WEBVTT - Rerun: Can we stop an asteroid from hitting Earth?

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to tex Stuff, a production of I Heart Radios

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<v Speaker 1>How Stuff Works. Hey there, and welcome to tech Stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm your host, Jonathan Strickland. I'm an executive producer with

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<v Speaker 1>I Heart Radio and I love all things tech. And

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<v Speaker 1>as you listen to this, I will be returning to Atlanta,

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<v Speaker 1>which likely will be under a storm cloud of rain again,

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<v Speaker 1>having spent a week in Hawaii. So because it's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>take me a little bit of time to get back

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<v Speaker 1>into the swing of things, we're gonna listen to a

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<v Speaker 1>classic episode. But don't worry, brand new material will be

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<v Speaker 1>coming out very soon. For today, however, we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>listen to a classic episode titled Can We Stop and

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<v Speaker 1>Asteroid From Hitting Earth? And the reason I picked this

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<v Speaker 1>rerun is because I've been getting a lot of notifications

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<v Speaker 1>from a particular news sign outlet that seems to have

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<v Speaker 1>an update on potential disaster about asteroids on a daily basis.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a feeling that they're being a bit alarmist.

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<v Speaker 1>It is something to be concerned about, because we're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about a contingency that would be truly disastrous, but maybe

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<v Speaker 1>not something that we need a daily update of. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>it will happen tomorrow. Levels So Chris Palette and I

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<v Speaker 1>sit down to talk about what we would do in

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<v Speaker 1>the event of an asteroid heading towards Earth and what

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<v Speaker 1>what are our various plans might be in order to

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<v Speaker 1>prevent that from becoming a worldwide catastrophe. Let's sit back

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<v Speaker 1>and listen. Asteroids and preventing a collision with Earth, and

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<v Speaker 1>what sort of tech would be involved with that. And

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<v Speaker 1>this comes courtesy of some Facebook requests and email requests.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't believe that we had people send us multiple

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<v Speaker 1>people sent us this request, which seems really specific for

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<v Speaker 1>more than one person. But hey, we're going to do it, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>And um you know, if you have seen the documentary Armageddon,

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<v Speaker 1>you remember that we shot Bruce Willis up into space

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<v Speaker 1>um with Ben Affleck and some other folks like Steve

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<v Speaker 1>Bussemmy to scare an asteroid out of the way, because

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<v Speaker 1>Steve Busumy is a scary guy. Uh wait, I think

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<v Speaker 1>I might be. I think I might be a little

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<v Speaker 1>off track. Oh well, anyway, the premise of the movie

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<v Speaker 1>was that there was this enormous asteroid the Signs of Texas, which,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, not that guy. You yeah, that that's

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<v Speaker 1>that's a reference that goes over everyone's head because no one,

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<v Speaker 1>none of our listeners have ever played the game Asteroid.

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<v Speaker 1>What any really some of you have played Asteroids, and

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<v Speaker 1>maybe maybe maybe our our buddy Floyd the truck driver,

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<v Speaker 1>he might have. Hopefully not while driving, well, I hope not. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>we're getting off track already. So the whole, the whole

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<v Speaker 1>premise of the movie is that there's this giant asteroid

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<v Speaker 1>the size of Texas that's going to be flying at Earth.

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<v Speaker 1>And so they come up with this idea where they

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<v Speaker 1>scramble a bunch of of uh minors essentially to shoot

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<v Speaker 1>up into space, land on the asteroid and plant a

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<v Speaker 1>nuclear device on the asteroid that will blow it up

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<v Speaker 1>to tiny little bits and save the Earth. And so

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<v Speaker 1>we want to address this um this first. So let's

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<v Speaker 1>let's get this out of the way. That would not work.

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<v Speaker 1>That would that would be a bad thing. First of all,

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<v Speaker 1>the power of such a device is hard to imagine.

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<v Speaker 1>How would you create a nuclear device powerful enough to

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<v Speaker 1>explode Texas into tiny bits the equivalent of Texas flying

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<v Speaker 1>at you. Also, by the way, an asteroid that size

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<v Speaker 1>would pretty much wipe out everybody um, you know, when

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<v Speaker 1>we talk about asteroids that are are dangerous enough to

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<v Speaker 1>wipe out a city, fifty yards is big enough. A

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<v Speaker 1>fifty yard asteroid, like an asteroid fifty yards across, we

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<v Speaker 1>have enough power, enough enough force to destroy a city

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<v Speaker 1>if it impacted the city. Um. Now, NASA classifies earth

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<v Speaker 1>threatening asteroids as being a hundred and forty meters or larger.

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<v Speaker 1>But then that conveniently is about the size that we

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<v Speaker 1>can detect them. Well, it's uh, it's important to note

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<v Speaker 1>too that it's happened before. We have been hit with

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<v Speaker 1>with many space objects in the past, and I assume,

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<v Speaker 1>to some small degree, continue to do so. It's something

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<v Speaker 1>that we hear about in the news every day. But

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<v Speaker 1>every single day the Earth is hit by by tiny

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<v Speaker 1>little object. Granted we haven't been hit by a massive

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<v Speaker 1>asteroid in a really long time, but meteorites hit the

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<v Speaker 1>Earth every day. Sometimes they're so small that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they're almost undetectable, but it does happen the But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they've happened in the past. I mean, that's what wiped

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<v Speaker 1>out the dinosaurs was an asteroid impact were possibly common impact,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was a mass of impact that that altered

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<v Speaker 1>the Earth's climate, and dinosaurs did not have air conditioning,

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<v Speaker 1>so they were pretty much doomed. Doomed. I figured it

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<v Speaker 1>was their debaucherous lifestyle and it was unsustainable. Now you're

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<v Speaker 1>thinking of Rome, right, you know, I get this confused

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<v Speaker 1>a lot. Yeah, well, you know, if you've ever seen

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<v Speaker 1>a t rex in a toga never mind, So so

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<v Speaker 1>why would this plan not work with destroying an asteroid

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<v Speaker 1>with a nuclear device. Let's assume that, for for argument's sake,

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<v Speaker 1>that somehow you managed to find a nuclear device capable

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<v Speaker 1>of breaking up a Texas size asteroid while it was

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<v Speaker 1>hurtling towards Earth. And keep in mind this was this

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<v Speaker 1>this asteroid was close to Earth by the time it

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<v Speaker 1>blows up. Otherwise it's not nearly as dramatic an ending. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, you've gotta have it close enough to the

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<v Speaker 1>Earth where people are starting to really freak out. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>and how long exactly did they have to prepare for this?

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<v Speaker 1>It was like a couple of days or something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>It was crazy short time period. We would yeah, anything

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<v Speaker 1>that's anything that that size we would be able to

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<v Speaker 1>spot between Mars and Jupiter, giving us years, literally years

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<v Speaker 1>to prepare it would not be a last minute thing.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's one of the myths that movies perpetuate is

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<v Speaker 1>that you know, you have some uh some some amateur

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<v Speaker 1>astronomer out in the middle of nowhere just looking up

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<v Speaker 1>and saying, that's weird that star wasn't there yesterday. And

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<v Speaker 1>then and then that information slowly filters its way to

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<v Speaker 1>some official source which immediately clamps down and keeps it

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<v Speaker 1>all secret so that nobody knows that doom is on

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<v Speaker 1>the way until it leaks to the media causing a panic. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that we don't want to cause a panic. That's definitely

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<v Speaker 1>Hollywood related. So why would blowing up the asteroid not

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<v Speaker 1>be a good idea? Well, that asteroids moving at a

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<v Speaker 1>really fast speed and the nuclear warhead is not going

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<v Speaker 1>to slow it down. Okay, so you've still got this

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<v Speaker 1>this material moving at an incredible speed, and the mass

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<v Speaker 1>isn't gone. You haven't destroyed the mass, You've just spread

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<v Speaker 1>it out some. So instead of it being a one

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<v Speaker 1>massive asteroid hitting the Earth, it's a whole bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>them hitting the Earth. And it's like the difference between

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<v Speaker 1>getting hit by a slug and getting hit by um

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<v Speaker 1>shotgun shot. We've just spread out the area of impact

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<v Speaker 1>is what you've done. This is mission control. We just

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to say, oops, yeah are bad? So um so yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>here's here's why all this stuff would really work in

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<v Speaker 1>the real world. All Right, We've got lots of powerful

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<v Speaker 1>telescopes pointing in all sorts of directions. Now, so the

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<v Speaker 1>the the myths of the amateur astronomer who detects uh

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<v Speaker 1>something the size the size that's in depicted an armageddon

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<v Speaker 1>is really that's that's busted because it would be detected

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<v Speaker 1>by much more powerful telescopes much earlier. And um that

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<v Speaker 1>information would go to uh it's kind of a clearing

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<v Speaker 1>house for near Earth objects that could potentially cause harm.

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<v Speaker 1>It's called the Minor Planet Center. It's in Cambridge, Massachusetts. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the Minor Planet Center would then take the information that

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<v Speaker 1>was sent to it, which usually would involve the size

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<v Speaker 1>of the asteroid and it's it's shape of orbit around

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<v Speaker 1>the Sun and whether that orbit could potentially uh collide

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<v Speaker 1>with the Earth, send that information out to observatories all

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<v Speaker 1>across the planet. Now, these observatories would then train their

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<v Speaker 1>telescopes onto the object to try and make their own

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<v Speaker 1>calculations based upon their own their own perspective to see

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<v Speaker 1>if perhaps this would be a quote unquote interesting object. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>in astronomical terms, interesting means, holy crap, we're all going

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<v Speaker 1>to die. That's the that's what they mean by interesting

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<v Speaker 1>as in potentially impact the Earth interesting. And that information

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<v Speaker 1>would then be shared amongst those observatories, and the likelihood

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<v Speaker 1>of a clamp down is really low, just because you

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<v Speaker 1>have so many people who would be involved in this

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<v Speaker 1>and have the information, and lots of them were gonna talk.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of them, we're gonna talk and say we

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<v Speaker 1>got to prepare now, because if we don't, we're all

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<v Speaker 1>going to die, or a significant number of people are

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<v Speaker 1>going to die. Because if this asteroid hits a land mass,

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<v Speaker 1>then it's gonna be like, depending on the size of

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<v Speaker 1>the asteroid, it could be like the entire world's nuclear

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<v Speaker 1>arsenal exploding in a single point. Um. If it hits

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<v Speaker 1>the ocean, then it could generate a tsunami of unprecedented

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<v Speaker 1>uh force that could wipe out an entire coast of

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<v Speaker 1>a of a continent. Um. So I mean this is

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<v Speaker 1>serious business. Uh. Fortunately, we haven't discovered anything so far

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<v Speaker 1>that would cause that much of a problem. But again,

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<v Speaker 1>our ability to detect these objects is limited. Most of

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<v Speaker 1>the objects that NASA concentrates on is anything that's a

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<v Speaker 1>higher forty meters or across or larger. And uh, the

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<v Speaker 1>problem is that smaller objects could cause significant harm. But

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<v Speaker 1>finding those objects is a lot trickier because space is big. Really, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and in relation to space, fifty yard across asteroid or

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<v Speaker 1>is nothing. Yeah, it's it's you know, you you it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's impossible to exaggerate how tiny that is. Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>like a it's like a germ on a bug. And

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<v Speaker 1>and and you happen to be like a blue whale.

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<v Speaker 1>That's kind of and even then that's not even close that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't get my mind around it. That's that's how

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<v Speaker 1>it is. So so all right, So nuking a an

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<v Speaker 1>asteroid directly, as in trying to blow it up, is

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<v Speaker 1>not a feasible option. So let's let's assume for the

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<v Speaker 1>moment that we have developed technology that helps us that's

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<v Speaker 1>improved our ability to detect asteroids to the point where

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<v Speaker 1>any asteroid that could potentially cause significant harm to people

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<v Speaker 1>on Earth, to life on Earth, that you have somehow

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<v Speaker 1>managed to to create the technology to detect it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, and it's and it's important to do so

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<v Speaker 1>because it is probable that we will be hit by

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<v Speaker 1>something largish again, yeah, at some point. Essentially, like it's

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<v Speaker 1>worthwhile to to develop this technology exactly. So, yeah, the

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<v Speaker 1>the risk might be low, but the impact would be huge.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, even taking a low risk perspective of it,

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<v Speaker 1>the actual impact would be so enormous that it is

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<v Speaker 1>a good argument and a lot of people have made

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<v Speaker 1>this argument to um to invest in technology to help

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<v Speaker 1>prevent it from happening. I'd like to interrupt this particular

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<v Speaker 1>podcast about potential disaster in order to take a moment

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<v Speaker 1>to thank our sponsors. Let's assume that we have improved

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<v Speaker 1>technology so we can actually detect these asteroids from a

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<v Speaker 1>pretty good distance. Like I said, it might be years

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<v Speaker 1>before they get here, or we're gonna need that time

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<v Speaker 1>because we're gonna need that time to develop the actual

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<v Speaker 1>vehicles that the tools that we're going to use in

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<v Speaker 1>order to intercept that asteroid. So by intercepting it, what

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<v Speaker 1>could we do to to avoid a collision. Well, the

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<v Speaker 1>real key is deflecting the asteroid. You just have to

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<v Speaker 1>move it a tiny bit, especially the further out you go,

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<v Speaker 1>the further out you go, the tinier that that adjustment

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<v Speaker 1>needs to be, because by the time it gets to

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<v Speaker 1>the Earth, it's going to be the distance is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be much more enormous. You know. Just think about

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<v Speaker 1>like you're walking to have a friend standing across from

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<v Speaker 1>you across the football field, and you're both facing each

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<v Speaker 1>other exactly. Now, imagine that your friend just turns slightly

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit to the left and starts walking forward. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>from a distance, it looks like there that your friend

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<v Speaker 1>may actually meet up with you once they get all

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<v Speaker 1>the way across the football field. But as they continue,

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<v Speaker 1>you see that they're getting further and further away until

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<v Speaker 1>they reach essentially a point parallel to you, and they

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<v Speaker 1>are a good distance from you right there, further down

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<v Speaker 1>the field, like further to the right or to the left,

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<v Speaker 1>whichever way that the person turned. Um, that's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>the idea here, is that if you can catch an

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<v Speaker 1>asteroid early enough and deflect it just a couple of degrees,

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<v Speaker 1>then you've solved the problem because it's going to miss

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<v Speaker 1>the Earth by millions of miles. But how do you

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<v Speaker 1>deflect it. Well, there's a lot of different options. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I read uh too. Specifically that seemed to be the

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<v Speaker 1>options people are thinking of most like what's that um.

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<v Speaker 1>One of them, ironically enough, was to use nuclear devices, Yes,

0:13:43.640 --> 0:13:46.400
<v Speaker 1>but not to destroy, but to nudge. Right. Yeah, the

0:13:46.440 --> 0:13:48.840
<v Speaker 1>idea is being that you would you would detonate the

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<v Speaker 1>device over the asteroid. This would actually um cause a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of things to happen, and it's you know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>interesting that again that we're talking about something. You know,

0:13:59.520 --> 0:14:01.800
<v Speaker 1>you might say, hey, you just said nuking is bad. Well,

0:14:01.960 --> 0:14:04.319
<v Speaker 1>in this case, what would happen is that you would

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<v Speaker 1>uh create an uh a nuclear radiation would create this

0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:11.440
<v Speaker 1>uh this vaporizing energy and vaporize the surface or a

0:14:11.440 --> 0:14:14.440
<v Speaker 1>section of the surface of the asteroid. Now that's going

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<v Speaker 1>to cause that part of the surface to eject material

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<v Speaker 1>into space. And you know, for a react action, there's

0:14:21.120 --> 0:14:23.840
<v Speaker 1>an equal and opposite reaction, so that ejection from space

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<v Speaker 1>is actually going to act as a pushing force on

0:14:26.520 --> 0:14:31.320
<v Speaker 1>the asteroid. And it's tiny, but that's all you need necessary.

0:14:31.320 --> 0:14:32.800
<v Speaker 1>You know, that might be all you need to move

0:14:32.840 --> 0:14:37.120
<v Speaker 1>that asteroid out of the pathway of the Earth. So yeah, um,

0:14:37.360 --> 0:14:40.920
<v Speaker 1>you're just using it again to to give the asteroid

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<v Speaker 1>a little push. Actually, most of the the options I've

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<v Speaker 1>seen are some variation on pushing the asteroid. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>lots of different potential ways we could do that. Well,

0:14:51.080 --> 0:14:53.720
<v Speaker 1>that's true. I did read UH yet. To be fair,

0:14:53.760 --> 0:14:56.080
<v Speaker 1>I did read of the possibility of using an inert

0:14:57.080 --> 0:15:01.400
<v Speaker 1>UH device nothing that explodes, but basically a bullet if

0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:06.160
<v Speaker 1>you will, to shove, using us kinetic force to push

0:15:06.200 --> 0:15:09.320
<v Speaker 1>the asteroid out of the way. Yeah, that is another

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<v Speaker 1>potential UM solution, although it's it's again one of those

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<v Speaker 1>that that has its own set of difficulties. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's that is what I've also heard, where you're just

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<v Speaker 1>using a kinetic force to to tap the asteroid out

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<v Speaker 1>of the way. And it's it's important to note that. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>What we really can't stress how much detection and identifying

0:15:35.760 --> 0:15:40.240
<v Speaker 1>the the objects path, how important that is because um,

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<v Speaker 1>there there's an effect called the Yarkovsky effect. Did you

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<v Speaker 1>read about this, um, As the object gets close to

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<v Speaker 1>the Sun, closer to the Sun. Um, And I'm not

0:15:50.040 --> 0:15:52.080
<v Speaker 1>talking about directly on a path too, but you know,

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<v Speaker 1>as it gets closer and closer to the Sun in

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<v Speaker 1>the center of our solar system, it's going to heat

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<v Speaker 1>up UM and for larger object it doesn't matter so

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<v Speaker 1>much UM. But according UH to an article that I

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<v Speaker 1>um than an article I read, the Arkovsky effect basically

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<v Speaker 1>means that once the the object starts to heat up,

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<v Speaker 1>the heat can affect its path. It can basically started

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<v Speaker 1>to move in a slightly different direction. So you need

0:16:23.240 --> 0:16:25.000
<v Speaker 1>to be able to We would need to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to know exactly where the or as least as close

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<v Speaker 1>enough to UH where the object is going to be

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<v Speaker 1>so that we can accurately hit it with something if

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to try to use a brute force method

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<v Speaker 1>of moving the the asteroid out of the way, And

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of the attempts to move asteroids may depend

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<v Speaker 1>upon sun, the sunlight and the Sun's power because UM,

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<v Speaker 1>there are a lot of different options that would harness

0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:54.440
<v Speaker 1>the power of the Sun in order to create a

0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:59.520
<v Speaker 1>pulling effect or pushing effect on the the asteroid. For example,

0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:05.280
<v Speaker 1>there's one UM one possible technique where we would coat

0:17:05.320 --> 0:17:11.320
<v Speaker 1>the asteroid with white and dark coating like paint or

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<v Speaker 1>dust or whatever, and that would cause it to move

0:17:17.000 --> 0:17:20.480
<v Speaker 1>because the Sun's energy would actually push against the asteroid.

0:17:20.680 --> 0:17:23.280
<v Speaker 1>And if we've coded the rights the correct side, not

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<v Speaker 1>the right side. I mean there's no real right or left,

0:17:26.040 --> 0:17:29.320
<v Speaker 1>but the correct side of the asteroid. It could push

0:17:29.320 --> 0:17:32.119
<v Speaker 1>the asteroid those couple of degrees. By the time it

0:17:32.119 --> 0:17:34.359
<v Speaker 1>gets to where the Earth is, it's millions of miles away.

0:17:34.520 --> 0:17:38.800
<v Speaker 1>It's it's millions of miles off course from hitting the Earth. Um. Similarly,

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<v Speaker 1>there were suggestions that maybe we could create a solar

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<v Speaker 1>sail that would attach We would use a like a

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<v Speaker 1>probe to attach a solar sail to an asteroid, and

0:17:49.960 --> 0:17:54.199
<v Speaker 1>the solar sale would catch the Sun's energy and be

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<v Speaker 1>propelled by the solar wind, essentially to pull the asteroid

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<v Speaker 1>again outside of its pathway. UM. That that's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a far fetched one, really. I mean, it's definitely a

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<v Speaker 1>lot more challenging than say, coading and asteroid with a

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<v Speaker 1>light colored material. Um. But then there's also the idea

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<v Speaker 1>of using a net, an enormous net to encapsulate the

0:18:17.560 --> 0:18:20.640
<v Speaker 1>the the asteroid, and the net would again act as

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<v Speaker 1>almost like a solar sale. It would it would react

0:18:24.320 --> 0:18:26.880
<v Speaker 1>against you know, the Sun. The Sun's energy would push

0:18:26.920 --> 0:18:29.919
<v Speaker 1>against the net, which again would alter the course of

0:18:29.920 --> 0:18:36.040
<v Speaker 1>the asteroid. UM. Mirrors are another potential UH solution where

0:18:36.080 --> 0:18:39.959
<v Speaker 1>you you launch a device that is going to deploy

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<v Speaker 1>mirrors around the asteroid to direct sunlight to specific points

0:18:44.280 --> 0:18:48.040
<v Speaker 1>in the asteroid to again push it out of the way. Um. Well,

0:18:48.080 --> 0:18:50.679
<v Speaker 1>everyone knows that asteroids are vein, so if you, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>put the mirrors on the far side of the Earth,

0:18:52.680 --> 0:18:55.919
<v Speaker 1>they'll go toward the mirrors and gold my best side.

0:18:55.960 --> 0:19:01.080
<v Speaker 1>I look good. Um. But then a couple of other elements.

0:19:01.080 --> 0:19:02.960
<v Speaker 1>There are a couple other ways of nudging an asteroid

0:19:03.000 --> 0:19:06.520
<v Speaker 1>all the way that don't involve sunlight at all. Uh.

0:19:06.560 --> 0:19:09.200
<v Speaker 1>And one of them, one of them's strapping a rocket

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<v Speaker 1>to it. So essentially you have a um, do we

0:19:13.400 --> 0:19:16.680
<v Speaker 1>have to land somebody on the asteroid. No, not necessarily.

0:19:16.720 --> 0:19:21.120
<v Speaker 1>You'd have to have some sort of of remotely operated

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<v Speaker 1>probe that could embed into the asteroid itself and then

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<v Speaker 1>use um, have enough fuel in it to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to push as a rocket to push the asteroid out

0:19:33.880 --> 0:19:38.199
<v Speaker 1>of the way of the pathway of collision. Now it

0:19:38.200 --> 0:19:39.879
<v Speaker 1>doesn't have to push very hard, it doesn't have to

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<v Speaker 1>push for very long. Again, as long as you catch

0:19:42.000 --> 0:19:44.439
<v Speaker 1>the asteroid early enough that we have to keep stressing

0:19:44.440 --> 0:19:46.840
<v Speaker 1>that this is this is assuming that we capture that

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<v Speaker 1>we detect the asteroid and years and years and years

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<v Speaker 1>in advance, and that we're able to react quickly enough

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<v Speaker 1>so that by the time the probe reaches the asteroid,

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<v Speaker 1>because you remember, this isn't gonna be overnight. It's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>take time for the for whatever solution we deploy to

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<v Speaker 1>get to the asteroid. Like it, maybe you know, we

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<v Speaker 1>launched something and we don't know if it's going to

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<v Speaker 1>work for another two years or three years. I mean,

0:20:06.400 --> 0:20:11.560
<v Speaker 1>that's kind of scary to think about, but that's true. So, um, yeah,

0:20:11.600 --> 0:20:14.880
<v Speaker 1>you have to figure away where you have this this device,

0:20:15.080 --> 0:20:16.840
<v Speaker 1>and it has to be able to carry enough fuel

0:20:16.880 --> 0:20:19.639
<v Speaker 1>so that it can actually deploy properly. A lot of

0:20:19.760 --> 0:20:22.400
<v Speaker 1>people suggest that this kind of approach would be best

0:20:22.440 --> 0:20:25.160
<v Speaker 1>if it were already space born. So in other words,

0:20:25.160 --> 0:20:29.240
<v Speaker 1>we already had some sort of launching platform in space

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<v Speaker 1>so that the the individual probes would not need so

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<v Speaker 1>much fuel to both escape the arts gravity and land

0:20:37.480 --> 0:20:41.440
<v Speaker 1>on an asteroid and then propel it away. Um that

0:20:41.440 --> 0:20:44.600
<v Speaker 1>that does prose a problem. But then another one is

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<v Speaker 1>the gravity tractor. Ah. Yes, and I when I looked

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<v Speaker 1>up the gravity tractor, I had to check just a

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<v Speaker 1>moment ago and yes, someone has named their band gravity Tractor.

0:20:55.840 --> 0:21:01.840
<v Speaker 1>Good for them, Yeah, lead singer John Dear nice, thank you. Um.

0:21:02.119 --> 0:21:07.520
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, the gravity tractor is fascinating, um because this

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<v Speaker 1>is essentially using a different body and the gravity of

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<v Speaker 1>another body and body that we would launch into space

0:21:16.800 --> 0:21:20.640
<v Speaker 1>to pull the asteroid away without even I mean there's

0:21:20.680 --> 0:21:23.200
<v Speaker 1>not the point here is not even to touch the asteroid.

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<v Speaker 1>It's to get something near enough to it to affect

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<v Speaker 1>um the asteroids path with another gravitational field, right, because

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<v Speaker 1>you getta remember everything in the universe exerts a gravitational

0:21:35.119 --> 0:21:38.119
<v Speaker 1>pull on everything else. It's just that that pull is

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<v Speaker 1>dependent upon distance and mass and lots of other stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>But they you know, so if you were able to

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<v Speaker 1>put a massive enough object close enough to the asteroid,

0:21:47.720 --> 0:21:49.879
<v Speaker 1>you could alter its pathway. There is there are some

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<v Speaker 1>problems with the gravity tractor, really. Yeah. One of them

0:21:54.400 --> 0:21:55.960
<v Speaker 1>is that you have to figure out are a well,

0:21:56.760 --> 0:21:59.680
<v Speaker 1>you want the gravity tractor to pull the asteroid away

0:21:59.720 --> 0:22:01.520
<v Speaker 1>from the path of collision. You don't want the asteroid

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<v Speaker 1>to pull the gravity tractor into the path of collision.

0:22:04.760 --> 0:22:07.159
<v Speaker 1>So so that means that you would have to have

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of propulsion system aboard the gravity tractor to

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<v Speaker 1>make little course corrections and continue to gently pull the

0:22:15.040 --> 0:22:17.919
<v Speaker 1>asteroid out of its pathway. Well, if you have propulsion,

0:22:18.040 --> 0:22:20.680
<v Speaker 1>then there's the possibility of that propulsion that you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to when you fire your rockets to to give it

0:22:24.520 --> 0:22:28.040
<v Speaker 1>a boost that forced me push against the asteroid, thus

0:22:28.080 --> 0:22:31.359
<v Speaker 1>negating the gravity pull that you are exerting upon it.

0:22:31.440 --> 0:22:36.520
<v Speaker 1>So essentially you're getting a net zero result because that

0:22:36.680 --> 0:22:38.760
<v Speaker 1>you're you're pulling it out with gravity, but you're pushing

0:22:38.760 --> 0:22:41.360
<v Speaker 1>on it with your propulsion system. So finding a way

0:22:41.359 --> 0:22:45.440
<v Speaker 1>where you could create some sort of gravity tractor where

0:22:45.800 --> 0:22:49.840
<v Speaker 1>the propulsion system would not actually push against the asteroid

0:22:49.880 --> 0:22:52.959
<v Speaker 1>itself is would be part of the solution. Plus this

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<v Speaker 1>would be really really expensive. It's a much more costly

0:22:56.480 --> 0:23:01.080
<v Speaker 1>approach and not necessarily uh the most easy to implement

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<v Speaker 1>compared to other approaches. So I don't know that this

0:23:05.040 --> 0:23:08.720
<v Speaker 1>is necessarily likely to happen. I mean, if if enough

0:23:08.760 --> 0:23:10.639
<v Speaker 1>research goes into it where it proves that this is

0:23:10.680 --> 0:23:15.639
<v Speaker 1>the most effective way, then sure I can see it happening,

0:23:15.680 --> 0:23:17.679
<v Speaker 1>just because people would finally say all right, well you

0:23:17.680 --> 0:23:20.520
<v Speaker 1>know we have to invest in it, because we can't

0:23:20.920 --> 0:23:25.879
<v Speaker 1>we can't just play roulette all our existence. We have

0:23:25.960 --> 0:23:28.880
<v Speaker 1>to prepare for this, But I would imagine that we'd

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<v Speaker 1>probably go with some other route before we tried this one. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>An article I read suggested that the the gravity tractor

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<v Speaker 1>would have to be at least twenty tons in order

0:23:42.800 --> 0:23:46.720
<v Speaker 1>to safely to you know, effectively to I should say,

0:23:46.720 --> 0:23:51.639
<v Speaker 1>not safely effectively to an asteroid away from the Earth. Um,

0:23:51.680 --> 0:23:55.720
<v Speaker 1>And I can't you know, I just imagine that's going

0:23:55.720 --> 0:23:58.760
<v Speaker 1>to be very hard to get out of the Earth's orbit.

0:23:59.320 --> 0:24:01.040
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, our gravity. I'm sorry to leave

0:24:01.080 --> 0:24:03.199
<v Speaker 1>the gravitational field of the Earth. They launched something that

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<v Speaker 1>big into space. But you know, I'm not a rocket scientist,

0:24:07.880 --> 0:24:12.159
<v Speaker 1>so nor are you a brain surgeon. Now I'm not

0:24:12.200 --> 0:24:16.159
<v Speaker 1>a rocket surgeon either, so um, well that's good. I

0:24:16.160 --> 0:24:18.919
<v Speaker 1>can just imagine that going wrong. So I've got another

0:24:19.080 --> 0:24:24.080
<v Speaker 1>another potential, although it's far fetched, possibility of getting rid

0:24:24.080 --> 0:24:27.680
<v Speaker 1>of an asteroid that um that's coming at you. You

0:24:27.880 --> 0:24:31.000
<v Speaker 1>let robots eat it. Really, Yeah, that's kind of cool.

0:24:31.240 --> 0:24:33.399
<v Speaker 1>Robert Lamb actually wrote about this. He has a great

0:24:33.680 --> 0:24:38.600
<v Speaker 1>article on the Our Our Discovery news site called top

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<v Speaker 1>ten ways to stop an asteroid, and one of them

0:24:41.560 --> 0:24:46.800
<v Speaker 1>is talking about using them robots that would actually essentially

0:24:46.880 --> 0:24:51.000
<v Speaker 1>kind of chew up the asteroid and then shoot out

0:24:51.080 --> 0:24:56.760
<v Speaker 1>the tiny bits of asteroid uh into space electromagnetically UM

0:24:56.920 --> 0:25:01.200
<v Speaker 1>and essentially disperse the asteroid while it still really really

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<v Speaker 1>really far away from the Earth, because keep in mind,

0:25:03.400 --> 0:25:05.560
<v Speaker 1>if it's really far away from the Earth, then not

0:25:05.640 --> 0:25:07.720
<v Speaker 1>all of that mass is going to hit the Earth

0:25:07.800 --> 0:25:11.600
<v Speaker 1>the way it would in the beginning of UM the

0:25:11.960 --> 0:25:15.640
<v Speaker 1>or or at the end of ARM again rather. So, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>these these robots eating poop. They eat asteroids and they

0:25:20.880 --> 0:25:24.680
<v Speaker 1>poop asteroid dust. I am. I wanted to go there,

0:25:24.720 --> 0:25:26.520
<v Speaker 1>and I said, no, I'm not gonna say it. You're

0:25:26.520 --> 0:25:28.600
<v Speaker 1>not gonna say they eating poop. Nope, But you did

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<v Speaker 1>it for me, so I could see the look on

0:25:30.520 --> 0:25:32.280
<v Speaker 1>your face and I knew that you were thinking that.

0:25:32.359 --> 0:25:34.720
<v Speaker 1>So I was like, I'm going to do it. Chris

0:25:34.760 --> 0:25:37.320
<v Speaker 1>and I have more to say about how we get

0:25:37.320 --> 0:25:48.399
<v Speaker 1>our asteroids in gear. After this quick break. There are

0:25:48.440 --> 0:25:53.600
<v Speaker 1>some talks about private companies actually investing in this UM

0:25:53.640 --> 0:25:56.480
<v Speaker 1>sort of technology, this sort of approach UM, which is

0:25:56.560 --> 0:25:58.600
<v Speaker 1>kind of cool that you know, it's not just not

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<v Speaker 1>just depending upon for mental agencies that have lots of

0:26:01.920 --> 0:26:05.359
<v Speaker 1>different you know, things pulling on them. Um. I did

0:26:05.440 --> 0:26:09.119
<v Speaker 1>read that scientists don't seem to believe that there's anything

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<v Speaker 1>likely to hit us in the next hundred years or

0:26:12.200 --> 0:26:14.440
<v Speaker 1>so right at the earliest, well at least nothing that

0:26:14.480 --> 0:26:17.760
<v Speaker 1>we can see. Yeah, exactly. So there's still the possibility

0:26:17.840 --> 0:26:21.080
<v Speaker 1>that something smaller it could hit and still cause massive damage.

0:26:21.080 --> 0:26:24.000
<v Speaker 1>It's just not gonna necessarily cause global damage, but it

0:26:24.040 --> 0:26:28.520
<v Speaker 1>could cause catastrophic local damage, you know. Um. Yeah, there's

0:26:28.560 --> 0:26:32.080
<v Speaker 1>some interesting organizations out there that are dedicated to trying

0:26:32.280 --> 0:26:34.600
<v Speaker 1>to fix this problem. There's one called the B six

0:26:34.680 --> 0:26:39.159
<v Speaker 1>one to Foundation, uh, and they their goal is to

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<v Speaker 1>have a workable solution by that's coming up pretty pretty soon. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>If you guys want to learn more about the topic, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I can recommend a couple of things and how stuff works.

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<v Speaker 1>We actually have two articles that you go into more

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<v Speaker 1>detail about the stuff we've talked about. One is called

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<v Speaker 1>could we really blow up an incoming asteroid with a

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<v Speaker 1>nuclear bomb? And one is called could we stop an

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<v Speaker 1>asteroid on a collision course towards the Earth? And also, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a great program that aired on Discovery UM called

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<v Speaker 1>Bad Universe, and it was. It's hosted by Phil Plate,

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<v Speaker 1>the bad astronomer. Phil Plate, by the way, one of

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<v Speaker 1>my favorite bloggers and scientists out there, because he's one

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<v Speaker 1>of those scientists who really dedicates his work to explaining

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<v Speaker 1>science to the layman in terms that are easy, easy

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<v Speaker 1>to understand. It makes science fun and exciting, and he

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<v Speaker 1>does not shy away from topics like this where you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he's like, yeah, it'll kill you, so that's why I

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<v Speaker 1>gotta fix it. So he's very matter of fact about it. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>Really intelligent guy, very entertaining guy. So if you have

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<v Speaker 1>not read his stuff or watched his show, I do

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<v Speaker 1>recommend trying to catch that because it's he's a great guy.

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<v Speaker 1>And he also has a really amusing Twitter feed, and

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<v Speaker 1>he interacts with a lot of other uh Twitter Wisenheimer's

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<v Speaker 1>out there, like Jonathan Holton, Paul and Storm. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>um will be eaten. There's there's this kind of Twitter

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<v Speaker 1>rottie that I have formed up and uh and so um.

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<v Speaker 1>He often will chat with those folks in interesting and

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<v Speaker 1>entertaining ways. And he's and he shares a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>really cool science news through his Twitter feed as well.

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<v Speaker 1>I showed you that that amazing photo of the Space

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<v Speaker 1>Shuttle Endeavor across the sun. Yeah. Yeah, that was that

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<v Speaker 1>was courtesy of of Mr Phil Plate. So yeah, he's

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<v Speaker 1>written extensively about this, and he's he's talked about it

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<v Speaker 1>in his blogs and on on on the show Bad Universe. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>so I recommend that as well. And uh, well, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't have any other potential solutions off the top of

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<v Speaker 1>my head. Do you have anything else you want to

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<v Speaker 1>add before we conclude? Not in particular. Now, well, then, um,

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<v Speaker 1>I would suggest we all just take a moment to

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<v Speaker 1>uh to to ridicule the documentary Armageddon, uh for its

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<v Speaker 1>portrayal of how we would uh alter the course of

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<v Speaker 1>a of an asteroid by blowing it up real good

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<v Speaker 1>uh Texas style. But you have to land a space

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<v Speaker 1>shuttle on it first. Yeah, and you have to sing

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<v Speaker 1>the song I quoted at the beginning at some point,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh and Bruce Willis has to die. Oh spoiler alert. Yeah. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>I was interested in though, that scientists are also talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the possibility of of mining asteroids in an attempt

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<v Speaker 1>to understand them better. Um yeah, I did read that. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, although we may not necessarily be ready to

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<v Speaker 1>destroy one just yet that scientists even alter its path

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<v Speaker 1>right right, Um, But scientists are considering the possibility if uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, since they are tracking some asteroids that are

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<v Speaker 1>coming near to Earth and near and again space is big,

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<v Speaker 1>so near as a relative term. Um, But they're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the idea of visiting some near Earth asteroids with

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<v Speaker 1>the assibility of mining, you know, taking some samples of

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<v Speaker 1>the rocks that are there on the asteroid to get

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<v Speaker 1>a better understanding of elements in the universe and bringing

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<v Speaker 1>them back to Earth, which uh is a really cool idea.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't I don't imagine they would send people to

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<v Speaker 1>do that. Um. So the idea of doing the complex

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<v Speaker 1>calculation necessary to hit a moving object you know that's

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<v Speaker 1>coming around, um, take samples and then return to Earth.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's really fascinating stuff. And that's not exactly the

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<v Speaker 1>same topic. But I think it's a really cool application

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<v Speaker 1>of science and hope that if they can do that

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<v Speaker 1>that it will be fruitful and we'll learn a lot

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<v Speaker 1>from it. And that wraps up this classic episode all

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<v Speaker 1>of tech stuff. Hope you guys enjoyed it. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it was always fun to talk about these sort of

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<v Speaker 1>topics with Chris Palette keeping the ear out for Mr Pallette.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we might be able to lure him back

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<v Speaker 1>in for a very special episode later this year. No promises,

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<v Speaker 1>but there is a possibility. And it's always a pleasure

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<v Speaker 1>to have Chris in the studio. And it's been a

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<v Speaker 1>long time since we sat across from each other and

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<v Speaker 1>and did the old podcast thing. So here's hoping we

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