WEBVTT - Talkin' Cowboys: A New Era 0:00:04.080 --> 0:00:06.600 The following. He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:06.640 --> 0:00:17.560 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This he's Talking Cowboys, 0:00:18.000 --> 0:00:21.400 Screaming live from the Dallas Cowboys World Cowers at the 0:00:21.480 --> 0:00:34.000 Star in Frisco. Now, your hosts Nicky Spagnola, Rob Phillips, 0:00:34.000 --> 0:00:39.159 Everson Walls, and Bill Jones. Well, Rob Phillips, you may 0:00:39.200 --> 0:00:42.120 have seen him just walk in just in the nick 0:00:42.200 --> 0:00:45.800 of time. We've got a new coach, they are, and 0:00:45.800 --> 0:00:49.519 and Rob Phillips walks in like he uh like he 0:00:49.600 --> 0:00:52.920 doesn't care that there's a new regime here, that there's 0:00:52.960 --> 0:00:56.240 a lot of things happing mind right off the bat 0:00:56.280 --> 0:00:59.720 here by the news He's got other things, right, guys, 0:00:59.720 --> 0:01:02.480 that's you have to understand. But I apologize to everything 0:01:02.560 --> 0:01:04.840 because you do not like tardiness. I do not. You 0:01:06.520 --> 0:01:09.839 are not tarty. You are right on time. And while 0:01:10.120 --> 0:01:12.080 do we have a lot to talk about on this 0:01:12.240 --> 0:01:16.160 edition of Talking Cowboys. Yeah, we're now we're back to 0:01:16.520 --> 0:01:20.800 the off season mode of one show a week, and 0:01:20.880 --> 0:01:23.560 so Tuesday at Love at am is going to be 0:01:23.600 --> 0:01:26.560 our time slots. Good with that, right, I'm good. I'm 0:01:26.600 --> 0:01:28.160 good with it. Okay, you know, my tues is a 0:01:28.280 --> 0:01:30.960 really very busy, but yeah, I put some time aside. 0:01:31.040 --> 0:01:34.200 There you go. It's been a it was a busy 0:01:34.240 --> 0:01:39.040 weekend for some people here at the Star, and so 0:01:39.160 --> 0:01:41.800 I guess we just start where would you like to start. 0:01:42.360 --> 0:01:45.119 It's not officially announced that there's a new head coach 0:01:45.120 --> 0:01:48.160 of the Dallas Cowbum. I'm just glad it's it's being done. 0:01:48.200 --> 0:01:51.000 I'm glad the process has started because you guys are 0:01:51.040 --> 0:01:55.960 so thirsty, man, the media, it's so thirsty. What is 0:01:56.000 --> 0:01:59.640 happening here? It happened now. I wanted now, wow, wow, wow, 0:02:00.040 --> 0:02:04.280 you're gonna have to wait till tomorrow, I think on 0:02:04.360 --> 0:02:09.040 the press conference or announcement. I'm I'm very happy that 0:02:09.160 --> 0:02:15.280 it happened quickly because in our business, reportedly happened quick Yes, yes, 0:02:15.440 --> 0:02:20.120 reportedly happened quickly because in our business, they want to 0:02:20.280 --> 0:02:23.880 fill airtime with all sorts of speculation. And I didn't 0:02:23.919 --> 0:02:26.839 want some two or three week drawn out process where 0:02:27.000 --> 0:02:30.160 we're having to chase people like ten like last ten 0:02:30.280 --> 0:02:32.480 candidates last time. I don't even want a two or 0:02:32.560 --> 0:02:36.959 three day process. Man, you guys didntmand him. Glad I 0:02:37.040 --> 0:02:42.280 didn't try to marry one of you guys. Actually, now 0:02:42.480 --> 0:02:45.120 that is fashion. Now what was happening? It's the Twitter 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:47.600 world we live in, I guess so, and uh in 0:02:47.720 --> 0:02:50.239 the very latest this afternoon, of course we'll get into 0:02:50.480 --> 0:02:52.919 Mike McCarthy and what's going on here. But I mean, 0:02:53.720 --> 0:02:57.720 this morning, Matt Rule leaves Baylor. He's going to the 0:02:57.800 --> 0:03:01.840 Carolina Panthers. Wow. Yes, stuff. And on the heels of that, 0:03:02.600 --> 0:03:04.880 Joe Judge is the new head coach of the New 0:03:04.960 --> 0:03:08.120 York Giants. And all of a sudden, and it starts 0:03:08.200 --> 0:03:11.359 with the reports of Mike McCarthy but coming to Cowboys 0:03:11.440 --> 0:03:13.519 head coach, follows up with Caroline and the Giants, and 0:03:13.560 --> 0:03:15.079 all of a sudden, the only job out there is 0:03:15.160 --> 0:03:18.799 Cleveland now, and then they stay out there for a while. 0:03:19.480 --> 0:03:21.680 So I thought I had just read where Matt Rule 0:03:21.840 --> 0:03:24.799 was staying at Baylor. Well, that's what leading up to 0:03:24.880 --> 0:03:27.320 his game against Georgia, that's what we said. He was 0:03:27.400 --> 0:03:30.519 saying that he would he had told his team, you know, 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:33.880 I'll entertain. You know, if someone offers you, I think, 0:03:33.960 --> 0:03:38.200 as he put at fourteen million dollars to go talk someplace, 0:03:38.480 --> 0:03:41.760 then wouldn't you do that? And as it turns out, 0:03:41.800 --> 0:03:45.480 have you seen the money? I saw five years, No, no, 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:49.800 seven years, sixty millions. Yes, well that's not ten million 0:03:49.840 --> 0:03:54.800 a year. No it's not, but it s sorry, it's 0:03:54.840 --> 0:04:00.640 not ten I go back to a nice place. So 0:04:00.800 --> 0:04:02.760 there you go, guys. We need to we need to 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:05.200 have more shows. If we got all this info, all 0:04:05.240 --> 0:04:12.080 this stuff, all right, so let's go back to talking 0:04:12.160 --> 0:04:16.640 cowboys and what happened over the course of the last 0:04:16.720 --> 0:04:20.360 week and over the weekend, and uh, score around the horn, 0:04:20.480 --> 0:04:24.600 and what's your reaction to what what you know? Making? Well? Um, 0:04:25.279 --> 0:04:29.440 I had said all along, how whoever they hired, I 0:04:29.560 --> 0:04:32.960 didn't want a head coach coming in practicing on my dime. 0:04:33.600 --> 0:04:35.760 I wanted a guy that had been a head coach 0:04:36.200 --> 0:04:42.360 and had NFL experience. And so I think that Mike 0:04:42.480 --> 0:04:46.960 McCarthy checks off those two boxes, um, And not to mention, 0:04:47.080 --> 0:04:50.279 he's been pretty successful. And the thing I like about 0:04:50.360 --> 0:04:52.760 it that if you had to get a coach who 0:04:54.360 --> 0:04:57.680 was not coaching, he hadn't been out more than a year. 0:04:58.279 --> 0:05:00.839 I worry about guys that have been out three, four 0:05:00.920 --> 0:05:03.280 or five years, and then they forget how hard it 0:05:03.480 --> 0:05:07.040 is to be a head coach, how hard you have 0:05:07.200 --> 0:05:11.640 to work to be successful, As they were previously, so 0:05:12.040 --> 0:05:16.520 I think he checks those boxes. And then my question was, Okay, 0:05:16.720 --> 0:05:20.520 that's fine. Now who's your defensive coordinator? And it's sounding 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:24.359 like it's Mike Nolan, who's been the linebackers coach at 0:05:24.440 --> 0:05:27.600 New Orleans, So if that goes through, I thought that 0:05:27.720 --> 0:05:31.480 would be his major hire. Who's going to take care 0:05:31.520 --> 0:05:35.760 of a defense that needed taking care of? Well, you 0:05:35.839 --> 0:05:38.159 think Rob I agree with that. We'll see what happens 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:40.600 with Nolan, and obviously the McCarthy stuff, they've got to 0:05:40.640 --> 0:05:43.920 announce all that, but it's obviously sounds like it's heading 0:05:43.920 --> 0:05:46.599 in that direction. And I agree with what Mickey said, 0:05:46.720 --> 0:05:49.120 what I've been saying since the end of the year. 0:05:49.120 --> 0:05:51.120 If they made the decision to move on from Jason, 0:05:51.839 --> 0:05:54.919 you're gonna pay Dak Prescott a ton of money coming up, 0:05:54.960 --> 0:05:57.960 whether it's on the franchise tag or a long term deal. 0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:02.240 There's not a better and it available that's worked with quarterbacks. 0:06:02.360 --> 0:06:05.920 Then Mike McCarthy. I know Lincoln Riley's out there, bright, 0:06:06.040 --> 0:06:10.440 young mind, all that, but McCarthy's experience goes back to 0:06:10.560 --> 0:06:15.280 Joe Montana in ninety four, Brett Farve, Aaron Rodgers, and 0:06:15.400 --> 0:06:18.359 I think he deserves credit for Aaron Rodgers development as 0:06:18.400 --> 0:06:21.920 well as Aaron Rodgers gives credit for what Green Bay 0:06:21.960 --> 0:06:24.279 has done as a team. I think it's a really 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:26.600 good hire. It's it's guys ready made to step in 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:29.280 and produce. And I'm honestly not surprised that this is 0:06:29.320 --> 0:06:32.240 coming together as fast as it is because you know, 0:06:32.560 --> 0:06:35.200 Jerry Jones didn't commit to Jason Garrett past this season, 0:06:35.560 --> 0:06:38.240 so you have to think he would have a short 0:06:38.279 --> 0:06:41.360 list of guys ready to go, and Mickey alluded to 0:06:41.440 --> 0:06:43.160 in two thousand and seven when they interviewed a ton 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:47.840 of guys. Bill Parcel's blindsided Jerry and said, you know what, 0:06:48.000 --> 0:06:50.400 I'm done after the sixth season, and Jerry had to 0:06:50.440 --> 0:06:53.400 scramble and find a guy. It's pretty clear I think 0:06:53.440 --> 0:06:55.400 he knows who he knew pretty early on. This guy 0:06:55.480 --> 0:06:59.360 wanted to be I'll tell you he did not want 0:06:59.360 --> 0:07:02.120 another plus else. God, he did not want that, and 0:07:02.200 --> 0:07:04.080 that's what he got. He got a guy that's not 0:07:04.240 --> 0:07:07.960 He's not a part sales guy. He's a coach with experience, 0:07:09.120 --> 0:07:13.200 successful coach. You would think that those complaints that we've 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:17.400 had about Jason Jarrett and his coaching staff, all of 0:07:17.480 --> 0:07:19.960 that would be remedied with a guy like McCarthy, who 0:07:20.040 --> 0:07:23.880 was known to be just a meticulous coach in all areas. 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:26.360 That's a good thing. The other good thing about it 0:07:26.560 --> 0:07:30.320 is he can deal with Jerry Jones. He can let 0:07:30.440 --> 0:07:33.320 Jerry Jones do what he wants to do. McCarthy is 0:07:33.360 --> 0:07:35.880 good with just being this coach that can just handle 0:07:35.960 --> 0:07:40.400 the team. Jerry as a distraction to most head coaches. 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:43.240 I think McCarthy has the experience to wait, it wouldn't 0:07:43.280 --> 0:07:45.680 bother him. I think he can work his way around that. 0:07:46.040 --> 0:07:50.560 In regards to any circus atmosphere that people anticipate coming 0:07:51.040 --> 0:07:53.480 from Jerry Jones. The only thing I will say about 0:07:53.520 --> 0:07:57.520 it is the Marvin Lewis attempt. Whatever you want to 0:07:57.560 --> 0:08:01.040 call that, Marvin, mar Yeah, I'm getting old guys. I 0:08:01.080 --> 0:08:05.640 want anytime I think skin you can correct me anytime 0:08:05.680 --> 0:08:11.760 you want. If that was just a typical Rooney rule attempt, 0:08:11.960 --> 0:08:16.000 it was weak. There are some great coaches out there, 0:08:16.200 --> 0:08:19.920 African American coaches that if they really were serious about that, 0:08:20.120 --> 0:08:22.680 I think they could have gone so many other different ways. 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:26.320 I thought that was just a for lack of a 0:08:26.400 --> 0:08:28.600 better term, I thought that was just a token effort 0:08:29.320 --> 0:08:31.840 to get to even interview Marvin Lewis. I'm just kind 0:08:31.880 --> 0:08:35.199 of disappointed about that. However, I am happy about the 0:08:35.320 --> 0:08:39.800 McCarthy hiring if it's official, and when it's all said 0:08:39.800 --> 0:08:41.600 and done, we're worried about the time and how long 0:08:41.640 --> 0:08:44.320 it took. Okay, guys, here we are. Okay, here we are. 0:08:44.440 --> 0:08:46.040 We got them. I think we got them. If we 0:08:46.080 --> 0:08:48.160 got them, we got them. Wow, we have so much 0:08:48.240 --> 0:08:50.599 more time in the off season. Everyone was in a 0:08:50.679 --> 0:08:52.880 hurry to get this done. I'm glad he did it 0:08:53.000 --> 0:08:55.560 on his own terms. When a few times I agree 0:08:55.600 --> 0:08:58.160 with Jerry in regards to procedure, they talked about him 0:08:58.200 --> 0:09:01.040 not one shouldn't be a gem how to get that okay, 0:09:01.280 --> 0:09:04.600 But I thought that him taking his own sweet time 0:09:04.880 --> 0:09:07.040 was his prorogative and I had no problem with it. 0:09:07.200 --> 0:09:11.160 And isn't it kind of funny that everybody was criticizing 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:16.600 him for dragging along not doing something, and then basically 0:09:16.840 --> 0:09:19.240 he was the first one to do something, and now 0:09:19.440 --> 0:09:24.560 all the other dominoes fell either the Cowboys did McCarthy, 0:09:24.720 --> 0:09:30.000 which along those lines, I think when you look at 0:09:30.040 --> 0:09:33.080 the timing of the Jason Garrett, the announcement that Jason 0:09:33.160 --> 0:09:36.640 Garrett would not be they would not pursue an extension 0:09:36.720 --> 0:09:39.400 on Garrett, which was came on Sunday afternoon, and then 0:09:39.480 --> 0:09:42.400 immediately the next morning it comes out that McCarthy is 0:09:42.480 --> 0:09:47.959 the guy. I think that truly that Jerry talked with 0:09:48.120 --> 0:09:51.640 Jason throughout the week and that he gave Jason an 0:09:51.640 --> 0:09:55.000 opportunity to state his case for keeping the job. And 0:09:55.120 --> 0:09:59.800 I truly believe that that Jerry valued what Jason brought 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:03.840 to this organization as a head coach and in all 0:10:04.160 --> 0:10:06.719 aspects of what a head coach is supposed to do. 0:10:07.600 --> 0:10:10.199 And I think that he truly felt like, until I 0:10:10.960 --> 0:10:13.960 can interview the guy that I want, which was McCarthy, 0:10:15.320 --> 0:10:18.280 you know, I'm not ruling out the possibility that Garrett 0:10:18.360 --> 0:10:21.440 might come back. And it wasn't until he got comfortable 0:10:21.559 --> 0:10:24.280 that Mike McCarthy was his guy. And the other part 0:10:24.320 --> 0:10:27.400 of it, now that we see these other dominoes falling, 0:10:28.600 --> 0:10:31.000 the fact that it had it waited a week before 0:10:31.080 --> 0:10:33.640 that decision was made. It did not cost Jason Garrett 0:10:33.679 --> 0:10:35.400 getting these other jobs, because he was not going to 0:10:35.480 --> 0:10:38.160 get the Carolina job or the Giant's job. Obviously, they 0:10:38.200 --> 0:10:40.280 were going into different directions I thought that was a 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:42.439 lot of panic over nothing. It really did. And I'm 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:44.839 glad you said that because I said that yesterday that 0:10:45.080 --> 0:10:48.160 I don't think it was a coincidence that as soon 0:10:48.280 --> 0:10:52.640 as he officially said we're moving on from Jason, that, oh, 0:10:53.000 --> 0:10:56.360 let's hire Mike McCarthy. I think he wanted a bird 0:10:56.480 --> 0:11:00.680 in hand before he moved on from Jason. I thought 0:11:00.720 --> 0:11:03.079 that all last week that he's no, he has a 0:11:03.160 --> 0:11:06.480 known commodity right here in Jason Garrett and until he 0:11:06.640 --> 0:11:09.560 has a sit down with whoever his uh the guy, 0:11:09.800 --> 0:11:12.520 his number one choice was he doesn't know what that 0:11:12.800 --> 0:11:14.719 dynamic is gonna be. Like, Yeah, a lot of that 0:11:14.920 --> 0:11:18.600 was cries from fans and even media that you nice 0:11:18.600 --> 0:11:20.960 and Watt media missed the playoffs, so you get him 0:11:21.000 --> 0:11:23.959 out of here. On Monday, he says if Jason was 0:11:24.080 --> 0:11:27.520 stealing money from them, yeah, was like, hey, get rid 0:11:27.600 --> 0:11:30.400 of him that, right. I can't believe me him. Right. 0:11:30.559 --> 0:11:33.600 If someone to be so oh my god, so hateful 0:11:33.640 --> 0:11:35.760 to a person you don't even know, it's it's it 0:11:35.960 --> 0:11:39.280 was incredible. And yeah, I agree with you guys. I 0:11:39.360 --> 0:11:41.560 think Jerry was gonna and Steven they were gonna take 0:11:41.600 --> 0:11:43.560 a big picture. Look at this thing after the season. 0:11:44.240 --> 0:11:47.079 Think about how much he invested in Jason Garrett Yea 0:11:47.160 --> 0:11:51.000 since two thousand and seven. He he was hired before 0:11:51.080 --> 0:11:54.120 Wade Phillips on the staff in two thousand and seven. 0:11:54.640 --> 0:11:56.760 He was kind of the chosen one. I think. I 0:11:56.800 --> 0:11:59.679 think Jerry wanted this to be a guy here for 0:11:59.760 --> 0:12:03.079 twenty years plus and it just it didn't work out. 0:12:03.280 --> 0:12:05.480 But yeah, I didn't think that he was going to 0:12:05.559 --> 0:12:07.520 make a rast decision right after the season. I think 0:12:07.520 --> 0:12:09.040 we all kind of saw the writing on the wall. 0:12:09.440 --> 0:12:12.880 But again, he's got a coach under contract until January fourteen. 0:12:13.000 --> 0:12:15.199 Just kind of see see where you want to go here? 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:17.959 And you know, ultimately they go in another direction. And 0:12:18.080 --> 0:12:20.439 I think Jason probably last Monday when he walked in 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:23.240 the door, he probably expected that he was going to 0:12:23.360 --> 0:12:25.760 be let go. It might have been even surprised that 0:12:25.880 --> 0:12:28.680 he still had an opportunity to lobby for the job 0:12:28.880 --> 0:12:31.679 the last week, and they probably set it up with hey, 0:12:31.760 --> 0:12:34.240 there are other openings, giants, job is up. Whatever, if 0:12:34.320 --> 0:12:36.480 you want to go pursue those, go pursue those. But 0:12:36.640 --> 0:12:39.959 as Jason said in his postgame comments right after the 0:12:40.040 --> 0:12:42.120 last game, I want to be the head coach of 0:12:42.160 --> 0:12:44.880 the Dallas Cowboys and then Jerry gave me the opportunity 0:12:44.880 --> 0:12:49.560 to him to at least that's right. Yeah, absolutely, as 0:12:49.640 --> 0:12:53.599 far as Jason's got guts, yeah, I get that. You know. 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:56.160 The other part of that is there's a maturity about 0:12:56.240 --> 0:12:58.000 him too. I mean because a lot of people would 0:12:58.440 --> 0:13:01.400 would see the riding on the wall out the door. Yeah, 0:13:01.559 --> 0:13:05.560 you know, that's why he was hide in the first place, 0:13:05.679 --> 0:13:09.679 because that's not in his DNA. Right. Um. Now, as 0:13:09.720 --> 0:13:13.559 far as McCarthy goes, and you know, it's interesting when 0:13:13.600 --> 0:13:16.839 you look at his track record and then let go 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:20.360 by Green Bay thirteen months ago and the way he 0:13:20.520 --> 0:13:24.719 spent the last year in preparing for his next opportunity 0:13:24.840 --> 0:13:29.040 and preparing to interview for his next opportunity, it's he 0:13:29.240 --> 0:13:32.120 was not away from football the last year. Yeah. And 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:36.240 I'm assuming and you guys know this. When a coach 0:13:36.400 --> 0:13:40.520 comes in for an interview, part of the question is, Okay, 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:43.400 how are you going to put your staff together? Who 0:13:43.520 --> 0:13:46.400 you got who's in your back pocket? Like, who's going 0:13:46.440 --> 0:13:48.880 to be your defensive coordinator. I don't think he got 0:13:48.960 --> 0:13:52.679 the job and started going oh, okay, who's out there? Right? 0:13:53.160 --> 0:13:55.319 He knew where Mike Nolan was, and he'd work with 0:13:55.440 --> 0:13:57.920 him before, work with him in San Francisco as his 0:13:58.040 --> 0:14:01.400 offensive coordinator, and and it's like he was only a 0:14:01.480 --> 0:14:04.679 linebacker coach. So I'm sure he had that planned out, 0:14:04.720 --> 0:14:07.640 and he probably had other positions planned out too. We'll 0:14:07.720 --> 0:14:12.640 see what happens once they have the official press conference, 0:14:12.679 --> 0:14:14.840 which I don't think will be any later than Wednesday. 0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:23.040 So tomorrow is there a chance today? I don't think so. Okay, 0:14:23.080 --> 0:14:25.600 So you're you're calling wednesday on, I'm gonna callday. The 0:14:25.640 --> 0:14:28.400 other thing on Mike Nolan is, I mean, this is 0:14:28.440 --> 0:14:31.000 a guy with thirty three years experience coaching in the 0:14:31.080 --> 0:14:34.600 National Football League. Twenty one of those years is either 0:14:34.720 --> 0:14:37.680 a head coach or as a coordinator. I mean, he 0:14:37.920 --> 0:14:40.920 has a lot of experience as a defensive coordinator in 0:14:41.000 --> 0:14:44.120 this league. And of course, Dick Nolan, his father, the 0:14:44.200 --> 0:14:48.600 late great Dick Nolan, was a Cowboys defensive coordinator going 0:14:48.680 --> 0:14:50.960 back to the sixties, then became the head coach of 0:14:51.040 --> 0:14:53.920 the San Francisco forty nine ers, and then came back 0:14:54.240 --> 0:14:56.600 to the Cowboys and he was your position coach. Was 0:14:56.640 --> 0:14:59.480 a guy, he was one of those old school guys. Man. 0:15:00.560 --> 0:15:02.960 We had all kind of jokes about him. I tell 0:15:03.000 --> 0:15:05.800 you kids, he was just had a great sense of humor. Uh. 0:15:06.440 --> 0:15:09.560 He forgot more football than anybody at this table or 0:15:09.600 --> 0:15:13.360 even in this building whatever. Though. He was extremely experienced 0:15:13.400 --> 0:15:16.800 and he was he was a players coach. He had 0:15:16.840 --> 0:15:20.480 been there before. He knew the difficulties that came along 0:15:20.560 --> 0:15:23.360 with playing for the Dallas Cowboys and that flex defense 0:15:23.560 --> 0:15:26.000 because he and Tom Landry actually, if I'm not mistaken, 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:30.000 they played together in New York New York Giants, right, 0:15:30.080 --> 0:15:34.000 So so he had all kind of jokes about funny, funny, 0:15:34.160 --> 0:15:37.520 funny story about Dick Nolan because I remember talking to 0:15:37.720 --> 0:15:40.600 him several I just loved talking. He was a great guy. 0:15:41.040 --> 0:15:44.440 He was. He was the first Marlborough man on the 0:15:44.520 --> 0:15:49.160 big board in in Times Square. Really yeah wow, and 0:15:49.440 --> 0:15:52.040 that once a lot of people do not know. I 0:15:52.080 --> 0:15:55.520 saw a picture a good looking guy playing for the 0:15:55.600 --> 0:15:58.560 New York Giants, right, and so a lot of cigarettes. 0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:01.760 Like the last I think it was the last year 0:16:02.320 --> 0:16:05.360 that he was with the Cowboys. He's walking down the 0:16:05.480 --> 0:16:08.800 hallway at the ranch and he's all been over his 0:16:08.960 --> 0:16:11.200 shoulder and I was like, Dick, I said, what's the 0:16:11.320 --> 0:16:13.680 deal with that shoulder. He goes, I'll tell you what 0:16:13.800 --> 0:16:16.520 the deal is. So he tells me the story that 0:16:16.600 --> 0:16:22.640 they're they're playing at Cleveland and he injures. He injures 0:16:22.760 --> 0:16:25.720 his shoulder right during the game, goes to the locker 0:16:25.800 --> 0:16:29.320 room and the doctor. Back then, they didn't bring their 0:16:29.360 --> 0:16:32.600 own doctors to the game. They rented a doctor at 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:35.920 that spot. They gave the guy. His pay was two 0:16:36.040 --> 0:16:38.920 tickets to the game. They sat in the stands and 0:16:39.120 --> 0:16:42.080 if you needed them, they were supposed to come down. Right. Well, 0:16:42.120 --> 0:16:45.440 the guy they they had there said, hey, I'm watching 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:48.640 the game. I'll be down there at halftime. So he's 0:16:48.680 --> 0:16:51.520 in the locker room breathing in pain, and the doctor 0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:56.560 shows up at halftime. Yeah right, absolutely, it's like no 0:16:56.720 --> 0:16:59.440 record to help them out, you know. And he goes, 0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:02.200 that's why my shoulders screwed up. You know. He was 0:17:02.840 --> 0:17:05.639 he was a piece of work man. And remember and 0:17:05.720 --> 0:17:07.760 you know what might have been around Yeah, he would 0:17:07.760 --> 0:17:09.679 have been around him. I need have been growing up 0:17:09.840 --> 0:17:12.480 around the Cowboys. And the reason Dick came back to 0:17:12.560 --> 0:17:14.679 the Cowboys is when he was a head coach at 0:17:14.680 --> 0:17:17.480 San Francisco. If you remember, I think it was two 0:17:17.560 --> 0:17:20.080 years in the row. The Cowboys eliminated him from the 0:17:20.160 --> 0:17:23.520 playoffs early seventies, right, and they fired him. So the 0:17:23.600 --> 0:17:28.080 Cowboys were responsible for him coming back. That that was 0:17:28.160 --> 0:17:31.120 in seventy one seventy two, I believe, so those two years. 0:17:31.160 --> 0:17:34.720 That was my first Cowboys game, and they played the 0:17:34.800 --> 0:17:37.440 Niners and they were to go to the stadium watch 0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:41.439 him returned the kickoff if I'm I'm the opening kickoff 0:17:41.480 --> 0:17:45.280 for a touchdown Vick Washington. That was the first Cowboy 0:17:45.400 --> 0:17:48.119 game really the only Cowboy game I ever attended until 0:17:48.119 --> 0:17:50.840 I played. Really it's funny that you mentioned that game. Well, 0:17:50.840 --> 0:17:53.960 I didn't realize that Dig Nolan was the head come Yeah. Absolutely. 0:17:54.160 --> 0:17:55.840 And then and then one of those games was the 0:17:57.160 --> 0:18:00.080 famous game where the Starbock had the comeback in the 0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:02.000 last two minutes. That was that was the thirty to 0:18:02.080 --> 0:18:06.120 twenty eight. Well, now that was out on the road. Yeah, 0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:07.600 that was there they want That's when they had the 0:18:07.600 --> 0:18:10.000 turf out there right in San Facis. Might have been 0:18:10.040 --> 0:18:12.119 at keys Oar Stadium. I think I just remember the 0:18:12.240 --> 0:18:14.600 offensive lineman rolling all on the ground like they were crazy. 0:18:14.640 --> 0:18:19.800 I think celebrates exactly. That's exactly right. Um, you know 0:18:19.960 --> 0:18:25.840 but Mike McCarthy. It's interesting when you that the tie 0:18:26.000 --> 0:18:29.879 that Mike McCarthy has with the Jason Garrett era and 0:18:30.160 --> 0:18:32.720 going back to the Wade Phillips era, he seven and 0:18:32.880 --> 0:18:36.359 three in his career against Dallas is for is first 0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:38.680 two times he coached against the Cowboys in OH seven 0:18:39.040 --> 0:18:41.560 and O eight they were losses for green Bay. And 0:18:41.680 --> 0:18:44.200 he's seven and one since the two thousand and ten season, 0:18:44.560 --> 0:18:46.520 and of course, in that two thousand and ten season, 0:18:46.600 --> 0:18:49.440 Wade phillips last game is Cowboys head coach was the 0:18:49.520 --> 0:18:51.960 forty five to seven loss at green Bay, and Jason 0:18:52.000 --> 0:18:55.720 Garrett became the coach. Then you you then fast forward 0:18:55.880 --> 0:18:59.800 eight games, and in fact, it was nine years ago 0:19:00.280 --> 0:19:05.000 yesterday that Jason Garrett was announced as the head coach 0:19:05.040 --> 0:19:07.760 of the Cowboys after serving as the interim head coach. 0:19:07.880 --> 0:19:11.240 And that this month is also when Mike McCarthy and 0:19:11.359 --> 0:19:13.800 the Packers went on their four game role to win 0:19:13.920 --> 0:19:16.840 the Super Bowl at AT and T stadiums. Crazy two 0:19:16.880 --> 0:19:19.760 crazy playoff losses. You think did Dez catch it? Do 0:19:19.760 --> 0:19:21.520 you think that was a question in the interview. Give 0:19:21.560 --> 0:19:26.199 him the other part of it. Fourteen and sixteen, all right, 0:19:26.640 --> 0:19:30.080 give him your tweet. All right, the the when you 0:19:30.200 --> 0:19:32.760 look and I stole it so and I gave you credit. 0:19:32.880 --> 0:19:36.920 By the way, when you look at Jason Garrett, Mike McCarthy, 0:19:37.160 --> 0:19:41.960 okay since two thy fourteen. Okay, Garrett's record as head 0:19:42.000 --> 0:19:45.440 coach of the Cowboys fifty six and forty during that time, 0:19:45.960 --> 0:19:48.480 and McCarthy, of course at being let go with four 0:19:48.560 --> 0:19:50.960 games left in the twenty eighteen season and coaches many 0:19:51.000 --> 0:19:53.440 games at forty three thirty two and one was his record. 0:19:53.480 --> 0:19:56.520 So Garrett with a better regular season record the difference 0:19:57.200 --> 0:20:01.000 in the postseason. McCarthy has a four in three records 0:20:01.040 --> 0:20:05.680 since twenty fourteen, Garrett's record is two and three. Turn 0:20:05.760 --> 0:20:09.480 around the the two playoff wins that Green Bay had 0:20:09.520 --> 0:20:13.760 against Dallas the Dez Catch game in twenty fourteen, the 0:20:13.960 --> 0:20:16.920 Rogers to Jared Cook Mason Crosby fifty one yard field 0:20:16.960 --> 0:20:19.399 goal to want to win the game in two thousand 0:20:19.400 --> 0:20:21.800 and sixteen, and Jason Garrett might still be the head 0:20:21.800 --> 0:20:24.840 coach of the Dallas calf now he's still he would be. 0:20:25.000 --> 0:20:27.600 It would be ye as the Cowboys would have gone 0:20:27.640 --> 0:20:32.119 to two come back in that game. Eighteen. Yeah, I 0:20:32.200 --> 0:20:34.200 wrote that this morning. There's a lot of would have 0:20:34.240 --> 0:20:36.760 could have when his with his tenure here. I mean, 0:20:36.960 --> 0:20:39.240 if Romo hadn't gotten hurt in twenty fifteen, if Romo 0:20:39.240 --> 0:20:42.280 hadn't gotten hurt before the season finale in twenty thirteen, 0:20:42.359 --> 0:20:44.159 with the division on the line, there's a lot. But 0:20:44.280 --> 0:20:47.280 that's the NFL. It's a fine line. You're seeing it 0:20:47.359 --> 0:20:50.880 in these playoffs. There's not much difference between and done. 0:20:51.160 --> 0:20:54.440 You still ended up with one of the most talented 0:20:54.520 --> 0:20:56.840 teams you can have in the NFL. So we can 0:20:57.240 --> 0:20:59.920 lament about Romo. Well you got that. You can lament 0:21:00.000 --> 0:21:02.000 it's about Oh we have the Marco Murray. Well now 0:21:02.040 --> 0:21:04.200 you got Zeke. Yeah, you can lament about all that. 0:21:04.320 --> 0:21:07.320 Now we have this great offensive line. Yep. So all 0:21:07.359 --> 0:21:09.160 of that just lend us to where we are. 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