1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:01,960 Speaker 1: The volume. 2 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 2: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. What is up 3 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:21,919 Speaker 2: straight Fire, fam, It's me Jason McIntyre. Straight Fire for Tuesday, 4 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 2: July twenty fifth. Had a lot of fun hosting the 5 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 2: Herd yesterday. It was a blast. I'll be back today 6 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 2: with some fiery takes. We have a tremendous guest here 7 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 2: on the podcast today, Ladies and gentlemen. I was not 8 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 2: really aware of this gentleman before he came on the podcast. 9 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 2: His name is Chase Griffin. He is a backup quarterback 10 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 2: at UCLA. But more importantly, he is the reigning NIL 11 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 2: National Male Athlete of the Year, and he is cleaning 12 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 2: up on the name, image and likeness front in college football. 13 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 2: He is a senior with the Bruins. He played a 14 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 2: little bit as a I guess this is a sophomore 15 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty. The COVID year sixty d passes, you know, 16 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:13,400 Speaker 2: four hundred yards passing in the truncated season. But more importantly, 17 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 2: he is basically the blueprint for what athletes should follow 18 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 2: when it comes to NIL. Now, Chase s Griffin. I'll 19 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:22,479 Speaker 2: get to a couple other stories in a moment before 20 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 2: we get to Chase His background is incredible. I was 21 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 2: able to find a story that ESPN wrote about him 22 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 2: when he was a thirteen year old eighth grader. This 23 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 2: guy was like on the track, on the track to 24 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:36,319 Speaker 2: be like an incredible player. And he was in high school. 25 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 2: He was the Texas State Player of the Year, Gatorade 26 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 2: State Player of the Year in Texas where football is king. 27 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 2: He was like a ball boy at Elite eleven and 28 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 2: was like hanging out with and again, this is you know, 29 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 2: as a young kid like Johnny manziel was there a 30 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 2: bunch of other big time quarterbacks and you know, he 31 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 2: just soaks it up. And when you just listen to 32 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 2: him talk, you're like, man, this guy's got his act 33 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 2: together and he's got big things beyond the football field 34 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 2: after he graduates from UCLA. The guy's just an awesome 35 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 2: role model for young athletes looking to dominate on the 36 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:11,920 Speaker 2: nil front. But before we get to Chase, just one 37 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:16,119 Speaker 2: quick story that entered the ether. That just stunning, And 38 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 2: I'm sure people are kind of sick of the soccer stuff, 39 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 2: so I'll be brief. But in an unbelievable turn of events, 40 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 2: the Saudi Arabian League, which poached Cristiano Ronaldo basically money 41 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 2: whipped him into coming over. They went after Messi and 42 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 2: he turned down a one billion, one point two billion 43 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 2: dollar offer. They were able to land Kareem Benzema, you know, 44 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:41,799 Speaker 2: the awesome France player, and now they have set their 45 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:45,359 Speaker 2: sights on Killian and Bape, who is the air apparent 46 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 2: to Leonel Messi is the greatest player in the world. 47 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 2: And Bope has already played in two World Cups. And 48 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 2: I did the math. He's only twenty four. By the way, 49 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 2: he's definitely barring Injuri gonna play in two more World Cups, 50 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 2: and there's an outside chance that he's in three more 51 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 2: because he's only twenty four. So you know, you'll be 52 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 2: twenty seven when the US hosts the World Cup in 53 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:06,359 Speaker 2: twenty twenty six. Then'll be thirty one in two thousand 54 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 2: and thirty, and the next one will be thirty five. 55 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 2: And oh, by the way, Messi was just thirty five 56 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 2: years old and was the best player in Argentina and 57 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 2: won the best player in the World Cup. So there's 58 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 2: a chance of Bape's in three more World Cups. He's 59 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 2: gonna break all the scoring records health pending. And now 60 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 2: Saudi Arabia is courting him at an astronomical price, So 61 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 2: they offered a three hundred and thirty two million dollar 62 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 2: transfer fee just to negotiate with him. Three hundred and 63 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 2: thirty two million to PSG, and apparently the offer reports 64 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 2: say it is one year, seven hundred and fifty million dollars. 65 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 2: Just let that sink in. Mbape is making thirty six 66 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 2: million a year from PSG. Now, Lebron and a bunch 67 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 2: of other athletes had major fun with whoa is Saudi 68 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 2: Arabia starting a basketball league? Because I will gladly go 69 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 2: over there for a year and three quarters of a 70 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 2: trillion dollars three quarters of are three quarters of a 71 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 2: billion dollars One year, seven hundred and fifty million dollars 72 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 2: is the offer for Ambope. Now, normally you would say, like, 73 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 2: come on, you're kidding me. What's in babe gonna do 74 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:17,720 Speaker 2: this in this weak ass league? It's The New York 75 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 2: Times calls it the fifty eighth best league in the world. 76 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 2: But as you guys know, money talks. Look what the 77 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:26,160 Speaker 2: Saudis did for golf, and you just got to wonder 78 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 2: what happens when Saudi Arabia says we want to buy 79 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 2: into the NFL. We want to buy into the NBA. 80 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 2: Is that next? Now, they obviously can't start a league 81 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 2: to try to rival the NBA or the NFL, but 82 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 2: they can try to poach these soccer players. And you 83 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 2: know what, it's gonna be hard to tell a twenty 84 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 2: four year old in Bape no thank you for seven 85 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 2: hundred and fifty million dollars, Like how is he gonna 86 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 2: say no to them? I don't care what you think 87 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,159 Speaker 2: about Saudi Arabia or the temperature or or it's one 88 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 2: hundred and twenty five degrees in the shade, and like 89 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:01,599 Speaker 2: he's a young guy. You could literally go there for 90 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 2: one year, collect seven hundred and fifty million dollars and 91 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 2: say thank you, I'm out and your set for life. 92 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:12,600 Speaker 2: The problem is, you know, the competition's not great. I 93 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 2: don't know how much you care about that. I don't 94 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 2: know what the living is going to be like. But 95 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:18,160 Speaker 2: I'm sure they're paying for everything and put you up 96 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 2: in a you know, five star hotel or wherever. Seven 97 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 2: hundred and fifty million dollars, Like he's already making thirty 98 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 2: six million a year. I'm sure he's doing great. Seven 99 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 2: hundred and fifty million dollars for one year at the 100 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 2: age of twenty four. That's unfathomable. So I do wonder 101 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:41,040 Speaker 2: is there a world where Saudis say, you know what, 102 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 2: we can't create an NBA or an NFL league. We 103 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:46,719 Speaker 2: just want to buy a team. And if they go 104 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:48,919 Speaker 2: to an NFL owner or an NBA owner and just 105 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 2: try to buy them out, is that next? And then 106 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 2: guess what, we don't care about salary caps. We will pay. 107 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:02,840 Speaker 2: We will gladly pay whatever the second apron is in 108 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,720 Speaker 2: the NBA who cares, Like some owners, Balmer has so 109 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 2: much money, he doesn't care. He's writing a check for 110 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 2: two hundred million dollars, so what that's nothing to him? 111 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 2: What's it going to be the Saudis And they're like, sure, 112 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 2: we'll write a check for spending five hundred million dollars 113 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:18,600 Speaker 2: over the cap, like we don't care. Like it opens 114 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 2: some interesting situations to pro sports leagues. And you wonder 115 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 2: if they're gonna they saw what happened with golf, Now 116 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 2: they're going after soccer players. Well, you know what's next? 117 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 2: NFL NBA, those are two of the other two biggest 118 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:34,280 Speaker 2: sports I know. They're largely American, but I can't imagine 119 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 2: that the Saudis are going to go into hockey. So 120 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:39,720 Speaker 2: just just a fascinating story that I just had to 121 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:42,279 Speaker 2: touch on. But without further ado, let's get to our guest, 122 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:46,840 Speaker 2: Chase Griffin, the senior quarterback at UCLA. 123 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: You know a guy, Jason likes to think he knows 124 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 1: everything when it comes to sports. 125 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:56,679 Speaker 2: I know what sports fans want, but for everything he doesn't, 126 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 2: he knows a guy who does. Let's just say I 127 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 2: know a guy who knows a guy who knows another guy. 128 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 2: All right, let's welcome into straight fire a UCLA quarterback 129 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 2: who was recently named the NIL Male Athlete of the 130 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 2: Year NIL baby, Chase Griffin, U CLA, How are you man? 131 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: Doing well? Thank you so much for having me. 132 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, this is a bit out of character for 133 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 2: our pod. We usually focus on pro sports. We do 134 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 2: plenty on college football. Within the season, we'll get our 135 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 2: college football previews ramped up. But I came across some 136 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 2: of your NIL stuff and what you've been able to 137 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 2: accomplish in a short amount of time, and I just 138 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 2: I needed to pick your brain because there's a lot 139 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 2: going on here. This is a new disruptive thing, if 140 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 2: you will in college football, talk us through all your 141 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 2: success so far on the NIL front. 142 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 1: Well, before I talk about what I've done with NIL, 143 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: I think we have to look a little bit at 144 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: what made it possible and at Obannon with his efforts 145 00:07:56,600 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 1: in suing that the NCAA EA Sports for using his 146 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: likeness without his permission, really opened the door for a 147 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:10,559 Speaker 1: plethora of cases to come in, most notably the Austin case, 148 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 1: and that allowed for athletes in twenty one to have 149 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: the right to monetize their name, image and likeness. For me, 150 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: I was already two years in at UCLA, so I 151 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: had a good lay of the land. I had seen 152 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: opportunities in LA I had participated in brand partnerships in 153 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:34,559 Speaker 1: high school just because I had won awards with Gatorade 154 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 1: forward in and out in Whatterburger my senior year, so 155 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 1: I had experience with brands. I saw where opportunities in 156 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: utilizing my positioning as a college athlete. But also someone 157 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 1: was a really good student, someone who was very involved 158 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: on campus could be advantageous to me. And once July came, 159 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: I figured out how to gain experiential knowledge in creating 160 00:08:59,200 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: business in. 161 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 2: That Timing is everything, really, you know what, I was 162 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 2: coming out of college and I was working at a 163 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 2: newspaper and it just wasn't paying anything. But the Internet 164 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 2: was becoming a thing, and I had started a blog 165 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 2: and got very fortunate with it. But you know, it 166 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 2: sounds like your situation with NIL is similar. Just based 167 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 2: off your high school success. Boom, Nil is now available 168 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 2: in college and you've got all the relationships. How were 169 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 2: you able to translate them from Hey, I'm a high 170 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 2: school kid winning all these awards too, now I'm in college, 171 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 2: show me the money. 172 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:37,239 Speaker 1: I think the way I've always gone about any interaction 173 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 1: with a company, with another person, or an opportunity is 174 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 1: just maximize what's there and for brand relationships. On the field, 175 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:50,839 Speaker 1: the season before Nio came to be, I had the 176 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:53,839 Speaker 1: highest pass rating in the Pac twelve, and off the field, 177 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: I was finishing up my undergrad in public affairs. In 178 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 1: just over two years. I was on going to INTERNEWSS 179 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: return to Training test for US during COVID, representing UCLA 180 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: to the Student Athletic Leadership Team PAC twelve Council, and 181 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 1: I was doing things that set myself aside from athletes 182 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 1: while also continuing building out my on camera talent, whether 183 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 1: it be the hundreds of interviews I did in high school, 184 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 1: or the radio appearances, or even just playing on Friday 185 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 1: night lights, it prepared me for representing something larger than myself. 186 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, before I ask you about building the brand, I 187 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 2: got to ask, I haven't researched your parents yet, but 188 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:38,839 Speaker 2: I'm going to go ahead and guess one of them 189 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 2: is in some sort of public speaking role, because I 190 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 2: don't come across a lot of college kids who are 191 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 2: ready to as articulate as you are when it comes 192 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 2: to interviews. 193 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 1: I appreciate that. I think I was always given a 194 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 1: lot of opportunities to practice public speaking, just because growing 195 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 1: up like I do the church Eastern Christmas speeches, I 196 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: grew up a performer doing violin and always grew up 197 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 1: playing sports. And then in addition to that, my father 198 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:08,439 Speaker 1: is a great public speaker and my mother is a teacher. 199 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 1: So it was really a matchmate in heaven for providing 200 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 1: me with a basis of confidence in the space. And 201 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 1: I think as I progress towards NIL and throughout NIL, 202 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 1: it's given me a way to practice monetizing that talent 203 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: and also using that talent to generate return on investment 204 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 1: for brands that invest in partnerships with me. 205 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:33,200 Speaker 2: So you know, you, I'm sure you could spend this 206 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 2: forward many ways looking down the road, whether it's building 207 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 2: a business, you know, teaching other college kids how to 208 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 2: benefit from NIL. Where do you see this going? Again, 209 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 2: It's still in its infancy, you know, with the college 210 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 2: kids able to finally make money. 211 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 1: Well. On the personal level, something that I take pride 212 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 1: in in the NIL space is creating better comment than everyone. 213 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 1: And when I do a deal with a brand, I 214 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: want that campaign to be the best branded content that 215 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 1: they've ever done with an influencer, and I want to 216 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 1: even rival the TV ads that they're running. For me, 217 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 1: that content creation process can translate into more traditional content creation, 218 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 1: whether it be producing film and TV or acting or 219 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 1: hosting unscripted shows. So I'm getting into that right now. 220 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 1: And then in addition to that, something that's always been 221 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: a passion of mine has been investing, and with the 222 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:37,200 Speaker 1: UC Investment Office, I'm a fellow there, so I'm learning 223 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 1: how to institutionally invest, which puts everything into perspective when 224 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 1: we look at the overall I appreciate it when we 225 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 1: look at the overall ANIL landscape, though I think it 226 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 1: was a domino on the way to revenue share, and 227 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 1: within the next three to five years this conversation around 228 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:56,680 Speaker 1: pay for play, which isn't the case yet Right now, 229 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 1: it's pay to work. Every single dollar I've made inis 230 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 1: I had to do something for it, whether it be 231 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 1: delivering an ad for a brand or consulting on something. 232 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 1: Pay for play is a completely different world, but it 233 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:14,440 Speaker 1: is here, and the legislation is setting up to break 234 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: down those barriers. The Austin case already ruled from the 235 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:21,319 Speaker 1: Supreme Court in a unanimous decision that the business model 236 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: of the NCAA is flawed and unjust and has to change. 237 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 1: And so NIL is quickly becoming the transition to revenue share. 238 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:36,079 Speaker 1: And I think the models and schools that utilize NIL 239 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 1: and use it as a pro to their program and 240 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 1: are able to recruit off of it create better success 241 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 1: on and off the field for their student athletes will 242 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 1: end up seeing the same rewards once revenue share can 243 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 1: comes to doers. 244 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 2: Just thinking about what you said, it almost feels chased, 245 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:58,679 Speaker 2: like if the students are able to develop good relationships 246 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 2: with the NIL brands while playing, they might be able 247 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 2: to parlay that after their college career if they don't 248 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:10,719 Speaker 2: go pro in sports into developing the influencer brand if 249 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 2: you will post college. Do you see that as a 250 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:15,439 Speaker 2: potential avenue for some athletes who aren't on the NBA 251 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 2: NFL track. 252 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 1: Absolutely, And I think the athletes who create great brand relationships, 253 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 1: even if they do go pro, it probably works out 254 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 1: best for them because they're able to utilize their platform 255 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 1: as a pro athlete now with a brand that they've 256 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 1: been working with and know the ins and outs of 257 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 1: for three and four years. When it comes to athletes 258 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 1: who aren't going pro, or even the athletes that are 259 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 1: going pro, it's important to remember working with the brands 260 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: is cool. Learning how to build those relationships is cool. 261 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 1: Making money is cool. It is very cool. But the 262 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 1: most important thing about NIL is now you know how 263 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: to do all of it, and you know how to 264 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 1: run a business. Every single athlete is managing a small 265 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 1: business through their dealings, small advertising business, and athletes have 266 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 1: to sometimes create LLCs like what I had to do, 267 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 1: or they have to pay taxes through that, or they 268 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 1: have to find managers, agents, financial advisors, accountants to make 269 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 1: sure they're doing it the right way. These are all 270 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 1: skills and relationships that are be informed that create habits 271 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 1: for building generational wealth, which is, in my opinion, the 272 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 1: main goal of getting a college education, regardless if you're 273 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: a student or student. 274 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 2: Athlete, generational wealth. Everybody's gonna like the cut of that. 275 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 2: I do have to ask about. There's been a lot 276 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 2: of stories written about, like, I know, on the male side, 277 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 2: we get it to stars make the most funny blah 278 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 2: blah blah. But on the female side, you know, you 279 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 2: see New York Times, Wall Street Journal like they're unhappy 280 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 2: that it's mostly the attractive females that are making the 281 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 2: most off nil. And you see these twins who are 282 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 2: playing basketball and they recently quit and they're making even 283 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 2: more money now. And oh, by the way, they don't 284 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 2: even have to practice and travel. I don't know. I'm 285 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 2: just curreing to your thoughts on the male versus female 286 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 2: when it comes to anil. 287 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 1: I'd argue that some of the coverage that says that 288 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: these young women are receiving deals just because they're attractive 289 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 1: is extremely reductive in a small minded way of thinking. 290 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: For the media, some of these athletes are extremely good 291 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 1: content creators. Yes, they may be attractive, but they're also 292 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 1: able to create genuine relationships with their followers and with 293 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: their base, and because of that, the brands that they 294 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: work with get return on investment because they get engagement 295 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 1: from all of these followers that actually buy in to 296 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: what these individuals and influencers are selling. 297 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 2: That's a good point. I think one of the criticisms 298 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 2: was the LSU player angel Rees, you know, and this 299 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 2: gymnast at LSU and some volleyball players, like they have 300 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 2: way more followers and social media is skewed toward the followers, 301 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 2: whereas like a Caitlin Clark doesn't have as many followers 302 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 2: because she's not like dressing up in bathing suits and 303 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:07,119 Speaker 2: all this stuff. I don't know, but your point about 304 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 2: they're creating better content is a valid one. Do you 305 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 2: think anything could be done to even the playing field 306 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 2: when it comes to followers or is it just the 307 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 2: market decides. 308 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:23,880 Speaker 1: I think the fact that everyone can have a free 309 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 1: account on whatever platform like LinkedIn, Instagram, Twitter, these are 310 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: the major platforms that are being utilized for advertisement with 311 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 1: these brands, and they are the follower bases that are 312 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: sort of creating the price points for what brands are 313 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:43,120 Speaker 1: willing to pay based off engagement rates. Every single athlete 314 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 1: has access to one of these accounts, and more importantly, 315 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 1: they have access to a daily life of being a 316 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 1: college athlete. I think sometimes as athletes we forget how 317 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:58,959 Speaker 1: cool our lives are. Now we wake up one morning 318 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:02,879 Speaker 1: at o'lock am. It doesn't feel great going to the 319 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 1: facility every single day, even when you're sore, doesn't feel 320 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 1: great working out while you're getting yelled at by your coaches, 321 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:12,159 Speaker 1: going to practice, going to school, and then coming back 322 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:15,199 Speaker 1: and then doing it again in the evening. But at 323 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:16,879 Speaker 1: the end of the day, this is a dream life 324 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:20,120 Speaker 1: for a lot of people. And by utilizing the life 325 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 1: that we're living. More importantly, the hard work, dedication, and 326 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:26,199 Speaker 1: characteristics that even get you to be able to have 327 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:30,400 Speaker 1: an opportunity to play sports in college can translate over 328 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 1: to creating good content and building a good follower base. 329 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:36,880 Speaker 2: I don't know, if you're from you probably know. Spencer 330 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 2: Rattler was a highly touted quarterback, goes to Oklahoma, is 331 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:44,919 Speaker 2: making all the nil money and then pretty quickly starts 332 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 2: to struggle in the field. And there were some not allegations, 333 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 2: but hey, he's putting a lot of time and effort 334 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 2: into social media and Nil and his quarterback play slipped 335 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 2: and then he ended up transferring. I don't know if 336 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:59,880 Speaker 2: it's an if it's like he struggled because of this, 337 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 2: but how much time you know, Chase, are some of 338 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 2: these athletes giving to social media and building the brand 339 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:10,360 Speaker 2: on TikTok and Instagram, Like that's not just a one off. 340 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 2: If you want to connect with your audience, you got 341 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 2: to not live there, but you got to be on 342 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 2: there frequently, and that's tough juggling, of course, load practice games. 343 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 1: I think that that criticism is always interesting to me 344 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:26,400 Speaker 1: just because if anyone can be a master of time management, 345 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:30,719 Speaker 1: it's an athlete. We're already budgeting during season around fifty 346 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 1: to sixty hours in facility a week. Not to mention, 347 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:37,120 Speaker 1: we're also doing school on top of that, you have 348 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 1: your extraneous relationships and friends that you have on campus, 349 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 1: and then whatever your hobbies are, and so our schedules 350 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 1: are always full. If someone wants to dedicate time to Nil, 351 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 1: I think it should be and most of the time 352 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:56,199 Speaker 1: it is done in a way where it's during that 353 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: little amount of free time that you have. Often I 354 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:03,120 Speaker 1: find that au athenticity and content creation not only makes 355 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:05,680 Speaker 1: the content better, but it makes it a lot more efficient. 356 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:07,880 Speaker 1: It's a lot easier for me to do content. I'm 357 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 1: being an athlete because I don't have to go manufacture 358 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 1: anything else. I just can do what I normally do 359 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:16,439 Speaker 1: on a day and just pull my camera out for 360 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:21,360 Speaker 1: around ten seconds and then I'm good. Athletes are by 361 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 1: nature extremely good at time management, and I think athletes 362 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 1: who sometimes may not do well for a couple of 363 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 1: games it may just be a stretch and it may 364 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 1: have nothing to do with what's going on off the field. 365 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 2: It certainly sounds like some athletes are. It's just so 366 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 2: much to set the camera up, record it. Oh, we 367 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 2: got to do another take, and then you got to 368 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 2: chop it up and make it look attractive. There's a 369 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 2: lot of work. Some people are employing teams. I'm curious 370 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:54,640 Speaker 2: at what stage are you with the team building process. 371 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:57,640 Speaker 2: Do you have a manager, an agent, a video guy? 372 00:20:57,840 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 2: You got to pay them? Do they take a certain 373 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 2: percentage of the revenue share? Like, how does that work? 374 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 2: As much as you're allowed to say about it. 375 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:10,680 Speaker 1: So, I've been self repped, and I still am self 376 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:14,159 Speaker 1: repped to this day. And I do value expertise, so 377 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:17,119 Speaker 1: when I need someone in my corner, whether it be 378 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:19,920 Speaker 1: a lawyer, whether it be some advice on something, I'll 379 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,239 Speaker 1: reach out to an expert in the space. But for me, 380 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 1: I just like the independence of being able to look 381 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:29,120 Speaker 1: at every single deal. I want have no one else 382 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 1: saying whether or whether or not I should do a deal, 383 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,119 Speaker 1: and I trust my own judgment on that. But also 384 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 1: because I've had experience doing well in this space for 385 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:42,399 Speaker 1: the past two years as a self represented individual, for 386 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:45,120 Speaker 1: others who decide to sign with agents, I think if 387 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:46,920 Speaker 1: it's the right choice for them, it's the right choice 388 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:50,639 Speaker 1: for them. I do have videographers, so I have a 389 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: couple of videographers that I go to. One main videographer 390 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: who I'm actually after this interview, filming in a campaign 391 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 1: with Today, and of course I have to pay him 392 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 1: for his time and his editing. But for the most part, 393 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:08,679 Speaker 1: the production team is myself and then my father, and 394 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 1: then on a couple of them, I had my sister, 395 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: my mother, and my little brother give their insights. Well, wow, 396 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 1: it was really cool. 397 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 2: The whole family. Huh. 398 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 1: Absolutely, you know, it was great to be able to 399 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,959 Speaker 1: involve them. But I think from a sense of authenticity 400 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:28,120 Speaker 1: and the type of influencer marketing that brands are going for, 401 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:32,439 Speaker 1: having the talent also be the production is a model 402 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 1: that's been tried and true. 403 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 2: For me, I would agree with that. I mean, again, 404 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 2: I wasn't a college athlete, but I am curious, Like 405 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 2: it's the non season right now, Summer much easier I'm 406 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,360 Speaker 2: assuming to create content. But once you get to September 407 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 2: when school's in full swing, football is in full swing, 408 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 2: and these ads are rolling in, and like, you got 409 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:56,359 Speaker 2: to create the content. So your team is essentially just 410 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:59,159 Speaker 2: the two videographers and then you know family members chipping in, 411 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 2: but no other outside help. 412 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 1: Huh No, I mean I have access to the client 413 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:10,920 Speaker 1: tools at Range Media Partners, where I consult, So there 414 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 1: I consult, I'm building out. I'm helping to build out 415 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:18,480 Speaker 1: our NIO programming, an IO platform offering my network, and 416 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 1: in exchange, I get access to more traditional Hollywood style 417 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: TV and film production, both on the unscripted and then 418 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 1: once the strikes over scripted side. So that's a place 419 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 1: where I'm able to practice my content creation at a 420 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:41,360 Speaker 1: larger scale. Maybe if not branded more straight to distributors. 421 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 2: Cut the middleman out, smart, smart, good business guy. I 422 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,399 Speaker 2: do have to ask, like, have you thought about like 423 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 2: I'm assuming lots of guys come up to you college kids. Hey, 424 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 2: you know, I got some ideas? Can I can I 425 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 2: can I pick your ear here? Can you give me 426 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,399 Speaker 2: some thoughts? But you're probably getting this lot. Have you 427 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 2: thought about doing any you know, consulting for teams around 428 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 2: the country or are you not at that level yet. 429 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 1: I've talked to a lot of folks who work in 430 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:15,680 Speaker 1: the collective space. I mean as far as the CEOs, 431 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 1: CEOs and founders of a lot of the top marketplaces 432 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,640 Speaker 1: and then ailespace along with a couple of the biggest 433 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 1: founders in the collective space. I've done, you know, a 434 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,639 Speaker 1: lot of consulting and built a lot of good relationships 435 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 1: for them. And to have a working relationship with those folks, 436 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,160 Speaker 1: I think not only puts me in a position where 437 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 1: my name is respected in then iiO space, but I'm 438 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 1: able to keep a good pulse on what's next and 439 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 1: able to see how these marketplaces and collectives are moving 440 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 1: going forward. 441 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 2: How would you rank your consumption of social media currently? 442 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 2: I'm assuming they TikTok's in their Instagram. Your LinkedIn is 443 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,399 Speaker 2: extremely robut I don't know Twitter or x whatever you 444 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 2: want to call it, but like just kind of ranked them. 445 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 2: Like Threads just came out within the last month, and 446 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 2: it's like, oh, well, new platform, you got to be 447 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:12,680 Speaker 2: on there, got to have a presence. Where's your where 448 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 2: you seeing the most bang for your buck. 449 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 1: I think LinkedIn has been a great platform for me 450 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,439 Speaker 1: from the jump. I actually got my first couple of 451 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: deals through LinkedIn and Open Doors because folks who ran 452 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 1: advertising and marketing agencies that represented large brands knew about 453 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:35,119 Speaker 1: me before NIO came to be. Because of LinkedIn, and 454 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 1: because of the way I was posting on there and 455 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 1: keeping relationships and staying connected with folks. That's been a 456 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 1: great place for me not only to build my NIOL relationships, 457 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 1: but to build working relationships with people who I'll probably 458 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,440 Speaker 1: stay in touch with and build with for a very 459 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 1: long time, probably for the rest of my life. As 460 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,679 Speaker 1: far as Instagram and Twitter, those are sort of the 461 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 1: bread and butter as far as what brands look at 462 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 1: for engagement. But I do think that my following on Instagram, 463 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:08,119 Speaker 1: along with my following on Twitter, is definitely supplemented by 464 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:12,120 Speaker 1: me being one of the more popular creators on LinkedIn 465 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 1: as far as a college athlete perspective. 466 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's wild what you guys are able to do now. 467 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 2: You know, I'm a little older obviously, and we did 468 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,119 Speaker 2: not have all this social media when I was coming up. 469 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 2: But you know, it feels like if you really put 470 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 2: in the effort, you can really build your brand. Like 471 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,160 Speaker 2: you're gonna come out of college with a solid brand 472 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 2: and a solid base, and not just in sports, but 473 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,160 Speaker 2: kind of a wide you gonna have many doors open 474 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 2: to you. Have you spun this forward and looked to 475 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,160 Speaker 2: where you think you want to be in five years 476 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 2: or maybe ten years. 477 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 1: Well, I'm a Christian, so I try not to plan 478 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 1: too far ahead, just because I try to put my 479 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,640 Speaker 1: faith in God that He's going to take me where 480 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,879 Speaker 1: I need to be. But what every single day I 481 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 1: do try to maximize all the wins I have, and 482 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,400 Speaker 1: I'm going to keep every single door open as long 483 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,360 Speaker 1: as I can. Whether it be the football that's still 484 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,679 Speaker 1: the main goal, that's still the main dream. But in 485 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 1: addition to that, you know, content production, acting, producing film 486 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 1: and TV, and then along with music production and then investing, 487 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 1: and I think all of that sort of goes together 488 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 1: and building a cool intersection between sports media and entertainment 489 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:28,160 Speaker 1: and investing. And as long as I continue to develop 490 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:32,119 Speaker 1: myself and develop my skill set along with my credibility, 491 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,680 Speaker 1: I think more opportunities will come where I'll be able 492 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 1: to mix and match my talents to create maximum return 493 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 1: on investment for whoever I'm working with. 494 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 2: Chase, that's awesome, man. Hopefully every college kid will listen 495 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 2: to this and come out of it thinking I got 496 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 2: to get my act together. Good stuff, man, Congratulate all 497 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 2: your success. I'm sure we'll be hearing a lot from 498 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 2: you in the future. 499 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,359 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Jason, I appreciate your time.