1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Welcome 2 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: back to the show Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always 3 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:35,879 Speaker 1: so much for tuning in. Tigers, Tigers, Tigers, Man, I 4 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: am excited about this. I hope are super producer. The 5 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: one and only Mr Max Williams is excited as well. 6 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: Who am I? I'm Ben Noel. Tigers Tigers, Tigers burning 7 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: bright or at least one burning pretty bright? Not in 8 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: the was it forest of the night? Been in the 9 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 1: streets of London town And what better introduction is there 10 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 1: for part two of our show on Charles jam Rock 11 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 1: in eighteen fifty seven, at the high point of his success, 12 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:11,760 Speaker 1: he gets his crown jewel, a fully grown Bengal tiger 13 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 1: that came to England from the East Indies. This takes 14 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: us to that morning we talked about the very top, 15 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 1: the morning of October when the tiger and several other 16 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 1: large feelines by the way arrives at the Belt Street Nagerie. 17 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:34,040 Speaker 1: It arrives in London and it immediately escapes because it's 18 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 1: in this large crate that has um. If you picture, 19 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: it's got three solid wood sides and then it's got 20 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:46,119 Speaker 1: one side with thick iron vertical bars across the front, 21 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: and jam Rock has gone to this place in person 22 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: because he wants to supervise the logistics of moving this 23 00:01:55,600 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 1: tiger from its transport crate to its permanent enclosure. And 24 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: so he says, Okay, let's position the crate so the 25 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 1: bars are placed against the wall of the yard while 26 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 1: we're getting its permanent home ready. And that sounded pretty safe, right, 27 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: You got iron bars, you got it against the wall. 28 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 1: But the thing is, jam Rock didn't have a lot 29 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 1: of experience with the power of a fully grown tiger. 30 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: And they're absolute beast and they're brilliant. I love tigers, 31 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 1: by the way, and they were gonna, as he says 32 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: later in an issue of a magazine called The Boy's 33 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: Own Papers, yes seventy nine, I love these titles, uh, 34 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: he says, he talks about this. He says, they mean 35 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 1: the workers were proceeding to take down a dead with 36 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 1: leopards when all of a sudden I heard a crash, 37 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 1: and to my horror, found the big tiger and pushed 38 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 1: out the back part of his dead with his hind quarters. 39 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 1: He kind of donkey kicked it, you know, and was 40 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: walking down the odd into the street. Which was then 41 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:04,959 Speaker 1: full of people watching the arrival of this curious merchandise. Dude, 42 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: this reminds me of the opening scene of Jurassic Park, 43 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 1: you know, and they're like transporting the velociraptor paddock or whatever. 44 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: Maybe that was another up with the paddock of the 45 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: thing they're actually living. Um, this was like a grate, 46 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 1: you know, and then you sort of see all this 47 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: crawfuffle and then the thing gets out. You just hear 48 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 1: the sounds and then people are like, you know, murdered 49 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:24,359 Speaker 1: or whatever. This is like a little bit less sci 50 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: fi version of that, but yeah, can you imagine seeing 51 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:33,359 Speaker 1: this fully grown, absolutely monstrous tiger just kind of sauntering 52 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: down the high street? Yeah, yeah, that is a breathtaking image. 53 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 1: I think the closest I've seen to that is a 54 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: few years ago when a zebra got loose from the 55 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: Atlanta Zoo and was out in the city. Um, but 56 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: this this stuff does happen, uh, And a zebra is 57 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 1: still a wild animal, don't mess with them, but it's 58 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 1: not as likely to malu as a tiger. So this 59 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 1: is like, uh, increasingly escalating situation and just gets worse 60 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: and worse because the tiger who as you noticed, kind 61 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 1: of sauntering around like oh this is there's a different environment, 62 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:13,839 Speaker 1: sees a nine year old boy. Because the boy, who 63 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 1: has also had no experience with the tiger to to 64 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 1: this kid, it's just a big cat. So he tries 65 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 1: to reach out and just give the cat a little pet. 66 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 1: As it's walking past, the tiger notices it. The tiger 67 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: turns and then uh, the the tiger slaps the kid 68 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:37,160 Speaker 1: across the face, knocking him down, picks him up by 69 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 1: his jacket, and it just like starts dragging him down 70 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: the street. It's the shoulder of his jacket, I think. 71 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 1: And the kid is is freaking out. Uh. And then 72 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 1: jam Rock and again there might be some bias here 73 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: because jam Rock is telling his own story to the boy, 74 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:58,839 Speaker 1: his own paper. Uh, he says, he springs into immediate action, Yeah, 75 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 1: he says. When I saw the boy being carried off 76 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:03,280 Speaker 1: in this manner and witnessed the panic that had seized 77 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 1: hold of the people, without further thought, I dashed after 78 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 1: the brute. I was then of a more vigorous frame 79 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 1: than now, uh, and had plenty of pluck and dash 80 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 1: in me. So just again into like kind of like 81 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 1: sum up what was happening. We we say the tiger 82 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 1: had the boy in his mouth, but it's almost like cartoonist, right, 83 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 1: Like the tigers like holding the boy by like the 84 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 1: scruff of his jacket, right, and that's what's in his mouth, 85 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 1: and it's holding the boy up, but he has not 86 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 1: actually sunk his teeth into the actual you know kid, 87 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 1: in the kid's body. Um. So at this point it's 88 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 1: absolute pandemonium. The crowds dispersing, people are running for their lives. 89 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:44,719 Speaker 1: Jam Rock, you know, sprinting in his more uh youthful 90 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: limber form as he put it, or vigorous rather sprinting 91 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:53,360 Speaker 1: after the tiger. Um. He throws himself onto the tiger's back. 92 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 1: I mean, this is some pretty heavy type stuff if 93 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 1: it wasn't like, you know, his fault in the first place. Um. 94 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 1: And he grabs the tiger and by the scruff of 95 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 1: his neck, like I mean, that seems like a little 96 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 1: bit of a wasted effort. Uh. And and understandably it 97 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:09,479 Speaker 1: doesn't do much. The tiger is incredibly strong and it's 98 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:13,039 Speaker 1: like you know, mechanical bull style tosses jam Rock off 99 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 1: his back uh and into the streets and retains hold 100 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: of the boy in his teeth. Yeah, yeah, And so 101 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: this is a panic moment, uh Max, I know you've 102 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: got some action music here. This is a panic moment. 103 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 1: Jam Rock tries a second time to stop the tiger, 104 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: and this is when he gets creative. He tries to 105 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:36,599 Speaker 1: trip it and it works, and you know, it's lost 106 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 1: to history about how he manages to trip it, but 107 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 1: I like to picture him just sticking his foot out. 108 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:46,599 Speaker 1: But as the tiger falls to the ground, jam Rock 109 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:49,280 Speaker 1: then jumps back on its back and he puts his 110 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 1: hands around its neck and he's trying to strangle it. 111 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:55,479 Speaker 1: And as he's trying to put it to sleep, one 112 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:59,160 Speaker 1: of the workers from his menagerie yard runs over and 113 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 1: hits it three times over the head with a crow 114 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: bar right between the eyes, and then this causes the 115 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: tiger to release the kid his jaws opened, and then 116 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 1: at this point jam Rock says, you know, I thought 117 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 1: the tiger was dead or it was dying, so I 118 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 1: let go of it. And as soon as I did, 119 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 1: it jumped back up again. And then he's like, oh no. 120 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 1: When he grabbed the crowbar, and he says, I gave 121 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: him with all the strength I had left a blow 122 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: over the head. He seemed quite cowed. He turned tail. 123 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 1: He went back towards the stables. I drove him into 124 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 1: the yard, closed the doors at once. Looking around for 125 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 1: my tiger, I found he snuck into a large empty den. Uh. 126 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 1: Two of my men had jumped into an elephant's box. 127 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: They descended. They pushed down the the iron, sighting for 128 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 1: the door, and so now the tiger was safely under 129 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 1: lock and key. The boy is uninjured. They say the 130 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: tiger is uninjured, but that tiger took three massive blows 131 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 1: to the head with a crow bar, just to give 132 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 1: you a sense of how rough these dudes are. Now, Listen, 133 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: I'm not like some kind of like with the top 134 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 1: Peter person. I believe in animal rights. Like obviously it's 135 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 1: a very very important thing. These are living creatures that 136 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: need to be treated with respect. I think sometimes the 137 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: Peter folks go a little far. But in this case, 138 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: this is literally a situation that was caused by jam 139 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 1: Rock himself and his capitalization and essentially victimization of these 140 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 1: creatures that would never have had to be dealt with 141 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: in this way if he hadn't to put them in 142 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 1: that situation in the first place. So essentially he was 143 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 1: Like I I used the word heroic earlier. That was 144 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 1: absolutely incorrect. I mean, the guy is essentially trying to 145 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: keep himself and having to deal with a pr nightmare 146 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: and in doing so, you know, absolutely bludgeoning to death 147 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 1: this uh, this incredible creature that he put in harm's 148 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 1: way and everyone else in harm's way because he took 149 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 1: this thing out of its normal context and it's not 150 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 1: meant to be roaming the streets of London or like 151 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 1: you know, traveling around him crates. Yeah, in my opinion, 152 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: the tiger here is just as much uh, the victim 153 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:03,199 Speaker 1: as the boy. It's not the first time a tiger 154 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: had been loose on that same street. One escaped from 155 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 1: one of those traveling menagerie as we mentioned back in 156 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 1: eighteen thirty nine. George George Well womb Well that's his 157 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: real name, folks, George well womb Wells traveling Menagerie. Their 158 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:21,839 Speaker 1: tiger got loose. Uh. Yeah, the kid just had some 159 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 1: scratches and probably a headache and a heck of a 160 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:34,959 Speaker 1: story for his schoolmates. There is one interesting wrinkle. The 161 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 1: BBC points this out in uh When Wild Beast Roam 162 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 1: The UK BBC News piece. They note that, you know, 163 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 1: there was a lot of racism involved in the British 164 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: Empire at the time, and England in eighteen fifty seven 165 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 1: was in the grid of a panic because of the 166 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: Indian Mutiny, and a tiger was a symbol of India, 167 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: so it was an especially symbolic frightening thing to see 168 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:07,479 Speaker 1: this tiger and loot loose in London, and one newspaper 169 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: account from the time even explicitly drew this connection. But 170 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: at this point, the tiger survived, jam Rocks survived, He 171 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 1: had a little bit of a Liam Nisson esque story 172 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 1: to tell his friends, and the child survived. But what 173 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 1: happens after Well, the boy's father sues jam Rock, and 174 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 1: jam Rock has to pay a grand total of three 175 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: hundred pounds sixty pounds compensation, two forty pounds legal costs. 176 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:47,680 Speaker 1: We've got an inflation calculator on this, I think good. Yeah, 177 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 1: so about sixty pounds by today's standard would be about 178 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:54,439 Speaker 1: seven grand, and two hundred and forty pounds would be 179 00:10:54,520 --> 00:11:00,320 Speaker 1: around twenty eight thousand, five hundred dollars. So at this way, Ben, 180 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: wouldn't you say that jam Rock himself because of his success? Uh? 181 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 1: And um relationships with all of these like super super 182 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 1: upper crest folks. He would have been pretty upper crest 183 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 1: at this point, right. Oh yeah, he was making money, yeah, 184 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 1: and was essentially protected from any real um ramifications for 185 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 1: this incident. This was an utter slap on the wrist 186 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: of that. Yeah, it's not breaking the bank for him 187 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 1: at all. Also, it's kind of it's darkly hilarious to 188 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: me that they're like, Okay, seven thousand dollars is are 189 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 1: sorry about the tiger money and uh, the almost thirty 190 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 1: thou dollars just administrative fees. You know, it's like buying 191 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: from ticketmaster. Uh, I said it. But the the judge, Uh, 192 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: it's interesting the point you made, because the judge himself 193 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: was conflicted because yeah, this is a dangerous incident. It 194 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 1: is jam Rock's fault. But he also said, you know, 195 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 1: this guy, on the other hand, should have been rewarded 196 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 1: for saving not just the life of this nine year old, 197 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 1: but maybe that of a lot other people. Because look, 198 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: I I don't know how in shape you are, but unarmed, 199 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 1: I guarantee you you cannot you cannot win a one 200 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:14,560 Speaker 1: on one against the Tiger. Um A. Nope, not not 201 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: not in a foot race, not an arm wrestling, certainly 202 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: not in hand to paw combat. Uh, you are going 203 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 1: to lose. I just looked it up. Like according to Google, 204 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 1: like a Bengal tiger is like three ten to four pounds. Yeah, 205 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:30,679 Speaker 1: this is a massive Like there are like of like 206 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 1: you know cats. This is about as big of a 207 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: cat as that comes. Yeah. Just uh yeah, just for perspective, 208 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 1: if you if you want to think of it this way. 209 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 1: A tiger is incredibly strong animal. It can carry something 210 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: like five hundred and fifty ms ten ft up a 211 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: tree for all of us in the US is one thousand, 212 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:58,319 Speaker 1: two hundred and twelve pounds. That's what do you even lift? Cat? Bro? 213 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: You know what I mean, That's what the tiger would 214 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 1: ask you. So this is not the end of jam 215 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 1: rocks financial standing nor of his career. Like you said, 216 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 1: it doesn't break his bank. The tiger later gets sold 217 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 1: to that George Wombwell guy. And I've seen his name 218 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 1: as George Well Wombwell and George Wombwell, but I love 219 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 1: George Well womb Well, so I hope that's his real name. Uh. 220 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 1: This guy made money off of that incident. Just like 221 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 1: we said with the the earlier folks who said, oh 222 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 1: look this lie and actually killed someone. This is the 223 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:36,960 Speaker 1: tiger that escaped and roamed the streets, menacing the good 224 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 1: people of London town. He even swallowed a bar whole. 225 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 1: Just ain't the whole boy? Yeah, I mean, let's let's 226 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:45,560 Speaker 1: let's not that the facts stand on the way of 227 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 1: a good story, right exactly. And then jam Rock even 228 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 1: partners so he expands his collection. His business is still growing, 229 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 1: his client list is still growing. He eventually gets P. T. 230 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 1: Barnum as a client and helps Barnum restock his circus 231 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:06,680 Speaker 1: after a fire. But while he is succeeding, his business 232 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 1: is succeeding in specific, in general, the exotic animal trade 233 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:15,680 Speaker 1: is starting to die down. People are less and less 234 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 1: interested in exotic animals, or not as much as they 235 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 1: have been in the past. Jam Rock passes away of eight, 236 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 1: and just like what happened with his father, his son 237 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: Albert takes over after his death. But then we see 238 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 1: the outbreak of World War one. World War one absolutely 239 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 1: demolishes the international trade networks that made this animal trade possible. 240 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 1: So the company closes down and this ends the chapter. Well, 241 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 1: this ends the main chapter on the life of London's 242 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 1: Tiger King. He's gone, but he's very much not forgotten. 243 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 1: I'm so sorry to be the bearer of bad news, 244 00:14:57,280 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 1: but I do believe it was a type of the 245 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 1: gentleman's name is George Wombwell, not George Well walm Well, 246 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 1: but Well walm Well. Oh. I mean it needs to 247 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 1: be kept because it's incredible. I just wanted to make 248 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: sure people weren't googling it and beating their head against 249 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:14,359 Speaker 1: the wall because you're not gonna find it. But uh, 250 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 1: it's a it's a fantastic type of that shell live 251 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 1: on in our hearts. Okay, listen, Well, I think we've 252 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 1: been at some logger heads in this episode. First I'm 253 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 1: gonna say those restaurants are named after Charles jam Rock, 254 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 1: and secondly, i'm gonna say his name was George Well Walmwell. 255 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: Because I want to live in a world with some magic, 256 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 1: and I want to live there with you, buddy, I 257 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 1: want to live there with you. Uh far be it 258 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 1: for me to suck any magic out of the world. 259 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 1: We need every little ounce that we can. But jam 260 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 1: rocks memory does remain today. You can find a statue 261 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 1: commemorating his contribution to the culture of Victoria, England. Uh. 262 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: And well, I guess I don't know if I would 263 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: can entirely call it selfless, but his rescue of that boy, 264 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 1: you know that he himself was responsible putting in harm's way. 265 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 1: There is a set even foots tall bronze tiger that 266 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 1: stands in the entrance to Tobacco Dock. Uh. And that's 267 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 1: very close to where the incident took place, and it's 268 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 1: memorialized also with like a little plaque. But this was 269 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 1: not the only time that jam Rocks business potentially threatened 270 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 1: the safety and well being of others, right, Oh yeah, 271 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 1: lions and tigers and bears, oh my, also raccoons so 272 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 1: so uh in eighteen seventies seven July of eighteen seventy seven, 273 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 1: there's his report in the East London Observer And you 274 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 1: can read this reference in a great article by london 275 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 1: This dot com that talks about how one of jam 276 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 1: Rocks other tigers escaped from a train on the London 277 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 1: and Northwestern Railway in a village called Whedon near Northampton. Uh. 278 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 1: And then three lions escaped from his shop and found 279 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 1: his wife Mary in a nearby parlor. Uh. He managed 280 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 1: to he managed to yell like marry lions in enough 281 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 1: time for her to close the door. Thanks hone, Thanks 282 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 1: good looking out that door there. Okay, okay, back to 283 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: back to what I was doing. Yeah, he he did. 284 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 1: He did manage to to lock all the lions back 285 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 1: up in a second bedroom, um where they stayed until 286 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: he was able to get a handler to come and 287 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 1: get them. Um, because he you know, well he was 288 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:28,959 Speaker 1: I guess he he had a certain set of skills, right, 289 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:32,640 Speaker 1: He was not necessarily a lion tamer or a handler. 290 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:35,160 Speaker 1: He employed you know, folks that were much more hands 291 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:37,400 Speaker 1: on with the with the animals. Um. But he did 292 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 1: seem to have to kind of jump to attention a 293 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 1: couple of times. And we also know that he had 294 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: a raccoon that was known to have escaped from his care. 295 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 1: Probably not didn't make quite as good a story. Um. 296 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:51,879 Speaker 1: We know the raccoons are pretty pretty tricksy though, right. 297 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:54,880 Speaker 1: They can like they get their little hands were crafty. 298 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:57,680 Speaker 1: They can like unlatched doors and stuff I would imagine, 299 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:02,120 Speaker 1: and they can walk, uh, they can walk bipedally. Briefly, 300 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:06,440 Speaker 1: you've probably seen that video of a raccoon stealing cat 301 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:08,879 Speaker 1: food in front of some cats. But when they do, 302 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:11,879 Speaker 1: they always look like they're scheming. That's the thing about raccoons. 303 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 1: They look like the scheming. They look like they got 304 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 1: you know, they're always doing this kind of Monty Burns thing, 305 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 1: rubbing their hands together. Uh. I say that out of love, 306 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 1: but uh there there is something else interesting we found too, 307 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:28,639 Speaker 1: which is an economic look at this. And I just 308 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 1: picked one example that I thought would be a fun 309 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 1: walk through. So we said he had a lot of stock. 310 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 1: He he had more than just tigers, he had zebras, leopards, ostriches, bears, 311 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:41,879 Speaker 1: polar bears, et cetera. You name it. If the if 312 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 1: you had the scratch, he could probably get it for you. 313 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 1: So we found a article from the time that is 314 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 1: available at the East End dot code dot UK which 315 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 1: shows the prices of animals on offers, so you can 316 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: find those prices. And I just thought we could do 317 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 1: a quick example of this. So Nola Max Ny are 318 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 1: looking at this list and the prices seem kind of odd, 319 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 1: so I wanted to do a couple of steps. I 320 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 1: just took one example. So a polar bear, if you 321 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 1: wanted to buy one from jam Rock, was twenty five 322 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 1: pounds twenty five pounds nowadays is thirty three dollars and 323 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:27,880 Speaker 1: five cents. So I thought, how much is thirty three 324 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:31,439 Speaker 1: dollars and five cents in eighteen fifty seven? If we 325 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:39,679 Speaker 1: can hit me with the book perfect, that is a 326 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: grand total of Now this is weird, guys. Get this. 327 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 1: That's a grand total of one thousand, fifty five dollars 328 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: and eight cents, which is less than like a high 329 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 1: end Mac laptop. So that's a crazy low price for 330 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 1: a polar Bear, right doesn't that seem Yeah, it does 331 00:19:57,640 --> 00:19:59,399 Speaker 1: seem low band, But it's sort of like owning a 332 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:02,399 Speaker 1: Bugatti or something, right, Like, you buy the car, but 333 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 1: then there's this built in cost of ownership where you 334 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:06,879 Speaker 1: have to take it to a certain you know, Bugatti 335 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 1: expert who does a certain type of you know regiment. 336 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 1: They can't be done just by any auto technician, um 337 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:16,400 Speaker 1: such as the case. Can you imagine about how much 338 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 1: like meat you would have to buy all the time. 339 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 1: You don't just get polar bear food and feed it 340 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 1: once a day. I mean, it would be a whole thing. 341 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 1: So people that aren't considering that are going to have 342 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 1: a weird, emaciated and very angry and ravenous polar bear 343 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 1: on their hands. The most expensive of the things that 344 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 1: we have on menu here was, in fact the tiger, 345 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 1: which would have gone for around three hundred pounds at 346 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 1: the time, which today um would be in the what 347 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 1: tens of thousands? Yeah, so pound to a dollar And 348 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 1: this is not perfect because I'm doing the conversions for 349 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 1: the present pound of dollar difference, But three pounds today 350 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:53,440 Speaker 1: would be three hundred ninety six dollars and sixty six 351 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:57,199 Speaker 1: cents u s. Which means that in eighteen fifty seven 352 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 1: a tiger would cost you the elevalent of twelve thousand, 353 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:04,679 Speaker 1: six hundred and seventy two dollars and fifty one cents, 354 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:07,160 Speaker 1: which is still less than a lot of cars. It's 355 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 1: just like I was thinking of that maintenance point to 356 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 1: It's something a lot of people forget. It's like one 357 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 1: of the main reasons I don't own a dirigible um 358 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 1: or a tiger. Well, you gotta have somewhere to tie 359 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 1: it down first of all. Been and then like you know, 360 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 1: how do you how do you abort it? Yeah? Go, So, 361 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,120 Speaker 1: how much was a porpoise from him? Because we established 362 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 1: you get a porpoise, right, We did not establish that 363 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,359 Speaker 1: backs we we conjectured that it was entirely about he 364 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 1: didn't seem to deal in the sea creatures. I haven't 365 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 1: seen many of those. Have all these all seemed to 366 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:41,359 Speaker 1: be land dwelling. And that's why he's because, oh wow, 367 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 1: well poor people can go see uh, can go observe 368 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 1: maritime creatures. So maybe that was maybe that was part 369 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,639 Speaker 1: of his calculus there. Maybe he was like, I didn't 370 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:57,640 Speaker 1: want to buy anything that the average peasant could just 371 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: observe from rocky shore somewhere, you know. I mean, I 372 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 1: bet he would have gotten into our walls. That's a 373 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 1: good point. It's a good I think the I think 374 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:09,440 Speaker 1: they were believed to be mystical creatures for a very 375 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 1: long time. I personally thought they were mythical until literally 376 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 1: a year or so ago, didn't. I mean the unicorns, So, 377 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 1: I mean, it makes it makes sense for them to 378 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: be mythical, but they're not. Also, that's a tooth that's 379 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 1: not really a horn. That's one of their teeth. Yeah, 380 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 1: not very functional though. It's I mean, it's a definite. 381 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 1: It's a choice, I think is what we call. It's 382 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:37,119 Speaker 1: a choice. It's weird. I mean, I I love I 383 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,639 Speaker 1: love the ideas of UH. I love the ideas of 384 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:43,400 Speaker 1: an intelligent design that just eventually gets into this freestyle 385 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 1: what do we have left over phase? You know with 386 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:49,639 Speaker 1: the flat words? Yeah, how about a how about like 387 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:53,639 Speaker 1: a sea cow that has one weird, giant, useless tooth. 388 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 1: We gotta make one more thing. What do we have? Well, 389 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 1: we got these uh, we got these like snake like insects, 390 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 1: and then we got like hundreds of feet Alright, find centipedes. 391 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 1: I'll just be a thing. So the fact that we 392 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 1: keep on finding out more stuff about the platypus blows that. 393 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:16,920 Speaker 1: Like their bioluminescent now I know that that's what what? 394 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 1: Why do they have like everything weird about them? Yeah, 395 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 1: it's Australia. They're also poisonous. The very first menagerie that 396 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 1: was recorded, it goes way back, like you were saying earlier, 397 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 1: in old to the thirteenth century. The Tower of London 398 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 1: Menagerie UH was first entered in the historical record way 399 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 1: back in twelve ten CE, and it was known to 400 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:54,880 Speaker 1: house these elephants, these lions, hippos. Probably one of their 401 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 1: most famous folks, like the Kobe of their team, was 402 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 1: a polar bear. Which would swim in the tims, which 403 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:05,160 Speaker 1: I think is a cool sort of I think that's 404 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:08,919 Speaker 1: a cool idea. But also I think we're about to 405 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 1: learn about one of the coolest jobs in London at 406 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 1: the time. Yeah. One. I'm wondering though at this time 407 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 1: where the were the famous Swans that some of the 408 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:20,200 Speaker 1: Thames that are also notoriously ill tempered. Where they coexisting 409 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 1: with this polar bear at the time. I don't know. 410 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:24,640 Speaker 1: I have to find out looking a little deeper, but yeah, 411 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 1: Alfred Copps was the keeper of the Tower Menagerie in 412 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 1: eighteen twenty two, and on his watch, one of his underlings, 413 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 1: a junior keeper, accidentally raised a door like an iron 414 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 1: door that separated a lion and a tiger and a tigress, 415 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,440 Speaker 1: allowing them to you know, kind of com mingle into 416 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 1: each other's habitats and get into a massive brawl like 417 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:54,119 Speaker 1: think like cartoon, you know, like dust brawl where you 418 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,439 Speaker 1: see the one poor beaten down creature crawling out and 419 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 1: then h Paul reaches out and pulls back in by 420 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,119 Speaker 1: its dale. That's totally how this went down, no question 421 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 1: about it. Um. They were separated using what is called 422 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 1: here in this article in the London isst hot rods, 423 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:13,679 Speaker 1: but I assume that probably just means iron rods that 424 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 1: were heated to you know, the glowing heat, uh and 425 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,679 Speaker 1: a fire. So again, very very brutal. But the lion 426 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 1: died a few days later from the injuries that staying 427 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,439 Speaker 1: in the fight and also presumably maybe from being poked 428 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:31,200 Speaker 1: with hot rods. It would be kind of interesting, if 429 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 1: highly anachronistic, if the hot rods were like race cars. Yeah, 430 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we can, we can, Michael bay 431 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,400 Speaker 1: that one. Uh. We Also, I do want to take 432 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,920 Speaker 1: one second that would tell tell you guys about a book. 433 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 1: We used to always be recommending um comic books and 434 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 1: and other books. But I was thinking about interesting jobs 435 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:56,439 Speaker 1: in the Tower of London, and I've I've finished this 436 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 1: book earlier this year called The Raven Master, which is 437 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 1: all about the guy named Christopher Scaife whose entire job 438 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 1: is to be in charge of the famous ravens at 439 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 1: the Tower of London. It's a really cool read, and 440 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,160 Speaker 1: I wonder if he would be an interesting person to interview. 441 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 1: Look at his fit man, Can guys see this on 442 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,920 Speaker 1: the camera? Look at that? That's a flex? Oh obviously? 443 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:24,199 Speaker 1: Oh yes, exactly. Those are the famous tower guards that 444 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 1: you can't get him to crack a smile. He uh he, 445 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,920 Speaker 1: he writes like he is probably a lot of fun 446 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 1: to hang out with. But but yes, the Tower of 447 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:39,399 Speaker 1: London is amazing. It has this history of interactions with animals, 448 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 1: and we know that there were more more problems with 449 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 1: the menagerie at the Tower of London. Uh what was 450 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:50,960 Speaker 1: it like? The Leads Times that reported aid at large 451 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 1: and furious wolf had managed to escape the menagerie and 452 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 1: it was on its way to the drawbridge and they 453 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 1: had to like shut the gate down to stop it 454 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 1: from getting into the city. And then apparently it was 455 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,359 Speaker 1: in such a bad mood that when people forced it 456 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 1: back into the tower, it found a nearby terrier dog 457 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 1: and picked it up and then just shook it around 458 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,679 Speaker 1: and then let it go, Like Okay, but I know 459 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,479 Speaker 1: it's not your fault. I was just I'm just not 460 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 1: having the best day. Yikes. Why is this series full 461 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 1: of like animals grabbing things and shaking them and letting 462 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,639 Speaker 1: them go. A it's a it's a thing that animals are. 463 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 1: They're very into doing. Like you said, Ben, we are 464 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 1: both fond of our cats. Fond maybe being a strong word. 465 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,199 Speaker 1: We definitely love them at there are times where they 466 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 1: might grab one of our prize possessions in their jaws 467 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:44,359 Speaker 1: and shake them back and forth until exactly it's just 468 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 1: it's just part of who they are as creatures, and 469 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,199 Speaker 1: we have to to learn to to live with it. Um, 470 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,399 Speaker 1: but I am excited. I adopted a kitten earlier this 471 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,359 Speaker 1: year and it is pretty much crossed over into no 472 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 1: longer a kitten territory. And while kittens are real cute, 473 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 1: they're also a resolutely feral and psychotic. And I'm super 474 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,120 Speaker 1: happy that she's gotten a little bit more chill over 475 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 1: the last couple of months. So can congratulations to you 476 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,200 Speaker 1: ven s A. You've you finally become a woman? Yeah, 477 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,679 Speaker 1: my cat's kind of getting that way too. Um, she's 478 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 1: finally starting to get a little way from kidd into 479 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 1: a little more like adults. But she's also six and 480 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:22,399 Speaker 1: a half, so late bloomer. Yeah, and I don't know 481 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:27,880 Speaker 1: how much she's still Yeah. As always, folks, feel free 482 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,880 Speaker 1: to go by ridiculous historians on Facebook and post pictures 483 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,920 Speaker 1: of your pets bonus points if they look like they're 484 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 1: in some weird historical context. Uh, photoshop allowed. I'll say 485 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 1: photoshop allowed. It'll be like The Boy's Own Paper, which 486 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 1: was a mix of factual and fictional stories. I don't 487 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 1: know why I'm gonna be wondering about the title of 488 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 1: that magazine for the rest of the day. And we 489 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 1: have other stuff to do today, you know, like a 490 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 1: lot of people, we're we're working to close out the 491 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 1: books before the end to the year. But we have 492 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 1: had such a wonderful wild ride this year, despite a 493 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 1: global pandemic, despite you know, um, despite personal things that 494 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 1: have happened to us, and all of us listening along 495 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 1: at home, We're really glad you're here. UM. No offense 496 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 1: to uh myself, Noel or Max, but we agree you 497 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 1: are the best part of this show, uh, and we 498 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 1: cannot wait to hear from you. So thanks as always 499 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 1: to our superproducer, Mr Max Williams, Thanks of course to 500 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 1: Casey Pegram and Noel. Thanks to you. You know, one 501 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 1: thing you could you one thing we can say about 502 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is that, at no point in the history 503 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 1: of our show have we ever been responsible for a 504 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 1: tiger getting let loose into a city, unless unless I 505 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 1: missed an email. No, I think we can definitely say 506 00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:00,160 Speaker 1: that with confidence. Um uh and nothing even remote we 507 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 1: approaching that level of irresponsibility. So good on us, Ben, 508 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 1: good on us, and good on you Ridiculous Historians for 509 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 1: making it through this two part episode. Uh, it was 510 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 1: a journey for sure, and we're glad to have taken 511 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 1: it together. You can, in fact find us on the internet. Well, 512 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 1: you have a Facebook group, it's called Ridiculous Historians. Check 513 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 1: that out. And while you're on the internet, why not 514 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 1: pop on over to Apple Podcasts and leave us a 515 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 1: five star glowing review. Name us by name, tell tell 516 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 1: us how much you you you you enjoy our company 517 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 1: as much as we enjoy yours, hopefully, And if you don't, then, 518 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 1: you know, just take the rabbits advice from Bambi. And 519 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 1: if you don't have anything nice to say, just you know, 520 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 1: don't say say anything. Leave us to our review and 521 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 1: move on. And of course, uh, big, big thanks to 522 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 1: one of our our favorite tigers loose on the streets 523 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 1: of Atlanta as we speak, the quister, Mr Jonathan Strickland. 524 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,600 Speaker 1: Also shout out to our good pals at Ridiculous Romance, 525 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 1: Eli and Diana. Give them a listen. Max, you listen 526 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 1: to this show recently. You were telling me about that 527 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:02,959 Speaker 1: at uh you were telling me about that while we 528 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,720 Speaker 1: were at a hot dice game. I think, yes, yes, yes, 529 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 1: a hot dice game at our company Christmas party. That 530 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 1: took ay Uber down and I was like, I was 531 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 1: listening to the podcast and you guys always say like, oh, yeah, 532 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 1: they're a lot funnier than us, and I was listening 533 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 1: to and I'm like, wow, they're way better producing a 534 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,120 Speaker 1: podcast than me too, So this is all around a 535 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 1: better podcast. But you know, we're glad you guys keep 536 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 1: coming back here for us for some reason. Damn Max, 537 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 1: damn wait, No, we're you know what, We're okay too. 538 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 1: That's how we're gonna end it. We are okay too. 539 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 1: We'll see you next time, folks. For more podcasts for 540 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 1: my Heart Radio, visit the I Heart Radio app, Apple podcast, 541 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows,