WEBVTT - It Could Happen Here Weekly 57 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:02.680 Hey, everybody, Robert Evans here, and I wanted to let 0:00:02.720 --> 0:00:06.359 you know this is a compilation episode. So every episode 0:00:06.480 --> 0:00:09.600 of the week that just happened is here in one 0:00:09.680 --> 0:00:13.440 convenient and with somewhat less ads package for you to 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:16.000 listen to in a long stretch if you want. If 0:00:16.000 --> 0:00:17.919 you've been listening to the episodes every day this week, 0:00:17.960 --> 0:00:20.159 there's gonna be nothing new here for you. But you 0:00:20.160 --> 0:00:22.759 can make your own decisions. So look, I ain't gonna 0:00:22.800 --> 0:00:26.240 hold you. I was not going to cover this because 0:00:26.239 --> 0:00:28.280 I feel like there's somebody needs to be discussed at 0:00:28.280 --> 0:00:30.600 the Domino table to cook out, you know, and I 0:00:30.640 --> 0:00:34.239 just don't want to feed the machine. But at some 0:00:34.320 --> 0:00:36.440 point we got to decide whose man is this? And 0:00:36.520 --> 0:00:40.680 somebody got come come get their boy yee. We got 0:00:40.680 --> 0:00:44.400 to decide, okay, when when did he cross the line? Y'all? 0:00:44.880 --> 0:00:48.920 And has he crossed the line? Because you know, the 0:00:48.960 --> 0:00:53.520 important nuance it this is how we've survived is collective, 0:00:54.160 --> 0:00:58.440 you know, slaves like the you know, we we needed 0:00:58.440 --> 0:01:00.600 each other to survive. So when somebody got out of line, 0:01:00.680 --> 0:01:03.200 we looked out for each other. You know. I don't 0:01:03.200 --> 0:01:04.640 know if you know this, but corn rows like the 0:01:04.680 --> 0:01:09.160 braids inside of people's hair were maps. You know, the 0:01:09.200 --> 0:01:12.280 Negro spirituals you you you sang songs. It's code for 0:01:12.280 --> 0:01:14.520 when it was time to go. Harriet Tubman when she 0:01:14.640 --> 0:01:17.880 got free, you know, she escaped herself and then decided 0:01:17.920 --> 0:01:19.560 I'm gonna go back and get as many people as 0:01:19.560 --> 0:01:21.480 I can, Like this is, this is our story. We 0:01:21.560 --> 0:01:23.560 take care of each other. So that's why it's hard 0:01:23.600 --> 0:01:25.760 for us to just write people off to just cancer, 0:01:25.880 --> 0:01:29.000 especially if they're black. It's hard for us because it's like, 0:01:29.720 --> 0:01:31.200 we need to take care of each other. We can't 0:01:31.280 --> 0:01:32.720 let these white people like tell us what to do 0:01:32.720 --> 0:01:36.119 with our volts. But that being said, at some point 0:01:36.160 --> 0:01:38.080 we're like, all right, nigga, you are on your own. 0:01:39.080 --> 0:01:42.440 You have hurt us too much and I never so 0:01:42.520 --> 0:01:46.120 I didn't want to cover yeah, because I still don't 0:01:46.160 --> 0:01:48.720 know how I feel. There are some statements that he 0:01:48.760 --> 0:01:52.640 said are obviously inexcusable, but I just didn't want to 0:01:52.640 --> 0:01:53.880 be a part of that. I want to be a 0:01:53.880 --> 0:01:57.720 part of that conversation the Kanye stands and I'm done 0:01:57.760 --> 0:01:59.120 with East people. I just don't want to be a 0:01:59.160 --> 0:02:02.800 part of conversation. What Sophie hit me and the good 0:02:02.800 --> 0:02:05.680 folks that it could happen here. Hit and was like, yo, uh, 0:02:05.720 --> 0:02:07.160 we got to talk about this, and I was like, 0:02:07.200 --> 0:02:10.080 all right, I was on the fence. We need to 0:02:10.080 --> 0:02:13.680 talk about it. Yo. Whose man's is this y'all? Somebody 0:02:13.680 --> 0:02:17.239 can get the boy. So it's a crossover with the 0:02:17.320 --> 0:02:21.320 Helmy Garrison Robert and it could happen here. Teams, Sharine 0:02:21.840 --> 0:02:24.800 and we discussed this stuff. So dropping into our feed 0:02:25.320 --> 0:02:29.359 and they feed it could happen here. For politics, that's rock. 0:02:36.360 --> 0:02:41.519 I'm just waiting for Kanye's gnostic phase. That a good 0:02:41.520 --> 0:02:46.160 develop good as soon as it starts being let start 0:02:46.240 --> 0:02:50.560 talking about Sophia and I'm excited for when he runs 0:02:50.600 --> 0:02:54.760 for a president uh and then declares his opponent to 0:02:54.840 --> 0:03:03.760 be we We're on the same track there. It's gonna 0:03:03.800 --> 0:03:06.760 be a good day. Welcome to It can happen here. 0:03:06.760 --> 0:03:10.880 In the podcast, when are we talking about Kanye West's 0:03:10.960 --> 0:03:17.360 inevitable war against the demi urge? Oh uh? We joined 0:03:17.360 --> 0:03:21.520 again by Shrine and prop So we just talked about 0:03:21.600 --> 0:03:24.320 kind of Kanye West history up towards his most recent 0:03:25.280 --> 0:03:27.800 White Lives Matter T shirts done and his anti Semitic 0:03:28.040 --> 0:03:31.200 posts on Instagram and Twitter dot com and my main 0:03:31.200 --> 0:03:34.520 interest in the aftermath of these statements is kind of 0:03:34.560 --> 0:03:38.120 mostly how right wing media reacted to what was going 0:03:38.160 --> 0:03:40.480 on in to one of their darling's kind of saying 0:03:40.560 --> 0:03:44.240 some questionable things, and what that might tell us about 0:03:44.280 --> 0:03:48.920 how they'll handle overt anti semitism and fascistic um kind 0:03:48.960 --> 0:03:52.680 of consumerism in the future. I'm going to do a 0:03:52.720 --> 0:03:56.800 quote from New Republic again about what happened in the 0:03:56.800 --> 0:04:01.800 direct aftermath of of Kanye West's post quote. Fox News 0:04:01.880 --> 0:04:05.080 meanwhile posted an article that West merely had been locked 0:04:05.080 --> 0:04:07.760 out of his account due to an unspecific violation of 0:04:07.800 --> 0:04:11.640 the company's policies. After spending such a fulesome number of 0:04:11.640 --> 0:04:13.760 hours providing him with a platform for his White Lives 0:04:13.800 --> 0:04:17.760 Matter stunt, The network a shewed coverage of his anti semitism, 0:04:17.800 --> 0:04:20.080 other than to point to it as the product of 0:04:20.279 --> 0:04:24.800 mental illness. The effort to sweep the second round of 0:04:24.880 --> 0:04:28.680 nasty bigotry under the rug after celebrating the initial outpouring 0:04:29.120 --> 0:04:33.320 is breathtakingly cynical, but not particularly surprising. The fact that 0:04:33.400 --> 0:04:36.520 West was at least for now d platformed from social 0:04:36.560 --> 0:04:39.120 media accounts that he was using to traffic hate speech 0:04:39.600 --> 0:04:44.760 is in itself catnip for far right figures and unquote 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:46.839 so many a far right rifter has tried to turn 0:04:46.839 --> 0:04:53.039 this into a free speech issue. Um. However, Kanye associate 0:04:53.160 --> 0:04:57.520 and Fashion Week White Lives Matter buddy Candace Owens tried 0:04:57.600 --> 0:05:01.880 to deny the anti semitism all together. Within days of 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:06.960 his Twitter rant. Canada, Owens on her Daily Wire podcast 0:05:07.839 --> 0:05:12.680 was defending Kanye, saying quote death Con three should be 0:05:12.720 --> 0:05:17.560 interpreted as a move to protect the Jewish people after all, 0:05:17.800 --> 0:05:22.960 because because because def con is a defensive military category, 0:05:23.279 --> 0:05:27.719 not an offensive military category. See, these are the words 0:05:27.720 --> 0:05:31.240 of a deeply un serious person. Exactly, I'll be in 0:05:31.320 --> 0:05:35.240 a very a very dangerous one, but deeply on serious. 0:05:35.800 --> 0:05:40.840 This is that's this is. It's those things. Okay, be conservative, 0:05:41.560 --> 0:05:45.320 I think, however you want. But it's that stuff that 0:05:45.600 --> 0:05:50.000 is so infuriating to me where I'm like, you know, 0:05:51.960 --> 0:05:57.000 you do not sit across the table from me, you know, 0:05:57.160 --> 0:06:00.359 you know, and it's like, okay, just I just like 0:06:00.440 --> 0:06:06.440 break character once, you know, just just like no, what 0:06:06.600 --> 0:06:08.960 is you like, There's no way I can't take you. 0:06:09.480 --> 0:06:13.080 There's no way you believe that, There's no way. Canderth 0:06:13.600 --> 0:06:15.240 has been playing the long game for a while, and 0:06:15.240 --> 0:06:18.400 that kind of reach that that reaches a culmination towards 0:06:18.440 --> 0:06:20.840 the end of this episode, which we'll talk about um, 0:06:21.160 --> 0:06:24.479 but let's let's let's let's play the clip there, because 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:26.880 she also does some pretty gross anti semitic kind of 0:06:27.480 --> 0:06:30.440 defensive stuff as well, talking about how you can't say 0:06:30.440 --> 0:06:32.800 the word Jewish without people getting upset. If you are 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:36.719 an honest person, you did not think this tweet was 0:06:36.880 --> 0:06:38.960 anti semitic. You did not think that he wrote this 0:06:39.000 --> 0:06:42.400 tweek because he hates or wants to genocide Jewish people. 0:06:42.440 --> 0:06:44.839 This is not represent at the beginning of the Holocaust. 0:06:44.839 --> 0:06:46.760 That's if you're an honest person, you'll meet that. You'll 0:06:46.800 --> 0:06:49.680 admit that right. If you're an honest person, when you 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:53.200 read this tweet, you had no idea what the hell 0:06:53.240 --> 0:06:56.200 he was talking about. I had I had no idea 0:06:56.480 --> 0:06:58.680 when I read this tweet what the hell he was 0:06:58.720 --> 0:07:02.679 talking about. The tweet inspired questions, not answers. First and foremost, 0:07:02.880 --> 0:07:08.119 what is death Con three? Did he mean deaf Con three, 0:07:08.640 --> 0:07:12.520 which would be a military defense position, not to an offense, 0:07:12.560 --> 0:07:15.960 for those of you that are offended, a military defense position. 0:07:16.480 --> 0:07:19.160 Is he tweeting this because he's reading the Newsweek headline 0:07:19.200 --> 0:07:22.680 calling him an anti Semitic. Is he angry because he 0:07:22.800 --> 0:07:25.239 can't believe that he's not free to talk about people 0:07:25.280 --> 0:07:28.679 in his life who happened to be Jewish right without 0:07:28.760 --> 0:07:30.920 being accused of anti Semitism. Is he's saying, I'm not 0:07:30.960 --> 0:07:33.200 gonna shut up, and I'm gonna keep tweeting, and I'm 0:07:33.240 --> 0:07:36.840 gonna keep calling these people out, referring to his friends 0:07:36.840 --> 0:07:38.920 that he feels slided by, as he talking about Jared 0:07:39.000 --> 0:07:42.760 Kushner and Josh Krishner. If you're a liar, you'll say, 0:07:42.840 --> 0:07:45.640 I know I was scared. Canis I actually thought that 0:07:45.720 --> 0:07:49.120 Kanye West was going to launch a military strike in Israel? 0:07:49.440 --> 0:07:51.400 Because that's the reaction, Like when I woke up and 0:07:51.440 --> 0:07:54.560 I looked at the headlines, of reaction was like Kanye 0:07:54.600 --> 0:07:58.560 West had gotten together a military strike and it was 0:07:58.640 --> 0:08:01.160 going to go forward in the morning time in Israel. 0:08:01.240 --> 0:08:05.000 That was That was the reaction that was met with 0:08:05.000 --> 0:08:08.440 this Sweek. Now, once again, I want to make this 0:08:08.760 --> 0:08:11.320 very clear. This is not a defensive tweet. This is 0:08:11.360 --> 0:08:15.000 an open question which never seems to happen anymore. It's 0:08:15.040 --> 0:08:19.640 like you cannot even say the war Jewish without people 0:08:19.680 --> 0:08:22.640 getting upsets in the same way that you're not allowed 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:26.200 to say black anymore. So there is definitely a lot 0:08:26.440 --> 0:08:29.600 in that clip. Um. I guess first off, we can 0:08:29.600 --> 0:08:34.400 talk about talking about the tweet as simply asking questions 0:08:34.559 --> 0:08:38.360 about Jewish people. It's like you're just like directly doing 0:08:38.400 --> 0:08:42.880 the Jewish question, Like what you can't frame this just 0:08:42.960 --> 0:08:45.720 ask like you're just asking questions about Jewish people. Really, 0:08:46.160 --> 0:08:49.439 and then and then Owens tries to link this to 0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:53.640 like a Zionist position, implying that attacks on Jewish people 0:08:54.080 --> 0:08:57.920 and anti Semitism are only legitimate if they're they're in 0:08:57.960 --> 0:09:01.640 the form of a military act against the nation of Israel, 0:09:02.040 --> 0:09:06.040 which is not how anti Sumitism operates. That's like, that's 0:09:06.040 --> 0:09:07.960 just that's just that's just not what that is like 0:09:08.000 --> 0:09:12.480 that it's it's it's pretty gross again. Just it's it's 0:09:12.480 --> 0:09:16.040 the same daily wire racism denying stick by you know, 0:09:16.440 --> 0:09:18.440 it's it's it's the same thing they do by saying 0:09:18.520 --> 0:09:22.440 racism doesn't exist anymore because they're not racist laws in America, 0:09:22.679 --> 0:09:27.600 which first of all isn't even true. But second of all, 0:09:27.760 --> 0:09:30.080 that's not what racism is like that that that even 0:09:30.080 --> 0:09:33.679 if there weren't racist laws. That doesn't mean there's no racism. 0:09:33.880 --> 0:09:40.959 Um man, she like the man. It's like like I'm 0:09:40.960 --> 0:09:42.920 trying to put my words together because there's a certain 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:48.240 type of like sinisterness. Yeah, it's a type of yeah, 0:09:48.360 --> 0:09:52.600 it's about they're both deeply un serious. But it's also 0:09:53.160 --> 0:09:56.800 like explicitly complicit in the in the like the rise 0:09:56.880 --> 0:10:01.120 of far right Christian fascism, like it's it's it's so absurd, 0:10:01.200 --> 0:10:04.559 but in a very dark way like it's it's it's yeah, 0:10:04.600 --> 0:10:07.200 I heard Kanye this morning. This is what days this 0:10:07.240 --> 0:10:12.559 October October, a clip from Pierce Morgan no less, like 0:10:13.160 --> 0:10:17.960 trying to call him on his anti semitism and yeah, 0:10:18.200 --> 0:10:20.480 just like I know we're talking about Candice, but it's 0:10:20.520 --> 0:10:24.160 like it's in the same vein of like ain't no 0:10:24.200 --> 0:10:27.640 way you believe it is? Is in in that he 0:10:27.760 --> 0:10:30.200 was like, listen, I apologize. I was talking about my 0:10:30.360 --> 0:10:36.960 experience in the music industry, which is a verifiable fact 0:10:37.880 --> 0:10:43.559 ran by Jews, And I was like, you can bro 0:10:43.760 --> 0:10:47.400 you ain't no way, ain't no way, and just character 0:10:47.520 --> 0:10:52.079 like Alex Jones broke character before, like uh, what's tuck across? 0:10:52.080 --> 0:10:54.800 In both character Tuck across in in court was like 0:10:54.880 --> 0:10:58.120 this entertainment, don't take me serious, you know, just like 0:10:58.240 --> 0:11:00.880 let me have that moment where I'm like, Okay, at 0:11:00.960 --> 0:11:04.280 least be honest with what I'm dealing with here, Just 0:11:04.360 --> 0:11:07.840 break character one like this. Just give me that at 0:11:07.920 --> 0:11:10.240 least I know what I'm dealing with. No, Yeah, like 0:11:10.559 --> 0:11:13.200 saying this is an open question. You cannot say the 0:11:13.200 --> 0:11:16.800 word Jewish that people are getting upset, like you know 0:11:16.840 --> 0:11:20.760 what you're doing, and with the with the after the 0:11:20.920 --> 0:11:23.640 like death calm. Three tweets follow up implying that Jewish 0:11:23.640 --> 0:11:27.840 people emitted cancel culture, like Robert said, directly referenced that 0:11:27.920 --> 0:11:31.160 that's that is just directly ripped from like Nazi theory. 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:35.680 Um like it's it's it's so blatant. Like even even 0:11:35.760 --> 0:11:40.199 Cannice Owens's boss Ben Shapiro had to acknowledge that Kanye's 0:11:40.200 --> 0:11:44.160 tweets were anti Semitic. He he made He made a 0:11:44.160 --> 0:11:48.439 tweet saying back from the Jewish Holiday now, which don't 0:11:49.600 --> 0:11:52.560 like Ben Shapiro, I know what you're doing. I know 0:11:52.559 --> 0:11:55.040 what you're calling it to the Jewish holiday. Fuck you 0:11:55.840 --> 0:11:58.880 back from the Jewish Holiday now. As usual, two things 0:11:58.960 --> 0:12:02.480 can be true at once. Kanye's moves towards pro life 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:07.840 faith and family conservatism are encouraging his death. Com three 0:12:07.920 --> 0:12:11.240 posts and black Hebrew is Alite language are clearly anti 0:12:11.280 --> 0:12:15.400 Semitic and disturbing. It's like Ben Shapiro, like, the more 0:12:16.120 --> 0:12:18.240 this is, this is, this is this. This is basically 0:12:18.280 --> 0:12:21.000 Ben Shapiro saying the more he agrees with me, the 0:12:21.040 --> 0:12:23.120 more he becomes a Nazi. But I'm sure this is 0:12:23.120 --> 0:12:27.760 just a coincidence, which which I did steal from. I 0:12:27.920 --> 0:12:33.480 did steal that from someone on Twitter. So well, thanks, um, well, 0:12:33.520 --> 0:12:37.040 thanks gonna be true. Look, look, both things, bothings gonna 0:12:37.040 --> 0:12:40.760 be Let's say that you all right, Um, I'm gonna 0:12:40.760 --> 0:12:42.600 do it. I'm gonna do a brief tangent on this 0:12:42.600 --> 0:12:47.160 guy named Jason Woodlock. So Woodlock is a sports journalist 0:12:47.240 --> 0:12:51.800 and podcaster who hosts the show Fearless Soldiers on Glenn 0:12:51.840 --> 0:12:55.880 Beck's Blaze Media, where he quote protects the realm of 0:12:56.200 --> 0:13:00.319 common sense and challenges the group think Mandy did by 0:13:00.320 --> 0:13:03.640 elites um and he has like over half a million 0:13:03.679 --> 0:13:08.400 followers on Twitter dot com. He made a series of 0:13:08.559 --> 0:13:11.760 not great statements that are still up and went extremely 0:13:11.840 --> 0:13:15.280 viral with a lot of likes. Um saying, quote Kanye 0:13:15.280 --> 0:13:19.200 West and Dave Chappelle, is there a pattern the industry 0:13:19.320 --> 0:13:23.199 wants both of them canceled. Black raffers and comedians are 0:13:23.240 --> 0:13:27.320 free to denigrate black people and white men a million 0:13:27.360 --> 0:13:30.320 different ways, but there's a line they better not cross, 0:13:30.640 --> 0:13:34.679 and everyone knows it. I wonder, I wonder what he's saying. 0:13:34.760 --> 0:13:38.040 I wonder what he's implying there. The conflation of this 0:13:38.160 --> 0:13:41.760 is actually also as person a member of the black community, 0:13:41.800 --> 0:13:46.440 car carrying that is that is frustrating in and that 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:51.760 we do need to talk about, you know, among ourselves, 0:13:51.800 --> 0:13:56.720 like what is acceptable in terms of how we speak 0:13:56.760 --> 0:13:59.480 about our own women, how we speak about you know, 0:13:59.600 --> 0:14:01.560 our little brothers and sisters in the world. That is 0:14:01.600 --> 0:14:03.880 something that needs to be discussed. But you don't get 0:14:03.920 --> 0:14:08.200 to call it at you know. So Jason Jason is black, 0:14:08.520 --> 0:14:13.200 but he similarly works for a far right media company. UM, 0:14:13.320 --> 0:14:14.840 I'm gonna give you. I'm gonna give you a phrase 0:14:14.920 --> 0:14:17.600 and you could use this later. Okay. I'm pretty sure 0:14:17.600 --> 0:14:20.560 Serene knows it too. It's all scan folk and kim folk. 0:14:22.120 --> 0:14:25.720 So just go ahead continue. And what he's talking about here, 0:14:25.760 --> 0:14:28.880 saying that there's there's there's a you're you're free to 0:14:28.920 --> 0:14:31.600 you know, talk about you know, bad things that black 0:14:31.640 --> 0:14:34.520 people and white people have done. The line that you 0:14:34.520 --> 0:14:37.400 better not cross. He's he's obviously talking about Jewish people. Um, 0:14:37.440 --> 0:14:40.200 someone some of someone asking him, hey, what's what is 0:14:40.240 --> 0:14:44.800 this line? And then Jason posted, you can't question black 0:14:44.920 --> 0:14:51.160 entertainers unhealthy relationship with non religious Jewish power brokers in Hollywood. 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:57.800 Yeah okay, yeah uh he this this was obviously called 0:14:57.800 --> 0:15:01.160 out as being extremely anti Semitic, which then he replied, 0:15:01.760 --> 0:15:04.120 you think I have a problem with people who speak 0:15:04.200 --> 0:15:08.480 a Semitic language. Not true. I have a problem with 0:15:08.600 --> 0:15:12.760 the secular culture, particularly Hollywood's promotion of it and black 0:15:12.760 --> 0:15:16.320 celebrities embrace of it. I believe those celebs have an 0:15:16.400 --> 0:15:21.320 unhealthy partnership with non religious Jewish people. He chose which 0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:24.000 words that was a dance again, this is this is 0:15:24.120 --> 0:15:26.720 just exactly, you're just doing anti semitism like you can't, 0:15:26.880 --> 0:15:30.320 you can't like it's not about speaking a Semitic language, 0:15:30.360 --> 0:15:33.200 and you know that, like you know this, you're you're 0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:37.360 you're just doing a bit like here and here's what's crazy, 0:15:37.440 --> 0:15:41.040 Like you know, in in my early days, of like 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:45.000 moving into more like activist kind of justice circles and 0:15:45.000 --> 0:15:48.480 and for real, like even in some of the like 0:15:48.680 --> 0:15:50.680 church spaces I was in because again I grew up 0:15:50.680 --> 0:15:53.440 in like a very different church tradition. And the rest 0:15:53.440 --> 0:15:59.880 of these foods is that the Jewish community was in 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:04.640 a lot of ways upheld as an example for us 0:16:04.640 --> 0:16:08.920 in that like, look, they don't let nobody talk about nobody. 0:16:08.960 --> 0:16:10.800 They don't let they don't they don't let it ride. 0:16:10.920 --> 0:16:12.600 You're not allowed to talk to me. And they were like, 0:16:12.920 --> 0:16:15.240 we need to be like that. They're like the way 0:16:15.280 --> 0:16:18.040 that the way that like, look they come in they said, 0:16:18.080 --> 0:16:22.200 if their community, they they keep their money within their community, 0:16:22.280 --> 0:16:24.560 like their dollars circulated around that and when you look 0:16:24.600 --> 0:16:26.800 at like statistics, they were saying among the black community, 0:16:26.800 --> 0:16:29.440 it's like a dollar, you know, a dollar only circulates 0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:30.960 once through our community, you know what I'm saying. And 0:16:31.080 --> 0:16:33.000 like I don't have the numbers right, but they were saying, 0:16:33.000 --> 0:16:35.640 like within the Jewish community, that dollar goes around like 0:16:35.680 --> 0:16:39.000 fifty six seventy eight times because they support each other, 0:16:39.400 --> 0:16:41.040 you know. And they were like that's something that as 0:16:41.080 --> 0:16:42.960 black people, we need to start learning how to do, 0:16:43.080 --> 0:16:45.440 like yo, stop being crabs in the bucket, like support 0:16:45.520 --> 0:16:47.520 each other. You know what I'm saying, Man, learn from 0:16:47.560 --> 0:16:50.600 their community, you know, learn from the fact that like 0:16:50.760 --> 0:16:53.320 you know, they keep their narrative alive. They don't allow 0:16:53.320 --> 0:16:56.280 oppression to happen to them. They they stuck together. How 0:16:56.320 --> 0:16:57.960 they accrued wealth. You know what I'm saying. I don't 0:16:58.000 --> 0:17:00.400 know how healthy this understanding is, but I'm saying that's 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:02.280 what we saw, Like look at how they accrued wealth, 0:17:02.360 --> 0:17:05.439 like learned from them, you know. So so when it 0:17:05.640 --> 0:17:09.200 when when you hear it coming out of a black 0:17:09.320 --> 0:17:13.320 entertainer's mouth, something anti, it just it grates even more 0:17:13.359 --> 0:17:18.280 because you just like, man, what like I think one 0:17:18.320 --> 0:17:20.080 of the acts of that, which we're actually gonna get 0:17:20.080 --> 0:17:21.720 to in a bit, is some of that kind of 0:17:21.760 --> 0:17:24.240 admiration can be a double edged sword though it is. 0:17:24.400 --> 0:17:25.960 That's what I'm saying, Like, I don't know how healthy 0:17:25.960 --> 0:17:28.520 it is, Like that's what we were taught. Yeah, but 0:17:28.560 --> 0:17:31.840 like like like what you said about like there you 0:17:31.880 --> 0:17:35.520 know how a dollar circulates way more. You see Kanye 0:17:35.600 --> 0:17:37.800 later starting to use some of that rhetoric in terms 0:17:37.840 --> 0:17:42.600 of promoting Jewish people as like controllers of financial engineering, 0:17:42.960 --> 0:17:44.959 like you see that type of you see that bridge. 0:17:45.119 --> 0:17:47.320 We're gonna talk about that like in a sect. Also, 0:17:47.480 --> 0:17:50.400 quick piece of history about Jewish Jewish people in banking, 0:17:51.119 --> 0:17:56.320 which it's ill like they as a people got into that. 0:17:57.080 --> 0:17:59.400 They were basically they were forced to because they weren't 0:17:59.400 --> 0:18:02.520 allowed farm land, like you wasn't allowed to farm. So 0:18:02.560 --> 0:18:04.840 they're like, well, we gotta find a job somehow, Let's 0:18:04.880 --> 0:18:08.000 do banking. You imagine they're good at it, like you know, 0:18:08.600 --> 0:18:11.400 I mean, I mean, like this is this part that's 0:18:11.440 --> 0:18:13.320 like really can't. I'm like, you know, why do you 0:18:13.320 --> 0:18:19.000 know why jazz exists? Segregation, naked racism, that's why blues, 0:18:19.440 --> 0:18:23.480 Why is there hip hop? Because sep sect like we 0:18:23.560 --> 0:18:26.560 did something with the trash you gave us, Like so 0:18:26.680 --> 0:18:30.640 I think that, yeah, anyway, segregation made that happen. I'm 0:18:30.640 --> 0:18:33.840 going to read a quote from Ya Rosenberg. Quote. Kane's 0:18:33.960 --> 0:18:37.520 tweets exemplify why anti Semitism is so hard to uproot. 0:18:37.960 --> 0:18:42.080 It's a self affirming conspiracy theory. The anti Semite claims 0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:46.000 that Jews control everything. Then if they're penalized for their bigotry, 0:18:46.040 --> 0:18:49.280 they point to that as proof heads they win, tails 0:18:49.560 --> 0:18:52.960 Jews lose Kanye posted his second tweet before the First 0:18:52.960 --> 0:18:56.159 World was taken down, perfectly demonstrating how the Jews control 0:18:56.200 --> 0:19:00.159 everything is a preemptive anti Semitic defense against consequences for 0:19:00.280 --> 0:19:04.440 expressing anti Semitism. It's a common misconception that anti Semitism 0:19:04.480 --> 0:19:07.920 is just a personal prejudice against Jewish people. It's not. 0:19:08.080 --> 0:19:11.520 It's also a conspiracy theory about how the entire world works, 0:19:11.840 --> 0:19:14.880 which is why it ropes in conspiracy theorists from all 0:19:14.960 --> 0:19:19.119 ideologies and all backgrounds. It creates this antagonizing catch twenty 0:19:19.160 --> 0:19:22.359 two for Jews when confronted with anti semitism. If we 0:19:22.400 --> 0:19:26.040 say nothing, the hatred spreads unchecked. If we say something 0:19:26.119 --> 0:19:29.120 and it results in any consequences for the anti Semite, 0:19:29.160 --> 0:19:31.560 the bigot just uses that as proof of their anti 0:19:31.560 --> 0:19:35.760 Semitic world view. So that's a good kind of one 0:19:35.760 --> 0:19:39.560 oh one explainer on how this kind of whole thing operates. 0:19:39.600 --> 0:19:42.960 You know, talking about Jewish power brokers in Hollywood and 0:19:43.080 --> 0:19:45.000 people called out on that, They're like, oh see, this 0:19:45.040 --> 0:19:48.360 is an example of them trying to silence the truth. 0:19:48.560 --> 0:19:51.480 And you know, all of this type of ship. Um. 0:19:51.520 --> 0:19:56.560 The one super interesting thing that has happened since all 0:19:56.640 --> 0:19:59.360 of these tweets and the aftermath and stuff has has 0:19:59.400 --> 0:20:05.000 has happened is that we got some leaked video from 0:20:05.080 --> 0:20:10.400 the Tucker Carlson and kan Gae video. So this is this, this, 0:20:10.400 --> 0:20:17.959 this is this is fascinating. Um So Vice Vice's motherboard 0:20:18.920 --> 0:20:23.119 obtained footage of Kanye making bigotings, statements about Jutish people, 0:20:23.119 --> 0:20:26.200 and bizarre clams about fake children, as well as describing 0:20:26.400 --> 0:20:29.520 visions of connecting of kinetic energy cities sent to him 0:20:29.560 --> 0:20:34.639 by God. And uh, we're not sure how Vice got 0:20:34.680 --> 0:20:41.440 these unaired clips, but we have them and they're extremely fascinating, 0:20:41.480 --> 0:20:43.680 both on for like what Kanye is doing and how 0:20:43.920 --> 0:20:47.560 he made these statements before his tweets. Um Also it's 0:20:47.640 --> 0:20:50.960 interesting on like what Tucker is doing, like your explicitly 0:20:51.040 --> 0:20:55.600 obfuscating direct anti Semitism but still allowing the dog whistles 0:20:55.600 --> 0:21:00.440 to be to be present. Um So, inside there interview 0:21:00.920 --> 0:21:04.359 that that did air, Carlson and Kanye together outlined some 0:21:04.400 --> 0:21:08.919 of Fox's favorite boogeyman from the Clintons, COVID restrictions, cancel culture, 0:21:09.000 --> 0:21:12.040 and liberal elites. But what Fox left on the cutting 0:21:12.119 --> 0:21:16.720 room floor is just as revealing. The Tucker Carlson Tonight's 0:21:16.720 --> 0:21:19.160 team decided to edit out a clip of Kanye saying 0:21:19.200 --> 0:21:24.560 that he's vaccinated against COVID nineteen, which is you know, okay, yeah. 0:21:24.640 --> 0:21:27.879 In a segment talking about black genocide and planned parenthood, 0:21:28.119 --> 0:21:32.359 they edited out Kanye's statements about the lost twelve Tribes 0:21:32.400 --> 0:21:37.119 of Judah. Planned parenthood was made by Margaret Sanger, a 0:21:37.280 --> 0:21:44.760 known eugenics with the KKK two control the Jew population. 0:21:44.880 --> 0:21:48.240 When I say ju, I mean the twelve Lost Tribes 0:21:48.280 --> 0:21:53.359 of Judah, the Blood of Christ. Who the race the 0:21:53.480 --> 0:21:56.720 people known as the race black really are? This is 0:21:56.760 --> 0:21:59.600 who are people are the Blood of Christ? This as 0:21:59.640 --> 0:22:03.720 a Chris sh is my belief. So inside the television 0:22:03.720 --> 0:22:07.200 broadcast it has it has those parts about planned parenthood 0:22:07.440 --> 0:22:11.199 and the KKK, but then after he mentions the KKK, 0:22:11.600 --> 0:22:14.040 it cuts three seconds ahead, so it skips over all 0:22:14.040 --> 0:22:18.240 that stuff around Jews and the the lost twelve Tribes 0:22:18.240 --> 0:22:19.800 of Judah, which kind of get that that is that 0:22:19.920 --> 0:22:22.480 is some of the type of black Hebrew Israel stuff 0:22:22.520 --> 0:22:25.120 that Robert and prop were talking about in the previous episode. 0:22:25.359 --> 0:22:30.280 How they're they're one of the lost tribes who went south. Um, 0:22:30.359 --> 0:22:32.800 So that that is that, But it's interesting so like 0:22:33.400 --> 0:22:36.040 he's directly talking about that way before his tweets that 0:22:36.240 --> 0:22:39.600 Tucker just completely edited out now on the on the 0:22:39.600 --> 0:22:43.119 planned parenthood point. So Sanger was indeed a racist and 0:22:43.760 --> 0:22:47.040 you genicist um, a stance that the Planned Parenthood organization 0:22:47.080 --> 0:22:51.639 has since like obviously denounced um. But you know, claims 0:22:51.640 --> 0:22:55.400 about Planned Parenthood specifically operating to kill unborn black babies 0:22:55.800 --> 0:22:59.520 are just common rhetoric in the pro life like circles 0:22:59.640 --> 0:23:02.560 and conspiracy spaces. It's not that that part is not 0:23:02.800 --> 0:23:06.639 really true, but it's a very common talking point that 0:23:07.119 --> 0:23:11.640 Margaret Sanger point is is something that like, yeah, you know, 0:23:11.840 --> 0:23:16.960 even I like in my sort of you know, evolution 0:23:17.000 --> 0:23:19.639 of the way I think and feel and believe. You know, 0:23:19.840 --> 0:23:21.440 I'm the child of a black panther, you know what 0:23:21.480 --> 0:23:24.400 I'm saying. So like when you you you hear things 0:23:24.480 --> 0:23:27.440 about eugenics and Margaret Sanger in a connection a plan 0:23:27.560 --> 0:23:29.320 herod but and you're like, oh, well, yeah, no, that 0:23:29.400 --> 0:23:32.200 stuff is evil, you know what I mean? UM, And 0:23:32.400 --> 0:23:37.680 you know obviously I I'm a I'm assist gendered male, 0:23:38.080 --> 0:23:43.879 you know. So there there's definitely holes in the story 0:23:43.920 --> 0:23:47.560 of understanding the complications of what it means what abortion 0:23:47.600 --> 0:23:50.640 and reproductive rights mean because I just I didn't know, 0:23:51.000 --> 0:23:54.639 you know. And uh, but as you you know, grow mature, 0:23:54.800 --> 0:24:00.320 travel for me, like the the biggest, the biggest change 0:24:00.359 --> 0:24:04.640 in my thinking has been travel and relationships and just 0:24:05.040 --> 0:24:07.280 you know what I used to say reading off the 0:24:07.359 --> 0:24:11.800 naughty List, you know, uh, and you start understanding those complications. 0:24:11.800 --> 0:24:15.480 But yeah, that was like that that Margaret Sanger note 0:24:16.320 --> 0:24:18.919 is a note that's hit often, you know, and it 0:24:19.000 --> 0:24:23.240 becomes very difficult until you're like, so you till you 0:24:23.400 --> 0:24:25.480 until you in the situation, you know what I mean, 0:24:25.520 --> 0:24:28.080 and like you are like, look, this is this is 0:24:28.480 --> 0:24:31.720 this is affordable healthcare and it's right down the street, 0:24:31.960 --> 0:24:34.960 you know. And when you're in that situation, it's like again, 0:24:35.080 --> 0:24:37.199 like all the boogeyman's and all the stories and all 0:24:37.240 --> 0:24:40.160 the warnings, all of it falls apart, you know, once 0:24:40.200 --> 0:24:43.119 you actually see this stuff in practice. So yeah, that 0:24:43.240 --> 0:24:45.200 but that that Margaret Sanger, well, I was a that's 0:24:45.200 --> 0:24:47.679 a tough title swallow. And the Planned Parent Organization has 0:24:47.680 --> 0:24:51.880 spent a long time trying to amend for their for 0:24:52.040 --> 0:24:55.119 their like an initial inclination and some of the like 0:24:55.440 --> 0:24:58.520 you genicists starting points that that they had and making 0:24:58.520 --> 0:25:02.280 sure that they're not they're not you know, yeah, continuing 0:25:02.400 --> 0:25:07.720 in that oh yeah, and like and like actually addressing like, hey, 0:25:07.880 --> 0:25:12.880 is the locations of our clinics specifically geared towards like 0:25:15.000 --> 0:25:17.920 being in more targeted communities where it's like lower class 0:25:17.920 --> 0:25:20.760 and people of color as opposed to white, affluent communities, 0:25:20.760 --> 0:25:22.639 and they have they have taken steps to actually like 0:25:23.080 --> 0:25:25.520 make sure that they're planning of clinics and locations is 0:25:25.560 --> 0:25:29.400 not it's not oversaturated in Yeah, and that being said, 0:25:29.440 --> 0:25:32.720 I'm like a white communities, they got healthcare, So it's 0:25:32.720 --> 0:25:34.680 like there's a different story, you know what I'm saying. 0:25:34.720 --> 0:25:36.639 It's like, you go where it's needed. I'm like, I 0:25:36.680 --> 0:25:38.720 ain't got no healthcare over here. That's why they here, 0:25:39.119 --> 0:25:41.280 you know. I Mean, this isn't obviously, this isn't a 0:25:41.280 --> 0:25:45.000 planned parenthood stand video or podcast. But at the same time, 0:25:45.400 --> 0:25:48.200 I'm like, well, of course they got their problems, like 0:25:48.240 --> 0:25:51.240 every other organization got their problems. But like the idea 0:25:51.280 --> 0:25:57.520 that there's this like sinister plot, you know, is clearly 0:25:57.560 --> 0:26:01.400 the rantings of someone who is not well. It does 0:26:01.520 --> 0:26:05.359 it's it is parenting, just conspiracy talking points. At this point, 0:26:05.359 --> 0:26:07.480 the way, the way he doesn't the way he's doing. 0:26:08.200 --> 0:26:10.720 And in one of the more blatantly anti semitic sections 0:26:10.720 --> 0:26:14.560 that were that was edited out, Kanye complains about Kwanza 0:26:15.200 --> 0:26:18.120 being taught to his kids in school and and says 0:26:18.119 --> 0:26:20.919 that he would prefer his kids learn Hanaka because it 0:26:20.960 --> 0:26:25.000 comes with financial engineering. Was biting my tongue on my 0:26:25.040 --> 0:26:28.520 political opinion because I thought it would be better for 0:26:28.600 --> 0:26:31.840 my children. And now you look up and my kids 0:26:31.840 --> 0:26:35.760 are going to a school that teaches black kids a 0:26:35.840 --> 0:26:41.480 complicated Kwanza. I prefer my kids new Hanaka and Kuanza. 0:26:41.960 --> 0:26:46.159 At least it will come with some financial engineering. I'm sorry, 0:26:46.160 --> 0:26:50.400 what wait? I mean? This is? This is this type 0:26:50.440 --> 0:26:52.440 of thing like you should learn from the Jews because 0:26:52.440 --> 0:26:56.280 they're good at controlling money. Like yeah, it makes me 0:26:56.320 --> 0:26:58.639 feel like he purposely tweeted that stuff because it was 0:26:58.680 --> 0:27:02.560 cut out, like because like maybe ing his idea of 0:27:02.600 --> 0:27:05.040 being I mean, I think I think he tweeted that 0:27:05.040 --> 0:27:07.159 stuff out. He tweeted that he tweeted up on Twitter 0:27:07.200 --> 0:27:10.280 in response to him getting banned on Instagram, and the 0:27:10.280 --> 0:27:13.600 stuff on Instagram was directly against a rapper who was 0:27:13.640 --> 0:27:17.040 calling him out on his ship um I don't know 0:27:17.080 --> 0:27:23.320 if Kanye watched the Tucker Carlson interview. I don't know. UM. 0:27:23.400 --> 0:27:27.679 And then in one of the more bizarre things that 0:27:27.720 --> 0:27:30.879 he said, Kanye West talked about a so called fake 0:27:31.040 --> 0:27:34.639 child that had been planted in his home, including he 0:27:35.160 --> 0:27:37.600 went into explicit detail talking about the child's name and 0:27:37.640 --> 0:27:40.600 the parents name and this this video clip was not 0:27:40.680 --> 0:27:45.360 posted to protect the family's privacy. UM, but he went 0:27:45.359 --> 0:27:47.719 into great detail. And we have some we have some 0:27:47.760 --> 0:27:51.800 like transcripts saying, I actors, professional actors placed into my 0:27:51.840 --> 0:27:58.000 house to sexualize my kids. He he he referred to 0:27:58.000 --> 0:28:00.879 the so called son of an associate, seemingly implying that 0:28:00.920 --> 0:28:03.840 the child was fake, saying that we we we we 0:28:03.880 --> 0:28:07.240 did not believe that the person was her son because 0:28:07.400 --> 0:28:11.400 he was way smarter than her. UM. And he it's 0:28:11.800 --> 0:28:15.040 it's the This is like the most clear example of 0:28:15.080 --> 0:28:17.680 the ramblings of someone who like isn't okay, Like it's 0:28:18.160 --> 0:28:21.879 like like someone having a mental health episode like. Connie 0:28:22.000 --> 0:28:26.040 has spoken frequently about living with bipolar disorder and experiencing 0:28:26.160 --> 0:28:29.320 manic episodes. In twenty nineteen, he discussed how experiences these 0:28:29.359 --> 0:28:32.240 with David Letterman, saying, quote, when you're in the state, 0:28:32.480 --> 0:28:36.160 you're hyper parented about everything and everyone in my experience, 0:28:36.400 --> 0:28:39.760 other people have different experiences. You know, everyone is now 0:28:39.800 --> 0:28:42.800 an actor, Everything is now a conspiracy, uncut and this 0:28:42.840 --> 0:28:45.640 is what's happening. You're thinking everyone's an actor and everyone's conspiracy. 0:28:45.840 --> 0:28:48.520 You're really I mean, you can look at gang stocking, 0:28:48.600 --> 0:28:53.560 which is probably an expression of people having schizophrenic episodes, 0:28:54.120 --> 0:28:57.160 where people believe that like crowds of just random folks 0:28:57.160 --> 0:28:59.880 on the street are like part of an organized stalking 0:29:00.040 --> 0:29:04.000 thing or just there's these One kind of common thing 0:29:04.080 --> 0:29:07.240 that happens in psychotic episodes for some people is a 0:29:07.280 --> 0:29:10.640 belief that their loved ones, their spouse or whatever has 0:29:10.680 --> 0:29:13.480 been replaced by someone who looks exactly the sin. There's 0:29:13.480 --> 0:29:15.400 also certain kinds of like we call that damage. We 0:29:15.440 --> 0:29:20.760 call that Nathan Fielder syndrome. I was going to say that, 0:29:20.760 --> 0:29:27.000 but I didn't want to drag it to this. It's 0:29:27.320 --> 0:29:29.360 I mean, it's one of those This is I don't 0:29:29.400 --> 0:29:31.320 know how you actually would ever study this, but I 0:29:31.320 --> 0:29:34.720 think one of the major problems are our civilization has 0:29:34.800 --> 0:29:37.640 that might actually end us is the fact that every 0:29:37.680 --> 0:29:41.400 mental illness on the planet is vastly exacerbated by the 0:29:41.440 --> 0:29:44.160 person having a lot of money, which also happens to 0:29:44.160 --> 0:29:46.920 make it virtually impossible to treat because no one around 0:29:46.920 --> 0:29:49.560 you will admit that anything is wrong. And this again 0:29:50.200 --> 0:29:53.239 might someday, combined with the fact that we have an 0:29:53.240 --> 0:29:55.880 addiction on this planet to handing a single individual the 0:29:55.960 --> 0:29:58.720 keys to a nuclear stockpile, this might all end in 0:29:59.080 --> 0:30:02.560 really badly for everybody. And when you're one of those 0:30:02.560 --> 0:30:05.200 famous people in the world, you constantly feel like you're 0:30:05.200 --> 0:30:10.959 being gang stocked because you are like everyone watching you, 0:30:11.080 --> 0:30:14.440 like every like it's it's not humans weren't designed to 0:30:14.480 --> 0:30:16.560 reach that level of fame. That's not something that we'd 0:30:16.600 --> 0:30:20.280 like developed, Like, that's that's you shouldn't that should not 0:30:20.320 --> 0:30:23.120 be possible. Our brains are not equipped for it. Yeah, 0:30:23.160 --> 0:30:26.240 And then I feel like it's like they get affirmed 0:30:26.240 --> 0:30:28.720 in that belief because a lot of people do rely 0:30:28.840 --> 0:30:32.280 on them and maybe they're mania to like make sure 0:30:32.280 --> 0:30:36.200 they get paid or make sure like their family they're 0:30:36.240 --> 0:30:40.120 being Yeah, you're being you know, Like I have a 0:30:41.320 --> 0:30:46.640 small list of like actual like a list like celebrity 0:30:46.680 --> 0:30:50.120 friends who have been you know who are like for 0:30:50.200 --> 0:30:54.160 real celebrities and are also like, yeah, my uh my 0:30:54.320 --> 0:30:57.479 last accountants stole two hundred thousand dollars from me, Like, 0:30:57.600 --> 0:31:00.600 and I didn't even know, you know, uh this person, 0:31:00.960 --> 0:31:03.520 you know, I had this person on tour with me, 0:31:03.600 --> 0:31:07.040 and you know they robbed this guy robbed the opener. 0:31:07.200 --> 0:31:10.200 Like just all these like stories to where you're like, well, yeah, 0:31:10.240 --> 0:31:12.920 the people you do have around you, So even if 0:31:12.920 --> 0:31:15.440 you didn't have mental health issues, you would get paranoid, 0:31:15.520 --> 0:31:18.720 you would still get paranoid. Yeah, it's example to get paranoid. 0:31:18.840 --> 0:31:25.360 I mean, yeah, it's I yeah, all of it's all 0:31:25.400 --> 0:31:32.560 of this is very obvious as a problem. But and 0:31:32.600 --> 0:31:34.960 what's unsettling to me. Sorry, I just want to say 0:31:35.000 --> 0:31:37.880 really quickly, one of the things that the fact that Kanye, 0:31:38.120 --> 0:31:41.520 as you you pointed out years earlier, very astutely talked 0:31:41.520 --> 0:31:43.720 about the things that happened to him when he is 0:31:43.760 --> 0:31:48.040 having an episode in a very lucid way, makes me wonder, 0:31:48.160 --> 0:31:51.160 and maybe this is a little conspiratorial where they're people 0:31:51.320 --> 0:31:53.840 listening who are like, well, shit, if we can just 0:31:53.880 --> 0:31:55.680 play into that stuff, we might be able to get 0:31:55.720 --> 0:31:57.600 him to we might be able to push him in 0:31:57.600 --> 0:32:00.160 whatever direction we want. Because there's definitely a whole unch 0:32:00.160 --> 0:32:02.479 of people. I mean, I can totally see Kenda someone's 0:32:02.520 --> 0:32:05.440 doing that because because she's she's been playing him like 0:32:05.440 --> 0:32:07.880 a fiddle for a long time. And that's a long time. 0:32:08.080 --> 0:32:11.200 That's gonna reach a tipping point at the end, at 0:32:11.200 --> 0:32:14.640 the end end end of this episode. And one could ask, 0:32:15.640 --> 0:32:19.560 how could you be so heartless? Oh? How could you 0:32:19.600 --> 0:32:23.920 be so It wasn't how could you be there? Evil? 0:32:24.520 --> 0:32:28.680 But also I didn't get along the same thread of 0:32:28.920 --> 0:32:31.600 a tortured artist thinking they have to be depressed, yes, 0:32:32.000 --> 0:32:34.240 make art. I think there's an element of that even 0:32:34.600 --> 0:32:37.400 for Kanye, like I don't think, I mean, I think 0:32:37.400 --> 0:32:39.000 it was if he's medicated or not, you know what 0:32:39.000 --> 0:32:40.960 I mean, Like he is. He has said that sometimes 0:32:40.960 --> 0:32:44.560 he goes authentication. Yeah, exactly, you know, and I and yeah, 0:32:44.600 --> 0:32:47.840 the tortured artist thing. I know some like New York 0:32:47.840 --> 0:32:52.640 Times bestsellers authors who are like, yes, I know I'm bipolar, 0:32:52.800 --> 0:32:55.080 and I know when I have to write this book, 0:32:55.520 --> 0:32:57.800 I'm going to get off these pills. I'm gonna write 0:32:57.840 --> 0:33:00.240 it in in two days, I'm gonna turn in. And 0:33:01.200 --> 0:33:04.840 I think that's that's made worse by people like tying 0:33:05.120 --> 0:33:08.240 like people in doing my research for this episode, a 0:33:08.280 --> 0:33:10.680 lot of people talk to West in person and like 0:33:10.720 --> 0:33:14.040 talk about like his genius, And I think this idea 0:33:14.080 --> 0:33:18.040 of his genius mixed in with his mental state can 0:33:18.080 --> 0:33:21.360 create a really volatile reaction someone's brain when they feel 0:33:21.400 --> 0:33:24.520 like certain altered states of consciousness are what makes you 0:33:24.600 --> 0:33:28.680 have your genius. And that's really the way people have 0:33:28.720 --> 0:33:31.200 talked about this to Conye in person. I think it's 0:33:31.200 --> 0:33:35.080 really unhealthy. Yeah. I would argue that telling a child 0:33:35.080 --> 0:33:38.080 they're a genius is abusive, and it's probably true for 0:33:38.160 --> 0:33:40.280 telling an adult. It's one of the worst things you 0:33:40.320 --> 0:33:43.600 can ever tell anybody. Don't don't, no one's a genius. 0:33:43.680 --> 0:33:46.800 Stop using that word. It's poison. You think your illness 0:33:46.840 --> 0:33:51.120 is your genius? Yeah, going back to this, like to 0:33:51.280 --> 0:33:54.920 these leaked unused Tucker Carlson videos, something like this in 0:33:55.600 --> 0:34:00.000 a better world would like completely tank Tucker forever, Like yeah, 0:34:00.240 --> 0:34:03.120 but none of that matter because in any other yeah, 0:34:03.160 --> 0:34:06.840 in any other universe, at that point you should be like, yo, 0:34:06.880 --> 0:34:10.160 we gotta stop the cameras man. No. Yeah, Like, this 0:34:10.200 --> 0:34:13.320 leak reveals unequivocally how Carlson uses this platform to sanitize 0:34:13.320 --> 0:34:16.560 anti Semitism and other conspiracy theories. For a general audience. 0:34:16.880 --> 0:34:20.560 Carlson cuts out just enough to claim plausible deniability. This 0:34:20.640 --> 0:34:23.759 will not impact him professionally at all. Um, he makes 0:34:23.760 --> 0:34:28.200 his he makes a living manipult people on Fox News. Um, 0:34:28.239 --> 0:34:31.080 this should tank him. It won't, But it does reveal 0:34:31.480 --> 0:34:35.120 how he works with extreme clarity. Having these behind the 0:34:35.160 --> 0:34:39.640 scenes glimpses and then also having having the added context 0:34:39.760 --> 0:34:42.400 of these cut segments also shines a light on some 0:34:42.480 --> 0:34:45.480 of the more dog whistle the aspects that did make 0:34:45.520 --> 0:34:48.400 it into the aired interview. Uh like this bit that 0:34:48.480 --> 0:34:51.240 started with that that that that started with Kanye talking 0:34:51.280 --> 0:34:54.279 about his grievances with Jared Kushner, you know, or he 0:34:54.440 --> 0:34:57.120 made these peace treaties? Where was that? You know? The 0:34:57.160 --> 0:34:59.040 facts on this right here. So I'm like, well, I 0:34:59.040 --> 0:35:01.560 think that was between Israe and some of the Arab nations. 0:35:02.440 --> 0:35:06.239 I just think it was to make money. I don't know, 0:35:06.360 --> 0:35:07.840 is that is that too heavy handed to put in 0:35:07.840 --> 0:35:10.880 this platform? No, that's that's your opinion. We're not in 0:35:10.920 --> 0:35:15.799 a censorship business, Okay, thank you. And I just think 0:35:15.800 --> 0:35:19.399 that that's what they're about is making money. I don't 0:35:19.400 --> 0:35:22.359 think that they have the ability to make anything on 0:35:22.400 --> 0:35:24.960 their own. I think they were born into money. So 0:35:25.880 --> 0:35:27.720 when Kanye said I don't think they have the ability 0:35:27.760 --> 0:35:30.799 to make anything on their own and talking about, you know, 0:35:30.800 --> 0:35:34.160 peace treatise with the intention to make money, Carlson knew 0:35:34.200 --> 0:35:36.840 that Kanye was just talking about like the Jews, like 0:35:36.920 --> 0:35:39.200 that's like he he knew that's what was going on, 0:35:39.239 --> 0:35:45.320 and decided to keep those dog whistly aspects. It's yeah, 0:35:45.640 --> 0:35:48.880 I'm I'm going to quote from a lad near ry. 0:35:49.680 --> 0:35:52.920 This provides uncontrovertible proof that Carlson knew Kanye was being 0:35:52.960 --> 0:35:56.480 anti Semitic during the interview. In other words, Tucker Carlson 0:35:56.520 --> 0:35:59.080 and his team purposely edited their footage to make Kanye's 0:35:59.080 --> 0:36:02.160 comments into a dog whistle instead of a foghorn. He 0:36:02.239 --> 0:36:06.399 purposely coded Kanye's anti semitism. Carlson knows how to spread 0:36:06.400 --> 0:36:09.759 anti semitism while avoid getting called out. He did it here. 0:36:10.840 --> 0:36:13.920 This itself should be a far bigger scandal than anything 0:36:13.960 --> 0:36:18.040 Kanye has said. Carlson knowingly spreaded this code anti semitism 0:36:18.080 --> 0:36:20.920 and knowingly kept the anti semitism that he knew he 0:36:20.960 --> 0:36:23.799 wouldn't get called out on, and knowingly cut the part 0:36:23.880 --> 0:36:26.359 that he knew would get him in trouble. Carlson has 0:36:26.360 --> 0:36:30.040 spent has spent years spreading anti Semitic conspiracy theories, from 0:36:30.040 --> 0:36:33.480 a full documentary about George Sorrow's destroying Western civilization to 0:36:33.600 --> 0:36:36.920 multiple uses of the Great Replacement conspiracy theory to anti 0:36:36.920 --> 0:36:40.880 Semitic guests talking about globalist elites ruling in d C. 0:36:41.520 --> 0:36:44.880 This is who Tucker Carlson is America's leading purveyor of 0:36:44.960 --> 0:36:51.440 mainstream anti Semitism. He also showed everybody the the ultra 0:36:51.560 --> 0:36:56.279 light being to the genitals. He did one thing and 0:36:56.400 --> 0:36:59.120 it was more based moments. That was pretty Uh that 0:36:59.239 --> 0:37:02.160 was a thing. I was like, all right, man, okay, 0:37:02.360 --> 0:37:07.200 you did genital tannin got it? Uh, But yeah, that's 0:37:07.239 --> 0:37:15.840 his that's his particular Like mutant power is saying something 0:37:15.880 --> 0:37:19.760 without saying something, and all of us know what you're saying, 0:37:20.560 --> 0:37:23.520 but you ain't say it. So when I go, what 0:37:23.560 --> 0:37:26.200 then did you just say? You could say? What? Are 0:37:26.200 --> 0:37:30.040 you talking about? Nothing? You know it? I mean he's 0:37:30.040 --> 0:37:33.040 got it. I mean he's he's the Picasso that like 0:37:33.280 --> 0:37:37.239 just and it's and it's so infuriating and speaking of 0:37:37.280 --> 0:37:40.120 kind of dog whistles and stuff, similar to Kanye has 0:37:40.160 --> 0:37:43.480 been about the Jews creating cancel culture by doing the 0:37:43.480 --> 0:37:45.839 whole I don't think they have the ability to make 0:37:45.880 --> 0:37:49.000 anything on their own statement, Kanye isn't playing another kind 0:37:49.040 --> 0:37:52.799 of classic anti anti Semitic trope that or that originates 0:37:52.800 --> 0:37:56.840 with Nazi propaganda, um that you know, Jews are incapable 0:37:56.840 --> 0:37:59.840 of physical labor or making things. This comes up a 0:37:59.840 --> 0:38:03.560 lot in the nineteen forty Nazi propaganda film The Eternal Jew, 0:38:04.000 --> 0:38:06.640 one of the most vile films ever made a quote 0:38:06.640 --> 0:38:12.000 from Mike Rothschild, So now, I I don't think Kanye 0:38:12.880 --> 0:38:16.840 Kandie is not seeing the Eternal Jew. All the the 0:38:16.880 --> 0:38:20.840 only people, most weird Nazi nerds who referenced the Eternal 0:38:20.920 --> 0:38:23.960 Jew haven't seen the Eternal Jew. Like But but the 0:38:24.000 --> 0:38:26.719 point is that you don't need to see it. These 0:38:27.080 --> 0:38:29.520 these these stereotypes are so ingrained to how many people 0:38:29.560 --> 0:38:33.080 see Jewish people that there's things that you can believe 0:38:33.160 --> 0:38:36.239 without the slightest consideration or like a deep thought. Well, 0:38:36.239 --> 0:38:38.560 and they were, you know, the The Eternal Jew was 0:38:39.080 --> 0:38:42.560 influential in anti Semitic propaganda, but a lot of what 0:38:42.600 --> 0:38:46.240 it was doing was kind of codifying, almost if you will, 0:38:46.880 --> 0:38:51.280 the most popular stereotypes and racialist attacks of the day. 0:38:51.400 --> 0:38:54.000 Like it It didn't invent stuff so much as it 0:38:54.040 --> 0:38:56.080 was like, all right, we're going to we're going to 0:38:56.120 --> 0:39:00.640 boil it all down in kind of the most iconic form. Yeah, 0:39:00.719 --> 0:39:02.439 there's I was today years old. I had no idea 0:39:02.480 --> 0:39:06.160 what you some up. Uh, But but I can see 0:39:06.200 --> 0:39:11.360 how that concept has such source material because as somebody 0:39:11.400 --> 0:39:17.080 who you know, I have just anti Semitism is just 0:39:17.280 --> 0:39:20.920 has never been on the menu for me. Um. Some 0:39:21.120 --> 0:39:27.320 of the the tropes that come with that, in my mind, 0:39:27.400 --> 0:39:30.560 seems so bizarre from like what are you talking about? 0:39:30.880 --> 0:39:32.640 What did that come from? What did you talk about? 0:39:32.920 --> 0:39:35.879 They did what? Now? You know? So like someone like 0:39:36.600 --> 0:39:39.440 so to know that, like, well there is source material, 0:39:39.480 --> 0:39:41.919 there's there's stuff that comes from it comes from this time. 0:39:41.960 --> 0:39:43.920 It was because it is because this was like an 0:39:44.000 --> 0:39:48.640 intentional thing that people have been pushing towards for hundreds 0:39:48.680 --> 0:39:51.480 of years, like this is it's it's yes, this didn't 0:39:51.520 --> 0:39:54.680 just happen, this is like people are trying to make 0:39:54.800 --> 0:39:57.239 this a reality, like it's it's it has been a 0:39:57.280 --> 0:40:02.239 propaganda project and a hate campaign that's been genocidal for 0:40:02.440 --> 0:40:06.319 hundreds of years. Yeah, because I'm like, okay, you know 0:40:07.520 --> 0:40:11.400 at sometimes Okay, I'm trying to say, what up? Let 0:40:11.400 --> 0:40:12.640 me try to figure out what I'm trying to say. 0:40:12.760 --> 0:40:15.920 Sometimes you can track, Yeah, like the protocols, Like the protocols. 0:40:16.000 --> 0:40:18.799 I was like, until you understand those protocols, Like some 0:40:18.880 --> 0:40:21.400 of the anti Semitic thought and rhetoric is like, man, 0:40:21.440 --> 0:40:24.840 what are you talking about? Like what you know? Text 0:40:24.920 --> 0:40:28.200 like that don't just like pop into existence. Someone wrote 0:40:28.239 --> 0:40:31.240 that with a specific intent, with an intent for something. 0:40:31.280 --> 0:40:33.120 But what I'm the point I'm trying to get at 0:40:33.160 --> 0:40:38.239 is like there are some racist sentiments and tropes that 0:40:38.400 --> 0:40:43.080 I I'm following your logic as to why you're saying 0:40:43.120 --> 0:40:46.840 that about them, Like clearly it's a racist shrope. But 0:40:47.640 --> 0:40:51.359 black men are violent. And I'm like, well, okay, I mean, 0:40:51.719 --> 0:40:54.960 if all you know of us is gang violence, if 0:40:54.960 --> 0:40:56.879 that's all you've seen, and I'm following your logic, you've 0:40:56.880 --> 0:40:59.000 just never been exposing any other stuff. Now, once you 0:40:59.040 --> 0:41:01.080 get exposing and stuff, you still feel like that, it's 0:41:01.120 --> 0:41:03.160 like all right, you just you just trash, You just 0:41:03.520 --> 0:41:07.880 you just trash. But I'm like, I'm following, I'm following you. 0:41:07.880 --> 0:41:09.959 You know what i mean? You only know rap music Okay, 0:41:10.000 --> 0:41:11.640 that's all you know of us. Okay, then you think 0:41:11.680 --> 0:41:15.040 that this is what we are racist, because clearly most 0:41:15.040 --> 0:41:17.799 people are more than everybody's, more than the one thing 0:41:17.840 --> 0:41:20.920 you're trying to put them in, you know. But I'm 0:41:20.960 --> 0:41:23.879 following that it's just for me again, like I said, 0:41:23.880 --> 0:41:26.680 since like anti Semitism was never on the menu, like 0:41:26.719 --> 0:41:28.680 it was never just it just wasn't a part of 0:41:28.680 --> 0:41:32.040 my world. When you hear things like the Protocols of 0:41:32.160 --> 0:41:35.240 Zion and and some of this stuff, even even learning 0:41:35.239 --> 0:41:37.759 about the Holocaust, Like if you're a black person, you like, 0:41:39.480 --> 0:41:43.680 what's your deal? Like why what? What you what is 0:41:43.719 --> 0:41:47.600 so wrong with them? Like I don't understand why you 0:41:47.719 --> 0:41:50.239 don't like them so much? Like it it's just it's 0:41:50.239 --> 0:41:53.120 like I can't even follow your logic, you know, because 0:41:53.280 --> 0:41:58.560 it's not even personal hatred of all people, right, It's 0:41:58.600 --> 0:42:00.880 it's framed within this conspiratory thing. But like, no, I 0:42:00.880 --> 0:42:04.200 don't hate Jewish people. I'm just questioning the Jewish power 0:42:04.200 --> 0:42:06.840 brokers in Hollywood and I think that they have too 0:42:06.920 --> 0:42:09.600 much influence. Right, That's how it's framed, and that's how 0:42:09.640 --> 0:42:12.239 people that's how someone like Kandie might actually like I 0:42:12.280 --> 0:42:15.600 think I actually feel because it works in Hollywood, right, 0:42:15.600 --> 0:42:18.000 But but that but that is the only way you 0:42:18.040 --> 0:42:21.440 get there is because of decades of anti semitism like that, 0:42:21.280 --> 0:42:23.440 that's it's it's it's it's that. That's that's the kind 0:42:23.440 --> 0:42:27.200 of point I was trying. Not that, Yeah, j K Rowling, 0:42:27.239 --> 0:42:30.080 Banker Goblins, and it just like exists by itself exactly 0:42:30.160 --> 0:42:33.120 like none none of these things are made in a vacuum. 0:42:33.160 --> 0:42:35.880 They made thought of that. So you said it, oh ship, 0:42:36.239 --> 0:42:38.920 oh yeah, there's a start of David on the floor 0:42:38.960 --> 0:42:43.839 of the bank. I didn't even notice it. That don't 0:42:43.880 --> 0:42:47.560 point out its yeah one. I mean, one of the 0:42:47.600 --> 0:42:51.120 things people will point out that is true is that 0:42:51.120 --> 0:42:53.279 that was not a set. They were filming in an 0:42:53.320 --> 0:42:56.800 actual building and they chose to have that there, and 0:42:56.800 --> 0:42:59.000 and the building had a star of David in the 0:42:59.000 --> 0:43:02.120 Florida and they chose to film there. Yes, it seems 0:43:02.160 --> 0:43:05.000 like that would have been something people might have noticed, yeah, 0:43:05.120 --> 0:43:09.120 at least not even go over it, not even like 0:43:09.200 --> 0:43:12.840 yo yo maybe maybe listen, maybe we don't mean anything 0:43:12.840 --> 0:43:18.880 by it, but it could be seen as you know, yeah, 0:43:19.000 --> 0:43:22.080 and just like just like none of these things that 0:43:22.080 --> 0:43:25.160 are in a vacuum and Kanye's own statements are not 0:43:25.400 --> 0:43:29.160 in a vacuum. After Kanye made these tweets, uh, you know, 0:43:29.280 --> 0:43:32.640 four Chan was quick to take it, was quick to 0:43:32.800 --> 0:43:36.279 eat up the Kanye pill. There Kanye Kanye threads took 0:43:36.360 --> 0:43:40.360 up of took up most of polls posts for for days. 0:43:40.480 --> 0:43:44.240 There's there's just there's screenshots of of poll just Kanye 0:43:44.239 --> 0:43:46.360 post after Kanye post, all of all of the trending 0:43:46.440 --> 0:43:51.759 ones are all about Kanye. Uh. Nick Frentz and his 0:43:52.000 --> 0:43:56.160 like grapper followers were celebrating the tweets and they see 0:43:56.200 --> 0:43:58.880 this as an opportunity took on a mainstream you know 0:43:59.000 --> 0:44:03.319 there their brand of horrible anti Semitic fascism um, and 0:44:03.520 --> 0:44:06.880 I hope people are prepared to take on you know, 0:44:07.239 --> 0:44:09.680 fake Kanye stand accounts that are going to pop up 0:44:09.719 --> 0:44:12.960 everywhere to defending is Ani Semitism, like you know, and 0:44:13.200 --> 0:44:16.279 defending and talking about anti Semitism from the point of 0:44:16.360 --> 0:44:19.040 quote unquote being a Kanye fan. It's there's a lot 0:44:19.080 --> 0:44:22.120 of Yeah, we've been a lot of fascist trolling is 0:44:22.120 --> 0:44:25.080 gonna it's gonna come in the mask of Kanye West now. 0:44:25.280 --> 0:44:28.719 And we have been Yeah, we've I mean We've been 0:44:28.880 --> 0:44:33.320 enduring among black Twitter. We have been enduring Kanye stands 0:44:33.840 --> 0:44:36.279 for a while. You know what I'm saying that are 0:44:36.360 --> 0:44:38.280 just like, no, it's just a genius, y'all, don't understand. 0:44:38.280 --> 0:44:40.359 He's playing three D. We've been enduring this for a while. 0:44:40.400 --> 0:44:43.560 It's actually been very interesting in the sphere of the Internet. 0:44:43.600 --> 0:44:48.040 I existed of seeing people being like, uh, yeah, no, 0:44:48.280 --> 0:44:52.880 I got nothing. Yeah. There has been a good amount 0:44:52.920 --> 0:44:55.839 of people that are finally tapped out, And I think, well, 0:44:55.880 --> 0:44:59.720 I think that what is that type of vacuum opens 0:44:59.760 --> 0:45:02.719 up face for bad actors to use the mask of 0:45:02.800 --> 0:45:08.080 Kanye to then just promote fascism under under this mask 0:45:08.120 --> 0:45:12.480 now like Trump, like magat sure, I mean like, And 0:45:12.480 --> 0:45:14.719 I think that this creates a more specific type of 0:45:14.760 --> 0:45:18.240 dog whistle think because megas obviously way more way more broad. 0:45:18.680 --> 0:45:23.520 I meant like me like Kanye's use of absolutely, I mean, 0:45:23.560 --> 0:45:27.120 we have you know. Nick Frentees posted the tweets and 0:45:27.200 --> 0:45:31.000 his in his telegrams saying no way, we are so back. 0:45:31.160 --> 0:45:35.280 Do you trust the plan? Baked Alaska? Do you trust 0:45:36.400 --> 0:45:41.480 Baked Alaska? Posted his telegram This is real, vindicated and 0:45:41.719 --> 0:45:48.319 one of my least favorite telegram channels Zoomer Waffen, which god, 0:45:45.719 --> 0:45:53.200 just god, it's called every every time I talked about 0:45:53.239 --> 0:45:56.000 zoomer waff I like I lose five years of life. 0:45:56.160 --> 0:45:59.800 So people again, because folks who are not terminally online 0:45:59.880 --> 0:46:03.040 or like, what are you guys talking about? Waffen means 0:46:03.120 --> 0:46:05.839 weapon in German. The reason that it is a thing 0:46:05.880 --> 0:46:08.959 the Nazis talk about is that the s S had 0:46:09.040 --> 0:46:11.279 like a bunch of different things the s S did, 0:46:11.320 --> 0:46:12.919 but one of the things they had was a unit 0:46:12.960 --> 0:46:15.960 that existed within kind of the traditional hierarchy called the 0:46:15.960 --> 0:46:18.640 Waffen s S, which means the weapons s S. They 0:46:18.640 --> 0:46:22.160 committed a shipload of war crimes. Ever since, Waffen has 0:46:22.200 --> 0:46:23.720 been a thing that you can kind of like stick 0:46:23.760 --> 0:46:25.160 to the end of the name of a group and 0:46:25.200 --> 0:46:28.800 you're signifying that you think the SS was based Adam. 0:46:28.840 --> 0:46:32.319 Waffen is kind of the most prominent terrorist group in 0:46:32.360 --> 0:46:35.319 the United States and other countries. That's been a big thing. 0:46:35.840 --> 0:46:38.759 And you know, it's not like zoom like you get 0:46:38.800 --> 0:46:41.239 what they're saying, the zoom or Waffen, right, it's the 0:46:41.280 --> 0:46:43.920 thing anyway, That's that's what you need to know. I 0:46:44.000 --> 0:46:46.120 just I just I get so pissed because I'm like, 0:46:47.560 --> 0:46:54.080 he's fucking nerds, know that, dangerous fucking nerds. It sucks. Yeah, 0:46:54.160 --> 0:46:58.640 I hate you, y, I'm just like you, just you God, 0:46:58.920 --> 0:47:06.319 if you weren't so dangerously violent, you know, just yeah, 0:47:06.400 --> 0:47:10.760 that's that. That is the recurring statement on this show 0:47:11.680 --> 0:47:13.839 is that if they weren't dangerous, they would be much 0:47:13.880 --> 0:47:19.920 more funny. Um so yeah, the Zoomerwafins posted the tweet 0:47:19.960 --> 0:47:22.720 and not not not all heroes wear capes somewhere easy 0:47:22.800 --> 0:47:28.919 gath merch and with its anyway. So, just two days 0:47:29.120 --> 0:47:32.399 after the ati semitic posts on his social media accounts 0:47:32.560 --> 0:47:36.760 which got him banned, Conye then attended the Nashville premier 0:47:37.239 --> 0:47:42.359 of Candice Owens Daily Wire documentary project The Greatest Lie 0:47:42.480 --> 0:47:47.279 Ever Sold George Floyd and the Rise of BLM. And 0:47:47.400 --> 0:47:50.520 just imagine being one of the most famous people on 0:47:50.560 --> 0:47:54.879 the planet and choosing to hang out with the Daily Wire. Yeah, 0:47:55.520 --> 0:48:00.000 like like the like they like the word grooming obviously 0:48:00.040 --> 0:48:04.160 means nothing now, but like they groomed him into this ship, 0:48:04.239 --> 0:48:10.600 like the and groomed him into this nonsense. Kanye made 0:48:10.640 --> 0:48:13.360 a lot of choices here, and those choices were like 0:48:13.560 --> 0:48:17.640 very selfish and based in narcissism. And while he is sick, 0:48:18.120 --> 0:48:22.760 he's not a victim fundamentally, but he also is being 0:48:22.880 --> 0:48:26.120 taken advantage of, right, Like that's that's fair to say. 0:48:26.160 --> 0:48:29.279 That doesn't exculpate him from his guilt inness. But we're 0:48:29.280 --> 0:48:34.280 going Mr West another another Kanye reference, Wake up, Mr West, 0:48:34.760 --> 0:48:40.279 and like, like real quick, the the part that is 0:48:40.320 --> 0:48:45.480 so well, obviously it's all inferiorating. But I'm like, you're 0:48:47.120 --> 0:48:54.360 you're you're going out of your way to purposefully tear 0:48:54.560 --> 0:48:59.640 down black people when they suffering. You don't have to. 0:49:00.600 --> 0:49:02.640 You don't You could even say, like, hey, you know 0:49:02.760 --> 0:49:06.000 which is true, Like there are some in the organization 0:49:06.160 --> 0:49:09.239 of Black Lives Matter as an organization, there's some problematic 0:49:09.239 --> 0:49:11.719 stuff that needs to be discussed and worked out, you 0:49:11.719 --> 0:49:13.520 know what I'm saying, and being like, Okay, well, let's 0:49:13.520 --> 0:49:15.239 get some oversight here. What are we doing here, Let's 0:49:15.280 --> 0:49:19.320 have some accountability? Why are you why are you inting 0:49:19.320 --> 0:49:22.200 Swart Floyd Man, Well, because this is this is this 0:49:22.280 --> 0:49:26.200 is Kenneth Owens like explicit grift exactly. That's what she 0:49:26.719 --> 0:49:30.600 she Her job is to conflate the Black Lives Matter 0:49:30.920 --> 0:49:35.879 nonprofit organization with the Black Lives Matter movement, and and 0:49:35.880 --> 0:49:39.880 and and use criticisms of the nonprofit organization to basically 0:49:39.920 --> 0:49:43.400 say that any form of advocacy by people of color 0:49:43.560 --> 0:49:46.240 in you know, using the Black Lives Matter movement banner 0:49:46.840 --> 0:49:51.040 is is discredited because of the issues with the formal 0:49:51.120 --> 0:49:55.040 nonprofit organization in Portland. I have never I've never seen 0:49:55.080 --> 0:49:58.440 a single thing related to the Black Lives Matter organization, 0:49:58.600 --> 0:50:00.560 not a single thing. I mean, I guess maybe the 0:50:00.719 --> 0:50:03.040 signs like are solved by them, I don't know that. 0:50:03.160 --> 0:50:05.879 But like, it's it's not it's not a president. We're 0:50:05.880 --> 0:50:09.440 talking about risings. It's not a fit. Like it's the 0:50:09.440 --> 0:50:12.400 the conflation of the of the nonprofit organization with the 0:50:12.440 --> 0:50:15.960 movement is the specific thing that canadas Once has focused 0:50:15.960 --> 0:50:18.160 on for the past five years of her career. That's 0:50:18.239 --> 0:50:21.399 that's what she makes money on, is exploiting this little thing. 0:50:21.920 --> 0:50:24.160 And it's the thing that Tucker has adopted and this 0:50:24.239 --> 0:50:27.520 is the thing that she is convinced. It's just so 0:50:27.640 --> 0:50:31.160 it's just so like what do you do, like, okay, 0:50:31.320 --> 0:50:37.720 so any anything, okay, talk about talk about globalism you okay, 0:50:37.760 --> 0:50:40.560 that's your little thing. That's your little thing. Okay, uh, 0:50:40.760 --> 0:50:43.320 you know, you don't like that. You don't like the Democrats, 0:50:43.400 --> 0:50:47.920 you know, you know, Brandon whatever. But it's like, Okay, 0:50:47.960 --> 0:50:51.680 a man died and and that's and the cop was 0:50:51.840 --> 0:50:55.600 proven guilty and that that that's that's the most gross 0:50:55.600 --> 0:50:58.239 part because Kanye is embraced conpc theories now about the 0:50:58.280 --> 0:51:02.480 fine thing, right, Yeah, but his embraceive conspiracy theories is 0:51:02.480 --> 0:51:04.520 not just limited to anti is not just limited to 0:51:04.560 --> 0:51:08.080 anti Semitism. He now openly denies the proven facts of 0:51:08.080 --> 0:51:10.520 the events that led to the most recent international uprising 0:51:10.520 --> 0:51:12.800 in the Black Lives Matter movement. He jumped on board 0:51:13.160 --> 0:51:16.720 his pal kendas owens absurd quote unquote documentary that claims 0:51:16.719 --> 0:51:18.920 the sequence of events proven in court and witnessed by 0:51:18.920 --> 0:51:23.719 the world via self and footage, did not actually happen. Um. 0:51:24.000 --> 0:51:26.120 That's why I'm like, you're going out of your way now. 0:51:26.360 --> 0:51:29.799 It's like you you're you're on a path, and I'm like, 0:51:30.719 --> 0:51:35.799 you're purposefully going out of your way to hurt us. 0:51:36.200 --> 0:51:38.120 And that's the part that I'm like, what I said, 0:51:38.160 --> 0:51:42.200 I don't use the word cone often, but I'm like, like, 0:51:42.320 --> 0:51:44.560 why are you doing why are you doing this? Like 0:51:44.640 --> 0:51:47.239 you're you're well because we know why you're doing it. 0:51:47.280 --> 0:51:51.959 And it's just like Candice, come on, like Cape Cape 0:51:52.000 --> 0:51:54.239 for the Republicans, do what you gotta do if you 0:51:54.320 --> 0:51:58.520 honestly think the solutions for our community comes from the 0:51:58.560 --> 0:52:01.360 conservative world, Kape for him, do what you gott You 0:52:01.360 --> 0:52:04.919 don't have to go out of your way like this 0:52:04.960 --> 0:52:08.959 is you're going to like you're taking the scenic route 0:52:09.920 --> 0:52:15.640 to just like okay, yeah, it's they it's because I 0:52:15.640 --> 0:52:18.560 don't they don't actually believe that that's what the solutions. 0:52:18.760 --> 0:52:23.319 They're just they're just living a really wealthy, extravagant lifestyle. Canda, 0:52:23.400 --> 0:52:25.960 someone gets to travel with Kanye West to Paris Fashion Week, 0:52:26.160 --> 0:52:29.120 she gets to have a red Carb premier with Kanye West, 0:52:29.200 --> 0:52:32.640 Kid Rock and ray J. Like that's that's the life 0:52:32.640 --> 0:52:36.000 that she has been able to create by exploiting this thing. 0:52:36.480 --> 0:52:39.160 And of course she's going to do it because that's 0:52:39.160 --> 0:52:42.919 how you become a millionaire. Two kinds of people get 0:52:42.960 --> 0:52:46.240 successful on the right. One kind is fuck you got mine, 0:52:46.360 --> 0:52:49.080 I'm gonna get what I can as quickly as I 0:52:49.120 --> 0:52:52.400 can uh, and the other is I want to create 0:52:52.440 --> 0:52:56.440 a Christian fascist ethno state. Um, Like those are the 0:52:56.480 --> 0:52:59.080 two kinds, and one feeds into the other and Canadas, 0:52:59.080 --> 0:53:02.200 Owens has decided, I'm fine with helping the other kind 0:53:02.239 --> 0:53:07.360 of prominent conservative accomplish their goals because it won't get 0:53:07.400 --> 0:53:09.920 too bad, you know, during my lifetime. I can make 0:53:10.040 --> 0:53:12.319 enough money. I'm one of the good ones. They're like, 0:53:12.440 --> 0:53:14.400 this is this is this is the same thing with 0:53:14.440 --> 0:53:18.080 someone like Blair White for you know, for um, for 0:53:18.360 --> 0:53:23.520 trans issues. There's there's there's a specific tokenized figures Dave 0:53:23.560 --> 0:53:27.440 Reuben with you know, with gay people, like if they 0:53:27.480 --> 0:53:29.759 align as one of the good ones and they think 0:53:29.840 --> 0:53:32.440 that things won't get bad enough in their lifetime and 0:53:32.480 --> 0:53:39.319 they'll they'll they'll just they'll just be able to profit. Yeah, yeah, wait, wait, 0:53:39.360 --> 0:53:41.600 just to make sure, is Dave Reuben the dude that 0:53:41.640 --> 0:53:46.239 was like, well, scientifically speaking, a mermaid couldn't be that dark. No, 0:53:46.600 --> 0:53:51.239 that's uh, that feels like a Ben Shapiro or crowder bit. 0:53:51.360 --> 0:53:54.880 I I don't remember specifically, Okay, I thought that the 0:53:54.920 --> 0:53:57.280 way it was hilarious, it was one of those clowns 0:53:57.360 --> 0:54:01.040 they yeah, well, scientifically speaking, they're all paid by the 0:54:01.080 --> 0:54:06.160 same dude, it doesn't matter. I feel need to get 0:54:06.200 --> 0:54:10.000 this joke off, So it's frusting that Kanye not only 0:54:10.040 --> 0:54:13.040 just attended the premiere, but it's now actually parenting the 0:54:13.080 --> 0:54:16.680 disinformation and the the talking points that Kenneth Owens used 0:54:16.719 --> 0:54:20.040 in her faux documentary. So just a few days after 0:54:20.120 --> 0:54:24.200 he went to the Red Carpet, he started spreading the 0:54:24.239 --> 0:54:27.719 disinformation on the police's murder of George Floyd on a podcast. 0:54:28.040 --> 0:54:31.040 I watched the George Floyd documentary that Candice has put up. 0:54:31.360 --> 0:54:33.799 One of the things that his two roommates said was, 0:54:34.600 --> 0:54:37.000 they want a tall guy like me, they want a 0:54:37.000 --> 0:54:39.760 talk guy like me. And the day when he died, 0:54:40.320 --> 0:54:44.840 he said a prayer for you know, eight minutes. He 0:54:44.920 --> 0:54:49.799 said a prayer for eight minutes. They hit him with 0:54:49.840 --> 0:54:54.600 the fence and all if you look, the guy's knee 0:54:54.719 --> 0:54:58.720 wasn't even on his neck like that. When he said Mama, mama, 0:54:58.800 --> 0:55:01.479 his is his girlfriend, they said, he's screamed for his mama. 0:55:01.560 --> 0:55:05.919 Mama was his girlfriend's in the documentary. So that's pretty bad. Um. 0:55:06.280 --> 0:55:10.160 And after after that he starts talking about other kind 0:55:10.160 --> 0:55:13.759 of random conspiracy theory stuff that inevitably leads him to 0:55:13.840 --> 0:55:17.040 making more comments about the Jews. Um. So here's that 0:55:17.080 --> 0:55:21.400 clip they blocked me out. The Jewish media block me out. 0:55:21.840 --> 0:55:27.440 This ship lit right, I'm lit right, I'm lit, I'm lit. 0:55:27.600 --> 0:55:29.680 You know what I'm saying, JP Morgan, I put a 0:55:29.719 --> 0:55:33.839 hundred forty million dollars and the JP Morgan and they 0:55:33.880 --> 0:55:37.040 treated me like ship. So if JP Morgan Chase is 0:55:37.080 --> 0:55:39.320 treated me like that, how they treating the rest of you? 0:55:40.920 --> 0:55:45.680 And this chaunts That's what I'm saying. I am outraged 0:55:46.080 --> 0:55:48.279 by the time. People always they want to calm it 0:55:48.320 --> 0:55:50.359 down because no matter what, you didn't break no law. 0:55:50.800 --> 0:55:55.839 I didn't break a law anything, but this is it's 0:55:55.880 --> 0:55:58.200 like a social contract. Candice always has a word for 0:55:58.280 --> 0:56:02.000 him forgetting but it's basically like they told candas so 0:56:02.120 --> 0:56:05.160 and she couldn't hang out with me. For the Jewish people. 0:56:05.200 --> 0:56:07.680 What I'm doing is I'm me too in the Jewish culture. 0:56:08.840 --> 0:56:11.880 I'm saying, y'all gotta stand up and admit to what 0:56:11.960 --> 0:56:14.520 you've been doing. And y'all just got away with it 0:56:14.560 --> 0:56:17.359 for so long did y'alln't even realize what you're doing? 0:56:18.719 --> 0:56:22.080 And it's like I can't funk with me either because 0:56:22.120 --> 0:56:24.520 y'all behind that gate of fish, y'all soft, your hands 0:56:24.520 --> 0:56:27.120 got soft. You ain't out here getting beat up every 0:56:27.239 --> 0:56:31.040 day like me. You ain't out here getting called crazy 0:56:31.080 --> 0:56:33.920 every day like me. I'm not gonna play anymore of 0:56:33.920 --> 0:56:36.280 that podcast because honestly, this is where it starts getting 0:56:36.280 --> 0:56:39.640 into the territory where it's just kind of exploiting someone's 0:56:39.640 --> 0:56:43.799 mental health issues for entertainment, and it gets like, this 0:56:43.880 --> 0:56:47.240 is where it gets very disjointed. Connie starts talking about 0:56:47.239 --> 0:56:51.479 how the Louisvatan company killed one of his friends, Yeah, 0:56:51.560 --> 0:56:53.920 who actually died of cancer. Um, it's a it's a 0:56:53.920 --> 0:56:56.279 conspiracy that Connie has developed the past year. And he 0:56:56.320 --> 0:57:00.120 also talked about this for seven minutes UM in the 0:57:00.360 --> 0:57:03.840 unused Tucker Carlson segments, which I'm also not going to 0:57:03.880 --> 0:57:09.560 include because it's also for context, Like Virgil is like 0:57:10.840 --> 0:57:15.400 royalty among our community, like what he did being the 0:57:15.520 --> 0:57:19.640 versus Black, like head designer at Louis battan Um, and 0:57:19.680 --> 0:57:22.360 I think a lot of us think a lot of 0:57:22.440 --> 0:57:23.920 us I sound like Trump, a lot of people that 0:57:23.960 --> 0:57:28.760 are saying no, but there is an understanding that UM. 0:57:29.240 --> 0:57:32.960 Like in a lot of ways Kanye was jealous of him, 0:57:33.200 --> 0:57:35.320 Um in the in the way that he was able 0:57:35.360 --> 0:57:38.880 to succeed in Louis Batton and then now that he's gone, 0:57:38.920 --> 0:57:43.000 and clearly Kanye doesn't grieve well as we know yea 0:57:43.360 --> 0:57:47.440 and yeah, another segment of the Tucker leak includes the 0:57:47.440 --> 0:57:50.160 clip where Kanye is discussing visions from God on how 0:57:50.200 --> 0:57:54.440 to build free energy and fully kinetic energy communities and 0:57:55.360 --> 0:57:58.640 kinetic energy cities. So this combine, like this is where 0:57:58.640 --> 0:58:00.480 I'm not going to actually include an more clips of 0:58:00.560 --> 0:58:05.080 Kanye because it's just it's it's just the laughing at 0:58:05.120 --> 0:58:08.640 the person who's not doing okay bit and that's not cool. 0:58:09.040 --> 0:58:12.280 Now obviously, like mental illness is not cannot be used 0:58:12.320 --> 0:58:16.920 as an excuse for bigotry or anti semitism um. But 0:58:17.080 --> 0:58:20.960 exploding someone's suffering through like up a manic episode to 0:58:21.000 --> 0:58:26.520 score political points is also like immoral um. And we're 0:58:26.520 --> 0:58:29.200 seeing a lot of like false choices being presented towards 0:58:30.200 --> 0:58:34.280 mental illness and anti semitism, and the answer can actually 0:58:34.320 --> 0:58:37.800 be both. Um. You know, those struggling with mental illness 0:58:37.840 --> 0:58:42.080 do not kind of they don't originate these types of bigotry, 0:58:42.200 --> 0:58:45.640 right um. But in but when you're manic, you can 0:58:45.720 --> 0:58:48.920 latch onto things and reflect them. Um. And that's not 0:58:48.960 --> 0:58:52.000 saying it's okay, but that also it's we should not 0:58:52.080 --> 0:58:55.200 deny that, Like I have seen a lot of people 0:58:55.240 --> 0:58:58.680 saying like, mentally ill people don't say racist things, which 0:58:58.680 --> 0:59:01.520 are like, that's not true. Like if like, if you, 0:59:01.640 --> 0:59:03.560 if you've been around a lot of mentally ill people, 0:59:04.200 --> 0:59:06.920 they cannot they can it's it's it's. It's the same 0:59:06.920 --> 0:59:10.880 thing with people when people's brains are deteriorating on dementia. 0:59:11.120 --> 0:59:14.000 One of the last things they can say are curse words. Yeah, 0:59:14.200 --> 0:59:15.960 it's it's, it's it's it's one of those weird like 0:59:16.280 --> 0:59:19.520 like vector points inside our brain. So yeah, you you 0:59:19.560 --> 0:59:22.840 actually can be be racist when you're not usually racist 0:59:22.880 --> 0:59:25.560 if you're experiencing a severe mental health episode, and that's 0:59:25.600 --> 0:59:28.479 not that's not excusing you for your behavior. But also 0:59:28.560 --> 0:59:31.880 we shouldn't create this false division, and we shouldn't like 0:59:32.400 --> 0:59:36.000 in some ways it's like you're like a gate keeping 0:59:36.040 --> 0:59:38.960 mental illness by saying no, no real mentally ill person 0:59:39.200 --> 0:59:42.840 could say these bad things, which actually in supportive people 0:59:42.840 --> 0:59:47.040 experiencing mental distress. Yeah, it's on that same lane as 0:59:47.120 --> 0:59:50.440 like the you know, the mass shooters and stuff like that. 0:59:50.800 --> 0:59:52.560 If you're just going to call it mental illness, then 0:59:52.680 --> 0:59:56.480 like you can obscate any response. But but but also 0:59:57.040 --> 0:59:59.920 refusing to acknowledge that mental health can play a fact 1:00:00.000 --> 1:00:03.160 are inside some mass shootings also misses the point exactly. 1:00:03.240 --> 1:00:06.040 It's yeah, you can play a very large factor, especially 1:00:06.040 --> 1:00:10.240 in the waves like Schizawave inspired shootings. Exactly. That's That's 1:00:10.280 --> 1:00:14.120 what I was gonna say. That that that conflation of 1:00:14.200 --> 1:00:19.479 something that really is real and really is important, you know. Uh, 1:00:19.560 --> 1:00:22.640 you see that. I see that with like I've known 1:00:22.680 --> 1:00:27.960 people who have worked in like um, you know, like 1:00:28.120 --> 1:00:32.480 legit human trafficking, like not like the dog whistlee version, 1:00:32.560 --> 1:00:38.280 but like actual rescuing you know, traffic girls from the 1:00:38.360 --> 1:00:43.560 sex industry who were like pulled from a village you 1:00:43.560 --> 1:00:46.080 know what I'm saying and put into a brothel. Like 1:00:46.120 --> 1:00:48.400 people that are like really out here, like actually doing 1:00:48.440 --> 1:00:52.640 the work, you know, where trafficking is a thing, you know. 1:00:53.200 --> 1:00:58.960 And then you conflated with these you know, conspiracies, and 1:00:59.000 --> 1:01:01.640 then like and of course a person who really works 1:01:01.640 --> 1:01:04.000 in this thing, you like, you finally feel like you 1:01:04.040 --> 1:01:06.280 getting some traction with people to actually care about the 1:01:06.280 --> 1:01:08.360 stuff you care about, you know what I'm saying. And 1:01:08.400 --> 1:01:13.840 now now it's like if you mentioned trafficking. It's like, yeah, 1:01:14.360 --> 1:01:18.120 you can't. It's like, how do I It's like, no, serious, 1:01:18.200 --> 1:01:20.560 it's really a thing. Guy's really it is, you know. 1:01:20.920 --> 1:01:24.720 But trying to disentangle it from Yeah, that's what you're saying, 1:01:24.760 --> 1:01:26.760 is like to to to do a one or the 1:01:26.800 --> 1:01:29.680 other thing is missing the point of both situations. Yeah, yeah, 1:01:29.680 --> 1:01:33.600 because because obviously, like Kanye isn't someone who's dealing with 1:01:33.640 --> 1:01:36.880 like a temporary mental health episode where he's yelling slurs 1:01:36.920 --> 1:01:39.040 on the side of a sidewalk. Kanye is like an 1:01:39.040 --> 1:01:42.760 affulent man who's making calculated and financially driven choices. But 1:01:43.240 --> 1:01:46.080 that still doesn't mean that stuff like bipolar does not 1:01:46.200 --> 1:01:49.040 play a factor in the types of impulsive decision making 1:01:49.080 --> 1:01:51.200 he's making and the types of people that he surrounds 1:01:51.240 --> 1:01:54.200 himself with, which influences this pattern of behavior. Combined with 1:01:54.200 --> 1:01:57.520 like social media and combined with his celebrity status, christ 1:01:57.520 --> 1:02:03.520 the cycle of really healthy choices. Um Like when when 1:02:03.560 --> 1:02:06.600 you're talking about like fake children being planted in your home, 1:02:08.200 --> 1:02:11.160 that's like, yeah, that's not like it's that's that's not 1:02:12.760 --> 1:02:15.800 dismissing that as being no way related to mental illness. 1:02:15.840 --> 1:02:19.400 I think is kind of a misstep. Um. I mean 1:02:19.480 --> 1:02:22.240 it's It's one of the things that's tough about this 1:02:22.400 --> 1:02:24.280 is that it hits all of the areas that, like 1:02:24.360 --> 1:02:28.200 the primary places where conversation takes part socially are worst 1:02:28.240 --> 1:02:32.480 at dealing with. Because like, as we've said, mental illness 1:02:32.560 --> 1:02:34.760 is a major factor in this. It also does not 1:02:34.920 --> 1:02:38.200 exculpate him from bad behavior. It doesn't make what he's 1:02:38.200 --> 1:02:41.720 saying not racist. Um. But it's also tied into like 1:02:42.760 --> 1:02:46.160 this deep manipulation campaign that the right is because they've 1:02:46.200 --> 1:02:48.280 been looking for a guy like this forever. And you 1:02:48.320 --> 1:02:51.160 can see like that that's why Tucker and all these 1:02:51.360 --> 1:02:53.520 folks were so quickly to spin up when he wound 1:02:53.560 --> 1:02:57.640 up being like amenable to that, like and it's yeah, 1:02:57.640 --> 1:03:01.760 because he's he's very clearly being encouraged to keep doing 1:03:01.800 --> 1:03:05.600 these sort of things for like entertainment and cloud um. 1:03:05.640 --> 1:03:08.160 And I think a lot of the responses to this 1:03:09.080 --> 1:03:12.400 kind of show how stigmatized that more severe personality disorders 1:03:12.440 --> 1:03:14.600 are compared to stuff like anxiety or depression or a 1:03:14.680 --> 1:03:17.880 d H d UM. Because you also don't want to 1:03:17.920 --> 1:03:22.520 like villainize bipolar disorder instinct and stigmatize it further because 1:03:22.520 --> 1:03:25.120 a lot of people can live with bipolar disorder. I've 1:03:25.160 --> 1:03:27.880 known I've known people that live with with bipolar disorder 1:03:27.960 --> 1:03:31.200 who are not going on anti semitic rants like it's 1:03:31.240 --> 1:03:34.120 like it manifests different and lots of other people. So 1:03:34.120 --> 1:03:36.080 it's you should not use this as an example to 1:03:36.080 --> 1:03:39.080 stigmatize other people with this or say it's just this 1:03:39.840 --> 1:03:42.200 um it creates you have to talk about. You have 1:03:42.240 --> 1:03:43.560 to kind of think of with this in a multi 1:03:43.640 --> 1:03:46.360 in a multi fasted fashion where someone's not just good 1:03:46.440 --> 1:03:49.680 or not just bad. It's actually you have to get 1:03:49.760 --> 1:03:55.360 you know, less into like puritanical, you know, perfectly unblemished 1:03:55.400 --> 1:03:59.640 victims and you know evil e like like evil intention 1:03:59.720 --> 1:04:02.320 depress serves like it. It's it's more complicated than that. 1:04:02.440 --> 1:04:06.320 And the Internet is bad with bad bad of nuance 1:04:06.440 --> 1:04:10.560 one of the starns out The Internet sucks at Nuance. 1:04:11.320 --> 1:04:15.360 The closest off we're going to talk about how Kanye 1:04:15.480 --> 1:04:18.400 really has kind of been played by by people like 1:04:18.440 --> 1:04:21.480 Candace Owens because a little over a week after his 1:04:21.560 --> 1:04:24.640 banishment from the two big mainstream social media platforms this 1:04:24.680 --> 1:04:27.479 past Monday, Kandie announced that he has entered a deal 1:04:27.800 --> 1:04:31.840 to buy the failed far right social media platform Parlor. 1:04:32.920 --> 1:04:37.920 Parlor CEO George Farmer said that his wife, conservative influencer 1:04:38.240 --> 1:04:42.400 Candace Owens approached Kanye about a Parlor deal while attending 1:04:42.720 --> 1:04:45.480 his Paris Fashion Week show where the boat where the 1:04:45.480 --> 1:04:47.840 pair of them wore the black wore the White Lives 1:04:47.840 --> 1:04:51.800 Matter shirts. So Candace Owens has been playing Kanye this 1:04:51.960 --> 1:04:55.480 entire time and is and is convinced Kanye to buy 1:04:55.560 --> 1:05:00.960 her husband's failing business like she's just playing him, like 1:05:00.960 --> 1:05:05.600 like Parlor has currently only daily active users. Even gab 1:05:05.880 --> 1:05:10.080 get Her and Trump's and Trump's Truth Social have way 1:05:10.120 --> 1:05:15.080 more daily users than Parlor, and Kennis Owens has convinced 1:05:15.240 --> 1:05:20.680 has convinced to buy this platform. I'm sorry, did you 1:05:20.720 --> 1:05:23.880 say her husband owns Parlor? Yes, her husband is the 1:05:23.920 --> 1:05:27.160 CEO of Partner. Okay, And for an idea of how 1:05:27.240 --> 1:05:30.600 failed it is, the people I know who spend a 1:05:30.640 --> 1:05:33.920 lot of their time hanging out in far right spaces 1:05:34.400 --> 1:05:38.080 don't even get on Parlor anymore. Like it's it's it's 1:05:38.160 --> 1:05:42.600 it's not, it doesn't matter, it's yes, it's the CEO 1:05:43.720 --> 1:05:48.320 is Kennys Owens husband. I am climped. I didn't. I mean, 1:05:48.360 --> 1:05:53.400 it's an obvious grift. Right, yeah, I'm like, see, this 1:05:53.600 --> 1:05:56.480 is a bad one. She's a very smart she is, 1:05:56.560 --> 1:06:00.680 she's a successful grifter. She that is. I I can't 1:06:00.680 --> 1:06:03.840 believe it, Like she finally broke character. What I've been 1:06:03.880 --> 1:06:07.760 asking for these last to this, these these two hours, 1:06:07.960 --> 1:06:11.680 is give me a moment of clarity. You just gave 1:06:11.720 --> 1:06:13.520 it to me, right like, she, Oh, there it is. 1:06:13.920 --> 1:06:17.360 This is what I've been waiting for. Got it. I 1:06:17.440 --> 1:06:21.280 have I've one more page before we before we close out. 1:06:21.280 --> 1:06:24.440 So okay, okay, alright. I feel I don't know how. 1:06:24.440 --> 1:06:27.120 I can't explain this, the sense of relief. I feel 1:06:27.400 --> 1:06:28.959 like it's so weird to say that, but I feel 1:06:29.000 --> 1:06:31.080 so relieved that I'm like, no, it's it's. It's it's 1:06:31.080 --> 1:06:33.120 it's extremely telling and it confirms a lot of the 1:06:33.120 --> 1:06:35.360 things that we've been thinking about what's been going on 1:06:35.400 --> 1:06:37.720 between her and Kanye for the past like five years. 1:06:38.480 --> 1:06:41.360 Um So, Kanye has been hit with a with a 1:06:41.360 --> 1:06:43.680 two d and fifty million dollar lawsuit by the family 1:06:43.680 --> 1:06:47.040 of George Floyd. The lawsuit was filed by Roxy Washington 1:06:47.120 --> 1:06:51.920 on behalf of her and George Floyd's a daughter, Gina. 1:06:52.200 --> 1:06:55.320 In In a statement, Washington's lawyers confirmed that she's doing 1:06:55.360 --> 1:06:58.760 Kanye West and his business partners for defamation, harassment, misappropriation, 1:06:59.120 --> 1:07:02.280 and infliction of ootional distress UM, and the legal team 1:07:02.320 --> 1:07:05.680 is allegedly considering a number of other possible defendants in 1:07:05.720 --> 1:07:11.600 the case, including Candace Owen's. So it sucks that that's happening, 1:07:11.640 --> 1:07:15.040 but I like that, like that, that's just like retraumatizing 1:07:15.160 --> 1:07:18.400 to the entire family. Um that they're having to dredge 1:07:18.480 --> 1:07:20.800 up all this stuff to sue fucking Kanye West and 1:07:20.880 --> 1:07:25.600 Candace Owen's. That sucks, But I hope that they get 1:07:25.640 --> 1:07:28.960 all of their money. Like yeah, I like, I hope 1:07:29.000 --> 1:07:31.480 that they get to live forever on the money of 1:07:31.560 --> 1:07:36.880 Kanye West. Um, it's like, look, dude, like again, it's 1:07:36.920 --> 1:07:39.959 just that like that oh saying it's like, you ain't 1:07:39.960 --> 1:07:42.840 gotta like me, but just you you don't. You also 1:07:42.880 --> 1:07:45.200 don't have to be in my way, you know. So 1:07:45.440 --> 1:07:48.120 even when I look at somebody like a Candice or whatever, 1:07:48.200 --> 1:07:53.280 this like this sphere of of specifically persons of color 1:07:53.440 --> 1:07:57.520 in this right wing grivet, that I'm like, you don't, like, 1:07:57.640 --> 1:07:59.320 you don't have to help me, but you also don't 1:07:59.320 --> 1:08:02.080 have to hurt me, you know. And that's and that's 1:08:02.120 --> 1:08:04.320 the part to me again, I keep coming back to that. 1:08:04.440 --> 1:08:06.560 It's like you're going out of your way to hurt us, 1:08:06.880 --> 1:08:10.000 Like that's that's I'm like, I don't get it, man, 1:08:10.280 --> 1:08:13.440 Like you don't. You don't have to do. There is 1:08:13.520 --> 1:08:16.960 so much money. Here's the thing. And this is gonna 1:08:17.000 --> 1:08:19.680 sound terrible, but I mean it to be terrible. There 1:08:19.760 --> 1:08:22.000 is so much money to be made off white people. 1:08:22.880 --> 1:08:26.479 Like you can make so much money from them. We 1:08:26.840 --> 1:08:29.400 have a lot of it. We took it from everywhere else. Yes, 1:08:30.080 --> 1:08:34.160 you can make so much from them without destroying it, 1:08:34.200 --> 1:08:37.760 without tearing us down, you know. Just it's like get 1:08:37.800 --> 1:08:43.040 your money. Okay, Yeah, I'm gonna I'm now gonna read 1:08:43.120 --> 1:08:46.639 like my thesis on this, because again I did, I did, 1:08:46.680 --> 1:08:48.360 I did not. I initially did not want to cover this. 1:08:48.439 --> 1:08:50.920 I thought we probably shouldn't. I thought that it's it's 1:08:50.960 --> 1:08:54.240 kind of explitting the same media cycles that encourages this 1:08:54.560 --> 1:08:56.880 type of healthy behavior in the first place. But I 1:08:58.200 --> 1:08:59.960 have a thesis on this that I when I kind 1:09:00.000 --> 1:09:01.760 of go through and then get on them, we can 1:09:01.840 --> 1:09:04.960 and and and and this discussion. So in an online 1:09:04.960 --> 1:09:08.800 economy based on shock ad driven head discourse and data 1:09:08.840 --> 1:09:13.600 collecting online engagement. Kanye's outbursts are useful to be deployed 1:09:13.640 --> 1:09:17.639 as ready made ammunition for culture wars, even though what 1:09:17.680 --> 1:09:21.360 he said is so obviously beyond the pale quoting New Republic, 1:09:21.760 --> 1:09:26.360 West's celebrity, still existent despite years of controversy and alienation, 1:09:26.800 --> 1:09:29.960 is simply too valuable for the Right after decades of 1:09:30.040 --> 1:09:33.479 being denied the endorsement of of predominant celebrities, with the 1:09:33.520 --> 1:09:37.160 exception of like Clint Eastwood, um and and and someone 1:09:37.160 --> 1:09:41.519 like Donald Trump, and the Rights gritting their teeth through 1:09:41.640 --> 1:09:44.959 how celebrities don't really matter to them. The Right cherishes 1:09:45.000 --> 1:09:48.320 the affection it receives from controversial crossover figures such as 1:09:48.320 --> 1:09:51.040 Elon Musk and Kanye West, and doesn't want to lose 1:09:51.080 --> 1:09:55.160 them to disrepute, or at least wants to continue using 1:09:55.200 --> 1:09:58.120 them in spite of it. West's willingness to lend his 1:09:58.160 --> 1:10:00.600 imper mater to the pet cause is of people like 1:10:00.720 --> 1:10:05.520 Carlson and kind of Swan's makes him invaluable and un jettisonable. 1:10:06.439 --> 1:10:09.000 To pick up a quote from the from uh The 1:10:09.080 --> 1:10:12.920 Washington Post. Polling has repeatedly shown that white Republicans view 1:10:13.000 --> 1:10:17.759 themselves as targets of discrimination equivalent to non majority groups. 1:10:18.240 --> 1:10:21.880 Carlson and Trump, sharing in that sense, highlight anecdotes that 1:10:21.920 --> 1:10:24.960 reinforce that sense, and push back against the group that's 1:10:24.960 --> 1:10:27.920 most forcefully calling for the playing field to be leveled, 1:10:28.320 --> 1:10:32.559 the Left, the new elite. So Carlson sees Kanye wearing 1:10:32.600 --> 1:10:36.600 a shirt that explicitly casts whites as victims and understands 1:10:36.640 --> 1:10:40.040 the opportunity. Here's a member of the inner circle of 1:10:40.080 --> 1:10:42.720 the elite, a black man who's willing to elevate the 1:10:42.760 --> 1:10:46.719 idea that white lives are disadvantaged in an equivalent way 1:10:46.760 --> 1:10:50.720 to black lives. To validate the victimization and discomfort, Let's 1:10:50.760 --> 1:10:55.439 set up an interview unquote. So for Carlson's purposes, West 1:10:55.520 --> 1:10:58.400 did not have to be holly coherent. He can easily 1:10:58.520 --> 1:11:00.759 edit out the parts where he's ranked about the Jews, 1:11:01.160 --> 1:11:04.920 visions of kinetic energy cities, and fake children. Carlson was 1:11:04.960 --> 1:11:07.320 able to present to his viewers a famous black man 1:11:07.360 --> 1:11:10.479 who is being punished for holding views abhorred by the 1:11:10.560 --> 1:11:15.479 gate keeping cultural elites. In the podcast, West combined his 1:11:15.520 --> 1:11:20.240 anti semitism and anti black infantilization into slander that Jewish 1:11:20.240 --> 1:11:24.120 people have owned the black voice. But it's Kanye whose 1:11:24.240 --> 1:11:27.320 voice and platform is being used by far right grifters 1:11:27.840 --> 1:11:32.679 for profit by stoking white populist racism against both Jews 1:11:32.760 --> 1:11:36.120 and black people, and now to buy their failed social 1:11:36.120 --> 1:11:39.360 media apps. The conservative Christian right that has grown to 1:11:39.439 --> 1:11:41.560 use Kanye as a token won't be so quick to 1:11:41.600 --> 1:11:45.880 disown him for overtly conspiratorial or biggest statements. One of 1:11:45.880 --> 1:11:48.040 the lessons that the right has learned from Donald Trump 1:11:48.120 --> 1:11:51.480 is that there's no advantages to be gained from criticizing 1:11:51.479 --> 1:11:54.000 one zone as long as they're remaining loyal to the 1:11:54.080 --> 1:11:57.360 fundamental causes of the movement, especially when it comes to 1:11:57.400 --> 1:12:01.559 exploiting white grievance. West is then permitted to be as 1:12:01.600 --> 1:12:04.080 blatantly anti Semitic as he wants without fear of sanction. 1:12:04.160 --> 1:12:06.640 He is clearly bigoted and clearly suffering, but the right 1:12:06.760 --> 1:12:09.840 clearly considers him to be the most useful idiot, or 1:12:09.880 --> 1:12:13.360 perhaps one of the brave few people who's willing to 1:12:13.400 --> 1:12:15.920 say the things that others may think but don't yet 1:12:16.000 --> 1:12:18.600 dare utter. Some have argued that there's no point in 1:12:18.640 --> 1:12:23.160 searching for meaning in Kanye's almost decades long descent, that 1:12:23.200 --> 1:12:26.200 there's no deeper insight here, just the truth that that 1:12:26.240 --> 1:12:30.160 anti Semitism is noxious and we're a tragically long way 1:12:30.160 --> 1:12:32.920 from defeating it. But I think that misses the relatively 1:12:32.960 --> 1:12:36.200 clear trajectory that Kanye has been on since ultra life, 1:12:36.200 --> 1:12:40.280 being to this now Christian identity but black shit, and 1:12:40.520 --> 1:12:43.799 the very real danger and influence that a relatively small 1:12:44.200 --> 1:12:48.160 and unknown weirdos like Candice Owens can have on like 1:12:48.400 --> 1:12:53.120 countrywide politics. And finally, to paraphrase from the Columbia Journalism Review, 1:12:53.680 --> 1:12:57.639 Kanye West's statements are not of no consequence, but anyone 1:12:57.720 --> 1:13:01.240 who spends time thinking about them and talking about them 1:13:01.360 --> 1:13:05.280 needs to not be complicit in exacerbating those consequences, whether 1:13:05.320 --> 1:13:08.760 that be platforming bigotry or stigmatizing mental health issues. If 1:13:08.800 --> 1:13:11.639 the median and the press must cover Kanye, they should 1:13:11.680 --> 1:13:16.240 do so with context and with an eye towards accuracy, reality, history, 1:13:16.280 --> 1:13:20.439 and motivation. At minimum, coverage should isolate what's important to 1:13:20.520 --> 1:13:23.720 Kanye's and the story and describe it clearly for what 1:13:23.800 --> 1:13:27.080 it is, rather than mining him for controversy and then 1:13:27.120 --> 1:13:32.200 performing ignorance or agnosticism about the substance of what he's saying, 1:13:32.560 --> 1:13:35.840 sadly too much. Top Line coverage of Kanye's recent outbursts 1:13:35.840 --> 1:13:38.439 did the latter, with several mainstream outlets referring to the 1:13:38.439 --> 1:13:42.559 tweets and headlines as alleged anti Semitic posts, or wrote 1:13:42.560 --> 1:13:45.080 that the posts have been widely deemed to be anti 1:13:45.080 --> 1:13:49.000 Semitic language that clearly reveals more about the authors than 1:13:49.040 --> 1:13:52.120 its subject. So that that's kind of my thesis on 1:13:52.200 --> 1:13:55.200 why this is worth talking about and all of the 1:13:55.800 --> 1:13:59.759 moving aspects about what's going on here between Canadas, Owens, Tuck, Tucker, Carlson, 1:14:00.240 --> 1:14:06.680 and Kandye West. So, yeah, good work, let's all go 1:14:07.439 --> 1:14:11.360 be sad. Yeah, there's not really a solution here except 1:14:12.400 --> 1:14:18.599 besides celebrity. Like, I mean, you know, all of this 1:14:19.160 --> 1:14:21.920 has at its root the same problems, which is that 1:14:22.000 --> 1:14:27.080 when you allow money to equivalentate like social and political 1:14:27.120 --> 1:14:30.439 power or equal social and political power, and when you 1:14:31.200 --> 1:14:35.160 then hand certain individuals huge amounts of money, um, a 1:14:35.200 --> 1:14:38.240 lot of them will either be outright evil or out 1:14:38.240 --> 1:14:40.479 of their minds, or a combination of the two, and 1:14:40.520 --> 1:14:43.120 they can cause tremendous damage to society as a result 1:14:43.200 --> 1:14:46.720 of it. Um. So it's good, Yeah, I think that 1:14:46.760 --> 1:14:50.760 there's two. You know, from from my perspective, there's the 1:14:50.760 --> 1:14:57.120 the metaphorical question of like, okay, is he disinvited to 1:14:57.240 --> 1:15:00.200 the barbecue? Like, which is a you know, get a 1:15:00.240 --> 1:15:02.400 metaphorical question, don't if you guys know what I mean 1:15:02.439 --> 1:15:03.760 when we say that, It was like can he come 1:15:03.840 --> 1:15:06.160 to the bar few? Yeah? So like yeah, you know 1:15:06.160 --> 1:15:07.800 what I mean? Like, so the question we need to 1:15:07.840 --> 1:15:11.080 ask as a community, as the culture, like he so 1:15:11.240 --> 1:15:16.280 lovingly decides to mock um, but is that okay? So, 1:15:16.400 --> 1:15:19.640 as a community, what does it take for us to 1:15:19.760 --> 1:15:24.160 finally disavow somebody's statements and just be like, all right, brother, 1:15:24.160 --> 1:15:26.439 you're gone, you know, because right now it's up for debate. 1:15:26.560 --> 1:15:28.479 You know, there are people that like, you know, we 1:15:28.600 --> 1:15:31.720 checked out long time ago. You know, there are other 1:15:31.760 --> 1:15:34.280 people that are like still like, you know, we love 1:15:34.320 --> 1:15:36.599 the old Kanye and that genius is still in there. Yeah, 1:15:36.640 --> 1:15:38.880 but this album slaps Okay, I know he problematic. I 1:15:38.960 --> 1:15:40.880 know he put the red hat on, but you know, 1:15:41.280 --> 1:15:43.479 the Sunday services were so dope, you know what I'm saying, Like, 1:15:43.479 --> 1:15:47.320 so you have that discussion continually happening. But I think 1:15:47.320 --> 1:15:49.880 that that's something asked for for our community. We need 1:15:49.920 --> 1:15:52.880 to learn how to We need to really discuss, you know, 1:15:53.160 --> 1:15:55.280 what does it take for us to like finally let 1:15:55.280 --> 1:15:58.360 somebody go. Like again, I I keep going back to 1:15:58.400 --> 1:16:01.479 our Kelly because I'm like, dog, we knew, we knew 1:16:01.520 --> 1:16:04.599 since Aliah that like this brother had problems, you know. 1:16:04.840 --> 1:16:07.040 I mean, I think if if there's a way to 1:16:08.040 --> 1:16:11.280 not alienate him fully so that his only friend is 1:16:11.360 --> 1:16:13.880 Candace Owens, that would be great exactly. That's that's why 1:16:13.920 --> 1:16:15.920 it's up for debate. It's like you, I don't know 1:16:15.960 --> 1:16:18.160 how that process works. That's what I'm trying to say. 1:16:18.200 --> 1:16:19.839 That's part of the part. That's part of the problem. 1:16:19.840 --> 1:16:23.519 It's like, but you know why we why it hasn't 1:16:23.520 --> 1:16:25.360 had why it doesn't happen so fast? Like I said, like, 1:16:25.640 --> 1:16:29.240 our defense is normally, our collective identity is the community. 1:16:29.280 --> 1:16:31.599 That's how we defend each other and protect each other 1:16:31.880 --> 1:16:34.040 from falling off the edge, either from the police or 1:16:34.120 --> 1:16:37.120 from yourself. It's like you bring them in and just 1:16:37.160 --> 1:16:38.840 be like, oh, baby, we need to have a talk, 1:16:39.240 --> 1:16:43.760 you know. Um, But at some point you're like all right, 1:16:43.880 --> 1:16:46.200 family done, you know. And that's what happened with R. Kelly. 1:16:46.240 --> 1:16:49.960 It was like, all right, dog, we tried you know, uh, 1:16:50.000 --> 1:16:52.320 we we tried you we can't do this no more, 1:16:52.640 --> 1:16:54.840 you know. Um. I think there's that, and I think 1:16:54.840 --> 1:17:03.320 there's also another question obviously, the the American evangelical, which 1:17:04.200 --> 1:17:08.240 you know, statistically speaking, still only represents nine to eleven 1:17:08.280 --> 1:17:12.680 percent of christian as a whole across the world. So 1:17:12.720 --> 1:17:16.240 you really like it's a this is a specific to 1:17:16.600 --> 1:17:20.320 us in America problem, And I just wonder that's another 1:17:20.400 --> 1:17:23.880 question to me, Like y'all like they always looking for 1:17:23.960 --> 1:17:28.000 whether it was Tim Tebow or you, always looking for champions, 1:17:28.439 --> 1:17:31.360 you know, and and this keeps happening to you, keeps 1:17:31.400 --> 1:17:33.600 happening to you, and y'all end up looking like assholes, 1:17:34.040 --> 1:17:38.000 you know what I'm saying, and just not like the 1:17:38.040 --> 1:17:40.679 faith you say you profess, Like when are y'all gonna 1:17:40.680 --> 1:17:43.120 stop looking for champions, Like when you're gonna stop looking 1:17:43.160 --> 1:17:46.400 for your and just be like, let's just do the 1:17:46.400 --> 1:17:49.519 ship our book says, you know, like for better or 1:17:49.560 --> 1:17:53.080 for worse? Like you know, I just think that these 1:17:53.120 --> 1:17:55.800 are again, these are interesting cultural questions. See, you don't 1:17:55.800 --> 1:17:58.120 need no celebrity, Like why y'all always think you need 1:17:58.160 --> 1:18:00.519 a celebrity because you just because again you're just trying 1:18:00.560 --> 1:18:03.320 to be cool while at the same time saying that 1:18:03.400 --> 1:18:05.960 you stand against the culture. It's like, well, well, funk, 1:18:05.960 --> 1:18:08.559 will you stand against the culture? Why are you always 1:18:08.560 --> 1:18:10.840 trying to have somebody from the culture to be a hero, 1:18:11.439 --> 1:18:14.280 you know, like well ship, Like, I don't know, I'm 1:18:14.320 --> 1:18:17.120 just saying like I think I do think that Again, 1:18:17.160 --> 1:18:19.200 I don't have no answers either, but I think that 1:18:19.280 --> 1:18:23.520 these are like questions that everybody that this fool affected 1:18:23.960 --> 1:18:26.160 y'all really need to ask yourself, Like you need to 1:18:26.200 --> 1:18:29.040 ask yourself, you know, like you said, like the mental 1:18:29.080 --> 1:18:32.360 health stuff, the problem of celebrity, which is a bigger problem. 1:18:32.360 --> 1:18:36.000 But to me, these are he he he made. He's 1:18:36.120 --> 1:18:41.120 making us inadvertently ask ourselves these big systemic questions that 1:18:41.439 --> 1:18:44.559 we still are afraid to reckon with. I feel like 1:18:48.880 --> 1:18:52.559 I think that's a good note to end. Well, everybody 1:18:52.760 --> 1:18:54.639 that's gonna do it for all of us here man, 1:18:55.000 --> 1:18:59.479 thanks for having the several podcasts that this is uh. 1:18:59.600 --> 1:19:02.560 You can sten to hood politics by typing hood politics 1:19:02.600 --> 1:19:04.559 into whatever it is you used to look for things, 1:19:04.680 --> 1:19:06.720 and you can listen to it could happen here by 1:19:06.760 --> 1:19:09.639 typing it could happen here into whatever thing you type 1:19:09.640 --> 1:19:40.200 stuff into, go type stuff. Now bye, Oh God is dead. 1:19:41.320 --> 1:19:45.080 I'm Robert Evans. Welcome to the podcast where the first 1:19:45.160 --> 1:19:47.880 episode of Spooky Week past try to figure out who 1:19:48.000 --> 1:19:51.680 murdered God and come to the conclusion that it was 1:19:51.760 --> 1:19:56.040 almost certainly will weep, I'm pointing my finger at someone else. Actually, Robert, 1:19:56.040 --> 1:20:01.519 I'm fingering Bigfoot. And wow. Okay, now now, Daniel, Daniel, 1:20:01.560 --> 1:20:04.080 I'm gonna need you to just cut that audio online 1:20:04.280 --> 1:20:07.519 out of the episode so that everyone on the team 1:20:07.600 --> 1:20:09.840 can play it as a drop whenever we need to. 1:20:10.120 --> 1:20:14.760 James admitting to fingering Bigfoot. Um, all right, that's gonna 1:20:14.800 --> 1:20:17.599 be an episode everybody of a good week. God bless you. 1:20:19.680 --> 1:20:22.720 This is it could happen here. This is Spooky Week, right, 1:20:22.720 --> 1:20:28.680 we're recording our first spooky crazed be to God. Um, 1:20:28.720 --> 1:20:30.840 all right, what do we what do we have for 1:20:30.880 --> 1:20:33.840 the ladies and not not the gentleman. This one's just 1:20:33.880 --> 1:20:37.719 for the ladies. I'm gonna say that right now, says 1:20:37.720 --> 1:20:45.040 hers and slurs. It's it's what we what we got today. 1:20:45.160 --> 1:20:47.920 What we got today, Robert Garrison, is some stories about 1:20:48.000 --> 1:20:51.200 cryptids and So I want to start in the autumn 1:20:51.960 --> 1:20:55.559 Garrison was not alive and Robert and now we're much younger, 1:20:56.040 --> 1:20:59.160 and I want to start in northern California where one 1:20:59.280 --> 1:21:02.679 night through Emen set out to execute a pretty routine 1:21:03.120 --> 1:21:06.200 We trade right and had drops the kindyself, get some money, 1:21:06.200 --> 1:21:09.840 come home. And it's not exactly a secret that at 1:21:09.840 --> 1:21:11.320 that time and in that place there was a lot 1:21:11.360 --> 1:21:16.240 of illegal girl operations and it's not exactly a secret. Yeah, yeah, 1:21:16.320 --> 1:21:19.800 have you heard about this? Yeah? Yeah, I mean like 1:21:20.320 --> 1:21:24.320 it's number one once you hit about anywhere in like 1:21:24.360 --> 1:21:29.679 the coastal northern caliph Fornia, from like Santa Cruz on up. Uh, 1:21:30.000 --> 1:21:32.960 bigfoot is like a topic not even not even really 1:21:32.960 --> 1:21:34.880 of discussion. But there's just big foot ship all over 1:21:34.960 --> 1:21:38.920 the goddamn place. Um, from Arcada to like Grants Pass 1:21:39.080 --> 1:21:41.800 is probably the biggest density of bigfoot ship. But it's 1:21:41.840 --> 1:21:45.040 all throughout or again all throughout Washington. You get a 1:21:45.080 --> 1:21:50.120 decent amount in Idaho, I think too. Um, but yeah, 1:21:50.280 --> 1:21:51.720 people make a lot of money of big foot. It's 1:21:51.720 --> 1:21:54.559 even a Bigfoot highway up there. But yeah, I was 1:21:54.640 --> 1:21:58.000 listening to a dogship podcast recently. It's not very good. 1:21:58.400 --> 1:22:01.839 It's called wild thing. It's buy some former NPR reporter 1:22:03.160 --> 1:22:06.840 the Squatches podcast. Right, Yeah, she's doing like a Bigfoot thing. 1:22:06.880 --> 1:22:10.200 It's just not very good. Like there's bits in there 1:22:10.240 --> 1:22:13.760 where she'll like quote one guy who's like, there's a lot. 1:22:13.800 --> 1:22:16.080 There's so much evidence for bigfoot. If you type big 1:22:16.120 --> 1:22:19.560 foot into Google, there's like a eleven million results, and 1:22:20.520 --> 1:22:23.360 an actual scientist will be like, there's no evidence for bigfoot, 1:22:23.560 --> 1:22:25.519 and she just as like, what are we to think? 1:22:28.720 --> 1:22:31.800 Both sides? Both sides? Yeah, yeah, I did not find 1:22:31.840 --> 1:22:33.800 it very edifying. I was listening to it while I 1:22:33.840 --> 1:22:36.920 was alone on the mountain this weekend. There are two 1:22:36.960 --> 1:22:39.280 sides to bigfoot story, rob it. It doesn't matter if 1:22:39.320 --> 1:22:42.599 one of them is wrong. No, um, it's very fun. 1:22:42.880 --> 1:22:46.800 But yeah, because I also the parts of the West 1:22:46.840 --> 1:22:49.400 Coast that are Bigfoot country are also the parts of 1:22:49.400 --> 1:22:51.960 the West Coast that grow like more pot than anywhere 1:22:51.960 --> 1:22:56.760 else on planet Earth. Yeah. Yeah, which is interesting, isn't it? 1:22:56.800 --> 1:23:01.240 Because these two things may or may not. Yeah, I 1:23:01.280 --> 1:23:07.599 think they do. Please continue, Yes, so huluated, I will 1:23:07.680 --> 1:23:11.200 use to loosely use the word documentary here. Yeah, loose 1:23:11.360 --> 1:23:14.920 is is good for this, So I again to use 1:23:14.960 --> 1:23:17.679 a few words loosely here. So according to David Holt, 1:23:17.720 --> 1:23:22.000 house journalist, which is again a word I'm using maybe loosely, 1:23:22.040 --> 1:23:25.200 But he does a pretty good job and he's fine 1:23:25.280 --> 1:23:28.320 hold house. So the interesting thing about him and what 1:23:28.360 --> 1:23:30.960 I do kind of like about him, is he's like 1:23:31.760 --> 1:23:35.120 he worked as a trimmer. Like so the pot industry, 1:23:35.680 --> 1:23:40.080 there's the people who move the marijuana around the country, 1:23:40.120 --> 1:23:42.960 including smuggle it into places where it's still fully illegal. 1:23:43.360 --> 1:23:47.920 There's the people who sell it, either illegally or at dispensaries. Um, 1:23:47.960 --> 1:23:51.240 there's the people who grow it. And then the largest 1:23:51.280 --> 1:23:53.680 by number chunk of the weed trade, or the trimmers. 1:23:53.680 --> 1:23:56.320 And those are the people every season, usually in the fall, 1:23:56.320 --> 1:23:59.599 come down for three or four months northern California's southern 1:23:59.600 --> 1:24:04.080 Oregon mostly and they take raw marijuana that's been like 1:24:04.200 --> 1:24:06.240 bucked and cut off of the plant and they trim 1:24:06.360 --> 1:24:09.240 it into the kind of buds that you buy. Um. 1:24:09.280 --> 1:24:11.519 And this guy was doing that back in the nineties, 1:24:11.560 --> 1:24:13.800 and he ran into these stories about a big foot 1:24:13.880 --> 1:24:17.479 murdering two or three Mexican guys. Yeah, that's exactly it. Yeah, 1:24:17.520 --> 1:24:19.840 so I think he actually has a really good job 1:24:19.880 --> 1:24:22.880 in this documentary. Yeah, I I actually didn't think it 1:24:22.920 --> 1:24:26.000 was was bad. No, No, I was ready for it 1:24:26.040 --> 1:24:29.320 to be bad, but I was quite impressed with So 1:24:29.360 --> 1:24:31.280 what happened is, Yeah, like Robert says said, there are 1:24:31.320 --> 1:24:36.320 these probably migrant probably undocumented workers right who come well 1:24:36.400 --> 1:24:38.799 a lot of them, there's a good chunk of them, probably, 1:24:38.840 --> 1:24:42.839 I don't know by my estimates. Maybe are like mostly 1:24:42.840 --> 1:24:45.559 white kids from various parts of the country. A lot 1:24:45.600 --> 1:24:50.480 of them are folks who are either kind of seasonally unhoused. 1:24:50.560 --> 1:24:53.000 Many of them like live in camp basically in places 1:24:53.040 --> 1:24:55.120 like Arcada a big chunk of the year, and then 1:24:55.160 --> 1:24:57.960 we'll live on farms while they trim Um. There are 1:24:57.960 --> 1:25:01.200 a decent chunk who are undocumented. A lot our mong um, 1:25:01.880 --> 1:25:04.920 Like a lot of are like first, like particularly older 1:25:04.920 --> 1:25:09.519 among people who like came here after Vietnam and started 1:25:09.560 --> 1:25:12.960 businesses and then like their kids and grandkids got into 1:25:13.000 --> 1:25:15.439 the pot trade. And we're like, well, my you know, 1:25:15.600 --> 1:25:18.639 grandma and my aunts retired and they like they living 1:25:18.640 --> 1:25:20.280 in the woods and are good at tremming, Like we 1:25:20.280 --> 1:25:22.759 can make a bunch of extra money this way. Um, 1:25:22.800 --> 1:25:25.560 it's all sorts up there. Yeah, it's kind of fascinating. 1:25:26.240 --> 1:25:28.760 So these three guys set out to do this deal, 1:25:28.880 --> 1:25:30.759 right that they're three of the people who fall into 1:25:30.800 --> 1:25:35.200 the undocumented labor category, and they never come back, and 1:25:35.880 --> 1:25:38.560 whole house is sitting in one of these farmhouses or 1:25:38.600 --> 1:25:40.519 in a trailer or something, when when a couple of 1:25:40.520 --> 1:25:42.320 guys come in and say, hey, those those dudes never 1:25:42.400 --> 1:25:46.640 came back and they've been killed. Right, they seem to 1:25:46.640 --> 1:25:50.160 have been sort of pretty brutally murdered, but the we 1:25:50.360 --> 1:25:52.559 that they were carrying was still there, so it wasn't 1:25:52.600 --> 1:25:55.160 like somebody shook them down and stole the weed. Right. 1:25:56.160 --> 1:25:58.880 And yeah, you, by the way, if it was a 1:25:58.880 --> 1:26:03.320 weed industry thing, you probably wouldn't because everyone's got a 1:26:03.400 --> 1:26:05.880 lot of fucking weed. I Mean, people do steal weed, 1:26:06.360 --> 1:26:08.479 but if you're out there doing a murder, it's probably 1:26:08.520 --> 1:26:10.680 because somebody's fucking with your business in a bigger way 1:26:10.720 --> 1:26:13.120 than whatever they happen to have on the fucking farm. Like, 1:26:13.200 --> 1:26:15.640 I wouldn't be surprised if a pot murder would not 1:26:15.720 --> 1:26:18.360 result in whatever ship they had in their trailer actually 1:26:18.360 --> 1:26:21.560 getting jacked. Okay, right then, Yeah, because the weeds I 1:26:21.640 --> 1:26:26.000 think that everyone has so at the time, their deaths 1:26:26.120 --> 1:26:30.639 are largely, if not entirely factually attributed to Bigfoot. Right, 1:26:30.960 --> 1:26:34.160 it's put out there that these people were murdered by Bigfoot. Now, 1:26:35.120 --> 1:26:37.439 they are not the only people whose deaths have been 1:26:37.479 --> 1:26:41.799 blamed on Bigfoot. Earlier this year, July two, Seminole County 1:26:41.920 --> 1:26:46.600 Sheriff's Office reported the murder of Mr. Jimmy Knighton, and 1:26:46.680 --> 1:26:49.519 the press release they said Larry Sanders has reported killing 1:26:49.600 --> 1:26:52.880 Mr Jimmy Knighton by the South Canadian River. Sanders and 1:26:52.960 --> 1:26:57.840 Knighton had been noodling in the river on July. Okay, now, yeah, 1:26:58.280 --> 1:27:00.920 so given to me, Robert, you're you're from this part 1:27:00.960 --> 1:27:05.160 of the World's when you stroke a catfish you don't stroke? Well, yes, 1:27:05.240 --> 1:27:07.720 basically it's when you use kind of your fingers as 1:27:07.760 --> 1:27:12.040 bait and you catch a catfish by the mouth. Right, Yes, 1:27:12.200 --> 1:27:15.680 we call it noodling. What a country, Yes, I mean, 1:27:15.800 --> 1:27:19.760 James C. Robert to the kids these days, catch a 1:27:19.920 --> 1:27:21.880 catch a catch a catfish by the north being something 1:27:21.960 --> 1:27:26.520 very different. So does noodling, Yeah, or as the Mormons 1:27:26.600 --> 1:27:33.040 call it, soaking. Sure, there's a great story. This is 1:27:33.320 --> 1:27:37.240 off topic, but there was just an outbreak in South 1:27:37.360 --> 1:27:41.960 Lake City of armpit crabs because so many Mormon kids 1:27:41.960 --> 1:27:48.400 are having having armpit sex, and it's it's so funny. Really, 1:27:48.640 --> 1:27:53.519 it's not just wow, we're still doing this. We're still 1:27:53.560 --> 1:27:55.400 doing this, gere, We're gonna be doing this the rest 1:27:55.400 --> 1:27:59.440 of your natural life. Yeah, never getting past this ship. 1:28:00.840 --> 1:28:04.679 This is what the future halls feed decades of arm fucking. 1:28:05.560 --> 1:28:08.479 So Sanders, the knighting with they were old school noodling. 1:28:08.560 --> 1:28:11.160 They were They weren't online, of course. Yeah, that's that's 1:28:11.160 --> 1:28:13.320 the best kind of noodling in my opinion, That's what 1:28:13.400 --> 1:28:15.800 I've heard. So they're at they're at the river. At 1:28:15.840 --> 1:28:21.720 some point, Mr Sanders becomes convinced that Knighton has summoned 1:28:21.840 --> 1:28:25.040 Bigfoot to kill him. Now, that's interesting. You don't hear 1:28:25.040 --> 1:28:27.599 that a lot. You don't because I didn't think Bigfoot 1:28:27.640 --> 1:28:30.840 was summonable. That wasn't on the table of things that 1:28:30.920 --> 1:28:33.120 I thought one could do to a Bigfoot. I mean, 1:28:33.160 --> 1:28:36.840 I've always thought Bigfoot was summonable, but not for murder. 1:28:36.960 --> 1:28:41.240 For sex, sure, Okay, yeah, that's why his armpits are 1:28:41.240 --> 1:28:44.680 so crabby. Well, that's what everyone says about Bigfoot, so 1:28:44.760 --> 1:28:47.720 you can identify him in a crowd. So at some 1:28:47.840 --> 1:28:51.360 point Sanders becomes convinced of Bigfoot is on his way 1:28:51.600 --> 1:28:54.560 and he's going to kill him, and so he unfortunately 1:28:54.560 --> 1:28:59.479 strangles his noodling partner to death. Well that's tragic. And 1:28:59.560 --> 1:29:04.000 then a link part were it's gonna leave it. We're 1:29:04.000 --> 1:29:08.719 it's gonna leave it. We're just gonna move straight on. Yeah, yeah, 1:29:08.840 --> 1:29:11.280 So yeah, it does sound rather tragic, It does sound 1:29:11.479 --> 1:29:16.400 rather sad. But he seems to have reported pretty openly 1:29:16.439 --> 1:29:19.080 that he believed that Bigfoot was on its way and 1:29:19.120 --> 1:29:21.840 if he didn't stop this ritual, that Bigfoot will kill him, 1:29:22.080 --> 1:29:24.720 and a lot of as it turns out, things that 1:29:24.840 --> 1:29:29.960 people can't really explain. Often the times when people are 1:29:29.960 --> 1:29:32.400 in human to other humans tend to be explained as 1:29:32.439 --> 1:29:36.240 the actions of monsters. Right, And I want to quote 1:29:36.320 --> 1:29:43.439 from the documentarian, the director Joshua Rope, who made that film. 1:29:44.120 --> 1:29:46.439 He says, the thing that people should be afraid of 1:29:46.560 --> 1:29:48.760 is not the boogeyman in the woods. It's our next 1:29:48.800 --> 1:29:51.720 door neighbors who will usually commit acts of violence that 1:29:51.800 --> 1:29:55.080 will then terrify, you know, everybody on the block or 1:29:55.080 --> 1:29:58.640 in the neighborhood. Rope said that working in northern California 1:29:58.720 --> 1:30:01.720 was very scary. Did enter a sort of underworld, you know, 1:30:01.800 --> 1:30:04.240 for lack of a better term, and you know, we 1:30:04.240 --> 1:30:06.920 were really mindful to try and not overstay our welcome there. 1:30:08.479 --> 1:30:10.760 So I want to get into cryptids a little bit, 1:30:11.560 --> 1:30:13.439 and I want to get into some some of the 1:30:13.520 --> 1:30:16.360 more famous ones as well as a curse. I've got 1:30:16.360 --> 1:30:20.000 a curse here. Yeah. The curse is great because it's 1:30:20.000 --> 1:30:23.280 invented by the California Park Service. But I want to 1:30:23.280 --> 1:30:26.320 explain kind of the social functions that they sometimes serve 1:30:26.400 --> 1:30:29.240 as well as just having some fun talking about cryptids. 1:30:29.520 --> 1:30:32.519 So the one that I thought might serve as social function, 1:30:32.520 --> 1:30:36.000 and probably the most famous crypted aside from Bigfoot, is 1:30:36.040 --> 1:30:41.000 our friend the Chupacabra, right and yeah yeah. In English, 1:30:41.120 --> 1:30:46.639 that translate to goat soccer, which is okay, yeah, yeah, 1:30:47.840 --> 1:30:51.200 we're staying. We're staying on this bite. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 1:30:51.240 --> 1:30:57.439 we're on themes a bit garrison. Its culture, yea, not 1:30:57.479 --> 1:30:59.960 a costume. I'll say this. I'm reading a great book 1:31:00.120 --> 1:31:03.920 right now about the god Soccer. No it's it's called 1:31:03.920 --> 1:31:06.640 The Last Emperor of Mexico, and it's about that Habsburg 1:31:06.720 --> 1:31:09.519 who tried to become the yeah yeah, and they hung 1:31:09.520 --> 1:31:14.920 his assid in like three weeks. It's very funny. Um yeah, 1:31:15.000 --> 1:31:18.559 good stuff. Huge respect to the people of Mexico. So 1:31:18.600 --> 1:31:21.599 actually know the chuber Caabra doesn't come from Mexico, comes 1:31:21.640 --> 1:31:25.040 from Puerto Rico. But I didn't know that. Actually, yes, 1:31:25.200 --> 1:31:28.720 we get a little bit about the tuber Carbra. The 1:31:28.800 --> 1:31:30.559 perhaps the best source for this, as far as I 1:31:30.560 --> 1:31:34.240 can find, is this guy Benjamin Redford, who has written 1:31:34.240 --> 1:31:38.040 a book about the Tupercabra, and he shows that nearly 1:31:38.120 --> 1:31:43.320 all of the eyewitness accounts can be traced back to 1:31:43.680 --> 1:31:47.720 this one, the first account, which was this woman called 1:31:47.720 --> 1:31:53.080 Madeline Tolentino in the ninet nineties in uh in Puerto 1:31:53.160 --> 1:31:55.760 rican Right. So it's also much more recent than I thought. Like, 1:31:55.880 --> 1:31:59.120 the tuber Cabra is twenty seven years old, it is 1:31:59.120 --> 1:32:02.280 said's it's younger earn me, which is quite remarkable given 1:32:02.320 --> 1:32:05.840 how much cultural impact has had. Yeah, I thought I 1:32:05.920 --> 1:32:08.160 thought it was much older. Yeah, be too. I thought 1:32:08.160 --> 1:32:10.840 it was just like an old tiny border legend. And 1:32:10.880 --> 1:32:14.799 you're what forty nine, James, that's correct. Yeah, yeah, okay, 1:32:15.080 --> 1:32:17.599 just making no, Yeah, I'm just I'm just kicking here 1:32:17.600 --> 1:32:19.120 for a couple more years before I can claim that 1:32:19.320 --> 1:32:23.439 sweet I Heeart Mediation, get that I a ARP, go 1:32:23.520 --> 1:32:25.760 to the be able to go to the fucking the 1:32:25.800 --> 1:32:28.559 sizzler and get five percent off. That's it, man. I've 1:32:28.600 --> 1:32:30.479 got to be issued in my nineteen eleven, which you 1:32:30.479 --> 1:32:32.880 get when you're sixty years old. You get a you 1:32:32.880 --> 1:32:35.719 get a nineteen eleven and you get a Loui's Gift card, 1:32:36.439 --> 1:32:38.479 and you get to evoke the Second World War whenever 1:32:38.520 --> 1:32:40.439 anyone is rude to you, even if you weren't in it, 1:32:40.800 --> 1:32:43.000 and you're you're allowed to drive your car into a 1:32:43.040 --> 1:32:46.720 farmer's market in the state of California up to twice. 1:32:46.840 --> 1:32:48.519 You have to try. After that, you have to move 1:32:48.560 --> 1:32:52.400 to Oregon. M M. That's right. So yeah, I'm until 1:32:52.439 --> 1:32:54.160 my retirement. They I want to talk a little bit 1:32:54.160 --> 1:32:58.120 about this, this super coupla. So uh. They're fascinating because 1:32:59.120 --> 1:33:02.719 like with big Foot, right there are, as you have mentioned, 1:33:02.800 --> 1:33:06.840 eleven million Google results, but no actual bigfoots right now, 1:33:06.920 --> 1:33:08.559 no one's ever found a big foot. No one can 1:33:08.600 --> 1:33:12.600 present two biggs feet a big big feet? Is that? Yeah? 1:33:13.040 --> 1:33:14.960 It takes an eye, right, so it's it's from the 1:33:14.960 --> 1:33:20.559 Italian big feet. That's ready, that's right? Yeah, Okay, so 1:33:21.040 --> 1:33:24.280 there are a big feete, but there are tuper carbters um. 1:33:25.439 --> 1:33:29.720 And the reason there are tuper covers is that what 1:33:29.880 --> 1:33:32.720 people are tuber carter right, the name goat sucker. And 1:33:32.800 --> 1:33:36.360 this this will shock you, Garrison, especially that the way 1:33:36.360 --> 1:33:38.280 that they are sucking goats is perhaps not the way 1:33:38.320 --> 1:33:42.519 you would expect. Interesting. Yeah, they're very innovative in this regard. 1:33:42.560 --> 1:33:45.080 What is happening is people are finding their goats, their chickens, 1:33:45.120 --> 1:33:48.759 their live stock, with their throat ripped out. Yeah yeah, yeah, okay, 1:33:48.800 --> 1:33:51.880 so it is the way you most animals need throats, right, 1:33:52.479 --> 1:33:55.480 it's one of the parts that Yeah, they're not interchangeable, 1:33:55.520 --> 1:33:57.200 they're not. Yeah, they're really it's good to know. This 1:33:57.320 --> 1:34:02.400 is all really important information. Yeah, so throat free goats, cattle, 1:34:02.640 --> 1:34:05.120 cheap chickens tend not to survive very long. So a 1:34:05.160 --> 1:34:06.400 lot of a lot of times people come out in 1:34:06.400 --> 1:34:12.719 the morning find their animals throatless and dead. Yeah you could. 1:34:12.760 --> 1:34:15.559 You could call it a deep throating. That's where they 1:34:15.560 --> 1:34:19.960 get it right deep in the throat. So they these 1:34:20.000 --> 1:34:24.000 animals are dead, and the people claim that they're drained 1:34:24.000 --> 1:34:26.800 of blood, which isn't quite true. Of course, there's there's 1:34:26.800 --> 1:34:32.400 only there's only two possible explanations, one obviously being vampires um, 1:34:32.520 --> 1:34:38.519 the other being this being this cript creature. Only possible 1:34:38.560 --> 1:34:42.559 things that could be that Supercabra is a vampire. It's okay, okay, okay, 1:34:42.640 --> 1:34:45.240 so yeah, that's where the ven diagram overlaps. It's this 1:34:45.360 --> 1:34:48.240 kind of it's it's got goat like legs actually, but 1:34:48.280 --> 1:34:51.280 then it's bipedal, has kind of a human torso and 1:34:51.360 --> 1:34:54.920 a sort of lizard meats wolf face. It's okay, so 1:34:54.960 --> 1:35:00.880 we're we're virging in like Jersey devil vampire terror. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, 1:35:00.920 --> 1:35:04.400 but it prefers warmer climate. It doesn't like Jersey, and frankly, 1:35:04.800 --> 1:35:08.439 I mean me neither, yea who doesn't. Yeah, look, I 1:35:08.479 --> 1:35:10.559 don't go east to New Mexico, and I don't think 1:35:10.560 --> 1:35:13.360 anyone else should either. No, it doesn't. It doesn't care 1:35:13.400 --> 1:35:15.559 for Bruce Springsteen, and it doesn't want to live in 1:35:15.560 --> 1:35:19.040 New Jersey, so it stays out west. But it's been 1:35:19.080 --> 1:35:23.400 reported all over the world. Actually. Now, the a couple 1:35:23.400 --> 1:35:25.400 of interesting things about these supercabra is. One is that 1:35:25.439 --> 1:35:28.519 people have found them, especially in Texas. Right, are you 1:35:28.560 --> 1:35:34.400 familiar Robert with Texas blue dogs? No, okay, I go 1:35:34.520 --> 1:35:37.760 tell Robert something about Texas. So this lady, I don't 1:35:37.800 --> 1:35:39.960 have her name right down here, she was a Texas nutritionist. 1:35:40.000 --> 1:35:41.800 And but we do. By the way, I will say, 1:35:41.880 --> 1:35:44.000 when it cames to like cryptids people taught me about 1:35:44.000 --> 1:35:47.559 in Texas, it was the tuper cabra. Oh well, yeah, 1:35:47.560 --> 1:35:51.519 we mean we're basically Mexico like yeah, yeah, not Ted Cruz, 1:35:51.560 --> 1:35:55.920 who is the other famous Texas crypted Yeah, but I 1:35:56.080 --> 1:35:58.559 like Ted Cruz. This this tuper cabra had actually been 1:35:58.560 --> 1:36:01.479 to a farm and had been ripping out the throats 1:36:01.520 --> 1:36:04.880 of these animals, right, And this lady had a problem 1:36:04.920 --> 1:36:07.120 with with the animal's throats being ripped out. And then 1:36:07.120 --> 1:36:09.200 one day she finds the corps in which she presumes 1:36:09.240 --> 1:36:13.240 to be a chupercabra. It is hairless, it looks kind 1:36:13.240 --> 1:36:16.479 of like a dog that has pronounced glands on its bumps, 1:36:16.520 --> 1:36:20.400 on its back, I guess, and it has thick blue skin. 1:36:20.840 --> 1:36:23.160 So what why would you do, Robert, if you, if 1:36:23.200 --> 1:36:25.000 you were living in Texas you come across a dead 1:36:25.080 --> 1:36:29.080 chuper cabra, I mean, fry it up a little bit, 1:36:30.240 --> 1:36:32.960 you know. I hadn't even even some green chili. Throw 1:36:33.000 --> 1:36:36.200 that ship on there and just kind of haven't even 1:36:36.960 --> 1:36:38.920 make sense that one didn't even hit me. But yeah, 1:36:39.000 --> 1:36:41.400 having yeah, I know, there was a couple of taco 1:36:41.439 --> 1:36:43.600 spots we went to in Texas, which that might have 1:36:43.640 --> 1:36:45.599 been what was going on. Yeah, you just get whatever 1:36:45.680 --> 1:36:48.040 kind of me done man or meets meat. Yep. So 1:36:48.360 --> 1:36:50.160 that's not what this lady did. She was a nutrition 1:36:50.200 --> 1:36:52.040 its preaps, so she was a little little worried about 1:36:52.040 --> 1:36:55.320 the nutritional content. She had it stuffed and it's in 1:36:55.360 --> 1:36:59.640 her living room today. Okay, okay, it's just like a 1:37:00.000 --> 1:37:02.559 boy like what like, what what is it? Well, that's 1:37:02.560 --> 1:37:05.679 an interesting question, isn't it? Gary's It is an interesting question? Yes, 1:37:06.040 --> 1:37:08.240 what the what the blue dog seems to be? It 1:37:08.280 --> 1:37:10.640 is some kind of hybrid of a Mexican wolf and 1:37:10.680 --> 1:37:15.639 a coyote that has some kind of mange, which has 1:37:15.920 --> 1:37:18.680 made all its fair fall off. Nearly all of the 1:37:18.720 --> 1:37:22.280 Chooper cabras are are some sort of canine with mange, 1:37:22.439 --> 1:37:25.599 because mange makes it look like a fucking monster. Yeah, 1:37:26.080 --> 1:37:29.679 so what like if you saw a giant sphinx cat, 1:37:29.760 --> 1:37:33.920 you would also think that's a cripta Yes, yeah, and 1:37:34.040 --> 1:37:36.360 especially if they've been ripping the throats. Are you animals, right, 1:37:36.360 --> 1:37:40.840 because these poor coyotes and feral dogs and search is 1:37:41.240 --> 1:37:44.439 uh so weakened by the main so they can't prey 1:37:44.479 --> 1:37:48.680 on wild animals, and so they tend to come Okay, right, 1:37:48.720 --> 1:37:50.400 it's pretty easy to catch chickens if you can get 1:37:50.439 --> 1:37:52.120 into the coop, right, because they've got nowhere to go 1:37:52.400 --> 1:37:57.200 or to catch goats, and so unfortunately, what's happening is 1:37:57.200 --> 1:38:00.960 that these dogs, these various canids are getting Maine and 1:38:01.360 --> 1:38:03.760 they are unfortunately too weak to hunt, and so they're 1:38:03.800 --> 1:38:06.160 killing things like captive goats and chickens. And that is 1:38:06.240 --> 1:38:10.680 where the tupercabra miss comes from. Going back to the 1:38:10.760 --> 1:38:14.519 bipedal tupercabra though, it's very interesting. That sounds a little 1:38:14.520 --> 1:38:17.240 bit more fun. Yeah. So, in the year before the 1:38:17.280 --> 1:38:20.439 tuper Carbra was seen, there was a film made in 1:38:20.479 --> 1:38:27.439 Puerto Rico and it was called Species Oh man, Yeah, okay, okay. 1:38:27.680 --> 1:38:31.600 So unfortunately, the the original eyewitness reports which began the 1:38:31.720 --> 1:38:34.920 year after that film was released, Yeah, this I've heard. 1:38:35.200 --> 1:38:39.200 They all perfectly described the creature. It's got the spines 1:38:39.240 --> 1:38:42.280 on its back, Radford. Radford is a person doing right 1:38:42.360 --> 1:38:46.599 In the book, Radford said, the resemblance between the creature, 1:38:46.640 --> 1:38:48.960 which is called Sill in the film and the tuper 1:38:49.000 --> 1:38:54.160 cabra is really impressive. So yeah, the old quadrupedal tuper cabra, 1:38:54.320 --> 1:38:58.080 it's a dog with Maine. The bipedal tuper caabra seems 1:38:58.120 --> 1:39:02.799 to be exclude if Lee explained by this this movie 1:39:03.000 --> 1:39:08.040 and people's feelings about United States colonialism in Puerto Rico, 1:39:08.120 --> 1:39:12.080 specifically the number of defense facilities and labs in the 1:39:12.200 --> 1:39:14.800 un k Rainforest, and their feelings that maybe something like 1:39:14.840 --> 1:39:17.559 this ship could come out of one of these US labs, 1:39:17.600 --> 1:39:20.519 because if the US was developing a terrible creature that 1:39:20.600 --> 1:39:22.880 sucked the blood of people, it would absolutely do it 1:39:22.920 --> 1:39:26.759 in one of its colonial properties. Right, Yes, that entirely 1:39:26.800 --> 1:39:28.800 makes sense. So there's there's in a sense to you, 1:39:28.960 --> 1:39:34.280 per Carbre, according to Radford's theory, gives a physical manifestation 1:39:34.479 --> 1:39:37.679 of this feeling of disgust with the the United States. 1:39:37.840 --> 1:39:40.720 And I got a couple of other cryptids. I was 1:39:40.720 --> 1:39:45.040 going to talk very briefly about the Beast of Procter Valley, 1:39:45.080 --> 1:39:47.439 and then I want to talk about the curse of Body, 1:39:47.479 --> 1:39:50.479 which is a curse, not a cryptid. But first Robert 1:39:50.479 --> 1:39:52.639 do you know which what will not ambush your life 1:39:52.640 --> 1:39:56.080 stock and rip its throat out? Um, I mean like 1:39:56.120 --> 1:39:59.160 a like a good sheep dog wouldn't do that. That's right, 1:39:59.160 --> 1:40:03.360 and that's why this so it is presented by border collies. Wow, 1:40:04.400 --> 1:40:08.760 finally we finally got the big deal with the border collie. Yeah, 1:40:08.760 --> 1:40:12.120 that's as real complex. That's good. Yep. Just use promo 1:40:12.240 --> 1:40:15.920 code Robert Evans when you're buying your border collie. Tempt 1:40:16.000 --> 1:40:18.559 and off. Just walk up to a border collie and 1:40:18.600 --> 1:40:21.800 shout my name and it's face, try to grab its 1:40:21.800 --> 1:40:23.840 food away from it rapidly too. That's a good way 1:40:23.880 --> 1:40:27.280 to get their attention and see what happens. Refused to 1:40:27.320 --> 1:40:31.040 be herded. Yeah, so see if it likes that. All right, 1:40:31.080 --> 1:40:33.320 we're back. I hope you've all got your border collies 1:40:33.840 --> 1:40:36.560 because this this next, this next crypted is it's a 1:40:36.560 --> 1:40:39.320 little local one. Okay, So they're crypted a bit like 1:40:39.320 --> 1:40:42.400 the Tubercarbo all across the country. But the one that 1:40:42.479 --> 1:40:45.040 we have closest to San Diego is called the Proctor 1:40:45.120 --> 1:40:48.559 Valley Beast. And now to understand the Proctor Valley Beast, 1:40:48.560 --> 1:40:51.439 I think you've got to understand Proctor Valley. Proctor Valley 1:40:51.640 --> 1:40:53.640 is exactly the sort of dirt road that you go 1:40:53.720 --> 1:40:55.880 down when you're sixteen years old when you want to 1:40:55.880 --> 1:40:58.720 go somewhere with your date, pound a few beers and 1:40:58.880 --> 1:41:02.080 get away from your parents. Right, these kind of exist 1:41:02.280 --> 1:41:05.320 all over the country, all over the world probably, and 1:41:05.400 --> 1:41:09.400 there a little closer. They're close enough to know about, 1:41:09.479 --> 1:41:12.880 but far enough away to seem weird and distant. Right, 1:41:13.040 --> 1:41:16.040 And Proctor Valley is a gravel road and you can 1:41:16.120 --> 1:41:18.559 drive down at a regular cub. It's pretty washboarded. There's 1:41:18.600 --> 1:41:21.519 no lights, there's no street lights, nothing like that. Right, 1:41:21.640 --> 1:41:25.639 these days, your greatest danger when you're driving, riding a bike, 1:41:25.760 --> 1:41:27.840 or walking or driving down Propert Valley Road is the 1:41:27.880 --> 1:41:31.280 Board of Patrol absolutely hauling ass in one of their 1:41:31.760 --> 1:41:35.320 Ford Raptors, which they seem to have obtained. And I 1:41:35.360 --> 1:41:38.559 will never understand their love for the Ford Raptor. Yea, 1:41:38.880 --> 1:41:41.120 it is. I don't know how much those costs, but 1:41:41.160 --> 1:41:43.000 it is an obscene amount of money to spend on 1:41:43.000 --> 1:41:45.360 a pickup truck. Well, it's also like, look, if I'm 1:41:45.479 --> 1:41:47.080 going to be out in the in the middle of 1:41:47.080 --> 1:41:50.479 nowhere and trusting an off roading vehicle, my first pick 1:41:50.600 --> 1:41:52.400 is not going to be the Ford God damn rap. 1:41:52.439 --> 1:41:54.360 Well you've got to buy American robot. Yeah. But their 1:41:54.400 --> 1:41:58.599 border control of course, they're driving forwards, unbelievable. Yeah, well 1:41:58.600 --> 1:42:00.599 they always have a predator drone again, it can come 1:42:00.680 --> 1:42:05.680 rescue him. Yeah. Yeah, the border patrol and steroid abusers 1:42:05.840 --> 1:42:08.599 in my old neighborhood in West l A. Shaking hands 1:42:08.640 --> 1:42:12.840 over the Ford raptors. Yea, Ford raptors with illegal things. Yeah, 1:42:13.000 --> 1:42:15.600 Ford raptors. The car you can only drive if you 1:42:15.680 --> 1:42:18.680 have adult onset acne caused as a result of objective 1:42:18.760 --> 1:42:22.920 hormones into your fucking thigh every night. They's had a 1:42:22.920 --> 1:42:25.840 lot of them in l A. Coincidentally. Yeah, we already 1:42:25.880 --> 1:42:27.960 need one for you know, getting down Beverly Hills. But 1:42:28.280 --> 1:42:30.759 not the good hormones, like the ones you you steal 1:42:30.800 --> 1:42:34.960 from the horses blood. Yeah. Yeah, the hormones you take 1:42:35.000 --> 1:42:38.160 when you're wanting to be more matchup but maybe not quite, 1:42:38.360 --> 1:42:42.360 not quite achieving your gender insecurities. Okay, So legend has 1:42:42.400 --> 1:42:45.040 it that young couple headed off down Proctor Valley Road 1:42:45.120 --> 1:42:48.519 one night and their car broke down, so the young 1:42:48.560 --> 1:42:51.800 man gets out. This is a male female couple and 1:42:51.840 --> 1:42:54.200 he's going to fix the car, right, And he says 1:42:54.320 --> 1:42:56.600 to the lady in a very chivalrous way, that she 1:42:56.600 --> 1:43:00.360 should lock the doors so she's safe. Right. That's last 1:43:00.400 --> 1:43:03.760 she hears him. So she assumes he's gone off to 1:43:03.800 --> 1:43:06.800 get some help. And she nods off, and she's got 1:43:06.800 --> 1:43:08.519 the doors docks very safety knots off and she's a 1:43:08.560 --> 1:43:11.360 woken by a kind of scratching sound and the winds howling. 1:43:12.000 --> 1:43:13.960 Every time the wind blows is a little scratch on 1:43:14.000 --> 1:43:18.120 the roof. Scratch scratch, scratch, scratch, scratch scratch, right, wind noise. 1:43:18.160 --> 1:43:21.240 I'm not going to do the wind noise. And she 1:43:22.080 --> 1:43:25.559 starts shooting herself right. She's very scared now. Scratch scrat scratch, win, win, win, 1:43:25.640 --> 1:43:28.720 scratch scrat scratch. And she stays there till sunshine when 1:43:28.760 --> 1:43:32.080 she's son up. When she's woken up by the good 1:43:32.080 --> 1:43:35.439 people of the San Diego Sheriff's Department San Diego Sheriff's 1:43:35.439 --> 1:43:37.840 Department of shouting their pointing guns, said they're doing their thing. 1:43:38.160 --> 1:43:41.920 Why are they doing that? Because her boyfriend is hanging 1:43:42.040 --> 1:43:45.000 upside down, dismembered from the tree above her, and his 1:43:45.240 --> 1:43:47.960 nails are catching the top of the car. Every time 1:43:48.000 --> 1:43:50.880 the wind blows him right, he's been killed by the 1:43:50.960 --> 1:43:54.760 product valley beast. Now, the product Valley beast is is 1:43:54.800 --> 1:43:59.680 an animal of kind of nondescript shape and size. The 1:44:00.840 --> 1:44:05.040 in the seventy the local radio DJ organized a search 1:44:05.120 --> 1:44:07.920 for the Propta Valley beast. Right, people went out at night. 1:44:07.960 --> 1:44:10.240 Previously the prompt vality beast. Most of the stories it 1:44:10.320 --> 1:44:13.800 kind of looked like a kind of winged, bipedal half 1:44:13.920 --> 1:44:17.439 human gobbling creature. It changed it form in the nineteen 1:44:17.479 --> 1:44:21.960 seventies when people conducting it's just kind of a teen 1:44:22.160 --> 1:44:24.400 radio thing. In the nineteen seventies, right, people conducting this 1:44:24.439 --> 1:44:29.160 search reported finding a deranged cow. Okay, the cow was 1:44:29.160 --> 1:44:34.400 probably not directed. The cow was just sleeping. Yeah. I've 1:44:34.479 --> 1:44:36.479 known more cows than most people. I grew up on 1:44:36.479 --> 1:44:39.040 a cow farm. I've seen them behave in a variety 1:44:39.080 --> 1:44:42.439 of ways. I've never seen one appeared deranged. That's because 1:44:42.439 --> 1:44:46.240 they're moving very quickly. Sometimes they're scared, sometimes they're sick. 1:44:46.520 --> 1:44:49.080 Deranged as an interesting because cows don't really have enough 1:44:49.120 --> 1:44:51.920 going on up there to be deranged. Because you didn't 1:44:51.920 --> 1:44:53.719 grow up in the United Kingdom in a certain period 1:44:53.720 --> 1:44:56.400 of time, Robert, when our cows became mad. Well, but 1:44:56.479 --> 1:45:00.599 that's still I've I've seen cows that have mad how disease, 1:45:00.600 --> 1:45:03.360 and they're like, they're ill, but there I don't know. Yeah, 1:45:03.360 --> 1:45:09.760 they're not like yeah, yeah, that's getting the name of 1:45:09.840 --> 1:45:14.200 their eldest daughter and lest they lose their way home 1:45:14.800 --> 1:45:18.360 going on violent rampages. They're asking where their husband, who 1:45:18.400 --> 1:45:21.360 died twenty three years ago is when they wake up 1:45:21.400 --> 1:45:24.960 in the middle of the night. Anyway, senile cow they 1:45:24.960 --> 1:45:26.880 have to go to. They go and live on a 1:45:26.880 --> 1:45:28.639 farm when they got all the cats. Why you haven't 1:45:28.640 --> 1:45:31.400 seen him, Robert, I sure do. Like that young Ronald 1:45:31.439 --> 1:45:36.920 Reagan that my cowboys. Yeah, yeah, they they get. They get. Oh, 1:45:37.040 --> 1:45:39.200 they forget things. They vote for Donald Trump, they do 1:45:39.240 --> 1:45:41.880 a fascism. That's what happens to cows is the only 1:45:41.920 --> 1:45:44.560 ways cows can die. Otherwise they live very happy and 1:45:44.600 --> 1:45:48.120 fulfilled lives in the countryside. So why why do we 1:45:48.160 --> 1:45:49.920 have this PRODUCTI Valley bes right, Why is there a 1:45:50.040 --> 1:45:53.920 mad cow that murdered a young man who was it 1:45:54.040 --> 1:45:57.519 was out late that with a young woman. No one, 1:45:57.720 --> 1:45:59.439 No one knows who this young man is, right, I 1:45:59.479 --> 1:46:02.360 did to trauma best to find reports of any murders 1:46:02.400 --> 1:46:05.680 in Proctor Valley. And of course it won't surprise you 1:46:05.720 --> 1:46:07.920 to learn that we have in fact discovered dead bodies 1:46:07.960 --> 1:46:10.280 in Proctor Valley, because unfortunately, Proptic Valley is just a 1:46:10.280 --> 1:46:14.720 few miles from the border, and and I've spent quite 1:46:14.760 --> 1:46:16.680 a lot of time out in that area, and that unfortunately, 1:46:16.720 --> 1:46:19.000 the people that we are finding then in Proctor Valley 1:46:19.000 --> 1:46:22.080 haven't been killed by deranged cow or a bipedal beast, 1:46:22.160 --> 1:46:26.400 but in fact by the elements rights people trying to 1:46:26.400 --> 1:46:28.360 cross the border and find a better life for themselves 1:46:28.400 --> 1:46:31.000 and not making it as far as the dirt road 1:46:31.000 --> 1:46:32.800 which leads to a small town, which leads to a 1:46:32.800 --> 1:46:34.479 big road, which leads to a big town that is 1:46:35.560 --> 1:46:40.479 close to there. And so what the Proctor Valley Beast 1:46:40.560 --> 1:46:43.760 is a myth that serves to tell kids to not 1:46:43.880 --> 1:46:46.120 drive down dirt roads late at night on their own right. 1:46:46.200 --> 1:46:50.840 It's two kids, fun your parents. Yeah, absolutely, fucking send it. 1:46:51.280 --> 1:46:55.240 Your mediata can handle it. Get off the road, do 1:46:55.360 --> 1:46:58.720 some drifting. What's the worst that could happen? Maybe if 1:46:58.760 --> 1:47:01.080 you're out there, take a gallon of water. Uh, And 1:47:01.840 --> 1:47:04.640 maybe maybe I'm not going to say that because there 1:47:04.720 --> 1:47:07.880 might be a crime. Yeah, we can cut that. I 1:47:07.920 --> 1:47:10.200 was gonna say, a handgun with a single bullet in 1:47:10.200 --> 1:47:13.880 case you get stuck off road, a silver bullet and yeah, 1:47:13.920 --> 1:47:16.320 and a nail to hit it with. So the last, 1:47:16.560 --> 1:47:18.160 the last curse I want to get to you is 1:47:18.200 --> 1:47:21.880 the curse of Body State Historic Park. Do you know, Joe, 1:47:21.840 --> 1:47:24.559 what at is? Robert? No, When you said Body, I 1:47:24.600 --> 1:47:27.800 thought immediately about the movie Point Break. Okay, I haven't 1:47:27.800 --> 1:47:33.439 seen it. Oh well that's okay, that Garrison you've seen it. No, 1:47:34.479 --> 1:47:37.519 point I'm sorry, I forgot this is the Point Break. 1:47:37.640 --> 1:47:41.439 This is an audio medium. Yeah, I can't shake my head. No, No, 1:47:41.520 --> 1:47:43.519 I'm not seen Point Break. You haven't seen Point Break? 1:47:43.840 --> 1:47:48.400 Oh my god, Oh my god. I watched the filmmaker's previous, 1:47:48.439 --> 1:47:52.680 far superior film that will not be named. This is 1:47:53.160 --> 1:47:56.439 that like one person will get who Well, we're gonna 1:47:56.479 --> 1:47:58.519 have to watch Point Break. But there's a guy named 1:47:58.560 --> 1:48:00.679 Body on it and he is kind of a crypted 1:48:01.040 --> 1:48:04.240 interesting so there Body has a bit of a problem, right, 1:48:04.280 --> 1:48:08.960 Body is an abandon all those those banks. Anyway, this 1:48:09.040 --> 1:48:12.160 story does involve some robbing, Oh good, Yeah, but have 1:48:12.200 --> 1:48:15.200 a bit of theft on the podcast So what happened 1:48:15.200 --> 1:48:18.680 in Body is Body's got a problem, right. Body has 1:48:18.680 --> 1:48:22.960 a problem specifically with mail, because almost every week when 1:48:22.960 --> 1:48:27.080 the rangers from Body travel into town to get the mail, 1:48:27.960 --> 1:48:30.040 they have to collect half a dozen or so little 1:48:30.040 --> 1:48:33.719 packages containing little things like rocks, pizzas of wood, fragments 1:48:33.720 --> 1:48:36.439 of pottery, or coins. And all of those little packages 1:48:36.479 --> 1:48:38.800 have letters attached to them. And I'm going to read 1:48:38.840 --> 1:48:43.160 from some of those letters. Please find enclosed one weather 1:48:43.200 --> 1:48:46.120 beat an old shoe. The shoe was removed from Body 1:48:46.200 --> 1:48:50.200 during the months of August. My trail of misfortune is 1:48:50.240 --> 1:48:54.040 so long and depressing it can't be listed here. Another one. 1:48:54.200 --> 1:48:56.720 You can have these god forsaken rocks back. I've never 1:48:56.760 --> 1:48:59.479 had so much rotten luck in my life. Please forgive 1:48:59.479 --> 1:49:03.720 me for ever testing the curse of Body. Okay, so 1:49:04.240 --> 1:49:07.000 what we got here, what we got here is a curse, right, 1:49:07.479 --> 1:49:10.599 just a good old fashioned If you steal something from 1:49:10.600 --> 1:49:14.720 the town, the town will come back and hurt you. Right. Yeah, 1:49:14.800 --> 1:49:18.360 And so Body popped up in the late nineteenth century 1:49:18.400 --> 1:49:22.040 gold rush rights in between Mono Lake a Lake Tahoe. 1:49:23.040 --> 1:49:27.080 They it's named after a gold prospector. There was some 1:49:27.160 --> 1:49:30.040 gold found there in fact, at its height, Body hosted 1:49:30.080 --> 1:49:33.880 around ten thousand people, right, And for those ten thousand people, 1:49:33.960 --> 1:49:37.080 there were sixty saloons, which is a pretty good ratio. 1:49:37.600 --> 1:49:40.760 There's multiple documented gunfights on the main street and Body 1:49:40.760 --> 1:49:44.439 it seems like the stereotypical wild West town that after 1:49:44.479 --> 1:49:46.080 the gold rushers are over, it wasn't such a great 1:49:46.080 --> 1:49:49.920 place to live, so people abandoned it. And it's now 1:49:50.200 --> 1:49:53.600 managed by the California Park Service, right, And the California 1:49:53.640 --> 1:49:57.360 Park Service curates this ghost town in arrested decay so 1:49:57.400 --> 1:49:59.479 that people can come and see this little slice of history. 1:50:00.200 --> 1:50:02.560 And there's a lot we can learn from these, like 1:50:03.040 --> 1:50:05.240 these places that have been abandoned, right, we can learn 1:50:05.280 --> 1:50:08.080 a lot about the history of everyday life, like what 1:50:08.240 --> 1:50:10.280 things do people have in their kitchen? Why with this 1:50:10.400 --> 1:50:13.400 next to that? Why is there a knife here? Why 1:50:13.479 --> 1:50:16.200 is why the beer bottles kept here? There's a lot 1:50:16.240 --> 1:50:18.400 that historians can learn over time that they might not 1:50:18.439 --> 1:50:21.040 find initially. So it's important to keep these things in 1:50:22.040 --> 1:50:25.600 really pristine condition. Right. The problem that they had was 1:50:25.640 --> 1:50:29.439 once they opened the park, you could just walk around town. Right, 1:50:29.520 --> 1:50:31.880 It's not like a museum. There aren't a little ropes 1:50:32.040 --> 1:50:35.880 that there aren't plexiglass diviolence keeping you away from stuff, 1:50:35.920 --> 1:50:37.840 and people think that as an invitation to steal ship, 1:50:38.760 --> 1:50:45.200 and steal ship they did so. The park's ranger, who 1:50:45.200 --> 1:50:48.400 I cannot find the name of anywhere, but at some 1:50:48.520 --> 1:50:51.920 point a park ranger giving the walking tours around Body, 1:50:52.160 --> 1:50:56.759 started telling people about this legendary curse. And this curse, 1:50:57.479 --> 1:50:59.759 he said, made it so that anyone who took anything 1:50:59.800 --> 1:51:03.000 from Body would be pursued by bad luck for the 1:51:03.040 --> 1:51:05.040 rest of their life. Didn't really think anything of which, 1:51:05.040 --> 1:51:08.519 didn't want people to steal ship, right, And as a result, 1:51:09.200 --> 1:51:12.559 hundreds of people who had stolen things from Body started 1:51:12.640 --> 1:51:16.960 returning them in the mail. Right. They're blaming everything from cellulitis, cancer, 1:51:17.160 --> 1:51:20.680 failed relationships, so on the thing that they stole from body. 1:51:21.040 --> 1:51:24.559 That this would just be funny if it wasn't for 1:51:24.600 --> 1:51:26.760 the fact that every single one of these items has 1:51:26.800 --> 1:51:32.000 been stolen from a protected site. Right. The Park Service 1:51:32.000 --> 1:51:35.400 has now set itself up with this huge administrative burden, 1:51:35.920 --> 1:51:39.400 which is reporting a theft for every single shoe or 1:51:39.479 --> 1:51:43.200 piece of glass or button that's stolen from body. So 1:51:43.560 --> 1:51:45.960 it's taking up a huge in order amount of their time, 1:51:46.520 --> 1:51:49.680 and they no longer will speak. I've tried to reach out. 1:51:49.720 --> 1:51:51.519 I didn't get a response. I did. I did drop 1:51:51.520 --> 1:51:54.160 them a Facebook message on their page, trying to trying 1:51:54.160 --> 1:51:56.360 to talk to someone about this. But they no longer 1:51:56.439 --> 1:51:59.599 talk about the curse because it's created such a burden 1:51:59.640 --> 1:52:04.559 for them, filing police reports to all these buttons. This 1:52:04.640 --> 1:52:07.519 is the actual curse that they did themselves, Like this 1:52:07.560 --> 1:52:10.560 is this is how most curses actually work. That you 1:52:10.760 --> 1:52:14.840 just actually like the effect is what you turned the 1:52:14.920 --> 1:52:17.960 thing into and now you're forced to all the police 1:52:17.960 --> 1:52:20.920 reports and that's the actual effect of the curse. Yeah, 1:52:21.160 --> 1:52:22.720 I think it's wonderful. I think it's great that they 1:52:22.760 --> 1:52:26.240 made this this rod for their own bag. You know, 1:52:26.640 --> 1:52:30.000 you know what won't curse you with cancer or sell ulitis? Garrison, 1:52:30.640 --> 1:52:35.320 I cannot. I there's there's a lot of weird stuff 1:52:35.320 --> 1:52:38.519 that ever excellent mobile will give you cancer. So yeah, 1:52:38.680 --> 1:52:41.799 well the gold that we're about to plug, that's totally 1:52:41.880 --> 1:52:44.400 totally safe. You can huff that gold, you can melt 1:52:44.439 --> 1:52:46.559 it down, dip your hand in, get a gold plate 1:52:46.560 --> 1:52:51.040 at hand, totally fine, lick it, lick it, pop it. 1:52:52.120 --> 1:52:56.720 You know that's that to Garrison. Sure, shame was incredibly 1:52:56.760 --> 1:53:00.920 popular when I was a kid, it was like everywhere. Alright, 1:53:00.920 --> 1:53:03.960 we're back and having all received our little bags of 1:53:04.000 --> 1:53:07.360 gold for that plug we did. Yep, I have mine 1:53:07.439 --> 1:53:09.600 right here. I like to keep it with me in 1:53:09.640 --> 1:53:13.400 case the ship hits the fan. I'm buried. I've buried 1:53:13.439 --> 1:53:17.080 mine in the middle of the Organ desert. Smart, I've 1:53:17.080 --> 1:53:18.680 buried a couple of things in the middle of the 1:53:18.720 --> 1:53:23.519 Oregon desert, none of them gold. Well, that was a 1:53:23.600 --> 1:53:28.120 big sense on your definition of gold. Yeah, Bigfoot's arm pit, 1:53:28.200 --> 1:53:30.800 that's what you buried out in your definition of that 1:53:30.840 --> 1:53:35.320 guy started a barbershop in whatever. Continue Okay, yeah, yeah, 1:53:35.320 --> 1:53:38.000 we don't need to talk about that on the podcast. 1:53:36.920 --> 1:53:41.200 Thanks do. We don't want any more Robert's felonies on 1:53:41.200 --> 1:53:44.719 on Maine, since only a felony if the police find 1:53:44.760 --> 1:53:47.760 the body. M that's true, But maybe you could put 1:53:47.800 --> 1:53:49.479 put some sh it out there about a curse related 1:53:49.520 --> 1:53:54.759 to the body. Yeah, sure, I give it some Maine 1:53:54.640 --> 1:53:57.640 ya and then stuff it. So why why do we 1:53:57.720 --> 1:54:02.400 have curses encrypted? Obviously partly because it's just sucking fun, 1:54:03.760 --> 1:54:08.240 and partly because some of our beliefs, right like if 1:54:08.240 --> 1:54:09.920 we if we look at Dirk him or what dirkhim 1:54:09.920 --> 1:54:12.680 thought religion worth religion is kind of an outgrowth of 1:54:12.720 --> 1:54:15.680 society that unites people based on a moral code. Right, 1:54:15.800 --> 1:54:21.400 and functionalists more broadly in sociology, believe that these beliefs 1:54:21.920 --> 1:54:24.240 serve and function in society. And I think a lot 1:54:24.280 --> 1:54:28.439 of these things help us explain things that we can't 1:54:28.479 --> 1:54:34.160 otherwise explain, or give a more palatable explanation for things 1:54:34.160 --> 1:54:38.800 that we don't care to explain, right, or things and 1:54:38.800 --> 1:54:41.960 and like in nearly all of these cases, there are 1:54:42.160 --> 1:54:45.320 things that rip children away from their mothers. There's another 1:54:45.440 --> 1:54:49.160 Mexican like shape shifting, which that ripped children away from 1:54:49.160 --> 1:54:52.960 their mothers. Right. Unfortunately, there are things that ripped children 1:54:52.960 --> 1:54:56.520 away from their mothers, and your taxpayer dollars pay for them. Right, 1:54:56.640 --> 1:54:59.800 But it it works a little better to explain things 1:55:00.400 --> 1:55:03.080 that we don't that don't fit with our other systems 1:55:03.080 --> 1:55:07.000 of belief through Like if if we fundamentally believe right 1:55:07.040 --> 1:55:09.160 that that I know that that the world is good 1:55:09.160 --> 1:55:12.040 in capitalism is wonderful, and that gradually things will trickle 1:55:12.080 --> 1:55:14.160 down so that everyone gets richer of the rich get 1:55:14.240 --> 1:55:17.560 richer first, it can become very hard to explain the 1:55:17.600 --> 1:55:20.120 state of the world unless you're a member of the 1:55:20.160 --> 1:55:23.040 Conservative and Union As Party of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, 1:55:23.040 --> 1:55:27.760 of course, and so instead we create these external things, right, 1:55:28.360 --> 1:55:31.320 these things that go bump in the night, So sometimes 1:55:31.360 --> 1:55:34.880 they can be a proxy for external forces, right. The 1:55:34.960 --> 1:55:38.400 tuper Cabra in a way kind of explains as we 1:55:38.480 --> 1:55:40.800 get closer to nature and nature pushes back on us 1:55:40.800 --> 1:55:44.440 a little bit, that why that happens, right, rather than 1:55:44.440 --> 1:55:46.720 just saying, oh, funk, we've given all these cooties Maine. 1:55:46.800 --> 1:55:48.440 How that? How on earth are we in a state 1:55:48.440 --> 1:55:52.480 where there's a blue dog walking around the The tuper 1:55:52.480 --> 1:55:54.560 Caabure also serves as a way to kind of personify 1:55:54.680 --> 1:55:58.040 for people in Puerto Rico, either consciously or unconsciously, that 1:55:58.200 --> 1:56:00.560 the terrible impact of the United States. It's only lives 1:56:00.600 --> 1:56:03.480 on there right, which it's not very hard to see, 1:56:04.040 --> 1:56:07.520 and even the Proctor Valley beast right that, so stay 1:56:07.520 --> 1:56:09.920 away from this dark road near the border late at night. 1:56:10.720 --> 1:56:14.600 There were reasons to stay away from there, but unfortunately 1:56:14.600 --> 1:56:16.400 there are there are also reasons to go there and 1:56:16.840 --> 1:56:19.800 try and help people who are genuinely suffering, and lots 1:56:19.840 --> 1:56:22.040 of people I know going go and leave water out 1:56:22.040 --> 1:56:27.120 there So these curses they kind of like credit scores, right, 1:56:27.120 --> 1:56:29.920 they're not real, but they can sometimes ruin your life. Um, 1:56:31.000 --> 1:56:34.400 and so sometimes it's just easier to pretend that it's 1:56:34.440 --> 1:56:37.280 magic doing that rather than this overarching global system which 1:56:37.320 --> 1:56:41.280 is not very nice. And that's kind of where I 1:56:41.280 --> 1:56:44.560 want to finish up. I guess is this. These are 1:56:44.600 --> 1:56:46.840 ways to explain things that we can't always explain, and 1:56:46.840 --> 1:56:49.480 that's that's sometimes okay because sometimes it can be hard 1:56:49.520 --> 1:56:53.560 to confront these things. You've got anything else you want 1:56:53.560 --> 1:56:58.200 to say about cryptids, Robert, I don't know. Um. I 1:56:58.240 --> 1:57:02.120 think if you're in an industry that's adjacent to illegal 1:57:02.160 --> 1:57:05.120 drugs and you murder someone in the woods, it's probably 1:57:05.120 --> 1:57:07.840 a good idea to blame it on Bigfoot. So that 1:57:07.880 --> 1:57:10.280 would be my advice for our listeners is to blame 1:57:10.320 --> 1:57:13.480 your crimes on bigfoot. M hm, I don't know. Do 1:57:13.520 --> 1:57:16.160 you guys believe in Bigfoot? Let's let's end by talking 1:57:16.200 --> 1:57:20.959 about that, like like actually like believe in the physical 1:57:21.640 --> 1:57:26.600 ape like thing that's been dustly undiscovered that rooms in 1:57:27.800 --> 1:57:31.920 say ape like Garrison primate. I think doesn't necessarily mean 1:57:31.960 --> 1:57:37.120 ape like sure primate probably, and I do I do 1:57:37.280 --> 1:57:40.960 do not do not think that there's a physical one exists. Now. 1:57:41.320 --> 1:57:45.680 I think, like we've mentioned before, like the words you know, 1:57:45.680 --> 1:57:47.400 you can say like a curse isn't really but it 1:57:47.440 --> 1:57:49.880 can still have effects based on how we talk about 1:57:49.920 --> 1:57:52.840 it and how like we can kind of make it 1:57:52.920 --> 1:57:54.920 real by our own actions. And the same thing like 1:57:55.480 --> 1:57:58.600 I don't think Bigfoot of the primate exists, but as 1:57:58.640 --> 1:58:01.040 a cultural symbol that has him packet base. It is 1:58:01.160 --> 1:58:04.440 real in some way. Um, but it's not like not 1:58:04.480 --> 1:58:09.600 like except for I would say it is real in 1:58:09.640 --> 1:58:13.240 a physical way. Um. And uh, have you seen a 1:58:13.240 --> 1:58:15.080 big foot robber? Are you gonna just it's this way 1:58:15.120 --> 1:58:17.800 you drop in your big foot? I actually, I actually have. 1:58:18.320 --> 1:58:20.480 I've seen a couple. I've seen a couple of large 1:58:20.560 --> 1:58:24.200 animals out in the woods. You've seen weird in the woods. 1:58:24.520 --> 1:58:27.360 I don't think I'm not comfortable calling it a bigfoot, 1:58:27.640 --> 1:58:32.880 but I am weird weird things in the woods certainly. Certainly. Yeah, 1:58:32.920 --> 1:58:34.680 I've seen a lot of weird things in the woods 1:58:34.800 --> 1:58:38.680 and all of them were bigfoot, as far as has 1:58:38.720 --> 1:58:42.320 anyone has ever been able to convince me. Um. And 1:58:42.400 --> 1:58:46.520 you know, when you get right down to it, isn't 1:58:46.560 --> 1:58:50.640 that what Christmas is all about? Yes, half happy Halloween 1:58:50.680 --> 1:59:14.280 and happy Halloween everybody. Yeah. Oh oh no, there's that 1:59:14.400 --> 1:59:19.800 monster coming to kill me with his fentinel knife. Ah, 1:59:19.800 --> 1:59:25.440 it got me, what a bummer. Welcome to Welcome to 1:59:25.480 --> 1:59:27.920 Spooky Week when we're talking about all of the scariest 1:59:27.960 --> 1:59:32.280 things a podcast with foreshadowing, that is foreshadowing. That's right, 1:59:33.040 --> 1:59:36.800 twent Deputy Garrison Davis just fentanel by being near it 1:59:36.880 --> 1:59:41.600 on the seventeen knock as. Yep, it was very scary, 1:59:42.320 --> 1:59:48.920 very very very spooky. Yeah. Ah, it's good. It's good too. 1:59:48.920 --> 1:59:50.560 It's good to be It's good to be back with 1:59:50.600 --> 1:59:55.680 Spooky Week. All right, So this episode, I believe Chris 1:59:55.760 --> 1:59:59.480 has something very special prepared for us. Yes, so this 1:59:59.600 --> 2:00:01.440 is just an we are talking about one of the 2:00:01.840 --> 2:00:05.640 most immediately recognizable and enduring symbols of Halloween and one 2:00:05.680 --> 2:00:07.240 of the things that I've had to spend the most 2:00:07.280 --> 2:00:09.680 time cropping out of party invitations when I was sending 2:00:09.680 --> 2:00:15.360 them to kids. Oh no, we're talking talking other other 2:00:15.560 --> 2:00:19.640 iconic Yeah, well this is the one, like like specifically, 2:00:19.680 --> 2:00:21.120 I just spent a lot of time cropping this out 2:00:21.160 --> 2:00:24.720 of I fucking like party invitations people, because if like 2:00:25.080 --> 2:00:27.960 you're you're in you're in your like fucking shitty Christian suburb. 2:00:28.240 --> 2:00:30.320 And if you send a kid home with an invitation 2:00:30.360 --> 2:00:32.400 that has a that has a black cat on it, uh, 2:00:32.480 --> 2:00:34.400 their parents will pull them out of public school because 2:00:34.400 --> 2:00:38.320 of the like the rising threat of Satanism. Better to 2:00:38.360 --> 2:00:40.840 stick to the tried and true, you know, like put 2:00:40.840 --> 2:00:43.040 the Uni bomber on it or something. Yeah, you got 2:00:43.080 --> 2:00:47.000 you gotta lots of nice stars. Put some crosses on 2:00:47.040 --> 2:00:51.920 it instead, but like a cornucopia mixture. It's like called 2:00:51.920 --> 2:00:54.560 like a harvest festival or some bullshit. Yeah, oh yeah, 2:00:54.640 --> 2:00:58.000 harvest festival. Yeah, come to my fucking Pentagram party or 2:00:58.040 --> 2:01:01.960 your party sack. So yeah, we're we're talking about the 2:01:01.960 --> 2:01:05.400 black cat um And ironically, the black cats association with 2:01:05.400 --> 2:01:08.000 witchcraft is actually this is the Catholic Church's fault as 2:01:08.000 --> 2:01:13.920 our many only bad thing they've ever done. They even 2:01:13.960 --> 2:01:19.400 created Protestantism. It's a it's a real issue, so true. 2:01:20.040 --> 2:01:24.440 So okay, So Pope Pope Gregory the Night make cats 2:01:24.440 --> 2:01:27.480 eternally feast on his soul. It took took office of 2:01:27.680 --> 2:01:31.480 the Pope in twelve and six years later in it's 2:01:31.520 --> 2:01:34.360 in in twelve thirty three he issues his first papal bull. 2:01:35.040 --> 2:01:37.400 Just this is This bull is called vox in Rama 2:01:37.520 --> 2:01:40.240 and Fox and Rama is essentially like it's a giant 2:01:40.240 --> 2:01:43.840 anti Witchcraft bull that is designed to like what do 2:01:43.840 --> 2:01:47.080 you mean by bull like people? People? Bulls are these 2:01:47.160 --> 2:01:50.760 like orders basically that are like declared by the pope 2:01:50.800 --> 2:01:53.200 and they turn into sort of like they have this 2:01:53.240 --> 2:01:56.000 sort of legal status that there there they determined what 2:01:56.080 --> 2:01:58.080 sort of church doctor in church positions, because it's it's 2:01:58.080 --> 2:02:01.080 basically like it's like it's like the it's like an 2:02:01.080 --> 2:02:03.400 executive order for the Pope. Okay, all right, and they 2:02:03.400 --> 2:02:05.480 can just do this and so they do this a lot, 2:02:05.640 --> 2:02:07.600 and yeah, this this is the sort of anti Riitchcraft 2:02:07.600 --> 2:02:09.880 one because he's trying to rally support for like stamping 2:02:09.880 --> 2:02:13.680 out a bunch of heretics in Germany for the crime 2:02:13.760 --> 2:02:16.120 of like not believing in Catholic doctrine and giving all 2:02:16.160 --> 2:02:19.840 their money to the pope. So this bull like directly 2:02:19.920 --> 2:02:23.800 links cats to Satanic rituals. There's this whole thing about 2:02:23.800 --> 2:02:31.160 like half cat like half people. We are. This is 2:02:31.240 --> 2:02:36.800 what we are. Back to iconic Transgirl Halloween imagery we circled. 2:02:37.320 --> 2:02:39.600 There are no new moral panics. This is a fucking 2:02:39.600 --> 2:02:43.240 furry panic and like twelve thirty three, it's it's amazing, 2:02:43.520 --> 2:02:48.440 it's cat girls kill God. Yeah. Unfortunately, the product of 2:02:48.480 --> 2:02:52.000 this is that you know, like this, this, this, this, 2:02:52.080 --> 2:02:54.240 this space from here's it's off to the races, right, 2:02:54.240 --> 2:02:56.680 black hats have become associated with witchcraft and then sort 2:02:56.680 --> 2:02:58.200 of in general with bad luck, and you get this 2:02:58.200 --> 2:03:00.920 whole sort of like you know, crossing a black cat 2:03:01.160 --> 2:03:03.440 like bringing bad look and this is really sort of 2:03:03.480 --> 2:03:08.480 devastating real world effect on cats. Like there are mm 2:03:08.600 --> 2:03:11.360 hmm yeah, like I mean like like throughout your like 2:03:11.440 --> 2:03:14.240 from this point on, like periodically they're just mass killings 2:03:14.240 --> 2:03:17.520 of cats in Europe because like these people are fucking 2:03:17.560 --> 2:03:21.280 barbarians and savages who like should never have been allowed 2:03:21.320 --> 2:03:24.400 to like leave their stone huts. Um. When I was 2:03:24.440 --> 2:03:28.080 getting a while ago, when I was getting some childhood cats, 2:03:28.120 --> 2:03:30.960 we were talking to the cat Agency and we learned 2:03:30.960 --> 2:03:34.960 that they don't allow people to adopt to black cats 2:03:35.040 --> 2:03:40.200 during October because people either buy them as props and 2:03:40.200 --> 2:03:42.040 then like to get rid of them or just like 2:03:42.080 --> 2:03:46.320 abuse them. Um, it's it sucks. It's like an actual problem, 2:03:47.040 --> 2:03:51.280 and are we going to get to the Great Cat Massacre? No? 2:03:51.520 --> 2:03:55.520 What is the Great Cat Massacre? The sounds like that 2:03:55.560 --> 2:03:58.480 sounds like a sequel to that to that mouse Sherlock 2:03:58.520 --> 2:04:06.520 Holmes movie that Disney made. It's extremely dark version. Yeah. 2:04:06.600 --> 2:04:09.160 The Great Cat Maskers a book by Robert Danson. It's 2:04:09.200 --> 2:04:11.960 like a it's a very click. If you're doing a 2:04:12.000 --> 2:04:14.880 history graduate degree and you're reading like these sort of 2:04:14.960 --> 2:04:18.920 histories of everyday life or like histories of popular laughter, 2:04:19.120 --> 2:04:22.640 you will read The Great Cat Massacre and he details 2:04:22.680 --> 2:04:26.520 how like basically in France, I can't remember when, but 2:04:27.000 --> 2:04:31.160 these printers apprentices were like the apprentices lived with the 2:04:31.160 --> 2:04:33.160 printer right, and the prince's wife also had a bunch 2:04:33.160 --> 2:04:35.680 of cats, which he cared for much better than the apprentices. 2:04:36.520 --> 2:04:41.720 So they got mad and started doing cat murders. They 2:04:41.760 --> 2:04:45.000 put the cats on trial and convicted them of witchcraft. 2:04:45.120 --> 2:04:51.760 Wait wait, this was like a judicial murder. Yes, yeah, 2:04:51.840 --> 2:04:54.880 they sent it the cats to death by I think 2:04:54.920 --> 2:04:58.040 they hung them or something. Oh my god, did the 2:04:58.160 --> 2:05:02.720 cats have like a defense attorney? Like? What a witch? Well, 2:05:02.760 --> 2:05:04.320 you're sup, you're supposed to have an advocate at a 2:05:04.320 --> 2:05:07.800 witch cat trial so one would hope, but unfortunately. My 2:05:07.880 --> 2:05:10.280 guest though, is if you're probably gonna get another cat, 2:05:10.680 --> 2:05:13.040 which is like not a great defense attorney. No, they 2:05:13.080 --> 2:05:15.520 don't get a single fuck. I don't know they could. 2:05:15.760 --> 2:05:17.880 They could really funk up your face or something if 2:05:17.880 --> 2:05:21.360 they just you know, when close out. I don't know 2:05:21.400 --> 2:05:23.240 if the cats had a defense turned. It's an excellent 2:05:23.320 --> 2:05:26.080 question if someone's read it more recently than me. This 2:05:26.360 --> 2:05:29.560 is reminding me of that that great poster someone took 2:05:29.600 --> 2:05:32.120 from my vets office that was like fighting cats. It's like, 2:05:32.200 --> 2:05:38.360 don't fight fair or use drugs one. Yeah, yes, but 2:05:38.440 --> 2:05:40.520 you know, okay, my piece of advice to you is 2:05:40.560 --> 2:05:43.080 don't fight fair. Yeah during these drokes. Yeah, it's great, 2:05:43.320 --> 2:05:46.400 it's it's good. It's it's good general advice. And put 2:05:46.440 --> 2:05:53.040 him in your Halloween sweets. Yeah yeah, foreshadowing. Yeah. So, 2:05:53.280 --> 2:05:56.240 according to a study from the Journal Animals, black cats 2:05:56.280 --> 2:05:58.760 have the highest rate of usan eustn Asia and shelters 2:05:58.760 --> 2:06:00.600 and have lower rates of adoption, Like, have the lowest 2:06:00.680 --> 2:06:02.400 rate of adoption among all our colors, which is like 2:06:02.440 --> 2:06:06.480 extremely fucked up. And it's also like the number of 2:06:06.520 --> 2:06:09.720 cats that we euthanize every year is just so bleak. 2:06:10.680 --> 2:06:15.840 It's very sad. Yeah, so that funk the Catholic Church. 2:06:16.040 --> 2:06:21.320 This is their fault somehow, However, Comma for millions of 2:06:21.360 --> 2:06:24.000 people across space and time, the black cat has met 2:06:24.040 --> 2:06:27.760 something else entirely. This black cat, with its fur raised 2:06:27.760 --> 2:06:29.720 and back arched, is the bringer of the class war, 2:06:29.840 --> 2:06:33.000 the herald of the new world, and its name is sabotage. 2:06:35.160 --> 2:06:40.440 And okay, song about it. Yeah, and before, before before 2:06:40.480 --> 2:06:42.600 we get into how the Sabo tabby or the Sabo 2:06:42.680 --> 2:06:44.800 kitty became associated with sabotage, we have to talk about 2:06:44.800 --> 2:06:47.280 what sabotage actually is. And the reason we have to 2:06:47.360 --> 2:06:50.720 do this is because sabotage like does not mean the 2:06:50.720 --> 2:06:53.120 same thing now as it did when the term was coined. 2:06:53.840 --> 2:06:55.960 So if you look at sort of the modern definition 2:06:56.120 --> 2:06:59.320 of sabotage, it's it's almost entirely focused about the physical 2:06:59.360 --> 2:07:02.320 destructure of pretty like here's here's Mary Webster's definition. For example, 2:07:02.720 --> 2:07:06.000 destruction of employer's property such as tools or materials, or 2:07:06.000 --> 2:07:10.120 the hindering of manufacturing by discontented workers. To destruction or 2:07:10.160 --> 2:07:12.920 obstructive action carried on by a civilian or enemy agent 2:07:12.960 --> 2:07:17.200 to hinder and nation's war efforts. And okay, so part 2:07:17.320 --> 2:07:19.280 part of the reason why sabog why everyone thinks about 2:07:19.320 --> 2:07:21.400 sabotage is sort of like a physical act of destruction, 2:07:21.640 --> 2:07:24.360 has to do with the sort of folk etymology of 2:07:24.880 --> 2:07:26.680 you know where the word sabotage came from, which is 2:07:26.680 --> 2:07:29.840 supposedly dates back to these like early French workers throwing 2:07:29.880 --> 2:07:33.480 these wooden shoes called sabots it's like machines to break them. 2:07:33.520 --> 2:07:37.520 And the problem is that this sort of just isn't true. Um, 2:07:37.560 --> 2:07:41.240 like the there there's no direct evidence that anyone sabotaged 2:07:41.400 --> 2:07:43.480 machines by throwing your shoes into them, which seems like 2:07:43.480 --> 2:07:45.800 a kind of a kind of inefficient way to grab 2:07:45.840 --> 2:07:48.080 a stick, right like you you need your shoes to 2:07:48.120 --> 2:07:53.200 walk on. And the other thing is that people who 2:07:53.240 --> 2:07:56.080 put cats on trial, they weren't always thinking in straight lines. 2:07:56.720 --> 2:07:58.919 That's true that well, at least this is the eighteen hundreds, 2:07:59.040 --> 2:08:02.680 so who hopefully we're slightly past the cat trials. But 2:08:03.160 --> 2:08:06.520 what's interesting about this is do you ever think about this, Okay, Like, 2:08:06.600 --> 2:08:09.560 sabotage is a French word, right that the French shoot 2:08:09.600 --> 2:08:12.000 the word for the shoe is sabot like it doesn't 2:08:12.200 --> 2:08:15.720 start up until like the late eighteen hundreds. It literally 2:08:15.720 --> 2:08:18.000 just means someone who like it means to make a 2:08:18.040 --> 2:08:23.680 wooden shoe, Okay, but it turns out it's actually it's 2:08:23.680 --> 2:08:26.720 actual orision is more interesting. This um. The term sabotage, 2:08:26.960 --> 2:08:30.240 as you know, like the sort of like worker action, 2:08:30.320 --> 2:08:34.440 was invented by the French anarchist of Meal Pigot. I 2:08:34.440 --> 2:08:36.680 don't it's po u g. I don't know how to produce. 2:08:36.720 --> 2:08:43.440 That doesn't matter, pochet I, I don't know, sure, okay, okay, 2:08:43.480 --> 2:08:46.960 I slightly I feel slightly bad because he's one of 2:08:46.960 --> 2:08:53.040 the few good frenchmen him and sent him and Fuco 2:08:53.160 --> 2:08:59.760 the only philology. So Pago is like he's just like 2:08:59.920 --> 2:09:04.080 the up. This guy is extremely French. Yeah, but he's 2:09:04.080 --> 2:09:06.480 also he is he is in the he's in the 2:09:06.520 --> 2:09:08.720 period of French cool, which is to say he is 2:09:09.440 --> 2:09:12.120 um he he he is an he's an anarchist, he 2:09:12.200 --> 2:09:15.200 is a cynicalist. He is doing all of the ship 2:09:15.880 --> 2:09:20.280 um and he like he invents. The term sabotage is 2:09:20.320 --> 2:09:22.520 part of this report to the c G T. S 2:09:23.200 --> 2:09:27.560 I eight seventy nine conference in some cities name I 2:09:27.560 --> 2:09:29.680 can't remember, so the c g T S is a 2:09:29.720 --> 2:09:31.560 really weird unions. It means c g T means like 2:09:31.680 --> 2:09:35.760 the General Confederation of Labor of Workers basically. Um. Actually, 2:09:35.800 --> 2:09:39.040 it's really funny because because because of how similar like French, 2:09:39.120 --> 2:09:43.440 Spanish and Portuguese are, there were like sixteen thousand unions 2:09:43.480 --> 2:09:46.360 across like twelve countries that are named the CGT. It's 2:09:46.400 --> 2:09:48.640 it's it's it's they're all either the CGT or the 2:09:48.720 --> 2:09:55.360 u g C because they're all just like confeder something. Yeah, 2:09:55.560 --> 2:09:57.560 so the French c GT is like a very very 2:09:57.640 --> 2:09:59.880 weird union. They're they're they're like they're the only union 2:09:59.880 --> 2:10:01.720 of ever seen that has at various points been an 2:10:01.760 --> 2:10:03.840 anarchist union, of communist union, a liberal union, and a 2:10:03.880 --> 2:10:06.960 social democratic union. And it also like the thing they're 2:10:06.960 --> 2:10:08.800 famous for sort of now is the fact that they 2:10:08.800 --> 2:10:11.360 sat out like every revolution that's ever happened in France. 2:10:11.760 --> 2:10:14.880 Like they're they're they're probably most famous for like telling 2:10:14.920 --> 2:10:17.600 people to like basically signing a pact with the government 2:10:17.600 --> 2:10:19.080 and trying to get people like to go back to 2:10:19.120 --> 2:10:23.440 work when sixty eight was happening, and you know, and 2:10:23.440 --> 2:10:25.480 the the usially about like the c g T, the 2:10:25.480 --> 2:10:27.640 CTC is still around today. They have like seven hundred 2:10:27.680 --> 2:10:30.960 thousand members or something like. They're the second largest union 2:10:30.960 --> 2:10:35.160 in France. And I don't know, it's interesting. So they'll 2:10:35.200 --> 2:10:38.480 go on strike for like pension stuff, but they won't 2:10:38.480 --> 2:10:41.160 go on strike to like abolish the class system and 2:10:41.200 --> 2:10:42.360 sort of how I put it. But in the late 2:10:42.400 --> 2:10:44.480 eighteen hundred, early in eighteen hundreds they are a very 2:10:44.560 --> 2:10:49.560 very radical cynicalist union. And Emil Pigou, who again like 2:10:49.560 --> 2:10:56.600 like anarchist par excellence, is like their vice secretary, so 2:10:57.000 --> 2:10:59.520 to go, like invents the investorer. Sabotage is a way 2:10:59.520 --> 2:11:04.000 of trans eating basically the Scottish term that I okay, 2:11:04.400 --> 2:11:07.840 I apologize for my Scottish pronunciation. I don't I genuinely 2:11:07.880 --> 2:11:11.760 don't really have any problems with Scottish people. I think 2:11:11.800 --> 2:11:15.600 the term is go connie basically, which means go slow 2:11:16.400 --> 2:11:20.520 um shirts to go. From his pamphlet sabotage, that's um 2:11:20.680 --> 2:11:22.520 like his explanation of like what's going on here that 2:11:22.560 --> 2:11:24.720 the first part of it seem quoting a British pamphlet. 2:11:25.200 --> 2:11:30.520 That's about what Docatti is. If you want to buy 2:11:30.560 --> 2:11:33.080 a hat worth two dollars, you must pay two dollars. 2:11:34.480 --> 2:11:36.240 If you want to spend only a dollar fifty, you 2:11:36.320 --> 2:11:39.360 must be satisfied with an inferior quality. A hat is 2:11:39.360 --> 2:11:41.920 a commodity. If you want to buy a dozen of 2:11:42.560 --> 2:11:44.560 why is it a dozen of shirts? Okay, I don't know. 2:11:46.440 --> 2:11:48.920 People wrote weird in the early night entwids. If you 2:11:48.920 --> 2:11:52.000 want to buy half a dozen shirts at fifty cents each, 2:11:52.040 --> 2:11:54.640 you must pay three dollars. If you only spend two 2:11:54.680 --> 2:11:57.560 dollars and fifty cents, you can only have five shirts. Now, 2:11:57.600 --> 2:12:00.560 the boss declares that labor and ski will or nothing 2:12:00.560 --> 2:12:03.560 but commodities like hats and shirts. Very well, we answer, 2:12:03.600 --> 2:12:06.280 we'll take you at your word. If labor and skill 2:12:06.320 --> 2:12:08.640 are commodities, their owners have the right to sell them. 2:12:08.680 --> 2:12:12.400 Like the hat seller sells hats and the habitasher sells shirts. 2:12:13.000 --> 2:12:15.480 These merchants must give a certain value in exchange for 2:12:15.520 --> 2:12:18.440 an equivalent value. For lower price, you will have an 2:12:18.520 --> 2:12:21.640 article if either lower quality or smaller quantity. Give the 2:12:21.640 --> 2:12:23.800 worker of fair, fair wage, and he will furnish you 2:12:23.880 --> 2:12:26.080 with his best labor at its highest skill. On the 2:12:26.080 --> 2:12:28.160 other hand, give the work an insufficient wage, and you 2:12:28.200 --> 2:12:30.400 forfeit the right to demand the best and most of 2:12:30.440 --> 2:12:32.600 his labor anymore of when you can demand a two 2:12:32.640 --> 2:12:35.760 dollar half for one dollar. The gokani consists then and 2:12:35.840 --> 2:12:42.560 systematically applying the formula bad wages, bad labor. So yeah, 2:12:42.600 --> 2:12:45.920 but basically what this is like, it's it's gocani is like, 2:12:45.920 --> 2:12:49.000 it's it's it's a kind of strike where it's it's 2:12:49.040 --> 2:12:50.720 kind of like it's kind of like a slowdown or 2:12:50.920 --> 2:12:52.640 there's another kind of striker's name I forgetting right now 2:12:52.680 --> 2:12:55.200 where it's like you you you you like exactly follow 2:12:55.280 --> 2:12:57.920 the rules, work to rule. Yeah, yeah, that's it's it's 2:12:57.960 --> 2:12:59.760 kind of like a work to rule strike. It's basically like, okay, 2:12:59.760 --> 2:13:01.760 so you're up being paid enough, so you just intentionally 2:13:01.800 --> 2:13:07.080 work really shittily and just keep working slowly and badly 2:13:07.120 --> 2:13:10.080 until boss is paying you more. And so this has 2:13:10.120 --> 2:13:13.040 been a big thing in in Britain and to Go 2:13:13.480 --> 2:13:16.720 like sees this and he writes basically like a paper 2:13:16.920 --> 2:13:19.520 like recommending that the CGT starts using this as a tactic. 2:13:19.800 --> 2:13:22.160 But sure he's trying to find a French word for it, 2:13:22.240 --> 2:13:23.840 and he's like, I don't know how to translate this, 2:13:24.600 --> 2:13:27.600 and so what he thinks of there's this sort of like, well, okay, 2:13:27.600 --> 2:13:30.080 so here's where it gets messy, because it's like there's 2:13:30.080 --> 2:13:32.480 like a couple of versions of the story. One version 2:13:32.480 --> 2:13:34.400 of it is like work as if you're being like 2:13:34.480 --> 2:13:40.640 hit with a wooden shoe. So I wake up every 2:13:40.720 --> 2:13:44.760 morning and turn on my podcasting Mike and a clog 2:13:44.960 --> 2:13:49.680 just flies in through my window and smacks. That's why, Sophie, 2:13:49.880 --> 2:13:55.640 Uh yeah, there's there's these there's these slinger shots to 2:13:55.680 --> 2:13:58.720 set up outside of my windows that launched these clogs 2:13:58.800 --> 2:14:01.440 right at my face every more lariously, hilariously, we are 2:14:01.480 --> 2:14:08.520 going to come back to slingshots in So there's this 2:14:08.560 --> 2:14:10.880 thing in France, like so people people with wooden shoes 2:14:10.920 --> 2:14:13.840 basically generally are like peasants right there, people from burrel areas, 2:14:13.840 --> 2:14:15.840 And there's this whole sort of stereotype in France that 2:14:16.120 --> 2:14:19.480 like in this period and like the like there's like 2:14:19.520 --> 2:14:22.320 these people with their wooden shoes and they're like peasants 2:14:22.320 --> 2:14:24.720 and they're like ignorant and they're bad at working and 2:14:24.800 --> 2:14:28.200 like and so basically what Pago is the other thing 2:14:28.200 --> 2:14:29.840 that the other theory of what's happening here iss he's 2:14:29.880 --> 2:14:32.040 doing he's like reversing this thing right, he's like, well, okay, 2:14:32.080 --> 2:14:34.920 here's this, here's this like stereotype, like workers working badly. 2:14:35.640 --> 2:14:37.280 And he's like, okay, no, what what if we did 2:14:37.280 --> 2:14:42.000 this on purpose? Like what if we were intentionally just lazy? 2:14:42.640 --> 2:14:45.480 And it's important to note that, like and Pago does 2:14:45.520 --> 2:14:47.640 this and it's writing that, like so he invents the 2:14:47.680 --> 2:14:49.760 word sabotage, but like he sure it's hell, didn't invent 2:14:49.840 --> 2:14:53.240 the content have sabotage here here, here's from the pamphlet 2:14:53.320 --> 2:14:57.000 Sabotage again. Sabotage the former revolt is as old as 2:14:57.080 --> 2:15:00.720 human exploitation, since the day man had the no ability 2:15:00.800 --> 2:15:03.720 to profit by another man's labor, Since that very same 2:15:03.800 --> 2:15:07.040 day the exploited, the exploited toiler has instinctively tried to 2:15:07.040 --> 2:15:09.960 give his master lesson what was demanded from him. In 2:15:10.000 --> 2:15:13.680 this way, the worker was unconsciously doing sabotage, demonstrating in 2:15:13.720 --> 2:15:17.080 an indirect way the irrepressible antagonism that raised capital and 2:15:17.160 --> 2:15:20.720 labor against one another. Okay, I'm I have to I 2:15:20.800 --> 2:15:25.560 have to do a call out post on poor poor, 2:15:25.680 --> 2:15:29.840 get poor gy whatever. Um. That was very sexist, he said, 2:15:29.880 --> 2:15:34.600 every man. That's true, that's not women should also be 2:15:34.680 --> 2:15:37.520 forced to work um non buying. Their people should be 2:15:37.520 --> 2:15:40.760 forced to work um eight hours a day, hopefully more so, 2:15:40.960 --> 2:15:43.040 the fact that he's just making men work is a 2:15:43.040 --> 2:15:48.760 little sexist Garrison doing a Hillary Clinton there, doing a 2:15:48.760 --> 2:15:56.040 Glenn Greenwall there. That's right. You have to see it, ah, weirdly, 2:15:56.240 --> 2:15:59.919 weirdly in terms of in terms of canceling of Frenchman 2:16:00.160 --> 2:16:04.280 a French dude for sexism, like pretty mild, not gonna 2:16:04.360 --> 2:16:09.400 lie at least problematic frenchman, don't. He probably did do 2:16:09.440 --> 2:16:11.120 something horrible. I just didn't see it when I was 2:16:11.160 --> 2:16:14.480 reading about it. But you know, such as such as 2:16:14.560 --> 2:16:17.920 the the guy he invents sabotage. Um, so okay, so 2:16:17.920 --> 2:16:20.400 we have sabotage as like you know, and this is 2:16:20.400 --> 2:16:22.440 an interesting about this, right when when when Pigot was 2:16:22.480 --> 2:16:26.240 first like defining the word, right, like he literally is 2:16:26.280 --> 2:16:31.920 just talking about like labor slowdowns, right, and you know, 2:16:32.280 --> 2:16:37.160 very quickly sabotage comes to mean other things. And here's yeah, 2:16:37.160 --> 2:16:39.640 so so here here's again from this same Pamply he's 2:16:39.720 --> 2:16:43.680 quoting the secretary of a railway union who's like on 2:16:43.760 --> 2:16:45.440 strike for the right to unionize. And this this is 2:16:45.440 --> 2:16:50.000 what the railway union secretary guys says with two cents 2:16:50.000 --> 2:16:53.680 worth of a certain ingredient, union utilized in a peculiar way. 2:16:53.720 --> 2:16:56.480 He declared, it will be easy for the railwayman to 2:16:56.480 --> 2:16:58.800 put the locomotive and such conditions as to make it 2:16:59.160 --> 2:17:05.480 impossible to run them, which fucking absolutely absolutely based eighteen 2:17:05.520 --> 2:17:11.120 seventies French from road union secretary. Ah, it's great stuff. 2:17:11.160 --> 2:17:13.760 It's actually funny because like she's she's just like out there, 2:17:13.800 --> 2:17:17.680 just like saying this, and like every modern union has 2:17:17.720 --> 2:17:21.000 like a giant disclaimer in their things, saying like we 2:17:21.040 --> 2:17:26.880 do not endorse the destruction of machines. Like yeah, the 2:17:26.959 --> 2:17:29.480 fucking based French guys like no, no, no, no no, 2:17:29.680 --> 2:17:32.920 Like we we are actively threatening you to destroy like 2:17:33.000 --> 2:17:35.400 every locomotive in France if you do not let us 2:17:35.440 --> 2:17:38.520 form this union. This is why, this is why my 2:17:38.720 --> 2:17:41.640 organizing with the I Heart Union is solely based on 2:17:41.720 --> 2:17:44.760 us planning future terrorist attacks. Yeah, we don't. If we 2:17:44.800 --> 2:17:48.080 don't get our way, the Hollywood sign will never never 2:17:48.120 --> 2:17:52.960 be the same again. I've already pulled sugar into the 2:17:53.080 --> 2:17:55.720 I guest time of my podcast recorded, correct, that's gonna 2:17:55.840 --> 2:18:03.400 work out for it. Unfortunately, the gas tank of the 2:18:03.440 --> 2:18:07.680 podcast is like my stomach. So we're kind of it's 2:18:07.800 --> 2:18:09.920 it's it's just as a fact of it is actually 2:18:10.040 --> 2:18:12.879 pouring sugar into things. Yeah, why, I'm hiding under your 2:18:12.879 --> 2:18:17.360 bed with a funnel right now. Some sugar. On the 2:18:17.440 --> 2:18:19.520 other hand, Garrison, do you know what else will put 2:18:19.520 --> 2:18:21.960 locomotives in such a condition that will make it impossible 2:18:22.000 --> 2:18:27.720 for them to run? Uh? The is this an ad 2:18:27.720 --> 2:18:35.840 break the products and services that support this podcast? Yeah, 2:18:36.160 --> 2:18:38.879 the fucking the rail companies are making the trains not 2:18:38.920 --> 2:18:41.119 be able to work. The trains are too long. They 2:18:41.120 --> 2:18:46.920 are too long. Okay, dynamite. The answer is dynamite, and 2:18:46.959 --> 2:18:50.760 we're back. Okay. So from here, the definition of sabotage 2:18:50.760 --> 2:18:54.400 starts to sort of expands um very rapidly. Here here 2:18:54.440 --> 2:18:57.800 some the I w w in about what sabotage is. 2:19:00.320 --> 2:19:05.000 I'm so curious sabotages is. Sabotage is a destruction of 2:19:05.040 --> 2:19:08.920 profits to gain a definite revolutionary economic end. It has 2:19:09.000 --> 2:19:11.959 many forms. It may mean damaging the raw materials is 2:19:12.000 --> 2:19:15.320 that destined for a scab factory or shop. It may 2:19:15.360 --> 2:19:18.640 mean spoiling. It may mean the spoiling of a finished product. 2:19:19.120 --> 2:19:21.760 It may mean the displacement of parts of machinery or 2:19:21.760 --> 2:19:25.280 the disarrangement of a whole machine where that machine is 2:19:25.400 --> 2:19:28.199 the one upon which other machines are dependent. From material, 2:19:28.520 --> 2:19:31.240 it may mean working slow, it may mean poor work. 2:19:31.959 --> 2:19:37.080 It may mean missending packages, giving overweight to consumers, pointing 2:19:37.080 --> 2:19:40.039 out defects and goods using the best material where the 2:19:40.080 --> 2:19:45.000 employer desires a alteration, and also the telling of trade secrets. 2:19:45.520 --> 2:19:47.840 In fact, it has as many variations as there are 2:19:47.959 --> 2:19:51.480 lines of work. This is this is so fascinating because 2:19:51.480 --> 2:19:55.240 sabotage definitely now is way more associated with like Earth first, 2:19:55.280 --> 2:19:59.400 like the left tactics, and this is like very labor focus, 2:19:59.480 --> 2:20:02.920 like that much hodges done by the people who are 2:20:03.000 --> 2:20:07.000 working at the factory or place of production on the 2:20:07.000 --> 2:20:09.720 products that they're working on. It's it's that that is 2:20:10.160 --> 2:20:13.240 extremely fascinating. Yeah, And I think there's another thing too, right, 2:20:13.240 --> 2:20:15.920 because like there is the sort of physical aspect of it. 2:20:15.959 --> 2:20:19.000 But again, like this was created as like like as 2:20:19.040 --> 2:20:21.160 a term of sort of like like anarchy, like specifically 2:20:21.240 --> 2:20:23.720 like syndical its political struggle, right, Yeah, and as that 2:20:23.840 --> 2:20:25.600 term like it's a lot of what they're talking about 2:20:25.600 --> 2:20:27.840 when people think about sabotage is just like strikes and 2:20:27.920 --> 2:20:31.400 like labor slowdowns, and that that part of the connotation 2:20:31.440 --> 2:20:34.840 of sabotage has just like completely faded and to get 2:20:34.840 --> 2:20:38.240 into sort of like how that happens. It's and it's 2:20:38.280 --> 2:20:42.280 so based on addressing actual material changes as opposed to 2:20:42.320 --> 2:20:45.959 like a lot of sabotage now is almost like performative, 2:20:46.080 --> 2:20:48.680 like even like even like the left type stuff. It does. 2:20:48.800 --> 2:20:51.440 It does get a thing done, like yes, this thing 2:20:51.440 --> 2:20:53.320 did burn down, but they're gonna build another one. It's 2:20:53.360 --> 2:20:55.920 it's all. It's obviously it's it's for kind of like 2:20:56.040 --> 2:20:59.040 spectacles built into what the actual goal is and for 2:20:59.120 --> 2:21:02.280 this kind of stuff, it's actually it's about like it's 2:21:02.280 --> 2:21:06.560 more like improving labor conditions. It is. It's basically and 2:21:06.600 --> 2:21:07.959 like there's a lot of this that is this that 2:21:08.040 --> 2:21:10.520 is specifically designed not to be like very notable, Like 2:21:10.560 --> 2:21:13.080 I mean there's there's a very common thing. Yet strikes 2:21:13.120 --> 2:21:14.560 like in the US, even even like sort of like 2:21:14.600 --> 2:21:17.520 conservative truck restrikes will do this thing where like okay, 2:21:17.560 --> 2:21:19.640 so the truckers will go on strike and then they'll 2:21:19.720 --> 2:21:22.720 hang like they basically like hang like fragments of metal 2:21:22.760 --> 2:21:25.200 and shipped from like the top of overpasses so that 2:21:25.240 --> 2:21:27.000 if you drive another truck under it or like funk 2:21:27.040 --> 2:21:29.360 up the top of the truck, and that's like that's 2:21:29.400 --> 2:21:31.519 kind of stuff. Isn't like it's not designed it specifically 2:21:31.520 --> 2:21:33.280 not designed to be public, right, It's designed to be 2:21:33.320 --> 2:21:36.240 something that like okay, like it's it's, it's, it's it's 2:21:36.280 --> 2:21:40.000 it's it's about like directly materially hurting the bosses over 2:21:40.040 --> 2:21:42.400 like a long period of time, not just like ones 2:21:42.640 --> 2:21:45.440 like single action. You do it and you run away 2:21:45.480 --> 2:21:48.120 and hope and hope to never be caught. It's like, no, 2:21:48.240 --> 2:21:51.680 it's gonna work slowly for two years and it costs 2:21:51.720 --> 2:21:54.680 my boss like thousands of dollars in process. I mean 2:21:54.879 --> 2:21:59.360 there there, there's some there's something like okay, so I 2:21:59.520 --> 2:22:01.480 I guess but here So I've been I've been doing 2:22:02.040 --> 2:22:04.039 some episodes. Next week we're going to be about Lula, 2:22:04.080 --> 2:22:07.080 who's like the sort of like great uh like originally 2:22:07.160 --> 2:22:13.199 labor leader and turns sort of like am I blanking 2:22:13.200 --> 2:22:16.120 on the name of a friend of the people of Haiti. Yeah, 2:22:16.320 --> 2:22:18.880 we're going to get to that. That's what he tended into. 2:22:19.000 --> 2:22:22.400 That's nothing else. Yeah, yeah, but he he's a former 2:22:22.440 --> 2:22:25.520 president of Brazil maybe be the next president of Brazil. Also, 2:22:26.440 --> 2:22:30.440 you know, he has this interesting sort of like she 2:22:30.560 --> 2:22:32.920 doesn't want of labor organizing under the military rettatorship. And 2:22:32.959 --> 2:22:35.400 he has this really interesting lot because during the military 2:22:35.480 --> 2:22:37.039 kadership and Brasil, there's a bunch of these sort of 2:22:37.080 --> 2:22:41.480 like like underground leftist parta military groups and like like 2:22:41.560 --> 2:22:44.400 his brother gets like arrested by the military and tortured horribly, 2:22:45.000 --> 2:22:48.199 and he has this really interesting line about that talking 2:22:48.200 --> 2:22:52.160 about these contestine groups, which is like, okay, like if 2:22:52.560 --> 2:22:55.039 like if you guys had like talked to like the 2:22:55.120 --> 2:22:58.280 two thousand people who work in this factory instead of 2:22:58.280 --> 2:23:00.280 doing this completely condestinely and not even telling your own 2:23:00.320 --> 2:23:02.520 family that you're a communist, Like maybe if you talk 2:23:02.600 --> 2:23:04.400 to people like they couldn't have grabbed you off the 2:23:04.440 --> 2:23:07.760 street and just like arrest like it's like disappeared you 2:23:07.760 --> 2:23:10.200 overnight because there would have been people there and and that, 2:23:10.320 --> 2:23:12.840 and that's that's the thing, Like that all of this stuff, 2:23:12.879 --> 2:23:16.560 like this kind of sabotage relies on like you and 2:23:16.640 --> 2:23:19.640 like everyone else around you also doing the thing, and 2:23:19.720 --> 2:23:21.680 that makes it harder to crack down on because you 2:23:21.760 --> 2:23:23.640 just you you know, you sort you have critical mass 2:23:24.320 --> 2:23:26.360 and yeah, and that's something I think is is very 2:23:26.400 --> 2:23:28.720 different from sort of modern sabotage, which is yeah, based 2:23:28.760 --> 2:23:31.560 on these sort of like either either like okay, we're 2:23:31.560 --> 2:23:33.879 doing this and we're gonna get rested, or it's like 2:23:35.360 --> 2:23:38.240 here is like a secret cell in like the woods 2:23:38.280 --> 2:23:42.520 in Oregon and no none other people and other people 2:23:42.520 --> 2:23:44.280 in this group will ever see each other again after 2:23:44.320 --> 2:23:47.560 they like spike this tree. I wonder if it has 2:23:47.600 --> 2:23:49.640 its roots and like, um, I don't know when these 2:23:49.680 --> 2:23:53.000 like some of people in front existed. But like in 2:23:53.040 --> 2:23:55.959 Britain we have the Luddites at around a similar time, 2:23:56.000 --> 2:23:57.600 who has sometimes seen as one of the air reach 2:23:57.640 --> 2:24:00.720 you know, like trade unions, right, who would sure break 2:24:00.920 --> 2:24:05.720 break boilers and the industrial revolution. Yeah, yeah, Britain still 2:24:05.760 --> 2:24:09.800 incidentally makes it a capital crime to destroy a boiler 2:24:10.320 --> 2:24:14.760 or like a break. Well, it's a way of break 2:24:14.800 --> 2:24:17.440 because what the like the ned Blood is just like 2:24:17.520 --> 2:24:20.800 fictional leader of the Luodites, right, like this giant general 2:24:20.840 --> 2:24:22.560 who's supposed to come and they were like, oh it's 2:24:22.600 --> 2:24:24.080 ned Blood, mate, and I don't think about it what 2:24:24.120 --> 2:24:28.480 you're talking about. They like they made it a capital 2:24:28.520 --> 2:24:31.680 trying to try, but to try and break up specifically 2:24:31.879 --> 2:24:35.080 that right to what like Chris is talking about, like 2:24:35.080 --> 2:24:38.080 like it's obviously like personifying the forces of labor as 2:24:38.200 --> 2:24:41.520 as a giant general is not something that continued throughout 2:24:41.520 --> 2:24:45.279 space and time, but that solidarity where where like someone 2:24:45.320 --> 2:24:47.879 in the factory fucked up the boiler, everyone in the 2:24:47.879 --> 2:24:50.200 factory has something to gain from sucking up the boiler. 2:24:50.280 --> 2:24:52.199 So as long as we don't tell anyone, the boiler 2:24:52.200 --> 2:24:56.240 stays sucked up. Yeah. And interesting, like actually like specifically 2:24:56.240 --> 2:24:58.640 writes about what he's writing abo stuff, the stuff and 2:24:58.879 --> 2:25:02.280 the like the eight thirties, but like he specifically writes 2:25:02.320 --> 2:25:04.520 about like the little thing that that that kind of 2:25:04.600 --> 2:25:06.520 labor struggle in Britain is like one of the one 2:25:06.520 --> 2:25:11.760 of the sort of like forebearers. Yeah, yeah, a thing 2:25:11.760 --> 2:25:13.840 on them. Yeah. But so this stuff is sort of 2:25:13.879 --> 2:25:16.199 like yeah, a lot a lot of this stuff is people. 2:25:16.240 --> 2:25:18.160 Is people in the age like the eight nineties and 2:25:18.160 --> 2:25:22.199 like hunters like looking back on those groups and Okay, 2:25:22.200 --> 2:25:24.240 so I want to sort of pivot a little bit, 2:25:24.240 --> 2:25:27.800 which is because so we've mentioned the iww UM and 2:25:27.920 --> 2:25:31.240 the iww are the people who are basically like responsible 2:25:31.400 --> 2:25:36.680 for associating sabotage with the black cat. And it's sort 2:25:36.680 --> 2:25:40.520 of unclear how this happens. Um here's how the modern 2:25:40.600 --> 2:25:44.240 IWW talks about and SHEW thousand eleven it which is 2:25:44.280 --> 2:25:47.520 like the sort of like sabotage cat picture. It was 2:25:47.560 --> 2:25:51.560 probably conceived by IWW member Ralph Chaplin, most famous for 2:25:51.600 --> 2:25:55.760 penning the IWW labor anthem Solidarity Forever, who produced many 2:25:55.840 --> 2:26:00.760 of the IWW's early silent agitator graphics, which themselves had 2:26:00.800 --> 2:26:04.240 close association with hobo signs described elsewhere in this gallery. 2:26:04.240 --> 2:26:06.040 If i W a culture, we can cut that part. 2:26:06.680 --> 2:26:09.760 Although today the cat has a general association with the IWW, 2:26:10.000 --> 2:26:12.640 sometimes even as its mascot, its original purpose was as 2:26:12.640 --> 2:26:14.959 a code or symbol for direct action at the point 2:26:15.000 --> 2:26:19.240 of production, specifically sabotage. Indeed, the cat may have been 2:26:19.879 --> 2:26:22.040 may even have been chosen due to the convenient word 2:26:22.120 --> 2:26:25.400 place sabo tabby, possibly even a direct inspiration from mel 2:26:25.440 --> 2:26:30.600 Blanc's characterization of bugs bunny. Often bugs bunnies often mispronounced sabotage. 2:26:30.720 --> 2:26:42.160 Sabotage by really should be as like sabotage, so i 2:26:42.200 --> 2:26:44.400 was described in the section of sabotage must be emphasized 2:26:44.400 --> 2:26:47.760 that the latter did not mean destruction of machinery or equipment, 2:26:48.480 --> 2:26:51.120 although I I really think that's partially like that the 2:26:51.120 --> 2:26:56.879 modern IWW being like, hey, don't sue us like this 2:26:57.000 --> 2:26:58.360 and this. The thing with the the old i WW 2:26:58.480 --> 2:27:00.240 is like you'll you'll get you'll get like states from 2:27:00.240 --> 2:27:03.640 my w W leaders who are like, uh we I 2:27:04.040 --> 2:27:05.800 we We're not the guy. We don't like our our 2:27:05.920 --> 2:27:08.800 strikers aren't the people who break machines. There's another group 2:27:08.800 --> 2:27:12.640 of people who are like here also, but who are 2:27:12.680 --> 2:27:14.600 not us? Who are not us? Who are door do 2:27:14.640 --> 2:27:19.279 who are destroying things? I never do crimes great stuff, 2:27:20.000 --> 2:27:29.280 Only my identical twin Harrison does. Cry. Yeah, it's amazing 2:27:29.320 --> 2:27:32.600 how many symbols of industrial labor come from the wobblies, 2:27:32.640 --> 2:27:36.160 Like the raised fist also comes from the IWW, right, 2:27:36.200 --> 2:27:39.119 Like it's incredible this global impact. Yeah, well, I mean 2:27:39.320 --> 2:27:41.440 like and I think there's a there's a reason for this, 2:27:41.480 --> 2:27:44.560 which is that like, okay, if if you're if you 2:27:44.600 --> 2:27:47.280 are a capitalist in the early nine, like this cat 2:27:47.440 --> 2:27:51.240 is the spookiest ship you've ever seen, Like, like it 2:27:51.360 --> 2:27:54.640 is terrifying, Like they are like groups of wobblies, will 2:27:54.800 --> 2:27:57.680 like try to step off a boat and people and 2:27:57.720 --> 2:27:59.960 like the like sheriffs will just immediately start shooting the 2:28:00.040 --> 2:28:03.080 him like it is to this day. I think I 2:28:03.120 --> 2:28:05.320 think that WW is the only leftist group in the 2:28:05.360 --> 2:28:07.360 history of the U S outside of Puerto Rico that 2:28:07.400 --> 2:28:10.320 has ever taken in American city, which they did in 2:28:10.360 --> 2:28:12.959 the UH. It was a very small town on the border, 2:28:13.000 --> 2:28:16.680 but they actually actually took American cities like during the 2:28:16.680 --> 2:28:21.280 Mexican Revolution um and that Mountain maybe United mind. Well, 2:28:21.280 --> 2:28:23.280 they didn't actually like that's the thing though, They didn't 2:28:23.320 --> 2:28:27.920 actually like fully like drive drive out like okay, yea yeah, 2:28:27.959 --> 2:28:31.000 like like they like that that WW like actually fully 2:28:31.080 --> 2:28:34.160 like took over these towns. It was like where the 2:28:34.200 --> 2:28:38.120 fucking running this down? But you know, but what this 2:28:38.160 --> 2:28:40.840 thing that starts happening here is you get like like 2:28:40.920 --> 2:28:43.360 people are really desperate like that there's still there's a 2:28:43.360 --> 2:28:44.960 bunch of houses, Like there's a bunch of like old 2:28:45.000 --> 2:28:47.080 mansions from this period, like Late Age hundreds, early nighte 2:28:47.160 --> 2:28:50.560 hundreds like in Chicago that are are all built in 2:28:50.640 --> 2:28:52.320 online in one street. And the reason they were all 2:28:52.320 --> 2:28:54.920 built that way was because they wanted to be on 2:28:54.920 --> 2:28:56.959 on the road to on the road to the nearest 2:28:56.959 --> 2:28:59.119 military base so that when the revolution come they came, 2:28:59.160 --> 2:29:01.480 they could run and hide. Like this is how scared 2:29:01.480 --> 2:29:05.480 peace people are. And the like bosses start offering workers 2:29:05.480 --> 2:29:08.040 things as a compromise that like most people today like 2:29:08.120 --> 2:29:11.600 think our socialism like they have, Like you start getting 2:29:11.640 --> 2:29:14.080 companies that have like into that have their own workers 2:29:14.080 --> 2:29:18.000 councils in them, like like here here is here is 2:29:18.000 --> 2:29:20.200 the workers council will give the workers council budgetrol over 2:29:20.200 --> 2:29:22.440 how the shot flow works, like please don't overthrow us. 2:29:22.520 --> 2:29:26.520 Like Rockefeller like develops the idea of putting workers on 2:29:26.560 --> 2:29:29.879 corporate boards, like specifically as a way of trying to 2:29:29.920 --> 2:29:33.000 buy off workers and stopping them from like sabotaging their 2:29:33.040 --> 2:29:35.439 way to revolution and just like stealing all of Rocketfeller's 2:29:35.440 --> 2:29:38.160 property for the working class. And you know, we've been 2:29:38.160 --> 2:29:39.840 talking about about a lot about this and sort of 2:29:39.840 --> 2:29:41.840 like the American context and like sort of the French 2:29:41.879 --> 2:29:44.840 and English context, but you know, partially because the ademology, 2:29:44.879 --> 2:29:47.000 partially because of like who's involved with like the specific 2:29:47.000 --> 2:29:49.280 black cat thin but like syndicalism, which is the sort 2:29:49.320 --> 2:29:52.600 of like this ideology of using democratic unions doing a 2:29:52.640 --> 2:29:54.520 general strike to like seize control of the means of 2:29:54.520 --> 2:29:57.960 production and ending the class system. This is fucking everywhere. 2:29:58.000 --> 2:30:00.800 This is these these people spread like wild fire, like 2:30:00.840 --> 2:30:02.880 I think, I think probably the most famous cynicals other 2:30:02.920 --> 2:30:05.600 than the IWW are the CNT in Spain. But like 2:30:07.320 --> 2:30:10.680 you know, the Italian in in in nineteen nineteen seventeen 2:30:10.760 --> 2:30:14.200 nineteen nineteen, like Cynicolas and Italy like very nearly pull 2:30:14.280 --> 2:30:16.120 off a revolution during the period that becomes known as 2:30:16.160 --> 2:30:18.000 de Benni a Rosso or like the two Red Years, 2:30:18.200 --> 2:30:21.400 they wind up being betrayed by the Italian Socialists and 2:30:21.480 --> 2:30:25.760 that's how we get Bussolini but shocked. Yeah, who who 2:30:25.760 --> 2:30:28.039 who could have guessed? But you know, there there are 2:30:28.120 --> 2:30:31.240 enormous cynicalist unions like everywhere that there's there's the huge 2:30:31.280 --> 2:30:36.439 cynicals unions in both Brazil and Argentina and sort of bizarrely, 2:30:37.040 --> 2:30:40.200 both Brazil and Argentina both have these sort of like 2:30:40.320 --> 2:30:45.280 general strike anarchist revolutions in both nineteen seventeen and nineteen nineteen. Yeah, 2:30:45.520 --> 2:30:48.480 it's wild like the cynicals are everywhere. There's there's like 2:30:48.480 --> 2:30:52.400 their cynicalist like tin workers in Brazil. There in Venezuela. 2:30:52.440 --> 2:30:54.520 There's an AWW section in South Africa there, it's like 2:30:54.520 --> 2:30:57.720 cynicalas in Egypt. They're in Japan like it. From from 2:30:57.720 --> 2:31:02.680 this period, from like the late eighteen hundreds through really 2:31:02.720 --> 2:31:06.080 even the earlier, so the early nineteen twenties, like these 2:31:06.160 --> 2:31:09.920 people are a pretty significant section of the entire international 2:31:10.000 --> 2:31:13.160 labor and socialist movements. And every word syndicalism goes this 2:31:13.320 --> 2:31:18.640 black cat goes with them. Now. Unfortunately, as as vagina 2:31:18.720 --> 2:31:21.080 hunters wear on the this the influence of syndicalism begins 2:31:21.120 --> 2:31:23.760 to wane as a combination of both intense post World 2:31:23.760 --> 2:31:26.359 War One repression and you know as this as reactions 2:31:26.360 --> 2:31:30.199 sort of like red scary reactions to uh, the Russian Revolution, 2:31:30.560 --> 2:31:32.400 and also the sort of rise of like Lennin as 2:31:32.400 --> 2:31:34.760 communist parties who have their own doctrines that don't like 2:31:35.440 --> 2:31:37.920 rely on sabotage in the sort of theoretical sense that 2:31:38.800 --> 2:31:43.400 syn nicolism does. And this this has like this, this, this, 2:31:43.400 --> 2:31:45.320 this has a bunch of sort of malign effects on 2:31:45.400 --> 2:31:50.640 what people think sabotage is. Unfortunately, but do you know 2:31:50.720 --> 2:31:53.280 what else degraded the use of sabotages of political and 2:31:53.280 --> 2:32:00.080 ideological weapon. It's it's it's the advertising industrial comes, not 2:32:00.160 --> 2:32:04.640 the bastie boys, and we are back. But wait, there's 2:32:04.720 --> 2:32:08.320 still more sabotage because unfortunately, you know, as as the 2:32:08.360 --> 2:32:10.360 sort of like the syneclist movement is declining and like 2:32:10.400 --> 2:32:13.040 every single one of these people is getting shot. Uh, 2:32:13.080 --> 2:32:16.439 there was waiting in the wings. Another type of sabotage 2:32:16.920 --> 2:32:18.680 that we've talked about a lot on this show. And yeah, 2:32:18.879 --> 2:32:22.880 this is ecological sabotage, which I'm okay. I also see 2:32:22.920 --> 2:32:25.880 people calling it eco taj and like, I'm sorry, I 2:32:25.720 --> 2:32:27.680 love I love you, I love you all Forest of Fighters. 2:32:27.800 --> 2:32:32.640 That is a dogshit word like echo tag, like come on, 2:32:32.840 --> 2:32:35.080 like this is this is not this is not actually 2:32:35.080 --> 2:32:37.879 a good word. We could do better. Um. It's also 2:32:37.920 --> 2:32:43.880 called monkey wrenching after the the the work of ecological 2:32:43.920 --> 2:32:48.400 activists in veterate racist Edward Abbey, that's right, and sexist. 2:32:48.440 --> 2:32:52.160 Don't don't let him off the hook. Oh yeah yeah, yeah, 2:32:52.280 --> 2:32:55.480 old white dude Edward Abbey. Yeah he's a he's a 2:32:55.560 --> 2:32:59.440 very like this is a very like Pacific Northwest kind 2:32:59.480 --> 2:33:06.760 of guy. That's true. Yeah, yeah, it's like guys who's 2:33:06.800 --> 2:33:10.280 white really likes forest does not like brown people. He 2:33:10.440 --> 2:33:14.240 loves the fucking desert like yeah, yeah, desert boomers loves 2:33:14.280 --> 2:33:16.120 some med with Abbey. They pay it. I was in 2:33:16.160 --> 2:33:18.360 Moab recently and like the amount of people selling like 2:33:18.440 --> 2:33:24.120 first editions of Edward Abbey books without like entire like 2:33:24.480 --> 2:33:27.680 first edition to like Earth First Gathering posters and stuff 2:33:28.560 --> 2:33:34.640 like thousands. Someone who's on an off road safari. Oh nice, Yeah, 2:33:34.640 --> 2:33:37.040 that's a copy of the most maybe a first edition. Actually, 2:33:37.400 --> 2:33:39.039 do you do you want to tell the crowd what 2:33:39.120 --> 2:33:43.119 this book is about? Gang? Yeah? Oh, it's a group 2:33:43.160 --> 2:33:46.640 of people who have some fun times. It's people who 2:33:46.959 --> 2:33:51.800 travel around. They play with some trains, um and some diggers. 2:33:51.879 --> 2:33:56.959 They play with diggers, yes, yes they were, they were diggers. Yeah, 2:33:57.000 --> 2:33:59.440 I don't know, even just having fun times. Also, there's 2:33:59.480 --> 2:34:01.280 something that I I did not know for a while, 2:34:01.280 --> 2:34:04.600 but Edward Abbey also wrote one of the adaptations of 2:34:04.640 --> 2:34:09.119 Lolita to play on stage. Oh shoot, I forgot about that. Yeah, 2:34:09.520 --> 2:34:14.879 I just un problematic guy doing fascinating stuff. He discubs trees. Yeah, well, okay, 2:34:14.879 --> 2:34:18.400 so he has the one genuine the unproblematic thing he 2:34:19.120 --> 2:34:21.440 wrote this you're another book called EO. Well okay, so 2:34:21.480 --> 2:34:23.200 he's involved in the writing of this. There's a lot 2:34:23.200 --> 2:34:24.520 of there's a lot of people have tribute to this, 2:34:24.879 --> 2:34:26.960 but he's involved in the writing of a book called 2:34:27.000 --> 2:34:30.080 Eco Defensive Field Guide to Monkey Wrenching, which is this 2:34:30.240 --> 2:34:34.400 like unbelievably intricate and detailed guy to doing everything from 2:34:34.440 --> 2:34:38.160 like tree spiking power lines to breaking ranching equipment, to 2:34:38.200 --> 2:34:41.640 sabotaging vehicles and aircraft, of freeing animals from traps, she 2:34:41.720 --> 2:34:44.240 defeating surveillance, the sinking ships, to a section that is 2:34:44.280 --> 2:34:52.119 called only quote fun with sling shots. Even in Key 2:34:52.160 --> 2:34:55.440 wrench Gang he goes into great detail about how to 2:34:55.520 --> 2:34:58.800 start a caterpillar like bulldozer, like like a lot of 2:34:58.840 --> 2:35:02.000 it was like how to do terrorism, but like in 2:35:02.040 --> 2:35:05.600 a novel, like it's fantastic. Yeah, well it's like that. 2:35:05.959 --> 2:35:08.640 There's a whole genre of like of post World War 2:35:08.680 --> 2:35:11.640 two French films that are this with prison breaks where 2:35:11.680 --> 2:35:13.680 it's like as a bunch of people people who like 2:35:13.720 --> 2:35:15.720 been in concentration camps and like had broken out of 2:35:15.720 --> 2:35:19.480 them are making these movies that are like just really intricate. Okay, okay, 2:35:19.520 --> 2:35:21.120 this is how you make a lock pick, Like this 2:35:21.200 --> 2:35:24.160 is this is how you figure out guards like shift changes, 2:35:24.320 --> 2:35:26.879 like this is how you like take out these boards. 2:35:26.920 --> 2:35:28.640 It's great stuff and it's it's what one of one 2:35:28.640 --> 2:35:31.840 of the better kinds of things and eco defense, Like 2:35:32.080 --> 2:35:35.160 it's not the most banned book I've ever seen in 2:35:35.200 --> 2:35:39.080 a world that goes to, yeah, it's it's not okay. 2:35:39.680 --> 2:35:42.800 So on the one hand, like the FBI is in 2:35:42.840 --> 2:35:45.560 a weird position because they can't like technically ban it 2:35:45.840 --> 2:35:48.440 because the US has this thing called the First Amendment 2:35:48.480 --> 2:35:54.959 that like you can sometimes winning courts. Here's here's the 2:35:54.959 --> 2:35:57.560 the Ego Defense Handbook was not written by Edward Abbey. 2:35:57.560 --> 2:36:01.120 It was written by David Foreman. Yeah, but people'll, uh 2:36:01.160 --> 2:36:04.440 there was a foreword in the book written by Edward Abbey. Okay, 2:36:04.440 --> 2:36:06.959 that that's the he wasn't. I think I think he 2:36:07.000 --> 2:36:09.600 was involved with the publication with it. Like he's somewhat 2:36:10.879 --> 2:36:13.840 like David Foreman and Edward Abbey were friends. They were 2:36:15.560 --> 2:36:18.440 they were Abby Abby Abby. Abbey is less involved with 2:36:18.440 --> 2:36:21.560 this insofar as he like Foremen, like the FBI tries 2:36:21.600 --> 2:36:24.760 to like entrap him for writing this book. Like like 2:36:24.800 --> 2:36:27.320 all most of the people who like action sections to this. Yeah, 2:36:27.400 --> 2:36:30.440 like all these people like people start yea the FBI 2:36:30.480 --> 2:36:32.920 tries to arrest him on other stuff because unfortunately this 2:36:32.920 --> 2:36:35.560 book doesn't violate traffic law, so they can't arrestue for it. 2:36:36.360 --> 2:36:39.960 And okay, I do buy it on ab a lot. Yeah. Yeah, 2:36:40.040 --> 2:36:43.200 it's on the Anarchist Library for free. Don't buy it, 2:36:44.360 --> 2:36:47.480 Jeffrey Bezos your money. Yeah, so it turned on a 2:36:47.560 --> 2:36:52.119 VPN used tour and go to the Anarchist Library. It's 2:36:52.120 --> 2:36:55.080 it's in this category of books that are like like, okay, 2:36:55.080 --> 2:36:56.720 when when when you have your Noble band books list, 2:36:56.760 --> 2:36:59.040 they don't include. There just two kinds of books the 2:36:59.040 --> 2:37:01.040 don't include. One is they don't include books where it's like, 2:37:01.160 --> 2:37:02.840 well they didn't technically ban the book, but they tried 2:37:02.840 --> 2:37:04.879 to arrest everyone who wrote it. And then too, they 2:37:04.879 --> 2:37:07.800 don't include Alfredo Banano's arm Joy, a book for which 2:37:07.800 --> 2:37:10.840 she was arrested, thrown in prison and kept through well. 2:37:10.879 --> 2:37:13.840 The Italian government, on orders from the Supreme Court, like 2:37:14.640 --> 2:37:16.960 took every copy they could find, lit it on fire 2:37:17.000 --> 2:37:20.920 and giant bonfires. The other thing with that, you could 2:37:20.920 --> 2:37:23.400 have hand sam book even if they did not arrest 2:37:23.720 --> 2:37:26.600 the owners. I've talked with a lot of green anarchists 2:37:26.680 --> 2:37:31.240 from who who were active during the green scare, and 2:37:31.320 --> 2:37:36.680 they definitely arrested people just for having having like like 2:37:36.760 --> 2:37:39.000 if like if you had it, that was evidence that 2:37:39.040 --> 2:37:42.320 you were a terrorist, Like it was something that like 2:37:42.440 --> 2:37:46.640 you don't talk about, you don't put your fingerprints on it, um, 2:37:46.680 --> 2:37:50.480 because having this book could get you in trouble, Like 2:37:50.600 --> 2:37:54.920 you don't like it's it's it's it's there's there's multiple 2:37:54.959 --> 2:37:57.160 ways to ban a book, one of them being if 2:37:57.160 --> 2:37:58.800 you have it, they're gonna try to charge you with 2:37:58.840 --> 2:38:05.760 like terrorism enhancement stuff might also trying to cause a pretext. So, yeah, 2:38:06.040 --> 2:38:09.800 fun book. Yeah, and so, and like I think, yeah, 2:38:09.920 --> 2:38:12.520 calling it like I think with so, I think a 2:38:12.560 --> 2:38:14.240 lot of the stuff that people were doing that I 2:38:14.360 --> 2:38:16.959 called monkey wrenching or sort of like ecological sabotag just 2:38:17.080 --> 2:38:20.520 called eco terrorism today because people have just well there's 2:38:20.680 --> 2:38:22.520 like a whole loop of this, right because there's there's 2:38:22.560 --> 2:38:24.680 there's there's the fbig the green scary growing, like, all 2:38:24.680 --> 2:38:26.520 of this is terrorism. We're going to use the fucking 2:38:26.640 --> 2:38:29.879 entire like giant like military appc actually built up to 2:38:29.959 --> 2:38:33.160 like go after about people setting free animals. But then 2:38:33.480 --> 2:38:35.520 but then like like at some point and this is 2:38:35.600 --> 2:38:37.320 this is I think thing. It's very interesting in the 2:38:37.400 --> 2:38:40.720 last sort of like five ten years, like people who 2:38:41.000 --> 2:38:44.200 weren't really involved with the original stuff decided that eco 2:38:44.280 --> 2:38:46.760 terrorism was cool. And now everyone on Twitter just talks 2:38:46.760 --> 2:38:49.640 about eco terrorism all the time, which is like they 2:38:49.640 --> 2:38:51.800 talk about interesting term. Well they don't and this is 2:38:51.879 --> 2:38:54.240 the thing. Those people don't do it, and it's like 2:38:54.480 --> 2:38:58.400 come on, like but on the other hand, there are 2:38:58.440 --> 2:39:02.000 a lot of people we should maybe caveat for our 2:39:02.000 --> 2:39:05.320 British listeners that you absolutely can be prosecuted for having 2:39:05.360 --> 2:39:07.840 that book, and multiple people have been prosecuted in the 2:39:07.920 --> 2:39:10.959 last two years. And the Anarchist Cookbook. I mean you 2:39:11.000 --> 2:39:16.960 could still be oh yeah, it's like they they can't. Yeah, 2:39:17.680 --> 2:39:20.840 even if you're an American you can still get they've 2:39:20.879 --> 2:39:23.760 still gotten people for having the book. Like it's it's 2:39:23.800 --> 2:39:26.480 it's that's that's that's interest thing about how the censorship works, right, 2:39:26.520 --> 2:39:28.480 is it like like you are allowed to be a 2:39:28.520 --> 2:39:30.680 capitalist and sell it, but you're not You're not allowed 2:39:30.720 --> 2:39:36.000 to buy it because you a terrorist. Yeah, wonderful stuff. Yeah, 2:39:36.040 --> 2:39:38.160 in Britain, you can't even things like the Anarchist Cookbook, 2:39:38.200 --> 2:39:42.320 Like people have been prosecuted and anyone should be prosecuted 2:39:42.320 --> 2:39:46.840 for the Anarchist Cookbook because because it's dogshit anyone. Pretty Yeah, 2:39:47.080 --> 2:39:49.240 I've always wanted to do like a deep dive into 2:39:49.440 --> 2:39:51.560 the history of all the ship that's been blamed on 2:39:51.600 --> 2:39:54.480 that book and yeah, all the people who have And 2:39:54.480 --> 2:39:56.760 it's funny too because it's not like the Army literally 2:39:56.800 --> 2:39:59.640 doesn't publish fucking Field Manual, but you could just buy 2:39:59.640 --> 2:40:02.040 it a store that like has all the same ship. Like, 2:40:03.200 --> 2:40:06.120 but you know, terrorism is when we do it and 2:40:06.160 --> 2:40:08.800 not when they do it. That's right, So I want 2:40:08.800 --> 2:40:10.320 to talk about so like this whole thing is is 2:40:10.320 --> 2:40:11.840 a product of like this, like you know, this is 2:40:11.879 --> 2:40:15.240 what sabotage it turns into. Right, And there's you know, 2:40:15.280 --> 2:40:17.600 and some of the people stuff that like is being 2:40:17.640 --> 2:40:20.600 done here isn't really that destructive. Like a lot of 2:40:20.640 --> 2:40:24.040 people like you know, like people people like sitting in trees. Right, 2:40:24.080 --> 2:40:25.400 there's a lot of stuff that sort of like civil 2:40:25.480 --> 2:40:29.520 disobedience that is like you know, including this stuff. But 2:40:29.520 --> 2:40:32.280 then there's also like but you know, but but like 2:40:32.320 --> 2:40:34.480 stuff like spiking trees is where you I think you 2:40:35.040 --> 2:40:37.320 and it's basically destroying construction equipment is where stuff you 2:40:37.360 --> 2:40:38.560 start you start to get this sort of like modern 2:40:38.640 --> 2:40:41.400 understanding is sabotage is like a thing that like an 2:40:41.400 --> 2:40:45.959 activist does to like a piece of machinery. But you know, 2:40:45.959 --> 2:40:48.439 like there's a lot of things people do, like people sabotage, 2:40:48.520 --> 2:40:51.200 like whaling ships. But then also I want to sort 2:40:51.200 --> 2:40:54.000 of close the episode with this, is that like there's 2:40:54.040 --> 2:40:55.840 a lot of people in a lot of other places 2:40:55.879 --> 2:40:59.160 in the world who do, like who do a lot 2:40:59.160 --> 2:41:01.080 of stuff for echolog school defense that doesn't get put 2:41:01.160 --> 2:41:04.360 under this framework where for example, there are groups like 2:41:04.360 --> 2:41:06.720 the Niture Delta Avengers who are like, Okay, fuck it. 2:41:06.760 --> 2:41:08.480 If if the Nigeria government is just going to execute 2:41:08.520 --> 2:41:10.760 ecological activists, we're gonna pick up guns, we're gonna blow 2:41:10.800 --> 2:41:13.440 up pipeline pipelines, and we're gonna start shooting, and you 2:41:13.480 --> 2:41:15.920 know there there's ground in between, like the sort of 2:41:15.920 --> 2:41:17.959 like we're gonna do sabotage and we're going to like 2:41:18.040 --> 2:41:20.440 do arms struggle like an Ecuador for example, one of 2:41:20.440 --> 2:41:21.920 the responses you see to sort of like a tax 2:41:21.920 --> 2:41:25.080 in indigenous land by capitalist developers, this indigenous groups being 2:41:25.120 --> 2:41:27.280 just like fuck it, We're doing an uprising, and then 2:41:27.360 --> 2:41:29.800 tens of thousands of people like spend three weeks fighting 2:41:29.840 --> 2:41:33.120 and fighting cops in the street until they stop. And 2:41:33.200 --> 2:41:34.880 you also see stuff that's like it's kind of like 2:41:35.320 --> 2:41:37.560 because one of the other specifically in France, they do 2:41:37.600 --> 2:41:40.160 this all the fucking time, like one one of the 2:41:40.160 --> 2:41:43.039 older sort of like workers like sabotage tactics is just 2:41:43.080 --> 2:41:46.920 like you kidnapped your manager, and like people do this 2:41:47.040 --> 2:41:50.360 like now in France, Like it's just like, okay, you're 2:41:50.400 --> 2:41:52.320 the manager. You can't leave until you greet it or 2:41:52.440 --> 2:41:55.480 demand like but like when people will do this in 2:41:55.520 --> 2:41:57.879 ecological settings, well like a government sending a government minister 2:41:57.959 --> 2:41:59.720 to like negotiate something that would be they'll be like, 2:41:59.720 --> 2:42:01.720 I'm a manager around and people will just be like, okay, 2:42:01.760 --> 2:42:04.720 like we're kidnapping you, Like we'll let you go when 2:42:04.760 --> 2:42:09.640 you stop doing this. That's good good stuff. Yeah, And 2:42:09.920 --> 2:42:11.640 I think and I think like and these tactics also 2:42:11.680 --> 2:42:13.360 sort of spread, like for example, in Chile, if you 2:42:13.400 --> 2:42:15.600 look at like if you look at their sort of 2:42:15.600 --> 2:42:18.760 like like Milton ecological struggles, especially like indigenous the Pochay resistance, 2:42:18.800 --> 2:42:21.920 like that is a place that like more than anywhere 2:42:21.920 --> 2:42:24.400 else have ever seen love setting construction equipment on fire, 2:42:25.320 --> 2:42:30.120 like they really they really like lightning backos on fire. 2:42:30.200 --> 2:42:33.280 It's it's it's good stuff. Um, but you have having 2:42:33.280 --> 2:42:35.120 sort of said all of this, like the fact that 2:42:35.160 --> 2:42:39.080 sabotage is synonymous was sort of like property destruction, is 2:42:39.160 --> 2:42:41.840 I like, I genuinely think like a triumphal of corporate 2:42:41.840 --> 2:42:45.760 propaganda because the original meeting of it right there and 2:42:45.800 --> 2:42:48.760 the original politics behind it, which which is this like 2:42:48.879 --> 2:42:52.120 very explicit class politics of like fuck it, Like if 2:42:52.160 --> 2:42:55.240 we are not going to get the actual like products 2:42:55.240 --> 2:42:57.600 of our own labor, we are either not going to 2:42:57.680 --> 2:42:59.400 work or we are going to take it from you 2:42:59.520 --> 2:43:01.600 or where you and to make sure that you also 2:43:01.600 --> 2:43:03.400 don't get the products of our labor. Like that's so 2:43:03.520 --> 2:43:07.200 so just ord of gone. And that's that's that's very 2:43:07.240 --> 2:43:10.600 sad to be because it's it's it's a good politics 2:43:10.640 --> 2:43:16.039 and we need more of it. And yeah, all of 2:43:16.040 --> 2:43:17.840 this sort of is to say that workers have no 2:43:17.920 --> 2:43:20.160 reason to fear the black cat, but boss's owners and 2:43:20.200 --> 2:43:24.840 capitalists live in fear. Your time will come happy Halloween happy. 2:43:24.959 --> 2:43:30.760 How the cut fences somehow I didn't somehow I never 2:43:30.840 --> 2:43:32.800 mentioned bolt cutters in here, which is sort of wild. 2:43:33.520 --> 2:43:39.960 Oh yeah, actually so some something something I learned on 2:43:40.000 --> 2:43:42.280 a job once is that like, okay, so so like 2:43:42.320 --> 2:43:46.080 bart Razor wire is really scary stuff like it has 2:43:46.120 --> 2:43:47.959 like it has like anti clouding agents in it that 2:43:48.080 --> 2:43:51.680 like I've like on the wire, but I've gotten passed 2:43:51.680 --> 2:43:52.840 a lot of right there. Why yeah, well, but I 2:43:52.879 --> 2:43:54.360 mean the thing the thing about this right is that 2:43:54.480 --> 2:43:57.240 like you could just cut, like it's actually really easy 2:43:57.320 --> 2:44:00.200 to just cut, like the chains on the chain ink 2:44:00.480 --> 2:44:05.360 so many people people have very strong like you can 2:44:05.400 --> 2:44:07.160 just sort of do this and like this and this 2:44:07.200 --> 2:44:08.760 is this is useful for a lot of things, like example, 2:44:08.760 --> 2:44:10.120 if you have to break down sections of fences and 2:44:10.640 --> 2:44:13.200 fences in your lawn, like, yeah you can. You can 2:44:13.240 --> 2:44:15.760 do lots of fun things with boat cutters. Keep the kids, 2:44:15.760 --> 2:44:46.240 oh tin snaps, keep the kids off your loan. Yeah 2:44:47.320 --> 2:44:50.680 that's right. It's spooky weak. So it can happen here 2:44:51.240 --> 2:44:54.160 those with ghost noises if you hadn't realized, And that 2:44:54.240 --> 2:44:57.560 must mean that today we are doing a podcast about 2:44:57.640 --> 2:45:00.360 mass graves. What's going on? What the fu happening in 2:45:00.360 --> 2:45:05.680 the background? Running sounds, running water. We've summoned a fucking spirit? 2:45:06.400 --> 2:45:09.040 Where's that coming from? I don't hear it. I don't. 2:45:09.080 --> 2:45:11.920 I don't hear anything. Guys, you're just you don't hear it. 2:45:12.720 --> 2:45:17.400 It's gone now it's the podcast where we convince Garrison 2:45:17.480 --> 2:45:22.080 there's a ghost in the zoom machine. It's okay, I 2:45:22.120 --> 2:45:23.840 could I could like do a I could do a 2:45:23.879 --> 2:45:25.800 lesser bad as you go to the pentagram? Who really 2:45:25.840 --> 2:45:29.240 want to? It's fine, I'm not worried. I like the pentagram. 2:45:30.400 --> 2:45:34.840 That's what I'm tattooing on my children. Oh, nice me too. Yeah, 2:45:35.200 --> 2:45:37.240 you haven't done the forehead there like a coward, you've 2:45:37.240 --> 2:45:40.400 done there? Yeah? No, I mean elbow. Elbow is the 2:45:40.440 --> 2:45:43.080 way to go. So, Garrison, what do you know about 2:45:43.360 --> 2:45:47.880 mass graves? Um never been to one to my knowledge. Uh, 2:45:50.520 --> 2:45:53.320 they seem like they're not great. Usually they're a signifier 2:45:53.400 --> 2:45:56.880 that something something not great happened, a little bit of 2:45:56.879 --> 2:46:01.280 a noopsie. Uh yeah, you can be a way to 2:46:01.360 --> 2:46:05.000 hide one's mistakes. Certainly, where would you have yet to 2:46:05.040 --> 2:46:07.240 guess where the biggest mass grave in the world is? 2:46:07.280 --> 2:46:08.880 Where whe would you go for? Well, I know there's 2:46:08.879 --> 2:46:12.879 a lot of big ones in Canada. But if I'm 2:46:12.879 --> 2:46:17.080 going to guess, they call those schools in Canada and yeah, 2:46:17.320 --> 2:46:19.320 I would say, like Russia, maybe he has the biggest 2:46:19.320 --> 2:46:21.080 mass grave. I don't know. That's just like off the 2:46:21.080 --> 2:46:24.480 top of my head. No, it's not. It's you've got 2:46:24.480 --> 2:46:26.960 a guest sting. Oh No, I know where the biggest 2:46:26.959 --> 2:46:30.000 cemetery is, but I guess that's very different. Where is 2:46:30.000 --> 2:46:34.080 the biggest cemetery? I Rocky Rock has the world, and 2:46:34.080 --> 2:46:41.320 it's supposed to be haunted. So this one is not haunted. 2:46:41.600 --> 2:46:44.080 But as far as I can tell, it's the biggest 2:46:44.080 --> 2:46:49.040 mass grave in the world, about thirty four thousand people. Um. 2:46:49.280 --> 2:46:51.800 And this is in Spain. Spain does not get enough 2:46:51.800 --> 2:46:55.520 credit for it. It's mass graves. In fact, second only 2:46:55.560 --> 2:46:58.680 to Cambodia in the number of mass graves that it has. 2:46:59.280 --> 2:47:02.200 Spain has about a hundred and fifteen thousand people who 2:47:02.240 --> 2:47:07.320 were forcibly disappeared and are still buried in unidentified graves, 2:47:07.320 --> 2:47:10.600 but about thirty five four thousands of them are buried 2:47:10.600 --> 2:47:12.280 in the place we're going to talk about today, which 2:47:12.360 --> 2:47:15.160 is the Via de los Caidos or the Valley of 2:47:15.200 --> 2:47:20.560 the Fallen. So the Cailros is not only a mass grave, 2:47:20.680 --> 2:47:23.760 but it's also a Catholic basilica. It's also the largest 2:47:23.800 --> 2:47:27.360 basilica in the world, and it was built by one 2:47:28.000 --> 2:47:31.400 Francisco Franco, who was the dictator of Spain from the 2:47:31.640 --> 2:47:38.600 nineteen from nine. And it was also his own grave 2:47:38.800 --> 2:47:43.560 until when Spain dug him up, put him in a helicopter, 2:47:43.840 --> 2:47:46.000 flew him across the country so that no one could 2:47:46.680 --> 2:47:50.680 like car bomb or protest or otherwise desecrate his corpse, 2:47:51.280 --> 2:47:54.879 and buried him in another grave. So that's what I 2:47:54.879 --> 2:47:59.800 want to talk about it today. The vaa los caido, 2:48:00.160 --> 2:48:03.120 it means value of the fallen. Right. Incidentally, there's a 2:48:03.120 --> 2:48:05.800 film called Valley of the Dead, which I said, anyone 2:48:05.840 --> 2:48:08.160 else seen this? Was it just me who said to 2:48:08.160 --> 2:48:13.199 curse himself? Okay, just me? More of the shame. Yeah, 2:48:13.840 --> 2:48:16.920 many more people should be enjoying Spanish Civil War zombie 2:48:17.120 --> 2:48:21.960 fiction movies in which both sides come together to fight 2:48:22.040 --> 2:48:26.160 against the greater foe of the undead. Not actually a 2:48:26.200 --> 2:48:29.440 thing that happened. The value of the undead. Yeah, it 2:48:29.440 --> 2:48:31.520 could be called the value of the undead, but they didn't. 2:48:31.800 --> 2:48:34.720 They didn't quite get that far. Some of the least 2:48:34.720 --> 2:48:39.720 spectacular dubbing I've ever seen in a film like I'm 2:48:39.840 --> 2:48:44.560 used to watching, like English stuff dubbed in Spanish. But 2:48:44.680 --> 2:48:47.600 I don't think I've before seen something Spanish dubbed in 2:48:47.720 --> 2:48:52.400 like really cringe American English. It's not it's not great. No, 2:48:52.560 --> 2:48:54.720 it's not. But in a sense it is also great, 2:48:55.000 --> 2:48:59.640 but in you know, in a sort of enjoyably bad. 2:49:01.240 --> 2:49:03.720 But yeah, it is. It is very funny. It's on Netflix. 2:49:03.760 --> 2:49:07.680 It's free malon Nazis. I think it was called in Spanish, 2:49:07.720 --> 2:49:12.560 but Valley of the Dead in in English. People should 2:49:12.600 --> 2:49:14.879 check it out if they want a different spooky film 2:49:14.879 --> 2:49:18.600 towards his Halloween. So let's talk about the Valley of 2:49:18.640 --> 2:49:22.120 the Fallen. It was built under Franco's direction as kind 2:49:22.120 --> 2:49:25.000 of this national act of atonement for the Civil war, 2:49:25.200 --> 2:49:28.160 and at first he said it was going to be 2:49:28.959 --> 2:49:32.320 memorial to both sides, so that's like Valley of the Fallen. 2:49:32.959 --> 2:49:34.960 But well, first it was supposed to be a memorial 2:49:35.000 --> 2:49:38.800 to the martyrs of his glorious crusade against the Reds, 2:49:38.840 --> 2:49:43.879 against Adlinism, against Satanism, against all the things that are 2:49:43.920 --> 2:49:47.600 bad according to Franco's but it wasn't. Really, it was 2:49:47.680 --> 2:49:51.720 just a giant monument of Franco's national Catholic ideology, which 2:49:51.800 --> 2:49:53.840 kind of fuses in Nhure and the church in this 2:49:53.879 --> 2:49:58.160 one massive ball of terrible ship. It's designed in the 2:49:58.160 --> 2:50:01.400 neoclassical style, which fascists of fascist loves the neo classical 2:50:01.440 --> 2:50:04.959 style because they can like draw these direct lines between 2:50:05.040 --> 2:50:09.160 themselves and the empires of antiquity, right and except without 2:50:09.160 --> 2:50:13.000 the fucking paint, because their cowards and fools look white 2:50:13.000 --> 2:50:17.359 because they're tiny babies. This is true. Yeah, yeah, they 2:50:17.440 --> 2:50:20.199 never did the thing where they like bedazzled their statues 2:50:20.360 --> 2:50:23.360 like the Greeks and the Romans did. Most of shame, 2:50:23.440 --> 2:50:25.640 someone should bust in there with some glitter spray paint 2:50:25.720 --> 2:50:30.000 and tarted up a bit. I haven't done that, unfortunately. 2:50:30.040 --> 2:50:34.320 Look returned to tradition. Make your statues look cringe. Yeah, 2:50:34.360 --> 2:50:38.359 that's how they're supposed to look. Don't worry, the statues 2:50:38.400 --> 2:50:44.080 do look cringe, but unfortunately they're not shiny, which is disappointing. 2:50:44.120 --> 2:50:46.920 It it's built of granite, though, which I guess is 2:50:47.320 --> 2:50:51.440 kind of a return to tradition. It was built very 2:50:51.520 --> 2:50:55.240 near the Escoriale, which is like the resting place and 2:50:55.760 --> 2:50:59.520 palace of the Kings of Spain, and that's because Franco 2:50:59.640 --> 2:51:03.640 wants to row a link between himself and Philip the Second. Right. 2:51:03.720 --> 2:51:07.400 Philip the Second was the King of Spain, who, at 2:51:07.480 --> 2:51:10.480 the time that he ruled, ruled every continent that was 2:51:10.560 --> 2:51:14.800 known to European people, or ruled territory, and which is great, 2:51:14.800 --> 2:51:17.959 which is not a problem, of course, it's in fact 2:51:17.959 --> 2:51:22.440 good and an inbred old Spanish dude was ruling over 2:51:22.480 --> 2:51:26.160 places that he couldn't really conceive of and had never visited, 2:51:26.200 --> 2:51:29.640 and there are no problems with that, okay. So work 2:51:29.720 --> 2:51:33.360 begins on Vadlos Cairos in y right, it's a year 2:51:33.400 --> 2:51:36.200 after the end of the Spanish Civil War, and Franco 2:51:36.400 --> 2:51:38.440 decrees that he's going to make this memorial to the 2:51:38.440 --> 2:51:43.040 glorious national crusade against the Reds, and unbelievably he wanted 2:51:43.080 --> 2:51:47.400 work to be finished in a year, which obviously he's 2:51:47.440 --> 2:51:50.400 not operating in like reality because he's a piece of ship. 2:51:50.840 --> 2:51:55.920 But it took twenty years to build, right, So it 2:51:56.040 --> 2:52:03.200 was off by yeah, big construction, understand Francisco Franco. And 2:52:03.360 --> 2:52:08.080 like King Philip, he could have plunder the entire labor 2:52:08.120 --> 2:52:11.480 and capital of the America's to build his folly, and 2:52:11.520 --> 2:52:15.440 instead he relied on the forced labor of about twenty 2:52:15.520 --> 2:52:21.280 thousand prisoners of war. These were former Republicans, right, and 2:52:21.320 --> 2:52:24.920 they were forced to build a church. Obviously, many of 2:52:24.959 --> 2:52:28.840 them did not like the church, and we're not really 2:52:28.959 --> 2:52:32.400 very fond of building what is now the biggest Catholic 2:52:32.440 --> 2:52:34.600 cathed in the world actually, and it has the biggest 2:52:34.640 --> 2:52:37.039 cross in the world, which it shocked me that the 2:52:37.040 --> 2:52:39.320 biggest cross in the world wasn't in the United States, 2:52:41.520 --> 2:52:43.920 but I'm sure Ted Cruz is actively working on it 2:52:43.959 --> 2:52:48.760 as we speak. Yeah. I feel like if you walked 2:52:48.760 --> 2:52:51.240 around my hometown and told people at the biggest cross 2:52:51.240 --> 2:52:53.320 in the world was a Catholic one, they would immediately 2:52:53.320 --> 2:52:58.040 spent twenty trillion dollars building a bigger one. Yeah, I mean, 2:52:58.280 --> 2:53:00.960 the only thing that could convince them defund the police 2:53:01.000 --> 2:53:06.760 would be yeah, yeah, owning the Catholic cross. Maybe we 2:53:06.800 --> 2:53:09.520 should put that, we should enter that into the discourse 2:53:09.600 --> 2:53:16.080 on true social or something that Franco, of course, is 2:53:16.160 --> 2:53:18.600 not the only person buried there. Right right next to 2:53:18.640 --> 2:53:21.320 Franco in the center of the Basilica is his friend 2:53:21.440 --> 2:53:26.600 Jossi Antonio Primo de ri Veda. U Primo died exactly 2:53:26.680 --> 2:53:31.680 thirty nine years before Franco on the twenty November and 2:53:31.760 --> 2:53:33.960 he died because he was killed by the Republicans, which 2:53:34.000 --> 2:53:38.320 is based on good and and he has just little 2:53:38.360 --> 2:53:42.920 gravestone there next to Franco, which of course has not 2:53:43.000 --> 2:53:47.240 created any problems. After Spain it sort of began to 2:53:47.320 --> 2:53:51.360 transition to democracy and Franco died. It's of course not 2:53:51.400 --> 2:53:54.840 a bad thing to put a giant monument to fascism 2:53:54.879 --> 2:53:57.600 and francois m and nobody is going to turn up 2:53:57.640 --> 2:54:02.600 there and do a fascism in the years afterwards. Oh yeah, 2:54:02.760 --> 2:54:07.039 it's a little bit unfortunate. So there's every day at 2:54:07.080 --> 2:54:11.200 eleven o'clock a priest says a mass, and at the 2:54:11.360 --> 2:54:15.800 mass you can generally find old people who will sort 2:54:15.840 --> 2:54:18.840 of mill around for a while and then quietly start 2:54:18.879 --> 2:54:24.720 doing fascist salute, which is not which is not great. Yeah, 2:54:25.120 --> 2:54:27.640 to be comfortable first, yeah, well you got yeah, you 2:54:27.640 --> 2:54:31.080 gotta get like, you gotta example the vibes, and then 2:54:31.280 --> 2:54:34.000 do a fascism and the vibes here are probably not great. 2:54:34.879 --> 2:54:38.560 They also have acquire any acquire of small children who 2:54:39.600 --> 2:54:44.880 sing why because fucking what? Because everything about this is cursed. 2:54:45.680 --> 2:54:48.640 There's a film, there's a film about these old children 2:54:48.680 --> 2:54:53.000 who go to a quote unquote traditional school at the Basilica, 2:54:53.480 --> 2:54:55.720 which I can imagine it's great, and they learn all 2:54:55.800 --> 2:54:58.600 kinds of wonderful things about critical race theory. Yeah. So 2:54:58.640 --> 2:55:01.320 the priest also says a for the fate of Spain 2:55:01.879 --> 2:55:07.400 and the blessed blessed Martyrs, which really really is wonderful 2:55:07.600 --> 2:55:11.320 and perhaps points in the direction of the complicity of 2:55:11.360 --> 2:55:14.200 the Catholic Church in looks of the war crimes that 2:55:14.240 --> 2:55:17.720 we're going to talk about today. Second consecutive episode where 2:55:17.720 --> 2:55:20.680 the Catholic Church possible for the whole thing. Wow, I 2:55:20.720 --> 2:55:24.680 can't believe the Catholics did anything bad. No, it's shocking, 2:55:24.800 --> 2:55:27.760 isn't it, given their history of being kind and good 2:55:27.879 --> 2:55:33.200 and generally respectful towards people they disagree with. So true, James, Yeah, 2:55:33.520 --> 2:55:37.240 no problems with the Catholic Church. So this particular church 2:55:37.480 --> 2:55:40.840 is hun It's just a giant hole in a granite ridge, 2:55:40.959 --> 2:55:43.680 right again, a giant hole cup by the Fourth labor 2:55:43.720 --> 2:55:48.160 of Prisoners of War. It's called the Value the Fallen 2:55:48.200 --> 2:55:52.240 because today it houses the remains of about thirty three 2:55:52.280 --> 2:55:56.200 thousand people. And this is what makes it the biggest 2:55:56.240 --> 2:55:59.640 mass grave in the world. Right. The monuments register includes 2:55:59.720 --> 2:56:03.760 many of their names, and it has the motto kaidos 2:56:03.800 --> 2:56:09.200 portiosi Espana so fallen for God in Spain, which conveniently 2:56:09.440 --> 2:56:12.560 overlooks the fact that most of the people there didn't 2:56:12.560 --> 2:56:14.920 like God very much and really didn't like the version 2:56:14.920 --> 2:56:17.800 of Spain as being presented here either, right, because the 2:56:17.879 --> 2:56:20.880 vast majority of them were Republicans, people who would fought 2:56:20.879 --> 2:56:24.360 against Franco's idea of Spain and the civil war, and 2:56:24.520 --> 2:56:27.320 the bodies that came there really kind of came there 2:56:27.400 --> 2:56:30.920 in two distinct waves. And so, like I said, Spain 2:56:31.000 --> 2:56:35.199 has about a hundred and fourteen thousand odd people who 2:56:35.480 --> 2:56:39.440 are buried in unidentified grades. Right. The vast majority of 2:56:39.440 --> 2:56:43.240 these people are Republicans who were killed by Franco his forces, 2:56:43.280 --> 2:56:48.039 but some of them are not. Some of them are Francoists, Catholics, 2:56:48.400 --> 2:56:53.760 Carlist other like right wing fascist type people who were 2:56:53.840 --> 2:56:58.119 killed by the Republicans. Right now, the bulk of those 2:56:58.160 --> 2:57:02.280 people were dug up and I identified by the Francois 2:57:02.400 --> 2:57:04.440 regime in the time that he was in power, and 2:57:04.520 --> 2:57:06.800 many of them were moved to the value of the 2:57:06.800 --> 2:57:10.760 Fallen and they're identified there. But the majority of the 2:57:10.800 --> 2:57:14.879 people in the Valley of the Fallen were Republican people 2:57:15.400 --> 2:57:20.160 whose remains were taken without their consent from mass graves 2:57:20.560 --> 2:57:25.240 where they were victims of Franco's terror right, and they 2:57:25.240 --> 2:57:28.400 were moved to the value of the Fallen to be 2:57:28.520 --> 2:57:34.600 some kind of like weird pyramid sacrifice ritual. I don't 2:57:34.640 --> 2:57:38.320 have a a complete grasp of Catholicism, but I certainly 2:57:38.320 --> 2:57:42.640 don't understand this ship two sort of I don't know, 2:57:42.800 --> 2:57:49.279 make make Franco's temple more like spectacular and it's very strange. 2:57:49.320 --> 2:57:52.600 It's it's it's very cruel, right. I want to quote 2:57:53.360 --> 2:57:56.920 from the BBC article in two thousand and eleven that 2:57:57.040 --> 2:57:59.800 was written about one of these people, Jorge val Rico 2:58:00.320 --> 2:58:03.520 so Um Joe Vardrico Canales, was taken from his home 2:58:03.600 --> 2:58:06.080 in August n six in the middle of the night 2:58:06.640 --> 2:58:10.080 and shot by a Fascist execution squad. His town had 2:58:10.080 --> 2:58:12.440 fallen to the uprising and he had been singled out 2:58:12.480 --> 2:58:16.240 as a socialist in nineteen fifty nine. His remains were 2:58:16.320 --> 2:58:18.600 dug from a well and moved to the Valley of 2:58:18.640 --> 2:58:22.240 the Fallen. More than thirty thousand warded from both sides 2:58:22.240 --> 2:58:26.560 of transferred there on Franco's orders. For me, it's excruciatingly 2:58:26.600 --> 2:58:29.080 painful that my father's remained from a place built to 2:58:29.120 --> 2:58:32.520 the glory of the victors in the military coups Fausto, Canales. 2:58:33.160 --> 2:58:36.720 It feels like a double crime. First when he was executed, 2:58:37.280 --> 2:58:39.520 then when they moved his body without our permission to 2:58:39.600 --> 2:58:45.160 a place, which is totally inappropriate. H So that experienced 2:58:45.200 --> 2:58:51.360 Sally is far from uncommon, right between three, Like I said, 2:58:51.400 --> 2:58:54.680 about thirty thousand, these graves were dug up. Lots of 2:58:54.760 --> 2:58:59.400 these were like shallow roadside's graves. They were wells Some 2:58:59.520 --> 2:59:02.680 people were buried in graveyards and they were transferred to 2:59:02.800 --> 2:59:06.680 the valley. Sometimes they weren't transferred in their entirety. Incidentally, 2:59:07.640 --> 2:59:13.000 that's like they did. These mass graves are not well organized. 2:59:14.640 --> 2:59:18.440 So like to perhaps give some context here, like these 2:59:18.760 --> 2:59:21.680 they began in Spain began exhuming these mass graves in 2:59:22.240 --> 2:59:24.880 two thousand seven. Right, there was a historical memory law 2:59:24.959 --> 2:59:29.320 past h and they're often just just jumbles of corpses 2:59:29.360 --> 2:59:31.520 and bones. Right, some of these mass graves contain like 2:59:31.600 --> 2:59:35.320 a thousand people. I don't imagine them being like, hey, 2:59:35.400 --> 2:59:37.280 we're going to do a mass grave, now, you know 2:59:37.320 --> 2:59:40.240 what I mean like there was kind of digging a 2:59:40.280 --> 2:59:43.800 hole putting bodies in it. Yeah, yeah, it's fair to say. Yeah, 2:59:43.800 --> 2:59:46.880 no one made a good plan, which is unfortunate, isn't it. 2:59:47.040 --> 2:59:50.800 But yeah, they like they would were they would get 2:59:50.800 --> 2:59:53.600 all the people who they identified as socialist or feminist 2:59:53.800 --> 2:59:57.080 or otherwise objectionable to their vision of spanishness and then 2:59:57.160 --> 2:59:58.880 kill them all. Yeah, and then put them in a hole. 2:59:59.680 --> 3:00:01.760 He because they consider them to be less in human 3:00:02.640 --> 3:00:05.160 and they seemingly seem to have like dived into the 3:00:05.200 --> 3:00:07.200 hole and grab some bits and pieces and move them 3:00:07.240 --> 3:00:09.800 to the value of the fallen at some point. Wait, 3:00:09.879 --> 3:00:12.960 so wait, we like how are did okay? Like? Like 3:00:13.080 --> 3:00:16.480 what what actually? Like? How are like the bodies in 3:00:16.560 --> 3:00:18.920 the Valley of the Fallen like held? Like what arere they? 3:00:18.959 --> 3:00:21.480 Just like are they in like caskets? They just dump 3:00:21.560 --> 3:00:25.120 them in another hole? No, there are like there are 3:00:25.320 --> 3:00:27.920 like various it seems that there are various different like 3:00:28.000 --> 3:00:30.800 some of them are in these little stone there are 3:00:30.879 --> 3:00:34.280 like these little stone tomb looking things. But I don't 3:00:34.320 --> 3:00:37.360 think that those actually contain the remains. I think they're 3:00:37.400 --> 3:00:40.800 in these various pits. So they just it's it's another 3:00:41.520 --> 3:00:44.560 they moved from one mass grade another mass grade that 3:00:44.640 --> 3:00:47.400 they build a sacrifice temple over. Yeah, so they're now 3:00:47.560 --> 3:00:52.840 beginning to exhume the already exhumed bodies front that. So 3:00:52.959 --> 3:00:55.680 they're now digging up the valley of the fallen right 3:00:56.520 --> 3:01:00.160 to to identify these remains and Catalonia. How is a 3:01:00.280 --> 3:01:02.680 d N a registry? So if you believe that you're 3:01:03.080 --> 3:01:07.040 it would be like people of our generations grandparents. If 3:01:07.080 --> 3:01:09.640 you believe that your grandparents are in a mass grave, 3:01:09.720 --> 3:01:13.000 that they were disappeared, then you can register your DNA 3:01:13.200 --> 3:01:17.080 And they tested against the mass graves that they're excuming. Well, 3:01:17.680 --> 3:01:20.160 so that's how they that's how they identify people. And 3:01:21.200 --> 3:01:23.760 Christian Do you know what won't dig a mass grave 3:01:23.840 --> 3:01:32.640 and throw your grandparents in it? I cannot. Yeah, Black 3:01:32.800 --> 3:01:35.680 Rifle Coffee Company. Well I was just gonna go with 3:01:35.720 --> 3:01:43.520 Coca Cola. But well that's three options and we're back. Hopefully. 3:01:43.920 --> 3:01:46.800 There was no reference to mass graves in those adverts, 3:01:46.840 --> 3:01:50.440 but we can't promise you that. Sadly, they also can't 3:01:50.440 --> 3:01:53.600 promise you that there's mass graves they didn't talk about. Yeah, 3:01:53.720 --> 3:01:57.560 that's probably more likely, isn't it. Anyway, Enjoy that advert 3:01:57.600 --> 3:02:02.360 for Nestle. Moving on, some of these mass graves have 3:02:02.560 --> 3:02:05.560 been identified by a Spanish nonprofit group called Innovation and 3:02:05.720 --> 3:02:08.879 Human Rights, and they actually have this incredible data set 3:02:09.240 --> 3:02:12.520 specifically on the Valley of the Fallen where you can 3:02:12.640 --> 3:02:15.560 look up the location of the corpses that are there, right, 3:02:15.640 --> 3:02:20.440 so like where did these where the of the remains 3:02:20.440 --> 3:02:22.520 that have been identified from, where where do they come? 3:02:22.640 --> 3:02:27.040 And three thousand, nine d and two corpses. That's about 3:02:27.360 --> 3:02:30.880 seventy bus loads of dead people. If you want to 3:02:31.000 --> 3:02:35.360 imagine that they came from this small town of Taigona, 3:02:35.360 --> 3:02:37.880 which is where I used to live. That's that's not 3:02:38.040 --> 3:02:39.720 a big town. I was trying to think of like 3:02:39.800 --> 3:02:41.920 a California town to contextualize it by it, but I 3:02:42.000 --> 3:02:44.320 think most people would have heard of town sets more. 3:02:45.080 --> 3:02:51.680 I this despite being a pretty rural area. The camp 3:02:51.760 --> 3:02:55.640 to Tarragon that contain contributed about of the corpses that 3:02:55.720 --> 3:02:58.720 remain in the valley, and that's probably because it's part 3:02:58.760 --> 3:03:04.000 of Catalonia. Catalonia was Spain is a multi national state, 3:03:04.560 --> 3:03:07.160 so there are lots of nations within Spain, like Catalonia 3:03:07.160 --> 3:03:08.800 and the bas Country being the ones that people are 3:03:08.840 --> 3:03:13.600 most familiar with franco particularly hated Catalan separatists, and so 3:03:13.840 --> 3:03:18.040 as part of this ongoing punishment of Catalonia for like 3:03:18.200 --> 3:03:22.400 trying to leave Spain during the Civil War, the franco 3:03:22.560 --> 3:03:24.600 Is dug up the remains of the people they'd already 3:03:24.680 --> 3:03:27.560 murdered and moved them to a long way from Catalonia. 3:03:27.760 --> 3:03:32.720 Right the Vaidelis Gilos is near Madrid. Conditions for people 3:03:32.760 --> 3:03:36.240 who built the valley were pretty appalling to the workers 3:03:36.360 --> 3:03:40.680 and their families lived in these shacks. According to archaeologists 3:03:40.720 --> 3:03:43.480 who exhume them last year, Famili has lived in nine 3:03:43.800 --> 3:03:46.959 square sharks with no water electricity. They made shoes out 3:03:47.000 --> 3:03:50.279 of old tires, and they had no windows or no heating. 3:03:51.080 --> 3:03:54.080 Their beds were made of stone, and they and their 3:03:54.160 --> 3:03:59.240 children suffered from malnutrition. It's it's not particularly rare for 3:03:59.320 --> 3:04:02.000 people to have offered from malnutrition in Spain after the 3:04:02.040 --> 3:04:05.240 Civil War, this period was called the Years of Hunger. 3:04:05.879 --> 3:04:10.320 But even so, it seems like there was particular cruelty 3:04:10.879 --> 3:04:13.840 applied to these people, many of whom were serving sentences 3:04:13.920 --> 3:04:18.359 for things like forming unions or forming student political movements. 3:04:18.480 --> 3:04:22.160 Right like that, they were like they hadn't done anything wrong, 3:04:22.640 --> 3:04:25.880 that they were the victims of a totalitarian state. So 3:04:26.000 --> 3:04:30.720 one of those people is Nicolas Sanchez al Bognos. He 3:04:30.879 --> 3:04:35.080 was interviewed being a Catalan newspaper and Nathionale and he 3:04:35.920 --> 3:04:40.320 talks a lot about his memories there, and incidentally, he 3:04:40.640 --> 3:04:43.160 escaped after a few months with the help of Norman 3:04:43.240 --> 3:04:51.400 Mailer's sister. Yeah, yeah, yeah, based. She's incredibly based, actually, 3:04:51.920 --> 3:04:54.800 like yeah, she she like helped him escape and then 3:04:54.920 --> 3:05:01.040 ferried him across the Pyrenees to France, where he escaped 3:05:01.080 --> 3:05:04.840 into exile and Argentina lived for decades. And the only 3:05:04.920 --> 3:05:07.000 good well, okay, I was gonna I was gonna make 3:05:07.040 --> 3:05:11.800 an only good Argentinia and exile joke, but probably probably 3:05:11.920 --> 3:05:14.280 is actually genuinely worth mentioning that a lot, like a 3:05:14.360 --> 3:05:16.520 lot of people who were Jews fled to Argentina to 3:05:16.680 --> 3:05:19.920 like right before wor War two, and that's a huge thing. 3:05:20.040 --> 3:05:23.400 And you get people like calling them Nazis because they're 3:05:23.480 --> 3:05:25.640 fucking dumb as ship and it's like, guys, come fucking 3:05:25.680 --> 3:05:28.760 like if you can't teble between the Nazi and the 3:05:28.800 --> 3:05:31.600 people they were killing, like please stop. Okay, this has 3:05:31.600 --> 3:05:34.600 been my interlude about people doing this ship because oh 3:05:34.680 --> 3:05:38.280 my god, yeah, maybe maybe don't cast his persions, maybe 3:05:38.640 --> 3:05:42.080 do a little bit of reading first, and so yeah, 3:05:42.080 --> 3:05:43.560 a lot of people, a lot of them end up 3:05:43.560 --> 3:05:49.320 in in Argentine exile. Actually, ironically, Argentina also claimed universal jurisdiction. 3:05:50.760 --> 3:05:53.680 So what we've seen in the last few years, it's 3:05:53.760 --> 3:05:59.080 like Spanish historical memory groups trying to trying to get 3:05:59.200 --> 3:06:03.680 people who perpetrated crimes against humanity under Franco extradited to 3:06:03.840 --> 3:06:07.960 Argentina to be questioned, which which is also very funny 3:06:08.160 --> 3:06:11.800 given that Argentina has his own legacy of crimes against humanity, right, 3:06:12.560 --> 3:06:16.320 and Spain does his ship too. Actually, Spain claims universal jurisdiction, 3:06:16.920 --> 3:06:19.440 and we'll try and like extradite people who have done 3:06:19.480 --> 3:06:23.959 crimes against humanity in formerly colonized countries without Spain has 3:06:24.000 --> 3:06:26.760 not faced up to its own crimes against his own population. 3:06:26.879 --> 3:06:29.560 You know, I will say, I am entirely down for 3:06:29.720 --> 3:06:32.760 like intentionally starting some sort of like Spain Argentina like 3:06:32.879 --> 3:06:35.280 ship fast where both of them like get piste off 3:06:35.280 --> 3:06:37.440 with each other and start trying each other's war criminals. 3:06:37.879 --> 3:06:40.760 That's really funny. I would be better, I would be 3:06:40.879 --> 3:06:43.960 even more impressed to see, Um, are you familiar with 3:06:44.040 --> 3:06:51.680 who Balfava Thorn is? See that weird prosecutor guy? Yes, yes, yes, yeah, 3:06:52.280 --> 3:06:55.800 who tried to who tried to try US officials for 3:06:55.879 --> 3:07:00.880 crimes against humanity for the things they did at Guantanamobey. Yeah, 3:07:00.920 --> 3:07:03.400 it would be outstanding. I would love to see like 3:07:03.600 --> 3:07:06.160 Spain and the United States come to blows over like 3:07:06.280 --> 3:07:10.760 their respective crimes against humanity. It would be wonderful, Sandy, 3:07:10.920 --> 3:07:13.400 And like in Iraq too, I think he like, um, 3:07:14.200 --> 3:07:17.000 what was it called that? The do they call it 3:07:17.120 --> 3:07:20.400 enhanced interrogation techniques that they were using when they were 3:07:20.440 --> 3:07:23.600 like electrocuting people and such. Yeah, so like he tried 3:07:23.640 --> 3:07:26.880 to prosecute people for that. Sadly, like everything else in Spain, 3:07:27.240 --> 3:07:29.360 he strayed a little bit too close to looking at 3:07:29.400 --> 3:07:33.760 the corruption of the Spanish state and lost his position, 3:07:34.879 --> 3:07:37.680 which is a shame. He did some pretty chuddy ship himself, 3:07:37.760 --> 3:07:41.039 Like he very clearly presided over trials where people had 3:07:41.200 --> 3:07:45.240 very clearly been tortured and was just like, oh, that's 3:07:45.280 --> 3:07:48.000 interesting to see you in the witness box giving this testimony. 3:07:48.080 --> 3:07:49.720 I'm not going to note the fact that you've like 3:07:50.200 --> 3:07:54.560 very clearly been beaten to ship with a ninth stick. Yeah, 3:07:54.840 --> 3:07:59.240 Spain a country with no problems famously and so yeah, 3:08:00.480 --> 3:08:05.080 Albernos escapes. Actually there's a film called the Los Angeles Barbaros, 3:08:05.280 --> 3:08:11.360 the Barbara's Years, I guess, the Barbarian Years, which which 3:08:12.360 --> 3:08:14.400 looks at his escape, and he was one of only 3:08:14.440 --> 3:08:18.600 two people to be escaped. But people died building the 3:08:18.720 --> 3:08:21.640 Valley of the Fallen right and then were buried there 3:08:21.720 --> 3:08:27.240 in this weird monument to to Francoism. So, like I said, 3:08:27.760 --> 3:08:33.240 Spain really hasn't dealt with its legacy of of mass 3:08:33.320 --> 3:08:36.000 murder right um. And it never really had a Truth 3:08:36.040 --> 3:08:39.480 and Reconciliation commission, never really dealt with the amount of 3:08:39.560 --> 3:08:45.440 people murdered after the war. Um. And it's really only 3:08:45.520 --> 3:08:47.800 in the last like ten or fifteen years at Spain 3:08:47.920 --> 3:08:51.160 has begun digging up these mass graves. So um. And 3:08:51.280 --> 3:08:56.160 the Pedro Sanchez and the Socialist government they've they've begun 3:08:56.440 --> 3:08:58.520 doing more to deal with this. In two thousand and 3:08:58.640 --> 3:09:01.760 seven and earlier at his Sourcils government passes thing called 3:09:01.800 --> 3:09:05.440 the Law for Historical Memory, and the Law Historical Memory 3:09:05.640 --> 3:09:08.440 funded and the Recovery of the memory of the Civil 3:09:08.480 --> 3:09:14.840 war right, and you can draw very obvious parallels between 3:09:14.879 --> 3:09:16.720 how Spain has dealt with its civil war and its 3:09:16.760 --> 3:09:19.560 tradition to democracy and how the United States has dealt 3:09:19.600 --> 3:09:23.320 with its civil war right, and you will see like 3:09:23.440 --> 3:09:26.240 that there is um do you got do you know 3:09:26.320 --> 3:09:29.840 what voxes? Yeah, they're they're like the insane for a 3:09:29.959 --> 3:09:35.000 right party in Spain, Yes, and so fucking cringe, holy shit, 3:09:35.160 --> 3:09:37.160 even for the standards of our right parties, Like oh 3:09:37.240 --> 3:09:44.120 my fucking god, god, yeah, do they wear silly outfits? Yeah, 3:09:44.200 --> 3:09:45.920 I would imagine, so I don't. I don't think. I 3:09:45.959 --> 3:09:47.640 don't think there's ever been a picture of them, like 3:09:47.800 --> 3:09:50.920 where they haven't been in like the weirdest looking ship. 3:09:51.080 --> 3:09:54.920 Because occasionally some of the like Spanish fascists, were some 3:09:55.240 --> 3:09:59.160 pretty gay outfits. And it's really funny. Are you talking 3:09:59.240 --> 3:10:02.480 about the the phone legion, the ones who were like 3:10:03.680 --> 3:10:06.640 if Tom of Finland created a military Yes, yes, that 3:10:06.800 --> 3:10:09.880 is exactly who I'm referring to. Yeah, okay, yeah, they 3:10:10.160 --> 3:10:12.840 are not so much like outright fascists as a fashy 3:10:12.920 --> 3:10:19.080 military unit, but yes, yeah, it's I know, yeah, absolute 3:10:19.160 --> 3:10:23.040 first trap. Just like if people should google photos, if 3:10:23.080 --> 3:10:25.840 they haven't seen them. It'll occasionally pop up on like 3:10:26.360 --> 3:10:28.920 Twitter or something where people will find these incredibly butch 3:10:29.040 --> 3:10:31.960 dudes who like, like, it's not that they've unbuttoned their 3:10:32.000 --> 3:10:34.680 shirts just so just that their pecks are ripping out 3:10:34.720 --> 3:10:37.199 of their ship. No, it's their shirts are not equipped 3:10:37.280 --> 3:10:42.000 with buttons because ye like to be in that unit, 3:10:42.120 --> 3:10:45.000 you have to be so incredibly buff that you you 3:10:45.120 --> 3:10:48.920 start buttoning your shirt from the navel down, and which, 3:10:49.000 --> 3:10:51.879 to be fair, is more appropriate in Spain. I remember, 3:10:52.000 --> 3:10:54.640 like I used to teach in Spain and then I 3:10:54.720 --> 3:10:56.600 taught in the United States and like coming back and 3:10:56.680 --> 3:10:58.560 being like, oh, I really have to change the way 3:10:58.600 --> 3:11:03.600 I dress to be appropriate for an American audience. Yeah, 3:11:03.680 --> 3:11:06.520 the to get back to mass graves and away from 3:11:06.680 --> 3:11:12.360 tactical first traps. The what Spain didn't have right was 3:11:12.680 --> 3:11:16.480 like Franco didn't get hung upside down from a gas 3:11:16.520 --> 3:11:19.240 station and beaten with sticks in the face. Right, more's 3:11:19.320 --> 3:11:22.879 the shame. There's still time, right, his body, his body 3:11:22.920 --> 3:11:26.920 is still available for beating. You know, maybe maybe they 3:11:26.920 --> 3:11:30.880 wouldn't be the worst thing. But Spain never really faced 3:11:30.920 --> 3:11:34.960 its past, right. So in seven and amnesty law was passed, 3:11:35.000 --> 3:11:38.280 which prevented any criminal investigation into the crimes committed in 3:11:38.320 --> 3:11:42.520 the Franco years. Um statues of Franco some of them 3:11:42.560 --> 3:11:46.080 were not moved until like the last five or ten years, 3:11:46.120 --> 3:11:49.040 and when they were removed, and it was like the 3:11:49.160 --> 3:11:51.040 government just went in in the night and scooped them 3:11:51.120 --> 3:11:54.000 up and no one really said anything and then they 3:11:54.040 --> 3:11:58.720 were gone. And so like Spain has only really really 3:11:58.800 --> 3:12:02.160 recently entered into this period like that we call its 3:12:02.240 --> 3:12:09.640 second transition, and that's like it's transition from Spain began 3:12:09.680 --> 3:12:12.680 transitioning to democracy in right, but what we call the 3:12:12.760 --> 3:12:16.520 period after that, it's more of a post dictatorship then, 3:12:16.800 --> 3:12:21.640 like a complete democratic transition in Spain was still processing 3:12:22.280 --> 3:12:25.800 as you can see, right, many of its crimes under Franco, 3:12:25.920 --> 3:12:29.080 and it's it's really only begun to process those in 3:12:29.160 --> 3:12:32.800 the last few years. So that gets us up to 3:12:34.240 --> 3:12:38.760 the oh that I think election of Pedro Sanche's right 3:12:38.760 --> 3:12:45.800 in the Socialist government and um their decision to exhume Franco. Right, 3:12:45.840 --> 3:12:48.520 So Franco's Franco's lying in this monument. Right, it's the 3:12:48.520 --> 3:12:51.400 biggest mass grave in the world. And on the day 3:12:51.440 --> 3:12:55.200 of his death on the twenty February every year. It's 3:12:55.560 --> 3:12:58.840 it's a gathering place for fascists. Right, So Franco and 3:12:58.959 --> 3:13:01.960 Primo daily Vera both died on the same day, and 3:13:03.760 --> 3:13:06.400 fascists and casualists both love this this kind of weird 3:13:06.480 --> 3:13:14.400 spiritual magic shit and really really yeah yeah, I've heard, 3:13:14.720 --> 3:13:18.480 I know there are some books about it apparently, uh 3:13:18.560 --> 3:13:23.440 huh yeah, okay, so yeah, it's said that both of 3:13:23.520 --> 3:13:26.600 them have a fundness for this stuff. So then both 3:13:26.680 --> 3:13:29.080 dying on the same day, it's an extremely fucking cursed 3:13:29.200 --> 3:13:34.240 thing that has led to sucks. Mm hmm. It sucks 3:13:34.280 --> 3:13:36.320 if you if you ever have to go near this 3:13:36.360 --> 3:13:39.360 place on the twenty November, which I don't recommend. Oh god, 3:13:39.400 --> 3:13:42.480 I could only imagine that must be well, that must 3:13:42.480 --> 3:13:45.680 be the worst time. Yeah, because it's all because it's 3:13:45.720 --> 3:13:53.560 all of the nerdiest Nazis like yeah, it's like yeah, yeah, 3:13:53.680 --> 3:13:57.640 it's like if if like nerdy like Nazi internet people 3:13:57.720 --> 3:14:00.480 had a real life place to gather and just do 3:14:00.720 --> 3:14:04.920 fucking fascist salutes, that sounds like it sounds horrible. The 3:14:05.000 --> 3:14:08.920 fascist with a calendar like no, yeah, the calendar who's 3:14:08.959 --> 3:14:15.240 like into praying. It's like, yeah, really really really into praying. 3:14:16.520 --> 3:14:19.360 I'm just I'm just gonna say this, if the if 3:14:19.400 --> 3:14:21.560 the anarchists were in charge of you wouldn't be having 3:14:21.760 --> 3:14:27.560 fucking stupid, cringe pray fascist meetings. This can be prevented, 3:14:28.120 --> 3:14:32.280 then can rise a third time. Sure, but it is 3:14:32.480 --> 3:14:34.480 the nerdiest thing ever to think about a fascist like 3:14:34.600 --> 3:14:38.280 updating their Google calendar being like, yeah, for all their 3:14:38.360 --> 3:14:42.520 spiritual holidays where their leaders died, why do they always 3:14:42.560 --> 3:14:45.320 celebrate the day that their leaders died. It's always the 3:14:45.400 --> 3:14:50.840 weirdest for us. It's a death cut, right, like, like, 3:14:51.520 --> 3:14:54.240 like their leader dying, is this is the moment when 3:14:54.280 --> 3:14:57.280 they finally expressed the pure core of fascism. That's true. 3:14:57.400 --> 3:14:59.840 That that's actually a really good observation that actually is 3:15:00.879 --> 3:15:04.000 is more on the point than what it should be, right, Yeah, 3:15:04.280 --> 3:15:10.960 immortalizing them on that day, yeah, I mean was the 3:15:11.120 --> 3:15:18.440 slogan of the did the African the African Army, Like yeah, 3:15:18.560 --> 3:15:20.520 I think it spains for a legion actually like long 3:15:20.600 --> 3:15:23.720 lived death. And they called themselves like, yes, that is 3:15:23.760 --> 3:15:27.120 their slogan. They called themselves the what's it called the 3:15:27.400 --> 3:15:31.400 Fiances of Death. Yeah, they're they're they're all gay because 3:15:31.400 --> 3:15:34.920 they're all married to death, which is pretty metal. They're 3:15:34.920 --> 3:15:37.039 also kind of fashy. But yeah, that that that does 3:15:37.160 --> 3:15:42.920 really showcase the whole death cult aspect of fascism. Yeah, 3:15:43.160 --> 3:15:46.880 you know, you know what it isn't a gay necromancer again, 3:15:46.959 --> 3:15:51.039 we can't promise. I wish, I wish we could advertise 3:15:51.160 --> 3:15:56.960 some more recollect I would, I would be in my element. Yeah, 3:15:57.000 --> 3:15:58.600 I've just done an ad read for a couple of them. 3:15:58.640 --> 3:16:00.880 Actually I should have should have. Let you know, I 3:16:01.240 --> 3:16:03.680 am the so jealous. That's all, that's all I want 3:16:03.720 --> 3:16:07.240 out of life. Yeah, please enjoy these gay necromanty products 3:16:07.240 --> 3:16:10.120 and services. Okay, we're back. I hope you enjoyed that 3:16:10.160 --> 3:16:13.960 as much as we did. So. The incredibly cringe and 3:16:14.200 --> 3:16:18.920 just boomerie fascist cerelevation on Franco's death and Primo de 3:16:19.080 --> 3:16:23.840 Rivera's death on November always happened at the Vidloskidis, right, 3:16:23.840 --> 3:16:26.320 they would turn up in two thousand and ten Spain 3:16:26.440 --> 3:16:30.480 band like fascist symbolism. But this hasn't really stopped fascist 3:16:30.560 --> 3:16:33.680 doing fascist symbolism right, including bringing there for land flags, 3:16:34.520 --> 3:16:39.240 giving it the fascist salute, marching and to just generally 3:16:39.360 --> 3:16:44.600 doing like cringe like where where like our OTC cosplay 3:16:44.680 --> 3:16:49.080 meet meets the Catholic Church stuff on the twenty November 3:16:49.120 --> 3:16:52.680 of a year at Franco's grave and like there are 3:16:52.760 --> 3:16:56.120 always flowers on Franco's grave, Like you can't go there 3:16:56.200 --> 3:17:00.800 on a given day and not find someone like lamenting 3:17:00.879 --> 3:17:02.680 the fact that Franco is dead and they can no 3:17:02.800 --> 3:17:07.320 longer just disappear people they disagree with. Right It's ship 3:17:08.440 --> 3:17:12.680 And so incidentally an amusing sort of side effect of 3:17:12.760 --> 3:17:15.600 this with that, do you remember the storm Area fifty 3:17:15.680 --> 3:17:23.760 one like Facebook thing? Yeah? Yeah, the right Area challenge 3:17:23.959 --> 3:17:28.120 like last year or two years ago, yeah, three years ago, 3:17:28.879 --> 3:17:33.080 I didn't a lot longer ago. It does it? Also 3:17:33.440 --> 3:17:37.040 it also feels like a very thing. Yeah. So the 3:17:37.120 --> 3:17:42.160 Spanish version of this was Invade via los Cailos, with 3:17:42.320 --> 3:17:45.240 the slogan that like if the state, the state can't 3:17:45.240 --> 3:17:54.360 get him, if we get him first. I don't think 3:17:54.440 --> 3:17:57.080 this was an anarchist attempt to steal his body, but 3:17:57.320 --> 3:18:00.320 like massive respect of it was I think to some 3:18:00.760 --> 3:18:03.720 extremely online people doing something that they thought was and 3:18:03.879 --> 3:18:09.480 actually is funny, which is yeah, like unfortunately it didn't 3:18:09.560 --> 3:18:12.560 really come too much because they plan to do this 3:18:12.600 --> 3:18:18.240 on the twenty November and in October, Franco's body was 3:18:18.400 --> 3:18:21.280 removed from the Valley of the Fallen. Okay, see this, 3:18:21.480 --> 3:18:22.959 this is this is the thing with all of these things. 3:18:22.959 --> 3:18:24.680 That's the same thing with the fucking stuff cony thing. 3:18:24.760 --> 3:18:27.400 Like the problem that all of these groups have if 3:18:27.440 --> 3:18:29.160 they want to do is they always set their date 3:18:29.280 --> 3:18:33.240 too far out, Like you gotta give it like max. 3:18:33.320 --> 3:18:35.000 It has to be like two weeks out, because if 3:18:35.280 --> 3:18:39.880 it's any longer than that, you momentum, Yeah, you get scooped. 3:18:40.200 --> 3:18:41.920 So look, I if you, if you, if you, if 3:18:41.959 --> 3:18:43.720 you want to seize the body of a dead dictator 3:18:43.760 --> 3:18:46.560 and throw them into a canal, you have to move fast. 3:18:46.959 --> 3:18:53.240 And that's why I'm announcing that for for November nineteenth. 3:18:53.320 --> 3:18:56.680 We're all now, we probably shouldn't go to Russia to 3:18:57.440 --> 3:18:59.760 have fun with trotsky body. Should be Yeah, we're going. 3:19:00.000 --> 3:19:03.760 He's Trotsky's body in Russia. Yeah, I thought so. I know. 3:19:03.879 --> 3:19:07.800 I've seen back from Mexico. I have had I've had 3:19:07.959 --> 3:19:11.880 friends that have gone places to make fun of Trotsky's body. Um, 3:19:13.320 --> 3:19:17.360 len his body. Lenning's body is up for grabs, like okay, 3:19:17.520 --> 3:19:22.000 it's just sitting there. Well, I think we should start small. 3:19:22.320 --> 3:19:25.240 Let's encourage the fans of the podcast between now and 3:19:25.360 --> 3:19:28.440 what we got right, but now in eleventh of November, right, 3:19:28.760 --> 3:19:33.200 go after Papa doctor Valier, get get him start you 3:19:33.280 --> 3:19:37.360 know that, and then move on from there. Okay, it 3:19:37.560 --> 3:19:41.080 is it's in Mexico. Yeah, you're right closer to the 3:19:41.200 --> 3:19:44.520 sort of geographical heartland, and we don't need to go 3:19:44.600 --> 3:19:47.480 into a war zone. So yeah, and the middle of November, 3:19:47.560 --> 3:19:52.360 we're all going to be going going to Mexico road trip. Yep, yeah, 3:19:52.440 --> 3:19:54.200 let's go. You know, I will say there is something 3:19:54.280 --> 3:19:58.440 genuinely interesting here about the way that like, okay, so 3:19:59.320 --> 3:20:01.880 you look at sort of fascisms, sorry, you look at 3:20:01.920 --> 3:20:03.880 fascism's death drive in the way that it's sort of 3:20:03.879 --> 3:20:06.440 like treats these money means to death. And then like 3:20:06.680 --> 3:20:08.400 you look at the way that every single sort of 3:20:08.480 --> 3:20:12.760 like like all of this say, socialist regimes, Like it's 3:20:12.800 --> 3:20:14.440 not so much that they have a death drive, but 3:20:14.520 --> 3:20:17.160 it's like they're like all of them. Like I learned 3:20:17.200 --> 3:20:19.520 this recently, Like so I knew that they didn't too, 3:20:19.640 --> 3:20:22.280 that they'd like embalmed Stalin, right, and like well they 3:20:22.320 --> 3:20:27.520 involved Lenin, they embalm maw. Yeah. They they also learned 3:20:27.520 --> 3:20:30.160 they did it to Chi Minh too. It's like it's 3:20:30.160 --> 3:20:31.600 like they did it's like all of these people, and 3:20:31.640 --> 3:20:34.080 it's like there there's there's this sort of weird, like 3:20:35.040 --> 3:20:40.040 almost in version of it where it's like like fascism 3:20:40.160 --> 3:20:41.720 is based sort of on like you know, like on 3:20:41.800 --> 3:20:44.359 on the sort of totalizing worship of death, whereas Stalinism 3:20:44.480 --> 3:20:46.240 is like it has this kind of inversion of it 3:20:46.280 --> 3:20:49.160 where it's like it's based on like a kind of 3:20:49.240 --> 3:20:53.760 like eternal life for their leaders in this also incredibly 3:20:53.840 --> 3:20:56.680 bizarre way. And then when it be like all of 3:20:56.760 --> 3:21:00.840 Europe is determined by previous like talitarian legions, but there's 3:21:00.879 --> 3:21:04.640 there's something, there's something orthodox about the way they've done 3:21:04.680 --> 3:21:07.879 the dead Russian dudes. So I want to talk about 3:21:07.879 --> 3:21:09.400 Franco's corpse a little bit, and then I want to 3:21:09.480 --> 3:21:11.520 end with something else, because I don't want to just 3:21:11.600 --> 3:21:14.280 focus on Spanish fascists because they suck and I hate them, 3:21:14.879 --> 3:21:17.760 and I am sad that they are not all dead, 3:21:17.840 --> 3:21:21.920 but Franco is. So Franco's family weren't allowed to use 3:21:22.000 --> 3:21:26.000 the Spanish flag on his coffin. Yeah, so instead they 3:21:26.080 --> 3:21:29.199 fucking got the Franco with flag, right, the old nationalist flag, 3:21:29.280 --> 3:21:32.880 which because they have filth, they did that. Instead, they 3:21:32.959 --> 3:21:35.720 carried his coffin onto a helicopter. They flew in by 3:21:35.760 --> 3:21:41.160 helicopter to Madrid, where the services provided over by a 3:21:41.280 --> 3:21:44.080 priest who is the son of Lieutenant Colonel Antonio to 3:21:44.160 --> 3:21:47.400 head on Molina, the man who led the failed Night 3:21:47.560 --> 3:21:51.800 One coup that attempted to topple spaine young democracy. And 3:21:52.640 --> 3:21:55.200 great to see this continuation of these elites, right like, 3:21:55.520 --> 3:21:57.840 this is a this is a country which has of 3:21:57.920 --> 3:22:02.240 course moved on completely from its civil warren dictatorship. On 3:22:02.320 --> 3:22:05.600 the post off side, Franco is now buried with his wife, 3:22:06.360 --> 3:22:08.880 and he is very near to Luis Carrero Blanco, who 3:22:09.040 --> 3:22:12.520 people will remember as a podcast alumni in Spain's first astronaut. 3:22:13.920 --> 3:22:17.600 And so I was going to quote Vox, but I 3:22:17.680 --> 3:22:22.160 won't because they fucking suck and now wants you quote Fox. 3:22:22.760 --> 3:22:26.160 You should just like throw fruit at them, And I 3:22:26.240 --> 3:22:30.760 think that's like that's not an actionable threat, right, just sure, sure, 3:22:31.480 --> 3:22:33.959 don't throw like any fruit sort of potentially lethal, right, 3:22:34.040 --> 3:22:37.240 like like a large watermelon or something potentially fatal, like 3:22:37.360 --> 3:22:41.200 just a banana or if you know, the Vox representatives 3:22:41.240 --> 3:22:43.240 like allergic to a fruit you throw at them and 3:22:43.280 --> 3:22:45.920 gets on their face and they die and it gets 3:22:45.959 --> 3:22:49.160 blamed on James. We all get taken into a year's 3:22:49.240 --> 3:22:51.840 long lawsuit and then we all lose their jobs. Don't 3:22:51.840 --> 3:22:55.040 do that. Don't do that. No blame someone else for that. 3:22:55.320 --> 3:22:58.640 You can if you are directing the police to me 3:22:58.800 --> 3:23:01.160 in Spain, they can to take me by Twitter DM 3:23:01.200 --> 3:23:05.360 by Twitter is at at chopped at Chapel Trappers, That's 3:23:05.400 --> 3:23:10.959 where you can find me. Yeah, yeah, it sell traps. Okay. 3:23:11.640 --> 3:23:17.040 So of course Fox make exactly the same bullshit destroying 3:23:17.120 --> 3:23:19.680 history argument and the Confederates make in the United States. 3:23:19.760 --> 3:23:23.200 It doesn't make them anymore right because they're in fact wrong. 3:23:23.959 --> 3:23:29.440 But incidentally, someone else died on November and that is 3:23:29.520 --> 3:23:34.160 one boilivant duty right. Unlike Franco, he's not buried in 3:23:34.240 --> 3:23:38.320 a monument made both fucking slaves. He's buried alongside other 3:23:38.360 --> 3:23:42.440 anarchists in in Barcelona. You can visit his grave there. 3:23:43.160 --> 3:23:45.520 It's very cool. You can always meet interesting people hanging 3:23:45.600 --> 3:23:48.960 around his grave. And if you're in Bathonia you should 3:23:48.959 --> 3:23:51.960 do it. Rutty died in the middle of the Battle 3:23:51.959 --> 3:23:56.720 of Madrid, like so many other Spanish anarchists. He died. 3:23:57.800 --> 3:24:00.960 It's lunclear actually if he died because some and negligently 3:24:01.040 --> 3:24:04.080 discharged their own weapon into his back, and which seems 3:24:04.080 --> 3:24:06.440 to be the most likely case, or leading a frontal 3:24:06.520 --> 3:24:09.080 charge on a machine gun, which which is how so 3:24:09.240 --> 3:24:13.119 many Spanish anarchists died because they were so utterly convinced 3:24:13.200 --> 3:24:16.560 of their incredible like and they're not wrong either, they 3:24:16.600 --> 3:24:20.240 were right about most things, but like you get, their 3:24:20.280 --> 3:24:24.080 willingness to die for anarchism was perhaps a little bit problematic. Well, 3:24:24.120 --> 3:24:25.600 I mean this is this is like a thing across 3:24:25.600 --> 3:24:27.160 the whole history of anarchism, like like part one of 3:24:27.200 --> 3:24:28.840 the reasons that the Russian Revolution went the way they 3:24:28.959 --> 3:24:31.640 did was that, like it's like the sort of like 3:24:31.760 --> 3:24:34.120 first crop of Russian anarchists, like the moment the White 3:24:34.120 --> 3:24:36.000 are formed immediately just went to the front lines and 3:24:36.040 --> 3:24:38.560 all got killed and like Lenning and meanwhile letting in 3:24:38.640 --> 3:24:42.680 Trotsky are like fucking chilling and letting like sucking Patrick 3:24:42.680 --> 3:24:45.879 Grad being like yeah, which exactly what happened in Spain, 3:24:46.080 --> 3:24:49.960 right like Ferrara, all these people like get to the 3:24:50.040 --> 3:24:55.279 front lines and immediately start killing fascists. Meanwhile tanky people. 3:24:56.360 --> 3:24:59.800 I was gonna say something else, um, like spending that 3:25:00.040 --> 3:25:02.760 time plotting and scheming to from becoming a completely fucking 3:25:02.760 --> 3:25:06.440 irrelevant political force in Spain to taking over in a 3:25:06.560 --> 3:25:09.480 year and a half because they are the only people 3:25:09.480 --> 3:25:12.640 are willing to provide weapons and many of the anarchists 3:25:12.640 --> 3:25:15.960 are dead. What were you going to call take people? 3:25:16.240 --> 3:25:20.119 I can't what were you going to call? Take people? 3:25:24.320 --> 3:25:26.800 It just makes me angry, and it's just gonna just 3:25:27.200 --> 3:25:33.840 that's that is that is an ovisive answer, etcetera. Yeah, 3:25:34.160 --> 3:25:36.720 it's just gonna say scum or filth or British swear 3:25:37.360 --> 3:25:40.960 I can't use on the podcast because of fans American people, 3:25:41.520 --> 3:25:45.600 which is fine. Um, yeah, it's disappointing. I don't want 3:25:45.640 --> 3:25:51.440 to be canceled by work mob. Okay, yeah he did 3:25:51.480 --> 3:25:56.400 Australian moments. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. I nearly went full Australian, which, 3:25:56.560 --> 3:25:59.200 like I've done it before on television and it just 3:25:59.280 --> 3:26:03.840 doesn't end well, all right? Uh in Spanish not English 3:26:04.840 --> 3:26:08.400 which also Spanish wordy November in Spain this year it 3:26:08.400 --> 3:26:10.400 will be like what three weeks when people are listening 3:26:10.440 --> 3:26:14.160 to this some fascist ship head. If you live in 3:26:14.200 --> 3:26:17.600 a town in Spain will be walking around doing shitty 3:26:17.680 --> 3:26:20.920 fascist things, and people who live in Spain of course 3:26:21.000 --> 3:26:22.960 very aware of this, but I wanted to finish it 3:26:23.040 --> 3:26:25.960 said with another thing that anti fascists in Spain doing November. 3:26:26.640 --> 3:26:29.960 So on the fifteenth of November this year, anti fascists 3:26:29.959 --> 3:26:32.760 all over Spain will be gathering to remember fifteen years 3:26:32.840 --> 3:26:37.440 without Carlos Palomino. People might not know who Carlos Palomino is, 3:26:37.680 --> 3:26:40.320 but I want to very briefly recap his story to 3:26:40.440 --> 3:26:43.320 finish up. So on the eleventh of November two thousand 3:26:43.400 --> 3:26:46.520 and seven, Carlos Palomino and about a hundred other anti 3:26:46.600 --> 3:26:49.840 fascists got on the subway in Madrid to counter protest 3:26:49.879 --> 3:26:53.240 a right wing rally and Luca, an immigrant neighborhood that's 3:26:53.280 --> 3:26:56.760 home to mcgrid's Chinatown today. On the train on the 3:26:56.800 --> 3:26:58.760 way there, he ran into a twenty year old Spanish 3:26:58.840 --> 3:27:04.840 soldier or say hoss ware estebanners uh Estebanez was dressed 3:27:04.840 --> 3:27:07.360 in clothes I I don't want to talk about the 3:27:07.360 --> 3:27:11.240 brand actually because you shouldn't hype market Nazis, but the 3:27:11.800 --> 3:27:14.520 clothes showed that he was a far right skinhead. Right 3:27:15.440 --> 3:27:20.879 Carlos Palomino notices Estebanners, takes offense at Carlos Palomino, noting 3:27:21.040 --> 3:27:27.280 his Nazi clothes, and stabs him with a machette. Yeah, 3:27:27.640 --> 3:27:31.320 he stabbed someone else as well, but unfortunately, Carlos dies 3:27:31.360 --> 3:27:34.360 pretty quickly. He was sixteen years old at the time 3:27:34.400 --> 3:27:37.600 of his death. He was the only child of his mother, 3:27:37.760 --> 3:27:39.760 and he lived with his mom, who was separated from 3:27:39.800 --> 3:27:43.120 his dad and his grandmother. And it affected his mother, 3:27:43.360 --> 3:27:45.840 as one can imagine, pretty terribly right the loss of 3:27:46.080 --> 3:27:49.560 loss of her young son, and as a result, his 3:27:49.680 --> 3:27:52.800 mother has become a prominent anti fascist activist in Spain. 3:27:53.879 --> 3:27:57.000 She founded the Association of the Victims of Fascist, racist 3:27:57.080 --> 3:28:01.520 and Homophobic Violence, and ten years after his death, a 3:28:01.560 --> 3:28:04.960 thousand people turned out and a memorial to him, and 3:28:05.720 --> 3:28:09.080 ever like ever since he died, every year you'll see 3:28:09.120 --> 3:28:13.280 these massive rallies in Spain of anti fascists. If you've 3:28:13.400 --> 3:28:16.360 ever seen do you remember, like a year or so ago, 3:28:16.480 --> 3:28:18.400 there was this video going around trip and there was 3:28:18.400 --> 3:28:22.280 a group of people chanting like a kiss anti fascist US. 3:28:22.640 --> 3:28:26.800 Here are the anti fascists. I see such videos on 3:28:26.840 --> 3:28:29.280 Twitter all the time, so I don't I don't, I 3:28:29.320 --> 3:28:32.480 don't know it like, it gained relevance among people who 3:28:32.760 --> 3:28:36.640 I've never seen engaging with Spain in any before. And 3:28:36.760 --> 3:28:41.119 it was a huge rally one thousands of people came 3:28:41.160 --> 3:28:44.119 out to remember him, and I'm sure thousands of people 3:28:44.160 --> 3:28:48.560 will this year too, Like we've Spain's like it's Spain's 3:28:48.640 --> 3:28:50.560 right for a long time tried to couch itself in 3:28:50.680 --> 3:28:53.320 terms of the neoliberal center right. Yes, so like the 3:28:53.400 --> 3:28:57.040 Partio Popular would see itself in terms of like maybe 3:28:57.080 --> 3:29:01.320 the Tories in Britain or Editories are pretty pretty mental, 3:29:01.959 --> 3:29:04.760 but like this this kind of neoliberal European right. Yeah, 3:29:04.800 --> 3:29:10.279 and it it broadly sort of wanted to see itself 3:29:10.320 --> 3:29:14.720 as part of this like post fascist European right. But 3:29:15.000 --> 3:29:18.720 in recent years it's just taken this this swing towards 3:29:18.800 --> 3:29:21.920 the hard right, like Vox has emerged, and even the 3:29:21.959 --> 3:29:24.880 Partido Popular, which would have seen itself as like neoliberal right, 3:29:25.080 --> 3:29:28.480 have tried to like outbox Vox and they're now like 3:29:29.160 --> 3:29:33.760 just openly standing Francoism again. And in this climate, anti 3:29:33.800 --> 3:29:38.480 Fancism has also seen itself resurgent. I guess we're an 3:29:38.480 --> 3:29:41.040 anti fascist identities in Spain and more relevant or more 3:29:41.360 --> 3:29:45.240 common than they would have been ten fift twenty years 3:29:45.280 --> 3:29:49.120 ago something like that. And as a result, these memorials 3:29:49.160 --> 3:29:50.920 for Carlos who become bigger and bigger for a year, 3:29:51.120 --> 3:29:54.160 and so I wanted to end with a letter his 3:29:54.400 --> 3:29:57.520 mum rate to global anti fascist collectives in two thousand 3:29:57.520 --> 3:30:01.400 and eleven in our memor reason, all the anti fascist 3:30:01.440 --> 3:30:04.120 victims will always exist who are fighting for a world 3:30:04.160 --> 3:30:07.400 of equality, dignity, freedom and social rights were killed by 3:30:07.440 --> 3:30:11.120 the ideas of intolerance and fascism. The memory will exist 3:30:11.360 --> 3:30:13.960 for all those victims who, due to their different cultures, 3:30:14.000 --> 3:30:17.760 religions or sexual orientations, were murdered by the same murdering 3:30:17.879 --> 3:30:21.840 hands who hate those who are different. Now it's time 3:30:21.920 --> 3:30:24.680 to continue working against hate. That is the best tribute 3:30:24.720 --> 3:30:27.520 Weekend offer. Their struggles were not in vain. We will 3:30:27.560 --> 3:30:30.440 continue the path, although they are no longer with us 3:30:30.920 --> 3:30:34.120 in every action of anti fascist struggle. They're inside and 3:30:34.200 --> 3:30:37.120 in each and every one of our hearts, which I 3:30:37.160 --> 3:30:40.640 thought was really poignant. His mother is amazing. Yeah, this 3:30:40.720 --> 3:30:44.280 whole thing fucking breaks me. Like I was think this 3:30:44.400 --> 3:30:46.200 was a time when like I too, was being a 3:30:46.280 --> 3:30:50.280 teenage anti fascist in Spain, and this is someone who's 3:30:50.480 --> 3:30:55.960 like almost exactly my age and obviously isn't alive anymore. 3:30:56.959 --> 3:30:59.960 And yeah, i'd encourage people to read more about him. 3:31:01.320 --> 3:31:05.400 I normally share these events on social media when they happen. 3:31:06.480 --> 3:31:09.120 And yeah, this is extremely sad and continues to be 3:31:09.200 --> 3:31:13.040 extremely sad because Spain refuses to face up to its past, 3:31:13.080 --> 3:31:16.600 the dictatorship. You can look at where Franco's grave is, 3:31:17.200 --> 3:31:19.920 organized a protest and execute it within two weeks and 3:31:19.959 --> 3:31:22.280 toss him in the river if you want to be 3:31:22.400 --> 3:31:26.520 very proud of you. That is absolutely a legal thing 3:31:26.640 --> 3:31:31.640 to do. And I would be prosecuted in Spain, but yeah, 3:31:32.320 --> 3:31:36.000 it did. Any Spain has prosecuted everyone from sucking clowns 3:31:36.080 --> 3:31:40.800 to puppeteers. Now it's now, it's serious. When you start 3:31:40.879 --> 3:31:42.960 coming out of the clowns is when I I start 3:31:43.040 --> 3:31:46.200 getting personally consulted. We need to do our episode on 3:31:46.320 --> 3:31:49.160 clown Block soon, don't we? We do? I can put 3:31:49.200 --> 3:31:55.000 on I have clown block right behind me, okay, yeah, 3:31:55.400 --> 3:31:58.400 and then the British police will send someone undercover in 3:31:58.440 --> 3:32:02.520 your clown movement for five year is who will marry 3:32:02.720 --> 3:32:06.480 one of you? And let me let me be a 3:32:06.560 --> 3:32:10.280 silly gesture, leave me alone, Nope, not in Britain. It's 3:32:10.320 --> 3:32:21.359 a crime, all right. Uh, okay, that's been a podcast crimes. Okay, 3:32:49.680 --> 3:32:57.840 welllcome to the fine Spooky Week episode. Hi, look, this 3:32:58.000 --> 3:32:59.600 is this is it could happen here. This is our 3:32:59.680 --> 3:33:03.560 last Spooky Week episode for this year, and we're gonna 3:33:03.560 --> 3:33:08.080 be talking about something extremely spooky and Halloween themed. Rainbow 3:33:08.200 --> 3:33:12.840 fentanyl the newest deadly threat hiding in your kids trigger 3:33:12.959 --> 3:33:16.120 treat basket, or so you would think if you are 3:33:16.160 --> 3:33:19.880 a frequent viewer of Fox News or really any local 3:33:20.040 --> 3:33:24.280 cable news channel, and that rainbow fentonnel in particular is 3:33:24.320 --> 3:33:30.000 troublesome because of its appearance. This is treacherous deception to 3:33:30.200 --> 3:33:36.199 market rainbow fensonel like candy. This is every parents worst nightmare, 3:33:37.080 --> 3:33:40.560 especially in the month of October as Halloween fast approaches. 3:33:41.360 --> 3:33:45.560 That was Fox five News, New York and d E 3:33:45.760 --> 3:33:50.040 a special agent Frank Tarantino, giving a press conference on 3:33:50.320 --> 3:33:54.600 the rainbow fentanyl scourge sweeping the nation. It's not hard 3:33:54.640 --> 3:33:57.400 to see how this narrative became the new protect the 3:33:57.480 --> 3:34:01.720 children pearl clutching panic. It's a natural extension of the 3:34:01.840 --> 3:34:06.760 police officer touches sentinel and spontaneously overdoses lie that local 3:34:06.800 --> 3:34:09.400 news across the country have been pushing for over a 3:34:09.480 --> 3:34:13.440 year now. More on this later, coupled with the old 3:34:13.600 --> 3:34:19.840 classic poisoned, drug laced, tampered Halloween candy myth that's captivated 3:34:19.879 --> 3:34:23.920 American parents for decades, whether it be razor blades, napples, 3:34:24.160 --> 3:34:28.800 needles and tutsie rules, meth in, gummy bears, cocaine candy corn, 3:34:29.240 --> 3:34:33.000 or th HC sour patch kids. If you've ever watched 3:34:33.120 --> 3:34:36.280 any local news during the month of October, clips like 3:34:36.520 --> 3:34:40.240 these should sound really familiar. Police in at least two 3:34:40.280 --> 3:34:44.920 Wisconsin towns are investigating reports of possible Halloween candy tampering 3:34:45.280 --> 3:34:49.440 breaking right now at ten concerns about possible tainted candy 3:34:49.640 --> 3:34:52.920 in Economy Walk tonight. Police tell us they've received reports 3:34:52.959 --> 3:34:57.039 of a suspicious person handing out tutsie rolls on Oakwood Avenue. 3:34:57.400 --> 3:34:59.920 Right now, police have no evidence that any candy has 3:35:00.040 --> 3:35:04.320 definitely been tampered with, the world's leading researcher on Halloween 3:35:04.440 --> 3:35:08.600 candy tampering, Joel Best, professor of sociology and criminal justice 3:35:08.600 --> 3:35:11.920 at the University of Delaware, has found little evidence to 3:35:12.160 --> 3:35:17.000 substantiate Halloween candy fears Joel Best has published multiple studies 3:35:17.040 --> 3:35:21.160 analyzing the legitimacy of Halloween candy tampering, including his research 3:35:21.240 --> 3:35:24.720 paper The Razor Blade in the Apple, The Social Construction 3:35:24.760 --> 3:35:29.080 of Urban Legends, and his sociology book Threatened Children, Rhetoric 3:35:29.200 --> 3:35:34.560 and Concern around Child Victims. I have followed press coverage 3:35:34.600 --> 3:35:38.440 of Halloween back to ninety eight, so more than sixty years, 3:35:39.040 --> 3:35:43.120 and I cannot find any evidence that any child has 3:35:43.240 --> 3:35:47.240 ever been killed or seriously injured by a contaminated treat 3:35:47.320 --> 3:35:50.119 picked up in the course of triggered treaty. So let's 3:35:50.160 --> 3:35:52.800 go back to kind of where all this started. The 3:35:52.879 --> 3:35:55.760 first report of Halloween treats being tampered with in North 3:35:55.840 --> 3:36:00.440 America was in nineteen fifty nine. That's how Leween, a 3:36:00.520 --> 3:36:04.960 California dentist named William Sheen, distributed four hundred and fifty 3:36:05.280 --> 3:36:09.039 laxative laced candies to children, thirty of whom fell ill. 3:36:09.760 --> 3:36:14.000 He was later charged with outrage of public decency and 3:36:14.280 --> 3:36:18.120 unlawful dispensing of drugs. This is kind of like the 3:36:18.360 --> 3:36:21.280 only incident that is that this has ever actually happened 3:36:21.360 --> 3:36:23.600 with was back in the late fifties. This is the 3:36:23.879 --> 3:36:27.360 only true one of someone like handing out actually laced 3:36:27.440 --> 3:36:31.120 candy to tons of kids. Now. To determine whether the 3:36:31.959 --> 3:36:36.680 current tempered Halloween candy myths hold any weight, Joel Best 3:36:36.760 --> 3:36:39.640 examined twenty five years of Halloween coverage from the New 3:36:39.720 --> 3:36:43.720 York Times, Los Angeles Times, and Chicago Tribune. In his research, 3:36:43.800 --> 3:36:47.800 he found that there's only been one confirmed death from 3:36:47.840 --> 3:36:51.760 a poisoned Halloween candy, and it wasn't from a nefarious 3:36:51.920 --> 3:36:55.000 stranger who wanted to harm trick or treaters. The fatal 3:36:55.040 --> 3:36:58.160 incident occurred in nineteen seventy four, after a Texas man 3:36:58.400 --> 3:37:02.080 named Ronald Clarke ob Iron poisoned his eight year old 3:37:02.160 --> 3:37:06.480 son with a cyanide laced pixie stick shortly after he 3:37:06.560 --> 3:37:10.039 took insurance claims out on his children. O'Brien had reportedly 3:37:10.080 --> 3:37:13.080 given poisoned pixie sticks to his daughter and three other 3:37:13.160 --> 3:37:17.440 neighborhood children, but the candy had not been consumed since then. 3:37:17.600 --> 3:37:20.880 Joel Best said that in some instances, kids tamper with 3:37:21.120 --> 3:37:23.960 their own candy to get attention, or a friend or 3:37:24.000 --> 3:37:27.280 a family member played a prank that went awry, or 3:37:27.360 --> 3:37:30.200 even a foreign object ended up inside candy during the 3:37:30.280 --> 3:37:33.480 manufacturing process. And that's the majority of these types of 3:37:33.520 --> 3:37:37.080 claims that you'll see on the local news. Now, Halloween 3:37:37.200 --> 3:37:40.720 can be a particularly dangerous holiday, but not due to 3:37:40.800 --> 3:37:44.440 tampered candy. The real notable danger comes from pedestrian deaths. 3:37:44.959 --> 3:37:48.320 I studied published last year in Gamma Pediatrics, analyzed data 3:37:48.400 --> 3:37:50.720 over a forty two year period in the United States 3:37:51.080 --> 3:37:54.160 and found a forty three percent higher risk of pedestrian 3:37:54.240 --> 3:37:57.560 deaths on Halloween night when compared to the week before 3:37:57.640 --> 3:38:02.720 and after. John Staple, lead author and clinical assistant professor 3:38:02.879 --> 3:38:06.279 of medicine and a scientist at University of British Columbia, 3:38:06.400 --> 3:38:10.160 said that quote, we found that particularly among kids age 3:38:10.240 --> 3:38:13.879 four to eight, the risk was tenfold higher on Halloween. 3:38:14.600 --> 3:38:17.959 So yeah, Halloween actually is pretty dangerous, but it's from 3:38:18.000 --> 3:38:21.760 a car, not from someone sneaking drugs into your kids candy. 3:38:22.760 --> 3:38:27.199 Last year, before the current Rainbow Centinel scare, the drug 3:38:27.400 --> 3:38:31.279 laced trick in your kids treat was weed laced candy 3:38:31.400 --> 3:38:36.160 and snacks, causing quote unquote THHC overdose among children. But 3:38:36.400 --> 3:38:40.200 shady marijuana push yours package them just for kids, and 3:38:40.280 --> 3:38:43.320 if stony patch kids are mixed in, it's hard to tell. 3:38:44.000 --> 3:38:48.240 And Unfortunately, the black market is making it easy for 3:38:48.360 --> 3:38:51.720 children to get these products. Ben Salem police confiscated what 3:38:51.879 --> 3:38:55.199 looks like normal candy during a traffic stop earlier this month. 3:38:55.480 --> 3:38:59.240 But these Sweethearts, they're medicated. These sour patch candies have 3:38:59.440 --> 3:39:02.680 a twist, and these Cheetos are anything but all of 3:39:02.760 --> 3:39:06.480 these items are laced with th HC. By laced with 3:39:06.640 --> 3:39:11.039 th HC, they mean the forty dollar Stoner Patch dummies 3:39:11.680 --> 3:39:15.240 are a manufactured weed candy sold in legal weed shops 3:39:15.240 --> 3:39:18.360 across the country. The fact that these novel t THC 3:39:18.480 --> 3:39:21.640 products are incredibly expensive and in packaging covered in we 3:39:21.840 --> 3:39:25.480 leaves doesn't seem to matter. Um, But yes, I'm sure 3:39:25.600 --> 3:39:28.840 the black market is super eager to give away tiny 3:39:29.040 --> 3:39:33.640 fifty dollar bags of weeded rito's. Two children dressed as 3:39:33.720 --> 3:39:36.560 the Avengers all right, now the details on a big 3:39:36.680 --> 3:39:40.879 warning for parents. Tonight police officers and Ben Salem confiscated 3:39:40.959 --> 3:39:45.240 these items during the traffic stop. It's candy laced with marijuana, 3:39:45.800 --> 3:39:48.160 and now police don't want these friendly looking snacks to 3:39:48.200 --> 3:39:51.200 get into the wrong hands. With Halloween coming up. I'm 3:39:51.240 --> 3:39:55.560 going to quote from Filter mag quote. Attorneys general across 3:39:55.680 --> 3:39:58.560 the country are participating in the annual tradition of urging 3:39:58.600 --> 3:40:02.320 parents to stand vigilant like free drugs disguised as candy. 3:40:02.920 --> 3:40:07.280 On October four, state a g s issued such claims, 3:40:07.600 --> 3:40:09.960 all using the same data and language which appears to 3:40:10.040 --> 3:40:12.800 have been generously pre written for them by the Department 3:40:12.840 --> 3:40:16.880 of Homeland Security Ohio, Illinois, Connecticut, and in New York 3:40:17.080 --> 3:40:20.760 and Arkansas. Earlier that month decried the dangers of youth 3:40:21.200 --> 3:40:26.400 THHC overdose, but without hinting at what those dangers might be, 3:40:26.959 --> 3:40:31.840 except for New York Attorney General Letitia James, who alone 3:40:32.120 --> 3:40:37.800 of the ages swung big, saying New York parents should 3:40:37.840 --> 3:40:41.000 be on the alert for deceptive cannabis products that look 3:40:41.080 --> 3:40:45.480 like standard snacks and candy but contain dangerously high concentrations 3:40:45.520 --> 3:40:49.959 of th HC. These products are especially dangerous for our children. 3:40:50.600 --> 3:40:54.840 We've seen an increase in accidental overdoses among children and nationwide, 3:40:55.280 --> 3:40:57.600 and it's vital that we do everything we can to 3:40:57.680 --> 3:41:00.920 protect our children and curb this crisis and prevent any 3:41:01.040 --> 3:41:06.879 future harm or even worse death. Now that's a stunning claim, 3:41:07.320 --> 3:41:10.600 even by weed disinformation standards. To date, there's been no 3:41:10.760 --> 3:41:15.920 confirmed evidence that THHC overdose has ever killed anybody adult 3:41:16.120 --> 3:41:22.720 or child. So with all of that drug laced Halloween history, 3:41:23.480 --> 3:41:28.080 onto the latest rainbow colored menace in your child's tricker 3:41:28.120 --> 3:41:33.080 retreat basket. That's Halloween approaches. Federal authorities are warning parents 3:41:33.120 --> 3:41:37.560 about the deadly consequences of fitnel pills, particularly about the 3:41:37.720 --> 3:41:41.680 rainbow variety that look like candy. The Drug Enforcement Agency 3:41:41.920 --> 3:41:45.920 first put out a statement on multicolored quote unquote rainbow 3:41:46.040 --> 3:41:51.080 fentanel near the end of August two, claiming during that 3:41:51.240 --> 3:41:53.879 month that the d e A and law enforcement partners 3:41:54.080 --> 3:42:00.160 seized brightly colored fentanel and fentanel pills in states. And 3:42:00.360 --> 3:42:04.360 this is how the presence of colored fentanyl was framed 3:42:04.440 --> 3:42:07.400 in the d e AS initial statement. Quote this trend 3:42:07.520 --> 3:42:10.360 appears to be a new method used by Mexican drug 3:42:10.440 --> 3:42:14.840 cartels to sell highly addictive and potentially deadly ventanyl made 3:42:14.959 --> 3:42:20.800 to look like candy to children unquote. Now, obviously, children 3:42:20.879 --> 3:42:24.600 aren't the biggest consumer base for these drugs, since they 3:42:25.000 --> 3:42:28.680 have no money, have very low tolerance, and are unlikely 3:42:28.800 --> 3:42:31.800 to be a repeat customer. But that hasn't stopped the 3:42:31.840 --> 3:42:35.440 d e A from continuously referring to these colored pills 3:42:35.600 --> 3:42:39.840 as quote unquote marketing to attract kids, as if there's 3:42:40.320 --> 3:42:45.080 rainbow fentanyl ads on Nickelodeon or something. It seems the 3:42:45.200 --> 3:42:48.560 only one marketing rainbow fentanyl is the d e A 3:42:48.720 --> 3:42:53.240 itself and now news channels across the country. This is 3:42:53.360 --> 3:42:57.120 from Good Morning America. Warning certainly one here that parents 3:42:57.200 --> 3:42:59.920 need to hear with Halloween coming up. It's about potential 3:43:00.200 --> 3:43:04.680 deadly fentyl pills that look like candy. Obviously, the d 3:43:04.800 --> 3:43:08.840 e A is an enforcement agency, not a harm reduction agency, 3:43:09.360 --> 3:43:11.760 and the way they've been talking about fentanyl the past 3:43:11.840 --> 3:43:16.440 few months has focused more on old War on Drugs 3:43:16.600 --> 3:43:21.680 style propaganda, with anti immigrant drug warriors pushing the fentanyl 3:43:21.760 --> 3:43:25.279 for kids and narrative. The d e AS messaging seems 3:43:25.320 --> 3:43:28.840 largely targeted to parents and more intended to cause panic 3:43:28.959 --> 3:43:32.720 than actually work to prevent overdoses, and it distracts from 3:43:32.760 --> 3:43:36.680 experts that say drug criminalization is what actually increases overdoses, 3:43:37.120 --> 3:43:42.280 not these quote unquote candy colored pills. Mariah Francis, a 3:43:42.440 --> 3:43:46.920 resource associate with the National Harm Reduction Coalition, says such 3:43:47.000 --> 3:43:50.560 rhetoric is quote an active byproduct of drug policies that 3:43:50.680 --> 3:43:56.439 prioritize criminalization and political agendas over active harm reduction unquote, 3:43:57.200 --> 3:43:59.840 as colored fentyl can actually serve as an indicator that 3:44:00.000 --> 3:44:03.880 these pills are not prescription drugs. The other war on 3:44:04.000 --> 3:44:08.039 drugs style scare tactic being used a lot recently has 3:44:08.120 --> 3:44:13.760 been promoting heavily publicized drug seizures and making highly exaggerated 3:44:13.800 --> 3:44:17.200 claims about what the busts mean to the illicit drug 3:44:17.280 --> 3:44:22.119 supply and public health. Michigan and Ohio, we seized approximately 3:44:22.360 --> 3:44:26.480 four million deadly doses. Special Agent in charge Orville Green 3:44:26.560 --> 3:44:31.000 says nationwide that number jumps to thirty six million deadly 3:44:31.160 --> 3:44:34.360 doses seized and just four months in there in pill 3:44:34.480 --> 3:44:38.440 and powder form, the source materials coming from China produced 3:44:38.480 --> 3:44:43.400 by drug cartels in Mexico, calling them quote unquote deadly doses, 3:44:44.160 --> 3:44:47.800 Like yeah, dude, if you quantify your seizure by an 3:44:47.840 --> 3:44:51.760 amount that could be potentially deadly, I suppose you could 3:44:51.879 --> 3:44:55.720 only measure in deadly quantities. I could do the same 3:44:55.800 --> 3:44:57.680 thing with with caffeine. I can go to the store 3:44:57.720 --> 3:45:00.760 and pick up like ten banging g drinks and be 3:45:01.120 --> 3:45:04.160 I just got a deadly dose of cafe. Like yeah, 3:45:04.280 --> 3:45:06.480 that's if you're measuring it in that way, Sure you 3:45:06.560 --> 3:45:10.199 can measure it as deadly doses. Plus in that clip 3:45:10.440 --> 3:45:14.000 from Fox to Detroit, you can see the anti China, 3:45:14.120 --> 3:45:18.280 anti Mexico angle that they're running with now. Obviously, places 3:45:18.320 --> 3:45:21.240 like Fox News has been eating the stuff up. Just 3:45:21.560 --> 3:45:24.520 during the first half of September. The network mentioned rainbow 3:45:24.560 --> 3:45:27.840 fentannel at least sixty six times on the air over 3:45:27.920 --> 3:45:31.039 the previous month, weaponizing the narrative to blame migrants at 3:45:31.080 --> 3:45:34.440 the border and China for the supposed threat that the 3:45:34.560 --> 3:45:39.480 drug poses to poor, innocent children. And many of people's 3:45:39.520 --> 3:45:42.760 most trusted news sources, which are local news outlets, have 3:45:43.080 --> 3:45:46.400 contributed to the d E a s panic by parroting 3:45:46.600 --> 3:45:50.160 the agency's statements as pure fact, pushing the claim that 3:45:50.320 --> 3:45:53.879 rainbow fentanyl is meant to attract kids just at face value, 3:45:54.000 --> 3:45:58.039 presented without any skepticism, without any fact checking or information 3:45:58.200 --> 3:46:02.160 from independent drug policy experts. Here is a headline from 3:46:02.280 --> 3:46:06.920 ABC twenty four in Tennessee quote rainbow fentanyl the colorful 3:46:07.080 --> 3:46:11.160 marketing tactic already in Memphis streets and this is from 3:46:11.200 --> 3:46:15.040 a TV channel and Raleigh, North Carolina DA warns of 3:46:15.200 --> 3:46:19.520 so called rainbow fentanyl putting children at risk, and headlines 3:46:19.600 --> 3:46:22.160 like that have been a diame a dozen the past month, 3:46:22.800 --> 3:46:25.160 never once bringing up that there's not a single piece 3:46:25.200 --> 3:46:28.480 of evidence that these pills are being peddled on the playground. 3:46:29.120 --> 3:46:31.840 This is exactly the kind of behavior from news organizations 3:46:32.240 --> 3:46:36.080 that leads to misinformation and panics, which distract from actual 3:46:36.200 --> 3:46:39.200 public health dangers and relatively simple things we can do 3:46:39.360 --> 3:46:43.920 to combat them. Fox News, many local news stations, and 3:46:43.959 --> 3:46:47.000 the d e A itself has now joined in the 3:46:47.240 --> 3:46:53.320 long standing annual tradition of Halloween candy based fearmongering by 3:46:53.440 --> 3:46:58.760 baselessly claiming that parents should be concerned about fentanyl appearing 3:46:58.959 --> 3:47:03.160 in their child Halloween candy. Federal agents with an urgent 3:47:03.280 --> 3:47:06.879 warning to parents about potentially deadly sentinel pills that look 3:47:07.000 --> 3:47:10.920 just like candy. Dubbed rainbow fentanyl, authorities are calling it 3:47:11.080 --> 3:47:14.279 a newly packaged poison as Halloween is around the corner. 3:47:15.080 --> 3:47:18.240 The idea that people are going to give away free 3:47:18.360 --> 3:47:25.160 drugs for Halloween, which just get wild concept. Um I 3:47:25.280 --> 3:47:27.160 wish I would, I would go trick or treating more 3:47:27.200 --> 3:47:30.200 if there was free drugs. But this idea has been 3:47:30.240 --> 3:47:34.439 boosted by elected leaders and non d e A government officials. 3:47:35.160 --> 3:47:39.160 Florida's Attorney General, Ashley Moody, did a whole press conference 3:47:39.320 --> 3:47:44.560 saying quote Halloween can be very scary, but nowhere near 3:47:44.800 --> 3:47:48.640 as scary as rainbow colored fentanyl that looks like candy 3:47:49.040 --> 3:47:53.039 and can be lethal in minute doses. Whether these drugs 3:47:53.080 --> 3:47:55.800 are being transported in candy boxes or mixed in with 3:47:55.959 --> 3:47:59.560 other common drugs and sold on suspecting users, the threat 3:47:59.600 --> 3:48:02.600 POE to the safety of kids and young adults is 3:48:02.760 --> 3:48:06.000 very real. Just one pill laced with fentinel can kill, 3:48:06.440 --> 3:48:09.760 so parents, please talk to your children about the dangers 3:48:09.840 --> 3:48:13.760 posed by this extremely lethal drug. Halloween could be scary, 3:48:13.840 --> 3:48:18.360 but that isn't anyway. Senator Rob Portman wrote quote, we 3:48:18.520 --> 3:48:21.440 must have all the boots on the ground to interdict 3:48:21.680 --> 3:48:27.400 deadly rainbow fentanyl as Halloween approaches, which he posted alongside 3:48:27.440 --> 3:48:32.120 a Fox News story about Fentinel disguised in candy packaging, 3:48:32.600 --> 3:48:36.119 which is simply a common tactic to smuggle drugs through borders, 3:48:36.240 --> 3:48:39.280 which is why such packaging is found so often in 3:48:39.400 --> 3:48:44.360 drug seizures. Now, nobody is planning to give away free 3:48:44.920 --> 3:48:47.840 skittle fentanyl. Too, Little Timmy when he comes knocking on 3:48:48.000 --> 3:48:52.320 doors and more quote unquote boots on the ground is 3:48:52.400 --> 3:48:55.720 exactly what law enforcement wanted when they started this lie. 3:48:56.200 --> 3:48:58.200 The d e A budget has gone up every year, 3:48:58.640 --> 3:49:02.680 and so have Fentinel over doses. But it's the won't 3:49:02.760 --> 3:49:06.040 somebody think of the children angle that's so irresistible to 3:49:06.240 --> 3:49:09.600 news media. It provides a huge rush to our cultures 3:49:09.800 --> 3:49:13.680 actual favorite drug, fear for our children. It's the same 3:49:13.760 --> 3:49:17.200 undercurrent that fuels attacks on drag queens and trans people. 3:49:17.840 --> 3:49:21.120 Fear for the kids. While a long piece and CNN 3:49:21.200 --> 3:49:24.920 explicitly said parents of young children should not overly panic, 3:49:25.760 --> 3:49:28.920 h w R A l piece cautioned that quote, we 3:49:29.080 --> 3:49:31.640 all know how easy it is for children to pass 3:49:31.760 --> 3:49:35.400 candy around to each other, as if like rainbow Fentanel 3:49:35.560 --> 3:49:38.040 is going to be shared around like Eminem's at a 3:49:38.120 --> 3:49:41.320 lunch breaker or something like And one of the more 3:49:41.440 --> 3:49:44.640 silly things that I found. People running the account for 3:49:44.840 --> 3:49:50.520 ABC seven Eyewitness News hid over one hundred replies pointing 3:49:50.560 --> 3:49:54.720 out the disinformation in their so called eyewitness news story. 3:49:55.400 --> 3:50:00.600 In their tweet that read quote hashtag breaking twelve thousand 3:50:00.680 --> 3:50:06.000 Fentinel pills seized in wrappers of Skittles whoppers, sweet tarts 3:50:06.480 --> 3:50:10.920 at l a X, sparking renewed Halloween warnings to parents. 3:50:13.400 --> 3:50:16.000 So yeah, they hid over one hundred applies to that 3:50:16.080 --> 3:50:19.120 tweet basically saying this is this is bullshit. You have 3:50:19.200 --> 3:50:22.200 no idea what you're talking about. This this story again, 3:50:22.520 --> 3:50:25.600 it conflates methods of drug trafficking with a longstanding myth 3:50:25.680 --> 3:50:29.360 of expensive drugs being hidden in cheap Halloween candy. And then, 3:50:29.760 --> 3:50:32.440 by far the most ridiculous thing that I found. It's 3:50:32.440 --> 3:50:36.160 just because it's kind of absurd and slightly funny. Laura 3:50:36.240 --> 3:50:39.840 Trump on Fox News did the most ridiculous Rainbow Fentinel 3:50:39.880 --> 3:50:43.320 segment that I could find, including spreading the blatant lie 3:50:43.480 --> 3:50:48.680 that police officers have indeed died by simply touching fentanyl. Yeah, 3:50:48.800 --> 3:50:50.520 you look at the police officers who when they just 3:50:50.560 --> 3:50:52.680 pat people down and they find it, if it touches 3:50:52.720 --> 3:50:55.800 their fingers, they literally go into shock and almost die 3:50:55.840 --> 3:50:57.760 from it. Something I think have died from it. The 3:50:58.480 --> 3:51:01.520 idea that you could have a kid anywhere in America 3:51:01.920 --> 3:51:05.120 if if one child dies from this on Halloween. I 3:51:05.160 --> 3:51:08.200 gotta tell you, we have to take action to stop 3:51:08.280 --> 3:51:10.560 this right now because parents are terrified and we have 3:51:10.720 --> 3:51:12.880 no answers, what are we supposed to do? They're gonna 3:51:12.880 --> 3:51:15.840 go trick or truth? So Democrats ruin Halloween to can 3:51:16.000 --> 3:51:19.320 they really do? So. What you wouldn't know by watching 3:51:19.440 --> 3:51:21.680 these types of news programs, whether they be Fox News 3:51:21.800 --> 3:51:25.800 or just regular cable news, is that the colors in 3:51:25.920 --> 3:51:30.000 these drugs have been added to pills for years. The 3:51:30.360 --> 3:51:35.360 real danger isn't that kids are being given fentanyl like candy. 3:51:35.800 --> 3:51:38.880 It's that fentanyl is being pressed into the shapes of 3:51:39.000 --> 3:51:42.000 other prescription drugs like oxy codone, and people will take 3:51:42.040 --> 3:51:45.080 a fentanyl pill thinking it's something else and then overdose. 3:51:45.680 --> 3:51:50.920 And throughout many of these news stories, they don't mention narcan, 3:51:51.240 --> 3:51:54.040 or if they do, they mentioned in the context as saying, 3:51:54.160 --> 3:51:58.440 like this school in l A Now carries narcan. That's 3:51:58.480 --> 3:52:01.160 how bad things are getting. They use the presence of 3:52:01.160 --> 3:52:03.920 an arcan as like a bad omen which mean no, 3:52:04.160 --> 3:52:07.000 people should just have narcan everywhere cause it's great. More 3:52:07.040 --> 3:52:10.920 on that later. But these colored pills provide such a 3:52:11.320 --> 3:52:16.040 compelling visual for anyone with a financial stake in continuing prohibition. 3:52:16.680 --> 3:52:19.760 In a way, the d A is right. Rainbow fentanyl 3:52:19.960 --> 3:52:22.800 is a marketing stunt, but one concocted by the d 3:52:22.880 --> 3:52:25.960 e A itself as a justification for its own existence, 3:52:26.720 --> 3:52:31.000 rather than drug sellers marketing their product to kids, using 3:52:31.080 --> 3:52:35.400 the escalating demonization of fentanyl to call for increased funding 3:52:35.480 --> 3:52:38.400 to law enforcement and border patrol, and the need to 3:52:38.680 --> 3:52:43.240 convince a public acclimating to the idea of fentanyl that actually, 3:52:43.520 --> 3:52:47.480 fentanyl is even scarier than what they once thought. Quoting 3:52:47.680 --> 3:52:51.360 filter Meg again quote, people sell drugs because they are 3:52:51.440 --> 3:52:55.000 economically motivated to do so. No one except the d 3:52:55.120 --> 3:52:57.280 e A and its allies is arguing that it's a 3:52:57.360 --> 3:53:00.280 good business strategy to kill off your adult buyers and 3:53:00.440 --> 3:53:04.920 give free samples to children previously untapped customer base because 3:53:04.960 --> 3:53:08.920 the fentanyl wasn't never pretty enough, and not because children 3:53:08.960 --> 3:53:11.600 do not have money. The emergence of different colors that 3:53:11.640 --> 3:53:15.400 pressed pills alongside the traditional blue fentinel pills won't lure 3:53:15.560 --> 3:53:18.360 in younger buyers. If anything, it will help keep newer 3:53:18.440 --> 3:53:23.560 buyers safe. Unquote, Brightly colored fake pills that are clearly 3:53:23.640 --> 3:53:26.280 fake are helpful for people being cut off of their 3:53:26.320 --> 3:53:29.360 prescription and turning to street drugs to remind them that 3:53:29.800 --> 3:53:31.840 what they're getting is not the oxy codon that they're 3:53:31.880 --> 3:53:35.360 used to, but something more podent, and for more on 3:53:35.600 --> 3:53:38.000 what fentinel actually is and to kind of get an 3:53:38.040 --> 3:53:44.120 expert opinion on these topics, I interviewed Ryan Marino, uh, 3:53:44.240 --> 3:53:48.720 the resident fentanyl expert who's sited and basically all of 3:53:48.800 --> 3:53:51.840 these news stories. So after the s ad break you 3:53:51.920 --> 3:53:58.320 will hear that interview. First, can you introduce yourself? So 3:53:58.760 --> 3:54:03.360 I'm Ryan Marino. I'm a medical toxicologist, emergency doc and 3:54:03.520 --> 3:54:09.760 addiction medicine specialists. So what exactly is fentanyl? What, what's 3:54:09.760 --> 3:54:13.280 the deal? What's what? What is what is the actual thing? 3:54:13.360 --> 3:54:15.240 Because people I know have heard a lot about it, 3:54:15.480 --> 3:54:18.560 but they may may be unaware, like what this type 3:54:18.560 --> 3:54:21.520 of opioid is, how it's different from other things, why 3:54:21.600 --> 3:54:25.480 it's around. Yeah, and I think most people here kind 3:54:25.520 --> 3:54:29.000 of one side of fentanyl. And so fentanyl is a 3:54:29.080 --> 3:54:33.040 synthetic opioid, So it's a lot like harro and morphine, 3:54:33.080 --> 3:54:35.400 oxycoda and all those other things. It acts the same way. 3:54:36.240 --> 3:54:39.680 The difference is that it is more potent and because 3:54:39.800 --> 3:54:42.440 it is fully synthetic, it can be made without the 3:54:42.560 --> 3:54:46.800 necessity for like large poppy fields whether all that stuff. Um, 3:54:46.920 --> 3:54:49.840 but it's it's very easy to produce. It's used medically 3:54:50.280 --> 3:54:52.320 all the time. UM, it's like one of the most 3:54:52.400 --> 3:54:57.320 ubiquitously used medicines and very invaluable lot for its medical uses, 3:54:57.920 --> 3:55:01.360 but in the street because of a potency small amounts 3:55:01.400 --> 3:55:03.560 to make a huge difference in the dose that people get, 3:55:03.680 --> 3:55:06.720 and so fentanyl in street drugs has been the main 3:55:06.880 --> 3:55:10.760 driver behind what people call our opioid overdose epidemic UM 3:55:10.880 --> 3:55:13.400 and the kind of record breaking overdose deaths that we've 3:55:13.440 --> 3:55:16.960 had in recent years. I would like guess that one 3:55:17.000 --> 3:55:19.720 of the biggest reasons that people have heard about fentanyl 3:55:20.400 --> 3:55:24.320 is due to police officers and all of the stories 3:55:24.440 --> 3:55:28.920 from the past year of police officers spontaneously overdosing by 3:55:29.920 --> 3:55:32.920 either touching it, getting too close to it, breathing the 3:55:33.000 --> 3:55:38.360 same air that it's around. Can you overdose by touching fentanyl? 3:55:39.360 --> 3:55:44.040 You cannot, UM, So there is a hatch that's made 3:55:44.160 --> 3:55:46.560 for the medical fentyl, so it can absorb through your 3:55:46.600 --> 3:55:51.120 skin if you try really, really hard, but it's incredibly ineffective. 3:55:51.200 --> 3:55:55.440 Even with the best pharmaceutical technology that money could buy. UM, 3:55:55.520 --> 3:55:59.360 this is still very slow, very ineffective. Touching fentyl cannot 3:55:59.400 --> 3:56:01.920 cause an over dose and the way it exists on 3:56:01.960 --> 3:56:05.800 the street particularly, you're never going to encounter the form 3:56:06.200 --> 3:56:08.920 or quantity that you would need to cause an overdose. 3:56:09.000 --> 3:56:13.720 So these stories are nothing more than urban legends and misinformation. 3:56:15.040 --> 3:56:17.680 How why are people having these effects? Then? Right? Because 3:56:17.680 --> 3:56:20.800 there's videos of people like fainting and falling over and 3:56:21.000 --> 3:56:23.920 they're like this police officer needed to receive narcan and 3:56:24.000 --> 3:56:27.040 was rushed to the hospital. Like what what? What's actually 3:56:27.520 --> 3:56:31.400 happening there? Because people obviously look like they're experiencing something, 3:56:31.960 --> 3:56:34.520 but it doesn't really match up with what fentinel is 3:56:34.520 --> 3:56:37.880 able to do. So it's a really interesting phenomenon. And 3:56:37.920 --> 3:56:39.600 if you look at any of these stories, any of 3:56:39.640 --> 3:56:43.080 these videos, you can very clearly see people having real symptoms. 3:56:43.120 --> 3:56:45.920 I'm not trying to cast any doubt on that, but 3:56:46.040 --> 3:56:49.240 what's reported and what's shown is actually the opposite of 3:56:49.320 --> 3:56:52.400 what fentyl would do, And so people report feeling very anxious, 3:56:53.080 --> 3:56:56.280 breathing very rapidly, having their heart race, all of the 3:56:56.320 --> 3:56:58.800 things that fentyl would actually cause the opposite. And so 3:56:59.280 --> 3:57:02.440 I can only speculate on what's really happening there, but 3:57:02.680 --> 3:57:04.480 my guests would be that this is some sort of 3:57:04.600 --> 3:57:07.480 panic reaction related to the fact that people are hearing 3:57:07.720 --> 3:57:11.040 about this every day, hearing the vannel is killing hundreds 3:57:11.080 --> 3:57:13.600 of thousands of people, hearing that other people have just 3:57:13.760 --> 3:57:16.560 dropped down from being near it. UM. And there's also 3:57:16.680 --> 3:57:20.120 this related concept called the no cebo effect, which is 3:57:20.200 --> 3:57:24.200 kind of like the dark side of the placebo effect, 3:57:24.240 --> 3:57:26.480 if you will, UM. And so basically it's just that 3:57:26.600 --> 3:57:29.680 if you believe something so strongly, you can have very 3:57:29.760 --> 3:57:32.600 negative of real symptoms from it, and the way you 3:57:32.600 --> 3:57:35.240 would treat this would be with a placebo, which in 3:57:35.320 --> 3:57:38.000 these situations Narkian is a placebo. So the fact that 3:57:38.120 --> 3:57:40.960 Narkian works for some of them UM kind of suggests 3:57:41.000 --> 3:57:43.400 that there is some sort of placebo no cebo effect 3:57:43.440 --> 3:57:47.240 going on. I know that the ventil has become more 3:57:47.440 --> 3:57:51.160 common since the pandemics rough you, I would say probably 3:57:51.200 --> 3:57:53.360 starting in California is what most of most of it 3:57:53.560 --> 3:57:56.360 looks like in terms of like the whole like opioid 3:57:56.480 --> 3:57:59.920 epidemic thing, like why is this become such a big 3:58:00.000 --> 3:58:03.600 problem in the past like three years specifically, like with 3:58:03.720 --> 3:58:07.400 fentanyl getting into so much of the supply well, so 3:58:07.520 --> 3:58:11.560 fentyl started getting cut into heroin. UM particularly on the 3:58:11.640 --> 3:58:13.960 East coast like pretty early on, probably like ten or 3:58:14.000 --> 3:58:16.640 more years ago now, and took a while to make 3:58:16.680 --> 3:58:20.400 its way west. It seemed like California actually had different heroin, 3:58:20.520 --> 3:58:23.240 and particularly like black tar, heroin was more prevalent there, 3:58:23.240 --> 3:58:26.320 which can't be as easily replaced with a powder for 3:58:26.360 --> 3:58:29.320 anyone who's familiar with heroin. UM. But now, I mean, 3:58:29.600 --> 3:58:33.000 there is really no like other opioid supply, So things 3:58:33.040 --> 3:58:35.960 like heroin are almost impossible to come by just because 3:58:36.120 --> 3:58:39.880 it doesn't exist in the world. The like oxycodone, oxycont 3:58:39.960 --> 3:58:42.080 and all of these pills that people used to sell 3:58:42.120 --> 3:58:44.360 on the street also just don't exist because they're not 3:58:44.400 --> 3:58:48.360 being prescribed anymore. Some of them aren't even being manufactured anymore. UM. 3:58:48.480 --> 3:58:51.320 And so what's left is really when you take away 3:58:51.360 --> 3:58:53.960 the supply but you don't address the demand, is something's 3:58:53.960 --> 3:58:56.160 got to fill it. And Fentyl is there. Fentyl is 3:58:56.200 --> 3:58:59.920 really easy to make. Its relatively cheap um and simple 3:59:00.080 --> 3:59:02.560 to produce, and so you can press it into pills 3:59:02.600 --> 3:59:05.320 that look like oxycodone. You can mix it up into 3:59:05.360 --> 3:59:08.520 a powder that looks like heroin and gives people similar effects. 3:59:09.120 --> 3:59:11.080 But because it's so much more potent, which it's like 3:59:11.160 --> 3:59:14.320 fifty times more potent than heroin. Um So, I mean 3:59:15.000 --> 3:59:17.760 if you think just in terms of percentage wise, like 3:59:18.120 --> 3:59:20.680 a one or two percent difference could be double the 3:59:20.800 --> 3:59:24.480 dose when you compare it to something. Um So, that's 3:59:24.480 --> 3:59:28.000 where the trouble comes in. And then with the rainbow 3:59:28.120 --> 3:59:32.920 fentanyl angle, the DA has been talking about how fentanyl 3:59:33.000 --> 3:59:37.520 is this new thing to market two children. They sort 3:59:37.520 --> 3:59:40.480 of market a lot of being like this is like 3:59:40.600 --> 3:59:46.200 some advertising job done by big drug to to sell 3:59:46.520 --> 3:59:50.520 to sell two kids. Um Because first off, like why 3:59:50.680 --> 3:59:54.080 would these drugs be pressed into different colors, like with 3:59:54.320 --> 3:59:57.280 with with with the fentanyl pills being in you know, 3:59:57.440 --> 4:00:03.680 the multi colored collect Like what's the actual purpose of that. Well, 4:00:03.720 --> 4:00:06.480 so that's a great question. And I don't know what 4:00:06.600 --> 4:00:08.760 to make of whatever the d e A Is doing 4:00:08.840 --> 4:00:12.320 and why they make these announcements because there's there's no 4:00:12.480 --> 4:00:15.800 evidence behind it. Um They have provided no evidence and 4:00:16.120 --> 4:00:19.280 their own press releases going back years show multiple colors 4:00:19.400 --> 4:00:23.640 of ventational pressed pills. Um My best guests and in 4:00:23.760 --> 4:00:26.640 talking to like people use drugs, people who work in 4:00:26.960 --> 4:00:30.640 the same space across the country, is that pharmaceuticals come 4:00:30.680 --> 4:00:33.400 in different colors, and so these probably were mostly just 4:00:33.560 --> 4:00:37.760 to mimic things like oxycode on tabs. Also, I mean 4:00:37.960 --> 4:00:41.120 dealers like to add their own kind of like marked 4:00:41.200 --> 4:00:43.520 the things in terms of heroin will come with different 4:00:43.560 --> 4:00:46.560 like stamps on the bag, so probably something similar there. 4:00:46.920 --> 4:00:49.280 But also I mean people just tend to like things 4:00:49.320 --> 4:00:52.400 that are are colored more than like a grainy beige 4:00:52.520 --> 4:00:55.840 pill um. If it comes with like a pink or 4:00:55.920 --> 4:00:58.520 green on, it is going to be more desirable. But 4:00:58.760 --> 4:01:02.040 there's no evidence what so ever that this is intentionally 4:01:02.320 --> 4:01:06.800 marketed towards children. Children are not good clients for for 4:01:06.920 --> 4:01:10.200 drug dealers, and these are just things that adults want. 4:01:11.120 --> 4:01:14.840 American adults are the ones buying these drugs. I guess 4:01:14.880 --> 4:01:17.680 can you speak more on how the d e as 4:01:17.720 --> 4:01:21.640 rhetorics around this thing, especially it's been like escalating the 4:01:21.680 --> 4:01:24.000 past few months leading up to Halloween, right, there's been 4:01:24.040 --> 4:01:28.080 a lot of heavily publicized seizures saying like we seized 4:01:28.240 --> 4:01:33.000 enough sentinel to kill five hundred million people or something like. 4:01:33.080 --> 4:01:36.440 They're like they they frame it in this really like 4:01:36.960 --> 4:01:41.360 bombastic way, and then you're there's a lot of stuff 4:01:41.880 --> 4:01:46.240 talking about how it's it's being hidden in like candy 4:01:46.360 --> 4:01:48.200 boxes and they're going to be giving it out on 4:01:48.240 --> 4:01:51.160 Halloween to your kids, And like, what is the d 4:01:51.400 --> 4:01:54.280 A doing? Like what what's their incentive for talking about 4:01:54.320 --> 4:01:55.720 it in this way? And obviously and you I can't 4:01:55.800 --> 4:01:59.280 like ask you, like what what is the d A doing? Ryan? 4:01:59.560 --> 4:02:02.240 Why are they deal like this? But like from your perspective, 4:02:02.320 --> 4:02:05.520 like like this rhetoric doesn't seem very helpful in terms 4:02:05.560 --> 4:02:08.000 of actually preventing overdoses. It seems to be kind of 4:02:08.800 --> 4:02:12.960 just fear mundering um specifically with stuff like like like 4:02:13.120 --> 4:02:17.000 like like with the drugs being hidden inside candy boxes. 4:02:17.520 --> 4:02:20.440 There's reasons for why people might do that to smuggle them. 4:02:21.040 --> 4:02:22.760 But with all of the rhetoric that the DA has 4:02:22.800 --> 4:02:26.200 been been pushing, like, is it like actually dangerous the 4:02:26.240 --> 4:02:28.000 way that they've been talking about it in terms of 4:02:28.120 --> 4:02:30.640 like it's not it's not talking about harm, production, is 4:02:30.680 --> 4:02:33.040 not talking about ways to actually help. It's just like 4:02:33.200 --> 4:02:37.240 scaring parents, it seems. Yeah. I mean, I think the 4:02:37.400 --> 4:02:41.720 d e A is solely a law enforcement agency. There 4:02:41.920 --> 4:02:45.000 is no one there involved in the treatment of addiction 4:02:45.280 --> 4:02:48.520 in terms of like addiction science, chemistry. No one there 4:02:48.560 --> 4:02:52.440 who is like a performer drug user even Um. So 4:02:52.680 --> 4:02:55.080 their motives are always suspect to me. And I think 4:02:55.200 --> 4:02:58.880 with this rainbow fentanel press release they put it out, 4:02:59.080 --> 4:03:01.880 there was no evidence behind it, that none of it 4:03:02.040 --> 4:03:05.960 made any sense. Um. The term rainbow fentanyl wasn't even 4:03:06.040 --> 4:03:10.120 searchable before August two when the d A made this announcement, 4:03:10.160 --> 4:03:12.720 which is is kind of crazy to think about. Um. 4:03:12.840 --> 4:03:16.720 And then within six weeks of that announcement, US Congress 4:03:16.800 --> 4:03:19.880 has pledged to give them hundreds of millions more dollars 4:03:20.040 --> 4:03:23.520 to quote unquote fight rainbow fentan all, which is again 4:03:23.600 --> 4:03:26.760 a thing that does not exist. Um. And I mean 4:03:26.840 --> 4:03:29.160 looking back, the d e A budget has gone up 4:03:29.360 --> 4:03:33.640 year on year hundreds of percent since like the nineteen eighties, 4:03:33.680 --> 4:03:37.120 but even within the context of our opioid overdose crisis 4:03:37.480 --> 4:03:39.560 has gone up year on year for all of the 4:03:39.640 --> 4:03:42.400 past I don't know however many years you want to 4:03:42.440 --> 4:03:45.920 look at it. Their department size grows every year, uh, 4:03:46.000 --> 4:03:49.200 and overdose deaths go up every year. So whatever they're 4:03:49.240 --> 4:03:52.640 doing is obviously not working. Um. And like you said, 4:03:52.680 --> 4:03:58.360 I mean, they particularly ignore in distract from things like 4:03:58.440 --> 4:04:01.760 harm reduction, from real and space measures and kind of 4:04:01.880 --> 4:04:04.880 public health investments that we could be making. And when 4:04:04.920 --> 4:04:08.440 it comes to hundreds of millions of dollars extra being 4:04:08.760 --> 4:04:11.640 thrown at the d e A for Rainbow fentannel, and 4:04:11.760 --> 4:04:14.360 we think back to, what was it just like last 4:04:14.480 --> 4:04:19.080 winter when the current administration set aside I think thirty 4:04:19.120 --> 4:04:22.040 million dollars towards harm reduction being the first time the 4:04:22.080 --> 4:04:25.800 federal government has put aside dedicated money for harm reduction, 4:04:25.840 --> 4:04:29.000 and that created its own kind of like moral panic 4:04:29.320 --> 4:04:32.760 backlash as well. Um, but thirty million dollars was the 4:04:33.120 --> 4:04:36.520 first and only federal investment in harm reduction, and yet 4:04:36.760 --> 4:04:39.520 three million dollars can be drummed up at the drop 4:04:39.600 --> 4:04:44.680 of a hat for an invented crisis. So it does 4:04:44.760 --> 4:04:46.600 really kind of beg the question of, like, what are 4:04:46.640 --> 4:04:49.080 we doing here? And why are we continuing to do 4:04:49.200 --> 4:04:52.440 things that don't work? What do you wish people knew 4:04:52.680 --> 4:04:55.360 that would help them maybe combat some of the misinformation 4:04:55.480 --> 4:04:57.720 that gets peddled by like lots of like local TV 4:04:57.880 --> 4:05:01.120 stations are very quick to cover types of stories, very 4:05:01.160 --> 4:05:04.280 quick to cover the stories of like your local cop 4:05:04.480 --> 4:05:07.760 just almost died at the school by getting within five 4:05:07.840 --> 4:05:12.280 ft of a sentinel vaporizer or something like like what 4:05:12.640 --> 4:05:15.080 what do you wish people knew to help like combat 4:05:15.240 --> 4:05:18.400 this type of stuff. I mean, it seems like common 4:05:18.480 --> 4:05:21.520 sense is just not common when it comes to drug topics. 4:05:21.680 --> 4:05:24.080 If the police were saying that people were giving out 4:05:25.360 --> 4:05:28.240 guns for Halloween, if they were saying that they found 4:05:28.640 --> 4:05:32.600 uranium or plutonium in a car and four officers went down, 4:05:33.120 --> 4:05:37.560 that would require serious consideration and fact checking before it 4:05:37.680 --> 4:05:41.160 ever was reported on or accepted. And so I mean, 4:05:41.200 --> 4:05:43.720 I think when it comes to this idea that someone 4:05:43.880 --> 4:05:45.640 was in a car with a bag of fentinyl and 4:05:45.920 --> 4:05:48.560 nobody in the car was affected, but the officers outside 4:05:48.600 --> 4:05:51.920 the car all went down, um like just basic kind 4:05:51.960 --> 4:05:56.520 of critical thinking or applying any lens of skepticism, I mean, 4:05:56.640 --> 4:05:59.600 makes all of these narratives fall apart. So that would 4:05:59.600 --> 4:06:03.600 be I mean, my biggest ask in people watching these stories. 4:06:04.160 --> 4:06:07.560 I feel like the onus of responsibility really should be 4:06:07.640 --> 4:06:09.760 on the ones who are reporting it, not to just 4:06:09.920 --> 4:06:12.960 necessarily take the words of law enforcement as authority on 4:06:13.080 --> 4:06:16.000 every subject, especially when they do not have the background 4:06:16.080 --> 4:06:19.760 to be authorities on how things like ventinyl work. Before 4:06:19.800 --> 4:06:21.640 we close out, I would like to talk a little 4:06:21.680 --> 4:06:25.400 bit about narcan um like what it is, what it does, 4:06:25.560 --> 4:06:30.280 and where people can get it. So Narcan is amazing. 4:06:30.520 --> 4:06:33.880 I cannot say enough positive things about Narcan. I mean, 4:06:34.640 --> 4:06:37.160 I'm not like a religious person or anything, but if 4:06:37.240 --> 4:06:42.200 miracles were to exist, Narcan is literally a miracle, um 4:06:42.480 --> 4:06:44.800 and especially if anyone has ever seen it in action. 4:06:44.920 --> 4:06:46.480 But so, what it is for people who don't know, 4:06:46.600 --> 4:06:49.960 Narcan is the brand name nasal spray of nilock Zone, 4:06:50.080 --> 4:06:53.720 which is the antidote or the reversal agent for anyone 4:06:53.800 --> 4:06:58.320 experiencing an opioid overdose, including fentyl. And there are no 4:06:58.480 --> 4:07:01.080 opioids that Narcan does not work on. It isn't gonna 4:07:01.360 --> 4:07:06.040 reverse every situation, certainly, um. But it is a perfect antidote, 4:07:06.120 --> 4:07:07.800 so to speak, or as close to one as we 4:07:08.120 --> 4:07:10.600 have ever had, um And So I mean, if you 4:07:11.200 --> 4:07:13.680 are worried about someone experiencing an overdose, it's something that 4:07:13.800 --> 4:07:16.960 you can carry or have nearby, and anyone can give it. 4:07:17.240 --> 4:07:21.400 It was the nasal spray was actually designed with taxpayer dollars. 4:07:21.440 --> 4:07:25.680 Interestingly enough um so that an untrained child could administer it, 4:07:25.800 --> 4:07:28.320 and so it's very easy to use. It's very easy 4:07:28.360 --> 4:07:31.520 to obtain for the most part, nowadays it's available and 4:07:31.680 --> 4:07:34.080 I think almost every state without a prescription, you can 4:07:34.120 --> 4:07:36.560 just go to your pharmacy and ask for it UM. 4:07:36.720 --> 4:07:38.360 If you can't get it from like your local health 4:07:38.400 --> 4:07:42.160 department or another harm reduction organization. But I have it 4:07:42.320 --> 4:07:45.960 in my car and every work bag I have UM, 4:07:46.040 --> 4:07:47.960 I take it with me when I travel. It's something 4:07:48.040 --> 4:07:50.640 that people can carry and really makes a big difference. 4:07:50.720 --> 4:07:54.200 And obviously you don't want to experience or come across 4:07:54.240 --> 4:07:56.560 someone having an overdose. But it's much better to have 4:07:56.880 --> 4:08:00.080 with you UM if you need it than to be 4:08:00.280 --> 4:08:03.760 unprepared and have to kind of deal with the consequences. 4:08:04.040 --> 4:08:07.600 And I think this far into this like opioid overdose 4:08:07.720 --> 4:08:11.040 crisis that the United States and now most of the 4:08:11.080 --> 4:08:14.160 world has been experiencing. Most people can probably think of 4:08:14.280 --> 4:08:17.680 someone who they know who they've lost to overdose or 4:08:18.240 --> 4:08:21.920 or similar situation UM, and you don't want to kind 4:08:21.960 --> 4:08:25.480 of be stuck regretting it later. Well, thank you so much. UM. 4:08:25.920 --> 4:08:30.320 Where can people find you on the internet? So I'm 4:08:30.480 --> 4:08:34.320 mostly just on Twitter at Ryan Marino, just my name 4:08:34.400 --> 4:08:37.000 on word all right, Well, thank you so much for 4:08:37.200 --> 4:08:41.200 coming on to talk to us about the latest scourge 4:08:41.280 --> 4:08:46.880 hiding inside your kid's Halloween basket. Thanks so with that, 4:08:47.160 --> 4:08:49.360 that does it for us today here at it could 4:08:49.400 --> 4:08:53.600 happen here? Um, have fun, tricker treating. Um, if you 4:08:53.680 --> 4:08:56.320 have any drugs, good for you. I'm happy you got 4:08:56.400 --> 4:08:59.520 this for free. Watch out for cars. Uh those are 4:08:59.520 --> 4:09:03.360 actually day dress. And thanks thanks to everybody who attended 4:09:03.600 --> 4:09:06.200 the recent It could Happen here live stream. Thank you 4:09:06.280 --> 4:09:09.200 so much for coming. I hope to get through more questions, 4:09:09.280 --> 4:09:10.800 but we went a little long because there were so 4:09:10.800 --> 4:09:13.320 many people. But I will I will answer two more 4:09:13.400 --> 4:09:16.040 questions here. Did you know that the latest My Little 4:09:16.040 --> 4:09:20.040 Pony movie has a literal xenophobobic fascist dictator as an antagonist? No, 4:09:20.160 --> 4:09:21.920 I did not know that, but it's not surprising based 4:09:21.960 --> 4:09:23.960 on what I know about the recent My Little Pony media. 4:09:24.560 --> 4:09:26.880 And then, um, what do you think is the most 4:09:26.960 --> 4:09:32.200 important thing somebody can have for a disaster or chaos preparedness? 4:09:32.840 --> 4:09:37.080 My personal answer to that would probably be friends, friends, 4:09:37.120 --> 4:09:40.600 really useful UM books on how to like make stuff 4:09:40.680 --> 4:09:43.440 and like how to like you know, basically survival books 4:09:43.480 --> 4:09:45.320 because you don't want to count on having the Internet. 4:09:45.680 --> 4:09:48.280 And then I don't know, like water, water filters, water 4:09:48.400 --> 4:09:51.680 purification tablets. Those would be those would be my picks. 4:09:51.760 --> 4:09:55.400 But I hope everyone has a happy, happy Halloween and 4:09:55.520 --> 4:09:58.960 that doesn't here for it Could Happen Here. 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