1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:09,079 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio. 5 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, 6 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 2: my name is Noah. 7 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 3: They call me Ben. We are joined as always with 8 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:34,840 Speaker 3: our super producer Dylan the Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly, 9 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:38,239 Speaker 3: you are you. You are here. That makes this the 10 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 3: stuff they don't want you to know. We always say 11 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 3: it because it's always true. You, fellow conspiracy realist. Specifically, 12 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:49,920 Speaker 3: you are the most important art of the show. We 13 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 3: couldn't be more over the moon, whether Earth's moons or 14 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 3: other moons in the Solar system, to welcome you to 15 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 3: our weekly listener male segment. Happy November twenty eighth. Guys, 16 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 3: when this comes out, it's going to be November twenty eighth, 17 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 3: which I think, does that mean everybody survive Thanksgiving? Or what? 18 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 3: What does that mean? 19 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 4: Whah? I would like to think. So, what does Nustra 20 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 4: Damas say? 21 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 2: What if nobody did? But we're recording this now and 22 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:22,320 Speaker 2: it gets played somehow accidentally on the radio or on 23 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:25,759 Speaker 2: somebody's auto play feature and it's just playing to no one. 24 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 3: And then here we are without our cravats, our bow ties, 25 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 3: our footmen and valets. 26 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 4: I'm not even wearing pants. 27 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I read the Uh, I read the injunction. 28 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:42,119 Speaker 2: But guys, guys, before we get started, before we get 29 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 2: start out, go very important announcement. Sure, somebody we know 30 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 2: just got appointed to be the administrator for the Center 31 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 2: for Medicare and Medicaid Services. I couldn't be more excited. 32 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 3: Tentatively appointed doesn't come in to effect until January. But yes, 33 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 3: our old coworker. 34 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 2: That's right. 35 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 5: He once made me an egg cream which contains neither 36 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 5: egg nor cream. Doctor Mehmet Oz. 37 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 2: Yes, oh we know this guy from back in two 38 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 2: thousand s. 39 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:17,919 Speaker 4: Just memat to us. 40 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 2: Dude, Well, he he's doctor Oz. 41 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 3: But I call him doctor Oh because I think it's cool. 42 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 2: But yes, the story is he and another doctor he 43 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 2: worked with, Doctor Rosen, wrote a series of books called 44 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 2: it It was the You series, like You, the Owner's Manual, 45 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 2: You on a diet, You being beautiful, and uh, they 46 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:41,919 Speaker 2: would come in and shoot we shot videos for them 47 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 2: and did that's doctor Oz. 48 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 5: Okay, So he goes back even further than my experience 49 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:49,359 Speaker 5: because when we first started working with kind of more 50 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 5: outside partners and agencies and stuff to do podcasts. He 51 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 5: was one of the first podcasts we ever had, And 52 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 5: I went to New York and helped set up a 53 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:57,959 Speaker 5: studio for him and he interviewed one of his Yeah, 54 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 5: he interviewed one of his doctor friends who was really 55 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 5: into talking about his family's legacy as the proprietors of 56 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:07,959 Speaker 5: a soda fountain in Queen's or maybe it was Long Island. 57 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:11,920 Speaker 5: And they made egg creams on the podcast and I 58 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 5: drank one that doctor oz himself Bay and I was 59 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:15,359 Speaker 5: right there in the room. 60 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 4: It was very surreal. 61 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 3: So what we're saying, folks, essentially is, aside from our 62 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 3: parent company, Illumination Global Unlimited, we are super plugged in, 63 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 3: which is part of how we figured out the truth 64 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 3: behind TV court shows. We're going to pause for a 65 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 3: word from our sponsor. We're going to dive into this 66 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 3: and thank you slash Ooh, I'm so mad at you 67 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 3: to all the people who wrote in with some great 68 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 3: puns as well, which we'll get to at the end. 69 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 3: But before we do any of that, have you ever 70 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 3: found yourself in a kangaroo Court. So we'll pause for 71 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 3: a word from our sponsors, and then we'll learn more 72 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 3: about the idea of a kangaroo court. 73 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 5: And we've returned with Ben, you teased it beautifully. We're 74 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 5: talking about TV court shows. We were talking about the 75 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 5: line between entertainment and litigation, and I think what better 76 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 5: way to start than with a message from Darcy with 77 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 5: a suggestion for a TV sitcom or perhaps it could 78 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 5: be a reality show court show. Here she goes, Hi, guys, 79 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:26,679 Speaker 5: I love your podcast. I also tuned into Ridiculous History 80 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 5: with Ben and Nola periodically, but stuff they don't want 81 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 5: you to know is still my go to podcast to 82 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:36,040 Speaker 5: destress after a long day. Here's a TV sitcom that 83 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 5: would be fun, Kangaroo Court. And I guess these are 84 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:42,719 Speaker 5: like kind of tenets of what the show would have 85 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 5: to consist of. Ignores due process, has a predetermined conclusion, 86 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 5: is biased against one party as a judge who colluded 87 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:52,280 Speaker 5: with one party. Has a jury that is not impartially 88 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 5: got to cast all these parts. Has proceedings that lack decorum. 89 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:59,039 Speaker 5: How dare you not have decorra has a process that 90 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:02,840 Speaker 5: is rushed to the point of being unfair. Has a 91 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:07,719 Speaker 5: court that interprets the law in an unreasonable way. A 92 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 5: kangaroo court, Darcy says, is a court that is so 93 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 5: far removed from legal norms that it is considered unfair unjust. 94 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 5: The phrase may have originated in Texas and may refer 95 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 5: to the gold Rush era practice of minors illegally taking 96 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 5: land claims from others and then being tried in mock 97 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 5: court rooms. 98 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 4: You can use my. 99 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:31,600 Speaker 5: Name and content. I promise I won't sue you, Darcy. 100 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 5: Thank you so much, Darcy. In looking into this in 101 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:38,720 Speaker 5: advance of this podcast recording, I found a really cool 102 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:41,799 Speaker 5: article from the Christian Science Monitor. 103 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 4: I remember those guys. 104 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:47,840 Speaker 5: Kangaroo court has a peculiarly American past. This is from 105 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 5: twenty nineteen, when the term was kind of seeing a 106 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 5: new resurgence after US Representative Steve Scalissi, is a Republican 107 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:01,600 Speaker 5: from Louisiana, tweeted out something against speaking out against Donald 108 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 5: Trump's impeachment proceedings and used the hashtag kangaroo court in 109 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:10,719 Speaker 5: a tweet, which is, you know, very much referring to 110 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 5: a concept that was outlined beautifully by Darcy. And just 111 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 5: to give a little bit more context. Storical context here 112 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 5: In seventeen seventy, Captain James Cook landed in Northern Australia 113 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 5: and wrote down the word king guru or kang guru. 114 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 4: That's r or g u. 115 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 1: Are you? 116 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 5: Then John Hunter mapped land near modern day Sydney and 117 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 5: learned that the word was in fact pata gorong. We've 118 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 5: got a little bit more history here about the word. 119 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:45,919 Speaker 5: Lancelot Threlkeld, which is a fabulous name, who was a 120 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:50,840 Speaker 5: missionary working north of Sydney heard it as moan A yeah. 121 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:56,040 Speaker 3: The Oxford English Dictionary considers the etymology as of yet 122 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:58,159 Speaker 3: not comprehensively solved. 123 00:06:58,520 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 5: I see. 124 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 4: So that's that's where they fallen on the matter. 125 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:04,159 Speaker 5: However, the Christian Science Monitors seems to think otherwise that 126 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:06,280 Speaker 5: it was a combination of these words. 127 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 4: That's not what we're talking about today. 128 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 5: We're talking less about the history of the etymology of 129 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 5: the word itself, but rather the practice of a kangaroo court. 130 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 5: So according to the Christian Science Monitor piece, which by 131 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 5: the way, it was written by Melissa Moore in October 132 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 5: of twenty nineteen, she says no one knows precisely where 133 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 5: the term comes from. It might have originated during the 134 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 5: lawless days of the California gold Rush, as Darcy pointed out, 135 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 5: when miners had to create their own court systems to 136 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 5: adjudicate disputes over claim jumping. Another theory speculates that these 137 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 5: courts earned the name kangaroo because they jump to conclusions 138 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 5: that's very, very fun The name, in fact may have 139 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 5: originated as a kind of game, a mock trial, which 140 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 5: is kind of funny considering what we're talking about with 141 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 5: TV court shows. In eighteen fifty three, there was a 142 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 5: book that described an early example of a kangaroo court 143 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 5: as a form of entertainment in mock trial that allowed 144 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 5: people in a tiny Texas town to pretend and play 145 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 5: the parts of powerful lawyers and judges. Then, of course 146 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 5: the term did evolve or devolve into a description of 147 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 5: a court proceeding that is completely stacked against the person 148 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 5: on trial. So good example is of twentieth century kangaroo 149 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 5: courts would be Joseph Stalin's kangaroo courts, where anybody, you know, 150 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 5: they had to on paper have the appearance of some 151 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 5: sort of you know, justice being carried out, but in 152 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:38,439 Speaker 5: fact the outcome was predetermined. 153 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I love that You're mentioning there. Oh. First off, Darcy, 154 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 3: thank you so much for writing in. Really enjoyed this. 155 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 3: We've got to mention a little bit more about the 156 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 3: first recorded citation of the phrase kangaroo court eighteen fifty three. 157 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 3: As you alluded to, Noel, it was called a stray 158 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:03,680 Speaker 3: Yankee in Texas, and they use the phrase kangaroo court, 159 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 3: but they also use the phrase mustang court, and they 160 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 3: spell it differently. It's fascinating because the earliest version of 161 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 3: this phrase is not Australia, it is American. 162 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 5: That's exactly right, and that is in fact the sentiment 163 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 5: of the Christian Science Monitor article title kangaroo court has 164 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 5: a peculiarly American pass to You're absolutely correct, Bend. The 165 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:31,679 Speaker 5: examples that we know historically did come from the California 166 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 5: gold rush area and this mock trial kind of situation 167 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:39,319 Speaker 5: for the entertainment of the public, much like court shows 168 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 5: in Texas. And just to mention as another example of 169 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 5: this kind of popping up again, we mentioned the court proceedings, 170 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 5: the impeachment proceedings against then President Donald Trump. And you know, history, 171 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 5: like you say, Ben, doesn't always repeat, but it sure rhymes. 172 00:09:56,640 --> 00:10:00,319 Speaker 5: We now have this term kind of jumping up a again, 173 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 5: pointing to the accused weaponization of the justice system against Trump. 174 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 5: Something he said a lot on the campaign trail was 175 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 5: that his political rivals were weaponizing the justice system in 176 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 5: order to take him down, in order to neutralize him. 177 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 5: He often referred to it as a plot by the 178 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 5: Biden administration, and there were, you know, plenty of folks 179 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 5: on his side that would argue the very same thing. 180 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:32,959 Speaker 5: Trump often said that other legal scholars, you know, backed 181 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 5: him up, and that this was, in fact, this hush 182 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 5: money trial is what we're talking about now, by the way, 183 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 5: in which a panel of twelve New Yorkers did, in 184 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 5: fact convict Trump, you know, of these crimes, you know, 185 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 5: for accepting or for organizing the payment of hush money 186 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 5: to the adult film actress Stormy Daniels. But some good 187 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:54,839 Speaker 5: examples of the things someone might say if they were 188 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 5: in a kangaroo court situation were some of these quotes 189 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:00,120 Speaker 5: from Trump saying, mother Teresa could not beat these charges. 190 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 5: These charges are rigged. The whole thing is rigged. The 191 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 5: idea of the verdict was a preconceived notion. So the 192 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 5: term kangaroo court has been and continues to be thrown 193 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 5: around for these court proceedings by the supporters and colleagues, 194 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 5: allies of Donald Trump, the idea that it's a conspiracy 195 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 5: on the part of the left's, you know, leaning side 196 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 5: of the US government. And that's the thing about terms 197 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:31,559 Speaker 5: like this, right, I mean, there certainly are historical examples 198 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 5: like the Stalin trials. Very clearly no one ever had 199 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 5: a chance, you know, of getting a fair trial. But 200 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 5: it is a really good example of kind of the 201 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 5: rhetoric wherein by calling something fake news, or calling something 202 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 5: is stolen election, or calling something a kangaroo court enough times, 203 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 5: it starts to delegitimize the proceedings, you know, in a 204 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 5: way that can in fact stick with folks, you know, 205 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:57,199 Speaker 5: in terms of the court of public opinion. 206 00:11:57,520 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 2: Just alter that perception just enough. 207 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:03,319 Speaker 5: That's right, oh man, And I almost forgot In terms 208 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 5: of another great example of what a kangaroo court is, 209 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 5: Matt made a note in our Strange News document that 210 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 5: he found the perfect example from one of the great 211 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 5: moments in pop culture, the Mike Judge film Idiocracy. We 212 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:20,959 Speaker 5: don't see if we can't come up with a vidict 213 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:23,679 Speaker 5: up in here now resecute him. 214 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 3: Why you think You've done it. 215 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 5: Okay, number one, your honor, just look at him. Check 216 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 5: this out, man, Joe should be like guilty. 217 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 2: Peace, that's it. 218 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 4: That's it, and that's what happens. 219 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 5: So huge thanks to you, Darcy for bringing this up, 220 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 5: because I do think it's a very interesting thing that 221 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 5: some people maybe have heard the term but weren't aware 222 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 5: of the history and really the kind of cultural relevance, 223 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 5: because it is very much something. You know, we do 224 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 5: live in interesting times, and now that we do have 225 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:57,439 Speaker 5: Donald Trump as president again, he has claimed to go 226 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 5: after his political rivals, so I do tend to wonder 227 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:03,560 Speaker 5: if we may start seeing some Stalin esque kangaroo courts 228 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 5: on behalf of the Trump administration against folks who he 229 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 5: sees as having persecuted him in the past. Take a 230 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 5: break here, work more, sponsor, and then come back with 231 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:14,439 Speaker 5: more messages from you. 232 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 3: And we have returned. We're going to go directly to 233 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 3: Blue about blue zones, who followed up on a recent 234 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 3: statement we had regarding the concept of blue zones. Let's 235 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 3: go straight to the email, and then we are going 236 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:41,320 Speaker 3: to explore it together, hopefully with you playing along at 237 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 3: home or wherever you are in this wide wide world, 238 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 3: Blue about Blue Zones, you said in the recent episode 239 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 3: about the Amish abuse scandal, you made reference to the 240 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 3: blue zones of the world where people are known to 241 00:13:56,520 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 3: live longer, and added that community is a cop invariable 242 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 3: in these blue zones. You know what else is a 243 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 3: common variable, fraud, deceit lies. Allegedly, a researcher named doctor 244 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 3: Saul Justin Newman recently won an ignoble prize for his 245 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 3: research debunking blue zones, claiming that the secret to an 246 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 3: exceptionally long life is actually a lack of paper trail 247 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 3: and plenty of bension fraud. This is me, says Blue 248 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 3: about Blue Zones, leading you to the edge of the 249 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 3: rabbit hole. I could not be more pleased with this, 250 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 3: fellow conspiracy realist, Blue about Blue Zones, thank you so much. 251 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 3: We learned about this idea a long time ago in 252 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 3: our pursuit with our Alma matter How stuff works? Blue zones, 253 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 3: what do you think, guys? The best way to describe 254 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 3: them as the idea that there are a couple of communities, 255 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 3: a handful of communities across the world wherein the average person, 256 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 3: the average human being has a much higher chance of 257 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 3: reaching the age of one hundred. Is that not about, right? 258 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, or at least having an elongated lifespan of some sort, right, 259 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 2: longer than surrounding areas and averages for like a country 260 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 2: or something. 261 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, before we go into what you're saying blue about 262 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 3: blue zones and I love that description there, Matt. Please know, folks, 263 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 3: there are purported four to seven places like Okinawa or 264 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 3: Sardinia in Italy, Okinawa's and Japan technically Lo Melnda, California, 265 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 3: or of course Costa Rica. You'll also find areas of 266 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 3: New Jersey cited as blue zones. And for the casual reader, 267 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 3: this can seem like something incredibly cool, super fascinating, Like 268 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 3: what if there is a place in the world that 269 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 3: you can move to and just by living there you 270 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 3: will have a higher quality of life and you'll have 271 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 3: a longer quality of life experience. 272 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 4: Right. 273 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 3: So, a lot of people like the average age of 274 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 3: death varies country to country. It's higher in developed countries 275 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 3: than it is in underdeveloped countries, but the expiration date 276 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 3: for the average person in a country doesn't factor in. 277 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 3: Like the good times, you know, how long are you 278 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 3: hail and hardy and walking around and having adventures versus 279 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 3: how many decades do you spend sipping that peace soup 280 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 3: through a straw. 281 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 2: No, you're right, man. As long as you're increasing the 282 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 2: quality of life, as you said, and not just the length, 283 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 2: then these are great. 284 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 3: And I'm it's not maybe right. 285 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 4: We haven't. 286 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 3: We've talked about blue zones, but we're not qualified experts 287 00:16:56,800 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 3: studying them. This is why the research by doctor Saul 288 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:05,639 Speaker 3: Justin Newman has rocked the assumptions about blue zones on 289 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:11,359 Speaker 3: their foundations. Our buddy, doctor Newman won the first ever 290 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 3: Ignoble Award in the field of demography, in the field 291 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:20,879 Speaker 3: of studying this, and he wanted because as you are 292 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 3: alluding to blue about blue zones, he looked into the 293 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 3: math like a lot of people are gonna say yes 294 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 3: to this. There's a cool place somewhere in Japan. There's 295 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 3: a cool place somewhere in California. If you show up, 296 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 3: not only will you live to become a centenarian, but 297 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:40,120 Speaker 3: you'll also have a way better time in your eighties 298 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:45,120 Speaker 3: and maybe even your nineties. Unfortunately, when he looked at 299 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 3: the research, he found a lot of it was based 300 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:55,160 Speaker 3: on optimism maybe or willful ignorance of things like the 301 00:17:55,200 --> 00:18:01,359 Speaker 3: government records of birth dates and death dates. Doctor Newman 302 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 3: showed all these like he was He's like a guy 303 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:09,120 Speaker 3: who issues a mixtape where he fires shots at all 304 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:12,440 Speaker 3: the other rappers. Because he said, all right, blue zones 305 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 3: only makes sense if you want them to make sense 306 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 3: and you don't look into the research further. He said, 307 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 3: those myths about the world's oldest person, you know, the 308 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:28,400 Speaker 3: number one award with the highest turnover historically. He said, 309 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:31,440 Speaker 3: that only makes sense if you ignore the fact that 310 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 3: a lot of the documentation gets skewed because these people 311 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 3: are from you know, one hundred years ago. I don't know, 312 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 3: it's it's kind of a bummer. Maybe we should talk 313 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 3: a little bit about the Ignoble Prize as well. 314 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 2: I do, But first the blue zones. This is my understanding. 315 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 2: Correct me if I'm wrong here. One of the primary 316 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 2: things about blue zones in the past that I've read 317 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:57,359 Speaker 2: were about the diets of very specific regions, and that's 318 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 2: playing a major part in you know, how long somebody 319 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 2: lives because you're more healthy because you're getting more X 320 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:07,119 Speaker 2: in your diet. In a lot of places, it's a 321 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:12,639 Speaker 2: specific vegetable or specific type of very specific type of 322 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 2: meat that is consumed more highly than others. And I'm 323 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:21,160 Speaker 2: just imagining how if enough of us think or believe 324 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 2: that those specific pieces of produce will elongate our lives, 325 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 2: then those fruits and vegetables become fad things, right. 326 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:33,120 Speaker 3: Very department of truth, by the way, I'm. 327 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:35,360 Speaker 2: Sorry, well, I mean but it's true though, because then 328 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:39,359 Speaker 2: that becomes like I'm imagining there's a new place that 329 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:41,920 Speaker 2: just open up near me that specializes in like smoothies 330 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 2: and whole foods and super fruits and all these things. 331 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 2: A lot of these again, like naturally growing things in 332 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 2: specific parts of the world that are now being grown 333 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 2: in mass and shipped all over everywhere, including North Georgia, 334 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:58,359 Speaker 2: where people you know, consume as many of those berries 335 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:01,200 Speaker 2: or those Japanese swee potas those as they possibly can 336 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 2: because they think that it's going to lead them to 337 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 2: these healthier lives. And you can also embolden companies to 338 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 2: I'm just saying it. I don't know, there's something. 339 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, wheels within wheels. Not to be too Charlie Day 340 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:16,360 Speaker 3: about it. I need more red strings on the back. 341 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 3: I need to decorate this place where I record I 342 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:22,880 Speaker 3: look like a serial killer anyway, there. You're absolutely right, Matt, 343 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 3: because the typical factors for what creates a blue zone 344 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 3: would be a local diet, right, or a whole foods diet, 345 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 3: you would call it, right, and the you know, the 346 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 3: Mediterranean diet is a great example of this. It's higher 347 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:44,879 Speaker 3: in vegetable matter, it's a little lower in carbs. Protein 348 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 3: is not an every meal part of existence. And then 349 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:55,120 Speaker 3: you would also have rich social interactions or community, low stress, 350 00:20:55,400 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 3: you have a baked in amount of physical activity, which honestly, 351 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 3: physical activity plus diet, they're probably like the two big 352 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 3: factors that will help people feel healthier for longer. And 353 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:13,680 Speaker 3: I don't want to discount rich social interactions or community. 354 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 3: You know, unfortunately here in the United States and in 355 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:22,160 Speaker 3: other parts of the world, as people become elderly and 356 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 3: their friends and community members pass away, they find themselves 357 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:31,199 Speaker 3: increasingly isolated. And that kind of isolation can be quite dangerous, 358 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 3: not just to mental health, but to physical health as well. 359 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 3: And you know, we don't have to get too into 360 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 3: the weeds on this, but I think all five of us, Dylan, 361 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 3: Matt Nole, yours truly and you listening at home, I 362 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,640 Speaker 3: think all five of us have seen some version of this. 363 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure. 364 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 2: Although my diet is absolute crap. I'm fully isolated. I'm 365 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:54,399 Speaker 2: just boxing a lot, and I feel like I'm the 366 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:55,400 Speaker 2: healthiest I've ever been. 367 00:21:56,760 --> 00:22:00,639 Speaker 3: I'm bullish. I'm bullish on crap man. That fecal transplant 368 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 3: episode persuaded me. 369 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 2: It fill me up with your perfect I. 370 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:10,120 Speaker 5: Told my girlfriend about that episode. You guys, now, that's 371 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:11,640 Speaker 5: not a thing. It's not real. 372 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 3: She just blocked it out, just refused to believe that 373 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 3: it is day it is. 374 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 4: I told her. 375 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:21,640 Speaker 3: So we'll show this up to by mentioning the IG 376 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 3: Nobel Prize. Please check out the excellent episodes by our 377 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:29,160 Speaker 3: pals over Stuff to blow your mind about the IG 378 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 3: Nobel Prize. It is a satirical prize. It's kind of, 379 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:37,360 Speaker 3: you know, twisting the cheeks or a little adam boy 380 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:41,920 Speaker 3: to the Nobel Prize, which was funded by the guy 381 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:45,160 Speaker 3: who made up dynamite and later felt bad about it. 382 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 3: That's the best log line for the Nobel Prize. 383 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 2: Wait for the Nobel or the. 384 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 3: The ig Nobel makes fun of the Nobel Prize, and 385 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 3: the Nobel Prize only exists because that guy killed a 386 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 3: ton of people by inventing dynamite. 387 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 2: But he also made minds happen. 388 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,920 Speaker 3: To get all the higher great points. 389 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 2: Great points. 390 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, the actual facts. Shout out to our pal Lauren Vogelbaum. 391 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:19,880 Speaker 3: Credit where it's due, the actual facts. Nobel Prizes are 392 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 3: five separate awards that are that are you know, meant 393 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:31,679 Speaker 3: to acknowledge advances in humanity's weird long form game of 394 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:37,879 Speaker 3: improv primarily to assuash the conscience of Alfred Nobel, who again, 395 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 3: through his inventions, killed a lot of people. The Ignoble 396 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 3: Prize is not necessarily mean. It's not like the Darwin 397 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 3: Awards when you make fun of people who died. The 398 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 3: Ignoble Prizes are like if the Onion bought the Nobel 399 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 3: Prize foundation. They are to honor achievements that make people 400 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 3: laugh and then make them think. And with this debunking 401 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:05,159 Speaker 3: of blue zones we see one of the most well 402 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 3: deserved Ignoble Prizes ever. It also, i would argue, prompts 403 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 3: a larger conversation about what the future of lifespan will 404 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,439 Speaker 3: be for humans on this planet. I posit to you, 405 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:24,200 Speaker 3: guys that we will see a growing inequality of lifespan. 406 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,959 Speaker 3: It's already there. Between the haves and the have nots. 407 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 3: But as we see it becomes more expensive to eat 408 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 3: healthy food, as we see it becomes increasingly difficult to 409 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 3: live in healthy environments, as we see it become increasingly 410 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 3: implausible to avoid stuff like microplastics or airborne contaminants, We're 411 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 3: going to see that one of the best indicators of 412 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:50,639 Speaker 3: long term health and life expectancy. Tell me if it's crazy, guys, 413 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 3: I think it's going to be income and net worth. 414 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, it certainly does feel like whenever we talk about 415 00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 5: things like life extension technology and and the conspiracy theories 416 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:06,399 Speaker 5: behind say certain industries holding back you know, cures and 417 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 5: remedies or perhaps you know, saving them only for the 418 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,679 Speaker 5: one percent of the one percent of the one percent, 419 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 5: it does feel like we're already kind of heading in 420 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:16,159 Speaker 5: that direction. 421 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, yet, do you have time and the 422 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:25,880 Speaker 2: energy to get exercise on a regular basis? If you do, 423 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 2: you likely have enough money to where, you know, whatever 424 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 2: other worries or you know, responsibilities you've got, you can 425 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 2: at least push off a little ways onto either somebody 426 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 2: else by paying them or you know, we've talked about 427 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 2: that before with wealth, Like that's why it's not a rule, 428 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,720 Speaker 2: but often when you see someone come into money, they 429 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 2: get like super in shape compared to what they have 430 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 2: been because they have all this time. 431 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 5: They're taking luxury, which you should focus on your summer 432 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 5: that it's seen that way. 433 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 4: Like there has to be in the society like a luxury. 434 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,920 Speaker 5: Really, you know, it's unfortunate that everyone doesn't have the 435 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 5: opportunity or they have to like take it where they 436 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 5: can get it. And not to mention things like food 437 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,359 Speaker 5: deserts or people that don't have access to fresh fruits 438 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,640 Speaker 5: and vegetables because of economic reasons. 439 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:15,199 Speaker 3: I want everybody to live the best life possible for 440 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 3: as long as possible, you know, just don't hurt other people. 441 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:23,879 Speaker 3: The food desert thing is a big sticking point, you know. 442 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,400 Speaker 3: Here in Atlanta, we have a lot of food deserts 443 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 3: and we don't talk about it too publicly, but we 444 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:34,440 Speaker 3: work assiduously to address that through asymmetrical means. And unfortunately, 445 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:40,919 Speaker 3: the need to resort to asymmetrical solutions is only a 446 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 3: consequence of lack of legislation, right, lack of the ability 447 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 3: to help people, the idea that not being in the 448 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:54,440 Speaker 3: one percent should consign a person and multiple generations thereof 449 00:26:54,840 --> 00:27:00,400 Speaker 3: to some massive disadvantage. It's just gross, it's unclean, and 450 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:04,160 Speaker 3: the world population can do better. Let me step down 451 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,399 Speaker 3: off this soapbox real quick. But I think we can 452 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:10,680 Speaker 3: all agree with that. Sure, yeah, baby would be nice, 453 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:15,199 Speaker 3: It would be nice. It would also be massive to 454 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 3: win a Nobel or an ag Nobel prize. Will take 455 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,640 Speaker 3: either one. While you're filling out the submission form for that, 456 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,359 Speaker 3: we can't wait to hear your results. We're going to 457 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,399 Speaker 3: pause for a word from our sponsors, will return with 458 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 3: more messages from you. Court is in session. 459 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 2: Boom, and we've returned, and we're going to be reading 460 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 2: a story that was sent to us by Beefy. This 461 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 2: is a fairly long one, guys, so if you don't mind, 462 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,360 Speaker 2: let's do this together. I love it when we do that. 463 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 4: Chucks. 464 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. I will start us off here, and this is 465 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 2: just a note about the story from Beefy. The names 466 00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 2: have been changed to protect the innocent, even though we're 467 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,119 Speaker 2: not sure if Beefy already changed the names. We just 468 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 2: changed them one more time. So there's so nobody is 469 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 2: getting in trouble for anything. 470 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:13,879 Speaker 3: It's not short for Beefjamen, folks, so don't try to 471 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:15,679 Speaker 3: go forensic. We've got this covered. 472 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 4: That's right. 473 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:20,199 Speaker 2: Here we go. Hey guys, this is Beefy. I'm in Denver, 474 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 2: been here since two thousand and one, but I grew 475 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,920 Speaker 2: up in Boston. I'm forty six years old. I borrowed 476 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 2: some money from my friend and his living partner some 477 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:32,159 Speaker 2: time ago. Let's call them. Craig, my male best friend 478 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:36,159 Speaker 2: for fifteen years, and Betty, his female girlfriend at the 479 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 2: time they lived together. She had a young son of 480 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 2: five or so that lived with them part time. Betty 481 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 2: was an adult dancer, which is only relevant because of 482 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 2: this stupid court show. 483 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:52,719 Speaker 3: You continue there, Beefy. I borrowed one thousand dollars of 484 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 3: each of them to start a small business thing. I'm 485 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 3: a handyman in Denver. Some time went by and they 486 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 3: had a falling out. It was very bad and ugly, 487 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 3: and Betty pulled some shady stuff, so I did not 488 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 3: pay her back. I did pay Craig back, but her nah. 489 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 5: A year or so went by and I randomly got 490 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 5: a call and it was people from the Judge Mathis show. 491 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 4: They said, do you want to be on. 492 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,720 Speaker 5: TV about your case? I was like hell no, mthan no. 493 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 5: Then they told me that they pay the judgment if 494 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 5: I go on the show, and I was like, what, why, 495 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 5: and they said it's the only way some people will 496 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 5: agree to it. 497 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 2: They also told me that they would fly me and 498 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 2: Craig out and put us up in a hotel and 499 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 2: we would get like one hundred and fifty dollars in. 500 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 3: Food vouchers US dollars. 501 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's correct, and I was like, f it, let's 502 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 2: get it done. We flew to Chicago, got picked up 503 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 2: in limos at the airport, and stayed in some bougie hotel. 504 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 2: We then went to Buka Tobpo and ate. 505 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 5: As only the bo good to bestow, and ate. 506 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 2: So much free Italian food we probably should have died 507 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 2: from heart attacks that night. The next day was insane 508 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:11,520 Speaker 2: and weird. 509 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,959 Speaker 3: They made us dress nicely, but I wasn't good at this, 510 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 3: so they provided me with a shirt that I would 511 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 3: normally not wear. They brought us to this building where 512 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 3: we walked through a large warehouse type of place, lights 513 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 3: and crap everywhere. Then we had to stay in this 514 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 3: room while we waited to be on the show. People 515 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,360 Speaker 3: came in periodically and tried to coach me on what 516 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 3: to say. They wanted me to play it up a 517 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 3: bit for entertainment purposes, et cetera. I said, sure, whatever, 518 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 3: and waited like six hours in this room. 519 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 5: When they finally let us into the show, we walked 520 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 5: through this very packed warehouse type of place and then 521 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 5: bam right into this friggin courtroom in the middle of 522 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 5: the warehouse. 523 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 4: It was the show. 524 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 5: It was so surreal and gross. But then we walked 525 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 5: up to the podiums and Craig sat next to me. 526 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 5: The judge then did the thing and asked us about it. 527 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 5: The judge and the dorky bailiff guy made stupid jokes 528 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 5: about Betty being an adult dancer and a stripper, and 529 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 5: the audience laughed, and I died inside a little. 530 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 4: It's so unlike me to be doing this. 531 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 5: Then she told her story, and they clearly told her 532 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 5: to spice it up a bit. 533 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 2: And here's a little side note included by Beef. Craig 534 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,959 Speaker 2: and I are in the hardcore scene here in Denver. 535 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 2: That's a hardcore music scene. The shows there get pretty 536 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 2: wild and at times violent, or they can seem that 537 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 2: way at least. So she then tells them how crazy 538 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 2: we are, and we jump on speakers and kick and 539 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 2: punch each other for fun at these shows. The judge 540 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 2: then looks at me and says, like heavy metal stuff, 541 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 2: and I say, it's more punk based. Ah, so embarrassing. 542 00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 3: Then I have to explain what happened and I did 543 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 3: not spice it up nor play along. They decided I 544 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 3: owed the money, duh, and banged the gavel and sent 545 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 3: us packing. They then walked us out of the building. 546 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 3: The whole time we walked to the cars, this lady 547 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 3: shamed me over and over again for not spicing it 548 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 3: up for the TV and not playing along. I was like, whatever, lady, 549 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,720 Speaker 3: this isn't real. Just take me to the goddamn airport, 550 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 3: which they did and we flew straight back to Denver. 551 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 4: What a trip. 552 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 5: To this day, I can't find that video. It aired 553 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 5: and a lot of people made fun of me for it. 554 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 5: They were constantly saying, a low, dull voice, it's more 555 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 5: punk based. To rasp me about it. That's funny, lol. 556 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 5: I wish I could find that video. I tried searching 557 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 5: for it and nothing comes up. And Matt, I believe 558 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 5: you did some digging and similarly came. 559 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 4: Up with nothing. 560 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 2: I went through so many judge mathis clips today, you guys, 561 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:03,640 Speaker 2: with all kinds of key words the roommate, loan, money, handyman, 562 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 2: a dancers, Yeah, and just there's nothing that I could 563 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,520 Speaker 2: find that matched what this is, or at least the 564 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 2: story that we've got from Beef. But if you find 565 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,080 Speaker 2: it that we're putting out the call right now before 566 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 2: we end. If you find it, you better send it 567 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,840 Speaker 2: to us, please please, but also you better, but please 568 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:30,880 Speaker 2: it's conspiracy at iHeartRadio dot com. If you find it, 569 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 2: center our way, Okay. 570 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,560 Speaker 3: We also want to thank everybody who wrote in with 571 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 3: some surprisingly surprisingly immediate first hand experiences with TV court shows. 572 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 3: I think we hit a nerve on that one, and 573 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 3: thank you so much to everybody for listening. Also, Matt, 574 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:53,600 Speaker 3: you know what really stands out about our pal Beefe's 575 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 3: correspondence here is what we were arguing earlier. The producers 576 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:03,640 Speaker 3: are eternally attempting to make people, you know, spice things up. 577 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,080 Speaker 5: I think I've probably mentioned it on the show before 578 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,399 Speaker 5: because it's too stupid not to have, but I did 579 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:13,920 Speaker 5: help actually on a pilot for a reality show with 580 00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,600 Speaker 5: the unfortunate title The Underground Runway. 581 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:17,799 Speaker 4: I don't think it ever got picked up. 582 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,640 Speaker 5: But it was basically about a bunch of bougie buckhead women, 583 00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 5: which is like kind of like an affluent neighborhood here 584 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:26,360 Speaker 5: in Atlanta, starting a fashion brand in their basement. And 585 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,399 Speaker 5: they called it the Underground Runway, which I just think 586 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:34,319 Speaker 5: is very unfortunate. But the producer it was just more 587 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:38,400 Speaker 5: or less telling everyone exactly what to say in those testimonials, 588 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:43,719 Speaker 5: coercing at the very least oftentimes straight up scripting for them. 589 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:48,920 Speaker 2: Hmm, well yeah, I can imagine if you are being 590 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,239 Speaker 2: told you're convinced to go out there, you're putting in 591 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,239 Speaker 2: a you know, a luxury hotel, the limo picks you 592 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 2: up from the airport, you go to Buka, to freaking befo. 593 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,359 Speaker 5: Didn't they file for bankruptcy, by the way, I think 594 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,040 Speaker 5: they filed. 595 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 3: For the bankruptcy. 596 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,160 Speaker 4: Yes, But. 597 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,359 Speaker 2: The whole point is if you're in you're experiencing all 598 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,040 Speaker 2: of that, right, and you're aware, and they're making you 599 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:19,640 Speaker 2: painfully aware that you actually don't have any consequences for 600 00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:23,840 Speaker 2: anything that's happening here. I can imagine you might say, oh, sure, 601 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,000 Speaker 2: yeah we can, we can have a little fun with 602 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,000 Speaker 2: this thing, and don't you. 603 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,200 Speaker 3: Like, don't you want to be on TV. 604 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:32,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I can totally. 605 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,640 Speaker 3: See you see it as well, and we maybe we 606 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:39,920 Speaker 3: end up sharing more of these TV Court show responses 607 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:44,600 Speaker 3: in future listener mail programs, if we if we have 608 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:48,719 Speaker 3: just a little bit of time. We also got amazing reactions, 609 00:35:50,760 --> 00:36:00,120 Speaker 3: particular reactions to our run of improvised porn parody movie puns. 610 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,760 Speaker 3: Yeah it's yeah. This is our official letter from moment. 611 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:08,520 Speaker 3: I think we're all impressed by our pal, Dylan Tennessee 612 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,080 Speaker 3: pal Fagan's contributions to the chat. 613 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,319 Speaker 2: Here we go, who, by the way, has changed his 614 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:18,080 Speaker 2: name now to Dylan quote more punk based unquote Fagan. 615 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:23,000 Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, he's more punk based. He's locally, locally sourced 616 00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,560 Speaker 3: punk based, which gets into. 617 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:26,560 Speaker 4: His blue zo. 618 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,839 Speaker 3: All right, all right, so letters from home, Hi, game, 619 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,560 Speaker 3: love the show. You can call me Deputy Drew and 620 00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,280 Speaker 3: use this on air. A few of my favorite parody 621 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,640 Speaker 3: movie names. And I don't know if these have been 622 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,279 Speaker 3: used on air or if I just heard them and 623 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,800 Speaker 3: made them up at some point. So these the following 624 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:48,840 Speaker 3: you hear, are Deputy Drew. They're not us writing this. Gentlemen, 625 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:53,160 Speaker 3: I suggest we round robin these just for fun. First one, 626 00:36:53,400 --> 00:37:00,239 Speaker 3: Harry pooter and the Sorcerer's bone. Oh. 627 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,160 Speaker 2: The next one is broke back mounting. 628 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:09,520 Speaker 5: Lethal whooping. H I don't know about that. What's whooping? 629 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:15,120 Speaker 5: Maybe lethal whoopye would be I think that's a misnumber there. 630 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,280 Speaker 3: I don't know if Deputy Drew has taking notes. 631 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,600 Speaker 5: But we're here to help. We are making whoopee. It's 632 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,279 Speaker 5: not making whooping. Getting a whooping is getting your ass 633 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:24,160 Speaker 5: beat by your mom. 634 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,160 Speaker 2: And that's a different show, by the way. That's we're 635 00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:26,680 Speaker 2: here to help. 636 00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:32,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, thank you, you're picking it up. So also, 637 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:36,719 Speaker 3: instead of final destination, anal destination. Next one is one 638 00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:40,319 Speaker 3: of my favorites for the silly factor, Tiller on the roof. 639 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,560 Speaker 5: If and then if you're into a little bit more 640 00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,600 Speaker 5: of vanilla sex, you can go for a missionary. Impossible. 641 00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,839 Speaker 3: Wouldn't that be the opposite of vanilla sex, Like it's 642 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:53,560 Speaker 3: impossible for us to have missionary? 643 00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,160 Speaker 5: There you go, I say, you know what it's all, 644 00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:57,440 Speaker 5: it's it's a creative liberty. 645 00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,360 Speaker 4: That's up to the filmmakers. 646 00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,840 Speaker 3: We're gonna skip one so we can go to I 647 00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:07,960 Speaker 3: think the most subtle and amazing not home Alone. There 648 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,440 Speaker 3: are levels to that one, and I'm not sure, I 649 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:11,800 Speaker 3: like all the levels. 650 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:15,680 Speaker 4: I don't think I understand. 651 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,840 Speaker 2: Well, okay, so we're implying that there are other people 652 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,480 Speaker 2: in the house. Maybe the person believes their home alone, 653 00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,879 Speaker 2: but they're not, and maybe it's their stepsister. No wait what, 654 00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:32,440 Speaker 2: you're a you dirty dog again. 655 00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:36,319 Speaker 3: We're reading these contributions from our pal, Deputy Drew, who 656 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:37,440 Speaker 3: has worked on this for. 657 00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:38,080 Speaker 4: A long time. 658 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,319 Speaker 5: Indeed, I guess we could wrap it up with my 659 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,359 Speaker 5: personal favorite, the Lizard of Watts. 660 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:48,720 Speaker 3: Get it. It's not like oz wads. Shout out also 661 00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,759 Speaker 3: to our pal, we'll just call you thh for this 662 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:55,239 Speaker 3: one who said the whole email is just this one. 663 00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:59,799 Speaker 3: Oppenheimen might just leave it there. Well, yeah, well done. 664 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:04,440 Speaker 3: If you want to join the cause, no pun left behind, 665 00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:06,759 Speaker 3: we would love to hear from you. Tell us what 666 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:10,640 Speaker 3: you think this is not a legally recognized court in 667 00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:14,040 Speaker 3: the United States that we do have some paperwork pending 668 00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:17,759 Speaker 3: in Vanuatu. In the meantime, we'd love to have you 669 00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,640 Speaker 3: be part of the show on air. Tell us your thoughts, 670 00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,600 Speaker 3: tell us new episodes. 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