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Speaker 1: Welcome to a new era of No Dunks. We're in

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Speaker 1: a new studio. It's our twenty year anniversary in a

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Speaker 1: few months. One of our guys is in Canada right now.

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Speaker 2: Listen. It's a work in progress. This is going to

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Speaker 2: work over the next few weeks, will be going when

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Speaker 2: the NBA season starts. I'm task Melice with me. It's

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Speaker 2: the man in the middle, Trey Kirby, hey a, and

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Speaker 2: the man making the magic happen. As always, he made

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Speaker 2: this studio happen, did I? Yeah, yeah, you did. Super

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Speaker 2: producer JD. Hello, hey JD. And that man in Canada.

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Speaker 2: As I said, Scott, some immigration issues we're working through.

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Speaker 2: We're working through, as I said, you know, it is

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Speaker 2: a work in progress. There he is as happy as ever.

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Speaker 3: Jay skeets, it's actually not an immigration issue anymore. H Now,

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Speaker 3: it's a mailing issue here. Relater. What's going on. Their

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Speaker 3: truck broke down. We're waiting on documents, but hopefully it'll

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Speaker 3: be back later this week. But hello, gentlemen, the studio

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Speaker 3: looks very different. You got like a debate show going on.

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Speaker 3: You guys are so far apart.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like we need to bring twenty people

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Speaker 4: in to argue with either your points or my points,

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Speaker 4: and you got to just shut them down going head

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Speaker 4: to head here. But it feels nice. We're only missing

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Speaker 4: one thing, you know, skates.

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Speaker 3: Man, can I Jamie's on the opposite side of the

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Speaker 3: garage now too, right of the factory. That's correct, Kitty

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Speaker 3: corner mode. Yeah, it's weird watching you guys look to

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Speaker 3: the opposite side now very whoa, whoa, whoa. My lines

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Speaker 3: are gonna be crazy, Pip. It's gonna take a while

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Speaker 3: getting used to. But I'm loving the new look over all,

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Speaker 3: the new rebrand, and I'm definitely excited to finally talk

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Speaker 3: hoops with you guys. I've been listening to all you

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Speaker 3: shows and I'm ready to actually share some opinions.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and hopefully we'll have everything to get by the

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Speaker 2: beginning of the season because things are going to be

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Speaker 2: working in here. Yes, we're sitting across from each other.

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Speaker 2: Now that'll change with a third person here, it'll be different.

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Speaker 2: How much are we changing the background? We'll find out.

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Speaker 4: Hopefully, hopefully we make some significant changes here. I know

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Speaker 4: people are asking about the sign. It's still here in

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Speaker 4: the factory at some place somewhere but we're probably gonna

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Speaker 4: upgrade the sign as well. And look, it's the sign

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Speaker 4: needs to be upgraded. Yeah, it's the preseason. It's the preseason.

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Speaker 4: We're going to be upgrading. We'll be making more announcements

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Speaker 4: as time comes by, sooner or later, Pure Later We're

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Speaker 4: going to be reunited to touch hands and make takes.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Hey, listen, I've been waiting for my daughter's passport.

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Speaker 2: Very very different problem. Also some FedEx truck issues as well, skeets.

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Speaker 2: If that makes you feel better, it does not, I'm sure,

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Speaker 2: but I.

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Speaker 3: Don't believe that Pure Later's truck broke down on a

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Speaker 3: Friday night, one hour before service ended. Let me just

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Speaker 3: say that for the rec that's what you say when

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Speaker 3: you realize the package is not going to be delivered

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Speaker 3: by the end of the day. Yeah, how am I

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Speaker 3: to know if their truck is actually working? But anyway,

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Speaker 3: I'm a little frustrated. I've been here way too long.

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Speaker 3: At least the Blue Jays are kicking ass. Yeah that

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Speaker 3: going for me here in Toronto, But yeah, I want

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Speaker 3: to get back there. And I also know what people

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Speaker 3: are thinking. Didn't you have all summer to redo the factory?

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, we waited until the final weekend to do it,

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Speaker 3: so that's why it's still work in progress.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think because we have two weeks before

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Speaker 2: the start of the NBA season, people will think it

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Speaker 2: gets better and better. You know, we didn't want to

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Speaker 2: come out with them bang the finished deal, you know,

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Speaker 2: the finished product. We wanted to make sure everybody saw it.

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Speaker 4: Doesn't. Bill Simmons call it the Milton burrel where you

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Speaker 3: Sure I didn't know, but yeah, he does.

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Speaker 4: But I won't go further into that. All right, hopefully

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Speaker 4: we can burrow this thing out as time goes on.

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Speaker 4: Let's go.

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Speaker 2: Let's get into the Eastern Conference over under total predictions

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Speaker 2: because it's fine. All of these are provided by Fan Duel.

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Speaker 2: I want to start with the first one because I

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Speaker 2: think this one is really interesting. We'll get to all

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Speaker 2: fifteen teams, but the Boston Celtics over under number is

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Speaker 2: forty one and a half, this team that won sixty

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Speaker 2: one games last year. So start us off trade. Do

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Speaker 4: I think this is one of the hardest teams to

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Speaker 4: tell Where are the Celtics going to be because their

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Speaker 4: win total is going down by twenty wins sixty one

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Speaker 4: basically everybody on their team of any sort of size.

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Speaker 4: in at the end of the season for a handful

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Speaker 4: don't even think it's a guarantee that the starters they

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Speaker 4: you're starting everything else basically up up for grabs. To me,

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Speaker 4: Simon's Pritchard. Who's going to be the center, nimiash Kaita.

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Speaker 4: Right now, I do think though, that this is going

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Speaker 4: to be one of the biggest curve ball teams in

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Speaker 4: the NBA. We know the Celtics like to shoot threes.

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Speaker 4: They were first in three point rate last year. That

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Speaker 4: probably bumps up even more so this year with a

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Speaker 4: do have a lot of guys who like to shoot threes.

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Speaker 4: Celtics were thirtieth in pace last year. I think that

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Speaker 4: little bit faster. But the question is, like, what does

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Speaker 4: a Joe Missoula team look like when they're not one

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would agree with that, just to piggyback off

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Speaker 3: in our over under predictions last year, you had like

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Speaker 3: an incredible overall record, But like I don't know about

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Speaker 3: I can remember, Like with a lot of these teams

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Speaker 3: keep going back and forth on whether they're a plus

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Speaker 3: it's a bit of a down year and like they're

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Speaker 2: If the line akers know what's going on, that is

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Speaker 2: for sure they're hitting home runs. This forty one and

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Speaker 2: mean you basically he lost a huge chunk of this

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Speaker 2: of these other guys? And I will say it's all

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Speaker 2: and this is the hardest training camp I've seen. Right now,

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Speaker 2: I don't think he just says that. He said, we're

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Speaker 2: hardest playing team in basketball.

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Speaker 4: Okay, that was the Miami Heat.

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Speaker 2: What Yeah, Well, then you get a player jumping in

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Speaker 2: Josh Man new player on working with Joe Mizula. He's

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Speaker 3: I do. That's an understatement.

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Speaker 2: I do think the guys that you mentioned, and Derek White,

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Speaker 2: leading this team. Yes, they're going to probably shoot more

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Speaker 2: Missoula number one, because it is Yeah, it's a hey,

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Speaker 2: it's it's on his shoulder to do this this time.

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Speaker 2: I think they have enough guys to be a five

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I actually am in Missoula mode for this one

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Speaker 4: I'm thinking of a Doc Rivers Orlando Magic team where

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Speaker 4: of the Year sort of thing. He seems exactly like

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Speaker 4: just haven't seen it yet. I'm going for a slight

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I've gone through some waves. I mean when

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Speaker 2: Gumbo and the Milwaukee Bucks are going to be fantastic

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Speaker 2: they'll be able to hang with the Milwaukee Bucks. Then

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Speaker 2: I watch Jalen Brown in the playoffs and he just

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Speaker 2: wasn't quite the same guy, and maybe he won't be

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Speaker 2: the same guy. But we're talking about the East. We're

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Speaker 2: talking about a five hundred team. So even if Jalen

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Speaker 2: Brown isn't necessarily an All NBA player again, if his

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Speaker 2: knee is still bothering him, this team is good enough

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Speaker 2: to be literally be a five hundred team. I think

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Speaker 2: this is a forty one and a half number. It's

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Speaker 2: not five hundred.

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Speaker 2: Yes barely. Yes, you're right. I mean I should say

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Speaker 2: they have to be over five hundred, but I'm fine

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Speaker 2: taking that even if I don't know how Jalen Brown's

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Speaker 2: you think, Skeetz, are you over under on a forty

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the weird thing about these numbers. Sometimes the

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Speaker 2: this forty one win number that we're looking at last year, right,

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Speaker 4: Bulls have to do with that nothing, I know it

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Speaker 3: Last year, the Celtics would love to have Booch as

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Speaker 4: They ten times better than any of their front court players.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so it is a question about the Celtics front

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Speaker 2: Why can't this team go forty two and forty? That

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he said he.

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Speaker 4: The problem is, if like Jaylen Brown goes down with

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Speaker 4: even shallower than they are. But like, I feel like

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Speaker 2: Would you want to play hard for a guy that

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Speaker 2: I don't know. It's just a weird thing to say.

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Speaker 4: He has a lot of ways like that that was

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we didn't even mention Affredy Simons, who said, I mean,

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Speaker 2: I've never been taught defense before, and now he's here

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Speaker 2: The Brooklyn nets line is twenty and a half after

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Speaker 4: Trey, what do you think under twenty wins is pretty bad?

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Speaker 4: Three teams were under twenty wins last season. We only

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Speaker 4: I think the Wizards will probably have a worst roster,

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Speaker 4: You look at the vets for the Nets and it's

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Speaker 4: But I think this is the year the Nets really

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Speaker 4: They have their own pick. They do have a swap

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Speaker 4: I'm anticipating the Nets being I don't know, one of

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Speaker 4: But I will go under on the Nets. I think

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Speaker 2: All right, Skeets your thoughts on the Brooklyn Nets.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this team stinks. They're going to be bad. I'm

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Speaker 3: It is really low. They did look solid to start

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Speaker 3: Cam Thomas. Like, that's gonna be fun. I know House

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Speaker 3: I guess Hayward high Smith. It's just like it is

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Speaker 3: don't worry, they're gonna get it because they're bad. I

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Speaker 3: that probably will be I don't know, seventeen eighteen wins

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Speaker 2: Yeah. The worrisome part is getting into that offense without

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Speaker 2: He literally could be starting for them, this nineteen year old,

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Speaker 2: I think they're going to be somewhere around there. But

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Speaker 2: even though he's there and he's their guy. That's not

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Speaker 2: they have a lot of point guards. Yeah, but to me,

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Speaker 2: So I don't see them getting there. It'll be close,

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Speaker 3: Their best chance to hit the over is to have

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Speaker 3: we don't have to try all that hard. We're not

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Speaker 3: They're gonna win fifteen to twenty games or fifteen to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it would be a you know, it's a pretty

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Speaker 4: I'm confident they can pull it off.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we shall see.

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Speaker 4: How about this, though fewest assists per game in the

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Speaker 4: think NETS could challenge that this year. Not a lot

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Speaker 2: That's a great line.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean under four assists per quarter is pretty brutal.

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Speaker 4: But they got some guys that like to dribble and

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Speaker 3: So something to keep the track of, for sure.

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Speaker 2: Very good line, very good line. All right, let's stay

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Speaker 2: in the New York area. Let's go to the New

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Speaker 2: The Knicks line is fifty three and a half wins

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they only got to win three more games to

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Speaker 4: think the next will be good. This year wouldn't surprise

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00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:18,240
Speaker 4: me if they have the most wins in the Eastern Conference.

432
00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:21,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you think? Skeets is just two and

433
00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:24,040
Speaker 2: a half more wins essentially than last year. If you're

434
00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:28,240
Speaker 2: looking at the line, it's a line that everybody's optimistic about.

435
00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:28,720
Speaker 2: What do you think?

436
00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:32,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was sort of shocked that, you know, Vegas

437
00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:34,520
Speaker 3: put this line of fifty three and a half. I

438
00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:36,880
Speaker 3: think before they came out, I thought it would be higher. Right,

439
00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:39,399
Speaker 3: you know, they're running back the same core that was

440
00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:42,440
Speaker 3: really good. They've added some pieces like Traders went through.

441
00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:44,600
Speaker 3: Now they have the new coach. Thing like that's the

442
00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:47,600
Speaker 3: big question mark. It's will Mike Brown be playing more

443
00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:49,840
Speaker 3: of a longer game, trying to build up the second unit?

444
00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:53,440
Speaker 3: Maybe a sacrifice of w's there or tims are sort

445
00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:55,840
Speaker 3: of like always like balls to the wall, everybody's playing

446
00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:58,919
Speaker 3: forty minutes. Maybe, but you need to do that in

447
00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:02,119
Speaker 3: order to have playoff success, sort of build up these six, seventh,

448
00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:04,520
Speaker 3: eight to ninth guys. But yeah, I thought it was

449
00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:07,879
Speaker 3: gonna be higher, So I like the over too. I

450
00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:10,120
Speaker 3: think they're in the fifty five to sixty win mark.

451
00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:12,080
Speaker 3: That's where I would have them if everybody stays healthy,

452
00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:16,320
Speaker 3: and this is low. It's fairly low, So I'm in.

453
00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:18,560
Speaker 3: I'm in on the Knicks being one of the best

454
00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:21,000
Speaker 3: teams in the East. Of course, they have goals to

455
00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,320
Speaker 3: make the Eastern Conference Finals in finals, so I think

456
00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:26,280
Speaker 3: they're just gonna piece together a really good season here more,

457
00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:29,720
Speaker 3: you know, just continuity with their main guys, and I

458
00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,120
Speaker 3: like it. It feels almost too easy, so I'm a little

459
00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:32,760
Speaker 3: hesitant there.

460
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Speaker 2: I'll take the over. Could be a sneaky one. I

461
00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,679
Speaker 2: also have to say, I agree. How can I How

462
00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,400
Speaker 2: can you disagree? Like coach aside who I think will

463
00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:46,800
Speaker 2: benefit them staying way fresher, I just think we forget

464
00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:49,040
Speaker 2: that Mitchell Robinson is healthy to start the season he

465
00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:51,119
Speaker 2: wasn't last year. He can get in there at the

466
00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:54,600
Speaker 2: five and play good defense and allow car to go

467
00:21:54,640 --> 00:22:00,960
Speaker 2: to the four. And last year they didn't allow guys

468
00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:03,040
Speaker 2: to come off the bench enough and I think Mike

469
00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,159
Speaker 2: Brown's going to do that. Everyone will be fresher. To me,

470
00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,480
Speaker 2: I think they're going to go way deeper throughout the bench.

471
00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:13,600
Speaker 2: And last year they were just so good offensively. They

472
00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:17,439
Speaker 2: just came back in one games and even though there

473
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:19,240
Speaker 2: was a sort of a middle of the pack defense,

474
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,240
Speaker 2: they were just able to turn it on in the

475
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,919
Speaker 2: fourth quarter. Brunson and Carl were able to do that.

476
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:25,320
Speaker 2: And I think if they do have a little bit

477
00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:29,520
Speaker 2: more of it, a defensive attitude that starts with Mitchell

478
00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:32,800
Speaker 2: Robinson starting and Yabuselee probably coming off the bench, I

479
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:35,880
Speaker 2: think there's enough guys to help their defense. I think

480
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:40,119
Speaker 2: everyone will be fresher and everybody will be into it.

481
00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,840
Speaker 2: This is these are these guys are in their prime.

482
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:46,360
Speaker 2: You know, I'm talking about Jalen and Karl, Anthony Towns

483
00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:50,560
Speaker 2: and Og and mckel bridges. It feels in the Eastern

484
00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:54,000
Speaker 2: Conference that they're going to win fifty five games. It's

485
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:58,879
Speaker 2: just it just feels feels right, especially again with you know,

486
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 2: the the between years of the Celtics and the Pacers.

487
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,160
Speaker 2: I got the over, but maybe a right skates Maybe

488
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 2: this is just a sneaky line. Maybe maybe they don't try.

489
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:12,680
Speaker 2: I don't get it. I honestly, I don't get why

490
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:17,879
Speaker 2: they wouldn't be this good or excuse me, have the

491
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:19,879
Speaker 2: tendency to be like a fifty five to fifty six

492
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:21,120
Speaker 2: win team. I just don't get it.

493
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 4: I mean, Tom Thibodau is a good coach, of course,

494
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,119
Speaker 4: of course, you know, and for as much as we

495
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:29,320
Speaker 4: talk about how shallow he goes with the bench players

496
00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,439
Speaker 4: like that's good for getting regular season wins. That's a

497
00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:35,120
Speaker 4: large part of the reason the Knicks usually overperform. Same

498
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,000
Speaker 4: with the Bulls back in the day. When you play

499
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:38,680
Speaker 4: your best guys all the time, you're going to probably

500
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:42,239
Speaker 4: win more games than you should. Maybe spreading out the

501
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,600
Speaker 4: minutes is better for them long term, especially come playoff time.

502
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 4: But I suppose they could go under on their wins

503
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:49,880
Speaker 4: just from playing their guys less.

504
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:50,880
Speaker 2: That's a fair point.

505
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:51,159
Speaker 3: I mean.

506
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 2: Michael Bridges though, during the season, said you got to

507
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:57,640
Speaker 2: play our guys more, and I think he meant that because, yes,

508
00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:00,320
Speaker 2: they got tired for the postseason, but also because they

509
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 2: got some good guys and they have even more of

510
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,919
Speaker 2: them now special with Mitch and Robinson starring the season

511
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 2: healthy and we'll see what they do as far as

512
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,399
Speaker 2: the buy in for Mike Brown's offense, where Brunson has

513
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 2: to come off the ball a little bit more, a

514
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,640
Speaker 2: little bit more of the Warriors or Calves type, where

515
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:18,359
Speaker 2: it's not just hey, Brunson, you bring up the ball.

516
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 2: Let's get everybody involved. So we'll see if they don't

517
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,719
Speaker 2: like Mike Brown for some odd reason. But I am

518
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:27,159
Speaker 2: looking forward to Carl out there with Gershan Yabuseli, a

519
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 2: guy who shoots threes, to space out the floor for

520
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 2: him as much as possible on those drives and play

521
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:35,200
Speaker 2: five out. I'm just a Yabuseli backer.

522
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 4: You think you're going to call him Carl the whole season, Yeah,

523
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 4: I can't.

524
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 3: He always calls him Carl, straight up.

525
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:43,120
Speaker 2: I'm not going three names. It's just too many names.

526
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 3: How about Towns called him Cat.

527
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:45,880
Speaker 2: Yeah Cat?

528
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 4: Everybody else, yeah yeah, Carl, every time it was Carl.

529
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:57,399
Speaker 2: Well, Reggie Miller calls him Anthony Towns, right, or that

530
00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 2: one's either weirder. I don't know which is weirder out there,

531
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 2: Carl or Anthony Tufts. All right, let's move on to

532
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 2: the Philadelphia seventy six ers. Now, this one is a

533
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 2: pure guests. Another tough one, Another tough one. Linemakers are

534
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 2: doing well? Forty three and a half. Can the Philadelphia

535
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 2: seventy six Ers win basically twenty more games than last year?

536
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 2: They were twenty four and fifty eight last year. Their

537
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 2: line is forty three and a half this year? What

538
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 2: do you think, Trek?

539
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 4: This reminds me of the Clippers line before last season,

540
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 4: where you're like, literally, who's going to be playing? Because

541
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 4: if Paul George and Joel Embiid played their starting five

542
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 4: looks good. Guess what those guys are already question marks

543
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 4: for when they start the season. All of their returning

544
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 4: players this season played sixty or fewer games, like Kelly

545
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,680
Speaker 4: oubre Junior is the high games played man from last

546
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 4: season on this year's Sixers team. Embiid and George played

547
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 4: a total of sixty games last year. I think they'll

548
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 4: play more this year, but literally, who knows? This one

549
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 4: feels like an impossible way to pick on either side

550
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,439
Speaker 4: with confident and not knowing when Embiid and George are

551
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,440
Speaker 4: going to be healthy. Er girl, I'm going under. Things

552
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 4: are already bad for the Sixers. Man, know Jared McCain

553
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 4: is out. We've got the question marks with Embiid and George.

554
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 4: I know Paul George said it can't be as bad

555
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:16,959
Speaker 4: as last year, but it could be the same as

556
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 4: last year.

557
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,119
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, yeah, And when you look at the number

558
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,360
Speaker 2: at forty three and a half, that's a low number. Yeah,

559
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 2: even if it's close to last year, they're winning way

560
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,879
Speaker 2: fewer games than forty three and a half. What do

561
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 2: you think, Skeitz?

562
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 3: I'm leaning under as well. I just could I mean,

563
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 3: I I mean, I basically want to flip a coin

564
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 3: because who knows, But I guess we'll go with what

565
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 3: we've seen over the last little while and just Embeard

566
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 3: struggling to stay healthy and Paul George don't love McCain injured.

567
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,879
Speaker 3: I'm excited for VJ. Edgecumbe. I think this guy's going

568
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,199
Speaker 3: to be an unbelievable highlight from night to night. Very

569
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,680
Speaker 3: excited for that rookie and the possibility of him getting

570
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,399
Speaker 3: an opportunity because of all the injuries. But there's no

571
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 3: way I have confidence in them all playing. Listen, their

572
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,159
Speaker 3: main trio of Embiid, Paul George and MEXI played what

573
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 3: fifteen games together last year? Like, even if we double that,

574
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 3: even if we make it half the season, we still

575
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,159
Speaker 3: might be struggling to get to this overall line. So

576
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 3: give me just under. I think they're going to be in,

577
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 3: you know, that play in sort of category, or maybe

578
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 3: vying for the sixth seed for a good chunk of

579
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 3: the season. But I'll go just under.

580
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, that line of forty three and a half is

581
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,880
Speaker 2: just for seventy six ers fans. I guess to go over.

582
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 2: I mean, who else is really thinking that Embiid and

583
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,160
Speaker 2: Paul George are going to play again as much? It's

584
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 2: just it's just hard to see that happening and be

585
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 2: played nineteen games last year. He's not playing right now.

586
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 2: They think they're I think they're going to go more

587
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 2: with the modern day Kawhi Leonard load management system, which

588
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 2: is sit out October November, December, and play in January

589
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 2: in February. I think that's what unless they want to

590
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 2: try what they did last year, which was play one game,

591
00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,919
Speaker 2: sit to play one game, sit too it. I just

592
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 2: don't know what the over underline is for Joel Embiid

593
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:08,120
Speaker 2: games played. I think that's twenty five thirty. I guess

594
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 2: it's halfway. I guess you would do it halfway, but

595
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 2: I'm taking the under on that one no matter what

596
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:14,959
Speaker 2: it is. Paul George last year played forty one games.

597
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 2: He's not playing right now. He had offseason knee surgery Again,

598
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 2: can he bounce back? Last year was his worst year

599
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 2: in a long time. Is this not exactly the same

600
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 2: as Joel Embi that has these injury issues, but Paul

601
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 2: George had that very traumatizing injury early in his career

602
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 2: a long time, over a decade ago. Is it starting

603
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 2: to catch up to him at this point? I don't know.

604
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm leaning into that a little too hard, but

605
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 2: it's just difficult to see a lot of guys playing

606
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 2: on this team. As you said, Trey, it the leaders

607
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 2: games played last year, it was Ricky Counsel the fourth

608
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 2: who's gone, Gershon Yabuseli who's gone. Those were one two,

609
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 2: and then it's Ubre Adam Bona, Tyres Maxi who played

610
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,719
Speaker 2: fifty two, justin Edwards, and then Paul George was seventh.

611
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 2: And then this year who are going to play those

612
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 2: games at Ubray I guess Grimes will play a good amount.

613
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 2: Fiji Ashcombe and Trendon Watford.

614
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, a silver lining here. I was like Trendon Watford.

615
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 4: That guy had to play a ton of games for

616
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 4: the Nets. Last year they had nothing forty four games.

617
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, he didn't a lot.

618
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 4: Man, It's like the one bargain basement signing they did that.

619
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 4: I was all a little enthused by. And he played

620
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 4: half the season. He's a born Sixer.

621
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 2: So across the board we're going under, I guess on

622
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 2: forty three and a half just seems seems out there.

623
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, hard like, Yes, this is the year for

624
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 4: the Sixers.

625
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think this could be a year too. I

626
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 3: know they make an insane amount of money, both guys

627
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 3: and beating Paul George, but you're taking phone calls from

628
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 3: teams that are maybe trying to get them, Like if

629
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 3: you're Darryl Brie and the Sixers like to trade off

630
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 3: of them, I think it'd be silly to at least

631
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 3: not explore that. But again, I don't think there's all

632
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 3: It wouldn't be great packages for guys that are perpetually injured,

633
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 3: but when healthy or talented and maybe like they're enough

634
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 3: for some of these teams that want to jump up

635
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 3: a level or even you know, with hopes of a championship.

636
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 3: I don't know who, but I'm just saying I wouldn't

637
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 3: be all that shocked if one of those guys has

638
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 3: maybe moved during the season. If it goes to shit again.

639
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can look at their roster and think the

640
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 2: same thing. They have a seemingly a two path system here,

641
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 2: maybe we go. Yeah, but Paul George has this current

642
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 2: this coming year plus two years after that.

643
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 4: Oh I know, well that's I mean, would would not

644
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 4: the Sixers have to add draft picks to get off

645
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 4: like either one of those contracts and.

646
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Speaker 3: Maybe not indeed oddly, but yeah.

647
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, unless Paul George can turn around, because last

648
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 2: year was a bit of an anomaly because he hadn't

649
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 2: been that bad in a long time. So we'll see

650
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 2: what PG can do, and then then he could be

651
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 2: trade worthy for another team. I suppose I.

652
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 4: Would guess that they are both Sixers by the end

653
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 4: of the season, but probably if they have literally two

654
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 4: weeks of good health, they should be in trade rumors.

655
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 2: Okay, let's move on to the Toronto Raptors. The line

656
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 2: is thirty nine and a half coming off a thirty

657
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 2: and fifty two season, skeets, you want to start on

658
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 2: this Toronto Raptors team.

659
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 3: Yeah. Sure. Look before I waive the homer flag, I

660
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 3: want to remind everyone that the last couple of years

661
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 3: I was not high on the Raptors. Then I was

662
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 3: saying pound the under. This team is bad and they're

663
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 3: gonna be bad. So it's not like I'm every year

664
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 3: coming in here going over a little different. This year.

665
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 3: I actually do believe somewhere in this squad is a

666
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Speaker 3: round a five hundred team. Got the line at the

667
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 3: perfect spot of thirty nine and a half. It's gonna

668
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 3: be real close on one side of the other, but

669
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Speaker 3: I'm going to take the over. I think they are like, look,

670
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 3: there's no other Raptors' front office is believing this is

671
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Speaker 3: a five hundred team with the amount of money they've

672
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 3: thrown at it like this. The pre payment for this

673
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 3: team is unreal. So now they need to at least

674
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 3: deliver a borderline playoff team or at least one that's

675
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 3: in the play and you're gonna be around there with

676
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Speaker 3: that record, But I am. I'm excited just to see

677
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 3: them out there and hopefully playing together. And that's what

678
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:10,959
Speaker 3: we get with this team. I guess it's not all

679
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 3: that's dissimilar to like a sixers team or teams that

680
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 3: are perpetually injured. Like we got to see them at

681
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 3: this point the quickly. Obviously the Barns and the Brandon

682
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 3: Ingram and RJ. Barrett as their main four, and then

683
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 3: Pearls there fit like it's a good starting lineup. It'll

684
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 3: be interesting to see what meshes. But I'm in on

685
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 3: just hitting the over, and I am excited for the

686
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 3: articles that will be written about this second unit on

687
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Speaker 3: the Raptors. Give it like four or five weeks, because

688
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 3: there's a lot of dogs, defensive minded guys, and I

689
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 3: think they're gonna like help the Raptors stay in games

690
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 3: and win games with some of those guys. And they're

691
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 3: talking to talk here in the preseason, so I'll go

692
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Speaker 3: just over. I am not saying this is a fifty

693
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 3: win team or anything like that. I think they're flirting

694
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 3: with a five hundred squad here, and I'm excited to see,

695
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 3: really Scotty and Brandon Ingram see how that works.

696
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 2: They do have a lot of dogs. It is funny

697
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 2: when you think the best thing about this team is

698
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 2: saying their names. Most of the time, it's Barnes and

699
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 2: Ingram and RJ Barrett and just saying their whole starring lineup.

700
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 2: It seems to be the most exciting part.

701
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 3: I'm to work together, is the question.

702
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm enthused. But anyways, before I get to my enthusiasm, Trey,

703
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 2: what do you think, Uh.

704
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 4: There's a lot of talent here. Yeah, for sure, they

705
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 4: just have never played together, which is pretty tough to

706
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 4: overlook when the big question is how are all of

707
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 4: these guys gonna fit like you guys keep including r

708
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 4: J Barrett. I think the only way they hit their

709
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 4: over is if they trade them right away, and I

710
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 4: don't think that's gonna happen. Emmanuel Quickly played thirty three

711
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 4: games last year. Brandon Ingram played zero games for the

712
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 4: Raptors last year, and they still won thirty games. They

713
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 4: should be better this year, but ten wins better Brandon

714
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 4: Ingram a ten wins worth player. I don't know about that.

715
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just think the other guys are going to

716
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 2: play now. I'm just assuming. I'm assuming Emmanuel Quickly doesn't

717
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 2: take the floor and Darius gar And gets under him

718
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 2: for a rebound in the first game and knocks him

719
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 2: out and they go down. I just assume that it's

720
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 2: just being positive that these guys are healthy to some

721
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 2: degree that there is going to be a year where

722
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 2: they play basketball. They have been playing together since the

723
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 2: beginning of September or something like that. It's been a

724
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 2: long time. I'm just enthused by their enthusiasm about playing together.

725
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 2: Like these guys seem like they want to play ball together,

726
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 2: as in they're going to allow the other guy to shine.

727
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 2: It sounds like a squad. Scottie Barnes is not going

728
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 2: to be the go to guy. Here's a ball dark

729
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 2: and Milichich said as much. And he's a dark Ryako. Yeah,

730
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, milic Wow, once you say darko, it's kind

731
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 2: of hard to say he is the number one Darko.

732
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 2: But he said he's going to be on the ball less,

733
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 2: which I think is great. You come in for those

734
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 2: little seal on post ups, the dunker spot, that kind

735
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 2: of thing. Give the ball to Brandon Ingram Emmanuel quickly

736
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 2: also said, I think I can average ten threes per

737
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 2: game and watch them. A lot of them are to

738
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 2: be catch and shoot. They're all dependent on each other. RJ.

739
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 2: Barrett is excited to play as not just the go

740
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,359
Speaker 2: to guy on a team. Is a guy who you know,

741
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,839
Speaker 2: sets up other guys, allows others to take pressure off him.

742
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 2: So it's optimism time with all those four guys. If

743
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 2: they allow each other to do their thing and they're

744
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 2: deep enough, I think Scotty is just going to do

745
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 2: so many good things. If Brandon Ingram is the leading

746
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 2: point scorer on this team like he has been before

747
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,280
Speaker 2: in his career, and Scotty can play off the ball,

748
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 2: do a ton of things like that, set up his

749
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 2: defensive side of the ball because he's not gonna have

750
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 2: to do as much offensively. And then all those dogs,

751
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,720
Speaker 2: as you said, skeets so many dogs. Name some dogs,

752
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 2: Jamal shed Oh, Colin Earle, Calin.

753
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:48,359
Speaker 3: Murray, Bolls Already, guy's an elite defender. I know, I'm

754
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 3: like drinking the preseason juice here, but he's legit defensive guy.

755
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 3: So he'll have it be a second unit guy that's

756
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 3: going to shut down guys.

757
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:59,320
Speaker 2: They've got a near seven foot dog in Mam Kevin Steely.

758
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 2: He's less of a dog than the other guys, but

759
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 2: there's enough dogs on that second you did, I mean,

760
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 2: we're gonna talk about Grady Deck weredn't talk about Kobe

761
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 2: Walter Jonathan Mobo more of a dog than those last

762
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 2: two guys I mentioned, but he can be added to

763
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 2: the dog pound.

764
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,280
Speaker 3: He can't be the reason why this line is maybe

765
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 3: high to some like thirty nine and a half is

766
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,399
Speaker 3: pretty simple. Like last year, it couldn't have started worse.

767
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 3: Barnes and Quickly were out early. They missed extended time

768
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,320
Speaker 3: in November and December, and the Raptors started like seven

769
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 3: and twenty six by the new year. After that, they

770
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,879
Speaker 3: actually ended on a positive note. They were a five

771
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 3: hundred team. They were like twenty two and twenty one

772
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 3: over the final half of the season, and for had

773
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 3: a defensive identity like it jumped from like twenty sixth

774
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 3: to second in defensive rating. I get it. It's Mickey

775
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 3: Mouse March time and all that, and people are taking

776
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,879
Speaker 3: their foot off the gas, but there is something there.

777
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 3: And so now the hope is adding Brandon Ingram and

778
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 3: adding quickly, like you said, shooting like maybe ten threes

779
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 3: a game. They need to hit threes. This team stinks

780
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 3: at shooting threes and hitting them, so they need quick

781
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 3: in there. Firing away Ingram has added a little bit

782
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 3: more to his game from the three point line that's

783
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 3: got to continue. And then Grady Dick does need to

784
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 3: stretch the floor and hit threes if he's probably as

785
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 3: in the second unit. So that's all we're asking a

786
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 3: lot here. But that's the reason I think that the

787
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 3: line is what it's at. There was like glimpses of

788
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 3: it last year, and now you've got more talent and

789
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 3: now it's up to to Darko, the third best Darko.

790
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 3: There is Milicic and Donnie to make it work. And

791
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 3: I think that's where we'll get here, a five hundred team.

792
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 3: And look, that's the expectation, Like this is an expensive team, Trey.

793
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 3: You've said a million times it is, so at least

794
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 3: has to be flirting with a playoff position and that

795
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 3: like Darko's gone if they can't get around five hundred,

796
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 3: Like there's this is such a proven year for the

797
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 3: coach and a lot of these players, and I guess

798
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 3: I'm banking on that they put it together.

799
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're saving some money by five ring Masai u Jeri,

800
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:05,399
Speaker 2: but they decided, yeah, this is what they're going with,

801
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 2: and yes, so this is a team that could make

802
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,919
Speaker 2: a deal. And Bobby Webster was kind of indirect about

803
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 2: that but basically saying we'll feel it out, but it

804
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 2: could feel like a team that trades RJ Barrett most

805
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 2: likely that would be the guy of the three Yeah,

806
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 2: mid range play.

807
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 3: Bobby Webster also said that r J.

808
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 4: Barrett needs to improve his offense, his defense, and his

809
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:28,280
Speaker 4: rebounding that media day, so I don't think he's maybe

810
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 4: the biggest man and would help their roster to move

811
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 4: him for a guy who can shoot from the outside

812
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 4: or give Grady Dick a little bit more space. I'm

813
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,839
Speaker 4: going to go under here, like thirty nine to thirty

814
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 4: eight wins sounds about right to me. I think they'll

815
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 4: be better this year, but I don't know if it

816
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:43,839
Speaker 4: translates to an over, so A'll go slide under.

817
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:48,960
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857
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:11,760
Speaker 2: let's move on. We've got ten teams to get through.

858
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 2: Since the Atlantic Division took a little bit of time,

859
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 2: let's move on to the Central. It's your team, Trey,

860
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 2: the Chicago Bulls. Yes, their line is thirty two and

861
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 2: a half, coming off a year where they're thirty nine

862
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 2: and forty three. Quite the drop off in numbers.

863
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,399
Speaker 4: What do you think well, thirty nine and forty three.

864
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 4: That of course includes going fifteen and seven during Mickey

865
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 4: Mouse March, and I don't.

866
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 3: Believe it April.

867
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,760
Speaker 4: The only real change for the Bulls this season is

868
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 4: isaacacorro In, Lonzo ball Out. Even look at their veterans

869
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 4: who might get traded during the season, talking about Avouch,

870
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 4: maybe Kobe whyet Io Deasumu, even Zach Collins. These are

871
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,399
Speaker 4: guys who I think, if they're traded, probably don't move

872
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:56,800
Speaker 4: the needle. Wins wise all that much for the Bulls.

873
00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 4: Dissimilar to me to last year when they traded zach Lavine,

874
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 4: he was kind of like, clearly the best guy. There's

875
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:04,879
Speaker 4: just some guys on this team. I think there will

876
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 4: be less surprise for the Bulls this season. Last year,

877
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 4: after the DeRozan and Levigne era with DeRozan gone, even

878
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 4: with that, zach Lavine still around and then even more

879
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 4: so once he got traded, they played super fast, shot

880
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 4: a ton of threes, finished the year third and three pointers.

881
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 4: Last season. People will be more ready for it this year.

882
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 4: The team I think is worse, but the number is

883
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,919
Speaker 4: so low thirty two and a half wins, so I'm

884
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:34,879
Speaker 4: goaling barely over this year, barely over.

885
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,839
Speaker 3: I was I was envious of this thirty two and a half.

886
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 4: I was like, why can't this be the Raptors totally

887
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 4: You're telling me the Bulls are that much worse.

888
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 3: Than the Raptors. I mean, yeah, I know, I was.

889
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 3: I was a little shocked that the Raptors was maybe

890
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 3: as high as it was and this was as low

891
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 3: as it was. I don't think I've correctly predicted a

892
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 3: Bulls over underline. Ever, I'm always wrong. I was wrong

893
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 3: last year, I was wrong the year before that, and

894
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 3: I'll probably be wrong again. So Trey will not be

895
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 3: happy to hear me say I'm taking the over as well.

896
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 3: This seals it feels very very low in a crappy,

897
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 3: crappy Eastern Conference where there's just a lot of somewhat

898
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:13,839
Speaker 3: easy wins to pick up here against some of these

899
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 3: bad teams, and they're like they got their little core,

900
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 3: the little nucleus of their twenty five years or younger guys,

901
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 3: and Gideon White and boozellis like there's something there basically

902
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 3: the same team, like Trey said, but that should still

903
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 3: be a thirty five win team to me, So I'm

904
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 3: taking the over. This one's a weird line to me.

905
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 2: Tests it is a weird line. Do they know something?

906
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 2: Are all the Bulls fans saying, wow, seven fewer wins

907
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,839
Speaker 2: than last year? Of course I'm taking the over. That's

908
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,919
Speaker 2: the part where I think if other teams are looking

909
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:49,959
Speaker 2: at last year and saying, Okay, this team's gonna run.

910
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:53,720
Speaker 2: They're just such a pace based team. Can we play

911
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,760
Speaker 2: with them and slow them down a little bit, because

912
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 2: that's how you beat the Bulls. They're not going to

913
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 2: stop their defense. Stunk, yes, across across the board, every

914
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 2: single stat their bat. So then they go and get

915
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 2: Isaac Accorra, who's literally their best defender. Can he be

916
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 2: a guy who just instills defense? It's hard to imagine that.

917
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:19,320
Speaker 2: I think Iodasumo got injured late in the season. Maybe

918
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 2: him working his way back would help because he's been

919
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 2: training for a long time. Maybe that helps on the ball.

920
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:29,760
Speaker 2: But at the same time, you're gonna play with Gidea

921
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 2: ton Probably not so this thirty two and a half

922
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 2: is a good line. Really, it's Isaac Accorro in their

923
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 2: draft pic, Noah senge In and Lonzo ball Out, so

924
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 2: it's such a similar team. But does it all come

925
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 2: down to March? Really this was gonna happen? Are they

926
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 2: just are they able to turn it? What was this

927
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 2: the line or the record n during the.

928
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:53,839
Speaker 4: Last two months of the season. And that's why I'm

929
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 4: ultimately going over. You know, the Bulls are going to

930
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 4: care about winning those games when they probably should be

931
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 4: going the way and trying to get better lottery odds.

932
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 4: That's not how it's going to be. They're going to

933
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 4: try and make it back to the play in. I

934
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 4: saw over on Fandel they're a plus one eighty five

935
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 4: to make the play in. As that fan told us

936
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 4: at Summer League, we love the tenth seed. That seems

937
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 4: like a given right there, that the Bulls are going

938
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 4: to finish tenth in the Eastern Conference after back to

939
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 4: back years finishing all the way up at ninth.

940
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, all you do, all you have to do is

941
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 2: finish tenth. You gotta be better than five teams in

942
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 2: the Eastern Conference.

943
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 4: I don't think there's five teams that it's a lock

944
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 4: the no, no, no, no no. But they're going to care

945
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 4: a lot during the last third of the season.

946
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Hornets, nets Wizards, I'd say, are the teams

947
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 2: that are yeah, exactent destined to be at the bottom,

948
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 2: but there's not five locks. No, no, I totally agree

949
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 2: with that, But.

950
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 3: I want to know. I want to know from Trey

951
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 3: what like what a year looks like for Bozellis or

952
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 3: what a good year looks like from Bozelli's for you,

953
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 3: Because he did look strong to end the season. Again,

954
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 3: it's classic at the end of it, but he like

955
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:57,760
Speaker 3: looked good over the final twenty game. Shot the ball well,

956
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 3: But where do you see like him going? What's his ceiling?

957
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 4: I guess all right. He finished the season averaging eight

958
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 4: and a half points per game. I want to see

959
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 4: him at twelve to thirteen points per game. I would

960
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:10,800
Speaker 4: like to see the three pointer stay at least thirty

961
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 4: six percent that's what he shot last year. If he

962
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 4: can shoot league average, I think that's awesome. Take more

963
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 4: of them, give us some highlights, and be a guy

964
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 4: who we mention at the end of the season as

965
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 4: an All Defense team snub. I think it's asking a

966
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 4: lot for him to make it to second team All Defense,

967
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 4: but I would like him to be one of the

968
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 4: guys who would make third team or maybe fourth team

969
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 4: All Defense if they did that.

970
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 3: That's what I'm excited about.

971
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:40,360
Speaker 4: Can Mats Boozellis be a fourth team All Defense player

972
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 4: this year?

973
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 3: I hope.

974
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 2: So it is a strange season in Chicago.

975
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:48,919
Speaker 4: Yeah, not a lot of bulls talk at the wedding, unfortunately.

976
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,800
Speaker 2: What was the talk about any any Cubs.

977
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:56,799
Speaker 4: Cubs blowing it against the Brewers? Of course, you know

978
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 4: they went up one zero in the first inning and

979
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 4: then it was over by the end of the bottom

980
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 4: the first Inny.

981
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Brewers. I just saw it. We got it going,

982
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 2: They got it going on right now, all right? Moving

983
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 2: on to the Cleveland Cavaliers. Also an interesting line here

984
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:14,359
Speaker 2: at fifty six and a half after going sixty four

985
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 2: and eighteen last season, and they're running back a very

986
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 2: very similar team. Trey starts off here. What do you think, Yeah, no.

987
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 4: Ti Jerome, no Isaacacoro. But you are getting Lonzo ball in.

988
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,399
Speaker 4: We'll see exactly how much he's able to play. Full

989
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 4: season of DeAndre Hunter as well, one of the like

990
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 4: the most forgettable guys. When I'm looking at the Rosters,

991
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, yeah, they did trade for DeAndre Hunter.

992
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 4: He did play for them last year. It was a

993
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 4: big deal when it happened. I think they'll probably need

994
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 4: a little bit more from him, especially with Darius Garland

995
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 4: banged up to start the season Max Struce banged up

996
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:49,839
Speaker 4: to start the season. It feels like DeAndre Hunter, at

997
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 4: least in the early goings, will be important for the Calves.

998
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 4: But yeah, sixty four wins down to fifty six and

999
00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 4: a half, I'm probably still going over. Even though I

1000
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 4: think the Calves will prioritize the postseason more than they

1001
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 4: did last year when they ripped off a huge win

1002
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 4: streak to start the year and focused really hard on

1003
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 4: getting the number one seed, I don't think chasing wins

1004
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 4: is as much in the cards.

1005
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:15,319
Speaker 3: You also look at how healthy they were last year.

1006
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 4: Eighty two games for Jared Allen, seventy five for Garland,

1007
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 4: seventy one for Donovan Mitchell, seventy one for Evan Mobley.

1008
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 4: A couple of those guys are younger, so I assume

1009
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 4: they'll play quite a few games like Mobley is, but

1010
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 4: Garland being banged up, I don't think that's encouraging. Jared

1011
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,359
Speaker 4: Allen does play a lot of games. Mitchell seem to

1012
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:35,399
Speaker 4: manage his body pretty well. But if any of those

1013
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 4: guys misses extended time, the Calves look a little worse.

1014
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 4: That'd being said, like, I don't think they're going to

1015
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 4: lose that many more games this year, so I'm still

1016
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 4: sticking with the over, though. I do think they will

1017
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:47,959
Speaker 4: be under sixty wins this year.

1018
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 2: Okay, line fifty six and a half. Yeah, Skeets, what

1019
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 2: do you think?

1020
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 3: Okay, I'll swerve. I guess a little bit from Tray,

1021
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 3: I'll go just under. I mean all for all the

1022
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 3: reasons he just said, I think it's going to be

1023
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:02,839
Speaker 3: around fifty five, fifty six, maybe even They're just they

1024
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 3: had the perfect season. Hold on, they had the perfect

1025
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 3: regular season last year. They scored a ton of points.

1026
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 3: I read that they scored the eighth most points in

1027
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 3: NBA history on their way to sixty four wins. Apparently

1028
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 3: they scored ninety nine points. Man, somebody couldn't hit one

1029
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 3: more free throw to make that a cool ten k.

1030
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 3: But they led their conference for like the entirety of

1031
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 3: the year, one hundred and sixty five straight days. They

1032
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 3: had three All Stars, they had the Coach of the Year,

1033
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 3: they had Defensive Player of the Year, and then you know,

1034
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 3: they got banged up once again in the postseason. You know,

1035
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 3: in twenty four it was Alan and Mitchell missing multiple

1036
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 3: games against the Celtics. Last May, it's Garland, Mobley Hunter.

1037
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:45,439
Speaker 3: They're all missing time in the Semis to the Pacers loss.

1038
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 3: So they need to flip that and get guys injured

1039
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 3: in the regular season and then all be healthy come

1040
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:52,919
Speaker 3: the postseason. I think they're going to play the long

1041
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 3: game here, and with these injuries coming in, I think

1042
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 3: they're not just going to be the starting as hot

1043
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 3: as they did, so got to go just under. They're

1044
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 3: still gonna be one of the best teams in the

1045
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 3: Eastern Conference, but not sixty plus like Trey said, So

1046
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 3: I'll go just under.

1047
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 2: You mentioned the injuries being a problem. I do think

1048
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 2: that Darius garland injury to start here this season could

1049
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:15,439
Speaker 2: be a bit of a blessing because this team needs

1050
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:19,840
Speaker 2: to do more than just give Garland and Donovan Mitchell

1051
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 2: the ball to finish games. It's got to go through

1052
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 2: Evan Mobley a heck of a lot more. Now, that

1053
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily mean not ton more regular season wins, but

1054
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 2: this team will focus on what they have to be

1055
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 2: in the playoffs, and they have to be a more

1056
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:35,359
Speaker 2: versatile team ev Mobley just wasn't used enough last year.

1057
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 2: He just got it, has to be given the ball,

1058
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 2: he has to be unleashed a little bit. This number

1059
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 2: is crazy when you look at their clutch situations. Their

1060
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 2: usage rates were Donovan Mitchell thirty seven point seven, Darius

1061
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 2: Garland twenty eight percent, and Evan Mobley just eleven point

1062
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 2: nine percent. And then when it came to that series

1063
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 2: against the Pacers, Pacers knew what was going on here.

1064
00:50:56,200 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 2: They were just ready for this team. And so that

1065
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 2: fifty six and a half win Mark. I think they

1066
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 2: can beat it and they're not going to crush it

1067
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 2: like last year because Garland is out. I think that

1068
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 2: does hurt. But Lonzo Ball, who's going to get a

1069
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 2: ton of minutes because Garland is out. We'll do a

1070
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 2: good job of sharing the ball. It's his job. I mean,

1071
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 2: they essentially went Lonzo Ball over Ty Jerome because they

1072
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 2: number one. They needed a ball mover and I guy

1073
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:30,399
Speaker 2: who could play fourth quarters. And in the end they said,

1074
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:32,799
Speaker 2: by to Jerome, we're keeping Sam Maryll. They paid him

1075
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 2: and they got Lonzo Ball. So I think they know

1076
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 2: what they have to be. They got to be the

1077
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 2: team that moves the ball more so, I think I

1078
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 2: don't see a problem with all those guys plus DeAndre

1079
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 2: Hunter there for a full season. As Kenny Atkinson said,

1080
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 2: you can argue that he is our best player this offseason.

1081
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:51,719
Speaker 3: Cool, God, that I'll pound me under.

1082
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is making me less confident.

1083
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 2: God, I know you're not a DeAndrea Hunter fans skis,

1084
00:51:57,640 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 2: but Ray.

1085
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 3: Forgot he even plays on his team. He's a forgetable guy.

1086
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, he had his best season last year. I know

1087
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:06,760
Speaker 2: you don't like the fact that he can't play games.

1088
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 2: He's usually injured. He was injured with the Atlanta Hawks.

1089
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 2: Then he got traded to Cleveland, who look like a

1090
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 2: new player. Although you know he was great coming off

1091
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 2: the bench for the the Cox last year and then

1092
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:24,319
Speaker 2: now he's entering his prime. So he doesn't have to

1093
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 2: be much of a player there because everybody else is

1094
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:28,319
Speaker 2: going to take Which is it?

1095
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 4: Man, does he need to me doesn't need to be

1096
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 4: much of a player, or he was the best guy

1097
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:32,919
Speaker 4: in calvs training camp?

1098
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know. I'm not watching the training camp.

1099
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 2: In training camp, he doesn't have to he doesn't have

1100
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 2: to be here.

1101
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:41,720
Speaker 3: I might be I might be changing up here.

1102
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 4: I might be changing up here with this DeAndre.

1103
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 2: Hunter pitch because Kenny Atkinson said he's our best player. Yeah,

1104
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 2: I'm not pitching him. He's a good player. He's a

1105
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 2: good he's a good basketball player. He was fourth and

1106
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 2: six man voting last year. That's all. That's all you

1107
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 2: need to hear.

1108
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 4: And they have him for a full year, so they

1109
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:02,840
Speaker 4: need him to be good for him and he was

1110
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:04,439
Speaker 4: good for the Hawks at the beginning of the year

1111
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:06,760
Speaker 4: last year. But the clutch thing is kind of interesting

1112
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:09,800
Speaker 4: because the reason Darius Garland and Donovan Mitchell got the

1113
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 4: ball so much in the clutch is because they were

1114
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 4: great at it. They both finished top ten in Clutch

1115
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 4: Player of the Year voting last year. I can't believe

1116
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 4: Garland actually finished higher than Mitchell, but he made a

1117
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 4: lot of big shots late. So I do think if

1118
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:23,840
Speaker 4: the Cavs are wanting to prioritize the playoffs, which they

1119
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 4: should because they've kind of flamed out these past couple

1120
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:28,799
Speaker 4: of years and they need Evan Mobley to be more

1121
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 4: empowered come playoff time, that would mean that they are

1122
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 4: turning down better clutch options in Garland and Mitchell to

1123
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,760
Speaker 4: build up Evan Mobley, which is bad for their regular

1124
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 4: season win total, even if it's good for the team

1125
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 4: in the long run. So I'll stick with my over

1126
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 4: but I'm not feeling good about it.

1127
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, they'll definitely finish a lot closer to that fifty

1128
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 2: six and a half win total because of that than

1129
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 2: they did last year at sixty four and eighteen. Being said,

1130
00:53:56,960 --> 00:54:01,800
Speaker 2: it's such a similar team, why should they be dramatically worse?

1131
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:03,760
Speaker 2: I know Garland's not playing.

1132
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, Ty Jerome was like Steve Nash last year as well.

1133
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 4: I couldn't miss he was good. He was good coming

1134
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 4: off the bench, all right. Moving on to the Detroit Pistons,

1135
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:16,959
Speaker 4: who were everybody's Cinderella last year. They finished forty four

1136
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 4: and thirty eight. This year their number is forty six

1137
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 4: and a half.

1138
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 2: Skeets. What do you think of this over under number?

1139
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:27,920
Speaker 3: Good line, Well played Vegas. You know, they didn't go

1140
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 3: crazy with it, didn't even keep it the same, just

1141
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:34,399
Speaker 3: a couple wins more than last year, where they went

1142
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 3: from the worst team in the league to clinching a

1143
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 3: playoff spot, which was pretty impressive. They've added Kris LeVert

1144
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:45,800
Speaker 3: Duncan Robinson sort of to replace Malik Beasley. Javonte Greens.

1145
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:50,320
Speaker 3: There lost Tim Hardaway, Junior shrewder Tecchio Waters the third,

1146
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 3: so just the round the fringes. They are adding a

1147
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 3: fully recovered Jaden Ivy, which is exciting. I think that's

1148
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:57,839
Speaker 3: going to really give them a nice boost. Should take

1149
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 3: some pressure off Kate Cunningham. He has a super high usage.

1150
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 3: He should He's awesome. But the one knock against Kate

1151
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:07,320
Speaker 3: is he's sort of sloppy with the ball at times

1152
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 3: and the turnovers are high. So maybe that sort of

1153
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 3: like is a little more kept in check with Ivy

1154
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:15,240
Speaker 3: back in the fold, maybe as a secondary ball handler.

1155
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 3: I guess I struggle with where to go over under

1156
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:21,720
Speaker 3: here when I go, okay, which of the three teams

1157
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 3: of the Pistons, the Hawks, and the Magic are like

1158
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 3: you expecting to jump up sort of into the top

1159
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:31,959
Speaker 3: of the Eastern Conference picture if any of those three,

1160
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:34,400
Speaker 3: are you picking one of the three? Two of the

1161
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:37,319
Speaker 3: three zero three? Whatever? So I'm like going back and

1162
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 3: forth here, and because of all that, I'm shocking myself here.

1163
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 3: As much as I love this team, I'm gonna take

1164
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:46,839
Speaker 3: the under. And I really truly believe they're going to

1165
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 3: win forty six games. So I am saying just under,

1166
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 3: but I think a lot of people, maybe you guys included,

1167
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 3: are gonna pull me over and say, no, this is

1168
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 3: just a team growing. An All NBA guard in kid

1169
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:03,240
Speaker 3: leading your team, and then guys like Thompson and Duran

1170
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:06,279
Speaker 3: and Hallin and just everybody sort of improving as they

1171
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 3: get a little more reps in the league. So I

1172
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:10,400
Speaker 3: get it, but I'm I'm swerving. I think I think

1173
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 3: a lot of people are gonna be on the over,

1174
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 3: and I'll go just under on Detroit Trey.

1175
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 2: What do you think?

1176
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:16,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm under as well. I think this is basically

1177
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 4: the same team as last year, and last year was

1178
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 4: the big jump. They won thirty more games than their

1179
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:24,879
Speaker 4: disaster season when they had Monty Williams there in twenty

1180
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 4: three twenty four, So you know, progress isn't always linear.

1181
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 4: Going from fourteen to forty four wins doesn't mean you're

1182
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 4: going to fifty four wins. I think they have very

1183
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:37,880
Speaker 4: similar talent. Like to me, Duncan Robinson can replace the

1184
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 4: shooting that it got from Malik Beasley last season from

1185
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:46,240
Speaker 4: Tim Hardaway junior. The question then becomes, can Jaden Ivy

1186
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 4: do what Beasley and Shrewd were doing from a ball

1187
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 4: handling standpoint and hitting clutch shots. Maybe I think we

1188
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:56,239
Speaker 4: haven't totally seen that, but in the thirty games he

1189
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:59,919
Speaker 4: played last year, he looked pretty solid alongside Caid Kunn.

1190
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:02,759
Speaker 4: So I think the Pistons can be a little bit

1191
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 4: better this year and still go under, still have a

1192
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 4: quality season. Last year was just such an aberration to

1193
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 4: jump up that high that I think it's unlikely they

1194
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 4: have a similar provement this year. So give me like

1195
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 4: a barely under like forty five forty six wins. I

1196
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 4: think is still a good year for the Pistons. That's

1197
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 4: just unfortunately and under for them. When you're making the.

1198
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 2: Pick, yeah, I'm with you. I guess people who watch

1199
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 2: this team realize, you know, they don't have to jump

1200
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 2: up a ton of wins to be a better team.

1201
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 2: That's what it comes down to. I still think they

1202
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 2: can finish around that forty six win mark. I just

1203
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 2: think they are banking in a lot of young players

1204
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 2: in new roles, and that's what it comes down to.

1205
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 2: Jade and Ivy could be really good in catching shoots

1206
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 2: with Kate Cunningham. Sure that could work, but this is

1207
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 2: the first time they were really playing together with Kate

1208
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 2: being that number one guy in a serious role here

1209
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 2: because Ivy's role is going to jump up, especially with

1210
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 2: Malik Beasley. Gun Asar Thompson is a similar thing where

1211
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 2: he played in short little spurts last year coming off

1212
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 2: the blood clot. Now he's going to play even longer minutes,

1213
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:10,440
Speaker 2: which is good in the long run, but maybe it

1214
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 2: doesn't result in four more wins. Essentially, they have so

1215
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:16,479
Speaker 2: many young guys, they're going to rely more on Jalen Durham,

1216
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:19,919
Speaker 2: Ron Holland as well, and then they have to do

1217
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 2: what they didn't do last year is rely on somebody

1218
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:28,400
Speaker 2: to be Dennis Shruder. Essentially, Destruder was a ton I

1219
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 2: had a ton of ball handling possessions at the end

1220
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:34,160
Speaker 2: of games. Now it's carsel Vert I think is going

1221
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 2: to be that guy. And Bicker or bj Biker Staff

1222
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 2: Bigger Staff has a ton of connection with Kerselvert going

1223
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 2: back to his Cleveland days that he will work for him.

1224
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 2: But I mean this is different. This is different than

1225
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 2: Dennis Shruterer. So I don't know, there's just question marks

1226
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 2: that you go into the season. He didn't have last year,

1227
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 2: and Ken Duncan Robinson really be as good as Malik Beasley.

1228
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 2: I think that's a fair question. We haven't seen as

1229
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 2: good a year from Duncan Robinson as we did Blake

1230
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 2: Beasley last year. That guy was just.

1231
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 3: Beasley hit like nearly three hundred and twenty threes last year.

1232
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 4: We haven't seen the Lake Beasley have a season like

1233
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 4: that before last year.

1234
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 2: Yes, that was a spectacular year. So it's going to

1235
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 2: be a lot on dunk. Yeah, just a lot of

1236
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:21,680
Speaker 2: moving parts here with this team that obviously is going

1237
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 2: to be led by Kate. The guy expects to win

1238
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 2: and they're going to have a winning record. But jumping

1239
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 2: up to five, it has to.

1240
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 4: Be the number two guy. I'm sorry. If it's Kris

1241
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:32,600
Speaker 4: Lavert as the second guy soaking up possessions in fourth

1242
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 4: quarters alongside Caid Cunningham, something's gone wrong because this is

1243
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 4: the year we need to really see something from.

1244
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:38,920
Speaker 3: IVY year four.

1245
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 4: You know, Caid had an injury year where they didn't

1246
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 4: get to play together. Then Ivy had an injury year

1247
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 4: where they didn't get to play together. This year, he

1248
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:50,360
Speaker 4: needs to play like seventy games, stay on the court alongside.

1249
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:51,320
Speaker 3: Caid Cunningham and show us what you got is the

1250
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 3: number two man.

1251
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is his year. There's no doubt. I do

1252
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:57,840
Speaker 2: think Kris Livertz sort of just overlooked as a player.

1253
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:01,240
Speaker 2: Deni Shruder was relied on last year, got moved and

1254
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:03,880
Speaker 2: we'll see if Karaslovert can replace that. But it is

1255
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:06,680
Speaker 2: good to see j and Abby back playing basketball after

1256
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 2: he was I mean, he was taken out by Cole

1257
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 2: Anthony last year, so this is it's good to see

1258
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 2: him play. But it again, these are this is a

1259
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:19,240
Speaker 2: new connection between him and Kate. Moving on, the Pistons do.

1260
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:21,600
Speaker 3: Feel like a team just before we move on, where

1261
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 3: like you guys are saying, if they have a similar

1262
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 3: record to last year, I don't think that's like a failure, right,

1263
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:28,720
Speaker 3: I think like that's building on something. I think you'd

1264
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:32,160
Speaker 3: want to see some incremental win increases and maybe some

1265
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 3: more another great fight in the playoffs or maybe even

1266
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:37,080
Speaker 3: winning a playoff series. Who knows. But like I guess

1267
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 3: what we're getting out here is even if we say

1268
01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 3: the under I don't think that's bad by any means.

1269
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:44,600
Speaker 3: Like they have obviously their superstar guy in Kate, and

1270
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:46,920
Speaker 3: then these other really good talented guys and they're hoping,

1271
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 3: Like Trace said, Ivy is the secondary guy and then

1272
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:52,560
Speaker 3: you've got all your other guys. So I just want

1273
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 3: to make that clear, like I don't think this is

1274
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 3: like a knock on them, and I think they're one

1275
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:57,080
Speaker 3: of the weird teams, like they cant have a similar

1276
01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:59,000
Speaker 3: year And people are like, oh, that's great, that's not

1277
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:01,840
Speaker 3: bad as long as there's some internal growth that we're

1278
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:02,880
Speaker 3: seeing from the team.

1279
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:08,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, it'll be fun to see people either

1280
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:11,720
Speaker 2: love or hate on the Detroit business. It's bound to happen.

1281
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:16,600
Speaker 2: But they have so many capable players. We'll see what

1282
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 2: they can do under JB. Bickersteph. Let's move on to

1283
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 2: the Indiana Pacers. It's a very interesting team here. Last

1284
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:24,800
Speaker 2: year going fifty and thirty two, they're lying now at

1285
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 2: thirty seven and a half way lower. I know when

1286
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 2: you did our we did our mailbag show recently, Tray,

1287
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 2: you said this team is going to be that overachieving

1288
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:37,040
Speaker 2: team next year. What do you think now?

1289
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:39,440
Speaker 4: It's even crazier that I'm looking at this. The Celtics

1290
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:41,919
Speaker 4: went from sixty one wins down to their over under

1291
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:45,000
Speaker 4: being forty one wins. You're saying fifty wins last year

1292
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 4: for Indiana, and they are lost Tyrese Haliburton, they lost

1293
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:50,640
Speaker 4: Miles Turner, and theirs is only dropping down to thirty seven,

1294
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 4: which is why I'm going with the over here. I

1295
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:55,560
Speaker 4: do think this is the biggest change up team in

1296
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:59,360
Speaker 4: the league. Like Halliburton defines that offense, he is the

1297
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:02,800
Speaker 4: general of most of their good looks. He's completely their

1298
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:06,280
Speaker 4: identity on that end. Losing him completely changes the way

1299
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:09,120
Speaker 4: Indiana is even going to approach the offensive side of

1300
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:11,280
Speaker 4: the ball and the defensive side. Miles Turner was their

1301
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:14,720
Speaker 4: center for literally ten straight years, so another change on

1302
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:18,200
Speaker 4: that side. But Rick Carlisle in the twenty three seasons

1303
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:21,120
Speaker 4: he's coached in the NBA, He's only had thirty seven

1304
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:24,440
Speaker 4: or fewer wins in seven of those seasons. I just

1305
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:28,560
Speaker 4: think there's enough good players left on the Pacers to

1306
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:32,520
Speaker 4: win thirty eight or more games, So give me the over.

1307
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:36,200
Speaker 4: I'm a Pascal Siakam believer. I think Nemhard is capable

1308
01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:38,160
Speaker 4: of more and they're going to need more from him.

1309
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:41,320
Speaker 4: And you know, Ben Mathrin is basically in a contract

1310
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 4: year trying to prove that he is worth keeping around

1311
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:47,400
Speaker 4: his long term piece for the Pacers. So I think

1312
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:49,680
Speaker 4: they will be back to full strength for the twenty

1313
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:52,320
Speaker 4: five to twenty sixth season. They'll be looking good then.

1314
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:56,440
Speaker 4: But in the meantime, I think probably playing for the Pacers,

1315
01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 4: but still a good enough team. So give me the

1316
01:02:59,040 --> 01:02:59,480
Speaker 4: over here.

1317
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:01,840
Speaker 2: It's thirty seven and a half for a team that

1318
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:04,480
Speaker 2: just went to the finals. What do you think?

1319
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:08,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I contemplated going under because they did lose their

1320
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:11,200
Speaker 3: like two of their best players, one to injury and

1321
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:13,440
Speaker 3: then the other in sort of a shocking free agency

1322
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 3: move in Myles Turner leaving from Milwaukee. But I just

1323
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:20,280
Speaker 3: love all their guys still, and I think we're gonna

1324
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:24,720
Speaker 3: have like a most improved race between Nemhard and Mathern.

1325
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:27,240
Speaker 3: I mean, that's good. That's a season's going well probably

1326
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:29,479
Speaker 3: for Indy if that is the case, and those guys

1327
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:33,080
Speaker 3: are like in the top five for MIP votes. Siakam

1328
01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:36,360
Speaker 3: is a lead guy. We've seen it as Raptors fans.

1329
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:38,560
Speaker 3: You know, it has its limitations, but we have a

1330
01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:42,760
Speaker 3: very low line here. I'm going just over. They're gonna

1331
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:46,080
Speaker 3: be a playing team. They're well coached, you know, they're

1332
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:48,520
Speaker 3: gonna have obviously their system in place, and they just

1333
01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:51,000
Speaker 3: still like, are this team feels still better to me

1334
01:03:51,120 --> 01:03:54,280
Speaker 3: somehow than the Raptors than the Bulls. I guess we

1335
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:56,440
Speaker 3: could debate about the box and stuff like that, but

1336
01:03:56,880 --> 01:03:59,240
Speaker 3: they're not. They're not. There's no way we're sliding them

1337
01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:01,840
Speaker 3: down to the low here of the Eastern Conference. They're

1338
01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:05,000
Speaker 3: in the middle, and I like a lot of guys,

1339
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:07,200
Speaker 3: So I'll go just over with Trey. I'm with the

1340
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:07,640
Speaker 3: on this one.

1341
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:09,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's easy to buy into this team after watching

1342
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:13,160
Speaker 2: them go essentially nine to ten deep into the NBA

1343
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:15,440
Speaker 2: Finals and say, well that guy whoa, oh we top it,

1344
01:04:15,640 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 2: whoa everybody contributing off the bench. Will they just get

1345
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:22,320
Speaker 2: into a funk like they did last year They were

1346
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:26,440
Speaker 2: ten and fifteen to start the season and they suddenly

1347
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:29,160
Speaker 2: found their groove and they got super hot. Will the

1348
01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:33,360
Speaker 2: lack of Haliburton starting every position limit them from getting

1349
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 2: into that groove? And Miles Turner on the defensive end,

1350
01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:40,120
Speaker 2: will he not being around limit them there? Because that

1351
01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:43,320
Speaker 2: is where defensively they got a big issue. And they're

1352
01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:46,440
Speaker 2: running out Isaiah Jackson, They're running out James Wiseman, they

1353
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:50,200
Speaker 2: running out Jay Huff and Tony Bradley. So the defense

1354
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:53,480
Speaker 2: is going to take a step down. Will know Haliburton

1355
01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:57,200
Speaker 2: be out there take a huge step down offensively. I

1356
01:04:57,240 --> 01:04:59,840
Speaker 2: mean they will share them. B Rick will make sure TJ.

1357
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:03,800
Speaker 2: Connell will share the ball with everybody. And you know

1358
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:05,920
Speaker 2: a guy like TJ McConnell's going to try and lead

1359
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:09,120
Speaker 2: this team into a they're betting against us type of mentality,

1360
01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:13,000
Speaker 2: type of locker room. They have a bunch of guys.

1361
01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:15,640
Speaker 2: There's no doubt like Pascal Siaking, like you said, Skeetz,

1362
01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:18,760
Speaker 2: he did lead a Toronto Raptors team to a lot

1363
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:21,760
Speaker 2: more wins. He led his team to a forty eight

1364
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:25,160
Speaker 2: win season in twenty one to twenty two. There was

1365
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:27,680
Speaker 2: a fret on there. There wasn't og playing half a

1366
01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:33,840
Speaker 2: season on that team. This seemingly isn't as good, but

1367
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:36,800
Speaker 2: you know, five hundred team would not be surprising. I

1368
01:05:37,120 --> 01:05:40,439
Speaker 2: do think the Halliburton loss, they may just not find

1369
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:43,040
Speaker 2: that groove. It's really just it is a it's a

1370
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:46,360
Speaker 2: coin flip here. I'll take an under, but there are

1371
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:48,360
Speaker 2: so many guys, there are so many freaking guys that

1372
01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:52,120
Speaker 2: could easily propel them over that total. It does seem low.

1373
01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:54,680
Speaker 3: What do you think a Jayhoff shave in his head.

1374
01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:58,120
Speaker 2: I haven't seen the hof head much needed.

1375
01:05:58,320 --> 01:05:58,920
Speaker 4: Good choice.

1376
01:05:59,280 --> 01:05:59,959
Speaker 3: It looks good.

1377
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:01,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was well compared.

1378
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:09,240
Speaker 2: Was he balding before? Oh yeah yeah, okay, yeah yeah yeah.

1379
01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:11,520
Speaker 3: He shaves his head. Rudy Gobert shaved his head.

1380
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:13,560
Speaker 4: That's the time.

1381
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:16,480
Speaker 2: See now that you say that, now that I'm looking

1382
01:06:16,520 --> 01:06:19,600
Speaker 2: at the hair on his head, I mean it is

1383
01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:24,800
Speaker 2: pretty substantial for you. Like when you said bald and

1384
01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:27,000
Speaker 2: I've seen bald. I guess the bald spot is pretty.

1385
01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:34,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you got you gotta get the reverse angle. Yeah, yeah,

1386
01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:36,520
Speaker 4: he's looking good. That's he's looking good. He'll look nice

1387
01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:39,160
Speaker 4: next to Tyres Haliburton next year. But they don't got

1388
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:40,200
Speaker 4: the setup man this year.

1389
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:40,840
Speaker 3: We shall see.

1390
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:42,160
Speaker 4: They're not gonna be as fun to watch, but I

1391
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:43,320
Speaker 4: think they can still win games.

1392
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:46,680
Speaker 2: See in our at our new studio set here, we

1393
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:49,480
Speaker 2: just flip the camera and flip the screen around and

1394
01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:51,240
Speaker 2: we show you Jay Huff if I could figure out

1395
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:55,160
Speaker 2: how to show you Ja, that's Hof. Yeah yeah it

1396
01:06:55,240 --> 01:07:00,720
Speaker 2: is that camera. Here's half head. It looks good. Ayran,

1397
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:03,680
Speaker 2: moving on, pacers will be fun to watch. Let's get

1398
01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:06,960
Speaker 2: to Milwaukee Box forty two and a half for a

1399
01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:07,840
Speaker 2: Yianni's team.

1400
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:09,680
Speaker 3: It's low. What do you low?

1401
01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:12,560
Speaker 2: What do you think Skeet's you locked into an over?

1402
01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:17,920
Speaker 3: This is one of my locks. Yep, this is I

1403
01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:19,320
Speaker 3: was shocked how low this was.

1404
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:19,560
Speaker 1: Now.

1405
01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:21,480
Speaker 3: I know there are some question mark, especially when it

1406
01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:25,000
Speaker 3: comes to their guard play, and they had a busy summer.

1407
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:28,800
Speaker 3: They retooled to try and keep you honest happy. We

1408
01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:31,680
Speaker 3: can debate whether they did a good enough job. I

1409
01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:33,040
Speaker 3: guess they did a great job because they got his

1410
01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:35,600
Speaker 3: brother back on the team. Good for vibes. The Nazis

1411
01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:38,040
Speaker 3: is there, but Cole Anthony, Gary Harris, then Miles Turner.

1412
01:07:38,080 --> 01:07:40,640
Speaker 3: That was huge and it took waving Damian Lillard to

1413
01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:44,040
Speaker 3: get there. Brooks gone, Pat Connington's gone, re signed a

1414
01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:47,360
Speaker 3: bunch of guys Portois, Ken Porter junior at Gary Trent Junior.

1415
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:50,400
Speaker 3: I just think this line is too low. If Jannis

1416
01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:53,160
Speaker 3: is like healthy for you know, seventy games, If you

1417
01:07:53,240 --> 01:07:57,320
Speaker 3: play seventy games, he's enough in the season conference to

1418
01:07:57,400 --> 01:07:59,720
Speaker 3: get you, you know, forty four to forty five wins.

1419
01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:04,120
Speaker 3: I think so I'm locking this one in. This is

1420
01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:07,360
Speaker 3: gonna be I guess we're getting whispers of the point

1421
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:11,600
Speaker 3: Yannis experiment here. Too. The guy's numbers are already insane,

1422
01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:15,200
Speaker 3: so if they only increase somehow across the box score,

1423
01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:18,280
Speaker 3: he will, like he always is is in the MVP conversation.

1424
01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:20,840
Speaker 3: Maybe they even surprise teams and are flirting with fifty,

1425
01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:23,479
Speaker 3: and then he's like possibly even winning another one. I

1426
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:25,559
Speaker 3: don't think that's out of the question. So I'll go

1427
01:08:25,640 --> 01:08:28,360
Speaker 3: over Trey as one of my locks to tip my

1428
01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:29,360
Speaker 3: hand here. I like it.

1429
01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:32,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, they gotta have point Giannis because they have probably

1430
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:35,240
Speaker 4: the worst creators in the NBA outside of him. Their

1431
01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:37,519
Speaker 4: top perimeter options are going to be Kyle Kuzma, Kevin

1432
01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:40,559
Speaker 4: Porter Junior, and Cole Anthony. So Yiannis is going to

1433
01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:43,559
Speaker 4: need to make a lot of plays. They lost Dame,

1434
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:46,400
Speaker 4: they lost Brooke Miles. Turner is going to make the

1435
01:08:46,439 --> 01:08:49,200
Speaker 4: defense pretty solid. I think him and Yannis are a

1436
01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:53,639
Speaker 4: destructive duo together. The last time the Bucks won fewer

1437
01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:56,240
Speaker 4: than forty games was Giannis's third year in the NBA.

1438
01:08:56,720 --> 01:08:58,640
Speaker 4: But back then Yannis played like eighty games a year,

1439
01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:00,800
Speaker 4: and now he's at like sixty five games a year.

1440
01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:03,200
Speaker 4: And the question to me is what happens in those

1441
01:09:03,240 --> 01:09:07,040
Speaker 4: fifteen games that Yiannis misses? Bucks could go on fifteen.

1442
01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:11,120
Speaker 4: They have basically a tanking roster outside of Giannis, so

1443
01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:14,400
Speaker 4: if Jannis has an MVP like season, they go over.

1444
01:09:14,520 --> 01:09:16,960
Speaker 4: But I'm going under. I just think he's going if

1445
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:18,560
Speaker 4: he misses any kind of time. They're one of the

1446
01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:19,519
Speaker 4: worst teams in the league.

1447
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:22,559
Speaker 2: It's totally reasonable, and that's why that line has dropped

1448
01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:24,439
Speaker 2: from a team that went forty eight and thirty four

1449
01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:28,280
Speaker 2: last year to forty two and a half. I'm going

1450
01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:31,799
Speaker 2: over because I think Giannis will just be pretty prideful

1451
01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:35,280
Speaker 2: this year, wants that MVP back, wants more talk of that.

1452
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:37,960
Speaker 2: I think Miles Turner will help him, just having to

1453
01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:42,200
Speaker 2: deal with a heck of a lot more centers. Brooke

1454
01:09:42,320 --> 01:09:45,280
Speaker 2: was there last year, but Brooke couldn't be old Prime

1455
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:48,320
Speaker 2: Brook while you're getting Miles turned off. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.

1456
01:09:48,320 --> 01:09:50,719
Speaker 2: He just wasn't the same guy. And now Miles Turner

1457
01:09:50,800 --> 01:09:54,640
Speaker 2: will be guarding every single five out there, and I

1458
01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:59,839
Speaker 2: think that just helps him on both sides, because Johannis

1459
01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:03,160
Speaker 2: has had to deal with centers and that just it

1460
01:10:03,200 --> 01:10:07,160
Speaker 2: hasn't worked all that well. Actually, when he was interviewed

1461
01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:10,120
Speaker 2: after EuroBasket, an hour long Greek interview, he was asked

1462
01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:14,000
Speaker 2: about playing in Europe versus playing in the US. He

1463
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:16,240
Speaker 2: said he kind of favors playing in Europe because you

1464
01:10:16,240 --> 01:10:19,519
Speaker 2: don't have to deal with all these monsters like Jalen Duran.

1465
01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:22,240
Speaker 2: He just named these monstrous centers that he had to

1466
01:10:22,280 --> 01:10:25,400
Speaker 2: deal with. It won't happen the same way with Miles Starner.

1467
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:27,759
Speaker 2: He's going to take that off him. That being said,

1468
01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:31,759
Speaker 2: who's going to help the guy who is their second

1469
01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:35,080
Speaker 2: best player that's going to handle the ball. It's just

1470
01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:38,880
Speaker 2: such a big question. Is it a positive that he'll

1471
01:10:39,200 --> 01:10:42,880
Speaker 2: big up Cole Anthony? I mean he's doing that right now.

1472
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:45,040
Speaker 2: He said. Cole Anthony is going to be a secret

1473
01:10:45,479 --> 01:10:50,200
Speaker 2: great player for them. Okay, I mean they're really Jardan

1474
01:10:50,240 --> 01:10:54,320
Speaker 2: Horst is really just grabbing guys in the barrel. Give

1475
01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:57,880
Speaker 2: me Cole Anthony, gim me Gary Harris, come on by

1476
01:10:58,080 --> 01:11:00,559
Speaker 2: help us out in any way, shape or form you can.

1477
01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:03,639
Speaker 2: A mere coffee from the Los Angeles Clippers could literally

1478
01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:06,960
Speaker 2: be their best wing at times. Or is Kyle Kosma

1479
01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:10,040
Speaker 2: a new player? Kyle Cooz have to reinvent himself to

1480
01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:13,439
Speaker 2: be good. But yeah, Milwaukee has won at least forty

1481
01:11:13,439 --> 01:11:17,559
Speaker 2: six games for seven straight seasons. Is this the season

1482
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:20,120
Speaker 2: that they're going to drop to essentially like a five

1483
01:11:20,200 --> 01:11:22,760
Speaker 2: hundred team. I'll take the over, but it is, Yeah,

1484
01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:27,040
Speaker 2: a ton of question marks, especially considering how many games

1485
01:11:27,080 --> 01:11:28,840
Speaker 2: Giannis is going to play. I think he's still young

1486
01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:31,360
Speaker 2: enough to be able to play as many as he wants,

1487
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:33,840
Speaker 2: but how many does he want to play? He wants

1488
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:36,759
Speaker 2: to be healthy for the postseason. But will the Miles

1489
01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:41,200
Speaker 2: Turner factor help him out a good amount? I think

1490
01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:42,080
Speaker 2: I think he will.

1491
01:11:42,520 --> 01:11:45,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it should Turner like he brings rim

1492
01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:48,519
Speaker 3: protection like obviously Brooke did in his prime, and he

1493
01:11:49,080 --> 01:11:51,320
Speaker 3: at least last year showed an ability to really stretch

1494
01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:53,200
Speaker 3: the floor, like he hit over two threes per game.

1495
01:11:53,240 --> 01:11:55,840
Speaker 3: He showed a really good percentage with the pacers. They're

1496
01:11:55,840 --> 01:11:58,080
Speaker 3: going to need that Turner to be, you know, the

1497
01:11:58,120 --> 01:12:01,599
Speaker 3: same type of thing replicated in the way. But yeah,

1498
01:12:01,600 --> 01:12:03,559
Speaker 3: you're right about the guards. It's rough. I mean, this

1499
01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:06,160
Speaker 3: is why this Yiannis sort of point, you honest, everything

1500
01:12:06,200 --> 01:12:08,479
Speaker 3: through him, not that it it feels like it already does. Anyway,

1501
01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:11,040
Speaker 3: It's like how much more can go through him is

1502
01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:13,760
Speaker 3: going to be fascinating. I saw da, I thought sort

1503
01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:17,040
Speaker 3: of perfectly wrapped up the front office from the Bucks,

1504
01:12:17,080 --> 01:12:19,760
Speaker 3: and how they like turned over every stone to keep

1505
01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:22,639
Speaker 3: you Honest happy, and again I will include bringing back

1506
01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:24,640
Speaker 3: his brother, which is definitely a part of this. But

1507
01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:28,080
Speaker 3: they burned through much of their future draft capital. They've

1508
01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:31,280
Speaker 3: cycled through coaches, they've traded impact players. They even did

1509
01:12:31,320 --> 01:12:33,719
Speaker 3: the whole waving and stretching of Lillard and like setting

1510
01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:35,800
Speaker 3: fire to like one hundred million dollars right there, doing

1511
01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:39,280
Speaker 3: all they can to at least please y Honest and

1512
01:12:39,320 --> 01:12:42,240
Speaker 3: keep them. And now maybe it's Yo Honest's turn, I

1513
01:12:42,240 --> 01:12:45,080
Speaker 3: guess to sort of like thank them, so to speak.

1514
01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:48,240
Speaker 3: So I just if he plays enough, they just he's

1515
01:12:48,280 --> 01:12:50,519
Speaker 3: too good to have a five hundred team.

1516
01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:53,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, at least for me, is like if he misses

1517
01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:56,400
Speaker 4: fifteen games, can they win forty out of sixty?

1518
01:12:56,720 --> 01:12:58,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's when Giannis plays.

1519
01:12:58,200 --> 01:13:01,559
Speaker 4: And that seems like a big lift, right, because I mean,

1520
01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:04,400
Speaker 4: you're I mean, they're really scraping the barrel if they're

1521
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:06,680
Speaker 4: bringing in Gary Harris and Cole Anthony, two guys who

1522
01:13:06,720 --> 01:13:09,479
Speaker 4: were on the worst offense in the league, and they're like, hey,

1523
01:13:09,479 --> 01:13:11,240
Speaker 4: we got these two to help us out.

1524
01:13:12,280 --> 01:13:14,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, Ryan Rollins is probably gonna start a lot.

1525
01:13:14,240 --> 01:13:15,920
Speaker 4: He's also bad on offense unfortunately.

1526
01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:17,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, he struggles. Yeah, that's why.

1527
01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:19,920
Speaker 4: And the Bucks defense was better than the Pacers last

1528
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:21,920
Speaker 4: year even though they had Brook Lopez and the Pacers

1529
01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:24,720
Speaker 4: had Miles Turner. I think that's like a sideways move

1530
01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:26,280
Speaker 4: Lopez for Turner.

1531
01:13:28,360 --> 01:13:31,440
Speaker 2: We'll see, we shall all right. Moving on to the

1532
01:13:31,479 --> 01:13:35,679
Speaker 2: South East Division. Always fun to say the Atlanta Hawks.

1533
01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:39,880
Speaker 2: I'll stay here in Atlanta. They are at a line

1534
01:13:39,880 --> 01:13:43,360
Speaker 2: of forty seven and a half, big one, huge one.

1535
01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:47,479
Speaker 2: What do you think, Trey? Can they win over forty

1536
01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:48,839
Speaker 2: seven games this season?

1537
01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:50,639
Speaker 3: Hawks haven't won forty eight or more.

1538
01:13:50,520 --> 01:13:53,840
Speaker 4: Games since the twenty fifteen to sixteen season. That's ten years.

1539
01:13:54,040 --> 01:13:57,679
Speaker 4: This is the best deepest team they've had around Trey Young.

1540
01:13:57,960 --> 01:14:01,920
Speaker 4: I'm anticipating a breakout season for our guy Mogay, the

1541
01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:04,560
Speaker 4: Mogay that's on the Hawks, not the one that was

1542
01:14:04,600 --> 01:14:08,599
Speaker 4: signed by the Bulls and is a former Raptor. There's

1543
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:11,400
Speaker 4: a lot of health concerns, certainly I think with Chris STAPs,

1544
01:14:11,439 --> 01:14:14,240
Speaker 4: Porzingis and Jalen Johnson. But to me, those are more

1545
01:14:14,240 --> 01:14:17,519
Speaker 4: health concerns for will they be healthy come playoff time

1546
01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:20,479
Speaker 4: when it really matters The bigger risk to the over

1547
01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:23,880
Speaker 4: under for me is Trey Young. He's generally pretty healthy,

1548
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:26,439
Speaker 4: but if he misses time, there is not a backup

1549
01:14:26,479 --> 01:14:28,679
Speaker 4: on the team for Trey Young. I guess it would

1550
01:14:28,720 --> 01:14:31,920
Speaker 4: probably be like a combo platter of Dyson Daniels and

1551
01:14:31,960 --> 01:14:34,920
Speaker 4: Nikhil Alexander Walker. Maybe they even would start a guy

1552
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:38,640
Speaker 4: like Luke Canard for a little three point shooting and playmaking.

1553
01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:43,080
Speaker 4: But if Trey misses any significant amount of time, I

1554
01:14:43,120 --> 01:14:46,479
Speaker 4: could see this going under for sure. This is such

1555
01:14:46,479 --> 01:14:48,360
Speaker 4: a devious number. Like I do think the Hawks are

1556
01:14:48,360 --> 01:14:51,519
Speaker 4: gonna be better. They were forty and forty two last year.

1557
01:14:51,720 --> 01:14:53,960
Speaker 4: I think they can easily win five or six more

1558
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:57,920
Speaker 4: games this year. That would still put them under unfortunately,

1559
01:14:57,960 --> 01:15:00,320
Speaker 4: so I am gonna go under. I believe in the team,

1560
01:15:00,479 --> 01:15:04,040
Speaker 4: and I think if they have Porzingis and Johnson and

1561
01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:06,320
Speaker 4: Trey healthy come playoff time, like they've got a good

1562
01:15:06,400 --> 01:15:09,880
Speaker 4: chance to surprise people and make a run similar to

1563
01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:11,599
Speaker 4: twenty twenty one where they make it to the conference

1564
01:15:11,680 --> 01:15:15,240
Speaker 4: finals if things break perfectly. As for regular season, forty

1565
01:15:15,240 --> 01:15:16,920
Speaker 4: seven and a half is just too high for me.

1566
01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:19,320
Speaker 2: It is a devious number because we just talked about

1567
01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:22,160
Speaker 2: the Detroit Pistons, who have a lower number at forty

1568
01:15:22,160 --> 01:15:24,120
Speaker 2: six and a half, and they went to the playoffs.

1569
01:15:24,400 --> 01:15:29,120
Speaker 2: What do you think? Is this just the linemakers riding

1570
01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:34,920
Speaker 2: the hype train of June and July where listen, they

1571
01:15:35,240 --> 01:15:38,519
Speaker 2: made some glorious moves, but can they win forty eight games? Skits?

1572
01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:40,920
Speaker 3: I think that's exactly what this line is. I think

1573
01:15:40,920 --> 01:15:43,639
Speaker 3: you're right, you nail at their tasks. They're getting people

1574
01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:46,559
Speaker 3: with this one. Oh that's not that crazy. Forty seven

1575
01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:48,559
Speaker 3: and a half. They could win a fifty games? Yeah,

1576
01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:52,040
Speaker 3: maybe they could, because I don't think like it's a

1577
01:15:52,040 --> 01:15:57,200
Speaker 3: stretch of say, Atlanta's front office probably had top three summer, right,

1578
01:15:57,400 --> 01:16:01,640
Speaker 3: I mean Houston, maybe Denver's in the mix there. I

1579
01:16:01,640 --> 01:16:04,920
Speaker 3: think the Hawks are in the mix for crushing the offseason.

1580
01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:06,400
Speaker 3: But that's all on paper, and now we got to

1581
01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:09,439
Speaker 3: see it in action. I am excited to see Nikhil

1582
01:16:09,439 --> 01:16:13,639
Speaker 3: Alexander Walker alongside Dyson Daniels, Like when they're out there,

1583
01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:17,120
Speaker 3: that's two elite perimeter defenders and they can force turnovers

1584
01:16:17,560 --> 01:16:21,280
Speaker 3: and fuel that offense for Atlanta. And if Jalen Johnson's

1585
01:16:21,320 --> 01:16:24,120
Speaker 3: on the wing running and obviously Trey Poshing the ball.

1586
01:16:24,160 --> 01:16:25,760
Speaker 3: That's going to be a lot more fun to watch.

1587
01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:29,400
Speaker 3: I think it'll be exciting. Porzingis huge question mark. Guy

1588
01:16:29,439 --> 01:16:31,760
Speaker 3: played forty two games last year. I mean he had

1589
01:16:32,160 --> 01:16:34,960
Speaker 3: ankle surgery at the start, then he had a mystery illness.

1590
01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:37,559
Speaker 3: And he never plays like this.

1591
01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:38,400
Speaker 4: I checked.

1592
01:16:38,439 --> 01:16:41,080
Speaker 3: He's never He hasn't played more than seventy games since

1593
01:16:41,120 --> 01:16:44,559
Speaker 3: his rookie season. So to get like a full healthy

1594
01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:48,640
Speaker 3: KP season, it's far fetched. I think the Hawks have

1595
01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:50,559
Speaker 3: guys that they can slide in there during the regular

1596
01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:52,920
Speaker 3: season and would need KP come playoff time. Like Trey said,

1597
01:16:52,920 --> 01:16:55,360
Speaker 3: But I'm going just under. As much as what I

1598
01:16:55,400 --> 01:16:59,080
Speaker 3: love they did this offseason, there'll be an improvement and

1599
01:16:59,160 --> 01:17:01,559
Speaker 3: it'll be right around. I don't see him as a

1600
01:17:01,560 --> 01:17:04,680
Speaker 3: fifty win team. I really don't, and that's why I'm

1601
01:17:04,720 --> 01:17:05,160
Speaker 3: going under.

1602
01:17:05,960 --> 01:17:08,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, the front office was incredible. Ancie Sally than those

1603
01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:12,080
Speaker 2: moves helped everybody out here in Atlanta. I had a

1604
01:17:12,120 --> 01:17:16,320
Speaker 2: Hawk's shirt on I was out and about. Guy just

1605
01:17:16,400 --> 01:17:18,559
Speaker 2: yelled at me, go Hawks, and I said, it's going

1606
01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:19,840
Speaker 2: to be a good year. He said it's going to

1607
01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:23,040
Speaker 2: be the year and I said, woa, Well, people are

1608
01:17:23,160 --> 01:17:26,439
Speaker 2: over Yeah, people are hype because of these moves. There's

1609
01:17:26,439 --> 01:17:28,640
Speaker 2: no doubt for every good move, though there is a

1610
01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:31,880
Speaker 2: question mark, like you said, Christapsporzingis is gonna play. Jalen

1611
01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:34,760
Speaker 2: Johnson a fair question if he's going to play or not.

1612
01:17:35,040 --> 01:17:38,040
Speaker 2: He's only played in fifty six percent of games in

1613
01:17:38,120 --> 01:17:42,719
Speaker 2: his young career. He's easily you know, their their second

1614
01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:44,840
Speaker 2: best player, thirds, whatever you want to call him, he's

1615
01:17:44,880 --> 01:17:48,040
Speaker 2: he's super important to this team. That being said, you

1616
01:17:48,080 --> 01:17:49,840
Speaker 2: start to look at the lineups, like you said Nikhil,

1617
01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:52,519
Speaker 2: Alexander Walker, Dyson Daniels. If they're playing beside Tree Young

1618
01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:55,840
Speaker 2: and they go in that direction, Trey Young doesn't even

1619
01:17:55,840 --> 01:17:58,360
Speaker 2: have to play defense in those lineups. There's gonna be

1620
01:17:58,479 --> 01:18:02,200
Speaker 2: enough defense around him. It's gonna be fun to watch,

1621
01:18:02,600 --> 01:18:04,920
Speaker 2: like a Chris STAPs and Trey Kris Stapps said that

1622
01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:08,160
Speaker 2: Trey Young is the best passer in the league. He's

1623
01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:11,160
Speaker 2: going to be picking him popping. There's no doubt. It

1624
01:18:11,240 --> 01:18:15,160
Speaker 2: is gonna be interesting to see those those guys in

1625
01:18:15,200 --> 01:18:18,120
Speaker 2: these I think there's a lot of versatility in these lineups,

1626
01:18:18,160 --> 01:18:21,200
Speaker 2: like a Dyson Daniels, who unfortunately could have to be

1627
01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:24,080
Speaker 2: more of a ball handler. He said he's working on

1628
01:18:24,120 --> 01:18:26,360
Speaker 2: his mid range game. But you start to put those

1629
01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:29,639
Speaker 2: pieces in these lineups where you put him beside Nika

1630
01:18:29,880 --> 01:18:33,160
Speaker 2: and Alexander Walker and then you got the fire guys

1631
01:18:33,200 --> 01:18:37,200
Speaker 2: around him, like Luke Canard. You start to think, well,

1632
01:18:37,280 --> 01:18:39,559
Speaker 2: this team can win plenty of games, but that number

1633
01:18:39,640 --> 01:18:42,000
Speaker 2: is just it's just big and there's too many question

1634
01:18:42,040 --> 01:18:45,120
Speaker 2: marks for me, so I'll go under. But the first

1635
01:18:45,160 --> 01:18:48,880
Speaker 2: winning team in a while, it feels like and over

1636
01:18:48,920 --> 01:18:51,960
Speaker 2: five hundred is it's a good season for the Atlanta Hawks.

1637
01:18:51,960 --> 01:18:54,240
Speaker 3: A good season for the Hawks is to avoid the

1638
01:18:54,360 --> 01:18:58,120
Speaker 3: damn play in tournament, like get into the playoffs, like

1639
01:18:58,200 --> 01:19:01,000
Speaker 3: forty six wins that get you in, I think, or

1640
01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:03,840
Speaker 3: maybe right around there, forty six to forty seven wins

1641
01:19:03,880 --> 01:19:05,320
Speaker 3: like gets you maybe like a sixth seed or a

1642
01:19:05,320 --> 01:19:08,880
Speaker 3: fifth seed. Even so that's the goal. Avoid the play

1643
01:19:08,880 --> 01:19:12,200
Speaker 3: in at all costs where they just are like like

1644
01:19:12,240 --> 01:19:13,960
Speaker 3: the Bulls are just sort of always in the mix

1645
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:15,559
Speaker 3: there and can never sort of take it to the

1646
01:19:15,560 --> 01:19:17,840
Speaker 3: next level. And oh yeah, injuries come into play. I

1647
01:19:18,360 --> 01:19:21,599
Speaker 3: am excited, like I do think there's like not pressure

1648
01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:23,360
Speaker 3: because he had a pressure on him his entire career,

1649
01:19:23,400 --> 01:19:27,200
Speaker 3: but like this on paper is as bout as well

1650
01:19:27,240 --> 01:19:29,000
Speaker 3: as you could do. I think to put a team

1651
01:19:29,040 --> 01:19:31,920
Speaker 3: around Trey Young to fit sort of his style, right,

1652
01:19:32,040 --> 01:19:33,960
Speaker 3: he went through all the defensive guys and the pick

1653
01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:36,479
Speaker 3: and pop big and all these athletic guys that he

1654
01:19:36,479 --> 01:19:38,880
Speaker 3: can throw lobs with, like it makes sense, and now

1655
01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:41,400
Speaker 3: it's like okay, now it's got translated into some some

1656
01:19:41,479 --> 01:19:45,280
Speaker 3: wins and then maybe some playoff success. So there's that

1657
01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:47,080
Speaker 3: that he should be looking around like, oh, this is

1658
01:19:47,120 --> 01:19:49,439
Speaker 3: my best chance here in a very depleted Eastern Conference,

1659
01:19:49,439 --> 01:19:52,200
Speaker 3: like we said too, So I'm excited to get down

1660
01:19:52,200 --> 01:19:54,880
Speaker 3: to the Fortress watch some Hawks games CACA left and

1661
01:19:54,960 --> 01:19:56,879
Speaker 3: right on the podcast because I think they're.

1662
01:19:56,680 --> 01:20:00,519
Speaker 2: Gonna be more fun. They will be more fun. I

1663
01:20:00,520 --> 01:20:03,280
Speaker 2: didn't mention some guys that will see playing like zacharyisa Chet.

1664
01:20:03,400 --> 01:20:06,599
Speaker 2: I think it'd help out. You know, when he's pegged

1665
01:20:06,600 --> 01:20:09,960
Speaker 2: into a fourth, fifth, sixth best player type of role,

1666
01:20:10,040 --> 01:20:14,160
Speaker 2: he can be awesome. But will they put him in

1667
01:20:14,200 --> 01:20:17,400
Speaker 2: a third best role because of injuries or the third

1668
01:20:17,439 --> 01:20:20,240
Speaker 2: best player type of role? That's the question mark with

1669
01:20:20,280 --> 01:20:24,599
Speaker 2: this team, so TBD. And then the question mark is

1670
01:20:24,640 --> 01:20:26,200
Speaker 2: if Trey Young is happy at the end of the

1671
01:20:26,240 --> 01:20:29,000
Speaker 2: season because he was put into all those rumors last

1672
01:20:29,040 --> 01:20:31,559
Speaker 2: year that he wasn't happy if this team isn't all

1673
01:20:31,560 --> 01:20:34,960
Speaker 2: that good, which is a fair question.

1674
01:20:35,320 --> 01:20:38,000
Speaker 4: It made a little noise about not having that extension yet.

1675
01:20:38,560 --> 01:20:40,639
Speaker 2: He did say that, but the pressure is on him,

1676
01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:41,599
Speaker 2: like easily.

1677
01:20:41,640 --> 01:20:43,360
Speaker 4: This is the best team he's had, and the team

1678
01:20:43,400 --> 01:20:45,240
Speaker 4: that makes the most sense and the deepest team and

1679
01:20:45,280 --> 01:20:47,960
Speaker 4: the things that address his weaknesses the most. So if

1680
01:20:47,960 --> 01:20:51,400
Speaker 4: it ain't this year, it might not ever be the time, right.

1681
01:20:52,240 --> 01:20:54,760
Speaker 2: I did think I watched that clip of him being

1682
01:20:54,760 --> 01:20:57,479
Speaker 2: asked about the extension, he just kind of answered the question.

1683
01:20:57,520 --> 01:21:00,759
Speaker 2: I mean, he was asked he said, well, I'd always

1684
01:21:00,840 --> 01:21:03,160
Speaker 2: like an extension, but I want to talk about my

1685
01:21:03,160 --> 01:21:05,559
Speaker 2: team here, you know. So then it's well, this guy

1686
01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:07,599
Speaker 2: doesn't want to be on this team, and I think

1687
01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:11,200
Speaker 2: he is happy to be here. At the same time,

1688
01:21:11,320 --> 01:21:15,040
Speaker 2: this is it. This is on paper, this team can

1689
01:21:15,080 --> 01:21:19,240
Speaker 2: go monstrous and long beside him, and I think we

1690
01:21:19,280 --> 01:21:22,280
Speaker 2: don't give enough credit for how hard he played defensively

1691
01:21:22,360 --> 01:21:25,559
Speaker 2: last year. But again, if these guys are injured, then

1692
01:21:25,600 --> 01:21:27,519
Speaker 2: it's not really entree. It's kind of just like, Okay,

1693
01:21:27,680 --> 01:21:30,400
Speaker 2: this team ain't all that get It'll be fun, it'll

1694
01:21:30,400 --> 01:21:34,280
Speaker 2: be fun this year going down to State Farm. All right,

1695
01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:37,799
Speaker 2: moving on the Charlotte Hornets twenty six and a half

1696
01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:40,200
Speaker 2: after going nineteen and sixty three last year, Ski, you

1697
01:21:40,280 --> 01:21:42,000
Speaker 2: want to start us off on a twenty six and

1698
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:43,200
Speaker 2: a half line? What do you think?

1699
01:21:44,160 --> 01:21:50,880
Speaker 3: Oh, the Charlotte Okay, they are on a crazy long

1700
01:21:51,000 --> 01:21:53,080
Speaker 3: playoff rout. It shocked me when I saw it was

1701
01:21:53,160 --> 01:21:55,360
Speaker 3: nine years. I think it's the longest active playoff rout

1702
01:21:55,400 --> 01:21:58,080
Speaker 3: in the league right now. So they have not sniffed

1703
01:21:58,120 --> 01:22:02,880
Speaker 3: any postseason in a long time. But they have their reasons,

1704
01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:05,280
Speaker 3: they have their excuses. It usually starts with injuries. Again,

1705
01:22:05,360 --> 01:22:06,920
Speaker 3: I hate to sound like a broken record, like we've

1706
01:22:06,920 --> 01:22:08,920
Speaker 3: done a lot of these teams, but like does LaMelo

1707
01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:11,519
Speaker 3: ball play that really helps their chances to hit a

1708
01:22:11,640 --> 01:22:15,720
Speaker 3: very low over here. Same with Brandon Miller. I think

1709
01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:18,479
Speaker 3: they're just trying to replicate what the Pistons sort of

1710
01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:22,479
Speaker 3: did last year, and that is to grow develop the

1711
01:22:22,520 --> 01:22:25,519
Speaker 3: young core. That's the theme. But then you bring in

1712
01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:29,000
Speaker 3: sort of these vets like Sexton and Dinwitty and Pat

1713
01:22:29,040 --> 01:22:32,400
Speaker 3: Connaton and plumb Dog Millionaire to like raise the floor

1714
01:22:32,439 --> 01:22:34,920
Speaker 3: a little bit, to help out the kids and maybe

1715
01:22:34,920 --> 01:22:39,759
Speaker 3: put together some wins, but I still don't like love

1716
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:42,839
Speaker 3: this squad overall. I'm not really a Lamello ball believer,

1717
01:22:43,360 --> 01:22:46,680
Speaker 3: and I'm gonna go under. There's got to be some

1718
01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:49,360
Speaker 3: bad teams, really bad teams in the East, and I

1719
01:22:49,400 --> 01:22:51,000
Speaker 3: think they're still going to be in the mixes one

1720
01:22:51,040 --> 01:22:55,080
Speaker 3: of them. But I get it. I could see people going,

1721
01:22:55,080 --> 01:22:56,680
Speaker 3: are you silly? Like when he plays, they're a much

1722
01:22:56,680 --> 01:22:58,880
Speaker 3: better team. Well, he's got to play first off and

1723
01:22:59,360 --> 01:23:00,880
Speaker 3: a lot of other things gotta go right. So I'm

1724
01:23:00,880 --> 01:23:02,759
Speaker 3: going under tray twenty six and a half.

1725
01:23:03,240 --> 01:23:06,240
Speaker 4: That's the smart move. But I'm a believer.

1726
01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:09,360
Speaker 3: I see, I know it. I don't know. I guess.

1727
01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:11,760
Speaker 4: I saw a LaMelo do an eighteen foot step back

1728
01:23:11,880 --> 01:23:14,280
Speaker 4: yesterday on Instagram, and now I want to go over.

1729
01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:17,559
Speaker 4: He's playing sixty plus games this year, and if that happens,

1730
01:23:17,560 --> 01:23:19,439
Speaker 4: I think the Hornets go over. The last three years,

1731
01:23:19,479 --> 01:23:23,439
Speaker 4: LaMelo's played thirty six, twenty two and forty seven games,

1732
01:23:23,600 --> 01:23:25,080
Speaker 4: and when he plays, guess what, they play at a

1733
01:23:25,080 --> 01:23:27,559
Speaker 4: twenty nine win pace, So it doesn't really even matter

1734
01:23:27,560 --> 01:23:29,840
Speaker 4: if he's out there, skeez, you'll listen off the Vets.

1735
01:23:30,479 --> 01:23:31,320
Speaker 3: Those vets suck.

1736
01:23:32,680 --> 01:23:35,920
Speaker 4: Collin Sexton Pat Connaiton, Spencer Dinwitty, who's.

1737
01:23:35,680 --> 01:23:37,040
Speaker 3: Maybe not even on the team.

1738
01:23:37,200 --> 01:23:40,360
Speaker 4: That's not Tobias Harris, that's not Malik Beasley, right, Like,

1739
01:23:40,400 --> 01:23:44,479
Speaker 4: those guys are rotation players for basically any team. Sexton

1740
01:23:44,560 --> 01:23:47,839
Speaker 4: and Connaton and Dinwitty, they are rotation players for the Hornets.

1741
01:23:47,880 --> 01:23:50,679
Speaker 4: Then you look at their bigs. It's Plumbley kolk Brenner,

1742
01:23:50,720 --> 01:23:53,559
Speaker 4: a rookie, and Tajan Salon, who was maybe the worst

1743
01:23:53,640 --> 01:23:56,160
Speaker 4: rookie in the league last year outside of Cody Williams.

1744
01:23:56,200 --> 01:23:58,880
Speaker 4: I don't know toss up between those two guys. They

1745
01:23:58,920 --> 01:24:02,880
Speaker 4: should be under, the nuts should be under. I'm going over.

1746
01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:05,880
Speaker 4: This one's the one I'm gonna be wrong on twenty

1747
01:24:05,920 --> 01:24:07,160
Speaker 4: seven wins for the Hornets.

1748
01:24:07,160 --> 01:24:11,960
Speaker 2: I think, Wow, I was wrong last year. I got

1749
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:15,240
Speaker 2: fooled last year when he went nineteen and sixty three.

1750
01:24:15,320 --> 01:24:17,720
Speaker 2: I thought they were an overteam because I thought la

1751
01:24:17,760 --> 01:24:19,920
Speaker 2: Millo Ball was going to play basketball. I believed in

1752
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:22,559
Speaker 2: him saying I'm wearing ankle braces for the first time

1753
01:24:22,600 --> 01:24:25,000
Speaker 2: in my career. My ankles are going to be strong,

1754
01:24:25,600 --> 01:24:29,719
Speaker 2: and he learned that from Steph apparently, so I thought

1755
01:24:30,040 --> 01:24:32,160
Speaker 2: that he was going to play. But I got fooled,

1756
01:24:33,320 --> 01:24:36,880
Speaker 2: and I'm not sure how many games he plays number one,

1757
01:24:37,080 --> 01:24:41,320
Speaker 2: Like you said that, sure they could win twenty seven

1758
01:24:41,520 --> 01:24:44,800
Speaker 2: or twenty nine games, is what they're on pace for.

1759
01:24:44,880 --> 01:24:47,360
Speaker 2: If he plays, I don't know. I don't know. If

1760
01:24:47,400 --> 01:24:49,800
Speaker 2: he plays, he doesn't have the leadership in him, I

1761
01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:54,360
Speaker 2: don't think. And Colin Sexton is there, yeah, because apparently

1762
01:24:54,400 --> 01:24:58,000
Speaker 2: he's there to be his bud, and they talk about

1763
01:24:58,080 --> 01:25:01,439
Speaker 2: him helping him out in as far as leadership goes.

1764
01:25:01,479 --> 01:25:04,200
Speaker 2: They're inseparable and he's really helping him out. But I

1765
01:25:04,240 --> 01:25:06,640
Speaker 2: can't buy that talk. I just I can't buy it.

1766
01:25:06,680 --> 01:25:12,320
Speaker 2: I got fooled last year. And they're literally trying to

1767
01:25:12,360 --> 01:25:16,160
Speaker 2: get young guys there as well that can hopefully turn

1768
01:25:16,240 --> 01:25:19,040
Speaker 2: around this team. You mentioned guys like Ryan Kalchbrenner, the

1769
01:25:19,120 --> 01:25:22,280
Speaker 2: defensive player of the year in college, khon Ka Nipple

1770
01:25:22,520 --> 01:25:26,000
Speaker 2: who plays really hard. Liam McNeely plays really hard. They

1771
01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:27,720
Speaker 2: got a bunch of those guys, but a bunch of

1772
01:25:27,720 --> 01:25:30,599
Speaker 2: white guys. Oh yeah, there's so many white guys. Yeah,

1773
01:25:30,600 --> 01:25:33,519
Speaker 2: that's why they got Mason plumb dog there. That's what

1774
01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:37,439
Speaker 2: they have. Is this a twenty seven win team after

1775
01:25:37,479 --> 01:25:40,120
Speaker 2: going nineteen and sixty three last year. I find it

1776
01:25:40,200 --> 01:25:46,200
Speaker 2: hard to believe. So I am under unfortunate under Yeah.

1777
01:25:46,240 --> 01:25:49,040
Speaker 3: Back to Colin Sexton. I just saw this yesterday from

1778
01:25:49,040 --> 01:25:52,080
Speaker 3: Clutch Points sort of blew my mind. It was about

1779
01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:54,679
Speaker 3: how Colin Sexton has been in the league for eight

1780
01:25:54,760 --> 01:25:56,920
Speaker 3: years and he has still not played for a true

1781
01:25:56,960 --> 01:25:59,719
Speaker 3: contender and nor Willy this season with the Charlotte Hornets

1782
01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:03,360
Speaker 3: because he went through Cleveland's post Lebron years and then

1783
01:26:03,479 --> 01:26:07,519
Speaker 3: Utah's transition after Donovan Mitchell and now he's with this

1784
01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:10,600
Speaker 3: young Charlotte team trying to like find some sort of

1785
01:26:10,640 --> 01:26:12,800
Speaker 3: rhythm or try and win. He's played for I looked

1786
01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:15,160
Speaker 3: it up. He's played for one winning team in his career.

1787
01:26:15,600 --> 01:26:17,280
Speaker 3: It was the twenty one to twenty two Calves. They

1788
01:26:17,280 --> 01:26:19,559
Speaker 3: finished forty four and thirty eight, and that was their

1789
01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:22,559
Speaker 3: Sexton barely played. He played like eleven games because of injury,

1790
01:26:22,640 --> 01:26:25,519
Speaker 3: so it wasn't really because of him. So he is

1791
01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:27,920
Speaker 3: in here as a vet voice. I guess to help

1792
01:26:27,960 --> 01:26:33,040
Speaker 3: LaMelo ball again. I don't think it's gonna matter. They're hits,

1793
01:26:33,080 --> 01:26:34,920
Speaker 3: They're still going to be a bad team, and they're

1794
01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:38,679
Speaker 3: just hoping Nipple Calcilbrenner. They're gonna like pop, they got

1795
01:26:38,680 --> 01:26:41,320
Speaker 3: something they're hoping for, because it ain't Salon. I'll tell

1796
01:26:41,320 --> 01:26:41,679
Speaker 3: you that.

1797
01:26:42,640 --> 01:26:46,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, Collin Saxon hasn't played in a playoff game in

1798
01:26:46,240 --> 01:26:48,760
Speaker 2: his career. Although, as you said, they're forty four and

1799
01:26:48,880 --> 01:26:51,960
Speaker 2: thirty eight. They finished eighth in that twenty one twenty

1800
01:26:51,960 --> 01:26:53,160
Speaker 2: two season, fell off.

1801
01:26:53,080 --> 01:26:54,120
Speaker 3: Completely in the second half.

1802
01:26:54,120 --> 01:26:56,400
Speaker 4: If I'm not mistaken, Well.

1803
01:26:56,320 --> 01:26:58,000
Speaker 2: Why weren't they a playoff team? Why didn't he play

1804
01:26:58,000 --> 01:27:00,320
Speaker 2: in the playoffs that he was tournament?

1805
01:27:00,400 --> 01:27:00,639
Speaker 3: Right?

1806
01:27:00,880 --> 01:27:02,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess it was the playing tournament. Yeah.

1807
01:27:03,040 --> 01:27:05,320
Speaker 4: Like I'll just say, Colin Sexton's numbers are always better

1808
01:27:05,400 --> 01:27:07,960
Speaker 4: the worst his team is. Yeah, yeah, I don't think.

1809
01:27:08,040 --> 01:27:10,679
Speaker 4: I think it's more of a feature, not a bug. Yeah,

1810
01:27:10,680 --> 01:27:12,160
Speaker 4: he hasn't made it to the playoffs yet.

1811
01:27:12,280 --> 01:27:14,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, he had a good, good season last year and

1812
01:27:14,200 --> 01:27:17,519
Speaker 2: they decided, okay, Usifnerkitch isn't working here in Charlotte, let's

1813
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:21,439
Speaker 2: trade him for Colin Sexton. I suppose to literally have

1814
01:27:21,520 --> 01:27:24,640
Speaker 2: a friend to sit beside LaMelo ball to try and

1815
01:27:24,680 --> 01:27:27,720
Speaker 2: get him, just have a guard around him. I think

1816
01:27:27,720 --> 01:27:29,920
Speaker 2: that's what the idea is, to try and get LaMelo

1817
01:27:30,040 --> 01:27:31,880
Speaker 2: to be a leader, because that's what this team comes

1818
01:27:31,880 --> 01:27:37,799
Speaker 2: down to we watched lam Allo ball. He's obviously enamored

1819
01:27:37,840 --> 01:27:40,040
Speaker 2: by so many fans out there. He led the fricking

1820
01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:43,479
Speaker 2: Eastern Conference guards in All Star fan voting last year.

1821
01:27:43,479 --> 01:27:44,479
Speaker 2: Pretty weird, and.

1822
01:27:44,400 --> 01:27:46,639
Speaker 3: They finished nineteen and sixty three.

1823
01:27:46,800 --> 01:27:50,960
Speaker 2: It's just about playing. We'll see if he plays, That's

1824
01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:53,000
Speaker 2: what it comes down to, and they'll win. Be on

1825
01:27:53,040 --> 01:27:58,479
Speaker 2: a twenty nine pace win streak. Sure, all right. Moving

1826
01:27:58,520 --> 01:28:00,360
Speaker 2: on to the Miami Heat thirty seven and a half,

1827
01:28:01,439 --> 01:28:03,040
Speaker 2: thirty seven and a half for a team that went

1828
01:28:03,080 --> 01:28:04,680
Speaker 2: thirty seven and forty five last year.

1829
01:28:04,760 --> 01:28:07,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, this one was such a dare, Like, you don't

1830
01:28:07,400 --> 01:28:09,400
Speaker 4: really think the Heat were that bad last year? Do you?

1831
01:28:10,000 --> 01:28:12,360
Speaker 4: Or do you? He haven't had back to back sub

1832
01:28:12,560 --> 01:28:16,080
Speaker 4: forty win seasons since two thousand and two and two

1833
01:28:16,160 --> 01:28:18,640
Speaker 4: thousand and three. I saw on Fando. They're also a

1834
01:28:18,640 --> 01:28:21,479
Speaker 4: plus one fifty four to get to forty wins. If

1835
01:28:21,520 --> 01:28:24,760
Speaker 4: you're saying it's not gonna happen again, but guess what

1836
01:28:24,800 --> 01:28:28,200
Speaker 4: it might happen again thirteen and twelve with Jimmy Butler

1837
01:28:28,400 --> 01:28:31,040
Speaker 4: in the lineup. Last year, people blamed him a lot

1838
01:28:31,120 --> 01:28:34,840
Speaker 4: for the Heat's problems, saying his trade request was hanging

1839
01:28:34,880 --> 01:28:36,760
Speaker 4: over the team, but they were also bad once he

1840
01:28:36,800 --> 01:28:38,960
Speaker 4: finally did get traded, twenty four and thirty three in

1841
01:28:39,000 --> 01:28:42,400
Speaker 4: the games they played without Jimmy Butler last season. A

1842
01:28:42,479 --> 01:28:44,680
Speaker 4: large part of that was because the Heat couldn't win

1843
01:28:44,720 --> 01:28:46,680
Speaker 4: clutch games. They were twenty eighth in the league and

1844
01:28:46,720 --> 01:28:48,680
Speaker 4: clutch wins last year. So if you're looking at this

1845
01:28:48,720 --> 01:28:52,160
Speaker 4: from a glass half full perspective, better luck.

1846
01:28:52,040 --> 01:28:52,639
Speaker 3: More wins.

1847
01:28:53,080 --> 01:28:56,320
Speaker 4: If you're looking at it in a glass half empty situation,

1848
01:28:56,400 --> 01:28:59,160
Speaker 4: you're saying Tyler hero is already out. He is their

1849
01:28:59,240 --> 01:29:05,160
Speaker 4: main clutch player, so maybe fewer clutch wins. I still

1850
01:29:05,160 --> 01:29:06,519
Speaker 4: think the Heat that we're going to have a top

1851
01:29:06,560 --> 01:29:09,280
Speaker 4: ten off top ten defense. They'll probably finish in the

1852
01:29:09,280 --> 01:29:14,439
Speaker 4: bottom ten on offense as well. I think they go over,

1853
01:29:14,600 --> 01:29:17,040
Speaker 4: but I think they finish under five hundred. So give

1854
01:29:17,080 --> 01:29:19,360
Speaker 4: me thirty eight or thirty nine wins for the Miami Heat,

1855
01:29:19,600 --> 01:29:22,000
Speaker 4: a slight over Skeets.

1856
01:29:22,040 --> 01:29:24,439
Speaker 2: What do you think of this line here? Thirty seven

1857
01:29:24,520 --> 01:29:25,320
Speaker 2: and a half.

1858
01:29:25,600 --> 01:29:30,559
Speaker 3: I'm glad Trey brought up their abysmal play in the clutch.

1859
01:29:30,600 --> 01:29:33,360
Speaker 3: They lost so many games that they were like leading

1860
01:29:33,400 --> 01:29:36,439
Speaker 3: by double digits or leading when they entered the third quarter,

1861
01:29:36,840 --> 01:29:39,240
Speaker 3: and then when it got into clutch time. I think

1862
01:29:39,240 --> 01:29:41,439
Speaker 3: they had a fourteen and twenty eight record in clutch

1863
01:29:41,479 --> 01:29:44,439
Speaker 3: games and they still finished thirty seven to forty five,

1864
01:29:44,640 --> 01:29:47,439
Speaker 3: and they still had a positive net rating, which is

1865
01:29:47,479 --> 01:29:49,880
Speaker 3: really weird. So I think that does flip back a

1866
01:29:49,960 --> 01:29:53,639
Speaker 3: little bit here. There is no Jimmy Butler cloud hanging

1867
01:29:53,680 --> 01:29:56,200
Speaker 3: over them at the start of the season. There's a

1868
01:29:56,280 --> 01:29:58,600
Speaker 3: question mark, especially with the Tyler hero injury. It's like

1869
01:29:58,600 --> 01:30:01,320
Speaker 3: who is starting for this team? Like, what is the lineup?

1870
01:30:01,360 --> 01:30:04,920
Speaker 3: Is it Mitchell, Powell, Wiggins, bam and where? Like are

1871
01:30:04,920 --> 01:30:06,880
Speaker 3: they going with that? Are they going to go a

1872
01:30:06,880 --> 01:30:11,120
Speaker 3: little differently? But I think it's enough to be a

1873
01:30:11,479 --> 01:30:13,560
Speaker 3: ballpark five hundred team. I think this line is a

1874
01:30:13,600 --> 01:30:15,599
Speaker 3: little low for them. I think if this was thirty

1875
01:30:15,680 --> 01:30:19,040
Speaker 3: nine forty, I probably go the other way. But give

1876
01:30:19,040 --> 01:30:23,240
Speaker 3: me the over, give me the over. That's just odd

1877
01:30:23,240 --> 01:30:25,360
Speaker 3: to have still a positive net rating and blow all

1878
01:30:25,400 --> 01:30:28,320
Speaker 3: those games. I think the luck, you know, flips a

1879
01:30:28,320 --> 01:30:29,240
Speaker 3: little bit in their favor.

1880
01:30:30,200 --> 01:30:32,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't buy that. Jimmy Butler was a huge

1881
01:30:32,680 --> 01:30:35,960
Speaker 2: cloud on this team. They started twenty and seventeen. That's

1882
01:30:35,960 --> 01:30:38,960
Speaker 2: pretty solid. And the fact that they go and get

1883
01:30:39,479 --> 01:30:42,320
Speaker 2: Norm Norman Powell to be their leading scorer. Will I

1884
01:30:42,360 --> 01:30:48,240
Speaker 2: think it'll cancel the Tyler hero injury. Decent a decent amount.

1885
01:30:48,560 --> 01:30:52,000
Speaker 2: Nikola Yovic, I think we'll have his best season young guy. Yeah,

1886
01:30:52,280 --> 01:30:55,160
Speaker 2: man start too, he'll probably start. I imagine he will

1887
01:30:55,240 --> 01:30:58,080
Speaker 2: him a Hawk as we'll have a bounce back here.

1888
01:30:58,240 --> 01:31:01,919
Speaker 2: It can't be worse than it's season. Andrew m Wiggins

1889
01:31:02,080 --> 01:31:06,080
Speaker 2: there for the beginning of the season can't be worse either.

1890
01:31:07,040 --> 01:31:09,200
Speaker 2: I think Eric Spoelstra goes really really deep with this

1891
01:31:09,240 --> 01:31:11,120
Speaker 2: team because there's a bunch of guys and I think

1892
01:31:11,120 --> 01:31:14,120
Speaker 2: there'll be good enough to win over thirty seven wins.

1893
01:31:14,720 --> 01:31:17,240
Speaker 2: So whether or not they hit five hundred, I still

1894
01:31:17,280 --> 01:31:18,720
Speaker 2: think they're they're an over for me.

1895
01:31:19,400 --> 01:31:22,360
Speaker 4: Yeah. The hero, however long heroes out, I think kind

1896
01:31:22,360 --> 01:31:25,479
Speaker 4: of determines this because he was he's foot surgery right,

1897
01:31:25,479 --> 01:31:27,680
Speaker 4: so he's out for quite some time. Ye if he

1898
01:31:27,760 --> 01:31:31,320
Speaker 4: misses like all of November and they're playing catch up,

1899
01:31:31,439 --> 01:31:34,280
Speaker 4: I think they're definitely on under. But as of now,

1900
01:31:34,880 --> 01:31:38,000
Speaker 4: I'm hoping he heals quickly barely over.

1901
01:31:39,320 --> 01:31:41,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, he'll be back some point in November, but yes,

1902
01:31:41,920 --> 01:31:46,080
Speaker 2: it could be late November, and again he'd have a

1903
01:31:46,120 --> 01:31:48,040
Speaker 2: bunch of guys. But will they be able to score?

1904
01:31:48,040 --> 01:31:51,320
Speaker 2: As the question because their defense will be solid as always?

1905
01:31:51,360 --> 01:31:55,519
Speaker 2: All right? Moving on to the Orlando Magic, pegged at

1906
01:31:55,680 --> 01:32:00,000
Speaker 2: fifty and a half wins. WHOA what do you think

1907
01:32:00,040 --> 01:32:02,400
Speaker 2: exis is an over or under on a team that

1908
01:32:02,520 --> 01:32:03,880
Speaker 2: was five hundred last year.

1909
01:32:04,600 --> 01:32:07,000
Speaker 3: I'm hesitant to go over because I did it last

1910
01:32:07,080 --> 01:32:10,040
Speaker 3: year and then I got screwed by the Obliques. The

1911
01:32:10,080 --> 01:32:13,560
Speaker 3: Obliques did me in or at least That's what I'm

1912
01:32:13,600 --> 01:32:17,960
Speaker 3: convincing myself. But I'm gonna go over. I love the

1913
01:32:17,960 --> 01:32:20,240
Speaker 3: addition to being I know it cost him a lot

1914
01:32:20,320 --> 01:32:23,280
Speaker 3: of draft capital, but the guy is exactly what they need.

1915
01:32:23,600 --> 01:32:26,479
Speaker 3: They they need a boost in perimeter shooting. The guys

1916
01:32:26,479 --> 01:32:31,080
Speaker 3: are really good three point shooter. They only hit eleven

1917
01:32:31,120 --> 01:32:34,120
Speaker 3: point two to three pointers per game last year, one

1918
01:32:34,120 --> 01:32:35,960
Speaker 3: of the worst when it came to three point percentage

1919
01:32:35,960 --> 01:32:38,519
Speaker 3: as well, like some thirty two percent. Those are bad,

1920
01:32:38,680 --> 01:32:43,040
Speaker 3: bad numbers in today's NBA. So formula simple, boost the offense,

1921
01:32:43,120 --> 01:32:47,040
Speaker 3: keep that elite defense, that lockdown defense, and I like it.

1922
01:32:47,160 --> 01:32:50,519
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna be basically banking on this is the

1923
01:32:50,520 --> 01:32:52,240
Speaker 3: team of those three I sort of pitched to you

1924
01:32:52,280 --> 01:32:54,840
Speaker 3: guys sort of the Hawks, the Pistons, and then the

1925
01:32:54,880 --> 01:32:57,160
Speaker 3: Magic as the one I think does sort of break

1926
01:32:57,280 --> 01:33:00,799
Speaker 3: out into that next level, hoping bank Hero and Franz

1927
01:33:00,840 --> 01:33:04,719
Speaker 3: play coming off best years for both those guys, big numbers.

1928
01:33:05,080 --> 01:33:07,000
Speaker 3: Just need to be healthy. And Joe and Suggs too.

1929
01:33:07,200 --> 01:33:09,840
Speaker 3: He's like the ultimate, like blue guy. When he plays,

1930
01:33:09,840 --> 01:33:12,120
Speaker 3: they're good. And he was setting career highs across the

1931
01:33:12,160 --> 01:33:14,280
Speaker 3: board and then his knee you know, went out on

1932
01:33:14,360 --> 01:33:15,920
Speaker 3: him there and he had to have surgery in March.

1933
01:33:16,000 --> 01:33:19,840
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna drink the kool aid. It looks good.

1934
01:33:20,000 --> 01:33:22,240
Speaker 3: They have an identity, that defensive identity, and now they're

1935
01:33:22,280 --> 01:33:25,840
Speaker 3: adding some hopeful punch to their three point shooting, and

1936
01:33:25,880 --> 01:33:28,360
Speaker 3: they need to improvements from ben Caro and Franz as well.

1937
01:33:28,360 --> 01:33:31,479
Speaker 3: It's can't just be bane, you know, hitting three or

1938
01:33:31,479 --> 01:33:33,639
Speaker 3: four three is a game, But I believe in it enough.

1939
01:33:33,680 --> 01:33:35,160
Speaker 3: I like that. I love a team that sort of

1940
01:33:35,200 --> 01:33:37,240
Speaker 3: knows who they are and are trying to improve the

1941
01:33:37,240 --> 01:33:39,920
Speaker 3: things that they suffer at. So I'll go just over.

1942
01:33:40,280 --> 01:33:41,640
Speaker 3: They're not gonna be a sixty one team, but I

1943
01:33:41,640 --> 01:33:42,639
Speaker 3: think they're low fifties.

1944
01:33:43,040 --> 01:33:45,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, forty one and forty one last year, and that's

1945
01:33:45,080 --> 01:33:47,760
Speaker 4: with sixty games from Franz, forty six from Palo, and

1946
01:33:47,800 --> 01:33:50,519
Speaker 4: I think Suggs only played thirty five. He doesn't seem

1947
01:33:50,560 --> 01:33:52,639
Speaker 4: like he's totally ready for the start of the scene

1948
01:33:52,680 --> 01:33:55,400
Speaker 4: on Suggs, but you know they brought in Tias Jones

1949
01:33:55,400 --> 01:33:57,840
Speaker 4: as a good backup point guard. Jase Richardson has been

1950
01:33:57,920 --> 01:34:01,559
Speaker 4: running with the starters I've seen in Jay and Suggs's absence,

1951
01:34:01,600 --> 01:34:03,800
Speaker 4: and then the addition of Baine definitely helps on the

1952
01:34:03,840 --> 01:34:05,759
Speaker 4: offensive end. It feels like this should be a regular

1953
01:34:05,840 --> 01:34:09,799
Speaker 4: season wins machine because they've been second in defense last season,

1954
01:34:09,960 --> 01:34:12,960
Speaker 4: the season prior as well. You assume that's gonna stay

1955
01:34:13,120 --> 01:34:15,719
Speaker 4: strong that end of the ball Top five for sure,

1956
01:34:16,280 --> 01:34:18,600
Speaker 4: if Franz, Polo and Baine are able to stay on

1957
01:34:18,640 --> 01:34:21,439
Speaker 4: the court. Been a question mark with Bain as well.

1958
01:34:21,960 --> 01:34:24,519
Speaker 4: I think their offense creeps out of the twenties. We're

1959
01:34:24,520 --> 01:34:27,680
Speaker 4: talking about low teams, which would be amazing for the

1960
01:34:27,760 --> 01:34:30,120
Speaker 4: Orlando Magic. They would be like seven seconds or less

1961
01:34:30,160 --> 01:34:34,320
Speaker 4: suns if that happens. So if they keep their good defense,

1962
01:34:34,400 --> 01:34:37,120
Speaker 4: we're all expecting their offense to take a step forward.

1963
01:34:37,640 --> 01:34:39,479
Speaker 4: That means you have to be looking more at the

1964
01:34:39,479 --> 01:34:41,760
Speaker 4: twenty three to twenty four season, Franz and Polo both

1965
01:34:41,760 --> 01:34:44,960
Speaker 4: played seventy games, Orlando one forty seven, So I'm kind

1966
01:34:44,960 --> 01:34:47,120
Speaker 4: of judging it more so off that I think this

1967
01:34:47,160 --> 01:34:48,000
Speaker 4: is an over as well.

1968
01:34:48,640 --> 01:34:52,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll go the over. Hopefully those two guys play.

1969
01:34:52,000 --> 01:34:54,240
Speaker 2: There's no doubt. I think they just have so much

1970
01:34:54,400 --> 01:34:57,960
Speaker 2: less pressure now. You just watch a lot of those possessions.

1971
01:34:58,000 --> 01:35:02,080
Speaker 2: It's literally those guys handling the ball, creating on their own.

1972
01:35:02,680 --> 01:35:06,040
Speaker 2: Desman being known for a shooter, but also can create

1973
01:35:06,600 --> 01:35:08,800
Speaker 2: five assists per game in the last couple of seasons.

1974
01:35:09,400 --> 01:35:14,240
Speaker 2: He can create on the ball. He can definitely attack closeouts,

1975
01:35:14,320 --> 01:35:18,080
Speaker 2: and he'll just create space for those two guys. Hopefully

1976
01:35:18,160 --> 01:35:20,840
Speaker 2: Jalen Sos is on the floor with him and these

1977
01:35:20,880 --> 01:35:24,680
Speaker 2: little tiny moves like Tyas Jones, that's an improvement. He

1978
01:35:24,760 --> 01:35:27,400
Speaker 2: will take the minutes of Corey. Joseph literally was starting

1979
01:35:27,479 --> 01:35:29,679
Speaker 2: for a ton of games for them last year when

1980
01:35:29,760 --> 01:35:33,759
Speaker 2: Socks was injured. Jace Richardson's an exciting guy. He's probably

1981
01:35:33,760 --> 01:35:37,080
Speaker 2: gonna be their sixth man, I would guess, and he's

1982
01:35:37,160 --> 01:35:40,559
Speaker 2: going to be good. He looks good in preseason because

1983
01:35:40,560 --> 01:35:43,599
Speaker 2: that means a lot, but he is obviously a talented guy.

1984
01:35:43,800 --> 01:35:46,200
Speaker 4: So plus one ninety four to get to fifty five

1985
01:35:46,280 --> 01:35:49,080
Speaker 4: or more wins the magic I like, you likely?

1986
01:35:49,120 --> 01:35:50,639
Speaker 3: Do you think that is fifty five wins?

1987
01:35:50,640 --> 01:35:53,599
Speaker 4: That's a lot. That's like you're challenging for the one

1988
01:35:53,640 --> 01:35:55,400
Speaker 4: than you are you are.

1989
01:35:56,520 --> 01:35:58,920
Speaker 2: I wouldn't take that. I wouldn't take that line. I'd

1990
01:35:59,040 --> 01:36:02,240
Speaker 2: rather bet the Knicks plus fifty five with the Calves

1991
01:36:02,280 --> 01:36:05,920
Speaker 2: plus fifty five. How many fifty five teams wins? Can

1992
01:36:05,960 --> 01:36:08,479
Speaker 2: you have? Fifty five win teams? Can you have in

1993
01:36:08,880 --> 01:36:09,439
Speaker 2: a conference?

1994
01:36:09,640 --> 01:36:12,840
Speaker 3: It was to last year. Yeah, it's it's usually one

1995
01:36:12,880 --> 01:36:14,080
Speaker 3: to three, I think, right.

1996
01:36:14,360 --> 01:36:16,519
Speaker 2: I guess as possible to have three. It's in an

1997
01:36:16,520 --> 01:36:18,680
Speaker 2: Eastern Conference. I guess it is possible.

1998
01:36:18,880 --> 01:36:22,000
Speaker 3: But I think Trey, you said that you slipped in there.

1999
01:36:22,040 --> 01:36:24,799
Speaker 3: They just feel like they're going to be a regular

2000
01:36:24,880 --> 01:36:29,840
Speaker 3: season machine again, like health bearing, Like they're like they're

2001
01:36:29,880 --> 01:36:32,400
Speaker 3: already flirting right with the second aprin like it's coming,

2002
01:36:32,560 --> 01:36:34,640
Speaker 3: like it's looming. I guess, so it's sort of like

2003
01:36:35,120 --> 01:36:37,280
Speaker 3: I gotta start winning now, we gotta start like really

2004
01:36:37,360 --> 01:36:39,160
Speaker 3: showing that we're one of the elite teams in the

2005
01:36:39,160 --> 01:36:41,080
Speaker 3: Eastern Conference. So I do think they're going to approach,

2006
01:36:41,160 --> 01:36:42,680
Speaker 3: and when you have an awesome defense, you can do

2007
01:36:42,720 --> 01:36:45,240
Speaker 3: that as well, even on nights where you're struggling to

2008
01:36:45,280 --> 01:36:47,240
Speaker 3: score like they were last year. And still we're a

2009
01:36:47,240 --> 01:36:49,479
Speaker 3: five hundred team and we think that's going to improve.

2010
01:36:49,520 --> 01:36:51,479
Speaker 3: So that's why I do like them winning fifty one

2011
01:36:51,479 --> 01:36:54,920
Speaker 3: plus here and jumping up sort of into the conversation

2012
01:36:55,080 --> 01:36:57,679
Speaker 3: at least of the better teams in the Eastern Conference.

2013
01:36:58,680 --> 01:37:00,920
Speaker 3: I do some trivia for you guys. I know it's

2014
01:37:00,960 --> 01:37:04,360
Speaker 3: been a while. Ben Carrow twenty five point nine points

2015
01:37:04,360 --> 01:37:07,080
Speaker 3: per game, Franz Wagner twenty four point two, both coming

2016
01:37:07,080 --> 01:37:09,599
Speaker 3: off career years. Like I said, they're one of only

2017
01:37:09,680 --> 01:37:13,960
Speaker 3: three returning healthy duos to each average twenty four plus

2018
01:37:13,960 --> 01:37:16,360
Speaker 3: points per game. Can you name the other two duos

2019
01:37:16,800 --> 01:37:18,920
Speaker 3: to score over twenty four points per game that are

2020
01:37:19,080 --> 01:37:21,240
Speaker 3: that are both healthy that coming into the season.

2021
01:37:20,960 --> 01:37:30,719
Speaker 4: Here, Okay, both healthy coming into the season. Yeah, twenty

2022
01:37:30,760 --> 01:37:32,960
Speaker 4: four plus last season.

2023
01:37:33,560 --> 01:37:35,760
Speaker 3: We're just yeah, right, going off the last season. So

2024
01:37:35,880 --> 01:37:39,240
Speaker 3: points per Yeah, it's a pretty obvious one.

2025
01:37:40,880 --> 01:37:44,839
Speaker 4: Uh, pretty obvious one to Townsend Brunson.

2026
01:37:45,120 --> 01:37:48,160
Speaker 3: There you go, Yes, there you go. I was gonna

2027
01:37:48,160 --> 01:37:51,280
Speaker 3: say maybe the other one was even more obvious. There

2028
01:37:51,360 --> 01:37:52,600
Speaker 3: you go, there you go.

2029
01:37:52,840 --> 01:37:57,720
Speaker 4: I haven't thought about the Western Conference in Wednesday and

2030
01:37:58,360 --> 01:37:58,880
Speaker 4: was there more?

2031
01:37:59,479 --> 01:38:04,040
Speaker 3: No, that's it again, healthy coming into this season. Yeah,

2032
01:38:04,080 --> 01:38:06,600
Speaker 3: it's Luca Lebron, and then it's Kat and Brunson, and

2033
01:38:06,600 --> 01:38:10,200
Speaker 3: then Polo and Ben Carroll sorry Pallo in the front.

2034
01:38:11,200 --> 01:38:15,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, Tatum and Brown obviously would have been there. Yes, yes, yes, he.

2035
01:38:15,720 --> 01:38:16,280
Speaker 3: Didn't get there.

2036
01:38:16,760 --> 01:38:18,840
Speaker 2: Actually no, Jaylen Brown only had twenty two point two

2037
01:38:18,880 --> 01:38:21,800
Speaker 2: points per game last year, so yeah, twenty four.

2038
01:38:22,080 --> 01:38:23,679
Speaker 3: I guess that's why you called him a role player,

2039
01:38:23,680 --> 01:38:24,120
Speaker 3: no joke.

2040
01:38:24,240 --> 01:38:28,040
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I went there earlier on this off season. Yeah,

2041
01:38:28,040 --> 01:38:31,439
Speaker 2: I hope his knees all right, obviously that's a factor.

2042
01:38:32,640 --> 01:38:36,200
Speaker 2: Let's get to a team that there really aren't any

2043
01:38:36,240 --> 01:38:41,000
Speaker 2: factors to talk about. I would say, uh, sorry, Washington Wizards,

2044
01:38:41,280 --> 01:38:44,280
Speaker 2: Will you be better than the Brooklyn Nets? I don't know.

2045
01:38:44,800 --> 01:38:47,439
Speaker 2: I don't know. What's the name of our bet later

2046
01:38:47,520 --> 01:38:49,920
Speaker 2: on in the season where we bet on it will

2047
01:38:49,960 --> 01:38:53,400
Speaker 2: be the nut Dust Bowl. Yes, the team that's got

2048
01:38:53,400 --> 01:38:57,639
Speaker 2: to stay out of this cellar, it's the Wizards. It's

2049
01:38:57,680 --> 01:39:00,519
Speaker 2: the Nets. In the Eastern Conference. The Wizards line is

2050
01:39:00,560 --> 01:39:02,599
Speaker 2: twenty one and a half, so higher than the nets.

2051
01:39:03,040 --> 01:39:06,000
Speaker 2: They're eighteen and sixty four last year. Who wants to start,

2052
01:39:06,240 --> 01:39:08,240
Speaker 2: I'll get leave it open to anybody who wants to

2053
01:39:08,240 --> 01:39:10,280
Speaker 2: start about the Washington, Oh Wizards.

2054
01:39:10,280 --> 01:39:13,480
Speaker 3: I'll start this one because maybe it's a little surprising.

2055
01:39:14,640 --> 01:39:16,559
Speaker 3: I think they're doing the right thing here in Washington

2056
01:39:16,720 --> 01:39:19,639
Speaker 3: right and they're taking baby steps definition of baby steps

2057
01:39:19,640 --> 01:39:21,920
Speaker 3: because they're all young kids. They basically are all babies.

2058
01:39:22,280 --> 01:39:25,040
Speaker 3: Their rookies played a crazy high percentage of the team's

2059
01:39:25,040 --> 01:39:28,639
Speaker 3: minutes last year. They feature ten former first round picks

2060
01:39:28,920 --> 01:39:31,200
Speaker 3: on this roster. Now you've got Trey Johnson number six

2061
01:39:31,240 --> 01:39:34,000
Speaker 3: pick because they didn't have lottery luck and sort of

2062
01:39:34,560 --> 01:39:38,439
Speaker 3: slid down there. But they went fifteen and sixty seven

2063
01:39:38,479 --> 01:39:42,960
Speaker 3: two years ago, eighteen and sixty four last year. And

2064
01:39:43,040 --> 01:39:46,320
Speaker 3: I like them to win four more games than they

2065
01:39:46,360 --> 01:39:49,519
Speaker 3: did last year and hit the over I'm going over here,

2066
01:39:50,400 --> 01:39:52,360
Speaker 3: which I can't believe I'm saying, because I don't think

2067
01:39:52,360 --> 01:39:54,080
Speaker 3: I've ever done that with the Wizards. But I like,

2068
01:39:54,120 --> 01:39:56,320
Speaker 3: at least the front office is like valuing all these

2069
01:39:56,320 --> 01:39:58,360
Speaker 3: bites at the apple, like trying to get all these picks.

2070
01:39:58,360 --> 01:40:00,640
Speaker 3: They're hoping to hit maybe on one or two of

2071
01:40:00,640 --> 01:40:04,880
Speaker 3: these and have like Cornerstone guys. But I just don't

2072
01:40:04,880 --> 01:40:07,360
Speaker 3: think they're like the worst of the worst. Like I

2073
01:40:07,400 --> 01:40:08,840
Speaker 3: think the Nets are going to actually have a worse

2074
01:40:08,920 --> 01:40:12,519
Speaker 3: record than the Washington Wizards. So I'm going over Trey

2075
01:40:13,320 --> 01:40:16,120
Speaker 3: because I don't know.

2076
01:40:16,760 --> 01:40:20,320
Speaker 4: Man, they've got the worst best player in the league. Yeah,

2077
01:40:20,439 --> 01:40:23,880
Speaker 4: name their best player. That's the problem.

2078
01:40:23,920 --> 01:40:28,720
Speaker 3: The Wizard's best player in twenty five twenty six. It's

2079
01:40:28,720 --> 01:40:33,439
Speaker 3: a great question, is it Alex Sarah right?

2080
01:40:33,640 --> 01:40:36,280
Speaker 4: Say McCollum. Still, I mean, that's the thing. It could

2081
01:40:36,280 --> 01:40:39,000
Speaker 4: be Chris Middleton or CJ McCollum. Yeah, they won't be

2082
01:40:39,000 --> 01:40:40,519
Speaker 4: on the team at the end of the year. No,

2083
01:40:40,920 --> 01:40:45,120
Speaker 4: it could be Alex Sar could be Little Bali. They

2084
01:40:45,160 --> 01:40:48,320
Speaker 4: both struggled in EuroBasket. They've taken a lot of bites

2085
01:40:48,320 --> 01:40:51,040
Speaker 4: at the Apple, none of them delicious, yet some of them. Okay,

2086
01:40:52,720 --> 01:40:55,200
Speaker 4: the pick is top eight protected. I think they're going

2087
01:40:55,280 --> 01:40:57,679
Speaker 4: to keep it. I think the reason that this over

2088
01:40:57,800 --> 01:41:00,719
Speaker 4: under is a win higher than the next is because

2089
01:41:00,840 --> 01:41:04,679
Speaker 4: they do have better vets right now in Middleton and McCollums.

2090
01:41:04,720 --> 01:41:07,280
Speaker 4: C J. McCollum has scored twenty plus points per game

2091
01:41:07,320 --> 01:41:10,720
Speaker 4: for like ten straight seasons, a crazy run for that guy,

2092
01:41:10,800 --> 01:41:15,400
Speaker 4: but been doing it mostly in obscurity. He's probably approaching

2093
01:41:15,400 --> 01:41:18,320
Speaker 4: twenty points per game easily on this team. But I

2094
01:41:18,360 --> 01:41:21,880
Speaker 4: do think the Wizards will be the second worst team

2095
01:41:21,920 --> 01:41:23,800
Speaker 4: in the Eastern Conference. I'm still going under the I

2096
01:41:23,840 --> 01:41:27,360
Speaker 4: think they win like twenty which would be an improvement

2097
01:41:27,640 --> 01:41:29,760
Speaker 4: over the past two years. It's bad when you win

2098
01:41:29,800 --> 01:41:31,439
Speaker 4: eighteen games, and that's an improvement.

2099
01:41:33,400 --> 01:41:35,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hard to see them winning a bunch of games.

2100
01:41:35,920 --> 01:41:38,080
Speaker 2: I'm debating are they going to win more than the

2101
01:41:38,120 --> 01:41:38,920
Speaker 2: Brooklyn Nets?

2102
01:41:38,960 --> 01:41:41,160
Speaker 3: Can they win enough before they trade the Vets?

2103
01:41:41,680 --> 01:41:43,920
Speaker 4: Yeah? Be over because that's what they did last year.

2104
01:41:44,160 --> 01:41:46,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't have young guys that are gonna do

2105
01:41:46,840 --> 01:41:51,720
Speaker 2: enough in Keishawn, George, Alex Aar, Bob Carrington. It could

2106
01:41:51,760 --> 01:41:55,679
Speaker 2: be Cam whitmore time getting out of Houston to try

2107
01:41:56,439 --> 01:42:00,360
Speaker 2: more of a lead role, but I don't see it either.

2108
01:42:01,640 --> 01:42:04,240
Speaker 2: A lot cool Bally's injured to start the season. There's

2109
01:42:04,280 --> 01:42:08,519
Speaker 2: a Canadian Well Riley's going to help out, but not

2110
01:42:08,720 --> 01:42:12,760
Speaker 2: enough guys. I think I think that line is too high.

2111
01:42:13,320 --> 01:42:15,120
Speaker 2: I can't wait. I can't wait. I can't wait till

2112
01:42:15,120 --> 01:42:17,479
Speaker 2: it comes down to the nut dust Bowl, Nets or

2113
01:42:17,520 --> 01:42:19,240
Speaker 2: Wizards at the end of the year, it's going to

2114
01:42:19,280 --> 01:42:19,880
Speaker 2: be a part of it.

2115
01:42:20,560 --> 01:42:22,679
Speaker 3: Well, I guess I get the Wizards by default, you guys,

2116
01:42:22,680 --> 01:42:23,920
Speaker 3: sounds like you guys are taking the under.

2117
01:42:25,760 --> 01:42:28,600
Speaker 4: You might want the Jazz, and the Jazz will be

2118
01:42:28,680 --> 01:42:29,720
Speaker 4: challenging for worst team in the.

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01:42:29,720 --> 01:42:32,800
Speaker 2: League for sure, back back in the Nut Dust Bowl,

2120
01:42:32,800 --> 01:42:36,559
Speaker 2: the Utah Jazz. All right, that's it. All fifteen teams

2121
01:42:38,080 --> 01:42:40,880
Speaker 2: over under? Did we go one hundred minutes so far?

2122
01:42:41,240 --> 01:42:44,559
Speaker 2: Talking about the We're.

2123
01:42:44,200 --> 01:42:46,080
Speaker 4: Very close to right at one hundred right now?

2124
01:42:46,120 --> 01:42:49,640
Speaker 2: I got one O two? Yeah, all right? So what

2125
01:42:49,680 --> 01:42:52,479
Speaker 2: are your three Eastern Conference over under locks? Tray start

2126
01:42:52,520 --> 01:42:54,240
Speaker 2: with you give us your three please.

2127
01:42:54,040 --> 01:42:58,519
Speaker 4: Okay, I'll take two overs for locks. To begin with

2128
01:42:58,640 --> 01:43:01,280
Speaker 4: the Knicks over fifty three and a half. I think

2129
01:43:01,320 --> 01:43:04,559
Speaker 4: they will have the best record in the Eastern Conference

2130
01:43:06,000 --> 01:43:08,760
Speaker 4: over fifty five wins, I assume for the next I'm

2131
01:43:08,760 --> 01:43:11,479
Speaker 4: also going with the Orlando Magic over fifty and a

2132
01:43:11,520 --> 01:43:15,200
Speaker 4: half wins. Should also finish top three in the Eastern Conference.

2133
01:43:15,200 --> 01:43:17,400
Speaker 4: Wouldn't surprise me if they surpassed the Cavs. So give

2134
01:43:17,439 --> 01:43:20,200
Speaker 4: me the over on the Knicks and the Magic fifty

2135
01:43:20,240 --> 01:43:23,000
Speaker 4: three and a half and fifty and a half, respectively.

2136
01:43:23,760 --> 01:43:25,519
Speaker 4: I will take one other under, and that's gonna be

2137
01:43:25,560 --> 01:43:27,679
Speaker 4: the seventy six ers under forty three and a half.

2138
01:43:28,080 --> 01:43:32,080
Speaker 4: Not a lot of confidence in this one, but you

2139
01:43:32,120 --> 01:43:34,360
Speaker 4: can do okay betting against the seventy six ers, and

2140
01:43:34,400 --> 01:43:36,600
Speaker 4: that's what I would do under forty three and a

2141
01:43:36,640 --> 01:43:37,760
Speaker 4: half for Philadelphia.

2142
01:43:37,880 --> 01:43:41,240
Speaker 2: All right, Skeets, what are your three locks.

2143
01:43:41,920 --> 01:43:45,040
Speaker 3: I'm doing some quick typing over here, because incredibly, Trey

2144
01:43:45,080 --> 01:43:47,040
Speaker 3: and I had some of our locks the same, so

2145
01:43:47,080 --> 01:43:49,000
Speaker 3: I wanted to switch at least one of them, which

2146
01:43:49,000 --> 01:43:52,960
Speaker 3: I just did. I'm going over over over this year,

2147
01:43:53,560 --> 01:43:57,679
Speaker 3: red Rover, red Rover, We're going over. I want the magic.

2148
01:43:57,880 --> 01:44:00,920
Speaker 3: So that's where I agree with Trey half. I like it.

2149
01:44:01,439 --> 01:44:03,639
Speaker 3: That's one of my locks. I already said the bucks

2150
01:44:04,200 --> 01:44:07,920
Speaker 3: I believe in Giannis MVP honis forty two and a half.

2151
01:44:08,000 --> 01:44:11,120
Speaker 3: That's enough for me. And then I'm gonna I agree

2152
01:44:11,160 --> 01:44:13,040
Speaker 3: with your Sixers one, Trey. I was gonna take them

2153
01:44:13,040 --> 01:44:15,240
Speaker 3: as an under, but I will swerve just for fun here,

2154
01:44:15,640 --> 01:44:18,360
Speaker 3: and I'm gonna take the Miami Heat over thirty seven

2155
01:44:18,400 --> 01:44:20,160
Speaker 3: and a half, which still feels like a weird blind

2156
01:44:20,200 --> 01:44:26,080
Speaker 3: to me. So I'm going over Orlando, Milwaukee, Miami triple

2157
01:44:26,200 --> 01:44:30,320
Speaker 3: m with the Magic Magic Milwaukee my.

2158
01:44:33,040 --> 01:44:35,360
Speaker 2: Three. I also agree in the Knicks over fifty three

2159
01:44:35,360 --> 01:44:39,360
Speaker 2: and a half just too good, getting better. I'm gonna

2160
01:44:39,400 --> 01:44:41,880
Speaker 2: take the Bulls as an over lock at thirty two

2161
01:44:41,880 --> 01:44:45,360
Speaker 2: and a half. I do think it's important that in

2162
01:44:45,439 --> 01:44:48,240
Speaker 2: March and April they got something to play for. They

2163
01:44:48,280 --> 01:44:51,719
Speaker 2: will be playing for that plan getting those few extra wins.

2164
01:44:52,240 --> 01:44:55,040
Speaker 2: They can do that. And I'm locking the under on

2165
01:44:55,080 --> 01:44:59,400
Speaker 2: the Charlotte Hornets. Man, this is a bit spiteful because

2166
01:44:59,439 --> 01:45:02,800
Speaker 2: I locked them the other direction last year and I

2167
01:45:02,880 --> 01:45:08,120
Speaker 2: was banking on Lamello I like a lot of people. Yeah,

2168
01:45:08,160 --> 01:45:10,320
Speaker 2: it's just hard to see. It's it's a low number

2169
01:45:10,320 --> 01:45:13,599
Speaker 2: in twenty six and a half because yes, they could

2170
01:45:13,680 --> 01:45:16,559
Speaker 2: win twenty seven or twenty eight games, but it's hard

2171
01:45:16,600 --> 01:45:20,360
Speaker 2: to see what that roster. So my next my Bulls

2172
01:45:20,400 --> 01:45:22,479
Speaker 2: overs and my Hornets as an under.

2173
01:45:22,960 --> 01:45:26,720
Speaker 3: Some fun stuff, all right, nine and oh oh wait,

2174
01:45:27,080 --> 01:45:28,400
Speaker 3: no we had some duplicates.

2175
01:45:28,400 --> 01:45:32,200
Speaker 2: Never mind, I think it's a seven and oh seven

2176
01:45:32,240 --> 01:45:34,880
Speaker 2: and oh yeah, perfect, we'll do it. We'll share this

2177
01:45:34,920 --> 01:45:38,439
Speaker 2: on our socials. Obviously we got a new logo out

2178
01:45:38,439 --> 01:45:40,960
Speaker 2: there as well. I didn't mention that during our show.

2179
01:45:40,960 --> 01:45:44,439
Speaker 2: A lot of things changing around here. We'll be back

2180
01:45:44,640 --> 01:45:50,080
Speaker 2: on Wednesday for the over under Western Conference fifteen teams

2181
01:45:50,080 --> 01:45:52,559
Speaker 2: in debate there. Actually I got to do the math

2182
01:45:52,640 --> 01:45:55,639
Speaker 2: on those, because it did the math like a huge

2183
01:45:55,840 --> 01:45:59,519
Speaker 2: nerd on these Eastern Conference over under totals. Because there's

2184
01:45:59,640 --> 01:46:03,240
Speaker 2: twelve hundred and thirty games in an NBA season, so

2185
01:46:03,520 --> 01:46:06,840
Speaker 2: if the wins are even for each conference, it's six

2186
01:46:06,960 --> 01:46:09,920
Speaker 2: hundred and fifteen wins for each side. But the over

2187
01:46:10,000 --> 01:46:12,200
Speaker 2: unders totaled to like five hundred and ninety seven or

2188
01:46:12,200 --> 01:46:14,320
Speaker 2: five hundred ninety eight in the Eastern Conference.

2189
01:46:14,920 --> 01:46:16,040
Speaker 3: Not a lot of respect for.

2190
01:46:16,000 --> 01:46:18,080
Speaker 2: The Eastern Conference, seems. I wonder if the Western Conference

2191
01:46:18,120 --> 01:46:20,360
Speaker 2: makes up for that, like if it's you know, six

2192
01:46:20,479 --> 01:46:22,599
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty three or whatever.

2193
01:46:23,680 --> 01:46:25,400
Speaker 4: I'm just interested in these numbers.

2194
01:46:25,640 --> 01:46:26,439
Speaker 2: Love these numbers.

2195
01:46:26,520 --> 01:46:27,800
Speaker 4: He pays off to do the math.

2196
01:46:28,439 --> 01:46:32,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess that's what's happening, that the Eastern Conference

2197
01:46:32,280 --> 01:46:35,160
Speaker 2: just pegged to be bad. But we will get into

2198
01:46:35,200 --> 01:46:40,639
Speaker 2: the Western Conference on Wednesday. For now. Clipper bros.

2199
01:46:40,800 --> 01:46:41,759
Speaker 3: You heard it here first.

2200
01:46:41,920 --> 01:46:48,080
Speaker 4: Have a great time, turn up, Love you guys. Awesome me. Yeah, yeah,

2201
01:46:49,000 --> 01:46:51,440
Speaker 4: thanks for joining us. We're back Wednesday.

2202
01:46:52,920 --> 01:46:53,759
Speaker 3: It's free season.

2203
01:46:54,200 --> 01:46:58,519
Speaker 2: You're getting her, getting our legs under us,