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Speaker 1: Ridiculous crime. It's a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Elizabeth.

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Speaker 3: There. How you doing, I'm good? How you doing?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing, darm good. I'm fired up and been drinking

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Speaker 2: all my pepper juice. I'm right to go. How about you?

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Speaker 3: Okay? Yeah, I'm good.

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Speaker 4: You look at Yeah, I look like an executive. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I look like a captain of industry.

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Speaker 2: You do? You have tycoon energy? So I got to

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Speaker 2: ask you, tycoon, what I do.

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Speaker 3: Johnsonville Brats teamed up with Doctor Pepper to make.

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Speaker 2: Sausages just going just right in the gut like that.

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Speaker 4: Huh Yeah, I run Dr Pepper being you know, made

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Speaker 4: up of twenty three different flavors and it's gonna listen,

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Speaker 4: but you know it's to hell with it.

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Speaker 2: But why did they combine with a what.

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Speaker 3: Johnson pork sausage?

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Speaker 2: Doctor porker? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I mean you cook, you cook sausages and beer. Some

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Speaker 3: people cook them and cook cola.

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Speaker 2: Really. Oh yeah, this is all new to me. So

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Speaker 2: why did they decide to do that?

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Speaker 3: Why does anyone do any Why did you want to

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Speaker 3: tell me? I just wanted to.

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Speaker 4: Get that one over with. Sophia Smith from Instagram gave

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Speaker 4: it to us Doctor pepper sausage is boom done.

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Speaker 2: Oh man, Okay, I'm gonna skip past that because Elizabeth,

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Speaker 2: you know I recently told you the story of the

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Speaker 2: King of bank Robbers. Yes, George Leonidas Leslie. Yes, this

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Speaker 2: week I have a follow up. It's the modern twenty

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Speaker 2: first century story of the King of counterfeitters. Oh, mister

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Speaker 2: Jeffrey Turner.

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Speaker 3: Oh hello, Well, I.

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Speaker 2: Think the best way of I'm just trying to sum

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Speaker 2: up or express why jeff Turner is both the King

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Speaker 2: of counterfeiters and also why I love his story can

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Speaker 2: be summed up in one sentence. Okay, and I quote

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Speaker 2: I used Bible paper to print over two million dollars.

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Speaker 3: That's fair. That's layered like the Bible.

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Speaker 2: This is Ridiculous Crime, a podcast about absurd and outrageous capers, heists,

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Speaker 2: and cons. It's always ninety nine percent murder free and

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Speaker 2: one hundred percent ridiculous. Yes, sir, Elizabeth, you're ready to

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Speaker 2: get wicked with it.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna get so wicked right now.

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Speaker 2: This one's thick like a stack.

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Speaker 3: Of radical batical let's do it.

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Speaker 2: Look we're getting wicked with funny money, a bunch of

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Speaker 2: Cleveland heroin dealers and some counterfeit money printed on Bible

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Speaker 2: papers sideways immediately. Okay, well, if I got a story

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Speaker 2: for you today, I warn you this, Like I said, supersize,

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Speaker 2: so buckle up, BUTTERCA meet Jeffrey Patrick Turner. Hello, as

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Speaker 2: the Tennessee And reported on December twenty second, twenty seventeen,

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Speaker 2: the criminal road for jeff Turner came to a sudden,

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Speaker 2: surprising end real quick. You see, it had all been

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Speaker 2: going so well, Elizabeth. He had no idea, no even

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Speaker 2: clear foresight of this ever occurring, and boom, suddenly his

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Speaker 2: road ended. Now he's already done his time inside and

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Speaker 2: he's since been released and he's rebuilding his life. Part

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Speaker 2: of that involves telling his story online. In fact, Elizabeth,

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Speaker 2: you know how you told me a story about a

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Speaker 2: fraudster named Matthew Cox. Yes, well, yes, he said he

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Speaker 2: had a true crime book series.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he wound up becoming like true crime dude on

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Speaker 4: YouTube and the Internet.

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Speaker 2: And yes, he interviews his fellow former jailbirds.

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Speaker 3: Tell me how you got their number two? He knows

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Speaker 3: the deal.

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Speaker 2: They opened up to him in a different way because

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Speaker 2: he's been inside. They respect that. It's like con to

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Speaker 2: con so Matt Cox, he spoke with Jeff Turner. It

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Speaker 2: was a live conversation. Oh yeah, a lot of inside baseball.

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Speaker 2: But not only did he talk to your boy, Matt Cox.

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Speaker 2: Jeff Turner's also spoken with a number of other podcasts,

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Speaker 2: and he now has his own YouTube channel.

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Speaker 2: He makes videos explaining what he did, how he became

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Speaker 2: the king of counterfeitters. He basically faces the camera and

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Speaker 2: just didn't run on sentences. In heroin dipp Street Talk,

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Speaker 2: he tells his story. Okay, it's wild. Anyway, there isn't

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Speaker 2: then you have to like go digging into pacer. It's interesting.

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Speaker 2: So I did, though, watch every video I could. I

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Speaker 2: I pieced together what I think is his crime story.

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Speaker 2: First things first, Elizabeth, can you imagine telling a judge

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Speaker 3: No, I cannot think. I just simply cannot so.

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Speaker 2: Where to begin. Well, as the old jazz heads used

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Speaker 2: to say, let's begin at the beginning. Jeff Turner starts

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Speaker 2: out in Florida. As he tells it, I guess it

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Speaker 2: all started when I was probably like sixteen years old.

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Speaker 2: I would say, I started counterfeiting driver's licensees, fake id's,

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Speaker 2: and it's just from my own thing to like buy

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Speaker 2: he's start small, just king. I'm in. I don't know

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Speaker 2: about you. Did you have a fake ID? Do you

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Speaker 2: Okay, well I had a fake ID. I actually bought it.

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Speaker 2: And it was a friend of mine who was twenty one.

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Speaker 2: He just sold me his driver's license. And problem for

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Speaker 2: me was he was this Jewish cat, like a white

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Speaker 2: And most of the times when I presented, the people

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, you buy the stuff, or let me in

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Speaker 2: the club or let me in the bar. It was

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Speaker 2: awesome and anyway, Jeff Turner's like, no, we're doing legit

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Speaker 2: fake IDs, And so he made real clean forgeries of

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Speaker 2: and so he'd be printing up these IDs, laminating the

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Speaker 2: fake IDs like they would basically trick anyone but a cop. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So at this point he's like, you know, maybe I

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Speaker 2: should go bigger than that. Maybe I should like, you know,

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Speaker 3: Why not?

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Speaker 2: And I mean, you're young, you do need to challenge yourself. So,

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Speaker 2: as Jeff Turner puts it, by the time I was

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Speaker 2: nineteen years old, I started attempting to counterfeit currency. And

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Speaker 2: I think originally it was just kind of like a

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Speaker 2: I had no experience in it. They looked horrible. Oh no, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but this didn't really matter because he wasn't really going

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he was just like, they don't pull out the

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Speaker 2: No, yeah, the counterfeit pen. No. He was like basically,

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Speaker 2: you know, as he puts it, first time I started,

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Speaker 2: buy weed, you know, in a parking lot in the dark,

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Speaker 2: this whole plan is to rip off drug dealers.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, who are they gonna tell? Well, they may come

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Speaker 4: after you, but there is that risk.

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Speaker 2: There's always that risk. They may get mad, they may

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Speaker 2: try to beat the money out of you. You know,

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Speaker 2: there's options. He's nineteen years old, and he didn't have

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Speaker 3: So yeah, he didn't have much of a plan.

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Speaker 2: No, brother, I've been there, But Providence showed him a

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Speaker 2: new way. Now, as Jeff Turner recalls, quote, I ended

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Speaker 2: up going to a Barnes and Noble and finding this

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Speaker 2: book The Art of Making Money, about a counterfetter up

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Speaker 2: in Chicago named Art Williams. That names sound familiar, and.

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Speaker 3: It certainly does. I told you all about him.

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Speaker 2: Right, So that guy in his book, he becomes this,

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Speaker 2: you know, Counterfeiter's Bible for Jeff. He's like, okay, this

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Speaker 2: is my gospel of crime. He follows whatever Art Williams

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Speaker 5: Well, he was meticulous, right, yes, exactly, So, I mean

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Speaker 5: his he details in the book his process about how

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Speaker 5: he would make his counterfeit bills and how he'd sandwich

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Speaker 5: he'd used this stuff called chroma flare chameleon car paint

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Speaker 2: Like you said, meticulous.

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Speaker 2: So now we got this nineteen year old who's been

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Speaker 2: So his new goal now isn't to just rip off

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Speaker 2: Florida weed dealers. Now he's like, what if I ripped

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Speaker 2: off a billion dollar corporations? Perfect right, Well, he's like, okay,

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Speaker 2: So now he's a nineteen year old with quote a

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Speaker 2: his technique was rudimentary At first, he makes a product

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Speaker 2: that's good enough that he finds a buyer for his

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Speaker 2: to be a career criminal. Okay, so he's like, oh, hey,

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Speaker 2: So he shows his friend's dad or you know, his

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Speaker 2: friend shows his dad some of Jeff Turner's fake twenty

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Speaker 2: So now he's going to be making five thousand dollars

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Speaker 4: He's like, when you have to sell candy bars for

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Speaker 3: Then one of the parents is like, oh, forget about it. Here,

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Speaker 2: Yes, So his friend's dad's like, gonna pay him essentially

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Speaker 2: one thousand dollars for five thousand counterfeit. So this goes well,

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Speaker 2: This arrangement works out for him. It lasts about six months,

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Speaker 2: but unfortunately, sadly, his friend od's and passes away. So

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Speaker 2: just whole. His one person market dries up, so he

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Speaker 2: gets into a different hustle, one with way more buyers.

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Speaker 4: It's not like a wake up call of like my

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Speaker 4: friend died and no, maybe I.

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Speaker 2: Need to In fact, quite the opposite. He starts selling drugs.

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Speaker 2: Oh god, oxy pills, opioidspent and all that kind of

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Speaker 2: street drugs, right like street heroin. Now one occupational hazard

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Speaker 2: of selling drugs that you start doing the drugs you sell,

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Speaker 2: as you know, as Big barn as in the Crack commandments,

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Speaker 2: never get high in your own supply exactly. Jeff Turner

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Speaker 2: starts selling drugs, starts doing drugs, and through all of

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Speaker 2: this quote I developed quite a drug habit.

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Speaker 3: Oh god.

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Speaker 2: Oops. But he's still in his hustle because basically he's

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Speaker 2: trying to make his drugs cheaper by selling drugs to

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Speaker 2: Eliab Okay, listen to some ear candy and by that

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Speaker 2: Where were we? Oh right, Jeff Turner needs money? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: He'll be what Look, what strange person, Elizabeth Jeff made

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Speaker 2: But you know, heroin connections are a lot like rainbow connections,

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Speaker 2: Anyway, this is where Jeff's story takes, like I said,

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Speaker 2: How's your heart or some diapers? My sisters got diapers.

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Speaker 2: He may be wondering why have all things holy? What

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Speaker 2: say spend money, huh, Well to that, I would just

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Speaker 2: that really is the king of the drugs that scrambles

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Speaker 4: give me any more than a leave.

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00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:36,240
Speaker 2: Is that like a motron?

436
00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:39,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's yeah, it's a kin to that. Yeah it's yeah.

437
00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:40,080
Speaker 3: It was rough.

438
00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:43,000
Speaker 2: That is bad. Yeah, like I used to It doesn't

439
00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:44,800
Speaker 2: matter what I used to do with pain pills, not

440
00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:47,720
Speaker 2: to friends. That's not the story, Elizabeth. So like I'm

441
00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:49,560
Speaker 2: off the flame, Old Jeff. He heads over to the

442
00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:51,840
Speaker 2: Heroin dealer's house to see what's what. And this guy

443
00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,000
Speaker 2: he lives on the good side of Knoxville, like the

444
00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:56,360
Speaker 2: west side of Knoxville, up wind.

445
00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:58,720
Speaker 3: Right, like Johnny Knoxville totally.

446
00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:02,119
Speaker 2: So when Jeff gets there, by the way, congratulations to

447
00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:05,080
Speaker 2: PJ Clap. I just saw that Johnny Knoxhill got married, Nott.

448
00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:06,399
Speaker 3: Married and do you see who officiated?

449
00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:09,160
Speaker 2: John Waters right, and there's a dog involved, which I'm

450
00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:10,000
Speaker 2: sure you gotta love.

451
00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:11,119
Speaker 3: Oh I do. I love that.

452
00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:16,639
Speaker 4: It looked joyous, Yeah, absolute joyous Johnny and seemed happy.

453
00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:17,800
Speaker 3: He seems like a good dude.

454
00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:20,160
Speaker 2: I like him. I'm pumping he doesn't milk shake duck ever,

455
00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:22,159
Speaker 2: because I bet chips on him. I'm like, all right, I

456
00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:23,440
Speaker 2: think he seems like a good guy.

457
00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:25,560
Speaker 3: I've been a fan since back in the day, yeah.

458
00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:28,240
Speaker 2: From the jump yep. So. But anyway, when Jeff gets

459
00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:30,840
Speaker 2: to the trap house on the west side of Knoxville,

460
00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:33,040
Speaker 2: he knocks. Someone comes to the door lets him in,

461
00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:34,960
Speaker 2: but he doesn't know this person. It's just this like

462
00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:37,639
Speaker 2: big dude. So the dude like starts to pat down Jeff,

463
00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:39,399
Speaker 2: looking for like a weapon or maybe for like a

464
00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:42,320
Speaker 2: police wire, I don't know. Jeff is bothered by this,

465
00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:43,280
Speaker 2: perhaps insulted.

466
00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:44,560
Speaker 3: He's like, hey, we just met.

467
00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:46,480
Speaker 2: He's literally he says, like the way he tells the

468
00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:48,879
Speaker 2: story is what are you doing? Bro? Like, why are

469
00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:51,840
Speaker 2: you patting me down right, he talks like like a

470
00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:53,800
Speaker 2: Tarantino character. All of a sudden, he tells that part

471
00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:56,399
Speaker 2: of the story anyway. Since he's not wired up and

472
00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:58,800
Speaker 2: not carrying hardware, the stranger lets him into the house,

473
00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,000
Speaker 2: takes him into the back to me the heroin dealer

474
00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:04,400
Speaker 2: that Jeff knows his former co worker from the sign company. Yeah,

475
00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:06,520
Speaker 2: he tells it. I was like, you know, I was

476
00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:09,240
Speaker 2: told you got some heroin and he's like yeah. He

477
00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:12,000
Speaker 2: opens up this safe, pulls out just like a freezer

478
00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:16,240
Speaker 2: bag full of dope, and I was shocked. I was like,

479
00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:20,560
Speaker 2: holy groul, I didn't know you had it like that.

480
00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:24,640
Speaker 2: Now that's that's how he discovered his old coworker has

481
00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:27,639
Speaker 2: turned into a big time heroin dealer. Who does indeed

482
00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:28,359
Speaker 2: have it like that?

483
00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:29,520
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

484
00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:31,879
Speaker 2: The Jeff knows he's at the right place, so he

485
00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,159
Speaker 2: gets down to business. He scores some h and then

486
00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:36,199
Speaker 2: he tells the big time dealer I was having serious

487
00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:36,880
Speaker 2: money troubles.

488
00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:39,200
Speaker 3: He's like, oh, by the way, yes, yes, I can't

489
00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:39,800
Speaker 3: afford this.

490
00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:42,639
Speaker 2: So they sides up the obvious issue of Jeff buying

491
00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:45,160
Speaker 2: the heroin, and instead the dealer offers him some vice

492
00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:47,400
Speaker 2: about how to like make some serious lute to save

493
00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:50,360
Speaker 2: his family Heroin deos. First idea is like, why don't

494
00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:54,119
Speaker 2: you sell Heroin? It works well for this, like have

495
00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:58,480
Speaker 2: you seen my big house? Jeff's like he's like, I

496
00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:00,240
Speaker 2: don't know, and they got The dealer's like, I'll bunch,

497
00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:01,879
Speaker 2: you've man, you can like you can sell it, you

498
00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:03,879
Speaker 2: can pay me back and then just come and re up.

499
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,440
Speaker 2: We could do it again. Just like, nah, I need

500
00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:08,359
Speaker 2: more money than that, like faster than that. I don't

501
00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:10,920
Speaker 2: really know enough people to become a Heroin dealer.

502
00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:11,600
Speaker 3: And that takes work.

503
00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,280
Speaker 2: No, No, He's literally it's like he's no longer in

504
00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:16,080
Speaker 2: the life. Remember he's gonna have had a straight job.

505
00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,560
Speaker 2: There's no Heroin people anymore, not like he did in Florida. Right,

506
00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:21,719
Speaker 2: So he's like, okay, you know what my plan is

507
00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:24,760
Speaker 2: is to rob banks and the Heroin dealers. Like, okay,

508
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:27,760
Speaker 2: that's a choice. Heroin dealer listened. So he's like, you know,

509
00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:29,719
Speaker 2: by the way, man, that is not a good idea.

510
00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,800
Speaker 2: What else you got? So Jeff brings up his plan

511
00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,520
Speaker 2: I guess c At this point he says like, oh,

512
00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,119
Speaker 2: I also planned on counterfeiting money. I used to do

513
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:39,879
Speaker 2: that in Florida when I was a kid, Like I

514
00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,720
Speaker 2: go back to that. The heroin Dealer's like, no, that's

515
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:43,840
Speaker 2: a good idea, right.

516
00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,240
Speaker 3: He's like, I could use a little bit of I

517
00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:47,879
Speaker 3: could diversify.

518
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,600
Speaker 2: But for real, But Elizabeth, this was not a good

519
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,639
Speaker 2: idea because to the criminally minded it sounds like a

520
00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:54,880
Speaker 2: good idea like, oh, you need money, you can make money.

521
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,320
Speaker 3: Boom done, literally make money.

522
00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,040
Speaker 2: But the two of them, they start shopping it up

523
00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:01,520
Speaker 2: in the big time. Heroin dealer says basically exactly what

524
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,119
Speaker 2: you said. If you start printing one hundred dollar bills,

525
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:05,200
Speaker 2: I'll buy them off you man.

526
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:05,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

527
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 2: So this is a huge relief to Jeff. He's like,

528
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:11,080
Speaker 2: oh man, I've got a buyer again. So you know,

529
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 2: I think, well he put it this way. I figured

530
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 2: that was the safest bet, especially with like a newborn child.

531
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:20,720
Speaker 3: You know, okay, you dress everybody.

532
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:22,200
Speaker 2: That statement speaks for itself.

533
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the safest bet with a newborn child, one

534
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:28,320
Speaker 4: hundred percent. I mean that's if you look at any

535
00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:29,879
Speaker 4: of the parenting books.

536
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:35,160
Speaker 2: It's like a page three, page three counterfeiting money.

537
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,200
Speaker 4: You need to make ends meet. So Jeff, if you

538
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 4: will first talk it over with your heroin dealer.

539
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:45,040
Speaker 2: Could find somebody to consult with, prevorably someone in the

540
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 2: life God. So if you're left wondering like I was

541
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:51,639
Speaker 2: when I first read this, why Jeff, why it is

542
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 2: Jeff Turner, He's got an answer for you. He says,

543
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:55,920
Speaker 2: I've always kind of had, I hate to say it,

544
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 2: but kind of a criminal mentality, you know, like do

545
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:00,880
Speaker 2: whatever it takes to get by make you know, I'm

546
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:04,919
Speaker 2: always down for a hustle and no kidding jem So

547
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 2: at this point, right he tells the heroin dealer like

548
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 2: I can make funny money, and the heroin dealers Jeffrey

549
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 2: calls he was exciting for it. He's like, what do

550
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 2: you need? How can I help? Which I mean like

551
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 2: if you leave the crime part aside, his attitude is admirable.

552
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:19,200
Speaker 3: Very supportive.

553
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,160
Speaker 2: As a former cow sid. You come to me, He's like, Hey,

554
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,159
Speaker 2: what do you need? How can I help? And when

555
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 2: you put the crime part back in, not such a

556
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 2: great attitude anyway, back to the crime part. So Jeff

557
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,239
Speaker 2: jumps at the offer. He tells the heroin dealer what

558
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,640
Speaker 2: he would need to get started. So I told him,

559
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,639
Speaker 2: you know, give me like a few hundred dollars or

560
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 2: some dope. So I'm not sick, and I'll bring you

561
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,680
Speaker 2: an envelope with like these counterfeit twenty dollars bills. I'll

562
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 2: bring you like five grand a fake twenties, and you

563
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,680
Speaker 2: can re up with them, do whatever you want with them.

564
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 2: So he did that. He gave me a few hundred

565
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 2: bucks to like buy a nice printer, to buy some

566
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 2: supplies I needed. I think he gave me like a

567
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,440
Speaker 2: few grams of heroin too, you know, just so I'm

568
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 2: not dope sick while I sat at home and edited

569
00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:01,440
Speaker 2: these images and made some bills. Oh my god, got

570
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 2: the newborn at home.

571
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 3: So oh god. So he holds up, just just.

572
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 2: Okay, you're gonna survive it.

573
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:10,160
Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm gonna pull through.

574
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 2: Jeff starts making counterfeit twenties for this big time heroin dealer.

575
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,879
Speaker 2: He gets himself the printer, He prints up materials to

576
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,119
Speaker 2: make the five thousand dollars in fake twenties. Then he

577
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 2: brings an envelope stuffed with the counterfeit five grand. He

578
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 2: sells it to the heroin dealer. Dude looks it over.

579
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:27,680
Speaker 2: He's like some good, good looking funny money. Oh he

580
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 2: said it cooler than that. Obviously, I don't know what

581
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:30,159
Speaker 2: he said.

582
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:35,439
Speaker 3: He said, well, shazam, oh take them. Well this is

583
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 3: a pretty penny.

584
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 2: Why ain't those the cat's pajamas. So he takes the

585
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 2: envelope and he has some young women in his employee

586
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 2: take the fake twenties out, test them, make some small

587
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:46,920
Speaker 2: purchases to come back with legit money they got has

588
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 2: change works beautifully. Women come back with a bunch of

589
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 2: money big time heroin.

590
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,359
Speaker 3: Dealers like lags of hot cheetahs.

591
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,120
Speaker 2: Exactly all the hot cheetahs you can eat.

592
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 3: Broke them at Now.

593
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,479
Speaker 2: The first envelope he makes was free because he had

594
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,359
Speaker 2: to pay off the debts he'd already encourage. He I

595
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 2: guess he got like a thousand dollars worth of like

596
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,439
Speaker 2: supply money and then dope money. So now he's got

597
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 2: to make one. So now the guy offers him twenty

598
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,880
Speaker 2: cents on the dollar. So for each envelope, Jeff, he's

599
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 2: gonna be making about thousand dollars. At this point, Jeff

600
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:15,880
Speaker 2: wants to step it up. He's like, you know, by

601
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 2: the way, I've been working on one hundred dollars bill

602
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:19,159
Speaker 2: and i'd like to, like, you know, go for that

603
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 2: if you're interested.

604
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,680
Speaker 4: And the dealer's like, yeah, he's like, he's like a

605
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:26,359
Speaker 4: fake bill Somalia.

606
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,160
Speaker 3: Well, perhaps the sir, you would be interested.

607
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 2: In I have an excellent ninety six series if you're

608
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,640
Speaker 2: interested in one hundred. It's one of Ben Franklin's finest portraits.

609
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 2: But when't you know it, Elizabeth, just as you believe

610
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:43,159
Speaker 2: he's got things going again, Fate steps in again. You're kidding, yeah, because,

611
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 2: as Jeff says, by the time I got these hundreds,

612
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 2: like good, you know what I mean, Like I was

613
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 2: confident with them, his house gets raided. He goes to jail.

614
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:55,119
Speaker 2: So now his one buyer is out again. Yeah, this

615
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 2: is bad because he's got that envelope of counterfeit money

616
00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 2: that he's made for him and he's like and also

617
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 2: he's delivered one envelope. Yeah, so now the cops. When

618
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,880
Speaker 2: cops see an envelope of five thousand dollars in fake money,

619
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 2: they tend to ask questions, but where did you get this?

620
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 2: Who made this? What is his name for? Prince? So

621
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 2: when you're arrested, those kind of questions also become like

622
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,719
Speaker 2: a currency, like you can use those top your plea bargain.

623
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 2: So now Jeff has to wonder did his former co

624
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,919
Speaker 2: worker turn big time heroin dealer turned criminal business partner

625
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 2: snitch on him to reduce his own sentence. The way

626
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 2: Jeff remembers, it was like the police got him with

627
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 2: meth and heroin and counterfeit money. I heard he was

628
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 2: in jail. I look him up online. I see his mugshot.

629
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 2: I see a possession of counterfeit currency on his charges.

630
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 2: So it spooked me, you know what I mean. I

631
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 2: was like, oh, I hope he's not cooperating on me

632
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 2: or whatever.

633
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 4: He should have gone and visited him in jail and

634
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:50,360
Speaker 4: asked him in person.

635
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 2: And this is where a heroin user or you know,

636
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 2: even dealer often won't hear the irony in their choices

637
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 2: because remember, his primary counterfeit money buyers locked up flipping

638
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,399
Speaker 2: on him. What does Jeff need to do, Well, he

639
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 2: needs to flee. He now has to leave his house.

640
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 2: He can't be there, so the very reason he's making

641
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,880
Speaker 2: the counterfeit money stable housing is now gone, right Yeah,

642
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 2: And he skips right past that. He's like, that is

643
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 2: not a lesson to be learned, right, now.

644
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,199
Speaker 4: Is he going to leave solo or is he going

645
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 4: to pick up the whole family?

646
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 2: Oh? You know, he's taking the whole family with him.

647
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 2: He doesn't want them flipping on him. Not to kid,

648
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 2: he's literally trying to care for his family. So he's like, what,

649
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,679
Speaker 2: daddy needs his ah, and you need housing, let's go.

650
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 3: Yeah. And moving's so cheap.

651
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. So they flee the trap house he's in, and

652
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 2: he takes his wife and has four small children with him,

653
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 2: and they go stay in a hotel, like one of

654
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 2: those extended stay places, one that's furnished. So he's got

655
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 2: now all these counterfeit hundreds that he's made and no

656
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 2: one to sell them to. So what should he do? Well,

657
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 2: he quickly decides he needs to break his own rule

658
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 2: and go bust his counterfeit cash himself. Yeah, pass them

659
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 2: off to drug store cashiers, dollar store clerks.

660
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 3: You get the idea, kids go in, have the kids

661
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 3: do it.

662
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 2: Oh, there you go, that's stubbly smart. He decides his

663
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 2: hundreds are good enough to risk his own freedom and

664
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 2: he passes them for real cash and change. So, now,

665
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 2: how did he make these counterfeit bills? Great question? I mean,

666
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 2: if they're good enough to pass, Like, what's his secret?

667
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 2: I've been waiting for you to ask.

668
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 3: Well, I like to keep you in suspense.

669
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 2: I appreciate that. So some counterfeiters, they will take one

670
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,239
Speaker 2: dollar bills, bleach the hell out of them, and then

671
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 2: print one hundred dollars on that small bill. Right, But

672
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 2: this is a heinous process because you imagine mixing some

673
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 2: of the worst chemicals known demand to strip the money

674
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 2: of its Jeff tells it this way. I have to

675
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 2: put in purple power, automotive degreaser and hydrogen peroxide and

676
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 2: then microwave it and then take a sander and file

677
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 2: it down.

678
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 3: This sounds like they're cooking meth pretty much.

679
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just like the really pretty much the

680
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,719
Speaker 2: same cookboard or a cookbooks. It's just like your cupboard,

681
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 2: I guess, is what I was meant to say. Yeah,

682
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 2: you're pulling from the same cupboard. Anyway, when you're doing

683
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 2: all that, some of the bills don't make it through

684
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 2: the process. You lose ten to twenty percent of the bills.

685
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 2: It's inefficient, it's toxic. So Jeff's like, I can do

686
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 2: better than this. So what's his new plan? Great question,

687
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 2: Elizabeth His new plan is take an inkjet printer and

688
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 2: just print up some money.

689
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 4: Okay, on an inkjet inkjet pressure, you know what happens

690
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 4: when that gets wet?

691
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,959
Speaker 2: Oh there is that, but the ink run. How the

692
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 2: hell would an inkjet printer work just to print money? Like, well,

693
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 2: another banger question. So start with, you can't scan a

694
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 2: hundred dollar braill and just print one side and then

695
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 2: print the other side after you scan that other side,

696
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 2: and then to glue the two together, like the way

697
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 2: Art Williams did. Yeh, because I'm not sure if you

698
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 2: know this. I didn't know this. If you scan one

699
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 2: hundred dollar bill, the scanner is programmed not to allow

700
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 2: you to upload the image, and instead it just kind

701
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 2: of shows you a warning of a US penal code onterfitting. Yeah,

702
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 2: so that was Jeff Turns experience at least. So this

703
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 2: guy's smart. So he's like, well, how do I get

704
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 2: around that?

705
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 3: So you buy a scanner off of like t move

706
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 3: from China. I don't care.

707
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 2: I don't know that, I think even I don't know.

708
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 2: So he makes digital files by taking photographs of the

709
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 2: one hundred dollars bills. Oh, he turns those images into

710
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 2: layers about using photoshop, so he used like what he

711
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 2: had learned at the old sign shop. Right, So, as

712
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 2: Jeff says, I would layer it, I'd layer the image.

713
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 2: I use like three or four different layers. Like one

714
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 2: would just be the background color, that cream color. Now

715
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 2: you see, as I mentioned earlier, the ninety six series,

716
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 2: that's an actual series of bills. It's the older one

717
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 2: hundred dollars. So that's not the new one that's nicknamed

718
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 2: the blue note that we have now that you see

719
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 2: that is all new security features. The ninety six series

720
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 2: had this old creamy green bill design, right.

721
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 3: So stillse don't have this the hologram strip to.

722
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 2: They do it, but they have a strip, but not

723
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 2: the new strip, which is much crazier to imitate. So

724
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 2: Jeff explains, I'd have one file with just this cream

725
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 2: background color, and then another file with just the green

726
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 2: serial numbers, and then the Treasury seal, and then another

727
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 2: file with all the black ink like you know, the

728
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:47,959
Speaker 2: Federal Reserve seal, the portrait all that.

729
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 3: You know, it's really sad Ai is going to take

730
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 3: his job.

731
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 2: It's so sad.

732
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 3: It's so sad.

733
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 2: The counterfeiters are one of the few people who are

734
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,959
Speaker 2: stoked about AI taking their job because it's still illegal.

735
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 2: We're just doing it together, were working, we're both stealing.

736
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 2: So he creates the image, right he Now he has

737
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 2: to print it up. And you can't just use normal

738
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 2: paper and then glue those pieces together. It won't look

739
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 2: or feel right, right, So what do you use? Well,

740
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 2: Jeff says, he visited all the usual suspects places you're

741
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 2: familiar with. Look for instance, every single art supply, Star,

742
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 2: hobby Lobby, Michaels and they I mentioned. He goes online

743
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 2: like you would, and he researches types of paper and

744
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 2: he gets really familiar with all the various types of

745
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 2: paper in the bond and then he finds, okay, I

746
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 2: need nine pound bond paper so that when he prints

747
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 2: on the paper and glues the two sites together combined

748
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 2: to the weight that he believes a dollar bill to be,

749
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 2: which is twenty pound paper. So you have like the

750
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 2: two nines glued together, some glue in between and whatnot,

751
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 2: you get to twenty pound paper. So this is his plan, right,

752
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 2: and your boy art Williams He used to use newspapers for.

753
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 3: His g the like tail end of the roles.

754
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 2: Exactly, so Jeff was like, I think I can do

755
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 2: better than that, so he did. Our term is he

756
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 2: needs a very thin paper, but one that's still opaque,

757
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 2: like you can't see through it, right, So he can

758
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 2: that way, he can add the security strip and the

759
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 2: water mark, but not be able to see through the

760
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 2: face of his fake bill. So also he needs the

761
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 2: paper to feel crisp and to kind of like pop

762
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,959
Speaker 2: the way real money does if you like snap it

763
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 2: like a belt. And the reason you get that crispness

764
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 2: is like, for at least for instance, of a new bill,

765
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 2: the pop of a bill is because it's cotton linen, right, Yeah,

766
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 2: so it's more like cloth than actual typical paper. Well,

767
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 2: Jeff finds the perfect paper to use. It's called scrit

768
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 2: a paper. Yeah, I'd never heard of this. It's this

769
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 2: rare type of paper that you find in expensive bibles.

770
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 3: Interesting, Yeah, Jeff remembers it.

771
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 2: It was literally perfect. If you shine a UV light

772
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 2: onto high end scrit a paper, it glows a dull purple,

773
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 2: just like money. Whereas most paper, pretty much all paper

774
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 2: is bleached in the manufacturing process, so it glows like

775
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 2: a bright fluorescent blue. But this high end scrit a

776
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 2: paper glowed purple and UV light. It was opaque, it

777
00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 2: was thin, it was durable. It's cotton linen blended paper,

778
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 2: literally perfect. So now Jeff just needs to get his

779
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 2: hands on a bunch of this Bible paper and he's

780
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 2: good to go. Trouble is, as Jeff tells it, I

781
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 2: found a by it. It was like these big manufacturing

782
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 2: companies that only sell it in these giant reams. It

783
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 2: would come on a palette in like a preate truck.

784
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 2: So I'd have to you know, sign for that. I

785
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 2: need a forklift just to move this palette of paper.

786
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 2: So that options out. So no bulk Bible paper purchases

787
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 2: for Jeff. What next? Well, and he could always you know,

788
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 2: steal pages out of a Bible. You see in the

789
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 2: backs of bibles there are often blank pages for like

790
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 2: note taking, sulful reflections or whatever. Yeah, so Jeff starts

791
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 2: visiting bookstores walmarts, and he goes to the Bible section

792
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 2: and he just cuts out pages from the backs of

793
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 2: expensive bibles, then shoves them down his pants and walks out.

794
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 2: He also, by the way, pretends that he needs bibles

795
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 2: for his wife's charity to you know, distribute them to

796
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,720
Speaker 2: families in need. So Jeff hits expen into the bibles

797
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,800
Speaker 2: that way. But then he has a true stroke of genius.

798
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 2: Since he's staying in hotels all the time, he sees

799
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 2: how there's often a Bible in the nightstand, right, so

800
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 2: he starts taking pages from those. Baby call the front

801
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 2: desk and say, there's no Bible in my room. Gets

802
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 2: another bible, get that one too.

803
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 3: I just went right through this Bible. Can I get

804
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 3: a friend?

805
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, he got me. How many Bibles you got back there? Well,

806
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:23,879
Speaker 2: one day at a hotel, he calls down to ask

807
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:25,879
Speaker 2: for a bible, and the lady in the front desk says,

808
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 2: I'll send up the maintenance man with a bible. A

809
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 2: little while later, the maintenance guy shows up with a Bible,

810
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 2: and Jeff takes a quick read of him, and he's like,

811
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 2: he's a fellow drug user.

812
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 3: I was gonna say to the maintenance man, like, here's

813
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:37,439
Speaker 3: your bible. Would you like some hero?

814
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,839
Speaker 2: Well, Jeff offers him there and so oh no, Yeah,

815
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 2: he chats him up right as he tells it, this

816
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 2: guy came knocked on our door handed me a bible.

817
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,479
Speaker 2: I could tell the maintenance man looked a little rough,

818
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 2: like I could tell he was probably on drugs. I

819
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 2: was like, so, you guys don't keep them in the

820
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 2: rooms anymore and he said no, you know, nowadays it's

821
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 2: you know, not really politically correct, like there's different religions

822
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 2: out of respect for like Buzzli or whatever. We just

823
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 2: have them upon request, but we don't keep them in

824
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 2: the room. So I was like, so what you guys

825
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 2: just have like a closet full of the old Bibles

826
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 2: or something and he was like, yeah, we got like

827
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 2: four or five boxes them in the maintenance closet. That's

828
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 2: why the maid called me to get them for you.

829
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 2: So now Jeff's mind is dancing like a sugarplum fairy

830
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 2: on meth, imagining all those Bibles and what he could

831
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 2: do with him if he get his hands on him. Yeah,

832
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 2: so he asked the rough looking maintenance guy, you want

833
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 2: to sell me some boxes of bibles. Jeff's like, I'll

834
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 2: give you one hundred dollars right now for all the bibles.

835
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 2: Jeff bye is like five boxes of old Bibles. The

836
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,399
Speaker 2: maintenance guy brings up the bibles and Jeff gets to work.

837
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 2: So I went through each Bible and I took the

838
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 2: two blank pages. I was able to get like enough

839
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 2: to make like twenty thousand dollars off of this one

840
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 2: cheap motel.

841
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 3: Wow.

842
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 2: Right now, but this is.

843
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 4: The maintenance guy is probably thinking, like he's gonna do

844
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 4: something freaky teky with the Bible.

845
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 2: Hold. Bad thought, oh, because this is not the end

846
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 2: of this particular story.

847
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:57,359
Speaker 3: Okay.

848
00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,919
Speaker 2: After he cuts out the blank Bible pages, Jeff throws

849
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 2: away the five boxes of Bibles. He tosses them right

850
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 2: back in them wotel dumpster, and the maintenance man of course,

851
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 2: sees the five boxes of Bibles in the dress and

852
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 2: now he's confused. He's like, why the held someone buy

853
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 2: bibles only to throw them all away?

854
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 3: Right right?

855
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 2: So when he sees Jeff and his family checking out

856
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,319
Speaker 2: of the motel, he goes up to Jeff and he says, hey, man,

857
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 2: like just you know, like I noticed those boxes of

858
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 2: Bibles and the dumpster, Like, why did you pay me

859
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 2: for them if you're just gonna throw them away? And

860
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 2: I didn't know what to say, so he was like,

861
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 2: what are you are you like a Satan worshiper or something, So,

862
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 2: not knowing what to say, Jeff's like, yeah, yeah, that's

863
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 2: what I am. I was like, gotta get rid of

864
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 2: the word of Jesus, and I'm paying money out of

865
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 2: my own pocket just to throw those books away. Oh

866
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 2: my god, what a moment in your life. If you're

867
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,839
Speaker 2: standing in the parking with some cheap motel you're trying

868
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 2: to convince the stranger that you worship Satan just so

869
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 2: you get out of the conversation and get back to

870
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 2: your family. Okay, So, now that he's found the perfect

871
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,800
Speaker 2: and perfectly blasphem his paper for making money, does Jeff

872
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 2: start printing a fortune?

873
00:37:58,280 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 3: Yes?

874
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, because he's still needs to beat the security features though,

875
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 2: so it's going to be an uphill battle. Take a

876
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 2: little break, listen to some ads, and after this break

877
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,720
Speaker 2: we'll hear how Jeff Turner becomes the king of counterfeitters,

878
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 2: and also how he meets his ignoble lend Elizabeth. Hello,

879
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 2: we're back, Hi. I got a quick question. What's scrid

880
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 2: of paper Bible paper good? I just wanted to make

881
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 2: sure you're listening. I remember how they were all those

882
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 2: benefits for Jeff offered by scridit Paper. Well, there was

883
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 2: one drawback. If you used one of those counterfeit money

884
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,280
Speaker 2: detection pens, you mentioned earlier. They draw the yellow line

885
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 2: on the bill if it's a real bill, or it

886
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 2: turns black if it's a fake bill. Well, scrit a

887
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 2: paper earns black. This is because it contains starch. Yeah,

888
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 2: and real money does not.

889
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 4: That's what remember Art Williams, his scalpal. She went through

890
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 4: and was marking everything, and it wasn't until she got

891
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 4: to the newspaper didn't.

892
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was the first one that doesn't. There's no stars, right,

893
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 2: So Jeff had to come up with a way of

894
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:20,879
Speaker 2: his own way to get around that, and you best

895
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 2: believe he finally did. His family are more importantly his

896
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 2: heroin habit depended on him figuring out away. So, as

897
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 2: Jeff says, I realized, if you coat the paper with

898
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 2: a clear spray paint, essentially it creates a barrier. So

899
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 2: you're basically preventing that chemical reaction by coating the paper.

900
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 2: Oh interesting, right, So he starts finessing his approach. He

901
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 2: finds it if he like lackers the fake bills, and

902
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,359
Speaker 2: he sprays then a fog coat. After the first coat,

903
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 2: he can make this passable texture that both seals the

904
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:56,439
Speaker 2: bill but also feels like yeah. Right, So now he's

905
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 2: got other security challenges, like you can't just run scrit

906
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 2: of paper through an inkjet printer. The paper will jam,

907
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:04,800
Speaker 2: and he's printing them. He doesn't have the security measures

908
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 2: attached jet, but he doesn't want to ruin the paper. Yeah,

909
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 2: so he has to tape the scrit of paper to

910
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 2: a sheet of normal paper and then run that through

911
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 2: the printer.

912
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 3: Oh, okay, that makes sense.

913
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 2: To this point, he's sourcing Bible paper from motel maintenance men,

914
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 2: stealing it from new and used bookstores, Walmart's thrift shops. Right,

915
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 2: we can find a Bible. He's taping that paper to

916
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 2: normal paper, printing his photoshopped images using multiple layers so

917
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:27,959
Speaker 2: the printer doesn't recognize it's printing money.

918
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 4: Yeah.

919
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 2: It's a simple, yet rather complicated, yet still brilliant method.

920
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 2: And if you think about it, it's also now becoming

921
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 2: a full time job.

922
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly like the way he tells it.

923
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 2: After ten PM, when all the store is closed, I

924
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 2: would go back to the hotel room and sit there

925
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,959
Speaker 2: and tape paper. Each bill had a front and a back,

926
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 2: so to print two thousand dollars, that's twenty bills, that's

927
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 2: forty pieces of Bible paper. I would need to tape,

928
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 2: so you know, from ten pm to about midnight, I'd

929
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 2: tape that paper, then go to sleep and wake up

930
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 2: at eight to begin printing at nine, and then print

931
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 2: until two, then go shopping till ten. I mean it

932
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 2: was like non stop. I mean I was making about

933
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 2: fifteen hundred dollars a day, but it was like non stop.

934
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 2: That was my life all day, every day.

935
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 3: Oh hard, that's hard.

936
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 2: This is why, though I will never say criminals are lazy,

937
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 2: They're often not lazy. They just make terrible choices.

938
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and a little inefficient.

939
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 2: It sounds definitely that. So at this point he's like, Okay,

940
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,359
Speaker 2: I think it's you know, I think my money's good.

941
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 2: I'm going to try to pass my new hundred dollar bills.

942
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,800
Speaker 2: But before that, he also finds there's other security features

943
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 2: he had to figure out how to beat. Like, you know,

944
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 2: if you hold one hundred dollars bill and you tilt

945
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 2: your hands, you see how that there's a shifting color

946
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 2: and the hundred sign in the corner. Ye, Well, that

947
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 2: water mark effect is called color shifting pigment. So to

948
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 2: get that same effect, Jeff turned to cosmetic makeup. Turns out,

949
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 2: oh yeah, Yeah, Revlon makes an eyeshadow. He uses this

950
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 2: interference green pigment. Yeah, that means if he prints the

951
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 2: hundreds in black and then hand paints the eyeshadow onto

952
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 2: the bill, his hundreds would shift color just the same

953
00:41:56,719 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 2: as optically variable and interesting. Voila. So the first time

954
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:02,879
Speaker 2: he tries to break one of his new hundreds, with

955
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 2: all of his ways to beat the security features figured out,

956
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 2: Jeff goes to wear a taco bell. Oh okay, just

957
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 2: before closing. The manager is the one working the register.

958
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 2: That's not the best. Jeff hands over the fake hundred.

959
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 2: The manager takes it, doesn't believe it's real, looks for

960
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 2: the watermark strip, checks it, sees the watermark strip, and

961
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 2: goes humhm, satisfied, gives a mis change.

962
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 3: Wow. A lot of times it like drive throughs and stuff.

963
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:25,720
Speaker 3: They won't take a hundred.

964
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 2: Yeah truly, but he I think me walks in so

965
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 2: I think he knew that he had to be face

966
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 2: to face with a person.

967
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:31,240
Speaker 3: Yeah.

968
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 2: Next day he's not. Now satisfied, he goes out with

969
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,800
Speaker 2: more of his funny money. He busts all those bills.

970
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 2: The cashiers they check the bills like with the counterfeit

971
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:43,320
Speaker 2: detection pin boom. The lacquer coat works just like he planned.

972
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:46,240
Speaker 2: The ink stays yellow. So they cash the fake bills,

973
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 2: they give miss change. He does this all day. As

974
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 2: Jeff tells it, I made a few hundred dollars, which

975
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,399
Speaker 2: is great. I paid for the hotel room for the night.

976
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 2: You know it prolongs as his situation. I'm in, you

977
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 2: know what I mean. At least I can get by

978
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 2: for another couple.

979
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 3: Days, short day to day.

980
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 2: So what did you do next? Great question, Elizabeth, As

981
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,240
Speaker 2: Jeff would tell you, I go back to the hotel

982
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 2: and I start printing out like probably one thousand dollars worth.

983
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 2: The next day I go I break them all thousand

984
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 2: dollars worth. Boom boom, boom, boom boom. His bills spend

985
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 2: just like real money, and the change he gets is

986
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:19,280
Speaker 2: real money. So now he's made like eight hundred dollars.

987
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 2: He's eight hundred dollars to the good, right, So Jeff's like,

988
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 2: I can make a career out of this, So he

989
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:27,720
Speaker 2: does decide to make a few little tweaks to his formula,

990
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 2: like at one point, this cashier at a CBS, which,

991
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 2: by the way, they use the UV light like a

992
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:35,919
Speaker 2: black leves to look for this red glow that's in there.

993
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 2: It's one of those security features. So it's like a

994
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 2: red line or a glows red if you shine a

995
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:42,720
Speaker 2: UV light on it. And so Jeff's fake money doesn't

996
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 2: have that. She's like, not going to take the bill,

997
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 2: but everything else looks right, and she's like, oh, this

998
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:49,359
Speaker 2: must be right. I wonder why it doesn't have that. Ye,

999
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,320
Speaker 2: he's able to sweet talker in the cashier. Then cash

1000
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 2: is the bill. But now he's like, I got to

1001
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 2: figure out a way to beat that feature, otherwise I

1002
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 2: can't use CBS. So it's his family staying in motel

1003
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,399
Speaker 2: rooms in four kids get bored. He's buying them all

1004
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 2: sorts of stuff online to do, and he buys one

1005
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 2: of his daughters a diary that has a pen that

1006
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 2: writes in UV inc So Jeff caes are using this.

1007
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:11,840
Speaker 2: He's like, I wonder if they're still a red version

1008
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:12,439
Speaker 2: of that pen?

1009
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 3: Uh huh?

1010
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 2: They do, Elizabeth, He orders some to the room. He

1011
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 2: adds that to his formula. Now he can beat that's

1012
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 2: acurity feature. So at this point things are going well,

1013
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 2: or as Jeff tells it, I was like, well, okay,

1014
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like, now I got like

1015
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 2: fifteen hundred dollars in my pocket, the hotel room is

1016
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:33,919
Speaker 2: paid for, you know what I mean. Things were looking good.

1017
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, however we should also in the world add out.

1018
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 2: During all this time, I also, you know, still had

1019
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 2: a drug abbot as he had no kidding Jeff. So

1020
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:44,919
Speaker 2: at this point Jeff was also back to giving drug

1021
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:49,359
Speaker 2: dealers fake money for real drugs. He's ripping them off, right,

1022
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 2: So he's like giving them fake and so if the

1023
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 2: dealer ever figures it out, Jeff would just block their

1024
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 2: number and hope he never saw them again. Knox feels

1025
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 2: big enough, or sometimes a dealer would be impressed. He

1026
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 2: was like, man, you got that over on me. And

1027
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 2: like his former co worker was the big time heroin dealer,

1028
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 2: so he was like, oh, let me buy some that

1029
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 2: counterfeit money off you. Yeah, and so Jeff starts selling

1030
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 2: counterfeit money to drug dealers from Detroit, Chicago, Cleveland. Now

1031
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 2: let's skip forward again and look at that boom. We

1032
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 2: find Jeff and his family now living in a house

1033
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:21,720
Speaker 2: with a Cleveland heroin dealer.

1034
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 3: Oh great, that's so good, kids.

1035
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 2: This guy is he does big time deals with his

1036
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:30,359
Speaker 2: people back in Cleveland, but he's living in Knoxville, right,

1037
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 2: And so the guy goes up buys heroin from Cleveland

1038
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 2: or fentanyl, and then he like cuts that doubles his

1039
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 2: money selling it in Knoxville because he basically cuts it

1040
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 2: in half. Sure, So one day the Cleveland dealer, Jeff

1041
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 2: calls this guy E.

1042
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:47,280
Speaker 3: So Cleveland plane dealer O new.

1043
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 2: Deep newspaper jokes, I like that. So Jeff calls this

1044
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 2: guy E, so we're gonna call him. He wants him

1045
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 2: to roll with him to Cleveland. Right, He's like, I

1046
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 2: need I'm going for the reup and you know, by

1047
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 2: the way, you can get some bibles. Jeff's You're right,

1048
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 2: I could get I can get some bibles, I can

1049
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 2: bust some bills, make some money for the fam. So

1050
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 2: Jeff is it down at first, but then like Jeff

1051
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 2: sees that, he pulls up in this like but he

1052
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,919
Speaker 2: claims is a car that he traded drugs for and

1053
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 2: some money. And Jeff's like, no, man, that's an obviously

1054
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 2: stolen car. And he's like, no, it's not stolen. Man,

1055
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 2: I got the I got the pink slip. And he's like, no, man,

1056
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 2: I know the guy that's he's a booster, that's a

1057
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:25,919
Speaker 2: stolen car, and he's like, come on, man, it's cool,

1058
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 2: it's cool, it's cool.

1059
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:28,879
Speaker 3: It was the like ignition dangling out.

1060
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 2: No, I mean it was like I think it was

1061
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 2: like a legit, like the person stole it, but the

1062
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 2: pink slip was in the car they stole, but they

1063
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 2: just signed it over And that's how I read it. Anyway,

1064
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 2: Fate steps in because Jeff gets arrested on a warrant

1065
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 2: for a failure to appear in court. So he gets

1066
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 2: locked up on Friday, and his partner in crime and

1067
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 2: is you know landlord. He goes to Cleveland on his own,

1068
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 2: and when you know it, he gets busted in the

1069
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:54,320
Speaker 2: stolen car with a brick of heroin and a bunch

1070
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:58,360
Speaker 2: of Jeff's counterfeit money. So when Jeff gets out of jail,

1071
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 2: he comes home and he hears that his partner E

1072
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 2: got arrested, and only that he told this girl who's like,

1073
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 2: you know, like a runner for him, who's staying in

1074
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 2: the house, don't tell Jeff I got arrested, which is

1075
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:11,959
Speaker 2: immediately super suspicious. Yeah, you know where this is going.

1076
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 2: He's like, hey, guys are robusting me. I know a

1077
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 2: bigger fish. He makes counterfeit money. I'm talking like big bills, hundreds.

1078
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 2: So what do you think happens next, Elizabeth?

1079
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1080
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 2: If you said his boy e snitched on him, you

1081
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 2: would be correct. He not only snitches, he sets Jeff up.

1082
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:29,919
Speaker 2: He agrees to like, yeah, let me talk to Jeff

1083
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 2: and I can set him up on a big heroin

1084
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 2: buy or whatever.

1085
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1086
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 2: So Jeff anticipates all this. He grabs all this stuff

1087
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 2: from like their trap house. This and I'm talking like

1088
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 2: this point a counterfeit shop of printer. He's got multiple prints,

1089
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 2: she's got stacks of Bible paper. He loads up his family,

1090
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:50,240
Speaker 2: he goes and he hides it out in another hotel

1091
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 2: a couple towns away, and there he resets up his

1092
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 2: shop because he still has orders for counterfeit money that

1093
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,439
Speaker 2: he needs to fulfill for a bunch of Detroit drug

1094
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 2: dealers from the gang Detroit vice Lords.

1095
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 3: Oh god, you're so he's doing that.

1096
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 2: He's printing up a fresh stack of six thousand dollars

1097
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 2: when he gets to this phone call, wouldn't you know it?

1098
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 2: It's his boy e. If Jeff can do a favor

1099
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 2: for him. I just got backing down. I need some heroin.

1100
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 2: So I said, like, you know, I had to use

1101
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:19,320
Speaker 2: my reup money while I was in Cleveland. And he

1102
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 2: wants to know if Jeff can help him re up

1103
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 2: with some of his Detroit friends in town. And Jeff's like,

1104
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 2: this is super sus Yeah, clearly he's trying to set

1105
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 2: him up, maybe to reduce his own sentence. So he

1106
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 2: tells him like, man, I'm not a drug dealer. You

1107
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 2: know that. He tries to get off the phone with

1108
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 2: him without saying anything incriminated. Sure, but as Jeff tells it,

1109
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 2: I kind of snapped and I was like, Bro, you

1110
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 2: just got to rest it up in Cleveland. You know

1111
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 2: what I mean? You told Summer not to tell me

1112
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 2: that you got arrested. Bro, you're acting sketchy. You're obviously cooperating.

1113
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:49,720
Speaker 2: I'm not getting you any dope. I don't sell dope.

1114
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 2: You're trying to set me up for things and I

1115
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:55,879
Speaker 2: don't even do you know? That's up? Goodbye? I hang

1116
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 2: up bang So, so now he's thinking he's to the

1117
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 2: good again. Even if he is cooperating, no one knows

1118
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 2: where to find him so he can kind of just

1119
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 2: relax in this motel room and just be mad that

1120
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:09,280
Speaker 2: he got stitched up by his boy. Meanwhile, his wife

1121
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 2: is like, I want to go shopping, and Jeff is

1122
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 2: like cool, cool, have fun to get out. Like, while

1123
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 2: you're gone, I'll print up some bills. So she leaves.

1124
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 2: Jeff goes back to printing up the six grand for

1125
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 2: the Detroit drug dealers. He's got a bunch of printed

1126
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:24,359
Speaker 2: up bills that haven't been clued together yet. He's like

1127
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:26,799
Speaker 2: sprang a code of lacquer on them, like right there

1128
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 2: in the hotel room.

1129
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 3: Right he's got the kids inhaling it.

1130
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 2: Yes, he's got like a fan running blowing the toxic

1131
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 2: air out of the window. I'd like to think that

1132
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,959
Speaker 2: the kids are with the mother shopping, and that maybe

1133
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 2: the teenagers are like this out in the parking lot.

1134
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 2: I don't know. Guess what happens next to Elizabeth.

1135
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,320
Speaker 3: No, don't the whole hotel explode.

1136
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 2: Track that, don't guess. He's rather than you guess or

1137
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 2: having me tell you about it. I'd like you to

1138
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 2: close your eyes, and I'd like you to picture it.

1139
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 2: At the moment, Elizabeth, you have the residue from a

1140
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 2: fog laquer spray and you high. It doesn't burn, it

1141
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 2: doesn't sting, because you are a portrait of Ben Franklin

1142
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 2: printed on a piece of Bible paper. But still the

1143
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:12,359
Speaker 2: laquer is there and it's distracting you. There's a man

1144
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 2: moving around with efficiency as he sprays lacquer on a

1145
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 2: series of Ben Franklin portraits just like you. Very soon

1146
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 2: you will be glued to another piece of Bible paper

1147
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 2: and become a counterfeit hundred dollar bill. Right now, you're

1148
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:27,280
Speaker 2: a portrait of Ben Franklin. Then you hear it, a heavy,

1149
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:29,919
Speaker 2: heavy knock at the door. The man, with a can

1150
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 2: of lacquer in his hands, takes off his fray mask,

1151
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 2: walks over to the hotel room door. You watch as

1152
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 2: he peers through the people. He pulls his head back, unsatisfied,

1153
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 2: as if someone has placed a finger over the people,

1154
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 2: blocking him from seeing anything. The banging at the door resumes.

1155
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 2: You don't like that. The man checks the window. This

1156
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 2: time he makes a face of recognition. He sees the

1157
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:54,840
Speaker 2: patch worn by a Knox County Sheriff's deputy. This causes

1158
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 2: the man to freak out. He runs back to where

1159
00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:59,800
Speaker 2: you and the other Ben Franklin portraits are He scoops

1160
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 2: up some of your brethren. Then he runs into the

1161
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:05,479
Speaker 2: bathroom and he flushes them down the toilet. He runs back,

1162
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 2: swoops up a second handful of Ben Franklin portraits on

1163
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 2: Bible paper, and runs back to the bathroom again. He

1164
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 2: chucks them in the toilet and hits flush, but this

1165
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:18,320
Speaker 2: time nothing. Someone must have cut off the water. You think.

1166
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:21,360
Speaker 2: The Ben Franklin portraits on Bible paper now stick to

1167
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 2: the white porcelain sides of the toilet bowl, and you're

1168
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 2: glad you're not one of them. What a sad fate

1169
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 2: you watch the young man realize the fullness of his

1170
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:32,760
Speaker 2: own fate. The knocking at the door resumes. The sheriff's

1171
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 2: deputies on the other side of the door now identify themselves.

1172
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,359
Speaker 2: They demand that the man opened the door let them in.

1173
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 2: Looking at him, you're pretty sure he's not going to

1174
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 2: do that, but there's nowhere for him to go. There's

1175
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 2: a fan in the window, and surely four cops are

1176
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:49,840
Speaker 2: watching from below. The knocking turns into a heavy, steely

1177
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:53,280
Speaker 2: slam of a door buster and crashing against the metal

1178
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 2: hotel room door. The cops apparently are trying to break

1179
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 2: down the door knout. You look back at the man

1180
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 2: as he slumps down into a chair at the table.

1181
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 2: He reaches into his shirt pocket. He takes out a

1182
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 2: little baggy of fetanol. He pours it on the table.

1183
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 2: He cuts out two lines with a snort. He dusts

1184
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 2: off one line with a second snort. He hoovers up

1185
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 2: the second line. The man is apparently decided to get arrested,

1186
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:22,439
Speaker 2: Comfortably numb, the Knox County Sheriff's deputy's finally knock open

1187
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 2: the metal hotel room doors. Multi jurisdictional task force rushes

1188
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:30,240
Speaker 2: into the room like a swarm of angry hornets, albeit

1189
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 2: very well armed angry hornets. There are all sorts of

1190
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 2: law enforcement, drug task or secret service. You lose count

1191
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 2: there's so many, but you do see one of the

1192
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 2: buffest officers sweep up the man from the chair and

1193
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:46,359
Speaker 2: slam him face down on a tiled door. Ooo. That

1194
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 2: looks like it hurt. Oh my god, that's how it

1195
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 2: all ends for Jeff Turner, Ah Jess. Turns out the

1196
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 2: cops were able to ping his cell phone and determine

1197
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:57,839
Speaker 2: that he was in that specific.

1198
00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:59,800
Speaker 4: Hotel during about that Yeah, they got him on the

1199
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:00,879
Speaker 4: floor for long enough.

1200
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, they send the task Force out to find him.

1201
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 2: When his wife went shopping, she was arrested. The room

1202
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:08,720
Speaker 2: key she had on her told them where to find Jeff,

1203
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:11,359
Speaker 2: and boom, boom boom. Just like that, it all came

1204
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 2: crashing down.

1205
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 3: Traumatic for those kids. That's all I keep thinking of.

1206
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the part that's least funny.

1207
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 3: Yeah hah.

1208
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 2: Yeah. Anyway, Jeff refuses to cooperate with the Drug Task

1209
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 2: Force since he knows he's no drug dealer, no matter

1210
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:25,360
Speaker 2: what he told them. Yeah, and he waits for the

1211
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 2: Secret Service to get their hands on him for the

1212
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 2: counterfeiting because he would much prefer federal charges. Yeah, smart man.

1213
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 2: I mean, like, you know, the difference between state facility

1214
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 2: and a federal facility. So once a Secret Service does

1215
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:38,800
Speaker 2: get their hands on him, they decide to offer Jeff

1216
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 2: a hell of a sweetheart deal. If he'll cooperate, they'll

1217
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 2: cut down his sentence. He's looking at like three years

1218
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 2: maybe five in federal prison, but you know, closer to three,

1219
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 2: which is a huge improvement over the eight to twelve

1220
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 2: he was looking at for state charges. Sure, now you

1221
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 2: may be asking, but Saren, how can he cooperate.

1222
00:53:56,960 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was, I was about to ask that, do.

1223
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 2: The Feds want him to flip on the Detroit drug dealers, teach.

1224
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 3: Us how you do it? Bang, You're kidding.

1225
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 2: One hundred percent right. The Secret Service wants him to

1226
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 2: cooperate against other counterfeiters in you know, in absentia. Turns

1227
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 2: out the Secret Service had been collecting his fake hundreds

1228
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 2: and they were very, very impressed. They were like, these

1229
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 2: are the best fakes we've seen in twenty five years.

1230
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 2: The kids these days they buy prop money off of

1231
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 2: Amazon and try to pass that. But your bills, your

1232
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 2: bills are masterpieces. So the Feds tell Jeff they won't

1233
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 2: press charges on his wife. They'll drop her from the

1234
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 2: ditment so the kids can stay with her and not

1235
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:38,839
Speaker 2: go into foster care, into the system. Then they'll also

1236
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:41,839
Speaker 2: cut down his sentence if he pleads guilty, and also

1237
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 2: if he will make a video for them, that's right,

1238
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:46,880
Speaker 2: the Feds will like, teach us your ways.

1239
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 3: Like one of those TikTok dancing videos they.

1240
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 2: Kind of but no price, similar lighting. So after a

1241
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 2: few months on pre trial release, Jef ends up making

1242
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:58,399
Speaker 2: a training video for the Secret Service. They even fly

1243
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 2: in the head of the counterfeiting department from DC just

1244
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 2: to watch the film shoot. So Jeff does this thing.

1245
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 2: He shows the Feds his whole process, and they've got

1246
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 2: all the stuff right there, like we've kept all the

1247
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 2: stuff from the hotel room. So he uses the Bible paper,

1248
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 2: the ink jet printers, all the special dies, his UV

1249
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 2: pens for a little girl's diary, all of it. He

1250
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:18,759
Speaker 2: makes two fake hundreds, including the new one hundred, the

1251
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 2: Blue Bill, the blue note Oh you Kids, which he's

1252
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 2: finally figured out how to fake. And when he's done,

1253
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 2: the Federal like that was so cool, thank you. At

1254
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:29,400
Speaker 2: least that's the way Jeff Turner tells it. When he's sentenced,

1255
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 2: Jeff Turner gets ten months in a low security federal prison.

1256
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:35,839
Speaker 2: Not bad right now. While he's inside, his wife divorces him,

1257
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 2: takes the kids. But other than that, Jeff manages like

1258
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:40,879
Speaker 2: along the way, he kicks heroin and fetanol, so that's

1259
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 2: good for him. Of course, he still hustles inside, like

1260
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:45,439
Speaker 2: he works in a kitchen. He figured out how trade

1261
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 2: veggies and they can put stamps on his commissary. Yeah, ABC,

1262
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 2: Elizabeth always be.

1263
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:53,919
Speaker 3: Hustling exactly, but custling anyway.

1264
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:56,799
Speaker 2: Jeff is now out, he's been doing press podcasts. He's

1265
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 2: got guys said, got his own YouTube channel, go check

1266
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 2: it out. He's and also basically he's hustling on the

1267
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:05,719
Speaker 2: legit side, right, So I, for one, I wish him lucky. Yes, same,

1268
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:08,320
Speaker 2: Jeff Turner is certainly I mean he's a smart guy. Clearly,

1269
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 2: he just had tough conditions in his life and makes

1270
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:12,320
Speaker 2: terrible choices.

1271
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, made terrible choices.

1272
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 2: He made in the past.

1273
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:18,840
Speaker 3: Let's hope that he's making.

1274
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:23,240
Speaker 4: And I heartily applaud anyone who kicks any addiction.

1275
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 3: That's cue.

1276
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 2: I thought you'd like that happy note at the end.

1277
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:29,759
Speaker 2: So we're both pulling for him. It sounds like we are.

1278
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 2: And I got to ask you, Elizabeth, what's your ridiculous takeaway? Here?

1279
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:38,799
Speaker 3: He with the parallels with Art Williams. Uh.

1280
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:41,239
Speaker 4: You know Art Williams was an artist and it is

1281
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:44,440
Speaker 4: an artist now. And you think about the god the

1282
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 4: problem solving skills and the fine motor skills and all

1283
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 4: these techniques that they develop. You know, he's like a

1284
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:55,800
Speaker 4: really skilled graphic artist. No, sadly, AI is going to

1285
00:56:55,880 --> 00:57:01,839
Speaker 4: take his job. When you think of out those when

1286
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 4: you're saying like he had just kind of like a

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Speaker 4: rough start. If he'd had a different trajectory, you know,

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Speaker 4: he could have been doing basically the same principle of stuff,

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Speaker 4: just not in a criminal sense that creation. So it's

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Speaker 4: a you know, we've seen that a lot with these criminals,

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Speaker 4: art forgers and such who are really talented, but they're

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Speaker 4: using it kind of in the wrong way.

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Speaker 3: What's your ridiculous take away?

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Speaker 2: If you have a drug dealer, don't move in with them.

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Speaker 4: That's a really, really good piece of advice. I would assume, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: don't do it.

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Speaker 2: There you go. It's pretty simple, straightforward, right.

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Speaker 3: Housing is tight.

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Speaker 2: No matter what the deal is, it's not a good deal.

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Speaker 3: It's not a good.

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Speaker 2: So move for a talkback.

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Speaker 3: I am down with one.

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Speaker 2: Can you favors with one? O God I w.

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Speaker 6: Tizer and Elizabeth Blake here. I had to reach out

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Speaker 6: to you after listening to your Firefest episode because Firefest

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Speaker 6: a message me on Instagram at.

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Speaker 3: The beginning of this year.

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Speaker 6: I thought it was a joke saying that because I

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Speaker 6: do a lot of work in the ocean conservation space,

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Speaker 6: that they would like for me to come and teach

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Speaker 6: scuba diving or free diving classes during their next extravaganza,

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Speaker 6: and I would get a free place to stay. So

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Speaker 6: I did look it up and definitely.

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Speaker 3: Said, no, girl, you say yes to that.

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Speaker 4: That is going to be an amazing story because here's

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Speaker 4: what you do. You secure your own housing, okay, and

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Speaker 4: then you go down there and you just you get

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Speaker 4: to witness this absolute buffoonery. I mean you'll probably never

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Speaker 4: get down there because it'll never come to fruition.

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Speaker 3: Yes, but if they approach you again, say yes.

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Speaker 4: And then you have this assistant Elizabeth, who will happily

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Speaker 4: go with you. I'll get us a place to stay,

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Speaker 4: we'll get us nice rooms, and then we'll go and.

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Speaker 3: We'll just watch these ding dongs do their things.

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Speaker 2: I can't believe they basically get the offer of like

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Speaker 2: this would be great exposure for you, and yeah, you

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Speaker 2: too with scuba diving.

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Speaker 4: Scuba diving, which like can we can we talk about

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Speaker 4: like the the insurance that you'd.

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Speaker 7: Need and all the liability and then like the licensing

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Speaker 7: and things, and so I mean you wouldn't actually want

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Speaker 7: to be getting out there because think of also the

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Speaker 7: dufuses who would pay him to get scuba lessons.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, you don't want any of that going on.

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Speaker 4: You don't want those as your students. But I love

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Speaker 4: that they reached out to you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's amazing, that's incredible.

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Speaker 3: Why doesn't he want me to like DJ it or something.

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Speaker 2: Swim with the Disco Dolphins. Yeah, I mean, Elizabeth.

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Speaker 3: Terrifying.

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Speaker 2: Well I figure that talkback. We love him and uh,

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Speaker 2: that was a really particularly fun one. If you want

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