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Speaker 2: Hello wasn't to another episode of Club Shay Shay. I

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Speaker 2: am your host, Shannon Sharp. I'm also the for private

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Speaker 2: Club sha Shay. The guy that's stopping buy for conversation

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Speaker 2: and the drink today is a sports icon and a

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Speaker 2: history to lead the league in rebounding. A sixteen year

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Speaker 2: NBA VET, eleven time NBA All Star, eleven time member

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Speaker 2: of the All NBA Team, the nineteen ninety three Most

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Speaker 2: Valuable Player All Star Game MVP, A two times Gold Medalist,

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Speaker 2: the leading scorer on the Famous Dream Team. He's also

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Speaker 2: University of Alvern SEC player of the nineteen eighters, a

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Speaker 2: two time in Duddee of the Hall of Fame, A

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Speaker 2: four time Emmy Award winning personality, analyst and commentator, fan favorite,

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Speaker 2: successful author, South After speaker philanthroprists. One of the game's

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Speaker 2: greatest character He was like no other, a larger than

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Speaker 2: in all of sports. Sir Charles, the round, Milder Rebound,

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Speaker 2: the Prince of Pizza. Guess what they call him? The

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Speaker 2: Leaning Tower of Pizza, the Chris Go Kid, the Wide

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Speaker 1: Figures in NBA history. Ladies and gentlemen, Sir Charles Markley,

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Speaker 1: you wrote that. You read that just like I wrote it. Hey,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Now.

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Speaker 2: It's an honor, man, Thank you for having me. Man,

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Speaker 2: I've been you know, we've been trying to do this

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Speaker 2: figured out we're Chris crossed each other across the country

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Speaker 2: la back and forth. So I'm glad. That's an honor though. Man,

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Speaker 2: you're doing a hell of a job. Yah, Man, I

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Speaker 2: want to say thank you for opening up. I mean,

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Speaker 2: your NBA career goes without saying, but what you've been

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Speaker 2: able to do to transition after the NBA and to

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Speaker 2: tops your success. This is my kanyak. Hey, you know,

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Speaker 2: got your red monk.

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Speaker 2: So you know it's a company of distillery. I bought

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Speaker 2: I think we got a great product. The only thing

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Speaker 2: I worry about the me and my boys drinking all

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Speaker 2: But you know, we do a vodka of gen. Shout

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Speaker 2: out to red Mond. It's been it's been cool. It's

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Speaker 2: a very interesting business. When I say interesting, I mean corrupt.

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Speaker 2: But you know, as long as I invest in Alabama.

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Speaker 2: You know, I grew up in a small town outside

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Speaker 2: in Alabama, but that that's that's always be home. You

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Speaker 2: you know, Shannon, it's interesting because poor people don't know

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Speaker 2: I had a great mother and grandmother. My mother was

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Speaker 2: people don't know what chicken feed are, that they are

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Speaker 2: Oh Man, and my dad, who was living in California

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Speaker 2: It's crazy thinking about it now, right, Yeah, what kind

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Speaker 2: And I was like, I played football for one day,

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Speaker 2: Same thing in a boxing ring, you're gonna get your

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Speaker 2: You're born in Alabama. We understand the history of racism

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Speaker 2: There was a guy named mister Allen who drove me

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Speaker 2: I didn't realize it until I got to Philadelphia, you know,

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Speaker 2: Well, okay, so I obviously you know by now I'm really

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Speaker 2: the great Gene Bartow made it to the sweet sixteen.

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Speaker 2: Not only did they both make it to the sweet sixteen,

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Speaker 2: So I'm saying, I'm saying to myself, man, I want

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Speaker 2: I said, I'm looking around. I said, damn, these bombs

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Speaker 2: I said, you got a pin on you? He said, oh,

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Speaker 2: college is playing time, because that's gonna be the first

436
00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:45,959
Speaker 2: time you're away from home. And if you don't get

437
00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:50,160
Speaker 2: to play, college's gonna suck. Your grade's gonna suck, your

438
00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:54,000
Speaker 2: personal life gonna suck. You really need to look at

439
00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,959
Speaker 2: who's on the roster before you decide to go. So

440
00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:59,359
Speaker 2: you said you didn't realize that you had an accent

441
00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:01,919
Speaker 2: until you got the Philly. Once you got the Philly

442
00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,120
Speaker 2: did you ever try to change the way you talk

443
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:11,119
Speaker 2: or nunciate words? No, not really because, as you know, fame,

444
00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:16,640
Speaker 2: like everybody trying to explain being in the limelight of fame,

445
00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,760
Speaker 2: whatever words you want to use, trying to explain that

446
00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:23,520
Speaker 2: to a normal person, like talking Chinese or talking to

447
00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:24,160
Speaker 2: an alien.

448
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:26,920
Speaker 1: You're not a sport, do you celebrity other? Yeah? Yeah.

449
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:32,680
Speaker 2: But when I first like, it's overwhelming when it first happened, yes,

450
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,320
Speaker 2: I was like, I said, you can't even prepare for it.

451
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,879
Speaker 2: I said, when they start sticking those cameras and you

452
00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,359
Speaker 2: turn on TV, they talking good or bad about you.

453
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:47,760
Speaker 2: H in Philadelphia on the radio, going to the black barbershop. Hey,

454
00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:50,280
Speaker 2: never go to a black barbershop when you're on a

455
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:51,320
Speaker 2: bad team ever.

456
00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:56,160
Speaker 1: Hey, any circumstances, I said, do never.

457
00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:59,679
Speaker 2: Hey the Wooded Brothers in Philadelphia, Man, I played on

458
00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,800
Speaker 2: some team just sucking Philly when Doctor Moses had went away.

459
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,800
Speaker 2: Never go to a black barbershop when things are going back.

460
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:08,800
Speaker 2: They will tell you the truth. And even if it's

461
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:10,760
Speaker 2: not your fault, they just gonna tell you y'all suck.

462
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:16,480
Speaker 2: Y'all suck. But no, I was trying to adjust and

463
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:20,159
Speaker 2: in a really important pivotal moment had when I was

464
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,440
Speaker 2: with Doctor J. So my second year in the league,

465
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 2: I'm starting to become a good player, and I hate

466
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:31,560
Speaker 2: when guys get on TV and say they don't give

467
00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:33,879
Speaker 2: it what people think. Blah blah blah. Everybody wants to

468
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:38,000
Speaker 2: be liked. They do, but I was trying to make

469
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 2: everybody happy. They started because my first couple of years

470
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 2: they went to Moses, Doctor J, Maurice Cheeks, Andrew Tony,

471
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 2: those guys, Bobby Jones like.

472
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:48,399
Speaker 1: I don't think I ever got an interview with my

473
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:48,960
Speaker 1: rookie year.

474
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 2: So later in my sucker year, I'm starting to get

475
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:53,920
Speaker 2: it together and learn the game slowing down for me

476
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,200
Speaker 2: and Doctor J. I said, Doc, how do I talk

477
00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 2: to the press? He said, well, you gotta know, you

478
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,359
Speaker 2: gotta do it. Figure it out because they're coming to you.

479
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 2: Now you turn into a hell of a player. And

480
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 2: I said, I want everybody to like me. He says, well,

481
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:10,880
Speaker 2: that's that's kind of an interesting question because no matter

482
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,119
Speaker 2: what you say, have people gonna like it and have

483
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 2: people gonna dislike it? And I said, what does that mean?

484
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 2: He says, that's the way this thing works, you can't

485
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:21,400
Speaker 2: make everybody happy. And then that was the turning point

486
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 2: for me. I said, what if I just say my truth?

487
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,160
Speaker 2: He says, you might as well say you're truth, because

488
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 2: even if you said what everybody wants you to say,

489
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,639
Speaker 2: some people are gonna disagree with it. And then I

490
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:36,119
Speaker 2: changed my whole philosophy as far as like, just be honest.

491
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 2: That does not mean I'm right all the time, but

492
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,720
Speaker 2: I'm gonna try to be fair and give my honest opinion,

493
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 2: and I can live with the repercussions because you said

494
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 2: something earlier. Whether people like me or not, they at

495
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 2: least guys like you know what, at least Charles, even

496
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 2: if I disagree with him, he doesn't have a hidden agenda.

497
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:54,879
Speaker 2: Because the one thing I hate about these guys somebody

498
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 2: and you know, I got this to hate.

499
00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:01,479
Speaker 1: Towards Skip Baylor's because it's specially be in black.

500
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 2: I think I'm representing some bigger I think every black

501
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 2: person on television television is really powerful.

502
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 1: Really.

503
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 2: Mike Wilbon one of my mentors, one of the best

504
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,680
Speaker 2: people I ever met. He says something to me one time.

505
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,400
Speaker 2: He says, when he first got the job at PTI

506
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:24,479
Speaker 2: one of my favorite shows with him in corn Houser,

507
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:28,119
Speaker 2: he says, Man, I didn't realize how powerful television was.

508
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 2: He says, I've been with the Washington Post for twenty

509
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 2: five years. I walk around Nobody say hello, kiss my anything.

510
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:39,920
Speaker 2: I'm on TV for a week. Hey you're the guy

511
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,160
Speaker 2: from TV. And he said he had to learn, like man,

512
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,160
Speaker 2: TV is a powerful thing. But the point I want

513
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 2: to make as a black person, I'm really conscious of

514
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 2: everything I say. Be you got to be because there

515
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 2: is a double standard. Because one thing that drives me

516
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 2: crazy when when people use cold word describing me, you,

517
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 2: steven A, guys like that, I says, And I want

518
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 2: to be very careful because I'm not trying to offend anybody,

519
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 2: But I want to make this point. I says, well,

520
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 2: I'm curious you don't use those type of words. You

521
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 2: use words and we know what they mean black when

522
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 2: you talk about Shannon steven A and Chuck I said,

523
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 2: but when Colin Coward, Jim Rome, Mike Greenberg, who are

524
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 2: great guys, I might add, when they say stuff, you

525
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:36,479
Speaker 2: don't use those cold words with them. And I says, so,

526
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 2: I'm very cognizant of like Okay, there's a double standard.

527
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 2: So I'm really careful about some of the stuff I say.

528
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 2: But I'm not afraid of anything because my opinion matters

529
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 2: just like theirs do.

530
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 1: Right.

531
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 2: But I think we start to understand is that it's

532
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 2: not what we say. Is the breaking them down of everything,

533
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 2: of every word, of parsing it, trying to like with.

534
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 1: This no, yes, this is my favorite.

535
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 2: Well, when I see shows like, well, this is what

536
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 2: he said, but this is what he meant, I'm like, no, I.

537
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 1: Know what I meant. I said, yeah, I said.

538
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 2: But I always laugh when they say like, well he

539
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 2: said this, but this is what he mean, this is

540
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 2: what he was trying to say.

541
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, I said exactly what I meant to say.

542
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,640
Speaker 2: It drives me crazy when I see when they not

543
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 2: mainly saying about me, but talking about other people. Well

544
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,919
Speaker 2: this jock said this because Jim Rohm says something I

545
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:43,159
Speaker 2: read of love. He says, every time somebody says, I

546
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 2: mean no disrespect, you know what's coming next? Disrespect? Jim

547
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 2: Jim Rome, Who's I really like a lot?

548
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:51,120
Speaker 1: He said.

549
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 2: He does a segment every week where he says that

550
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,439
Speaker 2: he says, you know it's time for the disrespect moment,

551
00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 2: and he always played a point well, I mean, no

552
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:01,440
Speaker 2: disresp back. He said, wait for it. You know what's

553
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 2: coming next, disrespect. And I love that.

554
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:06,719
Speaker 1: When you played, were you a trash talker?

555
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 2: Not much, not much, not much because I had to,

556
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 2: you know, because I had too much going on in

557
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 2: my brain. Because when you're six ' five playing against

558
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 2: a six eight guy, sixty nine guy, six ' ten guy,

559
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 2: I have to have a strategy, you know. I say,

560
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 2: I think somebody says son to me one time they

561
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 2: went and looked at the numbers. I'm the only person

562
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 2: in the history of sports who never played against anybody

563
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 2: who was shorter than them. Because I played center in college,

564
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 2: right and then obviously in the NBA, I'm always going

565
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 2: to be the shortest guy and my shortest power forty

566
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 2: yes in history. So I says, I had so much

567
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 2: going on in my brain. I'm like, Okay, they bringing

568
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 2: this guy in, he does this, well, he does this,

569
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 2: he plays me this way. Then they bring the other

570
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 2: guy in. I said, what he brings he plays me

571
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 2: this way, They're gonna do this.

572
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 1: So I had so much going on in my brain.

573
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 2: I mean, because like I say, when you you can't

574
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 2: out talent. I mean, if you're Michael lebron Kobe Shack,

575
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 2: you can out talent ninety nine percent of the guys

576
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 2: in the world. But when you're a six y five

577
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 2: power forward, you can't out talent people. I tell people

578
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 2: that you can't out talent people at my size. You

579
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 2: have to use your brain. Were you did you fight

580
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 2: a lot as a kid?

581
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 1: No? Because I was too little. You can see that.

582
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 2: That's the thing that people don't understand. Like, I was

583
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 2: always small until I had the gros Sperg. When you,

584
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 2: like I said, when you're a little dude, you can't

585
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 2: be going around fighting people. Can you gonna get your kids?

586
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 2: It was really you know, you know people always ask

587
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 2: me though about the gros Sperg. Yeah, I never had

588
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 2: any pain, really, like when you go when you wake

589
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 2: up one day and you five ten and the next

590
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 2: day you six five, Like I never went through Like.

591
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 1: It was really weird that never It never hurt me.

592
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 1: But could you tell that you had grown that much

593
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: over the summer. I did not know it. That's what's weird.

594
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 2: The coach said to me, you've grown over the summer.

595
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 2: I think I've grown a little bit and then he said,

596
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 2: like you like six four and a half sixty five

597
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 2: and from five ten.

598
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

599
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,239
Speaker 2: And the best thing, though, Shannon, the best thing was

600
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 2: because the number one asset of my game was my

601
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 2: ability to dribble. Yes, because you can't post up guys

602
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 2: who are six nine six ten, but they don't want

603
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 2: to move their feet rret. So when I played guard

604
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 2: all those years, that was probably the best asset to

605
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 2: me when I got to play against those big guys. Yeah, yeah,

606
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 2: because they them big dudes. The one thing it's hard

607
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 2: to post them up, but they can't move their feet

608
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 2: more than one or two times. And that was the

609
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 2: biggest asset of my game, my ability to dribble. If

610
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 2: you grow that much in a summer, I mean your clothes,

611
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 2: you probably look like you have throw bodin. Really well,

612
00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 2: that's the one thing about being poor. You're just dropping

613
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 2: it down. So you weren't handish at your hem me

614
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 2: down because you know we ain't gonna get no. You know,

615
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 2: you're gonna get your one Super Easter. Yeah, he's gonna

616
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 2: get a couple of outfairs of Christmas. The rest of

617
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 2: themselfs gonna be hand me down. Yeah, you know, and

618
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 2: also when you're in a small town, it's a very

619
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 2: close knit community. So when you get done with clothing,

620
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 2: it's always a name, somebody get something. That's why I'll

621
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 2: always appreciate growing up in a small town. You know,

622
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 2: Kenny grew up in New York. I wouldn't want to

623
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 2: assure how my life would have been different if I

624
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 2: growing up in New York. But growing up in a

625
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 2: small town, it really it was a surreally sense of community. Community,

626
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 2: Yes everybody, I mean, And that's what when I'm on

627
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 2: Nightcap and I try to tell people this, it was

628
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 2: always everybody was yes sir, no sir, yes, yes, no ma'am.

629
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 2: If you misbehave miss such and such, we tell your tailor,

630
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 2: you're gonna get two with them, and then she gonna

631
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 2: go home and say, Mary, I had to whip that

632
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 2: boy because he was being managed or he's he was curcy,

633
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 2: and you got another whipping?

634
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: Yep, what happened to that sense of community? Other?

635
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 2: You know, we we in the black community, we just

636
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 2: have to do better. We gotta Number one, Racism exists,

637
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 2: always has and always will, you know, I really, I look,

638
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 2: I tell people this, sports are a great thing for

639
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 2: black kids. It's really helped a lot of us get

640
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 2: out of here and help them go back and make

641
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 2: things better.

642
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 1: But you have to understand something.

643
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 2: If you're born and it's white, poor too, oh yeah,

644
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 2: because it's really economic racism. Like calling people names and

645
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 2: stuff like that. That's just silly and stupid. But economic

646
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 2: racism is the biggest problem we have in this country

647
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 2: because if you're black and poor or white and poor,

648
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 2: you're gonna be born in a bad neighborhood, You're gonna

649
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:00,959
Speaker 2: go to an inferious school.

650
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: And I always use this analogy.

651
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 2: Yes, it's if you play baseball and if every time

652
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 2: you step up to the plate, you got two strikes

653
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 2: against you. Yeah, shine up, gonna get a hit, Chuck

654
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 2: gonna get a hit, and we're gonna have a couple

655
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 2: little hits for most people gonna strike out, yes, or

656
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 2: your fade to swing.

657
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, yes.

658
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 2: So I just think that we got to do a

659
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 2: better job of holding each other accountable and accept the

660
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 2: fact that, hey, it's a double standard. But you can

661
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 2: never give up, you can never be like, you know what,

662
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 2: I'm tired, because let's be realistic, it's still better than

663
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 2: it used to be. Yes, it ain't perfect, but it's

664
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 2: still better than it used to be. Check us out.

665
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 2: When you got to Auber you weigh three hundred pounds.

666
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 2: The first two on adas in college, it's reported that

667
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 2: you ordered one hundred pieces. But you led to SEC

668
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 2: and rebounding your three years you were there, you hold

669
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 2: the record for the career field goal percentage at almost

670
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 2: sixty three percent. You was SEC Player of the Year

671
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 2: at the decade of the eighties, and you're a member

672
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 2: of the Alburns All Century Team.

673
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 1: How dare you do that at three hundred.

674
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 2: Pounds, man, I had some serious talent, to be honest

675
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 2: with you, And like I say, the college game is

676
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 2: not near as fast, and you know, we just live

677
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 2: in a different generation a lot faster now. But you know,

678
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 2: you kind of unless you get a fast because when

679
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 2: teams score, you walking the ball up and down the court.

680
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 2: And it was really interesting. One of my coaches, Roger Banks,

681
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 2: I struggled, like the first week I was in college.

682
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 1: He says, son, what is your problem?

683
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,320
Speaker 2: Because I was twenty rebounds a game in high school

684
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 2: because I played with a really good high school team

685
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,359
Speaker 2: and they never ran play. So I decided to get

686
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 2: my own. I had to get my own and you

687
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 2: were passing the back guy you got no. So we

688
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 2: had we had about eight players who got scholled. We

689
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 2: had really good teams. Yeah, we had really good sports

690
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,840
Speaker 2: teams in my hometown because you know, a lot of

691
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,439
Speaker 2: times when people in small towns, they got like three

692
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 2: high schools. The one thing about my high school, we

693
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 2: got one high school. You go K to twelve with

694
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 2: the same group, so we always had good sports team.

695
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 1: Well you didn't go K to twelve in the same class,

696
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: did you? No? No? No, If I'm telling it was crazy.

697
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 2: You see the same people from K to twelve, and

698
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 2: it's so funny. How like we always had good team

699
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 2: in football and basketball. Always had good team in football

700
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 2: and basketball. Did it never dawn on you? You're like, well, man,

701
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 2: I'm really killing it. I'm getting the i'm playing, I'm

702
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 2: averaging thirteen fourteen, fifteen points, I'm getting ten, twelve rebounds. Man,

703
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,439
Speaker 2: if I lost a few pounds, I might be able

704
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 2: to bump that up to do twenty fifteenth. Did I

705
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 2: ever thought crock your mind in college?

706
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 1: No? Because when you when you know.

707
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 2: The toughest thing about a player and you know this

708
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 2: and a team kind of happening to my Eagles this

709
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 2: year when they got off to like a ten and

710
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 2: one start. A lot of times where people don't understand

711
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,240
Speaker 2: when you're having says you still need to get better

712
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 2: as a player as a team and have because you

713
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 2: can have bad habits, but your team is so good

714
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:09,760
Speaker 2: you keep winning.

715
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,280
Speaker 1: So I'm talking.

716
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 2: I'm not sure, but like, I'm probably the only freshman

717
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 2: to ever lead to SEC and rebounding and then I

718
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 2: let it every year. So I'm not thinking about flaws.

719
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 2: I think I'm doing pretty good. Yeah, so I'm not

720
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,839
Speaker 2: thinking about yo, man, lose weight. I'm like, yo, I'm

721
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 2: all SEC. I'm leading the league in rebound as a freshman,

722
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 2: as a sophomore, as a junior, and I'm like, no,

723
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 2: I'm good.

724
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: And you know, actually, my coach.

725
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 2: Tried to get me to lose weight and we followed

726
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,240
Speaker 2: a little bit early in my career. We're really close

727
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 2: today because I had to go back and apologize.

728
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 1: I said, you know what, you were right, you were right.

729
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: I was wrong. I should have lost weight sooner. I

730
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 1: could have been better.

731
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 2: But you know, we're all when you're eighteen and having success,

732
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 2: you don't you don't think anything you good. Yeah, yeah,

733
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 2: so I it goes back to my thing with Miss

734
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 2: Gomez and my dad, like, you know what, it's you.

735
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 2: You know, I tell you. The one thing about being

736
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:23,720
Speaker 2: in the lime, like, man, very few people have the

737
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 2: ability to say my fault, my bad.

738
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, there ain't a whole lot of capability going on.

739
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: It's a lot of people kissing your Yeah.

740
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 2: Very few people have the ability to say, hey, you

741
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 2: know what, it's my fault, it's my bad. I was

742
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 2: wrong because, like I said, you got so many people

743
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 2: kissing you. You got so many people on the payroll

744
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 2: kissing you. It's like, so you have to be self aware.

745
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 2: And that's the only thing I hate about life.

746
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: All the dummies you did.

747
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 2: You get older, you get so much smarter and get

748
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 2: so much wisdom, and you go back, Man, what a

749
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 2: dummy I was?

750
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: Nobody told you that.

751
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, but but but you you know, that's that is

752
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 2: that's the one thing about life that I that I

753
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,840
Speaker 2: really hate that you don't learn all this smart stuff

754
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 2: that you get older, because there are so many people

755
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 2: out there. There's so many people out there who make

756
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 2: mistakes that they either die from or ruins their life.

757
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 2: And if you get older, You're like, man, what I

758
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 2: did back then was dumb and stupid. And I wish

759
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 2: that more young kids would pick up talk to people.

760
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 1: Like you me, because we've been through some stuff.

761
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 2: Like when I watch you all the time, you talk

762
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:38,320
Speaker 2: about preparing for success. You talk about your time in Denver,

763
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 2: you talk about your time with the Ravens, about trying

764
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 2: to teach the young guys how to do things, take

765
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 2: care of them bodies and things like that. I tell

766
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 2: these guys that, Yo, man, it's like Zon. I like

767
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 2: Zon a lot does of you. He reminds me. I mean,

768
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 2: he's more, he's more athletic, but the sooner he gets

769
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 2: in shape, the better he's gonna be. Have you had

770
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 2: a conversation with him, No, but and I don't. I

771
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 2: don't know him, but I try to tell him that

772
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 2: on television.

773
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: I hope he hears. And don't take it as a

774
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: criticism because.

775
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 2: Like he he has got so much talent.

776
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,359
Speaker 1: And you can't get in shape during the season. No,

777
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 1: you get in shape during the summer. Correct.

778
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 2: And I've see that he's lost about twenty five pounds.

779
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 2: That's what the report started doing the season. You got

780
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 2: to do that during the summer because you got to

781
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 2: be ready to go when the season starts, because he

782
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 2: got man, he is so explosive, because that last game

783
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 2: that he got hurt in against the Lakers, that's the

784
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 2: best I've ever seen him play. But you, man, and listen, listen.

785
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 2: I got in shape for two million dollars. The money

786
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 2: these guys are making today, I'd be damn near an

787
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 2: arresting for.

788
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 1: For thirty five forty dollars. You make fifty sixty, I know.

789
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:58,399
Speaker 1: I be like, we got to get charge to eat.

790
00:39:58,440 --> 00:39:59,800
Speaker 1: He's he's atorect.

791
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 2: I was like, my first contract was four years, two

792
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 2: million dollars, and I said, I lost fifty pounds for

793
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,800
Speaker 2: that type of money. I said, for thirty forty fifty

794
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 2: sixty million dollars. And they're like, your guys, Charge is

795
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 2: losing too much weight. He's we will have to make

796
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:17,839
Speaker 2: sure he ain't blimit or something. I said like, But so, man,

797
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,280
Speaker 2: I just hope he listens and don't take it. Because

798
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 2: guys who've been in this business, like yourself and myself, man,

799
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 2: this is it's just the best.

800
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 1: Job in the world. But sometimes you need to take

801
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 1: constructive criticism.

802
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,760
Speaker 2: But the problem is is that a lot of time athletes,

803
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,320
Speaker 2: and I've been one and now I'm on the other side.

804
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 2: Is that we have people around us that tell us

805
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 2: what we want to hear, what we need to know, yes,

806
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 2: And so a person that tells you what you need

807
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 2: to know, you're less apt to move away from that

808
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 2: persons and keep the people that tell you what you

809
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:52,320
Speaker 2: want to hear around.

810
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: They should tell him, they shouldn't.

811
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 2: He should see it because when I first saw him,

812
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,919
Speaker 2: I say, he reminds me of Charles Barkley, but he's

813
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 2: more explosive. Yes, Chuck, but if he lost it, if

814
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,919
Speaker 2: he got down to two fifty, they'd have to change.

815
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 2: That'd be like because the thing he did against the

816
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:12,359
Speaker 2: Lakers in that one game, he could do that every night.

817
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 1: And that goes back to my original.

818
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 2: Thing, Like I could have a couple of good plays

819
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 2: when I was three hundred pounds, but sustain it.

820
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 1: But I couldn't sustain it.

821
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,800
Speaker 2: When I got to fifty, I can sustain it, and

822
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 2: I could go the next day and the next day,

823
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 2: the next day. And I hope you know these guys,

824
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:31,959
Speaker 2: And I hate to be the old man, cause when

825
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 2: you say something or I say something, we hate what

826
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 2: we hate or we the old get all my long guys.

827
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, we know how this story ends. I says,

828
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 2: let me tell you something. I know how every NBA

829
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 2: story is going to end. I played against Bird, I

830
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:52,399
Speaker 2: played against Magic, Kareem Michael. You know, I play like

831
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 2: I know what it takes to be successful, and no,

832
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 2: you know what it takes to be great? Yes, And

833
00:41:58,040 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 2: you know the thing is, it's like, let's talk about

834
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:01,800
Speaker 2: drug drugs. I had a younger brother who was a

835
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 2: junkie who died at a young age. When I talked

836
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 2: to these young kids in high school to college about drugs,

837
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,399
Speaker 2: I said, yo, man, it ain't a matter if it's

838
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 2: a matter of when you know, it broke my mom's heart.

839
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: It broke my heart for a long time.

840
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,720
Speaker 2: I said, yo, man, I don't understand why you gotta

841
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:20,800
Speaker 2: do drugs.

842
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 1: I just don't get it.

843
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 2: And I almost did cocaine one time, because you know,

844
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 2: I had put my brother in a bunch of rehabs

845
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 2: and I was like, what's what's the petition? And I

846
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 2: talked to one of my boys. I says, yo, man,

847
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:37,800
Speaker 2: I want you to get me some cocaine. And he says,

848
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 2: Charles she's sucking nuts. I says, man, my brother, he

849
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:45,359
Speaker 2: gonna die at some point. And I ain't never had

850
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 2: something so strong that I would give up the NBA

851
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,360
Speaker 2: or my money, saying, you know, I gotta do drugs.

852
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 1: And he knows it's killing him, but he can't stop me.

853
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,399
Speaker 2: Catching up John Lucas, who's a great, great man, he said,

854
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 2: he said, Chuck, Le'm gonna tell you something about the junkie.

855
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 2: He says, if I put a million dollars on this

856
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 2: table cash and a pile of cocaine over there, or

857
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 2: a crack or whatever you want to say, a junkie

858
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,280
Speaker 2: would not say, Man, I can buy a lot of cocaine.

859
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 1: With that money, he gonna go right for that pile

860
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: over there. Wow.

861
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 2: And my brother died. I think he was forty when

862
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 2: he died. He got his life together, he got his

863
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 2: life together. He had done so much damage to his

864
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 2: body and it just gave out. And when I talk

865
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:30,839
Speaker 2: to these kids, I said, oh, man, it ain't a

866
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 2: matter if it's just a matter of when. If you're

867
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 2: doing this drug thing, it's somebody you'll finally gonna get

868
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 2: a call one night that it's over. And that I

869
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 2: felt so bad for my mom because she never got

870
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 2: over it, never got over it. You come out the

871
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety four draft, now, I mean eighty four draft.

872
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 2: The eighty four draft Michael Jordan, John Stopping, Charles Barkley, Keim,

873
00:43:56,760 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 2: Elijah Wan the first three with call of Fame, I

874
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 2: mean Logia one with I think he went first, Yes,

875
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:08,839
Speaker 2: Jordan went third, sample Lamboy with second, y'all had Hall

876
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 2: of famers, the eighty five draft Karmelone, Patrick Ewings, Chris Mullins,

877
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 2: Charles Oakley, Joe Dumars, eighty seven David Robinson, Reggie Miller, Scotti,

878
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 2: Miller Scotti, Pimpin Hardest, Mark Jackson, Muggsy Bowl ninety sixth draft,

879
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 2: Kobe Ray, Allen, Steve Nash, Allen, Ivericks, Alon Everson's, Stefan Marrer,

880
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 2: Deak Fisher, and obviously the two thousand and three draft,

881
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 2: Lebron d Wade, Chris Bosh, mellow All Hall of Famer.

882
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 1: What's the best draft? Well, I don't know.

883
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 2: If you can say who's the best draft, you know,

884
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 2: I get example why I say that, Tom Brady, Joe Montana,

885
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 2: Dan Marino during the conversation of the greatest quarterbacks ever

886
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:58,879
Speaker 2: and Pat mahomes On as Snding. Yeah, those guys ain't

887
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 2: never gonna be knitter red books in five to ten years,

888
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 2: and there are some of the best ever to do it.

889
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 2: The games have changed, the rules have changed. Doesn't make

890
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 2: better or worse, it's just different. Should we consider that

891
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 2: when we're talking about greatness because of the rule change

892
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:21,439
Speaker 2: in football, I think you have to, like, I don't

893
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 2: care who think about this. There's probably gonna be ten

894
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:29,879
Speaker 2: quarterbacks in the next five years. It's gonna shouter all

895
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:34,720
Speaker 2: the records, and they gonna be one third the player.

896
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 2: Tom Brady, Joe Montana, Dan Marino, Drew Brees, Peyton Manning.

897
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 2: Those guys are gonna be They probably won't think about

898
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 2: it in ten fifteen years.

899
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 1: No, probably won't even be that long.

900
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 2: They won't even be in the top ten yardages and

901
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:52,280
Speaker 2: touchdown passes because the rules have changed, and it's obviously

902
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:55,879
Speaker 2: just at now number one. They're gonna pass it more

903
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 2: a lot more. But also defensive are handicap right now. Also,

904
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:04,800
Speaker 2: so all the players you mentioned are great, great, great,

905
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 2: but it is just a lot easier to play basketball

906
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 2: because I tell people, Michael, I played well, you played

907
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:17,320
Speaker 2: them boys from the Pistons.

908
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 1: We used always say call your family, telling.

909
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 2: Me love them and goodbye, because there was a chance

910
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:24,839
Speaker 2: you wasn't gonna make it out.

911
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 1: They were trying to hurt people.

912
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 2: They had six guys who used their files. You know,

913
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 2: it's so crazy that when I was watching that the

914
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 2: documentary or the Last Dance, some of those files would

915
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 2: get you suspended for ten games today. Oh absolutely, yeah, yeah, yeah,

916
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 2: there was just one Bob back then. Yeah, Bill Lambert.

917
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 2: Bill Lamber would been out the lead at least thirty games.

918
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 2: At least he was delivered with he yes. Ain't the

919
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 2: same thing with Mahorn, John Sally, Dennis Rodman. I mean,

920
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 2: think about you and you go back and uh because Lambert,

921
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 2: all the guys, so the rules have changed, they're not

922
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 2: like I said, I don't ever say things are better,

923
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 2: but all these guys are great. And I was blessed

924
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 2: to play in the generation because the two most important

925
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 2: figures in NBA history of magic Johnson Larry Berg. Right,

926
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 2: if it wasn't for those two guys, and race has

927
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 2: something to do with that, Yes, Reece has something to

928
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 2: do with that.

929
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 1: Drew line.

930
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 2: But it's still the best thing that ever happened to

931
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 2: the NBA. It is because before the end, the average

932
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 2: salary then was two hundred thousand dollars.

933
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 1: When Magic and Bird came in, confirms of it.

934
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:51,839
Speaker 2: Was too black, two thuggish, too drug infest and we

935
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 2: were taped delayed. People don't realize that. They don't even

936
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 2: know that NBA Finals was on tape. The Lake and Shanne,

937
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 2: you got one game a week on you did?

938
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 1: I remember?

939
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 2: You got one game a week on Sunday and people,

940
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 2: now you can go, you can watch the game seven

941
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 2: days of week. We own all the games, all the games.

942
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:13,919
Speaker 2: I said, no, you don't understand this. And like I said,

943
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 2: it was a long time ago. But think about it.

944
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 2: The finals were take were tap the league and that

945
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 2: was only one game on Sunday, and the average sellary

946
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 2: was two hundred thousand dollars. The average salary now is

947
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 2: ten million dollars. We got what's gonna be crazy. We

948
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 2: got three NBA players, I think three or four are

949
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 2: making sixty.

950
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 1: Million dollars a year.

951
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:38,399
Speaker 2: In the next five years, we're gonna have guys making

952
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 2: seventy eighty nine. It's gonna be crazy. Eighty a year,

953
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 2: jump eighty a year to play basketball good and what's crazy?

954
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 1: Shaw, that's how old I am.

955
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 2: I remember vividly me Doc Moses, Barbia Johns, Andrew Tony

956
00:48:57,640 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 2: that we're in the locker room one day and it

957
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 2: the Madgie Johnson had been the first NBA player to

958
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 2: make a million dollars.

959
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:06,799
Speaker 1: We were walking around high five in each other.

960
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 2: We could not believe, we could not believe that an

961
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 2: NBA player made a million dollars. Sell and I'm like,

962
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 2: and I'm with Docu Moses now, who are all time greats.

963
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:19,399
Speaker 1: They're high five of each other.

964
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 2: They're like, we can't believe an NBA player making a

965
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:28,839
Speaker 2: million dollars. That's how that's how crazy it was thinking

966
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 2: about money back in the day. It says it was

967
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 2: reported that you didn't want to go to Philly so

968
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 2: bad that in the forty eight hours span, you ate

969
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 2: two Denny Grand Slam breakfasts, six pancakes. Bacon told him

970
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:44,280
Speaker 2: about sixteen hundred calories, a vanilla milkshake, Kentucky fried chicken, bucket,

971
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 2: mashed potatoes, coleslaw, half the menu at Red Lobster, two

972
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 2: McDonald fish bilades, large fries.

973
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 1: I don't know why to hear you ate had a

974
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 1: died coach to wash it down.

975
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 2: Two takes of sad barbecue sandwich is a t bowe steak,

976
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:01,359
Speaker 2: baked potato, three desserts. Repeated it for the next day

977
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 2: game twenty pounds, also while drinking what da hen, You.

978
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 1: Couldn't kill yourself. You could have went to a pool Tooma.

979
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:11,359
Speaker 1: I could have been poor too. No, so you know

980
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 1: they had a really hard cap. Right. So I'm with

981
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 1: my agent. So if you know, you do your visits.

982
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:23,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, the owner of the seventy six, it says, put

983
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:25,959
Speaker 2: me on the scale. I'm weighing about two ninety five.

984
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 2: This is about a month before the draft. He says,

985
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 2: you know, we're concerned about your weight. I said, well, well,

986
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get in shape. I think I'm whatever. Blah

987
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 2: blah blah. He said, we want you to weigh we

988
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:45,319
Speaker 2: want you to lose ten pounds. We want you to

989
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 2: come in the day to draft, stopping Philly on your

990
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 2: way to New York for the draft. So I go

991
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 2: train for a month down in the Houston. I think

992
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 2: at the time I'm weighing about two eighty two, two

993
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 2: eighty three somewhere in there.

994
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's gonna happen in the month. No,

995
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 1: I got down. It was only like twelve pounds.

996
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 2: Oh, he wanted you to get the two eighty Okay, yes, okay,

997
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:12,799
Speaker 2: He says, we want to get to eighty five. So

998
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,880
Speaker 2: I go down to Houston train for a month and

999
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 2: I'm like, too, eighty two and if we get on

1000
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 2: the scale, he says, Now, truck, we have a problem.

1001
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:24,839
Speaker 2: That what's the problem. He says, Well, the Sixers are

1002
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 2: over there at the cap. They can only give you

1003
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 2: a one year deal for seventy five thousand dollars. I said,

1004
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 2: I didn't leave college for five thousand dollars. Are y'all crazy?

1005
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 2: He says, Well, I don't know what to tell you.

1006
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 2: He says, sixers want to take you. I said, I

1007
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 2: don't want to. I said, I didn't leave college for

1008
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 2: one year for seventy five thousand. What if I get hurt.

1009
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 2: I'm trying to take care of my family, set my

1010
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 2: family up for financial for life. He says, well, if

1011
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 2: the sixth draft you're going to sign a one year

1012
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 2: deal for seventy five thousand, I said, what can we do?

1013
00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 2: He says, Well, we're stopping in Philly on the way

1014
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 2: to New York Man. We went right to Dennis. I

1015
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:08,319
Speaker 2: got a grand slam. I counseled workouts for the next

1016
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 2: two days. I got me a grand slam. We went out.

1017
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 2: I got me some shakes, went to a big steakhouse

1018
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:19,919
Speaker 2: the night before, got me the big t bone, got

1019
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 2: me some fries, got me a big old piece of cake.

1020
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 1: Did the same thing. The next day. I get back

1021
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: to Philly. We stopped. I'm two ninety eight.

1022
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 2: The owner team called me, walked up, walked up, and

1023
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 2: me and my agents looked at each other like, thank god,

1024
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 2: we dodged a bullet. And if you go back and

1025
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 2: look at my face and out of the draft and

1026
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 2: that sweet burg and to shuit, I might add man

1027
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:54,799
Speaker 2: when they said, with the number five pick, the sev

1028
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:58,840
Speaker 2: seventy sixth select Charles Barkley, the look on my face,

1029
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 2: I'm in shock, and I'm thinking, damn, I left college

1030
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:07,800
Speaker 2: for seventy five thousand dollars. I got to be the

1031
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 2: biggest fool in the world. And so we go down

1032
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 2: the Philly and he says, you know, go to the

1033
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 2: summer league. And I said, well, I got no choice.

1034
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 2: So I go to the Summer League. And I started

1035
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 2: just whipping I do. I was like, I got this,

1036
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 2: and he says, Okay, we're gonna trade some players because

1037
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:35,479
Speaker 2: we're not gonna make you sign a one year deal.

1038
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 2: And they traded Franklin at work and I think Mark

1039
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:42,840
Speaker 2: ivor Roni and my first year, my first deal was

1040
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 2: four years, two million dollars. You was on the court

1041
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 2: when Doc and Larry got into it. What calls that man?

1042
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:53,840
Speaker 2: First of all, I hate the NBA for that reason.

1043
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 2: They owe me five thousand dollars. I'm still pissed to

1044
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:00,839
Speaker 2: this day because the one thing I would never do

1045
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:02,320
Speaker 2: right this hole.

1046
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 1: A guy for another guy to hit him. And I've

1047
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:05,359
Speaker 1: been mad.

1048
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:07,799
Speaker 2: I'm still madtress day, y'allwed me five thousand dollars out

1049
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:08,280
Speaker 2: of Severn.

1050
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 1: So Larbrary was a great trash talker.

1051
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:19,359
Speaker 2: And he's like, Charles, y'all better get this old man

1052
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 2: off me. I'm telling you, and he's just roasting Doc.

1053
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 2: He's like, and this is Doc last year. I think

1054
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 2: he was right there. It was last year, the year before.

1055
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 2: He's killing Doc. And he's like, Chuck, I'm telling you

1056
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:36,879
Speaker 2: for the last time, you better get over here because

1057
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 2: I'm gonna kill this old man. And it goes on

1058
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 2: up and down, and he Larry's just killing him and

1059
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 2: Doc had just had enough and I just had them.

1060
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 2: They come together and I just kind of grabbed Larry.

1061
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:52,399
Speaker 2: I'm not even looking at Doc when I went back

1062
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 2: and looked at the tape, Doctor nailing his eyes.

1063
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 1: I was just trying to pull guys apart. Yeah, but

1064
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 1: you know, you can't fight.

1065
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:01,919
Speaker 2: You can't grab one unless somebody, hey, you grab him.

1066
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 1: I grabbed Larry because I didn't want him hitting Doc.

1067
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:07,360
Speaker 2: But ain't nobody grabbed Doc. I know, I know, but

1068
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 2: but you just said something. If I grabbed Doc and

1069
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 2: Larry sawed pummeling, I ain't. I can't go back to Philly, right,

1070
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:16,720
Speaker 2: I can't go back to Philly. So I grabbed Larry

1071
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 2: to stop him from here. Doc and Doc welling away,

1072
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 2: but it started because Doc was like Larry's like, yo, man,

1073
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 2: y'all better get he's screaming it too. Everybody here, y'all

1074
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:28,839
Speaker 2: better get this old man off me. I'm gonna kill

1075
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 2: him out here. Larry's wanted, I tell you. Larr Berry

1076
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 2: was one of the best trash talkers ever. So one

1077
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:36,360
Speaker 2: of my teammates, Leon Wood, was a great he's an

1078
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:39,399
Speaker 2: NBA official now. So were in the room getting ready

1079
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 2: for the three point contest at an All Star game.

1080
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 2: Larry walks in says, which one of y'all gonna come

1081
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 2: in Sucond place? Y'all heard me? Which one of y'all

1082
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:55,800
Speaker 2: gonna come in Sucond place?

1083
00:55:57,520 --> 00:55:58,280
Speaker 1: Like? Damn?

1084
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:02,799
Speaker 2: That was like my first real talk to him. Oh,

1085
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 2: that sounded pretty aggressive. He won though he won, I

1086
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 2: mean he was he was. He was one of the

1087
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 2: best at trash talking man. When he came in there

1088
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:13,839
Speaker 2: and said that you could have heard a pan drop,

1089
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:15,880
Speaker 2: everybody's all excited and everything.

1090
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 1: Everybody get Yeah, we get.

1091
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:19,360
Speaker 2: Larry Walker and said, which one y'all gonna come in

1092
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 2: the same place?

1093
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:21,879
Speaker 1: Second place? You could have heard a pan drop?

1094
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:25,439
Speaker 2: You probably be played when you look at the era

1095
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:32,799
Speaker 2: in which you played Magic Bird, Kareem Michael Elijahuan Patrick Robinson.

1096
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, what was that era like?

1097
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 2: Because that was that that era made it possible for

1098
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 2: this era, And I don't know if this era gives

1099
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:46,360
Speaker 2: that era enough credit, and maybe that era doesn't give this.

1100
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:50,280
Speaker 1: Era enough credit. Well, that's a great question.

1101
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 2: We should always give credit to the guys who came

1102
00:56:55,040 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 2: before us, always because if it won for those guys,

1103
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:05,719
Speaker 2: nobody will be y'all making this money because y'all were

1104
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 2: born at the right time. You're not better than Michael Jordan,

1105
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 2: Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Kareem, Bill Russell.

1106
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 1: You're not better than those guys. Let me ask you this.

1107
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 2: Let me push back those guys, but I'm saying average.

1108
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 2: If you look at the teams now, guys are more skilled.

1109
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 2: You have more guys that can shoot the equivalent of

1110
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 2: Reggie and Larry Yes on a team. Just to be

1111
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:37,479
Speaker 2: appreciative of that was that generation. Okay, I got number

1112
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 2: of love for these young guys because number one, they're great, Yes,

1113
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 2: but they should always have great appreciation for the older

1114
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 2: guys because those guys did all the heavy lifting. It's

1115
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 2: kind of like being black. In my opinion, I have

1116
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 2: so much love for older black people, absolutely, because I

1117
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 2: don't know what it's like for people to spray me

1118
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 2: with a water holes, seek the dog the dog, or

1119
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:08,960
Speaker 2: tell me we're taping this. In the four seasons, we

1120
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 2: couldn't have been here though. They said, take your black

1121
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 2: up to the Motel six and do this interview. If

1122
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 2: you can't. Every time I meet an older black person, again. Example,

1123
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 2: one of my mentor was Jill Morgan. Okay, he called

1124
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 2: his dad one day. He said, Dad, we're gonna meet

1125
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 2: Jackie Robinson tomorrow. He said, what do I say? He says,

1126
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 2: just tell him thank you. And I think every time

1127
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:35,919
Speaker 2: I meet an older black person, I want to say

1128
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 2: thank you because y'all did all the heavy lifting. Y'all

1129
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 2: did all the heavy lifting what they had to do.

1130
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 2: I can't and and I can't even imagine, like I

1131
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 2: can go to any restaurant I want to.

1132
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 1: I can say it in the hotel I want to.

1133
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 2: I don't even know what it's like when people say, well,

1134
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 2: you can't stay here, you or get to the back

1135
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 2: of the bus. The bus or the movie theater. I'm

1136
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 2: old enough to remember the movie is the black set

1137
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 2: up top? Yeah, you couldn't sit down load. I'm old

1138
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 2: enough I do remember that. And that's and and so

1139
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:10,800
Speaker 2: that's and so the analogy of every basketball player today

1140
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 2: just say, yo, man, I want to thank you.

1141
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 1: Not even me because I made a good living.

1142
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 2: But every time I made an older guy, I was like, yo, man,

1143
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 2: thank you for what you did for me. But every

1144
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 2: time I meet Magic and Bird, I tell them guys. Man,

1145
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:29,000
Speaker 2: thank y'all, because because in sports, there are a lot

1146
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 2: of great players, but there's only a few guys who.

1147
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 1: Moved the needlem. Correct.

1148
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 2: Like in golf, there are a lot of great players today,

1149
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 2: but Jack Nicholas, Arno Palmer, Gary Player, Phil Mickers and

1150
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 2: Tiger Woods, those guys took the sport to a whole

1151
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 2: nother level.

1152
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 1: And like there are a lot.

1153
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:54,800
Speaker 2: Of great players, but very few players are like, oh,

1154
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 2: I got to watch that guy on television. We gonna

1155
00:59:57,640 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 2: we need to do the TV deal because of that guy.

1156
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 2: And all you want from any generation is number one

1157
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:04,400
Speaker 2: to leave it better.

1158
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:04,960
Speaker 1: Correct.

1159
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:09,320
Speaker 2: Like I'm disappointed in these guys today with this low management.

1160
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:15,200
Speaker 2: I said, yo, man, First of all, we're not teachers,

1161
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:19,440
Speaker 2: we're not nurses, we're not in the service.

1162
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 1: People who work like hard every day.

1163
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:25,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, we play a stupid basketball game for three or

1164
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 2: four days a week. You're not gonna play more than

1165
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 2: three or four days a week. You're gonna make thirty

1166
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:35,000
Speaker 2: forty million, sixty million. I'm pretty sure the nurse don't

1167
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 2: want to go to work sometime. You gave low manage.

1168
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 2: You can't I'm pretty sure teachers can't load manage I says, man,

1169
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 2: just play basketball.

1170
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:47,240
Speaker 1: You got the best shoes.

1171
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:51,479
Speaker 2: Can't imagine Bill Russell playing in those canvas shoes, Taylor

1172
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 2: Chuck Taylor's can you imagine?

1173
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:55,960
Speaker 1: Can you imagine no support? No support?

1174
01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:58,720
Speaker 2: And they played every game for three thousand dollars a

1175
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 2: year and you can't just.

1176
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:04,440
Speaker 1: Like, of course you're sore. I'm pretty sure doctors and

1177
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 1: nurse is a sore.

1178
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:08,840
Speaker 2: But man, just to be appreciative, how lucky and blessed

1179
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:11,640
Speaker 2: we are to do something stupid and make a gazillion dollars.

1180
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:17,160
Speaker 2: How different would your career have been if you weren't

1181
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:19,960
Speaker 2: drafted and played in the era of Michael Jordan?

1182
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:24,760
Speaker 1: Do you want a title? That's a great question.

1183
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I'm glad I played in this

1184
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 2: era because number one, you want to play in a

1185
01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 2: great player, the greatest or you know, it's a debate

1186
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 2: between him and Lebron. Some people still think, Kareem, you

1187
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:41,240
Speaker 2: want to play in that because number one, what Michael did.

1188
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:43,920
Speaker 2: Going back to what we were talking about, how respect

1189
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:49,520
Speaker 2: for the oldest generation. If it wasn't for Michael, we

1190
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:53,280
Speaker 2: wouldn't I wouldn't make millions of dollars from Nike a year, right,

1191
01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:59,080
Speaker 2: lebron Kobe wouldn't make millions of dollars from Nike a

1192
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:02,560
Speaker 2: year if it went with Michael Jordan, we all wouldn't

1193
01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:06,760
Speaker 2: have commercials. People act like athletes always did commercials. No

1194
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:10,400
Speaker 2: Number one, None of us had a shoe deal until Michael.

1195
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 2: None of us shot commercials until Michael. So whether you

1196
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:18,400
Speaker 2: want to debate who's the greatest, that guy is the

1197
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 2: reason we make.

1198
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:22,280
Speaker 1: That's the reason I think about this.

1199
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:24,120
Speaker 2: And when I was in it was really fun in

1200
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 2: that movie Air because I'm in. I'm technically in the

1201
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 2: movie because me and Michael in the same generations, his

1202
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:33,800
Speaker 2: mom and dad having the foreth thoughts to say he

1203
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:37,320
Speaker 2: gonna get a piece of a shoe, and then Matt

1204
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:39,200
Speaker 2: Damon who played son and says, well, we don't do

1205
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:39,840
Speaker 2: it like that.

1206
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:43,360
Speaker 1: Miss Jordan said, yeah, we do it like that.

1207
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:50,320
Speaker 2: And because of that, I made millions of dollars from Nike,

1208
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:54,400
Speaker 2: just from and also from my significant shoe.

1209
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 1: So I lost to Michael Jordan.

1210
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:03,080
Speaker 2: It would have been great and the only thing I

1211
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:05,520
Speaker 2: ever felt bad about, trying to be honest, I couldn't

1212
01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:07,440
Speaker 2: win the seventy six or not the seventy six. The

1213
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:12,560
Speaker 2: signs a championship because in Philly they had one. In

1214
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 2: Houston they had one. I have always felt bad that

1215
01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:19,840
Speaker 2: I wasn't able to bring a championship defeatis because that's

1216
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:20,320
Speaker 2: my home.

1217
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:22,600
Speaker 1: They gave me.

1218
01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:30,440
Speaker 2: When I got traded there, my life just changed dramatically because, man,

1219
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:33,120
Speaker 2: all I wanted was some help, because when you're a

1220
01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:35,720
Speaker 2: great player, man, it's hard to go out there.

1221
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:37,560
Speaker 1: You know, because there's a.

1222
01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:40,200
Speaker 2: Couple of things that happened to me that really because

1223
01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:42,920
Speaker 2: I was getting so depressed in Philly, because I was

1224
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:47,160
Speaker 2: saying to myself, Damn, I suck as a basketball player.

1225
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:51,240
Speaker 2: I says we never well, says we get beat in

1226
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:54,080
Speaker 2: the first round every year. And I'm like, I know

1227
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:58,360
Speaker 2: I'm great, but our team wasn't very good. But because

1228
01:03:58,520 --> 01:04:01,840
Speaker 2: I'm like hell, man, and I'm having my private moments

1229
01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:04,680
Speaker 2: and I'm talking to my friends, I'm like, man, am

1230
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:07,160
Speaker 2: I not good at basketball? I think I'm great? Blah

1231
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:07,960
Speaker 2: blah blah.

1232
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:10,160
Speaker 1: And then when they call me for the Dream Team,

1233
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:13,640
Speaker 1: I was like, Damn, I am pretty good. I'm like

1234
01:04:13,720 --> 01:04:15,600
Speaker 1: I am good to thank you, thank you.

1235
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 2: And then when I got traded to Phoenix, they gave

1236
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:23,120
Speaker 2: me Dan Marley and Kevin Johnson and Mark West, those guys,

1237
01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:25,560
Speaker 2: I'm like, because when I got there that first day,

1238
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:29,360
Speaker 2: I said, guys, I think I'm the best basketball player

1239
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:33,040
Speaker 2: in the world. We're gonna play the Bulls for the championship.

1240
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:37,440
Speaker 2: Michael Jordan just has some more help. I'm just as

1241
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:39,560
Speaker 2: good as him. They look at me like I'm crazy.

1242
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:43,000
Speaker 2: They're like what I said, I think I'm the best

1243
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:47,240
Speaker 2: basketball player in the world. Y'all gonna find out right now,

1244
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:49,680
Speaker 2: because we're gonna go out here and start kicking somebody, right.

1245
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:53,840
Speaker 2: I told them at the first day, and there was

1246
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:57,040
Speaker 2: a turning point in the season, and I know Michael, well,

1247
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:01,480
Speaker 2: we got off to a good start. We play the

1248
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:04,959
Speaker 2: Bulls and he just kick out and I was saying

1249
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:06,880
Speaker 2: to myself, he know we're gonna play them in the finals.

1250
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:09,440
Speaker 2: He wanted to send us a message, so after the

1251
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:11,400
Speaker 2: game I told him, I said, guys, we got to

1252
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:15,920
Speaker 2: get better. That guy sent me a message tonight and

1253
01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:19,600
Speaker 2: I didn't like the message, but I received it. Yeah,

1254
01:05:19,600 --> 01:05:21,920
Speaker 2: I received it. And then we went on like a

1255
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:25,000
Speaker 2: twelve thirteen game winning streak, finished with the best record

1256
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:27,200
Speaker 2: of the NBA, get to the finals, and I said,

1257
01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:30,920
Speaker 2: I get the chance to prove my point. And I

1258
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:33,200
Speaker 2: tell you that's the first time in my life I

1259
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:36,480
Speaker 2: felt like I said, damn, that guy's better at basketball

1260
01:05:36,520 --> 01:05:40,200
Speaker 2: than me. Because I had my chance to showdown at

1261
01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:45,640
Speaker 2: the OK Corral and so no I was. It was

1262
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:49,240
Speaker 2: an honor same thing I say. But bird in Magic, Kareem,

1263
01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:51,200
Speaker 2: it was just a great time.

1264
01:05:52,120 --> 01:05:53,840
Speaker 1: The Dream Team. Let's clear this up.

1265
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:56,880
Speaker 2: The Dream Team was supposed to take the best eleven

1266
01:05:57,040 --> 01:06:00,280
Speaker 2: NBA players. It was the best twelve players. End up

1267
01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:03,360
Speaker 2: taking eleven NBA player and they took Christian Lahner. Yes,

1268
01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:09,480
Speaker 2: a lot of people believe that Isaiah Thomas was one

1269
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:12,600
Speaker 2: of the best eleven NBA players. A lot of people

1270
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:16,800
Speaker 2: believe Charles he was better than john Stockton. I think

1271
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:18,120
Speaker 2: he was a better player than Johnson.

1272
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:19,880
Speaker 1: Then why didn't he get to go on the team.

1273
01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:23,960
Speaker 2: Well, you know, number one, that is an amazing question

1274
01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:25,920
Speaker 2: because I'm so glad I get a chance to straighten

1275
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:26,520
Speaker 2: it out.

1276
01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:29,120
Speaker 1: Yes, please straighten it out. Number one.

1277
01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:36,560
Speaker 2: They never asked me about Isaiah Thomas, and it just

1278
01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:39,280
Speaker 2: came out. And I can't speak for the other guys,

1279
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:41,440
Speaker 2: but they never asked me personally about Isaiah Thomas and

1280
01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:44,960
Speaker 2: Isaiah Thomas probably should have been on the team, and

1281
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:47,600
Speaker 2: they asked Michael Jordan that he have anything to do

1282
01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:50,560
Speaker 2: with it, and then it actually just came out in

1283
01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:53,240
Speaker 2: the last year where he said, I'll play as long

1284
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:57,000
Speaker 2: as Isaia don't so, and then you got to have him.

1285
01:06:57,000 --> 01:06:59,560
Speaker 2: But you're going overseas, youve got to take the biggest guy.

1286
01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:03,240
Speaker 2: So I don't notice personally, but I think it was

1287
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:06,440
Speaker 2: Jack McCallum who said he had it on tape and

1288
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 2: he played it because I've been asked that question a

1289
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:11,720
Speaker 2: thousand times due they never asked me about Isaiah Thomas.

1290
01:07:12,080 --> 01:07:14,400
Speaker 1: But apparently Michael didn't want him on the team. He

1291
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:15,200
Speaker 1: was on the team.

1292
01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:17,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, whoever Michael didn want them the team, We're not

1293
01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:19,120
Speaker 2: gonna be on the team. But I will tell you

1294
01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:23,240
Speaker 2: some man, I've been so lucky and blessed in my life.

1295
01:07:24,080 --> 01:07:28,120
Speaker 2: Ain't nothing like the Olympics, Right, It's the most cool

1296
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:32,240
Speaker 2: event that I've ever been to. I didn't we had

1297
01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:34,320
Speaker 2: no idea how big it was going to be when

1298
01:07:34,320 --> 01:07:38,840
Speaker 2: we got there, because I tell people that was probably

1299
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:45,640
Speaker 2: a twelve foot window, maybe fifteen feet where they could

1300
01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:49,040
Speaker 2: see us get on the bus. Man, it was five

1301
01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:50,960
Speaker 2: to ten thousand people out there every day just to

1302
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:55,280
Speaker 2: get a glimpse of us, mainly obviously Michael Magic and

1303
01:07:55,360 --> 01:07:58,880
Speaker 2: Bird even though yeah, but they were just screamed to

1304
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:04,040
Speaker 2: watch these walked And then when we took off, there

1305
01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:06,520
Speaker 2: was a helicopter above the bus. There was a police

1306
01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:09,200
Speaker 2: car in front, police car and back there was two

1307
01:08:09,200 --> 01:08:12,320
Speaker 2: guys on motorcycles and one on the back had on

1308
01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:15,640
Speaker 2: the back of had a machine gun. There was people

1309
01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:21,759
Speaker 2: along the highway holding up signs. It was and we

1310
01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:27,000
Speaker 2: we're like, whoa, this is some real here. This is

1311
01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:31,800
Speaker 2: a real deal. And we were like, yeah, man, this

1312
01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:34,800
Speaker 2: is did you know it would be this big, not

1313
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:38,160
Speaker 2: even close. Nobody did. We had no idea. We like,

1314
01:08:38,200 --> 01:08:40,879
Speaker 2: i mean concerns though you know, we never really experienced

1315
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:46,280
Speaker 2: anything like that. And then we were like, whoa, this

1316
01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:49,599
Speaker 2: is a big deal. I mean peoples on the highway

1317
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:54,960
Speaker 2: holding up signs, hundreds of them. But when we walk by,

1318
01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:56,800
Speaker 2: and say, when we walk out every day to go

1319
01:08:56,880 --> 01:08:59,080
Speaker 2: to the game, it was five to ten thousand people.

1320
01:08:59,479 --> 01:09:03,519
Speaker 2: They were like up fifty yards away and they could

1321
01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:06,519
Speaker 2: only see us walk like twelve to fifteen feet, but

1322
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:07,439
Speaker 2: they were screaming.

1323
01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:10,560
Speaker 1: It was crazy. Uh, but it was it was. It was.

1324
01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:14,360
Speaker 2: It's a more, but being at the Olympics itself was

1325
01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:16,679
Speaker 2: such a cool one. And I tell people when when

1326
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:21,320
Speaker 2: when they're playing that national anthem and with me and

1327
01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:24,559
Speaker 2: Bird Madge, all the guys sees and playing in that yes,

1328
01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:28,439
Speaker 2: and we're like, we're like, we're all getting goosebomps. I

1329
01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:30,639
Speaker 2: mean it was, it was. It was surreal. You do

1330
01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:33,800
Speaker 2: realize what you guys did is that you birthed an era.

1331
01:09:34,439 --> 01:09:38,160
Speaker 1: The Nicola Jokichi, Yeah, the Luka donjis yea.

1332
01:09:38,360 --> 01:09:41,679
Speaker 2: Those guys came, they saw they probably wasn't born then,

1333
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:44,960
Speaker 2: but their parents and people, coaches, they saw that.

1334
01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:45,839
Speaker 1: The dirt and the biscuits.

1335
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:48,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, the page because at the time, if I'm not mistaken,

1336
01:09:48,680 --> 01:09:50,479
Speaker 2: the only guy that I can remember end that there

1337
01:09:50,479 --> 01:09:55,240
Speaker 2: was like Sabonahs. Yeah, I think Paysia yep U, Saruna's, Barcelona's.

1338
01:09:55,479 --> 01:09:58,360
Speaker 2: There were only a handful. It's not littered like and

1339
01:09:58,400 --> 01:09:59,760
Speaker 2: I don't mean that in a negative term, but it

1340
01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:03,400
Speaker 2: wasn't the influx of four more European players like it

1341
01:10:03,439 --> 01:10:03,840
Speaker 2: is now.

1342
01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:04,280
Speaker 1: Well.

1343
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:08,040
Speaker 2: Shout out to the great late David Stern. I think

1344
01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:10,640
Speaker 2: that was his vision, to be honest, to make the

1345
01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:14,559
Speaker 2: game international, right, and when I it was really funny,

1346
01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:18,640
Speaker 2: Like the first time I met Dirt Nubisky, Uh, he

1347
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:23,240
Speaker 2: was like eighteen and we're overseas. This is a Nike

1348
01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:29,840
Speaker 2: trip and he's got like thirty at halftime, and I

1349
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:31,599
Speaker 2: got like Scotty Pippin and some other kids.

1350
01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:33,800
Speaker 1: We got like Nike was always.

1351
01:10:33,479 --> 01:10:35,280
Speaker 2: Ahead of the curve taking us to foreign countries to

1352
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:38,000
Speaker 2: first got like thirty, and Scotty was like one of

1353
01:10:38,040 --> 01:10:39,080
Speaker 2: the best defenders in the world.

1354
01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:41,880
Speaker 1: He's like, I got him, I got him. Dirt got

1355
01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:45,040
Speaker 1: finished like fifty something. You ain't got his guy, And

1356
01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:47,840
Speaker 1: I said, yo, man, who the hell are you?

1357
01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:51,200
Speaker 2: He got the dick Jerma, my name is Dirt n

1358
01:10:51,200 --> 01:10:53,000
Speaker 2: NOVISTI I'm eighteen.

1359
01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:57,400
Speaker 1: I said, eighteen, you want to go to Auburn. I says,

1360
01:10:57,800 --> 01:11:00,559
Speaker 1: just name your price. We're good.

1361
01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:02,280
Speaker 2: He's like what he said, I want you to go

1362
01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:05,920
Speaker 2: to my college. I said, hey, to the Nike guys,

1363
01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:09,640
Speaker 2: get his information. They called me back a week later. No,

1364
01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:11,920
Speaker 2: because he said something. He says, I got to go

1365
01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:13,360
Speaker 2: in the army. I said, yo, man, you say hi

1366
01:11:13,360 --> 01:11:16,040
Speaker 2: feet talk not going to the damn army. You're not

1367
01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:18,080
Speaker 2: going in the army. Nobody going out, no self foot person,

1368
01:11:18,200 --> 01:11:21,120
Speaker 2: Army and I and they called me back like a

1369
01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:23,120
Speaker 2: month later. I said, Chuck, you know they changed the ruse.

1370
01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:26,519
Speaker 2: Now he's gonna go in the draft. I said, okay.

1371
01:11:27,080 --> 01:11:28,960
Speaker 2: And you know, people don't even realize this. You know,

1372
01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:31,000
Speaker 2: he didn't get drafted by the Maps. He got drafted

1373
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:34,040
Speaker 2: by Milwaukee. And I hate to say this, and I

1374
01:11:34,080 --> 01:11:37,200
Speaker 2: apologize to his family. It's probably going to go down

1375
01:11:37,280 --> 01:11:39,240
Speaker 2: one of the worst trades in NBA history because they

1376
01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:40,320
Speaker 2: traded for Robert Tractor.

1377
01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:40,759
Speaker 1: Trailer.

1378
01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:44,759
Speaker 2: It did, and Trailer was a nice kid. Rest in peace.

1379
01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:47,479
Speaker 2: But that's probably gonna go down. That's a bad trade

1380
01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:52,400
Speaker 2: because Dirk's up until to Joker, he was the greatest

1381
01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:55,479
Speaker 2: foreign player ever and when the Joker finished, you was.

1382
01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:59,880
Speaker 1: Taking him over. Lodi wanted his farm more player. Uh

1383
01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:05,480
Speaker 1: you know, I kind of look at it different because.

1384
01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:08,000
Speaker 2: Because you, like a Kam did play on American so well.

1385
01:12:08,120 --> 01:12:12,640
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, these guys can't. Yes, NBA shout out

1386
01:12:12,720 --> 01:12:14,240
Speaker 2: that Kim. It was an honor and privilege to play

1387
01:12:14,240 --> 01:12:18,599
Speaker 2: with him also, but listen, by the time the best.

1388
01:12:18,439 --> 01:12:21,360
Speaker 1: Form ball player, Yes, over the past dirt, he passed Dirt.

1389
01:12:21,479 --> 01:12:22,559
Speaker 1: It's over it.

1390
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:26,519
Speaker 2: Listen because you know I they might. I think they're

1391
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:30,599
Speaker 2: gonna win this thing again. Did you think I remember

1392
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:35,000
Speaker 2: watching him? I fought his career since he obviously I

1393
01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:37,240
Speaker 2: played in Denver and I've been following him, and I

1394
01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:39,720
Speaker 2: watched him in the bubble in twenty twenty, and I

1395
01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:41,320
Speaker 2: watched Anthony Davis gave it to it.

1396
01:12:41,479 --> 01:12:46,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, but now it's over. He's on a different jump. Yeah.

1397
01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:49,200
Speaker 2: I mean, the guy can give you thirty twenty and fifteen,

1398
01:12:49,560 --> 01:12:53,480
Speaker 2: like there's nothing he can't do well offensively.

1399
01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:54,599
Speaker 1: Well, it's crazy.

1400
01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:59,639
Speaker 2: Like last night, Yes, we were making a big deal

1401
01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:05,559
Speaker 2: because Aaron Gordon played fantastic, Yes, fantastic. Jamal Murray played great,

1402
01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:08,320
Speaker 2: and then we were looking at the stats last night,

1403
01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:12,880
Speaker 2: We're like, yo, man, the Joker had twenty four fifteen

1404
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:16,400
Speaker 2: to nine, doctor the easiest, twenty four to fifteen to

1405
01:13:16,479 --> 01:13:18,720
Speaker 2: that and we didn't and we didn't mission him on

1406
01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:19,679
Speaker 2: thirteen shots.

1407
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:22,320
Speaker 1: We did not even miss him. We made a big deal.

1408
01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:25,760
Speaker 2: We interviewed Aaron Gardon because he had career hiding points

1409
01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:29,240
Speaker 2: and assists of rebound. Excuse me, and I was looking

1410
01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:31,639
Speaker 2: at the stats. I said, man, Joker had twenty four

1411
01:13:31,640 --> 01:13:34,120
Speaker 2: to fifteen and nine and it was so quiet we

1412
01:13:34,160 --> 01:13:37,479
Speaker 2: didn't even talk about it. But you know, I mean,

1413
01:13:37,720 --> 01:13:40,040
Speaker 2: you know what, there's two interesting stories in the NBA

1414
01:13:40,360 --> 01:13:46,080
Speaker 2: that people never talk about, Steph Curry and Joker. If

1415
01:13:46,080 --> 01:13:49,320
Speaker 2: people you talk about people who deserve a job and

1416
01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:52,760
Speaker 2: people who should get fired. You know that when the

1417
01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:55,280
Speaker 2: Golden State Warriors had to make a big decision between

1418
01:13:55,320 --> 01:14:02,840
Speaker 2: Steph Curry and Monte Ellis, yes, and most people got

1419
01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:05,800
Speaker 2: mad they traded Monte because Steph was always hurt her.

1420
01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:09,800
Speaker 2: And same thing with Joker Nurkic. Yep, they were like,

1421
01:14:10,080 --> 01:14:13,400
Speaker 2: y'all should keep Nurkic instead of the Joker. And you

1422
01:14:13,479 --> 01:14:17,519
Speaker 2: think about how different one guy got four championship and

1423
01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:19,559
Speaker 2: he's one of the greatest players in the NBA history,

1424
01:14:19,720 --> 01:14:22,080
Speaker 2: and this guy is gonna be about to get his

1425
01:14:22,120 --> 01:14:27,559
Speaker 2: thirty year Yes, do you talk about changing the entire

1426
01:14:27,640 --> 01:14:32,280
Speaker 2: dynamics of your franchise of history. That's amazing that, like,

1427
01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:35,719
Speaker 2: we made the right decision and yo win a second round.

1428
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:38,200
Speaker 2: I know, I know, but they had to make that

1429
01:14:38,280 --> 01:14:41,519
Speaker 2: decision and the same thing because they knew that Monte

1430
01:14:41,560 --> 01:14:44,200
Speaker 2: Ellison steff that you can't play too little guards like that,

1431
01:14:45,080 --> 01:14:47,280
Speaker 2: and people were mad on both accounts.

1432
01:14:47,320 --> 01:14:49,160
Speaker 1: That's how crazy this this life is.

1433
01:14:49,680 --> 01:14:52,320
Speaker 2: Chug the Athletic had a poll and this guy has

1434
01:14:52,320 --> 01:14:55,559
Speaker 2: been winning most overrated for like the last five years,

1435
01:14:55,680 --> 01:14:56,719
Speaker 2: and that's Rudy Gobert.

1436
01:14:57,000 --> 01:15:01,400
Speaker 1: Why does Rudy get so much flat? Well? I think

1437
01:15:01,439 --> 01:15:03,240
Speaker 1: that we don't. We won't.

1438
01:15:03,320 --> 01:15:08,719
Speaker 2: We don't respect defensive players. But you know, I love ESPN,

1439
01:15:09,400 --> 01:15:12,960
Speaker 2: love ESPN. We don't show block shots unless it's after

1440
01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:18,559
Speaker 2: thatwards shot lebron chased down. We never showed defense. We

1441
01:15:18,640 --> 01:15:24,040
Speaker 2: show guys making shots and dunking like espen is amazing.

1442
01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:28,040
Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong, but in a two hour game,

1443
01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:34,720
Speaker 2: they show you a minute maybe a minute. I doubt

1444
01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:37,559
Speaker 2: if the highlights of the game lasts longer than a minute. Right,

1445
01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:41,639
Speaker 2: They ain't showing the Rudy Gobert blocking shots or changing shots.

1446
01:15:42,360 --> 01:15:44,320
Speaker 1: Woby, Now we're showing winby blocking?

1447
01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:46,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because but but they gonna show him making

1448
01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:50,680
Speaker 2: threes and all behind his back and everything. But you know,

1449
01:15:50,720 --> 01:15:53,760
Speaker 2: we don't show defensive defensive players like you think about it.

1450
01:15:54,880 --> 01:15:55,080
Speaker 3: Uh.

1451
01:15:55,120 --> 01:15:59,920
Speaker 2: In the NFL, we talk about uh the Bowser brother,

1452
01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:01,600
Speaker 2: Michael Parsons.

1453
01:16:03,200 --> 01:16:03,920
Speaker 1: Uh, we don't.

1454
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:07,960
Speaker 2: We very seldom talk about defensive players because defense isn't

1455
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:11,519
Speaker 2: pretty like unless Michael Parson's making a sack of something.

1456
01:16:11,600 --> 01:16:15,719
Speaker 2: One of the Bosa brothers, Hutchinson in Detroit, Aaron Donald,

1457
01:16:15,760 --> 01:16:17,800
Speaker 2: who's amazing. Shout out to Aaron Donald. Man, it's been

1458
01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:20,320
Speaker 2: an honor and the privilege to watch you play. But

1459
01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:23,519
Speaker 2: we only show offense. Yeah, because now it's an offensive era.

1460
01:16:23,880 --> 01:16:24,400
Speaker 1: You don't.

1461
01:16:24,520 --> 01:16:26,640
Speaker 2: They don't let you play football like they had when

1462
01:16:26,680 --> 01:16:30,240
Speaker 2: they had buckets and they had alt U rate Lewis's

1463
01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:33,519
Speaker 2: or the Ronning loss that were decapitating people out there.

1464
01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:35,400
Speaker 2: They don't want to show that side of the game

1465
01:16:35,439 --> 01:16:37,320
Speaker 2: because they're trying to clean it up and said, look,

1466
01:16:37,439 --> 01:16:39,160
Speaker 2: we're trying to stay away from you know, we want

1467
01:16:39,240 --> 01:16:41,320
Speaker 2: to make the game safer. But you want to see

1468
01:16:41,320 --> 01:16:43,240
Speaker 2: all these one handed You gonna see every one handed

1469
01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:44,439
Speaker 2: catch that happens on Sunday.

1470
01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:45,200
Speaker 1: You go see that.

1471
01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:50,559
Speaker 2: You're gonna see that the greatest This is the greatest

1472
01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:52,800
Speaker 2: player of all time. It seems to be a two

1473
01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:58,799
Speaker 2: man race now, Michael Jordan, Lebron James nothing eight. Kareem

1474
01:16:59,400 --> 01:17:01,640
Speaker 2: Kareem is the most underrated player in the history of

1475
01:17:01,680 --> 01:17:02,040
Speaker 2: the NBA.

1476
01:17:02,120 --> 01:17:03,040
Speaker 1: Yes, he's the thing.

1477
01:17:03,439 --> 01:17:05,840
Speaker 2: He was the all time leading scorer, the third or

1478
01:17:05,880 --> 01:17:08,519
Speaker 2: the third leading rebody. He won six m v P

1479
01:17:08,760 --> 01:17:11,920
Speaker 2: five championships, and that biggest seemed like the man.

1480
01:17:11,880 --> 01:17:13,800
Speaker 1: Was with some sauce. Yeah.

1481
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:17,200
Speaker 2: Well, I got a number of the admiration for Kareem

1482
01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:21,800
Speaker 2: first of all the activists. He's always been. Yes, you know,

1483
01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:24,800
Speaker 2: I find the let's talk about the Michael Lebron thing.

1484
01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:31,759
Speaker 2: They played in different eras and there they're in my opinion,

1485
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:34,640
Speaker 2: they're right there. You can it's either alb But I

1486
01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:36,680
Speaker 2: will say this about Lebron numb one. I like him

1487
01:17:36,680 --> 01:17:39,000
Speaker 2: a lot as a person. I think he's a nice guy.

1488
01:17:40,160 --> 01:17:42,760
Speaker 2: Never said that about Michael Jordan and he'll kill you.

1489
01:17:43,240 --> 01:17:47,320
Speaker 2: He'll kill you. I've said this two things. It's I

1490
01:17:47,400 --> 01:17:51,800
Speaker 2: put Kobe right there also, But Michael and Kobe will

1491
01:17:51,880 --> 01:17:52,200
Speaker 2: kill you.

1492
01:17:52,560 --> 01:17:56,680
Speaker 1: Lebron's a nice guy. Michael and Kobe will kill you. Uh.

1493
01:17:56,800 --> 01:17:59,120
Speaker 2: They played against their sister. She gonna get her kicked.

1494
01:18:00,160 --> 01:18:02,680
Speaker 2: Lebron like he ain't gonna beat up his sister. But

1495
01:18:02,720 --> 01:18:05,559
Speaker 2: I would say this about Lebron. I think it's the

1496
01:18:05,680 --> 01:18:12,639
Speaker 2: greatest story of any jock who's ever lived, because if

1497
01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:15,040
Speaker 2: you go back and look about guys who came out

1498
01:18:15,080 --> 01:18:18,000
Speaker 2: of high school. People forget Cobe struggled early. He did,

1499
01:18:18,640 --> 01:18:22,519
Speaker 2: Kevin Garnett struggled early. Lebron James is the only one

1500
01:18:23,320 --> 01:18:26,320
Speaker 2: because we had his first game, I said, Lebron James

1501
01:18:26,360 --> 01:18:30,679
Speaker 2: is the only one who didn't struggle right away. Right

1502
01:18:31,880 --> 01:18:34,880
Speaker 2: He came in and was a good player. He wasn't great, great,

1503
01:18:34,920 --> 01:18:38,200
Speaker 2: great right away, but he was a good player. But

1504
01:18:38,360 --> 01:18:41,920
Speaker 2: also in this generation where everybody's got a cell phone

1505
01:18:41,960 --> 01:18:46,479
Speaker 2: and people out to get you, he's never gotten in trouble.

1506
01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:51,600
Speaker 1: He's exceeded what.

1507
01:18:53,120 --> 01:18:56,360
Speaker 2: Any expectations, whatever you thought he could be because he

1508
01:18:56,439 --> 01:18:58,160
Speaker 2: was on he was the chosen one on the cover

1509
01:18:58,240 --> 01:19:01,439
Speaker 2: Sports Illustrated seventeen. So whatever you thought he could beat,

1510
01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:05,120
Speaker 2: he's just eclipsed it. He's eclipsed it. And to never

1511
01:19:05,160 --> 01:19:09,160
Speaker 2: get in trouble in this generation, Like I said, you know,

1512
01:19:09,200 --> 01:19:13,200
Speaker 2: everybody's got a cell phone now people are deliberately trying

1513
01:19:13,240 --> 01:19:17,479
Speaker 2: to get you. Yes, I think it's the greatest sports

1514
01:19:17,560 --> 01:19:21,120
Speaker 2: story ever in my opinion, being a mom didn't.

1515
01:19:20,840 --> 01:19:21,519
Speaker 1: Go to college.

1516
01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:25,000
Speaker 2: They gave the keys to the franchise to an eighteen

1517
01:19:25,080 --> 01:19:27,880
Speaker 2: year old kid and says we're only gonna go as

1518
01:19:27,880 --> 01:19:30,040
Speaker 2: far as you take us, and like you said, he's

1519
01:19:30,040 --> 01:19:33,160
Speaker 2: been a model citizen both own and off. Obviously the building,

1520
01:19:33,160 --> 01:19:36,640
Speaker 2: the brand Jordan gave. You gave everybody the blueprint. And

1521
01:19:36,720 --> 01:19:39,120
Speaker 2: we see Kevin Durms, we see the Steph courage, we

1522
01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:41,480
Speaker 2: see the Lebron James starting production.

1523
01:19:41,240 --> 01:19:44,719
Speaker 1: Company being active outside. You have Junior bridge whan I'm crazy.

1524
01:19:44,720 --> 01:19:45,559
Speaker 1: Two people don't know who.

1525
01:19:45,479 --> 01:19:48,679
Speaker 2: The well every time I say Junr, I say thank

1526
01:19:48,720 --> 01:19:52,559
Speaker 2: you because magic is kind of taken over now.

1527
01:19:52,680 --> 01:19:55,360
Speaker 1: Oh yes, but Junior was a good player.

1528
01:19:55,920 --> 01:20:02,559
Speaker 2: But his portfolio owning all those rest runs, probably being

1529
01:20:02,600 --> 01:20:04,920
Speaker 2: the first bigion are athlete, to be honest with you

1530
01:20:05,640 --> 01:20:10,040
Speaker 2: him theyve being and also is an amazing businessman. But

1531
01:20:10,200 --> 01:20:13,800
Speaker 2: every time I see Junior Bridgeman, like for a guy

1532
01:20:13,880 --> 01:20:15,080
Speaker 2: who didn't make a ton.

1533
01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:17,840
Speaker 1: Of money, that's what's so impression. I didn't have the.

1534
01:20:17,840 --> 01:20:20,920
Speaker 2: Name, didn't have the name to learn how to handle

1535
01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:24,519
Speaker 2: business and he's probably got five hundred to a thousand

1536
01:20:24,600 --> 01:20:28,759
Speaker 2: restaurants now and like does it so low key?

1537
01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:31,640
Speaker 1: Does it so low key? Like?

1538
01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:33,880
Speaker 2: Every time around here I try to pick his brain

1539
01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:39,000
Speaker 2: because the one like it's it's different now because these

1540
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:41,760
Speaker 2: guys make so much money. Yeah, I said, back in

1541
01:20:41,800 --> 01:20:45,479
Speaker 2: our day, you I says, dude. And I'm not poo pooing.

1542
01:20:45,320 --> 01:20:45,920
Speaker 1: On this either.

1543
01:20:45,920 --> 01:20:47,240
Speaker 2: I want to I want to make a clear because

1544
01:20:47,240 --> 01:20:49,360
Speaker 2: you know, when I say, it's gonna sound stupid. The

1545
01:20:49,360 --> 01:20:52,120
Speaker 2: most money I made was five million dollars. That was

1546
01:20:52,160 --> 01:20:57,519
Speaker 2: my last year, right, I says, Now that's below the minimum.

1547
01:20:58,320 --> 01:21:03,840
Speaker 2: I says, to be a businessman in our day and

1548
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:08,920
Speaker 2: become a billionaire, you are grated business. You're a grated business.

1549
01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:12,120
Speaker 2: And he wasn't a name people wanted to attach himself

1550
01:21:12,160 --> 01:21:14,920
Speaker 2: to Magic. Yes, people wanted to attach themselves to mic. Yes,

1551
01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:17,360
Speaker 2: he was Junior Bridge. Just a great businessman and a

1552
01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:24,640
Speaker 2: good dude. Here's his to me is one of the

1553
01:21:24,680 --> 01:21:31,479
Speaker 2: greatest stories ever. And if I was the NBA, I

1554
01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:35,960
Speaker 2: would bring him in every year to my team's teams

1555
01:21:36,400 --> 01:21:40,400
Speaker 2: and say, guys, because what people don't understand. Everybody on

1556
01:21:40,479 --> 01:21:43,439
Speaker 2: an NBA team or NFL team ain't making a lot

1557
01:21:43,439 --> 01:21:46,840
Speaker 2: of money or ain't gonna play a lot of years.

1558
01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:47,400
Speaker 1: Tenh people.

1559
01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:51,040
Speaker 2: The average in both sports, the average years about four years.

1560
01:21:52,240 --> 01:21:55,160
Speaker 2: Those two guys who need a junior Bridgeman just like

1561
01:21:55,200 --> 01:21:58,040
Speaker 2: you know, I was watching the draft last night and

1562
01:21:58,040 --> 01:22:03,240
Speaker 2: it's always an arching about a young kid. These dudes

1563
01:22:03,280 --> 01:22:06,719
Speaker 2: got a lot of a ton shirts out.

1564
01:22:05,960 --> 01:22:09,759
Speaker 1: I don't mind a little ice, but too much ice.

1565
01:22:10,200 --> 01:22:15,400
Speaker 2: They got d oors shoes, I says, they do know

1566
01:22:15,479 --> 01:22:18,800
Speaker 2: that money ain't gonna last forever, right, get you a

1567
01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:20,800
Speaker 2: pair of Nikes.

1568
01:22:21,160 --> 01:22:24,120
Speaker 1: I'm not paying for no d oors shoes. But you

1569
01:22:24,200 --> 01:22:26,800
Speaker 1: gotta be nice. You had that cranberry food on. You

1570
01:22:26,840 --> 01:22:27,240
Speaker 1: were nice.

1571
01:22:27,320 --> 01:22:29,439
Speaker 2: Juck with little skiny come, there's nothing wrong with a

1572
01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:32,920
Speaker 2: nice suit. But I tell these guys, you know, shouting.

1573
01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:34,880
Speaker 2: When I first was an idiot, when I became't got

1574
01:22:34,880 --> 01:22:40,000
Speaker 2: my money, I had like three or four cars. And

1575
01:22:40,120 --> 01:22:43,160
Speaker 2: Doctor J says, how many those cars can you drive

1576
01:22:43,200 --> 01:22:44,680
Speaker 2: at the same time? I said, what do you mean?

1577
01:22:44,720 --> 01:22:46,640
Speaker 2: He says, how many of those cars you got drive at

1578
01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:49,760
Speaker 2: the same time? I says one. He says, well, why

1579
01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:53,400
Speaker 2: you got four? He said, Chuck, this money got to

1580
01:22:53,479 --> 01:22:57,519
Speaker 2: last U for the rest of your life. He says,

1581
01:22:57,560 --> 01:22:59,160
Speaker 2: this money got to last you the rest.

1582
01:22:59,000 --> 01:22:59,679
Speaker 1: Of your life.

1583
01:23:01,240 --> 01:23:04,120
Speaker 2: He says, son, don't waste all your mind on cars.

1584
01:23:04,160 --> 01:23:06,960
Speaker 2: Everybody know who you are. He said, you pull up

1585
01:23:07,000 --> 01:23:12,360
Speaker 2: in a kill they know, Oh that's Charles Barkley. You

1586
01:23:12,360 --> 01:23:14,840
Speaker 2: pull up in a Mercedes Benz, a royal Ross. They say,

1587
01:23:14,880 --> 01:23:18,439
Speaker 2: that's Charles Barkley. But the problem is that money. It's

1588
01:23:18,479 --> 01:23:20,679
Speaker 2: not the fact that you can't afford that car right

1589
01:23:22,080 --> 01:23:25,920
Speaker 2: the fact that that three hundred thousand dollars you spend

1590
01:23:25,960 --> 01:23:28,320
Speaker 2: on that Bentley. If you bought a car for seventy

1591
01:23:28,360 --> 01:23:30,160
Speaker 2: eighty thousand, you would have had two hundred thousand more

1592
01:23:30,200 --> 01:23:32,040
Speaker 2: in the bank and they would have been growing and

1593
01:23:32,080 --> 01:23:35,759
Speaker 2: growing and then one year, three years, five years, twenty years,

1594
01:23:36,120 --> 01:23:38,800
Speaker 2: that two hundred thousand is gonna be worth a lot more.

1595
01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:42,320
Speaker 2: The question is, Chearles, is that you when I tell

1596
01:23:42,400 --> 01:23:45,479
Speaker 2: sometimes I tell young people, you can afford that car

1597
01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:47,920
Speaker 2: right now, twenty Will you be able to afford that

1598
01:23:47,960 --> 01:23:48,559
Speaker 2: car at sixty?

1599
01:23:48,680 --> 01:23:51,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the key. There's forty your gaping there.

1600
01:23:52,240 --> 01:23:56,800
Speaker 2: But see the young guys they think like I always

1601
01:23:56,840 --> 01:24:01,000
Speaker 2: tell them, I say, oh man, we know stuff we like.

1602
01:24:01,120 --> 01:24:03,320
Speaker 2: I ain't trying to hate on no young guy. I'm

1603
01:24:03,360 --> 01:24:05,599
Speaker 2: trying to because I don't want you to be on

1604
01:24:05,640 --> 01:24:08,559
Speaker 2: that list. What list is that eighty percent of professional

1605
01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:11,320
Speaker 2: athletes go broke? I don't want you on that list.

1606
01:24:12,200 --> 01:24:12,439
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1607
01:24:12,479 --> 01:24:18,559
Speaker 2: Well, like, yo, this money, you're twenty, when you fifty five,

1608
01:24:18,840 --> 01:24:20,479
Speaker 2: how much money you're gonna have left.

1609
01:24:21,240 --> 01:24:22,559
Speaker 1: That's the key, especially living.

1610
01:24:22,960 --> 01:24:24,880
Speaker 2: If you live in a lifestyle right now, don't you

1611
01:24:24,920 --> 01:24:26,600
Speaker 2: want to live that lifestyle for the rest of you?

1612
01:24:26,640 --> 01:24:29,400
Speaker 1: Yes, I mean, I don't want to be poor. I've

1613
01:24:29,400 --> 01:24:33,240
Speaker 1: been poor. Hey, I noticed like to eat raccoon, possum, sardines,

1614
01:24:33,320 --> 01:24:37,439
Speaker 1: viin of sausages, pig ears, pigtails, pig feet. I don't

1615
01:24:37,479 --> 01:24:38,000
Speaker 1: want to eat that.

1616
01:24:38,040 --> 01:24:39,840
Speaker 2: No more chuck than list I want to I don't

1617
01:24:39,840 --> 01:24:41,519
Speaker 2: want to have to eat it out of necessity. It

1618
01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:46,920
Speaker 2: was listen, I got to have my pick feet.

1619
01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:51,160
Speaker 1: I do. Oh, yeah, I do. I got pig feefs.

1620
01:24:51,880 --> 01:24:52,280
Speaker 1: I get them.

1621
01:24:52,320 --> 01:24:54,120
Speaker 2: I go to a great soul food place here called

1622
01:24:54,160 --> 01:24:56,920
Speaker 2: K and K. I get me some pig ears, not

1623
01:24:57,000 --> 01:24:59,240
Speaker 2: pig ears, picked feet. Yeah, I got to have my

1624
01:24:59,360 --> 01:24:59,880
Speaker 2: neck bone.

1625
01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:00,280
Speaker 1: You see.

1626
01:25:00,320 --> 01:25:04,080
Speaker 2: I love some make I love octels. That's that's the specialty.

1627
01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:07,679
Speaker 2: I love me some oxtails. Messy, you gotta get some jams,

1628
01:25:07,720 --> 01:25:09,000
Speaker 2: you gotta get some collots.

1629
01:25:09,280 --> 01:25:10,200
Speaker 1: I mean, but.

1630
01:25:11,680 --> 01:25:13,080
Speaker 2: You know, when I was like, I said, I started,

1631
01:25:13,200 --> 01:25:14,519
Speaker 2: and I tell him, I say, man, I've been in

1632
01:25:14,560 --> 01:25:15,240
Speaker 2: your situation.

1633
01:25:15,560 --> 01:25:16,960
Speaker 1: I wasted money on cars.

1634
01:25:17,720 --> 01:25:21,080
Speaker 2: And then you're like, oh, man, because when you waste

1635
01:25:21,120 --> 01:25:24,759
Speaker 2: money on cars, you're really just trying to impress other people. Correct,

1636
01:25:25,320 --> 01:25:27,760
Speaker 2: that's what you're doing. That's like when I when I

1637
01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:29,360
Speaker 2: used to have nice cars, they said, what kind of

1638
01:25:29,400 --> 01:25:31,000
Speaker 2: rims you're gonna put on it? I said, well, you

1639
01:25:31,080 --> 01:25:33,920
Speaker 2: mean they're like put some rims on it. I said,

1640
01:25:34,360 --> 01:25:36,280
Speaker 2: so if I put rims on it, I'm really trying

1641
01:25:36,280 --> 01:25:38,240
Speaker 2: to impress others because I actually can't see the rims

1642
01:25:38,240 --> 01:25:38,920
Speaker 2: when I'm in the car.

1643
01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:40,400
Speaker 1: That's why I him.

1644
01:25:40,400 --> 01:25:42,080
Speaker 2: I said, you know, I can't see the rims when

1645
01:25:42,080 --> 01:25:44,880
Speaker 2: I'm in the car, so I'm really That's what Doc said.

1646
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:47,000
Speaker 2: He said, so you're really trying to impress other people.

1647
01:25:47,600 --> 01:25:49,439
Speaker 2: You don't have to impress people. They already know who

1648
01:25:49,439 --> 01:25:51,960
Speaker 2: the hell you are? Is it because Charles, A lot

1649
01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:55,120
Speaker 2: of us come from nothing home. We didn't have anything,

1650
01:25:55,479 --> 01:25:58,240
Speaker 2: and this is the first opportunity because we don't see

1651
01:25:58,280 --> 01:25:58,960
Speaker 2: the other side.

1652
01:25:58,960 --> 01:26:01,040
Speaker 1: They don't. I don't. I don't think Peyton Manny went

1653
01:26:01,080 --> 01:26:02,200
Speaker 1: out and bought a rolls raw. Yeah.

1654
01:26:02,240 --> 01:26:05,040
Speaker 2: I don't think guys when they when they obviously they

1655
01:26:05,080 --> 01:26:07,599
Speaker 2: have knife over than they Yeah. But I'm saying because

1656
01:26:07,760 --> 01:26:10,000
Speaker 2: all I wanted I want. When I was like, man,

1657
01:26:10,000 --> 01:26:12,439
Speaker 2: I'm going when I saw Miami advice. And I saw

1658
01:26:12,479 --> 01:26:14,439
Speaker 2: that Ferrari, I said, I'm getting me on the and

1659
01:26:14,560 --> 01:26:14,920
Speaker 2: road necks.

1660
01:26:14,920 --> 01:26:15,200
Speaker 1: They talked.

1661
01:26:15,200 --> 01:26:17,320
Speaker 2: I said, I gotta get merried, so I wanted to

1662
01:26:17,400 --> 01:26:20,519
Speaker 2: like that was my well of saying I've made Yeah,

1663
01:26:21,120 --> 01:26:25,240
Speaker 2: and herm Att was, who's somebody I really like in tomorrow?

1664
01:26:25,280 --> 01:26:29,679
Speaker 2: He says, you can have one car, you don't need five.

1665
01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:33,559
Speaker 2: You don't need a bunch of houses. He says, I

1666
01:26:33,600 --> 01:26:37,360
Speaker 2: live by the one model. You need one that's good enough.

1667
01:26:38,080 --> 01:26:40,759
Speaker 2: And uh, like I said, in the young black kids,

1668
01:26:40,760 --> 01:26:44,240
Speaker 2: and I'm talking to them, man, save your money, yes.

1669
01:26:45,160 --> 01:26:47,160
Speaker 2: And another thing, you don't have to take care of

1670
01:26:47,200 --> 01:26:50,400
Speaker 2: all your family and friends. For some reason, black people

1671
01:26:50,479 --> 01:26:54,920
Speaker 2: myself included, I used to be like my financial people

1672
01:26:54,920 --> 01:26:56,960
Speaker 2: told me, why are you taking care of seven eight people?

1673
01:26:57,760 --> 01:27:00,160
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, he said, no, no, no, no, no.

1674
01:27:00,439 --> 01:27:02,639
Speaker 2: You don't have to take care of everybody, right because

1675
01:27:02,680 --> 01:27:06,599
Speaker 2: you're gonna go broke, you know. So now I tell

1676
01:27:06,600 --> 01:27:08,000
Speaker 2: these young kids, yo, man, if you want to do

1677
01:27:08,040 --> 01:27:10,400
Speaker 2: some nice for your mom and dad, you wanna do

1678
01:27:10,439 --> 01:27:12,720
Speaker 2: something nice for a brother or sister, that's fine. They

1679
01:27:12,760 --> 01:27:15,680
Speaker 2: don't have to be on the payroll. You don't like, no,

1680
01:27:15,920 --> 01:27:18,160
Speaker 2: you don't owe them. That was their job to take

1681
01:27:18,200 --> 01:27:19,560
Speaker 2: care of you. But if you want to do some

1682
01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:24,840
Speaker 2: nice for him, that's fine. Grant Hill, his mom rest

1683
01:27:24,880 --> 01:27:27,320
Speaker 2: in peace, gave me the best advice ever, I said,

1684
01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:30,479
Speaker 2: because we're at the Olympics, actually here in Atlanta in

1685
01:27:30,520 --> 01:27:32,320
Speaker 2: ninety six, and her.

1686
01:27:32,200 --> 01:27:34,160
Speaker 1: And Cavin had came down for a couple of games.

1687
01:27:34,160 --> 01:27:38,240
Speaker 2: They said, Chuck, we're gonna be here a couple of

1688
01:27:38,320 --> 01:27:39,680
Speaker 2: days and we got to get back to work. And

1689
01:27:39,720 --> 01:27:42,519
Speaker 2: I says, Grant your sign the first one hundred million

1690
01:27:42,600 --> 01:27:46,679
Speaker 2: dollar contract in the NBA history. She says, sit you down, Charles,

1691
01:27:46,800 --> 01:27:49,320
Speaker 2: I said, miss Hill. He says, Charles, I'm gonna just

1692
01:27:49,360 --> 01:27:52,479
Speaker 2: give you some advice. Do not start taking care of

1693
01:27:52,560 --> 01:27:55,960
Speaker 2: your family and friends, because number one, they're never gonna stop,

1694
01:27:56,360 --> 01:27:58,200
Speaker 2: and it's gonna ruin all your relationships.

1695
01:27:58,479 --> 01:27:59,240
Speaker 1: I said, what do you mean.

1696
01:27:59,280 --> 01:28:02,760
Speaker 2: He says, when you start giving people money, they're never

1697
01:28:02,800 --> 01:28:05,559
Speaker 2: going to ask you for money one time, right, But

1698
01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:08,840
Speaker 2: he said, She said. The second thing is, no matter

1699
01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:11,080
Speaker 2: what you do for them, the first time you tell

1700
01:28:11,120 --> 01:28:15,439
Speaker 2: them no, they hate you. And I said what And

1701
01:28:15,800 --> 01:28:18,599
Speaker 2: I had to learn it. People have been giving money

1702
01:28:18,640 --> 01:28:22,360
Speaker 2: to the first time I've told them no, they're like, no, no, no,

1703
01:28:22,479 --> 01:28:23,599
Speaker 2: we're not friends anymore.

1704
01:28:23,800 --> 01:28:25,559
Speaker 1: That was a tough and painful lesson for me.

1705
01:28:25,800 --> 01:28:29,960
Speaker 2: It absolutely is, because that's why you have to put

1706
01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:32,320
Speaker 2: limits on what you give, because they'll never put limits

1707
01:28:32,320 --> 01:28:32,840
Speaker 2: on what they take.

1708
01:28:32,960 --> 01:28:33,760
Speaker 1: That's exactly right.

1709
01:28:34,040 --> 01:28:36,600
Speaker 2: But it's like that with anything, Charles, you and I

1710
01:28:36,640 --> 01:28:39,360
Speaker 2: can go out here right now, we can sign twenty

1711
01:28:39,439 --> 01:28:42,400
Speaker 2: five thousand autographs. But if we don't sign twenty five

1712
01:28:42,479 --> 01:28:46,800
Speaker 2: thousand and one, Charles Barklay told so. But I had

1713
01:28:46,800 --> 01:28:51,320
Speaker 2: to learn that too. I'll sign some autographs, but I'm like, yo,

1714
01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:56,599
Speaker 2: I'm done. You know, okay, I'm good. It don't affect

1715
01:28:56,600 --> 01:28:59,839
Speaker 2: me anymore because you know, like I said, somebody said earlier,

1716
01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:02,519
Speaker 2: everybody wants to be like yes, because everybody here, guys,

1717
01:29:03,000 --> 01:29:05,040
Speaker 2: I don't care what people think about me. Yes, you do,

1718
01:29:05,080 --> 01:29:09,120
Speaker 2: stop being you care like, especially if it's like if

1719
01:29:09,120 --> 01:29:11,559
Speaker 2: they don't have a reason. Now, that's different, but everybody

1720
01:29:11,600 --> 01:29:14,759
Speaker 2: wants to be like But you can't make everybody happy,

1721
01:29:14,880 --> 01:29:20,479
Speaker 2: can Like I say, after games, I would stop and sign.

1722
01:29:21,040 --> 01:29:24,040
Speaker 2: I had a rude I signed ten and it's twenty people.

1723
01:29:24,880 --> 01:29:27,320
Speaker 2: I said, guys, I gotta go get something neat, I said,

1724
01:29:27,320 --> 01:29:28,120
Speaker 2: I'm gonna sign ten.

1725
01:29:28,320 --> 01:29:28,760
Speaker 1: That's it.

1726
01:29:29,280 --> 01:29:32,040
Speaker 2: And they're saying some stuff when you leave, but you're like, Okay,

1727
01:29:32,720 --> 01:29:35,400
Speaker 2: we're good. I don't feel bad. I signed ten. I

1728
01:29:35,439 --> 01:29:36,960
Speaker 2: did what I was supposed to do. I'm gonna keep

1729
01:29:36,960 --> 01:29:42,160
Speaker 2: it moving. Who's the MVP this year? Well, there's five

1730
01:29:42,240 --> 01:29:44,439
Speaker 2: guys I think you can vote for and feel like

1731
01:29:44,520 --> 01:29:49,760
Speaker 2: you ain't screwing anybody. Shay Gilgers because they got the

1732
01:29:49,800 --> 01:29:56,799
Speaker 2: best record in the West, Joker, Jalen Bronson and Edwards

1733
01:29:58,000 --> 01:30:01,680
Speaker 2: and Luca I think you because the one thing I

1734
01:30:01,720 --> 01:30:05,760
Speaker 2: will say that ESPN annoys me about. First of all,

1735
01:30:06,080 --> 01:30:08,800
Speaker 2: they make up these fake stories about m v P.

1736
01:30:09,280 --> 01:30:12,240
Speaker 2: The m v PS never went to the best player. Never,

1737
01:30:13,040 --> 01:30:16,920
Speaker 2: it goes to the best player on the best team.

1738
01:30:17,479 --> 01:30:21,880
Speaker 2: Because nobody in their right mind thinks Steve Nation is

1739
01:30:21,880 --> 01:30:24,679
Speaker 2: better than Shaq and Kobe. But they had the best

1740
01:30:24,720 --> 01:30:27,840
Speaker 2: record season record when he won MVP, he deserved it.

1741
01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:32,719
Speaker 2: Steve Nasts deserved MVP. Michael Jordan was the best player

1742
01:30:33,400 --> 01:30:36,360
Speaker 2: before he started winning m VPS. But until he started winning,

1743
01:30:36,960 --> 01:30:41,080
Speaker 2: he wasn't gonna get m VPS. So I hate that argument.

1744
01:30:41,280 --> 01:30:43,200
Speaker 2: Like I said, if you vote for any of those guys,

1745
01:30:43,280 --> 01:30:48,960
Speaker 2: I was like, that's fair. Like Dare Rose wanted one

1746
01:30:49,040 --> 01:30:51,320
Speaker 2: year over Lebron, he deserved it. The Bulls had the

1747
01:30:51,360 --> 01:30:53,439
Speaker 2: best record that year. Was he as good a player

1748
01:30:53,479 --> 01:30:58,360
Speaker 2: as Lebron? No, but they had a better record. The

1749
01:30:58,439 --> 01:31:02,280
Speaker 2: same thing with even kd who's a great player. He

1750
01:31:02,400 --> 01:31:05,240
Speaker 2: won MVP. They had the best record that year. But

1751
01:31:05,360 --> 01:31:08,439
Speaker 2: it always normally goes like I said, if you vote

1752
01:31:08,439 --> 01:31:13,519
Speaker 2: for shay A, Luca a joker. But I actually think

1753
01:31:14,240 --> 01:31:18,240
Speaker 2: what Bronson did this year for the Knicks was incredible. Yes,

1754
01:31:18,400 --> 01:31:22,200
Speaker 2: to get them to the second seed without Robinson being

1755
01:31:22,200 --> 01:31:24,040
Speaker 2: out most of the year, with that Rondo most of

1756
01:31:24,080 --> 01:31:26,200
Speaker 2: the year, Og was out for a period of time,

1757
01:31:27,160 --> 01:31:30,880
Speaker 2: But what Luca did, so it's this is you know,

1758
01:31:30,960 --> 01:31:33,320
Speaker 2: I think me and Magic had the closest vote ever.

1759
01:31:34,560 --> 01:31:36,320
Speaker 2: I think this is one going to be the closest

1760
01:31:36,320 --> 01:31:36,679
Speaker 2: one ever.

1761
01:31:37,280 --> 01:31:37,519
Speaker 3: Wow.

1762
01:31:38,439 --> 01:31:46,679
Speaker 1: Who who's your favorite non NBA athlete? That's a great question.

1763
01:31:52,520 --> 01:31:53,719
Speaker 1: It depends on the sport.

1764
01:31:55,160 --> 01:31:57,679
Speaker 2: Like in golf right now, my favorite player is probably

1765
01:31:57,720 --> 01:32:02,439
Speaker 2: Max Homer because he's seems like a great kid and

1766
01:32:03,560 --> 01:32:11,280
Speaker 2: he tries, he doesn't take himself that serious. In football,

1767
01:32:11,720 --> 01:32:18,360
Speaker 2: it's Aaron Donald who just retired. In baseball, it's probably

1768
01:32:18,400 --> 01:32:29,320
Speaker 2: Mike Trout in tennis. Robbie Shelton, I think that's his name, Shelton.

1769
01:32:29,960 --> 01:32:32,160
Speaker 2: I forget, It's just there's another golfer named Shelton. I

1770
01:32:32,240 --> 01:32:35,439
Speaker 2: get him confused sometimes. But I mean, I just love

1771
01:32:35,520 --> 01:32:45,840
Speaker 2: sports because sportsman. I have zero idea or I would

1772
01:32:45,880 --> 01:32:48,120
Speaker 2: be in my life without that stupid little round ball

1773
01:32:49,720 --> 01:32:55,880
Speaker 2: because it is did so much for me. Like I said,

1774
01:32:55,920 --> 01:32:57,320
Speaker 2: you grew up and grew up in a town of

1775
01:32:57,360 --> 01:33:02,080
Speaker 2: a couple thousand people. I have been all over the world.

1776
01:33:03,400 --> 01:33:07,040
Speaker 2: I'm sitting here on Club Shaysha like if it not

1777
01:33:07,080 --> 01:33:11,920
Speaker 2: for that basketball, it has given me every single thing

1778
01:33:12,080 --> 01:33:17,400
Speaker 2: in my life. I'm so lucky and appreciative because I

1779
01:33:17,439 --> 01:33:19,680
Speaker 2: have a like I was able to be ald my

1780
01:33:19,760 --> 01:33:25,439
Speaker 2: mother and grandmother house. I was able to send my

1781
01:33:25,479 --> 01:33:29,639
Speaker 2: brother's kids to college. I have been I mean, I mean,

1782
01:33:29,680 --> 01:33:31,880
Speaker 2: I've been all over the world because of the stupid

1783
01:33:31,880 --> 01:33:36,120
Speaker 2: little basketball. And I can make up something where I

1784
01:33:36,160 --> 01:33:39,120
Speaker 2: would be without basketball, but it probably, if I'm really

1785
01:33:39,120 --> 01:33:42,120
Speaker 2: it won't be damn sure won't be as good. But

1786
01:33:42,160 --> 01:33:43,880
Speaker 2: I don't know if it'll be pretty because I'm not

1787
01:33:43,880 --> 01:33:45,720
Speaker 2: gonna get up here and saying like act like I

1788
01:33:45,880 --> 01:33:49,640
Speaker 2: was a great student, i'd be working somewhere, you know,

1789
01:33:49,720 --> 01:33:51,160
Speaker 2: and you know, doing something with me.

1790
01:33:51,240 --> 01:33:53,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, but man, that ball.

1791
01:33:54,000 --> 01:33:56,320
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm pretty sure you know all the success

1792
01:33:56,360 --> 01:33:59,479
Speaker 2: you've had as a player in an entertainment industry, like.

1793
01:33:59,560 --> 01:34:00,880
Speaker 1: It's all originated from that.

1794
01:34:00,960 --> 01:34:04,840
Speaker 2: Yeah already, yes, and we're so lucky because you know

1795
01:34:04,880 --> 01:34:07,400
Speaker 2: what I tell people all the time, I admire people

1796
01:34:07,400 --> 01:34:10,120
Speaker 2: who got a real job, but I don't want one. No,

1797
01:34:11,280 --> 01:34:13,320
Speaker 2: growing up, growing up, like how we grew up, y'all.

1798
01:34:13,640 --> 01:34:15,160
Speaker 2: It let me know what I didn't want to do

1799
01:34:15,200 --> 01:34:18,400
Speaker 2: as an adult. Tell if it's breaking of a child,

1800
01:34:18,680 --> 01:34:21,160
Speaker 2: can you imagine an adult doing that for twelve fourteen

1801
01:34:21,160 --> 01:34:21,720
Speaker 2: hours a day?

1802
01:34:21,960 --> 01:34:24,080
Speaker 1: And no, and not even making money? No? No.

1803
01:34:24,200 --> 01:34:27,200
Speaker 2: I was like, because if people say, what do you

1804
01:34:27,240 --> 01:34:30,240
Speaker 2: think about sometime during the game, I said, I said,

1805
01:34:30,240 --> 01:34:32,160
Speaker 2: when I get tired, I think about, Man, if you

1806
01:34:32,200 --> 01:34:35,400
Speaker 2: don't get some energy from somewhere, nine to five don't

1807
01:34:35,439 --> 01:34:38,720
Speaker 2: sound good. No, nine to five don't sound good at all.

1808
01:34:39,680 --> 01:34:42,360
Speaker 2: I never want to work nine to five, I mean,

1809
01:34:42,400 --> 01:34:44,240
Speaker 2: I said, I said, I admire people who work now,

1810
01:34:44,400 --> 01:34:46,559
Speaker 2: and especially like when you're seeing somebody doing I shouldn't

1811
01:34:46,600 --> 01:34:48,200
Speaker 2: say that doing somebody's doing the job.

1812
01:34:48,400 --> 01:34:52,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, You're like, damn working two jobs.

1813
01:34:52,720 --> 01:34:55,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, but when I see somebody, like when I'm when

1814
01:34:55,000 --> 01:34:57,080
Speaker 2: I'm in Phoenix is like one hundred and fifteen degrees

1815
01:34:57,240 --> 01:34:59,320
Speaker 2: and I said, are they working outside?

1816
01:34:59,439 --> 01:35:01,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, hell no no.

1817
01:35:02,120 --> 01:35:05,120
Speaker 2: Or you see somebody working in the winter and it's cold.

1818
01:35:05,240 --> 01:35:09,479
Speaker 2: He're like, damn right, I says, WHOA, I'm glad I

1819
01:35:09,520 --> 01:35:12,160
Speaker 2: handled my business. How many more years you think Lebron's

1820
01:35:12,160 --> 01:35:14,479
Speaker 2: gonna play? And can he continue to play? I mean

1821
01:35:14,520 --> 01:35:17,800
Speaker 2: he averaged twenty five, eight and seven and you're twenty one.

1822
01:35:18,280 --> 01:35:19,920
Speaker 1: How many more years can he play?

1823
01:35:20,000 --> 01:35:22,120
Speaker 2: And how many more years can he be played at

1824
01:35:22,120 --> 01:35:23,479
Speaker 2: the level of which he's currently playing.

1825
01:35:23,600 --> 01:35:25,280
Speaker 1: I hope he retires soon.

1826
01:35:27,720 --> 01:35:37,040
Speaker 2: Because I hated the way I retired because I sucked. Nope,

1827
01:35:39,000 --> 01:35:42,679
Speaker 2: Jim Brown is really and he retired because he didn't

1828
01:35:42,720 --> 01:35:44,639
Speaker 2: want to got tired of playing football and he didn't

1829
01:35:45,439 --> 01:35:48,320
Speaker 2: he wanted to act. Yes, he's like because he wasn't

1830
01:35:48,320 --> 01:35:50,719
Speaker 2: making any money. No, he didn't want to just kill itself.

1831
01:35:52,000 --> 01:35:57,439
Speaker 2: There's no It is badly for every jock. It is

1832
01:35:57,479 --> 01:35:59,640
Speaker 2: badly for every job. Getting in is easy. It's to

1833
01:35:59,640 --> 01:36:04,360
Speaker 2: get in, yes, and your ego says you can still

1834
01:36:04,400 --> 01:36:08,559
Speaker 2: do it because I remember telling myself my last two years, Okay,

1835
01:36:10,080 --> 01:36:13,240
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get myself in great shape this summer. I'm

1836
01:36:13,240 --> 01:36:16,080
Speaker 2: gonna have a good year. Then I'm gonna retire. Then

1837
01:36:16,120 --> 01:36:23,000
Speaker 2: I figured out, like playing against air, everybody's good against air.

1838
01:36:24,960 --> 01:36:27,880
Speaker 2: Everybody is great against air. But when you see another,

1839
01:36:28,080 --> 01:36:29,760
Speaker 2: when that twenty five year old is looking at you

1840
01:36:29,880 --> 01:36:37,160
Speaker 2: like licking his lips, You're like, oh, and like there's

1841
01:36:37,200 --> 01:36:41,160
Speaker 2: nothing you can do, cla. When you're working out during

1842
01:36:41,160 --> 01:36:43,720
Speaker 2: the summer and ain't nobody playing defense on you, and

1843
01:36:43,800 --> 01:36:46,360
Speaker 2: you in great shape. And but when you see that

1844
01:36:46,400 --> 01:36:48,439
Speaker 2: twenty five twenty seven year old and he's looking at

1845
01:36:48,479 --> 01:36:51,960
Speaker 2: you like yep, I used to watch you, I'm coming

1846
01:36:51,960 --> 01:36:54,439
Speaker 2: for you, right, and there's nothing you can do about it.

1847
01:36:54,840 --> 01:36:59,679
Speaker 2: But to answer your question, I hope he retires while

1848
01:36:59,760 --> 01:37:04,800
Speaker 2: he can still play, because man, I've been there myself.

1849
01:37:05,439 --> 01:37:08,920
Speaker 2: I saw Patrick ewing his last legs, saw Michael Jordan

1850
01:37:08,960 --> 01:37:11,360
Speaker 2: playing with the Wizards. Yeah, Patrick, I mean, I mean

1851
01:37:11,520 --> 01:37:17,000
Speaker 2: Patrick and Orlando. I was like, that's the greatest player

1852
01:37:17,040 --> 01:37:19,200
Speaker 2: I played against. I don't want to see him doing

1853
01:37:19,200 --> 01:37:24,320
Speaker 2: that with the Wizards. So, uh, I don't want to

1854
01:37:24,360 --> 01:37:29,880
Speaker 2: see any great play when they passed that prime. How

1855
01:37:29,920 --> 01:37:33,519
Speaker 2: do you navigate because you were a great player, you

1856
01:37:33,560 --> 01:37:37,040
Speaker 2: won MVP, you went and you played when two gold medals?

1857
01:37:37,280 --> 01:37:40,160
Speaker 2: How do you navigate y'all when you offer a critique

1858
01:37:40,320 --> 01:37:45,479
Speaker 2: or criticism of a current NBA great and they shoot back, well,

1859
01:37:45,520 --> 01:37:46,599
Speaker 2: you ain't never won anything.

1860
01:37:46,840 --> 01:37:48,599
Speaker 1: What did you do this and what did you do that?

1861
01:37:48,720 --> 01:37:52,080
Speaker 1: How do you navigate that? Well? You ken't to be

1862
01:37:52,120 --> 01:37:53,320
Speaker 1: able to dish it and take it.

1863
01:37:54,040 --> 01:37:57,120
Speaker 2: The one thing I'm really proud of, and I hang

1864
01:37:57,200 --> 01:38:00,960
Speaker 2: my hat on this, I've never been personal with a player.

1865
01:38:02,000 --> 01:38:06,080
Speaker 2: I only stick to basketball. I only stick to basketball.

1866
01:38:06,760 --> 01:38:11,240
Speaker 2: I would never come in on a guy's personal life. Now,

1867
01:38:11,320 --> 01:38:13,080
Speaker 2: sometimes they get in trouble, I have to say something.

1868
01:38:13,120 --> 01:38:15,920
Speaker 2: You have to, but I have I can. I can

1869
01:38:16,000 --> 01:38:20,439
Speaker 2: look at a guy and say, hey man, because I

1870
01:38:20,439 --> 01:38:23,160
Speaker 2: get calls all the time from players and agents. I said,

1871
01:38:23,160 --> 01:38:26,000
Speaker 2: I'll tell you why I said that, And they're like, okay,

1872
01:38:26,360 --> 01:38:29,160
Speaker 2: I said, I said, this is what pissed me off too, Shannon.

1873
01:38:30,920 --> 01:38:32,880
Speaker 1: You know, man, why y'all never call me when I

1874
01:38:32,880 --> 01:38:33,920
Speaker 1: said some positives?

1875
01:38:35,960 --> 01:38:39,160
Speaker 2: I said, wait a minute, I said nine.

1876
01:38:39,000 --> 01:38:40,240
Speaker 1: Great things about you.

1877
01:38:41,840 --> 01:38:45,600
Speaker 2: Why do you never call me when I said some

1878
01:38:45,840 --> 01:38:50,360
Speaker 2: positive And I say one critique and you blow up

1879
01:38:50,400 --> 01:38:53,400
Speaker 2: my phone calling me names. I had to stay with

1880
01:38:53,479 --> 01:38:57,920
Speaker 2: Kobe Bryant one night. So it was a game where

1881
01:38:57,920 --> 01:39:01,320
Speaker 2: he wouldn't shoot right, get feed seven, nothing, Retta, because

1882
01:39:01,360 --> 01:39:02,800
Speaker 2: you guys told me we shoot too much.

1883
01:39:03,439 --> 01:39:04,840
Speaker 1: Well, he was trying to prove a point.

1884
01:39:04,960 --> 01:39:06,840
Speaker 2: Yes, I ain't got no help, so he would He

1885
01:39:06,880 --> 01:39:08,640
Speaker 2: went the whole second half of shot one time and

1886
01:39:08,680 --> 01:39:11,200
Speaker 2: I and I answered him. I said, Ernest said what

1887
01:39:11,240 --> 01:39:14,799
Speaker 2: I said, Man, I'm so disappointed. I'm so disappointed. Kobe.

1888
01:39:15,000 --> 01:39:16,880
Speaker 2: He was trying to prove a point that he didn't

1889
01:39:16,880 --> 01:39:20,400
Speaker 2: have any help. He shot one time in the second half.

1890
01:39:21,160 --> 01:39:23,559
Speaker 2: And you know at that time they were comparing to Michael,

1891
01:39:23,600 --> 01:39:25,679
Speaker 2: I said, Michael when he played against the Celtics.

1892
01:39:25,720 --> 01:39:27,479
Speaker 1: He's like, I got to get six or something. I

1893
01:39:27,560 --> 01:39:28,320
Speaker 1: don't get it. Whatever.

1894
01:39:28,760 --> 01:39:33,080
Speaker 2: He not gonna pout. Kobe starts texting me you mother,

1895
01:39:34,320 --> 01:39:39,200
Speaker 2: you mother. I said, yo, man, I'm doing my job,

1896
01:39:39,360 --> 01:39:44,839
Speaker 2: but you such a talk. We go back and forth

1897
01:39:46,320 --> 01:39:49,920
Speaker 2: for so about this time, it's about one in the morning.

1898
01:39:51,160 --> 01:39:54,080
Speaker 1: We go back and forth for like two hours.

1899
01:39:54,720 --> 01:39:57,800
Speaker 2: I said, yo, man, pick up the phone and call

1900
01:39:57,920 --> 01:40:01,920
Speaker 2: me and stop texting me. And it was it was

1901
01:40:02,000 --> 01:40:03,760
Speaker 2: It was great. We laughed about it later. He was

1902
01:40:03,800 --> 01:40:05,840
Speaker 2: mad at the moment. He understand, I'm just doing my job,

1903
01:40:06,160 --> 01:40:09,320
Speaker 2: but it was so funny. We text each other for

1904
01:40:09,400 --> 01:40:13,720
Speaker 2: two hours and it was just mother talked about and

1905
01:40:13,800 --> 01:40:16,599
Speaker 2: I'm just like, I'm not gonna get get mad at dude.

1906
01:40:16,640 --> 01:40:19,280
Speaker 1: That's a dude, call me pick up the phone.

1907
01:40:19,320 --> 01:40:21,360
Speaker 2: But it was hilarious. We laughed about it later. I'm

1908
01:40:21,360 --> 01:40:23,360
Speaker 2: gonna get you out of here this, Charles. This is

1909
01:40:23,400 --> 01:40:27,920
Speaker 2: the first time in a very long time that people

1910
01:40:28,000 --> 01:40:32,280
Speaker 2: that's in our position have had to comment on the discourse.

1911
01:40:32,439 --> 01:40:34,840
Speaker 2: Sometimes that's what's going on in America. We see the

1912
01:40:34,920 --> 01:40:37,560
Speaker 2: Trayvon Martin, we see the George Floyd, we see what

1913
01:40:37,680 --> 01:40:41,439
Speaker 2: happened in in Wisconsin, and now all of a sudden,

1914
01:40:41,680 --> 01:40:43,920
Speaker 2: you and I we have to comment on that. Where

1915
01:40:43,960 --> 01:40:48,280
Speaker 2: when you played and I played politics, religion, orientation, we

1916
01:40:48,520 --> 01:40:50,600
Speaker 2: talked about that might be maybe mentioned that in the

1917
01:40:50,680 --> 01:40:53,680
Speaker 2: locker room, without the media or without the purview of

1918
01:40:53,920 --> 01:40:57,439
Speaker 2: the public hearing about it. How do you navigate knowing

1919
01:40:57,520 --> 01:41:00,160
Speaker 2: that you came from Alabama, knowing that what go was

1920
01:41:00,240 --> 01:41:03,559
Speaker 2: on in America, that sometimes there's racism, sometimes it's racist,

1921
01:41:04,000 --> 01:41:07,919
Speaker 2: how do you navigate navigate your conversation that you disseminate

1922
01:41:07,960 --> 01:41:11,840
Speaker 2: to the public. That's a really good question because I'm

1923
01:41:11,880 --> 01:41:16,360
Speaker 2: asked that sometime with my boys. The first thing is

1924
01:41:16,640 --> 01:41:21,960
Speaker 2: it's exhausting being black. Yes, it's exhausting being black. Like

1925
01:41:22,720 --> 01:41:26,679
Speaker 2: we're trying to live our lives, be successful. Then Travon

1926
01:41:26,800 --> 01:41:32,760
Speaker 2: Martin happened. We got to talk about it. Unfortunately, that

1927
01:41:32,840 --> 01:41:35,240
Speaker 2: was a really awful situation. Then we get back in

1928
01:41:35,320 --> 01:41:40,680
Speaker 2: our routine. Then George Floyd's happened, we got to talk

1929
01:41:40,720 --> 01:41:41,040
Speaker 2: about it.

1930
01:41:42,760 --> 01:41:42,920
Speaker 1: You know.

1931
01:41:43,320 --> 01:41:44,960
Speaker 2: You know, I was talking to Sam Jackson one time.

1932
01:41:45,000 --> 01:41:46,720
Speaker 2: He's like, he's like, yeah, I'm trying to make a movie.

1933
01:41:46,760 --> 01:41:50,240
Speaker 2: They asked me like three year, like nobody got nominated

1934
01:41:50,280 --> 01:41:56,000
Speaker 2: for an Oscar. So as a black person, something always

1935
01:41:56,160 --> 01:42:01,560
Speaker 2: coming up for me personally is I said, I have

1936
01:42:01,720 --> 01:42:05,559
Speaker 2: to like take a step back because the one thing

1937
01:42:05,600 --> 01:42:07,840
Speaker 2: you can't do is yell and scream, because once you

1938
01:42:07,960 --> 01:42:10,360
Speaker 2: yell and scream, they're like, turn it off, turn it off.

1939
01:42:11,960 --> 01:42:16,640
Speaker 2: And I say, guys, let's have a serious conversation. But

1940
01:42:16,760 --> 01:42:18,599
Speaker 2: I need you to be I need you my girl,

1941
01:42:18,680 --> 01:42:21,120
Speaker 2: Judge Judy, I'm a big judge Judy Fast. She always says,

1942
01:42:21,520 --> 01:42:23,880
Speaker 2: you're listening, but you're not hearing me. I said, I

1943
01:42:23,920 --> 01:42:26,439
Speaker 2: need you to hear me. Don't listen to me, hear me.

1944
01:42:26,760 --> 01:42:29,920
Speaker 2: Those are two different things. Listen to understand. Yes, and

1945
01:42:30,000 --> 01:42:34,240
Speaker 2: I'm not hey and I'm not mad at you, but

1946
01:42:34,320 --> 01:42:38,840
Speaker 2: I need you to understand this is happening. And it's

1947
01:42:38,920 --> 01:42:44,240
Speaker 2: just exhausting being black because every time you're trying to

1948
01:42:44,400 --> 01:42:48,200
Speaker 2: do your thing or just live your life, something racist

1949
01:42:48,439 --> 01:42:52,000
Speaker 2: or racial happens. I try to do this one thing.

1950
01:42:52,840 --> 01:42:55,880
Speaker 2: I try to like, don't ever speak when you're mad.

1951
01:42:57,200 --> 01:42:59,680
Speaker 2: Don't yell and scream, because I know if I yell

1952
01:42:59,680 --> 01:43:02,640
Speaker 2: at you, you're gonna ignore me, You're gonna turn me

1953
01:43:02,680 --> 01:43:06,439
Speaker 2: off for ignore me. So for me and you and

1954
01:43:06,720 --> 01:43:14,479
Speaker 2: Steven and Mike wilbon Man, I need y'all to trust

1955
01:43:14,720 --> 01:43:18,680
Speaker 2: me because sometimes people play the race card when it's

1956
01:43:18,720 --> 01:43:23,080
Speaker 2: not playable, because then you become the guy who's gonna

1957
01:43:23,120 --> 01:43:26,479
Speaker 2: cry wolf all the time. The one thing I promised

1958
01:43:26,520 --> 01:43:30,080
Speaker 2: T and T when I took this job, because I

1959
01:43:30,200 --> 01:43:32,439
Speaker 2: told him the social stuff is really important to me.

1960
01:43:33,160 --> 01:43:34,240
Speaker 1: It's really important to me.

1961
01:43:35,080 --> 01:43:36,599
Speaker 2: I said, I want to beat you over the head

1962
01:43:36,720 --> 01:43:39,479
Speaker 2: with it all the time, because if I beat you

1963
01:43:39,560 --> 01:43:42,160
Speaker 2: over the head with all the time. They're gonna like,

1964
01:43:42,360 --> 01:43:44,840
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna watch pretty soon you become desensitized. Yes,

1965
01:43:44,880 --> 01:43:46,880
Speaker 2: it's not gonna have the same impact. Yeah, I said,

1966
01:43:47,439 --> 01:43:49,720
Speaker 2: if every time something happened, he gonna talk about race

1967
01:43:49,920 --> 01:43:53,280
Speaker 2: or something like that. And I think I've done a

1968
01:43:53,360 --> 01:43:55,840
Speaker 2: good job, I says, I want to talk about this.

1969
01:43:57,160 --> 01:44:00,240
Speaker 2: I want to talk about this, but I think we

1970
01:44:00,400 --> 01:44:01,800
Speaker 2: have to be very selective.

1971
01:44:02,800 --> 01:44:02,960
Speaker 1: I do.

1972
01:44:03,080 --> 01:44:05,439
Speaker 2: I think we have to be very selective because man,

1973
01:44:05,520 --> 01:44:08,400
Speaker 2: racial have them all the time, for sure, all the time.

1974
01:44:09,680 --> 01:44:15,720
Speaker 2: And I want people to see, like Shannon Charles stephen A,

1975
01:44:17,640 --> 01:44:20,479
Speaker 2: they gonna be fair and balanced. That's it, that's all.

1976
01:44:20,800 --> 01:44:22,960
Speaker 2: So that's the only thing I try to do in

1977
01:44:23,040 --> 01:44:26,840
Speaker 2: this situation. Like, yo, man, Chuck, ain't just trying to

1978
01:44:27,040 --> 01:44:31,519
Speaker 2: play race or trying to start up or be a victim,

1979
01:44:32,200 --> 01:44:34,120
Speaker 2: I said, because because the one thing you have to

1980
01:44:34,160 --> 01:44:37,519
Speaker 2: always say, like sometimes black people are wrong. And then

1981
01:44:37,800 --> 01:44:40,120
Speaker 2: I know I'm gonna be an uncle Tom, I'm gonna

1982
01:44:40,120 --> 01:44:43,439
Speaker 2: be a sellout. I said, listen, man, those words don't

1983
01:44:43,479 --> 01:44:47,559
Speaker 2: bother me. We don't have to agree with all black people.

1984
01:44:47,760 --> 01:44:49,360
Speaker 1: We don't, but they think we do.

1985
01:44:49,640 --> 01:44:52,639
Speaker 2: Yes, they think we do. I say, Yo, man, sometimes

1986
01:44:52,680 --> 01:44:55,360
Speaker 2: black people are wrong and it's okay. It's okay, and

1987
01:44:55,400 --> 01:44:57,920
Speaker 2: it's okay to say they're wrong. But but no, but

1988
01:44:58,040 --> 01:45:01,439
Speaker 2: if you're a black person in our physician, look at

1989
01:45:01,439 --> 01:45:04,519
Speaker 2: that Uncle Tom, look at that cell out, I'm like, yo, man,

1990
01:45:05,760 --> 01:45:08,160
Speaker 2: we can be wrong. That goes back to we talked

1991
01:45:08,160 --> 01:45:13,879
Speaker 2: about earlier. I always want to uplift black people correct always.

1992
01:45:15,000 --> 01:45:18,280
Speaker 2: I want like, I'm proud of your success. And I

1993
01:45:18,400 --> 01:45:20,639
Speaker 2: know people gonna hate on you. I know people gonna

1994
01:45:20,640 --> 01:45:23,439
Speaker 2: hate on me, and they're gonna be black. I said,

1995
01:45:23,479 --> 01:45:26,479
Speaker 2: but man, I love to see black people doing good.

1996
01:45:27,560 --> 01:45:28,080
Speaker 1: I love it.

1997
01:45:28,880 --> 01:45:32,240
Speaker 2: But I was like, I'm I'm old enough and I'm

1998
01:45:32,320 --> 01:45:35,200
Speaker 2: around enough to know there's gonna be some hate coming

1999
01:45:35,240 --> 01:45:39,400
Speaker 2: towards me, especially if they disagree with Somebody say, but

2000
01:45:40,680 --> 01:45:42,600
Speaker 2: I want you to win, but I don't want you

2001
01:45:42,640 --> 01:45:45,000
Speaker 2: win more than me. I see if you win more

2002
01:45:45,040 --> 01:45:47,160
Speaker 2: than if you win more than me. Now I got

2003
01:45:47,200 --> 01:45:50,360
Speaker 2: the question your sexuality. I got a you know how

2004
01:45:50,439 --> 01:45:53,559
Speaker 2: black are you? Because bro, I'm like, come on, man,

2005
01:45:53,600 --> 01:45:57,360
Speaker 2: I mean, I criticize white quarterbacks, but if I criticize

2006
01:45:57,400 --> 01:46:00,240
Speaker 2: a black quarterback, man, see, I should have know, oh

2007
01:46:00,320 --> 01:46:03,439
Speaker 2: Buck Buck, Nancy Channe, I know he gonna keep he

2008
01:46:03,520 --> 01:46:04,240
Speaker 2: gonna take care.

2009
01:46:04,080 --> 01:46:05,800
Speaker 3: Of the man.

2010
01:46:06,200 --> 01:46:09,160
Speaker 1: And number one, I've been watching for a long time. Obviously,

2011
01:46:10,160 --> 01:46:13,600
Speaker 1: I never seeing you.

2012
01:46:15,080 --> 01:46:18,160
Speaker 2: Try to get clickbait. Ever, no, I said, Yo, man,

2013
01:46:18,800 --> 01:46:22,280
Speaker 2: I take I take this responsibility because I do know.

2014
01:46:23,080 --> 01:46:25,720
Speaker 2: But I'm not gonna tell black people they write all

2015
01:46:25,760 --> 01:46:29,200
Speaker 2: the time. If you want that you're wrong, You're wrong,

2016
01:46:29,280 --> 01:46:33,080
Speaker 2: I said, Yo, man, No, no, no, no, we can

2017
01:46:33,160 --> 01:46:36,760
Speaker 2: be wrong. But but also on the other hand, when

2018
01:46:36,800 --> 01:46:39,360
Speaker 2: I see something happen to the black black player of

2019
01:46:39,400 --> 01:46:42,160
Speaker 2: the community, I'm gonna step in. You know. I had

2020
01:46:42,200 --> 01:46:45,400
Speaker 2: a you know, it was interesting. There's a couple of

2021
01:46:45,479 --> 01:46:49,600
Speaker 2: things happened recently that I talked to my mentors and

2022
01:46:49,680 --> 01:46:50,280
Speaker 2: friends about.

2023
01:46:50,640 --> 01:46:51,200
Speaker 1: One was O. J.

2024
01:46:51,320 --> 01:47:00,320
Speaker 2: Simpson and one was Michael Porter Jr. And I I said,

2025
01:47:00,800 --> 01:47:04,439
Speaker 2: I'm not sure how to handle this OJA thing. He said,

2026
01:47:04,439 --> 01:47:07,760
Speaker 2: what do you think? I said, Man, I don't have

2027
01:47:07,960 --> 01:47:11,000
Speaker 2: any respect for men who hit women, and I think

2028
01:47:11,040 --> 01:47:16,280
Speaker 2: he killed them two people. I says, what do you

2029
01:47:16,360 --> 01:47:20,880
Speaker 2: think he killed those people or not? I think he did.

2030
01:47:21,720 --> 01:47:25,040
Speaker 2: I said, but I have and I've always said this,

2031
01:47:25,200 --> 01:47:28,800
Speaker 2: and I just say this to you. I have no

2032
01:47:28,960 --> 01:47:34,479
Speaker 2: respect for men who hit women, and I don't want

2033
01:47:34,479 --> 01:47:38,479
Speaker 2: to bash the dude because he got a family and

2034
01:47:38,640 --> 01:47:42,280
Speaker 2: he died, he got kids. And I said, you know what,

2035
01:47:43,560 --> 01:47:48,280
Speaker 2: I'm not even gonna mention it. And I didn't because

2036
01:47:48,280 --> 01:47:50,200
Speaker 2: I said, I don't want to just bash the dude

2037
01:47:50,439 --> 01:47:53,120
Speaker 2: because I can't say anything positive. You know, was he

2038
01:47:53,200 --> 01:47:55,160
Speaker 2: a great job? Yes, but when you go around beating

2039
01:47:55,200 --> 01:47:57,559
Speaker 2: women like that, I just can't. I got no respect

2040
01:47:57,600 --> 01:48:02,439
Speaker 2: for you. And then to Michael Porter Junior, thing wn

2041
01:48:02,479 --> 01:48:05,320
Speaker 2: b A no, no, Michael Porters oh oh by his brother?

2042
01:48:05,520 --> 01:48:06,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, both brothers, broh.

2043
01:48:06,880 --> 01:48:08,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, one got a d UI and I think he

2044
01:48:08,439 --> 01:48:10,280
Speaker 2: killed somebody, right, he did. He killed somebody, and the

2045
01:48:10,360 --> 01:48:12,599
Speaker 2: other brother took the under on himself.

2046
01:48:12,680 --> 01:48:18,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I feel I feel his pain. I feel

2047
01:48:18,400 --> 01:48:19,320
Speaker 1: his parents pain.

2048
01:48:19,600 --> 01:48:23,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. I feel that as a job because it's and

2049
01:48:23,240 --> 01:48:25,160
Speaker 2: this is the one thing I look at sports.

2050
01:48:25,280 --> 01:48:26,680
Speaker 1: It's the greatest fraternity ever.

2051
01:48:27,120 --> 01:48:31,920
Speaker 2: I feel like everybody the NFL, anybody anybody Mains League

2052
01:48:31,920 --> 01:48:34,400
Speaker 2: Baseball and the NHL Hockey. I think they're part of

2053
01:48:34,439 --> 01:48:40,560
Speaker 2: my family, like like they know my experiences. And so

2054
01:48:40,640 --> 01:48:43,280
Speaker 2: I was saying, man, I really want to wish Michael

2055
01:48:43,360 --> 01:48:46,800
Speaker 2: Porter Jr. Let him know that I'm thinking about him.

2056
01:48:46,960 --> 01:48:52,080
Speaker 2: I wish his family the best. And my friend says, yeah, man,

2057
01:48:52,920 --> 01:48:57,080
Speaker 2: that lady did die. And I was like, yeah, you

2058
01:48:57,200 --> 01:49:01,360
Speaker 2: got a point there, Like because if I said, hey, man,

2059
01:49:01,760 --> 01:49:05,759
Speaker 2: I wish you the best, I'm thinking about you because

2060
01:49:05,760 --> 01:49:07,560
Speaker 2: I noticed that it's got to be painful for his

2061
01:49:07,680 --> 01:49:10,160
Speaker 2: family with his brother and his other brother going to jail,

2062
01:49:11,479 --> 01:49:13,479
Speaker 2: for that family that lost their loved one. Yes, And

2063
01:49:13,560 --> 01:49:15,439
Speaker 2: I said, he can go to jail and hug him. Yeah,

2064
01:49:15,479 --> 01:49:17,840
Speaker 2: he can go to his brother's home and hug him. Yeah,

2065
01:49:17,920 --> 01:49:21,080
Speaker 2: they can't go to the graveyard. I said, Chuck, shut

2066
01:49:21,520 --> 01:49:26,840
Speaker 2: up on both accounts. So I always think about because

2067
01:49:26,880 --> 01:49:30,120
Speaker 2: you know, it always makes me laugh because my friend's like, yo, man,

2068
01:49:30,160 --> 01:49:32,679
Speaker 2: you got these people eating out your head. I said,

2069
01:49:32,680 --> 01:49:34,880
Speaker 2: what you talking about? He says, you know the reaction

2070
01:49:35,040 --> 01:49:37,000
Speaker 2: before you say it. I says, of course I do.

2071
01:49:37,720 --> 01:49:40,080
Speaker 2: I know when I'm gonna start a fire. I know it.

2072
01:49:40,600 --> 01:49:42,559
Speaker 2: Because but I had planned on the star because most

2073
01:49:42,600 --> 01:49:44,559
Speaker 2: of the time that goes back to the road model commercial.

2074
01:49:44,600 --> 01:49:45,280
Speaker 1: I made, Yes.

2075
01:49:45,640 --> 01:49:48,960
Speaker 2: Yes, So when I made the commercial, I went to

2076
01:49:49,040 --> 01:49:51,240
Speaker 2: night because I want to make this commercial. I said,

2077
01:49:51,280 --> 01:49:53,640
Speaker 2: They're like, ye, go to your mind. I said no,

2078
01:49:53,880 --> 01:49:56,439
Speaker 2: I said, what I'm noticing is we have too many

2079
01:49:56,520 --> 01:49:59,880
Speaker 2: segregated schools in this country. I said, when I go

2080
01:50:00,120 --> 01:50:02,040
Speaker 2: these white schools, I said, what do y'all want to

2081
01:50:02,080 --> 01:50:06,759
Speaker 2: do when you grow up? They like want to be doctors, lawyers, engineers, teachers.

2082
01:50:07,280 --> 01:50:09,000
Speaker 2: When I go to these black schools, they're like, I

2083
01:50:09,080 --> 01:50:10,880
Speaker 2: want to play in the NFL, I want to play

2084
01:50:10,920 --> 01:50:11,360
Speaker 2: the NBA.

2085
01:50:12,120 --> 01:50:13,840
Speaker 1: And I was doing this when you cause you do

2086
01:50:13,880 --> 01:50:15,160
Speaker 1: a lot of speaking when you're planning.

2087
01:50:15,240 --> 01:50:16,840
Speaker 2: So I was doing this for like four or five years,

2088
01:50:16,880 --> 01:50:18,800
Speaker 2: and I was like, you know, man, these black kids

2089
01:50:18,880 --> 01:50:20,560
Speaker 2: think thinking to only be successful to you after like

2090
01:50:20,720 --> 01:50:23,559
Speaker 2: the entertainment. They don't never think about being doctors, lawyers

2091
01:50:23,560 --> 01:50:27,000
Speaker 2: and engineers and like that. Right, So I talked Nike

2092
01:50:27,080 --> 01:50:29,719
Speaker 2: into doing the commercial and it became a big deal.

2093
01:50:30,000 --> 01:50:33,040
Speaker 2: You did still probably the thing I'm most proud of

2094
01:50:33,160 --> 01:50:34,519
Speaker 2: to this day. I said, because knew it was going

2095
01:50:34,560 --> 01:50:39,679
Speaker 2: to start a fire. And I was like, guys, I'm

2096
01:50:39,720 --> 01:50:42,599
Speaker 2: not trying to skirt responsibility, but I want young black

2097
01:50:42,760 --> 01:50:44,880
Speaker 2: kids to know, like, yo, man, you don't have to

2098
01:50:44,920 --> 01:50:47,240
Speaker 2: play in the NFL, the NBA. We got black doctors,

2099
01:50:47,680 --> 01:50:51,040
Speaker 2: we got black lawyers, we got black engineers. But y'all

2100
01:50:51,200 --> 01:50:54,960
Speaker 2: got these kids thinking like all they see is Shannon Michael,

2101
01:50:55,400 --> 01:50:59,559
Speaker 2: Carl Chuck, David Robinson. The only black people they see

2102
01:50:59,680 --> 01:51:03,680
Speaker 2: are and entertain jay Z. I said, man, they got

2103
01:51:03,760 --> 01:51:05,639
Speaker 2: a better chance of being a doctor than the lawyer

2104
01:51:05,760 --> 01:51:09,920
Speaker 2: playing it. Yes, And I said, I just want to

2105
01:51:10,000 --> 01:51:13,040
Speaker 2: spark the debate and in fairness, and Nike and Naki

2106
01:51:13,160 --> 01:51:16,320
Speaker 2: came back to me later and says, man, we want

2107
01:51:16,360 --> 01:51:20,640
Speaker 2: to thank you for making that commercial. I said, And

2108
01:51:20,760 --> 01:51:23,439
Speaker 2: I said, because ninety of the letters we got were

2109
01:51:24,360 --> 01:51:27,120
Speaker 2: pro I said, well, first of all, I'm not worried

2110
01:51:27,160 --> 01:51:29,920
Speaker 2: about the negative blessings, well, blessed mother. I play in Philly,

2111
01:51:31,360 --> 01:51:34,280
Speaker 2: I said, I thought my name was Charles Barkley, your

2112
01:51:34,320 --> 01:51:38,439
Speaker 2: mother the first two years of my I said, I said, guys,

2113
01:51:38,680 --> 01:51:42,479
Speaker 2: I'm in Philly. I'm used to criticism, but I always

2114
01:51:42,560 --> 01:51:47,679
Speaker 2: have used my platform for a bigger debate. I'm trying

2115
01:51:47,720 --> 01:51:49,040
Speaker 2: to make a difference, you know.

2116
01:51:49,200 --> 01:51:49,639
Speaker 1: One of the things.

2117
01:51:49,680 --> 01:51:51,720
Speaker 2: I'm proud of you and I don't talk about this

2118
01:51:51,760 --> 01:51:53,280
Speaker 2: a lot, and I'm not trying to get praised because

2119
01:51:53,280 --> 01:51:56,679
Speaker 2: I keep it very quiet. So for the last fifteen years,

2120
01:51:56,720 --> 01:51:58,759
Speaker 2: I've been giving a million dollars a year away to charity.

2121
01:51:59,240 --> 01:52:01,040
Speaker 2: And I'm even telling it I just I'm sharing. It's

2122
01:52:01,040 --> 01:52:02,280
Speaker 2: good because I'm going to tell you why I'm proud

2123
01:52:02,320 --> 01:52:05,040
Speaker 2: of you. So I started out in my high school,

2124
01:52:05,320 --> 01:52:11,479
Speaker 2: my college, Wounded Warriors als Parkinson's. But the last eight years,

2125
01:52:12,040 --> 01:52:15,760
Speaker 2: the point I'm getting to, I did HBCUs. Okay, it

2126
01:52:15,920 --> 01:52:16,280
Speaker 2: means a.

2127
01:52:16,360 --> 01:52:18,840
Speaker 1: Great deal to me to be able to do that,

2128
01:52:19,760 --> 01:52:21,040
Speaker 1: and you being a product.

2129
01:52:21,280 --> 01:52:23,120
Speaker 2: When I watch you and Steve and a when y'all

2130
01:52:23,200 --> 01:52:26,880
Speaker 2: go back to y'all HBCUs, I just think it's really

2131
01:52:27,000 --> 01:52:30,840
Speaker 2: important what y'all to do for the hpc US, And

2132
01:52:30,920 --> 01:52:33,400
Speaker 2: it really makes me feel good when I write that

2133
01:52:33,640 --> 01:52:36,599
Speaker 2: check because you know, we got a couple of them

2134
01:52:36,640 --> 01:52:39,639
Speaker 2: here in Atlanta. I think three of them here in Atlanta, Clark,

2135
01:52:39,720 --> 01:52:43,160
Speaker 2: Morehouse and Spelman. But man, I just want to use

2136
01:52:43,280 --> 01:52:47,760
Speaker 2: my platform to keep doing good stuff. But you know,

2137
01:52:48,360 --> 01:52:51,519
Speaker 2: just being a product of HBCU, how far you came,

2138
01:52:51,640 --> 01:52:52,639
Speaker 2: I'm really proud of your.

2139
01:52:52,560 --> 01:52:53,560
Speaker 1: Success, appreciate it.

2140
01:52:53,680 --> 01:52:55,240
Speaker 2: And I think the thing is what that does is

2141
01:52:55,320 --> 01:52:57,880
Speaker 2: that you think about three of the most prominent morning voices,

2142
01:52:58,120 --> 01:53:02,680
Speaker 2: myself and Steven a straight hand which HBCU. He's a

2143
01:53:02,760 --> 01:53:05,960
Speaker 2: Texas Southern, I'm Savannah State, stephen A's Winston Salem, so

2144
01:53:06,120 --> 01:53:08,479
Speaker 2: it showed it goes to show you you don't have

2145
01:53:08,680 --> 01:53:11,000
Speaker 2: to go to Syracuse, you don't have to go to

2146
01:53:11,120 --> 01:53:14,200
Speaker 2: Michigan on one of the pwi's in order to do

2147
01:53:14,439 --> 01:53:17,439
Speaker 2: what we're doing, because we're living proof of that. I

2148
01:53:17,520 --> 01:53:19,680
Speaker 2: think the thing also that role model for me, I

2149
01:53:19,840 --> 01:53:22,439
Speaker 2: was very, very fortunate because every role model I had

2150
01:53:22,600 --> 01:53:25,879
Speaker 2: was in my house, my brother, my grandfather, my grandmother.

2151
01:53:26,200 --> 01:53:29,320
Speaker 2: So I didn't look athletes didn't because I saw them

2152
01:53:29,400 --> 01:53:32,080
Speaker 2: every day. You see somebody jumping up and down on

2153
01:53:32,120 --> 01:53:34,840
Speaker 2: the basketball court and catching the football. You really don't

2154
01:53:34,880 --> 01:53:37,880
Speaker 2: know that person. You know what that person does. I

2155
01:53:38,040 --> 01:53:40,719
Speaker 2: knew what they did. I mean, you know the sport

2156
01:53:40,800 --> 01:53:42,880
Speaker 2: they play. I saw my brother every day, I saw

2157
01:53:42,960 --> 01:53:46,320
Speaker 2: my grandfather and my grandmother. So that's when I followed

2158
01:53:46,320 --> 01:53:49,760
Speaker 2: my brother around. So I wanted to be just like him.

2159
01:53:50,400 --> 01:53:52,760
Speaker 2: And I was like, man, if I could be like

2160
01:53:52,880 --> 01:53:55,120
Speaker 2: him and my sister. It drove my sister crazy, yalls,

2161
01:53:55,439 --> 01:53:57,320
Speaker 2: because she was like, sharing to be your own man,

2162
01:53:57,680 --> 01:53:59,840
Speaker 2: why you want to be like him? But as I

2163
01:53:59,880 --> 01:54:03,160
Speaker 2: got older and I remember telling I said everything I want, everything.

2164
01:54:02,960 --> 01:54:06,400
Speaker 1: I want to be is yeah, well what's crazy about it?

2165
01:54:07,080 --> 01:54:11,000
Speaker 1: And you know this? And unless you've been in pro sports.

2166
01:54:11,040 --> 01:54:14,280
Speaker 1: You don't know this. Man. There's so many poles in

2167
01:54:14,360 --> 01:54:15,160
Speaker 1: our sport.

2168
01:54:16,360 --> 01:54:20,000
Speaker 2: Like, all you gotta do is be nice to the

2169
01:54:20,080 --> 01:54:21,920
Speaker 2: press and they gonna write good stuff about you.

2170
01:54:22,080 --> 01:54:22,240
Speaker 1: Yes.

2171
01:54:22,720 --> 01:54:24,679
Speaker 2: In my I've been in this thing for forty years.

2172
01:54:25,000 --> 01:54:28,760
Speaker 2: Over forty years, some of the worst people I've ever

2173
01:54:28,920 --> 01:54:33,640
Speaker 2: met got the best reputations because they're great with the press. Yes,

2174
01:54:34,480 --> 01:54:36,520
Speaker 2: and some of the some of the people who got

2175
01:54:36,560 --> 01:54:39,040
Speaker 2: the worst reputation of some of the best dudes in

2176
01:54:39,120 --> 01:54:42,720
Speaker 2: the world. And I said, and it's all dictated. If

2177
01:54:42,760 --> 01:54:45,240
Speaker 2: you're nice to reporter us and they got access to you,

2178
01:54:45,920 --> 01:54:48,480
Speaker 2: they gonna be right. Oh, he is the greatest guy.

2179
01:54:48,920 --> 01:54:50,760
Speaker 2: And I tell people, I said, man, you don't know

2180
01:54:50,880 --> 01:54:53,840
Speaker 2: these guys at all, right, And it drives me crazy,

2181
01:54:53,840 --> 01:54:56,760
Speaker 2: I said, I says, if you got it always, I says,

2182
01:54:56,880 --> 01:54:58,520
Speaker 2: there's the reason they're going to keep everything in the

2183
01:54:58,600 --> 01:55:01,480
Speaker 2: locker room. You don't want to know what's going on.

2184
01:55:01,840 --> 01:55:04,120
Speaker 2: I said, Yo, Man, this dude got the best reputation.

2185
01:55:04,320 --> 01:55:06,880
Speaker 2: He's the worst person I've ever been around. Charles, how

2186
01:55:06,960 --> 01:55:08,120
Speaker 2: have you been able to keep.

2187
01:55:09,440 --> 01:55:12,160
Speaker 1: You a husband? Father? How have you ever been How

2188
01:55:12,240 --> 01:55:15,400
Speaker 1: have you been able to keep that so hush. Well,

2189
01:55:15,440 --> 01:55:20,480
Speaker 1: because I I was, it was not a good husband,

2190
01:55:21,560 --> 01:55:24,920
Speaker 1: and I want to be better next time. I do.

2191
01:55:25,480 --> 01:55:32,320
Speaker 2: Uh, I have been uh my daughter, It's been the

2192
01:55:32,400 --> 01:55:37,480
Speaker 2: best thing ever happened to me. But the next stage

2193
01:55:37,520 --> 01:55:39,160
Speaker 2: of my life, I think I got to be better.

2194
01:55:40,160 --> 01:55:44,360
Speaker 2: I do need to be better. But because I didn't know,

2195
01:55:45,720 --> 01:55:47,560
Speaker 2: I didn't know how to be a good husband or father,

2196
01:55:48,640 --> 01:55:51,680
Speaker 2: because you didn't have because your father was away, he

2197
01:55:51,840 --> 01:55:52,520
Speaker 2: wasn't in the home.

2198
01:55:52,880 --> 01:55:58,120
Speaker 1: He wasn't a good father. And I just need to

2199
01:55:58,200 --> 01:56:01,720
Speaker 1: be better, and I hope to be better next time.

2200
01:56:02,200 --> 01:56:05,080
Speaker 2: I would ask you this because this is something you know, Mike,

2201
01:56:07,080 --> 01:56:13,600
Speaker 2: Mike have there's a situation Michael's son, Marcus was I

2202
01:56:13,640 --> 01:56:17,200
Speaker 2: don't know if he currently still is dating Scotty's ex wife. Yeah,

2203
01:56:17,680 --> 01:56:21,760
Speaker 2: how would you feel if a teammate of yours dated

2204
01:56:21,840 --> 01:56:24,920
Speaker 2: your daughter? Would you feel some type of way?

2205
01:56:25,200 --> 01:56:25,400
Speaker 1: Hell?

2206
01:56:25,560 --> 01:56:34,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, hell yeah. I that is a really I feel

2207
01:56:34,600 --> 01:56:40,120
Speaker 2: bad for Michael. I feel bad for Scotty. Yes, that

2208
01:56:40,320 --> 01:56:49,040
Speaker 2: is so messy. I don't like messy because when it's messy,

2209
01:56:49,200 --> 01:56:53,240
Speaker 2: everybody has an opinion on it. Everybody has an opinion,

2210
01:56:54,080 --> 01:56:56,680
Speaker 2: and you know the Internet is not a place for

2211
01:56:56,840 --> 01:57:01,600
Speaker 2: messy no, and you have to understand it's a lot

2212
01:57:01,600 --> 01:57:07,160
Speaker 2: of kids involved, yes, and people are mean. People are mean,

2213
01:57:08,720 --> 01:57:09,839
Speaker 2: and it's unfortunate.

2214
01:57:09,960 --> 01:57:10,120
Speaker 3: You know.

2215
01:57:10,200 --> 01:57:13,080
Speaker 2: I just got onto social media because I didn't want

2216
01:57:13,080 --> 01:57:17,680
Speaker 2: to be around the meanness. And I feel bad for

2217
01:57:17,800 --> 01:57:23,040
Speaker 2: everybody involved because I see all the pictures. I don't

2218
01:57:23,240 --> 01:57:25,840
Speaker 2: do the comment stuff, but I know they're gonna be mean, right,

2219
01:57:27,480 --> 01:57:30,800
Speaker 2: But it's just I just hate messy, and it's just

2220
01:57:31,040 --> 01:57:31,839
Speaker 2: really messy.

2221
01:57:33,360 --> 01:57:34,480
Speaker 1: And they're no winners.

2222
01:57:35,080 --> 01:57:41,280
Speaker 2: There's only losers because obviously Michael and Scotti's relationship can't

2223
01:57:41,280 --> 01:57:45,040
Speaker 2: ever be the same. Did you know was it the

2224
01:57:45,200 --> 01:57:49,040
Speaker 2: last dance when Michael put that that because he wasn't

2225
01:57:49,080 --> 01:57:50,720
Speaker 2: there at the time when Scotty refused to go in

2226
01:57:50,800 --> 01:57:53,560
Speaker 2: the game and he inserted that until the last dance?

2227
01:57:53,840 --> 01:57:56,600
Speaker 2: Did you always know that Scotty and Michael had this

2228
01:57:56,720 --> 01:57:59,880
Speaker 2: kind of continguous relationship because from the outside it like it,

2229
01:58:00,240 --> 01:58:01,240
Speaker 2: It looked pretty good.

2230
01:58:01,720 --> 01:58:04,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was surprised it was so bad.

2231
01:58:04,920 --> 01:58:07,520
Speaker 2: I was surprised, But in Farid, I don't spend a

2232
01:58:07,560 --> 01:58:09,080
Speaker 2: ton of time with those guys together.

2233
01:58:09,280 --> 01:58:12,720
Speaker 1: I spent a lot more time with Michael, a lot

2234
01:58:12,800 --> 01:58:13,720
Speaker 1: more time with Michael.

2235
01:58:15,720 --> 01:58:21,560
Speaker 2: Uh, you know, It's just a sad situation because I

2236
01:58:21,680 --> 01:58:24,760
Speaker 2: think if you not that I know, but you know,

2237
01:58:25,560 --> 01:58:27,760
Speaker 2: if you win a championship with guys, y'all probably have

2238
01:58:27,920 --> 01:58:31,600
Speaker 2: a special bond for yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think

2239
01:58:31,640 --> 01:58:35,720
Speaker 2: if you win six, y'all might as well. Y'all should

2240
01:58:35,720 --> 01:58:39,920
Speaker 2: be brother brother like. So, like I say, you know,

2241
01:58:40,120 --> 01:58:42,480
Speaker 2: if you win one championship, I'm pretty sure every time

2242
01:58:42,600 --> 01:58:45,440
Speaker 2: y'all get together because you got you're gonna have the reunion. Yes,

2243
01:58:45,560 --> 01:58:49,480
Speaker 2: every every five, five year, ten year, fifteen, twenty three.

2244
01:58:49,560 --> 01:58:50,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, but if you.

2245
01:58:50,600 --> 01:58:54,120
Speaker 2: Win six together, y'all should be damn near blood beasts.

2246
01:58:55,040 --> 01:58:58,400
Speaker 2: So that's the thing I most feel bad. There's guys

2247
01:58:58,440 --> 01:59:01,320
Speaker 2: I didn't win with something, but they're some of my

2248
01:59:01,400 --> 01:59:03,680
Speaker 2: best friends. Every time I see them, it's like, man,

2249
01:59:03,760 --> 01:59:06,400
Speaker 2: I got another brother, And like we bumping each other

2250
01:59:06,480 --> 01:59:09,400
Speaker 2: at all the Star Games, maybe the Hall of Fame ceremony,

2251
01:59:09,760 --> 01:59:13,040
Speaker 2: or we just bumping each other. It's like a family reunion.

2252
01:59:13,600 --> 01:59:17,240
Speaker 2: But if I had won six championship with somebody, I

2253
01:59:17,320 --> 01:59:23,600
Speaker 2: would think, Man, we blood brothers for life. When people

2254
01:59:23,680 --> 01:59:26,680
Speaker 2: that do what we do take shots at you, I

2255
01:59:26,760 --> 01:59:28,400
Speaker 2: mean you had to look funny back and forth. You

2256
01:59:28,480 --> 01:59:30,360
Speaker 2: in shak had the funny back and forth. You put

2257
01:59:30,440 --> 01:59:33,480
Speaker 2: Kendrick person Perkins face on the punching back and you

2258
01:59:33,640 --> 01:59:35,680
Speaker 2: you punch it and you get in this shape. I mean,

2259
01:59:35,800 --> 01:59:37,520
Speaker 2: how do you how do you handle that when when

2260
01:59:37,680 --> 01:59:40,800
Speaker 2: guy that do what we do take shots at you. Yeah,

2261
01:59:40,920 --> 01:59:44,640
Speaker 2: it doesn't bother me because because I guess technically we

2262
01:59:44,720 --> 01:59:49,360
Speaker 2: take shots at players. Right. The only problem that I

2263
01:59:49,480 --> 01:59:55,040
Speaker 2: had what Kendrick says, there's nobody in the world watch

2264
01:59:55,120 --> 01:59:59,760
Speaker 2: more basketball than me. Uh, I tell you, Like, and

2265
01:59:59,840 --> 02:00:01,840
Speaker 2: I just come out of March Magic with pissed me

2266
02:00:01,880 --> 02:00:03,920
Speaker 2: off even more because I was watching two or three

2267
02:00:03,960 --> 02:00:07,520
Speaker 2: college basketball games a day. March Maddison really sucks because

2268
02:00:07,520 --> 02:00:11,800
Speaker 2: I'm watching games all day long. But to say another

2269
02:00:11,920 --> 02:00:15,320
Speaker 2: guys don't watch the games because he has a different

2270
02:00:15,360 --> 02:00:19,080
Speaker 2: opinion than you. Yeah. Yeah, And so that's the only

2271
02:00:19,120 --> 02:00:21,760
Speaker 2: thing bothered me. I could say, I say, there's nobody

2272
02:00:21,760 --> 02:00:24,560
Speaker 2: in the world watch more basketball than me. So, but

2273
02:00:24,680 --> 02:00:27,680
Speaker 2: I don't get mad. And the theme is really funny

2274
02:00:27,720 --> 02:00:31,880
Speaker 2: about it. Shack is so sensitive at times because I

2275
02:00:32,000 --> 02:00:36,680
Speaker 2: was gonna like let it go, and he's like, no, no, no,

2276
02:00:37,440 --> 02:00:39,600
Speaker 2: My mama told me growing up, we kill all roaches.

2277
02:00:41,200 --> 02:00:43,640
Speaker 1: And I said, like, so That's how the whole roast

2278
02:00:43,680 --> 02:00:44,360
Speaker 1: thing came up.

2279
02:00:45,080 --> 02:00:48,280
Speaker 2: And so any time anything happened right now, Shaq's like,

2280
02:00:48,320 --> 02:00:52,160
Speaker 2: we're killing roaches, and Shack is so crazy. He made

2281
02:00:52,240 --> 02:00:56,880
Speaker 2: a rap this song. Yeah, but I don't take it

2282
02:00:57,160 --> 02:01:02,640
Speaker 2: like I really the only person I've taken shot. I said, honestly,

2283
02:01:03,080 --> 02:01:10,080
Speaker 2: it's Skipp Bayless, because man, what we do is such

2284
02:01:10,080 --> 02:01:14,280
Speaker 2: an honor. I don't think you can say stuff just

2285
02:01:14,400 --> 02:01:18,880
Speaker 2: to say it, because my whole going back then, I says, man,

2286
02:01:18,920 --> 02:01:24,200
Speaker 2: there's somebody in Montana, Maine, South Dakota if I said

2287
02:01:24,280 --> 02:01:26,720
Speaker 2: something bad about these guys, They're like, well, I saw

2288
02:01:26,760 --> 02:01:30,360
Speaker 2: it on television. It's gotta be true, right, So I'm

2289
02:01:30,440 --> 02:01:35,200
Speaker 2: be like, man, I'm not gonna say anything about a player,

2290
02:01:35,680 --> 02:01:39,480
Speaker 2: especially if it's personal. There's somebody in Montana or South

2291
02:01:39,600 --> 02:01:42,760
Speaker 2: Dakota gonna say, well, you know, Charles Barker said this

2292
02:01:42,920 --> 02:01:47,200
Speaker 2: guy was blah blah blah. So I'm never gonna use

2293
02:01:47,280 --> 02:01:51,520
Speaker 2: my platform for negativity. I'm gonna get you out of

2294
02:01:51,600 --> 02:01:54,520
Speaker 2: him this one. You once said that you've probably lost

2295
02:01:54,520 --> 02:01:57,760
Speaker 2: about twenty million in gambling. Have you quenched that urge

2296
02:01:57,840 --> 02:01:59,680
Speaker 2: to gamble or do you still like to gamble.

2297
02:02:00,280 --> 02:02:03,600
Speaker 1: I love to gamble. I don't like to gambling. You know,

2298
02:02:03,760 --> 02:02:11,000
Speaker 1: I got I got to the point so I would

2299
02:02:11,000 --> 02:02:15,680
Speaker 1: go to Vegas and I'd win a million dollars. Damn me,

2300
02:02:15,760 --> 02:02:16,600
Speaker 1: want you playing ahead?

2301
02:02:18,720 --> 02:02:20,920
Speaker 2: I played twenty five thousand and a half. Okay, yeah,

2302
02:02:21,400 --> 02:02:23,040
Speaker 2: a couple of quick double dolls you can get them,

2303
02:02:23,680 --> 02:02:25,480
Speaker 2: and quick double doll you can get. Getting up out

2304
02:02:25,480 --> 02:02:34,120
Speaker 2: of your pockets. There's probably been seven times that I

2305
02:02:34,240 --> 02:02:39,080
Speaker 2: want a million dollars. Okay, there's probably been twenty five

2306
02:02:39,280 --> 02:02:46,360
Speaker 2: times I've lost a million. Right, So what happened was

2307
02:02:47,240 --> 02:02:50,120
Speaker 2: I quit gambling for two years, and I always take

2308
02:02:50,160 --> 02:02:53,000
Speaker 2: the same group of guys from me and I said, man,

2309
02:02:53,080 --> 02:02:55,440
Speaker 2: I miss gambling. They're like, well, once you start gambling again.

2310
02:02:55,480 --> 02:02:57,160
Speaker 2: I said, well, man, I was getting out of hand.

2311
02:02:57,480 --> 02:03:01,240
Speaker 2: They're like, yo, man, you again, ain't getting out of hand.

2312
02:03:01,280 --> 02:03:04,840
Speaker 2: You're just an idiot. And the one thing I pride

2313
02:03:04,880 --> 02:03:06,920
Speaker 2: myself on around my friends, they can always be honest

2314
02:03:06,960 --> 02:03:08,720
Speaker 2: with me. I said, why you say I'm an idiot?

2315
02:03:09,400 --> 02:03:12,320
Speaker 2: They're like, yo, man, we'll be sitting there, you'll be

2316
02:03:12,440 --> 02:03:14,320
Speaker 2: up three four hundred thousand dollars.

2317
02:03:14,600 --> 02:03:16,640
Speaker 1: Like chuck, let's go.

2318
02:03:17,000 --> 02:03:20,880
Speaker 2: You're good for tonight, right, And in my head I'm saying, no,

2319
02:03:21,120 --> 02:03:23,880
Speaker 2: we're not leaving this month. I win a million dollars, right,

2320
02:03:25,360 --> 02:03:28,800
Speaker 2: And they said, Duke, there's times you've been up six,

2321
02:03:28,880 --> 02:03:33,480
Speaker 2: seven hundred thousand dollars and you won't quit because Gama's

2322
02:03:33,520 --> 02:03:34,560
Speaker 2: really just peaks in Vallas.

2323
02:03:34,720 --> 02:03:34,960
Speaker 3: It is.

2324
02:03:35,200 --> 02:03:37,800
Speaker 2: It's just peaks in vallast It's the stock market, Yes,

2325
02:03:37,960 --> 02:03:42,800
Speaker 2: that's all it is. And they're like, dude, why can't

2326
02:03:42,840 --> 02:03:44,600
Speaker 2: you win three hundred thousand dollars and say, man, we

2327
02:03:44,680 --> 02:03:47,440
Speaker 2: had a great weekend. Why you gotta win a million?

2328
02:03:47,760 --> 02:03:50,680
Speaker 2: And I said what they says, why can't you lose

2329
02:03:50,760 --> 02:03:53,280
Speaker 2: three hundred and say we still had a great weekend?

2330
02:03:55,400 --> 02:03:57,760
Speaker 2: And I says, are you serious?

2331
02:03:57,840 --> 02:03:58,120
Speaker 1: Right now?

2332
02:03:58,160 --> 02:04:00,440
Speaker 2: He says, man, you know I ain't gonna to you.

2333
02:04:02,040 --> 02:04:05,040
Speaker 2: Let's win a couple hundred thousand, have a great weekend,

2334
02:04:06,160 --> 02:04:09,520
Speaker 2: go home or lose two or three hundred. You ain't

2335
02:04:09,520 --> 02:04:11,880
Speaker 2: got to win a million, or you ain't got to

2336
02:04:11,960 --> 02:04:14,840
Speaker 2: chase it and lose a million. And so answer your question.

2337
02:04:14,960 --> 02:04:17,640
Speaker 2: I said, yo, man, we're going to Vegas for the weekend.

2338
02:04:18,360 --> 02:04:20,640
Speaker 2: We're gonna lose a couple hundred thousand or we're gonna

2339
02:04:20,680 --> 02:04:21,840
Speaker 2: win a couple hundred thousand.

2340
02:04:22,080 --> 02:04:23,960
Speaker 1: You know what we're gonna do. We're gonna play golf

2341
02:04:24,000 --> 02:04:25,680
Speaker 1: every day and get drunk every night. Right.

2342
02:04:26,520 --> 02:04:30,360
Speaker 2: And I had to change my mentality because you can

2343
02:04:30,480 --> 02:04:33,680
Speaker 2: never break the casino. No, no, no, they can break here. Yes,

2344
02:04:35,000 --> 02:04:37,480
Speaker 2: and my friends just set me down, says yo, man,

2345
02:04:37,720 --> 02:04:39,920
Speaker 2: Let's just go have fun for the weekend. Let's win

2346
02:04:40,040 --> 02:04:41,800
Speaker 2: some money or lose a little lose a little bit.

2347
02:04:42,320 --> 02:04:45,560
Speaker 2: But yeah, but that's that's what really happened. When I

2348
02:04:45,600 --> 02:04:50,560
Speaker 2: would lose a million, I was so depressed. Not that

2349
02:04:50,720 --> 02:04:54,680
Speaker 2: the money just yeah, that's bush. Yeah, because of the money,

2350
02:04:55,040 --> 02:04:58,640
Speaker 2: but the losing. But the winning never feels as good

2351
02:04:58,760 --> 02:04:59,879
Speaker 2: as the losing hurt.

2352
02:05:01,200 --> 02:05:01,240
Speaker 3: You.

2353
02:05:01,240 --> 02:05:03,240
Speaker 1: You were so excited when you got all that money

2354
02:05:03,320 --> 02:05:04,760
Speaker 1: laying in front of you, but.

2355
02:05:04,880 --> 02:05:07,640
Speaker 2: You're like the press for a week. You're like, damn,

2356
02:05:07,760 --> 02:05:12,320
Speaker 2: I lost. I lost a million dollars. And then you

2357
02:05:12,440 --> 02:05:15,240
Speaker 2: have to send the bill till you financial people and

2358
02:05:15,360 --> 02:05:19,600
Speaker 2: they yell at you and you they're yelling and yelling

2359
02:05:19,640 --> 02:05:22,840
Speaker 2: and yelling, and then I says, hey, y'all better quit

2360
02:05:22,920 --> 02:05:27,600
Speaker 2: yell at me. I'm a fire y'all. And then they're like, okay,

2361
02:05:27,920 --> 02:05:30,880
Speaker 2: we'll pay it. But that's what really happened. I was

2362
02:05:30,960 --> 02:05:33,640
Speaker 2: getting out of hand because, like you just had, your

2363
02:05:33,720 --> 02:05:37,240
Speaker 2: point was so good. No matter how good it feels, winning,

2364
02:05:37,400 --> 02:05:40,360
Speaker 2: when you lose, it just sucks you really doing this?

2365
02:05:40,480 --> 02:05:43,680
Speaker 2: If no, I'm doing my job, my jar I've lost

2366
02:05:44,000 --> 02:05:46,800
Speaker 2: so channel and I got new hips. So you got

2367
02:05:46,840 --> 02:05:48,440
Speaker 2: both of them replaced? Yes, I got both of my

2368
02:05:48,560 --> 02:05:51,400
Speaker 2: replace the best thing ever, like night and day. I

2369
02:05:51,520 --> 02:05:54,680
Speaker 2: hate that I waited so long, me too. So I

2370
02:05:54,840 --> 02:05:57,800
Speaker 2: played it two fifty. I got up to.

2371
02:05:59,480 --> 02:06:06,120
Speaker 1: Two three, three fifty five. Yeah, good, three fifty five. Yeah,

2372
02:06:06,760 --> 02:06:07,200
Speaker 1: I was good.

2373
02:06:07,480 --> 02:06:11,440
Speaker 2: Good eating too, brother, good eating. So I got up

2374
02:06:11,480 --> 02:06:13,960
Speaker 2: to three fifty five and I was with one of

2375
02:06:14,040 --> 02:06:17,360
Speaker 2: my friends. He had lost a lot of weight, and

2376
02:06:17,480 --> 02:06:20,520
Speaker 2: he said, I said, well, how you lose all that weight?

2377
02:06:20,600 --> 02:06:22,160
Speaker 2: He said, yeah, man, I want you to go see

2378
02:06:22,200 --> 02:06:24,920
Speaker 2: my doctor if you're trying to lose weight. And I

2379
02:06:25,040 --> 02:06:27,800
Speaker 2: started doing on jar Ro and I got I went

2380
02:06:27,840 --> 02:06:32,840
Speaker 2: from three fifty five to to to eighty five. Wow,

2381
02:06:32,960 --> 02:06:36,800
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna get to to seventy. Uh, just take

2382
02:06:36,840 --> 02:06:42,080
Speaker 2: a shot. It's unbelievable. And obviously I can't stay on

2383
02:06:42,120 --> 02:06:43,800
Speaker 2: it my whole life. But when I get to to seventy,

2384
02:06:44,880 --> 02:06:47,240
Speaker 2: you can work, then I can work. But like I said,

2385
02:06:47,240 --> 02:06:48,960
Speaker 2: when I got them helped, man, I gained one hundred

2386
02:06:48,960 --> 02:06:52,120
Speaker 2: and five pounds. Yeah, I was up to three fifty five.

2387
02:06:52,880 --> 02:06:55,200
Speaker 2: And now i'm too eighty five and I want to

2388
02:06:55,200 --> 02:06:57,880
Speaker 2: get to to seventy because my doctor is like, you

2389
02:06:57,960 --> 02:06:59,840
Speaker 2: can two seventy. You're gonna be all right, you know,

2390
02:07:00,120 --> 02:07:04,200
Speaker 2: you three hundred three twenty, like you got to worry

2391
02:07:04,240 --> 02:07:06,680
Speaker 2: about diabetes, stroke, hypertension.

2392
02:07:06,120 --> 02:07:09,800
Speaker 1: And things like that. Ain't a whole lot of suff no,

2393
02:07:10,200 --> 02:07:11,480
Speaker 1: he told me. She told me.

2394
02:07:11,480 --> 02:07:13,160
Speaker 2: My name is she sa a She. She ain't no

2395
02:07:13,200 --> 02:07:16,240
Speaker 2: fat old people. Yeah, ain't no fat old people. So

2396
02:07:16,800 --> 02:07:18,360
Speaker 2: I want to get my weight down because you know,

2397
02:07:18,640 --> 02:07:23,960
Speaker 2: you know, it's interesting and difficult, and man, I'm sixty one.

2398
02:07:25,520 --> 02:07:30,360
Speaker 2: It's weird getting older, and I'm glad to get old, right,

2399
02:07:31,000 --> 02:07:34,120
Speaker 2: But yeah, but I want to be healthy. Back to

2400
02:07:34,160 --> 02:07:36,800
Speaker 2: playing golfare all the time. Now I'm back to working out.

2401
02:07:37,320 --> 02:07:39,480
Speaker 2: But that's the main thing, man, I want to be here.

2402
02:07:40,720 --> 02:07:42,760
Speaker 2: Johns Markley, thank you, Thank you.

2403
02:07:42,840 --> 02:07:47,120
Speaker 3: Man. Other all my life, grinding all my life, second fights,

2404
02:07:47,480 --> 02:07:50,400
Speaker 3: crustle paid the price, one slice, got.

2405
02:07:51,880 --> 02:07:52,400
Speaker 1: All my life.

2406
02:07:52,480 --> 02:07:55,839
Speaker 3: I be grinding all my life, all my life, grinning

2407
02:07:55,920 --> 02:07:56,440
Speaker 3: all my life.

2408
02:07:57,120 --> 02:07:59,160
Speaker 1: Second fights. Fruscle paid the price.

2409
02:08:00,040 --> 02:08:01,960
Speaker 4: The slice I to brow, a dice to.

2410
02:08:01,960 --> 02:08:03,080
Speaker 3: Swap all my life.

2411
02:08:03,120 --> 02:08:04,440
Speaker 1: I've been grinding all my life.

2412
02:08:06,560 --> 02:08:08,840
Speaker 3: M hm