40.600 --> 0:58:43.640
<v Speaker 3>for the United States government. There was speculation that the

0:58:43.680 --> 0:58:47.480
<v Speaker 3>KGB had helped him escape. Boyce himself called a reporter

0:58:47.520 --> 0:58:49.440
<v Speaker 3>from a payphone a few months after the escape and

0:58:49.720 --> 0:58:53.160
<v Speaker 3>laughed about the idea that he'd had foreign assistance. He says,

0:58:53.160 --> 0:58:56.520
<v Speaker 3>he just climbed the fence and walked out. The task

0:58:56.560 --> 0:58:59.400
<v Speaker 3>force focused on finding boys believed all along that he'd

0:58:59.400 --> 0:59:02.959
<v Speaker 3>never Actually they left California, and they weren't too far off.

0:59:03.120 --> 0:59:06.439
<v Speaker 3>He was in Idaho the whole time. But a lot

0:59:06.440 --> 0:59:09.520
<v Speaker 3>of resources ended up getting expended pursuing a false lead

0:59:10.160 --> 0:59:13.840
<v Speaker 3>planted by our friend Frank. Now I can't prove Frank

0:59:13.880 --> 0:59:17.640
<v Speaker 3>sent all of these letters himself. I can't even find

0:59:17.640 --> 0:59:21.120
<v Speaker 3>contemporane his reporting where anyone ever outright said that they

0:59:21.160 --> 0:59:24.800
<v Speaker 3>believed Frank sent these letters. And he was never charged

0:59:24.840 --> 0:59:28.200
<v Speaker 3>in connection with his meddling in this investigation. But just

0:59:28.240 --> 0:59:30.520
<v Speaker 3>a few weeks after Boyce went missing, the United States

0:59:30.600 --> 0:59:35.520
<v Speaker 3>Ambassador in South Africa got a letter the postmark indicated

0:59:35.560 --> 0:59:38.480
<v Speaker 3>that had been mailed from within South Africa, and the

0:59:38.560 --> 0:59:42.480
<v Speaker 3>letter said a known mercenary named Shellhammer had assisted the

0:59:42.520 --> 0:59:46.960
<v Speaker 3>convicted American spy Christopher Boyce in entering South Africa by

0:59:47.040 --> 0:59:50.960
<v Speaker 3>way of a fake passport. Now, who do we know

0:59:51.000 --> 0:59:54.720
<v Speaker 3>with a history of forging passports of mailing anonymous letters

0:59:54.760 --> 0:59:58.280
<v Speaker 3>to officials in Southern Africa implicating himself and crimes and

0:59:59.200 --> 1:00:03.040
<v Speaker 3>using the pseudonyme shell Hammer. And he absolutely knew the

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<v Speaker 3>FEDS would tie him to that alias because it was

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<v Speaker 3>the one he had used in those classified ads in

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen seventy six that put him in prison for mail fraud.

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<v Speaker 3>And Frank was in South Africa in February of nineteen

1:00:13.040 --> 1:00:16.520
<v Speaker 3>eighty when that letter was mailed. It seems he wanted

1:00:16.560 --> 1:00:19.600
<v Speaker 3>the authorities to know he was involved. Why else would

1:00:19.600 --> 1:00:22.960
<v Speaker 3>he write his own pseudonym into the story. So FEDS

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<v Speaker 3>quickly turned their attention to Frank. They placed a tracking

1:00:26.280 --> 1:00:30.240
<v Speaker 3>beacon on his car. They followed him for months, and

1:00:30.320 --> 1:00:31.640
<v Speaker 3>he probably knew he.

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<v Speaker 1>Was being followed.

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<v Speaker 3>They followed him from his home in New Jersey all

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<v Speaker 3>the way out to California, and from a California motel,

1:00:38.440 --> 1:00:41.120
<v Speaker 3>he made several phone calls to an apartment in Hermosa Beach,

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<v Speaker 3>and when they searched that apartment they found it abandoned.

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<v Speaker 3>But they found several letters that Frank had sent to

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<v Speaker 3>a third man, another friend of theirs, from prison, one

1:00:51.000 --> 1:00:54.080
<v Speaker 3>of which read somehow They discovered that I helped him

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<v Speaker 3>get into South Africa. I suspect an informer has been

1:00:57.520 --> 1:01:02.640
<v Speaker 3>at work, but there was no informer. Frank wanted them

1:01:02.680 --> 1:01:05.200
<v Speaker 3>to find those letters, and Boyce was never in South Africa.

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<v Speaker 3>The only reason anyone thought Boyce might be in South

1:01:07.920 --> 1:01:10.720
<v Speaker 3>Africa is because Frank was planting false clues all over

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<v Speaker 3>the world.

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<v Speaker 1>To point them as far away.

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<v Speaker 3>As possible from a little hunting cabin in the mountains

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<v Speaker 3>of Idaho. US Marshalls eventually got frustrated following Frank around.

1:01:22.120 --> 1:01:24.800
<v Speaker 3>A federal prosecutor would actually say an open court that

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<v Speaker 3>Frank's arrest in July of nineteen eighty one was specifically

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<v Speaker 3>intended to give them leverage to make him cooperate in

1:01:30.720 --> 1:01:33.440
<v Speaker 3>the boy's case. It seemed like he knew something and

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<v Speaker 3>they wanted to know what it was. As a felon,

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<v Speaker 3>Frank wasn't allowed to have any guns, and of course

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<v Speaker 3>Frank had guns. Did find one newspaper article that wrapped

1:01:45.440 --> 1:01:48.959
<v Speaker 3>a sort of suspicious sounding hint that they only picked

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<v Speaker 3>Frank up for that gun charge because of an anonymous tip,

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<v Speaker 3>so maybe that.

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<v Speaker 1>Was him too.

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<v Speaker 3>But they picked him up in New Jersey at the

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<v Speaker 3>end of July, and he pretended to be very co operative,

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<v Speaker 3>telling them that he actually had some documents that would

1:02:02.880 --> 1:02:05.280
<v Speaker 3>leave them straight to boys and he would happily show

1:02:05.280 --> 1:02:08.440
<v Speaker 3>them to them. He voluntarily turned over the key to

1:02:08.480 --> 1:02:11.160
<v Speaker 3>the bank deposit box he was keeping them in, and

1:02:11.240 --> 1:02:14.280
<v Speaker 3>inside they found several letters to Frank that had been

1:02:14.320 --> 1:02:18.400
<v Speaker 3>mailed from South Africa. Sounds like more red herrings planted

1:02:18.440 --> 1:02:21.320
<v Speaker 3>by Frank. He'd flown to South Africa several times in

1:02:21.360 --> 1:02:23.320
<v Speaker 3>the year and a half since his release and was

1:02:23.360 --> 1:02:28.160
<v Speaker 3>probably mailing himself these letters on those visits. So now

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<v Speaker 3>in August of nineteen eighty one, it seems like there

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<v Speaker 3>could be some evidence that Boyce really was in South Africa.

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<v Speaker 3>Frank says he was promised placement in the Witness Protection

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<v Speaker 3>program for his help, and maybe they did make that

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<v Speaker 3>promise if he really could help them recover their missing spy,

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<v Speaker 3>that's a reasonable enough deal. And just a few weeks

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<v Speaker 3>after all of Frank's help, Boyce was recaptured, but it

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't due in any part to Frank's information. During his

1:02:57.280 --> 1:02:59.400
<v Speaker 3>year and a half on the run, Boyce obviously couldn't

1:02:59.400 --> 1:03:02.280
<v Speaker 3>get a job, so he made money the old fashioned

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<v Speaker 3>way bank robbery. He kept it pretty small time, nothing

1:03:06.680 --> 1:03:09.160
<v Speaker 3>flashy where you get into the vault. Just little stick

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<v Speaker 3>ups a few thousand at a time. From the teller.

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<v Speaker 3>He's tied to at least seventeen bank robberies in Idaho

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<v Speaker 3>and Washington State during that time, eventually teaming up with

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<v Speaker 3>a couple of brothers from Idaho, and it was one

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<v Speaker 3>of those men who turned Boys in for the reward

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<v Speaker 3>money no honor among thieves.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess.

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<v Speaker 3>Boyce was taken back into custody on August twenty first,

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen eighty one, and he wasn't in South Africa.

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<v Speaker 5>Nationwide flight ended for Christopher Boyce here at the pit

1:03:37.520 --> 1:03:40.440
<v Speaker 5>stop drive in at Port Angelus, Washington. He was eating

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<v Speaker 5>a cheeseburger and onion rings when eight federal agents jumped him.

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<v Speaker 5>Boys was apparently living a triple life.

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<v Speaker 1>So Frank lied.

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<v Speaker 3>Obviously, he lied pretty egregiously. He falsified documents. He led

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<v Speaker 3>US marshals and the CIA on an international goose chase,

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<v Speaker 3>and maybe that's why he never got charged for it.

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<v Speaker 3>That's pretty embarrassing to put on the record. But they

1:04:07.680 --> 1:04:09.920
<v Speaker 3>did still have that gun charge they'd picked him up

1:04:09.920 --> 1:04:13.160
<v Speaker 3>on to use his leverage, so they said a sentencing date,

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<v Speaker 3>but Frank didn't show up.

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<v Speaker 1>He was trying to skip the country again.

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<v Speaker 3>Remember back in nineteen seventy six he got all the

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<v Speaker 3>way to South Africa after skipping his sentencing date for

1:04:22.880 --> 1:04:25.960
<v Speaker 3>mail fraud. But this time he was picked up just

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<v Speaker 3>a few days after he missed court when a motel

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<v Speaker 3>clerk in Montvale, New Jersey recognized him. When he was

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<v Speaker 3>finally dragged in for sentencing, the government said they hoped

1:04:34.480 --> 1:04:35.920
<v Speaker 3>Frank was going to be able to help them in

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<v Speaker 3>the boy's case, but nothing he said was of any use.

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<v Speaker 3>Frank said he had no choice but to flee the

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<v Speaker 3>country and start a new life on a cattle ranch

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<v Speaker 3>in Australia with his wife because the government had renegged

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<v Speaker 3>on their deal to put him in witness protection. I

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<v Speaker 3>have to imagine there was some bickering back and forth

1:04:51.680 --> 1:04:54.840
<v Speaker 3>between an indignant Frank and an exasperated federal prosecutor, because

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<v Speaker 3>in the end, Judge H. Curtis Mener said, I have

1:04:58.000 --> 1:05:00.920
<v Speaker 3>neither the time nor the inclination to unravel all of

1:05:00.960 --> 1:05:04.080
<v Speaker 3>the mysteries in this case. However, they'd all ended up

1:05:04.080 --> 1:05:06.680
<v Speaker 3>in his courtroom. Whatever the convoluted backstory is here, this

1:05:06.720 --> 1:05:09.840
<v Speaker 3>is a sentencing or illegal possession of a firearm, and

1:05:09.880 --> 1:05:12.400
<v Speaker 3>that's really all the judge can do that day, so

1:05:12.680 --> 1:05:16.920
<v Speaker 3>he sentenced Frank to four years. Judge Meaner said Frank

1:05:17.080 --> 1:05:20.240
<v Speaker 3>was an explosive type of individual and that he was

1:05:20.680 --> 1:05:24.280
<v Speaker 3>dangerous and mentally sick, and he urged Frank to take

1:05:24.280 --> 1:05:26.840
<v Speaker 3>advantage of the opportunity to get psychiatric help while he

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<v Speaker 3>was in prison this time. And yes, I did say wife.

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<v Speaker 3>When I first started poking around trying to build my

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<v Speaker 3>biographical backstory, to sort of sketch out a skeleton of

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<v Speaker 3>this man's life, I found a new Jersey state record

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<v Speaker 3>for a marriage in August nineteen eighty one between a

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<v Speaker 3>Frank A. Sweeney and aDNA M. Madison in Bergen County.

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<v Speaker 3>There are other men named Frank Sweeney, obviously, but it

1:05:53.760 --> 1:05:56.400
<v Speaker 3>was a middle initial match and it's the right county,

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<v Speaker 3>and it was one of the rare months that Frank

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't in prison. But it didn't seem right, so I

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<v Speaker 3>set it aside. But this offhand mention at his sentencing

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<v Speaker 3>hearing about a wife, sent me back to it.

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<v Speaker 1>It is him.

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<v Speaker 3>After the FEDS picked him up at the end of

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<v Speaker 3>July nineteen eighty one on that gun charge. He was

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<v Speaker 3>released from custody. He was cooperating. He took them to

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<v Speaker 3>the bank to look at his fake evidence. All that,

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<v Speaker 3>and sometime that month he got married. I have no

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<v Speaker 3>idea how they met, or where she came from, or

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<v Speaker 3>what she thought she was going to get out of

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<v Speaker 3>any of this, or if she knew Frank was planning

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<v Speaker 3>on entering witness protection that month, or what on earth

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<v Speaker 3>she saw in this man. But I do know how

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<v Speaker 3>the marriage ended. Frank went back to prison that very

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<v Speaker 3>same year, so they didn't have much time together. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know where Diana was while Frank was away. But

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<v Speaker 3>by nineteen eighty five, according to a decision by the

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<v Speaker 3>Texas Court of Criminal Appeals, Dana was living in Texas

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<v Speaker 3>with her new boyfriend, Danny Lee Strong. They couldn't have

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<v Speaker 3>known each other very long before moving in together, because

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<v Speaker 3>Strong had only just gotten out of prison again for

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<v Speaker 3>another and a string of pretty run of the mill

1:07:04.600 --> 1:07:08.720
<v Speaker 3>robbery and fraud charges, and they didn't stay together long

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<v Speaker 3>before they were arrested for murdering a man Strong said

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<v Speaker 3>made a pass at Deanna. She was ultimately only convicted

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<v Speaker 3>of stealing the victim's car. Which they fled the scene

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<v Speaker 3>in but Strong got ninety nine years for the brutal

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<v Speaker 3>beating and asphyxiation of Robert Eugene Thomas. Frank doesn't really

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<v Speaker 3>factor into this story. He's in prison in another state

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<v Speaker 3>this whole time, but his name appears in a footnote

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<v Speaker 3>of an appeals court decision upholding Strong's conviction. Strong had

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<v Speaker 3>sent Frank a letter after finding out that Deanna was

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<v Speaker 3>planning to testify against him for the murder. I can't

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<v Speaker 3>imagine what you write in a letter to your girlfriend's

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<v Speaker 3>husband about a situation like this. But all that to say,

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<v Speaker 3>Frank really did have a wife that he planned to

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<v Speaker 3>start a new life with in Australia, but she ended

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<v Speaker 3>up watching her boyfriend choke a man to death in

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<v Speaker 3>an apartment in fort Worth instead. On January ninth, nineteen

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<v Speaker 3>eighty two, the UVA men's basketball team lost to the

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<v Speaker 3>tar Heels in a close game, sixty to sixty five

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<v Speaker 3>at UNC's Carmichael Arena. I'm not a basketball fan, and

1:08:22.320 --> 1:08:24.920
<v Speaker 3>I wasn't born then, but I guess it was an

1:08:24.920 --> 1:08:28.080
<v Speaker 3>exciting game. UNC had knocked Uva out of the Final

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<v Speaker 3>Four the year before, but Joseph Paul Franklin, an avowed

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<v Speaker 3>neo Nazi who'd recently been handed his first couple of

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<v Speaker 3>life sentences for two of his many murders, didn't care

1:08:37.760 --> 1:08:40.760
<v Speaker 3>much for basketball. He was in the wreck room at

1:08:40.800 --> 1:08:43.680
<v Speaker 3>the Medical Center for Federal Prisoners in Springfield, Missouri, and

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<v Speaker 3>he was trying to watch American bandstand. According to frank

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<v Speaker 3>whose time at the Springfield prison overlapped with Franklins for

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<v Speaker 3>a few weeks in nineteen eighty one until Franklin's transfer

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<v Speaker 3>at the end of January nineteen eighty two, the serial

1:08:56.000 --> 1:08:59.880
<v Speaker 3>killer became enraged when a black prison guard changed the channel.

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<v Speaker 3>Later that year, Joseph Paul Franklin was back in court.

1:09:04.600 --> 1:09:07.799
<v Speaker 3>He'd spent years traveling the country, robbing banks and murdering

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<v Speaker 3>young black men and interracial couples, so it would take

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<v Speaker 3>years to sort out what.

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<v Speaker 1>To do with him.

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<v Speaker 3>This time, he was on trial for the unsuccessful assassination

1:09:15.840 --> 1:09:19.840
<v Speaker 3>attempt on civil rights activist Vernon Jordan. On May twenty ninth,

1:09:19.880 --> 1:09:22.360
<v Speaker 3>nineteen eighty the Fort Wayne, Indiana chapter of the National

1:09:22.479 --> 1:09:24.439
<v Speaker 3>Urban League was hosting a banquet in honor of a

1:09:24.560 --> 1:09:27.960
<v Speaker 3>visit from National Urban League President Vernin Jordan. When a

1:09:28.040 --> 1:09:30.439
<v Speaker 3>volunteer dropped him off at his hotel. Later that evening,

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<v Speaker 3>a single bullet from a thirty six rifle tore through

1:09:33.479 --> 1:09:38.040
<v Speaker 3>his back. He survived, but it's hard to build a

1:09:38.080 --> 1:09:43.480
<v Speaker 3>case against a drifter sniper. Nobody saw him. The investigators

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<v Speaker 3>had some handwriting analysis on a motel registration card, testimony

1:09:47.680 --> 1:09:50.040
<v Speaker 3>from a grocery store clerk who identified Franklin as a

1:09:50.040 --> 1:09:52.920
<v Speaker 3>man he'd had a strange conversation with, and a general

1:09:52.960 --> 1:09:55.800
<v Speaker 3>idea that the crime fit Franklin's pattern, but it was

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<v Speaker 3>a bit thin.

1:09:57.960 --> 1:10:01.479
<v Speaker 1>And then came frank Ohank loves to talk, he loves

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<v Speaker 1>to be helpful.

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<v Speaker 3>He's still in prison on that gun charge, but he

1:10:05.560 --> 1:10:07.960
<v Speaker 3>told federal authorities that in the brief couple of weeks

1:10:07.960 --> 1:10:10.200
<v Speaker 3>he'd been on the same cell block as Franklin. They

1:10:10.320 --> 1:10:12.920
<v Speaker 3>chatted a few times, and Franklin had confessed to him

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<v Speaker 3>on several occasions about shooting Vernon Jordan. On the stand,

1:10:18.439 --> 1:10:20.880
<v Speaker 3>frank testified about that evening in January when the guard

1:10:20.920 --> 1:10:23.920
<v Speaker 3>changed the channel to the basketball game, and it's a

1:10:23.960 --> 1:10:26.680
<v Speaker 3>pretty good detail. Frank was very specific that it was

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<v Speaker 3>a uva unc game that he couldn't recall the date

1:10:30.479 --> 1:10:32.320
<v Speaker 3>they were only on that cell block together for a

1:10:32.360 --> 1:10:35.200
<v Speaker 3>few weeks, and there was in fact a Uva unc

1:10:35.400 --> 1:10:38.040
<v Speaker 3>basketball game during that time period that would have.

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<v Speaker 1>Been on television.

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<v Speaker 3>He testified that Franklin was furious about the incident and

1:10:42.479 --> 1:10:45.800
<v Speaker 3>spent days fuming about it. The two inmates were walking

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<v Speaker 3>together in the exercise area a few days later when

1:10:48.280 --> 1:10:51.040
<v Speaker 3>Franklin spotted that same guard again and turned to frank

1:10:51.080 --> 1:10:53.559
<v Speaker 3>and said, I'd like to blow him away, like I

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<v Speaker 3>shot that and were big wig in Indiana. Frank says

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<v Speaker 3>he also lamented that Jordan just wouldn't die after being shot,

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<v Speaker 3>and that he was sorry I didn't shoot that white

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<v Speaker 3>slut first, referring to the white woman who'd given Jordan

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<v Speaker 3>a ride that night. Frank was one of three jail

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<v Speaker 3>house informants the government put on during that trial, all

1:11:14.360 --> 1:11:16.439
<v Speaker 3>men who'd been in jail with Franklin, and all of

1:11:16.439 --> 1:11:18.840
<v Speaker 3>whom said Franklin had admitted to various aspects of the

1:11:18.840 --> 1:11:23.920
<v Speaker 3>crime and casual conversation. Josephaul Franklin was actually acquitted at

1:11:23.920 --> 1:11:27.759
<v Speaker 3>that federal trial. Jurors said they believed Franklin shot Jordan,

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<v Speaker 3>but they were hung up on the wording of the indictment,

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<v Speaker 3>which specifically charged him with the shooting as a violation

1:11:32.800 --> 1:11:36.400
<v Speaker 3>of Jordan's civil rights. Years later, on death row for

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<v Speaker 3>a variety of other murders, Franklin did confess to shooting

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<v Speaker 3>Vernon Jordan when the trial was over, though jurors who

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<v Speaker 3>spoke to the press said they'd only believed one of

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<v Speaker 3>the three jailhouse informants who testified frank On cross examination,

1:11:51.880 --> 1:11:54.200
<v Speaker 3>frank Sweeney seemed surprised to learn that the other two

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<v Speaker 3>men had been paid thousands of dollars for their cooperation.

1:11:57.800 --> 1:12:01.400
<v Speaker 3>He wasn't getting paid, but he was upset. He didn't

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<v Speaker 3>need the money. He'd inherited a quarter a million dollars,

1:12:04.600 --> 1:12:07.080
<v Speaker 3>which would be about a million dollars today when his

1:12:07.160 --> 1:12:12.680
<v Speaker 3>parents died. All he wanted was witness protection, then a

1:12:12.720 --> 1:12:16.720
<v Speaker 3>positive letter to the New Jersey Parole Board. Just like

1:12:16.720 --> 1:12:19.639
<v Speaker 3>in the boy's case, he very conveniently had some information

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<v Speaker 3>the government wanted, and all he wanted in return was

1:12:22.840 --> 1:12:29.200
<v Speaker 3>witness protection. And this time he got it, but he

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<v Speaker 3>didn't get to keep it. In nineteen eighty four, frank

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<v Speaker 3>filed a lawsuit against the warden of the Alabama prison

1:12:34.920 --> 1:12:38.120
<v Speaker 3>where he was still serving his sentence on that gun charge.

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<v Speaker 3>He said he was not receiving the protection afforded to

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<v Speaker 3>him as a protected witness. The warden's response to the

1:12:44.040 --> 1:12:47.559
<v Speaker 3>suit was that Frank would not stop telling people that

1:12:47.600 --> 1:12:49.920
<v Speaker 3>he was a protected witness, which was causing a lot

1:12:49.920 --> 1:12:54.679
<v Speaker 3>of problems. You're not supposed to do that in court.

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<v Speaker 3>The warden's executive assistant said that the prison was considering

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<v Speaker 3>contacting in the Office of Enforcement Operations, the division of

1:13:00.840 --> 1:13:04.519
<v Speaker 3>the DOJ that administers the Witness Security program, to recommend

1:13:04.560 --> 1:13:07.200
<v Speaker 3>his removal from the program because they believed he was

1:13:07.240 --> 1:13:11.559
<v Speaker 3>intentionally causing problems by talking about this constantly. And it

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<v Speaker 3>seems he was ultimately removed from the Witness Security program

1:13:14.360 --> 1:13:18.040
<v Speaker 3>around this time, and maybe that had something to do

1:13:18.120 --> 1:13:21.320
<v Speaker 3>with his decision to testify on behalf of Anthony Spalotro,

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<v Speaker 3>the hot headed Chicago mobster who handled the family's business.

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<v Speaker 1>In Las Vegas.

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<v Speaker 3>It couldn't have been an attempt to get back in

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<v Speaker 3>the program. He was testifying for the defense, but maybe

1:13:32.800 --> 1:13:35.759
<v Speaker 3>he was just spiite. He wanted to get somebody else

1:13:36.240 --> 1:13:41.200
<v Speaker 3>kicked out of the program. In nineteen eighty three, when

1:13:41.240 --> 1:13:44.040
<v Speaker 3>he was still in prison and still considered a protected witness.

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<v Speaker 3>He briefly shared a cell with another guy in the program.

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<v Speaker 3>Frank Kulatta was a mobster. He was a member of

1:13:51.800 --> 1:13:55.240
<v Speaker 3>Tony Spalotro's Hole in the Wall gang. If you've seen

1:13:55.280 --> 1:14:00.000
<v Speaker 3>the nineteen ninety five Scorsese movie Casino, it's that quite literally.

1:14:00.560 --> 1:14:03.160
<v Speaker 3>Frank Marino, the character played by the guy who played

1:14:03.200 --> 1:14:06.439
<v Speaker 3>Phil Leotardo on The Sopranos, is supposed to be Frank Kulatta.

1:14:07.200 --> 1:14:10.519
<v Speaker 3>Joe Peshi's character, Nikki Sentorro, is based on Tony Spilotro.

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<v Speaker 3>Just watch the movie. It's all very complicated, and our

1:14:14.280 --> 1:14:17.320
<v Speaker 3>friend Frank Sweeney had nothing to do with it. But

1:14:17.360 --> 1:14:20.320
<v Speaker 3>in nineteen eighty three, the real life Frank Kulata was

1:14:20.360 --> 1:14:23.000
<v Speaker 3>sharing a cell with Frank Sweeney because they had both

1:14:23.000 --> 1:14:26.760
<v Speaker 3>turned state's witness against very dangerous men. Frank Sweeney had

1:14:26.760 --> 1:14:29.760
<v Speaker 3>just testified against a serial killer and Frank Kulatta had

1:14:29.760 --> 1:14:32.439
<v Speaker 3>turned on Spilotro after the FBI played him a recording

1:14:32.479 --> 1:14:37.080
<v Speaker 3>of his friend talking about having him killed. When Anthony

1:14:37.080 --> 1:14:40.040
<v Speaker 3>Spilotro went on trial in nineteen eighty six, Frank Kulatta

1:14:40.120 --> 1:14:42.880
<v Speaker 3>was out of prison and in the program, and he

1:14:42.960 --> 1:14:47.559
<v Speaker 3>was the government's star witness against Spilotro. Frank Sweeney was

1:14:47.600 --> 1:14:49.679
<v Speaker 3>finally out of prison again in home in New Jersey

1:14:49.680 --> 1:14:51.599
<v Speaker 3>when he read in the paper that Kulata was going

1:14:51.600 --> 1:14:55.600
<v Speaker 3>to be testifying. According to Frank, he felt compelled to

1:14:55.640 --> 1:14:58.760
<v Speaker 3>contact Spilotro's defense attorney because when they were cell mates,

1:14:59.240 --> 1:15:04.000
<v Speaker 3>Kulata would af in brag about committing perjury. So the

1:15:04.040 --> 1:15:06.680
<v Speaker 3>defense flew Frank out to Las Vegas and put him

1:15:06.680 --> 1:15:10.160
<v Speaker 3>on the stand. He claimed that after one of Colada's

1:15:10.160 --> 1:15:12.519
<v Speaker 3>appearances in court back in nineteen eighty three, he came

1:15:12.560 --> 1:15:15.400
<v Speaker 3>back to their shared cell and bragged, Frankie, I just

1:15:15.439 --> 1:15:18.200
<v Speaker 3>put another one away. You've heard of the traveling circus.

1:15:18.680 --> 1:15:24.439
<v Speaker 3>I'm the original traveling perjurer. On cross examination, Frank Sweeney

1:15:24.520 --> 1:15:27.080
<v Speaker 3>admitted that when he'd been in the witness protection program,

1:15:27.479 --> 1:15:31.480
<v Speaker 3>he had on several occasions threatened and even faked suicide

1:15:31.520 --> 1:15:35.280
<v Speaker 3>attempts to get what he wanted out of federal prosecutors.

1:15:35.840 --> 1:15:37.920
<v Speaker 3>I wish I had more information on that. That is

1:15:38.200 --> 1:15:41.599
<v Speaker 3>incredibly strange behavior, and it does actually happen again later

1:15:43.520 --> 1:15:45.679
<v Speaker 3>in the end, though his testimony in that mob trial

1:15:45.800 --> 1:15:48.880
<v Speaker 3>is just a strange little footnote. His third brush with

1:15:48.920 --> 1:15:53.200
<v Speaker 3>the witness protection program. His testimony didn't matter much. I

1:15:53.240 --> 1:15:56.160
<v Speaker 3>don't think anyone believed it, and the case ended in

1:15:56.160 --> 1:15:59.879
<v Speaker 3>a mistrial over allegations of jury tampering, and Anthony Spilotro

1:16:00.200 --> 1:16:03.839
<v Speaker 3>went missing before they could retry the case. The mobster

1:16:03.920 --> 1:16:06.120
<v Speaker 3>and his brother were later found buried in a cornfield

1:16:06.120 --> 1:16:10.280
<v Speaker 3>in Indiana. Frank Kulatta stayed in the witness protection program

1:16:10.320 --> 1:16:13.000
<v Speaker 3>for years, and Scorsese hired him as an onset adviser

1:16:13.000 --> 1:16:16.799
<v Speaker 3>when he shot Casino. Klata died of COVID in twenty twenty,

1:16:18.360 --> 1:16:21.400
<v Speaker 3>and in nineteen eighty nine, Frank went back to prison

1:16:21.479 --> 1:16:22.280
<v Speaker 3>for mail fraud.

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<v Speaker 1>Again. The court record is too old.

1:16:26.400 --> 1:16:28.720
<v Speaker 3>To get any documents without haggling with an archivist, but

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<v Speaker 3>the docket sheet does say that, in addition to another

1:16:31.760 --> 1:16:34.840
<v Speaker 3>fifty seven months in prison, the judge also banned Frank

1:16:34.880 --> 1:16:39.240
<v Speaker 3>from ever offering anything for sale by mail. So at

1:16:39.240 --> 1:16:41.519
<v Speaker 3>first I assumed he was pulling the same scam he

1:16:41.600 --> 1:16:44.360
<v Speaker 3>ran in nineteen seventy six, where he placed ads for

1:16:44.400 --> 1:16:46.760
<v Speaker 3>guns he didn't actually have and then ghosted would be

1:16:46.760 --> 1:16:50.559
<v Speaker 3>buyers after they sent him the money. But it's much

1:16:50.600 --> 1:16:53.880
<v Speaker 3>weirder than that. I wish it was guns. It wasn't guns.

1:16:53.880 --> 1:16:57.640
<v Speaker 3>This time, he was running what one journalist called.

1:16:57.479 --> 1:16:59.800
<v Speaker 4>A cat scam.

1:17:00.400 --> 1:17:03.640
<v Speaker 3>He'd cut the tails off regular house cats and then

1:17:03.760 --> 1:17:07.920
<v Speaker 3>run ads offering them as exotic purebred cats for three

1:17:08.040 --> 1:17:12.120
<v Speaker 3>hundred dollars. If he really was as independently wealthy off

1:17:12.160 --> 1:17:15.320
<v Speaker 3>his inheritance as he claimed, did he really need three

1:17:15.400 --> 1:17:19.200
<v Speaker 3>hundred dollars for a mutilated cat? Maybe he's just addicted

1:17:19.200 --> 1:17:23.599
<v Speaker 3>to mail fraud. As for the cats, one of the

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<v Speaker 3>earliest mentions I could find of Frank in the newspaper

1:17:26.280 --> 1:17:30.520
<v Speaker 3>archives was a nineteen fifty eight article about the embalmed

1:17:30.640 --> 1:17:34.479
<v Speaker 3>cat he got for his fifteenth birthday. He was looking

1:17:34.520 --> 1:17:37.280
<v Speaker 3>forward to dissecting it and adding it to his collection

1:17:37.320 --> 1:17:41.599
<v Speaker 3>of oddities that already included a cat skeleton. So I

1:17:41.640 --> 1:17:44.840
<v Speaker 3>hope all his fraudulent cats found happy homes, even if

1:17:44.840 --> 1:17:49.120
<v Speaker 3>their buyers were unhappy about losing three hundred dollars. But

1:17:49.160 --> 1:17:51.400
<v Speaker 3>it's in an appeals court decision related to a parole

1:17:51.520 --> 1:17:53.960
<v Speaker 3>violation in this second mail fraud case where we find

1:17:54.000 --> 1:17:57.360
<v Speaker 3>the details of a campaign of terror against his neighbors

1:17:57.360 --> 1:18:00.400
<v Speaker 3>that foreshadows the events at the end of this long,

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<v Speaker 3>strange tale. He was paroled in nineteen ninety two after

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<v Speaker 3>serving about half of this sentence, and he was on

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<v Speaker 3>probation for three years. Just days before that three year

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<v Speaker 3>period ran out, he was charged with a probation violation.

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<v Speaker 3>He'd been convicted in New Jersey of sending obscene materials

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<v Speaker 3>through the mail to a minor. I know, I know,

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<v Speaker 3>this show is starting to feel like a tour of

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<v Speaker 3>America's weirdest sex crime guys. But to be honest, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't think there was anything sexual in his motivation for

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<v Speaker 3>sending pornomags to a nine year old. I know that

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't sound possible. Bear with me, But after he got

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<v Speaker 3>out of prison, he's living in an apartment back in

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<v Speaker 3>his hometown of Tenafly, New Jersey. A family of Russian

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<v Speaker 3>immigrants moves into the apartment next door. They have children.

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<v Speaker 3>Children are noisy. Frank says he asked them to keep

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<v Speaker 3>it down, but the noise continued. In what these Second

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<v Speaker 3>Circuit Court of Appeals would later call a rather bizarre

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<v Speaker 3>set of circum stances, he decided to get back at

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<v Speaker 3>these noisy children by engaging in a lengthy harassment campaign

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<v Speaker 3>against the entire family. At least twice, he shut off

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<v Speaker 3>their electricity on multiple occasions, he filled the lock on

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<v Speaker 3>their front door with staples, making it impossible to open.

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<v Speaker 3>He had the family's mail forwarded to des Moines, Iowa.

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<v Speaker 3>The father of these noisy children was a doctor. One

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<v Speaker 3>of his colleagues received a letter purporting to be from

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<v Speaker 3>an aid's charity informing the recipient that the doctor, the

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<v Speaker 3>father of those noisy children, had tested positive for HIV.

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<v Speaker 3>And along that same line of thinking, he also sent

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<v Speaker 3>a letter to the children's school informing them that the

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<v Speaker 3>nine year old boy had been exposed to HIV by

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<v Speaker 3>his father. And he sent letters to the Jewish community

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<v Speaker 3>center where the family remembers, informing them that the entire

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<v Speaker 3>family had been exposed to the virus. Remember this is

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen ninety three. Telling people that this doctor has HIV

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<v Speaker 3>could ruin his career. The school could call social services

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<v Speaker 3>in the probably wouldn't be welcome in the sauna at

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<v Speaker 3>the community center if people believed this. And in what

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<v Speaker 3>would be his ultimate downfall here, he signed their nine

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<v Speaker 3>year old son up for catalogs that sold pornographic materials.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems like he believed that the.

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<v Speaker 3>Child's father would get the mail, which apparently wasn't going

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<v Speaker 3>to Iowa anymore see the catalog believe his son had

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<v Speaker 3>signed up for it and would punish the boy, and

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<v Speaker 3>if the boy was grounded, he wouldn't be so noisy.

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<v Speaker 3>But it backfired and Frank was discovered as the culprit.

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<v Speaker 3>Police searched his apartment and found the typewriter he'd used

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<v Speaker 3>to write all the letters, and he quickly confessed. He

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<v Speaker 3>got four months in jail in New Jersey for sending

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<v Speaker 3>him scene materials to a child, but the parole violation

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<v Speaker 3>landed him back in federal prison for another year. And

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<v Speaker 3>maybe this trip back to prison gave him a chance

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<v Speaker 3>to test out his own advice. You see, between getting

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<v Speaker 3>out in nineteen ninety two and going back in nineteen

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<v Speaker 3>ninety five, Frank was profiled in the New York Time.

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<v Speaker 3>The journalist Charles Strum actually used to write for The

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<v Speaker 3>Bergen Record, the local paper Frank used to end up

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<v Speaker 3>in every time he got arrested in the sixties. But

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<v Speaker 3>Strum didn't come home from college and started the Record

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<v Speaker 3>until after Frank's arms stand off in the front yard,

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<v Speaker 3>and they weren't talking about their shared hometown. They were

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<v Speaker 3>talking about Frank's new consulting business in nineteen ninety four,

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<v Speaker 3>Frank put a classified ad in USA Today that read.

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<v Speaker 8>Go into federal prison for the first time, we will

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<v Speaker 8>tell you what to expect and how to survive. All

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<v Speaker 8>consultants are graduates of the federal prison system. Frank aysweeneyan Associates,

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<v Speaker 8>Box fifteen Demarest, New Jersey zero seven six two seven.

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<v Speaker 3>Frank told Strum that the idea came to him while

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<v Speaker 3>he was reading the paper one morning in September nineteen

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<v Speaker 3>ninety three. Lawrence Powell, one of the LA police officers

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<v Speaker 3>convicted for his role in the beating of Rodney King,

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<v Speaker 3>was quoted in the paper as being terrified at the

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<v Speaker 3>prospect of going to prison. Strum rights that Frank told him.

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<v Speaker 9>I thought to myself, my god, there's probably a lot

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<v Speaker 9>of people go into prison who's never been in jail before,

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<v Speaker 9>primarily white collar criminals, and they're probably terrified too, that

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<v Speaker 9>just as frightened as he is. So I thought maybe

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<v Speaker 9>I could use my misfortune to help people and maybe

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<v Speaker 9>make a profit doing it.

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<v Speaker 3>The article says Frank claims to have twenty seven clients

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<v Speaker 3>after just a few months of running his new consulting business,

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<v Speaker 3>though the author also prints without question Frank's claim that

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<v Speaker 3>he left high school in the eleventh grade because he

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<v Speaker 3>was bored with it, not because he was in a

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<v Speaker 3>youth correctional facility for bank robbery. In the article, Strum

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<v Speaker 3>writes out all of Frank's crimes and convictions, but that

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen sixty two bank robbery is missing. But again, they

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<v Speaker 3>didn't have the Internet then. Of his criminal record, Frank

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<v Speaker 3>told the reporter, I remember it was Nietzsche who wrote

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<v Speaker 3>the crime is not in the act, but in the

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<v Speaker 3>stupidity of being caught. I was caught and stupid, and

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<v Speaker 3>he'd get caught a few more times in the coming years,

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<v Speaker 3>but he stays humble. That Nietzsche quote is still his

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<v Speaker 3>favorite to this day. According to his Facebook profile, he

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<v Speaker 3>had to take a break from his new consulting career

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<v Speaker 3>when he went away for a year in nineteen ninety five,

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<v Speaker 3>but he picked right back up when he got out.

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<v Speaker 3>A nineteen ninety seven Newsweek article about his business claims

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<v Speaker 3>he was up to eighty seven clients, now with white

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<v Speaker 3>collar criminals paying Frank one thousand dollars for assistance and

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<v Speaker 3>getting favorable placement. So not only did Frank promise that

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<v Speaker 3>he could advise you about the differences in food facilities

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<v Speaker 3>and culture at different federal prisons. He claimed he had

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<v Speaker 3>connections and could influence your placement. A Bureau of Prison

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<v Speaker 3>spokesman denied Frank had any ability to arrange transfers or

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<v Speaker 3>promise placements at specific facilities, but at least one client

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<v Speaker 3>told the reporter that prison officials had denied his request

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<v Speaker 3>for a transfer during a five year sentence for embezzlement,

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<v Speaker 3>but after he wrote Frank and included a check for

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<v Speaker 3>one thousand dollars, his transfer came through. Now, promising these

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<v Speaker 3>transfers seems like it would put Frank back in mail

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<v Speaker 3>fraud territory. But if he had stopped short of fraud,

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<v Speaker 3>this isn't actually a terrible way for a guy like

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<v Speaker 3>Frank to make a living. He really had been in

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<v Speaker 3>a significant number of our nation's federal prisons. He'd been

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<v Speaker 3>in facilities all over the country spanning decades. He's in

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<v Speaker 3>a great position to offer advice about how to get

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<v Speaker 3>through your sentence as smoothly as possible. So if he'd

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<v Speaker 3>stuck to lifestyle advice for the incarcerated, I might say

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<v Speaker 3>that this could have been a success story for Frank.

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<v Speaker 3>There was another article about his consulting business in nineteen

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<v Speaker 3>ninety eight, but then he kind of disappears.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure what he was up to.

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<v Speaker 3>He pops up briefly in a couple of articles in

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<v Speaker 3>two thousand and two thousand and one, an old prison

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<v Speaker 3>friend of his called him from a jail in Reno

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<v Speaker 3>to ask for help exposing an alleged smuggling ring run

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<v Speaker 3>by one of the guards out there. In Nevada, David

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<v Speaker 3>Wayne is described as one of the most dangerous inmates

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<v Speaker 3>in a state prison system after a variety of escape

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<v Speaker 3>attempts and prison riots involving Wayne holding hostages, and in

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<v Speaker 3>two thousand he wanted Frank's help leveraging this information about

1:25:08.320 --> 1:25:12.519
<v Speaker 3>a corrupt guard to get a better placement. So friend

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<v Speaker 3>or client hard to say, but the guard did end

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<v Speaker 3>up charged with smuggling a handcuff key to an inmate,

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<v Speaker 3>and Frank spent about a year advocating for Wayne's transfer,

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<v Speaker 3>considering he had once held two prison nurses hostage for

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<v Speaker 3>twelve hours by rigging up a Rube Goldberg style contraption

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<v Speaker 3>that would stab the women's eyes out with scalpels if

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<v Speaker 3>anyone opened the door and had successfully escaped at least once.

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<v Speaker 3>A low security placement for David Wayne was out of

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<v Speaker 3>the question, But then quiet Frank moved out to Idaho.

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<v Speaker 1>And stayed out of the paper.

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<v Speaker 3>He's not a very good driver, so I know he

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<v Speaker 3>moved to Ada County, Idaho around two thousand and one,

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<v Speaker 3>because that's when he started getting a lot of traffic

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<v Speaker 3>tickets there. In two thousand and eight, he was charged

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<v Speaker 3>with battery and convicted, but he only served five days

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<v Speaker 3>in jail and successfully completed his court ordered anger management class.

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<v Speaker 3>The docket indicates the victim, a woman who appears to

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<v Speaker 3>be a nursing assistant in the Boise area, got a

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<v Speaker 3>restraining order. But the Frank Sweeney, who tried to drop

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<v Speaker 3>a bank and fought in the Bush War and had

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<v Speaker 3>a mob boss fly him to Vegas and bragged about

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<v Speaker 3>being able to influence prison officials, that Frank seems to

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<v Speaker 3>be gone. He's just an old man living in Boise

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<v Speaker 3>until twenty fifteen. In December of twenty fifteen, Frank went

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<v Speaker 3>to the post office near his home in Garden City, Idaho.

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<v Speaker 3>He parked his truck in one of the accessible parking

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<v Speaker 3>spots out front. A woman saw him get out of

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<v Speaker 3>his car, which did not have a placard indicating he

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<v Speaker 3>was supposed to be parked there, said something to him.

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<v Speaker 3>We don't know exactly what she said. Now, me personally,

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<v Speaker 3>I probably wouldn't have said anything. For the most part,

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<v Speaker 3>it's not worth it. It's not your business. There are

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<v Speaker 3>plenty of people who are not visibly disabled who really

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<v Speaker 3>do need.

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<v Speaker 1>Those parking spots.

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<v Speaker 3>And Frank was in his seventies at this point, so

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<v Speaker 3>even if he didn't have a state issued parking placard,

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<v Speaker 3>he's old.

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<v Speaker 1>Just leave him alone.

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<v Speaker 3>But she made a comment about it, and the situation

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<v Speaker 3>escalated pretty seriously. Court documents only say that they had

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<v Speaker 3>a verbal altercation, so at least she didn't get stabbed,

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<v Speaker 3>which he's done at least twice to people who offended him.

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<v Speaker 3>But whatever she said, and for whatever reasons she chose

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<v Speaker 3>to say it, she didn't deserve what happened next. The

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<v Speaker 3>victims in this case are referred to only by their

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<v Speaker 3>initials in the court record for obvious reasons. But it

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<v Speaker 3>can be tricky to keep track of people with just

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<v Speaker 3>a letter, so I've given them all fake names just

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<v Speaker 3>to make this a little easier. We'll call the woman

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<v Speaker 3>from the park Ellen, her husband will be Sam, and

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<v Speaker 3>their adult daughters will be Kayla and Lucy. Again, it

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<v Speaker 3>is possible to figure out who these people are, but

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<v Speaker 3>please don't.

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<v Speaker 1>They've been through enough.

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<v Speaker 3>Two weeks after that heated exchange in the post office

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<v Speaker 3>parking lot, the postcard started. The probation office in Boise

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<v Speaker 3>got the first one. Ellen's adult daughter, Kayla, was at

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<v Speaker 3>the time on probation for a misdemeanor dui charge. The

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<v Speaker 3>letter writer claimed that he had just the night before

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<v Speaker 3>been in the car with Kayla and she was so

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<v Speaker 3>drunk that he had to jump out at a red

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<v Speaker 3>light for his own safety. Ellen's husband, Sam, received a

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<v Speaker 3>postcard at his dental office the same day informing him

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<v Speaker 3>that his wife had been in the post office the

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<v Speaker 3>week before and she was so drunk that she was

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<v Speaker 3>falling down. The letter, though very brief, contained a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of really specific personal information, the fact that the couple

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<v Speaker 3>had very recently purchased a new home, including the name

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<v Speaker 3>of the suburb where they now lived, the city where

1:29:00.640 --> 1:29:03.200
<v Speaker 3>their other adult daughter lived, the names of both of

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<v Speaker 3>their daughters, and information about Kayla's arrest. That year, Ellen

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<v Speaker 3>received a third postcard that week addressed to her at home.

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<v Speaker 3>This one contained her social Security number and an allegation

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<v Speaker 3>that her daughter Lucy, was engaged in acts of prostitution

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<v Speaker 3>at her place of work, which was named after the

1:29:21.960 --> 1:29:24.799
<v Speaker 3>family received the first postcards. In December of twenty fifteen,

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<v Speaker 3>they met with detectives at the Aida County Sheriff's office

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<v Speaker 3>in Boise, and despite investigator's best efforts, the family would

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<v Speaker 3>continue to receive increasingly bizarre and frightening postcards for three

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<v Speaker 3>full years. Their neighbors and nearby schools received postcards that

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<v Speaker 3>appeared to be from the State Sex Offender Registry informing

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<v Speaker 3>them that Sam was a sex offender, specifically that he

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<v Speaker 3>had sodomized a nine year old boy in nineteen seventy eight.

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<v Speaker 3>It probably goes without saying, but I will say it anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>That is not true.

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<v Speaker 3>But it does kind of remind you of what Frank

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<v Speaker 3>died to that doctor in nineteen ninety three, doesn't it,

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<v Speaker 3>adding to the victim's distress. Sam passed away unexpectedly in

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<v Speaker 3>January of twenty sixteen, just a few weeks after all

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<v Speaker 3>this started, and obviously Frank knew one of his victims

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<v Speaker 3>was dead. Some of the letters sent to the man's

1:30:16.840 --> 1:30:19.680
<v Speaker 3>daughters taunted and blamed them for driving their father into

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<v Speaker 3>an early grave, But oddly, some of the letters pretended otherwise.

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<v Speaker 3>While most of the postcards were signed Carson Wells, the

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<v Speaker 3>name of Woody Harrelson's character in the movie No Country

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<v Speaker 3>for Old Men, some were signed with the names of

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<v Speaker 3>her own children. Ellen received one of those just two

1:30:36.920 --> 1:30:39.920
<v Speaker 3>months after her husband's death, purporting to be from her

1:30:39.960 --> 1:30:43.360
<v Speaker 3>daughter Lucy, who lived out of state. It said, dear Mommy,

1:30:43.680 --> 1:30:45.640
<v Speaker 3>my blood test just came back and yes, I am

1:30:45.760 --> 1:30:48.840
<v Speaker 3>HIV positive. I'm sure I was infected by one of

1:30:48.880 --> 1:30:52.440
<v Speaker 3>the two crips with whom I was having an affair with. Regrettably,

1:30:52.479 --> 1:30:54.080
<v Speaker 3>I will never be able to give you and Daddy

1:30:54.120 --> 1:30:57.519
<v Speaker 3>the grandchildren you so desired. But we know now that

1:30:57.560 --> 1:31:00.200
<v Speaker 3>Daddy is a pedophile. He may have harmed the grand

1:31:00.800 --> 1:31:04.280
<v Speaker 3>has he been released from jail. And again, this is

1:31:04.320 --> 1:31:07.840
<v Speaker 3>a woman who just lost her husband. She knows this

1:31:07.880 --> 1:31:11.040
<v Speaker 3>postcard isn't from her adult daughter. Even if she hadn't

1:31:11.040 --> 1:31:14.320
<v Speaker 3>already gotten a dozen other bizarre postcards, she would know

1:31:14.439 --> 1:31:17.679
<v Speaker 3>that no one's writing their mother a postcard on a typewriter.

1:31:17.760 --> 1:31:22.240
<v Speaker 3>It's not nineteen thirty two, and again the recently deceased

1:31:22.240 --> 1:31:26.000
<v Speaker 3>man was not a pedophile, nor was he in jail.

1:31:27.240 --> 1:31:31.720
<v Speaker 3>He had just been buried by his family. Ellen and

1:31:31.720 --> 1:31:35.760
<v Speaker 3>both of her daughters continued getting postcards even after Ellen moved,

1:31:36.439 --> 1:31:38.799
<v Speaker 3>and Frank was also sending the postcards to other people

1:31:38.880 --> 1:31:42.240
<v Speaker 3>pretending to be members of the family. The Idaho Black

1:31:42.280 --> 1:31:45.040
<v Speaker 3>History Museum received one signed with Ellen's name, address, and

1:31:45.080 --> 1:31:48.280
<v Speaker 3>phone number that was so laden with racial slurs that

1:31:48.320 --> 1:31:50.840
<v Speaker 3>you can barely tell what it's supposed to be trying

1:31:50.840 --> 1:31:55.000
<v Speaker 3>to say. Lucy's boss received one advising him that his

1:31:55.040 --> 1:32:01.080
<v Speaker 3>employee was having rectal intercourse with black men, although described

1:32:01.080 --> 1:32:06.080
<v Speaker 3>that in more vivid terms. Now, for as strange as

1:32:06.080 --> 1:32:08.400
<v Speaker 3>this man's life has been, you'd be forgiven if he

1:32:08.479 --> 1:32:12.240
<v Speaker 3>forgot where we started. Frank is a Nazi. He was

1:32:12.280 --> 1:32:14.559
<v Speaker 3>a member of the American Nazi Party, and he fought

1:32:14.560 --> 1:32:17.760
<v Speaker 3>as a Rhodesian mercenary. He's not just a guy who

1:32:17.840 --> 1:32:21.280
<v Speaker 3>loves doing mail fraud and hates his neighbors. He's very racist,

1:32:22.240 --> 1:32:24.880
<v Speaker 3>and a lot of these postcards fixated on the idea

1:32:24.960 --> 1:32:29.520
<v Speaker 3>that Ellen's daughters were engaged in interracial relationships, very graphically

1:32:29.560 --> 1:32:33.400
<v Speaker 3>and racistly describing specific sex acts that they were, in

1:32:33.479 --> 1:32:38.000
<v Speaker 3>his mind having with black partners, and he was particularly

1:32:38.120 --> 1:32:40.760
<v Speaker 3>upset that Ellen, a Latina, had married a white man.

1:32:41.880 --> 1:32:44.519
<v Speaker 3>He called her racial slurs and wrote to her daughters

1:32:44.560 --> 1:32:48.920
<v Speaker 3>calling them mongrels. It seems the only time he wasn't

1:32:48.920 --> 1:32:50.960
<v Speaker 3>sending postcards was when he was out of the country.

1:32:51.840 --> 1:32:56.360
<v Speaker 3>You see, he might have another wife. It's not entirely clear,

1:32:57.400 --> 1:32:59.719
<v Speaker 3>but several times a year Frank would travel to Effort,

1:33:00.080 --> 1:33:02.719
<v Speaker 3>the capital of the German state of Taringia in central Germany,

1:33:03.280 --> 1:33:05.559
<v Speaker 3>to visit a woman he's known for a very long time,

1:33:07.080 --> 1:33:10.160
<v Speaker 3>Uta Schernig, who performs semi professionally as a belly dancer

1:33:10.200 --> 1:33:14.000
<v Speaker 3>under the name Madame Chamila, has on several occasions referred

1:33:14.040 --> 1:33:17.800
<v Speaker 3>to Frank as her husband. This may be literal, it

1:33:17.800 --> 1:33:21.400
<v Speaker 3>may be a cheeky little joke. My German is not

1:33:21.600 --> 1:33:25.600
<v Speaker 3>good enough to really read tone, and it may just

1:33:25.640 --> 1:33:27.479
<v Speaker 3>be that they've been in a relationship for so long

1:33:27.520 --> 1:33:31.000
<v Speaker 3>that they think of each other this way. My research

1:33:31.040 --> 1:33:34.479
<v Speaker 3>game is strong, but a potentially non existent German marriage

1:33:34.479 --> 1:33:38.599
<v Speaker 3>certificate evades my grasp. Nevertheless, he does own a home

1:33:38.640 --> 1:33:42.040
<v Speaker 3>in Effort, and she lives in it. She refers to

1:33:42.080 --> 1:33:46.000
<v Speaker 3>him occasionally as her house Positzer, which you could translate

1:33:46.040 --> 1:33:49.360
<v Speaker 3>as landlord, but you wouldn't really, you'd call the person

1:33:49.400 --> 1:33:52.920
<v Speaker 3>you rent your home from your fermeter house Positzer just

1:33:53.000 --> 1:33:57.879
<v Speaker 3>means he owns her house, and he occasionally calls her Liebchen,

1:33:58.160 --> 1:34:02.760
<v Speaker 3>my love, and she calls Frankie when he visited in

1:34:02.800 --> 1:34:04.680
<v Speaker 3>twenty fifteen and they went to see her mother in

1:34:04.720 --> 1:34:08.160
<v Speaker 3>the nursing home together. Her photocaptions are about Frank's visit

1:34:08.240 --> 1:34:11.439
<v Speaker 3>to his mother in law. As with so much in

1:34:11.479 --> 1:34:14.760
<v Speaker 3>Frank's life, it's hard to pin this down. I have

1:34:14.800 --> 1:34:16.640
<v Speaker 3>a handful of photos of Frank with this woman that

1:34:16.680 --> 1:34:19.120
<v Speaker 3>appeared to be from the eighties or early nineties based

1:34:19.160 --> 1:34:22.960
<v Speaker 3>on the photo quality, Frank's apparent age, and to be honest,

1:34:23.200 --> 1:34:28.040
<v Speaker 3>her hair. But we're talking about Germany, so dating by

1:34:28.080 --> 1:34:31.120
<v Speaker 3>the fashion could put us off by a decade or more.

1:34:31.800 --> 1:34:35.280
<v Speaker 3>No offense, you know, it's true, But at least in

1:34:35.400 --> 1:34:38.599
<v Speaker 3>the present era of his life, he's visiting Germany every

1:34:38.640 --> 1:34:42.920
<v Speaker 3>now and again. She breeds and shows Mexican and Peruvian

1:34:42.960 --> 1:34:45.920
<v Speaker 3>hairless dogs, some of which have been quite successful internationally.

1:34:46.840 --> 1:34:49.000
<v Speaker 3>Some of her show dogs list Frank Sweeney as a

1:34:49.000 --> 1:34:53.120
<v Speaker 3>co owner in September of twenty sixteen. His victims had

1:34:53.160 --> 1:34:56.000
<v Speaker 3>a brief reprieve from his letters because he was in

1:34:56.040 --> 1:35:00.559
<v Speaker 3>Germany attending a seminar on dog genetics with Ute. These

1:35:00.760 --> 1:35:03.519
<v Speaker 3>rare breed dogs are very prone to genetic problems and

1:35:03.640 --> 1:35:06.160
<v Speaker 3>in breeding, so I'm glad they're staying on top of

1:35:06.160 --> 1:35:09.479
<v Speaker 3>best practices, I guess. But when he was at home

1:35:09.520 --> 1:35:14.360
<v Speaker 3>in Idaho, the campaign of harassment was relentless. He even

1:35:14.360 --> 1:35:18.000
<v Speaker 3>found a way to outsource the terror. Frank sent postcards

1:35:18.040 --> 1:35:21.639
<v Speaker 3>to inmates in prisons all over the country. He signed

1:35:21.640 --> 1:35:24.760
<v Speaker 3>them with Ellen's name and address, and requested that the

1:35:24.800 --> 1:35:29.799
<v Speaker 3>men write her back. She received at least seventy five letters,

1:35:29.840 --> 1:35:33.880
<v Speaker 3>all addressed to her at home from murderers and as

1:35:33.920 --> 1:35:36.519
<v Speaker 3>if she might not get it, like maybe she didn't

1:35:36.520 --> 1:35:38.400
<v Speaker 3>put two and two together here, Like maybe she thought

1:35:38.400 --> 1:35:42.479
<v Speaker 3>this was some totally separate, unrelated new problem she just

1:35:42.560 --> 1:35:45.640
<v Speaker 3>happens to be having. Frank made sure she understood that

1:35:46.000 --> 1:35:50.200
<v Speaker 3>he did this. He sent her numerous postcards explaining the situation.

1:35:52.520 --> 1:35:56.120
<v Speaker 9>Every creep, every social degenerate who has written to you,

1:35:56.240 --> 1:35:59.960
<v Speaker 9>has your address, social Security number, and date of birth.

1:36:00.439 --> 1:36:01.679
<v Speaker 8>Likewise for Lucy too.

1:36:02.200 --> 1:36:04.640
<v Speaker 9>Some of these freaks have already passed this information on

1:36:04.800 --> 1:36:08.559
<v Speaker 9>to their criminal friends outside of prison. Last month, I've

1:36:08.640 --> 1:36:11.160
<v Speaker 9>visited your house twice in the early morning hours while

1:36:11.160 --> 1:36:14.960
<v Speaker 9>you slept naturally, I've removed my license plates so that

1:36:15.040 --> 1:36:18.439
<v Speaker 9>street cameras could not identify my car, and I still

1:36:18.479 --> 1:36:21.960
<v Speaker 9>patrol the post office daily in an effort to spot you.

1:36:21.960 --> 1:36:24.040
<v Speaker 8>You only have your big mouth to blame for all

1:36:24.080 --> 1:36:24.400
<v Speaker 8>of this.

1:36:27.080 --> 1:36:29.719
<v Speaker 3>In December of twenty sixteen, after the first full year,

1:36:30.400 --> 1:36:33.759
<v Speaker 3>he wrote to her, saying it was their anniversary, telling

1:36:33.800 --> 1:36:37.880
<v Speaker 3>her I intend to be with you her life. The

1:36:37.960 --> 1:36:40.000
<v Speaker 3>letter has just kept coming, reminding her that he was

1:36:40.040 --> 1:36:42.559
<v Speaker 3>watching her outside her home, that he waited for her

1:36:42.560 --> 1:36:45.240
<v Speaker 3>at the post office almost every day, and sending her

1:36:45.280 --> 1:36:48.960
<v Speaker 3>postcards containing her own personal information like her license plate

1:36:49.080 --> 1:36:52.280
<v Speaker 3>number and information about her family, just.

1:36:52.240 --> 1:36:53.599
<v Speaker 1>So she knew he had it too.

1:36:54.960 --> 1:36:57.000
<v Speaker 3>He continued writing to Ellen and both of her daughters,

1:36:57.040 --> 1:37:00.519
<v Speaker 3>calling the racial slurs, slots whores, threatening to report them

1:37:00.520 --> 1:37:04.240
<v Speaker 3>for assorted imaginary crimes like tax fraud and drug dealing,

1:37:04.280 --> 1:37:09.680
<v Speaker 3>and always remembering to write them on their birthdays. Investigators

1:37:09.680 --> 1:37:12.680
<v Speaker 3>were stumped. They knew the letter writer was the man

1:37:12.720 --> 1:37:14.960
<v Speaker 3>from the post office parking lot. He said as much

1:37:15.000 --> 1:37:15.599
<v Speaker 3>in his letters.

1:37:15.640 --> 1:37:19.240
<v Speaker 1>But Ellen didn't recognize him. She had only a.

1:37:19.280 --> 1:37:21.840
<v Speaker 3>Vague description of his vehicle, and she didn't get the

1:37:21.880 --> 1:37:24.760
<v Speaker 3>license plate. Why would she have thought she needed to.

1:37:26.400 --> 1:37:29.720
<v Speaker 3>Postcards were always wiped clean of prints. They were perfectly

1:37:29.760 --> 1:37:33.160
<v Speaker 3>generic United States Postal Service issued materials that he always

1:37:33.160 --> 1:37:37.679
<v Speaker 3>bought in small quantities and paid cash. He may truly

1:37:37.800 --> 1:37:40.120
<v Speaker 3>have tormented this woman until one of them died if

1:37:40.160 --> 1:37:46.400
<v Speaker 3>he hadn't done what he's always done, more crime. And

1:37:46.479 --> 1:37:49.960
<v Speaker 3>here's that beginning of the end. It's not the end.

1:37:50.000 --> 1:37:51.880
<v Speaker 3>But I told you this story that began outside of

1:37:51.920 --> 1:37:54.040
<v Speaker 3>a bank in New Jersey in nineteen sixty two would

1:37:54.040 --> 1:37:56.599
<v Speaker 3>start its final chapter outside of a bank in.

1:37:56.560 --> 1:37:58.320
<v Speaker 1>Idaho fifty six years later.

1:38:00.160 --> 1:38:04.639
<v Speaker 3>On October thirteenth, twenty eighteen, Frank got into another argument

1:38:04.680 --> 1:38:08.280
<v Speaker 3>in a parking lot. These victims, too, are only identified

1:38:08.280 --> 1:38:10.360
<v Speaker 3>by their initials in the court records. So I'm going

1:38:10.400 --> 1:38:13.720
<v Speaker 3>to call them Liam and Denise. They were in their

1:38:13.720 --> 1:38:17.880
<v Speaker 3>car outside the Wells Fargo in Garden City, Idaho. Frank

1:38:17.880 --> 1:38:21.840
<v Speaker 3>conked at them. There was again some kind of verbal altercation.

1:38:22.280 --> 1:38:24.920
<v Speaker 3>Maybe they gave him the finger or shouted, who knows,

1:38:25.000 --> 1:38:26.880
<v Speaker 3>you know, this is the kind of thing that happens

1:38:26.920 --> 1:38:29.000
<v Speaker 3>every day. You know, you don't pull forward fast enough.

1:38:29.040 --> 1:38:31.400
<v Speaker 3>The guy behind you honks. You tell him to fuck off.

1:38:31.479 --> 1:38:36.479
<v Speaker 3>Nobody's being their best selves, but life goes on, but

1:38:36.560 --> 1:38:40.240
<v Speaker 3>not for Frank. Frank can't take it. He stabbed a

1:38:40.280 --> 1:38:43.040
<v Speaker 3>guy in the guts for splashing him in nineteen seventy five.

1:38:44.479 --> 1:38:47.559
<v Speaker 3>So two weeks after Liam and Denise experienced this angry

1:38:47.640 --> 1:38:53.040
<v Speaker 3>driver at the bank, they start getting postcards. Like Ellen

1:38:53.040 --> 1:38:56.320
<v Speaker 3>and her family, this family, too, starts hearing that their

1:38:56.680 --> 1:38:59.680
<v Speaker 3>neighbors and nearby schools are getting postcards that pretend to

1:38:59.720 --> 1:39:02.920
<v Speaker 3>be from the state Sex Offender Registry, alerting people that

1:39:02.960 --> 1:39:08.320
<v Speaker 3>Liam is a pedophile. He's not, And specifically, the postcards

1:39:08.320 --> 1:39:12.040
<v Speaker 3>say that he sodomized a nine year old boy. That

1:39:12.200 --> 1:39:16.959
<v Speaker 3>is a very specific and very gross detail to recycle

1:39:16.960 --> 1:39:19.519
<v Speaker 3>from one victim to the next, right like that, that

1:39:19.600 --> 1:39:23.439
<v Speaker 3>has to mean something, but I can't figure it out,

1:39:23.479 --> 1:39:27.360
<v Speaker 3>and maybe that's for the best. These postcards, too, are

1:39:27.479 --> 1:39:30.759
<v Speaker 3>generic ones from the post office, typed on a manual typewriter.

1:39:31.160 --> 1:39:34.240
<v Speaker 3>And again, some of the postcards are signed Carson Wells,

1:39:34.840 --> 1:39:38.680
<v Speaker 3>and sometimes they're signed with the name of Liam's adult son.

1:39:38.880 --> 1:39:42.080
<v Speaker 3>And again there were letters to the family from murderers

1:39:42.560 --> 1:39:46.960
<v Speaker 3>answering requests for pen pals. But you know what, the

1:39:47.000 --> 1:39:52.559
<v Speaker 3>bank has a lot of security cameras, and unbeknownst to Frank,

1:39:52.760 --> 1:39:56.439
<v Speaker 3>shortly before he started terrorizing his second set of victims,

1:39:57.240 --> 1:40:01.320
<v Speaker 3>his case wasn't just a local matter anymore. In September

1:40:01.320 --> 1:40:05.599
<v Speaker 3>of twenty eighteen, the United States Postal Inspector Service started

1:40:05.600 --> 1:40:10.760
<v Speaker 3>looking into the postcards. That's right, the Mail Police. That

1:40:10.880 --> 1:40:14.360
<v Speaker 3>is a very real federal law enforcement agency with jurisdiction

1:40:14.479 --> 1:40:18.799
<v Speaker 3>over mail crimes. According to their most recent annual report,

1:40:18.880 --> 1:40:22.960
<v Speaker 3>the USPIS initiated more than fifty six hundred investigations in

1:40:23.000 --> 1:40:26.439
<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty three, and during that year, forty one hundred

1:40:26.479 --> 1:40:30.400
<v Speaker 3>cases related to their investigations ended in convictions. Most of

1:40:30.439 --> 1:40:35.800
<v Speaker 3>those numbers are things like mail theft and people mailing drugs. Also,

1:40:35.920 --> 1:40:39.520
<v Speaker 3>though a couple hundred people a year are assaulting postal employees,

1:40:40.240 --> 1:40:41.000
<v Speaker 3>knock that off.

1:40:41.320 --> 1:40:41.880
<v Speaker 1>Don't do that.

1:40:42.200 --> 1:40:45.760
<v Speaker 3>Be nice to your mail carrier. So now we have

1:40:45.800 --> 1:40:48.519
<v Speaker 3>the Mail Police on the case, and as soon as

1:40:48.560 --> 1:40:50.960
<v Speaker 3>they start trying to figure out what's going on here. Again,

1:40:51.000 --> 1:40:53.800
<v Speaker 3>this is September of twenty eighteen, they're just looking at

1:40:53.800 --> 1:40:56.559
<v Speaker 3>the postcards to Ellen and her family, But within a

1:40:56.560 --> 1:40:59.280
<v Speaker 3>few weeks of them opening the investigation, the Idaho State

1:40:59.320 --> 1:41:03.120
<v Speaker 3>Police let them know that someone is sending postcards pretending

1:41:03.160 --> 1:41:06.240
<v Speaker 3>to be from their office. And these are these postcards

1:41:06.280 --> 1:41:09.320
<v Speaker 3>about how Liam is a pedophile that are being sent

1:41:09.360 --> 1:41:13.280
<v Speaker 3>to schools and neighbors. And because these postcards are made

1:41:13.320 --> 1:41:15.599
<v Speaker 3>to look as though they are coming from the State

1:41:15.640 --> 1:41:18.599
<v Speaker 3>Sex Offender Registry, which is run by the state police,

1:41:19.240 --> 1:41:22.080
<v Speaker 3>people are contacting the state police about them. And now

1:41:22.120 --> 1:41:24.960
<v Speaker 3>the state police are talking to the mail police, and

1:41:25.000 --> 1:41:28.000
<v Speaker 3>now the mail cops see that there are more victims,

1:41:28.720 --> 1:41:30.760
<v Speaker 3>and all of these postcards seem to be from the

1:41:30.760 --> 1:41:35.120
<v Speaker 3>same person. When postal investigators speak to both families and

1:41:35.160 --> 1:41:38.479
<v Speaker 3>compare the letters, it's clear they're all from the same person.

1:41:39.600 --> 1:41:42.040
<v Speaker 3>All of the victims say they know who is sending

1:41:42.120 --> 1:41:45.240
<v Speaker 3>them these postcards, they just don't know who he is.

1:41:46.080 --> 1:41:48.360
<v Speaker 3>Ellen knows it's the guy from the post office. Liam

1:41:48.439 --> 1:41:49.360
<v Speaker 3>knows it's the guy.

1:41:49.200 --> 1:41:49.800
<v Speaker 1>From the bank.

1:41:50.280 --> 1:41:53.720
<v Speaker 3>And they both describe some kind of older truck and

1:41:53.800 --> 1:41:57.000
<v Speaker 3>an older man who's thin with a stiff gait and

1:41:57.080 --> 1:42:03.160
<v Speaker 3>a very terrible distinctive skull on his face. They're describing

1:42:03.160 --> 1:42:06.760
<v Speaker 3>the same man, and surely a bank teller or a

1:42:06.800 --> 1:42:11.719
<v Speaker 3>postal service clerk would recognize a description like that. Local

1:42:11.720 --> 1:42:15.200
<v Speaker 3>cops had shown Ellen photo lineups on multiple occasions over

1:42:15.240 --> 1:42:18.160
<v Speaker 3>the last three years as they're investigating this, but Frank

1:42:18.240 --> 1:42:20.680
<v Speaker 3>was never a suspect, so he was never in any

1:42:20.760 --> 1:42:23.400
<v Speaker 3>of the photo arrays. So each time they showed her

1:42:23.439 --> 1:42:27.759
<v Speaker 3>photos of potential suspects, she said, he's not here because

1:42:27.800 --> 1:42:30.960
<v Speaker 3>he wasn't and so she never picked out any other

1:42:31.439 --> 1:42:35.000
<v Speaker 3>possible suspect. But once the postal investigator zeroed in on

1:42:35.040 --> 1:42:37.599
<v Speaker 3>the man in the bank security footage, both Ellen and

1:42:37.680 --> 1:42:42.480
<v Speaker 3>Liam separately identified him in photo lineups, and bank employees

1:42:42.520 --> 1:42:46.120
<v Speaker 3>did know who he was, so by Christmas of twenty eighteen,

1:42:46.160 --> 1:42:50.320
<v Speaker 3>the male police have Frank's bank records. He's been paying

1:42:50.320 --> 1:42:54.280
<v Speaker 3>a private investigator. That's how he knew so much personal

1:42:54.320 --> 1:42:57.680
<v Speaker 3>information about all of his victims, information about their real

1:42:57.800 --> 1:43:00.719
<v Speaker 3>estate transactions, what kinds of cars they drove, where they worked,

1:43:00.720 --> 1:43:03.519
<v Speaker 3>where their adult children lived in different cities and states.

1:43:04.400 --> 1:43:05.680
<v Speaker 1>Is paying a PI.

1:43:07.320 --> 1:43:10.000
<v Speaker 3>Idaho is one of several states where you don't actually

1:43:10.040 --> 1:43:12.479
<v Speaker 3>have to have a license of any kind to offer

1:43:12.520 --> 1:43:15.800
<v Speaker 3>your services as a PI, so she doesn't have one

1:43:15.800 --> 1:43:18.719
<v Speaker 3>that can be taken away, and she hasn't been.

1:43:18.640 --> 1:43:19.519
<v Speaker 1>Charged of anything.

1:43:20.680 --> 1:43:24.040
<v Speaker 3>Maybe she only helped Frank with information that didn't cross

1:43:24.040 --> 1:43:27.160
<v Speaker 3>a line, and maybe she didn't ask enough questions about

1:43:27.280 --> 1:43:31.200
<v Speaker 3>what he was doing with it. It remains unclear how

1:43:31.200 --> 1:43:35.599
<v Speaker 3>he got everyone's Social Security numbers, though, but the PI

1:43:35.720 --> 1:43:37.799
<v Speaker 3>he was paying is a woman in her eighties who

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<v Speaker 3>seems to still be in the business just for the

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<v Speaker 3>love of the game. Barbara Jacobson describes herself on her

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<v Speaker 3>website as a cross between Nancy Drew and Jessica Fletcher

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<v Speaker 3>with the tenacity of Colombo, and credits her success to

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<v Speaker 3>her Christian faith and divine intervention. An article in a

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<v Speaker 3>twenty seventeen issue of Christian Living magazine quotes her as saying,

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<v Speaker 3>God is my business partner.

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<v Speaker 1>Now again.

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<v Speaker 3>This woman has not been charged with a crime, but

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<v Speaker 3>it seems like a bad sign that she either didn't

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<v Speaker 3>know or didn't care that the client asking her for

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of personal information on people had a five

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<v Speaker 3>decade long rap sheet that included convictions related to harassment

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<v Speaker 3>by mail. You're either deeply unscrupulous or very bad at

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<v Speaker 3>your job, and I'm not sure which is worse. Either way,

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<v Speaker 3>this investigation is rapidly coming together. The postal investigator has

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<v Speaker 3>Frank's bank records, He's been identified by the victims. They're

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<v Speaker 3>closing in on him, and maybe he knows, maybe he doesn't.

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<v Speaker 3>He did move very suddenly in February twenty nineteen, leaving

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<v Speaker 3>the house he'd been renting for over a decade right

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<v Speaker 3>as they got the warrant to search it, and renting

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<v Speaker 3>a different house nearby. But he's still sending the letters.

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<v Speaker 3>So if he knows they're onto him, why is he

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<v Speaker 3>still sending the letters. On February thirteenth, twenty nineteen, six

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<v Speaker 3>weeks after they know Frank's their guy, right around the

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<v Speaker 3>time that he's moving to his new house, a clerk

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<v Speaker 3>at the post office calls the investigator to say that

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<v Speaker 3>an old man with a terrible scar on his face

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<v Speaker 3>just bought a stack of postcards with cash, and the

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<v Speaker 3>last postcard arrived on February nineteenth, twenty nineteen. It signed

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<v Speaker 3>Carson Wells, but the writer identifies himself as the man

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<v Speaker 3>who blew his horn at them in the parking lot.

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<v Speaker 3>And then he reminds Liam and Denise that all the

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<v Speaker 3>murderers who'd been writing to them had already forwarded their

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<v Speaker 3>personal information to criminals on the outside, but it was

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<v Speaker 3>already over Two weeks later, they searched Frank's home. They

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<v Speaker 3>took his typewriter and his list of federal inmates, the

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<v Speaker 3>ones he'd been writing to as his victims, and they

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<v Speaker 3>found portraits of Hitler and Nazi memorabilia and white supremacist literature,

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<v Speaker 3>and two live rattlesnakes. Rattlesnakes don't live in Idaho. These

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<v Speaker 3>aren't snakes that he got outside. These are snakes that

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<v Speaker 3>he is breeding. Frank has a lifelong interest in reptile breeding.

1:46:08.000 --> 1:46:10.959
<v Speaker 3>I think he's a member of the Idaho Herpetological Society,

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<v Speaker 3>or at least he was before he went to prison,

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<v Speaker 3>and shortly before his arrest, he commented on an online

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<v Speaker 3>obituary for an old high school classmate, reminiscing fondly about

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<v Speaker 3>how they used to collect snakes in the woods together

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<v Speaker 3>in the fifties. Once he's in custody, Frank confessed immediately,

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<v Speaker 3>telling investigators on the day of his arrest that he'd

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<v Speaker 3>sent the postcards because he felt like these people had

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<v Speaker 3>embarrassed him and it made him feel better to know

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<v Speaker 3>he was causing them emotional distress. Shortly after his arrest,

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<v Speaker 3>he wrote to the judge to ask the court to

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<v Speaker 3>intervene in what he felt was an inadequate response by

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<v Speaker 3>the jail to what he called many of the infirmities

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<v Speaker 3>that affect the elderly, and says he has the urge

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<v Speaker 3>to commit suicide if his demands aren't met. And I

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<v Speaker 3>don't want to sound like I'm brushing this off, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not saying that this couldn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Possibly be a valid concern.

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<v Speaker 3>People die in jails and prisons every day because employees

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<v Speaker 3>don't care or don't have the resources to provide adequate care.

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<v Speaker 3>This is a very real problem, and the urge to

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<v Speaker 3>harm yourself is always very serious. But this isn't Frank's

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<v Speaker 3>first rodeo. Remember in the eighties he used to threaten

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<v Speaker 3>suicide and would even fake suicide attempts in order to

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<v Speaker 3>manipulate employees of the Witness Protection program. So this may

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<v Speaker 3>not be a brand new issue for Frank at any rate.

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<v Speaker 3>Within months of his arrest he entered into a plea agreement.

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<v Speaker 3>So once the mail cops got on the case, they

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<v Speaker 3>actually sorted it out pretty quickly. Right the USPIS got

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<v Speaker 3>on the case, in September of twenty eighteen, and within

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<v Speaker 3>three months they knew it was Frank. Maybe they should

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<v Speaker 3>have called the guys who solved Maile crimes earlier. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know, but if there had been more communication between

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<v Speaker 3>different law enforcement agencies, the whole situation would have been resolved.

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<v Speaker 3>When he sent a single letter a third victim, which

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<v Speaker 3>he signed with his own name. But when a US

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<v Speaker 3>Marshall searched Frank's house two years before his eventual arrest,

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<v Speaker 3>I guess they didn't bother to check in with the

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<v Speaker 3>local police, because in April of twenty seventeen, Frank sent

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<v Speaker 3>a single letter to Gerald Shrr, the man who found

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<v Speaker 3>it and for many years ran the witness protection program.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't think of a worse guy to pick if

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<v Speaker 3>you're going to send a threatening letter. Sure was long

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<v Speaker 3>since retired by twenty seventeen. He passed away in twenty

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<v Speaker 3>twenty at the age of eighty six.

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<v Speaker 1>But is there anyone on.

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<v Speaker 3>Earth who had more chips to call in with the

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<v Speaker 3>US Marshals? You think a US marshal isn't going to

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<v Speaker 3>come to your house if you sign your full legal

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<v Speaker 3>name to a threatening letter to the guy who invented

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<v Speaker 3>witness protection. You think you're going to scare the guy

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<v Speaker 3>whose job was protecting mobsters from other mobsters. Truly a

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<v Speaker 3>stupid move, even for Frank.

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<v Speaker 9>You poisonous, licentious so jew. I thought that you would

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<v Speaker 9>have been long dead from cardiovascular disease due to obesity.

1:49:10.000 --> 1:49:12.080
<v Speaker 9>I was very much hoping to sit shiver for you,

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<v Speaker 9>to pray cottage over your fat corpse.

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<v Speaker 8>You loasome.

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<v Speaker 9>I will remember you, although it's doubtful you will remember

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<v Speaker 9>from WITSEC units in Otisville of San Diego parade in

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<v Speaker 9>with your entourage to pray women from the Office of

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<v Speaker 9>Enforcement Operations. In nineteen eighty four, you expelled me from

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<v Speaker 9>the program, leaving me defend for myself as a known

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<v Speaker 9>inform a rat in the general populations of very dangerous prisons.

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<v Speaker 3>It had been more than thirty years, but Frank never

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<v Speaker 3>got over getting kicked out of the program. He flew

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<v Speaker 3>all over the world helping a spy in nineteen eighty

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<v Speaker 3>trying to leverage information on Christopher Boyce to get placement

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<v Speaker 3>in the program, and it didn't work. The information it

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<v Speaker 3>gave was not only not helpful, but by fabricating unhelpful

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<v Speaker 3>information in or to get something from the government, he

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<v Speaker 3>made things worse, and when he finally got what he

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<v Speaker 3>wanted by testifying against a serial killer in nineteen eighty two,

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<v Speaker 3>he couldn't keep his mouth shut about it, and so

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<v Speaker 3>he was removed from the program in nineteen eighty four.

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<v Speaker 3>In his letter to Suir, he claims that as a

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<v Speaker 3>result of losing his protected status in eighty four, he

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<v Speaker 3>was attacked by another inmate the following year, and he does,

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<v Speaker 3>without a doubt, bear a huge scar all down one

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<v Speaker 3>cheek to this day. Somebody cut Frank's face open pretty bad.

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<v Speaker 3>He takes care to mention in his letter that the

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<v Speaker 3>assailant was black, though he chooses different words to say that.

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<v Speaker 3>And who knows why Frank got cut. I'm not making

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<v Speaker 3>light of the violence that happens inside jails and prisons,

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<v Speaker 3>but you'd have to do some real mental gymnastics here

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<v Speaker 3>to come up with a satisfying explanation for why a

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<v Speaker 3>black man would cut Frank up in retaliation for Frank's

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<v Speaker 3>testimony against a Nazi serial killer who try rabbled the

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<v Speaker 3>country shooting black men. I just don't think that they

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<v Speaker 3>would be mad about that. But I can think of

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<v Speaker 3>a variety of reasons why a black man who encountered

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<v Speaker 3>Frank in prison might get into it with him.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean racist hide.

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<v Speaker 3>Frank's just kind of a hotthead, not a great guy

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<v Speaker 3>to hang out with, always getting into it with people.

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<v Speaker 1>But also he loves saying racial slurs.

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<v Speaker 3>So I can think of a variety of reasons why

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<v Speaker 3>this might have happened that had nothing to do with

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<v Speaker 3>him testifying against a serial killer. We can't take Frank

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<v Speaker 3>at his word, and I couldn't find any reporting from

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<v Speaker 3>the time about a prison knife fight in nineteen eighty five,

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<v Speaker 3>So who else after sure received the letter, which Frank

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<v Speaker 3>had signed venomously yours Frank Abbott Sweeney. A US marshal

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<v Speaker 3>was sent out to Idaho to speak with Frank, and

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<v Speaker 3>Frank admitted that he sent the letter, but he said

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<v Speaker 3>he meant no harm by it, and he allowed the

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<v Speaker 3>marshal to search his home. It seems like if anyone

1:52:00.960 --> 1:52:03.640
<v Speaker 3>had compared notes, Frank could have been identified as the

1:52:03.640 --> 1:52:07.320
<v Speaker 3>Garden City postcard writer far sooner. The language in this

1:52:07.479 --> 1:52:09.880
<v Speaker 3>letter was very similar to some of the postcards.

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<v Speaker 1>If they had just.

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<v Speaker 3>Showed this letter to the sheriff, maybe they would have

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<v Speaker 3>recognized it, but yes they didn't because he wasn't. The

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<v Speaker 3>local police in Pennsylvania where the letter was received charged

1:52:22.479 --> 1:52:27.160
<v Speaker 3>Frank with terroristic threats, but that's a non extraditable misdemeanor

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<v Speaker 3>in Pennsylvania, so they couldn't bring him back to face

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<v Speaker 3>the charge. So he's got an open warrant in Pennsylvania

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<v Speaker 3>if he ever goes there, willingly, but he probably won't,

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<v Speaker 3>and with Sure now deceased, it doesn't seem like that's

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<v Speaker 3>likely to amount to anything. On December sixteenth, twenty nineteen,

1:52:45.080 --> 1:52:48.200
<v Speaker 3>Frank Sweeney was sentenced to fifty one months for six

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<v Speaker 3>counts of stalking. A few days later, his German wife

1:52:51.880 --> 1:52:54.920
<v Speaker 3>posted a photo of her Christmas Eve dinner. A friend

1:52:55.000 --> 1:52:57.280
<v Speaker 3>asked her if Frank would be celebrating with her that year.

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<v Speaker 3>She replied that no, has been ill for several months

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<v Speaker 3>and can't.

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<v Speaker 1>Fly right now.

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<v Speaker 3>She didn't say that he was back in federal prison

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<v Speaker 3>for at least the fifth time. Frank Sweeney was released

1:53:10.720 --> 1:53:13.840
<v Speaker 3>from prison in December of twenty twenty two. I just

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<v Speaker 3>noticed as I'm writing this that it's his eighty first

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<v Speaker 3>birthday today, but it won't be by the time you

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<v Speaker 3>hear this. He's still in Idaho, he's still playing the violin,

1:53:24.520 --> 1:53:27.320
<v Speaker 3>and he still co owns a few Mexican hairless dogs

1:53:27.360 --> 1:53:31.160
<v Speaker 3>on the show circuit in Germany. In that nineteen ninety

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<v Speaker 3>four New York Times article about his prison consulting business,

1:53:33.920 --> 1:53:37.240
<v Speaker 3>Frank quipped that his favorite quote was the crime is

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<v Speaker 3>not in the act, but in the stupidity of being caught,

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<v Speaker 3>which he attributes to Nietzsche. I think, regardless of your

1:53:44.920 --> 1:53:48.120
<v Speaker 3>stance on the philosophical nature of crime and punishment, though

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<v Speaker 3>there are better quotes from Frank's thousands of appearances in

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<v Speaker 3>the newspaper over his six decades of crime.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe Judge H.

1:53:55.560 --> 1:53:57.920
<v Speaker 3>Curtis Meaner had it write in nineteen eighty one when

1:53:57.920 --> 1:53:59.599
<v Speaker 3>he cut off the bickering in the court room over

1:53:59.640 --> 1:54:02.519
<v Speaker 3>exactly what the hell happened with Frank's mysterious South African

1:54:02.560 --> 1:54:06.000
<v Speaker 3>letters about the missing spy, saying, I have neither the

1:54:06.040 --> 1:54:09.639
<v Speaker 3>time nor inclination to unravel all the mysteries in this case,

1:54:10.720 --> 1:54:13.519
<v Speaker 3>because we never really will unravel all the mysteries of

1:54:13.600 --> 1:54:17.280
<v Speaker 3>Frank's past. He played a bit part in so many

1:54:17.439 --> 1:54:21.600
<v Speaker 3>much bigger stories. They've made whole Hollywood films out of

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<v Speaker 3>so many of these little slices of history that Frank

1:54:25.160 --> 1:54:29.880
<v Speaker 3>passed through, from Cold War spy thrillers to Scorsese dramas

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<v Speaker 3>about organized crime.

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<v Speaker 1>Frank's there, it's not in the movie.

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<v Speaker 3>He's just out of frame while history happens doing something

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<v Speaker 3>really goddamn weird.

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