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Speaker 1: Star in Frisco. Now, your hosts Nicky Spagnola, Rob Phillips,
Speaker 1: Everson Walls, and Bill Jones. Well, Rob Phillips, you may
Speaker 1: have seen him just walk in just in the nick
Speaker 1: of time. We've got a new coach, they are, and
Speaker 1: and Rob Phillips walks in like he uh like he
Speaker 1: doesn't care that there's a new regime here, that there's
Speaker 1: a lot of things happing mind right off the bat
Speaker 1: here by the news He's got other things, right, guys,
Speaker 1: that's you have to understand. But I apologize to everything
Speaker 1: because you do not like tardiness. I do not. You
Speaker 1: are not tarty. You are right on time. And while
Speaker 1: do we have a lot to talk about on this
Speaker 1: edition of Talking Cowboys. Yeah, we're now we're back to
Speaker 1: the off season mode of one show a week, and
Speaker 1: so Tuesday at Love at am is going to be
Speaker 1: our time slots. Good with that, right, I'm good. I'm
Speaker 1: good with it. Okay, you know, my tues is a
Speaker 1: really very busy, but yeah, I put some time aside.
Speaker 1: There you go. It's been a it was a busy
Speaker 1: weekend for some people here at the Star, and so
Speaker 1: I guess we just start where would you like to start.
Speaker 1: It's not officially announced that there's a new head coach
Speaker 1: of the Dallas Cowbum. I'm just glad it's it's being done.
Speaker 1: I'm glad the process has started because you guys are
Speaker 1: so thirsty, man, the media, it's so thirsty. What is
Speaker 1: happening here? It happened now. I wanted now, wow, wow, wow,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to wait till tomorrow, I think on
Speaker 1: the press conference or announcement. I'm I'm very happy that
Speaker 1: it happened quickly because in our business, reportedly happened quick Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: reportedly happened quickly because in our business, they want to
Speaker 1: fill airtime with all sorts of speculation. And I didn't
Speaker 1: want some two or three week drawn out process where
Speaker 1: we're having to chase people like ten like last ten
Speaker 1: candidates last time. I don't even want a two or
Speaker 1: three day process. Man, you guys didntmand him. Glad I
Speaker 1: didn't try to marry one of you guys. Actually, now
Speaker 1: that is fashion. Now what was happening? It's the Twitter
Speaker 1: world we live in, I guess so, and uh in
Speaker 1: the very latest this afternoon, of course we'll get into
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy and what's going on here. But I mean,
Speaker 1: this morning, Matt Rule leaves Baylor. He's going to the
Speaker 1: Carolina Panthers. Wow. Yes, stuff. And on the heels of that,
Speaker 1: Joe Judge is the new head coach of the New
Speaker 1: York Giants. And all of a sudden, and it starts
Speaker 1: with the reports of Mike McCarthy but coming to Cowboys
Speaker 1: head coach, follows up with Caroline and the Giants, and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the only job out there is
Speaker 1: Cleveland now, and then they stay out there for a while.
Speaker 1: So I thought I had just read where Matt Rule
Speaker 1: was staying at Baylor. Well, that's what leading up to
Speaker 1: his game against Georgia, that's what we said. He was
Speaker 1: saying that he would he had told his team, you know,
Speaker 1: I'll entertain. You know, if someone offers you, I think,
Speaker 1: as he put at fourteen million dollars to go talk someplace,
Speaker 1: then wouldn't you do that? And as it turns out,
Speaker 1: have you seen the money? I saw five years, No, no,
Speaker 1: seven years, sixty millions. Yes, well that's not ten million
Speaker 1: a year. No it's not, but it s sorry, it's
Speaker 1: not ten I go back to a nice place. So
Speaker 1: there you go, guys. We need to we need to
Speaker 1: have more shows. If we got all this info, all
Speaker 1: this stuff, all right, so let's go back to talking
Speaker 1: cowboys and what happened over the course of the last
Speaker 1: week and over the weekend, and uh, score around the horn,
Speaker 1: and what's your reaction to what what you know? Making? Well? Um,
Speaker 1: I had said all along, how whoever they hired, I
Speaker 1: didn't want a head coach coming in practicing on my dime.
Speaker 1: I wanted a guy that had been a head coach
Speaker 1: and had NFL experience. And so I think that Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy checks off those two boxes, um, And not to mention,
Speaker 1: he's been pretty successful. And the thing I like about
Speaker 1: it that if you had to get a coach who
Speaker 1: was not coaching, he hadn't been out more than a year.
Speaker 1: I worry about guys that have been out three, four
Speaker 1: or five years, and then they forget how hard it
Speaker 1: is to be a head coach, how hard you have
Speaker 1: to work to be successful, As they were previously, so
Speaker 1: I think he checks those boxes. And then my question was, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's fine. Now who's your defensive coordinator? And it's sounding
Speaker 1: like it's Mike Nolan, who's been the linebackers coach at
Speaker 1: New Orleans, So if that goes through, I thought that
Speaker 1: would be his major hire. Who's going to take care
Speaker 1: of a defense that needed taking care of? Well, you
Speaker 1: think Rob I agree with that. We'll see what happens
Speaker 1: with Nolan, and obviously the McCarthy stuff, they've got to
Speaker 1: announce all that, but it's obviously sounds like it's heading
Speaker 1: in that direction. And I agree with what Mickey said,
Speaker 1: what I've been saying since the end of the year.
Speaker 1: If they made the decision to move on from Jason,
Speaker 1: you're gonna pay Dak Prescott a ton of money coming up,
Speaker 1: whether it's on the franchise tag or a long term deal.
Speaker 1: There's not a better and it available that's worked with quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: Then Mike McCarthy. I know Lincoln Riley's out there, bright,
Speaker 1: young mind, all that, but McCarthy's experience goes back to
Speaker 1: Joe Montana in ninety four, Brett Farve, Aaron Rodgers, and
Speaker 1: I think he deserves credit for Aaron Rodgers development as
Speaker 1: well as Aaron Rodgers gives credit for what Green Bay
Speaker 1: has done as a team. I think it's a really
Speaker 1: good hire. It's it's guys ready made to step in
Speaker 1: and produce. And I'm honestly not surprised that this is
Speaker 1: coming together as fast as it is because you know,
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones didn't commit to Jason Garrett past this season,
Speaker 1: so you have to think he would have a short
Speaker 1: list of guys ready to go, and Mickey alluded to
Speaker 1: in two thousand and seven when they interviewed a ton
Speaker 1: of guys. Bill Parcel's blindsided Jerry and said, you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm done after the sixth season, and Jerry had to
Speaker 1: scramble and find a guy. It's pretty clear I think
Speaker 1: he knows who he knew pretty early on. This guy
Speaker 1: wanted to be I'll tell you he did not want
Speaker 1: another plus else. God, he did not want that, and
Speaker 1: that's what he got. He got a guy that's not
Speaker 1: He's not a part sales guy. He's a coach with experience,
Speaker 1: successful coach. You would think that those complaints that we've
Speaker 1: had about Jason Jarrett and his coaching staff, all of
Speaker 1: that would be remedied with a guy like McCarthy, who
Speaker 1: was known to be just a meticulous coach in all areas.
Speaker 1: That's a good thing. The other good thing about it
Speaker 1: is he can deal with Jerry Jones. He can let
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones do what he wants to do. McCarthy is
Speaker 1: good with just being this coach that can just handle
Speaker 1: the team. Jerry as a distraction to most head coaches.
Speaker 1: I think McCarthy has the experience to wait, it wouldn't
Speaker 1: bother him. I think he can work his way around that.
Speaker 1: In regards to any circus atmosphere that people anticipate coming
Speaker 1: from Jerry Jones. The only thing I will say about
Speaker 1: it is the Marvin Lewis attempt. Whatever you want to
Speaker 1: call that, Marvin, mar Yeah, I'm getting old guys. I
Speaker 1: want anytime I think skin you can correct me anytime
Speaker 1: you want. If that was just a typical Rooney rule attempt,
Speaker 1: it was weak. There are some great coaches out there,
Speaker 1: African American coaches that if they really were serious about that,
Speaker 1: I think they could have gone so many other different ways.
Speaker 1: I thought that was just a for lack of a
Speaker 1: better term, I thought that was just a token effort
Speaker 1: to get to even interview Marvin Lewis. I'm just kind
Speaker 1: of disappointed about that. However, I am happy about the
Speaker 1: McCarthy hiring if it's official, and when it's all said
Speaker 1: and done, we're worried about the time and how long
Speaker 1: it took. Okay, guys, here we are. Okay, here we are.
Speaker 1: We got them. I think we got them. If we
Speaker 1: got them, we got them. Wow, we have so much
Speaker 1: more time in the off season. Everyone was in a
Speaker 1: hurry to get this done. I'm glad he did it
Speaker 1: on his own terms. When a few times I agree
Speaker 1: with Jerry in regards to procedure, they talked about him
Speaker 1: not one shouldn't be a gem how to get that okay,
Speaker 1: But I thought that him taking his own sweet time
Speaker 1: was his prorogative and I had no problem with it.
Speaker 1: And isn't it kind of funny that everybody was criticizing
Speaker 1: him for dragging along not doing something, and then basically
Speaker 1: he was the first one to do something, and now
Speaker 1: all the other dominoes fell either the Cowboys did McCarthy,
Speaker 1: which along those lines, I think when you look at
Speaker 1: the timing of the Jason Garrett, the announcement that Jason
Speaker 1: Garrett would not be they would not pursue an extension
Speaker 1: on Garrett, which was came on Sunday afternoon, and then
Speaker 1: immediately the next morning it comes out that McCarthy is
Speaker 1: the guy. I think that truly that Jerry talked with
Speaker 1: Jason throughout the week and that he gave Jason an
Speaker 1: opportunity to state his case for keeping the job. And
Speaker 1: I truly believe that that Jerry valued what Jason brought
Speaker 1: to this organization as a head coach and in all
Speaker 1: aspects of what a head coach is supposed to do.
Speaker 1: And I think that he truly felt like, until I
Speaker 1: can interview the guy that I want, which was McCarthy,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not ruling out the possibility that Garrett
Speaker 1: might come back. And it wasn't until he got comfortable
Speaker 1: that Mike McCarthy was his guy. And the other part
Speaker 1: of it, now that we see these other dominoes falling,
Speaker 1: the fact that it had it waited a week before
Speaker 1: that decision was made. It did not cost Jason Garrett
Speaker 1: getting these other jobs, because he was not going to
Speaker 1: get the Carolina job or the Giant's job. Obviously, they
Speaker 1: were going into different directions I thought that was a
Speaker 1: lot of panic over nothing. It really did. And I'm
Speaker 1: glad you said that because I said that yesterday that
Speaker 1: I don't think it was a coincidence that as soon
Speaker 1: as he officially said we're moving on from Jason, that, oh,
Speaker 1: let's hire Mike McCarthy. I think he wanted a bird
Speaker 1: in hand before he moved on from Jason. I thought
Speaker 1: that all last week that he's no, he has a
Speaker 1: known commodity right here in Jason Garrett and until he
Speaker 1: has a sit down with whoever his uh the guy,
Speaker 1: his number one choice was he doesn't know what that
Speaker 1: dynamic is gonna be. Like, Yeah, a lot of that
Speaker 1: was cries from fans and even media that you nice
Speaker 1: and Watt media missed the playoffs, so you get him
Speaker 1: out of here. On Monday, he says if Jason was
Speaker 1: stealing money from them, yeah, was like, hey, get rid
Speaker 1: of him that, right. I can't believe me him. Right.
Speaker 1: If someone to be so oh my god, so hateful
Speaker 1: to a person you don't even know, it's it's it
Speaker 1: was incredible. And yeah, I agree with you guys. I
Speaker 1: think Jerry was gonna and Steven they were gonna take
Speaker 1: a big picture. Look at this thing after the season.
Speaker 1: Think about how much he invested in Jason Garrett Yea
Speaker 1: since two thousand and seven. He he was hired before
Speaker 1: Wade Phillips on the staff in two thousand and seven.
Speaker 1: He was kind of the chosen one. I think. I
Speaker 1: think Jerry wanted this to be a guy here for
Speaker 1: twenty years plus and it just it didn't work out.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I didn't think that he was going to
Speaker 1: make a rast decision right after the season. I think
Speaker 1: we all kind of saw the writing on the wall.
Speaker 1: But again, he's got a coach under contract until January fourteen.
Speaker 1: Just kind of see see where you want to go here?
Speaker 1: And you know, ultimately they go in another direction. And
Speaker 1: I think Jason probably last Monday when he walked in
Speaker 1: the door, he probably expected that he was going to
Speaker 1: be let go. It might have been even surprised that
Speaker 1: he still had an opportunity to lobby for the job
Speaker 1: the last week, and they probably set it up with hey,
Speaker 1: there are other openings, giants, job is up. Whatever, if
Speaker 1: you want to go pursue those, go pursue those. But
Speaker 1: as Jason said in his postgame comments right after the
Speaker 1: last game, I want to be the head coach of
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys and then Jerry gave me the opportunity
Speaker 1: to him to at least that's right. Yeah, absolutely, as
Speaker 1: far as Jason's got guts, yeah, I get that. You know.
Speaker 1: The other part of that is there's a maturity about
Speaker 1: him too. I mean because a lot of people would
Speaker 1: would see the riding on the wall out the door. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, that's why he was hide in the first place,
Speaker 1: because that's not in his DNA. Right. Um. Now, as
Speaker 1: far as McCarthy goes, and you know, it's interesting when
Speaker 1: you look at his track record and then let go
Speaker 1: by Green Bay thirteen months ago and the way he
Speaker 1: spent the last year in preparing for his next opportunity
Speaker 1: and preparing to interview for his next opportunity, it's he
Speaker 1: was not away from football the last year. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: I'm assuming and you guys know this. When a coach
Speaker 1: comes in for an interview, part of the question is, Okay,
Speaker 1: how are you going to put your staff together? Who
Speaker 1: you got who's in your back pocket? Like, who's going
Speaker 1: to be your defensive coordinator. I don't think he got
Speaker 1: the job and started going oh, okay, who's out there? Right?
Speaker 1: He knew where Mike Nolan was, and he'd work with
Speaker 1: him before, work with him in San Francisco as his
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator, and and it's like he was only a
Speaker 1: linebacker coach. So I'm sure he had that planned out,
Speaker 1: and he probably had other positions planned out too. We'll
Speaker 1: see what happens once they have the official press conference,
Speaker 1: which I don't think will be any later than Wednesday.
Speaker 1: So tomorrow is there a chance today? I don't think so. Okay,
Speaker 1: So you're you're calling wednesday on, I'm gonna callday. The
Speaker 1: other thing on Mike Nolan is, I mean, this is
Speaker 1: a guy with thirty three years experience coaching in the
Speaker 1: National Football League. Twenty one of those years is either
Speaker 1: a head coach or as a coordinator. I mean, he
Speaker 1: has a lot of experience as a defensive coordinator in
Speaker 1: this league. And of course, Dick Nolan, his father, the
Speaker 1: late great Dick Nolan, was a Cowboys defensive coordinator going
Speaker 1: back to the sixties, then became the head coach of
Speaker 1: the San Francisco forty nine ers, and then came back
Speaker 1: to the Cowboys and he was your position coach. Was
Speaker 1: a guy, he was one of those old school guys. Man.
Speaker 1: We had all kind of jokes about him. I tell
Speaker 1: you kids, he was just had a great sense of humor. Uh.
Speaker 1: He forgot more football than anybody at this table or
Speaker 1: even in this building whatever. Though. He was extremely experienced
Speaker 1: and he was he was a players coach. He had
Speaker 1: been there before. He knew the difficulties that came along
Speaker 1: with playing for the Dallas Cowboys and that flex defense
Speaker 1: because he and Tom Landry actually, if I'm not mistaken,
Speaker 1: they played together in New York New York Giants, right,
Speaker 1: So so he had all kind of jokes about funny, funny,
Speaker 1: funny story about Dick Nolan because I remember talking to
Speaker 1: him several I just loved talking. He was a great guy.
Speaker 1: He was. He was the first Marlborough man on the
Speaker 1: big board in in Times Square. Really yeah wow, and
Speaker 1: that once a lot of people do not know. I
Speaker 1: saw a picture a good looking guy playing for the
Speaker 1: New York Giants, right, and so a lot of cigarettes.
Speaker 1: Like the last I think it was the last year
Speaker 1: that he was with the Cowboys. He's walking down the
Speaker 1: hallway at the ranch and he's all been over his
Speaker 1: shoulder and I was like, Dick, I said, what's the
Speaker 1: deal with that shoulder. He goes, I'll tell you what
Speaker 1: the deal is. So he tells me the story that
Speaker 1: they're they're playing at Cleveland and he injures. He injures
Speaker 1: his shoulder right during the game, goes to the locker
Speaker 1: room and the doctor. Back then, they didn't bring their
Speaker 1: own doctors to the game. They rented a doctor at
Speaker 1: that spot. They gave the guy. His pay was two
Speaker 1: tickets to the game. They sat in the stands and
Speaker 1: if you needed them, they were supposed to come down. Right. Well,
Speaker 1: the guy they they had there said, hey, I'm watching
Speaker 1: the game. I'll be down there at halftime. So he's
Speaker 1: in the locker room breathing in pain, and the doctor
Speaker 1: shows up at halftime. Yeah right, absolutely, it's like no
Speaker 1: record to help them out, you know. And he goes,
Speaker 1: that's why my shoulders screwed up. You know. He was
Speaker 1: he was a piece of work man. And remember and
Speaker 1: you know what might have been around Yeah, he would
Speaker 1: have been around him. I need have been growing up
Speaker 1: around the Cowboys. And the reason Dick came back to
Speaker 1: the Cowboys is when he was a head coach at
Speaker 1: San Francisco. If you remember, I think it was two
Speaker 1: years in the row. The Cowboys eliminated him from the
Speaker 1: playoffs early seventies, right, and they fired him. So the
Speaker 1: Cowboys were responsible for him coming back. That that was
Speaker 1: in seventy one seventy two, I believe, so those two years.
Speaker 1: That was my first Cowboys game, and they played the
Speaker 1: Niners and they were to go to the stadium watch
Speaker 1: him returned the kickoff if I'm I'm the opening kickoff
Speaker 1: for a touchdown Vick Washington. That was the first Cowboy
Speaker 1: game really the only Cowboy game I ever attended until
Speaker 1: I played. Really it's funny that you mentioned that game. Well,
Speaker 1: I didn't realize that Dig Nolan was the head come Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: And then and then one of those games was the
Speaker 1: famous game where the Starbock had the comeback in the
Speaker 1: last two minutes. That was that was the thirty to
Speaker 1: twenty eight. Well, now that was out on the road. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was there they want That's when they had the
Speaker 1: turf out there right in San Facis. Might have been
Speaker 1: at keys Oar Stadium. I think I just remember the
Speaker 1: offensive lineman rolling all on the ground like they were crazy.
Speaker 1: I think celebrates exactly. That's exactly right. Um, you know
Speaker 1: but Mike McCarthy. It's interesting when you that the tie
Speaker 1: that Mike McCarthy has with the Jason Garrett era and
Speaker 1: going back to the Wade Phillips era, he seven and
Speaker 1: three in his career against Dallas is for is first
Speaker 1: two times he coached against the Cowboys in OH seven
Speaker 1: and O eight they were losses for green Bay. And
Speaker 1: he's seven and one since the two thousand and ten season,
Speaker 1: and of course, in that two thousand and ten season,
Speaker 1: Wade phillips last game is Cowboys head coach was the
Speaker 1: forty five to seven loss at green Bay, and Jason
Speaker 1: Garrett became the coach. Then you you then fast forward
Speaker 1: eight games, and in fact, it was nine years ago
Speaker 1: yesterday that Jason Garrett was announced as the head coach
Speaker 1: of the Cowboys after serving as the interim head coach.
Speaker 1: And that this month is also when Mike McCarthy and
Speaker 1: the Packers went on their four game role to win
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl at AT and T stadiums. Crazy two
Speaker 1: crazy playoff losses. You think did Dez catch it? Do
Speaker 1: you think that was a question in the interview. Give
Speaker 1: him the other part of it. Fourteen and sixteen, all right,
Speaker 1: give him your tweet. All right, the the when you
Speaker 1: look and I stole it so and I gave you credit.
Speaker 1: By the way, when you look at Jason Garrett, Mike McCarthy,
Speaker 1: okay since two thy fourteen. Okay, Garrett's record as head
Speaker 1: coach of the Cowboys fifty six and forty during that time,
Speaker 1: and McCarthy, of course at being let go with four
Speaker 1: games left in the twenty eighteen season and coaches many
Speaker 1: games at forty three thirty two and one was his record.
Speaker 1: So Garrett with a better regular season record the difference
Speaker 1: in the postseason. McCarthy has a four in three records
Speaker 1: since twenty fourteen, Garrett's record is two and three. Turn
Speaker 1: around the the two playoff wins that Green Bay had
Speaker 1: against Dallas the Dez Catch game in twenty fourteen, the
Speaker 1: Rogers to Jared Cook Mason Crosby fifty one yard field
Speaker 1: goal to want to win the game in two thousand
Speaker 1: and sixteen, and Jason Garrett might still be the head
Speaker 1: coach of the Dallas calf now he's still he would be.
Speaker 1: It would be ye as the Cowboys would have gone
Speaker 1: to two come back in that game. Eighteen. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: wrote that this morning. There's a lot of would have
Speaker 1: could have when his with his tenure here. I mean,
Speaker 1: if Romo hadn't gotten hurt in twenty fifteen, if Romo
Speaker 1: hadn't gotten hurt before the season finale in twenty thirteen,
Speaker 1: with the division on the line, there's a lot. But
Speaker 1: that's the NFL. It's a fine line. You're seeing it
Speaker 1: in these playoffs. There's not much difference between and done.
Speaker 1: You still ended up with one of the most talented
Speaker 1: teams you can have in the NFL. So we can
Speaker 1: lament about Romo. Well you got that. You can lament
Speaker 1: it's about Oh we have the Marco Murray. Well now
Speaker 1: you got Zeke. Yeah, you can lament about all that.
Speaker 1: Now we have this great offensive line. Yep. So all
Speaker 1: of that just lend us to where we are. Well,
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm in the Game of Torones episodes.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm branding the brokenness. I mean because that
Speaker 1: you are where you are right now. So all of
Speaker 1: that stuff was meant for you to be right here
Speaker 1: right now. You had your chance, you blew up down
Speaker 1: and so ultimately, yeah, you're just off your wins and losses.
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Speaker 1: and again we Mickey has speculated that we might have
Speaker 1: a press conference tomorrow to announce the new head coach
Speaker 1: of the Dallas Cowboys. We're talking about what's gone on
Speaker 1: here in the last week and how it quickly came
Speaker 1: together over the weekend. As reportedly, Mike McCarthy, you're a
Speaker 1: new head coach of the Dallas Cowboys. And it's interesting
Speaker 1: as he's putting the staff together. We've talked about Mike
Speaker 1: Nolan as a defensive coordinator. Reports this morning about Kellen
Speaker 1: Moore that McCarthy is interested in keeping Kellen Moore on
Speaker 1: his staff, but Kellen apparently has an opportunity perhaps at
Speaker 1: the University of Washington where and so we'll see what
Speaker 1: happens with Kellen Moore, What would you do an offensive coordinator? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I stick around and being almost somebody like coach McCarthy.
Speaker 1: To me, that would be an opportunity I would not
Speaker 1: pass up. I'm already in the pro game. I'm already
Speaker 1: with the Dallas Cowboys. To me, it wouldn't even be
Speaker 1: a ladle step going to YouTube, I would imagine. Of course,
Speaker 1: a head coaching job in colleges is more amazing now
Speaker 1: than it ever was. But if I'm already with the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: here we are. We have a chance to us or
Speaker 1: redeem myself from last year. And I do it with
Speaker 1: a coach with that much experience, someone I could learn from.
Speaker 1: Even if if the head coach is calling plays, Yeah,
Speaker 1: of course I want him to call plays because I
Speaker 1: can learn from him. I can see the mistakes that
Speaker 1: I made and clearly there were something And I think
Speaker 1: with Killing it also kind of depends on where he
Speaker 1: wants to go in his career. Does he see himself
Speaker 1: down the road as a college coach or an NFL coach?
Speaker 1: He really doesn't matter that much, But if he wanted
Speaker 1: to make some inroads along those lines, maybe, But he
Speaker 1: if he even if he wants to be a college
Speaker 1: coach someday, he will benefit from learning, as you say,
Speaker 1: from a young guy. I don't really see a young
Speaker 1: guy going from being a professional coach and then transferring
Speaker 1: to college. Usually it's an older coach who's about to
Speaker 1: get out of the league. Hey, I can do this
Speaker 1: college game because you know, mentally it's a little bit
Speaker 1: like on the load, but also you have experience you
Speaker 1: can impart on your younger players. I don't really see
Speaker 1: a younger coach going from pros as an OC and
Speaker 1: then saying, my future is in college once I'm a
Speaker 1: bit by this bug and the professional bug, this is
Speaker 1: what I want to stay with. That's that's just my opinion.
Speaker 1: And you don't have to recruit right. Man. Come on
Speaker 1: now in Washington, he'll obviously be the guy calling plays right.
Speaker 1: That'll be his job here. Even if they leave him
Speaker 1: as offensive coordinator, he's going to be doing all the
Speaker 1: legwork for Mike McCarthy, who's overseeing him. That's how you learn,
Speaker 1: and that's how that's how you learn, and that gives
Speaker 1: him an opportunity to see how another coach does things
Speaker 1: and steal amound all this talent on right right, Yes, absolutely,
Speaker 1: and have some input. I would imagine, you know, he's
Speaker 1: going to pick his brain if he right. Yeah, you've
Speaker 1: been here, you know, you know the talent, and you
Speaker 1: study it together, and he could learn a heck of
Speaker 1: a lot. But again, I guess it's what your kind
Speaker 1: of priority is going forward. Do you want to be
Speaker 1: a college coach? Well, if you're OC and you're successful there,
Speaker 1: then you get an opportunity to get a college job
Speaker 1: for sure. And John Kitna, what do you anticipate might
Speaker 1: be happening there? I would think you keep him as
Speaker 1: a quarterback coach. I keep him. I think he worked
Speaker 1: really well with the quarterbacks, and uh, I would I
Speaker 1: think you have You can't wipe out the host staff.
Speaker 1: You need to keep some holdover guys, and those guys
Speaker 1: would not be a threat to me. I remember Jimmy
Speaker 1: Johnson talking about when he went to Miami and he
Speaker 1: was only allowed to bring one guy with him. I
Speaker 1: think it was Butch Davis. And there was a lot
Speaker 1: of backstabbing going on on that staff because there were
Speaker 1: guys on that staff that thought they should have been
Speaker 1: the head coach of the University of Miami and it
Speaker 1: was a bad situation. And I remember Jimmy saying, he goes,
Speaker 1: I realized I made a mistake and I would never
Speaker 1: make that mistake again, because when he came to the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: it's like, I'm bringing my guys with me. But that
Speaker 1: was a different situation, right, that was a team that
Speaker 1: needed to be rebuilt. And I remember, I mean, ever
Speaker 1: sudden remembers they the college. Joe's right, what do they
Speaker 1: know about the NFL? Well at one fifteen, everyone thought, yeah,
Speaker 1: we told you that. Then each year they got better
Speaker 1: and better. I remember coming here in nineteen ninety. I
Speaker 1: was with the Giants and we won the role. We
Speaker 1: came through and I couldn't wait for payback and all
Speaker 1: they kind of crept. And I remember after the game
Speaker 1: we won the game, and after the game, LT sitting
Speaker 1: on the bench and he looked tired, and you know,
Speaker 1: Texas heat, That's what I thought it was. I said,
Speaker 1: hey boy, you all right? He goes, uh, Hey, man,
Speaker 1: those guys are pretty good. And that was that was
Speaker 1: That was your two. That was your two. He said, man,
Speaker 1: those guys are pretty good. And when he said that,
Speaker 1: he knew that that team had the potential to go
Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl. I've never seen him look like
Speaker 1: that after a game. And if I remember that game
Speaker 1: was in the middle of that three game they had
Speaker 1: a three game losing streak. I think, uh, and I
Speaker 1: think that got him to like four and seven or
Speaker 1: three and seven, and then they won four straight seven
Speaker 1: and seven. In an update on Jason Garrett, reports came
Speaker 1: out this morning that the Giants were requesting permission to
Speaker 1: talk with Garrett. I know they have to request permission. Well,
Speaker 1: it's not the fourteenth year. Yeah, it's right there. And
Speaker 1: initially when those reports came out, it was assumed that
Speaker 1: it was for the head coaching position, and they immediately
Speaker 1: on the heels of that came out that Joe Judge
Speaker 1: is being hired as the head coach. And the clarification
Speaker 1: is that they are talking with Jason Garrett about the
Speaker 1: offensive course Judge wide receiver coach and special team special
Speaker 1: and special teams, and he is being interviewed for the
Speaker 1: head coaching job now he is, So we're finalizing our
Speaker 1: details here. Is that? What are you saying? So, what
Speaker 1: do you think the reaction is in the New York
Speaker 1: Daily News? Exactly? Ill it because it's Joe Judge, it's
Speaker 1: New York. Yeah, I mean, but it's also typical New York.
Speaker 1: The reaction is, of course New York. You know, the
Speaker 1: decision is typical New York giants right now, they don't
Speaker 1: know what they're doing. I'm just sorry that. I'm sorry, guys.
Speaker 1: I know, Judge, I'm sure he's a great guy, but
Speaker 1: he must be a heck of a wide receiver coach,
Speaker 1: lead teams guy. And look what he's doing and looking
Speaker 1: at Joe Judges resume. He never clarified. He is thirty
Speaker 1: eight years old. He's worked for some good heead went
Speaker 1: to Mississippi State. He was a graduate assistant Mississippi State,
Speaker 1: then a linebackers coach at Birmingham Southern. Then he was
Speaker 1: under Nick Saban at Alabama. You're familiar with that course,
Speaker 1: of course. He was a special team's assistant under Saban
Speaker 1: oh nine to twenty eleven. He became a special teams
Speaker 1: assistant with New England twenty twelve through fourteen, became the
Speaker 1: special teams coordinator UH twenty fifteen through eighteen. In fact,
Speaker 1: he's been the special teams coordinator ever since, in the
Speaker 1: last five years, and just became and just added just
Speaker 1: added the title wide receivers coach this season, so he
Speaker 1: was not only the special teams coordinator, but also lost
Speaker 1: all those wide receivers in New England this year and
Speaker 1: they lost a bunch of Hookay, you're now the wife
Speaker 1: receiver's coach for him, I mean no doubt, which explains
Speaker 1: why at the end of that Patriots game the other night,
Speaker 1: Julian Edelman was back there supposed to be the punt
Speaker 1: return guy, and then someone on the sideline, I don't
Speaker 1: know if it was Joe Judge told him to go
Speaker 1: cover the gunner over here because we're trying to block
Speaker 1: the punt. And then, don't you know, Bill Parcels was
Speaker 1: yelling at the TV when they get the punt away
Speaker 1: and there's no return to either field the punt or
Speaker 1: or just to for the yardage or for the time
Speaker 1: on the clock, and it grows down the one yard.
Speaker 1: But remember he was the mastermind of not putting a
Speaker 1: guy back against exact boys exactly, and then the Cowboys
Speaker 1: had to call time out. It's like, what the hell
Speaker 1: is going on. He was also the mastermind of putting
Speaker 1: Matthew Slater over Joe Thomas, who hadn't practiced all week
Speaker 1: and he beat him and blocked the punt that beat
Speaker 1: the cowege? Are you giving Bill belichicker Joe Judge credit
Speaker 1: Joe Judge. Oh stop, it starts the paths pipeline. As
Speaker 1: long as Belichick's there, they're gonna get Well, that's just
Speaker 1: because that's the weather was in New England for every time.
Speaker 1: But can you imagine the criticism that Jason Garrett and
Speaker 1: Keith O'Quinn would have got on the on the television
Speaker 1: broadcast if they didn't have a punt return guy back
Speaker 1: for that punt. Can't have enough judges in New York. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is all right. Um, what other aspects of the
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy hire, um, intrigue you impending higher? Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: would intrigue you reportedly. I mean obviously the dynamics between
Speaker 1: he and uh Dak Chriscott. Yeah, they're gonna have to
Speaker 1: be strong. I would be very excited to see what
Speaker 1: he really feels about working with a young quarterback like
Speaker 1: this all over again. Uh he and uh Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1: At the end, you said he got fired not mid season,
Speaker 1: but late season, four games to go at the time,
Speaker 1: rising fire. The timing of it was so I'm sure
Speaker 1: trying to deal with another prima donna is not on
Speaker 1: his list. As far as dealing with quarterbacks. I think he'll,
Speaker 1: I think he'll have a pleasant experience dealing with an
Speaker 1: eager Dak Prescott. If I'm Dad, I'm I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: this guy he coached Aaron Rodgers, Brett farre on the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, but at far I'd be man. I'd be
Speaker 1: sitting up here on approach waiting on him to come out,
Speaker 1: press right right. And they had FARV has a serious
Speaker 1: XM radio show, and he was talking about how he
Speaker 1: McCarthy would adapt his style to the quarterback. He did
Speaker 1: that with Montana. I mean, he wasn't in a position
Speaker 1: of directly he's on the staff, but then working with
Speaker 1: Farv and Rogers, knowing what those guys liked and tailoring
Speaker 1: it to their strengths, and so he thinks he thinks
Speaker 1: it's a good fit reportedly for McCarthy's coming here and
Speaker 1: do that. But it's yeah, It's just the other thing
Speaker 1: to me is if if this indeed gets official, what
Speaker 1: happens with the offensive staff and the and the dynamics there,
Speaker 1: because I know they like Kellen Moore here but McCarthy's
Speaker 1: basically run the offense in Green Bay short of maybe
Speaker 1: one season or part of one season. So how would
Speaker 1: that work out? Well, you know, you're just talking one
Speaker 1: year of of Kellen Moore being oct right. To me,
Speaker 1: the adjustment shouldn't be that difficult. I mean that was
Speaker 1: something new, the adjustment was this past year. To me,
Speaker 1: I think it's I would feel a bit of a
Speaker 1: comfort zone. Uh, Kellen might be a little bit more
Speaker 1: ambitious than me. He might think, you know, his toes
Speaker 1: are getting stepped on. I don't know. But if i'm
Speaker 1: if I'm Kellen, I'm thinking, you know, this is a
Speaker 1: chance for me to have a cushion. You know, I
Speaker 1: have a coach here that can really bail me out
Speaker 1: if I'm in a particular situation. I can't get out though,
Speaker 1: And as a matter of fact, I would love to
Speaker 1: put the training wheel training wheels back on Keller Moore
Speaker 1: right now and let let McCarthy take over, and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be in the passenger seat trying to learn all
Speaker 1: I can. To me, that's it's just an opportunity for
Speaker 1: the young people here on this staff. And we have
Speaker 1: a bunch of young people it's a chance for the
Speaker 1: young people lady keeps on this staff to get better
Speaker 1: at what they're doing, because, of course, last year we
Speaker 1: saw so much chaos. Now you you're going to see
Speaker 1: a different way of preparing for a football game that
Speaker 1: just might enhance your ability as a coach and make
Speaker 1: you more valuable to your team. Yeah, and you know what,
Speaker 1: and I don't know. I mean, it'll be different than
Speaker 1: if McCarthy's calling play. But he didn't have carte blanche
Speaker 1: effect on this offense, right. Jason Garrett was still kind
Speaker 1: of over what was going on during the week. I am.
Speaker 1: I never saw him say a word on the side.
Speaker 1: He just said quite a bit. Okay, yeah, not just
Speaker 1: in anchor now, yeah, right, what do you do? None
Speaker 1: of that? Yeah, And I know there was some suggestions
Speaker 1: along the way, so um, but now, yeah, we talked
Speaker 1: about it already. Rob. We were just kind of pointing out,
Speaker 1: you know, when you're the head coach, it's hard to
Speaker 1: do all the coordinator stuff, the leg work during the week,
Speaker 1: putting the script together for practice and putting the you know,
Speaker 1: kind of putting the game plan on paper, and then
Speaker 1: you know, then you kind of turn it over That's
Speaker 1: what I mean. That's what Parcels did here. Right. He
Speaker 1: had all these guys that were put doing the leg
Speaker 1: work during the week, and then he called the place
Speaker 1: you got certain coaches at the clipboard coaches. Jason Garrett
Speaker 1: was not a clipboard right, right, McCarthy is, if I'm
Speaker 1: not mistaken, McCarthy, I was looking carry the little board
Speaker 1: with him, all right. McCarthy's staff at the Packers in
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, he had a pass game coordinator, quarterbacks coach,
Speaker 1: run game coordinator as well. Yeah and so, and he
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Speaker 1: Today of the day? Any other well, any other aspect
Speaker 1: of the hired The potential hiring of Mike Marthy McCarthy tomorrow,
Speaker 1: can't get here soon? Or yes, intrigue you I've got something.
Speaker 1: If you don't, I always set yourself well that wants
Speaker 1: to quickly worry about what's going to happen defensively. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's to me, that's what I'm worried. I mean, you're
Speaker 1: you're talking about hiring a coordinator. But okay, what about line? Yes, linebacker? Second?
Speaker 1: And how did how did he do with in Green Bay?
Speaker 1: You know what was his style in Green Bay? What?
Speaker 1: What was it? Who was his care papers? He ran
Speaker 1: a three four with Don Caper Dom Caper and they're
Speaker 1: gonna run a forty three with Mike Nolan and used
Speaker 1: to be head coach of Carolina. Right, No one's done
Speaker 1: both though, Right, he's run three four and four three.
Speaker 1: He was back with the Ravens back in the early ots. Yeah,
Speaker 1: two to four. If you if you run a three four,
Speaker 1: you're in a lot of nickels. So there's a lot
Speaker 1: of four man line and there's an a lot of
Speaker 1: hybrid stuff, a lot of hybrid stuff. Look at the Patriots,
Speaker 1: what they do? I have a call. They played a
Speaker 1: lot of man to man in Green Bay that I
Speaker 1: do with call but they don't have three to four
Speaker 1: personnel Cowboys. Yeah. Yeah, they don't have the big defensive
Speaker 1: ends that play the three up front. I think Tyron
Speaker 1: Crawford could be a defensive end maybe in that scheme
Speaker 1: if he's healthy and he needs to get heavier though, yeah,
Speaker 1: because he slimmed down right last year and he has
Speaker 1: to be healthy. And they don't have enough linebackers for
Speaker 1: four three. I mean, what is right now? What does
Speaker 1: Nolan play? What does Nolan coach? He's forty three the usually, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he was the linebacker coach. I mean, I guess
Speaker 1: you could be the coordinator linebacker coach. Double up, uh,
Speaker 1: and then you would need to see what you're gonna
Speaker 1: do with the secondary and what you're doing on the
Speaker 1: defensive line. And there's you know, guys that have been
Speaker 1: here for a while. You know, does he does he
Speaker 1: keep Leon let On? Does he keep Andre Gerard, who,
Speaker 1: by the way, had knee surgery, got injured at practice
Speaker 1: the last week of the season, rolled rolled up on God,
Speaker 1: I didn't see him on the injury report. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: ever since, right, it's every level of the defense, they
Speaker 1: got question marks with personnel, regardless of it's unbelievable. It's
Speaker 1: not unbelievable, but it's it's a lot of questions. And
Speaker 1: Robert Quinn leaves, what's your top draft need? Is it
Speaker 1: to go get an edge rusher? Is it? Or a
Speaker 1: stand up outside whatever they're gonna do, bra Jon. They
Speaker 1: took care of that with Tristan Hill last year. Right,
Speaker 1: you need not not not yet, not yet, you need
Speaker 1: not only really linebacker. But I believe the only linebackers
Speaker 1: that are not free agents are Jalen Smith and Layton
Speaker 1: Vanderish right, and then in the secondary, Byron Jones is
Speaker 1: a free agent. Jeff Heath is a free agent. C J.
Speaker 1: Goodwin's a free agent. Who am I missing? I think
Speaker 1: Daryan Thompson might. Darren Thompson's a free agent. Every time
Speaker 1: I think of Jeff Heath, I think of Dick Nolan now,
Speaker 1: but the should remember that's the way Jeff's gonna be
Speaker 1: looking at about twenty years. Yeah, Malie Collins is a
Speaker 1: free agent. So really, I mean, with as many questions
Speaker 1: they have on the roster, it might be an opportune
Speaker 1: time to reshape the defense. You're gonna have to reshape
Speaker 1: the defense. No, he's a free agent. Yep. Oh, I
Speaker 1: got clar down that. By the way he's been at
Speaker 1: he's put him in the unrestricted category. Okay, then when
Speaker 1: March comes, he'll be he's in that group. It's not
Speaker 1: right now, right, but yeah, he's his time's up. And
Speaker 1: I mean, who knows, he's thirty four. What does he
Speaker 1: want to do? You know, does you want to keep
Speaker 1: playing or does he want to stay close to home?
Speaker 1: I always thoughts from these Texas Yeah, he's sort of
Speaker 1: been a rental player here in the last several years
Speaker 1: of his career, right, you know, he may not catch
Speaker 1: on with the team until Layton to you know, get
Speaker 1: closer to training camp. Guy different because where did he go? Philadelphia?
Speaker 1: Philadelphia for six games and then you're here. Yeah. So,
Speaker 1: And by the way, Kyle Yeoman's informs me that when
Speaker 1: Mike Nolan was most recently a defensive coordinator at Atlanta,
Speaker 1: it was a four three defense of course, okay, mix right.
Speaker 1: I mean I think that what they have that makes
Speaker 1: the most sense. But you got to figure this, They've
Speaker 1: got a lot of hard decisions to make them. I
Speaker 1: don't called Mike Nolan being a great DC at all.
Speaker 1: I don't even remember he's been a lot of different places. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I don't call them you're talking to Atlanta. I
Speaker 1: don't we call them being that effective. I'm guessing that's
Speaker 1: why he got the head coaching job. But that was
Speaker 1: the Ravens and oh two through oh four, and I'm
Speaker 1: about to look them up along the other The other
Speaker 1: lines that I want to bring up about coaching is
Speaker 1: when you look at, Okay, the Cowboys. This is since
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen, the Cowboys have the eighth best record of
Speaker 1: the National Football League and of course just one coach
Speaker 1: during that time. The top twelve teams regular season records
Speaker 1: in the National Football League since twenty fourteen, New England
Speaker 1: obviously has the most wins Number two Kansas City, three Seattle, four, Pittsburgh,
Speaker 1: five Green Bay with Mike McCarthy primarily during that time,
Speaker 1: six New Orleans, seven, Minnesota, eight, Dallas, nine Baltimore, ten Philadelphia,
Speaker 1: eleven Houston, and twelve Carolina. All Right, those twelve teams,
Speaker 1: what is the common denominator there? They basically have had
Speaker 1: one head coaches. In fact, there's only two of those
Speaker 1: twelve teams that have had multiple head coaches since two
Speaker 1: thy fourteen, and that would be Green Bay. McCarthy was
Speaker 1: there until four games left in the twenty eighteen seasons,
Speaker 1: so then one year of Matt Lafleur, and then Philadelphia
Speaker 1: had Chip Kelly in fourteen and fifteen, and then Doug
Speaker 1: Peterson took over in twenty sixteen. All Right, the bottom
Speaker 1: twenty teams record wise since two thy fourteen, twenty teams
Speaker 1: have gone through fifty two head coaches, Bill, you have
Speaker 1: anything else to do? Fifty two head coaches for twenty
Speaker 1: teams over six seasons, and the top twelve have gone
Speaker 1: through fourteen head coaches. So there's something to be said
Speaker 1: for continuity in the national area has always said that,
Speaker 1: And how many of those top twelve now have retained
Speaker 1: their same coaches? Well, and then now Carolina just Carolina.
Speaker 1: Carolina just changed Dallas just changed Green Bay a year ago,
Speaker 1: and that's it. That's it. Yeah, So the bottom line
Speaker 1: is what did you do for me? Now? The bottom
Speaker 1: line is the regular season doesn't mean crap if you
Speaker 1: can't win in the playoffs. Well, and most of those teams,
Speaker 1: most of those you look at the playoff record of
Speaker 1: those teams, I'm sure it's gonna switch a little bit. Well, actually,
Speaker 1: even if you look at some teams on the let's say,
Speaker 1: let's say the rain here we go. I got the
Speaker 1: playoff record since twenty fourteen. Since twenty fourteen, New England
Speaker 1: twelve and three in the playoffs with three Super Bowl wins. Okay,
Speaker 1: Kansas City two and four in the playoffs. Okay, Andy Reid.
Speaker 1: That's why Andy Reid gets criticized in the playoffs. Seattle
Speaker 1: Pete Carroll four and four in the playoffs since twenty fourteen,
Speaker 1: with a Super Bowl loss. Pittsburgh Mike Tomlin three and
Speaker 1: four in the playoffs, Green Bay Mike McCarthy. He is
Speaker 1: four and three with two wins over the Cowboys. Otherwise
Speaker 1: he'd be two and three, like Jason should be. New
Speaker 1: Orleans Sehn Peyton, Sean Payton two and four in the playoffs.
Speaker 1: Now we're blame the West for that since twenty fourteen.
Speaker 1: Minnesota Mike zimmer is now three and two in the playoffs. Okay,
Speaker 1: Phila Dallas two and three with Garrett Baltimore Harball one
Speaker 1: and two in the playoffs since twenty fourteen. Then you
Speaker 1: had Philadelphia, of course won it. I didn't. Four and two.
Speaker 1: Is Doug Peterson now four and three with the loss
Speaker 1: this week, Houston O'Brien is, I had him down as
Speaker 1: two and three. I'm not sure if I updated it
Speaker 1: after the playoff win, that would put him at three
Speaker 1: and three, and then Ron rivera three and three. Interesting now,
Speaker 1: but the bottom twenty there's not very much in the
Speaker 1: way of playoffs, so there's not much of a discrepancy
Speaker 1: between that's a successful Super Bowl wins versus down here
Speaker 1: and that exactly exactly. It's such a fine line between
Speaker 1: winning and losing in this line so much. But I
Speaker 1: said this on their podcast yesterday, the difference and why
Speaker 1: ultimately one reason why they've banned the change, I'm sure
Speaker 1: is they've been on this roller coaster of make the playoffs,
Speaker 1: miss the playoffs throughout Jason Garrett's tenure here, and you
Speaker 1: look at teams like Baltimore and then the NFC Philly
Speaker 1: and New Orleans the last three years Seattle. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to who else makes makes it? Saints. They give themselves
Speaker 1: chances in the tournament over and over again. That's what
Speaker 1: they're trying to do super Bowl. How many all these
Speaker 1: teams that we're talking about, if won won, Yes, but
Speaker 1: it's hard to do. But trying to give yourself chance
Speaker 1: after chance. That's what you're trying to do. Here's the
Speaker 1: difference between these teams and Jason Garrett. Prior to twenty fourteen,
Speaker 1: those coaches won Super Bowl, you know, yeah, and he
Speaker 1: went eight. Nandy Reid hasn't, right because he's in Philadelphia before. Okay,
Speaker 1: Kansas City's another one though. Pete Carroll has, Mike Tomlin has,
Speaker 1: Michael MacCarthy has has John Harbaugh who is just one
Speaker 1: in two since twenty fourteen has won a Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: though Doug Peterson has. What about Jim Harbaugh? And well
Speaker 1: he lost to his brother in the Super Bowl and
Speaker 1: every year he's got to deal with the New England
Speaker 1: Patriots and a bunch of those Super Bowl wins are
Speaker 1: ten years old, right, yeah, right, But the difference, there's
Speaker 1: the difference. These are the Dallas Cowboys. That's it. That
Speaker 1: is the only difference. Yes, so right mate, That's where
Speaker 1: the focus is Nationally, that's where the focus is. And
Speaker 1: the word is expectations and that's that's that's the key word.
Speaker 1: And some of what Jason Garrett had to pay for
Speaker 1: it has been twenty five years old. It's not his
Speaker 1: fault that they hadn't been back to a super Bowl
Speaker 1: since ninety five. There's been a lot of coaches. A
Speaker 1: lot of coaches had a hand in that, right how
Speaker 1: many Sweatzer, Chan, Gaily, Campbell, ourselves, Bill and Wade. That's five.
Speaker 1: I forget anybody got everybody since when they hired Jason Garrett,
Speaker 1: it was a promise that I think it was. That
Speaker 1: was the promise from Jerry Jones that this is the
Speaker 1: change they we're gonna make. This is the guy. He's
Speaker 1: our typical Dallas cowboy. We always like being hired from
Speaker 1: within because he was a quarterback for the Cowboys. So
Speaker 1: the expectation there early on was that he's my this
Speaker 1: is my guy right here. All the other guys we
Speaker 1: got these problems. You know, the coaches didn't like Bill Parcells,
Speaker 1: Chan Gailey didn't have the talent. No, Jason gats gonna
Speaker 1: come in here. He knows this team, he knows this organization.
Speaker 1: We know him, and there was a safety zone that
Speaker 1: we had created to where the expectation was gonna be
Speaker 1: we're gonna get to the super Bowl with with this guy,
Speaker 1: but we're gonna get it. And they handed him on
Speaker 1: one in seventeen yeah, and they did spend the early
Speaker 1: part of his tenure rebuilding the offensive line and all that.
Speaker 1: But you do look at the end of this tenure
Speaker 1: and they still The last time they made back to
Speaker 1: back postseason appearances was two thousand and seven. You know,
Speaker 1: it's been a long time, and this is the only
Speaker 1: year they didn't have an excuse. There were excuses well
Speaker 1: every prior to that. And I agree with you, like
Speaker 1: I said, he's been unlucky in a lot of ways.
Speaker 1: But Mike McCarthy has had Aaron Rodgers break his collarbone
Speaker 1: two and where did they go? They had a losing record,
Speaker 1: well and didn't go to the playoffs. Mick, we could
Speaker 1: nickpick every team that doesn't have things go their way
Speaker 1: over here. No, but I'm saying you mentioned, you mentioned McCarthy,
Speaker 1: and I'm saying there was a he had a losing season.
Speaker 1: Jason had this thing on a roll. They had what
Speaker 1: three consecutive winning seasons. This was the this was the one.
Speaker 1: It's like I said, what did you do for me? Now?
Speaker 1: Expectation right, because of expectations right period. No one else's
Speaker 1: expectations are as lofty as as the Cowboys are every year,
Speaker 1: and this year was even more special because we put
Speaker 1: the money out there. I mean, think about when McCarthy
Speaker 1: didn't go to the playoffs in twenty seventeen, when when
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers got hurt. Who was the quarterback? Some guy
Speaker 1: named Hunley Brett, Hunley Brett Hunley UCLA. Okay, So when
Speaker 1: the Cowboys missed in twenty fifteen with Romo, who were
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks? Right? Castle, serious, Castle, they should have stuck
Speaker 1: with Whedon. Oh boy, you bring up those names year? Right?
Speaker 1: They went four and twelve for a reason. Let's put
Speaker 1: that out of my mind. Almost put that out of
Speaker 1: my mind after that. Okay, on that note, we move on,
Speaker 1: we do. Okay, We're gonna have a press converse see
Speaker 1: what tomorrow brands and the very near future, and we'll
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