WEBVTT - Kids' Chemistry Sets: KABOOM!

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's Chuck.

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<v Speaker 2>Jerry's here too, floating around somewhere out there. And that

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<v Speaker 2>makes the stuff you should know.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>You thought of this one, and Dave helped us out

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<v Speaker 1>with the research on chemistry sets. I will go ahead

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<v Speaker 1>and to say that I never had a chemistry set,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know darn well that somebody in my family did,

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<v Speaker 1>was it Scott? Oh, of course he did. He was

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<v Speaker 1>voted most likely to have a chemistry set in preschool.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a Did he do anything magical with it?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I just remember him having it in it,

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<v Speaker 1>being around the house, and you know, he's just always

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<v Speaker 1>had a more scientifically minded brain than me and has

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<v Speaker 1>always been smarter than me from the drop. So he

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<v Speaker 1>was into chemistry sets, and I was into you know,

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<v Speaker 1>baseball cards.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I was into baseball cards too. I was gonna say,

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<v Speaker 2>don't feel bad because I didn't have a chemistry set either,

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<v Speaker 2>but I did have like an electrical set, like the

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<v Speaker 2>electrical version of a chemistry So, yeah, you do all

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<v Speaker 2>sorts of stuff, Yeah, yeah, And I distinctly remember just

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<v Speaker 2>hitting it with a hammer because I had no idea

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<v Speaker 2>what was going on with that thing.

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<v Speaker 3>You can't build a circuit.

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<v Speaker 2>No, you could put a gun to my head and

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<v Speaker 2>be like, build a circuit, and I'd just start hitting

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<v Speaker 2>it with a hammer. I think you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Who got good at that is a friend of the

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<v Speaker 1>show and Palavars in real.

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<v Speaker 3>Life, David Reese. Oh yeah, he.

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<v Speaker 1>Got into circuitry and like building and refurbishing old like

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<v Speaker 1>musical electronics and pedals and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 2>What an interesting dude. If you don't know who Dave

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<v Speaker 2>Reese is, yeah, go look up. What's the name of

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<v Speaker 2>this book about artisanal pencil sharpened?

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's how to sharpen pencils. See outside A

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<v Speaker 1>great TV show that I'm not sure if you can

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<v Speaker 1>find it, but you can try.

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<v Speaker 3>Called Going Deep with day Man.

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<v Speaker 2>It was so good.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, it's like how to shake someone's hand.

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<v Speaker 1>Stuff like that seems very intuitive, but not through David's

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<v Speaker 1>odd point of view.

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<v Speaker 2>He also was on Dick Town with Hodgmen.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, that's right, and he can build the heck out

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<v Speaker 1>of a circuit. I bet you had a chemistry set.

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<v Speaker 2>Too, very nice. I know that Dave Russ, who helps

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<v Speaker 2>us with this, said that he had one of those

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<v Speaker 2>electronic sets too. Dave's pretty sharp, so I'm presuming he

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<v Speaker 2>didn't hit it with the hammer.

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<v Speaker 1>But this is a pretty fun when we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about the history of chemistry sets, which, believe it

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<v Speaker 1>or not, go back to the eighteenth century when they

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<v Speaker 1>were called chemical chests. But this was pre let's make

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<v Speaker 1>this a toy for kids. It was like, Hey, if

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<v Speaker 1>you're a university student or a professional or amateur young chemist,

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<v Speaker 1>button chemist.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you like to wear capes?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly, you like a smock, get a chemistry set, right.

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<v Speaker 2>So the first one, actually they traced it back to

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<v Speaker 2>I named You're gonna make me say his name? Huh.

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<v Speaker 2>Watch this, yeah, Johann Friedrich August Goudding.

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<v Speaker 3>Nay, not bad, may mean not bad.

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<v Speaker 2>That was dead on the nose.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it was perfect.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I can hear our German listeners giving me

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<v Speaker 2>a standing ovation right now.

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<v Speaker 3>Ah vundebar.

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<v Speaker 2>He came up with a chemistry chest in I think

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<v Speaker 2>seventeen eighty nine, if I didn't say that already, and

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<v Speaker 2>it was called garay for this a portable chest of

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<v Speaker 2>chemistry or a complete collection of chemical tests for the

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<v Speaker 2>use of chemists, physicians, mineralogists, metallurgists, scientific artists, manufacturers, farmers

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<v Speaker 2>and cultivators of natural philosophy and party boys.

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<v Speaker 3>And again this thing wasn't a toy.

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<v Speaker 1>It had thirty five chemicals, had a very robust like balance,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like a balance for weighing things, had a

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<v Speaker 1>mortar and pestle.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course, it had a book.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is kind of as you'll see a key

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<v Speaker 1>with all chemistry sets is a come with a book

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<v Speaker 1>of experiments. Otherwise you're just going to be dangerous. You

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<v Speaker 1>might be anyway, But this one had about one.

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<v Speaker 3>Hundred and fifty experiments.

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<v Speaker 1>And interestingly it had this platinum foil included that they

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<v Speaker 1>would not include now because this stuff was very valuable.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe in today dollars would be worth about a

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<v Speaker 1>thousand bucks.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, if the price is right, that's right. The reason

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<v Speaker 2>they include platinum foil is platinum is a really valuable

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<v Speaker 2>and useful catalyst and a lot of chemical reactions. It

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't just to show.

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<v Speaker 3>Off, no, of course not so.

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<v Speaker 2>There were other early chemistry sets too. Like you said

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<v Speaker 2>they were for grown ups, they were for chemistry professionals,

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<v Speaker 2>and people used to train to be chemistry professionals and

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<v Speaker 2>go to college for it. Still do. But there was

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<v Speaker 2>a guy at the University of Pennsylvania's medical school all

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<v Speaker 2>the way back in seventeen ninety seven named James Woodhouse,

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<v Speaker 2>and he was a professor of chemistry, and he also

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<v Speaker 2>had a nice little sideline selling chemistry chests to his

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<v Speaker 2>students and being like, you really won't get an A

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<v Speaker 2>or even maybe past this class if you don't buy

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<v Speaker 2>my chemistry set.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, not bad.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like when the professor wrote the book that you're

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<v Speaker 1>exact textbook. One little just sort of fun fact that

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<v Speaker 1>Dave threw in here was this was pre test tube.

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<v Speaker 1>They didn't have test tubes yet. So in both of

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<v Speaker 1>these early eighteenth century chemistry chests they said to use wineglasses.

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<v Speaker 2>Very nice, very swanky.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So there was also even back then, well maybe not

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<v Speaker 2>back in the seventeen hundreds, but certainly very quickly after that. No,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to go ahead and say the seventeen hundreds

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<v Speaker 2>in everybody was like this is not just like interesting

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<v Speaker 2>and you can do stuff with it. This can be

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<v Speaker 2>kind of fun too, Like it's fun to take two

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<v Speaker 2>chemicals and suddenly make these two clear things turn blue.

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<v Speaker 2>Who doesn't love that kind of thing. And so there

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<v Speaker 2>was always a certain element of magic to chemistry, and

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<v Speaker 2>in particular chemistry sets, and eventually people started like selling

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<v Speaker 2>them as that, not just as that, but there was

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<v Speaker 2>a transition from just for chemical professionals chemists, to for

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<v Speaker 2>chemists but also for chemists who'd like to have a

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<v Speaker 2>good time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean there were and we talked about this before,

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<v Speaker 1>like scientific demonstrations in the you know, nineteenth century could

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<v Speaker 1>be everything from just like straight up science to a

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<v Speaker 1>little little magic, a little showmanship, involved a little flare.

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<v Speaker 1>People like Faraday were doing stuff like this in public.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a chemist named Frederick Acam I guess Accum

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<v Speaker 1>who would do these big public demonstrations that were, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of part magic show, part science, and you could

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<v Speaker 1>even buy one of his sets. He had a chemistry set.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think they were called chess at this point,

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<v Speaker 1>called alums still called the chests. Oh yeah, there it

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<v Speaker 1>is in the title Acom's Chest of Chemical Amusement again,

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<v Speaker 1>which you know lends itself to amusement. I think that

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<v Speaker 1>was the booklet was called Chemical amusement colon a series

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<v Speaker 1>of curious and instructive experiments in chemistry which are easily

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<v Speaker 1>performed and unattended by danger.

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<v Speaker 2>That's important right there. Yeah, because one of the things

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of got all over chemistry sets over the

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<v Speaker 2>years was safety. And this was even like back in

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<v Speaker 2>the early nineteenth century that they were like, these can

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<v Speaker 2>be dangerous. So yeah, that was a big, a big

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<v Speaker 2>thing that he included that in the title of the

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<v Speaker 2>booklet that came with it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure, and all of this, you know, talk

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<v Speaker 1>of sort of magic and fun is a is a

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<v Speaker 1>long way to get to the fact that by the

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<v Speaker 1>sort of early ish eighteen hundreds and like eighteen thirty five,

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<v Speaker 1>they started saying, hey, these like we should sell these

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<v Speaker 1>to kids.

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<v Speaker 3>These are fun.

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<v Speaker 2>You know who's trustworthy kids?

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>There was one called the Eedies Youth Laboratory from eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>thirty five. A few years later was Statham's Students Chemical Laboratory,

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<v Speaker 1>and then by eighteen fifty six they had one called

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<v Speaker 1>Pike's Youth Chemical Cabinet.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, chemical cabinet sounds amazing, it does. And then by

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<v Speaker 2>the time the twentieth century rolled around, so they were

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<v Speaker 2>making these things here or there for centuries by now

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<v Speaker 2>finally they were like, Okay, our market is young people

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<v Speaker 2>who are enthusiastic about chemistry, but also again wear capes

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<v Speaker 2>because they like magic. And one of the good examples

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<v Speaker 2>that Dave turned up about this was came out in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen hundred. It was Kingsley's Primus Chemical Magic and Practical

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<v Speaker 2>Chemistry Cabinet, and it had everything you needed to carry

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<v Speaker 2>out like these serious chemistry experiments. And it came with

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<v Speaker 2>a booklet too that had plenty of instructions, but it

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<v Speaker 2>also had a lot of stuff to set things on

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<v Speaker 2>fire and instructions on how to essentially make fireworks and

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<v Speaker 2>things like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I would love to see a Venn diagram of

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<v Speaker 1>gen X kids who had chemistry sets.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, who could.

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<v Speaker 1>Pull a rabbit out of a hat or a card

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<v Speaker 1>out of somebody's ear and like knew how to do

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<v Speaker 1>the Rubik's cube and draw a flip book.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the trifecta.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that was my brother in a nutshell.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure it's like oh Ruber's cube, Sure you.

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<v Speaker 3>Want to see how to solve it.

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<v Speaker 2>But he wouldn't even say watch this. He'd be like, here,

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<v Speaker 2>let me help you.

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<v Speaker 3>Right exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>I also, just as a little side note, I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>why did they call that a primus chemistry cabinet? So

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<v Speaker 2>it turns out primus, one of the definitions of it

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<v Speaker 2>is a small stove that burns paraffin, so presumably that

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<v Speaker 2>was included in the kid as like a Bunsen burner.

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<v Speaker 2>And it went a little deeper. I was like, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>why is the band Imus called Primus? And it turns

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<v Speaker 2>out they were originally called the Primates. There was another

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<v Speaker 2>band called the Primates that said we will sue the

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<v Speaker 2>pants off of you if you call yourself the Primates.

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<v Speaker 2>So less Claypool and friends looked up primate definitions and

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<v Speaker 2>words and found out that Primus is the root word

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<v Speaker 2>for Primates, so they went with Primus instead.

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<v Speaker 1>Look at that one of my most hated bands of

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<v Speaker 1>all time. Really yeah, I hate Primus, And you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm gonna hear from Primis fans.

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<v Speaker 3>You are not yuck and you'r yum.

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<v Speaker 1>I love for you to love what you love, but

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<v Speaker 1>I've got to be able to hate Primis as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure they can't yung. You're yuck. Yeah, like everybody, It's

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<v Speaker 2>not like you're telling them not to listen, or that

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<v Speaker 2>they suck for listening.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I'm sure they're great for certain years. It's just

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<v Speaker 3>that's not mine.

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<v Speaker 2>They have some good songs, though Chuck Jerry was a

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<v Speaker 2>race car driver. You honestly don't like that song, no, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>all right.

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<v Speaker 1>They also sound the same to me. They all sound

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<v Speaker 1>like his bass just all sounds.

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<v Speaker 2>Like that was really good impression actually, and.

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<v Speaker 3>All the singing and just Downrue too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you don't like Primis.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't like it. Checks out. One of my very

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<v Speaker 3>best friends loves Primus, and so you know we cannot we.

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<v Speaker 1>Can all co exist, You're like, so I can say that, Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of my friends are Primis fans. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>let's take a break and we'll enter the twenty twenties,

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<v Speaker 1>twentieth century right after this.

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<v Speaker 4>Sure loss a much stuff from Josh and shuck stuff fui.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So I think, like I said, in the early

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<v Speaker 2>twenty century, they were like, yep, young boys who are

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<v Speaker 2>interested in chemistry, And let's go back and emphasize this boys.

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<v Speaker 2>That's who we're going to market these things too. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>this is who chemistry sets belonged to. Like little Boy

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<v Speaker 2>scientists who have an interest in chemistry, and the thing

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<v Speaker 2>that went basically throughout the twentieth century, at least up

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<v Speaker 2>until like the sixties. If you bought a chemistry set

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<v Speaker 2>for your kid, like that was the first step toward

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<v Speaker 2>being a professional chemist as they grew up.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you were guaranteed to have a little boy

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<v Speaker 1>on the front box.

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<v Speaker 2>One hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 3>That's just the way it was back then.

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<v Speaker 1>And we'll get to more of that sort of weird

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<v Speaker 1>sexism and science that still continues today in a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>But one of the big players, there were a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of big ones. The first one was the Kim Craft Company.

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<v Speaker 1>Kimkraft Chemistry Set in nineteen sixteen was the first really

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<v Speaker 1>sort of popular toy chemistry set produced by the Porter

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<v Speaker 1>Chemical Company out of Merryland, and it was about a

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<v Speaker 1>buck fifty to maybe ten bucks if you were pretty

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<v Speaker 1>well healed, because that's it's about forty to three hundred

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<v Speaker 1>bucks today, so some pretty decent money you'd have to

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<v Speaker 1>throw down on the high end chemistry set back then.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, these had test tubes.

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<v Speaker 1>By this point, you had an alcohol lamp, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>you had your weights and balances, and you had lots

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<v Speaker 1>of chemicals.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is like a serious chemistry set. It had

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<v Speaker 2>like all this stuff you needed, and it was substantial

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<v Speaker 2>in form right. The manual also was like we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to do some serious stuff. One of the first experiments

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<v Speaker 2>from this manual came from nineteen nineteen. That edition is

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<v Speaker 2>called Combination of Elements, and basically, you put powdered zinc

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<v Speaker 2>and sulfur on a metal spoon and start heating it.

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<v Speaker 2>Be sure to quote keep your face at a little distance.

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<v Speaker 2>And then as the mass becomes hot, the sulfur takes

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<v Speaker 2>fire and burns, and then the mixture starts to swell

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<v Speaker 2>to a bulky porous mass while on fire, and then

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<v Speaker 2>suddenly there's a flash and sulfur and zinc unite, chemically

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<v Speaker 2>forming zinc sulfide, and hopefully you have your eyebrows left afterwards.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's funny, Like the literal quote was keeping your

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<v Speaker 1>face at a little distance, and the first three times

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<v Speaker 1>I read that, I read it as keeping your little

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<v Speaker 1>face at a distance.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I wish they'd said that that's adorable.

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<v Speaker 3>It was.

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<v Speaker 1>It should have been keep your little face at a

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<v Speaker 1>great distance, because that was dangerous. There was also something

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<v Speaker 1>called fire ink, which is exactly what you think is

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<v Speaker 1>you would combine, or you may not know what you combined,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know what the result probably is. You combine

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<v Speaker 1>potassium nitrate and water in a test tube and then

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<v Speaker 1>write on a piece of paper and light that on fire,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know what you have spelled out is now

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<v Speaker 1>on fire.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so the potassium nitrate water is the ink, the

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<v Speaker 2>fire ink, as it were, which sounds pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 3>Man.

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<v Speaker 2>Imagine being like, hello, how are you suddenly on fire

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<v Speaker 2>on a piece of paper. Your friend's kind of think

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<v Speaker 2>you're pretty I literally wrote neat with an exclamation point

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<v Speaker 2>after that one.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but you would also probably be more likely to

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<v Speaker 1>write butthole or something like that.

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<v Speaker 3>Then, hey, how are you?

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<v Speaker 2>That's true? You know that's totally true. Also, I want

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<v Speaker 2>to take back the word literally. I'm really trying hard

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<v Speaker 2>to abandon that. Even when it's properly used. It's just

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<v Speaker 2>so so wrong these days.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, good for you, I think, literally, good for you.

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<v Speaker 2>So what else?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, that was another experiment. This is so fun. It's

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<v Speaker 3>called making a fuse.

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<v Speaker 1>That basically all you need to know is like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you can you can probably make things that'll blow up.

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<v Speaker 3>So you're gonna need a fuse.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and that went really well with the manufacture of

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<v Speaker 2>colored fire, which was homemade fireworks. It was genuinely and

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<v Speaker 2>sincerely a flash in a pan because you would put

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<v Speaker 2>these different metals in and make for you make gunpowder.

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<v Speaker 2>The little kid would make gunpowder and then depending on

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<v Speaker 2>the chemical or metal that they added, it would burn

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<v Speaker 2>a different color in a pan as a flash. Genuinely.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, if you found another some cool research on like

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<v Speaker 1>just how dangerous some of these chemicals.

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<v Speaker 2>Were, right, Oh yeah, let's talk about those.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. What else? What else was in there?

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<v Speaker 2>In some of these sets that came out in the

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<v Speaker 2>twentieth century, there was iodine solution, which sounds kind of innocuous,

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<v Speaker 2>but they figured out over time that you could use

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<v Speaker 2>that to make meth with Okay, you could also if

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<v Speaker 2>you ate two grams of it or more, you would

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<v Speaker 2>probably die. I think ammonium nitrate was in that, which

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<v Speaker 2>is frequently used to make bombs.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>What else, Well, one thing you could do that was

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<v Speaker 1>fun is you could make smoke bombs right with that

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<v Speaker 1>potassium nitrate, which is I don't know if you mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>it's also in gunpowder. True, So a lot of these

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<v Speaker 1>experiments were like watch it flame, spark, or boom in

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<v Speaker 1>a small way.

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<v Speaker 2>Another one used to show up with sodium cyanide, which

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<v Speaker 2>is more commonly referred to as cyanide, and you would

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<v Speaker 2>bind two metals like make essentially dissolved gold into water,

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<v Speaker 2>metals into water. It's pretty neat, that's what it's used for.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's also a rapidly acting toxin that can kill

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<v Speaker 2>you dead pretty easily. And this was one of those

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<v Speaker 2>chemicals in the glass vials that arrived in the chemistry

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<v Speaker 2>sets for kids back then.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and speaking of glass, or even some chemistry sets

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<v Speaker 1>that had the material and instruction for blowing glass, which

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<v Speaker 1>is no doubt a super cool, awesome thing to learn,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's you know, it's not something it should be

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<v Speaker 1>drying in their bedroom.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I mean, it has to get really hot to

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<v Speaker 2>melt glass enough to blow it. One of my favorites

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<v Speaker 2>is calcium hypochlorite, which is one of the main ingredients

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<v Speaker 2>for chlorine gas, which was I think the first chemical

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<v Speaker 2>weapon to ever be banned by the world. So you

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<v Speaker 2>could make a chemical weapon in your bedroom if you

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<v Speaker 2>knew what you were doing.

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<v Speaker 1>And as we're saying, all this, we should point out

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<v Speaker 1>that these early kits and sets did not offer things

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<v Speaker 1>like eye protection, like not even a little pair of

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<v Speaker 1>like fun goggles, you know, like, hey kid, these are

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<v Speaker 1>cute and fun. You look like a real scientist if

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<v Speaker 1>you wear these, like just didn't come with them. And

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<v Speaker 1>the whole thing with you know that we tied it

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<v Speaker 1>into earlier with magic. A lot of them have like

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<v Speaker 1>hares or like you know, your science experiments you can do.

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<v Speaker 1>But also here's some just really fun, like sort of

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<v Speaker 1>literal magic tricks you can do.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. There was one that's called the magic handkerchief. And

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<v Speaker 2>you take a handkerchief and you put I think blue

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<v Speaker 2>cobalt on it, and as you dry it out, I

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<v Speaker 2>think it turns white. You're no blue, and you can

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<v Speaker 2>change it to white magically by it instructs you to

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<v Speaker 2>ball it up and rub it in your hands for

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<v Speaker 2>a few minutes. Any magic trick that takes a few

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<v Speaker 2>minutes of repetitive motion is not a magic trick worth doing.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's what was great is it said, now here's

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<v Speaker 2>where you have some fun, and then it went on

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<v Speaker 2>to the next instruction. So these these were really mid

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<v Speaker 2>century written instruction booklets. That really captured the time. If

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<v Speaker 2>you think.

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<v Speaker 3>About it, Shall we take a break?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my, you bet?

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<v Speaker 1>All right?

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<v Speaker 3>That was very insure, but we're doing it anyway. We'll

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<v Speaker 3>be right back.

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<v Speaker 4>We loss so much stuff from Josh and shuck stuff fui.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, So you're getting these chemistry sets. Another big

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<v Speaker 1>part of the whole sort of branding thing for these

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<v Speaker 1>companies making these and this was just sort of big

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<v Speaker 1>back in those days in the nineteen fifties was.

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<v Speaker 3>Like clubs, like kids clubs.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you got a chemistry set, it was a

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<v Speaker 1>pretty good chance it would come with like a membership

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<v Speaker 1>in like a science club, and there could be local

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<v Speaker 1>chapters that you get together with your friends and things

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<v Speaker 1>you could mail in for Probably a magazine is involved,

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<v Speaker 1>like a quarterly magazine. Certainly in the case of kim

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<v Speaker 1>Kraft they had the Science Club and the Kimcraft Chemists.

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<v Speaker 1>Was there was there rag that they sent out, which

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<v Speaker 1>was usually just ads for more stuff to buy, but

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<v Speaker 1>there are they were like kind of fun little stories

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<v Speaker 1>like where a kid would like save the day through

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<v Speaker 1>some cool chemistry experiment. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>They seem very Mark Trail esque, Yeah, for sure. So

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<v Speaker 2>in addition to Gilbert was essentially Kimcraft's rival, and Gilbert

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<v Speaker 2>was the company of Alfred Carlton Gilbert, who had invented

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<v Speaker 2>the original Erector Set thirteen that originally was debuted as

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<v Speaker 2>like an engineer's chemistry set. That's what directors were sold

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<v Speaker 2>as is. But so Gilbert was like, well, let's get

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<v Speaker 2>into chemistry too, So they came up with a Gilbert

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<v Speaker 2>Chemistry outfit for boys. So the name of the product

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<v Speaker 2>literally specifies that it's just for boys.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And it had a little astisk and at the

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<v Speaker 1>very bottom it said must have penis.

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<v Speaker 2>On the label too, Like the picture on the box

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<v Speaker 2>had a little boy with his shirt sleeves rolled up,

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<v Speaker 2>wearing a tie doing his chemistry stuff, like an eight

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<v Speaker 2>year old wearing a tie.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this is nineteen twenty. Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So they found an instruction manual, not from the nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>twenty edition but from nineteen thirty six, and this one

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<v Speaker 1>finally did have a warning here and we should read

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<v Speaker 1>this because this is pretty fun. Gilbert Chemistry sets are

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<v Speaker 1>not intended for children who cannot read and understand the

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<v Speaker 1>accompanying instruction books. The sets do not contain dangerous poisons,

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<v Speaker 1>and the chemicals mentioned in this manual are not embraced

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<v Speaker 1>under the term poisons. They're perfectly safe to use if

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<v Speaker 1>handled carefully and intelligently. They're not intended to be taken

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<v Speaker 1>by mouth or swallowed, and no intelligent person would be

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<v Speaker 1>expected to use them for such purposes. So they're shaming.

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<v Speaker 1>At the same time. It is necessary, however, to emphasize

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that carelessness on the part of the experimenter

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<v Speaker 1>can always lead to trouble.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and if you ever signed up for Disney Plus,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't sue us if you blow up and burn

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<v Speaker 2>your house.

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<v Speaker 3>Down, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>And then they have a few tips at the end,

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<v Speaker 1>like you know, never point the open end of a

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<v Speaker 1>test tube that you're heating at anybody. Never just put

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<v Speaker 1>your nose at the end of one while heating to

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<v Speaker 1>smell it, or put your face with your little face

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<v Speaker 1>near it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, exactly. So at least Gilbert's this is the thirties,

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<v Speaker 2>mid thirties where Gilbert's like, okay, we need to let

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<v Speaker 2>kids know, like you need to be responsible with this.

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<v Speaker 2>And that was actually I read one of the expectations

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<v Speaker 2>of chemistry sets in the middle of the twentieth century

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<v Speaker 2>that it went to a home populated by a boy

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<v Speaker 2>who had parents that taught that kid responsible stuff, how

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<v Speaker 2>to be responsible, how to handle chemicals correctly, how to

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<v Speaker 2>be safe, how to be smart. That that was kind

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<v Speaker 2>of part and parcel with buying a chemistry set. You

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<v Speaker 2>a parent, didn't just hand it to your kid and say, like,

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<v Speaker 2>leave me alone for a while, like you were supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to be involved, at least initially.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, at least looking over his shoulder with your least

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<v Speaker 1>pipe in your.

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<v Speaker 2>Mouth and knocking on the door and being like still

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<v Speaker 2>alive in there.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, mom, want you to always knock.

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<v Speaker 1>So we talked a little bit about the sort of

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<v Speaker 1>sexism involved with all this stuff. Is only marketed to boys.

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<v Speaker 1>Pictures of boys literally on the package for boys. In

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<v Speaker 1>some cases that was just the deal, was like boys

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<v Speaker 1>were scientists. Girls were not considered for science. That is

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<v Speaker 1>still a problem. There are so many initiatives these days

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<v Speaker 1>to get young girls into at a young age, very successfully,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, in a lot of cases, but it's still

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<v Speaker 1>a challenge to be a woman in the world of science.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we've heard from plenty of listeners who have

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<v Speaker 1>verified that. But in the nineteen twenties they did the

0:24:15.320 --> 0:24:19.119
<v Speaker 1>Porter Chypical Chemical Company did say, hey, we're some of

0:24:19.119 --> 0:24:20.879
<v Speaker 1>these things to boys. What about the girls, And they

0:24:20.880 --> 0:24:25.600
<v Speaker 1>were like, oh, how about Sashet craft the girl's sachet outfit,

0:24:26.000 --> 0:24:28.480
<v Speaker 1>which was chemistry in that it was a way to

0:24:28.560 --> 0:24:29.560
<v Speaker 1>mix perfumes.

0:24:29.840 --> 0:24:33.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, making flowery smells from aromatic powders.

0:24:34.160 --> 0:24:36.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. It was basically a perfum set.

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<v Speaker 2>Right exactly. And they're still in use today. In Who

0:24:40.320 --> 0:24:43.520
<v Speaker 2>Do Love Potions? And I was looking at some of these,

0:24:43.560 --> 0:24:46.240
<v Speaker 2>and the names of the ones that I could find

0:24:46.280 --> 0:24:52.520
<v Speaker 2>were confusion, Destroy Everything is one of the potions. Follow

0:24:52.600 --> 0:24:54.440
<v Speaker 2>me gal was another one.

0:24:55.000 --> 0:24:55.679
<v Speaker 3>No, I'll have that.

0:24:55.800 --> 0:24:58.240
<v Speaker 2>So you want to steer clear of people using who

0:24:58.280 --> 0:25:01.240
<v Speaker 2>Do Love Potions on you because there's no telling what

0:25:01.280 --> 0:25:03.760
<v Speaker 2>they'll make you do is essentially the thinking behind it.

0:25:04.440 --> 0:25:08.520
<v Speaker 2>But they're made from sashe powders as well, That's why

0:25:08.520 --> 0:25:10.480
<v Speaker 2>I say that. I don't know if that was clear.

0:25:12.080 --> 0:25:14.840
<v Speaker 1>Eventually, in the nineteen sixties, Gilbert finally was like, all right,

0:25:14.960 --> 0:25:18.800
<v Speaker 1>let's make a four girls chemistry set. But even then,

0:25:19.760 --> 0:25:22.280
<v Speaker 1>in the books and stuff, it was like, so you

0:25:22.520 --> 0:25:26.000
<v Speaker 1>too can become a lab technician. A lab technician, Yeah,

0:25:26.200 --> 0:25:29.320
<v Speaker 1>like not, you know, they weren't encouraging you to reach

0:25:29.359 --> 0:25:30.920
<v Speaker 1>for the stars and become a scientist.

0:25:31.160 --> 0:25:33.520
<v Speaker 2>No, it was like, so you could learn what you're

0:25:33.520 --> 0:25:36.840
<v Speaker 2>doing and go assist boy chemists, the real.

0:25:36.680 --> 0:25:39.480
<v Speaker 3>Kind, right, exactly, it's so nuts boo.

0:25:40.320 --> 0:25:43.639
<v Speaker 2>So this was in the sixties. You said that at

0:25:43.720 --> 0:25:46.600
<v Speaker 2>least chemistry sets for girls came out, even if they

0:25:46.600 --> 0:25:51.200
<v Speaker 2>were still derogatory. That was the golden era of chemistry sets,

0:25:51.240 --> 0:25:54.119
<v Speaker 2>the fifties to the sixties. Usually about the early to

0:25:54.200 --> 0:25:55.480
<v Speaker 2>mid sixties, they say.

0:25:55.320 --> 0:25:56.280
<v Speaker 3>We love a golden age.

0:25:56.520 --> 0:26:00.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and this was definitely it. And I've seen in

0:26:00.440 --> 0:26:03.240
<v Speaker 2>multiple places that the reason why this was the golden

0:26:03.280 --> 0:26:07.040
<v Speaker 2>age of chemistry sets was because this was a time

0:26:07.080 --> 0:26:11.160
<v Speaker 2>when America in particular was feeling pretty good about science.

0:26:12.240 --> 0:26:14.359
<v Speaker 2>Not only had America been the first to come up

0:26:14.400 --> 0:26:18.520
<v Speaker 2>with the bomb, we were also making things like nylon.

0:26:19.080 --> 0:26:23.080
<v Speaker 2>We were making more durable goods out of plastics, like

0:26:23.520 --> 0:26:27.600
<v Speaker 2>science was improving people's lives, and at the heart of

0:26:27.640 --> 0:26:31.320
<v Speaker 2>this was chemistry. So there was a real desire to

0:26:31.440 --> 0:26:35.800
<v Speaker 2>keep the party going by creating the next generation of chemists,

0:26:36.200 --> 0:26:39.280
<v Speaker 2>by really going all in onto chemistry sets, and so

0:26:39.320 --> 0:26:42.159
<v Speaker 2>they started selling even better than they ever had before.

0:26:43.119 --> 0:26:46.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the two slogans changed in the fifties and sixties.

0:26:46.440 --> 0:26:49.240
<v Speaker 1>For Kim Kraft, they changed it to porter Science prepares

0:26:49.880 --> 0:26:54.320
<v Speaker 1>young America for world leadership, and Gilbert responded in kind

0:26:54.359 --> 0:26:57.879
<v Speaker 1>with today's adventures in science will create tomorrow's America. And

0:26:57.920 --> 0:27:01.399
<v Speaker 1>it was this idea. I think even a c. Gilbert

0:27:01.480 --> 0:27:04.800
<v Speaker 1>the Founder like included a note that said hello boys,

0:27:05.359 --> 0:27:08.120
<v Speaker 1>that said, Hello boys, the need for chemistry is greater

0:27:08.160 --> 0:27:10.959
<v Speaker 1>now than any point in our country's history. This Gilbert

0:27:11.040 --> 0:27:13.080
<v Speaker 1>Chemistry set may well be the means of launching you

0:27:13.920 --> 0:27:17.880
<v Speaker 1>on a useful and well paying career. So it was like, Hey,

0:27:17.920 --> 0:27:20.960
<v Speaker 1>this is a toy, but if you're interested in science,

0:27:21.880 --> 0:27:24.240
<v Speaker 1>just wait, because there's a career out there waiting for you.

0:27:24.440 --> 0:27:26.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if you like making things catch on fire, wait

0:27:26.800 --> 0:27:29.120
<v Speaker 2>until they pay you money to make things catch on fire.

0:27:29.160 --> 0:27:32.080
<v Speaker 2>You're gonna really like it. And so things just kind

0:27:32.080 --> 0:27:35.359
<v Speaker 2>of started to get like anything they could throw at

0:27:35.359 --> 0:27:37.240
<v Speaker 2>the wall. Because they were selling so many of these,

0:27:37.280 --> 0:27:39.600
<v Speaker 2>they were willing to try a lot more than just

0:27:39.720 --> 0:27:42.560
<v Speaker 2>the standard chemistry set. And one of the ones that

0:27:42.640 --> 0:27:47.080
<v Speaker 2>came out, chuck In I think nineteen fifty is widely considered,

0:27:47.800 --> 0:27:51.760
<v Speaker 2>at least by some the world's most dangerous toy.

0:27:52.920 --> 0:27:54.160
<v Speaker 3>It was it bag of glass.

0:27:54.960 --> 0:27:57.800
<v Speaker 2>It was even worse than that, although I don't know

0:27:57.920 --> 0:27:59.639
<v Speaker 2>at the end of the day, I think bag of

0:27:59.680 --> 0:28:00.679
<v Speaker 2>glass might be worse.

0:28:01.760 --> 0:28:03.920
<v Speaker 1>That, of of course, was from the great Saturday Night

0:28:04.000 --> 0:28:07.680
<v Speaker 1>Live from the seventies, think dan Ackroyd. But we did,

0:28:08.080 --> 0:28:09.639
<v Speaker 1>or maybe you did, back in the day when we

0:28:09.640 --> 0:28:12.560
<v Speaker 1>were tasked with doing what are they called, what do

0:28:12.600 --> 0:28:16.320
<v Speaker 1>we call them image galleries? And you did something on

0:28:16.400 --> 0:28:19.240
<v Speaker 1>dangerous toys, and I think I remember like this was

0:28:19.280 --> 0:28:22.000
<v Speaker 1>in there, because I remember we talked about it, either

0:28:22.040 --> 0:28:24.680
<v Speaker 1>there or in a maybe a podcast or one of

0:28:24.720 --> 0:28:28.000
<v Speaker 1>the videos we used to do about the Atomic energy lab.

0:28:28.840 --> 0:28:31.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it had real uranium in it.

0:28:31.000 --> 0:28:33.600
<v Speaker 2>It did not only did it have four vials of

0:28:33.720 --> 0:28:38.040
<v Speaker 2>actual uranium or super radioactive uranium or well, I should

0:28:38.080 --> 0:28:42.040
<v Speaker 2>say actual radioactive uranium ore. There are also three different

0:28:42.080 --> 0:28:46.680
<v Speaker 2>sources of alpha, beta and gamma particle radiation too, So

0:28:46.800 --> 0:28:51.920
<v Speaker 2>this box was like quite radioactive. It was a legit,

0:28:52.240 --> 0:28:56.960
<v Speaker 2>real deal science box. It had a Geiger counter in it,

0:28:57.440 --> 0:29:00.400
<v Speaker 2>thank god. It had something called the spintherroscope. You could

0:29:00.440 --> 0:29:05.800
<v Speaker 2>look through it's almost like a seeing eyeglass. Now what

0:29:05.840 --> 0:29:08.920
<v Speaker 2>are they called like that, like a captain would like

0:29:09.520 --> 0:29:12.280
<v Speaker 2>pull out the not a telescope.

0:29:12.320 --> 0:29:13.600
<v Speaker 3>Like a sextant.

0:29:14.120 --> 0:29:17.240
<v Speaker 2>No, it's like the telescope that's small and pocket sized

0:29:17.280 --> 0:29:21.120
<v Speaker 2>that telescopes into a smaller version of itself.

0:29:21.920 --> 0:29:24.080
<v Speaker 3>I mean think it's called telescope in it whatever.

0:29:24.200 --> 0:29:29.560
<v Speaker 2>So it's like that, but you can actually watch radioactive

0:29:29.840 --> 0:29:33.920
<v Speaker 2>isotopes decaying under this thing. There was also a cloud

0:29:34.040 --> 0:29:37.640
<v Speaker 2>chamber in there, which is really impressive that they had

0:29:37.640 --> 0:29:38.880
<v Speaker 2>cloud chambers.

0:29:39.200 --> 0:29:42.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, is this the thing you sent? Yes? I did

0:29:42.600 --> 0:29:45.000
<v Speaker 3>not get a chance to look over this, so feel free.

0:29:45.080 --> 0:29:48.680
<v Speaker 2>Okay. So a cloud chamber is a specific kind of

0:29:49.520 --> 0:29:52.760
<v Speaker 2>like flask or vial that's set up to hold alcohol

0:29:52.880 --> 0:29:56.040
<v Speaker 2>vapor that in some way shape or form I guess

0:29:56.040 --> 0:30:01.640
<v Speaker 2>through magic. You can see the trails of radioactive particles

0:30:01.720 --> 0:30:06.200
<v Speaker 2>moving through the alcohol vapor, very similar to like a

0:30:06.280 --> 0:30:09.160
<v Speaker 2>contrail from an airplane, if you believe that those are

0:30:09.160 --> 0:30:14.000
<v Speaker 2>actually contrails. Yeah, and the particles, the lower, lesser active

0:30:14.160 --> 0:30:19.080
<v Speaker 2>radioactive particles would kind of zigzag and make little cute lines,

0:30:19.160 --> 0:30:21.920
<v Speaker 2>but that's because they were actually being slowed down by

0:30:21.960 --> 0:30:22.960
<v Speaker 2>the alcohol vapor.

0:30:23.080 --> 0:30:23.280
<v Speaker 3>There.

0:30:23.320 --> 0:30:25.560
<v Speaker 2>Really strong ones would make a nice bold straight line

0:30:25.600 --> 0:30:27.520
<v Speaker 2>through there, and you could just see all these little

0:30:27.600 --> 0:30:31.320
<v Speaker 2>trails of radioactive particles show up in your own personal

0:30:31.360 --> 0:30:34.920
<v Speaker 2>cloud chamber that came in this play set. I know,

0:30:35.000 --> 0:30:36.240
<v Speaker 2>it was really impressive.

0:30:37.720 --> 0:30:42.640
<v Speaker 1>Well, the ones that came with uranium, they had you know, booklets.

0:30:42.880 --> 0:30:47.120
<v Speaker 1>One was called Prospecting for Uranium that taught you how

0:30:47.120 --> 0:30:51.640
<v Speaker 1>to mine a radioactive or so you're thinking, like all right,

0:30:51.720 --> 0:30:55.000
<v Speaker 1>like how literally how dangerous was this? There have been

0:30:55.040 --> 0:30:58.800
<v Speaker 1>modern calculations about, you know, what was contained in these boxes,

0:30:59.280 --> 0:31:03.520
<v Speaker 1>and suppose that the amount of radiation from the uranium

0:31:03.560 --> 0:31:05.640
<v Speaker 1>in one of these sets equaled about a day of

0:31:05.800 --> 0:31:09.280
<v Speaker 1>UV exposure from the sun. So it's not the most

0:31:09.360 --> 0:31:11.440
<v Speaker 1>dangerous thing in the world, but it is pretty funny

0:31:11.440 --> 0:31:13.680
<v Speaker 1>that it came with like actual uranium, right.

0:31:14.000 --> 0:31:16.720
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't find an answer though, like over what period

0:31:16.800 --> 0:31:20.080
<v Speaker 2>of time was it day's worth of UV exposure? Like

0:31:20.080 --> 0:31:22.360
<v Speaker 2>an hour if you spent the day with this thing,

0:31:22.840 --> 0:31:25.720
<v Speaker 2>Like I couldn't quite nail it down. But I'm from

0:31:25.720 --> 0:31:29.440
<v Speaker 2>the context that everybody describes it, and it sounds fairly harmless.

0:31:29.960 --> 0:31:32.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it's exposure, but like what if it's on

0:31:32.480 --> 0:31:34.960
<v Speaker 1>your skin or gets in your body somehow, your your.

0:31:34.920 --> 0:31:36.960
<v Speaker 3>Teeth, it can't be good.

0:31:37.120 --> 0:31:39.720
<v Speaker 2>So I saw that they only sold about five thousand

0:31:39.800 --> 0:31:41.960
<v Speaker 2>of them, and that it wasn't There's a great Atlas

0:31:41.960 --> 0:31:45.120
<v Speaker 2>Obscure video on this where they talked to a curator

0:31:45.120 --> 0:31:48.120
<v Speaker 2>at a science museum who opens one of these and

0:31:48.160 --> 0:31:52.160
<v Speaker 2>just talks about it, and she said that they were

0:31:52.200 --> 0:31:55.120
<v Speaker 2>discontinued after two years, not because of safety concerns, but

0:31:55.160 --> 0:31:57.720
<v Speaker 2>because they didn't sell very many. Because it was about

0:31:57.880 --> 0:32:01.960
<v Speaker 2>five hundred or something dollars in today's money for these things,

0:32:01.960 --> 0:32:04.080
<v Speaker 2>so most parents weren't like, sure, I'll buy you this,

0:32:04.800 --> 0:32:07.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, atomic lab for five hundred bucks.

0:32:07.440 --> 0:32:10.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And here's the thing, it was just kind of fun.

0:32:10.920 --> 0:32:12.680
<v Speaker 1>We won't read through all these quotes, but a lot

0:32:12.720 --> 0:32:16.440
<v Speaker 1>of you know, legit Nobel winning chemistry chemists over the

0:32:16.520 --> 0:32:19.680
<v Speaker 1>years got their start in chemistry sets. I imagine a

0:32:19.680 --> 0:32:23.320
<v Speaker 1>lot of real deal scientists and chemists had these things

0:32:23.320 --> 0:32:26.760
<v Speaker 1>when they were kids. And we'll read one from Oliver Sacks,

0:32:28.040 --> 0:32:30.440
<v Speaker 1>the neurologist and author, said, I do not think there

0:32:30.440 --> 0:32:33.720
<v Speaker 1>can be any adequate substitute for having a chemistry set

0:32:33.800 --> 0:32:37.720
<v Speaker 1>or a little chemistry lab and doing experiments oneself, thinking

0:32:37.800 --> 0:32:41.760
<v Speaker 1>them out, taking responsibility for them, and occasionally facing risks too.

0:32:42.480 --> 0:32:45.080
<v Speaker 1>So Oliver Sacks talking about risk was one of the

0:32:45.120 --> 0:32:49.120
<v Speaker 1>big sort of cells of chemistry sets for kids, like

0:32:49.520 --> 0:32:53.360
<v Speaker 1>a little bit of danger involved. You know, they were

0:32:53.360 --> 0:32:55.280
<v Speaker 1>fun and all, but I think it was that little

0:32:55.280 --> 0:32:57.480
<v Speaker 1>bit of like, you know, you are making fire, you

0:32:57.520 --> 0:33:00.360
<v Speaker 1>are making things go boom or smoke. That was one

0:33:00.400 --> 0:33:04.280
<v Speaker 1>of the things that appealed to kids and probably still does, yeah.

0:33:04.040 --> 0:33:07.680
<v Speaker 2>For sure. And the problem is is that over time,

0:33:08.520 --> 0:33:10.600
<v Speaker 2>so like kids who were like, I'm really into this

0:33:10.640 --> 0:33:12.880
<v Speaker 2>and I need to learn to be a responsible chemists

0:33:12.840 --> 0:33:14.440
<v Speaker 2>because I want to grow up to be a chemist.

0:33:15.800 --> 0:33:18.680
<v Speaker 2>Over like, there were also kids that got these that

0:33:18.720 --> 0:33:20.760
<v Speaker 2>were not that interested in being a chemist. They just

0:33:20.800 --> 0:33:23.440
<v Speaker 2>wanted to blow things up. And then I think also

0:33:23.480 --> 0:33:26.280
<v Speaker 2>there were kids who were responsible but just had accidents,

0:33:26.720 --> 0:33:30.160
<v Speaker 2>and so there were reports of people burning down their

0:33:30.200 --> 0:33:34.760
<v Speaker 2>family house with these chemistry sets are injuring themselves. And

0:33:34.800 --> 0:33:38.760
<v Speaker 2>that kind of coincided with a couple of things. One

0:33:39.280 --> 0:33:44.400
<v Speaker 2>this increasing interest in protecting kids from toys, and then

0:33:44.480 --> 0:33:50.160
<v Speaker 2>two also a greater emphasis on things like environmental pollutants

0:33:50.160 --> 0:33:54.239
<v Speaker 2>and toxins, and that whole like love of chemistry that

0:33:54.320 --> 0:33:57.480
<v Speaker 2>really carried everybody in the fifties and early sixties was

0:33:57.480 --> 0:34:00.840
<v Speaker 2>starting to be questioned and like, exactly where these chemicals

0:34:00.880 --> 0:34:03.200
<v Speaker 2>doing to us? So you put those two things combined,

0:34:03.440 --> 0:34:05.120
<v Speaker 2>and chemistry sets started.

0:34:04.760 --> 0:34:06.960
<v Speaker 3>To take a hit, Yeah for sure.

0:34:07.280 --> 0:34:11.120
<v Speaker 1>In sixty six, Congress passed the Child Protection Act, which

0:34:11.200 --> 0:34:12.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, all of a sudden you could ban a

0:34:12.480 --> 0:34:16.080
<v Speaker 1>toy that had something dangerous or hazardous in there. A

0:34:16.080 --> 0:34:19.560
<v Speaker 1>couple of years later, the US Department of Health, Education,

0:34:19.600 --> 0:34:23.319
<v Speaker 1>and Welfare they estimated that toys, just all toys, caused

0:34:23.320 --> 0:34:28.319
<v Speaker 1>about seven hundred thousand injuries a year. So more regulations

0:34:28.320 --> 0:34:32.040
<v Speaker 1>were passed in the late sixties and early seventies seventies

0:34:32.040 --> 0:34:35.239
<v Speaker 1>for like you said, just protecting kids from dangers and

0:34:35.280 --> 0:34:38.360
<v Speaker 1>toys and what these toys were made of, in the

0:34:38.400 --> 0:34:41.680
<v Speaker 1>case of chemistry sets, like the chemicals that were in there.

0:34:41.920 --> 0:34:46.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So, like this increasing concern among parents and what

0:34:46.520 --> 0:34:49.800
<v Speaker 2>are in these chemistry sets led to decline in sales,

0:34:50.120 --> 0:34:54.960
<v Speaker 2>and in fact, Porter Chemical and Gilbert the two rivals

0:34:54.960 --> 0:34:57.960
<v Speaker 2>who've made Chemcraft and Gilbert Chemistry sets, were bought by

0:34:57.960 --> 0:35:01.319
<v Speaker 2>a toy maker named Gabriel Toys. You might recognize that

0:35:01.440 --> 0:35:06.800
<v Speaker 2>name from Othello Trouble. The pottery craft activity, a little

0:35:06.920 --> 0:35:09.440
<v Speaker 2>set where you could make your own pottery You remember

0:35:09.480 --> 0:35:11.640
<v Speaker 2>that it was this little pottery wheel.

0:35:11.320 --> 0:35:13.239
<v Speaker 3>And probably remember the box.

0:35:13.080 --> 0:35:16.319
<v Speaker 2>You can you definitely would, but you could recreate that

0:35:16.360 --> 0:35:17.360
<v Speaker 2>scene from Ghost.

0:35:17.280 --> 0:35:20.319
<v Speaker 3>But for cheap Yeah, yeah, as a teenager too.

0:35:20.400 --> 0:35:25.040
<v Speaker 2>Anyway, Gabriel they bought those two in nineteen sixty seven,

0:35:25.080 --> 0:35:27.279
<v Speaker 2>and by the eighties they were like, no chemistry set.

0:35:27.400 --> 0:35:30.600
<v Speaker 2>You just couldn't sell them. Some companies went on like, no,

0:35:30.760 --> 0:35:33.880
<v Speaker 2>we're going to keep the flame going, but they really

0:35:33.960 --> 0:35:37.040
<v Speaker 2>really watered them down starting in the eighties and nineties.

0:35:37.880 --> 0:35:39.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure, and that I mean, I guess my

0:35:39.920 --> 0:35:42.480
<v Speaker 1>brother would have had one probably from the seventies, so

0:35:42.680 --> 0:35:46.479
<v Speaker 1>it may have still been a little bit legit. But yeah,

0:35:46.480 --> 0:35:49.720
<v Speaker 1>in the eighties they started literally watering them down, watering

0:35:49.760 --> 0:35:54.920
<v Speaker 1>down the chemicals. Things you know, became plastic, like you

0:35:54.960 --> 0:35:58.400
<v Speaker 1>didn't get glass test tubes and metal scales and stuff

0:35:58.440 --> 0:36:00.959
<v Speaker 1>like that anymore. Like you know, the old kids were

0:36:01.520 --> 0:36:04.840
<v Speaker 1>just sort of smaller condensed versions of like the real deal,

0:36:05.360 --> 0:36:07.799
<v Speaker 1>and that all changed. They just became cheaper, kind of

0:36:07.840 --> 0:36:10.960
<v Speaker 1>like everything else. I think in two thousand and one

0:36:11.000 --> 0:36:15.279
<v Speaker 1>there was a recall of a set called Professor Wacko's

0:36:15.320 --> 0:36:21.480
<v Speaker 1>Exothermic Exuberance that had glycerine and potassium.

0:36:22.960 --> 0:36:23.759
<v Speaker 3>What is that work?

0:36:24.040 --> 0:36:24.560
<v Speaker 2>Manging it?

0:36:25.400 --> 0:36:28.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, great, and that could cause things to catch

0:36:28.719 --> 0:36:33.640
<v Speaker 1>on fire and spontaneously combust. These these this particular kid

0:36:33.680 --> 0:36:36.920
<v Speaker 1>had containers with removable lids, but they weren't labeled, so

0:36:37.040 --> 0:36:41.040
<v Speaker 1>kids were mislabeling things or just getting them confused basically

0:36:41.160 --> 0:36:43.440
<v Speaker 1>because there were no labels. And there were two separate

0:36:43.440 --> 0:36:46.440
<v Speaker 1>house fire incidents. So that one was recalled and that

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<v Speaker 1>was I mean that was in the early two thousands.

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<v Speaker 1>It was surprising those were still around.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think those people try to throw back to

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<v Speaker 2>like the real deal and it just didn't quite work.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>There was another one that's YESI Fingerprinting Examination Kit, which

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<v Speaker 2>sounds extremely innocuous, but it was recalled in two thousand

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<v Speaker 2>and seven because they found out that the fingerprint powder

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<v Speaker 2>that you used to dust for prints with had asbestos

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<v Speaker 2>in it. It was up to five percent asbestos, which

0:37:14.360 --> 0:37:19.920
<v Speaker 2>is obviously I think a mesothelioma causing carcinogen. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 2>that was like no, and parents were like, what are

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<v Speaker 2>you guys doing. Stop selling our kids, Like, we're clearly

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<v Speaker 2>into products safety, Stop selling our kids this stuff. So

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<v Speaker 2>a toymaker named oh, I don't know who made it,

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<v Speaker 2>but they came out with a set called Chemistry sixty

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<v Speaker 2>and they were like, watch this. This is sixty fun

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<v Speaker 2>activities with no chemicals.

0:37:43.840 --> 0:37:49.240
<v Speaker 3>In other words, boring this. This is the irony here.

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<v Speaker 1>Despite that it had no chemicals, it had two kinds

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<v Speaker 1>of safety goggles, the goggles and those little clear safety

0:37:55.560 --> 0:37:58.440
<v Speaker 1>glasses made out of whatever they're made out of, the

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<v Speaker 1>chat non chat or something.

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<v Speaker 2>And to fold it up, nanny who came out of

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<v Speaker 2>the box to hover while all of these experiments are

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<v Speaker 2>going on, and you could get the items that you needed,

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<v Speaker 2>Like you did need some chemicals, but these are like

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<v Speaker 2>kitchen level chemicals like vinegar, baking, soda, that kind of stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>And I thought that was kind of reminiscent. Remember, Dave

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<v Speaker 2>came up with a bunch of quotes of Nobel scientists

0:38:21.680 --> 0:38:26.200
<v Speaker 2>who credit chemistry sets for like increasing their or starting

0:38:26.239 --> 0:38:29.160
<v Speaker 2>their interest in science. There was one other scientist named

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<v Speaker 2>Kerrie Mullis who won the Nobel Prize in Chemistry in

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<v Speaker 2>ninety three, who said that their objective with their chemistry

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<v Speaker 2>set was to figure out what things I might put

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<v Speaker 2>together to cause an explosion, and that they discovered whatever

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<v Speaker 2>chemicals might be missing, they could buy them at the

0:38:44.239 --> 0:38:48.920
<v Speaker 2>local drug store or hardware store, and so like that's

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<v Speaker 2>this is like the antithesis of that, Rather than being

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<v Speaker 2>like I need more explosive stuff or I need this

0:38:53.600 --> 0:38:56.040
<v Speaker 2>other thing to make this explosion happen. I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>go down to the drug store hardware store.

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<v Speaker 3>This was.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to go to the kitchen and make a

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<v Speaker 2>baking soda and vinegar volcano in this chemistry set that

0:39:05.280 --> 0:39:07.359
<v Speaker 2>my parents bought me, and then I'm going to go

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<v Speaker 2>to sleep and maybe hopefully never wake up.

0:39:10.520 --> 0:39:10.840
<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Dave did a little research, though, and found that there

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<v Speaker 1>are some pretty good ones today that you can still get.

0:39:17.400 --> 0:39:19.799
<v Speaker 1>There are some companies that are, you know, trying to

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<v Speaker 1>make a safe version of a real deal chemistry set

0:39:22.680 --> 0:39:26.040
<v Speaker 1>these days. This one called I don't know, it's TIMS

0:39:26.160 --> 0:39:29.120
<v Speaker 1>or Themes in this case, and Cosmos with a K.

0:39:30.480 --> 0:39:34.719
<v Speaker 1>It's called the kim C three thousand, two hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>eighty bucks plus money for chemicals, So it better be

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<v Speaker 1>good for that kind of dough.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. It got best overall Chemistry set by the Wall

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<v Speaker 2>Street Journal in two thousand and six. I didn't know

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<v Speaker 2>the Wall Street Journal rated such things.

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<v Speaker 3>But it makes steen years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>It does make sense that they would rate it though,

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<v Speaker 2>because these some of the legit chemistry sets sold today. Therefore,

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<v Speaker 2>like homeschoolers like, who need this kind of stuff? And

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<v Speaker 2>in fact, if you want to plunk down six hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and forty five simoleans, you can get a chemistry set

0:40:06.200 --> 0:40:10.280
<v Speaker 2>that covers an entire year of eleventh grade chemistry. Oh wow,

0:40:10.600 --> 0:40:13.760
<v Speaker 2>pretty neat. I also saw one other reason that chemistry

0:40:13.800 --> 0:40:16.279
<v Speaker 2>sets kind of got watered down over the years are

0:40:16.400 --> 0:40:18.799
<v Speaker 2>meth labs. People were finding like they could actually buy

0:40:18.880 --> 0:40:21.040
<v Speaker 2>these things and use them to make meth. Right, So

0:40:21.080 --> 0:40:24.120
<v Speaker 2>there was another there was another prong to like be like,

0:40:24.200 --> 0:40:28.439
<v Speaker 2>we need to really stop making these legit chemistry sets. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>got anything else?

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<v Speaker 3>I got nothing else?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, support support science for your for your kids,

0:40:37.600 --> 0:40:40.000
<v Speaker 1>little little girls, little boys, get them, get them a

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<v Speaker 1>chemistry set.

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<v Speaker 3>Very nice, That's what I say.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right. Since Chuck gave us a nice PSA, it's

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<v Speaker 2>time of course for a listener, mate.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to call this all caught up. Hey, everybody

0:40:52.719 --> 0:40:55.000
<v Speaker 1>got hooked on your show. In twenty nineteen, after a

0:40:55.040 --> 0:40:56.839
<v Speaker 1>few weeks of listening, I decided I had to listen

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<v Speaker 1>to all of it, and after five years, I finally

0:41:00.080 --> 0:41:03.600
<v Speaker 1>have completed that task. Just finished listening to the Judas

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<v Speaker 1>Priest suicide trial during a morning trail run, and now

0:41:07.000 --> 0:41:08.520
<v Speaker 1>I feel like I have a little void in my life.

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<v Speaker 1>You guys having to wait patiently throughout the week for

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<v Speaker 1>new content. I often listen for hours on end during

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<v Speaker 1>trail runs training for ultra marathons. By the way, Josh

0:41:18.040 --> 0:41:22.360
<v Speaker 1>has many times called them ultrathons, which never fails to

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<v Speaker 1>give me a chuckle.

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<v Speaker 3>Ultrathon is that another thing?

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<v Speaker 2>I think they're called ultra marathons. Ultrathon is like a

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<v Speaker 2>bad guy on in a character Yeah, and some Japanese anime.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I like ultrathon.

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<v Speaker 1>Your voices and content, guys, always give me keep me

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<v Speaker 1>in a positive mood, even when I'm at the point

0:41:42.440 --> 0:41:45.440
<v Speaker 1>of exhaustion. You've been with me and my wife through

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<v Speaker 1>some big life events, our marriage, multiple cross country moves,

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<v Speaker 1>new jobs.

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<v Speaker 3>And now a new baby in a few weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>And by the time this comes out, that baby will

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<v Speaker 1>be around, I would imagine, because we're ahead by a

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<v Speaker 1>few weeks at this point.

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<v Speaker 3>So keep up the great work, guys.

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<v Speaker 1>I can continue to share this and enjoy it with

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<v Speaker 1>my family as it grows by one. Maybe a long shot,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'd love to see a live show up here

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<v Speaker 1>in Halifax, Nova Scotia. That you get a couple one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred people in a room here, that's for Matt. Well, Matt,

0:42:15.239 --> 0:42:17.520
<v Speaker 1>we got a couple of hundred people in a room

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<v Speaker 1>in Atlanta.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we can't get worse than that, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'd rather go to Halifax than have a hometown

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<v Speaker 1>show be under sold.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you got any barns in Halifax, Matt. That we

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<v Speaker 2>can do is.

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<v Speaker 3>Showing that Bet Matt has a barn.

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<v Speaker 2>Well. Congratulations in advance retroactively to you and your family

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<v Speaker 2>for your baby's birth. And if you want to get

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<v Speaker 2>in touch with us like Matt did and tell us

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