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Speaker 3: Problem solved touchdown Tyler Murray. That defender is in multiple pieces.

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Speaker 2: All that was nasty right there right.

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Speaker 1: The latest news and notes from the insiders who cover

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Speaker 4: Bring it on, Break it on.

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Speaker 3: Touchdown Saving Hollin slammed the ground by fooda baker like

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Speaker 2: He came flying into the backfield.

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Speaker 3: I scarting nobody.

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Speaker 1: Here's Paul calvic.

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Speaker 3: So what was the quote that Jonathan Gannon used to

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Speaker 3: usher in week one? What was the quote that he

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Speaker 3: used in front of the team. Now we get measured.

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Speaker 3: I like that sort of has like a the movie

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Speaker 3: three hundred, you know, Leonidas or whoever the main character was, right,

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Speaker 3: take from them everything and give them nothing, something like that.

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Speaker 3: There's some drama in there. Is there not?

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Speaker 4: Am I allowed to take the low hanging fruit?

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Speaker 3: Am I going now we get measured?

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Speaker 4: I'm just surprised Paul's willing to go with that comment

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Speaker 4: is something he enjoys. But anyways, I wouldn't think you

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Speaker 4: want to get measured on, Paul.

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Speaker 3: Sort of like we will. I'm not talking about like

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Speaker 3: Nick's men'swear. I'm not talking about going in with a tailor. Okay,

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Speaker 3: by the way, experience though, oh that was.

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Speaker 4: That was well done. You do a drop right there,

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Speaker 4: and then you don't even sponsor us.

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Speaker 3: And at this point everyone's like, now, wait a minute.

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Speaker 3: Either Danny has a cold or that's someone else. But

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Speaker 3: you know what, both things can be true at the

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Speaker 3: same time. Zach Gershman sitting in for an under the

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Speaker 3: weather or is it an assignment?

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Speaker 2: Danny sirek Hey, Paul, all right, listen, the weather could

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Speaker 2: change the voices, but I can promise you it's Mick Darren.

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Speaker 3: What are we going with. Here's what's going into the

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Speaker 3: official employee portal? Is she on assignment or she under

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Speaker 3: the weather and using a sick.

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Speaker 4: Day working from home?

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Speaker 3: I believe see, Okay, that's good, that's good.

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Speaker 4: Well, well, we'll keep things to it. I mean, I

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Speaker 4: know she's got to be able to defend herself. So

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Speaker 4: we will, we will, we will suspend any anything that

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Speaker 4: could rile her up.

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Speaker 3: See here's another good one. This is where we hold them,

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Speaker 3: This is where we fight, This is where they die.

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Speaker 3: Another great quote from three hundred.

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Speaker 4: Oh I thought you meant from Jonathan Gannon And I'm like, okay,

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Speaker 4: that's a little overboard for a week one?

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Speaker 3: Or is it overboard based on flight plan? That's true,

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Speaker 3: and what he's looking for that's true. Maybe he borrowed

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Speaker 3: from three hundred. I haven't seen it in a long time.

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Speaker 3: Maybe maybe the old Killer's line came out of a movie.

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure.

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Speaker 2: Listen that the way you're just talking about is just

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Speaker 2: give me a wal to run through.

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Speaker 3: At this point, it's right, give Zach a club and

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Speaker 3: there's an open practice field right behind you. You can

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, well, I can only imagine how he felt.

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Speaker 3: So I mean, come on, play along here. What do

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Speaker 3: you think he meant by that? Now we get measured?

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, it's funny because I've been asking, like

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Speaker 4: I asked the coordinators a bunch Tuesday about like your

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Speaker 4: thought process It's funny. Even coaches who are around these

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Speaker 4: what they're gonna see on Sunday. It's impossible. Nobody really knows,

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Speaker 4: especially in the NFL, where it feels like there's so

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Speaker 4: much chance for things being upside down those first couple

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Speaker 4: Is now is where we really get to see where

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Speaker 3: Mean, here's some more low hanging fruit. Zach Gershman, Do

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Speaker 3: you know what Paris Johnson Junior is gonna look like

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Speaker 3: By the way, is the depth chart out?

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Speaker 4: Yes, Clark starting corners, and so Michael Wilson three rookies

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Speaker 4: and according to the depth chart, Paris Johnson, Keijo Clark,

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Speaker 3: Ding, ding and more ding. How about that?

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Speaker 4: How about it been a minute since we've seen a

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Speaker 3: Paul, It's true, Seriously, how far do you have to

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Speaker 4: With three rookies in the starting lineup? I would, I'm

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Speaker 4: I'm going to look that up after we're done recording,

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Speaker 4: But it's gotta be.

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Speaker 3: I vote Dave McGinnis wizenon absolutely Now Arian Vince Tobin hmmm,

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Speaker 3: A little bit, A little bit. I mean, he's the

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Speaker 3: Speaking of and speaking of looking up our jim A.

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Speaker 3: Mahundro did a little homework here, went back into the archives.

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Speaker 3: So when you talk about Cardinals at Washington, do you

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Speaker 3: realize that Adrian Wilson's first career picked six, two thousand

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Speaker 4: Wait, we're still talking about Adrian Wilson around here.

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Speaker 3: He left us, which sorry, also happened to be Pat

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Speaker 3: for Dave Pash as Voice of the Cardinals. Zek where'd

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Speaker 3: you go to school?

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Speaker 2: By the way, I went to Penn State for college.

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Speaker 3: I want to make sure you didn't go to Syracuse

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Speaker 3: because now that my alma mater is joining Syracuse in

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Speaker 2: I will say this, Syracuse was my dream school. My

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Speaker 2: feel the same way about me, which is perfectly fine.

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Speaker 2: I went towards the blue and white. But to Paul,

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Speaker 2: just to put in perspective, two thousand and one was

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Speaker 2: the year I was born, two weeks after nine to

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Speaker 2: eleven September twenty fifth, which is coming up, so you

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Speaker 3: Wait a minute, maybe Danny is here after all.

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Speaker 4: No, because at least she was alive during nine to eleven.

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Speaker 4: When I found out he hadn't even Like now we're

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Speaker 3: Yeah, good night, everybody, that's it. That'll do it for

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Speaker 3: this edition of Cardinals the ground drive safely. I'll brought

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Speaker 3: you by Pacific Office Automation. My goodness. Okay, so we

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Speaker 3: talking about what we expect what this will look like,

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Speaker 3: because nobody really knows once they hit the field. What

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Speaker 3: exactly do you want to achieve this year? If being

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Speaker 3: realistic that the playoffs aren't feasible, doable, achievable, then okay,

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Speaker 3: what do you want to achieve? And I threw out

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Speaker 3: their obligatory You know Dan Campbell Detroit Lions. What Josh

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Speaker 3: Woods said to us early in training camp. In fact,

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Speaker 3: I have the quote right here. Thanks for asking, Zach,

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Speaker 3: because I do have it right here. I wait, said,

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Speaker 3: do you see any similarities with Dan Campbell when he

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Speaker 3: showed up in Detroit and the Arizona? He said yes,

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Speaker 3: and he cut me off min sentence. He said absolutely,

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Speaker 3: and then he went on and he explained, there's lots

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Speaker 3: of no nonsense here without the micro managing. Said Josh

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Speaker 3: Woods about Jonathan Gannon and this staff. He says, they

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Speaker 3: put responsibility on the players. They create accountability. It's equal opportunity.

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Speaker 3: There's no smoking mirrors. They're all about trust with the players,

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Speaker 3: and when you can trust the coaches, it becomes easy

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Speaker 3: to play for him. That was his quote. Lorenzo Alexander

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Speaker 3: they got rid of Sammy Watkins. He said, we made

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Speaker 3: the playoffs that year. So wait a minute, who is

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Speaker 4: Is that the year that the Cardinals went up there

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Speaker 4: in Week three and got their doors blown off with

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Speaker 3: Remember two thousand and sixteen or seventeen.

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Speaker 4: I think it would have been sixtexteen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So I just thought that was interesting, and he

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Speaker 4: I'd love to see what that Buffalo lineup look like.

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Speaker 4: I understand those who doubt this team completely. I'm not

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Speaker 4: We're obviously in twenty sixteen. I don't think the Cardinals

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Speaker 3: I think you're right. So, and that was the year

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Speaker 4: It didn't help when they didn't beat the All at

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Speaker 3: It didn't necessarily set a tone, but it did reveal

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Speaker 3: And you know what, I'll go old line in general.

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Speaker 3: Okay, the Broncos, I said one. I don't Carolina Tennessee

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Speaker 3: If only the forty nine ers would have taken justin

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Speaker 3: he brought it up, Zach. You know how it works

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Speaker 3: They turned for home, right, and the horse racing announcer yells.

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Speaker 2: Out and dun the stretch.

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Speaker 3: That come. Well, finally we're coming down the stretch in

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Speaker 4: We better be right.

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Speaker 3: I mean, if you're going to do some research and

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Speaker 4: I am going to say, I'm not going I can't

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Speaker 4: go through the entirety of the thing. But our new columnist,

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Speaker 4: Kent Summers, his lead note in his column on Wednesday

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Speaker 3: In fact, we'll be on Jonathan Ennon's TV show on

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Speaker 3: He's come full circle. He was asking Ron Wolfley questions

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Speaker 4: We're not old or anything.

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Speaker 3: You're old enough, yes to know things, Darren. That that's

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Speaker 4: There you go.

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Speaker 3: But come on, let's let's be honest, show a hands here.

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Speaker 3: It's Josh Dobbs's job to lose, right, everybody we agree

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Speaker 4: I think that's fair, and I do you know, I

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Speaker 3: But couldn't you have responded to the loudmouth talk show

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Speaker 4: absolutely do not believe that you should be making a change.

438
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Speaker 4: I mean, goodness, gracious, they didn't bench Kyler after the

439
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Speaker 4: first half of his first game, Thank goodness.

440
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Speaker 3: That was the famous Cliff Kingsbury quote. I thought I

441
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Speaker 3: was gonna get fired at halftime, and I was wondering

442
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Speaker 3: about that four million dollar house I bought in Paradise

443
00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:34,320
Speaker 3: Valley at that point, going oh boy, I'm not making

444
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Speaker 3: a past halftime in the first game that was. But look,

445
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Speaker 3: if it all boils down to the known and the unknown,

446
00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:43,960
Speaker 3: could I argue that it is unknown what sort of

447
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Speaker 3: mastery of this offense Josh Dobbs will have, granted, but

448
00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:51,320
Speaker 3: it is known he has infinitely more experience, more NFL

449
00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:55,800
Speaker 3: experience than at Clayton Tune. What we saw in Minnesota

450
00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:58,679
Speaker 3: on the safety blitz from his right while he was

451
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Speaker 3: only looking left into his stripsack at his own five

452
00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:05,640
Speaker 3: and a turnover, I'm pretty confident that's not gonna happen

453
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Speaker 3: to Josh Dobbs. He's not gonna be left naked that way,

454
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Speaker 3: just sort of exposed by his inexperience. Now, there might

455
00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:15,600
Speaker 3: be some times where to use a Josh Rosen term,

456
00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:19,879
Speaker 3: he's buffering and maybe he's wondering, Okay, where is my

457
00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:23,359
Speaker 3: second and third option on this particular play call? And

458
00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:27,080
Speaker 3: am I in sync with my receivers? Especially to your point, Zach,

459
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Speaker 3: when you get some crazy Jack del Rio. You know,

460
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Speaker 3: stuff out there that you didn't see on film. You

461
00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:34,920
Speaker 3: know that he created in the off season. Because guys

462
00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,320
Speaker 3: love to break out innovative new stuff in Week one.

463
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Speaker 3: I get it, and really, over the entire first month

464
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Speaker 3: they save stuff and they splice it in. But I'm

465
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Speaker 3: pretty confident that a Josh Dobbs, if you take out

466
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Speaker 3: just a portion of the playbook, which is what you

467
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Speaker 3: do for every game plan, you're not using the whole playbook.

468
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Speaker 3: You're just using a fraction of it. Plus Now and

469
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Speaker 3: this might be the key. You combine it with a

470
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Speaker 3: legitimately balanced offense, with the run game cram a vertical. Now,

471
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Speaker 3: all of a sudden, you're taking some of the onus

472
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Speaker 3: off the quarterback. This isn't going to be like a

473
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Speaker 3: year ago where Trace McSorley comes in, he's a third

474
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Speaker 3: string quarterback on Sunday Christmas Night against Tom Brady and

475
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Speaker 3: he's asked to throw it forty five times and James

476
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Speaker 3: Couner only gets fifteen carries. It's gonna be a lot

477
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Speaker 3: more balanced than that, I believe. And if it's going

478
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Speaker 3: to be fourth and one, you're not going to see

479
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Speaker 3: the quarterback in the gun throwing a bubble screen. I mean,

480
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Speaker 3: there's gonna be much more o a straight ahead run game.

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Speaker 4: Zach, you got anything to say about Trace.

482
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Speaker 2: McSorley, Trace mix or there's a whole song right now,

483
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Speaker 2: trust me, I've Maddy Fresh is the one who wrote

484
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Speaker 2: the song.

485
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Speaker 3: That's right. Yeah, Okay, that's all right.

486
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Speaker 2: But I will say the Penn State community was entirely

487
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Speaker 2: watching that that Christmas night game against the Buccaneers because

488
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Speaker 2: they just want to see if Trace was able to

489
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Speaker 2: get an opportunity from it. He did, uh, And now

490
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Speaker 2: I believe he got cut from the New England Patriots

491
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Speaker 2: this past season.

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Speaker 3: So might be on their practice school right now.

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Speaker 2: He might be. Yeah, but he's a nice guy though

494
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Speaker 2: I met him. I met him once, mam twice. Really

495
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Speaker 2: nice guy.

496
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Speaker 3: But I guess my point is, if you need a

497
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Speaker 3: quarter and I hate to use the words manage the game,

498
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Speaker 3: but if you just need a quarterback where you can

499
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Speaker 3: play it safe, what does every player do to get

500
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:12,399
Speaker 3: playing time earns the trust of the coaches? Right Lorenz

501
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,000
Speaker 3: au Xander was talking about that as an undrafted guy,

502
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 3: he had to earn the trust of his special teams

503
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Speaker 3: coach just to get a break in the NFL, get

504
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Speaker 3: a foothold, because guess what, the coach's job is on

505
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Speaker 3: the line too. And if some player runs out there

506
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Speaker 3: and he makes mental air after men or who does

507
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:32,800
Speaker 3: that reflect on his coach? So with that in mind,

508
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Speaker 3: I'm guessing, you know, Josh Dobbs is the better choice

509
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Speaker 3: right here, right now.

510
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Speaker 4: What what would you say would make Tune the better choice.

511
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Speaker 4: I'm not saying we're in that spot, but what would

512
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Speaker 4: make Tune the better choice?

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Speaker 3: I'd say his accuracy. I'd haven't seen Dobbs a whole

514
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Speaker 3: bunch of them. Nobody has. He only has two career

515
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Speaker 3: starts that are in the last year. And was I

516
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,160
Speaker 3: watching Tennessee Titans football and we was seventeen and eighteen

517
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Speaker 3: last year, thankfully, you know. And he had terrible Tannel.

518
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Speaker 4: Around that Jacksonville game. It was entertaining.

519
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Speaker 3: Okay, Tune's accuracy I think would play in a savor.

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Speaker 4: Although it's funny because all these fans kept saying they

521
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Speaker 4: didn't think Tune was accurate enough in preseason.

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Speaker 3: If you saw him of those joy practices in Minnesota,

523
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Speaker 3: you know, I'm standing there.

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Speaker 4: This is what I read I'm not agreeing.

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Speaker 3: I would say the other thing in his favor is

526
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Speaker 3: maybe the philosophy slash mentality of the coaching staff right now,

527
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Speaker 3: and that is, if it's a close competition between a

528
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Speaker 3: rookie and a vette, guess what the rookie wins, Paris

529
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Speaker 3: Johnson junior starter, Key Troll, Clark starter, Michael Wilson starter.

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Speaker 3: If it's close, they're going with the future, and the

531
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Speaker 3: future is now in the form of a young guy,

532
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Speaker 3: that might be a reason they would go with the

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Speaker 3: Clayton tune.

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Speaker 2: I will also say that one thing that really stood

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Speaker 2: out to me from that Minnesota game. We talked about

536
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Speaker 2: the strip sack fumble inside the five. The next play

537
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Speaker 2: when he bounced back and through that dard too, I

538
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Speaker 2: believe it was Davion Davis or it was Greg Dortch

539
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Speaker 2: on that on that post route door. It's a sideline

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Speaker 2: that the coaching staff spoke very highly of that being

541
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Speaker 2: able to have that short term memory and and toss

542
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Speaker 2: the ball, you know, slinging all the way downfield like

543
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Speaker 2: he did. So that's something I think definitely should not

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Speaker 2: be understated enough because of the fact that that that

545
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Speaker 2: that's short of that sort of short term memory could

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Speaker 2: go a really long way.

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Speaker 3: At some point, if Clayton Tune is gonna have a

548
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Speaker 3: future in the NFL, he's gonna have to get regular

549
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Speaker 3: season reps. No, yeah, now would it be hoove him

550
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Speaker 3: to watch some games from the sideline. We had this

551
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Speaker 3: argument last week, brock perty would he have been just

552
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Speaker 3: as good in week one as he was starting week twelve?

553
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Speaker 3: Nobody knows if he would have started week one, I

554
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Speaker 3: don't think he would have been a mental basket case.

555
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Speaker 3: If he struggled out of the gate, it wouldn't have

556
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Speaker 3: been as Sam Darnold the whole I see ghosts right,

557
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Speaker 3: that whole deal there. I think Claytontune's mentally tough enough

558
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Speaker 3: to your point, Zach, he rebounded with that strike downfield

559
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Speaker 3: after the turnovers, so you know. But maybe my favorite

560
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Speaker 3: a quote from Dobbs so far is when when cam

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Speaker 3: Cox asked him whether being a rocket scientist helps him

562
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Speaker 3: play quarterback in the NFL, and he said yes. He

563
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Speaker 3: said absolutely, because he called quarterback quote the ultimate problem

564
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Speaker 3: solver position in all of sports.

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Speaker 4: Why wouldn't. I don't understand why being smarter would ever

566
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Speaker 4: be a negative.

567
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Speaker 3: But is there a correlation between being having this high

568
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Speaker 3: IQ in aerospace, well in playing quarterback.

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Speaker 4: I did think about this. Look, do I think it

570
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Speaker 4: would help him digest the playbook better or even analyze

571
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Speaker 4: the playbook better? Yeah? That doesn't necessarily mean when you've

572
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Speaker 4: got six two hundred and ninety five pounders chasing you

573
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Speaker 4: down during a play, you're gonna be able to make

574
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Speaker 4: the throw in the window that you have.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I mean Andrew Luckett, Stanford write Photographic Memory

576
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Speaker 3: straight a student at Stanford in the architectural like department,

577
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Speaker 3: like a really hard program.

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Speaker 4: Just so you know, Zach, it's rare when Paul was

579
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Speaker 4: willing to say nice things about a Stanford guy.

580
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Speaker 3: Usually it's Stanford, just the elitists that are out on

581
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Speaker 3: the farm, down on the farm as they call it,

582
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Speaker 3: that campus. I feel bad for him now because we're

583
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Speaker 3: in the same boat, because we're out there Easter's blown

584
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Speaker 3: in the wind with no conference. And by the way,

585
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:17,199
Speaker 3: I certainly hope there is an out to get out

586
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 3: of the ACEC and we're only getting a thirty percent share,

587
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,160
Speaker 3: But that's neither here nor there. As for the quarterback position,

588
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 3: and luck when I hear when you talk about the IQ.

589
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 3: You can't tell me that Andrew luck is a rookie.

590
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Speaker 3: It didn't help him the high.

591
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Speaker 4: Oh he did, but he was also a physic gifted,

592
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 4: physical football player, right.

593
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Speaker 3: I mean his forty time wasn't that far behind Cam Newton.

594
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Speaker 4: That same year, Albert Einstein was not going to be

595
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Speaker 4: a successful NFL quarterback.

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Speaker 2: And we don't know that's.

597
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Speaker 3: I mean Oppenheimer. I also think of the stories that

598
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Speaker 3: Kurt Warner used to tell about Brett Farr when he

599
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,160
Speaker 3: was in Packers camp. Kurt Warner, He's like, this guy's

600
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 3: he redefined playing by the seat of your pants. Fret

601
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Speaker 3: Farr put it that way.

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Speaker 4: And that's that's the other thing is he wasn't leading

603
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Speaker 4: the team meetings. Kurt definitely was into studying and being

604
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Speaker 4: always prepared, and yet he was at least briefly around

605
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Speaker 4: a guy who didn't prepare like he was supposed to

606
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Speaker 4: and still had a lot of success.

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Speaker 3: My last point on Clayton too, and I asked this

608
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Speaker 3: question of the head coach at one of the end

609
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Speaker 3: of his recent press conferences, the fact that he got

610
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Speaker 3: blitzed in the opener right against Denver Vance. Joseph brought

611
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Speaker 3: it Steve Spagnolo dialed up some stuff. Brian Flor has

612
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Speaker 3: definitely brought a lot of stuff, especially in those joint

613
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Speaker 3: practices where he was going against the starters and getting

614
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Speaker 3: some a lot of regular season looks. And Gannon cut

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Speaker 3: me off. Note to self, I think some of my

616
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Speaker 3: questions are too long because I keep getting cut off

617
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Speaker 3: by guys. And so Gannon went and said, he said, yeah,

618
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Speaker 3: he did get a lot more of a regular season

619
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Speaker 3: look in the preseason than you typically would that there

620
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Speaker 3: wasn't nearly as much vanilla d as you see a

621
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Speaker 3: lot of years. So to your point, Zach, maybe, just

622
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Speaker 3: maybe that might have prepared a Clayton tune a little

623
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Speaker 3: farther down that learning curve than they would have anticipated.

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Speaker 3: Does that give him a shot? You know, once again,

625
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 3: we're still fanning the flames of this quarterback controversy. Six months.

626
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 4: You're past all your play by play.

627
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 3: That's true. That's true, we are into the regular season.

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Speaker 2: But I will say also one point about Paul Soeuth. Note,

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Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure JG apologized though for cutting you off

630
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Speaker 2: on that one.

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Speaker 3: No, he was, you know, he's too far into his answer.

632
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Speaker 3: There was no going back at that point. No chance.

633
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 3: All right, So, speaking of quarterbacks, Kyler Murray team captain

634
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 3: story or not a story? Headline or not a headline,

635
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 3: because it seemed to have created a little bit of

636
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Speaker 3: a buzz, a little bit, did a little bit.

637
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Speaker 4: I think it was a story. However, I think it's

638
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 4: a bigger story had he not been named captain. This

639
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 4: is his fourth straight year of being a captain and.

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Speaker 3: Two good points. I did not realize yeah.

641
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Speaker 4: And so and I heard this talked about on some

642
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 4: Arizona sports morning radio as well. But I was thinking

643
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 4: the same thing, like, if he's not named the captain,

644
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Speaker 4: I'm thinking everybody's all over there. Oh okay, especially after

645
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 4: last weekend because the captains came out literally like two

646
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Speaker 4: days after Caleb Williams last played, and it felt like

647
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 4: over the college football weekend that all reached a peak

648
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Speaker 4: of like, oh, the Cardinals just have to like put

649
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Speaker 4: Kyler in bubble wrap and just wait to move on

650
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Speaker 4: from him and go draft a quarterback. And yet hear

651
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Speaker 4: this came out, So I understand why why people ask,

652
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Speaker 4: you know, why would this be a story or is

653
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Speaker 4: this a story? But I do think it would have

654
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Speaker 4: been a bigger story had he not been named captain,

655
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 4: And I do think it also underscores the idea that yes,

656
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 4: you could name him captain and think he's not gonna

657
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 4: play all season, but you're probably not doing that. I

658
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 4: do think he's playing this season for this team for sure.

659
00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 3: I mean, name a single franchise quarterback, quarterback that makes

660
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 3: thirty forty fifty million per year that's not a team captain.

661
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 3: And if they're not, that is a headline. You're absolutely right,

662
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 3: no matter who it is, all thirty two teams, there's

663
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 3: a legit franchise, highly paid starting quarterback who's not a

664
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 3: team captain. That blows up Kyler.

665
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 4: Kyler wasn't a captain his rookie year, and I remember thinking,

666
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 4: I guess it wasn't surprising Fitz was still here. Yeah

667
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 4: he's a rookie, but it did make me pause. That

668
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 4: being said, having been around this long enough, I always

669
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 4: thought it was kind of goofy if a rookie got

670
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,239
Speaker 4: a captain ship, even if he was a quarterback. And

671
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 4: I know that. Like I saw the other day c J.

672
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 4: Stroud is a captain for the Texans and he's a rookie.

673
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 4: I'm like, I find it. I don't have a problem

674
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 4: with a rookie quarterback not getting a captain c even

675
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 4: if he's starting, even if he's a high pick. I

676
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 4: don't know if Bryce Young is a is a captain,

677
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 4: but it just I don't understand how they could be captains.

678
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 4: But that's just me get off my long eye.

679
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 3: But both Jonathan I'm laughing at that. DJ Humphries both

680
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 3: said he earned it, which I thought was interesting. That

681
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 3: wasn't the question. They didn't really ask, That wasn't but

682
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 3: they said it on their own. Kyler earned it. And

683
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 3: by earning it, they weren't talking about his Rookie of the

684
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 3: Year award or his two Pro Bowls. They were talking

685
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 3: about this offseason. And it does seem genuine, doesn't it,

686
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 3: Zach what everyone talks about, how much respect he garnered

687
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 3: for being there virtually every single day rehabbit.

688
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 2: It does. And I believe, also to Darren's point, I

689
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 2: do believe that Kyler is going to play this season

690
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,719
Speaker 2: because he knows what He's not naive. He knows what

691
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 2: people are saying around the country, around the NFL landscape

692
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 2: about the type of talent that Caleb Williams if he

693
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 2: does decide to enter the NFL Draft what he could

694
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 2: potentially be, and they're already kind of slotting the Cardinals

695
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 2: in whatever draft position that they want to slot in

696
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 2: the national landscape. So I do think Kyler's going to play.

697
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 2: But as much as it's about what he does on

698
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 2: the field, as you mentioned, Paul, it's what he does

699
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 2: off the field. Josh Dobbs talked a lot about how

700
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 2: he came in on a Sunday and Kyler Murray was

701
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 2: working out in the facility at six point thirty to

702
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 2: see that type of leader, and JG said, anything everything

703
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 2: that you want in a leader, Kyler Murray is brought

704
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 2: to the table. That has nothing to do with what

705
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 2: is produced out onto the field. So for those that

706
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 2: are saying that because it because he was named a captain,

707
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 2: now that's going to correlate to him returning on week

708
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 2: five when he's first able to do so, I wouldn't

709
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 2: necessarily say that either or that it has any sort

710
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 2: of relation to one another. But the what he's putting

711
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 2: into the locker room and how the coaches have spoken

712
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 2: about how vocal he's been in these team meetings, that

713
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 2: is the that's the signs, and that's what exemplifies what

714
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 2: a leader and a captain really should be.

715
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 3: Here's the other thing. The head coach named the captains,

716
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 3: and the head coach, by all accounts, has really connected

717
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 3: with the franchise quarterback. And we saw a Cardinals camp.

718
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 3: We saw the two of them standing there a lot

719
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 3: watching from behind the defense, Kyler Murray posing questions. All right,

720
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 3: so why did the defense do this? Why did they

721
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 3: react when the offense did that? What would you do?

722
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 3: What should I look for? And we've seen it around

723
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,439
Speaker 3: the practice field. You see it around the facility. They're

724
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:17,280
Speaker 3: constantly walking talking together. And I think there is a

725
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 3: really good vibe between the head coach and Kyler Murray

726
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 3: right now.

727
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:25,399
Speaker 4: I would agree. Look, I think in both cases, both

728
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 4: are cases they benefit from the other one if the

729
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:33,359
Speaker 4: other one does well. I mean, we know, we know

730
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 4: that Kyler Murray needs the head coach to have his

731
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 4: stuff together because you just you need your coach to

732
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 4: be there. I think one thing that gets lost in

733
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 4: the Kyler Murray will he be the long term guy?

734
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 4: Will he be moved on from I firmly believe that.

735
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 4: I'm not saying I know one way or the other,

736
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 4: and I don't even know for a for sure fact

737
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 4: of what the organization of the coaches are thinking. I

738
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 4: do think this. I think that the Cardinals come out

739
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 4: way ahead if Kyler comes back and plays like this

740
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 4: transcendent quarterback, because then all of a sudden, you could

741
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:21,439
Speaker 4: be owning a draft pick that you could trade for

742
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 4: a boat load if you don't need one of those

743
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 4: quarterbacks and you need a lot of stuff on this roster,

744
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 4: and if you've already got a Kyler Murray playing at

745
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 4: a high level whose contract, quite frankly, is going to

746
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,359
Speaker 4: be out of the top five of quarterbacks sooner rather

747
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 4: than later just because of all the so he's relatively

748
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 4: affordable and you can fill up all these other things.

749
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 4: I don't know why anybody would be rooting for that

750
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 4: not to happen, and they've got options. I'm not saying

751
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 4: they couldn't do the other thing, but I do think

752
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 4: for the for the team, their best thing is for

753
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 4: that to happen. And we saw more than that. You'd

754
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 4: like after week one, you'd like to see a few

755
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 4: of these college quarterbacks not be quite so great all season,

756
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 4: because if you do decide to stay with Kyler and

757
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 4: you want to trade that pick, you don't need like

758
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 4: six franchise quarterbacks coming out in this draft. You need

759
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 4: like one or two.

760
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 3: That's true. Let's hope that the duke quarterback was more

761
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,280
Speaker 3: product of Clemson looking god awful. Put it that way,

762
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 3: that was amazing. Do you hear Dave Pash say that

763
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 3: mel Kiper had the duke quarterback rated number three on

764
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,439
Speaker 3: his big board to start this college season. I had

765
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 3: no idea.

766
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 4: I just said that comment thirty seconds ago, not even

767
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,399
Speaker 4: understanding the duke quarterback was part of it. But I'm

768
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:50,359
Speaker 4: talking about Pennix in Washington. I'm talking about Nicks, Bo Nix.

769
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 4: I'm talking about Deon Sanders kid at Colorado, in addition

770
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 4: to Drake May and in addition to Caleb Williams, and

771
00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 4: I think there's a couple other ones that are floating

772
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 4: out that had nice games.

773
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 3: I didn't really thought about that. You're right, you don't.

774
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 4: I'm gonna come out, You're gonna have the number one pick,

775
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 4: and there's gonna be like eight all time franchise quarterbacks

776
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 4: coming out, and everybody's like, yeah, go take whoever you want.

777
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 4: We'll be all right.

778
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 3: Yeah that's uh, all right. So look you got and

779
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 3: usually the last thing about the team captains. I did

780
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,720
Speaker 3: appreciate the fact that they didn't name like a dozen

781
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 3: guys team captains.

782
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 4: You know, Zach wasn't around for that last.

783
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 3: When you need more than two hands to count the

784
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 3: team captains, when it's more than half the starters on

785
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 3: both sides of the ball, then okay, come on, things

786
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 3: are getting a little sideways. It diminishes the value of

787
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 3: the sea on the on the jersey. So I like

788
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 3: the fact that were only a half dozen and it

789
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,399
Speaker 3: was the names that you would expect and you would

790
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 3: hope for. I think having Kaisier White be a team

791
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 3: captain though, shows the type of power and the type

792
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 3: of impact he does have.

793
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 2: On that defensive side of the ball. We know how

794
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:55,320
Speaker 2: he was as a mike linebacker in Philadelphia with Johnathan Gannon.

795
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 2: He's brought that over here to the Arizona Cardinals. So

796
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 2: that was the name that I was hoping for. When

797
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:05,479
Speaker 2: Jonathan Gannon said that team captains haven't been announced publicly yet,

798
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 2: that was the name I was hoping for to see

799
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 2: if he will be on or won't be on. But

800
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 2: it was good to see that he was.

801
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 3: By the way, if you were to make a prediction.

802
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:16,800
Speaker 3: Here was one of the last questions I asked Jonathan

803
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 3: Gannon on his TV show this week, what do you

804
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 3: know about this team that the rest of the world

805
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 3: is going to find out? And on Friday Night six

806
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 3: thirty and twelve News you can see what he said.

807
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 3: And he didn't necessarily name names, but we will. Okay,

808
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 3: give me the name or two of someone you think

809
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 3: is going to have a breakout season that you have

810
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 3: a pretty good feeling this player is going to ball

811
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 3: this year, and especially the national media is about to

812
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 3: find that out because I'll get started. Honestly, Kaizer White

813
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 3: is a guy would put near the top of that

814
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 3: Paul he powerpole because he said his best year in

815
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 3: the NFL, in his opinion, was when he one year

816
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 3: he played mike linebacker with the Chargers and then he

817
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 3: went to the Eagles and they had too much debt

818
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 3: and they end up playing will I think putting him

819
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,439
Speaker 3: back at this mike linebacker spot. I think he's gonna

820
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 3: have a heck of a season based on everything we've seen.

821
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,320
Speaker 4: This is a little bit of a swing for offense.

822
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 4: But I'm just gonna go with my gut here. I

823
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 4: think L J. Collier is gonna have a really good year.

824
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 4: I think he's motivated. I think he realized that his

825
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:26,240
Speaker 4: career could really be wrapping up if he doesn't do well.

826
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 4: I think he had a really good preseason and I

827
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 4: think he kind of wants to show that he's worth something.

828
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 4: I could be off on that, but and I'll be honest,

829
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 4: I'm also having some trouble coming up with names of

830
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 4: guys that really pop by, but I'm gonna go with L. J. Collier, Zach.

831
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 2: I would probably go Dennis Gardik. He's been a name

832
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 2: that's you know, started to He had that one year

833
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 2: where he had the seven sacks and you know, did

834
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 2: a really solid job. But over the past couple of

835
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 2: years he hasn't had as much production on the defensive

836
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 2: side of the ball. With him being slated here as

837
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 2: the first unit outside linebacker on the Week one depth chart,

838
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 2: he has earned the respect of the coaching staff. It's

839
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,720
Speaker 2: why he's got that captain label on him as well.

840
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 2: JG literally said, that's my man, Dennis Gardick. So to

841
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 2: see the type of impact he's had, And I was

842
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 2: talking with Jesse Luketta about it, and I was like,

843
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,240
Speaker 2: what type of relationship do you have with Dennis Gardick,

844
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 2: And he was like that guy, no matter what is

845
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,240
Speaker 2: again in front of him, He's going to do everything

846
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 2: to get through and get to the quarterback.

847
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 3: He made a comment in the offseason at some point

848
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 3: Gardik where he said previously in his career he would

849
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 3: just come off the ball with furious athleticism and then

850
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,839
Speaker 3: figure it out en route to the quarterback. That Rob Rodriguez,

851
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 3: his new position coach, has him being much more of

852
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 3: a thinking man's pass rusher. That he still has that

853
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 3: same Tasmanian devil to him, that same athleticism, but he

854
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 3: has a plan in place. When they snapped the ball,

855
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 3: which I found intriguing, almost like he unlocks something at Gardick.

856
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 4: Do you do you think it has anything to do

857
00:40:57,719 --> 00:40:59,439
Speaker 4: with a doodle Bob tattoo he got.

858
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 3: Do you think Josh Dobbs will get a doodle Bob tattoo?

859
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 4: I don't think Josh Dobbs will. And it's funny that

860
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 4: we all mentioned defensive players.

861
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:11,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I have one for you. I Can I

862
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 3: get a runner up? Can I get a runner up?

863
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 3: Around the horn?

864
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:15,439
Speaker 2: Round?

865
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 3: Well?

866
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 4: Because he had like seven breakout players of camp, so

867
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 4: I'm not surprised he wants two of these.

868
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 3: I can't resist. I admit it's a weak spot.

869
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 4: If it's de Marcado, I'm walking out.

870
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 3: Absolutely not Michael Wilson.

871
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I almost went with Michael.

872
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 3: I think they actually stinking hit Michael Wilson in the preseason.

873
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 4: Yes, I think Bolden esque. Yes, yeah, yes, it's crossed

874
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 4: my mind.

875
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 3: Obviously they know what they have and Michael Wilson, they

876
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 3: kind of got him out there. So here you have

877
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 3: a little taste, young man. What you know, full contact,

878
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 3: full speed football is all about again. But oh that's enough,

879
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:50,359
Speaker 3: come back out.

880
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 4: I told this, I've told this story before, but I'm

881
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 4: gonna tell it again because I enjoyed so much. I

882
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,879
Speaker 4: was UH. I was covering the team for the East

883
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,800
Speaker 4: Valley Tribune in two thousand in three, and the offensive

884
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 4: coordinator of that year was Jerry Sullivan, who was also

885
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 4: a receivers guru as we all know, and UH and

886
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:10,320
Speaker 4: KWin Bolden had been the second round pick out of

887
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 4: Florida State, and he had like one catch or two

888
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 4: catches in the preseason and barely played. And I went

889
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,439
Speaker 4: and sat down with Jerry Sullivan on the Friday before

890
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 4: the game in Detroit to open the season, and we

891
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 4: were talking about some different guys on offense, and I

892
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 4: said an kwan, I said, is he like, do you

893
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,359
Speaker 4: think he can do something? Or are you worried he's

894
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 4: gonna be able to produce? And goes, oh no, He goes,

895
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 4: he wasn't out there because we didn't want him out there.

896
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,359
Speaker 4: We don't want anybody to know him. He goes, you

897
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 4: watched Aaron. He goes, watch what happens Sunday. He goes,

898
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 4: everybody's gonna know about an KWin bolt And then of

899
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 4: course he went out there and had two hundred and

900
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 4: eighteen yards or whatever he did, and ten catches and

901
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 4: two touchdowns against Detroit, and everybody knew about an KWin

902
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 4: Bolden from then on out. I don't know if Michael

903
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 4: Wilson is gonna go and get you ten catches this weekend,

904
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:59,280
Speaker 4: but I I it did cross my mind, like, hmm,

905
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 4: I he didn't have to do nearly as much. Are

906
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 4: they keeping him under wraps?

907
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 3: It's a great story. I've heard it a few times,

908
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 3: but it's still a great story. It's like wolfs Jack

909
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 3: Lambert story. I've heard that a few hundred times, but

910
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 3: still still a good story, you know, And that's the

911
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 3: great part of when coaches will trust you enough to

912
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 3: share little tidbits like that. That's a little behind the

913
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 3: scenes of the media business.

914
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 4: It's a long time ago.

915
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 3: It is long and unfortunately not a lot of that

916
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 3: happens anymore because of all Twitter and social media and

917
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 3: there's everyone is such a rush to break stories and

918
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 3: it's instant news. The moment you tweeted out I was

919
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 3: there Twitter back then? Was that O? Three?

920
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 4: No?

921
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 3: No, three years before Twitter even launched.

922
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 4: I didn't even get on Twitter until two thousand and nine, nine,

923
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 4: all right. In fact, in two thousand and three, the

924
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 4: Velly Tribune wasn't really on the internet that much either.

925
00:43:54,760 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 3: There's your answer. Okay, By the way, to Baker, what

926
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 3: he told Dave Pass about how he put on fifteen

927
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:06,839
Speaker 3: pounds and he's actually faster than he was. How are

928
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 3: we how are we processing what's to come with Buddha

929
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 3: Baker this year?

930
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 4: Talk about motivation? You know he's looking for that extension

931
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 4: after the year.

932
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:19,839
Speaker 3: Yes, he does, there's no doubt about that. So all right,

933
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 3: so you have all that what I don't need and

934
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:24,479
Speaker 3: in fact, I'm gonna win. We're done here. I'm gonna

935
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 3: call Roger and Park Avenue and I'm gonna talk to

936
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 3: the commission. I'm gonna tell him we need a moratorium.

937
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 3: A number changes the first week of the regular season?

938
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 3: Are you kidding me? So? Now Josh Woods is ten correct,

939
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,720
Speaker 3: and Chris Barnes, another inside linebacker, is now wearing Josh

940
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:41,280
Speaker 3: Wood's number of fifty one correct?

941
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 4: See why what do you you already know it?

942
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 3: Are there any other number changes we need to be

943
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,320
Speaker 3: married aware of? And is there ever a moratorium or

944
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 3: or an end date where you can no longer change

945
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 3: your number?

946
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 4: I noticed Jeff Swain changed. He went from come on

947
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,800
Speaker 4: eighty six, so he's.

948
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 3: Not eighty four anymore because that's eighties. He's eighty seven,

949
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 3: which was Daniel Arius.

950
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 4: But Daniel Harris is on the practice squad.

951
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 3: And now eighty four is Elijah Higgins the new tight end.

952
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 2: Right there you go? Can I ask, though, because I

953
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 2: was traveling back on Monday, what happened with Andre wearing

954
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 2: number Kyler Murray's number one?

955
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 4: Okay?

956
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 3: So I heard true help me out on that.

957
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 4: I it was weird because we were out there and

958
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 4: he comes out and he's got a helmet on, and

959
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 4: Andrea is probably in the same ballpark height wise as Kyler.

960
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 4: And so there's a guy with a helmet, wearing number one,

961
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 4: wearing a sleeve on his right leg, and there was

962
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:37,800
Speaker 4: a couple of us like what is going on because

963
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 4: this is the illegals hell And then you took a

964
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 4: lot look to the left and Kyler was sitting on

965
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 4: his own, actually over with the one of the athletic trainers.

966
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 4: So I'm like, okay, that's not him. And so a

967
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 4: process of elimination we saw that it was Andre Basili,

968
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 4: who was a practice squad wide receiver ben around a

969
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 4: couple of years. And then I thought, okay, maybe he

970
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 4: lost to bet to Kyler something like that. I was

971
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 4: told that he's serving as dots and on the scout

972
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 4: team this week, although I've never I've never seen them

973
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 4: wear a number like that and wear it, and maybe

974
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 4: I was maybe it was red and they were wearing

975
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 4: red on the offense too, but like it looked like

976
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 4: just like the practice jerseys and not like one of

977
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:21,280
Speaker 4: the black fake ones.

978
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 3: With all due respect Andre, but Shelley, he doesn't have

979
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 3: the same tree trunk legs like Kyler Murray. You know

980
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 3: he doesn't. That's true, doesn't.

981
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 4: When you're just like and he was on the other

982
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 4: side of the field. So I did notice, Zach, that

983
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 4: Paul's voice got it. It seems like a guy just

984
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 4: a tad deeper now that he doesn't have the mustache.

985
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 2: Mm hm, I said when he walked into the studio,

986
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:44,840
Speaker 2: this is my first time seeing him without a mustache.

987
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:46,240
Speaker 4: He went very GQ today.

988
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:48,800
Speaker 3: Well, I had been bombing the testosterone to try and

989
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 3: get the mustache to grow, so maybe that was one

990
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 3: of the side effects. I don't know. You know, I

991
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 3: was trying performance and answers, but you know, truth be told.

992
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 3: Now that's the regular season, they start testing, so I

993
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 3: had to stop with the performance and answers to get

994
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 3: the mustache. It just wasn't winning behavior, Zach. Okay, just

995
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 3: just know that it wasn't winning behavior. That that that,

996
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 3: and it didn't make the wife's final fifty three. She

997
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 3: absolutely hated it.

998
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 2: It wasn't even put on the practice squad.

999
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:18,800
Speaker 3: No, speaking of the practice squad, is there a different

1000
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 3: strategy that's gonna be used by this coaching staff because

1001
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 3: it seems like there's a lot of guys they could

1002
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 3: most definitely count on in the regular season who are

1003
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 3: on the practice squad. These aren't like Division three guys

1004
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 3: with some sort of potential upside, and they're gonna try

1005
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 3: and see what No. These are like established dudes like

1006
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 3: a Corey Clement other players that I could easily see

1007
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:45,720
Speaker 3: getting significant playing time that are now on the practice squad.

1008
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 3: So can you refresh our memory on the rules? You

1009
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 3: get three chances to be called up from the practice squad, right.

1010
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 4: Any chances that get called up where you could still

1011
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 4: be put back down on the practice squad, but that's it,

1012
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:57,280
Speaker 4: and then you have to be on the active roster,

1013
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 4: and then you get two of those a week. And

1014
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 4: I'll be honest with the way the waiver claims went.

1015
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 4: I mean, right now, they've got nine offensive linemen. Ten

1016
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 4: offensive lineman, okay, ten offensive linemen. Four of them were

1017
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 4: waiver claims that just showed up. So you've got one

1018
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 4: backup offensive lineman that's been in the system for more

1019
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 4: than a week, and that's Kelvin Beacham. I wouldn't be

1020
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 4: shocked if at least one of their call ups in

1021
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 4: that first game is an offensive lineman that's been with

1022
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 4: them all through camp and you just make an active

1023
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 4: your waiver, got most your waiver guys.

1024
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 3: Like a Marquis Hayes.

1025
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, like a Marquise Hayes or a Hayden Howardton or

1026
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 4: somebody like that, so that these guys have a chance

1027
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 4: to get their feet underneath them, because otherwise you're talking

1028
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 4: about a bunch of backups that if they have to

1029
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 4: go play, they haven't done anything yet.

1030
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 3: And once again, if somebody comes after a Marquise Hayes,

1031
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 3: for example, you do have the right to match if

1032
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:53,799
Speaker 3: another of the thirty one teams comes after one of

1033
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 3: your practice squad players, Oh yeah, you have the ability,

1034
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, to automatic I mean it's and it's not

1035
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:02,240
Speaker 3: the players, it's the team's choice. If they automatically elevate

1036
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 3: him to the fifty three, then it's still the team's property.

1037
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 3: Like exactly right.

1038
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 4: I don't think that's true. I do think you have

1039
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 4: a choice. But you but if you're talking about going

1040
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 4: to another team's practice squad, or are you talking about if.

1041
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 3: Sometime you like back in the day, Rasul Douglas, the

1042
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 3: quarterback that went to the Packers, and he was out

1043
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,280
Speaker 3: there on the practice squad for the Cardinals, and somehow

1044
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 3: he got away. Yeah, when the Packers came calling, could

1045
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 3: the Cardinals that season have said, no, he's now on

1046
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 3: the fifty three.

1047
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:33,879
Speaker 4: They what they could have done is said, we want

1048
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:35,959
Speaker 4: you to stay, and we're putting you on the fifty three.

1049
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 4: And I do believe it's the player's choice. However, almost

1050
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 4: all of them are like, well, I'm I'm going to

1051
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 4: get I want to get a paycheck. I don't want

1052
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 4: to uproot my I'm in the middle of the season.

1053
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 4: I'd rather stay where I've been. I have a better

1054
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,959
Speaker 4: chance to get some playing time. So yeah, I think

1055
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 4: in that when a guy leaves, because that's happened before.

1056
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:00,399
Speaker 4: You've had guys that have almost left and then they

1057
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 4: get promoted. And sometimes I'm like, that's an odd time

1058
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:06,399
Speaker 4: to promote this guy. Oh well, you find out behind

1059
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 4: the scenes another team was trying to sign him and

1060
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 4: they're like, oh no, no, well we'll bring you up.

1061
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:14,320
Speaker 4: We get we'll give you that fifty three man roster paycheck.

1062
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 4: Because again, people forget all this stuff. You want your

1063
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:19,840
Speaker 4: team to win, you want to get all the best players.

1064
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 4: This is still a job for these guys. And the

1065
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 4: difference in a paycheck between a practice squad week and

1066
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 4: a regular season week is monumental.

1067
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:29,399
Speaker 3: All right, So last question, or at least the last

1068
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 3: thing I have, Zach, you get butterflies, you know, week

1069
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 3: one on Sunday. You know DJ Humprees talks about he

1070
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:37,840
Speaker 3: still has butterflies to this day. In fact, DJ Humphreys

1071
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 3: went TMI too much info and said that before he

1072
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 3: leaves his hotel room for breakfast on the road in

1073
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 3: the morning, he spends about thirty minutes quote dry heaving

1074
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 3: before he then embarks on his game day. That's the

1075
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 3: sort of nerves and anxiety he gets before a game.

1076
00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 2: I won't have that. I'm not blocking Jase Young. I'm okay, yeah, okay,

1077
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 2: all right, just just thought. But there's definitely gonna be

1078
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 2: a lot of excitement. I think everyone always looks for

1079
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 2: that first day, that first game. Everyone counts down how

1080
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 2: many Sundays do we have left until the regular season begins.

1081
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 2: We're officially here, as you started off with, Paul, We're

1082
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Speaker 2: coming down to the final stretch and it's it's all

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Speaker 2: it's all on the horizon.

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Speaker 4: I mean, we're here. It's football season, Paul. It's it's

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Speaker 4: gonna it's only gonna be one hundred and twelve on

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Speaker 4: Saturday in Arizona.

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Speaker 3: Feels like home, you realize, Okay, as we record this,

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Speaker 3: it's somewhat early in the game week. Washington d C.

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Speaker 3: Is about to hit ninety eight degrees two or three

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Speaker 3: days in a row midweek.

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Speaker 4: Yes, but it is supposed to cool down a.

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Speaker 3: Tad thankfully, because I immediately went to the five day forecast.

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Speaker 3: What the heck is going? Because you know it works.

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Speaker 3: The visiting sideline is in full sun for all.

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Speaker 4: Oh, that's right, we're back to Paul worrying about it.

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Speaker 3: You know. I'm like, you know what, we already paid

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Speaker 3: our penance in Minnesota with a stinking heat index of

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Speaker 3: like one seventeen for that practice.

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Speaker 4: So my question is is like, is this more bothersome

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Speaker 4: of a sideline or will it be more bothered or

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Speaker 4: some in Chicago on Christmas Eve.

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Speaker 3: I'll take Chicago. Other than the heat and the humidity,

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Speaker 3: like Jacksonville is the worst. If you get a Jacksonville

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Speaker 3: game on the road in early September, that is just

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Speaker 3: the worst. I'd rather layer up and be on the

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Speaker 3: sideline and you're one of the heaters than dealing with

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Speaker 3: I get that all that sunshine.

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Speaker 2: But that's because you have access to the heaters.

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Speaker 3: Well yeah, until the players sort of stiff arm you

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Speaker 3: out of the way and they say players only and

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Speaker 3: they shove Polly pencil neck out of the way. Here's

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Speaker 3: the last confounding thing I need. And as we've had

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Speaker 3: a lot of last I noticed and Collins, does he

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Speaker 3: really look that much older than he is?

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Speaker 4: Well? I didn't think so. I mean, I know he's

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Speaker 4: got a beard.

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Speaker 3: But he told the story that a lot of guys

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Speaker 3: came up to him, younger guys, rookies and said, what

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Speaker 3: are you in like year eight? He's like, no, dude,

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Speaker 3: I'm in year three. Oh well, you just look older.

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Speaker 4: Really well, you know what I will say this, he

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Speaker 4: does look like he was alive at nine to eleven.

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Speaker 2: I was gonna ask if after this year, we'll look

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Speaker 2: a guy I've been in the NFL for about three

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Speaker 2: years or so, or am I going to be fine

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Speaker 2: from this position?

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Speaker 4: We'll work on it. We'll work on age you a

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Speaker 4: little bit.

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Speaker 3: Depends how this season goes, Zach. Okay, some seasons aide

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Speaker 3: you more than others. Let's put it that way.

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Speaker 2: Well, what's the prediction then for how many years are

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Speaker 2: you think I'm going to age at the end of

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Speaker 2: this at the end of this year, that's a great question.

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Speaker 3: You'll be able to rent a car by the end

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Speaker 3: of this season, That's what I'll say. You'll go from

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Speaker 3: twenty one to twenty five. I think this season I'll

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Speaker 3: take Okay, all right, you'll be You'll split the difference

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Speaker 3: between you and Danny. So we'll leave it there. Wait

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Speaker 3: a minute, I'm not so stick reveal the age, or

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Speaker 3: she's on a signment, she's on assignment, so she's not

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Speaker 3: here to defend herself or her birth certificate. That'll do

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