1 00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: I'm a homegrow that knows a little bit about everything 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: and everybody. 3 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 2: You know, if you don't lie about that? 4 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 3: Right, la Hey, y'all's up. 5 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:12,880 Speaker 1: It's Lauren and Rosa and this is the latest with 6 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: Laura and Rosa. This is your daily dig on all 7 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: things pop culture, entertainment, news and all of the conversations 8 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 1: that are shaking the room. Now today you guys will 9 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 1: be joining me in conversation that not only shakes the room, 10 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 1: but it is shaken the churches, the houses, and all 11 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 1: of the places because church yard is a real thing. 12 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: The belief that we can just pray something away, whether 13 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: it's mental health or you know, trauma and things that 14 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: we experience, those are real things and people are beginning 15 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: to talk about it. So I had the pleasure of 16 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 1: sitting down with Tim Rawls, who is a best selling 17 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 1: author and host of the popular podcast The Basement and 18 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: Wide Open from Inglewood, California. A lot of you guys 19 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 1: have probably seen his clips heard his voice before because 20 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: he gets the people going. So along with so Timbross 21 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: along with Noah Mills, former Miss Delaware, USA twenty twenty three, 22 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 1: who is a huge mental health advocate and helps to 23 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 1: bring you know, mental health practices and different purpose into 24 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:17,399 Speaker 1: corporate structures. Those two together sat down. We had a 25 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: conversation shout out to Seaz the Greatness which is my 26 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 1: church home. And it was a very honest conversation too, 27 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 1: about what that really looks like when you put mental 28 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: health practices and you just start saying the word the 29 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 1: words I need help inside of church, especially in churches 30 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 1: where you know, people just don't think therapy or even 31 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 1: needing help is a thing because God in prayer cures 32 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: it all. Let's get on into the conversation. Let me 33 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 1: know what you guys think about this. I'm Loyland Rosa 34 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 1: everywhere I want to hear from you. Let's get on 35 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: into it. 36 00:01:57,400 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 3: Everybody, how you doing. 37 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 4: Well. 38 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: I've never been up here this part of church on 39 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 1: the stage, so this is a little different. But I'm 40 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: excited for this conversation today, so I'm going to hop 41 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 1: right on into it. Y'all feeling well? 42 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 2: Morn has been great. 43 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: I want to talk a little bit about church. When 44 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: I got the just the theme and kind of the 45 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 1: background of. 46 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 2: This pandel that was the first thing I thought of. 47 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: There's a lot of conversation happening right now because people 48 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 1: are able to talk about it more about when people 49 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: are disappointed by the church or people in the church, 50 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: and how that turns it away from the church. And 51 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: that makes me think about mental health because people probably 52 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 1: don't process it this way, but you're dealing with something 53 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 1: mentally that you know turns your way. 54 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 3: So, Tim, I'm want to ask. 55 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 2: You, as a you know, a leader of the church, and. 56 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: You know you have your platform or your podcast, when 57 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: you hear about church or and you're speaking to people 58 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 1: who are going through that, how do you make them 59 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 1: understand that it is a person in a place and 60 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: not something that you should carry every. 61 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 4: Single church did you go through So when somebody first 62 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 4: tells me about their church hurt, and if their reaction 63 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 4: is to the extreme like I never want to go 64 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:13,639 Speaker 4: to church again, or see this is why I don't 65 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 4: go to church, my retort is always, have you ever. 66 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 3: Got food poisoning. 67 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 4: You? Did you start eating at restaurants? Did you just 68 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 4: become a meal prepper and just stay home and just 69 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 4: I only eat my own rockey? Down for the speak, 70 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 4: mister Childs made me throw up, right. 71 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 2: So. 72 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 4: I'm not dismissing the hurt, but we have conflated. What 73 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 4: has happened to spiritual leaders with God? And what it 74 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 4: lets me know is that you made an idol out 75 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 4: of your leader. If your faith in God has been 76 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 4: compromised by the person that you were following, then you 77 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 4: were You weren't following them as they following Christ. You 78 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 4: were following them and you deified them. And to deify 79 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 4: we talk about dehumanized dehumanization. We always talk about the 80 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 4: degradation of an individual. But to degrade or deify is 81 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 4: to dehumanize. To make somebody sub or to make somebody 82 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:20,679 Speaker 4: more than. 83 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:23,679 Speaker 3: Is to dehumanize either. 84 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 4: Way, And so we have to calibrate the fact that 85 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 4: these are human beings that we hope have their own 86 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 4: connection with God and their private life, and if we've 87 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 4: been hurt by that person, we are dealing with a 88 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 4: mental health a mental health aspect which is grief, and 89 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 4: we have to go through all stages of that grief, 90 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 4: not just the disappointment and maybe the depression that comes 91 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 4: with that, but also the sadness and the anger processing 92 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 4: like I can't believe you did this to me. And 93 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 4: a lot of people in church feel like they cannot 94 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 4: express anger towards the person that has fallen because we're 95 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 4: quick to rush people to forgiveness, not knowing that in 96 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 4: the process to forgive is to experience. 97 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 3: Other emotions that come with it. 98 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:17,919 Speaker 4: So I have spiritual leaders that have disappointed me, and 99 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 4: it's been so crushing to hear some of the stuff 100 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:24,839 Speaker 4: that they've gotten into or that has been exposed, and 101 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 4: I want. 102 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:27,160 Speaker 2: To punch them in the net. 103 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:29,040 Speaker 3: That's how I feel. 104 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:32,160 Speaker 4: I'm not going to do it, but the throat chot 105 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 4: is enticing because I'm like, how had you given us 106 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:43,600 Speaker 4: this Bible every weekend but it wasn't. 107 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 3: Being received by you? Or when did you stop eating 108 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 3: your own food that you was cooking for everybody else? 109 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:58,839 Speaker 4: So it's a process and people need safe spaces to 110 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:00,599 Speaker 4: be able to process their emotions. 111 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 3: So that would be my answer. 112 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: Thinking on the other side of that, right, because you 113 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 1: you've been a pastor before, you know you're leading so 114 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:11,679 Speaker 1: many different things speaking to the leaders in the church. 115 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: How do you handle being a person that disappoints someone 116 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 1: in the church. 117 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 2: What's your mental on that side of it? How do 118 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 2: you get through that and how do you heal that. 119 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: For that person and often for yourself that you're able 120 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 1: to continue to lead. 121 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, so anytime I have disappointed my congregation, which I 122 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 4: can give you a for instance, in twenty nineteen, that 123 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 4: was like the worst year of me being a pastor. Okay, 124 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 4: it was my fourth year pastor and eight people that 125 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 4: I loved that year died five or very close. Three 126 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 4: I had to eulogize. The youngest was a fifteen year 127 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 4: old girl of my friends. 128 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:53,359 Speaker 3: Their daughter died of a brain tumor, and the church 129 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:57,799 Speaker 3: had double I was sad. 130 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 4: I'm not normally a very sad person, but that year 131 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 4: took its toll. And I'm not an exploder. I'm an imploder, 132 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 4: So I'm not gonna like loop. I'm not gonna crash out. 133 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 4: I'm gonna crash in. And the way my crash in looked, 134 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 4: don't judge me. 135 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 3: I wanted. 136 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 4: I wanted like words in our fouryer, like for the church, 137 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 4: and like just the culture code of everything that we 138 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 4: did in the church like And I had asked our 139 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 4: team to do it for two years it had done it. 140 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 4: So my implosion looked like on a Saturday night, going 141 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 4: to home depot, grabbing six kids of spray paint and 142 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 4: stray painting all the words that I ever wanted on 143 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 4: the church walls. 144 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 3: By myself, by myself, unbeknownst to anybody else. 145 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 4: And I had a guest speaker the next day, and 146 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 4: I didn't go to church that day. 147 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 3: I went to somebody else's church. Oh great about the idea. 148 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 4: I felt great. I felt great. A third of the 149 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 4: church thought it was like the dopestting, like, oh my godness, 150 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 4: look at all this. Two thirds of the church was like, 151 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 4: including my staff, was like, somebody vandalized our buildings. And 152 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 4: I was like, with our culture, like, this is a 153 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 4: dope vandal right, and it's me. And so Juliette was 154 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 4: pissed and the elders were angry, and I was like, 155 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 4: I don't see the big deal. 156 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 2: And then I had my devotion. 157 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 3: On Monday, and I just happened to. 158 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 4: Be reading the Exodus about the way that he wanted 159 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 4: the Tabernacle to be built, and it said according to 160 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 4: my pattern. And the Holy Spirit said, Tim, what you 161 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 4: did to my house. So as soon as he like 162 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 4: differentiated whose house it was, I. 163 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 2: Was like, I'm sorry. 164 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 3: He was like, what you did to my house is 165 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 3: not according to my path. Next weekend was communion Sunday, so. 166 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 4: I had to get up in front of all three 167 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 4: services and apologize and repent for what I had done. 168 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 4: Now and I had to just repent and shut up, 169 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 4: and I started talking about you know what happened, Saint. 170 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 5: I just felt depreshed. And I haven't asking for these 171 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 5: for these words for two years. And my staff, no, no, 172 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 5: leaders have to take ownership for what they've done. 173 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 4: In the same way that we make alter calls for 174 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 4: everybody else to come forward, there has to be room 175 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 4: at the alter for ourselves as well. And if the 176 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 4: congregation can come to the altar, leaders need to be 177 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 4: able to step off the. 178 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 3: Platform and come to the altar as well. 179 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:53,679 Speaker 4: The moment we make it for them and not us, 180 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 4: as the moment we wind up being duplicitous. And that's 181 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 4: what leads us to living double lives. I gave my 182 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 4: life to Jesus January fourteenth of nineteen ninety six. I 183 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 4: preached my first sermon February twenty fifth of nineteen ninety six. 184 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 4: I did not want to do that, and then I 185 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:24,559 Speaker 4: kept being invited to speak. And it's been that way 186 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:27,679 Speaker 4: for twenty nine and a half years. So as private 187 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:29,959 Speaker 4: as I am and like to be, my life is 188 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:35,680 Speaker 4: very public. So how does one calibrate not only when okay, 189 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 4: you're on the major platforms, but also you don't even 190 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 4: want to be there. You would rather not be known, right, 191 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 4: And so my dream was to be like the Christian 192 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 4: version of Clarence Avon. I just wanted to be the 193 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 4: shadowhand behind like all the preachers. And the Lord's like, no, 194 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 4: I need you to be on the platforms, and I'm like, ah. 195 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 4: So the way that I handle and mitigate all the 196 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:09,959 Speaker 4: things is at number one, I don't have any social media. 197 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 4: I always had a love hate relationship on it. I 198 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 4: was on it, I was off it. 199 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 2: I hate it. 200 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 3: So I'm off of it, and so I don't know 201 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:19,239 Speaker 3: what's going. 202 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 4: On in too, like meet somebody or talk to somebody, 203 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 4: which is like very nineties. 204 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 3: Like I have no idea what's going on until somebody 205 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:29,080 Speaker 3: tells them. 206 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 2: I'm like what. 207 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 4: I see my friend's kids and I never see them 208 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 4: on social media, so I don't get to see them 209 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 4: like grow up on social media. 210 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 3: I see them, I'm like, oh my god, I bro, 211 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:44,679 Speaker 3: it's very nineties. 212 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 2: I love it. 213 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 3: I have my time with the Lord every single morning, and. 214 00:11:56,160 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 4: I really have not forgotten January fourteenth to ninety six, Like, 215 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 4: I'm legitimately not over the day that I gave my 216 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 4: life to Jesus. So all of this is cool, But 217 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 4: if this was the last platform I was ever on, 218 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:25,079 Speaker 4: I'm gucci, I ever needs to be nowhere. Everything besides 219 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 4: January fourteenth, nineteen ninety six has been a. 220 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 3: Nice little bonus. It has not been a requirement. 221 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 4: He's really been good to me, and I'm very grateful 222 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 4: in his faithfulness in my life. 223 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:43,959 Speaker 2: And so that's my answer. That a final question. 224 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 1: And both of you guys answered this, But them you said, 225 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 1: you know, God doesn't give you like an intro meeting 226 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 1: before he's like, hey, this is what I want you 227 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 1: to do. 228 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 2: Can you talk a bit about when you guys, you know, 229 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 2: I don't even. 230 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:58,079 Speaker 1: Know if you feel your purpose or you're just in 231 00:12:58,200 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 1: the moment and it's like, ooh, I think that this 232 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 1: is thing. 233 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 2: When that hits, that's you. 234 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 1: Feel good, and there's kind of almost like a I 235 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: feel complete feeling. But sometimes there are often feelings of 236 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 1: like am I doing enough? Am I doing it right? 237 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 1: Am I impacting people? 238 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 2: You know what I mean? And there's a mental weight 239 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 2: that that comes with. 240 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 1: Can you talk about that as well, because I think 241 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 1: in church you hear a lot about faith and purpose 242 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:25,559 Speaker 1: and you know, alignment, but people don't talk about the 243 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: heaviness of alignment and purpose and you know, walking. 244 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 2: With her path. Yeah, so. 245 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 4: This season, the last three years of my life have 246 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 4: been like all together, like beautiful and really frustrated. 247 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 2: Right. So, like. 248 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 4: Three and a half years ago, I was known in 249 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:57,079 Speaker 4: some like Christian circles and I had like thirty two 250 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 4: thousand followers on Instagram, and I was like, that's a 251 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:01,719 Speaker 4: small city. 252 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 2: That's amazing. 253 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:06,679 Speaker 4: I'm hyped, right, And then three and a half years later, 254 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 4: it's like are you a dude with the yellow glasses? 255 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 4: And I'm stopped in the airports in different countries and 256 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 4: I'm like you watch you. 257 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 2: Too, like you got over here. 258 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 4: And so. 259 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 3: That's still weird to me. 260 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 4: And because I lived in the Bible Belt and everything, 261 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 4: all of the ministry that grew was in the Bible Belt, 262 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 4: I felt this heaviness that I just got to break 263 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 4: through one last week in New York City, Like this 264 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 4: is brand new, Okay, So y'all last week when I 265 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 4: was in New York City, right, I was preaching at 266 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 4: this church, my. 267 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 3: Own business right. 268 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 2: And so what happened was. 269 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 4: After I was preaching, I was talking to two people 270 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 4: that lived in New York and they were like, we 271 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 4: might want to do a show with you, and I 272 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 4: was like. 273 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 3: That sounds scary. So they were like, you have no 274 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 3: idea how effective. 275 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 4: You are and how many people that are unbelievers listen 276 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 4: to you. 277 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 3: And one of the dudes started. 278 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 4: Crying and he was like like, we need you here, 279 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 4: and I was like, Joe, I think wait a minute. 280 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 4: Like it was like they were telling me how effective 281 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 4: I have been, and I was like, I haven't felt 282 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 4: like that because I've been fighting. 283 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:32,359 Speaker 2: With people. 284 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 6: And trying to convince people that don't understand my assignment 285 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 6: and don't want to know my assignment that this is 286 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 6: my assignment. 287 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, And then I was. 288 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 6: Like, wait a minute, I've been trying to convince the 289 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 6: wrong people in the wrong region. Like I was like, oh, 290 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 6: of course in the Bible Belt, you mad that I 291 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 6: cult because. 292 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 3: You're in the Bible Belt. But New York don't care. 293 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 6: Yeah, California don't care, Chicago don't care, port stars don't care, 294 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 6: entertainers don't care, NBA players don't care. 295 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 2: All these different people don't care. So that good old 296 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 2: cal Dan. 297 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 6: Tom doesn't belong to Texas. 298 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 3: And I have been fighting this fight for the last three. 299 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 2: Years with people that are already saying, I'm. 300 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 3: Like, why do you even care? 301 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 4: You're already going to heaven. 302 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 3: I'm trying to get your brandchild who don't listen to 303 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 3: your sermons, but they listen to my clips. 304 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 2: So I got free last week. Good feelings. It feels good. 305 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 3: It feels good. 306 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 6: But I have to acknowledge that for twenty seven years 307 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 6: I was serving in the church, so I really wanted 308 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 6: church people to get my assignment me and then I 309 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 6: was and now now I should have known because Pj's 310 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 6: my mentor. 311 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 3: That's why I'm here. 312 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 6: PJ, I've been at Seeds. I am proud to say 313 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 6: I've been at Seeds for twenty four twenty five of 314 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 6: these years ago, you know what I'm saying. And PJ 315 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 6: didn't bring me in when I was a preacher. He 316 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 6: brought me in when I was doing stand up comedy. 317 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:26,160 Speaker 3: He's seen every single version of. 318 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 6: Me and has still supported me and prayed for me 319 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 6: and encouraged me. 320 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 2: To so into me. 321 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:35,680 Speaker 6: So don't nobody say nothing bad about drome with a senior, 322 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:41,639 Speaker 6: and I will dump that off'na be too far. 323 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 2: I love me introverts like you that just sent up 324 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 2: the things going. You know what I mean? 325 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:54,639 Speaker 3: I like to get a cracking and then leaves and 326 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:55,360 Speaker 3: I'm mad. 327 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 2: I'm not bad at that. I let just die. Let 328 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 2: just die. I don't know if you had anything you 329 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:06,400 Speaker 2: wanted to add. No, No you didn't, Yeah you didn't. 330 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 6: That up, lady. 331 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: This is a really straightforward question for both of you, guys. 332 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 1: How can churches better partner with programs advocate advocacy organizations, 333 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 1: mental health organizations? 334 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:26,360 Speaker 3: Because this is. 335 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 2: New for a lot of people. 336 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 1: Not all churches are progressive, So how can they better partner? 337 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 2: And how do they start? 338 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:32,159 Speaker 6: Like? 339 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:33,439 Speaker 3: Is it one small step? 340 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 2: Is it? You jump right in? There's a mental health hotline? 341 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 2: Like what should they do? And how should they do it? 342 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 7: I think the beauty of it is that there's no 343 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 7: long way to do it. Sincerely, one of the things 344 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 7: that I really do love about this pretend through their 345 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 7: time in our lives is just that there's so the 346 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 7: conversations is not tabling anymore, Like we could just do 347 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:59,159 Speaker 7: away with that. There's sincerely has just been less and 348 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:02,719 Speaker 7: less less of a stigma associated with the honesty that 349 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 7: people do deal with things in their mind medically, mentally, physically, spiritually, emotionally, 350 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 7: and sincerely. You can put your heads together and a 351 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:14,159 Speaker 7: meeting to set up a production. We can put our 352 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 7: heads together in a meeting to set up a hob 353 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:19,879 Speaker 7: hotline for people to struggle. If the lands together for 354 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 7: everything else about who should tie and who should go wear, 355 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 7: and who should wear what and where suppress that can stand. 356 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 7: We can talk to one another about how we want 357 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 7: to facilitate conversations. 358 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:29,920 Speaker 3: In the church. 359 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 7: We're supposed to be the epicenter for the solutions that 360 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 7: we desire. 361 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 2: They're not supposed to be looking for them or waiting 362 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 2: for Sione to come do it. 363 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:42,680 Speaker 7: If you have questions about something, answer it first, prey 364 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 7: God answer it, and then become that solution. There's a 365 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 7: lot of the things that I think, what is my 366 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 7: personal frustration in the church. It's just that there is 367 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:58,160 Speaker 7: a wait for an outside answer. You don't have to oh, 368 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 7: well so and so every complaint you have is an 369 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 7: action for you to find an answer. If you don't 370 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:05,919 Speaker 7: like something that needs God gave it to you to 371 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:09,159 Speaker 7: go fix, to go find, to go bi solution to 372 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 7: that issue. Every single thing that we have problem with, 373 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 7: we also have the understanding to provide a solution to. 374 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:17,640 Speaker 2: So I think in. 375 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:21,200 Speaker 7: Churches as far as starting, find a faith based PCP 376 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:24,120 Speaker 7: that you can bring it into your church to talk 377 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 7: to your people. Find a faith based therapist that you 378 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:29,639 Speaker 7: can bring it into your church to talk to people. 379 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 7: Have you have a list on your site for everybody's 380 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 7: name and face. Put some therapists that you have in 381 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 7: your church on the website. Put some hotlines on the website. 382 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:42,640 Speaker 7: Figure out how to connect with your community leaders. Your 383 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:46,239 Speaker 7: community leadership know what church you're at, how they need 384 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 7: to connect with you, what they need to be doing, 385 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 7: because teens to be they only know what you tell them. 386 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 7: I can't help you with funding this year where we're 387 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 7: talking about where it needs to go for your members, 388 00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 7: for who they need to be connected with it. 389 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 2: I don't know that there's a problem. So we can sick, 390 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 2: we can communicate, we. 391 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:05,159 Speaker 7: Can, you know, figure out what it is that we 392 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 7: need to do, but also make it our responsibility to 393 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 7: do it. 394 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:12,680 Speaker 3: I just want to I just want to please Papa. 395 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:16,640 Speaker 2: I want to co sign. 396 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 4: When I was a lead pastor, I did a series 397 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 4: on mental health, and we had at the end of 398 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:30,640 Speaker 4: every single service, we had information to two counseling centers 399 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:35,639 Speaker 4: that we knew the owners personally, so and I have 400 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 4: been a client of one of them. So I was 401 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 4: doing out of the twenty nine and a half years 402 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 4: that I've been a believer in Jesus, I've been in 403 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:44,399 Speaker 4: therapy for twenty seven It's. 404 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 3: The reason why I haven't shot nobody. 405 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 4: The reason why I'm telling you, it's the reason why 406 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 4: I haven't gone off with nobody. 407 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. It's the reason why I haven't. 408 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:58,400 Speaker 4: Turned full Cat Williams on the Church. I'm being real serious. 409 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 4: If I ever win Cat Williams of the Church, I'll 410 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 4: scorch you. They would have to. 411 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 3: They wouldn't have service tomorrow if I went off. 412 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 1: I'm Laurna Rosa. This is the latest with Laura Rosa. 413 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:19,400 Speaker 1: At the end of the day, I tell you, guys, 414 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,639 Speaker 1: every episode my Lowriders, y'all could be anywhere with anybody 415 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:24,879 Speaker 1: having a conversation about this, but y'all choose to be 416 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 1: right here with me. I appreciate y'all for that. I 417 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:29,880 Speaker 1: will catch you in my next episode.