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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Post Run High.

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Speaker 2: Today's guest is someone I have been so excited to

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Speaker 2: sit down with, actress and singer Liz Gillies. You might

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Speaker 2: know Liz from her breakout role on Victorious as Jade

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Speaker 2: or from her unforgettable performance on Dynasty. Liz has always

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Speaker 2: stood out to me for her wit, honesty, and the

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Speaker 2: way she brings so much depth and dimension into every

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Speaker 2: role she takes on. In this conversation, you're going to

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Speaker 2: hear a side of Liz that fans don't always get

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Speaker 2: to see. We talked about her early life and what

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Speaker 2: first drew her into performing, her journey navigating Hollywood, and

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Speaker 2: the lesson she's learned along the way. Liz is thoughtful, hilarious,

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Speaker 2: and so refreshingly open. So I just know you're gonna

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Speaker 2: love this one before we jump in. I love hearing

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Speaker 2: your ideas for the show, so please follow me on

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Speaker 2: your dream guest pics for Post Run High. All right,

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Speaker 2: let's get into today's episode with Liz Gillies.

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Speaker 1: Elizabeth Gillies, Welcome to Post Run High.

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Speaker 2: Hi.

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Speaker 3: I feel like I have a post run High and

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Speaker 3: I'm sweating, which is freaking me out.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you were just telling me a little bit about

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Speaker 2: the lore behind you don't sweat.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I really don't until today as a person. And

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Speaker 3: then there was a whole thing because my character on

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Speaker 3: Victoria's Jade famously said that she doesn't sweat, that sweating

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Speaker 3: is gross, so she doesn't do it. And I've kind

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Speaker 3: of lived by that like my whole life, and I

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Speaker 3: really don't do kind of I don't exert myself that much.

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Speaker 3: I don't anyway. I think the combination today of the

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Speaker 3: corduroy hat I'm wearing that does match the chair, the

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Speaker 3: humidity outside, the high temperatures, and then the jogging and

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Speaker 3: sometimes sprinting accidentally that we did outside, You've taken me there.

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Speaker 3: So I'm sitting here sweating in an interview, which makes

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Speaker 3: me I'm humbled. Let's just say that.

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Speaker 1: No, I love it.

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Speaker 2: You did incredible on the run.

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Speaker 1: We ran about them through Brooklyn.

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Speaker 2: Every time I say the word Brooklyn, I don't know why,

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Speaker 2: but I like tongue twister it Brooklyn.

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Speaker 1: But I actually did a pretty good job there.

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Speaker 3: You can't say Brooklyn. Isn't that weird Brooklyn.

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Speaker 1: It's like such a weird word.

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Speaker 3: You say, Dumbo, Dumbo. It's easy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we ran a couple of miles through Dumbo. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: It was pretty, it was pretty by the water. It

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Speaker 2: But I find it so funny that you say you

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Speaker 1: With the full face of makeup, like, yeah, do you

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Speaker 3: No, Audrey is not like a princess track because she

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Speaker 3: does have a lot going on in the show. But

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Speaker 3: I always I get breaks, so it's like, I'll go

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Speaker 3: my character the name is Audrey that I'm playing in

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Speaker 3: the show, a little shop of frs right now, and

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Speaker 3: I get breaks, So it's like a Seymour. The lead

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Speaker 3: that's a sweaty roll for sure. But no, I try

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Speaker 3: not to and I generally don't. I'm really shocked right now.

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Speaker 3: Do I look really gross?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 1: You look great.

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Speaker 3: Maybe I look glowy, which never happens because I like

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Speaker 3: to matten my face down like a corpse. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: First Sweaty Podcast, yeast Sweaty interview, and last I hope.

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Speaker 3: But I'm happy to be here with you, and I'm

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Speaker 3: proud of myself and us, proud of you for being

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Speaker 1: I'm proud of you.

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Speaker 2: You look incredible at Let's talk about movement in your

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Speaker 2: life outside of performing and outside.

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Speaker 1: Of me making you run. Okay, Like, what does movement look.

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Speaker 3: Like for you? I love taking a good walk, I

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Speaker 3: love hiking. I've done the Have you heard of the Ranch?

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Speaker 3: I've done the Ranch twice. No, it's basically a hiking retreat.

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Speaker 3: I did it in Malibu and I did it in

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Speaker 1: So I usually do the short one with random people.

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Speaker 3: Oh, yes, with random people. I always. I brought my

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Speaker 3: so that's very interesting. But movement wise, I'm I'm a

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Speaker 3: But the calories I'll burn and the steps I'll get

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Speaker 3: But no, I mean I'm dodging around the question, which

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Speaker 3: or like my husband, I got a rowing machine and

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Speaker 3: working out. It's all rooted in competitiveness and challenges and

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Speaker 1: I get the competitiveness. I mean I feel like to

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Speaker 2: No, it's being competitive is always a good thing in

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Speaker 1: I mean some people take it a little bit too far.

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Speaker 2: I can't like the people that take being competitive in

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Speaker 3: Is I know some people like that. It can be fun,

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Speaker 3: but it's it's it's crazy. Yeah, my dad.

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Speaker 2: Gets a little too competitive with board games and I've

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Speaker 3: The board games with the Grande. That's an intense thing,

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Speaker 3: but it's very cool. It's an honor. Oh what Arianna's

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Speaker 3: and yeah, I've played with them a few times and

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Speaker 3: it's always very memorable. They're they're incredible. But I know

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Speaker 1: What board games?

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Speaker 3: Something for Neanderthals. That was the last one we played

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Speaker 3: Poetry for Neanderthals. I think it's very fun. I brought

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Speaker 3: crazy playing it, So I think it's maybe the game.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, it was really funny. Really try it.

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Speaker 1: I love a good board game.

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Speaker 2: I really like Kaitan, but playing Gaiton with my family

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Speaker 3: Everyone separates in the house after you play. Everyone needs

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Speaker 3: a private time to regroup, remember why you love each other.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, this is something I do, I'll majorly derail

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Speaker 3: I was saying that I don't work out. I'm not

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Speaker 3: it for like six months. I go too hard.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you can't be one hundred percent all the

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Speaker 2: really go hard when you have to get ready for something, right, Like,

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Speaker 2: that's how I feel everybody's But I mean, I work

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Speaker 3: It just running help your mental a lot too, That's

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Speaker 3: You know, perfect though you don't need to do I

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Speaker 3: like everybody says they were. I'll tell you what though,

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Speaker 3: I lost ten pounds before my wedding purely out of

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Speaker 2: I kind of wish ours was a small, pandemic wedding

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Speaker 2: at this point, and I'm like, it's too big.

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Speaker 3: That's what happened to mine. The wedding got bigger than big.

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Speaker 3: If you're a Sex and the City fan, That's what happened.

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Speaker 3: And then I ended up having like a a Murnie

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Speaker 3: from Girl's wedding, which was like my dream. Did you

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Speaker 3: watch Girls?

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Speaker 1: I did watch Girls?

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Speaker 3: Remember her little farm wedding? Yeah, Flower Crowns.

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Speaker 1: Yes. But I'm more of a Sex and the City

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Speaker 1: girl than I am a girl's girl, gotcha, But I

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Speaker 3: So you were having like Carrie's wedding at the public library.

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Speaker 2: I feel like that. I feel like that. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I just have a really big family.

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Speaker 1: I'm like it. My family's Italian and Irish and.

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Speaker 3: I'm mean too, because we're from New Jersey, doesn't they

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Speaker 3: only hop Yes? My dad's one of nine?

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Speaker 1: Oh wow? Yeah, So how many custins, do you up?

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Speaker 3: I infinite, I don't know, in the thirties or fist tons.

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Speaker 1: So how many people ended up being at your wedding?

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Speaker 3: Ten total? Yeah, we had to. It was kind of

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Speaker 3: cool because our original wedding was gonna be over two

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Speaker 3: It's like, even if you don't want to invite someone,

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Speaker 2: I think there's something about live theater that is just

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Speaker 2: get to Little Shop of Horrors and you know your

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Speaker 1: It's like eight shows a week.

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Speaker 3: Yes, well, Graham and I who we're in thirteen together.

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Speaker 3: we're all doing it right now. You're all day and

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Speaker 3: well we were thinking now we're all thirty one. Isn't

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Speaker 3: You do, I do sometimes? Yeah, I do feel like

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Speaker 1: So when you were in those early.

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Speaker 3: I think it's a combination. They definitely didn't come up

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Speaker 2: I think at what point, like how old were you

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Speaker 3: You don't know what I looked like when I was

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Speaker 2: I was watching reruns. I watched this, Like I literally

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Speaker 1: Like I look back at.

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Speaker 2: I came back to it.

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Speaker 3: I I had many journeys. I had a journey physically,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well you're also forced, I feel like, to mature

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Speaker 3: I guess. So I just was like, I was just

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Speaker 3: I never wanted to look like a kid, I was like,

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, let's talk about you going from commercials to

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Speaker 2: Or sorry those months?

440
00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:53,680
Speaker 3: Right?

441
00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:56,000
Speaker 1: Thirteen was a sure? How long was thirteen? It was

442
00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:56,920
Speaker 1: like four months.

443
00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:00,000
Speaker 3: We opened during the recession and it closed pretty cool.

444
00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:02,400
Speaker 3: I think after one hundred performances, I've now I've actually

445
00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:05,479
Speaker 3: now done more performances of Little Shop than I did

446
00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:08,240
Speaker 3: of thirteen, which is really interesting. I mean it was fun.

447
00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:10,240
Speaker 3: I got that audition, and I had been auditioning for

448
00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:12,600
Speaker 3: some Broadway stuff, but I went in there and I

449
00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:14,800
Speaker 3: really kind of like put my head down, and I mean,

450
00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:17,560
Speaker 3: you know, Ari describes that experience of like how she's like,

451
00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:19,480
Speaker 3: she claims, I like didn't talk to anyone, and I

452
00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:21,600
Speaker 3: was like in a corner, like determined, but I was

453
00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:23,679
Speaker 3: I really didn't. I was kind of like, I need

454
00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:25,520
Speaker 3: to book this job. I'm not here to make friends,

455
00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:27,240
Speaker 3: as to say on reality shows. And then of course

456
00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:29,600
Speaker 3: I made lifelong friends once I booked it. But it

457
00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:31,719
Speaker 3: was crazy. We did the reading together and then we

458
00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:36,159
Speaker 3: did the off Broadway running Connecticut, and then we did

459
00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:38,920
Speaker 3: the Broadway show, so we were with it for it

460
00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:41,040
Speaker 3: was it was truncated amount of time, but it felt

461
00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:42,800
Speaker 3: like a long journey. And now the show is sort

462
00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:45,120
Speaker 3: of taken on a life of its own. It's become

463
00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:48,119
Speaker 3: really popular in colleges and high schools, and maybe not colleges,

464
00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:52,080
Speaker 3: they're probably too old, right, Yeah, high schools, middle schools, preschool.

465
00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:53,200
Speaker 1: Like, there's been a lot of reenactments of it.

466
00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:55,240
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they do them. Yeah yeah, And they made

467
00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:57,800
Speaker 3: a movie of it on Netflix, which is different but

468
00:17:58,440 --> 00:17:58,960
Speaker 3: came out.

469
00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:02,760
Speaker 2: What was it like going from being in commercials and

470
00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:05,200
Speaker 2: like child acting like kind of in your town and

471
00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:07,520
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden being on Broadway and performing

472
00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:08,520
Speaker 2: it felt correct.

473
00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:10,320
Speaker 3: I was like, this is what I wanted, this is

474
00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:12,639
Speaker 3: a this is a this is going pretty according to

475
00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:14,960
Speaker 3: timeline so far. And then I booked the Nickelodeon show

476
00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:16,840
Speaker 3: right after that, so I was like, good, good, good,

477
00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:18,840
Speaker 3: this is all. This is all working out. Check check check.

478
00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:19,600
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.

479
00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:21,280
Speaker 2: So you were like, this is what I'm supposed to

480
00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:23,720
Speaker 2: be doing. Yeah, did you ever have moments of doubt?

481
00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:25,399
Speaker 2: Because I feel like the hardest part, Like when I

482
00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:27,840
Speaker 2: was talking to Ali, like the hardest thing for her was,

483
00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:31,720
Speaker 2: you know, she books thirteen and then it was kind

484
00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:33,080
Speaker 2: of like, well, what's next?

485
00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:35,840
Speaker 3: Sure, it's always what's next? They ask you, what's they

486
00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:38,640
Speaker 3: being like just people, especially people who aren't in the industry,

487
00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:40,959
Speaker 3: but even on red carpets and stuff too. The lolways

488
00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:43,359
Speaker 3: asks you what's next, like when it's your like first

489
00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:45,400
Speaker 3: week on the job, or like when your movie's coming out,

490
00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:47,639
Speaker 3: and you're like, I don't know, I'm just here and

491
00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:49,919
Speaker 3: I'm happy to be here right now. I've learned to

492
00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:52,280
Speaker 3: be a little more selective because I noticed that every

493
00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:54,360
Speaker 3: time I have signed on to a project and it's

494
00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:56,159
Speaker 3: been a lucky thing, like it'll go for a lot,

495
00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:58,400
Speaker 3: it'll become a really big chunk of my life. And

496
00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:00,159
Speaker 3: this last one I just did was a really big

497
00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:02,440
Speaker 3: chunk of my life. It was like five years. And

498
00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:06,159
Speaker 3: I think after that job, after Dynasty, that was the

499
00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:08,040
Speaker 3: first and only time I was like, I don't know,

500
00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:09,240
Speaker 3: I don't know if I want to keep I don't

501
00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:11,480
Speaker 3: know if I want to I love this, but the

502
00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:14,359
Speaker 3: industry has also changed so much since the pandemic and

503
00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:18,680
Speaker 3: since the strike that and having just come off such

504
00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:22,280
Speaker 3: a sort of grueling schedule and show, I was like,

505
00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:24,600
Speaker 3: maybe I just want to like hang out and I

506
00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:26,200
Speaker 3: don't want to do this right now. Maybe I'll own

507
00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:29,040
Speaker 3: like a flower shop. Maybe this is not fulfilling in

508
00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:31,440
Speaker 3: the same way. But I would say this show brought

509
00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:35,400
Speaker 3: me back to loving it again and I can't imagine

510
00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:37,080
Speaker 3: not doing it now, and I can't imagine not doing

511
00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:40,720
Speaker 3: theater now for sure. But no, I never really had

512
00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:44,760
Speaker 3: time to totally. I had doubts. I mean like it

513
00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:48,400
Speaker 3: was all because I grew up physically. I did feel

514
00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:50,080
Speaker 3: like I was mentally kind of grown up. I probably wasn't,

515
00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:53,200
Speaker 3: but physically grew up on kids TV on Victoria's I

516
00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:54,800
Speaker 3: think that was the hardest thing. That's when I was like,

517
00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:56,080
Speaker 3: oh my god, I don't know if I can just

518
00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:59,239
Speaker 3: wait until we've arrived at the final form to like

519
00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:02,240
Speaker 3: do this because it's watching It was torturous for me

520
00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:04,440
Speaker 3: because I'm a perfectionist and I was like, I don't

521
00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:08,000
Speaker 3: want to see myself get pimples and gain weight and

522
00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:10,200
Speaker 3: lose weight and get me. It's like, you know, you're

523
00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:12,720
Speaker 3: like usually do that in the privacy of your hometown

524
00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:14,879
Speaker 3: in high school. But it's what I wanted. So I

525
00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:17,400
Speaker 3: was like, it's what you wanted, and it was good

526
00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:18,400
Speaker 3: that we that I did it.

527
00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:21,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is a really vulnerable time, like in your

528
00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:22,800
Speaker 2: at almost hate yourself.

529
00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:26,239
Speaker 3: I hate yourself hate yourself, and I just hated. I

530
00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:28,679
Speaker 3: hated how I looked. It was I really wanted to

531
00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:31,119
Speaker 3: look like Sharon Stone. I was like, I want to

532
00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:34,800
Speaker 3: look like a gorgeous forty year old film actress, or

533
00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:37,280
Speaker 3: like I want to look like Missus Robinson from from

534
00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:39,440
Speaker 3: the Graduate. Why do I look like this? I don't

535
00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:41,200
Speaker 3: understand why look like a child? And everyone's like, cause

536
00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:44,000
Speaker 3: you're young, it's weird. Like I literally like just morphe.

537
00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:46,760
Speaker 3: I was like, I feel like a like a middle aged,

538
00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:49,000
Speaker 3: like glamorous woman. Why don't I look like this is

539
00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:51,920
Speaker 3: driving me crazy? So that was weird, but I definitely

540
00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:53,639
Speaker 3: went through that weird.

541
00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:55,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you're like an old soul.

542
00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,080
Speaker 3: Yeah. I didn't want to look like a cool, hot

543
00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:59,840
Speaker 3: twenty year old. I wanted to look like a sophisticated

544
00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:01,240
Speaker 3: middle aged woman.

545
00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:03,520
Speaker 2: I feel like, what was kind of nice then for

546
00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:06,840
Speaker 2: you with Jade is at least you talked them. Yeah,

547
00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:08,720
Speaker 2: you got to wear a little bit of a costume.

548
00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:11,000
Speaker 2: Like I can't imagine being like Victoria Justice just had

549
00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:12,359
Speaker 2: to be like herself right in a way way.

550
00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:14,159
Speaker 3: Vik is so hot and always was that like she

551
00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:16,520
Speaker 3: was the one to be doing that.

552
00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:17,480
Speaker 1: Yeah that's true.

553
00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:20,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, Vic. I mean, Vic looked amazing and it was

554
00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:23,040
Speaker 3: so perfect for Torri and that whole thing. And no,

555
00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:25,400
Speaker 3: I was so lucky to have colors in my hair

556
00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:30,000
Speaker 3: and black hair and piercings and that was a huge help. Yeah,

557
00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:31,719
Speaker 3: it informed how I dressed a lot too, and how

558
00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:34,320
Speaker 3: I carried myself. But that was a huge help. Yeah,

559
00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:36,400
Speaker 3: I'm thankful for that. And I loved it. I loved

560
00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:39,159
Speaker 3: the vibe. Yeah, I still have a goth side of me,

561
00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:39,640
Speaker 3: for sure.

562
00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:40,960
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask for sure.

563
00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,240
Speaker 2: Like the thing about Jade that was Jade was always

564
00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:46,879
Speaker 2: my favorite character in Victoria's Like You. The Jade character

565
00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:53,080
Speaker 2: was just so edgy and intimidating and like sweet but

566
00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:54,040
Speaker 2: also like had this.

567
00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:58,280
Speaker 3: Liked it though she's like a cat. Yes, I'm like similar, Yeah,

568
00:21:58,280 --> 00:21:59,520
Speaker 3: I was. It's funny I was with a cat. I'm

569
00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:01,239
Speaker 3: never with cat and I was with a cat last night.

570
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,399
Speaker 3: My cousin is a cat, and I was like, this

571
00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:06,399
Speaker 3: is really it's like my personality and I'm such a

572
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,199
Speaker 3: dog person. But maybe it's because I don't want to

573
00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:13,000
Speaker 3: confront the fact that I am a cat. But now, yeah,

574
00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:15,920
Speaker 3: I related a lot to Jade and I think her

575
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,080
Speaker 3: she also rubbed off on me a lot.

576
00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,040
Speaker 2: So you and Ariana Grande were both on thirteen and

577
00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:24,000
Speaker 2: then you ended up landing Victorious together. How did the

578
00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:26,359
Speaker 2: Victorious audition come to be? And were you guys like

579
00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:28,359
Speaker 2: so excited when you both got the part.

580
00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:30,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was insane. We were all auditioning from thirteen.

581
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:34,840
Speaker 3: They knew there were like a bunch of talented, multifaceted

582
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:38,480
Speaker 3: performer children down the street, and they Viacom, which is

583
00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:41,000
Speaker 3: the company that owns you know, like MTV and Nicoloudon

584
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,479
Speaker 3: and everything or did at the time. They were right

585
00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:45,040
Speaker 3: on the corner on the same street. So we were

586
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:46,600
Speaker 3: all like running over there on our day off or

587
00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:48,600
Speaker 3: before the shows are on our lunch break to audition

588
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:52,480
Speaker 3: all of us and Ari and I got a screen test,

589
00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:54,159
Speaker 3: which is just the wildest thing in the world. So

590
00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:55,680
Speaker 3: we both flew out with our moms to La to

591
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,760
Speaker 3: screen test for this show together, and then we ultimately

592
00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:00,760
Speaker 3: booked it and it was just completely surreal. We shared

593
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,639
Speaker 3: a dressing room at the time, so it was like

594
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 3: a total dream from true. I remember us booking it

595
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 3: and then going out there to live and shoot ultimately,

596
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,200
Speaker 3: and then like taking a tour of the Hollywood Sign

597
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:15,480
Speaker 3: and seeing the celebrity homes and just like it like

598
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:19,240
Speaker 3: the corniest but most joyful thing you could ever imagine

599
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 3: it was. It was really cool but surreal to be

600
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 3: doing all that with your best friend. I mean it

601
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 3: was amazing. We lived together and no.

602
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 1: Not knowing how much like your life was going to

603
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:30,880
Speaker 1: change post and during the show.

604
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:34,399
Speaker 3: No, I mean no, it's just amazing. We went and

605
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:36,960
Speaker 3: sang outside of different celebrities houses like I don't know,

606
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:38,520
Speaker 3: trying to get recked. I don't know what the point was.

607
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:40,120
Speaker 3: It's just funny to think about now.

608
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 1: It's so cute. At what point, Like how many years

609
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:45,280
Speaker 1: was Victoria's on for?

610
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 3: It was only on They maybe stretched it into four years,

611
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,320
Speaker 3: but we only shot for three years. It was short,

612
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:51,359
Speaker 3: but it was non stop.

613
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:53,639
Speaker 2: It's amazing to think how it was short, because it

614
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:55,439
Speaker 2: felt like it took up such a big part of

615
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:56,359
Speaker 2: like my childhood.

616
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, so, and the reruns, I mean it

617
00:23:58,880 --> 00:23:59,879
Speaker 3: just lives forever, you know.

618
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so good.

619
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:04,120
Speaker 2: Those were like the og days of like Nickelodeon and Disney.

620
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 2: I mean obviously, like we're not watching those channels anymore.

621
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 3: But I don't even know.

622
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 2: I don't even know if they can compete with the

623
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:15,159
Speaker 2: shows that you got, like with Victorious and Hannah Montana, and.

624
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 3: It was a different time. It was the perfect time,

625
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 3: and I think tonally it was like the jokes were

626
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:23,439
Speaker 3: so good and the music was so incredible. It was

627
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:24,200
Speaker 3: just allso good.

628
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:24,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

629
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:28,439
Speaker 2: I asked on my Instagram story for anybody that had

630
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 2: questions to ask you, and one of the questions, well,

631
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,159
Speaker 2: there's two of the most popular questions that came in

632
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 2: was what's your favorite j one liner?

633
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:36,639
Speaker 1: Oh?

634
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:41,720
Speaker 3: One liner? Yeah? Yeah, I mean I always say, I mean,

635
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:43,639
Speaker 3: for this interview, I'm going to have to go with

636
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 3: sweating as gross. So I don't do it just because

637
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 3: of the hypocrisy of it all. I'm going to go

638
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 3: with that one. As I sit here, I'm not sweating anymore.

639
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 3: I just want everyone to know that nine cameras okay, great.

640
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 1: What was your favorite Victorious song that you had to sing?

641
00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,399
Speaker 3: It was exciting for me to do the song that

642
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 3: I wrote for the show, which was you Don't Know Me.

643
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 3: I wrote it during season one and then it didn't

644
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 3: get used, and then towards the end they surprised me

645
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:07,399
Speaker 3: and they wanted to use it, which was really cool.

646
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 3: So that was exciting. But take a hint, I think

647
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,400
Speaker 3: maybe maybe one of the best songs in the show

648
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 3: and was one of the best moments. And I get

649
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 3: asked or people sing that at me, I think the most.

650
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:18,879
Speaker 3: It gets sung at me a lot in my face,

651
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 3: almost like a gift or attack. I don't know which

652
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 3: one it is, but I accept it.

653
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's just so many funny moments from Victoria's Like

654
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 2: when I was watching Oh My Gosh, Like in the

655
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 2: rerun that I was watching this morning, it's like the

656
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 2: kite thing where you like walk.

657
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,359
Speaker 3: Into oh and I'm sad. I'm trying to hide that

658
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 3: I'm crying. Yeah, that was hard for me because I

659
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:39,919
Speaker 3: really am not a crier at all. And then I

660
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 3: was like, Jade has to keep crying, and I was like,

661
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 3: I actually don't even know how to cry. I don't

662
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 3: cry unless I'm like flipping out maybe once a year.

663
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:47,680
Speaker 3: But that was a fun one with her mess garage

664
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 3: dripping down her face. It's very cute. It's like a

665
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,880
Speaker 3: classic sitcom. It was so well written and the cast

666
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 3: is so talented. It was just like everything was working

667
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 3: perfectly at the right time. It was like lightning in

668
00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 3: a bottle. I think, yeah, how.

669
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 2: Do you feel like thirteen and being on Broadway and

670
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 2: kind of that fast paced environment set you up for victorious?

671
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 3: Thanked you great, I was ready to go. I mean

672
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 3: the thing about the main thing, the thing that gets harder,

673
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,120
Speaker 3: that it will be hard again when I go back

674
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 3: to film and TV after doing like this show, the

675
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,400
Speaker 3: waiting around and the repetition. I think that's the hardest thing.

676
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 3: But the being ready, being professional, being able to perform live.

677
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:26,399
Speaker 3: If you're able to do a two hour show live

678
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 3: and know all your lines and hit your marks perfectly

679
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,919
Speaker 3: because you only get one shot at it, you're in

680
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 3: pretty good shape going into a film and TV set.

681
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 3: I think the stamina of being able to sit through

682
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 3: multiple takes or seven or eight hours of waiting on

683
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 3: end is the difficult part with film and TV in

684
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 3: my opinion. Also with theater, you get the opportunity to

685
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 3: do the show from beginning to end every night, so

686
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 3: you have the correct emotional journey. Where film and TV

687
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,360
Speaker 3: the schedule's all mixed up. You might shoot the final, biggest,

688
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 3: most emotional scene in something on day one, and then

689
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 3: you know the next scene you shoot will be like

690
00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 3: you wouldn't even you have met the person that you

691
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 3: just film dying in your arms a second before. It's

692
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 3: all out of order. So you have to be ready

693
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 3: to be flexible emotionally with that. But I love live

694
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 3: theater right now.

695
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was interviewing I think her name's Eliah Scott,

696
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 2: but anyway, she was saying that what she loves about

697
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 2: live theater versus on screen performances is that you.

698
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:23,880
Speaker 1: Don't have to do a retake.

699
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 2: You know, it's kind of like it is what it is,

700
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,120
Speaker 2: and that one take and it's different every time.

701
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,159
Speaker 3: No, and that's the great thing. I mean. Now people

702
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 3: film it, which is such a bummer, and they never

703
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 3: film the ones you want them to film. That's what

704
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 3: I felt like. The bootleg stuff, Oh the bootleg with

705
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 3: Milo and I that's out.

706
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it, well, ye don't.

707
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 3: It's like it must have been like a week or

708
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 3: two in. I actually found out the date of it

709
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:45,719
Speaker 3: because I think they caught the person who did it,

710
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 3: and I was like, I actually need to know what

711
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 3: date this was for a multitude of reasons. One, my

712
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 3: wig is literally it starts in the middle of my head.

713
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 3: I look like Denise what's the character of kristin wigg

714
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:56,199
Speaker 3: where she's the little hand and she's one of the

715
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,399
Speaker 3: sisters on Saturday Light. Well, if you look it up

716
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:00,200
Speaker 3: and you look at the image of her, it's exactly

717
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 3: how I look in this bootleg. My wig starts in

718
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 3: the center of my head. I have a nine head,

719
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,639
Speaker 3: maybe an eleven head, not a forehead. And the performance

720
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:08,880
Speaker 3: in that bootleg, it just in no way resembles sort

721
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:10,959
Speaker 3: of what I do every night, or where I landed.

722
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 3: It was. I was still figuring it out. But that's

723
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 3: the only thing. Like everyone wanting to film now and

724
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 3: put it online and then, but that's the reality. What

725
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:18,919
Speaker 3: can you do?

726
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,120
Speaker 1: Well, we even said it when we were filming the run,

727
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,360
Speaker 1: But it's very different, like some one bootleg are run.

728
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,199
Speaker 2: When you no no, like when Jeremy was filming in

729
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,679
Speaker 2: front of us, like versus when Jeremy was filming in

730
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 2: front of us with the extra camera versus the iPhone camera.

731
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 2: Like how you perform to something close up, it's very

732
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:36,440
Speaker 2: different than how you perform to it far away.

733
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:37,959
Speaker 3: I don't even know what my legs are gonna look

734
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 3: like in the far one. I mean they're probably tangled,

735
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 3: like I probably was. I mean I literally was only

736
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 3: I was like, she can probably see this, so I

737
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 3: was like this yeah, and the rest of my body

738
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 3: God even knows no.

739
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 2: And I have a lot of people message me saying

740
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 2: like can you post all like all of your videos

741
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,719
Speaker 2: as like horizontal videos on YouTube. I get a lot

742
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 2: of people asking, and I'm like, we've tried, but it

743
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 2: is that and like we can. But it's very different

744
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 2: when you're performing for something up close to your face versus.

745
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: Far away and just issu went' athletic. They're different things.

746
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 3: Of course I had to learn on Dynasty. That was

747
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 3: a big thing for me. Like the wides were one thing,

748
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 3: and I would be really and I'm in these clothes

749
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 3: with these heels and my posture and everything like that,

750
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 3: and then when you get close, it's like you're focusing

751
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 3: on different things. It is an art and I would

752
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 3: have done it today had I known. But it's okay.

753
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 1: It is an art.

754
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 2: I also feel like acting on screen and like on

755
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 2: stage it's so vulnerable, like you have to be so

756
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 2: comfortable with yourself.

757
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess you gotta let it all go. You

758
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 3: gotta let it There's a lot of smoke and mirrors

759
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 3: you can do with filming like for TV, and but

760
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 3: no stage is just like you're just out there.

761
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: What do you mean smoking mirrors?

762
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 3: Like, oh, I mean you can you're being lit a

763
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 3: certain way. They can, they can create illusions to make

764
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 3: you look taller, shorter, thinner or this or that. But

765
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 3: I mean theater, you're just You're just a body on

766
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 3: a stage, usually in a bit of overhead lighting. So yeah,

767
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 3: it's very raw, it's very real. It's cool. I love it.

768
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 3: I just love it.

769
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 2: We talked a little bit about like watching yourself grow

770
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 2: up on Victorious. I'm curious because a lot lot of

771
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:04,239
Speaker 2: people always talk about like Disney stars, Nickelodeon stars, and

772
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 2: just being a child star in general on how that

773
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 2: comes with like a lot of public scrutiny for the

774
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 2: first time and like the pressure to act a certain way.

775
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 2: I always think about like the Kid's Choice Awards, you know,

776
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 2: like did you feel like when you were playing Jade

777
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 2: on Victoria's that like publicly you had to act a

778
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 2: certain way and be.

779
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 3: Like kids are still disappointed sometimes when I when I

780
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 3: don't like yell at them, like or if I'm wearing

781
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 3: pink or I look to like it's kind of a

782
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 3: bummer for them. I've noticed it's more exciting when I

783
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 3: am and I'll make an effort if I know where

784
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 3: I'm going and what's going on. I lean into that

785
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 3: a little more because I get it, like, if you

786
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 3: have a character, you love them, they come and they're

787
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 3: totally different. I don't really care how you are as

788
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 3: a person. I want you to be like the person

789
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 3: that I knew and grew up loving. So I totally

790
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 3: get that. As far as scrutiny or like having to

791
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 3: act a certain way, I think I got lucky with

792
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 3: the character that I played because she wasn't really like

793
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 3: America's sweetheart, and she also was a bit acerbic and

794
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 3: different and offbeat, and I don't I think actually it

795
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 3: was a blessing. It never boxed me into having to

796
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 3: be like have a cookie cutter personality or be overly

797
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 3: careful when I did interviews or anything like that, because, uh,

798
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 3: I don't know, people weren't coming for me in that

799
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 3: specific way. They weren't expecting me to be like the

800
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 3: girl next door.

801
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 2: Like.

802
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,479
Speaker 3: I think the pressures were different on Like Victoria than

803
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 3: they would have been she was also the lead. But

804
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 3: then on me someone who's playing Jade, because it's like,

805
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 3: you know, Jade's like yelling at everyone and cutting everything

806
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 3: up and punching things and wearing all black and making

807
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 3: jokes with severe innuendo. I mean, I left Nickelodeon and

808
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 3: I went to do a show on effects called sex

809
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 3: and Drugs and Rock and Roll, and it was fine.

810
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 3: My fans are like, this is cool. Like I immediately

811
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 3: went and did that and it was totally fine. So

812
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 3: I didn't have that same I don't even know what

813
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 3: the word is. I don't want to say box. I

814
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 3: don't want to say your story.

815
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 1: It's like type casting in a way, like I.

816
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 3: Mean, I got typed as in a different way, Like

817
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 3: I don't think for years no one would ever see me.

818
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 3: I don't think they still would as like the girl

819
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 3: like store. They want me to be like the the

820
00:31:56,240 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 3: mean friend or like the strong you know, bossy lead

821
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 3: that hasn't gone away. But I like those roles, so

822
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 3: it's it's okay with me. I like playing strong, Yeah.

823
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 2: You do play you play a lot of like strong

824
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 2: Bolds characters, which I love. Yeah, there are worse boxes

825
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 2: to be boxing, right, I mean, that's like a fun

826
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 2: category portray. Was there like a you know, friendly competitiveness between.

827
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 1: Disney Channel stars and Nickelodeon stars.

828
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 3: I don't think I ever saw them. We really didn't

829
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 3: didn't really mingle that much. No, I don't think. So

830
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 3: they say we're different, Maybe we are. I don't know now.

831
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 3: I don't know what the worlds are like now. I

832
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 3: mean I got along with Milo. He was my last

833
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 3: co star on Mila Manheim and he's a big Disney

834
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 3: star and we got along just fine. We're from different generations, yeah,

835
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 3: but I don't know what the I don't know what

836
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 3: the the stigma is or what the rumors are. But

837
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 3: maybe we're different. I don't know. The nick kids I

838
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 3: always like the because we're cool, and the Disney kids

839
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 3: were more like But I don't think that's true. Look

840
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 3: through some Disney girls.

841
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: They're cool, but I mean are so cool.

842
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 3: I'm cool.

843
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 2: I saw her at La Lla Pluza and I was like,

844
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 2: she is a rock star.

845
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: Her microphone.

846
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 3: She was very cool and I love all her vintage

847
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 3: Bob Mackie, Oh my god, it's just spectacular.

848
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 2: How did being on a major network like Nickelodeon shape

849
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:31,959
Speaker 2: you today?

850
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 3: The experience was, I mean being kind of like a

851
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 3: fixture of people's childhood. I think changed my life and

852
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 3: shaped who I am today and that I wouldn't have otherwise.

853
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 2: Ben.

854
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 3: But other than that, it's just a job. I don't know. Yeah, no, yes,

855
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 3: I know. I mean, I'm very proud to have been

856
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 3: a part of that era of Nickelodeon, and I know

857
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 3: some people aren't, and I know there's a lot of

858
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 3: chatter around it, but it was a really magical time

859
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 3: for for Ustin, for my cast, and not to speak

860
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 3: for everybody, and and like we were saying, that era

861
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 3: of kids television was magical and funny. And I don't again,

862
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 3: I don't know how it is now. I don't have

863
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 3: any kids, and I don't I'm not around children, so

864
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 3: I don't watch it. I don't know it's on there now.

865
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,359
Speaker 3: Maybe it's still amazing, but it's definitely really special when

866
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 3: I was there, and I'm lucky to have been around

867
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 3: for that era.

868
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you were on a really special, like cool show.

869
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 1: I agree. Like the way you described it is.

870
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 3: No parents used to be like, well, I don't I'm

871
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 3: not my kids aren't allowed to watch the show. I

872
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 3: was like, oh wow, I love that.

873
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 2: Let's talk about the fact that you you're married to

874
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:34,240
Speaker 2: music producer Michael Corkran.

875
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: Is that your do? Is that your new last name

876
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 1: didoin yo? Know, am I saying it right?

877
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 3: Corkrand Yeah, Corkrand like Quirkrande real estate, no relation, right.

878
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 1: So while you're on Victorious, you and Michael meet.

879
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, it was yes. I met him on Victorious

880
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 3: and then after the show ended, we I really wanted

881
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 3: to date him, and I was, I was, I I

882
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 3: just I just fell in love with him and we

883
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 3: started dating. I guess in like twenty thirteen around there,

884
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 3: and then I was just blown away. At that time.

885
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 3: I had been acting at that point since I was

886
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 3: maybe ten, and I had nothing in common with anybody

887
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 3: any boy my age, nor could I sit near them

888
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 3: or talk to them, because I just even the lovely

889
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 3: guys on the show they were like my family, and

890
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 3: I just never I just had no luck. I had

891
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:30,240
Speaker 3: no luck falling for anybody within the realm of my age.

892
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 3: And I was so blown away by Michael's talent, which

893
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 3: has always been the big driver for me, even with friends.

894
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 3: I'm just so blown away by talent. And I had

895
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 3: never kind of met anybody as musically talented as he was,

896
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 3: and he and I became friends after Victoria's ended, and

897
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 3: then we started dating and we've been together ever since.

898
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 3: And yeah, he's one of the most, if not the

899
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 3: most musically talented person I know. And yeah, and incredibly

900
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 3: kind and good and I'm very lucky. I'm feel lucky

901
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 3: to have found love that early. And yeah, we have

902
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 3: a very beautiful life and I feel lucky about that.

903
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 1: It's so cute.

904
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 2: And he Michael is the song one of the songwriters

905
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 2: behind so many iconic nicolas, all.

906
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 3: The big theme songs really, I think from that time,

907
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 3: like the I Carly theme song, he co wrote on

908
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 3: the Victorious theme song, Drake and Josh theme song he

909
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 3: wrote I think with Drake a bunch of them. He

910
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 3: scored all the shows too. Yeah, Yeah, it's impressive. It's

911
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:34,800
Speaker 3: amazing and people really love on that music.

912
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like I think too, like what you said

913
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 2: earlier is it makes so much sense that and we

914
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 2: kind of alluded to this at the beginning of the interview,

915
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 2: but like you had to grow up so fast.

916
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,919
Speaker 1: Like and you were playing an adult role as a kid.

917
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 3: I was on my third apartment at that time, Like

918
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 3: I need someone who like has a home and has

919
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 3: like a career, and like can I can? I couldn't.

920
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 3: And it's just it's just the way the chips fell.

921
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 3: I know what I want, and I knew that. I

922
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 3: didn't know that I would fall in love with him.

923
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 3: I thought maybe it was just a fun challenge. I

924
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 3: was like, this will be this would be a good

925
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 3: story one day, and then I fell in love with

926
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 3: him and I was like, oh God. And then we've

927
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 3: adopted four hundred animals together, and now that we fully

928
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 3: have a life together, obviously is my husband and we've

929
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 3: been together for a very long time, and yeah, I

930
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 3: feel very lucky. Yeah.

931
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, And also like I you know, I mean, you

932
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 2: saw Jeremy and I were on the run together earlier.

933
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 2: I think like collaborating with your partner, even like before

934
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 2: you start dating, is such a good sign of like

935
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:38,720
Speaker 2: something that could potentially work out as a long term partnership. Yeah.

936
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 2: For context, foreverybody listening. You guys have like a twenty

937
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:42,320
Speaker 2: year age gap, right.

938
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, twenty one years, and I get daily. I mean

939
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 3: it's it's just a nightmare on online with people weighing

940
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 3: in and the funniest thing about the whole thing. Oh

941
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 3: it's terrible. I mean I read something. We been together

942
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 3: a long time, I know, but that doesn't make it better.

943
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 3: They think I read the funniest thing that came up,

944
00:37:58,040 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 3: and I'm really good at avoiding all of it. But

945
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 3: like anything I say, like I'll say this whole interview today,

946
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 3: and then they'll put like, what's the sad Billie Eilish song,

947
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 3: the one that's like like, they'll put that behind and

948
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 3: they'll be like, she doesn't even realize what she's saying

949
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 3: his brain. I'm like, no, I'm just happily married. It's okay.

950
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,320
Speaker 1: It happens, and you guys collaborate a decent face together.

951
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 2: We did.

952
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: I like what you've said though.

953
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 2: About like you're very intentional with when you work together

954
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 2: and where you don't.

955
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, so like let's talk a little musicians.

956
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 3: I mean, I think, like any two creative people and

957
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 3: any two musicians, you have to pick and choose, you

958
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 3: know what I mean, Like when you work together, if

959
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 3: it's worth it, if it's going to be a fighting situation.

960
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 3: Because we're both very strong willed, and we're both very

961
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 3: opinionated when it comes to music, and he's usually right.

962
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 3: But I sometimes just like a taste thing and if

963
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 3: it's not worth like what could ultimately be a fight,

964
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 3: I don't want to do it. Like on Dynasty, they

965
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 3: wanted me to sing early on and it got a

966
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 3: little I was like, well, let me let my husband

967
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 3: do the track and let me do the vocals. I

968
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,359
Speaker 3: caught my own vocals and record myself for everything, and

969
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 3: you know, he was big in helping me learn how

970
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 3: to do all of that. I think it's great for

971
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 3: any woman in the music industry or who does anything

972
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 3: with music and their voice to be able to record

973
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 3: and camp their own vocals. And he did, like all

974
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 3: the songs for Dynasty with me. He did the tracks

975
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 3: and he mixed them. And it's great to just you know,

976
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 3: have the cast come over our home and do it

977
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 3: there and know we're a good team. And yeah, it's

978
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 3: very nice having somebody that's skilled and talented around. It's

979
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 3: a big help, just like you guys work together. I mean,

980
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 3: to be able to do it all in house is

981
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 3: a wonderful thing.

982
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, And to be able to work with somebody that's

983
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 2: going to tell you how it is like without sugarcoating

984
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 2: it at all, is.

985
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:36,359
Speaker 1: You know, such a gift.

986
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and just like it's cool that you're

987
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 2: able to work with somebody that speaks the language.

988
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:42,439
Speaker 3: Oh he does. I mean we're not as we don't

989
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 3: even know. We'll be will My favorite thing is we'll

990
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 3: be out somewhere and they'll be like a chord he

991
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 3: knows I love, or that I like, come on and

992
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 3: the speaker of something, and I'll just go like that

993
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 3: and it'd be like, that's the five, you love the five,

994
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 3: or that's the two, because he knows all the music

995
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 3: theory stuff that I don't know, and yeah, I think

996
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,399
Speaker 3: the shorthand of that. And having extensive said to someone

997
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 3: the other day I make I don't think if anything happened,

998
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,439
Speaker 3: I don't think I could ever be with anyone who

999
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 3: didn't have the like deep extensive musical knowledge that Michael has.

1000
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 3: I think I'd lose my mind. It's just something that

1001
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 3: matters to me. So anyway, Yeah, it's so cool.

1002
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 2: How like music and acting is something that like you

1003
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:19,879
Speaker 2: love both.

1004
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 3: Like I do equally. I do. I love them equally.

1005
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 3: Sometimes I'll be mad at one and I'll go to

1006
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 3: the other one, But no, I love them both so much.

1007
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:27,720
Speaker 3: I can't I can't pick. Really.

1008
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,720
Speaker 2: When you were leaving Victorious, like when the show ended,

1009
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 2: we talked a little bit about how you have to

1010
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 2: be resilient in this industry. Did you ever have moments

1011
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 2: where Victorious ended and you were like, what do I

1012
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 2: want to go into next? Because I know you went.

1013
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 2: You did a horror film and then you did a comedy, a.

1014
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 3: Lifetime movie called Killing Daddy.

1015
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, very different, like to go horror and then comedy.

1016
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 2: So like, did you have a moment where you were like, well,

1017
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 2: what should I do?

1018
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 3: You think Killing Daddy is a comedy? In many ways?

1019
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: It was? Was it?

1020
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 3: No?

1021
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 1: No, there was a horror and then there was a comedy.

1022
00:40:58,120 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 2: No.

1023
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 3: I did a horror movie called Animal. You don't need

1024
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 3: to know these are not big projects. It's but your

1025
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 3: research is impressive. And then I did a Lifetime movie

1026
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 3: called Killing Daddy, which it brands itself as a psychological thriller.

1027
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 3: I think it's a comedy and it's like a camp

1028
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,399
Speaker 3: like in the same vein as Mommy Dearest, if you've

1029
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,760
Speaker 3: ever seen that, for my performance isn't as good anyway,

1030
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 3: She's saying.

1031
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 1: Daddy, Psycho, do you think this is a comedy?

1032
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 2: No?

1033
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 3: I love it. I love that you did, because you

1034
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 3: in a way You're right. No, yeah, I was like, well,

1035
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 3: I was just like, because I don't gonna hire me.

1036
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 3: I got very I got very nervous after Victorious because

1037
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 3: it's almost like you yeah Victorious when it ended, Yeah, eighteen,

1038
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:37,479
Speaker 3: So yeah, it was like eighteen or nineteen maybe nineteen mmm,

1039
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 3: I don't remember. It was one of one or the other.

1040
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 3: And I was like, oh God, I go, will people

1041
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 3: not hire me now because they only see me as

1042
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 3: like a kid actor And it was freaking me out

1043
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 3: because I'd been warned. But then I booked the FCS show,

1044
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 3: And ironically I booked the FCS show because even though

1045
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 3: it was an adult show where I was playing like

1046
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 3: a young rocker daughter to Dennis Leary, this you know,

1047
00:41:56,080 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 3: comedian's famous comedian, one of the producers kids had seen

1048
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,280
Speaker 3: me on Victorious, and Dennis was like, Oh, how funny

1049
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 3: would it be to Castro Nickelodeon on this racy adult

1050
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 3: TV show? And that's why I got cast I think,

1051
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 3: And also I was right for the part. But that

1052
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 3: was a great example of it working in my favor,

1053
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 3: and I'm really grateful for that. But then I did CW,

1054
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 3: which is like the logical next step after Nickelodeon. So

1055
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:18,399
Speaker 3: I went kind of like.

1056
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 2: And then pretty quickly like you were twenty three when

1057
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 2: you booked Dynasty, right and you started acting in that

1058
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 2: for the first time. So nineteen to twenty three, that's

1059
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 2: pretty fat.

1060
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 3: No, none even that I did. I did second drugs

1061
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 3: when I was twenty. I don't even think it was

1062
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 3: a year, That's what I'm saying, Like I cry, like, oh,

1063
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 3: I'll never work again, and then yeah.

1064
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 2: No.

1065
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 3: My biggest and longest gap, even though it was sort

1066
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 3: of an intentional gap, was probably after Dynasty, which was

1067
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 3: recent the last two or three years. But I did

1068
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 3: a lot of I learned to drive again. In that

1069
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 3: time I stopped driving, So I did a lot of

1070
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 3: like life things that I was like wanting you, Like,

1071
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 3: you're thirty, why don't you learn to drive a car again.

1072
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 3: That's like reconnect with your friends and like, you know,

1073
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 3: plant a garden and calm down for a minute. And

1074
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:56,879
Speaker 3: I did and it was good.

1075
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, you have to like Dynasty.

1076
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 2: I was watching an interview that you did where you

1077
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 2: were saying that you never knew going into it. How

1078
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 2: many seasons Dynasty would ever know.

1079
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 3: You always sign on for six no matter what, but

1080
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 3: like they don't go for six, they usually go for

1081
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 3: like two, and that one went for five, which is amazing.

1082
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: How many years five years? Five years?

1083
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, nine ten months out of the year.

1084
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 1: And you filmed like one hundred plus episode.

1085
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 3: It was a lot. And by the way, how lucky

1086
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 3: am I to be able to have that kind of

1087
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 3: consistent work and success. I'm not taking that for granted.

1088
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:31,359
Speaker 3: It was just a lot. It was just a lot.

1089
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 3: It was like, you know, I missed like every possible

1090
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 3: life event in that time just because I was working,

1091
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 3: which is what I wanted to do. So again, I'm

1092
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 3: not like a victim. It was a blessing and a

1093
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 3: gift to have a job like that. It was just

1094
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 3: I wanted to take time after that job to have

1095
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 3: a bit of normal life because it was so time

1096
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 3: consuming in like a in a different kind of way

1097
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 3: because theaters like two hours. They don't care where you

1098
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 3: come from or where you're going next. You just have

1099
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:57,839
Speaker 3: to go do your job for two hours and then

1100
00:43:58,080 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 3: good luck. I kind of love that.

1101
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 1: How do you keep going though?

1102
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 2: Like what, like what is the trick to like stamina

1103
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 2: in that situation because it's like, yeah, when you're filming

1104
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:09,839
Speaker 2: for five years, I love people, I really did.

1105
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,439
Speaker 3: I love the people I worked with on that show.

1106
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 3: The clothes I kept me going a little bit. They

1107
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 3: were really good, and I learned a lot about fashion

1108
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 3: on that show. And I made really great relationships which

1109
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 3: I've carried with me. But no, it's like you're in

1110
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 3: the trenches with these people and you get close to them.

1111
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:25,839
Speaker 3: I got really close with hair and makeup, really close

1112
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 3: with my cast, you know, you just the writers. You know,

1113
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 3: it's like you have to be able to laugh. I

1114
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 3: think you just have to be able to laugh and

1115
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 3: and uh, find ways to distress something I was not

1116
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,800
Speaker 3: very good on at during that show. Once my husband

1117
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 3: moved there and my dogs and everything, and I got

1118
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 3: married and then we moved there. It all happened during

1119
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 3: that time. That was a huge help because being able

1120
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 3: to come home and like he'd always have like it's

1121
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 3: a small thing, but he'd always have a candle lit

1122
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 3: for me, which is like I want to walk in

1123
00:44:50,800 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 3: and smell. I'm very into like candles and smells. And so.

1124
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 2: What were your methods to like chilling out, you know,

1125
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 2: going home with the dogs, candle it hanging out with

1126
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 2: your husband, like.

1127
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 1: Ye, what else?

1128
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 3: I would get a massage on to try to get

1129
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 3: a massage once a week, just like so I couldn't

1130
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 3: be on my phone and so I could busy, be

1131
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:18,919
Speaker 3: like quiet and relaxed a little bit. And I don't

1132
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:20,760
Speaker 3: really know. I really wasn't good at it, to be honest,

1133
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 3: I didn't. I carried the job with me every single day,

1134
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 3: and I acted like a producer on it, even though

1135
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 3: I definitely wasn't. I was too involved and I was

1136
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 3: too obsessed with it. But that's how I get with projects.

1137
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 3: I go all in. I want to like help promote it.

1138
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:35,359
Speaker 3: I want to do that on my Instagram. I make

1139
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 3: these like tasks and promises for myself and to myself

1140
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 3: that aren't really required of me. But I go all

1141
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 3: out when I'm passionate about something, and when I have

1142
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:46,800
Speaker 3: my name on something, I want it to be a success.

1143
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 3: So anything I can do, you'll do.

1144
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 2: Let's talk a little bit about Little Shop of Horrors,

1145
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 2: because yes, yeah, you have been doing it since February.

1146
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 1: It feels like it's gone so quickly.

1147
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 2: What has it been like being back on Broadway, being

1148
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 2: back with Graham Phillips, who was one of your co

1149
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 2: stars on thirteen, Like, what has this journey been like

1150
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 2: for you?

1151
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 3: It's been amazing. It's been so much more fulfilling than

1152
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,959
Speaker 3: I ever could have anticipated. I knew that it would

1153
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,839
Speaker 3: be a challenge. I knew that it would be very

1154
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 3: hard for me in the beginning vocally, and it's continued

1155
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 3: to be hard for me, and now actually I'm finally

1156
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 3: coming to a point where it's much less difficult for me,

1157
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:24,359
Speaker 3: which is amazing. I've gotten kind of like my sea

1158
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 3: legs back, or my vocal muscles back or whatever. But

1159
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 3: more than that, what it's done for me mentally and emotionally,

1160
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 3: I think I never could have I never could have guessed.

1161
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 3: It's really been probably the most meaningful project I've ever

1162
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 3: worked on, just because of where it came in my life,

1163
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:45,760
Speaker 3: and like the timing of the whole thing, and also

1164
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,399
Speaker 3: just what it was. I've wanted to play this role,

1165
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 3: and I wanted to be in the show since I

1166
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:52,879
Speaker 3: was a kid. So the fact that it happened when

1167
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 3: I was sort of like done with everything and I

1168
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:58,320
Speaker 3: didn't want to act anymore. So taking on this challenge

1169
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 3: at this kind of point in my life and bringing

1170
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:02,320
Speaker 3: me back and then it also having it be my

1171
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:04,840
Speaker 3: dream role of so long has been amazing, and I

1172
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 3: grew so much closer to the people I'm working with

1173
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 3: than I ever thought I could have. I mean, I

1174
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 3: love everybody at at that show so much. It's such

1175
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:17,959
Speaker 3: a special place, and we've had so much fun. And yeah,

1176
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 3: my family and all my friends close to me are

1177
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 3: just like, it's so nice to see you this happening

1178
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 3: and having so much fun. Because I think it was

1179
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 3: like a big part of what I wanted to do

1180
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 3: forever was musical theater, and you sort of get busy

1181
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 3: doing other things, and so when you're back doing like

1182
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 3: the true thing that made you fall in love with

1183
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 3: that that the only thing I've really been trained for

1184
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:37,800
Speaker 3: is musical theater. Like everything else, I sort of guessed

1185
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 3: and figured it out, but I only took like musical

1186
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 3: theater classes and improv classes weirdly growing up. So this

1187
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 3: has just been it's been the most fulfilling thing in

1188
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:48,240
Speaker 3: the entire world. It's been amazing. It's life changing.

1189
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 2: I love when actors go back to their roots and

1190
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 2: you know, start performing on Broadway again.

1191
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 3: I think you get called back like it's like before

1192
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 3: you're they're like, wait, before you stop doing this, we're

1193
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:00,839
Speaker 3: going to send you to those one And then it's

1194
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 3: like this opportunity presented itself and I was like, oh, yeah, okay,

1195
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 3: I'm not done at all, not at all.

1196
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 2: Right, It's amazing you go from Dynasty to grinding filming

1197
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 2: those episodes to then being like I need to take

1198
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 2: a little bit of time off, and then you're right

1199
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 2: back in like the hot seat on Broadway.

1200
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 3: I can do this grind. Yeah, this grind is like

1201
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 3: maybe because it's a different grind too. Yeah, this is

1202
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 3: a good grind for me right now. And again, I

1203
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 3: love the live of it all.

1204
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:22,760
Speaker 1: Do you think you'll stay?

1205
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 2: I mean, I know you're going to take a little

1206
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 2: bit of time off once the show, once you're part

1207
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:26,919
Speaker 2: on the show ends.

1208
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 1: Do you think you'll go back to live theater though?

1209
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 2: Like? Are there? So?

1210
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 3: I'm dying too, I'd love to. I would do it

1211
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 3: as soon as like Faller Winter maybe because I always

1212
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:38,359
Speaker 3: say I want to take a big break, and then

1213
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 3: four days in. I don't know how you are, but

1214
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, I'm ready to work again. I need

1215
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 3: to do something. I'm either're in work mode or I'm

1216
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 3: in not work mode, and they're both like perma mode.

1217
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:49,399
Speaker 3: So it's like I say, I want to take a break,

1218
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 3: but it only means like because now I'm back into

1219
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:55,320
Speaker 3: like my working obsessed headspace. Maybe two weeks.

1220
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for being with me to

1221
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 2: hear it today, for having me. Yes, do you a

1222
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 2: couple final shout outs? So little Shop of Horrors, Little

1223
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 2: Shop of Horrors.

1224
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 3: I'm only in it, yeah, until July twenty seventh, so

1225
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:12,479
Speaker 3: that's really soon. It's two weeks away, the day after

1226
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 3: my birthday, which is also symbolic and crazy, and so

1227
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 3: that's the next thing. And then I have a couple

1228
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:20,800
Speaker 3: other little things that I can't talk about yet, but

1229
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 3: that's that's the main thing right now. I'm just wrapping

1230
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 3: up this project and we'll see what comes next.

1231
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 2: Let's give one final piece of advice, kind of reflecting

1232
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 2: on everything we just talked about, but knowing what you

1233
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 2: know now, what would you tell your younger self?

1234
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 3: I would say, as well as you think you know yourself,

1235
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 3: when you're at a certain point in your life and

1236
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 3: you're like, I know for certain I'm never going to

1237
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 3: go do this thing again, or I'm done, or you

1238
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 3: can surprise yourself. You're never too old to surprise yourself

1239
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 3: and to fall back in love with something, or to

1240
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 3: challenge yourself. And you're never really done. When you think

1241
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 3: you're done. There's usually many more levels to go. So

1242
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:01,840
Speaker 3: I would say, keep pushing, keep persevering, keep moving, just

1243
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:05,399
Speaker 3: keep moving. Yeah, say you tied it in. That's why

1244
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 3: you have this show.

1245
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:08,240
Speaker 1: It's so true.

1246
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:10,399
Speaker 3: It is true though you probably have one more mile

1247
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 3: in you. Right when you think you're done, you probably

1248
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 3: do well.

1249
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 2: It's also just like, I feel like movement translates so

1250
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 2: much more than just physical And obviously it's fun to

1251
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 2: start with physical movement because it's like I did feel like.

1252
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 3: I had taken like an adderall or something. When I

1253
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:24,839
Speaker 3: sat down, I felt very clear and hyper. It's probably

1254
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 3: why I talked so much.

1255
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so nice. It's like instead of having a drink,

1256
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:29,439
Speaker 2: you can just go for a run.

1257
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, honestly, Yeah, maybe I'll start doing that when it

1258
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:32,839
Speaker 3: cools down.

1259
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 2: One thing that I want to ask you before we

1260
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:38,720
Speaker 2: wrap is because you and Arianna are such good friends

1261
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 2: and you guys have both gone on to lead these

1262
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 2: incredible careers. Do you two ever look back and reflect

1263
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 2: and say like, oh my god, I can't believe, like

1264
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 2: this is where we've come.

1265
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 3: We do it all the time, we actually really do.

1266
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 3: We're big reminiscences and we are constantly checking in on

1267
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 3: each other, but also like checking in on where we

1268
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 3: are and where we started and how surreal it all is.

1269
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 3: And I will always send her things to to just

1270
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:09,800
Speaker 3: be like, do you understand that you're nominated for an Oscar?

1271
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 3: I mean things like that. It's just unbelievable. It's wonderful.

1272
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 3: It's very cool that we've gotten to share so many

1273
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 3: of these milestone moments together. And yeah, we're proud of

1274
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 3: each other. It's great to have a friend that you

1275
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:25,360
Speaker 3: grow with, they to grow with and to go on

1276
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 3: this journey with. Yeah. Yeah, definitely that's a wrap.

1277
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:32,760
Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you, thank you so much for listening

1278
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:35,280
Speaker 2: to today's episode with Liz. If you guys are enjoying

1279
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 2: Post Run High, please be sure to follow us on

1280
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:41,680
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1281
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,800
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1282
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:49,200
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1283
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:50,280
Speaker 2: see you guys next week