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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody, it's your girl, Tarrika Foster Brassby.

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Speaker 2: What's good, y'all, It's Shagirl Cheryl swoops Hey.

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Speaker 3: And this is levels to this the podcast.

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Speaker 1: This is the show where we share that it's levels

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Speaker 1: to the shit that women go through. We have such

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Speaker 1: a fun show and interesting show. Is such a great

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Speaker 1: topic lined up today. But first, you know, Cheryl, you

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Speaker 1: just went to Angola, and I don't think you ever

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Speaker 1: gave us any insight on what that trip.

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Speaker 3: Was, how it was, what went down in Africa. Cis

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Speaker 3: it was long. First of all, let's just talk about

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Speaker 3: how long the flight was.

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Speaker 2: If you throw in the layovers and all of that,

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Speaker 2: it was a good twenty four hours. It was Houston

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Speaker 2: to Miami, Miami to Portugal, Portugal to Luanda, Angola, with

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Speaker 2: six hour layovers in both airports Miami and.

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Speaker 3: Port So it was a long flight.

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Speaker 2: But I have to tell you, so this is the

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Speaker 2: third time I've been blessed to.

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Speaker 3: Go to Africa.

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Speaker 2: Three years ago I went to the Gambia, two years

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Speaker 2: ago I went to Johannesburg, and then this year I

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Speaker 2: went to Luanda, Angola. I have to tell you, if

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Speaker 2: you've never been and for anyone listening, especially black people,

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Speaker 2: if you've never been to the Motherland, you have to

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Speaker 2: put your foot on the soil.

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Speaker 3: It's just such a.

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Speaker 2: Remarkable feeling to know where you are and where we

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Speaker 3: I told someone, this is the first time I went

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Speaker 3: and tea you've been right, I've been twice.

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Speaker 2: So here's what I told someone when I got back,

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Speaker 2: and they were like, what like to me, the air

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Speaker 2: was just different. When I stepped off the plane the

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Speaker 2: very first time I went, I just I started crying,

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Speaker 2: not even knowing why, but I did know why. You

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Speaker 2: know what I mean, if you've never you gotta go.

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Speaker 2: But this trip to Angola, I got to go with

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Speaker 2: the US State Department. And you know the US State Department.

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Speaker 2: They're trying to build relationships back up between the US

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Speaker 3: Now, mind you, this was pre election. Yeah, I just

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Speaker 2: It was just pre election, and so I don't really

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Speaker 2: know how that changes anything. But I will say for

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Speaker 2: me to get an opportunity to go with the State Department,

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Speaker 2: it was really good. We did some basketball clinics for

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Speaker 3: It was great to be in the motherland.

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Speaker 2: It was great to do something useful and needed, and

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Speaker 3: Were so appreciative.

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Speaker 2: And even though the trip getting there was long, I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it always feels like it's worth it. I've been

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Speaker 1: to Africa's twice. I went to South Africa in nineteen

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Speaker 3: Literally took us through what it would have.

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Speaker 1: Been like to be a high school student in South

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Speaker 1: Africa during apartheid. And I was just like, if you

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Speaker 1: didn't think I was a militant before, you certainly turned

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Speaker 1: me into one now because this is wild. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it was a crazy experience, but it was a great experience.

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Speaker 1: I mean we were meeting kids who were willing to

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Speaker 1: and bracelets. I sulf bracelets that I got from that experience.

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Speaker 1: It was an incredible experience. And then I went a

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Speaker 1: and that altogether is different as well, because the northwestern

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Speaker 2: So well, you know, I'm sitting here wiping my eyes

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Speaker 2: And the reason why I'm getting emotional right now, and

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Speaker 2: to see. But this National Museum was an actual slave

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Speaker 3: Tea. Everything in there was original.

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Speaker 2: The flooring was original, the ceiling was original, the steps

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Speaker 3: There were African.

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Speaker 2: Had to just touch the floor right, It was the

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Speaker 3: The chapel was inside of the slave trader's home.

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Speaker 2: They would bring the slaves into the chapel and they

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Speaker 3: Now, mind you, the original little hand.

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Speaker 2: Basin that they used to baptize them, that was there.

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Speaker 2: And so when they were telling us why they baptized

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Speaker 2: They baptized the slaves because they wanted to wash away

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Speaker 3: They put them on the ship.

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Speaker 2: Anyways, this could be a whole episode. But you know,

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Speaker 2: you're thinking you're doing it because you're going to work,

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Speaker 2: for sure, but you think you're doing it for one reason.

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Speaker 2: And for me, it was a moment that I needed

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Speaker 2: I'm glad I was able to do it.

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Speaker 3: That's an awesome experience.

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Speaker 1: And you know, it's a perfect segue into what we're

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Speaker 1: going to talk about on today's show, which is the

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Speaker 1: aspects of transitioning.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, when we have our careers or when we're

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Speaker 3: About what life after that looks like?

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Speaker 1: Right? And I don't know, I'm going to ask you

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Speaker 1: obviously when we get into the meat and potatoes of

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Speaker 1: yourself in a position to be partnering with the State

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Speaker 1: Department for International Relations, which essentially is what this is

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Speaker 1: and how you accept what this new purpose is, what

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Speaker 1: the next. So I'm excited to talk about that with

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Speaker 1: on this. There's why levels to this shit, y'all. That's why,

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Speaker 1: that's why it's levels to this shit. So we're going

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Speaker 3: Guys.

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Speaker 1: I have often heard a lot of people say that

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Speaker 1: basketball was a way to open doors for them, to

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Speaker 1: And I feel like there's no better person to really

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Speaker 1: the world to even showcase what women's basketball really was

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Speaker 1: and could be before there was even a thing called

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Speaker 1: the WNBA.

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Speaker 3: And so I would love to hear from.

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Speaker 1: Your perspective just what you thought basketball would do and

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Speaker 1: what it would be, and then like what it actually

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Speaker 1: ended up being for you to kind of jumpstart this conversation.

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Speaker 2: God, you know, sometimes I'm not really sure if that

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Speaker 2: makes sense, but I will say this. I started playing

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Speaker 2: or listen and you won't like this, Oh, but I'm

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Speaker 2: glad this didn't happen to Or a Dallas Cowboys cheerleader.

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Speaker 3: Oh girl. We had not been friends, but.

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Speaker 2: You know, growing up in Texas and my mom was

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Speaker 2: So thank god that didn't happen, right, for a lot

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Speaker 3: Reasons, For a lot of reasons.

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Speaker 2: But te you know, I knew at an early age,

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Speaker 2: even though I thought those were the two things I

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Speaker 2: I could never find enough girls that were interested in

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Speaker 3: I just wanted to play so fast forward.

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Speaker 2: You know, for me, the very first time I was

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Speaker 2: toured together for that entire year, We trained in Colorado and.

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Speaker 2: Basketball was like I looked at it like my ticket, right,

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Speaker 2: Like that was my ticket to I don't want to

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Speaker 3: But I say this all the time.

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Speaker 2: Basketball has blessed me, right, But I also say I

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Speaker 2: feel like basketball was my platform, right, that was a

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Speaker 3: And that bigger purpose.

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Speaker 2: Is doing exactly the stuff that you just said, right. Like,

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Speaker 2: I never thought growing up that I would be traveling

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Speaker 1: It's littles to this because it is you leave your career,

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Speaker 1: I took jobs that I wouldn't necessarily want to take

444
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Speaker 1: just to show that I was the team there. I

445
00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:00,000
Speaker 1: did stuff for free. I mean I did a budd

446
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 1: shit for free with no pay, just because I wanted

447
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:06,199
Speaker 1: to get the experience, wanted to again show I was

448
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,160
Speaker 1: willing show that I was capable.

449
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:09,399
Speaker 3: I did all of that.

450
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,760
Speaker 1: I allowed people to get promoted in front of me

451
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,920
Speaker 1: and I said nothing, and I ended up training those

452
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 1: people to help them be better. I did all of

453
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:20,639
Speaker 1: that shit because I knew that it would in the

454
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,840
Speaker 1: long run help me, and for it to in the

455
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 1: long run not help me, that shit hurt. And so

456
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:32,359
Speaker 1: leaving a situation like that to the unknown was crazy.

457
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:33,920
Speaker 1: I ain't know where I was gonna get my next

458
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,360
Speaker 1: check from. I just bought a house. How the hell

459
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:38,119
Speaker 1: I'm about to pay this mortgage now, you know what

460
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:41,920
Speaker 1: I mean? Like that was scary and I'm a woman

461
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 1: of faith, so I was just like, you know what,

462
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:45,679
Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep my hustle.

463
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:46,560
Speaker 3: IM from Detroit.

464
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:48,680
Speaker 1: I just told you a moment ago, I did fifty

465
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Speaker 1: eleven million jobs, so I make it.

466
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Speaker 3: I'll make it fifty million one. I'll make fifty million

467
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:55,920
Speaker 3: and one. You know what I mean.

468
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 1: I'm a small business owner. Yet me cranked this up

469
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,360
Speaker 1: real quick. You know, my grind and do what I do.

470
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:05,440
Speaker 1: But luckily folks believed in me, and folks said, Srika, no,

471
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 1: you don't suck. He just doesn't know talent. And so

472
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 1: to that point, Cheryl, I'm sure there were folks who

473
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,480
Speaker 1: believed in you and was like, yo, you're doing what

474
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:15,120
Speaker 1: you're not doing?

475
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 3: Huh, Like nah, no doubt, no doubt. Te.

476
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 2: You know, it's so hard because I was probably in

477
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 2: the same situation like people that I thought would be

478
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:31,639
Speaker 2: there right, Like, I'm not asking you to give me anything.

479
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 3: Because I wiped my whole life.

480
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 2: For everything that I've ever gotten, I've worked my ass

481
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 2: off for it, right, So I'm not looking for a handout.

482
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 3: I ain't asking you to give me anything, but I

483
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:46,399
Speaker 3: know that you can help me. Do you know what

484
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 3: I mean? Yep. And here's the.

485
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 2: I don't know.

486
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 3: I don't even want to say.

487
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:54,879
Speaker 2: Here's a sad part, because this is what I believe,

488
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,160
Speaker 2: the saying that says, when one door closes, another one

489
00:24:58,160 --> 00:24:58,640
Speaker 2: will open.

490
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,200
Speaker 3: Yep. And you I said, you're a woman of faith.

491
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 3: I ain't gonna lie to you.

492
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:07,119
Speaker 2: The reason why I am here today on this podcast

493
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 2: with you is for that very reason, just having the

494
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 2: faith and then people seeing something there and they're like,

495
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,879
Speaker 2: you know what, I want to invest in this.

496
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:17,399
Speaker 3: I want to do this. I want to give them

497
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Speaker 3: this opportunity.

498
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Speaker 2: But here's what was hard for me because right like

499
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Speaker 2: after that five.

500
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Speaker 3: Years of trying to figure out what am I going

501
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:25,639
Speaker 3: to do?

502
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Speaker 2: You know, I then got some small offers, right, doing

503
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 2: a few games for ESPN, doing some stuff in the studio, calling.

504
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 3: Some big twelve games. I then put my hand into

505
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Speaker 3: coaching for a little bit.

506
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Speaker 2: And you know the sad thing, Tea is sometimes we

507
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,920
Speaker 2: as black women, were only giving one.

508
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 3: Chance gots it, right, and if that.

509
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:56,679
Speaker 2: One chance doesn't work out for whatever reason, they just

510
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 2: don't even come back, like, you know what. I know

511
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:00,399
Speaker 2: that didn't work out for you, but I want to

512
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,640
Speaker 2: give you another shot. And the reason why I bring

513
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 2: that up is because my coaching job that I had,

514
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,159
Speaker 2: my very first head coaching job that I had in Chicago.

515
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 2: I was there for three years. Honestly, and this is

516
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 2: my opinion, but you can also go look stuff up.

517
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 2: I wasn't sure if that's really where I wanted to

518
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,439
Speaker 2: be to start my career, and honestly, I was like,

519
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 2: you know what, I want to get into coaching now

520
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,879
Speaker 2: after five years, right, like, let me try it. I

521
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,199
Speaker 2: wanted to start as an assistant, but there was no

522
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 2: head coach that would hire me. I'm talking about as

523
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 2: an assistant, and this could be a whole different conversation.

524
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Speaker 2: So I saw this job. Honestly, my husband was like, Babe,

525
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:45,119
Speaker 2: you should apply. I was like, Eh, first of all,

526
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 2: it's a head coaching job. I don't think I'm ready

527
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,119
Speaker 2: for that, and I don't really want to move to Chicago.

528
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 2: That was it, But you know, I said, what's the

529
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 2: worst that could happen? I could at least interview, get

530
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Speaker 2: some experience, see what happens. So I go interview, I

531
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,199
Speaker 2: get the job, and I told my husband and I

532
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 2: was like, oh shit, well it just got real so

533
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,719
Speaker 2: real quick. But you know what, I'm like, it's basketball.

534
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 2: If I don't know nothing else, I know basketball. So

535
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 2: it was important to me to hire the right staff

536
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 2: and all of that. I'm going to fast forward because

537
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 2: this could be a long story, and I'm going to

538
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 2: go on record to say this because I haven't talked.

539
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:24,919
Speaker 3: About it publicly.

540
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 2: A lot of people heard stuff and saw stuff and

541
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,959
Speaker 2: they were like, oh, Cheryl got fired. Well Cheryl actually resigned,

542
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 2: and the school actually paid me right, They paid me

543
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 2: the remain of my contract. The only thing I want

544
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 2: to say about this because I ain't about throwing people

545
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,120
Speaker 2: under the bus and doing all of that.

546
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 3: My mom always told me they.

547
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 2: Are three sides to every story, your side and my

548
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 2: side in the truth, and the only side that people have.

549
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 3: Heard is their side. And I'll say when the time.

550
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 2: Is right, because I still don't think it's right, I

551
00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 2: will tell my side. But insane all of that, I

552
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 2: am at a point though where I would love another

553
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 2: opportunity to coach, but I want to coach as an

554
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 2: assistant and I'm only bringing all of that up because

555
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:19,399
Speaker 2: I personally don't even know what else to do to

556
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:20,880
Speaker 2: try and get that opportunity.

557
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 3: Yeah.

558
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I say this, that clearly is where God

559
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 2: wants me to be, and I have to live in that,

560
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 2: and I have to believe that.

561
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 3: But I also believe that where He has.

562
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 2: Me right now, in this moment, in this season of

563
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 2: my life, is exactly where I'm supposed to be doing

564
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 2: this podcast, giving women, giving people a place where they

565
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 2: can come to because you know what, there are probably

566
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:48,719
Speaker 2: a lot of people out there, not just women, There

567
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 2: are probably a lot of people out there right now

568
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 2: who are in the middle of trying to figure out

569
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 2: what's next for me, what do I do?

570
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 3: And that shit is scary.

571
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 2: I don't care who you are, the thought of the

572
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 2: unknown is always scary, nervous. I just want to say

573
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 2: to anybody out there who is listening and you're feeling

574
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 2: this anxiety and the stress of shit, what's next? Just

575
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 2: hang in there, right, don't give up, and know that

576
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 2: that next door that's supposed to open is right around

577
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 2: the corner for you, and you will be able to walk.

578
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 3: Through that door. Absolutely.

579
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: I think our selves sometimes are our own biggest setback, right,

580
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:32,959
Speaker 1: because fear isn't always a bad thing. Now, sometimes fear

581
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 1: is good, and sometimes fear is necessary, and sometimes fear

582
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: should be what drives us to the next level. And

583
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: I will also say, you know, I was teasing our

584
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 1: producer earlier and I said, I'm a PK.

585
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 3: And she didn't understand what PK was at the time.

586
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: She good educated guests though, good job, but as a

587
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 1: PK all the time.

588
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 3: You know, my grandfather was a minister, and he would.

589
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: Just throw out all types of verses and stuff all

590
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: the time growing up, and even things that you think

591
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 1: in the Bible but might not be in the Bible.

592
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 3: You know, you find out when you get grown. You

593
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 3: like that wasn't even in there this whole time.

594
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 1: But one thing my grandfather would always say is faith

595
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 1: without works is dead. Yeah, you can have all the

596
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 1: faith in the world, you can pray as much as

597
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 1: you want, you can be a believer in all those things,

598
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: but you've got to put some work behind it.

599
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 3: Right.

600
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 1: And so when you're thinking about career transitioning and you're

601
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 1: thinking about that fear, and you're saying, you know what,

602
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 1: I know, God got me, God do got you, but

603
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 1: he also put in you the spirit of understanding you

604
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: got to get up off your ass and do some

605
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 1: stuff yourself, right, And so if that's networking, if that's

606
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 1: talking to people, if that's maybe going to an event

607
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 1: that you probably didn't really want to go to, but

608
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 1: you know the right people are going to be in

609
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 1: that room that you want to have a conversation with,

610
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 1: so you go anyway. Those type of things are what

611
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 1: you continue to do even right now. You putting it

612
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: in an atmosphere and speaking on what your wants and

613
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 1: desires are, even if you don't think that that's where

614
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 1: you might be in this moment, it's for you to

615
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: put out there and put in an atmosphere so people know.

616
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: I see a lot of times on social media, folks

617
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 1: are posting like I have to keep my move silent

618
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 1: because people ain't out here for me, baby girl. If

619
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 1: you ain't meant to have it, you ain't meant to

620
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: have it. It don't matter if you go to the world

621
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 1: or if.

622
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 3: You keep it to yourself.

623
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: Right, what's for you is for you, and so not

624
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: putting it out there in the atmosphere is not what's

625
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 1: gonna make you have it. If you aren't moving in

626
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: the right direction, whether that's loudly or silently.

627
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 3: If it ain't for you, you're not gonna have it.

628
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 1: So I am one who thinks it makes so much

629
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: sense to speak your desires, to talk about the things

630
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 1: you want to revel in your success because you've earned that,

631
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: and I don't think that hinders us at all.

632
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 3: I think that is inspiring to a lot of people.

633
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 1: Hearing your story, Hearing what you've gone through, Hearing that

634
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 1: you still have moments where you were fearing what the

635
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: next spot was for you will motivate so many different

636
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 1: people to say, you know, if Cheryl could go through this,

637
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 1: or if Cheryl could handle this, I definitely can, or

638
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: I could figure out a way to get through what

639
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 1: some of those things are.

640
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 3: It humanizes us.

641
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 2: You know, yes, yes, And the last thing I'll say

642
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 2: on it before we move on is I think lots

643
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 2: of times, especially when people look at like high profile

644
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 2: people or celebrities or athletes, they assume that we just

645
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 2: got it all together, we just got it made. And

646
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 2: I'm here to tell you, babee, shit is real. It's

647
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 2: real over here, just like it is for anybody else.

648
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 2: Don't give up on whatever that is you want to accomplish.

649
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 3: I'll say this I did five.

650
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 2: Years ago now, did a complete different career change and

651
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 2: becoming a part of the Nike Win Program and started

652
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 2: doing something I'd never done in my life. And I

653
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 2: have to tell you that was probably one of the

654
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 2: smartest decisions that I ever made post retirement.

655
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, sometimes you just got to do something different

656
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 1: and bet on yourself, right, Yeah, no doubt. Betting on

657
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 1: yourself is the.

658
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 3: Way I got that out.

659
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 1: Definitely what worked for me. And when I walked out

660
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: the esp and doors for the last time, I was like,

661
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 1: you know what, girl, you forget what I'm happening to because.

662
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 3: Look at what your name is.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you know what you're doing out here in these streets.

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Speaker 3: And no doubt.

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Speaker 1: All right, I've been on ever since. I ain't missed

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Speaker 1: the mill. I'm still two hundred and twenty pounds.

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Speaker 2: Listen, and I ain't far behind you because I'm still

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Speaker 2: you feel me.

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Speaker 3: I am missed the meal. Am not not now one.

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Speaker 1: Everything worked out the way it was, Yes, yes, I

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Speaker 1: mean now let's say when we come back, we will

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Speaker 1: put a bow on this episode. Stay tuned, friends, It's

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Speaker 1: always a pleasure to chat with you, Sureyl, because I

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Speaker 1: feel like every so I learned something new about you

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Speaker 1: that I didn't quite know before. And that's not to

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Speaker 1: say that I thought I knew everything about you, but

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Speaker 1: Wikipedia is a mug, so I didn't thought I knew

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Speaker 1: you know, but don't clear everything.

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Speaker 3: I clearly can't believe everything or read.

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Speaker 2: I just I love these conversations, and they are conversations

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Speaker 2: that not only for other people, they are great conversations

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Speaker 2: for us too.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, absolutely I love it. I love it.

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Speaker 1: I think if there's one piece of I won't even

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Speaker 1: say advice, but just encouragement that I would give to

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Speaker 1: anyone listening to the show, it's just simply that it's

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Speaker 1: okay to be afraid, but don't let that fear stop you. Right,

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Speaker 1: if you are finding yourself in a crossroads right now

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Speaker 1: where you know, maybe you're looking at retirement, or maybe

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Speaker 1: you're looking at switching careers, or maybe you were just

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Speaker 1: let go and not understanding why, just don't give up.

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Speaker 1: Like it's okay to be in that moment, be vulnerable

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Speaker 1: and feel what you feel, and it's okay to be scared,

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Speaker 1: but like, don't let that stop you, let that fear

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Speaker 1: drive you to the next level for real, I said.

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Speaker 2: I don't even have nothing to add to that, because

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Speaker 2: that was a little mic drop moment right there.

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Speaker 3: Period no doubt. Do we have a level up word

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Speaker 3: from you today, Cheryl.

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Speaker 2: We do, we do, we do. But I want to

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Speaker 2: say this before we go. The holidays are right around

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Speaker 2: the corner.

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Speaker 3: They are. They're right around the corner, and I.

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Speaker 2: Just want to give everybody an encouraging word about the

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Speaker 2: holidays before we level up. That is, you know, holidays

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Speaker 2: to me is all about family and enjoying one another.

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Speaker 2: So try not to stress yourself out too much if

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Speaker 2: you don't have everything that you want or think you need,

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Speaker 2: and just enjoy spending time with your family. I will

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Speaker 2: tell you I am so looking forward to just getting

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Speaker 2: in my kitchen and cooking a nice meal.

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Speaker 3: That always gives me a great sense of.

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Speaker 2: Pride in a way, right to be able to and

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Speaker 2: feed my my family.

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Speaker 1: I love that, enjoy it. I'm just gonna pop up

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Speaker 1: at everybody house you lucky up.

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Speaker 2: Hop on a plane, Hop on.

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Speaker 3: A plane, come on, I absolutely will.

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Speaker 1: I pop up with a plate of my own because

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Speaker 1: I don't want you to have to watch my.

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Speaker 2: Dish oh no, no, no, we're doing paper. We're doing paper,

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Speaker 2: not real, we're doing paper because I'm cooking by trying

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Speaker 2: to clean like that clean nothing.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: I always gotta end up on a positive word and

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Speaker 2: level everybody up, and this one is just real short

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Speaker 2: and sweet, especially since we talked about career changes and

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Speaker 2: transitioning and just stepping out on a limb. Sometimes I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna start telling you who these are from, too, so

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Speaker 2: y'all don't think I'm plagiarizing and things like that. But

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Speaker 2: this one comes from Susie. I think it's cast them

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Speaker 2: K A S S E. M. And it says, doubt

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Speaker 2: kills more dreams than failure ever.

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Speaker 3: Will. That's short and sweet but so powerful because.

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Speaker 2: Many times, yeah, doubt kills more dreams than failure ever.

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Speaker 3: Will. That's it. Take that with you.

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Speaker 1: That is it, And no better way to put a

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Speaker 1: cap on this episode than with that positive word.

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Speaker 3: So thank you for that, Cheryl.

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Speaker 1: And thank you for everybody that's listening in to levels

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Speaker 1: to this.

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Speaker 3: We will be back next week with more.

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Speaker 1: Next level conversation, just talking about the real shit that

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Speaker 1: we go through as women. I always want you guys

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Speaker 1: to know that this is not just my show or

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Speaker 1: churl show. It is our show, so we consistently want

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Speaker 1: to hear from you.

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Speaker 3: You can leave us a review in Apple Podcasts.

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Speaker 1: You can email us now at levels too this podcast

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Speaker 1: at gmail dot com. Tell us what you thought about

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Speaker 1: this week's episode, tell us what you want to talk

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Speaker 1: about in the future. We definitely can make something shake

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Speaker 1: and then certainly you can follow us on Instagram at

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Speaker 1: ltt pod. So until then, keep your mental's ground level

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Speaker 1: and we will be back next week.

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Speaker 3: Peace out, y'all. Peace