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Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to the podcast. I'm Kristen and I'm Caroline,

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Speaker 1: and today we are talking about drag queens and drag

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Speaker 1: yes where it came from. We're gonna talk about some

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Speaker 1: famous queens from from way back in the day and

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Speaker 1: and some more modern people that you've heard of, like Rupole,

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Speaker 1: and I think that we should go ahead and say

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Speaker 1: that we don't talk about drag kings quite so much,

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Speaker 1: but we're really focusing in this episode on drag queen.

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Speaker 1: Drag Kings could be a whole episode unto themselves. Um,

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Speaker 1: but men dressing in women's clothing in a theatrical setting

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Speaker 1: has been going on for quite some time. Female impersonation,

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Speaker 1: as it's often referred to, goes back um to ancient

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Speaker 1: Roman literature. You have it in classical Chinese theater, Elizabeth

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Speaker 1: Elizabethan theater, since women were generally banned from performing on

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Speaker 1: the parts, right, And we've seen everybody's seen Shakespeare in Love,

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Speaker 1: which shows not everybody, not me Christ, Christ doesn't seem anything.

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Speaker 1: I really. I tried to reference this morning. I tried

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Speaker 1: to reference Karate Kid and it failed. Um. But now,

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Speaker 1: in uh, what's call it Shakespeare in Love they show

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Speaker 1: um men on stage as women. But then of course

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Speaker 1: if we look at the etymology of drag queen. According

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Speaker 1: to the Online Etymology Dictionary, Uh, it originated or at

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Speaker 1: least drag originated in eighteen seventy theater slang which I'd

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Speaker 1: like to hear a lot of eighteen seventy theater slang, um,

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Speaker 1: drag mint women's clothing worn by a man, a man

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Speaker 1: which doesn't make sense because you would maybe think that,

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Speaker 1: shouldn't maybe drag less queens, drag less queens, Well that's

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Speaker 1: And then queen, which couldn't be considered more of a

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Speaker 1: In terms of drag queens, the term queen has kind

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