1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: Welcome everyone. This is View from the Raptors, the podcast 2 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:06,559 Speaker 1: This is Good News. I would like to be a 3 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: part of that. I could make it up and you'd 4 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: be like, oh, yeah, that sounds right right, just keep going, 5 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: I believe Green she'd probably have somebody look at that. 6 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:19,079 Speaker 1: Al right, everyone, it's my pleasure to welcome in the 7 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 1: one the only, the longest tenured Celtics player, Marcus Smart 8 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: to the podcast of View from the Raptors Behind the 9 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: scenes with the Boston Celtics. Marcus, I had to say 10 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 1: your name that way because it's the only way to 11 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 1: say it in Boston. But tell me how much you 12 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 1: miss here in Tommy Heinstein scream your name like that. Man, 13 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 1: It's never gonna get old. You said it right, you know, 14 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 1: being in Boston, you have to say my name like that. 15 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:44,839 Speaker 1: My name is perfect for the Boston accent with the 16 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 1: two rs and everything. So but I'm definitely gonna miss 17 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: hearing Tommy saying Marcus and just being able to sit 18 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 1: down and you know, really talk to him and pick 19 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: his brain and listen to what he has to say. 20 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: Doing preparation for this. One of the most search terms 21 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 1: for you is ken Marcus Smart dunk really, yes that 22 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:08,040 Speaker 1: First of all, what do you think about that that 23 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 1: people think you can't dunk's that's really interesting. You know, 24 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 1: I've been dunking since I was in seventh grade, so 25 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 1: it's it's kind of weird to hear that. I guess 26 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: just because I don't really dunk so much anymore, that 27 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 1: that people forget that. I still came. Well, I gotta 28 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 1: jump in and say, I just talked to one of 29 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 1: your teammates recently, probably about a week ago, offline, and 30 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: he told me, well, I asked him who the best 31 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 1: dunkers on the team are now that Javante is no 32 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 1: longer in Boston. Guess whose name came up. Of course 33 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 1: Marcus Smart's name came up. But I'm told that you 34 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: do some crazy things behind closed doors. I mean, I 35 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:44,320 Speaker 1: know you do the over the head shot when you're 36 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 1: warming up before the game. I've heard that you had 37 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: some pretty crazy dunks and and just some shots that 38 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 1: you make when the doors are closed and no one 39 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 1: else is in there. Definitely, there's a lot of things 40 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: that my teammates they get to see that others don't, 41 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 1: especially like during practice. You know, I'm always betting those 42 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: guys just messing with him. You know, I missed a 43 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 1: couple of shots that they're like, there's nowhere you're gonna 44 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 1: make and then you know, out of nowhere, like just 45 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 1: bety one shot is all at me, and then I'll 46 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 1: shoot it and walk away and goes in there like 47 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 1: how does he hits that every time? Or I'll do 48 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:13,920 Speaker 1: some type of some type of shot or or dunk 49 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: or something to the basket that that just has him 50 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: in awe and they're just like, why we don't see 51 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:20,360 Speaker 1: this in the games? Is like, listen, this is this 52 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 1: is not for games stuff, right, why not? Why don't 53 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: you bring it to the parquet? Marcus? Unfortunately I don't 54 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: get that opportunity like others do it to bring it 55 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: to the parque, So you know, I kind of keep 56 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 1: it in my back pocket. Well, Marcus, it's crazy to me. 57 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: I feel like it was just yesterday that I was 58 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 1: down in New York City. I believe it was at 59 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 1: the Barclay Center at that time on Draft night and 60 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: your name gets called. I'm the first person from the 61 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 1: Celtics to shake your hand. I don't even know if 62 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 1: you remember that I actually do. We walk in the 63 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 1: back and you know, we start to talk and you 64 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: open up your jacket and you're telling me about what's 65 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 1: on the inside of your jacket. First and foremost, does 66 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:00,919 Speaker 1: it not feel like time flys in this business? That 67 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 1: that was seven almost eight years ago at this point, Yeah, 68 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 1: I thought the same. And secondly, didn't that jacket basically 69 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 1: like tell your life story? I feel like everything important 70 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 1: to you was on that jacket now, definitely, you know, 71 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 1: and I thought the exact same, you know, Toms Fly. 72 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 1: You know, I'm talking to my family, I'm talking to 73 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 1: you know, the teammates, the younger guys here, and you know, 74 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:25,519 Speaker 1: just reminiscing how you know quickly that you know, I 75 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 1: mean year seven already, and it felt like yesterday. I 76 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 1: was just hearing my name being called and speaking of 77 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 1: that jacket. I still have that jacket to this day. 78 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 1: You know, it's it's like hung up, it's preserved perfectly. 79 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: But yeah, I told my life story. You know. It 80 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: had the tattoo I have with my brother, you know, 81 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 1: my mom's name, my high school where I'm from, a 82 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: couple more tattoos, my college number. It was just a 83 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: whole unique creativity thing that we did with the jacket. 84 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: From my mom at that time when she was still 85 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: here to to to witness it and and to really 86 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: bring into fruition that you know, um, the dream that 87 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: that I've been working for and that she sacrificed so 88 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 1: much for us finding me here. Where's that jacket hanging 89 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 1: to that? It's in my closet at my house. I'll 90 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: keep it everywhere, no matter where it stays with me. 91 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 1: I'm waiting. I'm trying to get a frame for it. 92 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 1: I'm actually framing with the with the jacket open and 93 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: hang it up so it would never be forgotten. So 94 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: right now, it's robe robe, rob ro rope, jacket robe, 95 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:20,839 Speaker 1: robe rope. That's what your closet looks like exactly. And 96 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 1: Young Game change your sweatshirts, so definitely Game changes sweatshirts. 97 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:29,039 Speaker 1: But Marcus, it is that origin story is what we 98 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 1: want to get into today and and talk about with 99 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: you and hear you tell your story. So for me, 100 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 1: I think when I hear your story, what stands out 101 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: to me your mom, And I think we're gonna talk 102 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,720 Speaker 1: a lot about your mom, Camelia, but also your brother, 103 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 1: and you mentioned Todd. Can you tell us about Todd? 104 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 1: You know from me? Being so young, I didn't really 105 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 1: get to see him play as much. You know, to 106 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 1: be honest, I didn't get to see him play at all. 107 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: I've been told he was even better than you. Definitely, 108 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 1: definitely so he actually he definitely actually was. He was 109 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: actually the tallest one of my family members. He was 110 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 1: six six and you know, he was more of the 111 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 1: score of the family when it when it came to that, 112 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 1: he didn't played no defense at all, but yeah, you 113 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 1: know he so that doesn't run in the family. It does. Actually, 114 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 1: he's the only one. You know, the other two of 115 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:19,280 Speaker 1: my brothers, you know, they played defense and you know, um, 116 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: you know they're defensive minded. But him, he was straight 117 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: scored the ball and that was all he cared about. 118 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:25,160 Speaker 1: He can walk into Jim, not stretch, and score the 119 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: ball and that was kind of his thing. So he 120 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: actually played with Thomas Hill, who actually played in Duke 121 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: and went to do so him and Thomas here were 122 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: teammates and it was just unique to hear about that. 123 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:37,480 Speaker 1: And too, you know, I've seen a few videos of him. 124 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 1: When he was docgnosed with cancer. He ended up having 125 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 1: a tumor behind his left eye, so you know, he 126 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 1: had to go into the hospital on the game day. 127 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 1: I think it was senior night. I want to be 128 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:49,720 Speaker 1: I'm not sure it was senior night or was in 129 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 1: the night, but he was checked in the hospital and 130 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 1: you know, he was goetting to his chemo and got 131 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:56,280 Speaker 1: this tumor by his left eye that just closed his 132 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: eyes shut. And literally about twenty minutes before the game, 133 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 1: they said, he comes walking in, it's a full loaded gym. 134 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: Everybody's like, you know, they're kind of upset because he's 135 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:08,279 Speaker 1: not gonna be here. They understand what's going on. And 136 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 1: then they see him walk in and walk out with 137 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 1: his jersey and warm up and they're like, what are 138 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: you doing? Like who checked you out of the hospital, 139 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: And he's like myself, He was like, if I'm gonna 140 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,359 Speaker 1: die or guy's gonna take my life, where I'm gonna, 141 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: you know, leave this world, I'm gonna do it my way, 142 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 1: you know, and doing what I love to do, and 143 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 1: that's playing basketball. This is what makes me happy. And 144 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: they said he went out with one eye closed and 145 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:30,239 Speaker 1: score I think like thirty plus points and just shot 146 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 1: the ball like sufficiently, very well. And it was it 147 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 1: was just a sight to hear and just to hear 148 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: my family explain it to me and talk about it 149 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:39,479 Speaker 1: was just something that, you know, just always stuck with me. 150 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:41,839 Speaker 1: How many times have you heard that story, Marcus? Probably 151 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 1: a million times literally, Like every time we get together 152 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 1: as a family and we get together, were reminisce about 153 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: all the good times we had this thing where since 154 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 1: I was younger, my family would come over at like 155 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:55,719 Speaker 1: around Friday night on the weekends and you know, they're 156 00:06:55,760 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: growing up who played cards, dominoes, cook drink, you know, 157 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 1: their alcoholic brivilege. The kids would be in the other 158 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 1: room outside on the basketball court on the field at 159 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:09,679 Speaker 1: the park playing and you know, just really really having 160 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 1: those generations mixing and keep the family together for the 161 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 1: people out there who don't know you, guys, you and 162 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 1: Todd were separated by years, right, Tim's two, so about 163 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: twenty to thirty years almost, so he would have been 164 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: to this day fifty one or fifty two, I can't 165 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: remember off the top of my head. So and that's 166 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 1: why you weren't able to watch him. That being said, 167 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: I'm sure that he had a pretty significant impact on 168 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: your life in general. What what do you remember most 169 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 1: about your days with him before he did pass away um, 170 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: although I wasn't able to see him on a basketball court, 171 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 1: just being in my life in general, you know, he 172 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: was the guy. He was one of those guys that 173 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: you know, you can tell he was sick. You can 174 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: see it. You know, he was already a tall, kind 175 00:07:56,520 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 1: of slender guy. So you know, the chemo really affected them. 176 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: You know, when it got to his stomach and came 177 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 1: back and started to spread, he started to lose a 178 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: lot of weight that he already didn't have. So it 179 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:09,559 Speaker 1: was very relevant that you can see to the eye, 180 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 1: but he never allowed that effect him. There'd be days 181 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 1: where he comes from chemo and you you know, he's 182 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: hurting and he don't want to eat anything, he can't 183 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 1: keep anything down, and he's tired. But he'll be like 184 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 1: all the kids, let's go, We're gonna go to the pool. 185 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 1: You know, we take us to the fitty pool and 186 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 1: and you know, he sits out there in the hot 187 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 1: sun and and you know, he picks up some type 188 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 1: of energy I don't know where he gets it from 189 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 1: to get in and play with us a little bit 190 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 1: and take us to get ice cream. And then it 191 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 1: was times where the same thing. You know, he comes 192 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 1: home he's not feeling willing. And you know, my mom, 193 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 1: she was a home nurse, so she was constantly taking 194 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 1: care of him. Her brother at the time before he passed, 195 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 1: he was a paraplegic, so he, you know, he was 196 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 1: pay lots from the ways down. So she was taking 197 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: care of both of them and you know, going to 198 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 1: house to house and taking care of other people. So 199 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: she had a lot on plate. And he would come 200 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: in and she knew how tired he was and things, 201 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 1: and he'd be like, let's go to the mom, let's 202 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 1: go shopping. She's like, no, it's okay, and he's like, 203 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 1: I'm not asking, like let's go. Like you know, he 204 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 1: was just that guy, you know, no matter how bad 205 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 1: he felt within himself, he never allowed that the show 206 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:12,679 Speaker 1: with us and let it affect him of intertwining and 207 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 1: you know, just being in my life. How old were 208 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: all that was going on. I was about eleven around 209 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 1: that area. I remember actually the day that he finally 210 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: was pronounced dead. It was what week before. My mom 211 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 1: had actually got in a car accident and she was 212 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 1: and you know, went to the hospital and she was okay, 213 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 1: but it was a scared because they kept in here 214 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: for about two or three days to make sure things okay. 215 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 1: And I just remember coming home from school with me 216 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: and my cousin one day and my aunt comes home 217 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: and she's crying, and I'm like, what is going on? 218 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 1: Thinking what happened? Like what's going on? My mom, like 219 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: what's going on? And she's just bawling, and I'm just like, 220 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 1: what is going on? You know, and we kind of 221 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 1: me and my cousin kind of feeled the energy and 222 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: we started crying, and then she tells us, hey, we 223 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:01,680 Speaker 1: got to go to the hospital. You know, it's tied, 224 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 1: and you know, my mind is on my mom. So 225 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 1: when I heard it was tired, like I just froze, 226 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 1: you know, And instantly when she said that, like my 227 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 1: mind just went to the worst thing possible, that it's over, 228 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 1: like he's no longer with us, which she ended up 229 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: going to say that he's brain dead. We have him 230 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 1: on life support, but they pronounced him brain dead, and 231 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 1: the families there and they're about to take him off, 232 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:27,440 Speaker 1: and so you we need to go to the hospital. 233 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: So and it was crazy because I had an AU 234 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:32,439 Speaker 1: game tournament that we were supposed to go to, and 235 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:35,319 Speaker 1: my mom and everybody was just like, you know, we figured, 236 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 1: you know, you didn't want to go, so they canceled 237 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: and told my coach that he's not coming because my 238 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 1: whole team knew. Everybody but me at the time knew 239 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 1: about my brother, and today was waiting to tell me. 240 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:46,959 Speaker 1: And I remember we got in the car. We're rushing 241 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: to the hospital. I see some of my family members outside, 242 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:52,439 Speaker 1: and I remember it is like the longest hallway I've 243 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: ever walked in my life or ran down my my life. 244 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: I'm running, you know, and I just see family members 245 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:00,080 Speaker 1: left and right coming in and crying, and I'm just like, 246 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: oh gosh, like what's really going on? Like is this true? 247 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 1: Like is this really happening? And I remember I walked 248 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 1: into the room and to my mom, he's my cousins, 249 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:12,560 Speaker 1: And I remember they had him and his in the 250 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 1: hospital bed. His hoyspit shut. He was on his back, 251 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: he had his hands crossed, and my mom was sitting 252 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:19,679 Speaker 1: by his side. She was holding his hand and she 253 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 1: was crying, and I remember asking me, can I touch him? 254 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 1: Like what it like? I don't know, like what is 255 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 1: this like? It looked like he was sleeping, so I 256 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 1: didn't know what was really going on. To it to 257 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:33,079 Speaker 1: the extent, and she was like, yeah, you know, trying 258 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 1: to fix herself. And I remember touching his feet and 259 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: they were cold and like cold as ice, and I 260 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: was like, why is he so cold? Like what's going on? 261 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: And you know, at the time, like I knew his 262 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 1: brain dead, but she was like, you know, he can 263 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 1: still hear you, you know, just talk to him. You know. 264 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 1: I remember climbing in bed with him, giving him a 265 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 1: hug and kissing on his head and told him, you know, 266 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:55,079 Speaker 1: I love you, and you know I wish you you 267 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 1: would come back to us, but we understand, and you know, 268 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 1: don't worry. I got everything from here. And I remember 269 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: walking out the room. I couldn't take it. So I 270 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: walked out the room and my oldest brother at the time. 271 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: I remember it was crazy because I'm like a twelve 272 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 1: year old. He grabbed me and was like, you know, 273 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 1: wipe your tears, like as he's crying, wipe your tears. 274 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:15,199 Speaker 1: You know, we don't have time for this, you know 275 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like he's gone. You know, it's all 276 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:20,839 Speaker 1: on you now. You know, this was the last line 277 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 1: of defense for the family. He was the one that 278 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 1: was supposed to you know, change everything, and you know, 279 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 1: change everything around for the family. Now it's on you. 280 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 1: We don't he was talking about him and my other 281 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:31,440 Speaker 1: brother of time, we don't have our chances, and you know, 282 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 1: we don't let up on it. You know, Mom, she's 283 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: all you got now, you all she has, and you're 284 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 1: the one that has to do it. So there's no 285 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:41,319 Speaker 1: time for you to be a kid. So you gotta 286 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:43,680 Speaker 1: throw all that kids stuff out the window. And like, 287 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: you know, I know you want to be with your friends, 288 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 1: but this isn't the time to do that. You know, 289 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:49,679 Speaker 1: you gotta really focus and you gotta get to college, 290 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: and you have to make your dream come true because 291 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 1: you're it. So you know, I've never had a spring 292 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 1: break in my life. It was very rare that I 293 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 1: hung out with friends. I was playing every weekend, every day. 294 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:01,719 Speaker 1: I was playing, not only in high school. We go 295 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 1: straight from high school to summer ball and summer ball 296 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 1: back to high school, two different It was just I 297 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: was constantly busy. I was a lot of times I 298 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 1: was away from my family. So that's kind of where 299 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 1: it has been for me ever since. You know, I 300 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 1: had this momset where you know, every day I go 301 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 1: out here. I have to play like it's my last 302 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: because it could possibly be my last. And uh, you know, 303 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 1: my oldest brother didn't have a chance to to to 304 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 1: to live out his dream and it was taken away 305 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: from the short in a short amount of time. So 306 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 1: you know, you have to go out here and never 307 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 1: take this game from granted. I mean, Mark, because I 308 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 1: just listening to you say all of that and talk 309 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 1: about all of that that could happen in one day 310 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 1: to a kid who's ten, eleven, twelve years old. Those 311 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 1: are like your developmental years, where you know, not a 312 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: lot of people go through that type of tragedy and 313 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 1: are able to come out on the other side stronger. 314 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 1: Is what it sounds like like that that moment in 315 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 1: the hallway with one of your other older brothers really 316 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 1: changed you for the rest of your life when you 317 00:13:56,920 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: look back on that moment, just how important. I mean, 318 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 1: obviously it's one of the toughest days of your life, 319 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 1: but it sounds like it's also one of the more 320 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:10,599 Speaker 1: inspirational and positively impactful days in your life as well. Definitely, 321 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 1: you know, and then and even after you know, when 322 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 1: we finally put them the rest and buried them and 323 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 1: you know it didn't just automatically click with me. I 324 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 1: was in in a bad state of mind. I was 325 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: in a bad place, a very dark place where you know, 326 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 1: I was rebelling. I was, you know, just doing everything 327 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 1: our kids to to get the pain away from me, 328 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 1: and uh really diverted away from me into something else. 329 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 1: So you know, I was, you know, I was getting 330 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 1: in fights in schools. Actually got kicked out of my 331 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 1: school and Lancaster, and it's kind of how I ended 332 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 1: up in Flower Mount. I got kicked out of my 333 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 1: school and Lankester. I end up going to stay. What 334 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 1: most got you kicked out fighting, so I actually got in. 335 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 1: They had a rule like too many fight rules, so 336 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 1: I think this was like my tent fight of the year. 337 00:14:57,160 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: And they were like, you know what, we're ride and 338 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 1: because this time I put a kid almost in a hospital, 339 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 1: so they were like this is enough. So they sent 340 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 1: me to what's called Alternative Educational program AP never forget it. 341 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 1: It was. It was horrible. It was it was there's 342 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 1: a place that you don't want to be. I've seen 343 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: kids that were in there some second grade and now 344 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: in eighth grade, and it's it's pretty much a kid jail, 345 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 1: you go to school and at the time we were 346 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 1: in uniforms, so you know, you can only wear a 347 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 1: orange shirt, white shirt, black shirt, those on three colors 348 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 1: you can wear. You gonna wear khaki pants, black pants, 349 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 1: white pants, black shoes, white shoes. And I remember your 350 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 1: first ten days in there, your white shirt, and everybody 351 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 1: knows you have on a white shirt. You a newbie. 352 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 1: Everybody knew it day because they started off with thirty days. 353 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 1: They give you thirty days, and you can obviously get 354 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 1: more time added, more time released literally like like it's 355 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: a kid's prison, like, uh, day twenty to thirty. You 356 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 1: got on the black shirt, and so keep you got 357 00:15:57,400 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 1: people kind of know like okay, they're kind in the 358 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 1: middle of their time, they almost getting out, and if 359 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 1: you have an orange shirt, you're on your last ten 360 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 1: days or whatever. You're kind of getting out. And you 361 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 1: actually have to give like inmates do when they come 362 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: up for parole. They have a hearing of should we 363 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 1: let you out or not? You know, and you can 364 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 1: get an early release or they can wait till your 365 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 1: actual day to release you. In you know, it was crazy. 366 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 1: This is how we had. They made a standing line 367 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: everywhere we went. We walked in line, one out to 368 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 1: learner following the leader couldn't break the line. We had 369 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 1: report cards every day. If if your report card didn't 370 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 1: like if you're grade was below a ninety, that they 371 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 1: didn't count so that they remained it on your record. 372 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 1: So you have every day and you know, if say 373 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 1: you get in the fighting there or you get into 374 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 1: some trouble there, it wasn't like, all right, send you 375 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 1: to the principal officer, the principle will come down. He 376 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 1: will give you an option. You can get more days 377 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 1: at it, or you can take three paddles with the paddle, 378 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: and you know, so it was just like this guy 379 00:16:56,400 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 1: he was like six mine, just a big guy. And uh, 380 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 1: I've seen guys and girls take up to tony podders 381 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:06,160 Speaker 1: one time, like it's just like what are y'all doing? 382 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 1: Like I've seen people like get a hundred more days 383 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 1: because they didn't want to take the paddle, so the 384 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:13,119 Speaker 1: days kept adding up. And it was this just crazy 385 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 1: to me to hear this because this isn't that long ago. 386 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:19,160 Speaker 1: I feel like right now, like you would not hear 387 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 1: about that anywhere in America. It's like, not okay, anymore. 388 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:26,639 Speaker 1: I don't know. Crazy stuff happened to Texas. Yep, it was. 389 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:28,400 Speaker 1: It was a different, it was a different. I mean, 390 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:32,880 Speaker 1: I've had kids where yeah, it's it's it's it's Texas. 391 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: Texas is weird. It's his own little state, it's his 392 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 1: own little country in a sense. Um. But I've seen 393 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 1: kids where are you coming in to school or leaving 394 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 1: and they're on the school bus coming in there. We 395 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 1: had one kid on the who pete in the water 396 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: bottom threw it at a teacher off the school bucks 397 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 1: like these the type of kids that I'm in at 398 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:56,199 Speaker 1: this school with, Like I'm constantly have to watch my 399 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 1: back because I might have to I might have to 400 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:00,080 Speaker 1: fight somebody here. And that's just how it was. And 401 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:02,920 Speaker 1: you know, my mom, I'm like, dang, like how did 402 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 1: you get out? Marcus? When I first went in, I 403 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: was just like I was really down, like I don't 404 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 1: want to be here. I should be here, like this 405 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 1: is this is crazy? Like what's going on? You know? 406 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 1: And I just remember my mom telling me, you know, 407 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: just something you gotta deal with you You got yourself 408 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:18,199 Speaker 1: into this, and you gotta you gotta, you gotta do 409 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:20,359 Speaker 1: the time. You gotta get up out of there, and 410 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 1: you gotta mind your business and you know, and get 411 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:24,159 Speaker 1: up out of here. So you know, it was a 412 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 1: lot of temptations. It was a lot of people really 413 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:28,919 Speaker 1: edging me on and you know, trying to give me. 414 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 1: You know, just remember, you know, just keeping my head 415 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 1: down and you know, staying to myself as much as 416 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 1: I could, trying to do all the work I could, 417 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:38,880 Speaker 1: just really trying to be good and get this good 418 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 1: behavior where I can get an early release. And I remember, 419 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:44,160 Speaker 1: I think I got out on day I went up 420 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 1: to the board and they asking me these questions why 421 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:49,920 Speaker 1: I think they should let me go? Have I learned 422 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 1: my lesson? Like it was very humiliating, Like, like I said, 423 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: I was a kid prison you I'm looking like what 424 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 1: is going on? And then you know they have every 425 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 1: responsibility and you know, the leverage to deny you and 426 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 1: say no, we don't think you've learned a lesson ten 427 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 1: more days, Like it was ridiculous. So but you know, 428 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:11,200 Speaker 1: I just continue to stay my course. And really I 429 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 1: thought about what my brother told me. You know what 430 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:15,359 Speaker 1: I'm saying, like the road I'm going down is not 431 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:18,439 Speaker 1: what Todd would have gone. And if he was here. 432 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:20,239 Speaker 1: He wouldn't even allow you to be going through this, 433 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 1: so like, what are you doing? I remember, you know, 434 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:24,679 Speaker 1: once I got out, I told my mom I had 435 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:26,880 Speaker 1: a friend who lived in Red Oak at the time, 436 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 1: was about twenty minutes from Lancaster, and I used his 437 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 1: addressing and I started going school there for my seven 438 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 1: to eighth grade year, and then I got into some 439 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:39,359 Speaker 1: trouble there my eighth grade year with a teacher. I remember, 440 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: I'm like, I can't do this anymore. So my best friend, 441 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 1: Phil Forte is that Flairmont already. I remember we were 442 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 1: at a tournament. His dad was like, listen, you know, 443 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 1: it's a great school up here. It's a refreshing new 444 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:51,640 Speaker 1: vibe for you. It's a great education. If you get 445 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 1: in and you know you will have somebody that you know, 446 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:56,119 Speaker 1: a friendly faced to help you get around. So it 447 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 1: was weird because I'm at the time, I'm a ninth girl. 448 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 1: To two weeks in, I tell my mom, I'm like, listen, 449 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 1: I can't do it anymore. She was like, what are 450 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:04,679 Speaker 1: you talking about? So I explained the situation. I'm like, 451 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 1: it's getting to the point where like I'm going down 452 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 1: one road, two roads, it's even in jail or I'm 453 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:11,439 Speaker 1: gonna be dead by the age of twenty one, Like 454 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 1: I see it, because it's just so much out here 455 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 1: that's tempting for me, and it is really trying me. 456 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:18,439 Speaker 1: So she was like, so what are you saying. I'm like, 457 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:21,159 Speaker 1: we gotta move, you know, at a kid at this 458 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 1: age to make that decisions, you know, it took a 459 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:27,679 Speaker 1: lot because I'm leaving my family behind, leaving all my 460 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:29,919 Speaker 1: friends behind, and starting something new. And I moved to 461 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:33,680 Speaker 1: a predominantly all white school, like I'm just I'm already 462 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: just damn, you know. And I remember we said okay, 463 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 1: and three days later, I go and get my transkts 464 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:44,159 Speaker 1: from the school and everybody's surprised, like where are you 465 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 1: going because I didn't tell anybody. I just left and 466 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 1: they were like, oh my gosh, like why are you leaving? 467 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:51,119 Speaker 1: And like, I just got to do it. Never talked 468 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:53,679 Speaker 1: to it. I rarely talked to to some of my 469 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 1: friends back at the time. Back then, I think about 470 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:57,920 Speaker 1: it then, it was probably the best decision I could 471 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 1: have made for not only me and my family in 472 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:03,680 Speaker 1: my career, you know, And you know, I'm thankful for that, 473 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 1: you know, and it took a lot, and like I said, 474 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:08,439 Speaker 1: those words from my older brother really resonated with me, 475 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:11,359 Speaker 1: and stay with you to make that decision, because I 476 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 1: really didn't want to make it. I was terrified. I 477 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,199 Speaker 1: didn't know what I was getting myself into. But like 478 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:18,360 Speaker 1: I said, I'm very glad that I made that that movie, Marcus. 479 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 1: The older brother that you're talking about is that Michael. Nope, 480 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 1: my oldest brother, Michael is the next younger. He's the 481 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: second youngest compared to me. The brother I'm talking about 482 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 1: is jeff His name is Jeffrey Westbrook. My oldest brother 483 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,359 Speaker 1: is Todd Westbrook. And the next older is Michael Smart 484 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 1: and then it's me the youngest him and the age 485 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 1: difference between me and Michael are nine years. So we 486 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:43,399 Speaker 1: were all kind of scattered around the charts when it 487 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 1: comes to that, because that was my next question. While 488 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 1: all of this is going on, Michael was having his 489 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:51,639 Speaker 1: own struggles right definitely, you know, and he was taking 490 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: tides you know, death, very hard, just as hard as 491 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 1: I was. And you know he was he was caught 492 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 1: up into life early where we stayed. You know, he 493 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 1: was in the games, he was out in the streets, 494 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 1: passed curfews. He was doing this, He was doing all 495 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:10,120 Speaker 1: kind of stuff, you know, he was. I've seen him 496 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 1: deal drugs to my some of my friends in high school, 497 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:14,919 Speaker 1: and I'm just like, like, what do I say? Like 498 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:17,159 Speaker 1: what do you say like to this, Like I like, 499 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 1: I gotta go to school with this kid, Like, but 500 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:20,919 Speaker 1: this is my brother, Like what do you say? You know? 501 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 1: I was, I was. I was constantly being stuck in 502 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 1: what did you say or did you not say? I 503 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 1: just I stayed away from it, you know, And that's 504 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 1: the one thing I can you know, although he was 505 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,919 Speaker 1: going through his mess, one thing he made clear is 506 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 1: that everybody stayed away from me. You know, don't don't 507 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:37,160 Speaker 1: He's not involved, he's not in the game, he's not 508 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,920 Speaker 1: affiliated with none of y'all. He's not doing drugs. Don't 509 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,159 Speaker 1: come his way, like, stay away from him. So it was, 510 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 1: you know, that aspect was cool. So it was I 511 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 1: was cool with those guys and they knew not to 512 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 1: mess with me. But at the same time, like if 513 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 1: anything was to go wrong, I knew that if my 514 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 1: brothers went around, I knew I still had people around 515 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:57,879 Speaker 1: it I could I could go to if I needed to. 516 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 1: So it was. It was weird. It was you know, 517 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 1: having that he he was dealing with his own little things, 518 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 1: and you know, to to have him, you know, come 519 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 1: up on the other side was a miracle for us. 520 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: I remember literally about four days after we bury tired. 521 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,120 Speaker 1: I never forget it. I walked in my Michael's room 522 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 1: and I opened his drawer and I see a plate 523 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 1: a razor in this crystallized white rock and I'm like, 524 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 1: what the I think it's at the kid Kim like 525 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 1: it's just some sugar, Like why you got sugar on 526 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: the plate? Like what is he doing that? He didn't 527 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 1: taste it me too, and I was like, no, that's 528 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,879 Speaker 1: not sugar. It had no smell. Like, I was like, 529 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 1: don't I set it down? Day seven, we get a 530 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 1: call that my brother's in the hospital. Um, like, what's wrong? 531 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 1: He o d And remember my uncle who was paralyzed 532 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,400 Speaker 1: at the time. He was laying in his bed and 533 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:49,920 Speaker 1: my brother was standing in the doorway talking to him, 534 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:53,359 Speaker 1: and he just collapsed. And my uncle crawled out of 535 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 1: his bed. Remember, because he's paralyzed from the waist down, 536 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 1: crawled out of his bed, picked him up. He had 537 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:00,159 Speaker 1: hit his eye on the fan when he fainted, he 538 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 1: felt so hard that it just left a big black 539 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 1: eye and picked him up calling on on one that 540 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 1: came pumped his stomach and the doctor told him, he 541 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 1: said listen. After he got down he woke up, he said, listen, 542 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 1: my job is to say live. If you're gonna do 543 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,159 Speaker 1: this to yourself, don't come back to this hospital. They 544 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 1: said he had enough cocaine in his system to probably 545 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: kill the baby horse. At that time, I'm my god, 546 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,639 Speaker 1: which was, like I said, a miracle. Like we couldn't 547 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 1: even like we were like, yo, like what's going on. 548 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 1: That's when we figured out, you know, he had he 549 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:30,879 Speaker 1: was really taking it hard, and like I said, for 550 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 1: him to come out on the other side ofday, it 551 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,160 Speaker 1: was a miracle for us. You know, he's doing great. 552 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,439 Speaker 1: And I think you know it sounds like both of 553 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,439 Speaker 1: your brothers, who you've talked about to this point of 554 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:43,159 Speaker 1: some pretty difficult stories, they impacted you in different ways 555 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 1: and got you to where you are today in a way. 556 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 1: And I know you've mentioned her many times already, and 557 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 1: every time someone google's Marcus Smart, your mom's name is 558 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 1: going to be attached to it in the result. Because 559 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 1: you have so many stories about how she impacted you, 560 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,920 Speaker 1: just your your family altogether and your mom leading the way. 561 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 1: Talk about your mom. I do want to hear you 562 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:10,960 Speaker 1: talk about your mother, Camelia and in her impact on 563 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 1: turning you into who you are today. Oh man, she was. 564 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 1: She's my best friend. I think for for her having 565 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,439 Speaker 1: all boys he was, it was perfect for her because 566 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,879 Speaker 1: she was more of the tomboys type of mom where 567 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,440 Speaker 1: you know, she played basketball. You know, her mom played basketball, 568 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,159 Speaker 1: her mom played softball. Like she had a lot of 569 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 1: brothers who were just kept around and you know, um, 570 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 1: so for me having her, she's my best friend. She 571 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 1: always told us if you can't talk to me about it, 572 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:41,880 Speaker 1: you shouldn't be doing it. So you know, it didn't 573 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: matter what it was, no matter what trouble we was in, 574 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,679 Speaker 1: we could always go to her and you know, just 575 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:48,919 Speaker 1: talk to her. You know, I had numerous talks about 576 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 1: you know, the fights and I don't feel like this, 577 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 1: and and you know she's just constantly giving me that 578 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:57,680 Speaker 1: advice to move on. And when I'm down and don't 579 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,119 Speaker 1: know what to do, she was constantly here. But and 580 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:04,200 Speaker 1: I think it showed, you know, everybody that knew her 581 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 1: loved her. Everybody that didn't know her loved her because 582 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 1: of just who she was. You know, she she she 583 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 1: was so selfless. She would give her right arm for anybody. 584 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,679 Speaker 1: It was times where she didn't eat because she was 585 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 1: making sure we were okay. I just remember that I 586 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 1: was seven at the time, and I was in my 587 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 1: dad's pickup truck. He's driving, I'm in the middle, She's 588 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 1: on the right, and she was, you know, just kind 589 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 1: of down a little bit. And I kind of feel 590 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,640 Speaker 1: it was right before Todd's incident and before he passed, 591 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:34,399 Speaker 1: and you know, you kind of tell it was kind 592 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:35,639 Speaker 1: of getting to her, and I just, you know, I 593 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 1: tapped him like Christmas was coming around as well. I'm like, Mom, 594 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,119 Speaker 1: what's wrong, Like, you know, She's like nothing, It's okay. 595 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:44,159 Speaker 1: I think at the time it was we didn't have 596 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,879 Speaker 1: anything to give me for Christmas. Like guess wise, you know. 597 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 1: I just told her. I was like, I'm good, I 598 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,200 Speaker 1: don't She asked me, what do you want for Christmas? 599 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 1: Like I don't want nothing, you know, I just want 600 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 1: to be with my family, Like I just want to 601 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:57,360 Speaker 1: be able to spend Christmas with my family and brothers life. 602 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,399 Speaker 1: And I remember telling I said, and I chatter on 603 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,120 Speaker 1: the back of the neighborhood, and I said, don't worry. 604 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 1: When I make it to the NBA, you would never 605 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 1: have to work again, and I'll make sure that. And 606 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,639 Speaker 1: she just busted out crying. And how old were you 607 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,239 Speaker 1: when that happened. I was seven? You were seven? I 608 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 1: was seven years old. I said, if God my exact word, 609 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 1: if God blessed me to to make it to them, 610 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 1: being live my dream, you would never have to worry 611 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 1: about anything in your life again. And she didn't. She 612 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,119 Speaker 1: didn't at all, you know, and she cried, and you know, 613 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,159 Speaker 1: at the time, she was like, yeah, all right, you 614 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 1: know I think I said that to my mom and 615 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 1: she was like, that's not happening. So, you know, it's 616 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 1: a seven year old, you know, you hear that as 617 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,960 Speaker 1: a pairy Look, Okay, it's cute, Okay, you don't really 618 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 1: believe it. And then, like I said, the Christmas thing 619 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 1: came around, and I remember, you know, Christmas came and 620 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,680 Speaker 1: I didn't get any gifts that I knew I wasn't getting. 621 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,440 Speaker 1: But my brother tied, like I said, although he was sick, 622 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 1: he found a way. Her and him found a way 623 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 1: till they got me my first basketball goal, like at 624 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,640 Speaker 1: the house that I had to play on, and he 625 00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:59,919 Speaker 1: gave me a necklace with my initials. He got all 626 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,640 Speaker 1: of us and necklaces with our initially wrapped them up 627 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,639 Speaker 1: in newspapers. Everybody's like, what is this, and you know 628 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,359 Speaker 1: it's the jewelry box. So after the New Year's he 629 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,719 Speaker 1: ended up passing away. So I got to have my wishes, 630 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:14,400 Speaker 1: spending one last Christmas with my brother and family. But 631 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 1: my mom, she's all rock. You know, we're all mama's boys. 632 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 1: You know, no offense to our dad. We love them 633 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 1: to death. But it's just a different vibe we have 634 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 1: with our mom. And I think he knew that, and 635 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:28,640 Speaker 1: everybody everybody knew us knew that, like you know it 636 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 1: no matter what, like this is our mom, Like you 637 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,399 Speaker 1: don't don't don't try it, don't don't try anything. You 638 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,399 Speaker 1: don't try to get over on her, like we're not 639 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 1: having it in And she showed that, she showed up 640 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 1: love and she let it be known. I love my 641 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 1: boys and you know, but she also she was firm. 642 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 1: She didn't you know, having all boys, you kind of 643 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 1: have to be. I heard she was tough on you guys. 644 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:50,480 Speaker 1: She was. She was the toughest of us. All Like, 645 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 1: it's funny because we're here like people like at the 646 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 1: age a you, we we always had coaches cussing everything 647 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 1: and it was fine. We were just like okay, and 648 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 1: everybody's like like like that scares It's like, hi, y'all 649 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 1: these I'm like, listen, you know my mom, that's normal life. 650 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 1: That's this is nothing. My mom like, it's ridiculous. All right, Well, 651 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 1: we've heard quite a bit about your upbringing. We're gonna 652 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 1: take a quick commercial break and talk about how that 653 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,239 Speaker 1: upbringing has turned you into who you are today and 654 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 1: the player that the Boston Celtics and all of this 655 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 1: fan base loves seeing take the court every single night. 656 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 1: We'll be right back. I know I've been waiting forever 657 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 1: to get back into TV Garden for a live Celtics game, 658 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 1: and I know you've been feeling the same way. 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All right, Well, Marcus, 668 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 1: you told us quite a bit about your upbringing and 669 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 1: and really how that impacted really when you were in 670 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 1: your years where you were being molded by everything that 671 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 1: was going on around you, and that turned you into 672 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 1: who you are today. But let's talk about who you 673 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 1: are today. To me, you're just wired differently, man like 674 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 1: you're you're like a different type of dude that's out 675 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 1: there on the court every night. And really for the 676 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 1: people who don't know you all too well, you're different 677 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 1: off the court as well. You've got a very tight 678 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: inner circle. You don't go on social media all too often. 679 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 1: You're off there or you're you're on there mostly to 680 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 1: promote your community um goings and what you're trying to 681 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 1: do for kids out there with your Young Game Changers Foundation. 682 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 1: Talk to me about why that is the case, Like, 683 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 1: why do you have such a tight inner circle and 684 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,479 Speaker 1: you don't want to go on social media and you 685 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 1: don't go out in party. That's just not really who 686 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:02,720 Speaker 1: you are in your bones. For me, it really just 687 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 1: goes stems back to you know, losing to two people 688 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 1: in my life that were very important, but just growing 689 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 1: up in general. You know, my mom always taught us, 690 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 1: you know, that it's better to give them to receive, 691 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 1: never stop your blessings, you know, by helping somebody else, 692 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 1: you know, you do it because it's the right thing 693 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 1: to do nothing in return. And so when my brother passed, 694 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 1: you know, I wanted to start you know, the Your 695 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 1: Game Changer Foundation to help find a care for cancer 696 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 1: mentor you know, the youth and the younger kids, especially 697 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 1: in the urban cities and things like that. And then 698 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,880 Speaker 1: of course following that, my mom comes down with the 699 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 1: cancer as well. So it really just I guess prompted 700 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 1: me to keep going even more and that I was 701 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,120 Speaker 1: on the right track of doing the right thing. And 702 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 1: what I what I feeled, I was put on this 703 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,240 Speaker 1: you know, this earth to do, you know, And I 704 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,480 Speaker 1: always told my mom and and people who know me, 705 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 1: you know, I tell him a lot like and why 706 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 1: are you why? Like why are you so happy? Like 707 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 1: off the court? Like you're different. I'm like listen, like, 708 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 1: why are you such a a good person? And I 709 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:03,960 Speaker 1: just told them, you know, from everything I've been through, 710 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 1: you know, and that I understand. You know, what parents, 711 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,760 Speaker 1: what families go through of losing a loved one at 712 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 1: an early age or older age, or just losing them 713 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:18,120 Speaker 1: in general. So my job, you know, is to to 714 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,320 Speaker 1: bring a smile. And like I told them, if I 715 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,720 Speaker 1: could bring a smile to just one person face, then 716 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 1: I did my job here. My mom always told me 717 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 1: there's always somebody going through something way worse than you are. 718 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 1: Never forget that, and usually you don't know that they're 719 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 1: going through that exactly. It's a lot that you don't 720 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 1: know people. So for me, it's not so quick to 721 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 1: judge a person just off of you know, what they're 722 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 1: going through or how they acted in this certain moment, 723 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,040 Speaker 1: because you don't know what prompted them to do that. 724 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:45,959 Speaker 1: You know, you don't know what they're going through at 725 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 1: that time. So, you know, being able to have this foundation, 726 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 1: being able to talk to kids, or having you know, 727 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 1: families and younger kids that you know are trying to 728 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 1: deal with certain problems that they have no clue, you know, 729 00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 1: for me, it was a little bit tougher because I 730 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,040 Speaker 1: didn't have somebody to to sit me down and be like, 731 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,280 Speaker 1: I've been through what you're going through. I understand it. 732 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 1: I know this is what's gonna happen. So I wanted 733 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,239 Speaker 1: to be that. I want to be that person and 734 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,000 Speaker 1: be that for everybody. And the social media thing, you know, 735 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 1: I never really big being on social media. Social media 736 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:17,960 Speaker 1: is a lot of trouble, you know. I love social 737 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 1: media for the stuff. You know, it's a lot of way. 738 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 1: It's a platform for you to use in different aspects. 739 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,080 Speaker 1: You know, a lot of people on social media, a 740 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 1: lot of people generate revenue from from social media, you know. 741 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 1: So you know, social media is great, you know, and 742 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,160 Speaker 1: I think it is great, but it's not for everybody, 743 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 1: and it's not for me, you know, I'm not really 744 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:41,200 Speaker 1: Sometimes it can be really toxic. It can be where 745 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,880 Speaker 1: it is toxic. You know, too much of anything could 746 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 1: be toxic. So I'm not the one that like to 747 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 1: really be seen. I think it kind of shows it 748 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,160 Speaker 1: with the way I play. I'm more of a playmaker 749 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,880 Speaker 1: than anything. I love, you know, getting my teammates involved 750 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:54,880 Speaker 1: the social media never really click with me. I've never 751 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,280 Speaker 1: been in social media didn't get a Facebook until my 752 00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 1: senior year high school, and didn't get an Instagram into 753 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 1: midway my freshman year colleague. And that's because I was 754 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 1: forced to on both of those because my friends, like 755 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,720 Speaker 1: you have to get one. It's just it's just weird, 756 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:08,279 Speaker 1: you know. I just want to be, Like I said, 757 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 1: I just want to be that person that you know 758 00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 1: when kids look up you know, they could say that, 759 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,880 Speaker 1: you know, not basketball wise, but life wise, like you 760 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,279 Speaker 1: know I look up to him, you know, in that 761 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,319 Speaker 1: aspect that you know he understands me, like I can 762 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 1: actually sit down and talk to him and the kids 763 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:25,560 Speaker 1: that I I'm mentor and talk to you like we 764 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:27,279 Speaker 1: keep it real, you know, I tell him keep it 765 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,839 Speaker 1: as real as possible. You know, I don't talk to him, 766 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 1: you know, I don't sugarcoat anything with him. I keep 767 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,440 Speaker 1: it real whatever. Like there's nothing you can't ask me 768 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,880 Speaker 1: where it's off balance, it's it's out of bounce for us, 769 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 1: you know, you talk about it all and just people 770 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 1: I talk to in general. You know, I'm as you 771 00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,400 Speaker 1: can see, I'm an open book. Like you ask me 772 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,600 Speaker 1: about my life. I'm not gonna hide anything, you know, 773 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,720 Speaker 1: even with my why You're perfect for this podcast, man, Seriously, 774 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,000 Speaker 1: that's why we wanted to have you on here because 775 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 1: you have a great story and we want people to 776 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,120 Speaker 1: hear it. You say you don't you don't want to 777 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:56,960 Speaker 1: be flashy though, you don't want to put yourself out there. 778 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:03,960 Speaker 1: But you wear the robe topless with a lion on it, right, 779 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:08,120 Speaker 1: is it? Gucci? I'm sorry, I'm sorry you're putting something 780 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:12,960 Speaker 1: out there for the record. Uh. And then social media 781 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,400 Speaker 1: if you're not on it? How difficult is it though? Too? 782 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,640 Speaker 1: You guys talk about how it can be toxic. How 783 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,360 Speaker 1: difficult is it to block all of that out and 784 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,040 Speaker 1: all of the criticism? And I think especially in a 785 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,120 Speaker 1: season like this one, you know, the fans have a 786 00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,719 Speaker 1: lot to say and and a lot of it is 787 00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,680 Speaker 1: is pretty negative. Have you ever thought about getting a 788 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,319 Speaker 1: Burger account? But has there ever been a moment that 789 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,440 Speaker 1: you just like almost just wanted to respond to someone 790 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:41,000 Speaker 1: or say something. No, because if I respond or say something, 791 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,319 Speaker 1: I want you to know it's coming from me. I 792 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,560 Speaker 1: don't because I've actually have responded to some people privately 793 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,040 Speaker 1: before that was kind of, you know, being negative, and 794 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,320 Speaker 1: as we all know that negative that they were showing 795 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,840 Speaker 1: online when you actually hit them up, just like that 796 00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,360 Speaker 1: quick as possible. You know. I've I've had some guys 797 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,680 Speaker 1: talking crap about me and it was crazy and I 798 00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:04,880 Speaker 1: I d M them, and you know, I said, if 799 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:06,440 Speaker 1: you get listen, if you've got anything to say, I'm 800 00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:08,839 Speaker 1: right here. I'm not hiding from me. I'm not with 801 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,200 Speaker 1: the you know, I need everybody to hear my conversation. 802 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,719 Speaker 1: Even when I get into arguments, like if I have 803 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,120 Speaker 1: something to say, I'm not going to social media. I'm 804 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,120 Speaker 1: a d M you personally, that's between us. I don't 805 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,000 Speaker 1: need everybody in my business, you know. And that's just 806 00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:22,919 Speaker 1: kind of how I was raised, you know. But yeah, 807 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,439 Speaker 1: I never really did the Bernard counts. I don't really 808 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:26,880 Speaker 1: like him. Like, if I got something to say, or 809 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,319 Speaker 1: I feel like, if you're gonna say something, stand on it, 810 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,359 Speaker 1: show your face, show your name, stop hiding behind it. 811 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:34,600 Speaker 1: Go ahead and do it. Marcus. You take that same 812 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,600 Speaker 1: attitude into the locker room, right. I mean, we heard 813 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,959 Speaker 1: the story about the bubble and the altercation between um 814 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:45,000 Speaker 1: you and Jalen, and I'm just curious how I did 815 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,800 Speaker 1: not throw anything, by the way, did anyone throw anything 816 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,960 Speaker 1: wasn't me. I'm not saying anything. I don't know what 817 00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:52,960 Speaker 1: was thrown. I actually left, That's what I'm saying. I 818 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,799 Speaker 1: left and went to the restaurant even there. So, but 819 00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,440 Speaker 1: of course, you know, it's a reputation behind me. It's 820 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,279 Speaker 1: been a hothead. So it is what it is. You know, 821 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,040 Speaker 1: I'm perfectly fine with being that martyr for this team 822 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,320 Speaker 1: because we need it. And I'm perfectly fine being that. 823 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,080 Speaker 1: My teammates, like I said, they respect me. They understand 824 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:10,759 Speaker 1: that it's coming from a great place when I do 825 00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,160 Speaker 1: have those moments. But no, I did not throw anything 826 00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:18,640 Speaker 1: in the bubble. And yeah, how have those conversations evolved 827 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:22,799 Speaker 1: as you have taken on a larger leadership role? And 828 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:26,040 Speaker 1: how do you view yourself as being that guy in 829 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,800 Speaker 1: the locker room whose job it is to say something. 830 00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,360 Speaker 1: It's a thin line though, you know, because you're dealing 831 00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,799 Speaker 1: with different personalities. You know, we have a lot of 832 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:35,840 Speaker 1: pisces and areas on this team. You know, there's a 833 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:39,640 Speaker 1: lot of creatures. We're going to strategy here. Yeah, you know, 834 00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,360 Speaker 1: even in the past, like you know, it was a 835 00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,600 Speaker 1: lot of pisces you know, and areas in here. So 836 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,200 Speaker 1: there was a lot of emotions and it's just you know, 837 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,800 Speaker 1: you have to you know, you have to tread lightly. 838 00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,560 Speaker 1: But at the same time, you know you have to 839 00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,040 Speaker 1: be to the point where you know, you have to 840 00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:59,759 Speaker 1: be real with yourself and that's not that's everybody, you know, 841 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:01,839 Speaker 1: And in order for us to be where we want 842 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,120 Speaker 1: to be, like, we can't sugarcoat anything with us because 843 00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,640 Speaker 1: it's just only gonna, you know, cause more strife between 844 00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:10,680 Speaker 1: us or you know, cause more negativity throughout you know, 845 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,120 Speaker 1: the workplace. So you know, you just try to be 846 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,759 Speaker 1: as blunt as you can respectfully. And like I said, 847 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:17,200 Speaker 1: you know, you gotta be You gotta know who you're 848 00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,120 Speaker 1: talking to. You know, certain people you can talk to 849 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,840 Speaker 1: certain ways and still get your point across. You just 850 00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:23,920 Speaker 1: gotta keep it real. And I think that's what you know, 851 00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:26,279 Speaker 1: the team that we have, you know, we're able to 852 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:30,359 Speaker 1: sit down and you know, talk, just talk. You know, 853 00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:32,560 Speaker 1: no matter what, you know, if you don't like something 854 00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:34,919 Speaker 1: about this person, or you don't like something about what's 855 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:36,960 Speaker 1: going on, talk about it. Don't just let it build up. 856 00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:38,920 Speaker 1: And I think over the years we allowed it to 857 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,160 Speaker 1: build up a lot instead of just talking about it. 858 00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,600 Speaker 1: So me being that person that has come on out 859 00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:45,800 Speaker 1: and saying and kind of, you know, hit the elephant 860 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,399 Speaker 1: in the room right away. I think it allows other 861 00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:53,319 Speaker 1: guys whose personalities isn't probably prompted to just come out 862 00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,640 Speaker 1: and be that allows them to have a safe haveing like, 863 00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:57,680 Speaker 1: all right, what's out Like we can actually talk about 864 00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,319 Speaker 1: it like and not feel guilty or feel like, you know, 865 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,520 Speaker 1: they're stepping on to You said that you have a 866 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,279 Speaker 1: reputation as a hothead, but I don't. I don't think 867 00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,600 Speaker 1: that the reputation is that you're a hothead. I think 868 00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:11,400 Speaker 1: the reputation is just that you're incredibly emotional, and I 869 00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:15,040 Speaker 1: think that you have kind of told us the story 870 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,600 Speaker 1: of why you are so emotional, because all of these 871 00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:22,319 Speaker 1: things from your childhood fuel who you are today on 872 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,960 Speaker 1: and off the court. I do have a line about 873 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:28,360 Speaker 1: your emotional state though, that I was told by someone 874 00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:32,400 Speaker 1: close to you about there's a line between playing emotional 875 00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,040 Speaker 1: and playing emotionally drunk. I'm sure you know where that's 876 00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,960 Speaker 1: coming from. But how difficult, how difficult is that to 877 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,640 Speaker 1: tow that line in the middle of the game that 878 00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,040 Speaker 1: matters so much to you that you want to bring 879 00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,480 Speaker 1: wins to this franchise, But at the same time, you 880 00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,600 Speaker 1: want to bring out as much emotion as you can 881 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,680 Speaker 1: because that's what fuels what you do every night. Wait, 882 00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:54,840 Speaker 1: hold on, Mark, we're going behind the scenes. So who's 883 00:39:54,840 --> 00:40:01,280 Speaker 1: your anonymous source. Yeah, that's any of course, as Kenny 884 00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,520 Speaker 1: Kenny Borne. You know, he's always he's always said that 885 00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,920 Speaker 1: since my firstman year. And Kenny Kenny was Marcus High, 886 00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,319 Speaker 1: one of Marcus High school coaches, So just to share 887 00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,919 Speaker 1: that with everyone, he's he's a great guy. But yeah, 888 00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,239 Speaker 1: he's definitely been same and since my my freshman year. 889 00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:18,440 Speaker 1: It's to the point where, you know, I've been always 890 00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,719 Speaker 1: told and talked that and we kind of forget that. 891 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,759 Speaker 1: You know, not everybody thinks the same as you. Not 892 00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:28,040 Speaker 1: everybody feels the same as you. So you know, my 893 00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,600 Speaker 1: emotions the way I bring them out in the way 894 00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:32,799 Speaker 1: I played, somebody else might not play like that, So 895 00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:37,360 Speaker 1: they might live like curiously through me emotionally because they like, 896 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,080 Speaker 1: that's him, Like we need that from him, and I'm 897 00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,319 Speaker 1: gonna ride it off of him because that's him. So 898 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,440 Speaker 1: for me everything in my childhood Fielded, I just go 899 00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,000 Speaker 1: out there and like I said, I played every game 900 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,719 Speaker 1: like it's my last because it possibly could be. And 901 00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,839 Speaker 1: like I said, my brother's life was taken too soon 902 00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:55,479 Speaker 1: and he didn't get a chance to live his dream. 903 00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:57,920 Speaker 1: So but how hard is it to tell that line though? 904 00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,000 Speaker 1: Because there there have been moments both in college and 905 00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,200 Speaker 1: I'm sure in high school and in the pros where 906 00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,279 Speaker 1: you've gone over it and you probably admit it, but 907 00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:07,880 Speaker 1: it was just your emotions getting to hold of you. 908 00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:11,000 Speaker 1: How how tough is it to tow that line? Yeah, 909 00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:13,840 Speaker 1: so it's very tough. Everybody knows that I wear my 910 00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:16,360 Speaker 1: my heart on my sleep and it's I'm very passionate. 911 00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,120 Speaker 1: And it's tough because the simple fact, like I said, 912 00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,560 Speaker 1: not everybody feels the same way you feel. It's kind 913 00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,120 Speaker 1: of like people who drink when they're you know, intoxicating, 914 00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:27,360 Speaker 1: and you're not. It's like, oh my gosh, like what 915 00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:30,480 Speaker 1: is going on? Like oh my god, dude, Like I 916 00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:32,640 Speaker 1: can't believe, like I'm dealing with this right now. That's 917 00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:34,520 Speaker 1: kind of how it is. Like, that's how people feel 918 00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,640 Speaker 1: about me all the time. Market what are you trying 919 00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:39,600 Speaker 1: to say? That's how people feel about you when you're 920 00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,400 Speaker 1: out there and you're emotional, and that's why I feel 921 00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,040 Speaker 1: when I'm the one emotional and I don't feel that 922 00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:47,399 Speaker 1: from everybody else. It's like, I don't see how y'all 923 00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,640 Speaker 1: don't feel this passionate. I feel like I don't see 924 00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:51,520 Speaker 1: how y'all like y'all don't want to go out here 925 00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,279 Speaker 1: and give everything you have on the court. And once 926 00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,760 Speaker 1: again I have to stop myself from realize sometimes because 927 00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:01,000 Speaker 1: not everybody went through what you went through. Not not 928 00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,960 Speaker 1: everybody experienced the things that you experienced at a young 929 00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,799 Speaker 1: age early age and have to see and witness that 930 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,600 Speaker 1: gives you this feel. They get their fuel another way. 931 00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,720 Speaker 1: So that's what makes it hard because you've been talked 932 00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,719 Speaker 1: this way. You care so much that it's like when 933 00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:18,920 Speaker 1: you don't see people matching that it comes off so 934 00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:22,080 Speaker 1: they don't care and it comes off as the arrogant 935 00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:24,080 Speaker 1: type of feeling to you, and it's like, that's not 936 00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,040 Speaker 1: how I was, righted. I worked too hard. I work 937 00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,600 Speaker 1: just as hard as you, like I need everything you've got, 938 00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,359 Speaker 1: because you're gonna get everything I had. And that's where 939 00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:34,319 Speaker 1: the line comes because you expect people to feel how 940 00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,800 Speaker 1: you feel, but like I said, you can't because not everybody. 941 00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,440 Speaker 1: It's brought up the same way or experience the same 942 00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,640 Speaker 1: things that you've experienced. And one guy who I'm sure 943 00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,200 Speaker 1: you've talked to quite a bit throughout your career here 944 00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:49,000 Speaker 1: with the Celtics about that emotional state is Danny Ainge. 945 00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:52,359 Speaker 1: I know you guys are really tight. Why are you tight? 946 00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,520 Speaker 1: Talk about emotional though? By the way, Danny on the 947 00:42:55,520 --> 00:43:01,799 Speaker 1: said line, Danny, that is that is pure, Like give me, 948 00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,319 Speaker 1: give me a Danny camera during the games. I just 949 00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,600 Speaker 1: want to see that. Oh man, if we need that, 950 00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:12,799 Speaker 1: we need that. That the ratings with skyrocket, if I 951 00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,040 Speaker 1: think they would, I think they would. But I think 952 00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:18,600 Speaker 1: with Danny, because you guys are polar opposites from the outside. 953 00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,920 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, definitely, definitely. But I think for Danny, I 954 00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,360 Speaker 1: think when he looks at me, it reminds him of 955 00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,840 Speaker 1: himself in some ways where you know, Danny was a 956 00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,160 Speaker 1: little fiery on the court as well as we all 957 00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:32,880 Speaker 1: know so and still is, like dannyd go play golf 958 00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:35,040 Speaker 1: and if he loses, we really here about it the 959 00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:38,279 Speaker 1: next day, like he's like yeah, just the first like 960 00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:40,560 Speaker 1: he just goes in. And even on the court, you 961 00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:42,960 Speaker 1: know you hear Danny sometimes yelling at you and just 962 00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,319 Speaker 1: calling you out for your bs and you know you 963 00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,520 Speaker 1: have somebody like that that that that's willing, you know, 964 00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,600 Speaker 1: to do that. You know you respect him in a 965 00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,719 Speaker 1: whole different manner because it's not easy to be able 966 00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,799 Speaker 1: to call people out and you know and do that 967 00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,200 Speaker 1: because not only as you calling people out, you have 968 00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:01,719 Speaker 1: to be able to look yourself in the mirror and 969 00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:04,120 Speaker 1: be like all my ducks in order before I call 970 00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:07,759 Speaker 1: somebody else. So and even if they aren't, I still 971 00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:09,680 Speaker 1: have to be able to call these people out, knowing 972 00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,239 Speaker 1: that I might get called out back and accepting that 973 00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,600 Speaker 1: criticism that comes with that. And so with Danny, I think, 974 00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,640 Speaker 1: like that's what that's what me and Danny click, because 975 00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:22,480 Speaker 1: we're the Spider Man thing. You know, I know everybody's 976 00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:24,200 Speaker 1: been talking about that. I mean, the Spider Man mean, 977 00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:27,680 Speaker 1: you know in the mirror, that's me exactly, you know 978 00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:29,760 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So that's me and Danny. Like it's 979 00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,040 Speaker 1: like I'm to play for one on the team and 980 00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:35,759 Speaker 1: we're coming here and Danny's playful, Like Danny's always wants 981 00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:37,880 Speaker 1: to put his hands on you, he wants to grab 982 00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:39,680 Speaker 1: he wants to hug you, he wants to wrestle you, 983 00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:43,120 Speaker 1: and You're like, Danny, come on, dude, like, nothing up. 984 00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:45,360 Speaker 1: But when he comes to me, I'm all for So 985 00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:47,880 Speaker 1: I'm like, you met the masterday, Danny, Like we can 986 00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,640 Speaker 1: do this all day. So this out? Yeah, that's this 987 00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,000 Speaker 1: I think. I think that's where that comes in with 988 00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:54,680 Speaker 1: me and Danny. That reminds me of a quote I 989 00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:57,720 Speaker 1: read from you, Marcus that I thrive on contact. Contact 990 00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:01,440 Speaker 1: is in my nature. I think that's relationship. It describes 991 00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:03,600 Speaker 1: the way you play on the court. But how has 992 00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:08,520 Speaker 1: your relationship with Brad evolved? And he talks about it 993 00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:10,799 Speaker 1: now all the time, Just just how much trust there 994 00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:14,160 Speaker 1: is between the two of you. Yeah, you know, everybody's 995 00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,720 Speaker 1: seeing me and Brad had our own court differences. We've 996 00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:18,759 Speaker 1: we've had our spills on the court, We've had our 997 00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,319 Speaker 1: spills off the court, you know, but we always come 998 00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,719 Speaker 1: back the next day, you know, we sit down and 999 00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:27,880 Speaker 1: we accepted. I think what Brad is the trust that comes. 1000 00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:32,799 Speaker 1: I think I'm the extended version of Brad that we 1001 00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,480 Speaker 1: don't get to see. And that's the fiery side that 1002 00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:37,400 Speaker 1: we want. We don't get to see, right, But you 1003 00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:39,959 Speaker 1: don't get to see it exactly that you guys don't 1004 00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,000 Speaker 1: get to see that everybody collas through the thing in 1005 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,480 Speaker 1: the locker room in the bubble. No he didn't. I'm 1006 00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:48,239 Speaker 1: just kidding, But I think that's what it is. Like, 1007 00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:51,400 Speaker 1: I'm his alter ego that everybody wants to see is 1008 00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:54,160 Speaker 1: Brad get a little upset, and Brad is my alter 1009 00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,160 Speaker 1: ego of where everybody comes and wants to see me. 1010 00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:59,040 Speaker 1: Sometimes it's just cool and just relaxed, and that's Brad. 1011 00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:00,919 Speaker 1: So we kind of ont to see each other out. 1012 00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,360 Speaker 1: You know, he's a positive, I'm a negative. So we're like, 1013 00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:05,799 Speaker 1: we're right there, we go together. I think that's why 1014 00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,160 Speaker 1: we've been able to to kind of fit so well, 1015 00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:11,440 Speaker 1: because he understands and I understand like that my emotions 1016 00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,640 Speaker 1: come from a great place. It doesn't come from any malice. 1017 00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:16,520 Speaker 1: It comes from a place where you know, I care 1018 00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,359 Speaker 1: about my teammates, I care about my coaching staff, care 1019 00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:22,400 Speaker 1: about winning, and I care about this organization. And you know, 1020 00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,440 Speaker 1: I'm willing to sacrifice not you know, everything, my body, 1021 00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,680 Speaker 1: my money for those guys. And I think that right there, 1022 00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,760 Speaker 1: you know, allows that respect and that trust to continue 1023 00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,440 Speaker 1: to grow, and that right there is a perfect way 1024 00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:37,000 Speaker 1: for us to end this portion of the conversation. But Marcus, 1025 00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,759 Speaker 1: before we let you go, we're gonna dive into some 1026 00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:42,040 Speaker 1: rapid fire questions here. Abby and I are going to 1027 00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,239 Speaker 1: kind of go back and forth. We've got about five 1028 00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,600 Speaker 1: or ten here, so we just want quick answers on this. 1029 00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,400 Speaker 1: We're gonna start out. You're ready, ready, all right? Here 1030 00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,680 Speaker 1: they come the funniest teammate you've ever had, Jeff T. 1031 00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:56,160 Speaker 1: Jeff T. That is shocking to me. He's so quiet 1032 00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,600 Speaker 1: and exactly he's quiet, but when he gets around us, 1033 00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:02,680 Speaker 1: he's a different persons. So it's Romeo life. Those two 1034 00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:05,680 Speaker 1: Indiana guys, they're totally different when they're when they're comfortable. 1035 00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,239 Speaker 1: It's a different type of people persons that you see 1036 00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:11,160 Speaker 1: from those guys. They're they're always cracking joke. This one 1037 00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:15,440 Speaker 1: might offend make some people angry, saying, causet the strife 1038 00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:19,080 Speaker 1: in the locker room, who's the best dressed? Probably Tristan. 1039 00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:21,840 Speaker 1: I might have to go with Tristan. You got that 1040 00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:25,839 Speaker 1: l a swag exactly, you know, but it probably might 1041 00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:30,440 Speaker 1: have been a lot of people like Jalen thinks you're 1042 00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:33,800 Speaker 1: the best dress. Biggest impact on you as a teammate. 1043 00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:36,600 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to go with to Al Horford and 1044 00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:41,000 Speaker 1: Asa Thomas. Your favorite pizza, I would probably have to say, 1045 00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,280 Speaker 1: but you just made a face like you don't like pizza. 1046 00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:49,000 Speaker 1: I'm not a big pizza thing, all right, Okay, good 1047 00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:54,440 Speaker 1: you pineapple on a pizza? No, no answer, That's the 1048 00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:59,600 Speaker 1: only right answer. Favorite moment as a Celtic I want 1049 00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:03,520 Speaker 1: to say was in two thousand seventeen the playoffs where 1050 00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:06,520 Speaker 1: we went into Cleveland, and you know I had that 1051 00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:10,040 Speaker 1: stellar game against Kyrie and Lebron with the seven threes 1052 00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,320 Speaker 1: to to win in and break that there, the little 1053 00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:14,680 Speaker 1: streak that they had going of the wind. So I 1054 00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:18,160 Speaker 1: probably say that that game. What is your hidden talent? 1055 00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:20,880 Speaker 1: Non basketball related? We talked about how you can dunk. 1056 00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:24,440 Speaker 1: We know you got that. We've seen with your hidden talent. 1057 00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,560 Speaker 1: I love to dance. I could sing a little bit 1058 00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,759 Speaker 1: like I used to take quiet, so nobody really knows that. 1059 00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:32,359 Speaker 1: I also used to play the piano a little bit, 1060 00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:35,759 Speaker 1: not as much anymore. You and Walter McCarty must have 1061 00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:37,600 Speaker 1: had some nights together back when he was with the 1062 00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:43,279 Speaker 1: Celtics Tony we used to harmonize together. Favorite robe this 1063 00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:52,839 Speaker 1: one might favorite robe. Favorite robe? Oh man, I'm gonna 1064 00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:55,799 Speaker 1: go with the Royal Blue resci. My mom loved that one, 1065 00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:57,520 Speaker 1: and that was kind of like our favorite that we 1066 00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:00,040 Speaker 1: had together is that with the gold trim with a 1067 00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:04,040 Speaker 1: going term all right, term there gone. So your mom 1068 00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:06,319 Speaker 1: liked the Ropes. She was on board of the road game. 1069 00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:09,239 Speaker 1: She loved him. She just loved the way they looked. 1070 00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:12,120 Speaker 1: She loved that whole, that whole that they gave all 1071 00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,560 Speaker 1: the best bowler on the team because with your Young 1072 00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:17,920 Speaker 1: Game Changer Foundation, that is one of the big fundraisers 1073 00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:21,880 Speaker 1: that you do every year. Best bowler. Oh man, I 1074 00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:24,680 Speaker 1: don't know. And now Mookie Betts is gone from Boston, 1075 00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:28,319 Speaker 1: so I'm saying, so I can't. I can't. I can't say, Luke. 1076 00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:30,759 Speaker 1: But I don't know because I haven't really seen the 1077 00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:33,239 Speaker 1: New Guys Bowl. So I don't really know. Because you 1078 00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:36,160 Speaker 1: can't go bowling right now because we can't go bowling. 1079 00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:38,080 Speaker 1: I don't know about that one. I have to I 1080 00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:41,600 Speaker 1: have to reevaluate the competition. What's the best podcast in 1081 00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:45,080 Speaker 1: the world. It's from the Raptors behind the scenes with 1082 00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:47,960 Speaker 1: the Boston Celtics. No, Marcus Smart, that's a rat man. 1083 00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:51,239 Speaker 1: We appreciate you coming on. This has been a lot 1084 00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:54,239 Speaker 1: of fun to really get to know what you went 1085 00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,440 Speaker 1: through as a kid that turned you into the guy 1086 00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:58,640 Speaker 1: that we love seeing every night out on the court. 1087 00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:00,480 Speaker 1: This has been a lot of fun. Thank you. Guys 1088 00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:01,920 Speaker 1: appreciate it. Thank you Marcus