Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,
Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of
Speaker 1: today's best minds, and a CNN poll says a whopping
Speaker 1: seventy seven percent of Americans blamed President Trump for increasing
Speaker 1: the cost of living in their community. We have such
Speaker 1: a great show for you today. Notices Evan McMorris. Santoro
Speaker 1: stops by to talk about the Trump administration considering classifying
Speaker 1: Tucker calls and as a domestic terrorist. Then we'll talk
Speaker 1: to Nebraska Senate candidate Dan Osborne about his run as
Speaker 1: an independent in the state. But for the News.
Speaker 2: Smiley, we have an Ald timer. President Trump loves to
Speaker 2: say the quiet part out loud. This is saying, uh,
Speaker 2: the thing we all know about him, real fucking loud learned.
Speaker 1: Negotiating with the rhymes. The president a.
Speaker 3: Motivating to make it feel not even a little bit.
Speaker 3: The only thing that matters, we're not talking about I run.
Speaker 3: They can't have a duplear weapon. I don't think about
Speaker 3: American financial situation. I don't think about anybody. I think
Speaker 3: about what thing we could not let Iran have a
Speaker 3: duclear weapon. That's all heard.
Speaker 4: That's the only thing about.
Speaker 1: It look, man, again, I think it's going to be
Speaker 1: a hard sell to the American people because your gas
Speaker 1: is a dollar more gallon, and Trump is bad.
Speaker 5: It's way more than a dollar when you go at
Speaker 5: most points.
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, but it's it's a lot more a gallon.
Speaker 1: And he's like, but this is all about the Middle East.
Speaker 1: And you know, even when like if you think about
Speaker 1: the last Gulf War, uh, it was after nine to eleven,
Speaker 1: so there was at least like we had been hit
Speaker 1: by terrorists, we had been all these people had died.
Speaker 1: It was more than you know, it was quite a
Speaker 1: lot of people. There is a feeling that America was
Speaker 1: really under attack, and even then the war was unpopular.
Speaker 1: Here is a war where Trump barely even made a
Speaker 1: case for doing it. It has already made life significantly
Speaker 1: more expensive. And instead of saying something the effect of
Speaker 1: like it's going to be over soon, which has been
Speaker 1: one of the things, or it's already over, which is
Speaker 1: one of his favorite things to say, he's just now
Speaker 1: pivoted to like, know it was just which it wasn't,
Speaker 1: and it isn't and it's still going on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just as one of those things that you could
Speaker 2: see this being in ads for the next three years
Speaker 2: because it really really says everything about him. Okay, we
Speaker 2: now have to talk to a person with a nickname
Speaker 2: that I think none of us would like to have,
Speaker 2: the human printer, Natalie Harp.
Speaker 1: You may remember her from earlier in this season.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yea, I have the thing with her. We hear
Speaker 2: about her so infrequently that I kind of forget her
Speaker 2: a lot. But so the point being, after this Trump
Speaker 2: truth tirade the other night, apparently the other aids are
Speaker 2: quite pissed at the way she enables these things. I
Speaker 2: will say I had to google let me she searched
Speaker 2: her to refresh my brain, and she really looks like
Speaker 2: a character out of American horror story to me.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say anything about how anyone looks,
Speaker 1: but I will say that she's thirty four years old.
Speaker 1: She basically spends almost all her time with Trump, and
Speaker 1: she prints things out and gives them to him. Now,
Speaker 1: this Wall Street Journal reporting says that people in Trump world,
Speaker 1: and again like the people in this administration, are feeling
Speaker 1: more and more like they had less and less control
Speaker 1: over Trump. They never had much control. They were picked
Speaker 1: because they didn't have control but now it feels like
Speaker 1: they can't even really sort of can keep him from
Speaker 1: acting in a certain kind of crazy. Basically, she has
Speaker 1: been working these twilight hour shifts. I don't know. That
Speaker 1: seems pretty odd. We tend not to have aids working
Speaker 1: twilight hour shifts, but okay.
Speaker 5: What about an AID who lives at your golf course.
Speaker 1: Anyway, she has created the impression that the president never
Speaker 1: sleeps and is instead spending his should be bedtime obsessively
Speaker 1: retweeting baseless conspiracy theories and about the twenty twenty presidential
Speaker 1: election and Fox News headlines about his purported popularity among
Speaker 1: the American public. We did see a lot of tweeting,
Speaker 1: like I think it was the night before. There have
Speaker 1: been a couple nights where he has been you know,
Speaker 1: ten thirty, ten thirty two, ten thirty five, ten thirty seven,
Speaker 1: one AM, one forty five. And so there is tension
Speaker 1: now between Harp and some of the federal employees affected
Speaker 1: by her insandiatory writings. So I guess she is either
Speaker 1: writing these tweets or helping him write these tweets, and
Speaker 1: one of them, so they're sort of set. I feel
Speaker 1: like they're setting her up to fall and saying that
Speaker 1: she is doing his social media. I have trouble believing this,
Speaker 1: but if the Wall Street Journal is reporting it, they're
Speaker 1: pretty legit. Her work, according to whoever is a leaking
Speaker 1: to the journal, has included posts that depicted Barack and
Speaker 1: Michelle as apes, and an AI generated image of Trump
Speaker 1: as Jesus Christ. You will remember the Trump as Jesus
Speaker 1: meme was incredibly problematic and pulled it, you know, like
Speaker 1: something like seventy percent of all Catholics were horrified by it,
Speaker 1: and ultimately he did in fact take it down.
Speaker 2: You know, I said, I have a group chat with
Speaker 2: a bunch of social media managers where we discuss how,
Speaker 2: you know, how we push these podcasts out. And I said,
Speaker 2: you know, it's very telling that the most powerful social
Speaker 2: media manager at America is also the world worst at
Speaker 2: their job.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny because it's like all of this is
Speaker 1: so siloed, so in some ways Trump is still really
Speaker 1: his own social media manager. And I have just trouble
Speaker 1: believing how much of this I think this is still
Speaker 1: a Trump you know, maybe she gets set up to
Speaker 1: evolve and just have trouble believing this.
Speaker 2: Something I don't have trouble believing is that the White
Speaker 2: House would host a massive Christian nationalists festival.
Speaker 1: So the White House is planning a nine hour Christian
Speaker 1: prayer festival on the National Mall. And this is reporting
Speaker 1: from the Washington Post, which is owned by Jeff Bezos,
Speaker 1: Jeff Bezos, who has crushed the opinion section of the
Speaker 1: Washington Post. The Trump administration is hosting an all day
Speaker 1: prayer festival on the National Mall on Sunday that organizers
Speaker 1: will reflect the country's Christian origins and they hope spark
Speaker 1: a moment of renewal in America. This is completely nuts.
Speaker 1: Rededicated two hundred and fifty National Jubilee of Prayer, Praise,
Speaker 1: and Thanksgiving funded by our fucking federal government, partially funded
Speaker 1: by millions in public dollars, the nation's two hundred and
Speaker 1: fiftieth birthday public dollars. That's your tax dollars paying for
Speaker 1: this crew to prey on the mall. And you know
Speaker 1: who it's run by. Oh, you are going to love this.
Speaker 1: Oh I know, yeah, Trump's favorite Reverend Paula White Cane.
Speaker 1: Pretty problematic. She is a televangelist who is hot. I
Speaker 1: think that's pretty much it.
Speaker 2: You can see just but I was waving my arm
Speaker 2: emphatically because that's what she loves to do.
Speaker 5: She has the severer arms around.
Speaker 1: She's a big evangelical. She spoke at his inauguration. She
Speaker 1: is she was involved in the nomination. She was present
Speaker 1: when Trump met with advisors to discuss the nomination of
Speaker 1: Neil gorsicch she has she is a Florida I mean,
Speaker 1: do you even want to know? I mean, like, it's
Speaker 1: like Tammy fay Baker Part two.
Speaker 5: That's a great reading. Okay.
Speaker 2: So one of the things we've seen is the ballroom
Speaker 2: just keeps getting more and more expensive.
Speaker 5: But it's on budget. No, no, no, no, it's under budget.
Speaker 5: It's under budget.
Speaker 2: Now we have the Golden Dome, which I'm going to
Speaker 2: shock you, Molly, it's going off a budget.
Speaker 1: So first of all, I want to point out the
Speaker 1: ballroom whatever. We don't even need to talk about the
Speaker 1: billion dollars that the Republicans are trying to get through
Speaker 1: in reconciliation to fund Trump's supposed public ballroom that was
Speaker 1: supposed to be free, that was supposed to be paid
Speaker 1: for by corporations, Trump's Golden Dome missile defense plan. So
Speaker 1: this is Trump is jealous. Israel has a dome missile defense,
Speaker 1: so he wants us to have one. Here's the story.
Speaker 1: We can't have one because we don't need one, because
Speaker 1: our country is surrounded by water. Israel is right sandwiched
Speaker 1: in the middle of the Middle East, and as enemies
Speaker 1: very nearby, we do not. And so it is a
Speaker 1: stupid idea. But it's also, like so many of Trump's
Speaker 1: stupid ideas, it is also a very very, very expensive idea.
Speaker 1: So Trump has come up with something that is both
Speaker 1: stupid and expensive. And I am just so unsurprised because
Speaker 1: stupid and expensive does seem to be the watchword of
Speaker 1: this administructure. Hey, it's Molly john Fast here. My memoir
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Speaker 4: Welcome, Molly, How are you? Nice to see you?
Speaker 1: Nice to see you. Tucker Carlson and Nick Fuentes have
Speaker 1: been named by a top White House official as potential
Speaker 1: targets for the Trump administration's counter terrorism strategy. I'm going
Speaker 1: to read the whole thing to you here. In an
Speaker 1: interview with Breitbart editor in chief Alex Marlowe, Sebastian Gorka,
Speaker 1: or as we call him, doctor Sebastian Gorka, Yes, he
Speaker 1: wants to be the next head of counter terrorism National
Speaker 1: counter Terrorism Center. I guess they fired that guy was
Speaker 1: like twenty two in an intern and he has decided
Speaker 1: that we have to have an effective, accurate snapshot on
Speaker 1: everyone who are on everyone who are part of the
Speaker 1: conservative movement today, because I would say to you, I'm
Speaker 1: not sure that Nick, Nick fwent As or Tucker Carlson
Speaker 1: are conservatives.
Speaker 4: Okay. This is one of those situations where when you
Speaker 4: think back to the past year and the past one
Speaker 4: of the main things that got Trump into power, or
Speaker 4: at least animated him among the base, was this idea,
Speaker 4: a sort of politically motivated investigations and pressure on the
Speaker 4: right from Biden administration officials. We're going to go after
Speaker 4: all of our right wing people, call us terrorists, and
Speaker 4: you know, free speech and all of that. This is
Speaker 4: the kind of thing that sounds like what the folks
Speaker 4: who ran Trump's campaign in twenty twenty four would think
Speaker 4: that a conversation on like, I don't know, a democratic
Speaker 4: podcast would sound like. This is interesting because lately Tucker
Speaker 4: Carlson has become an extremely vocal thorn in the side
Speaker 4: of trump Ism, but in a way that describes I
Speaker 4: think what polling shows is pretty true that, like, while
Speaker 4: Republicans are still with Trump in a lot of ways,
Speaker 4: those independence and stuff that sort of like sniffed around
Speaker 4: MAGA and sort of got on board in twenty twenty four,
Speaker 4: they're really upset about the war in Iran, which has
Speaker 4: been sort of her Carlton's biggest problem. And then the
Speaker 4: other side of it is, you know, the Nick flente side.
Speaker 4: This guy has been bad. People have been really mad
Speaker 4: at him on the right wing for a long time,
Speaker 4: but people have watched how his numbers have grown and
Speaker 4: grown and grown. This is a guy they've tried to
Speaker 4: distance themselves from a number of times, and it just
Speaker 4: sort of doesn't seem to really happen. So I think
Speaker 4: they're kind of two separate conversations. That the Tucker thing
Speaker 4: is sort of more of where MAGA sees itself now,
Speaker 4: which is that Trump is demanding loyalty even as he
Speaker 4: drags the movement into places that it does not want
Speaker 4: to go, like Iran, and Nick Flentays is like, all right,
Speaker 4: you cut Nick Flindays off, are you gonna lose? Who's
Speaker 4: all of these angry dudes that were such an important
Speaker 4: part of your you know, your shock Truth for twenty
Speaker 4: twenty four. They don't really know the answer to that yet.
Speaker 1: But naming them as potential domestic terrorists, which is what
Speaker 1: doctor Sebastian Gorka has done here, is interesting to me
Speaker 1: because they are both people who Trump really has benefited
Speaker 1: from his association with. So Tucker was a big Trump
Speaker 1: booster over the last decade and Nick Funds went to
Speaker 1: the went to mar A Lago and had dinner with
Speaker 1: him and created quite a stir. And they're both people
Speaker 1: who have like turned on him right now, but who
Speaker 1: are as much responsible for this moment in history as anyone.
Speaker 1: So I just wonder at what point? And again I
Speaker 1: think Gorka is doing this because he knows that Trump
Speaker 1: he can win favor with Trump, doing this right, targeting
Speaker 1: Trump's now enemies, And these are the people who are
Speaker 1: going to splinter maga, right. Both Tucker and Nick Fuentes
Speaker 1: are looking at what post Trump maga looks like and
Speaker 1: trying to find their spot in it. And they're doing
Speaker 1: it by running against a wildly unpopular incumbent. Maybe they're
Speaker 1: not running for president, but they are pushing against They
Speaker 1: see the polls just like everyone else. They get the
Speaker 1: you know, the emails and the viewer comments, So clearly
Speaker 1: this is something that is sort of somewhat thought out.
Speaker 1: So I do wonder if Gorka is doing this to
Speaker 1: try to please the audience of one that is Trump.
Speaker 4: Oh, I think that's definitely true. I mean, we've seen
Speaker 4: the president now really going after these people, you know,
Speaker 4: naming Tucker, naming like Hannis Owens, naming some of the
Speaker 4: people that he used to like and used to like
Speaker 4: him as sort of enemies of the state. At this point,
Speaker 4: we also have seeing him sort of amp this up.
Speaker 4: He's going after Republican staffers he wants fired. Now. He's
Speaker 4: really in his kind of paranoia about his own sort
Speaker 4: of allies, you know, stabbing him in the back era
Speaker 4: right now. But there is this interesting thing that is
Speaker 4: a somewhat different combination. If you talk to Republicans, some
Speaker 4: of them will say, okay things about Tucker Carlson. He's
Speaker 4: obviously been around for a long time, he has some credibility,
Speaker 4: and Trump was happy to associate him, right right. Trump
Speaker 4: talked to Tucker Carlson a lot on the phone. In person.
Speaker 4: Trump would talk about it, Tucker would talk about it.
Speaker 4: They were sort of an era of us or like, oh, well,
Speaker 4: Tucker's saying what he wants to say and Trump saying
Speaker 4: what he's gonna say, but we're still kind of getting along.
Speaker 4: The Nick Fetes think is a little bit different in
Speaker 4: the sense that like every Republican you ever talked to
Speaker 4: was like, we really wish this guy was not as
Speaker 4: powerful as he is, Which is not to say that
Speaker 4: they're doing that much to really prevent it or that
Speaker 4: they've done that much. Right, We've seen so much reporting
Speaker 4: about what goes on in these young Republican group chats
Speaker 4: that are very Nick Fuente's coded, really, but like this
Speaker 4: stuff is sort of like it's not the person that
Speaker 4: they It's possible that could unite around the idea of
Speaker 4: hating Nick flent das it's less likely I think with
Speaker 4: Tucker Carlson, and Tucker has kind of shaken a lot
Speaker 4: of this stuff off. It's interesting to see what happens
Speaker 4: to him and what happens to his sort of branch
Speaker 4: of Pturchism as it goes down the road. But he
Speaker 4: is now kind of carrying forward this idea that Trump
Speaker 4: was either a liar or has been manipulated on Iran,
Speaker 4: and that idea has a lot of purchase in the
Speaker 4: electorate right now. And that's why when you see I
Speaker 4: think what Gorkay is doing here is he's trying to
Speaker 4: kind of put back together what has been fractured. And
Speaker 4: the fracture is not really coming from Tucker. It's really
Speaker 4: coming from what Trump has done. And that's what makes
Speaker 4: this moment in politics so weird, right, is that the
Speaker 4: Republicans are running for office on now higher gas prices
Speaker 4: and a war, which was not their expectation at all.
Speaker 4: And now you have some people in the sort of
Speaker 4: movement saying, well, if only Tucker wasn't giving us all
Speaker 4: these problems, things would be so much easier. But the
Speaker 4: problems really aren't coming from Tucker, They're really coming from Trump.
Speaker 1: Right. But I also think like Trump knows that his
Speaker 1: his majority in MAGA, or his that group, his MAGA,
Speaker 1: his diehards who he has to have. You know, if
Speaker 1: he loses them, he's cooked that those that crew is
Speaker 1: it can be splintered the most effectively by Tucker Cross
Speaker 1: and Nick Flentes, because Nick Fuentes says the white supremacist
Speaker 1: stuff out loud, like he's like a full on buy in,
Speaker 1: like none of the pretend, none of the good people
Speaker 1: on both sides, just the we like Nazis. And then
Speaker 1: Tucker is that sort of you know, he's anti war,
Speaker 1: but he's also anti war because he's anti submittic, right,
Speaker 1: I mean those two Well, he had to like.
Speaker 4: He had what is on his show, which was a
Speaker 4: big moment of fracturing among people who supported Tucker Carlton.
Speaker 4: That's when you saw folks like Ted Cruz and stuff
Speaker 4: who have you know, had tough moments with tough or
Speaker 4: since Trump got re elected. But that's when you really
Speaker 4: saw them turn on him, right, they saw him as
Speaker 4: an enabler of Nick flint Ays and all the other stuff.
Speaker 4: But there is an interesting thing here, which is this
Speaker 4: acknowledgment that this stuff that in twenty twenty four was
Speaker 4: like hey, so what like free speech man and people
Speaker 4: can say whatever they want, this can actually become a
Speaker 4: liability for them. And what has created it and becoming
Speaker 4: a conversation about it being a liability is that they
Speaker 4: are taking on Trump. Before they were saying that Trump's
Speaker 4: war was bad, before they were saying the other things
Speaker 4: that they were saying. Now there was some idea that like, hey,
Speaker 4: you know you're being kind of a scold, or you're
Speaker 4: being like, you have no sense of humor if you
Speaker 4: were saying that these guys were dangerous or that they're
Speaker 4: what they're talking about is dangerous. Now the idea is
Speaker 4: that they are dangerous, but that danger is because this
Speaker 4: movement is in a very very fragile place, and where
Speaker 4: a guy like Gorka, who I think you're probably right,
Speaker 4: is like looking to get some Trump credibility, is sort
Speaker 4: of like sounding like a truth social post that, which
Speaker 4: is what Gorka is doing. I think that the main
Speaker 4: challenge is that the movement is fracturing because Trump has
Speaker 4: taken it in directions that a lot of people simply
Speaker 4: did not want to go in, which is essentially or
Speaker 4: mentally this war in Iran.
Speaker 1: One of the things you hear all the time when
Speaker 1: you talk to people who are like and I'm sure
Speaker 1: you can attest to this, who are very sourced in
Speaker 1: the Trump White House. I'm not. I know it'll be
Speaker 1: shocked to hear that. But none of them talk, none
Speaker 1: of them leak to me even a little.
Speaker 4: That's a stupid on their part. You'd be a great
Speaker 4: person to talk to, you know, everybody they should totally.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you can tell them, but that crew. What
Speaker 1: everybody says is that it is an audience of one
Speaker 1: and that there was actually that this was the James
Speaker 1: o'keeith thing. James o'keith, this crazy guy who is always
Speaker 1: recording people. Had a staffer say something similar, which is
Speaker 1: basically that the whole house is just like Stafford's trying
Speaker 1: to figure out what Trump wants or doing, or trying
Speaker 1: to interpret what Trump wants without going back to him
Speaker 1: or trying to you know, just like that there's not
Speaker 1: any kind of cost benefit analysis anymore, that there's not
Speaker 1: any sort of no bid contracts, you know that it's
Speaker 1: just like a sort of what will the King want
Speaker 1: kind of world in the admin? Is this true? Do
Speaker 1: you think from what you understand, well, it's.
Speaker 4: One hundred percent true. I mean my colleague Jasmine Wright,
Speaker 4: who I do the Notice newsletter with every morning, you know,
Speaker 4: she is a way of supporter. She's very well throsed
Speaker 4: up on those people. She talks to them all the
Speaker 4: time and routinely will be saying, you know, we'll have
Speaker 4: a conversation, hey do you see this? What's going on
Speaker 4: with this? And she will fire off, y'all, she'ld call
Speaker 4: her people and they will say, well, we're just seeing
Speaker 4: what Trump wants to do about it. We'll just see
Speaker 4: what let's see what happens. I mean, this ballroom issue
Speaker 4: is exactly the perfect example of this, which is that
Speaker 4: if you talk to any Republican strategists senior all the
Speaker 4: way down to the ground that I talked to a
Speaker 4: lot of them, you know, they will tell you that
Speaker 4: if the conversation is about a ballroom, that of course
Speaker 4: ninety nine point nine nimes that of Americans will never
Speaker 4: set foot in, right. That's like a huge part of
Speaker 4: the conversation. And also, you know, these gas prices are
Speaker 4: higher all summer. But this is exactly a bad idea
Speaker 4: for them. This is this is exactly what they don't want.
Speaker 4: It's exactly bad in every way. They're not running around
Speaker 4: being like, man, we love this, we really want to
Speaker 4: talk about this ballroom. But because Trump wants to talk
Speaker 4: about it, that's what people are going to talk about.
Speaker 4: And that's why you saw, for example, you know, after
Speaker 4: the you know, attempted shooting at the White House Correspondence Center,
Speaker 4: everybody lined up and said, okay, this is actually a
Speaker 4: ballary conversation now even though it really isn't a ballroom conversation,
Speaker 4: and it took away from a moment that was you
Speaker 4: know about many many many different things, you know, security
Speaker 4: around the president, the safety of these events, you know,
Speaker 4: just sort of genuinely like the feeling that people can't
Speaker 4: gather anymore and what that means for politics, and it'd
Speaker 4: become discommination. But no, no, it's Trump's pet project that
Speaker 4: comes directly from the president. Like I mean, if you
Speaker 4: talk to people who around him, they sort of like this,
Speaker 4: this is what they have to do now. And this
Speaker 4: is the problem that is getting into is that that
Speaker 4: was all really really funny games when this president was
Speaker 4: the guy driving this party into popular directions, right, I
Speaker 4: don't forget it actually was doing. There was a time
Speaker 4: when establishment Republicans were like, this guy is so dumb,
Speaker 4: we can't go anywhere near this stuff. And as soon
Speaker 4: as he would take him there, they would win and
Speaker 4: it was very exciting and very thrilling. But now the
Speaker 4: places that he is taking them are not helpful for
Speaker 4: them in the midterms, and so they are looking at
Speaker 4: this and they're kind of shrugging. He has such command
Speaker 4: over a large part of the electorate, particularly those older voters, and.
Speaker 1: We saw this in Indiana. We saw this in Indiana
Speaker 1: two weeks ago where the incumbents who support who didn't
Speaker 1: support redistricting, almost all of them lost.
Speaker 4: You absolutely thought, like we had great reporting of notice
Speaker 4: about this, who absolutely thought that was not gonna happen.
Speaker 4: This was not a thing where they thought, oh, we're
Speaker 4: all gonna lose. They thought, Okay, a couple of us
Speaker 4: are going to lose, but we're going to hold furniar,
Speaker 4: We're gonna we're gonna win. And they didn't at all.
Speaker 4: We're now reporting on how the Thomas Massey race that
Speaker 4: primary in Kentucky. Of course, you know Massey, the guy
Speaker 4: who helped get the fteam files out, that is looking
Speaker 4: like he's going to lose that U primary to his
Speaker 4: mega sort of funded candidate, whose entire opponent, whose entire
Speaker 4: campaign messages Thomas Massey does not stand with Trump. I'm
Speaker 4: gonna stand with Trump. That's what I'm doing. This is
Speaker 4: the kind of thing that, like, you know, it works
Speaker 4: on those voters we're going to turn out in that primary.
Speaker 4: But everybody will tell you who was involved in the
Speaker 4: long term planning of this that like it is a
Speaker 4: huge challenge for the mid term general election voter. I
Speaker 4: had one Republican strategy just talking the other day about
Speaker 4: how their plan is to go and find the low
Speaker 4: propensity voters and we're talking about the ones who may
Speaker 4: not even know, oh, there's a mid term going on.
Speaker 4: This is a very very low information behind This is
Speaker 4: like one of the hardest kind of voters to find
Speaker 4: and pull out. And the fact that that is part
Speaker 4: of their victory strategy just shows that they know they're
Speaker 4: in a tough spot, you know, and Trump is not
Speaker 4: helping them anymore. Trump is not guiding them in a
Speaker 4: direction that that that helps them. This is this is
Speaker 4: this is a guy who's now saying to them, no,
Speaker 4: we don't care about americans financial situation. Iran is more important. Also,
Speaker 4: this ballroom must be built, and maybe I need some
Speaker 4: taxpayer money for it after all, and everyone needs to
Speaker 4: say that that's what we need to do and we
Speaker 4: need to fight for that. This is just the kind
Speaker 4: of stuff that like, yes, this is Trump, It's it's
Speaker 4: Trump's show, and everybody else is just sort of living
Speaker 4: in it. The problem is the show is not that popular.
Speaker 1: Right now, right if you're a Republican candidate, you must
Speaker 1: hit your wagon to Trump in order to win MAGA.
Speaker 1: But you will then lose normal voters, including as according
Speaker 1: to this falling including Republican leaning indeed, and that you
Speaker 1: can't win. There is no math where you can win.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's why you can win in these primaries
Speaker 1: if you go full MAGA. But there's no math unless
Speaker 1: you're in a in like a Mississippi, where you can
Speaker 1: win as a MAGA but without Republican independent voters.
Speaker 4: And I'll tell you those places are getting harder too.
Speaker 4: I mean a place everybody should look at this week
Speaker 4: is Texas thirty five. Okay, this this is a congressional
Speaker 4: district that was redrawn by the Republicans, specifically as part
Speaker 4: of their jerrymander. Okay, we're gonna do this thing. It's
Speaker 4: gonna be really really hard for Democrats to win it.
Speaker 4: We're gonna win this. We don't need to bother this anymore.
Speaker 4: We're gonna draw out opposition. This is a place that
Speaker 4: on paper is a Trump plus twelve district. And there's
Speaker 4: reporting this morning that Republican money operations are having to
Speaker 4: dump funds into the Democratic primary in that race where
Speaker 4: there's kind of a candidate that Democrats think is sort
Speaker 4: of a kook and has no chance of winning, and
Speaker 4: there's another candidate who they think could maybe win, and
Speaker 4: the Republicans are coming in and trying to sort of
Speaker 4: bolster the cook you know, as sometimes happens. But the
Speaker 4: fact that they are spending money in Texas thirty five
Speaker 4: there's suppostable to to be handoff. It's Trump plus twelve,
Speaker 4: so it should not matter at all, right, like we
Speaker 4: can just walk away from this. But they're spending real money,
Speaker 4: hundreds of thousands of dollars more on trying to get
Speaker 4: the candidate that they think they can actually beat, because
Speaker 4: which signals an idea that actually even that level of
Speaker 4: district in Texas could be competitive. That's how unpopular Trump
Speaker 4: is with those indies that you're talking about.
Speaker 1: Is that a Latino district, Yes, it's real grand Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's one that has picked up some of those
Speaker 4: voters that they're relying on that they were twenty twenty four.
Speaker 4: They might not now, but it just speaks to the
Speaker 4: fact that, like the entire plan here was that Trump
Speaker 4: would be popular among his base among you know a
Speaker 4: lot of people the Democrats would be very unpopular, which
Speaker 4: of course they are.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 4: And then also we were going to draw these lines
Speaker 4: to make it so like we can emphasize the Trump
Speaker 4: popularity stuff and really make it impopuble for Democrats about
Speaker 4: how unpopular they are. And that conversation is sort of
Speaker 4: like flipped in away that Democrats are still very unpopular,
Speaker 4: people don't like them. But in Texas thirty five, rebel
Speaker 4: Remarlicans think that Trump isn't popular enough to drag them
Speaker 4: over the line and let them putting some sort of
Speaker 4: thumb on the scale. That is a big deal. If
Speaker 4: it plays out in other red places across the country
Speaker 4: like that, it just speaks to how much trouble Trump
Speaker 4: has put them in.
Speaker 1: And lay Book had this insane story this morning where
Speaker 1: they had James Blair talking about how he's very optimistic
Speaker 1: for the midterms, which he will be the only person
Speaker 1: ever to be optimistic of the Republican side. But perhaps
Speaker 1: there's a smidget of smidget of spin in that, but
Speaker 1: he he says that like the redistricting is going to
Speaker 1: just they're just going to win on the redistricting. But
Speaker 1: this what your point with Texas thirty five which I
Speaker 1: think is relevant, is like, if you are redistricting with
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four numbers that have Trump way up with
Speaker 1: voting groups that we now see he's just completely underwater
Speaker 1: with now like Latino voters, like young voters, if you're
Speaker 1: using those numbers, like it's anybody's guess what this map
Speaker 1: is going to look like?
Speaker 4: I known't. James Blair is a perfect person to talk
Speaker 4: about this because he is like really smart and actually
Speaker 4: very much knows what he's doing. And he's a guy
Speaker 4: that after the twenty twenty five elections in Virginia and
Speaker 4: New Jersey where the Democrats vastly overperformed their polling and
Speaker 4: did really really well just to lacked the Republicans up
Speaker 4: and down the line, he said, look, we're going to
Speaker 4: pivot to affordability. Now, We're going to focus like this
Speaker 4: is this was an affordability election. We're going to pivot
Speaker 4: to that. We're going to do that.
Speaker 1: When does that happen?
Speaker 4: Well, this is the thing is that, like this goes
Speaker 4: back to what you're talking about with Trump, is that
Speaker 4: like this is what a very smart and intelligence strategist
Speaker 4: said out loud in an interview about what they're gonna
Speaker 4: do and you even see it. You've seen some stuff lately,
Speaker 4: right Trump is talking about, oh, let's suspend the national
Speaker 4: gas text. He's pushing this housing bill. This is stuff
Speaker 4: that like, again, if it was the only thing that
Speaker 4: they were talking about, this is what a guy like
Speaker 4: James Blair would be wanting the president to do. Like
Speaker 4: we're going to talk about making stuff cheaper. We're going
Speaker 4: to talk about, you know, making building houses all that
Speaker 4: kind of stuff. But the problem has been that Trump
Speaker 4: is on his own sort of flights of fancy with
Speaker 4: there's other stuff the ballroom and it's ex amazing cost
Speaker 4: and a really gaudy type of thing. That's a huge
Speaker 4: part of the conversation that Trump keeps talking about the
Speaker 4: war in Iran. You know that they got into the
Speaker 4: kind of can't get out of back ends up being
Speaker 4: a huge part of the conversation, and it does require
Speaker 4: now a change in tone on gas price is now
Speaker 4: it's like good that they're going up because it means
Speaker 4: that we're spreading freedom or something like that, which voters
Speaker 4: are not buying. But Blair's a perfect example of this
Speaker 4: because they had a whole map here that was kind
Speaker 4: of interesting map but it does. It speaks to where
Speaker 4: they thought their heads were at. Like I talked to
Speaker 4: I did just from reporting earlier this week talking to
Speaker 4: Republican strategist who told me this idea that they had
Speaker 4: America two fifty, this big two and fifty anniversary of
Speaker 4: America in July fourth, would be a great opportunity for
Speaker 4: the Republicans because, of course they would predict that the
Speaker 4: Democrats and sort of like fracture over patriotism. As you expect,
Speaker 4: they would along the traditional lines and Republicans mean while
Speaker 4: going to stand there and say, hey, we love America
Speaker 4: just like you. We love the flag right a great time.
Speaker 4: This is the thing that like last year, had they
Speaker 4: said it last year, you'd be like, yeah, that actually
Speaker 4: makes sense. Actually, I think that might actually really work.
Speaker 4: I mean, the Democrats are really bad, but now it
Speaker 4: looks like maybe, I guess. But aren't you also going
Speaker 4: to have to talk about the fact that it costs
Speaker 4: more to drive around either to a protest of a
Speaker 4: two and or fifteth animated reverse event or to a
Speaker 4: celebration of it than it did last year? Are you
Speaker 4: going to have to talk about how groceries are still
Speaker 4: up and you can't afford things, and your healthcare costs
Speaker 4: have gone up, and maybe you've had to quit your
Speaker 4: coverage that you had through Obamacare because those premiums went up.
Speaker 4: Those things still exist, and so you see a guy
Speaker 4: like Blair who had a plan and has continued to
Speaker 4: talk about the plan, just how that plan has been
Speaker 4: completely overturned by a person by Trump basically, and what
Speaker 4: Trump is actually doing and they're having to sort of
Speaker 4: scramble to fix that. And then maybe you have this
Speaker 4: covers now on the other side of it. Actually it's
Speaker 4: these far right wingers that we liked before, maybe they're
Speaker 4: actually doing this to us. And really it's all kind
Speaker 4: of like everyone's looking around for who did this, when
Speaker 4: like it's Trump who did it, And like that makes
Speaker 4: things really hard because he's a guy who does not
Speaker 4: allow you to run against him.
Speaker 1: Evan will come back, of course, at any time. You know.
Speaker 1: Dan Osborne is an independent candidate in the Nebraska Senate pace. Welcome, Welcome, Dan,
Speaker 1: Thank you. So you are running for Senate in Nebraska
Speaker 1: and the primary contest is over. I want you to
Speaker 1: talk about what Nebraska looks like right now. It is
Speaker 1: a historically very complicated state, but we are in a
Speaker 1: very historically complicated moment.
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, we absolutely are.
Speaker 7: And so you know, in twenty twenty four, I ran
Speaker 7: unopposed to deb Fisher. You know, I'm still pretty proud
Speaker 7: of what we did. We were just able to take
Speaker 7: the message that working class people deserve a seat of
Speaker 7: the table at the United States Senate. We took that
Speaker 7: all around Nebraska and we ended up getting forty seven
Speaker 7: percent of the vote. So this time my opponent now
Speaker 7: is Pete Ricketts, and so it's noteworthy to know who
Speaker 7: he is before we begin this story because he's the
Speaker 7: son of billionaire Joe Ricketts. The family has a net
Speaker 7: worth of eight point five billion dollars. So these are
Speaker 7: the type of people that feel like they have no
Speaker 7: accountability in their life and they can do anything they want. So,
Speaker 7: you know, he has made a living in Nebraska over
Speaker 7: the last twenty years trying to ruin people's lives and
Speaker 7: taking power using his money and bringing other people down.
Speaker 7: So what he did is he put in this guy,
Speaker 7: William Forbes into the Nebraska Democratic primary. This guy, he's
Speaker 7: this pro life preacher out in Scott's Bluff that's in
Speaker 7: western Nebraska who preaches hate. He puts his sermons online
Speaker 7: and we have a lot of them, so he preaches
Speaker 7: a lot of hate and discrimination. He's a three time
Speaker 7: Trump voter. And he also just as early as January
Speaker 7: attended a Nebraska GOP training session for candidates. Pretty obvious
Speaker 7: who he was and what Ricketts is trying to do,
Speaker 7: because he knows. Ricketts knows if we get this down
Speaker 7: to a one on one, he is in significant trouble.
Speaker 6: He's underwater.
Speaker 7: And so incomes the other Democrat in the race, Cindy Burbank.
Speaker 7: And Cindy's a free spirit biker lady who chose to
Speaker 7: run to basically keep Forbes off the ballot.
Speaker 1: So talk us through what happened.
Speaker 8: Well, the Nebraska state Democrats supported Cindy, and Cindy moved
Speaker 8: through the primary.
Speaker 6: And I mean it's really as simple as that.
Speaker 1: When I interviewed you two years ago, the idea that
Speaker 1: you could be a candidate that was I almost feel
Speaker 1: like you ran on your work as working as a
Speaker 1: working person more than you ran on your partisan affiliation.
Speaker 1: And I think that that has been now we're seeing
Speaker 1: a lot of people do that. I've interviewed, I've interviewed
Speaker 1: Senate candidates from other sort of more purplish states who
Speaker 1: are doing that. It feels like you were sort of
Speaker 1: the first of that trend now and we're seeing it
Speaker 1: in all different places, and we're even seeing you have
Speaker 1: on the ground experience in your state in a way
Speaker 1: that journalists don't. So I'm curious what input and your
Speaker 1: experiences with the people you.
Speaker 4: Talk to on the ground.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I talked to two thousands. I try to talk
Speaker 7: to as many as possible. We did over two hundred
Speaker 7: public publicly advertised events in twenty four We've done probably
Speaker 7: close to seventy this time. Will probably shoot for way
Speaker 7: over that two hundred mark, because that's what's important to me, right,
Speaker 7: getting out and talking to the people every day that
Speaker 7: make it happen, that run their small towns, that run
Speaker 7: their large cities, and just really try to understand their life.
Speaker 7: Because I'm a first and foremost, I'm a pipefitter, right,
Speaker 7: I'm not a Democrat, I'm not a Republican. I'm a pipefitter.
Speaker 7: That's who I am. It's who I've always been. And
Speaker 7: son going out and learning people people's industries like in
Speaker 7: agriculture or education or nursing, healthcare, administrators.
Speaker 6: I mean, you name it.
Speaker 7: I've talked to them and try to learn from them.
Speaker 7: And you know, to answer your original question is why
Speaker 7: it seems obvious to me, right, and what we did
Speaker 7: in twenty twenty four, it seems very obvious because you know,
Speaker 7: I look at Washington, DC. I see a country club, right,
Speaker 7: I see a country club of millionaires that work for billionaires.
Speaker 7: And I'm like, well, these people don't get me why.
Speaker 7: You know, I'm just looking for for decent representation in
Speaker 7: my own government, like most of us are.
Speaker 6: So my campaign really is for the.
Speaker 7: You know, the nurses, the teachers, the carpenters, the plumbers,
Speaker 7: bus drivers, and lunch ladies. And that's who I talk to.
Speaker 7: If you're a billionaire, I don't got time for you. You know,
Speaker 7: this is and I'm sick and tired of this pay
Speaker 7: to play world. Everything is pay to play, and so
Speaker 7: I'm not interested in those the people that are, you know,
Speaker 7: carving up the United States like they're on a little
Speaker 7: monopoly board that they have ricked.
Speaker 6: So the sentiment with people I'm.
Speaker 7: Finding is very similar to mine, and I'm able to
Speaker 7: connect with those people. I call it paycheck populism, right,
Speaker 7: I've always gotten a paycheck every week. I know how
Speaker 7: much comes in, I know how much goes out, and
Speaker 7: I know if I don't, if I miss work, I
Speaker 7: fall behind.
Speaker 6: You know, just the other day, I had to stop
Speaker 6: the pump short.
Speaker 7: I haven't had to do that long time because my
Speaker 7: mortgage is coming out. So you know, these are the
Speaker 7: decisions that people are being forced to make because of
Speaker 7: just I mean, I don't know if I can cuss
Speaker 7: on this podcast.
Speaker 4: I feel like, but just.
Speaker 6: I mean, just a shitty policy, right, it is.
Speaker 7: It is shitty policy. It's it's killing our ag sector.
Speaker 7: It's it's hurting consumers left and right. And and you
Speaker 7: got I always ask myself who's winning, who's winning? And
Speaker 7: all this and certainly the military, the military industrial complex
Speaker 7: is always.
Speaker 6: Going to win.
Speaker 7: Uh, they're winning, you know, the Ricketts family, the people
Speaker 7: who are getting a lie and share the tax cuts
Speaker 7: with this big beautiful bill.
Speaker 6: They're winning.
Speaker 7: And I don't know if they think the rest of
Speaker 7: us are just stupid, but we're not.
Speaker 6: We're on to the scheme.
Speaker 7: And I think it takes it takes working people coming together.
Speaker 7: That's why they're freaking out, Pete rick It's spent three
Speaker 7: million in the state so far since May. Nobody's ever
Speaker 7: spent that money in Nebraska that early because they know
Speaker 7: we're getting organized and we're organizing everybody. And I don't
Speaker 7: care what letter you have next to your name, it
Speaker 7: didn't matter to me. We've all been sold to bill
Speaker 7: of goods by both the parties throughout the years, starting
Speaker 7: with Clinton and NAFTA, hurting our industries. So you know,
Speaker 7: just no matter where the pendulum swings, it feels like
Speaker 7: where can.
Speaker 6: People get left behind?
Speaker 7: And you know, that's a lot of what we talk
Speaker 7: about in my town halls.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about this sort of indictment of neoliberalism, which
Speaker 1: farm mers are really getting screwed right now. And I'd
Speaker 1: love you you're in Nebraska, I'd love you to talk
Speaker 1: about what that looks like on the ground and what
Speaker 1: you're seeing.
Speaker 7: Yeah, well, I'd be remiss to not say that Nebraska
Speaker 7: is first in the country in beef. We're second, I
Speaker 7: believe in corn production and more fifth than soy bean production.
Speaker 7: And tariff policy, bad tariff sweeping terra policy ISFiC, specifically
Speaker 7: with China in the ag sector, has cut off fifty
Speaker 7: two percent of our exports and you know, so now
Speaker 7: what we have is we have farmers with bins full
Speaker 7: of rotting, sooey beans. And I was talking to a
Speaker 7: roe crop farmer the other day and I asked him,
Speaker 7: I said, Hey, is this belout actually gonna bail you out?
Speaker 7: And he said, well, a little bit, right, I mean
Speaker 7: every bit, a little bit helps, But at the end
Speaker 7: of the day, it does nothing for me. In twenty
Speaker 7: twenty five, I'm just out. And so they didn't they
Speaker 7: didn't make it. Well, they're losing money in twenty twenty five,
Speaker 7: and then for twenty twenty six, it's supposed to help
Speaker 7: me with my inputs. Well, now the war in Iran
Speaker 7: have jacked up the cost of their inputs, which is,
Speaker 7: you know, seed and diesel fuel for their tractors and
Speaker 7: then fertilizer. The guy I was talking to, he farms
Speaker 7: nineteen hundred acres, so he's a small farmer, family farmer.
Speaker 7: His fertilizer cost is up fifty thousand dollars then it
Speaker 7: would have been pre war. So this is really digging
Speaker 7: into our ag sector. And we're in the midst of
Speaker 7: a farm crisis right Our lands are dry. We've had
Speaker 7: the seventh largest the nation's largest fire in Nebraska that
Speaker 7: just recently got put out. It destroyed pasture, it destroyed crops,
Speaker 7: it destroyed fences. And you know, we have an aging
Speaker 7: farmer population. In about thirteen fourteen years, the majority of
Speaker 7: them are going to be aged out and the young
Speaker 7: people aren't staying on the farm. So why would you
Speaker 7: you know, with issues like right to repair that takes
Speaker 7: their profits and now bad policy and now bad foreign
Speaker 7: policy cutting into their profits.
Speaker 6: Two percent of the population feed the rest of us.
Speaker 7: And oh, I got to backtrack a little bit with cutting,
Speaker 7: you know, taking a chainsaw to USAID. And you know,
Speaker 7: this is the first time in this country that we
Speaker 7: import more of our food than we export, and that's
Speaker 7: a direct result of cutting USAID. You know, we've we've
Speaker 7: always taken pride in feeding the hungary around the world,
Speaker 7: and now all of a sudden, you know, this America
Speaker 7: First agenda, which is turning out to be America only agenda,
Speaker 7: is hurting people. It's definitely hurting my family directly, you know,
Speaker 7: talking about tariff policy, not just in agriculture, but in
Speaker 7: my industry. A domestic water heater has gone up six
Speaker 7: hundred dollars since Trump's tariffs. So what does that mean?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 7: The company that I work for, Grundwald Mechanical, they're not
Speaker 7: going to eat that six hundred dollars because if they do,
Speaker 7: they go out of business.
Speaker 6: So it gets passed on to us the consumer who asked,
Speaker 6: who has a need for that?
Speaker 7: Or if you're building a home, that's why parents of
Speaker 7: home homes are skyrocketing because of building materials, because of
Speaker 7: tariffs with Mexico and Canada. Like this just doesn't make
Speaker 7: any economic sense, but people are definitely seeing it, and
Speaker 7: they're definitely Pete Ricketts, my opponent, is he's complacent and
Speaker 7: all this. He just rubber stamps this stuff because he's
Speaker 7: the one when I ask who's winning, he's winning.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that's a really good and important message.
Speaker 1: I'm wondering if you could talk about the Medicaid. There's
Speaker 1: Medicaid cuts that are going to happen after the midterms.
Speaker 1: You're in a rural state, so you must see some
Speaker 1: rural hospital closure, right or talk to me about the
Speaker 1: downstream of effects of that.
Speaker 6: So there's been two that I can point to. One
Speaker 6: in Curtis, Nebraska.
Speaker 7: Uh, that's out by McCook and that's southwest Nebraska.
Speaker 6: They shut down there.
Speaker 7: They announced they're shutting down a satellite hospital and in
Speaker 7: its place, not like directly in its place, but in
Speaker 7: the same town, they've opened up what's called what they
Speaker 7: dubbed Cornhusker Clink, which is a migrant detention center. So
Speaker 7: we're shutting down hospitals and we're opening up privatized detention
Speaker 7: centers where people are profiting off of, you know, arresting migrants.
Speaker 6: And you know, this is uh.
Speaker 7: This, this is this is backwards, right, And so we're
Speaker 7: cutting three hundred billion dollars from Medicaid and but it's
Speaker 7: okay because we're at I.
Speaker 6: Mean, fifty billion for rural hospitals.
Speaker 7: I'm not a mathematician, but I know that number that
Speaker 7: doesn't add up. That's bad math. And there was another
Speaker 7: article that just came out. It was about a guy
Speaker 7: on dialysis. I forget the location, we can double check,
Speaker 7: I suppose for the sake of the podcast. But he
Speaker 7: now has to drive ninety miles for dialysis every other
Speaker 7: day versus the ten miles he was driving because his
Speaker 7: clinic closed. And this story is going to be put
Speaker 7: on repeat. And what that means, it means people are
Speaker 7: going to die, right, it means people are going to die,
Speaker 7: and so they basically stripped Medicaid to give themselves at
Speaker 7: tax cuts and by themselves. I'm talking about the billionaire class,
Speaker 7: the Pete Ricketts family of the world, who sees the
Speaker 7: lion's share of this man, I don't know how if
Speaker 7: you're that guy, I don't know how you sleep at night. Yeah,
Speaker 7: well he probably sleeps in a ten thousand dollars I
Speaker 7: get to Cotten sheets, I guess, but I don't know.
Speaker 1: But I think that's a really good point. And I
Speaker 1: think that I think that's a really good point. And
Speaker 1: I also think that it it's really it's really important,
Speaker 1: important to the part of this. It's not just populistic, right,
Speaker 1: it's helping people who government who have not been rich enough.
Speaker 1: I mean, like this government has been so paid for
Speaker 1: play after the fall of citizens United that working people
Speaker 1: have gotten screwed. And that is what this is about, right,
Speaker 1: It's about about it.
Speaker 7: So talk us through that, Yeah, you know, I mean,
Speaker 7: it's it's about you know the history of the United
Speaker 7: States and us being capitalists and free market and enterprise
Speaker 7: and building amazing things.
Speaker 6: Which we have done. But you know, we have.
Speaker 7: Gotten to this point where you know, we're right deb
Speaker 7: smack in the middle of a gilded age again. But
Speaker 7: instead of the Vanderbilts and the Carnegie and the JP Morgan's,
Speaker 7: you can just replace it with Musk, Zuckerberg and Bezos.
Speaker 6: You might as well include Rickets and that as.
Speaker 7: Well, where you know, point half of point one percent
Speaker 7: control more than ninety percent of the wealth in this country.
Speaker 6: And you know, everybody's like, oh, why do you hate
Speaker 6: rich people? Blah blah blah blah blah. I don't. I
Speaker 6: want everybody to be millionaires. But here's a difference.
Speaker 7: There's a there's a big difference between a millionaire and
Speaker 7: somebody who has twenty billion dollars, right, That is a
Speaker 7: that is a vast, vast difference. And I want to
Speaker 7: arguably one of the most, if not the most abundant
Speaker 7: country on the planet. There is enough here for all
Speaker 7: of us to live extremely well. And the fact that
Speaker 7: people are hoarding it is certainly a question of morality.
Speaker 7: And you know it's how they accumulate their well too.
Speaker 6: They do it off of our backs.
Speaker 7: I know, because I'm the one punching a clock and
Speaker 7: wrenching my employer, and as long as I'm getting a
Speaker 7: decent wage and decent benefits, I don't care. Right, that's
Speaker 7: my choice to go to work and punch a clock.
Speaker 7: I like working with my hands. But the problem is
Speaker 7: is they still want to continue to break the unions,
Speaker 7: and they want to pay people less and less and
Speaker 7: less so they can keep getting richer and richer and richer,
Speaker 7: which I don't really understand that. That's not what being
Speaker 7: Americans about. I think forming a union is just as
Speaker 7: American as apple, buie and baseball. But they've spent billions
Speaker 7: of dollars and anti union rhetoric at you know these
Speaker 7: companies like Amazon.
Speaker 1: So you will now be there. It will be you
Speaker 1: versus Rickets. Cindy Burbank gets dropping out. What when you
Speaker 1: when voters come to you, it must be such a
Speaker 1: stark contrast between you and records.
Speaker 6: It is.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, I always tell people Robin Williams, I
Speaker 7: love that guy, the late comedian. He said it best
Speaker 7: when he said our politicians should be wearing patches, Nascar
Speaker 7: style jackets with patches of their sponsors so.
Speaker 6: We know how they're going to vote.
Speaker 7: And that's the difference. I don't take corporate money. That
Speaker 7: is my dig on citizens. You know, my little dig
Speaker 7: I'm playing my little part in fighting Citizens United is.
Speaker 6: I don't take their money because I'm not going to
Speaker 6: do their bidding. I want to do this the.
Speaker 7: Way two hundred and fifty years ago the Founders intended
Speaker 7: it to be.
Speaker 6: And that's a government buying for people.
Speaker 7: And right now it's pretty obvious it's a government for
Speaker 7: the corporations and the one percent. So that that is
Speaker 7: the fundamental difference between me and my opponent.
Speaker 1: Thank you Dan for joining us. Really appreciate you.
Speaker 6: Oh, thank you too. I appreciate you being honest. Good
Speaker 6: to talk to you again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm I am so. I hope you win no
Speaker 1: more perfectly, Jesse Cannon.
Speaker 2: So, Mollie, what's been going on in Tennessee is just despicable.
Speaker 2: The state House is run worse than any state house
Speaker 2: I can think of, whenever there's any any contention in it.
Speaker 2: When you watch the video footage, it is unbelievable the
Speaker 2: way they talk to one another. And now we have
Speaker 2: even more evidence of this as the Democrats have been
Speaker 2: stripped of their committee assignments.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean so, this is just a completely fucked
Speaker 1: thing where he removed every Democrat from committees. All members
Speaker 1: of the Democratic Caucus have been removed from their committees
Speaker 1: and subcommittees, according to a letter. And this is he's
Speaker 1: mad because they during a special session over redistricting across Tennessee.
Speaker 1: He felt that they were disrupting the democratic and legislative
Speaker 1: process and creating disorder on the House floor. He went
Speaker 1: on to cite specific examples as Democrats interlocking arms and
Speaker 1: blocking aisles on the House floor. Again, this is like Republicans.
Speaker 1: You know, Democrats do something and Republicans do something that's
Speaker 1: like ten times more insane and anti democratic.
Speaker 2: I think the phrase you used to like to bring
Speaker 2: was the teddy bear to the gun.
Speaker 1: Train, right exactly, Teddy bear into a knife fight. And
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