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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, Robert Evans here, and I wanted to let

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Speaker 1: you know this is a compilation episode. So every episode

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Speaker 1: of the week that just happened is here in one

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Speaker 1: convenient and with somewhat less ads package for you to

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Speaker 1: listen to in a long stretch if you want. If

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Speaker 1: you've been listening to the episodes every day this week,

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Speaker 1: there's gonna be nothing new here for you. But you

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Speaker 1: can make your own decisions. So look, I ain't gonna

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Speaker 1: hold you. I was not going to cover this because

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Speaker 1: the Domino table to cook out, you know, and I

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Speaker 1: just don't want to feed the machine. But at some

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Speaker 1: somebody got come come get their boy yee. We got

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Speaker 1: to decide, okay, when when did he cross the line? Y'all?

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Speaker 1: And has he crossed the line? Because you know, the

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Speaker 1: important nuance it this is how we've survived is collective,

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Speaker 1: we looked out for each other. You know. I don't

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Speaker 1: braids inside of people's hair were maps. You know, the

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Speaker 1: Negro spirituals you you you sang songs. It's code for

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Speaker 1: when it was time to go. Harriet Tubman when she

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Speaker 1: with our volts. But that being said, at some point

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Speaker 1: I didn't want to cover yeah, because I still don't

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Speaker 1: know how I feel. There are some statements that he

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Speaker 1: part of conversation. What Sophie hit me and the good

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Speaker 1: Helmy Garrison Robert and it could happen here. Teams, Sharine

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Speaker 1: be a good day. Welcome to It can happen here.

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Speaker 1: In the podcast, when are we talking about Kanye West's

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Speaker 1: meanwhile posted an article that West merely had been locked

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Speaker 1: this into a free speech issue. Um. However, Kanye associate

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Speaker 1: This is that's this is. It's those things. Okay, be conservative,

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Speaker 1: she also does some pretty gross anti semitic kind of

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Speaker 1: talking about. The tweet inspired questions, not answers. First and foremost,

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Speaker 1: Is he tweeting this because he's reading the Newsweek headline

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Speaker 1: Because that's the reaction, Like when I woke up and

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Speaker 1: Um man, she like the man. It's like like I'm

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Speaker 1: that's that is just directly ripped from like Nazi theory.

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Speaker 1: Cannice Owens's boss Ben Shapiro had to acknowledge that Kanye's

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Speaker 1: tweets were anti Semitic. He he made He made a

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Speaker 1: like Ben Shapiro, I know what you're doing. I know

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Speaker 1: what you're calling it to the Jewish holiday. Fuck you

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Speaker 1: back from the Jewish Holiday now. As usual, two things

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Speaker 1: posts and black Hebrew is Alite language are clearly anti

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Speaker 1: guy named Jason Woodlock. So Woodlock is a sports journalist

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Speaker 1: It's a self affirming conspiracy theory. The anti Semite claims

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Speaker 1: not it's not oversaturated in Yeah, and that being said,

425
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 1: I'm like a white communities, they got healthcare, So it's

426
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:34,680
Speaker 1: like there's a different story, you know what I'm saying.

427
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:36,639
Speaker 1: It's like, you go where it's needed. I'm like, I

428
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 1: ain't got no healthcare over here. That's why they here,

429
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 1: you know. I Mean, this isn't obviously, this isn't a

430
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 1: planned parenthood stand video or podcast. But at the same time,

431
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, of course they got their problems, like

432
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 1: every other organization got their problems. But like the idea

433
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 1: that there's this like sinister plot, you know, is clearly

434
00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:01,400
Speaker 1: the rantings of someone who is not well. It does

435
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 1: it's it is parenting, just conspiracy talking points. At this point,

436
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 1: the way, the way he doesn't the way he's doing.

437
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 1: And in one of the more blatantly anti semitic sections

438
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 1: that were that was edited out, Kanye complains about Kwanza

439
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,120
Speaker 1: being taught to his kids in school and and says

440
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,919
Speaker 1: that he would prefer his kids learn Hanaka because it

441
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 1: comes with financial engineering. Was biting my tongue on my

442
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 1: political opinion because I thought it would be better for

443
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 1: my children. And now you look up and my kids

444
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 1: are going to a school that teaches black kids a

445
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 1: complicated Kwanza. I prefer my kids new Hanaka and Kuanza.

446
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:46,159
Speaker 1: At least it will come with some financial engineering. I'm sorry,

447
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:50,400
Speaker 1: what wait? I mean? This is? This is this type

448
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,440
Speaker 1: of thing like you should learn from the Jews because

449
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 1: they're good at controlling money. Like yeah, it makes me

450
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,639
Speaker 1: feel like he purposely tweeted that stuff because it was

451
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 1: cut out, like because like maybe ing his idea of

452
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 1: being I mean, I think I think he tweeted that

453
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,159
Speaker 1: stuff out. He tweeted that he tweeted up on Twitter

454
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 1: in response to him getting banned on Instagram, and the

455
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 1: stuff on Instagram was directly against a rapper who was

456
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 1: calling him out on his ship um I don't know

457
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 1: if Kanye watched the Tucker Carlson interview. I don't know. UM.

458
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:27,679
Speaker 1: And then in one of the more bizarre things that

459
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 1: he said, Kanye West talked about a so called fake

460
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,639
Speaker 1: child that had been planted in his home, including he

461
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 1: went into explicit detail talking about the child's name and

462
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 1: the parents name and this this video clip was not

463
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:45,360
Speaker 1: posted to protect the family's privacy. UM, but he went

464
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,719
Speaker 1: into great detail. And we have some we have some

465
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 1: like transcripts saying, I actors, professional actors placed into my

466
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 1: house to sexualize my kids. He he he referred to

467
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,879
Speaker 1: the so called son of an associate, seemingly implying that

468
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 1: the child was fake, saying that we we we we

469
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 1: did not believe that the person was her son because

470
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:11,400
Speaker 1: he was way smarter than her. UM. And he it's

471
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 1: it's the This is like the most clear example of

472
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 1: the ramblings of someone who like isn't okay, Like it's

473
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 1: like like someone having a mental health episode like. Connie

474
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 1: has spoken frequently about living with bipolar disorder and experiencing

475
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 1: manic episodes. In twenty nineteen, he discussed how experiences these

476
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 1: with David Letterman, saying, quote, when you're in the state,

477
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 1: you're hyper parented about everything and everyone in my experience,

478
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 1: other people have different experiences. You know, everyone is now

479
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 1: an actor, Everything is now a conspiracy, uncut and this

480
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 1: is what's happening. You're thinking everyone's an actor and everyone's conspiracy.

481
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: You're really I mean, you can look at gang stocking,

482
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 1: which is probably an expression of people having schizophrenic episodes,

483
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 1: where people believe that like crowds of just random folks

484
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 1: on the street are like part of an organized stalking

485
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 1: thing or just there's these One kind of common thing

486
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 1: that happens in psychotic episodes for some people is a

487
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 1: belief that their loved ones, their spouse or whatever has

488
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 1: been replaced by someone who looks exactly the sin. There's

489
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: also certain kinds of like we call that damage. We

490
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 1: call that Nathan Fielder syndrome. I was going to say that,

491
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 1: but I didn't want to drag it to this. It's

492
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: I mean, it's one of those This is I don't

493
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 1: know how you actually would ever study this, but I

494
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 1: think one of the major problems are our civilization has

495
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 1: that might actually end us is the fact that every

496
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 1: mental illness on the planet is vastly exacerbated by the

497
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 1: person having a lot of money, which also happens to

498
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 1: make it virtually impossible to treat because no one around

499
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: you will admit that anything is wrong. And this again

500
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,239
Speaker 1: might someday, combined with the fact that we have an

501
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 1: addiction on this planet to handing a single individual the

502
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 1: keys to a nuclear stockpile, this might all end in

503
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 1: really badly for everybody. And when you're one of those

504
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 1: famous people in the world, you constantly feel like you're

505
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:10,959
Speaker 1: being gang stocked because you are like everyone watching you,

506
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: like every like it's it's not humans weren't designed to

507
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 1: reach that level of fame. That's not something that we'd

508
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 1: like developed, Like, that's that's you shouldn't that should not

509
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 1: be possible. Our brains are not equipped for it. Yeah,

510
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 1: And then I feel like it's like they get affirmed

511
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 1: in that belief because a lot of people do rely

512
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 1: on them and maybe they're mania to like make sure

513
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 1: they get paid or make sure like their family they're

514
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 1: being Yeah, you're being you know, Like I have a

515
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: small list of like actual like a list like celebrity

516
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 1: friends who have been you know who are like for

517
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 1: real celebrities and are also like, yeah, my uh my

518
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,479
Speaker 1: last accountants stole two hundred thousand dollars from me, Like,

519
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 1: and I didn't even know, you know, uh this person,

520
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 1: you know, I had this person on tour with me,

521
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 1: and you know they robbed this guy robbed the opener.

522
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: Like just all these like stories to where you're like, well, yeah,

523
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: the people you do have around you, So even if

524
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: you didn't have mental health issues, you would get paranoid,

525
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 1: you would still get paranoid. Yeah, it's example to get paranoid.

526
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it's I yeah, all of it's all

527
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 1: of this is very obvious as a problem. But and

528
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 1: what's unsettling to me. Sorry, I just want to say

529
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 1: really quickly, one of the things that the fact that Kanye,

530
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: as you you pointed out years earlier, very astutely talked

531
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 1: about the things that happened to him when he is

532
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 1: having an episode in a very lucid way, makes me wonder,

533
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: and maybe this is a little conspiratorial where they're people

534
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: listening who are like, well, shit, if we can just

535
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 1: play into that stuff, we might be able to get

536
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 1: him to we might be able to push him in

537
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 1: whatever direction we want. Because there's definitely a whole unch

538
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,479
Speaker 1: of people. I mean, I can totally see Kenda someone's

539
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: doing that because because she's she's been playing him like

540
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: a fiddle for a long time. And that's a long time.

541
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 1: That's gonna reach a tipping point at the end, at

542
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: the end end end of this episode. And one could ask,

543
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 1: how could you be so heartless? Oh? How could you

544
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: be so It wasn't how could you be there? Evil?

545
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: But also I didn't get along the same thread of

546
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 1: a tortured artist thinking they have to be depressed, yes,

547
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 1: make art. I think there's an element of that even

548
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 1: for Kanye, like I don't think, I mean, I think

549
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: it was if he's medicated or not, you know what

550
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 1: I mean, Like he is. He has said that sometimes

551
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 1: he goes authentication. Yeah, exactly, you know, and I and yeah,

552
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: the tortured artist thing. I know some like New York

553
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: Times bestsellers authors who are like, yes, I know I'm bipolar,

554
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: and I know when I have to write this book,

555
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 1: I'm going to get off these pills. I'm gonna write

556
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 1: it in in two days, I'm gonna turn in. And

557
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: I think that's that's made worse by people like tying

558
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 1: like people in doing my research for this episode, a

559
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 1: lot of people talk to West in person and like

560
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: talk about like his genius, And I think this idea

561
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: of his genius mixed in with his mental state can

562
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: create a really volatile reaction someone's brain when they feel

563
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: like certain altered states of consciousness are what makes you

564
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 1: have your genius. And that's really the way people have

565
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: talked about this to Conye in person. I think it's

566
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: really unhealthy. Yeah. I would argue that telling a child

567
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: they're a genius is abusive, and it's probably true for

568
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 1: telling an adult. It's one of the worst things you

569
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: can ever tell anybody. Don't don't, no one's a genius.

570
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 1: Stop using that word. It's poison. You think your illness

571
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 1: is your genius? Yeah, going back to this, like to

572
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 1: these leaked unused Tucker Carlson videos, something like this in

573
00:33:55,600 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: a better world would like completely tank Tucker forever, Like yeah,

574
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 1: but none of that matter because in any other yeah,

575
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 1: in any other universe, at that point you should be like, yo,

576
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: we gotta stop the cameras man. No. Yeah, Like, this

577
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,320
Speaker 1: leak reveals unequivocally how Carlson uses this platform to sanitize

578
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: anti Semitism and other conspiracy theories. For a general audience.

579
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: Carlson cuts out just enough to claim plausible deniability. This

580
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 1: will not impact him professionally at all. Um, he makes

581
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: his he makes a living manipult people on Fox News. Um,

582
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: this should tank him. It won't, But it does reveal

583
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: how he works with extreme clarity. Having these behind the

584
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: scenes glimpses and then also having having the added context

585
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 1: of these cut segments also shines a light on some

586
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: of the more dog whistle the aspects that did make

587
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 1: it into the aired interview. Uh like this bit that

588
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,240
Speaker 1: started with that that that that started with Kanye talking

589
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 1: about his grievances with Jared Kushner, you know, or he

590
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 1: made these peace treaties? Where was that? You know? The

591
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 1: facts on this right here. So I'm like, well, I

592
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 1: think that was between Israe and some of the Arab nations.

593
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 1: I just think it was to make money. I don't know,

594
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 1: is that is that too heavy handed to put in

595
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 1: this platform? No, that's that's your opinion. We're not in

596
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 1: a censorship business, Okay, thank you. And I just think

597
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:19,399
Speaker 1: that that's what they're about is making money. I don't

598
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 1: think that they have the ability to make anything on

599
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: their own. I think they were born into money. So

600
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:27,720
Speaker 1: when Kanye said I don't think they have the ability

601
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 1: to make anything on their own and talking about, you know,

602
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 1: peace treatise with the intention to make money, Carlson knew

603
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 1: that Kanye was just talking about like the Jews, like

604
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: that's like he he knew that's what was going on,

605
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:45,320
Speaker 1: and decided to keep those dog whistly aspects. It's yeah,

606
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 1: I'm I'm going to quote from a lad near ry.

607
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 1: This provides uncontrovertible proof that Carlson knew Kanye was being

608
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 1: anti Semitic during the interview. In other words, Tucker Carlson

609
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: and his team purposely edited their footage to make Kanye's

610
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 1: comments into a dog whistle instead of a foghorn. He

611
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:06,399
Speaker 1: purposely coded Kanye's anti semitism. Carlson knows how to spread

612
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 1: anti semitism while avoid getting called out. He did it here.

613
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 1: This itself should be a far bigger scandal than anything

614
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: Kanye has said. Carlson knowingly spreaded this code anti semitism

615
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 1: and knowingly kept the anti semitism that he knew he

616
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 1: wouldn't get called out on, and knowingly cut the part

617
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,359
Speaker 1: that he knew would get him in trouble. Carlson has

618
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 1: spent has spent years spreading anti Semitic conspiracy theories, from

619
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: a full documentary about George Sorrow's destroying Western civilization to

620
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 1: multiple uses of the Great Replacement conspiracy theory to anti

621
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 1: Semitic guests talking about globalist elites ruling in d C.

622
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 1: This is who Tucker Carlson is America's leading purveyor of

623
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 1: mainstream anti Semitism. He also showed everybody the the ultra

624
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 1: light being to the genitals. He did one thing and

625
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 1: it was more based moments. That was pretty Uh that

626
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: was a thing. I was like, all right, man, okay,

627
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: you did genital tannin got it? Uh, But yeah, that's

628
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 1: his that's his particular Like mutant power is saying something

629
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,760
Speaker 1: without saying something, and all of us know what you're saying,

630
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: but you ain't say it. So when I go, what

631
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: then did you just say? You could say? What? Are

632
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 1: you talking about? Nothing? You know it? I mean he's

633
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: got it. I mean he's he's the Picasso that like

634
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 1: just and it's and it's so infuriating and speaking of

635
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: kind of dog whistles and stuff, similar to Kanye has

636
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 1: been about the Jews creating cancel culture by doing the

637
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 1: whole I don't think they have the ability to make

638
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 1: anything on their own statement, Kanye isn't playing another kind

639
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 1: of classic anti anti Semitic trope that or that originates

640
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 1: with Nazi propaganda, um that you know, Jews are incapable

641
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 1: of physical labor or making things. This comes up a

642
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: lot in the nineteen forty Nazi propaganda film The Eternal Jew,

643
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: one of the most vile films ever made a quote

644
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: from Mike Rothschild, So now, I I don't think Kanye

645
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 1: Kandie is not seeing the Eternal Jew. All the the

646
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 1: only people, most weird Nazi nerds who referenced the Eternal

647
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 1: Jew haven't seen the Eternal Jew. Like But but the

648
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 1: point is that you don't need to see it. These

649
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: these these stereotypes are so ingrained to how many people

650
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 1: see Jewish people that there's things that you can believe

651
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 1: without the slightest consideration or like a deep thought. Well,

652
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: and they were, you know, the The Eternal Jew was

653
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: influential in anti Semitic propaganda, but a lot of what

654
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:46,240
Speaker 1: it was doing was kind of codifying, almost if you will,

655
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:51,280
Speaker 1: the most popular stereotypes and racialist attacks of the day.

656
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: Like it It didn't invent stuff so much as it

657
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 1: was like, all right, we're going to we're going to

658
00:38:56,120 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: boil it all down in kind of the most iconic form. Yeah,

659
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:02,439
Speaker 1: there's I was today years old. I had no idea

660
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: what you some up. Uh, But but I can see

661
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 1: how that concept has such source material because as somebody

662
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: who you know, I have just anti Semitism is just

663
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 1: has never been on the menu for me. Um. Some

664
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:27,320
Speaker 1: of the the tropes that come with that, in my mind,

665
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: seems so bizarre from like what are you talking about?

666
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 1: What did that come from? What did you talk about?

667
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,879
Speaker 1: They did what? Now? You know? So like someone like

668
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 1: so to know that, like, well there is source material,

669
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:41,919
Speaker 1: there's there's stuff that comes from it comes from this time.

670
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 1: It was because it is because this was like an

671
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: intentional thing that people have been pushing towards for hundreds

672
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: of years, like this is it's it's yes, this didn't

673
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: just happen, this is like people are trying to make

674
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 1: this a reality, like it's it's it has been a

675
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 1: propaganda project and a hate campaign that's been genocidal for

676
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 1: hundreds of years. Yeah, because I'm like, okay, you know

677
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 1: at sometimes Okay, I'm trying to say, what up? Let

678
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 1: me try to figure out what I'm trying to say.

679
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 1: Sometimes you can track, Yeah, like the protocols, Like the protocols.

680
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 1: I was like, until you understand those protocols, Like some

681
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 1: of the anti Semitic thought and rhetoric is like, man,

682
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? Like what you know? Text

683
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 1: like that don't just like pop into existence. Someone wrote

684
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:31,240
Speaker 1: that with a specific intent, with an intent for something.

685
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 1: But what I'm the point I'm trying to get at

686
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 1: is like there are some racist sentiments and tropes that

687
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: I I'm following your logic as to why you're saying

688
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 1: that about them, Like clearly it's a racist shrope. But

689
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 1: black men are violent. And I'm like, well, okay, I mean,

690
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 1: if all you know of us is gang violence, if

691
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:56,879
Speaker 1: that's all you've seen, and I'm following your logic, you've

692
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: just never been exposing any other stuff. Now, once you

693
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 1: get exposing and stuff, you still feel like that, it's

694
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 1: like all right, you just you just trash, You just

695
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 1: you just trash. But I'm like, I'm following, I'm following you.

696
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:09,959
Speaker 1: You know what i mean? You only know rap music Okay,

697
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 1: that's all you know of us. Okay, then you think

698
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: that this is what we are racist, because clearly most

699
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 1: people are more than everybody's, more than the one thing

700
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 1: you're trying to put them in, you know. But I'm

701
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,879
Speaker 1: following that it's just for me again, like I said,

702
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: since like anti Semitism was never on the menu, like

703
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 1: it was never just it just wasn't a part of

704
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 1: my world. When you hear things like the Protocols of

705
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:35,240
Speaker 1: Zion and and some of this stuff, even even learning

706
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 1: about the Holocaust, Like if you're a black person, you like,

707
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 1: what's your deal? Like why what? What you what is

708
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: so wrong with them? Like I don't understand why you

709
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 1: don't like them so much? Like it it's just it's

710
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 1: like I can't even follow your logic, you know, because

711
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: it's not even personal hatred of all people, right, It's

712
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 1: it's framed within this conspiratory thing. But like, no, I

713
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 1: don't hate Jewish people. I'm just questioning the Jewish power

714
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 1: brokers in Hollywood and I think that they have too

715
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 1: much influence. Right, That's how it's framed, and that's how

716
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 1: people that's how someone like Kandie might actually like I

717
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 1: think I actually feel because it works in Hollywood, right,

718
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 1: But but that but that is the only way you

719
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 1: get there is because of decades of anti semitism like that,

720
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 1: that's it's it's it's it's that. That's that's the kind

721
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 1: of point I was trying. Not that, Yeah, j K Rowling,

722
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 1: Banker Goblins, and it just like exists by itself exactly

723
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 1: like none none of these things are made in a vacuum.

724
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 1: They made thought of that. So you said it, oh ship,

725
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 1: oh yeah, there's a start of David on the floor

726
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:43,839
Speaker 1: of the bank. I didn't even notice it. That don't

727
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 1: point out its yeah one. I mean, one of the

728
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: things people will point out that is true is that

729
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 1: that was not a set. They were filming in an

730
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,800
Speaker 1: actual building and they chose to have that there, and

731
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: and the building had a star of David in the

732
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 1: Florida and they chose to film there. Yes, it seems

733
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: like that would have been something people might have noticed, yeah,

734
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 1: at least not even go over it, not even like

735
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 1: yo yo maybe maybe listen, maybe we don't mean anything

736
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 1: by it, but it could be seen as you know, yeah,

737
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 1: and just like just like none of these things that

738
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 1: are in a vacuum and Kanye's own statements are not

739
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 1: in a vacuum. After Kanye made these tweets, uh, you know,

740
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 1: four Chan was quick to take it, was quick to

741
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 1: eat up the Kanye pill. There Kanye Kanye threads took

742
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:40,360
Speaker 1: up of took up most of polls posts for for days.

743
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:44,240
Speaker 1: There's there's just there's screenshots of of poll just Kanye

744
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:46,360
Speaker 1: post after Kanye post, all of all of the trending

745
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 1: ones are all about Kanye. Uh. Nick Frentz and his

746
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: like grapper followers were celebrating the tweets and they see

747
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 1: this as an opportunity took on a mainstream you know

748
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 1: there their brand of horrible anti Semitic fascism um, and

749
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 1: I hope people are prepared to take on you know,

750
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 1: fake Kanye stand accounts that are going to pop up

751
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 1: everywhere to defending is Ani Semitism, like you know, and

752
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 1: defending and talking about anti Semitism from the point of

753
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 1: quote unquote being a Kanye fan. It's there's a lot

754
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 1: of Yeah, we've been a lot of fascist trolling is

755
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 1: gonna it's gonna come in the mask of Kanye West now.

756
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 1: And we have been Yeah, we've I mean We've been

757
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:33,320
Speaker 1: enduring among black Twitter. We have been enduring Kanye stands

758
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 1: for a while. You know what I'm saying that are

759
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:38,280
Speaker 1: just like, no, it's just a genius, y'all, don't understand.

760
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,359
Speaker 1: He's playing three D. We've been enduring this for a while.

761
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 1: It's actually been very interesting in the sphere of the Internet.

762
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: I existed of seeing people being like, uh, yeah, no,

763
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 1: I got nothing. Yeah. There has been a good amount

764
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,839
Speaker 1: of people that are finally tapped out, And I think, well,

765
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:59,720
Speaker 1: I think that what is that type of vacuum opens

766
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 1: up face for bad actors to use the mask of

767
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 1: Kanye to then just promote fascism under under this mask

768
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 1: now like Trump, like magat sure, I mean like, And

769
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 1: I think that this creates a more specific type of

770
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:18,240
Speaker 1: dog whistle think because megas obviously way more way more broad.

771
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: I meant like me like Kanye's use of absolutely, I mean,

772
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: we have you know. Nick Frentees posted the tweets and

773
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: his in his telegrams saying no way, we are so back.

774
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:35,280
Speaker 1: Do you trust the plan? Baked Alaska? Do you trust

775
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 1: Baked Alaska? Posted his telegram This is real, vindicated and

776
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 1: one of my least favorite telegram channels Zoomer Waffen, which god,

777
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 1: just god, it's called every every time I talked about

778
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 1: zoomer waff I like I lose five years of life.

779
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:59,800
Speaker 1: So people again, because folks who are not terminally online

780
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 1: or like, what are you guys talking about? Waffen means

781
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,839
Speaker 1: weapon in German. The reason that it is a thing

782
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,959
Speaker 1: the Nazis talk about is that the s S had

783
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 1: like a bunch of different things the s S did,

784
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:12,919
Speaker 1: but one of the things they had was a unit

785
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 1: that existed within kind of the traditional hierarchy called the

786
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: Waffen s S, which means the weapons s S. They

787
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 1: committed a shipload of war crimes. Ever since, Waffen has

788
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:23,720
Speaker 1: been a thing that you can kind of like stick

789
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: to the end of the name of a group and

790
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:28,800
Speaker 1: you're signifying that you think the SS was based Adam.

791
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 1: Waffen is kind of the most prominent terrorist group in

792
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 1: the United States and other countries. That's been a big thing.

793
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 1: And you know, it's not like zoom like you get

794
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 1: what they're saying, the zoom or Waffen, right, it's the

795
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 1: thing anyway, That's that's what you need to know. I

796
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 1: just I just I get so pissed because I'm like,

797
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 1: he's fucking nerds, know that, dangerous fucking nerds. It sucks. Yeah,

798
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 1: I hate you, y, I'm just like you, just you God,

799
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 1: if you weren't so dangerously violent, you know, just yeah,

800
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:10,760
Speaker 1: that's that. That is the recurring statement on this show

801
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:13,839
Speaker 1: is that if they weren't dangerous, they would be much

802
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 1: more funny. Um so yeah, the Zoomerwafins posted the tweet

803
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,720
Speaker 1: and not not not all heroes wear capes somewhere easy

804
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:28,919
Speaker 1: gath merch and with its anyway. So, just two days

805
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:32,399
Speaker 1: after the ati semitic posts on his social media accounts

806
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:36,760
Speaker 1: which got him banned, Conye then attended the Nashville premier

807
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:42,359
Speaker 1: of Candice Owens Daily Wire documentary project The Greatest Lie

808
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 1: Ever Sold George Floyd and the Rise of BLM. And

809
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 1: just imagine being one of the most famous people on

810
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:54,879
Speaker 1: the planet and choosing to hang out with the Daily Wire. Yeah,

811
00:47:55,520 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: like like the like they like the word grooming obviously

812
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 1: means nothing now, but like they groomed him into this ship,

813
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 1: like the and groomed him into this nonsense. Kanye made

814
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:13,360
Speaker 1: a lot of choices here, and those choices were like

815
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: very selfish and based in narcissism. And while he is sick,

816
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:22,760
Speaker 1: he's not a victim fundamentally, but he also is being

817
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 1: taken advantage of, right, Like that's that's fair to say.

818
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 1: That doesn't exculpate him from his guilt inness. But we're

819
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:34,280
Speaker 1: going Mr West another another Kanye reference, Wake up, Mr West,

820
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 1: and like, like real quick, the the part that is

821
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 1: so well, obviously it's all inferiorating. But I'm like, you're

822
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 1: you're you're going out of your way to purposefully tear

823
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 1: down black people when they suffering. You don't have to.

824
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 1: You don't You could even say, like, hey, you know

825
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: which is true, Like there are some in the organization

826
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 1: of Black Lives Matter as an organization, there's some problematic

827
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 1: stuff that needs to be discussed and worked out, you

828
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, and being like, Okay, well, let's

829
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:15,239
Speaker 1: get some oversight here. What are we doing here, Let's

830
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:19,320
Speaker 1: have some accountability? Why are you why are you inting

831
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 1: Swart Floyd Man, Well, because this is this is this

832
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 1: is Kenneth Owens like explicit grift exactly. That's what she

833
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 1: she Her job is to conflate the Black Lives Matter

834
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:35,879
Speaker 1: nonprofit organization with the Black Lives Matter movement, and and

835
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 1: and and use criticisms of the nonprofit organization to basically

836
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 1: say that any form of advocacy by people of color

837
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:46,240
Speaker 1: in you know, using the Black Lives Matter movement banner

838
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 1: is is discredited because of the issues with the formal

839
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 1: nonprofit organization in Portland. I have never I've never seen

840
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 1: a single thing related to the Black Lives Matter organization,

841
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: not a single thing. I mean, I guess maybe the

842
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 1: signs like are solved by them, I don't know that.

843
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:05,879
Speaker 1: But like, it's it's not it's not a president. We're

844
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 1: talking about risings. It's not a fit. Like it's the

845
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 1: the conflation of the of the nonprofit organization with the

846
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 1: movement is the specific thing that canadas Once has focused

847
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 1: on for the past five years of her career. That's

848
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:21,399
Speaker 1: that's what she makes money on, is exploiting this little thing.

849
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 1: And it's the thing that Tucker has adopted and this

850
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 1: is the thing that she is convinced. It's just so

851
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 1: it's just so like what do you do, like, okay,

852
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:37,720
Speaker 1: so any anything, okay, talk about talk about globalism you okay,

853
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 1: that's your little thing. That's your little thing. Okay, uh,

854
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:43,320
Speaker 1: you know, you don't like that. You don't like the Democrats,

855
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 1: you know, you know, Brandon whatever. But it's like, Okay,

856
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 1: a man died and and that's and the cop was

857
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 1: proven guilty and that that that's that's the most gross

858
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 1: part because Kanye is embraced conpc theories now about the

859
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 1: fine thing, right, Yeah, but his embraceive conspiracy theories is

860
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 1: not just limited to anti is not just limited to

861
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 1: anti Semitism. He now openly denies the proven facts of

862
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 1: the events that led to the most recent international uprising

863
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:12,800
Speaker 1: in the Black Lives Matter movement. He jumped on board

864
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:16,720
Speaker 1: his pal kendas owens absurd quote unquote documentary that claims

865
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 1: the sequence of events proven in court and witnessed by

866
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 1: the world via self and footage, did not actually happen. Um.

867
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 1: That's why I'm like, you're going out of your way now.

868
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 1: It's like you you're you're on a path, and I'm like,

869
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:35,799
Speaker 1: you're purposefully going out of your way to hurt us.

870
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 1: And that's the part that I'm like, what I said,

871
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 1: I don't use the word cone often, but I'm like, like,

872
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 1: why are you doing why are you doing this? Like

873
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 1: you're you're well because we know why you're doing it.

874
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:51,959
Speaker 1: And it's just like Candice, come on, like Cape Cape

875
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 1: for the Republicans, do what you gotta do if you

876
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 1: honestly think the solutions for our community comes from the

877
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 1: conservative world, Kape for him, do what you gott You

878
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:04,919
Speaker 1: don't have to go out of your way like this

879
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:08,959
Speaker 1: is you're going to like you're taking the scenic route

880
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 1: to just like okay, yeah, it's they it's because I

881
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 1: don't they don't actually believe that that's what the solutions.

882
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:23,319
Speaker 1: They're just they're just living a really wealthy, extravagant lifestyle. Canda,

883
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 1: someone gets to travel with Kanye West to Paris Fashion Week,

884
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 1: she gets to have a red Carb premier with Kanye West,

885
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 1: Kid Rock and ray J. Like that's that's the life

886
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 1: that she has been able to create by exploiting this thing.

887
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 1: And of course she's going to do it because that's

888
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:42,919
Speaker 1: how you become a millionaire. Two kinds of people get

889
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:46,240
Speaker 1: successful on the right. One kind is fuck you got mine,

890
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get what I can as quickly as I

891
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 1: can uh, and the other is I want to create

892
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 1: a Christian fascist ethno state. Um, Like those are the

893
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 1: two kinds, and one feeds into the other and Canadas,

894
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 1: Owens has decided, I'm fine with helping the other kind

895
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 1: of prominent conservative accomplish their goals because it won't get

896
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 1: too bad, you know, during my lifetime. I can make

897
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:12,319
Speaker 1: enough money. I'm one of the good ones. They're like,

898
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:14,400
Speaker 1: this is this is this is the same thing with

899
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 1: someone like Blair White for you know, for um, for

900
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 1: trans issues. There's there's there's a specific tokenized figures Dave

901
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 1: Reuben with you know, with gay people, like if they

902
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 1: align as one of the good ones and they think

903
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:32,440
Speaker 1: that things won't get bad enough in their lifetime and

904
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:39,319
Speaker 1: they'll they'll they'll just they'll just be able to profit. Yeah, yeah, wait, wait,

905
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 1: just to make sure, is Dave Reuben the dude that

906
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 1: was like, well, scientifically speaking, a mermaid couldn't be that dark. No,

907
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 1: that's uh, that feels like a Ben Shapiro or crowder bit.

908
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 1: I I don't remember specifically, Okay, I thought that the

909
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:57,280
Speaker 1: way it was hilarious, it was one of those clowns

910
00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 1: they yeah, well, scientifically speaking, they're all paid by the

911
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 1: same dude, it doesn't matter. I feel need to get

912
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 1: this joke off, So it's frusting that Kanye not only

913
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 1: just attended the premiere, but it's now actually parenting the

914
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 1: disinformation and the the talking points that Kenneth Owens used

915
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 1: in her faux documentary. So just a few days after

916
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 1: he went to the Red Carpet, he started spreading the

917
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 1: disinformation on the police's murder of George Floyd on a podcast.

918
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 1: I watched the George Floyd documentary that Candice has put up.

919
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:33,799
Speaker 1: One of the things that his two roommates said was,

920
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 1: they want a tall guy like me, they want a

921
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,760
Speaker 1: talk guy like me. And the day when he died,

922
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:44,840
Speaker 1: he said a prayer for you know, eight minutes. He

923
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:49,799
Speaker 1: said a prayer for eight minutes. They hit him with

924
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 1: the fence and all if you look, the guy's knee

925
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:58,720
Speaker 1: wasn't even on his neck like that. When he said Mama, mama,

926
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:01,479
Speaker 1: his is his girlfriend, they said, he's screamed for his mama.

927
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:05,919
Speaker 1: Mama was his girlfriend's in the documentary. So that's pretty bad. Um.

928
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 1: And after after that he starts talking about other kind

929
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:13,759
Speaker 1: of random conspiracy theory stuff that inevitably leads him to

930
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 1: making more comments about the Jews. Um. So here's that

931
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:21,400
Speaker 1: clip they blocked me out. The Jewish media block me out.

932
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 1: This ship lit right, I'm lit right, I'm lit, I'm lit.

933
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, JP Morgan, I put a

934
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:33,839
Speaker 1: hundred forty million dollars and the JP Morgan and they

935
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 1: treated me like ship. So if JP Morgan Chase is

936
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:39,320
Speaker 1: treated me like that, how they treating the rest of you?

937
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 1: And this chaunts That's what I'm saying. I am outraged

938
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:48,279
Speaker 1: by the time. People always they want to calm it

939
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:50,359
Speaker 1: down because no matter what, you didn't break no law.

940
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:55,839
Speaker 1: I didn't break a law anything, but this is it's

941
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 1: like a social contract. Candice always has a word for

942
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 1: him forgetting but it's basically like they told candas so

943
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 1: and she couldn't hang out with me. For the Jewish people.

944
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 1: What I'm doing is I'm me too in the Jewish culture.

945
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:11,880
Speaker 1: I'm saying, y'all gotta stand up and admit to what

946
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 1: you've been doing. And y'all just got away with it

947
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:17,359
Speaker 1: for so long did y'alln't even realize what you're doing?

948
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 1: And it's like I can't funk with me either because

949
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 1: y'all behind that gate of fish, y'all soft, your hands

950
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 1: got soft. You ain't out here getting beat up every

951
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 1: day like me. You ain't out here getting called crazy

952
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 1: every day like me. I'm not gonna play anymore of

953
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:36,280
Speaker 1: that podcast because honestly, this is where it starts getting

954
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 1: into the territory where it's just kind of exploiting someone's

955
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:43,799
Speaker 1: mental health issues for entertainment, and it gets like, this

956
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:47,240
Speaker 1: is where it gets very disjointed. Connie starts talking about

957
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:51,479
Speaker 1: how the Louisvatan company killed one of his friends, Yeah,

958
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 1: who actually died of cancer. Um, it's a it's a

959
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:56,279
Speaker 1: conspiracy that Connie has developed the past year. And he

960
00:56:56,320 --> 00:57:00,120
Speaker 1: also talked about this for seven minutes UM in the

961
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:03,840
Speaker 1: unused Tucker Carlson segments, which I'm also not going to

962
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 1: include because it's also for context, Like Virgil is like

963
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 1: royalty among our community, like what he did being the

964
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 1: versus Black, like head designer at Louis battan Um, and

965
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 1: I think a lot of us think a lot of

966
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 1: us I sound like Trump, a lot of people that

967
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 1: are saying no, but there is an understanding that UM.

968
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 1: Like in a lot of ways Kanye was jealous of him,

969
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 1: Um in the in the way that he was able

970
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 1: to succeed in Louis Batton and then now that he's gone,

971
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 1: and clearly Kanye doesn't grieve well as we know yea

972
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 1: and yeah, another segment of the Tucker leak includes the

973
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 1: clip where Kanye is discussing visions from God on how

974
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 1: to build free energy and fully kinetic energy communities and

975
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 1: kinetic energy cities. So this combine, like this is where

976
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 1: I'm not going to actually include an more clips of

977
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 1: Kanye because it's just it's it's just the laughing at

978
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 1: the person who's not doing okay bit and that's not cool.

979
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 1: Now obviously, like mental illness is not cannot be used

980
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 1: as an excuse for bigotry or anti semitism um. But

981
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:20,960
Speaker 1: exploding someone's suffering through like up a manic episode to

982
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 1: score political points is also like immoral um. And we're

983
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 1: seeing a lot of like false choices being presented towards

984
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 1: mental illness and anti semitism, and the answer can actually

985
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 1: be both. Um. You know, those struggling with mental illness

986
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 1: do not kind of they don't originate these types of bigotry,

987
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 1: right um. But in but when you're manic, you can

988
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 1: latch onto things and reflect them. Um. And that's not

989
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:52,000
Speaker 1: saying it's okay, but that also it's we should not

990
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 1: deny that, Like I have seen a lot of people

991
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 1: saying like, mentally ill people don't say racist things, which

992
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 1: are like, that's not true. Like if like, if you,

993
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 1: if you've been around a lot of mentally ill people,

994
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:06,920
Speaker 1: they cannot they can it's it's it's. It's the same

995
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 1: thing with people when people's brains are deteriorating on dementia.

996
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:14,000
Speaker 1: One of the last things they can say are curse words. Yeah,

997
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 1: it's it's, it's it's it's one of those weird like

998
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 1: like vector points inside our brain. So yeah, you you

999
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 1: actually can be be racist when you're not usually racist

1000
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 1: if you're experiencing a severe mental health episode, and that's

1001
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:28,479
Speaker 1: not that's not excusing you for your behavior. But also

1002
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 1: we shouldn't create this false division, and we shouldn't like

1003
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 1: in some ways it's like you're like a gate keeping

1004
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:38,960
Speaker 1: mental illness by saying no, no real mentally ill person

1005
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:42,840
Speaker 1: could say these bad things, which actually in supportive people

1006
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 1: experiencing mental distress. Yeah, it's on that same lane as

1007
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:50,440
Speaker 1: like the you know, the mass shooters and stuff like that.

1008
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 1: If you're just going to call it mental illness, then

1009
00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 1: like you can obscate any response. But but but also

1010
00:59:57,040 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 1: refusing to acknowledge that mental health can play a fact

1011
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 1: are inside some mass shootings also misses the point exactly.

1012
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:06,040
Speaker 1: It's yeah, you can play a very large factor, especially

1013
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:10,240
Speaker 1: in the waves like Schizawave inspired shootings. Exactly. That's That's

1014
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:14,120
Speaker 1: what I was gonna say. That that that conflation of

1015
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:19,479
Speaker 1: something that really is real and really is important, you know. Uh,

1016
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 1: you see that. I see that with like I've known

1017
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 1: people who have worked in like um, you know, like

1018
01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 1: legit human trafficking, like not like the dog whistlee version,

1019
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 1: but like actual rescuing you know, traffic girls from the

1020
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:43,560
Speaker 1: sex industry who were like pulled from a village you

1021
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:46,080
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying and put into a brothel. Like

1022
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:48,400
Speaker 1: people that are like really out here, like actually doing

1023
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:52,640
Speaker 1: the work, you know, where trafficking is a thing, you know.

1024
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:58,960
Speaker 1: And then you conflated with these you know, conspiracies, and

1025
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 1: then like and of course a person who really works

1026
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 1: in this thing, you like, you finally feel like you

1027
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 1: getting some traction with people to actually care about the

1028
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 1: stuff you care about, you know what I'm saying. And

1029
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 1: now now it's like if you mentioned trafficking. It's like, yeah,

1030
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:18,120
Speaker 1: you can't. It's like, how do I It's like, no, serious,

1031
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:20,560
Speaker 1: it's really a thing. Guy's really it is, you know.

1032
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:24,720
Speaker 1: But trying to disentangle it from Yeah, that's what you're saying,

1033
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 1: is like to to to do a one or the

1034
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:29,680
Speaker 1: other thing is missing the point of both situations. Yeah, yeah,

1035
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:33,600
Speaker 1: because because obviously, like Kanye isn't someone who's dealing with

1036
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 1: like a temporary mental health episode where he's yelling slurs

1037
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:39,040
Speaker 1: on the side of a sidewalk. Kanye is like an

1038
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 1: affulent man who's making calculated and financially driven choices. But

1039
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:46,080
Speaker 1: that still doesn't mean that stuff like bipolar does not

1040
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:49,040
Speaker 1: play a factor in the types of impulsive decision making

1041
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:51,200
Speaker 1: he's making and the types of people that he surrounds

1042
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:54,200
Speaker 1: himself with, which influences this pattern of behavior. Combined with

1043
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:57,520
Speaker 1: like social media and combined with his celebrity status, christ

1044
01:01:57,520 --> 01:02:03,520
Speaker 1: the cycle of really healthy choices. Um Like when when

1045
01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:06,600
Speaker 1: you're talking about like fake children being planted in your home,

1046
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:11,160
Speaker 1: that's like, yeah, that's not like it's that's that's not

1047
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:15,800
Speaker 1: dismissing that as being no way related to mental illness.

1048
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:19,400
Speaker 1: I think is kind of a misstep. Um. I mean

1049
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:22,240
Speaker 1: it's It's one of the things that's tough about this

1050
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:24,280
Speaker 1: is that it hits all of the areas that, like

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Speaker 1: the primary places where conversation takes part socially are worst

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01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:32,480
Speaker 1: at dealing with. Because like, as we've said, mental illness

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01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:34,760
Speaker 1: is a major factor in this. It also does not

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01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:38,200
Speaker 1: exculpate him from bad behavior. It doesn't make what he's

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01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:41,720
Speaker 1: saying not racist. Um. But it's also tied into like

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01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:46,160
Speaker 1: this deep manipulation campaign that the right is because they've

1057
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:48,280
Speaker 1: been looking for a guy like this forever. And you

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01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:51,160
Speaker 1: can see like that that's why Tucker and all these

1059
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:53,520
Speaker 1: folks were so quickly to spin up when he wound

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01:02:53,560 --> 01:02:57,640
Speaker 1: up being like amenable to that, like and it's yeah,

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01:02:57,640 --> 01:03:01,760
Speaker 1: because he's he's very clearly being encouraged to keep doing

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01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:05,600
Speaker 1: these sort of things for like entertainment and cloud um.

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01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:08,160
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of the responses to this

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01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:12,400
Speaker 1: kind of show how stigmatized that more severe personality disorders

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01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:14,600
Speaker 1: are compared to stuff like anxiety or depression or a

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01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:17,880
Speaker 1: d H d UM. Because you also don't want to

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01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:22,520
Speaker 1: like villainize bipolar disorder instinct and stigmatize it further because

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01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:25,120
Speaker 1: a lot of people can live with bipolar disorder. I've

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01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:27,880
Speaker 1: known I've known people that live with with bipolar disorder

1070
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:31,200
Speaker 1: who are not going on anti semitic rants like it's

1071
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:34,120
Speaker 1: like it manifests different and lots of other people. So

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01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:36,080
Speaker 1: it's you should not use this as an example to

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01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:39,080
Speaker 1: stigmatize other people with this or say it's just this

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01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:42,200
Speaker 1: um it creates you have to talk about. You have

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01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:43,560
Speaker 1: to kind of think of with this in a multi

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01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:46,360
Speaker 1: in a multi fasted fashion where someone's not just good

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01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:49,680
Speaker 1: or not just bad. It's actually you have to get

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01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:55,360
Speaker 1: you know, less into like puritanical, you know, perfectly unblemished

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01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:59,640
Speaker 1: victims and you know evil e like like evil intention

1080
01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:02,320
Speaker 1: depress serves like it. It's it's more complicated than that.

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Speaker 1: And the Internet is bad with bad bad of nuance

1082
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:10,560
Speaker 1: one of the starns out The Internet sucks at Nuance.

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01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:15,360
Speaker 1: The closest off we're going to talk about how Kanye

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01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:18,400
Speaker 1: really has kind of been played by by people like

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01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:21,480
Speaker 1: Candace Owens because a little over a week after his

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01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:24,640
Speaker 1: banishment from the two big mainstream social media platforms this

1087
01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:27,479
Speaker 1: past Monday, Kandie announced that he has entered a deal

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01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:31,840
Speaker 1: to buy the failed far right social media platform Parlor.

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01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:37,920
Speaker 1: Parlor CEO George Farmer said that his wife, conservative influencer

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01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:42,400
Speaker 1: Candace Owens approached Kanye about a Parlor deal while attending

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01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:45,480
Speaker 1: his Paris Fashion Week show where the boat where the

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01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:47,840
Speaker 1: pair of them wore the black wore the White Lives

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01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:51,800
Speaker 1: Matter shirts. So Candace Owens has been playing Kanye this

1094
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:55,480
Speaker 1: entire time and is and is convinced Kanye to buy

1095
01:04:55,560 --> 01:05:00,960
Speaker 1: her husband's failing business like she's just playing him, like

1096
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:05,600
Speaker 1: like Parlor has currently only daily active users. Even gab

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01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:10,080
Speaker 1: get Her and Trump's and Trump's Truth Social have way

1098
01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:15,080
Speaker 1: more daily users than Parlor, and Kennis Owens has convinced

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01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:20,680
Speaker 1: has convinced to buy this platform. I'm sorry, did you

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01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:23,880
Speaker 1: say her husband owns Parlor? Yes, her husband is the

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Speaker 1: CEO of Partner. Okay, And for an idea of how

1102
01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:30,600
Speaker 1: failed it is, the people I know who spend a

1103
01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:33,920
Speaker 1: lot of their time hanging out in far right spaces

1104
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:38,080
Speaker 1: don't even get on Parlor anymore. Like it's it's it's

1105
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:42,600
Speaker 1: it's not, it doesn't matter, it's yes, it's the CEO

1106
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:48,320
Speaker 1: is Kennys Owens husband. I am climped. I didn't. I mean,

1107
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:53,400
Speaker 1: it's an obvious grift. Right, yeah, I'm like, see, this

1108
01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:56,480
Speaker 1: is a bad one. She's a very smart she is,

1109
01:05:56,560 --> 01:06:00,680
Speaker 1: she's a successful grifter. She that is. I I can't

1110
01:06:00,680 --> 01:06:03,840
Speaker 1: believe it, Like she finally broke character. What I've been

1111
01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:07,760
Speaker 1: asking for these last to this, these these two hours,

1112
01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:11,680
Speaker 1: is give me a moment of clarity. You just gave

1113
01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:13,520
Speaker 1: it to me, right like, she, Oh, there it is.

1114
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:17,360
Speaker 1: This is what I've been waiting for. Got it. I

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01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:21,280
Speaker 1: have I've one more page before we before we close out.

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01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:24,440
Speaker 1: So okay, okay, alright. I feel I don't know how.

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01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:27,120
Speaker 1: I can't explain this, the sense of relief. I feel

1118
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:28,959
Speaker 1: like it's so weird to say that, but I feel

1119
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:31,080
Speaker 1: so relieved that I'm like, no, it's it's. It's it's

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01:06:31,080 --> 01:06:33,120
Speaker 1: it's extremely telling and it confirms a lot of the

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01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:35,360
Speaker 1: things that we've been thinking about what's been going on

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01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:37,720
Speaker 1: between her and Kanye for the past like five years.

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01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:41,360
Speaker 1: Um So, Kanye has been hit with a with a

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01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:43,680
Speaker 1: two d and fifty million dollar lawsuit by the family

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01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:47,040
Speaker 1: of George Floyd. The lawsuit was filed by Roxy Washington

1126
01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:51,920
Speaker 1: on behalf of her and George Floyd's a daughter, Gina.

1127
01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:55,320
Speaker 1: In In a statement, Washington's lawyers confirmed that she's doing

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01:06:55,360 --> 01:06:58,760
Speaker 1: Kanye West and his business partners for defamation, harassment, misappropriation,

1129
01:06:59,120 --> 01:07:02,280
Speaker 1: and infliction of ootional distress UM, and the legal team

1130
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:05,680
Speaker 1: is allegedly considering a number of other possible defendants in

1131
01:07:05,720 --> 01:07:11,600
Speaker 1: the case, including Candace Owen's. So it sucks that that's happening,

1132
01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:15,040
Speaker 1: but I like that, like that, that's just like retraumatizing

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01:07:15,160 --> 01:07:18,400
Speaker 1: to the entire family. Um that they're having to dredge

1134
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:20,800
Speaker 1: up all this stuff to sue fucking Kanye West and

1135
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:25,600
Speaker 1: Candace Owen's. That sucks, But I hope that they get

1136
01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:28,960
Speaker 1: all of their money. Like yeah, I like, I hope

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01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:31,480
Speaker 1: that they get to live forever on the money of

1138
01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:36,880
Speaker 1: Kanye West. Um, it's like, look, dude, like again, it's

1139
01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:39,959
Speaker 1: just that like that oh saying it's like, you ain't

1140
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:42,840
Speaker 1: gotta like me, but just you you don't. You also

1141
01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:45,200
Speaker 1: don't have to be in my way, you know. So

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01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:48,120
Speaker 1: even when I look at somebody like a Candice or whatever,

1143
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:53,280
Speaker 1: this like this sphere of of specifically persons of color

1144
01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:57,520
Speaker 1: in this right wing grivet, that I'm like, you don't, like,

1145
01:07:57,640 --> 01:07:59,320
Speaker 1: you don't have to help me, but you also don't

1146
01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:02,080
Speaker 1: have to hurt me, you know. And that's and that's

1147
01:08:02,120 --> 01:08:04,320
Speaker 1: the part to me again, I keep coming back to that.

1148
01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:06,560
Speaker 1: It's like you're going out of your way to hurt us,

1149
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:10,000
Speaker 1: Like that's that's I'm like, I don't get it, man,

1150
01:08:10,280 --> 01:08:13,440
Speaker 1: Like you don't. You don't have to do. There is

1151
01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:16,960
Speaker 1: so much money. Here's the thing. And this is gonna

1152
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:19,680
Speaker 1: sound terrible, but I mean it to be terrible. There

1153
01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:22,000
Speaker 1: is so much money to be made off white people.

1154
01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:26,479
Speaker 1: Like you can make so much money from them. We

1155
01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:29,400
Speaker 1: have a lot of it. We took it from everywhere else. Yes,

1156
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:34,160
Speaker 1: you can make so much from them without destroying it,

1157
01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:37,760
Speaker 1: without tearing us down, you know. Just it's like get

1158
01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:43,040
Speaker 1: your money. Okay, Yeah, I'm gonna I'm now gonna read

1159
01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:46,639
Speaker 1: like my thesis on this, because again I did, I did,

1160
01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:48,360
Speaker 1: I did not. I initially did not want to cover this.

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01:08:48,439 --> 01:08:50,920
Speaker 1: I thought we probably shouldn't. I thought that it's it's

1162
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:54,240
Speaker 1: kind of explitting the same media cycles that encourages this

1163
01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:56,880
Speaker 1: type of healthy behavior in the first place. But I

1164
01:08:58,200 --> 01:08:59,960
Speaker 1: have a thesis on this that I when I kind

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01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:01,760
Speaker 1: of go through and then get on them, we can

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01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:04,960
Speaker 1: and and and and this discussion. So in an online

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01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:08,800
Speaker 1: economy based on shock ad driven head discourse and data

1168
01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:13,600
Speaker 1: collecting online engagement. Kanye's outbursts are useful to be deployed

1169
01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:17,639
Speaker 1: as ready made ammunition for culture wars, even though what

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01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:21,360
Speaker 1: he said is so obviously beyond the pale quoting New Republic,

1171
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:26,360
Speaker 1: West's celebrity, still existent despite years of controversy and alienation,

1172
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:29,960
Speaker 1: is simply too valuable for the Right after decades of

1173
01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:33,479
Speaker 1: being denied the endorsement of of predominant celebrities, with the

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01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:37,160
Speaker 1: exception of like Clint Eastwood, um and and and someone

1175
01:09:37,160 --> 01:09:41,519
Speaker 1: like Donald Trump, and the Rights gritting their teeth through

1176
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:44,959
Speaker 1: how celebrities don't really matter to them. The Right cherishes

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01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:48,320
Speaker 1: the affection it receives from controversial crossover figures such as

1178
01:09:48,320 --> 01:09:51,040
Speaker 1: Elon Musk and Kanye West, and doesn't want to lose

1179
01:09:51,080 --> 01:09:55,160
Speaker 1: them to disrepute, or at least wants to continue using

1180
01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:58,120
Speaker 1: them in spite of it. West's willingness to lend his

1181
01:09:58,160 --> 01:10:00,600
Speaker 1: imper mater to the pet cause is of people like

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01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:05,520
Speaker 1: Carlson and kind of Swan's makes him invaluable and un jettisonable.

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01:10:06,439 --> 01:10:09,000
Speaker 1: To pick up a quote from the from uh The

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01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:12,920
Speaker 1: Washington Post. Polling has repeatedly shown that white Republicans view

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01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:17,759
Speaker 1: themselves as targets of discrimination equivalent to non majority groups.

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01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:21,880
Speaker 1: Carlson and Trump, sharing in that sense, highlight anecdotes that

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01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:24,960
Speaker 1: reinforce that sense, and push back against the group that's

1188
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:27,920
Speaker 1: most forcefully calling for the playing field to be leveled,

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01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:32,559
Speaker 1: the Left, the new elite. So Carlson sees Kanye wearing

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01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:36,600
Speaker 1: a shirt that explicitly casts whites as victims and understands

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01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:40,040
Speaker 1: the opportunity. Here's a member of the inner circle of

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01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:42,720
Speaker 1: the elite, a black man who's willing to elevate the

1193
01:10:42,760 --> 01:10:46,719
Speaker 1: idea that white lives are disadvantaged in an equivalent way

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01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:50,720
Speaker 1: to black lives. To validate the victimization and discomfort, Let's

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01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:55,439
Speaker 1: set up an interview unquote. So for Carlson's purposes, West

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01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:58,400
Speaker 1: did not have to be holly coherent. He can easily

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01:10:58,520 --> 01:11:00,759
Speaker 1: edit out the parts where he's ranked about the Jews,

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01:11:01,160 --> 01:11:04,920
Speaker 1: visions of kinetic energy cities, and fake children. Carlson was

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01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:07,320
Speaker 1: able to present to his viewers a famous black man

1200
01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:10,479
Speaker 1: who is being punished for holding views abhorred by the

1201
01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:15,479
Speaker 1: gate keeping cultural elites. In the podcast, West combined his

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01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:20,240
Speaker 1: anti semitism and anti black infantilization into slander that Jewish

1203
01:11:20,240 --> 01:11:24,120
Speaker 1: people have owned the black voice. But it's Kanye whose

1204
01:11:24,240 --> 01:11:27,320
Speaker 1: voice and platform is being used by far right grifters

1205
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:32,679
Speaker 1: for profit by stoking white populist racism against both Jews

1206
01:11:32,760 --> 01:11:36,120
Speaker 1: and black people, and now to buy their failed social

1207
01:11:36,120 --> 01:11:39,360
Speaker 1: media apps. The conservative Christian right that has grown to

1208
01:11:39,439 --> 01:11:41,560
Speaker 1: use Kanye as a token won't be so quick to

1209
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:45,880
Speaker 1: disown him for overtly conspiratorial or biggest statements. One of

1210
01:11:45,880 --> 01:11:48,040
Speaker 1: the lessons that the right has learned from Donald Trump

1211
01:11:48,120 --> 01:11:51,480
Speaker 1: is that there's no advantages to be gained from criticizing

1212
01:11:51,479 --> 01:11:54,000
Speaker 1: one zone as long as they're remaining loyal to the

1213
01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:57,360
Speaker 1: fundamental causes of the movement, especially when it comes to

1214
01:11:57,400 --> 01:12:01,559
Speaker 1: exploiting white grievance. West is then permitted to be as

1215
01:12:01,600 --> 01:12:04,080
Speaker 1: blatantly anti Semitic as he wants without fear of sanction.

1216
01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:06,640
Speaker 1: He is clearly bigoted and clearly suffering, but the right

1217
01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:09,840
Speaker 1: clearly considers him to be the most useful idiot, or

1218
01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:13,360
Speaker 1: perhaps one of the brave few people who's willing to

1219
01:12:13,400 --> 01:12:15,920
Speaker 1: say the things that others may think but don't yet

1220
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:18,600
Speaker 1: dare utter. Some have argued that there's no point in

1221
01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:23,160
Speaker 1: searching for meaning in Kanye's almost decades long descent, that

1222
01:12:23,200 --> 01:12:26,200
Speaker 1: there's no deeper insight here, just the truth that that

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01:12:26,240 --> 01:12:30,160
Speaker 1: anti Semitism is noxious and we're a tragically long way

1224
01:12:30,160 --> 01:12:32,920
Speaker 1: from defeating it. But I think that misses the relatively

1225
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:36,200
Speaker 1: clear trajectory that Kanye has been on since ultra life,

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01:12:36,200 --> 01:12:40,280
Speaker 1: being to this now Christian identity but black shit, and

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01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:43,799
Speaker 1: the very real danger and influence that a relatively small

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01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:48,160
Speaker 1: and unknown weirdos like Candice Owens can have on like

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01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:53,120
Speaker 1: countrywide politics. And finally, to paraphrase from the Columbia Journalism Review,

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01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:57,639
Speaker 1: Kanye West's statements are not of no consequence, but anyone

1231
01:12:57,720 --> 01:13:01,240
Speaker 1: who spends time thinking about them and talking about them

1232
01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:05,280
Speaker 1: needs to not be complicit in exacerbating those consequences, whether

1233
01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:08,760
Speaker 1: that be platforming bigotry or stigmatizing mental health issues. If

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01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:11,639
Speaker 1: the median and the press must cover Kanye, they should

1235
01:13:11,680 --> 01:13:16,240
Speaker 1: do so with context and with an eye towards accuracy, reality, history,

1236
01:13:16,280 --> 01:13:20,439
Speaker 1: and motivation. At minimum, coverage should isolate what's important to

1237
01:13:20,520 --> 01:13:23,720
Speaker 1: Kanye's and the story and describe it clearly for what

1238
01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:27,080
Speaker 1: it is, rather than mining him for controversy and then

1239
01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:32,200
Speaker 1: performing ignorance or agnosticism about the substance of what he's saying,

1240
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:35,840
Speaker 1: sadly too much. Top Line coverage of Kanye's recent outbursts

1241
01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:38,439
Speaker 1: did the latter, with several mainstream outlets referring to the

1242
01:13:38,439 --> 01:13:42,559
Speaker 1: tweets and headlines as alleged anti Semitic posts, or wrote

1243
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:45,080
Speaker 1: that the posts have been widely deemed to be anti

1244
01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:49,000
Speaker 1: Semitic language that clearly reveals more about the authors than

1245
01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:52,120
Speaker 1: its subject. So that that's kind of my thesis on

1246
01:13:52,200 --> 01:13:55,200
Speaker 1: why this is worth talking about and all of the

1247
01:13:55,800 --> 01:13:59,759
Speaker 1: moving aspects about what's going on here between Canadas, Owens, Tuck, Tucker, Carlson,

1248
01:14:00,240 --> 01:14:06,680
Speaker 1: and Kandye West. So, yeah, good work, let's all go

1249
01:14:07,439 --> 01:14:11,360
Speaker 1: be sad. Yeah, there's not really a solution here except

1250
01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:18,599
Speaker 1: besides celebrity. Like, I mean, you know, all of this

1251
01:14:19,160 --> 01:14:21,920
Speaker 1: has at its root the same problems, which is that

1252
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:27,080
Speaker 1: when you allow money to equivalentate like social and political

1253
01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:30,439
Speaker 1: power or equal social and political power, and when you

1254
01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:35,160
Speaker 1: then hand certain individuals huge amounts of money, um, a

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01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:38,240
Speaker 1: lot of them will either be outright evil or out

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Speaker 1: of their minds, or a combination of the two, and

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Speaker 1: they can cause tremendous damage to society as a result

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Speaker 1: of it. Um. So it's good, Yeah, I think that

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Speaker 1: there's two. You know, from from my perspective, there's the

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Speaker 1: the metaphorical question of like, okay, is he disinvited to

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Speaker 1: the barbecue? Like, which is a you know, get a

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01:15:00,240 --> 01:15:02,400
Speaker 1: metaphorical question, don't if you guys know what I mean

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01:15:02,439 --> 01:15:03,760
Speaker 1: when we say that, It was like can he come

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01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:06,160
Speaker 1: to the bar few? Yeah? So like yeah, you know

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01:15:06,160 --> 01:15:07,800
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like, so the question we need to

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Speaker 1: ask as a community, as the culture, like he so

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Speaker 1: lovingly decides to mock um, but is that okay? So,

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01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:19,640
Speaker 1: as a community, what does it take for us to

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01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:24,160
Speaker 1: finally disavow somebody's statements and just be like, all right, brother,

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01:15:24,160 --> 01:15:26,439
Speaker 1: you're gone, you know, because right now it's up for debate.

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Speaker 1: You know, there are people that like, you know, we

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01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:31,720
Speaker 1: checked out long time ago. You know, there are other

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01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:34,280
Speaker 1: people that are like still like, you know, we love

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01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:36,599
Speaker 1: the old Kanye and that genius is still in there. Yeah,

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01:15:36,640 --> 01:15:38,880
Speaker 1: but this album slaps Okay, I know he problematic. I

1276
01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:40,880
Speaker 1: know he put the red hat on, but you know,

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01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:43,479
Speaker 1: the Sunday services were so dope, you know what I'm saying, Like,

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01:15:43,479 --> 01:15:47,320
Speaker 1: so you have that discussion continually happening. But I think

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Speaker 1: that that's something asked for for our community. We need

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01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:52,880
Speaker 1: to learn how to We need to really discuss, you know,

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01:15:53,160 --> 01:15:55,280
Speaker 1: what does it take for us to like finally let

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Speaker 1: somebody go. Like again, I I keep going back to

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Speaker 1: our Kelly because I'm like, dog, we knew, we knew

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01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:04,599
Speaker 1: since Aliah that like this brother had problems, you know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think if if there's a way to

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Speaker 1: not alienate him fully so that his only friend is

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Speaker 1: Candace Owens, that would be great exactly. That's that's why

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Speaker 1: it's up for debate. It's like you, I don't know

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01:16:15,960 --> 01:16:18,160
Speaker 1: how that process works. That's what I'm trying to say.

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01:16:18,200 --> 01:16:19,839
Speaker 1: That's part of the part. That's part of the problem.

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01:16:19,840 --> 01:16:23,519
Speaker 1: It's like, but you know why we why it hasn't

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01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:25,360
Speaker 1: had why it doesn't happen so fast? Like I said, like,

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01:16:25,640 --> 01:16:29,240
Speaker 1: our defense is normally, our collective identity is the community.

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01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:31,599
Speaker 1: That's how we defend each other and protect each other

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01:16:31,880 --> 01:16:34,040
Speaker 1: from falling off the edge, either from the police or

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01:16:34,120 --> 01:16:37,120
Speaker 1: from yourself. It's like you bring them in and just

1297
01:16:37,160 --> 01:16:38,840
Speaker 1: be like, oh, baby, we need to have a talk,

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01:16:39,240 --> 01:16:43,760
Speaker 1: you know. Um, But at some point you're like all right,

1299
01:16:43,880 --> 01:16:46,200
Speaker 1: family done, you know. And that's what happened with R. Kelly.

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01:16:46,240 --> 01:16:49,960
Speaker 1: It was like, all right, dog, we tried you know, uh,

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Speaker 1: we we tried you we can't do this no more,

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01:16:52,640 --> 01:16:54,840
Speaker 1: you know. Um. I think there's that, and I think

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01:16:54,840 --> 01:17:03,320
Speaker 1: there's also another question obviously, the the American evangelical, which

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01:17:04,200 --> 01:17:08,240
Speaker 1: you know, statistically speaking, still only represents nine to eleven

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01:17:08,280 --> 01:17:12,680
Speaker 1: percent of christian as a whole across the world. So

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01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:16,240
Speaker 1: you really like it's a this is a specific to

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01:17:16,600 --> 01:17:20,320
Speaker 1: us in America problem, And I just wonder that's another

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01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:23,880
Speaker 1: question to me, Like y'all like they always looking for

1309
01:17:23,960 --> 01:17:28,000
Speaker 1: whether it was Tim Tebow or you, always looking for champions,

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01:17:28,439 --> 01:17:31,360
Speaker 1: you know, and and this keeps happening to you, keeps

1311
01:17:31,400 --> 01:17:33,600
Speaker 1: happening to you, and y'all end up looking like assholes,

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01:17:34,040 --> 01:17:38,000
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, and just not like the

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Speaker 1: faith you say you profess, Like when are y'all gonna

1314
01:17:40,680 --> 01:17:43,120
Speaker 1: stop looking for champions, Like when you're gonna stop looking

1315
01:17:43,160 --> 01:17:46,400
Speaker 1: for your and just be like, let's just do the

1316
01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:49,519
Speaker 1: ship our book says, you know, like for better or

1317
01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:53,080
Speaker 1: for worse? Like you know, I just think that these

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Speaker 1: are again, these are interesting cultural questions. See, you don't

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Speaker 1: need no celebrity, Like why y'all always think you need

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01:17:58,160 --> 01:18:00,519
Speaker 1: a celebrity because you just because again you're just trying

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01:18:00,560 --> 01:18:03,320
Speaker 1: to be cool while at the same time saying that

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Speaker 1: you stand against the culture. It's like, well, well, funk,

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01:18:05,960 --> 01:18:08,559
Speaker 1: will you stand against the culture? Why are you always

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Speaker 1: trying to have somebody from the culture to be a hero,

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Speaker 1: you know, like well ship, Like, I don't know, I'm

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Speaker 1: just saying like I think I do think that Again,

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Speaker 1: I don't have no answers either, but I think that

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Speaker 1: these are like questions that everybody that this fool affected

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01:18:23,960 --> 01:18:26,160
Speaker 1: y'all really need to ask yourself, Like you need to

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01:18:26,200 --> 01:18:29,040
Speaker 1: ask yourself, you know, like you said, like the mental

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01:18:29,080 --> 01:18:32,360
Speaker 1: health stuff, the problem of celebrity, which is a bigger problem.

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Speaker 1: But to me, these are he he he made. He's

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01:18:36,120 --> 01:18:41,120
Speaker 1: making us inadvertently ask ourselves these big systemic questions that

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Speaker 1: we still are afraid to reckon with. I feel like

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Speaker 1: I think that's a good note to end. Well, everybody

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01:18:52,760 --> 01:18:54,639
Speaker 1: that's gonna do it for all of us here man,

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01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:59,479
Speaker 1: thanks for having the several podcasts that this is uh.

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01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:02,560
Speaker 1: You can sten to hood politics by typing hood politics

1339
01:19:02,600 --> 01:19:04,559
Speaker 1: into whatever it is you used to look for things,

1340
01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:06,720
Speaker 1: and you can listen to it could happen here by

1341
01:19:06,760 --> 01:19:09,639
Speaker 1: typing it could happen here into whatever thing you type

1342
01:19:09,640 --> 01:19:40,200
Speaker 1: stuff into, go type stuff. Now bye, Oh God is dead.

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Speaker 1: I'm Robert Evans. Welcome to the podcast where the first

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01:19:45,160 --> 01:19:47,880
Speaker 1: episode of Spooky Week past try to figure out who

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01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:51,680
Speaker 1: murdered God and come to the conclusion that it was

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01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:56,040
Speaker 1: almost certainly will weep, I'm pointing my finger at someone else. Actually, Robert,

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01:19:56,040 --> 01:20:01,519
Speaker 1: I'm fingering Bigfoot. And wow. Okay, now now, Daniel, Daniel,

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01:20:01,560 --> 01:20:04,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna need you to just cut that audio online

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Speaker 1: out of the episode so that everyone on the team

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01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:09,840
Speaker 1: can play it as a drop whenever we need to.

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Speaker 1: James admitting to fingering Bigfoot. Um, all right, that's gonna

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Speaker 1: be an episode everybody of a good week. God bless you.

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Speaker 1: This is it could happen here. This is Spooky Week, right,

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Speaker 1: we're recording our first spooky crazed be to God. Um,

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Speaker 1: all right, what do we what do we have for

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01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:33,840
Speaker 1: the ladies and not not the gentleman. This one's just

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01:20:33,880 --> 01:20:37,719
Speaker 1: for the ladies. I'm gonna say that right now, says

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Speaker 1: hers and slurs. It's it's what we what we got today.

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Speaker 1: What we got today, Robert Garrison, is some stories about

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Speaker 1: cryptids and So I want to start in the autumn

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Speaker 1: Garrison was not alive and Robert and now we're much younger,

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Speaker 1: and I want to start in northern California where one

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01:20:59,280 --> 01:21:02,679
Speaker 1: night through Emen set out to execute a pretty routine

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Speaker 1: We trade right and had drops the kindyself, get some money,

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Speaker 1: come home. And it's not exactly a secret that at

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Speaker 1: that time and in that place there was a lot

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Speaker 1: of illegal girl operations and it's not exactly a secret. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: have you heard about this? Yeah? Yeah, I mean like

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Speaker 1: it's number one once you hit about anywhere in like

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Speaker 1: the coastal northern caliph Fornia, from like Santa Cruz on up. Uh,

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Speaker 1: bigfoot is like a topic not even not even really

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Speaker 1: of discussion. But there's just big foot ship all over

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01:21:34,960 --> 01:21:38,920
Speaker 1: the goddamn place. Um, from Arcada to like Grants Pass

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01:21:39,080 --> 01:21:41,800
Speaker 1: is probably the biggest density of bigfoot ship. But it's

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Speaker 1: all throughout or again all throughout Washington. You get a

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Speaker 1: decent amount in Idaho, I think too. Um, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: people make a lot of money of big foot. It's

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01:21:51,720 --> 01:21:54,559
Speaker 1: even a Bigfoot highway up there. But yeah, I was

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Speaker 1: listening to a dogship podcast recently. It's not very good.

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01:21:58,400 --> 01:22:01,839
Speaker 1: It's called wild thing. It's buy some former NPR reporter

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01:22:03,160 --> 01:22:06,840
Speaker 1: the Squatches podcast. Right, Yeah, she's doing like a Bigfoot thing.

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01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:10,200
Speaker 1: It's just not very good. Like there's bits in there

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01:22:10,240 --> 01:22:13,760
Speaker 1: where she'll like quote one guy who's like, there's a lot.

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01:22:13,800 --> 01:22:16,080
Speaker 1: There's so much evidence for bigfoot. If you type big

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01:22:16,120 --> 01:22:19,560
Speaker 1: foot into Google, there's like a eleven million results, and

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Speaker 1: an actual scientist will be like, there's no evidence for bigfoot,

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01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:25,519
Speaker 1: and she just as like, what are we to think?

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01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:31,800
Speaker 1: Both sides? Both sides? Yeah, yeah, I did not find

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Speaker 1: it very edifying. I was listening to it while I

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Speaker 1: was alone on the mountain this weekend. There are two

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Speaker 1: sides to bigfoot story, rob it. It doesn't matter if

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Speaker 1: one of them is wrong. No, um, it's very fun.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, because I also the parts of the West

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Speaker 1: Coast that are Bigfoot country are also the parts of

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Speaker 1: the West Coast that grow like more pot than anywhere

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Speaker 1: else on planet Earth. Yeah. Yeah, which is interesting, isn't it?

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Speaker 1: Because these two things may or may not. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: think they do. Please continue, Yes, so huluated, I will

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Speaker 1: use to loosely use the word documentary here. Yeah, loose

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Speaker 1: is is good for this, So I again to use

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Speaker 1: a few words loosely here. So according to David Holt,

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Speaker 1: house journalist, which is again a word I'm using maybe loosely,

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01:23:22,040 --> 01:23:25,200
Speaker 1: But he does a pretty good job and he's fine

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Speaker 1: hold house. So the interesting thing about him and what

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Speaker 1: I do kind of like about him, is he's like

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Speaker 1: he worked as a trimmer. Like so the pot industry,

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Speaker 1: there's the people who move the marijuana around the country,

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Speaker 1: including smuggle it into places where it's still fully illegal.

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01:23:43,360 --> 01:23:47,920
Speaker 1: There's the people who sell it, either illegally or at dispensaries. Um,

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Speaker 1: there's the people who grow it. And then the largest

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Speaker 1: by number chunk of the weed trade, or the trimmers.

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Speaker 1: And those are the people every season, usually in the fall,

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Speaker 1: come down for three or four months northern California's southern

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Speaker 1: Oregon mostly and they take raw marijuana that's been like

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Speaker 1: bucked and cut off of the plant and they trim

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Speaker 1: it into the kind of buds that you buy. Um.

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Speaker 1: And this guy was doing that back in the nineties,

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Speaker 1: and he ran into these stories about a big foot

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Speaker 1: murdering two or three Mexican guys. Yeah, that's exactly it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so I think he actually has a really good job

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Speaker 1: in this documentary. Yeah, I I actually didn't think it

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Speaker 1: was was bad. No, No, I was ready for it

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Speaker 1: to be bad, but I was quite impressed with So

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Speaker 1: what happened is, Yeah, like Robert says said, there are

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Speaker 1: these probably migrant probably undocumented workers right who come well

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Speaker 1: a lot of them, there's a good chunk of them, probably,

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Speaker 1: I don't know by my estimates. Maybe are like mostly

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Speaker 1: white kids from various parts of the country. A lot

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Speaker 1: of them are folks who are either kind of seasonally unhoused.

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Speaker 1: Many of them like live in camp basically in places

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Speaker 1: like Arcada a big chunk of the year, and then

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Speaker 1: we'll live on farms while they trim Um. There are

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Speaker 1: a decent chunk who are undocumented. A lot our mong um,

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Speaker 1: Like a lot of are like first, like particularly older

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Speaker 1: among people who like came here after Vietnam and started

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Speaker 1: businesses and then like their kids and grandkids got into

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Speaker 1: the pot trade. And we're like, well, my you know,

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Speaker 1: grandma and my aunts retired and they like they living

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Speaker 1: in the woods and are good at tremming, Like we

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01:25:20,280 --> 01:25:22,759
Speaker 1: can make a bunch of extra money this way. Um,

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Speaker 1: it's all sorts up there. Yeah, it's kind of fascinating.

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Speaker 1: So these three guys set out to do this deal,

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Speaker 1: right that they're three of the people who fall into

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Speaker 1: the undocumented labor category, and they never come back, and

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Speaker 1: whole house is sitting in one of these farmhouses or

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Speaker 1: in a trailer or something, when when a couple of

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Speaker 1: guys come in and say, hey, those those dudes never

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Speaker 1: came back and they've been killed. Right, they seem to

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Speaker 1: have been sort of pretty brutally murdered, but the we

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Speaker 1: that they were carrying was still there, so it wasn't

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Speaker 1: like somebody shook them down and stole the weed. Right.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, you, by the way, if it was a

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Speaker 1: weed industry thing, you probably wouldn't because everyone's got a

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Speaker 1: lot of fucking weed. I Mean, people do steal weed,

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Speaker 1: but if you're out there doing a murder, it's probably

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01:26:08,520 --> 01:26:10,680
Speaker 1: because somebody's fucking with your business in a bigger way

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Speaker 1: than whatever they happen to have on the fucking farm. Like,

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if a pot murder would not

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Speaker 1: result in whatever ship they had in their trailer actually

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Speaker 1: getting jacked. Okay, right then, Yeah, because the weeds I

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Speaker 1: think that everyone has so at the time, their deaths

1462
01:26:26,120 --> 01:26:30,639
Speaker 1: are largely, if not entirely factually attributed to Bigfoot. Right,

1463
01:26:30,960 --> 01:26:34,160
Speaker 1: it's put out there that these people were murdered by Bigfoot. Now,

1464
01:26:35,120 --> 01:26:37,439
Speaker 1: they are not the only people whose deaths have been

1465
01:26:37,479 --> 01:26:41,799
Speaker 1: blamed on Bigfoot. Earlier this year, July two, Seminole County

1466
01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:46,600
Speaker 1: Sheriff's Office reported the murder of Mr. Jimmy Knighton, and

1467
01:26:46,680 --> 01:26:49,519
Speaker 1: the press release they said Larry Sanders has reported killing

1468
01:26:49,600 --> 01:26:52,880
Speaker 1: Mr Jimmy Knighton by the South Canadian River. Sanders and

1469
01:26:52,960 --> 01:26:57,840
Speaker 1: Knighton had been noodling in the river on July. Okay, now, yeah,

1470
01:26:58,280 --> 01:27:00,920
Speaker 1: so given to me, Robert, you're you're from this part

1471
01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:05,160
Speaker 1: of the World's when you stroke a catfish you don't stroke? Well, yes,

1472
01:27:05,240 --> 01:27:07,720
Speaker 1: basically it's when you use kind of your fingers as

1473
01:27:07,760 --> 01:27:12,040
Speaker 1: bait and you catch a catfish by the mouth. Right, Yes,

1474
01:27:12,200 --> 01:27:15,680
Speaker 1: we call it noodling. What a country, Yes, I mean,

1475
01:27:15,800 --> 01:27:19,760
Speaker 1: James C. Robert to the kids these days, catch a

1476
01:27:19,920 --> 01:27:21,880
Speaker 1: catch a catch a catfish by the north being something

1477
01:27:21,960 --> 01:27:26,520
Speaker 1: very different. So does noodling, Yeah, or as the Mormons

1478
01:27:26,600 --> 01:27:33,040
Speaker 1: call it, soaking. Sure, there's a great story. This is

1479
01:27:33,320 --> 01:27:37,240
Speaker 1: off topic, but there was just an outbreak in South

1480
01:27:37,360 --> 01:27:41,960
Speaker 1: Lake City of armpit crabs because so many Mormon kids

1481
01:27:41,960 --> 01:27:48,400
Speaker 1: are having having armpit sex, and it's it's so funny. Really,

1482
01:27:48,640 --> 01:27:53,519
Speaker 1: it's not just wow, we're still doing this. We're still

1483
01:27:53,560 --> 01:27:55,400
Speaker 1: doing this, gere, We're gonna be doing this the rest

1484
01:27:55,400 --> 01:27:59,440
Speaker 1: of your natural life. Yeah, never getting past this ship.

1485
01:28:00,840 --> 01:28:04,679
Speaker 1: This is what the future halls feed decades of arm fucking.

1486
01:28:05,560 --> 01:28:08,479
Speaker 1: So Sanders, the knighting with they were old school noodling.

1487
01:28:08,560 --> 01:28:11,160
Speaker 1: They were They weren't online, of course. Yeah, that's that's

1488
01:28:11,160 --> 01:28:13,320
Speaker 1: the best kind of noodling in my opinion, That's what

1489
01:28:13,400 --> 01:28:15,800
Speaker 1: I've heard. So they're at they're at the river. At

1490
01:28:15,840 --> 01:28:21,720
Speaker 1: some point, Mr Sanders becomes convinced that Knighton has summoned

1491
01:28:21,840 --> 01:28:25,040
Speaker 1: Bigfoot to kill him. Now, that's interesting. You don't hear

1492
01:28:25,040 --> 01:28:27,599
Speaker 1: that a lot. You don't because I didn't think Bigfoot

1493
01:28:27,640 --> 01:28:30,840
Speaker 1: was summonable. That wasn't on the table of things that

1494
01:28:30,920 --> 01:28:33,120
Speaker 1: I thought one could do to a Bigfoot. I mean,

1495
01:28:33,160 --> 01:28:36,840
Speaker 1: I've always thought Bigfoot was summonable, but not for murder.

1496
01:28:36,960 --> 01:28:41,240
Speaker 1: For sex, sure, Okay, yeah, that's why his armpits are

1497
01:28:41,240 --> 01:28:44,680
Speaker 1: so crabby. Well, that's what everyone says about Bigfoot, so

1498
01:28:44,760 --> 01:28:47,720
Speaker 1: you can identify him in a crowd. So at some

1499
01:28:47,840 --> 01:28:51,360
Speaker 1: point Sanders becomes convinced of Bigfoot is on his way

1500
01:28:51,600 --> 01:28:54,560
Speaker 1: and he's going to kill him, and so he unfortunately

1501
01:28:54,560 --> 01:28:59,479
Speaker 1: strangles his noodling partner to death. Well that's tragic. And

1502
01:28:59,560 --> 01:29:04,000
Speaker 1: then a link part were it's gonna leave it. We're

1503
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:08,719
Speaker 1: it's gonna leave it. We're just gonna move straight on. Yeah, yeah,

1504
01:29:08,840 --> 01:29:11,280
Speaker 1: So yeah, it does sound rather tragic, It does sound

1505
01:29:11,479 --> 01:29:16,400
Speaker 1: rather sad. But he seems to have reported pretty openly

1506
01:29:16,439 --> 01:29:19,080
Speaker 1: that he believed that Bigfoot was on its way and

1507
01:29:19,120 --> 01:29:21,840
Speaker 1: if he didn't stop this ritual, that Bigfoot will kill him,

1508
01:29:22,080 --> 01:29:24,720
Speaker 1: and a lot of as it turns out, things that

1509
01:29:24,840 --> 01:29:29,960
Speaker 1: people can't really explain. Often the times when people are

1510
01:29:29,960 --> 01:29:32,400
Speaker 1: in human to other humans tend to be explained as

1511
01:29:32,439 --> 01:29:36,240
Speaker 1: the actions of monsters. Right, And I want to quote

1512
01:29:36,320 --> 01:29:43,439
Speaker 1: from the documentarian, the director Joshua Rope, who made that film.

1513
01:29:44,120 --> 01:29:46,439
Speaker 1: He says, the thing that people should be afraid of

1514
01:29:46,560 --> 01:29:48,760
Speaker 1: is not the boogeyman in the woods. It's our next

1515
01:29:48,800 --> 01:29:51,720
Speaker 1: door neighbors who will usually commit acts of violence that

1516
01:29:51,800 --> 01:29:55,080
Speaker 1: will then terrify, you know, everybody on the block or

1517
01:29:55,080 --> 01:29:58,640
Speaker 1: in the neighborhood. Rope said that working in northern California

1518
01:29:58,720 --> 01:30:01,720
Speaker 1: was very scary. Did enter a sort of underworld, you know,

1519
01:30:01,800 --> 01:30:04,240
Speaker 1: for lack of a better term, and you know, we

1520
01:30:04,240 --> 01:30:06,920
Speaker 1: were really mindful to try and not overstay our welcome there.

1521
01:30:08,479 --> 01:30:10,760
Speaker 1: So I want to get into cryptids a little bit,

1522
01:30:11,560 --> 01:30:13,439
Speaker 1: and I want to get into some some of the

1523
01:30:13,520 --> 01:30:16,360
Speaker 1: more famous ones as well as a curse. I've got

1524
01:30:16,360 --> 01:30:20,000
Speaker 1: a curse here. Yeah. The curse is great because it's

1525
01:30:20,000 --> 01:30:23,280
Speaker 1: invented by the California Park Service. But I want to

1526
01:30:23,280 --> 01:30:26,320
Speaker 1: explain kind of the social functions that they sometimes serve

1527
01:30:26,400 --> 01:30:29,240
Speaker 1: as well as just having some fun talking about cryptids.

1528
01:30:29,520 --> 01:30:32,519
Speaker 1: So the one that I thought might serve as social function,

1529
01:30:32,520 --> 01:30:36,000
Speaker 1: and probably the most famous crypted aside from Bigfoot, is

1530
01:30:36,040 --> 01:30:41,000
Speaker 1: our friend the Chupacabra, right and yeah yeah. In English,

1531
01:30:41,120 --> 01:30:46,639
Speaker 1: that translate to goat soccer, which is okay, yeah, yeah,

1532
01:30:47,840 --> 01:30:51,200
Speaker 1: we're staying. We're staying on this bite. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1533
01:30:51,240 --> 01:30:57,439
Speaker 1: we're on themes a bit garrison. Its culture, yea, not

1534
01:30:57,479 --> 01:30:59,960
Speaker 1: a costume. I'll say this. I'm reading a great book

1535
01:31:00,120 --> 01:31:03,920
Speaker 1: right now about the god Soccer. No it's it's called

1536
01:31:03,920 --> 01:31:06,640
Speaker 1: The Last Emperor of Mexico, and it's about that Habsburg

1537
01:31:06,720 --> 01:31:09,519
Speaker 1: who tried to become the yeah yeah, and they hung

1538
01:31:09,520 --> 01:31:14,920
Speaker 1: his assid in like three weeks. It's very funny. Um yeah,

1539
01:31:15,000 --> 01:31:18,559
Speaker 1: good stuff. Huge respect to the people of Mexico. So

1540
01:31:18,600 --> 01:31:21,599
Speaker 1: actually know the chuber Caabra doesn't come from Mexico, comes

1541
01:31:21,640 --> 01:31:25,040
Speaker 1: from Puerto Rico. But I didn't know that. Actually, yes,

1542
01:31:25,200 --> 01:31:28,720
Speaker 1: we get a little bit about the tuber Carbra. The

1543
01:31:28,800 --> 01:31:30,559
Speaker 1: perhaps the best source for this, as far as I

1544
01:31:30,560 --> 01:31:34,240
Speaker 1: can find, is this guy Benjamin Redford, who has written

1545
01:31:34,240 --> 01:31:38,040
Speaker 1: a book about the Tupercabra, and he shows that nearly

1546
01:31:38,120 --> 01:31:43,320
Speaker 1: all of the eyewitness accounts can be traced back to

1547
01:31:43,680 --> 01:31:47,720
Speaker 1: this one, the first account, which was this woman called

1548
01:31:47,720 --> 01:31:53,080
Speaker 1: Madeline Tolentino in the ninet nineties in uh in Puerto

1549
01:31:53,160 --> 01:31:55,760
Speaker 1: rican Right. So it's also much more recent than I thought. Like,

1550
01:31:55,880 --> 01:31:59,120
Speaker 1: the tuber Cabra is twenty seven years old, it is

1551
01:31:59,120 --> 01:32:02,280
Speaker 1: said's it's younger earn me, which is quite remarkable given

1552
01:32:02,320 --> 01:32:05,840
Speaker 1: how much cultural impact has had. Yeah, I thought I

1553
01:32:05,920 --> 01:32:08,160
Speaker 1: thought it was much older. Yeah, be too. I thought

1554
01:32:08,160 --> 01:32:10,840
Speaker 1: it was just like an old tiny border legend. And

1555
01:32:10,880 --> 01:32:14,799
Speaker 1: you're what forty nine, James, that's correct. Yeah, yeah, okay,

1556
01:32:15,080 --> 01:32:17,599
Speaker 1: just making no, Yeah, I'm just I'm just kicking here

1557
01:32:17,600 --> 01:32:19,120
Speaker 1: for a couple more years before I can claim that

1558
01:32:19,320 --> 01:32:23,439
Speaker 1: sweet I Heeart Mediation, get that I a ARP, go

1559
01:32:23,520 --> 01:32:25,760
Speaker 1: to the be able to go to the fucking the

1560
01:32:25,800 --> 01:32:28,559
Speaker 1: sizzler and get five percent off. That's it, man. I've

1561
01:32:28,600 --> 01:32:30,479
Speaker 1: got to be issued in my nineteen eleven, which you

1562
01:32:30,479 --> 01:32:32,880
Speaker 1: get when you're sixty years old. You get a you

1563
01:32:32,880 --> 01:32:35,719
Speaker 1: get a nineteen eleven and you get a Loui's Gift card,

1564
01:32:36,439 --> 01:32:38,479
Speaker 1: and you get to evoke the Second World War whenever

1565
01:32:38,520 --> 01:32:40,439
Speaker 1: anyone is rude to you, even if you weren't in it,

1566
01:32:40,800 --> 01:32:43,000
Speaker 1: and you're you're allowed to drive your car into a

1567
01:32:43,040 --> 01:32:46,720
Speaker 1: farmer's market in the state of California up to twice.

1568
01:32:46,840 --> 01:32:48,519
Speaker 1: You have to try. After that, you have to move

1569
01:32:48,560 --> 01:32:52,400
Speaker 1: to Oregon. M M. That's right. So yeah, I'm until

1570
01:32:52,439 --> 01:32:54,160
Speaker 1: my retirement. They I want to talk a little bit

1571
01:32:54,160 --> 01:32:58,120
Speaker 1: about this, this super coupla. So uh. They're fascinating because

1572
01:32:59,120 --> 01:33:02,719
Speaker 1: like with big Foot, right there are, as you have mentioned,

1573
01:33:02,800 --> 01:33:06,840
Speaker 1: eleven million Google results, but no actual bigfoots right now,

1574
01:33:06,920 --> 01:33:08,559
Speaker 1: no one's ever found a big foot. No one can

1575
01:33:08,600 --> 01:33:12,600
Speaker 1: present two biggs feet a big big feet? Is that? Yeah?

1576
01:33:13,040 --> 01:33:14,960
Speaker 1: It takes an eye, right, so it's it's from the

1577
01:33:14,960 --> 01:33:20,559
Speaker 1: Italian big feet. That's ready, that's right? Yeah, Okay, so

1578
01:33:21,040 --> 01:33:24,280
Speaker 1: there are a big feete, but there are tuper carbters um.

1579
01:33:25,439 --> 01:33:29,720
Speaker 1: And the reason there are tuper covers is that what

1580
01:33:29,880 --> 01:33:32,720
Speaker 1: people are tuber carter right, the name goat sucker. And

1581
01:33:32,800 --> 01:33:36,360
Speaker 1: this this will shock you, Garrison, especially that the way

1582
01:33:36,360 --> 01:33:38,280
Speaker 1: that they are sucking goats is perhaps not the way

1583
01:33:38,320 --> 01:33:42,519
Speaker 1: you would expect. Interesting. Yeah, they're very innovative in this regard.

1584
01:33:42,560 --> 01:33:45,080
Speaker 1: What is happening is people are finding their goats, their chickens,

1585
01:33:45,120 --> 01:33:48,759
Speaker 1: their live stock, with their throat ripped out. Yeah yeah, yeah, okay,

1586
01:33:48,800 --> 01:33:51,880
Speaker 1: so it is the way you most animals need throats, right,

1587
01:33:52,479 --> 01:33:55,480
Speaker 1: it's one of the parts that Yeah, they're not interchangeable,

1588
01:33:55,520 --> 01:33:57,200
Speaker 1: they're not. Yeah, they're really it's good to know. This

1589
01:33:57,320 --> 01:34:02,400
Speaker 1: is all really important information. Yeah, so throat free goats, cattle,

1590
01:34:02,640 --> 01:34:05,120
Speaker 1: cheap chickens tend not to survive very long. So a

1591
01:34:05,160 --> 01:34:06,400
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of times people come out in

1592
01:34:06,400 --> 01:34:12,719
Speaker 1: the morning find their animals throatless and dead. Yeah you could.

1593
01:34:12,760 --> 01:34:15,559
Speaker 1: You could call it a deep throating. That's where they

1594
01:34:15,560 --> 01:34:19,960
Speaker 1: get it right deep in the throat. So they these

1595
01:34:20,000 --> 01:34:24,000
Speaker 1: animals are dead, and the people claim that they're drained

1596
01:34:24,000 --> 01:34:26,800
Speaker 1: of blood, which isn't quite true. Of course, there's there's

1597
01:34:26,800 --> 01:34:32,400
Speaker 1: only there's only two possible explanations, one obviously being vampires um,

1598
01:34:32,520 --> 01:34:38,519
Speaker 1: the other being this being this cript creature. Only possible

1599
01:34:38,560 --> 01:34:42,559
Speaker 1: things that could be that Supercabra is a vampire. It's okay, okay, okay,

1600
01:34:42,640 --> 01:34:45,240
Speaker 1: so yeah, that's where the ven diagram overlaps. It's this

1601
01:34:45,360 --> 01:34:48,240
Speaker 1: kind of it's it's got goat like legs actually, but

1602
01:34:48,280 --> 01:34:51,280
Speaker 1: then it's bipedal, has kind of a human torso and

1603
01:34:51,360 --> 01:34:54,920
Speaker 1: a sort of lizard meats wolf face. It's okay, so

1604
01:34:54,960 --> 01:35:00,880
Speaker 1: we're we're virging in like Jersey devil vampire terror. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,

1605
01:35:00,920 --> 01:35:04,400
Speaker 1: but it prefers warmer climate. It doesn't like Jersey, and frankly,

1606
01:35:04,800 --> 01:35:08,439
Speaker 1: I mean me neither, yea who doesn't. Yeah, look, I

1607
01:35:08,479 --> 01:35:10,559
Speaker 1: don't go east to New Mexico, and I don't think

1608
01:35:10,560 --> 01:35:13,360
Speaker 1: anyone else should either. No, it doesn't. It doesn't care

1609
01:35:13,400 --> 01:35:15,559
Speaker 1: for Bruce Springsteen, and it doesn't want to live in

1610
01:35:15,560 --> 01:35:19,040
Speaker 1: New Jersey, so it stays out west. But it's been

1611
01:35:19,080 --> 01:35:23,400
Speaker 1: reported all over the world. Actually. Now, the a couple

1612
01:35:23,400 --> 01:35:25,400
Speaker 1: of interesting things about these supercabra is. One is that

1613
01:35:25,439 --> 01:35:28,519
Speaker 1: people have found them, especially in Texas. Right, are you

1614
01:35:28,560 --> 01:35:34,400
Speaker 1: familiar Robert with Texas blue dogs? No, okay, I go

1615
01:35:34,520 --> 01:35:37,760
Speaker 1: tell Robert something about Texas. So this lady, I don't

1616
01:35:37,800 --> 01:35:39,960
Speaker 1: have her name right down here, she was a Texas nutritionist.

1617
01:35:40,000 --> 01:35:41,800
Speaker 1: And but we do. By the way, I will say,

1618
01:35:41,880 --> 01:35:44,000
Speaker 1: when it cames to like cryptids people taught me about

1619
01:35:44,000 --> 01:35:47,559
Speaker 1: in Texas, it was the tuper cabra. Oh well, yeah,

1620
01:35:47,560 --> 01:35:51,519
Speaker 1: we mean we're basically Mexico like yeah, yeah, not Ted Cruz,

1621
01:35:51,560 --> 01:35:55,920
Speaker 1: who is the other famous Texas crypted Yeah, but I

1622
01:35:56,080 --> 01:35:58,559
Speaker 1: like Ted Cruz. This this tuper cabra had actually been

1623
01:35:58,560 --> 01:36:01,479
Speaker 1: to a farm and had been ripping out the throats

1624
01:36:01,520 --> 01:36:04,880
Speaker 1: of these animals, right, And this lady had a problem

1625
01:36:04,920 --> 01:36:07,120
Speaker 1: with with the animal's throats being ripped out. And then

1626
01:36:07,120 --> 01:36:09,200
Speaker 1: one day she finds the corps in which she presumes

1627
01:36:09,240 --> 01:36:13,240
Speaker 1: to be a chupercabra. It is hairless, it looks kind

1628
01:36:13,240 --> 01:36:16,479
Speaker 1: of like a dog that has pronounced glands on its bumps,

1629
01:36:16,520 --> 01:36:20,400
Speaker 1: on its back, I guess, and it has thick blue skin.

1630
01:36:20,840 --> 01:36:23,160
Speaker 1: So what why would you do, Robert, if you, if

1631
01:36:23,200 --> 01:36:25,000
Speaker 1: you were living in Texas you come across a dead

1632
01:36:25,080 --> 01:36:29,080
Speaker 1: chuper cabra, I mean, fry it up a little bit,

1633
01:36:30,240 --> 01:36:32,960
Speaker 1: you know. I hadn't even even some green chili. Throw

1634
01:36:33,000 --> 01:36:36,200
Speaker 1: that ship on there and just kind of haven't even

1635
01:36:36,960 --> 01:36:38,920
Speaker 1: make sense that one didn't even hit me. But yeah,

1636
01:36:39,000 --> 01:36:41,400
Speaker 1: having yeah, I know, there was a couple of taco

1637
01:36:41,439 --> 01:36:43,600
Speaker 1: spots we went to in Texas, which that might have

1638
01:36:43,640 --> 01:36:45,599
Speaker 1: been what was going on. Yeah, you just get whatever

1639
01:36:45,680 --> 01:36:48,040
Speaker 1: kind of me done man or meets meat. Yep. So

1640
01:36:48,360 --> 01:36:50,160
Speaker 1: that's not what this lady did. She was a nutrition

1641
01:36:50,200 --> 01:36:52,040
Speaker 1: its preaps, so she was a little little worried about

1642
01:36:52,040 --> 01:36:55,320
Speaker 1: the nutritional content. She had it stuffed and it's in

1643
01:36:55,360 --> 01:36:59,640
Speaker 1: her living room today. Okay, okay, it's just like a

1644
01:37:00,000 --> 01:37:02,559
Speaker 1: boy like what like, what what is it? Well, that's

1645
01:37:02,560 --> 01:37:05,679
Speaker 1: an interesting question, isn't it? Gary's It is an interesting question? Yes,

1646
01:37:06,040 --> 01:37:08,240
Speaker 1: what the what the blue dog seems to be? It

1647
01:37:08,280 --> 01:37:10,640
Speaker 1: is some kind of hybrid of a Mexican wolf and

1648
01:37:10,680 --> 01:37:15,639
Speaker 1: a coyote that has some kind of mange, which has

1649
01:37:15,920 --> 01:37:18,680
Speaker 1: made all its fair fall off. Nearly all of the

1650
01:37:18,720 --> 01:37:22,280
Speaker 1: Chooper cabras are are some sort of canine with mange,

1651
01:37:22,439 --> 01:37:25,599
Speaker 1: because mange makes it look like a fucking monster. Yeah,

1652
01:37:26,080 --> 01:37:29,679
Speaker 1: so what like if you saw a giant sphinx cat,

1653
01:37:29,760 --> 01:37:33,920
Speaker 1: you would also think that's a cripta Yes, yeah, and

1654
01:37:34,040 --> 01:37:36,360
Speaker 1: especially if they've been ripping the throats. Are you animals, right,

1655
01:37:36,360 --> 01:37:40,840
Speaker 1: because these poor coyotes and feral dogs and search is

1656
01:37:41,240 --> 01:37:44,439
Speaker 1: uh so weakened by the main so they can't prey

1657
01:37:44,479 --> 01:37:48,680
Speaker 1: on wild animals, and so they tend to come Okay, right,

1658
01:37:48,720 --> 01:37:50,400
Speaker 1: it's pretty easy to catch chickens if you can get

1659
01:37:50,439 --> 01:37:52,120
Speaker 1: into the coop, right, because they've got nowhere to go

1660
01:37:52,400 --> 01:37:57,200
Speaker 1: or to catch goats, and so unfortunately, what's happening is

1661
01:37:57,200 --> 01:38:00,960
Speaker 1: that these dogs, these various canids are getting Maine and

1662
01:38:01,360 --> 01:38:03,760
Speaker 1: they are unfortunately too weak to hunt, and so they're

1663
01:38:03,800 --> 01:38:06,160
Speaker 1: killing things like captive goats and chickens. And that is

1664
01:38:06,240 --> 01:38:10,680
Speaker 1: where the tupercabra miss comes from. Going back to the

1665
01:38:10,760 --> 01:38:14,519
Speaker 1: bipedal tupercabra though, it's very interesting. That sounds a little

1666
01:38:14,520 --> 01:38:17,240
Speaker 1: bit more fun. Yeah. So, in the year before the

1667
01:38:17,280 --> 01:38:20,439
Speaker 1: tuper Carbra was seen, there was a film made in

1668
01:38:20,479 --> 01:38:27,439
Speaker 1: Puerto Rico and it was called Species Oh man, Yeah, okay, okay.

1669
01:38:27,680 --> 01:38:31,600
Speaker 1: So unfortunately, the the original eyewitness reports which began the

1670
01:38:31,720 --> 01:38:34,920
Speaker 1: year after that film was released, Yeah, this I've heard.

1671
01:38:35,200 --> 01:38:39,200
Speaker 1: They all perfectly described the creature. It's got the spines

1672
01:38:39,240 --> 01:38:42,280
Speaker 1: on its back, Radford. Radford is a person doing right

1673
01:38:42,360 --> 01:38:46,599
Speaker 1: In the book, Radford said, the resemblance between the creature,

1674
01:38:46,640 --> 01:38:48,960
Speaker 1: which is called Sill in the film and the tuper

1675
01:38:49,000 --> 01:38:54,160
Speaker 1: cabra is really impressive. So yeah, the old quadrupedal tuper cabra,

1676
01:38:54,320 --> 01:38:58,080
Speaker 1: it's a dog with Maine. The bipedal tuper caabra seems

1677
01:38:58,120 --> 01:39:02,799
Speaker 1: to be exclude if Lee explained by this this movie

1678
01:39:03,000 --> 01:39:08,040
Speaker 1: and people's feelings about United States colonialism in Puerto Rico,

1679
01:39:08,120 --> 01:39:12,080
Speaker 1: specifically the number of defense facilities and labs in the

1680
01:39:12,200 --> 01:39:14,800
Speaker 1: un k Rainforest, and their feelings that maybe something like

1681
01:39:14,840 --> 01:39:17,559
Speaker 1: this ship could come out of one of these US labs,

1682
01:39:17,600 --> 01:39:20,519
Speaker 1: because if the US was developing a terrible creature that

1683
01:39:20,600 --> 01:39:22,880
Speaker 1: sucked the blood of people, it would absolutely do it

1684
01:39:22,920 --> 01:39:26,759
Speaker 1: in one of its colonial properties. Right, Yes, that entirely

1685
01:39:26,800 --> 01:39:28,800
Speaker 1: makes sense. So there's there's in a sense to you,

1686
01:39:28,960 --> 01:39:34,280
Speaker 1: per Carbre, according to Radford's theory, gives a physical manifestation

1687
01:39:34,479 --> 01:39:37,679
Speaker 1: of this feeling of disgust with the the United States.

1688
01:39:37,840 --> 01:39:40,720
Speaker 1: And I got a couple of other cryptids. I was

1689
01:39:40,720 --> 01:39:45,040
Speaker 1: going to talk very briefly about the Beast of Procter Valley,

1690
01:39:45,080 --> 01:39:47,439
Speaker 1: and then I want to talk about the curse of Body,

1691
01:39:47,479 --> 01:39:50,479
Speaker 1: which is a curse, not a cryptid. But first Robert

1692
01:39:50,479 --> 01:39:52,639
Speaker 1: do you know which what will not ambush your life

1693
01:39:52,640 --> 01:39:56,080
Speaker 1: stock and rip its throat out? Um, I mean like

1694
01:39:56,120 --> 01:39:59,160
Speaker 1: a like a good sheep dog wouldn't do that. That's right,

1695
01:39:59,160 --> 01:40:03,360
Speaker 1: and that's why this so it is presented by border collies. Wow,

1696
01:40:04,400 --> 01:40:08,760
Speaker 1: finally we finally got the big deal with the border collie. Yeah,

1697
01:40:08,760 --> 01:40:12,120
Speaker 1: that's as real complex. That's good. Yep. Just use promo

1698
01:40:12,240 --> 01:40:15,920
Speaker 1: code Robert Evans when you're buying your border collie. Tempt

1699
01:40:16,000 --> 01:40:18,559
Speaker 1: and off. Just walk up to a border collie and

1700
01:40:18,600 --> 01:40:21,800
Speaker 1: shout my name and it's face, try to grab its

1701
01:40:21,800 --> 01:40:23,840
Speaker 1: food away from it rapidly too. That's a good way

1702
01:40:23,880 --> 01:40:27,280
Speaker 1: to get their attention and see what happens. Refused to

1703
01:40:27,320 --> 01:40:31,040
Speaker 1: be herded. Yeah, so see if it likes that. All right,

1704
01:40:31,080 --> 01:40:33,320
Speaker 1: we're back. I hope you've all got your border collies

1705
01:40:33,840 --> 01:40:36,560
Speaker 1: because this this next, this next crypted is it's a

1706
01:40:36,560 --> 01:40:39,320
Speaker 1: little local one. Okay, So they're crypted a bit like

1707
01:40:39,320 --> 01:40:42,400
Speaker 1: the Tubercarbo all across the country. But the one that

1708
01:40:42,479 --> 01:40:45,040
Speaker 1: we have closest to San Diego is called the Proctor

1709
01:40:45,120 --> 01:40:48,559
Speaker 1: Valley Beast. And now to understand the Proctor Valley Beast,

1710
01:40:48,560 --> 01:40:51,439
Speaker 1: I think you've got to understand Proctor Valley. Proctor Valley

1711
01:40:51,640 --> 01:40:53,640
Speaker 1: is exactly the sort of dirt road that you go

1712
01:40:53,720 --> 01:40:55,880
Speaker 1: down when you're sixteen years old when you want to

1713
01:40:55,880 --> 01:40:58,720
Speaker 1: go somewhere with your date, pound a few beers and

1714
01:40:58,880 --> 01:41:02,080
Speaker 1: get away from your parents. Right, these kind of exist

1715
01:41:02,280 --> 01:41:05,320
Speaker 1: all over the country, all over the world probably, and

1716
01:41:05,400 --> 01:41:09,400
Speaker 1: there a little closer. They're close enough to know about,

1717
01:41:09,479 --> 01:41:12,880
Speaker 1: but far enough away to seem weird and distant. Right,

1718
01:41:13,040 --> 01:41:16,040
Speaker 1: And Proctor Valley is a gravel road and you can

1719
01:41:16,120 --> 01:41:18,559
Speaker 1: drive down at a regular cub. It's pretty washboarded. There's

1720
01:41:18,600 --> 01:41:21,519
Speaker 1: no lights, there's no street lights, nothing like that. Right,

1721
01:41:21,640 --> 01:41:25,639
Speaker 1: these days, your greatest danger when you're driving, riding a bike,

1722
01:41:25,760 --> 01:41:27,840
Speaker 1: or walking or driving down Propert Valley Road is the

1723
01:41:27,880 --> 01:41:31,280
Speaker 1: Board of Patrol absolutely hauling ass in one of their

1724
01:41:31,760 --> 01:41:35,320
Speaker 1: Ford Raptors, which they seem to have obtained. And I

1725
01:41:35,360 --> 01:41:38,559
Speaker 1: will never understand their love for the Ford Raptor. Yea,

1726
01:41:38,880 --> 01:41:41,120
Speaker 1: it is. I don't know how much those costs, but

1727
01:41:41,160 --> 01:41:43,000
Speaker 1: it is an obscene amount of money to spend on

1728
01:41:43,000 --> 01:41:45,360
Speaker 1: a pickup truck. Well, it's also like, look, if I'm

1729
01:41:45,479 --> 01:41:47,080
Speaker 1: going to be out in the in the middle of

1730
01:41:47,080 --> 01:41:50,479
Speaker 1: nowhere and trusting an off roading vehicle, my first pick

1731
01:41:50,600 --> 01:41:52,400
Speaker 1: is not going to be the Ford God damn rap.

1732
01:41:52,439 --> 01:41:54,360
Speaker 1: Well you've got to buy American robot. Yeah. But their

1733
01:41:54,400 --> 01:41:58,599
Speaker 1: border control of course, they're driving forwards, unbelievable. Yeah, well

1734
01:41:58,600 --> 01:42:00,599
Speaker 1: they always have a predator drone again, it can come

1735
01:42:00,680 --> 01:42:05,680
Speaker 1: rescue him. Yeah. Yeah, the border patrol and steroid abusers

1736
01:42:05,840 --> 01:42:08,599
Speaker 1: in my old neighborhood in West l A. Shaking hands

1737
01:42:08,640 --> 01:42:12,840
Speaker 1: over the Ford raptors. Yea, Ford raptors with illegal things. Yeah,

1738
01:42:13,000 --> 01:42:15,600
Speaker 1: Ford raptors. The car you can only drive if you

1739
01:42:15,680 --> 01:42:18,680
Speaker 1: have adult onset acne caused as a result of objective

1740
01:42:18,760 --> 01:42:22,920
Speaker 1: hormones into your fucking thigh every night. They's had a

1741
01:42:22,920 --> 01:42:25,840
Speaker 1: lot of them in l A. Coincidentally. Yeah, we already

1742
01:42:25,880 --> 01:42:27,960
Speaker 1: need one for you know, getting down Beverly Hills. But

1743
01:42:28,280 --> 01:42:30,759
Speaker 1: not the good hormones, like the ones you you steal

1744
01:42:30,800 --> 01:42:34,960
Speaker 1: from the horses blood. Yeah. Yeah, the hormones you take

1745
01:42:35,000 --> 01:42:38,160
Speaker 1: when you're wanting to be more matchup but maybe not quite,

1746
01:42:38,360 --> 01:42:42,360
Speaker 1: not quite achieving your gender insecurities. Okay, So legend has

1747
01:42:42,400 --> 01:42:45,040
Speaker 1: it that young couple headed off down Proctor Valley Road

1748
01:42:45,120 --> 01:42:48,519
Speaker 1: one night and their car broke down, so the young

1749
01:42:48,560 --> 01:42:51,800
Speaker 1: man gets out. This is a male female couple and

1750
01:42:51,840 --> 01:42:54,200
Speaker 1: he's going to fix the car, right, And he says

1751
01:42:54,320 --> 01:42:56,600
Speaker 1: to the lady in a very chivalrous way, that she

1752
01:42:56,600 --> 01:43:00,360
Speaker 1: should lock the doors so she's safe. Right. That's last

1753
01:43:00,400 --> 01:43:03,760
Speaker 1: she hears him. So she assumes he's gone off to

1754
01:43:03,800 --> 01:43:06,800
Speaker 1: get some help. And she nods off, and she's got

1755
01:43:06,800 --> 01:43:08,519
Speaker 1: the doors docks very safety knots off and she's a

1756
01:43:08,560 --> 01:43:11,360
Speaker 1: woken by a kind of scratching sound and the winds howling.

1757
01:43:12,000 --> 01:43:13,960
Speaker 1: Every time the wind blows is a little scratch on

1758
01:43:14,000 --> 01:43:18,120
Speaker 1: the roof. Scratch scratch, scratch, scratch, scratch scratch, right, wind noise.

1759
01:43:18,160 --> 01:43:21,240
Speaker 1: I'm not going to do the wind noise. And she

1760
01:43:22,080 --> 01:43:25,559
Speaker 1: starts shooting herself right. She's very scared now. Scratch scrat scratch, win, win, win,

1761
01:43:25,640 --> 01:43:28,720
Speaker 1: scratch scrat scratch. And she stays there till sunshine when

1762
01:43:28,760 --> 01:43:32,080
Speaker 1: she's son up. When she's woken up by the good

1763
01:43:32,080 --> 01:43:35,439
Speaker 1: people of the San Diego Sheriff's Department San Diego Sheriff's

1764
01:43:35,439 --> 01:43:37,840
Speaker 1: Department of shouting their pointing guns, said they're doing their thing.

1765
01:43:38,160 --> 01:43:41,920
Speaker 1: Why are they doing that? Because her boyfriend is hanging

1766
01:43:42,040 --> 01:43:45,000
Speaker 1: upside down, dismembered from the tree above her, and his

1767
01:43:45,240 --> 01:43:47,960
Speaker 1: nails are catching the top of the car. Every time

1768
01:43:48,000 --> 01:43:50,880
Speaker 1: the wind blows him right, he's been killed by the

1769
01:43:50,960 --> 01:43:54,760
Speaker 1: product valley beast. Now, the product Valley beast is is

1770
01:43:54,800 --> 01:43:59,680
Speaker 1: an animal of kind of nondescript shape and size. The

1771
01:44:00,840 --> 01:44:05,040
Speaker 1: in the seventy the local radio DJ organized a search

1772
01:44:05,120 --> 01:44:07,920
Speaker 1: for the Propta Valley beast. Right, people went out at night.

1773
01:44:07,960 --> 01:44:10,240
Speaker 1: Previously the prompt vality beast. Most of the stories it

1774
01:44:10,320 --> 01:44:13,800
Speaker 1: kind of looked like a kind of winged, bipedal half

1775
01:44:13,920 --> 01:44:17,439
Speaker 1: human gobbling creature. It changed it form in the nineteen

1776
01:44:17,479 --> 01:44:21,960
Speaker 1: seventies when people conducting it's just kind of a teen

1777
01:44:22,160 --> 01:44:24,400
Speaker 1: radio thing. In the nineteen seventies, right, people conducting this

1778
01:44:24,439 --> 01:44:29,160
Speaker 1: search reported finding a deranged cow. Okay, the cow was

1779
01:44:29,160 --> 01:44:34,400
Speaker 1: probably not directed. The cow was just sleeping. Yeah. I've

1780
01:44:34,479 --> 01:44:36,479
Speaker 1: known more cows than most people. I grew up on

1781
01:44:36,479 --> 01:44:39,040
Speaker 1: a cow farm. I've seen them behave in a variety

1782
01:44:39,080 --> 01:44:42,439
Speaker 1: of ways. I've never seen one appeared deranged. That's because

1783
01:44:42,439 --> 01:44:46,240
Speaker 1: they're moving very quickly. Sometimes they're scared, sometimes they're sick.

1784
01:44:46,520 --> 01:44:49,080
Speaker 1: Deranged as an interesting because cows don't really have enough

1785
01:44:49,120 --> 01:44:51,920
Speaker 1: going on up there to be deranged. Because you didn't

1786
01:44:51,920 --> 01:44:53,719
Speaker 1: grow up in the United Kingdom in a certain period

1787
01:44:53,720 --> 01:44:56,400
Speaker 1: of time, Robert, when our cows became mad. Well, but

1788
01:44:56,479 --> 01:45:00,599
Speaker 1: that's still I've I've seen cows that have mad how disease,

1789
01:45:00,600 --> 01:45:03,360
Speaker 1: and they're like, they're ill, but there I don't know. Yeah,

1790
01:45:03,360 --> 01:45:09,760
Speaker 1: they're not like yeah, yeah, that's getting the name of

1791
01:45:09,840 --> 01:45:14,200
Speaker 1: their eldest daughter and lest they lose their way home

1792
01:45:14,800 --> 01:45:18,360
Speaker 1: going on violent rampages. They're asking where their husband, who

1793
01:45:18,400 --> 01:45:21,360
Speaker 1: died twenty three years ago is when they wake up

1794
01:45:21,400 --> 01:45:24,960
Speaker 1: in the middle of the night. Anyway, senile cow they

1795
01:45:24,960 --> 01:45:26,880
Speaker 1: have to go to. They go and live on a

1796
01:45:26,880 --> 01:45:28,639
Speaker 1: farm when they got all the cats. Why you haven't

1797
01:45:28,640 --> 01:45:31,400
Speaker 1: seen him, Robert, I sure do. Like that young Ronald

1798
01:45:31,439 --> 01:45:36,920
Speaker 1: Reagan that my cowboys. Yeah, yeah, they they get. They get. Oh,

1799
01:45:37,040 --> 01:45:39,200
Speaker 1: they forget things. They vote for Donald Trump, they do

1800
01:45:39,240 --> 01:45:41,880
Speaker 1: a fascism. That's what happens to cows is the only

1801
01:45:41,920 --> 01:45:44,560
Speaker 1: ways cows can die. Otherwise they live very happy and

1802
01:45:44,600 --> 01:45:48,120
Speaker 1: fulfilled lives in the countryside. So why why do we

1803
01:45:48,160 --> 01:45:49,920
Speaker 1: have this PRODUCTI Valley bes right, Why is there a

1804
01:45:50,040 --> 01:45:53,920
Speaker 1: mad cow that murdered a young man who was it

1805
01:45:54,040 --> 01:45:57,519
Speaker 1: was out late that with a young woman. No one,

1806
01:45:57,720 --> 01:45:59,439
Speaker 1: No one knows who this young man is, right, I

1807
01:45:59,479 --> 01:46:02,360
Speaker 1: did to trauma best to find reports of any murders

1808
01:46:02,400 --> 01:46:05,680
Speaker 1: in Proctor Valley. And of course it won't surprise you

1809
01:46:05,720 --> 01:46:07,920
Speaker 1: to learn that we have in fact discovered dead bodies

1810
01:46:07,960 --> 01:46:10,280
Speaker 1: in Proctor Valley, because unfortunately, Proptic Valley is just a

1811
01:46:10,280 --> 01:46:14,720
Speaker 1: few miles from the border, and and I've spent quite

1812
01:46:14,760 --> 01:46:16,680
Speaker 1: a lot of time out in that area, and that unfortunately,

1813
01:46:16,720 --> 01:46:19,000
Speaker 1: the people that we are finding then in Proctor Valley

1814
01:46:19,000 --> 01:46:22,080
Speaker 1: haven't been killed by deranged cow or a bipedal beast,

1815
01:46:22,160 --> 01:46:26,400
Speaker 1: but in fact by the elements rights people trying to

1816
01:46:26,400 --> 01:46:28,360
Speaker 1: cross the border and find a better life for themselves

1817
01:46:28,400 --> 01:46:31,000
Speaker 1: and not making it as far as the dirt road

1818
01:46:31,000 --> 01:46:32,800
Speaker 1: which leads to a small town, which leads to a

1819
01:46:32,800 --> 01:46:34,479
Speaker 1: big road, which leads to a big town that is

1820
01:46:35,560 --> 01:46:40,479
Speaker 1: close to there. And so what the Proctor Valley Beast

1821
01:46:40,560 --> 01:46:43,760
Speaker 1: is a myth that serves to tell kids to not

1822
01:46:43,880 --> 01:46:46,120
Speaker 1: drive down dirt roads late at night on their own right.

1823
01:46:46,200 --> 01:46:50,840
Speaker 1: It's two kids, fun your parents. Yeah, absolutely, fucking send it.

1824
01:46:51,280 --> 01:46:55,240
Speaker 1: Your mediata can handle it. Get off the road, do

1825
01:46:55,360 --> 01:46:58,720
Speaker 1: some drifting. What's the worst that could happen? Maybe if

1826
01:46:58,760 --> 01:47:01,080
Speaker 1: you're out there, take a gallon of water. Uh, And

1827
01:47:01,840 --> 01:47:04,640
Speaker 1: maybe maybe I'm not going to say that because there

1828
01:47:04,720 --> 01:47:07,880
Speaker 1: might be a crime. Yeah, we can cut that. I

1829
01:47:07,920 --> 01:47:10,200
Speaker 1: was gonna say, a handgun with a single bullet in

1830
01:47:10,200 --> 01:47:13,880
Speaker 1: case you get stuck off road, a silver bullet and yeah,

1831
01:47:13,920 --> 01:47:16,320
Speaker 1: and a nail to hit it with. So the last,

1832
01:47:16,560 --> 01:47:18,160
Speaker 1: the last curse I want to get to you is

1833
01:47:18,200 --> 01:47:21,880
Speaker 1: the curse of Body State Historic Park. Do you know, Joe,

1834
01:47:21,840 --> 01:47:24,559
Speaker 1: what at is? Robert? No, When you said Body, I

1835
01:47:24,600 --> 01:47:27,800
Speaker 1: thought immediately about the movie Point Break. Okay, I haven't

1836
01:47:27,800 --> 01:47:33,439
Speaker 1: seen it. Oh well that's okay, that Garrison you've seen it. No,

1837
01:47:34,479 --> 01:47:37,519
Speaker 1: point I'm sorry, I forgot this is the Point Break.

1838
01:47:37,640 --> 01:47:41,439
Speaker 1: This is an audio medium. Yeah, I can't shake my head. No, No,

1839
01:47:41,520 --> 01:47:43,519
Speaker 1: I'm not seen Point Break. You haven't seen Point Break?

1840
01:47:43,840 --> 01:47:48,400
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Oh my god. I watched the filmmaker's previous,

1841
01:47:48,439 --> 01:47:52,680
Speaker 1: far superior film that will not be named. This is

1842
01:47:53,160 --> 01:47:56,439
Speaker 1: that like one person will get who Well, we're gonna

1843
01:47:56,479 --> 01:47:58,519
Speaker 1: have to watch Point Break. But there's a guy named

1844
01:47:58,560 --> 01:48:00,679
Speaker 1: Body on it and he is kind of a crypted

1845
01:48:01,040 --> 01:48:04,240
Speaker 1: interesting so there Body has a bit of a problem, right,

1846
01:48:04,280 --> 01:48:08,960
Speaker 1: Body is an abandon all those those banks. Anyway, this

1847
01:48:09,040 --> 01:48:12,160
Speaker 1: story does involve some robbing, Oh good, Yeah, but have

1848
01:48:12,200 --> 01:48:15,200
Speaker 1: a bit of theft on the podcast So what happened

1849
01:48:15,200 --> 01:48:18,680
Speaker 1: in Body is Body's got a problem, right. Body has

1850
01:48:18,680 --> 01:48:22,960
Speaker 1: a problem specifically with mail, because almost every week when

1851
01:48:22,960 --> 01:48:27,080
Speaker 1: the rangers from Body travel into town to get the mail,

1852
01:48:27,960 --> 01:48:30,040
Speaker 1: they have to collect half a dozen or so little

1853
01:48:30,040 --> 01:48:33,719
Speaker 1: packages containing little things like rocks, pizzas of wood, fragments

1854
01:48:33,720 --> 01:48:36,439
Speaker 1: of pottery, or coins. And all of those little packages

1855
01:48:36,479 --> 01:48:38,800
Speaker 1: have letters attached to them. And I'm going to read

1856
01:48:38,840 --> 01:48:43,160
Speaker 1: from some of those letters. Please find enclosed one weather

1857
01:48:43,200 --> 01:48:46,120
Speaker 1: beat an old shoe. The shoe was removed from Body

1858
01:48:46,200 --> 01:48:50,200
Speaker 1: during the months of August. My trail of misfortune is

1859
01:48:50,240 --> 01:48:54,040
Speaker 1: so long and depressing it can't be listed here. Another one.

1860
01:48:54,200 --> 01:48:56,720
Speaker 1: You can have these god forsaken rocks back. I've never

1861
01:48:56,760 --> 01:48:59,479
Speaker 1: had so much rotten luck in my life. Please forgive

1862
01:48:59,479 --> 01:49:03,720
Speaker 1: me for ever testing the curse of Body. Okay, so

1863
01:49:04,240 --> 01:49:07,000
Speaker 1: what we got here, what we got here is a curse, right,

1864
01:49:07,479 --> 01:49:10,599
Speaker 1: just a good old fashioned If you steal something from

1865
01:49:10,600 --> 01:49:14,720
Speaker 1: the town, the town will come back and hurt you. Right. Yeah,

1866
01:49:14,800 --> 01:49:18,360
Speaker 1: And so Body popped up in the late nineteenth century

1867
01:49:18,400 --> 01:49:22,040
Speaker 1: gold rush rights in between Mono Lake a Lake Tahoe.

1868
01:49:23,040 --> 01:49:27,080
Speaker 1: They it's named after a gold prospector. There was some

1869
01:49:27,160 --> 01:49:30,040
Speaker 1: gold found there in fact, at its height, Body hosted

1870
01:49:30,080 --> 01:49:33,880
Speaker 1: around ten thousand people, right, And for those ten thousand people,

1871
01:49:33,960 --> 01:49:37,080
Speaker 1: there were sixty saloons, which is a pretty good ratio.

1872
01:49:37,600 --> 01:49:40,760
Speaker 1: There's multiple documented gunfights on the main street and Body

1873
01:49:40,760 --> 01:49:44,439
Speaker 1: it seems like the stereotypical wild West town that after

1874
01:49:44,479 --> 01:49:46,080
Speaker 1: the gold rushers are over, it wasn't such a great

1875
01:49:46,080 --> 01:49:49,920
Speaker 1: place to live, so people abandoned it. And it's now

1876
01:49:50,200 --> 01:49:53,600
Speaker 1: managed by the California Park Service, right, And the California

1877
01:49:53,640 --> 01:49:57,360
Speaker 1: Park Service curates this ghost town in arrested decay so

1878
01:49:57,400 --> 01:49:59,479
Speaker 1: that people can come and see this little slice of history.

1879
01:50:00,200 --> 01:50:02,560
Speaker 1: And there's a lot we can learn from these, like

1880
01:50:03,040 --> 01:50:05,240
Speaker 1: these places that have been abandoned, right, we can learn

1881
01:50:05,280 --> 01:50:08,080
Speaker 1: a lot about the history of everyday life, like what

1882
01:50:08,240 --> 01:50:10,280
Speaker 1: things do people have in their kitchen? Why with this

1883
01:50:10,400 --> 01:50:13,400
Speaker 1: next to that? Why is there a knife here? Why

1884
01:50:13,479 --> 01:50:16,200
Speaker 1: is why the beer bottles kept here? There's a lot

1885
01:50:16,240 --> 01:50:18,400
Speaker 1: that historians can learn over time that they might not

1886
01:50:18,439 --> 01:50:21,040
Speaker 1: find initially. So it's important to keep these things in

1887
01:50:22,040 --> 01:50:25,600
Speaker 1: really pristine condition. Right. The problem that they had was

1888
01:50:25,640 --> 01:50:29,439
Speaker 1: once they opened the park, you could just walk around town. Right,

1889
01:50:29,520 --> 01:50:31,880
Speaker 1: It's not like a museum. There aren't a little ropes

1890
01:50:32,040 --> 01:50:35,880
Speaker 1: that there aren't plexiglass diviolence keeping you away from stuff,

1891
01:50:35,920 --> 01:50:37,840
Speaker 1: and people think that as an invitation to steal ship,

1892
01:50:38,760 --> 01:50:45,200
Speaker 1: and steal ship they did so. The park's ranger, who

1893
01:50:45,200 --> 01:50:48,400
Speaker 1: I cannot find the name of anywhere, but at some

1894
01:50:48,520 --> 01:50:51,920
Speaker 1: point a park ranger giving the walking tours around Body,

1895
01:50:52,160 --> 01:50:56,759
Speaker 1: started telling people about this legendary curse. And this curse,

1896
01:50:57,479 --> 01:50:59,759
Speaker 1: he said, made it so that anyone who took anything

1897
01:50:59,800 --> 01:51:03,000
Speaker 1: from Body would be pursued by bad luck for the

1898
01:51:03,040 --> 01:51:05,040
Speaker 1: rest of their life. Didn't really think anything of which,

1899
01:51:05,040 --> 01:51:08,519
Speaker 1: didn't want people to steal ship, right, And as a result,

1900
01:51:09,200 --> 01:51:12,559
Speaker 1: hundreds of people who had stolen things from Body started

1901
01:51:12,640 --> 01:51:16,960
Speaker 1: returning them in the mail. Right. They're blaming everything from cellulitis, cancer,

1902
01:51:17,160 --> 01:51:20,680
Speaker 1: failed relationships, so on the thing that they stole from body.

1903
01:51:21,040 --> 01:51:24,559
Speaker 1: That this would just be funny if it wasn't for

1904
01:51:24,600 --> 01:51:26,760
Speaker 1: the fact that every single one of these items has

1905
01:51:26,800 --> 01:51:32,000
Speaker 1: been stolen from a protected site. Right. The Park Service

1906
01:51:32,000 --> 01:51:35,400
Speaker 1: has now set itself up with this huge administrative burden,

1907
01:51:35,920 --> 01:51:39,400
Speaker 1: which is reporting a theft for every single shoe or

1908
01:51:39,479 --> 01:51:43,200
Speaker 1: piece of glass or button that's stolen from body. So

1909
01:51:43,560 --> 01:51:45,960
Speaker 1: it's taking up a huge in order amount of their time,

1910
01:51:46,520 --> 01:51:49,680
Speaker 1: and they no longer will speak. I've tried to reach out.

1911
01:51:49,720 --> 01:51:51,519
Speaker 1: I didn't get a response. I did. I did drop

1912
01:51:51,520 --> 01:51:54,160
Speaker 1: them a Facebook message on their page, trying to trying

1913
01:51:54,160 --> 01:51:56,360
Speaker 1: to talk to someone about this. But they no longer

1914
01:51:56,439 --> 01:51:59,599
Speaker 1: talk about the curse because it's created such a burden

1915
01:51:59,640 --> 01:52:04,559
Speaker 1: for them, filing police reports to all these buttons. This

1916
01:52:04,640 --> 01:52:07,519
Speaker 1: is the actual curse that they did themselves, Like this

1917
01:52:07,560 --> 01:52:10,560
Speaker 1: is this is how most curses actually work. That you

1918
01:52:10,760 --> 01:52:14,840
Speaker 1: just actually like the effect is what you turned the

1919
01:52:14,920 --> 01:52:17,960
Speaker 1: thing into and now you're forced to all the police

1920
01:52:17,960 --> 01:52:20,920
Speaker 1: reports and that's the actual effect of the curse. Yeah,

1921
01:52:21,160 --> 01:52:22,720
Speaker 1: I think it's wonderful. I think it's great that they

1922
01:52:22,760 --> 01:52:26,240
Speaker 1: made this this rod for their own bag. You know,

1923
01:52:26,640 --> 01:52:30,000
Speaker 1: you know what won't curse you with cancer or sell ulitis? Garrison,

1924
01:52:30,640 --> 01:52:35,320
Speaker 1: I cannot. I there's there's a lot of weird stuff

1925
01:52:35,320 --> 01:52:38,519
Speaker 1: that ever excellent mobile will give you cancer. So yeah,

1926
01:52:38,680 --> 01:52:41,799
Speaker 1: well the gold that we're about to plug, that's totally

1927
01:52:41,880 --> 01:52:44,400
Speaker 1: totally safe. You can huff that gold, you can melt

1928
01:52:44,439 --> 01:52:46,559
Speaker 1: it down, dip your hand in, get a gold plate

1929
01:52:46,560 --> 01:52:51,040
Speaker 1: at hand, totally fine, lick it, lick it, pop it.

1930
01:52:52,120 --> 01:52:56,720
Speaker 1: You know that's that to Garrison. Sure, shame was incredibly

1931
01:52:56,760 --> 01:53:00,920
Speaker 1: popular when I was a kid, it was like everywhere. Alright,

1932
01:53:00,920 --> 01:53:03,960
Speaker 1: we're back and having all received our little bags of

1933
01:53:04,000 --> 01:53:07,360
Speaker 1: gold for that plug we did. Yep, I have mine

1934
01:53:07,439 --> 01:53:09,600
Speaker 1: right here. I like to keep it with me in

1935
01:53:09,640 --> 01:53:13,400
Speaker 1: case the ship hits the fan. I'm buried. I've buried

1936
01:53:13,439 --> 01:53:17,080
Speaker 1: mine in the middle of the Organ desert. Smart, I've

1937
01:53:17,080 --> 01:53:18,680
Speaker 1: buried a couple of things in the middle of the

1938
01:53:18,720 --> 01:53:23,519
Speaker 1: Oregon desert, none of them gold. Well, that was a

1939
01:53:23,600 --> 01:53:28,120
Speaker 1: big sense on your definition of gold. Yeah, Bigfoot's arm pit,

1940
01:53:28,200 --> 01:53:30,800
Speaker 1: that's what you buried out in your definition of that

1941
01:53:30,840 --> 01:53:35,320
Speaker 1: guy started a barbershop in whatever. Continue Okay, yeah, yeah,

1942
01:53:35,320 --> 01:53:38,000
Speaker 1: we don't need to talk about that on the podcast.

1943
01:53:36,920 --> 01:53:41,200
Speaker 1: Thanks do. We don't want any more Robert's felonies on

1944
01:53:41,200 --> 01:53:44,719
Speaker 1: on Maine, since only a felony if the police find

1945
01:53:44,760 --> 01:53:47,760
Speaker 1: the body. M that's true, But maybe you could put

1946
01:53:47,800 --> 01:53:49,479
Speaker 1: put some sh it out there about a curse related

1947
01:53:49,520 --> 01:53:54,759
Speaker 1: to the body. Yeah, sure, I give it some Maine

1948
01:53:54,640 --> 01:53:57,640
Speaker 1: ya and then stuff it. So why why do we

1949
01:53:57,720 --> 01:54:02,400
Speaker 1: have curses encrypted? Obviously partly because it's just sucking fun,

1950
01:54:03,760 --> 01:54:08,240
Speaker 1: and partly because some of our beliefs, right like if

1951
01:54:08,240 --> 01:54:09,920
Speaker 1: we if we look at Dirk him or what dirkhim

1952
01:54:09,920 --> 01:54:12,680
Speaker 1: thought religion worth religion is kind of an outgrowth of

1953
01:54:12,720 --> 01:54:15,680
Speaker 1: society that unites people based on a moral code. Right,

1954
01:54:15,800 --> 01:54:21,400
Speaker 1: and functionalists more broadly in sociology, believe that these beliefs

1955
01:54:21,920 --> 01:54:24,240
Speaker 1: serve and function in society. And I think a lot

1956
01:54:24,280 --> 01:54:28,439
Speaker 1: of these things help us explain things that we can't

1957
01:54:28,479 --> 01:54:34,160
Speaker 1: otherwise explain, or give a more palatable explanation for things

1958
01:54:34,160 --> 01:54:38,800
Speaker 1: that we don't care to explain, right, or things and

1959
01:54:38,800 --> 01:54:41,960
Speaker 1: and like in nearly all of these cases, there are

1960
01:54:42,160 --> 01:54:45,320
Speaker 1: things that rip children away from their mothers. There's another

1961
01:54:45,440 --> 01:54:49,160
Speaker 1: Mexican like shape shifting, which that ripped children away from

1962
01:54:49,160 --> 01:54:52,960
Speaker 1: their mothers. Right. Unfortunately, there are things that ripped children

1963
01:54:52,960 --> 01:54:56,520
Speaker 1: away from their mothers, and your taxpayer dollars pay for them. Right,

1964
01:54:56,640 --> 01:54:59,800
Speaker 1: But it it works a little better to explain things

1965
01:55:00,400 --> 01:55:03,080
Speaker 1: that we don't that don't fit with our other systems

1966
01:55:03,080 --> 01:55:07,000
Speaker 1: of belief through Like if if we fundamentally believe right

1967
01:55:07,040 --> 01:55:09,160
Speaker 1: that that I know that that the world is good

1968
01:55:09,160 --> 01:55:12,040
Speaker 1: in capitalism is wonderful, and that gradually things will trickle

1969
01:55:12,080 --> 01:55:14,160
Speaker 1: down so that everyone gets richer of the rich get

1970
01:55:14,240 --> 01:55:17,560
Speaker 1: richer first, it can become very hard to explain the

1971
01:55:17,600 --> 01:55:20,120
Speaker 1: state of the world unless you're a member of the

1972
01:55:20,160 --> 01:55:23,040
Speaker 1: Conservative and Union As Party of Great Britain and Northern Ireland,

1973
01:55:23,040 --> 01:55:27,760
Speaker 1: of course, and so instead we create these external things, right,

1974
01:55:28,360 --> 01:55:31,320
Speaker 1: these things that go bump in the night, So sometimes

1975
01:55:31,360 --> 01:55:34,880
Speaker 1: they can be a proxy for external forces, right. The

1976
01:55:34,960 --> 01:55:38,400
Speaker 1: tuper Cabra in a way kind of explains as we

1977
01:55:38,480 --> 01:55:40,800
Speaker 1: get closer to nature and nature pushes back on us

1978
01:55:40,800 --> 01:55:44,440
Speaker 1: a little bit, that why that happens, right, rather than

1979
01:55:44,440 --> 01:55:46,720
Speaker 1: just saying, oh, funk, we've given all these cooties Maine.

1980
01:55:46,800 --> 01:55:48,440
Speaker 1: How that? How on earth are we in a state

1981
01:55:48,440 --> 01:55:52,480
Speaker 1: where there's a blue dog walking around the The tuper

1982
01:55:52,480 --> 01:55:54,560
Speaker 1: Caabure also serves as a way to kind of personify

1983
01:55:54,680 --> 01:55:58,040
Speaker 1: for people in Puerto Rico, either consciously or unconsciously, that

1984
01:55:58,200 --> 01:56:00,560
Speaker 1: the terrible impact of the United States. It's only lives

1985
01:56:00,600 --> 01:56:03,480
Speaker 1: on there right, which it's not very hard to see,

1986
01:56:04,040 --> 01:56:07,520
Speaker 1: and even the Proctor Valley beast right that, so stay

1987
01:56:07,520 --> 01:56:09,920
Speaker 1: away from this dark road near the border late at night.

1988
01:56:10,720 --> 01:56:14,600
Speaker 1: There were reasons to stay away from there, but unfortunately

1989
01:56:14,600 --> 01:56:16,400
Speaker 1: there are there are also reasons to go there and

1990
01:56:16,840 --> 01:56:19,800
Speaker 1: try and help people who are genuinely suffering, and lots

1991
01:56:19,840 --> 01:56:22,040
Speaker 1: of people I know going go and leave water out

1992
01:56:22,040 --> 01:56:27,120
Speaker 1: there So these curses they kind of like credit scores, right,

1993
01:56:27,120 --> 01:56:29,920
Speaker 1: they're not real, but they can sometimes ruin your life. Um,

1994
01:56:31,000 --> 01:56:34,400
Speaker 1: and so sometimes it's just easier to pretend that it's

1995
01:56:34,440 --> 01:56:37,280
Speaker 1: magic doing that rather than this overarching global system which

1996
01:56:37,320 --> 01:56:41,280
Speaker 1: is not very nice. And that's kind of where I

1997
01:56:41,280 --> 01:56:44,560
Speaker 1: want to finish up. I guess is this. These are

1998
01:56:44,600 --> 01:56:46,840
Speaker 1: ways to explain things that we can't always explain, and

1999
01:56:46,840 --> 01:56:49,480
Speaker 1: that's that's sometimes okay because sometimes it can be hard

2000
01:56:49,520 --> 01:56:53,560
Speaker 1: to confront these things. You've got anything else you want

2001
01:56:53,560 --> 01:56:58,200
Speaker 1: to say about cryptids, Robert, I don't know. Um. I

2002
01:56:58,240 --> 01:57:02,120
Speaker 1: think if you're in an industry that's adjacent to illegal

2003
01:57:02,160 --> 01:57:05,120
Speaker 1: drugs and you murder someone in the woods, it's probably

2004
01:57:05,120 --> 01:57:07,840
Speaker 1: a good idea to blame it on Bigfoot. So that

2005
01:57:07,880 --> 01:57:10,280
Speaker 1: would be my advice for our listeners is to blame

2006
01:57:10,320 --> 01:57:13,480
Speaker 1: your crimes on bigfoot. M hm, I don't know. Do

2007
01:57:13,520 --> 01:57:16,160
Speaker 1: you guys believe in Bigfoot? Let's let's end by talking

2008
01:57:16,200 --> 01:57:20,959
Speaker 1: about that, like like actually like believe in the physical

2009
01:57:21,640 --> 01:57:26,600
Speaker 1: ape like thing that's been dustly undiscovered that rooms in

2010
01:57:27,800 --> 01:57:31,920
Speaker 1: say ape like Garrison primate. I think doesn't necessarily mean

2011
01:57:31,960 --> 01:57:37,120
Speaker 1: ape like sure primate probably, and I do I do

2012
01:57:37,280 --> 01:57:40,960
Speaker 1: do not do not think that there's a physical one exists. Now.

2013
01:57:41,320 --> 01:57:45,680
Speaker 1: I think, like we've mentioned before, like the words you know,

2014
01:57:45,680 --> 01:57:47,400
Speaker 1: you can say like a curse isn't really but it

2015
01:57:47,440 --> 01:57:49,880
Speaker 1: can still have effects based on how we talk about

2016
01:57:49,920 --> 01:57:52,840
Speaker 1: it and how like we can kind of make it

2017
01:57:52,920 --> 01:57:54,920
Speaker 1: real by our own actions. And the same thing like

2018
01:57:55,480 --> 01:57:58,600
Speaker 1: I don't think Bigfoot of the primate exists, but as

2019
01:57:58,640 --> 01:58:01,040
Speaker 1: a cultural symbol that has him packet base. It is

2020
01:58:01,160 --> 01:58:04,440
Speaker 1: real in some way. Um, but it's not like not

2021
01:58:04,480 --> 01:58:09,600
Speaker 1: like except for I would say it is real in

2022
01:58:09,640 --> 01:58:13,240
Speaker 1: a physical way. Um. And uh, have you seen a

2023
01:58:13,240 --> 01:58:15,080
Speaker 1: big foot robber? Are you gonna just it's this way

2024
01:58:15,120 --> 01:58:17,800
Speaker 1: you drop in your big foot? I actually, I actually have.

2025
01:58:18,320 --> 01:58:20,480
Speaker 1: I've seen a couple. I've seen a couple of large

2026
01:58:20,560 --> 01:58:24,200
Speaker 1: animals out in the woods. You've seen weird in the woods.

2027
01:58:24,520 --> 01:58:27,360
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm not comfortable calling it a bigfoot,

2028
01:58:27,640 --> 01:58:32,880
Speaker 1: but I am weird weird things in the woods certainly. Certainly. Yeah,

2029
01:58:32,920 --> 01:58:34,680
Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of weird things in the woods

2030
01:58:34,800 --> 01:58:38,680
Speaker 1: and all of them were bigfoot, as far as has

2031
01:58:38,720 --> 01:58:42,320
Speaker 1: anyone has ever been able to convince me. Um. And

2032
01:58:42,400 --> 01:58:46,520
Speaker 1: you know, when you get right down to it, isn't

2033
01:58:46,560 --> 01:58:50,640
Speaker 1: that what Christmas is all about? Yes, half happy Halloween

2034
01:58:50,680 --> 01:59:14,280
Speaker 1: and happy Halloween everybody. Yeah. Oh oh no, there's that

2035
01:59:14,400 --> 01:59:19,800
Speaker 1: monster coming to kill me with his fentinel knife. Ah,

2036
01:59:19,800 --> 01:59:25,440
Speaker 1: it got me, what a bummer. Welcome to Welcome to

2037
01:59:25,480 --> 01:59:27,920
Speaker 1: Spooky Week when we're talking about all of the scariest

2038
01:59:27,960 --> 01:59:32,280
Speaker 1: things a podcast with foreshadowing, that is foreshadowing. That's right,

2039
01:59:33,040 --> 01:59:36,800
Speaker 1: twent Deputy Garrison Davis just fentanel by being near it

2040
01:59:36,880 --> 01:59:41,600
Speaker 1: on the seventeen knock as. Yep, it was very scary,

2041
01:59:42,320 --> 01:59:48,920
Speaker 1: very very very spooky. Yeah. Ah, it's good. It's good too.

2042
01:59:48,920 --> 01:59:50,560
Speaker 1: It's good to be It's good to be back with

2043
01:59:50,600 --> 01:59:55,680
Speaker 1: Spooky Week. All right, So this episode, I believe Chris

2044
01:59:55,760 --> 01:59:59,480
Speaker 1: has something very special prepared for us. Yes, so this

2045
01:59:59,600 --> 02:00:01,440
Speaker 1: is just an we are talking about one of the

2046
02:00:01,840 --> 02:00:05,640
Speaker 1: most immediately recognizable and enduring symbols of Halloween and one

2047
02:00:05,680 --> 02:00:07,240
Speaker 1: of the things that I've had to spend the most

2048
02:00:07,280 --> 02:00:09,680
Speaker 1: time cropping out of party invitations when I was sending

2049
02:00:09,680 --> 02:00:15,360
Speaker 1: them to kids. Oh no, we're talking talking other other

2050
02:00:15,560 --> 02:00:19,640
Speaker 1: iconic Yeah, well this is the one, like like specifically,

2051
02:00:19,680 --> 02:00:21,120
Speaker 1: I just spent a lot of time cropping this out

2052
02:00:21,160 --> 02:00:24,720
Speaker 1: of I fucking like party invitations people, because if like

2053
02:00:25,080 --> 02:00:27,960
Speaker 1: you're you're in you're in your like fucking shitty Christian suburb.

2054
02:00:28,240 --> 02:00:30,320
Speaker 1: And if you send a kid home with an invitation

2055
02:00:30,360 --> 02:00:32,400
Speaker 1: that has a that has a black cat on it, uh,

2056
02:00:32,480 --> 02:00:34,400
Speaker 1: their parents will pull them out of public school because

2057
02:00:34,400 --> 02:00:38,320
Speaker 1: of the like the rising threat of Satanism. Better to

2058
02:00:38,360 --> 02:00:40,840
Speaker 1: stick to the tried and true, you know, like put

2059
02:00:40,840 --> 02:00:43,040
Speaker 1: the Uni bomber on it or something. Yeah, you got

2060
02:00:43,080 --> 02:00:47,000
Speaker 1: you gotta lots of nice stars. Put some crosses on

2061
02:00:47,040 --> 02:00:51,920
Speaker 1: it instead, but like a cornucopia mixture. It's like called

2062
02:00:51,920 --> 02:00:54,560
Speaker 1: like a harvest festival or some bullshit. Yeah, oh yeah,

2063
02:00:54,640 --> 02:00:58,000
Speaker 1: harvest festival. Yeah, come to my fucking Pentagram party or

2064
02:00:58,040 --> 02:01:01,960
Speaker 1: your party sack. So yeah, we're we're talking about the

2065
02:01:01,960 --> 02:01:05,400
Speaker 1: black cat um And ironically, the black cats association with

2066
02:01:05,400 --> 02:01:08,000
Speaker 1: witchcraft is actually this is the Catholic Church's fault as

2067
02:01:08,000 --> 02:01:13,920
Speaker 1: our many only bad thing they've ever done. They even

2068
02:01:13,960 --> 02:01:19,400
Speaker 1: created Protestantism. It's a it's a real issue, so true.

2069
02:01:20,040 --> 02:01:24,440
Speaker 1: So okay, So Pope Pope Gregory the Night make cats

2070
02:01:24,440 --> 02:01:27,480
Speaker 1: eternally feast on his soul. It took took office of

2071
02:01:27,680 --> 02:01:31,480
Speaker 1: the Pope in twelve and six years later in it's

2072
02:01:31,520 --> 02:01:34,360
Speaker 1: in in twelve thirty three he issues his first papal bull.

2073
02:01:35,040 --> 02:01:37,400
Speaker 1: Just this is This bull is called vox in Rama

2074
02:01:37,520 --> 02:01:40,240
Speaker 1: and Fox and Rama is essentially like it's a giant

2075
02:01:40,240 --> 02:01:43,840
Speaker 1: anti Witchcraft bull that is designed to like what do

2076
02:01:43,840 --> 02:01:47,080
Speaker 1: you mean by bull like people? People? Bulls are these

2077
02:01:47,160 --> 02:01:50,760
Speaker 1: like orders basically that are like declared by the pope

2078
02:01:50,800 --> 02:01:53,200
Speaker 1: and they turn into sort of like they have this

2079
02:01:53,240 --> 02:01:56,000
Speaker 1: sort of legal status that there there they determined what

2080
02:01:56,080 --> 02:01:58,080
Speaker 1: sort of church doctor in church positions, because it's it's

2081
02:01:58,080 --> 02:02:01,080
Speaker 1: basically like it's like it's like the it's like an

2082
02:02:01,080 --> 02:02:03,400
Speaker 1: executive order for the Pope. Okay, all right, and they

2083
02:02:03,400 --> 02:02:05,480
Speaker 1: can just do this and so they do this a lot,

2084
02:02:05,640 --> 02:02:07,600
Speaker 1: and yeah, this this is the sort of anti Riitchcraft

2085
02:02:07,600 --> 02:02:09,880
Speaker 1: one because he's trying to rally support for like stamping

2086
02:02:09,880 --> 02:02:13,680
Speaker 1: out a bunch of heretics in Germany for the crime

2087
02:02:13,760 --> 02:02:16,120
Speaker 1: of like not believing in Catholic doctrine and giving all

2088
02:02:16,160 --> 02:02:19,840
Speaker 1: their money to the pope. So this bull like directly

2089
02:02:19,920 --> 02:02:23,800
Speaker 1: links cats to Satanic rituals. There's this whole thing about

2090
02:02:23,800 --> 02:02:31,160
Speaker 1: like half cat like half people. We are. This is

2091
02:02:31,240 --> 02:02:36,800
Speaker 1: what we are. Back to iconic Transgirl Halloween imagery we circled.

2092
02:02:37,320 --> 02:02:39,600
Speaker 1: There are no new moral panics. This is a fucking

2093
02:02:39,600 --> 02:02:43,240
Speaker 1: furry panic and like twelve thirty three, it's it's amazing,

2094
02:02:43,520 --> 02:02:48,440
Speaker 1: it's cat girls kill God. Yeah. Unfortunately, the product of

2095
02:02:48,480 --> 02:02:52,000
Speaker 1: this is that you know, like this, this, this, this,

2096
02:02:52,080 --> 02:02:54,240
Speaker 1: this space from here's it's off to the races, right,

2097
02:02:54,240 --> 02:02:56,680
Speaker 1: black hats have become associated with witchcraft and then sort

2098
02:02:56,680 --> 02:02:58,200
Speaker 1: of in general with bad luck, and you get this

2099
02:02:58,200 --> 02:03:00,920
Speaker 1: whole sort of like you know, crossing a black cat

2100
02:03:01,160 --> 02:03:03,440
Speaker 1: like bringing bad look and this is really sort of

2101
02:03:03,480 --> 02:03:08,480
Speaker 1: devastating real world effect on cats. Like there are mm

2102
02:03:08,600 --> 02:03:11,360
Speaker 1: hmm yeah, like I mean like like throughout your like

2103
02:03:11,440 --> 02:03:14,240
Speaker 1: from this point on, like periodically they're just mass killings

2104
02:03:14,240 --> 02:03:17,520
Speaker 1: of cats in Europe because like these people are fucking

2105
02:03:17,560 --> 02:03:21,280
Speaker 1: barbarians and savages who like should never have been allowed

2106
02:03:21,320 --> 02:03:24,400
Speaker 1: to like leave their stone huts. Um. When I was

2107
02:03:24,440 --> 02:03:28,080
Speaker 1: getting a while ago, when I was getting some childhood cats,

2108
02:03:28,120 --> 02:03:30,960
Speaker 1: we were talking to the cat Agency and we learned

2109
02:03:30,960 --> 02:03:34,960
Speaker 1: that they don't allow people to adopt to black cats

2110
02:03:35,040 --> 02:03:40,200
Speaker 1: during October because people either buy them as props and

2111
02:03:40,200 --> 02:03:42,040
Speaker 1: then like to get rid of them or just like

2112
02:03:42,080 --> 02:03:46,320
Speaker 1: abuse them. Um, it's it sucks. It's like an actual problem,

2113
02:03:47,040 --> 02:03:51,280
Speaker 1: and are we going to get to the Great Cat Massacre? No?

2114
02:03:51,520 --> 02:03:55,520
Speaker 1: What is the Great Cat Massacre? The sounds like that

2115
02:03:55,560 --> 02:03:58,480
Speaker 1: sounds like a sequel to that to that mouse Sherlock

2116
02:03:58,520 --> 02:04:06,520
Speaker 1: Holmes movie that Disney made. It's extremely dark version. Yeah.

2117
02:04:06,600 --> 02:04:09,160
Speaker 1: The Great Cat Maskers a book by Robert Danson. It's

2118
02:04:09,200 --> 02:04:11,960
Speaker 1: like a it's a very click. If you're doing a

2119
02:04:12,000 --> 02:04:14,880
Speaker 1: history graduate degree and you're reading like these sort of

2120
02:04:14,960 --> 02:04:18,920
Speaker 1: histories of everyday life or like histories of popular laughter,

2121
02:04:19,120 --> 02:04:22,640
Speaker 1: you will read The Great Cat Massacre and he details

2122
02:04:22,680 --> 02:04:26,520
Speaker 1: how like basically in France, I can't remember when, but

2123
02:04:27,000 --> 02:04:31,160
Speaker 1: these printers apprentices were like the apprentices lived with the

2124
02:04:31,160 --> 02:04:33,160
Speaker 1: printer right, and the prince's wife also had a bunch

2125
02:04:33,160 --> 02:04:35,680
Speaker 1: of cats, which he cared for much better than the apprentices.

2126
02:04:36,520 --> 02:04:41,720
Speaker 1: So they got mad and started doing cat murders. They

2127
02:04:41,760 --> 02:04:45,000
Speaker 1: put the cats on trial and convicted them of witchcraft.

2128
02:04:45,120 --> 02:04:51,760
Speaker 1: Wait wait, this was like a judicial murder. Yes, yeah,

2129
02:04:51,840 --> 02:04:54,880
Speaker 1: they sent it the cats to death by I think

2130
02:04:54,920 --> 02:04:58,040
Speaker 1: they hung them or something. Oh my god, did the

2131
02:04:58,160 --> 02:05:02,720
Speaker 1: cats have like a defense attorney? Like? What a witch? Well,

2132
02:05:02,760 --> 02:05:04,320
Speaker 1: you're sup, you're supposed to have an advocate at a

2133
02:05:04,320 --> 02:05:07,800
Speaker 1: witch cat trial so one would hope, but unfortunately. My

2134
02:05:07,880 --> 02:05:10,280
Speaker 1: guest though, is if you're probably gonna get another cat,

2135
02:05:10,680 --> 02:05:13,040
Speaker 1: which is like not a great defense attorney. No, they

2136
02:05:13,080 --> 02:05:15,520
Speaker 1: don't get a single fuck. I don't know they could.

2137
02:05:15,760 --> 02:05:17,880
Speaker 1: They could really funk up your face or something if

2138
02:05:17,880 --> 02:05:21,360
Speaker 1: they just you know, when close out. I don't know

2139
02:05:21,400 --> 02:05:23,240
Speaker 1: if the cats had a defense turned. It's an excellent

2140
02:05:23,320 --> 02:05:26,080
Speaker 1: question if someone's read it more recently than me. This

2141
02:05:26,360 --> 02:05:29,560
Speaker 1: is reminding me of that that great poster someone took

2142
02:05:29,600 --> 02:05:32,120
Speaker 1: from my vets office that was like fighting cats. It's like,

2143
02:05:32,200 --> 02:05:38,360
Speaker 1: don't fight fair or use drugs one. Yeah, yes, but

2144
02:05:38,440 --> 02:05:40,520
Speaker 1: you know, okay, my piece of advice to you is

2145
02:05:40,560 --> 02:05:43,080
Speaker 1: don't fight fair. Yeah during these drokes. Yeah, it's great,

2146
02:05:43,320 --> 02:05:46,400
Speaker 1: it's it's good. It's it's good general advice. And put

2147
02:05:46,440 --> 02:05:53,040
Speaker 1: him in your Halloween sweets. Yeah yeah, foreshadowing. Yeah. So,

2148
02:05:53,280 --> 02:05:56,240
Speaker 1: according to a study from the Journal Animals, black cats

2149
02:05:56,280 --> 02:05:58,760
Speaker 1: have the highest rate of usan eustn Asia and shelters

2150
02:05:58,760 --> 02:06:00,600
Speaker 1: and have lower rates of adoption, Like, have the lowest

2151
02:06:00,680 --> 02:06:02,400
Speaker 1: rate of adoption among all our colors, which is like

2152
02:06:02,440 --> 02:06:06,480
Speaker 1: extremely fucked up. And it's also like the number of

2153
02:06:06,520 --> 02:06:09,720
Speaker 1: cats that we euthanize every year is just so bleak.

2154
02:06:10,680 --> 02:06:15,840
Speaker 1: It's very sad. Yeah, so that funk the Catholic Church.

2155
02:06:16,040 --> 02:06:21,320
Speaker 1: This is their fault somehow, However, Comma for millions of

2156
02:06:21,360 --> 02:06:24,000
Speaker 1: people across space and time, the black cat has met

2157
02:06:24,040 --> 02:06:27,760
Speaker 1: something else entirely. This black cat, with its fur raised

2158
02:06:27,760 --> 02:06:29,720
Speaker 1: and back arched, is the bringer of the class war,

2159
02:06:29,840 --> 02:06:33,000
Speaker 1: the herald of the new world, and its name is sabotage.

2160
02:06:35,160 --> 02:06:40,440
Speaker 1: And okay, song about it. Yeah, and before, before before

2161
02:06:40,480 --> 02:06:42,600
Speaker 1: we get into how the Sabo tabby or the Sabo

2162
02:06:42,680 --> 02:06:44,800
Speaker 1: kitty became associated with sabotage, we have to talk about

2163
02:06:44,800 --> 02:06:47,280
Speaker 1: what sabotage actually is. And the reason we have to

2164
02:06:47,360 --> 02:06:50,720
Speaker 1: do this is because sabotage like does not mean the

2165
02:06:50,720 --> 02:06:53,120
Speaker 1: same thing now as it did when the term was coined.

2166
02:06:53,840 --> 02:06:55,960
Speaker 1: So if you look at sort of the modern definition

2167
02:06:56,120 --> 02:06:59,320
Speaker 1: of sabotage, it's it's almost entirely focused about the physical

2168
02:06:59,360 --> 02:07:02,320
Speaker 1: destructure of pretty like here's here's Mary Webster's definition. For example,

2169
02:07:02,720 --> 02:07:06,000
Speaker 1: destruction of employer's property such as tools or materials, or

2170
02:07:06,000 --> 02:07:10,120
Speaker 1: the hindering of manufacturing by discontented workers. To destruction or

2171
02:07:10,160 --> 02:07:12,920
Speaker 1: obstructive action carried on by a civilian or enemy agent

2172
02:07:12,960 --> 02:07:17,200
Speaker 1: to hinder and nation's war efforts. And okay, so part

2173
02:07:17,320 --> 02:07:19,280
Speaker 1: part of the reason why sabog why everyone thinks about

2174
02:07:19,320 --> 02:07:21,400
Speaker 1: sabotage is sort of like a physical act of destruction,

2175
02:07:21,640 --> 02:07:24,360
Speaker 1: has to do with the sort of folk etymology of

2176
02:07:24,880 --> 02:07:26,680
Speaker 1: you know where the word sabotage came from, which is

2177
02:07:26,680 --> 02:07:29,840
Speaker 1: supposedly dates back to these like early French workers throwing

2178
02:07:29,880 --> 02:07:33,480
Speaker 1: these wooden shoes called sabots it's like machines to break them.

2179
02:07:33,520 --> 02:07:37,520
Speaker 1: And the problem is that this sort of just isn't true. Um,

2180
02:07:37,560 --> 02:07:41,240
Speaker 1: like the there there's no direct evidence that anyone sabotaged

2181
02:07:41,400 --> 02:07:43,480
Speaker 1: machines by throwing your shoes into them, which seems like

2182
02:07:43,480 --> 02:07:45,800
Speaker 1: a kind of a kind of inefficient way to grab

2183
02:07:45,840 --> 02:07:48,080
Speaker 1: a stick, right like you you need your shoes to

2184
02:07:48,120 --> 02:07:53,200
Speaker 1: walk on. And the other thing is that people who

2185
02:07:53,240 --> 02:07:56,080
Speaker 1: put cats on trial, they weren't always thinking in straight lines.

2186
02:07:56,720 --> 02:07:58,919
Speaker 1: That's true that well, at least this is the eighteen hundreds,

2187
02:07:59,040 --> 02:08:02,680
Speaker 1: so who hopefully we're slightly past the cat trials. But

2188
02:08:03,160 --> 02:08:06,520
Speaker 1: what's interesting about this is do you ever think about this, Okay, Like,

2189
02:08:06,600 --> 02:08:09,560
Speaker 1: sabotage is a French word, right that the French shoot

2190
02:08:09,600 --> 02:08:12,000
Speaker 1: the word for the shoe is sabot like it doesn't

2191
02:08:12,200 --> 02:08:15,720
Speaker 1: start up until like the late eighteen hundreds. It literally

2192
02:08:15,720 --> 02:08:18,000
Speaker 1: just means someone who like it means to make a

2193
02:08:18,040 --> 02:08:23,680
Speaker 1: wooden shoe, Okay, but it turns out it's actually it's

2194
02:08:23,680 --> 02:08:26,720
Speaker 1: actual orision is more interesting. This um. The term sabotage,

2195
02:08:26,960 --> 02:08:30,240
Speaker 1: as you know, like the sort of like worker action,

2196
02:08:30,320 --> 02:08:34,440
Speaker 1: was invented by the French anarchist of Meal Pigot. I

2197
02:08:34,440 --> 02:08:36,680
Speaker 1: don't it's po u g. I don't know how to produce.

2198
02:08:36,720 --> 02:08:43,440
Speaker 1: That doesn't matter, pochet I, I don't know, sure, okay, okay,

2199
02:08:43,480 --> 02:08:46,960
Speaker 1: I slightly I feel slightly bad because he's one of

2200
02:08:46,960 --> 02:08:53,040
Speaker 1: the few good frenchmen him and sent him and Fuco

2201
02:08:53,160 --> 02:08:59,760
Speaker 1: the only philology. So Pago is like he's just like

2202
02:08:59,920 --> 02:09:04,080
Speaker 1: the up. This guy is extremely French. Yeah, but he's

2203
02:09:04,080 --> 02:09:06,480
Speaker 1: also he is he is in the he's in the

2204
02:09:06,520 --> 02:09:08,720
Speaker 1: period of French cool, which is to say he is

2205
02:09:09,440 --> 02:09:12,120
Speaker 1: um he he he is an he's an anarchist, he

2206
02:09:12,200 --> 02:09:15,200
Speaker 1: is a cynicalist. He is doing all of the ship

2207
02:09:15,880 --> 02:09:20,280
Speaker 1: um and he like he invents. The term sabotage is

2208
02:09:20,320 --> 02:09:22,520
Speaker 1: part of this report to the c G T. S

2209
02:09:23,200 --> 02:09:27,560
Speaker 1: I eight seventy nine conference in some cities name I

2210
02:09:27,560 --> 02:09:29,680
Speaker 1: can't remember, so the c g T S is a

2211
02:09:29,720 --> 02:09:31,560
Speaker 1: really weird unions. It means c g T means like

2212
02:09:31,680 --> 02:09:35,760
Speaker 1: the General Confederation of Labor of Workers basically. Um. Actually,

2213
02:09:35,800 --> 02:09:39,040
Speaker 1: it's really funny because because because of how similar like French,

2214
02:09:39,120 --> 02:09:43,440
Speaker 1: Spanish and Portuguese are, there were like sixteen thousand unions

2215
02:09:43,480 --> 02:09:46,360
Speaker 1: across like twelve countries that are named the CGT. It's

2216
02:09:46,400 --> 02:09:48,640
Speaker 1: it's it's it's they're all either the CGT or the

2217
02:09:48,720 --> 02:09:55,360
Speaker 1: u g C because they're all just like confeder something. Yeah,

2218
02:09:55,560 --> 02:09:57,560
Speaker 1: so the French c GT is like a very very

2219
02:09:57,640 --> 02:09:59,880
Speaker 1: weird union. They're they're they're like they're the only union

2220
02:09:59,880 --> 02:10:01,720
Speaker 1: of ever seen that has at various points been an

2221
02:10:01,760 --> 02:10:03,840
Speaker 1: anarchist union, of communist union, a liberal union, and a

2222
02:10:03,880 --> 02:10:06,960
Speaker 1: social democratic union. And it also like the thing they're

2223
02:10:06,960 --> 02:10:08,800
Speaker 1: famous for sort of now is the fact that they

2224
02:10:08,800 --> 02:10:11,360
Speaker 1: sat out like every revolution that's ever happened in France.

2225
02:10:11,760 --> 02:10:14,880
Speaker 1: Like they're they're they're probably most famous for like telling

2226
02:10:14,920 --> 02:10:17,600
Speaker 1: people to like basically signing a pact with the government

2227
02:10:17,600 --> 02:10:19,080
Speaker 1: and trying to get people like to go back to

2228
02:10:19,120 --> 02:10:23,440
Speaker 1: work when sixty eight was happening, and you know, and

2229
02:10:23,440 --> 02:10:25,480
Speaker 1: the the usially about like the c g T, the

2230
02:10:25,480 --> 02:10:27,640
Speaker 1: CTC is still around today. They have like seven hundred

2231
02:10:27,680 --> 02:10:30,960
Speaker 1: thousand members or something like. They're the second largest union

2232
02:10:30,960 --> 02:10:35,160
Speaker 1: in France. And I don't know, it's interesting. So they'll

2233
02:10:35,200 --> 02:10:38,480
Speaker 1: go on strike for like pension stuff, but they won't

2234
02:10:38,480 --> 02:10:41,160
Speaker 1: go on strike to like abolish the class system and

2235
02:10:41,200 --> 02:10:42,360
Speaker 1: sort of how I put it. But in the late

2236
02:10:42,400 --> 02:10:44,480
Speaker 1: eighteen hundred, early in eighteen hundreds they are a very

2237
02:10:44,560 --> 02:10:49,560
Speaker 1: very radical cynicalist union. And Emil Pigou, who again like

2238
02:10:49,560 --> 02:10:56,600
Speaker 1: like anarchist par excellence, is like their vice secretary, so

2239
02:10:57,000 --> 02:10:59,520
Speaker 1: to go, like invents the investorer. Sabotage is a way

2240
02:10:59,520 --> 02:11:04,000
Speaker 1: of trans eating basically the Scottish term that I okay,

2241
02:11:04,400 --> 02:11:07,840
Speaker 1: I apologize for my Scottish pronunciation. I don't I genuinely

2242
02:11:07,880 --> 02:11:11,760
Speaker 1: don't really have any problems with Scottish people. I think

2243
02:11:11,800 --> 02:11:15,600
Speaker 1: the term is go connie basically, which means go slow

2244
02:11:16,400 --> 02:11:20,520
Speaker 1: um shirts to go. From his pamphlet sabotage, that's um

2245
02:11:20,680 --> 02:11:22,520
Speaker 1: like his explanation of like what's going on here that

2246
02:11:22,560 --> 02:11:24,720
Speaker 1: the first part of it seem quoting a British pamphlet.

2247
02:11:25,200 --> 02:11:30,520
Speaker 1: That's about what Docatti is. If you want to buy

2248
02:11:30,560 --> 02:11:33,080
Speaker 1: a hat worth two dollars, you must pay two dollars.

2249
02:11:34,480 --> 02:11:36,240
Speaker 1: If you want to spend only a dollar fifty, you

2250
02:11:36,320 --> 02:11:39,360
Speaker 1: must be satisfied with an inferior quality. A hat is

2251
02:11:39,360 --> 02:11:41,920
Speaker 1: a commodity. If you want to buy a dozen of

2252
02:11:42,560 --> 02:11:44,560
Speaker 1: why is it a dozen of shirts? Okay, I don't know.

2253
02:11:46,440 --> 02:11:48,920
Speaker 1: People wrote weird in the early night entwids. If you

2254
02:11:48,920 --> 02:11:52,000
Speaker 1: want to buy half a dozen shirts at fifty cents each,

2255
02:11:52,040 --> 02:11:54,640
Speaker 1: you must pay three dollars. If you only spend two

2256
02:11:54,680 --> 02:11:57,560
Speaker 1: dollars and fifty cents, you can only have five shirts. Now,

2257
02:11:57,600 --> 02:12:00,560
Speaker 1: the boss declares that labor and ski will or nothing

2258
02:12:00,560 --> 02:12:03,560
Speaker 1: but commodities like hats and shirts. Very well, we answer,

2259
02:12:03,600 --> 02:12:06,280
Speaker 1: we'll take you at your word. If labor and skill

2260
02:12:06,320 --> 02:12:08,640
Speaker 1: are commodities, their owners have the right to sell them.

2261
02:12:08,680 --> 02:12:12,400
Speaker 1: Like the hat seller sells hats and the habitasher sells shirts.

2262
02:12:13,000 --> 02:12:15,480
Speaker 1: These merchants must give a certain value in exchange for

2263
02:12:15,520 --> 02:12:18,440
Speaker 1: an equivalent value. For lower price, you will have an

2264
02:12:18,520 --> 02:12:21,640
Speaker 1: article if either lower quality or smaller quantity. Give the

2265
02:12:21,640 --> 02:12:23,800
Speaker 1: worker of fair, fair wage, and he will furnish you

2266
02:12:23,880 --> 02:12:26,080
Speaker 1: with his best labor at its highest skill. On the

2267
02:12:26,080 --> 02:12:28,160
Speaker 1: other hand, give the work an insufficient wage, and you

2268
02:12:28,200 --> 02:12:30,400
Speaker 1: forfeit the right to demand the best and most of

2269
02:12:30,440 --> 02:12:32,600
Speaker 1: his labor anymore of when you can demand a two

2270
02:12:32,640 --> 02:12:35,760
Speaker 1: dollar half for one dollar. The gokani consists then and

2271
02:12:35,840 --> 02:12:42,560
Speaker 1: systematically applying the formula bad wages, bad labor. So yeah,

2272
02:12:42,600 --> 02:12:45,920
Speaker 1: but basically what this is like, it's it's gocani is like,

2273
02:12:45,920 --> 02:12:49,000
Speaker 1: it's it's it's a kind of strike where it's it's

2274
02:12:49,040 --> 02:12:50,720
Speaker 1: kind of like it's kind of like a slowdown or

2275
02:12:50,920 --> 02:12:52,640
Speaker 1: there's another kind of striker's name I forgetting right now

2276
02:12:52,680 --> 02:12:55,200
Speaker 1: where it's like you you you you like exactly follow

2277
02:12:55,280 --> 02:12:57,920
Speaker 1: the rules, work to rule. Yeah, yeah, that's it's it's

2278
02:12:57,960 --> 02:12:59,760
Speaker 1: kind of like a work to rule strike. It's basically like, okay,

2279
02:12:59,760 --> 02:13:01,760
Speaker 1: so you're up being paid enough, so you just intentionally

2280
02:13:01,800 --> 02:13:07,080
Speaker 1: work really shittily and just keep working slowly and badly

2281
02:13:07,120 --> 02:13:10,080
Speaker 1: until boss is paying you more. And so this has

2282
02:13:10,120 --> 02:13:13,040
Speaker 1: been a big thing in in Britain and to Go

2283
02:13:13,480 --> 02:13:16,720
Speaker 1: like sees this and he writes basically like a paper

2284
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Speaker 1: like recommending that the CGT starts using this as a tactic.

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02:13:19,800 --> 02:13:22,160
Speaker 1: But sure he's trying to find a French word for it,

2286
02:13:22,240 --> 02:13:23,840
Speaker 1: and he's like, I don't know how to translate this,

2287
02:13:24,600 --> 02:13:27,600
Speaker 1: and so what he thinks of there's this sort of like, well, okay,

2288
02:13:27,600 --> 02:13:30,080
Speaker 1: so here's where it gets messy, because it's like there's

2289
02:13:30,080 --> 02:13:32,480
Speaker 1: like a couple of versions of the story. One version

2290
02:13:32,480 --> 02:13:34,400
Speaker 1: of it is like work as if you're being like

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02:13:34,480 --> 02:13:40,640
Speaker 1: hit with a wooden shoe. So I wake up every

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02:13:40,720 --> 02:13:44,760
Speaker 1: morning and turn on my podcasting Mike and a clog

2293
02:13:44,960 --> 02:13:49,680
Speaker 1: just flies in through my window and smacks. That's why, Sophie,

2294
02:13:49,880 --> 02:13:55,640
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, there's there's these there's these slinger shots to

2295
02:13:55,680 --> 02:13:58,720
Speaker 1: set up outside of my windows that launched these clogs

2296
02:13:58,800 --> 02:14:01,440
Speaker 1: right at my face every more lariously, hilariously, we are

2297
02:14:01,480 --> 02:14:08,520
Speaker 1: going to come back to slingshots in So there's this

2298
02:14:08,560 --> 02:14:10,880
Speaker 1: thing in France, like so people people with wooden shoes

2299
02:14:10,920 --> 02:14:13,840
Speaker 1: basically generally are like peasants right there, people from burrel areas,

2300
02:14:13,840 --> 02:14:15,840
Speaker 1: And there's this whole sort of stereotype in France that

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02:14:16,120 --> 02:14:19,480
Speaker 1: like in this period and like the like there's like

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02:14:19,520 --> 02:14:22,320
Speaker 1: these people with their wooden shoes and they're like peasants

2303
02:14:22,320 --> 02:14:24,720
Speaker 1: and they're like ignorant and they're bad at working and

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02:14:24,800 --> 02:14:28,200
Speaker 1: like and so basically what Pago is the other thing

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02:14:28,200 --> 02:14:29,840
Speaker 1: that the other theory of what's happening here iss he's

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02:14:29,880 --> 02:14:32,040
Speaker 1: doing he's like reversing this thing right, he's like, well, okay,

2307
02:14:32,080 --> 02:14:34,920
Speaker 1: here's this, here's this like stereotype, like workers working badly.

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02:14:35,640 --> 02:14:37,280
Speaker 1: And he's like, okay, no, what what if we did

2309
02:14:37,280 --> 02:14:42,000
Speaker 1: this on purpose? Like what if we were intentionally just lazy?

2310
02:14:42,640 --> 02:14:45,480
Speaker 1: And it's important to note that, like and Pago does

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02:14:45,520 --> 02:14:47,640
Speaker 1: this and it's writing that, like so he invents the

2312
02:14:47,680 --> 02:14:49,760
Speaker 1: word sabotage, but like he sure it's hell, didn't invent

2313
02:14:49,840 --> 02:14:53,240
Speaker 1: the content have sabotage here here, here's from the pamphlet

2314
02:14:53,320 --> 02:14:57,000
Speaker 1: Sabotage again. Sabotage the former revolt is as old as

2315
02:14:57,080 --> 02:15:00,720
Speaker 1: human exploitation, since the day man had the no ability

2316
02:15:00,800 --> 02:15:03,720
Speaker 1: to profit by another man's labor, Since that very same

2317
02:15:03,800 --> 02:15:07,040
Speaker 1: day the exploited, the exploited toiler has instinctively tried to

2318
02:15:07,040 --> 02:15:09,960
Speaker 1: give his master lesson what was demanded from him. In

2319
02:15:10,000 --> 02:15:13,680
Speaker 1: this way, the worker was unconsciously doing sabotage, demonstrating in

2320
02:15:13,720 --> 02:15:17,080
Speaker 1: an indirect way the irrepressible antagonism that raised capital and

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02:15:17,160 --> 02:15:20,720
Speaker 1: labor against one another. Okay, I'm I have to I

2322
02:15:20,800 --> 02:15:25,560
Speaker 1: have to do a call out post on poor poor,

2323
02:15:25,680 --> 02:15:29,840
Speaker 1: get poor gy whatever. Um. That was very sexist, he said,

2324
02:15:29,880 --> 02:15:34,600
Speaker 1: every man. That's true, that's not women should also be

2325
02:15:34,680 --> 02:15:37,520
Speaker 1: forced to work um non buying. Their people should be

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02:15:37,520 --> 02:15:40,760
Speaker 1: forced to work um eight hours a day, hopefully more so,

2327
02:15:40,960 --> 02:15:43,040
Speaker 1: the fact that he's just making men work is a

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02:15:43,040 --> 02:15:48,760
Speaker 1: little sexist Garrison doing a Hillary Clinton there, doing a

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02:15:48,760 --> 02:15:56,040
Speaker 1: Glenn Greenwall there. That's right. You have to see it, ah, weirdly,

2330
02:15:56,240 --> 02:15:59,919
Speaker 1: weirdly in terms of in terms of canceling of Frenchman

2331
02:16:00,160 --> 02:16:04,280
Speaker 1: a French dude for sexism, like pretty mild, not gonna

2332
02:16:04,360 --> 02:16:09,400
Speaker 1: lie at least problematic frenchman, don't. He probably did do

2333
02:16:09,440 --> 02:16:11,120
Speaker 1: something horrible. I just didn't see it when I was

2334
02:16:11,160 --> 02:16:14,480
Speaker 1: reading about it. But you know, such as such as

2335
02:16:14,560 --> 02:16:17,920
Speaker 1: the the guy he invents sabotage. Um, so okay, so

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02:16:17,920 --> 02:16:20,400
Speaker 1: we have sabotage as like you know, and this is

2337
02:16:20,400 --> 02:16:22,440
Speaker 1: an interesting about this, right when when when Pigot was

2338
02:16:22,480 --> 02:16:26,240
Speaker 1: first like defining the word, right, like he literally is

2339
02:16:26,280 --> 02:16:31,920
Speaker 1: just talking about like labor slowdowns, right, and you know,

2340
02:16:32,280 --> 02:16:37,160
Speaker 1: very quickly sabotage comes to mean other things. And here's yeah,

2341
02:16:37,160 --> 02:16:39,640
Speaker 1: so so here here's again from this same Pamply he's

2342
02:16:39,720 --> 02:16:43,680
Speaker 1: quoting the secretary of a railway union who's like on

2343
02:16:43,760 --> 02:16:45,440
Speaker 1: strike for the right to unionize. And this this is

2344
02:16:45,440 --> 02:16:50,000
Speaker 1: what the railway union secretary guys says with two cents

2345
02:16:50,000 --> 02:16:53,680
Speaker 1: worth of a certain ingredient, union utilized in a peculiar way.

2346
02:16:53,720 --> 02:16:56,480
Speaker 1: He declared, it will be easy for the railwayman to

2347
02:16:56,480 --> 02:16:58,800
Speaker 1: put the locomotive and such conditions as to make it

2348
02:16:59,160 --> 02:17:05,480
Speaker 1: impossible to run them, which fucking absolutely absolutely based eighteen

2349
02:17:05,520 --> 02:17:11,120
Speaker 1: seventies French from road union secretary. Ah, it's great stuff.

2350
02:17:11,160 --> 02:17:13,760
Speaker 1: It's actually funny because like she's she's just like out there,

2351
02:17:13,800 --> 02:17:17,680
Speaker 1: just like saying this, and like every modern union has

2352
02:17:17,720 --> 02:17:21,000
Speaker 1: like a giant disclaimer in their things, saying like we

2353
02:17:21,040 --> 02:17:26,880
Speaker 1: do not endorse the destruction of machines. Like yeah, the

2354
02:17:26,959 --> 02:17:29,480
Speaker 1: fucking based French guys like no, no, no, no no,

2355
02:17:29,680 --> 02:17:32,920
Speaker 1: Like we we are actively threatening you to destroy like

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02:17:33,000 --> 02:17:35,400
Speaker 1: every locomotive in France if you do not let us

2357
02:17:35,440 --> 02:17:38,520
Speaker 1: form this union. This is why, this is why my

2358
02:17:38,720 --> 02:17:41,640
Speaker 1: organizing with the I Heart Union is solely based on

2359
02:17:41,720 --> 02:17:44,760
Speaker 1: us planning future terrorist attacks. Yeah, we don't. If we

2360
02:17:44,800 --> 02:17:48,080
Speaker 1: don't get our way, the Hollywood sign will never never

2361
02:17:48,120 --> 02:17:52,960
Speaker 1: be the same again. I've already pulled sugar into the

2362
02:17:53,080 --> 02:17:55,720
Speaker 1: I guest time of my podcast recorded, correct, that's gonna

2363
02:17:55,840 --> 02:18:03,400
Speaker 1: work out for it. Unfortunately, the gas tank of the

2364
02:18:03,440 --> 02:18:07,680
Speaker 1: podcast is like my stomach. So we're kind of it's

2365
02:18:07,800 --> 02:18:09,920
Speaker 1: it's it's just as a fact of it is actually

2366
02:18:10,040 --> 02:18:12,879
Speaker 1: pouring sugar into things. Yeah, why, I'm hiding under your

2367
02:18:12,879 --> 02:18:17,360
Speaker 1: bed with a funnel right now. Some sugar. On the

2368
02:18:17,440 --> 02:18:19,520
Speaker 1: other hand, Garrison, do you know what else will put

2369
02:18:19,520 --> 02:18:21,960
Speaker 1: locomotives in such a condition that will make it impossible

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02:18:22,000 --> 02:18:27,720
Speaker 1: for them to run? Uh? The is this an ad

2371
02:18:27,720 --> 02:18:35,840
Speaker 1: break the products and services that support this podcast? Yeah,

2372
02:18:36,160 --> 02:18:38,879
Speaker 1: the fucking the rail companies are making the trains not

2373
02:18:38,920 --> 02:18:41,119
Speaker 1: be able to work. The trains are too long. They

2374
02:18:41,120 --> 02:18:46,920
Speaker 1: are too long. Okay, dynamite. The answer is dynamite, and

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02:18:46,959 --> 02:18:50,760
Speaker 1: we're back. Okay. So from here, the definition of sabotage

2376
02:18:50,760 --> 02:18:54,400
Speaker 1: starts to sort of expands um very rapidly. Here here

2377
02:18:54,440 --> 02:18:57,800
Speaker 1: some the I w w in about what sabotage is.

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02:19:00,320 --> 02:19:05,000
Speaker 1: I'm so curious sabotages is. Sabotage is a destruction of

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02:19:05,040 --> 02:19:08,920
Speaker 1: profits to gain a definite revolutionary economic end. It has

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02:19:09,000 --> 02:19:11,959
Speaker 1: many forms. It may mean damaging the raw materials is

2381
02:19:12,000 --> 02:19:15,320
Speaker 1: that destined for a scab factory or shop. It may

2382
02:19:15,360 --> 02:19:18,640
Speaker 1: mean spoiling. It may mean the spoiling of a finished product.

2383
02:19:19,120 --> 02:19:21,760
Speaker 1: It may mean the displacement of parts of machinery or

2384
02:19:21,760 --> 02:19:25,280
Speaker 1: the disarrangement of a whole machine where that machine is

2385
02:19:25,400 --> 02:19:28,199
Speaker 1: the one upon which other machines are dependent. From material,

2386
02:19:28,520 --> 02:19:31,240
Speaker 1: it may mean working slow, it may mean poor work.

2387
02:19:31,959 --> 02:19:37,080
Speaker 1: It may mean missending packages, giving overweight to consumers, pointing

2388
02:19:37,080 --> 02:19:40,039
Speaker 1: out defects and goods using the best material where the

2389
02:19:40,080 --> 02:19:45,000
Speaker 1: employer desires a alteration, and also the telling of trade secrets.

2390
02:19:45,520 --> 02:19:47,840
Speaker 1: In fact, it has as many variations as there are

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02:19:47,959 --> 02:19:51,480
Speaker 1: lines of work. This is this is so fascinating because

2392
02:19:51,480 --> 02:19:55,240
Speaker 1: sabotage definitely now is way more associated with like Earth first,

2393
02:19:55,280 --> 02:19:59,400
Speaker 1: like the left tactics, and this is like very labor focus,

2394
02:19:59,480 --> 02:20:02,920
Speaker 1: like that much hodges done by the people who are

2395
02:20:03,000 --> 02:20:07,000
Speaker 1: working at the factory or place of production on the

2396
02:20:07,000 --> 02:20:09,720
Speaker 1: products that they're working on. It's it's that that is

2397
02:20:10,160 --> 02:20:13,240
Speaker 1: extremely fascinating. Yeah, And I think there's another thing too, right,

2398
02:20:13,240 --> 02:20:15,920
Speaker 1: because like there is the sort of physical aspect of it.

2399
02:20:15,959 --> 02:20:19,000
Speaker 1: But again, like this was created as like like as

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02:20:19,040 --> 02:20:21,160
Speaker 1: a term of sort of like like anarchy, like specifically

2401
02:20:21,240 --> 02:20:23,720
Speaker 1: like syndical its political struggle, right, Yeah, and as that

2402
02:20:23,840 --> 02:20:25,600
Speaker 1: term like it's a lot of what they're talking about

2403
02:20:25,600 --> 02:20:27,840
Speaker 1: when people think about sabotage is just like strikes and

2404
02:20:27,920 --> 02:20:31,400
Speaker 1: like labor slowdowns, and that that part of the connotation

2405
02:20:31,440 --> 02:20:34,840
Speaker 1: of sabotage has just like completely faded and to get

2406
02:20:34,840 --> 02:20:38,240
Speaker 1: into sort of like how that happens. It's and it's

2407
02:20:38,280 --> 02:20:42,280
Speaker 1: so based on addressing actual material changes as opposed to

2408
02:20:42,320 --> 02:20:45,959
Speaker 1: like a lot of sabotage now is almost like performative,

2409
02:20:46,080 --> 02:20:48,680
Speaker 1: like even like even like the left type stuff. It does.

2410
02:20:48,800 --> 02:20:51,440
Speaker 1: It does get a thing done, like yes, this thing

2411
02:20:51,440 --> 02:20:53,320
Speaker 1: did burn down, but they're gonna build another one. It's

2412
02:20:53,360 --> 02:20:55,920
Speaker 1: it's all. It's obviously it's it's for kind of like

2413
02:20:56,040 --> 02:20:59,040
Speaker 1: spectacles built into what the actual goal is and for

2414
02:20:59,120 --> 02:21:02,280
Speaker 1: this kind of stuff, it's actually it's about like it's

2415
02:21:02,280 --> 02:21:06,560
Speaker 1: more like improving labor conditions. It is. It's basically and

2416
02:21:06,600 --> 02:21:07,959
Speaker 1: like there's a lot of this that is this that

2417
02:21:08,040 --> 02:21:10,520
Speaker 1: is specifically designed not to be like very notable, Like

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02:21:10,560 --> 02:21:13,080
Speaker 1: I mean there's there's a very common thing. Yet strikes

2419
02:21:13,120 --> 02:21:14,560
Speaker 1: like in the US, even even like sort of like

2420
02:21:14,600 --> 02:21:17,520
Speaker 1: conservative truck restrikes will do this thing where like okay,

2421
02:21:17,560 --> 02:21:19,640
Speaker 1: so the truckers will go on strike and then they'll

2422
02:21:19,720 --> 02:21:22,720
Speaker 1: hang like they basically like hang like fragments of metal

2423
02:21:22,760 --> 02:21:25,200
Speaker 1: and shipped from like the top of overpasses so that

2424
02:21:25,240 --> 02:21:27,000
Speaker 1: if you drive another truck under it or like funk

2425
02:21:27,040 --> 02:21:29,360
Speaker 1: up the top of the truck, and that's like that's

2426
02:21:29,400 --> 02:21:31,519
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. Isn't like it's not designed it specifically

2427
02:21:31,520 --> 02:21:33,280
Speaker 1: not designed to be public, right, It's designed to be

2428
02:21:33,320 --> 02:21:36,240
Speaker 1: something that like okay, like it's it's, it's, it's it's

2429
02:21:36,280 --> 02:21:40,000
Speaker 1: it's it's about like directly materially hurting the bosses over

2430
02:21:40,040 --> 02:21:42,400
Speaker 1: like a long period of time, not just like ones

2431
02:21:42,640 --> 02:21:45,440
Speaker 1: like single action. You do it and you run away

2432
02:21:45,480 --> 02:21:48,120
Speaker 1: and hope and hope to never be caught. It's like, no,

2433
02:21:48,240 --> 02:21:51,680
Speaker 1: it's gonna work slowly for two years and it costs

2434
02:21:51,720 --> 02:21:54,680
Speaker 1: my boss like thousands of dollars in process. I mean

2435
02:21:54,879 --> 02:21:59,360
Speaker 1: there there, there's some there's something like okay, so I

2436
02:21:59,520 --> 02:22:01,480
Speaker 1: I guess but here So I've been I've been doing

2437
02:22:02,040 --> 02:22:04,039
Speaker 1: some episodes. Next week we're going to be about Lula,

2438
02:22:04,080 --> 02:22:07,080
Speaker 1: who's like the sort of like great uh like originally

2439
02:22:07,160 --> 02:22:13,199
Speaker 1: labor leader and turns sort of like am I blanking

2440
02:22:13,200 --> 02:22:16,120
Speaker 1: on the name of a friend of the people of Haiti. Yeah,

2441
02:22:16,320 --> 02:22:18,880
Speaker 1: we're going to get to that. That's what he tended into.

2442
02:22:19,000 --> 02:22:22,400
Speaker 1: That's nothing else. Yeah, yeah, but he he's a former

2443
02:22:22,440 --> 02:22:25,520
Speaker 1: president of Brazil maybe be the next president of Brazil. Also,

2444
02:22:26,440 --> 02:22:30,440
Speaker 1: you know, he has this interesting sort of like she

2445
02:22:30,560 --> 02:22:32,920
Speaker 1: doesn't want of labor organizing under the military rettatorship. And

2446
02:22:32,959 --> 02:22:35,400
Speaker 1: he has this really interesting lot because during the military

2447
02:22:35,480 --> 02:22:37,039
Speaker 1: kadership and Brasil, there's a bunch of these sort of

2448
02:22:37,080 --> 02:22:41,480
Speaker 1: like like underground leftist parta military groups and like like

2449
02:22:41,560 --> 02:22:44,400
Speaker 1: his brother gets like arrested by the military and tortured horribly,

2450
02:22:45,000 --> 02:22:48,199
Speaker 1: and he has this really interesting line about that talking

2451
02:22:48,200 --> 02:22:52,160
Speaker 1: about these contestine groups, which is like, okay, like if

2452
02:22:52,560 --> 02:22:55,039
Speaker 1: like if you guys had like talked to like the

2453
02:22:55,120 --> 02:22:58,280
Speaker 1: two thousand people who work in this factory instead of

2454
02:22:58,280 --> 02:23:00,280
Speaker 1: doing this completely condestinely and not even telling your own

2455
02:23:00,320 --> 02:23:02,520
Speaker 1: family that you're a communist, Like maybe if you talk

2456
02:23:02,600 --> 02:23:04,400
Speaker 1: to people like they couldn't have grabbed you off the

2457
02:23:04,440 --> 02:23:07,760
Speaker 1: street and just like arrest like it's like disappeared you

2458
02:23:07,760 --> 02:23:10,200
Speaker 1: overnight because there would have been people there and and that,

2459
02:23:10,320 --> 02:23:12,840
Speaker 1: and that's that's the thing, Like that all of this stuff,

2460
02:23:12,879 --> 02:23:16,560
Speaker 1: like this kind of sabotage relies on like you and

2461
02:23:16,640 --> 02:23:19,640
Speaker 1: like everyone else around you also doing the thing, and

2462
02:23:19,720 --> 02:23:21,680
Speaker 1: that makes it harder to crack down on because you

2463
02:23:21,760 --> 02:23:23,640
Speaker 1: just you you know, you sort you have critical mass

2464
02:23:24,320 --> 02:23:26,360
Speaker 1: and yeah, and that's something I think is is very

2465
02:23:26,400 --> 02:23:28,720
Speaker 1: different from sort of modern sabotage, which is yeah, based

2466
02:23:28,760 --> 02:23:31,560
Speaker 1: on these sort of like either either like okay, we're

2467
02:23:31,560 --> 02:23:33,879
Speaker 1: doing this and we're gonna get rested, or it's like

2468
02:23:35,360 --> 02:23:38,240
Speaker 1: here is like a secret cell in like the woods

2469
02:23:38,280 --> 02:23:42,520
Speaker 1: in Oregon and no none other people and other people

2470
02:23:42,520 --> 02:23:44,280
Speaker 1: in this group will ever see each other again after

2471
02:23:44,320 --> 02:23:47,560
Speaker 1: they like spike this tree. I wonder if it has

2472
02:23:47,600 --> 02:23:49,640
Speaker 1: its roots and like, um, I don't know when these

2473
02:23:49,680 --> 02:23:53,000
Speaker 1: like some of people in front existed. But like in

2474
02:23:53,040 --> 02:23:55,959
Speaker 1: Britain we have the Luddites at around a similar time,

2475
02:23:56,000 --> 02:23:57,600
Speaker 1: who has sometimes seen as one of the air reach

2476
02:23:57,640 --> 02:24:00,720
Speaker 1: you know, like trade unions, right, who would sure break

2477
02:24:00,920 --> 02:24:05,720
Speaker 1: break boilers and the industrial revolution. Yeah, yeah, Britain still

2478
02:24:05,760 --> 02:24:09,800
Speaker 1: incidentally makes it a capital crime to destroy a boiler

2479
02:24:10,320 --> 02:24:14,760
Speaker 1: or like a break. Well, it's a way of break

2480
02:24:14,800 --> 02:24:17,440
Speaker 1: because what the like the ned Blood is just like

2481
02:24:17,520 --> 02:24:20,800
Speaker 1: fictional leader of the Luodites, right, like this giant general

2482
02:24:20,840 --> 02:24:22,560
Speaker 1: who's supposed to come and they were like, oh it's

2483
02:24:22,600 --> 02:24:24,080
Speaker 1: ned Blood, mate, and I don't think about it what

2484
02:24:24,120 --> 02:24:28,480
Speaker 1: you're talking about. They like they made it a capital

2485
02:24:28,520 --> 02:24:31,680
Speaker 1: trying to try, but to try and break up specifically

2486
02:24:31,879 --> 02:24:35,080
Speaker 1: that right to what like Chris is talking about, like

2487
02:24:35,080 --> 02:24:38,080
Speaker 1: like it's obviously like personifying the forces of labor as

2488
02:24:38,200 --> 02:24:41,520
Speaker 1: as a giant general is not something that continued throughout

2489
02:24:41,520 --> 02:24:45,279
Speaker 1: space and time, but that solidarity where where like someone

2490
02:24:45,320 --> 02:24:47,879
Speaker 1: in the factory fucked up the boiler, everyone in the

2491
02:24:47,879 --> 02:24:50,200
Speaker 1: factory has something to gain from sucking up the boiler.

2492
02:24:50,280 --> 02:24:52,199
Speaker 1: So as long as we don't tell anyone, the boiler

2493
02:24:52,200 --> 02:24:56,240
Speaker 1: stays sucked up. Yeah. And interesting, like actually like specifically

2494
02:24:56,240 --> 02:24:58,640
Speaker 1: writes about what he's writing abo stuff, the stuff and

2495
02:24:58,879 --> 02:25:02,280
Speaker 1: the like the eight thirties, but like he specifically writes

2496
02:25:02,320 --> 02:25:04,520
Speaker 1: about like the little thing that that that kind of

2497
02:25:04,600 --> 02:25:06,520
Speaker 1: labor struggle in Britain is like one of the one

2498
02:25:06,520 --> 02:25:11,760
Speaker 1: of the sort of like forebearers. Yeah, yeah, a thing

2499
02:25:11,760 --> 02:25:13,840
Speaker 1: on them. Yeah. But so this stuff is sort of

2500
02:25:13,879 --> 02:25:16,199
Speaker 1: like yeah, a lot a lot of this stuff is people.

2501
02:25:16,240 --> 02:25:18,160
Speaker 1: Is people in the age like the eight nineties and

2502
02:25:18,160 --> 02:25:22,199
Speaker 1: like hunters like looking back on those groups and Okay,

2503
02:25:22,200 --> 02:25:24,240
Speaker 1: so I want to sort of pivot a little bit,

2504
02:25:24,240 --> 02:25:27,800
Speaker 1: which is because so we've mentioned the iww UM and

2505
02:25:27,920 --> 02:25:31,240
Speaker 1: the iww are the people who are basically like responsible

2506
02:25:31,400 --> 02:25:36,680
Speaker 1: for associating sabotage with the black cat. And it's sort

2507
02:25:36,680 --> 02:25:40,520
Speaker 1: of unclear how this happens. Um here's how the modern

2508
02:25:40,600 --> 02:25:44,240
Speaker 1: IWW talks about and SHEW thousand eleven it which is

2509
02:25:44,280 --> 02:25:47,520
Speaker 1: like the sort of like sabotage cat picture. It was

2510
02:25:47,560 --> 02:25:51,560
Speaker 1: probably conceived by IWW member Ralph Chaplin, most famous for

2511
02:25:51,600 --> 02:25:55,760
Speaker 1: penning the IWW labor anthem Solidarity Forever, who produced many

2512
02:25:55,840 --> 02:26:00,760
Speaker 1: of the IWW's early silent agitator graphics, which themselves had

2513
02:26:00,800 --> 02:26:04,240
Speaker 1: close association with hobo signs described elsewhere in this gallery.

2514
02:26:04,240 --> 02:26:06,040
Speaker 1: If i W a culture, we can cut that part.

2515
02:26:06,680 --> 02:26:09,760
Speaker 1: Although today the cat has a general association with the IWW,

2516
02:26:10,000 --> 02:26:12,640
Speaker 1: sometimes even as its mascot, its original purpose was as

2517
02:26:12,640 --> 02:26:14,959
Speaker 1: a code or symbol for direct action at the point

2518
02:26:15,000 --> 02:26:19,240
Speaker 1: of production, specifically sabotage. Indeed, the cat may have been

2519
02:26:19,879 --> 02:26:22,040
Speaker 1: may even have been chosen due to the convenient word

2520
02:26:22,120 --> 02:26:25,400
Speaker 1: place sabo tabby, possibly even a direct inspiration from mel

2521
02:26:25,440 --> 02:26:30,600
Speaker 1: Blanc's characterization of bugs bunny. Often bugs bunnies often mispronounced sabotage.

2522
02:26:30,720 --> 02:26:42,160
Speaker 1: Sabotage by really should be as like sabotage, so i

2523
02:26:42,200 --> 02:26:44,400
Speaker 1: was described in the section of sabotage must be emphasized

2524
02:26:44,400 --> 02:26:47,760
Speaker 1: that the latter did not mean destruction of machinery or equipment,

2525
02:26:48,480 --> 02:26:51,120
Speaker 1: although I I really think that's partially like that the

2526
02:26:51,120 --> 02:26:56,879
Speaker 1: modern IWW being like, hey, don't sue us like this

2527
02:26:57,000 --> 02:26:58,360
Speaker 1: and this. The thing with the the old i WW

2528
02:26:58,480 --> 02:27:00,240
Speaker 1: is like you'll you'll get you'll get like states from

2529
02:27:00,240 --> 02:27:03,640
Speaker 1: my w W leaders who are like, uh we I

2530
02:27:04,040 --> 02:27:05,800
Speaker 1: we We're not the guy. We don't like our our

2531
02:27:05,920 --> 02:27:08,800
Speaker 1: strikers aren't the people who break machines. There's another group

2532
02:27:08,800 --> 02:27:12,640
Speaker 1: of people who are like here also, but who are

2533
02:27:12,680 --> 02:27:14,600
Speaker 1: not us? Who are not us? Who are door do

2534
02:27:14,640 --> 02:27:19,279
Speaker 1: who are destroying things? I never do crimes great stuff,

2535
02:27:20,000 --> 02:27:29,280
Speaker 1: Only my identical twin Harrison does. Cry. Yeah, it's amazing

2536
02:27:29,320 --> 02:27:32,600
Speaker 1: how many symbols of industrial labor come from the wobblies,

2537
02:27:32,640 --> 02:27:36,160
Speaker 1: Like the raised fist also comes from the IWW, right,

2538
02:27:36,200 --> 02:27:39,119
Speaker 1: Like it's incredible this global impact. Yeah, well, I mean

2539
02:27:39,320 --> 02:27:41,440
Speaker 1: like and I think there's a there's a reason for this,

2540
02:27:41,480 --> 02:27:44,560
Speaker 1: which is that like, okay, if if you're if you

2541
02:27:44,600 --> 02:27:47,280
Speaker 1: are a capitalist in the early nine, like this cat

2542
02:27:47,440 --> 02:27:51,240
Speaker 1: is the spookiest ship you've ever seen, Like, like it

2543
02:27:51,360 --> 02:27:54,640
Speaker 1: is terrifying, Like they are like groups of wobblies, will

2544
02:27:54,800 --> 02:27:57,680
Speaker 1: like try to step off a boat and people and

2545
02:27:57,720 --> 02:27:59,960
Speaker 1: like the like sheriffs will just immediately start shooting the

2546
02:28:00,040 --> 02:28:03,080
Speaker 1: him like it is to this day. I think I

2547
02:28:03,120 --> 02:28:05,320
Speaker 1: think that WW is the only leftist group in the

2548
02:28:05,360 --> 02:28:07,360
Speaker 1: history of the U S outside of Puerto Rico that

2549
02:28:07,400 --> 02:28:10,320
Speaker 1: has ever taken in American city, which they did in

2550
02:28:10,360 --> 02:28:12,959
Speaker 1: the UH. It was a very small town on the border,

2551
02:28:13,000 --> 02:28:16,680
Speaker 1: but they actually actually took American cities like during the

2552
02:28:16,680 --> 02:28:21,280
Speaker 1: Mexican Revolution um and that Mountain maybe United mind. Well,

2553
02:28:21,280 --> 02:28:23,280
Speaker 1: they didn't actually like that's the thing though, They didn't

2554
02:28:23,320 --> 02:28:27,920
Speaker 1: actually like fully like drive drive out like okay, yea yeah,

2555
02:28:27,959 --> 02:28:31,000
Speaker 1: like like they like that that WW like actually fully

2556
02:28:31,080 --> 02:28:34,160
Speaker 1: like took over these towns. It was like where the

2557
02:28:34,200 --> 02:28:38,120
Speaker 1: fucking running this down? But you know, but what this

2558
02:28:38,160 --> 02:28:40,840
Speaker 1: thing that starts happening here is you get like like

2559
02:28:40,920 --> 02:28:43,360
Speaker 1: people are really desperate like that there's still there's a

2560
02:28:43,360 --> 02:28:44,960
Speaker 1: bunch of houses, Like there's a bunch of like old

2561
02:28:45,000 --> 02:28:47,080
Speaker 1: mansions from this period, like Late Age hundreds, early nighte

2562
02:28:47,160 --> 02:28:50,560
Speaker 1: hundreds like in Chicago that are are all built in

2563
02:28:50,640 --> 02:28:52,320
Speaker 1: online in one street. And the reason they were all

2564
02:28:52,320 --> 02:28:54,920
Speaker 1: built that way was because they wanted to be on

2565
02:28:54,920 --> 02:28:56,959
Speaker 1: on the road to on the road to the nearest

2566
02:28:56,959 --> 02:28:59,119
Speaker 1: military base so that when the revolution come they came,

2567
02:28:59,160 --> 02:29:01,480
Speaker 1: they could run and hide. Like this is how scared

2568
02:29:01,480 --> 02:29:05,480
Speaker 1: peace people are. And the like bosses start offering workers

2569
02:29:05,480 --> 02:29:08,040
Speaker 1: things as a compromise that like most people today like

2570
02:29:08,120 --> 02:29:11,600
Speaker 1: think our socialism like they have, Like you start getting

2571
02:29:11,640 --> 02:29:14,080
Speaker 1: companies that have like into that have their own workers

2572
02:29:14,080 --> 02:29:18,000
Speaker 1: councils in them, like like here here is here is

2573
02:29:18,000 --> 02:29:20,200
Speaker 1: the workers council will give the workers council budgetrol over

2574
02:29:20,200 --> 02:29:22,440
Speaker 1: how the shot flow works, like please don't overthrow us.

2575
02:29:22,520 --> 02:29:26,520
Speaker 1: Like Rockefeller like develops the idea of putting workers on

2576
02:29:26,560 --> 02:29:29,879
Speaker 1: corporate boards, like specifically as a way of trying to

2577
02:29:29,920 --> 02:29:33,000
Speaker 1: buy off workers and stopping them from like sabotaging their

2578
02:29:33,040 --> 02:29:35,439
Speaker 1: way to revolution and just like stealing all of Rocketfeller's

2579
02:29:35,440 --> 02:29:38,160
Speaker 1: property for the working class. And you know, we've been

2580
02:29:38,160 --> 02:29:39,840
Speaker 1: talking about about a lot about this and sort of

2581
02:29:39,840 --> 02:29:41,840
Speaker 1: like the American context and like sort of the French

2582
02:29:41,879 --> 02:29:44,840
Speaker 1: and English context, but you know, partially because the ademology,

2583
02:29:44,879 --> 02:29:47,000
Speaker 1: partially because of like who's involved with like the specific

2584
02:29:47,000 --> 02:29:49,280
Speaker 1: black cat thin but like syndicalism, which is the sort

2585
02:29:49,320 --> 02:29:52,600
Speaker 1: of like this ideology of using democratic unions doing a

2586
02:29:52,640 --> 02:29:54,520
Speaker 1: general strike to like seize control of the means of

2587
02:29:54,520 --> 02:29:57,960
Speaker 1: production and ending the class system. This is fucking everywhere.

2588
02:29:58,000 --> 02:30:00,800
Speaker 1: This is these these people spread like wild fire, like

2589
02:30:00,840 --> 02:30:02,880
Speaker 1: I think, I think probably the most famous cynicals other

2590
02:30:02,920 --> 02:30:05,600
Speaker 1: than the IWW are the CNT in Spain. But like

2591
02:30:07,320 --> 02:30:10,680
Speaker 1: you know, the Italian in in in nineteen nineteen seventeen

2592
02:30:10,760 --> 02:30:14,200
Speaker 1: nineteen nineteen, like Cynicolas and Italy like very nearly pull

2593
02:30:14,280 --> 02:30:16,120
Speaker 1: off a revolution during the period that becomes known as

2594
02:30:16,160 --> 02:30:18,000
Speaker 1: de Benni a Rosso or like the two Red Years,

2595
02:30:18,200 --> 02:30:21,400
Speaker 1: they wind up being betrayed by the Italian Socialists and

2596
02:30:21,480 --> 02:30:25,760
Speaker 1: that's how we get Bussolini but shocked. Yeah, who who

2597
02:30:25,760 --> 02:30:28,039
Speaker 1: who could have guessed? But you know, there there are

2598
02:30:28,120 --> 02:30:31,240
Speaker 1: enormous cynicalist unions like everywhere that there's there's the huge

2599
02:30:31,280 --> 02:30:36,439
Speaker 1: cynicals unions in both Brazil and Argentina and sort of bizarrely,

2600
02:30:37,040 --> 02:30:40,200
Speaker 1: both Brazil and Argentina both have these sort of like

2601
02:30:40,320 --> 02:30:45,280
Speaker 1: general strike anarchist revolutions in both nineteen seventeen and nineteen nineteen. Yeah,

2602
02:30:45,520 --> 02:30:48,480
Speaker 1: it's wild like the cynicals are everywhere. There's there's like

2603
02:30:48,480 --> 02:30:52,400
Speaker 1: their cynicalist like tin workers in Brazil. There in Venezuela.

2604
02:30:52,440 --> 02:30:54,520
Speaker 1: There's an AWW section in South Africa there, it's like

2605
02:30:54,520 --> 02:30:57,720
Speaker 1: cynicalas in Egypt. They're in Japan like it. From from

2606
02:30:57,720 --> 02:31:02,680
Speaker 1: this period, from like the late eighteen hundreds through really

2607
02:31:02,720 --> 02:31:06,080
Speaker 1: even the earlier, so the early nineteen twenties, like these

2608
02:31:06,160 --> 02:31:09,920
Speaker 1: people are a pretty significant section of the entire international

2609
02:31:10,000 --> 02:31:13,160
Speaker 1: labor and socialist movements. And every word syndicalism goes this

2610
02:31:13,320 --> 02:31:18,640
Speaker 1: black cat goes with them. Now. Unfortunately, as as vagina

2611
02:31:18,720 --> 02:31:21,080
Speaker 1: hunters wear on the this the influence of syndicalism begins

2612
02:31:21,120 --> 02:31:23,760
Speaker 1: to wane as a combination of both intense post World

2613
02:31:23,760 --> 02:31:26,359
Speaker 1: War One repression and you know as this as reactions

2614
02:31:26,360 --> 02:31:30,199
Speaker 1: sort of like red scary reactions to uh, the Russian Revolution,

2615
02:31:30,560 --> 02:31:32,400
Speaker 1: and also the sort of rise of like Lennin as

2616
02:31:32,400 --> 02:31:34,760
Speaker 1: communist parties who have their own doctrines that don't like

2617
02:31:35,440 --> 02:31:37,920
Speaker 1: rely on sabotage in the sort of theoretical sense that

2618
02:31:38,800 --> 02:31:43,400
Speaker 1: syn nicolism does. And this this has like this, this, this,

2619
02:31:43,400 --> 02:31:45,320
Speaker 1: this has a bunch of sort of malign effects on

2620
02:31:45,400 --> 02:31:50,640
Speaker 1: what people think sabotage is. Unfortunately, but do you know

2621
02:31:50,720 --> 02:31:53,280
Speaker 1: what else degraded the use of sabotages of political and

2622
02:31:53,280 --> 02:32:00,080
Speaker 1: ideological weapon. It's it's it's the advertising industrial comes, not

2623
02:32:00,160 --> 02:32:04,640
Speaker 1: the bastie boys, and we are back. But wait, there's

2624
02:32:04,720 --> 02:32:08,320
Speaker 1: still more sabotage because unfortunately, you know, as as the

2625
02:32:08,360 --> 02:32:10,360
Speaker 1: sort of like the syneclist movement is declining and like

2626
02:32:10,400 --> 02:32:13,040
Speaker 1: every single one of these people is getting shot. Uh,

2627
02:32:13,080 --> 02:32:16,439
Speaker 1: there was waiting in the wings. Another type of sabotage

2628
02:32:16,920 --> 02:32:18,680
Speaker 1: that we've talked about a lot on this show. And yeah,

2629
02:32:18,879 --> 02:32:22,880
Speaker 1: this is ecological sabotage, which I'm okay. I also see

2630
02:32:22,920 --> 02:32:25,880
Speaker 1: people calling it eco taj and like, I'm sorry, I

2631
02:32:25,720 --> 02:32:27,680
Speaker 1: love I love you, I love you all Forest of Fighters.

2632
02:32:27,800 --> 02:32:32,640
Speaker 1: That is a dogshit word like echo tag, like come on,

2633
02:32:32,840 --> 02:32:35,080
Speaker 1: like this is this is not this is not actually

2634
02:32:35,080 --> 02:32:37,879
Speaker 1: a good word. We could do better. Um. It's also

2635
02:32:37,920 --> 02:32:43,880
Speaker 1: called monkey wrenching after the the the work of ecological

2636
02:32:43,920 --> 02:32:48,400
Speaker 1: activists in veterate racist Edward Abbey, that's right, and sexist.

2637
02:32:48,440 --> 02:32:52,160
Speaker 1: Don't don't let him off the hook. Oh yeah yeah, yeah,

2638
02:32:52,280 --> 02:32:55,480
Speaker 1: old white dude Edward Abbey. Yeah he's a he's a

2639
02:32:55,560 --> 02:32:59,440
Speaker 1: very like this is a very like Pacific Northwest kind

2640
02:32:59,480 --> 02:33:06,760
Speaker 1: of guy. That's true. Yeah, yeah, it's like guys who's

2641
02:33:06,800 --> 02:33:10,280
Speaker 1: white really likes forest does not like brown people. He

2642
02:33:10,440 --> 02:33:14,240
Speaker 1: loves the fucking desert like yeah, yeah, desert boomers loves

2643
02:33:14,280 --> 02:33:16,120
Speaker 1: some med with Abbey. They pay it. I was in

2644
02:33:16,160 --> 02:33:18,360
Speaker 1: Moab recently and like the amount of people selling like

2645
02:33:18,440 --> 02:33:24,120
Speaker 1: first editions of Edward Abbey books without like entire like

2646
02:33:24,480 --> 02:33:27,680
Speaker 1: first edition to like Earth First Gathering posters and stuff

2647
02:33:28,560 --> 02:33:34,640
Speaker 1: like thousands. Someone who's on an off road safari. Oh nice, Yeah,

2648
02:33:34,640 --> 02:33:37,040
Speaker 1: that's a copy of the most maybe a first edition. Actually,

2649
02:33:37,400 --> 02:33:39,039
Speaker 1: do you do you want to tell the crowd what

2650
02:33:39,120 --> 02:33:43,119
Speaker 1: this book is about? Gang? Yeah? Oh, it's a group

2651
02:33:43,160 --> 02:33:46,640
Speaker 1: of people who have some fun times. It's people who

2652
02:33:46,959 --> 02:33:51,800
Speaker 1: travel around. They play with some trains, um and some diggers.

2653
02:33:51,879 --> 02:33:56,959
Speaker 1: They play with diggers, yes, yes they were, they were diggers. Yeah,

2654
02:33:57,000 --> 02:33:59,440
Speaker 1: I don't know, even just having fun times. Also, there's

2655
02:33:59,480 --> 02:34:01,280
Speaker 1: something that I I did not know for a while,

2656
02:34:01,280 --> 02:34:04,600
Speaker 1: but Edward Abbey also wrote one of the adaptations of

2657
02:34:04,640 --> 02:34:09,119
Speaker 1: Lolita to play on stage. Oh shoot, I forgot about that. Yeah,

2658
02:34:09,520 --> 02:34:14,879
Speaker 1: I just un problematic guy doing fascinating stuff. He discubs trees. Yeah, well, okay,

2659
02:34:14,879 --> 02:34:18,400
Speaker 1: so he has the one genuine the unproblematic thing he

2660
02:34:19,120 --> 02:34:21,440
Speaker 1: wrote this you're another book called EO. Well okay, so

2661
02:34:21,480 --> 02:34:23,200
Speaker 1: he's involved in the writing of this. There's a lot

2662
02:34:23,200 --> 02:34:24,520
Speaker 1: of there's a lot of people have tribute to this,

2663
02:34:24,879 --> 02:34:26,960
Speaker 1: but he's involved in the writing of a book called

2664
02:34:27,000 --> 02:34:30,080
Speaker 1: Eco Defensive Field Guide to Monkey Wrenching, which is this

2665
02:34:30,240 --> 02:34:34,400
Speaker 1: like unbelievably intricate and detailed guy to doing everything from

2666
02:34:34,440 --> 02:34:38,160
Speaker 1: like tree spiking power lines to breaking ranching equipment, to

2667
02:34:38,200 --> 02:34:41,640
Speaker 1: sabotaging vehicles and aircraft, of freeing animals from traps, she

2668
02:34:41,720 --> 02:34:44,240
Speaker 1: defeating surveillance, the sinking ships, to a section that is

2669
02:34:44,280 --> 02:34:52,119
Speaker 1: called only quote fun with sling shots. Even in Key

2670
02:34:52,160 --> 02:34:55,440
Speaker 1: wrench Gang he goes into great detail about how to

2671
02:34:55,520 --> 02:34:58,800
Speaker 1: start a caterpillar like bulldozer, like like a lot of

2672
02:34:58,840 --> 02:35:02,000
Speaker 1: it was like how to do terrorism, but like in

2673
02:35:02,040 --> 02:35:05,600
Speaker 1: a novel, like it's fantastic. Yeah, well it's like that.

2674
02:35:05,959 --> 02:35:08,640
Speaker 1: There's a whole genre of like of post World War

2675
02:35:08,680 --> 02:35:11,640
Speaker 1: two French films that are this with prison breaks where

2676
02:35:11,680 --> 02:35:13,680
Speaker 1: it's like as a bunch of people people who like

2677
02:35:13,720 --> 02:35:15,720
Speaker 1: been in concentration camps and like had broken out of

2678
02:35:15,720 --> 02:35:19,480
Speaker 1: them are making these movies that are like just really intricate. Okay, okay,

2679
02:35:19,520 --> 02:35:21,120
Speaker 1: this is how you make a lock pick, Like this

2680
02:35:21,200 --> 02:35:24,160
Speaker 1: is this is how you figure out guards like shift changes,

2681
02:35:24,320 --> 02:35:26,879
Speaker 1: like this is how you like take out these boards.

2682
02:35:26,920 --> 02:35:28,640
Speaker 1: It's great stuff and it's it's what one of one

2683
02:35:28,640 --> 02:35:31,840
Speaker 1: of the better kinds of things and eco defense, Like

2684
02:35:32,080 --> 02:35:35,160
Speaker 1: it's not the most banned book I've ever seen in

2685
02:35:35,200 --> 02:35:39,080
Speaker 1: a world that goes to, yeah, it's it's not okay.

2686
02:35:39,680 --> 02:35:42,800
Speaker 1: So on the one hand, like the FBI is in

2687
02:35:42,840 --> 02:35:45,560
Speaker 1: a weird position because they can't like technically ban it

2688
02:35:45,840 --> 02:35:48,440
Speaker 1: because the US has this thing called the First Amendment

2689
02:35:48,480 --> 02:35:54,959
Speaker 1: that like you can sometimes winning courts. Here's here's the

2690
02:35:54,959 --> 02:35:57,560
Speaker 1: the Ego Defense Handbook was not written by Edward Abbey.

2691
02:35:57,560 --> 02:36:01,120
Speaker 1: It was written by David Foreman. Yeah, but people'll, uh

2692
02:36:01,160 --> 02:36:04,440
Speaker 1: there was a foreword in the book written by Edward Abbey. Okay,

2693
02:36:04,440 --> 02:36:06,959
Speaker 1: that that's the he wasn't. I think I think he

2694
02:36:07,000 --> 02:36:09,600
Speaker 1: was involved with the publication with it. Like he's somewhat

2695
02:36:10,879 --> 02:36:13,840
Speaker 1: like David Foreman and Edward Abbey were friends. They were

2696
02:36:15,560 --> 02:36:18,440
Speaker 1: they were Abby Abby Abby. Abbey is less involved with

2697
02:36:18,440 --> 02:36:21,560
Speaker 1: this insofar as he like Foremen, like the FBI tries

2698
02:36:21,600 --> 02:36:24,760
Speaker 1: to like entrap him for writing this book. Like like

2699
02:36:24,800 --> 02:36:27,320
Speaker 1: all most of the people who like action sections to this. Yeah,

2700
02:36:27,400 --> 02:36:30,440
Speaker 1: like all these people like people start yea the FBI

2701
02:36:30,480 --> 02:36:32,920
Speaker 1: tries to arrest him on other stuff because unfortunately this

2702
02:36:32,920 --> 02:36:35,560
Speaker 1: book doesn't violate traffic law, so they can't arrestue for it.

2703
02:36:36,360 --> 02:36:39,960
Speaker 1: And okay, I do buy it on ab a lot. Yeah. Yeah,

2704
02:36:40,040 --> 02:36:43,200
Speaker 1: it's on the Anarchist Library for free. Don't buy it,

2705
02:36:44,360 --> 02:36:47,480
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Bezos your money. Yeah, so it turned on a

2706
02:36:47,560 --> 02:36:52,119
Speaker 1: VPN used tour and go to the Anarchist Library. It's

2707
02:36:52,120 --> 02:36:55,080
Speaker 1: it's in this category of books that are like like, okay,

2708
02:36:55,080 --> 02:36:56,720
Speaker 1: when when when you have your Noble band books list,

2709
02:36:56,760 --> 02:36:59,040
Speaker 1: they don't include. There just two kinds of books the

2710
02:36:59,040 --> 02:37:01,040
Speaker 1: don't include. One is they don't include books where it's like,

2711
02:37:01,160 --> 02:37:02,840
Speaker 1: well they didn't technically ban the book, but they tried

2712
02:37:02,840 --> 02:37:04,879
Speaker 1: to arrest everyone who wrote it. And then too, they

2713
02:37:04,879 --> 02:37:07,800
Speaker 1: don't include Alfredo Banano's arm Joy, a book for which

2714
02:37:07,800 --> 02:37:10,840
Speaker 1: she was arrested, thrown in prison and kept through well.

2715
02:37:10,879 --> 02:37:13,840
Speaker 1: The Italian government, on orders from the Supreme Court, like

2716
02:37:14,640 --> 02:37:16,960
Speaker 1: took every copy they could find, lit it on fire

2717
02:37:17,000 --> 02:37:20,920
Speaker 1: and giant bonfires. The other thing with that, you could

2718
02:37:20,920 --> 02:37:23,400
Speaker 1: have hand sam book even if they did not arrest

2719
02:37:23,720 --> 02:37:26,600
Speaker 1: the owners. I've talked with a lot of green anarchists

2720
02:37:26,680 --> 02:37:31,240
Speaker 1: from who who were active during the green scare, and

2721
02:37:31,320 --> 02:37:36,680
Speaker 1: they definitely arrested people just for having having like like

2722
02:37:36,760 --> 02:37:39,000
Speaker 1: if like if you had it, that was evidence that

2723
02:37:39,040 --> 02:37:42,320
Speaker 1: you were a terrorist, Like it was something that like

2724
02:37:42,440 --> 02:37:46,640
Speaker 1: you don't talk about, you don't put your fingerprints on it, um,

2725
02:37:46,680 --> 02:37:50,480
Speaker 1: because having this book could get you in trouble, Like

2726
02:37:50,600 --> 02:37:54,920
Speaker 1: you don't like it's it's it's it's there's there's multiple

2727
02:37:54,959 --> 02:37:57,160
Speaker 1: ways to ban a book, one of them being if

2728
02:37:57,160 --> 02:37:58,800
Speaker 1: you have it, they're gonna try to charge you with

2729
02:37:58,840 --> 02:38:05,760
Speaker 1: like terrorism enhancement stuff might also trying to cause a pretext. So, yeah,

2730
02:38:06,040 --> 02:38:09,800
Speaker 1: fun book. Yeah, and so, and like I think, yeah,

2731
02:38:09,920 --> 02:38:12,520
Speaker 1: calling it like I think with so, I think a

2732
02:38:12,560 --> 02:38:14,240
Speaker 1: lot of the stuff that people were doing that I

2733
02:38:14,360 --> 02:38:16,959
Speaker 1: called monkey wrenching or sort of like ecological sabotag just

2734
02:38:17,080 --> 02:38:20,520
Speaker 1: called eco terrorism today because people have just well there's

2735
02:38:20,680 --> 02:38:22,520
Speaker 1: like a whole loop of this, right because there's there's

2736
02:38:22,560 --> 02:38:24,680
Speaker 1: there's there's the fbig the green scary growing, like, all

2737
02:38:24,680 --> 02:38:26,520
Speaker 1: of this is terrorism. We're going to use the fucking

2738
02:38:26,640 --> 02:38:29,879
Speaker 1: entire like giant like military appc actually built up to

2739
02:38:29,959 --> 02:38:33,160
Speaker 1: like go after about people setting free animals. But then

2740
02:38:33,480 --> 02:38:35,520
Speaker 1: but then like like at some point and this is

2741
02:38:35,600 --> 02:38:37,320
Speaker 1: this is I think thing. It's very interesting in the

2742
02:38:37,400 --> 02:38:40,720
Speaker 1: last sort of like five ten years, like people who

2743
02:38:41,000 --> 02:38:44,200
Speaker 1: weren't really involved with the original stuff decided that eco

2744
02:38:44,280 --> 02:38:46,760
Speaker 1: terrorism was cool. And now everyone on Twitter just talks

2745
02:38:46,760 --> 02:38:49,640
Speaker 1: about eco terrorism all the time, which is like they

2746
02:38:49,640 --> 02:38:51,800
Speaker 1: talk about interesting term. Well they don't and this is

2747
02:38:51,879 --> 02:38:54,240
Speaker 1: the thing. Those people don't do it, and it's like

2748
02:38:54,480 --> 02:38:58,400
Speaker 1: come on, like but on the other hand, there are

2749
02:38:58,440 --> 02:39:02,000
Speaker 1: a lot of people we should maybe caveat for our

2750
02:39:02,000 --> 02:39:05,320
Speaker 1: British listeners that you absolutely can be prosecuted for having

2751
02:39:05,360 --> 02:39:07,840
Speaker 1: that book, and multiple people have been prosecuted in the

2752
02:39:07,920 --> 02:39:10,959
Speaker 1: last two years. And the Anarchist Cookbook. I mean you

2753
02:39:11,000 --> 02:39:16,960
Speaker 1: could still be oh yeah, it's like they they can't. Yeah,

2754
02:39:17,680 --> 02:39:20,840
Speaker 1: even if you're an American you can still get they've

2755
02:39:20,879 --> 02:39:23,760
Speaker 1: still gotten people for having the book. Like it's it's

2756
02:39:23,800 --> 02:39:26,480
Speaker 1: it's that's that's that's interest thing about how the censorship works, right,

2757
02:39:26,520 --> 02:39:28,480
Speaker 1: is it like like you are allowed to be a

2758
02:39:28,520 --> 02:39:30,680
Speaker 1: capitalist and sell it, but you're not You're not allowed

2759
02:39:30,720 --> 02:39:36,000
Speaker 1: to buy it because you a terrorist. Yeah, wonderful stuff. Yeah,

2760
02:39:36,040 --> 02:39:38,160
Speaker 1: in Britain, you can't even things like the Anarchist Cookbook,

2761
02:39:38,200 --> 02:39:42,320
Speaker 1: Like people have been prosecuted and anyone should be prosecuted

2762
02:39:42,320 --> 02:39:46,840
Speaker 1: for the Anarchist Cookbook because because it's dogshit anyone. Pretty Yeah,

2763
02:39:47,080 --> 02:39:49,240
Speaker 1: I've always wanted to do like a deep dive into

2764
02:39:49,440 --> 02:39:51,560
Speaker 1: the history of all the ship that's been blamed on

2765
02:39:51,600 --> 02:39:54,480
Speaker 1: that book and yeah, all the people who have And

2766
02:39:54,480 --> 02:39:56,760
Speaker 1: it's funny too because it's not like the Army literally

2767
02:39:56,800 --> 02:39:59,640
Speaker 1: doesn't publish fucking Field Manual, but you could just buy

2768
02:39:59,640 --> 02:40:02,040
Speaker 1: it a store that like has all the same ship. Like,

2769
02:40:03,200 --> 02:40:06,120
Speaker 1: but you know, terrorism is when we do it and

2770
02:40:06,160 --> 02:40:08,800
Speaker 1: not when they do it. That's right, So I want

2771
02:40:08,800 --> 02:40:10,320
Speaker 1: to talk about so like this whole thing is is

2772
02:40:10,320 --> 02:40:11,840
Speaker 1: a product of like this, like you know, this is

2773
02:40:11,879 --> 02:40:15,240
Speaker 1: what sabotage it turns into. Right, And there's you know,

2774
02:40:15,280 --> 02:40:17,600
Speaker 1: and some of the people stuff that like is being

2775
02:40:17,640 --> 02:40:20,600
Speaker 1: done here isn't really that destructive. Like a lot of

2776
02:40:20,640 --> 02:40:24,040
Speaker 1: people like you know, like people people like sitting in trees. Right,

2777
02:40:24,080 --> 02:40:25,400
Speaker 1: there's a lot of stuff that sort of like civil

2778
02:40:25,480 --> 02:40:29,520
Speaker 1: disobedience that is like you know, including this stuff. But

2779
02:40:29,520 --> 02:40:32,280
Speaker 1: then there's also like but you know, but but like

2780
02:40:32,320 --> 02:40:34,480
Speaker 1: stuff like spiking trees is where you I think you

2781
02:40:35,040 --> 02:40:37,320
Speaker 1: and it's basically destroying construction equipment is where stuff you

2782
02:40:37,360 --> 02:40:38,560
Speaker 1: start you start to get this sort of like modern

2783
02:40:38,640 --> 02:40:41,400
Speaker 1: understanding is sabotage is like a thing that like an

2784
02:40:41,400 --> 02:40:45,959
Speaker 1: activist does to like a piece of machinery. But you know,

2785
02:40:45,959 --> 02:40:48,439
Speaker 1: like there's a lot of things people do, like people sabotage,

2786
02:40:48,520 --> 02:40:51,200
Speaker 1: like whaling ships. But then also I want to sort

2787
02:40:51,200 --> 02:40:54,000
Speaker 1: of close the episode with this, is that like there's

2788
02:40:54,040 --> 02:40:55,840
Speaker 1: a lot of people in a lot of other places

2789
02:40:55,879 --> 02:40:59,160
Speaker 1: in the world who do, like who do a lot

2790
02:40:59,160 --> 02:41:01,080
Speaker 1: of stuff for echolog school defense that doesn't get put

2791
02:41:01,160 --> 02:41:04,360
Speaker 1: under this framework where for example, there are groups like

2792
02:41:04,360 --> 02:41:06,720
Speaker 1: the Niture Delta Avengers who are like, Okay, fuck it.

2793
02:41:06,760 --> 02:41:08,480
Speaker 1: If if the Nigeria government is just going to execute

2794
02:41:08,520 --> 02:41:10,760
Speaker 1: ecological activists, we're gonna pick up guns, we're gonna blow

2795
02:41:10,800 --> 02:41:13,440
Speaker 1: up pipeline pipelines, and we're gonna start shooting, and you

2796
02:41:13,480 --> 02:41:15,920
Speaker 1: know there there's ground in between, like the sort of

2797
02:41:15,920 --> 02:41:17,959
Speaker 1: like we're gonna do sabotage and we're going to like

2798
02:41:18,040 --> 02:41:20,440
Speaker 1: do arms struggle like an Ecuador for example, one of

2799
02:41:20,440 --> 02:41:21,920
Speaker 1: the responses you see to sort of like a tax

2800
02:41:21,920 --> 02:41:25,080
Speaker 1: in indigenous land by capitalist developers, this indigenous groups being

2801
02:41:25,120 --> 02:41:27,280
Speaker 1: just like fuck it, We're doing an uprising, and then

2802
02:41:27,360 --> 02:41:29,800
Speaker 1: tens of thousands of people like spend three weeks fighting

2803
02:41:29,840 --> 02:41:33,120
Speaker 1: and fighting cops in the street until they stop. And

2804
02:41:33,200 --> 02:41:34,880
Speaker 1: you also see stuff that's like it's kind of like

2805
02:41:35,320 --> 02:41:37,560
Speaker 1: because one of the other specifically in France, they do

2806
02:41:37,600 --> 02:41:40,160
Speaker 1: this all the fucking time, like one one of the

2807
02:41:40,160 --> 02:41:43,039
Speaker 1: older sort of like workers like sabotage tactics is just

2808
02:41:43,080 --> 02:41:46,920
Speaker 1: like you kidnapped your manager, and like people do this

2809
02:41:47,040 --> 02:41:50,360
Speaker 1: like now in France, Like it's just like, okay, you're

2810
02:41:50,400 --> 02:41:52,320
Speaker 1: the manager. You can't leave until you greet it or

2811
02:41:52,440 --> 02:41:55,480
Speaker 1: demand like but like when people will do this in

2812
02:41:55,520 --> 02:41:57,879
Speaker 1: ecological settings, well like a government sending a government minister

2813
02:41:57,959 --> 02:41:59,720
Speaker 1: to like negotiate something that would be they'll be like,

2814
02:41:59,720 --> 02:42:01,720
Speaker 1: I'm a manager around and people will just be like, okay,

2815
02:42:01,760 --> 02:42:04,720
Speaker 1: like we're kidnapping you, Like we'll let you go when

2816
02:42:04,760 --> 02:42:09,640
Speaker 1: you stop doing this. That's good good stuff. Yeah, And

2817
02:42:09,920 --> 02:42:11,640
Speaker 1: I think and I think like and these tactics also

2818
02:42:11,680 --> 02:42:13,360
Speaker 1: sort of spread, like for example, in Chile, if you

2819
02:42:13,400 --> 02:42:15,600
Speaker 1: look at like if you look at their sort of

2820
02:42:15,600 --> 02:42:18,760
Speaker 1: like like Milton ecological struggles, especially like indigenous the Pochay resistance,

2821
02:42:18,800 --> 02:42:21,920
Speaker 1: like that is a place that like more than anywhere

2822
02:42:21,920 --> 02:42:24,400
Speaker 1: else have ever seen love setting construction equipment on fire,

2823
02:42:25,320 --> 02:42:30,120
Speaker 1: like they really they really like lightning backos on fire.

2824
02:42:30,200 --> 02:42:33,280
Speaker 1: It's it's it's good stuff. Um, but you have having

2825
02:42:33,280 --> 02:42:35,120
Speaker 1: sort of said all of this, like the fact that

2826
02:42:35,160 --> 02:42:39,080
Speaker 1: sabotage is synonymous was sort of like property destruction, is

2827
02:42:39,160 --> 02:42:41,840
Speaker 1: I like, I genuinely think like a triumphal of corporate

2828
02:42:41,840 --> 02:42:45,760
Speaker 1: propaganda because the original meeting of it right there and

2829
02:42:45,800 --> 02:42:48,760
Speaker 1: the original politics behind it, which which is this like

2830
02:42:48,879 --> 02:42:52,120
Speaker 1: very explicit class politics of like fuck it, Like if

2831
02:42:52,160 --> 02:42:55,240
Speaker 1: we are not going to get the actual like products

2832
02:42:55,240 --> 02:42:57,600
Speaker 1: of our own labor, we are either not going to

2833
02:42:57,680 --> 02:42:59,400
Speaker 1: work or we are going to take it from you

2834
02:42:59,520 --> 02:43:01,600
Speaker 1: or where you and to make sure that you also

2835
02:43:01,600 --> 02:43:03,400
Speaker 1: don't get the products of our labor. Like that's so

2836
02:43:03,520 --> 02:43:07,200
Speaker 1: so just ord of gone. And that's that's that's very

2837
02:43:07,240 --> 02:43:10,600
Speaker 1: sad to be because it's it's it's a good politics

2838
02:43:10,640 --> 02:43:16,039
Speaker 1: and we need more of it. And yeah, all of

2839
02:43:16,040 --> 02:43:17,840
Speaker 1: this sort of is to say that workers have no

2840
02:43:17,920 --> 02:43:20,160
Speaker 1: reason to fear the black cat, but boss's owners and

2841
02:43:20,200 --> 02:43:24,840
Speaker 1: capitalists live in fear. Your time will come happy Halloween happy.

2842
02:43:24,959 --> 02:43:30,760
Speaker 1: How the cut fences somehow I didn't somehow I never

2843
02:43:30,840 --> 02:43:32,800
Speaker 1: mentioned bolt cutters in here, which is sort of wild.

2844
02:43:33,520 --> 02:43:39,960
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, actually so some something something I learned on

2845
02:43:40,000 --> 02:43:42,280
Speaker 1: a job once is that like, okay, so so like

2846
02:43:42,320 --> 02:43:46,080
Speaker 1: bart Razor wire is really scary stuff like it has

2847
02:43:46,120 --> 02:43:47,959
Speaker 1: like it has like anti clouding agents in it that

2848
02:43:48,080 --> 02:43:51,680
Speaker 1: like I've like on the wire, but I've gotten passed

2849
02:43:51,680 --> 02:43:52,840
Speaker 1: a lot of right there. Why yeah, well, but I

2850
02:43:52,879 --> 02:43:54,360
Speaker 1: mean the thing the thing about this right is that

2851
02:43:54,480 --> 02:43:57,240
Speaker 1: like you could just cut, like it's actually really easy

2852
02:43:57,320 --> 02:44:00,200
Speaker 1: to just cut, like the chains on the chain ink

2853
02:44:00,480 --> 02:44:05,360
Speaker 1: so many people people have very strong like you can

2854
02:44:05,400 --> 02:44:07,160
Speaker 1: just sort of do this and like this and this

2855
02:44:07,200 --> 02:44:08,760
Speaker 1: is this is useful for a lot of things, like example,

2856
02:44:08,760 --> 02:44:10,120
Speaker 1: if you have to break down sections of fences and

2857
02:44:10,640 --> 02:44:13,200
Speaker 1: fences in your lawn, like, yeah you can. You can

2858
02:44:13,240 --> 02:44:15,760
Speaker 1: do lots of fun things with boat cutters. Keep the kids,

2859
02:44:15,760 --> 02:44:46,240
Speaker 1: oh tin snaps, keep the kids off your loan. Yeah

2860
02:44:47,320 --> 02:44:50,680
Speaker 1: that's right. It's spooky weak. So it can happen here

2861
02:44:51,240 --> 02:44:54,160
Speaker 1: those with ghost noises if you hadn't realized, And that

2862
02:44:54,240 --> 02:44:57,560
Speaker 1: must mean that today we are doing a podcast about

2863
02:44:57,640 --> 02:45:00,360
Speaker 1: mass graves. What's going on? What the fu happening in

2864
02:45:00,360 --> 02:45:05,680
Speaker 1: the background? Running sounds, running water. We've summoned a fucking spirit?

2865
02:45:06,400 --> 02:45:09,040
Speaker 1: Where's that coming from? I don't hear it. I don't.

2866
02:45:09,080 --> 02:45:11,920
Speaker 1: I don't hear anything. Guys, you're just you don't hear it.

2867
02:45:12,720 --> 02:45:17,400
Speaker 1: It's gone now it's the podcast where we convince Garrison

2868
02:45:17,480 --> 02:45:22,080
Speaker 1: there's a ghost in the zoom machine. It's okay, I

2869
02:45:22,120 --> 02:45:23,840
Speaker 1: could I could like do a I could do a

2870
02:45:23,879 --> 02:45:25,800
Speaker 1: lesser bad as you go to the pentagram? Who really

2871
02:45:25,840 --> 02:45:29,240
Speaker 1: want to? It's fine, I'm not worried. I like the pentagram.

2872
02:45:30,400 --> 02:45:34,840
Speaker 1: That's what I'm tattooing on my children. Oh, nice me too. Yeah,

2873
02:45:35,200 --> 02:45:37,240
Speaker 1: you haven't done the forehead there like a coward, you've

2874
02:45:37,240 --> 02:45:40,400
Speaker 1: done there? Yeah? No, I mean elbow. Elbow is the

2875
02:45:40,440 --> 02:45:43,080
Speaker 1: way to go. So, Garrison, what do you know about

2876
02:45:43,360 --> 02:45:47,880
Speaker 1: mass graves? Um never been to one to my knowledge. Uh,

2877
02:45:50,520 --> 02:45:53,320
Speaker 1: they seem like they're not great. Usually they're a signifier

2878
02:45:53,400 --> 02:45:56,880
Speaker 1: that something something not great happened, a little bit of

2879
02:45:56,879 --> 02:46:01,280
Speaker 1: a noopsie. Uh yeah, you can be a way to

2880
02:46:01,360 --> 02:46:05,000
Speaker 1: hide one's mistakes. Certainly, where would you have yet to

2881
02:46:05,040 --> 02:46:07,240
Speaker 1: guess where the biggest mass grave in the world is?

2882
02:46:07,280 --> 02:46:08,880
Speaker 1: Where whe would you go for? Well, I know there's

2883
02:46:08,879 --> 02:46:12,879
Speaker 1: a lot of big ones in Canada. But if I'm

2884
02:46:12,879 --> 02:46:17,080
Speaker 1: going to guess, they call those schools in Canada and yeah,

2885
02:46:17,320 --> 02:46:19,320
Speaker 1: I would say, like Russia, maybe he has the biggest

2886
02:46:19,320 --> 02:46:21,080
Speaker 1: mass grave. I don't know. That's just like off the

2887
02:46:21,080 --> 02:46:24,480
Speaker 1: top of my head. No, it's not. It's you've got

2888
02:46:24,480 --> 02:46:26,960
Speaker 1: a guest sting. Oh No, I know where the biggest

2889
02:46:26,959 --> 02:46:30,000
Speaker 1: cemetery is, but I guess that's very different. Where is

2890
02:46:30,000 --> 02:46:34,080
Speaker 1: the biggest cemetery? I Rocky Rock has the world, and

2891
02:46:34,080 --> 02:46:41,320
Speaker 1: it's supposed to be haunted. So this one is not haunted.

2892
02:46:41,600 --> 02:46:44,080
Speaker 1: But as far as I can tell, it's the biggest

2893
02:46:44,080 --> 02:46:49,040
Speaker 1: mass grave in the world, about thirty four thousand people. Um.

2894
02:46:49,280 --> 02:46:51,800
Speaker 1: And this is in Spain. Spain does not get enough

2895
02:46:51,800 --> 02:46:55,520
Speaker 1: credit for it. It's mass graves. In fact, second only

2896
02:46:55,560 --> 02:46:58,680
Speaker 1: to Cambodia in the number of mass graves that it has.

2897
02:46:59,280 --> 02:47:02,200
Speaker 1: Spain has about a hundred and fifteen thousand people who

2898
02:47:02,240 --> 02:47:07,320
Speaker 1: were forcibly disappeared and are still buried in unidentified graves,

2899
02:47:07,320 --> 02:47:10,600
Speaker 1: but about thirty five four thousands of them are buried

2900
02:47:10,600 --> 02:47:12,280
Speaker 1: in the place we're going to talk about today, which

2901
02:47:12,360 --> 02:47:15,160
Speaker 1: is the Via de los Caidos or the Valley of

2902
02:47:15,200 --> 02:47:20,560
Speaker 1: the Fallen. So the Cailros is not only a mass grave,

2903
02:47:20,680 --> 02:47:23,760
Speaker 1: but it's also a Catholic basilica. It's also the largest

2904
02:47:23,800 --> 02:47:27,360
Speaker 1: basilica in the world, and it was built by one

2905
02:47:28,000 --> 02:47:31,400
Speaker 1: Francisco Franco, who was the dictator of Spain from the

2906
02:47:31,640 --> 02:47:38,600
Speaker 1: nineteen from nine. And it was also his own grave

2907
02:47:38,800 --> 02:47:43,560
Speaker 1: until when Spain dug him up, put him in a helicopter,

2908
02:47:43,840 --> 02:47:46,000
Speaker 1: flew him across the country so that no one could

2909
02:47:46,680 --> 02:47:50,680
Speaker 1: like car bomb or protest or otherwise desecrate his corpse,

2910
02:47:51,280 --> 02:47:54,879
Speaker 1: and buried him in another grave. So that's what I

2911
02:47:54,879 --> 02:47:59,800
Speaker 1: want to talk about it today. The vaa los caido,

2912
02:48:00,160 --> 02:48:03,120
Speaker 1: it means value of the fallen. Right. Incidentally, there's a

2913
02:48:03,120 --> 02:48:05,800
Speaker 1: film called Valley of the Dead, which I said, anyone

2914
02:48:05,840 --> 02:48:08,160
Speaker 1: else seen this? Was it just me who said to

2915
02:48:08,160 --> 02:48:13,199
Speaker 1: curse himself? Okay, just me? More of the shame. Yeah,

2916
02:48:13,840 --> 02:48:16,920
Speaker 1: many more people should be enjoying Spanish Civil War zombie

2917
02:48:17,120 --> 02:48:21,960
Speaker 1: fiction movies in which both sides come together to fight

2918
02:48:22,040 --> 02:48:26,160
Speaker 1: against the greater foe of the undead. Not actually a

2919
02:48:26,200 --> 02:48:29,440
Speaker 1: thing that happened. The value of the undead. Yeah, it

2920
02:48:29,440 --> 02:48:31,520
Speaker 1: could be called the value of the undead, but they didn't.

2921
02:48:31,800 --> 02:48:34,720
Speaker 1: They didn't quite get that far. Some of the least

2922
02:48:34,720 --> 02:48:39,720
Speaker 1: spectacular dubbing I've ever seen in a film like I'm

2923
02:48:39,840 --> 02:48:44,560
Speaker 1: used to watching, like English stuff dubbed in Spanish. But

2924
02:48:44,680 --> 02:48:47,600
Speaker 1: I don't think I've before seen something Spanish dubbed in

2925
02:48:47,720 --> 02:48:52,400
Speaker 1: like really cringe American English. It's not it's not great. No,

2926
02:48:52,560 --> 02:48:54,720
Speaker 1: it's not. But in a sense it is also great,

2927
02:48:55,000 --> 02:48:59,640
Speaker 1: but in you know, in a sort of enjoyably bad.

2928
02:49:01,240 --> 02:49:03,720
Speaker 1: But yeah, it is. It is very funny. It's on Netflix.

2929
02:49:03,760 --> 02:49:07,680
Speaker 1: It's free malon Nazis. I think it was called in Spanish,

2930
02:49:07,720 --> 02:49:12,560
Speaker 1: but Valley of the Dead in in English. People should

2931
02:49:12,600 --> 02:49:14,879
Speaker 1: check it out if they want a different spooky film

2932
02:49:14,879 --> 02:49:18,600
Speaker 1: towards his Halloween. So let's talk about the Valley of

2933
02:49:18,640 --> 02:49:22,120
Speaker 1: the Fallen. It was built under Franco's direction as kind

2934
02:49:22,120 --> 02:49:25,000
Speaker 1: of this national act of atonement for the Civil war,

2935
02:49:25,200 --> 02:49:28,160
Speaker 1: and at first he said it was going to be

2936
02:49:28,959 --> 02:49:32,320
Speaker 1: memorial to both sides, so that's like Valley of the Fallen.

2937
02:49:32,959 --> 02:49:34,960
Speaker 1: But well, first it was supposed to be a memorial

2938
02:49:35,000 --> 02:49:38,800
Speaker 1: to the martyrs of his glorious crusade against the Reds,

2939
02:49:38,840 --> 02:49:43,879
Speaker 1: against Adlinism, against Satanism, against all the things that are

2940
02:49:43,920 --> 02:49:47,600
Speaker 1: bad according to Franco's but it wasn't. Really, it was

2941
02:49:47,680 --> 02:49:51,720
Speaker 1: just a giant monument of Franco's national Catholic ideology, which

2942
02:49:51,800 --> 02:49:53,840
Speaker 1: kind of fuses in Nhure and the church in this

2943
02:49:53,879 --> 02:49:58,160
Speaker 1: one massive ball of terrible ship. It's designed in the

2944
02:49:58,160 --> 02:50:01,400
Speaker 1: neoclassical style, which fascists of fascist loves the neo classical

2945
02:50:01,440 --> 02:50:04,959
Speaker 1: style because they can like draw these direct lines between

2946
02:50:05,040 --> 02:50:09,160
Speaker 1: themselves and the empires of antiquity, right and except without

2947
02:50:09,160 --> 02:50:13,000
Speaker 1: the fucking paint, because their cowards and fools look white

2948
02:50:13,000 --> 02:50:17,359
Speaker 1: because they're tiny babies. This is true. Yeah, yeah, they

2949
02:50:17,440 --> 02:50:20,199
Speaker 1: never did the thing where they like bedazzled their statues

2950
02:50:20,360 --> 02:50:23,360
Speaker 1: like the Greeks and the Romans did. Most of shame,

2951
02:50:23,440 --> 02:50:25,640
Speaker 1: someone should bust in there with some glitter spray paint

2952
02:50:25,720 --> 02:50:30,000
Speaker 1: and tarted up a bit. I haven't done that, unfortunately.

2953
02:50:30,040 --> 02:50:34,320
Speaker 1: Look returned to tradition. Make your statues look cringe. Yeah,

2954
02:50:34,360 --> 02:50:38,359
Speaker 1: that's how they're supposed to look. Don't worry, the statues

2955
02:50:38,400 --> 02:50:44,080
Speaker 1: do look cringe, but unfortunately they're not shiny, which is disappointing.

2956
02:50:44,120 --> 02:50:46,920
Speaker 1: It it's built of granite, though, which I guess is

2957
02:50:47,320 --> 02:50:51,440
Speaker 1: kind of a return to tradition. It was built very

2958
02:50:51,520 --> 02:50:55,240
Speaker 1: near the Escoriale, which is like the resting place and

2959
02:50:55,760 --> 02:50:59,520
Speaker 1: palace of the Kings of Spain, and that's because Franco

2960
02:50:59,640 --> 02:51:03,640
Speaker 1: wants to row a link between himself and Philip the Second. Right.

2961
02:51:03,720 --> 02:51:07,400
Speaker 1: Philip the Second was the King of Spain, who, at

2962
02:51:07,480 --> 02:51:10,480
Speaker 1: the time that he ruled, ruled every continent that was

2963
02:51:10,560 --> 02:51:14,800
Speaker 1: known to European people, or ruled territory, and which is great,

2964
02:51:14,800 --> 02:51:17,959
Speaker 1: which is not a problem, of course, it's in fact

2965
02:51:17,959 --> 02:51:22,440
Speaker 1: good and an inbred old Spanish dude was ruling over

2966
02:51:22,480 --> 02:51:26,160
Speaker 1: places that he couldn't really conceive of and had never visited,

2967
02:51:26,200 --> 02:51:29,640
Speaker 1: and there are no problems with that, okay. So work

2968
02:51:29,720 --> 02:51:33,360
Speaker 1: begins on Vadlos Cairos in y right, it's a year

2969
02:51:33,400 --> 02:51:36,200
Speaker 1: after the end of the Spanish Civil War, and Franco

2970
02:51:36,400 --> 02:51:38,440
Speaker 1: decrees that he's going to make this memorial to the

2971
02:51:38,440 --> 02:51:43,040
Speaker 1: glorious national crusade against the Reds, and unbelievably he wanted

2972
02:51:43,080 --> 02:51:47,400
Speaker 1: work to be finished in a year, which obviously he's

2973
02:51:47,440 --> 02:51:50,400
Speaker 1: not operating in like reality because he's a piece of ship.

2974
02:51:50,840 --> 02:51:55,920
Speaker 1: But it took twenty years to build, right, So it

2975
02:51:56,040 --> 02:52:03,200
Speaker 1: was off by yeah, big construction, understand Francisco Franco. And

2976
02:52:03,360 --> 02:52:08,080
Speaker 1: like King Philip, he could have plunder the entire labor

2977
02:52:08,120 --> 02:52:11,480
Speaker 1: and capital of the America's to build his folly, and

2978
02:52:11,520 --> 02:52:15,440
Speaker 1: instead he relied on the forced labor of about twenty

2979
02:52:15,520 --> 02:52:21,280
Speaker 1: thousand prisoners of war. These were former Republicans, right, and

2980
02:52:21,320 --> 02:52:24,920
Speaker 1: they were forced to build a church. Obviously, many of

2981
02:52:24,959 --> 02:52:28,840
Speaker 1: them did not like the church, and we're not really

2982
02:52:28,959 --> 02:52:32,400
Speaker 1: very fond of building what is now the biggest Catholic

2983
02:52:32,440 --> 02:52:34,600
Speaker 1: cathed in the world actually, and it has the biggest

2984
02:52:34,640 --> 02:52:37,039
Speaker 1: cross in the world, which it shocked me that the

2985
02:52:37,040 --> 02:52:39,320
Speaker 1: biggest cross in the world wasn't in the United States,

2986
02:52:41,520 --> 02:52:43,920
Speaker 1: but I'm sure Ted Cruz is actively working on it

2987
02:52:43,959 --> 02:52:48,760
Speaker 1: as we speak. Yeah. I feel like if you walked

2988
02:52:48,760 --> 02:52:51,240
Speaker 1: around my hometown and told people at the biggest cross

2989
02:52:51,240 --> 02:52:53,320
Speaker 1: in the world was a Catholic one, they would immediately

2990
02:52:53,320 --> 02:52:58,040
Speaker 1: spent twenty trillion dollars building a bigger one. Yeah, I mean,

2991
02:52:58,280 --> 02:53:00,960
Speaker 1: the only thing that could convince them defund the police

2992
02:53:01,000 --> 02:53:06,760
Speaker 1: would be yeah, yeah, owning the Catholic cross. Maybe we

2993
02:53:06,800 --> 02:53:09,520
Speaker 1: should put that, we should enter that into the discourse

2994
02:53:09,600 --> 02:53:16,080
Speaker 1: on true social or something that Franco, of course, is

2995
02:53:16,160 --> 02:53:18,600
Speaker 1: not the only person buried there. Right right next to

2996
02:53:18,640 --> 02:53:21,320
Speaker 1: Franco in the center of the Basilica is his friend

2997
02:53:21,440 --> 02:53:26,600
Speaker 1: Jossi Antonio Primo de ri Veda. U Primo died exactly

2998
02:53:26,680 --> 02:53:31,680
Speaker 1: thirty nine years before Franco on the twenty November and

2999
02:53:31,760 --> 02:53:33,960
Speaker 1: he died because he was killed by the Republicans, which

3000
02:53:34,000 --> 02:53:38,320
Speaker 1: is based on good and and he has just little

3001
02:53:38,360 --> 02:53:42,920
Speaker 1: gravestone there next to Franco, which of course has not

3002
02:53:43,000 --> 02:53:47,240
Speaker 1: created any problems. After Spain it sort of began to

3003
02:53:47,320 --> 02:53:51,360
Speaker 1: transition to democracy and Franco died. It's of course not

3004
02:53:51,400 --> 02:53:54,840
Speaker 1: a bad thing to put a giant monument to fascism

3005
02:53:54,879 --> 02:53:57,600
Speaker 1: and francois m and nobody is going to turn up

3006
02:53:57,640 --> 02:54:02,600
Speaker 1: there and do a fascism in the years afterwards. Oh yeah,

3007
02:54:02,760 --> 02:54:07,039
Speaker 1: it's a little bit unfortunate. So there's every day at

3008
02:54:07,080 --> 02:54:11,200
Speaker 1: eleven o'clock a priest says a mass, and at the

3009
02:54:11,360 --> 02:54:15,800
Speaker 1: mass you can generally find old people who will sort

3010
02:54:15,840 --> 02:54:18,840
Speaker 1: of mill around for a while and then quietly start

3011
02:54:18,879 --> 02:54:24,720
Speaker 1: doing fascist salute, which is not which is not great. Yeah,

3012
02:54:25,120 --> 02:54:27,640
Speaker 1: to be comfortable first, yeah, well you got yeah, you

3013
02:54:27,640 --> 02:54:31,080
Speaker 1: gotta get like, you gotta example the vibes, and then

3014
02:54:31,280 --> 02:54:34,000
Speaker 1: do a fascism and the vibes here are probably not great.

3015
02:54:34,879 --> 02:54:38,560
Speaker 1: They also have acquire any acquire of small children who

3016
02:54:39,600 --> 02:54:44,880
Speaker 1: sing why because fucking what? Because everything about this is cursed.

3017
02:54:45,680 --> 02:54:48,640
Speaker 1: There's a film, there's a film about these old children

3018
02:54:48,680 --> 02:54:53,000
Speaker 1: who go to a quote unquote traditional school at the Basilica,

3019
02:54:53,480 --> 02:54:55,720
Speaker 1: which I can imagine it's great, and they learn all

3020
02:54:55,800 --> 02:54:58,600
Speaker 1: kinds of wonderful things about critical race theory. Yeah. So

3021
02:54:58,640 --> 02:55:01,320
Speaker 1: the priest also says a for the fate of Spain

3022
02:55:01,879 --> 02:55:07,400
Speaker 1: and the blessed blessed Martyrs, which really really is wonderful

3023
02:55:07,600 --> 02:55:11,320
Speaker 1: and perhaps points in the direction of the complicity of

3024
02:55:11,360 --> 02:55:14,200
Speaker 1: the Catholic Church in looks of the war crimes that

3025
02:55:14,240 --> 02:55:17,720
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about today. Second consecutive episode where

3026
02:55:17,720 --> 02:55:20,680
Speaker 1: the Catholic Church possible for the whole thing. Wow, I

3027
02:55:20,720 --> 02:55:24,680
Speaker 1: can't believe the Catholics did anything bad. No, it's shocking,

3028
02:55:24,800 --> 02:55:27,760
Speaker 1: isn't it, given their history of being kind and good

3029
02:55:27,879 --> 02:55:33,200
Speaker 1: and generally respectful towards people they disagree with. So true, James, Yeah,

3030
02:55:33,520 --> 02:55:37,240
Speaker 1: no problems with the Catholic Church. So this particular church

3031
02:55:37,480 --> 02:55:40,840
Speaker 1: is hun It's just a giant hole in a granite ridge,

3032
02:55:40,959 --> 02:55:43,680
Speaker 1: right again, a giant hole cup by the Fourth labor

3033
02:55:43,720 --> 02:55:48,160
Speaker 1: of Prisoners of War. It's called the Value the Fallen

3034
02:55:48,200 --> 02:55:52,240
Speaker 1: because today it houses the remains of about thirty three

3035
02:55:52,280 --> 02:55:56,200
Speaker 1: thousand people. And this is what makes it the biggest

3036
02:55:56,240 --> 02:55:59,640
Speaker 1: mass grave in the world. Right. The monuments register includes

3037
02:55:59,720 --> 02:56:03,760
Speaker 1: many of their names, and it has the motto kaidos

3038
02:56:03,800 --> 02:56:09,200
Speaker 1: portiosi Espana so fallen for God in Spain, which conveniently

3039
02:56:09,440 --> 02:56:12,560
Speaker 1: overlooks the fact that most of the people there didn't

3040
02:56:12,560 --> 02:56:14,920
Speaker 1: like God very much and really didn't like the version

3041
02:56:14,920 --> 02:56:17,800
Speaker 1: of Spain as being presented here either, right, because the

3042
02:56:17,879 --> 02:56:20,880
Speaker 1: vast majority of them were Republicans, people who would fought

3043
02:56:20,879 --> 02:56:24,360
Speaker 1: against Franco's idea of Spain and the civil war, and

3044
02:56:24,520 --> 02:56:27,320
Speaker 1: the bodies that came there really kind of came there

3045
02:56:27,400 --> 02:56:30,920
Speaker 1: in two distinct waves. And so, like I said, Spain

3046
02:56:31,000 --> 02:56:35,199
Speaker 1: has about a hundred and fourteen thousand odd people who

3047
02:56:35,480 --> 02:56:39,440
Speaker 1: are buried in unidentified grades. Right. The vast majority of

3048
02:56:39,440 --> 02:56:43,240
Speaker 1: these people are Republicans who were killed by Franco his forces,

3049
02:56:43,280 --> 02:56:48,039
Speaker 1: but some of them are not. Some of them are Francoists, Catholics,

3050
02:56:48,400 --> 02:56:53,760
Speaker 1: Carlist other like right wing fascist type people who were

3051
02:56:53,840 --> 02:56:58,119
Speaker 1: killed by the Republicans. Right now, the bulk of those

3052
02:56:58,160 --> 02:57:02,280
Speaker 1: people were dug up and I identified by the Francois

3053
02:57:02,400 --> 02:57:04,440
Speaker 1: regime in the time that he was in power, and

3054
02:57:04,520 --> 02:57:06,800
Speaker 1: many of them were moved to the value of the

3055
02:57:06,800 --> 02:57:10,760
Speaker 1: Fallen and they're identified there. But the majority of the

3056
02:57:10,800 --> 02:57:14,879
Speaker 1: people in the Valley of the Fallen were Republican people

3057
02:57:15,400 --> 02:57:20,160
Speaker 1: whose remains were taken without their consent from mass graves

3058
02:57:20,560 --> 02:57:25,240
Speaker 1: where they were victims of Franco's terror right, and they

3059
02:57:25,240 --> 02:57:28,400
Speaker 1: were moved to the value of the Fallen to be

3060
02:57:28,520 --> 02:57:34,600
Speaker 1: some kind of like weird pyramid sacrifice ritual. I don't

3061
02:57:34,640 --> 02:57:38,320
Speaker 1: have a a complete grasp of Catholicism, but I certainly

3062
02:57:38,320 --> 02:57:42,640
Speaker 1: don't understand this ship two sort of I don't know,

3063
02:57:42,800 --> 02:57:49,279
Speaker 1: make make Franco's temple more like spectacular and it's very strange.

3064
02:57:49,320 --> 02:57:52,600
Speaker 1: It's it's it's very cruel, right. I want to quote

3065
02:57:53,360 --> 02:57:56,920
Speaker 1: from the BBC article in two thousand and eleven that

3066
02:57:57,040 --> 02:57:59,800
Speaker 1: was written about one of these people, Jorge val Rico

3067
02:58:00,320 --> 02:58:03,520
Speaker 1: so Um Joe Vardrico Canales, was taken from his home

3068
02:58:03,600 --> 02:58:06,080
Speaker 1: in August n six in the middle of the night

3069
02:58:06,640 --> 02:58:10,080
Speaker 1: and shot by a Fascist execution squad. His town had

3070
02:58:10,080 --> 02:58:12,440
Speaker 1: fallen to the uprising and he had been singled out

3071
02:58:12,480 --> 02:58:16,240
Speaker 1: as a socialist in nineteen fifty nine. His remains were

3072
02:58:16,320 --> 02:58:18,600
Speaker 1: dug from a well and moved to the Valley of

3073
02:58:18,640 --> 02:58:22,240
Speaker 1: the Fallen. More than thirty thousand warded from both sides

3074
02:58:22,240 --> 02:58:26,560
Speaker 1: of transferred there on Franco's orders. For me, it's excruciatingly

3075
02:58:26,600 --> 02:58:29,080
Speaker 1: painful that my father's remained from a place built to

3076
02:58:29,120 --> 02:58:32,520
Speaker 1: the glory of the victors in the military coups Fausto, Canales.

3077
02:58:33,160 --> 02:58:36,720
Speaker 1: It feels like a double crime. First when he was executed,

3078
02:58:37,280 --> 02:58:39,520
Speaker 1: then when they moved his body without our permission to

3079
02:58:39,600 --> 02:58:45,160
Speaker 1: a place, which is totally inappropriate. H So that experienced

3080
02:58:45,200 --> 02:58:51,360
Speaker 1: Sally is far from uncommon, right between three, Like I said,

3081
02:58:51,400 --> 02:58:54,680
Speaker 1: about thirty thousand, these graves were dug up. Lots of

3082
02:58:54,760 --> 02:58:59,400
Speaker 1: these were like shallow roadside's graves. They were wells Some

3083
02:58:59,520 --> 02:59:02,680
Speaker 1: people were buried in graveyards and they were transferred to

3084
02:59:02,800 --> 02:59:06,680
Speaker 1: the valley. Sometimes they weren't transferred in their entirety. Incidentally,

3085
02:59:07,640 --> 02:59:13,000
Speaker 1: that's like they did. These mass graves are not well organized.

3086
02:59:14,640 --> 02:59:18,440
Speaker 1: So like to perhaps give some context here, like these

3087
02:59:18,760 --> 02:59:21,680
Speaker 1: they began in Spain began exhuming these mass graves in

3088
02:59:22,240 --> 02:59:24,880
Speaker 1: two thousand seven. Right, there was a historical memory law

3089
02:59:24,959 --> 02:59:29,320
Speaker 1: past h and they're often just just jumbles of corpses

3090
02:59:29,360 --> 02:59:31,520
Speaker 1: and bones. Right, some of these mass graves contain like

3091
02:59:31,600 --> 02:59:35,320
Speaker 1: a thousand people. I don't imagine them being like, hey,

3092
02:59:35,400 --> 02:59:37,280
Speaker 1: we're going to do a mass grave, now, you know

3093
02:59:37,320 --> 02:59:40,240
Speaker 1: what I mean like there was kind of digging a

3094
02:59:40,280 --> 02:59:43,800
Speaker 1: hole putting bodies in it. Yeah, yeah, it's fair to say. Yeah,

3095
02:59:43,800 --> 02:59:46,880
Speaker 1: no one made a good plan, which is unfortunate, isn't it.

3096
02:59:47,040 --> 02:59:50,800
Speaker 1: But yeah, they like they would were they would get

3097
02:59:50,800 --> 02:59:53,600
Speaker 1: all the people who they identified as socialist or feminist

3098
02:59:53,800 --> 02:59:57,080
Speaker 1: or otherwise objectionable to their vision of spanishness and then

3099
02:59:57,160 --> 02:59:58,880
Speaker 1: kill them all. Yeah, and then put them in a hole.

3100
02:59:59,680 --> 03:00:01,760
Speaker 1: He because they consider them to be less in human

3101
03:00:02,640 --> 03:00:05,160
Speaker 1: and they seemingly seem to have like dived into the

3102
03:00:05,200 --> 03:00:07,200
Speaker 1: hole and grab some bits and pieces and move them

3103
03:00:07,240 --> 03:00:09,800
Speaker 1: to the value of the fallen at some point. Wait,

3104
03:00:09,879 --> 03:00:12,960
Speaker 1: so wait, we like how are did okay? Like? Like

3105
03:00:13,080 --> 03:00:16,480
Speaker 1: what what actually? Like? How are like the bodies in

3106
03:00:16,560 --> 03:00:18,920
Speaker 1: the Valley of the Fallen like held? Like what arere they?

3107
03:00:18,959 --> 03:00:21,480
Speaker 1: Just like are they in like caskets? They just dump

3108
03:00:21,560 --> 03:00:25,120
Speaker 1: them in another hole? No, there are like there are

3109
03:00:25,320 --> 03:00:27,920
Speaker 1: like various it seems that there are various different like

3110
03:00:28,000 --> 03:00:30,800
Speaker 1: some of them are in these little stone there are

3111
03:00:30,879 --> 03:00:34,280
Speaker 1: like these little stone tomb looking things. But I don't

3112
03:00:34,320 --> 03:00:37,360
Speaker 1: think that those actually contain the remains. I think they're

3113
03:00:37,400 --> 03:00:40,800
Speaker 1: in these various pits. So they just it's it's another

3114
03:00:41,520 --> 03:00:44,560
Speaker 1: they moved from one mass grade another mass grade that

3115
03:00:44,640 --> 03:00:47,400
Speaker 1: they build a sacrifice temple over. Yeah, so they're now

3116
03:00:47,560 --> 03:00:52,840
Speaker 1: beginning to exhume the already exhumed bodies front that. So

3117
03:00:52,959 --> 03:00:55,680
Speaker 1: they're now digging up the valley of the fallen right

3118
03:00:56,520 --> 03:01:00,160
Speaker 1: to to identify these remains and Catalonia. How is a

3119
03:01:00,280 --> 03:01:02,680
Speaker 1: d N a registry? So if you believe that you're

3120
03:01:03,080 --> 03:01:07,040
Speaker 1: it would be like people of our generations grandparents. If

3121
03:01:07,080 --> 03:01:09,640
Speaker 1: you believe that your grandparents are in a mass grave,

3122
03:01:09,720 --> 03:01:13,000
Speaker 1: that they were disappeared, then you can register your DNA

3123
03:01:13,200 --> 03:01:17,080
Speaker 1: And they tested against the mass graves that they're excuming. Well,

3124
03:01:17,680 --> 03:01:20,160
Speaker 1: so that's how they that's how they identify people. And

3125
03:01:21,200 --> 03:01:23,760
Speaker 1: Christian Do you know what won't dig a mass grave

3126
03:01:23,840 --> 03:01:32,640
Speaker 1: and throw your grandparents in it? I cannot. Yeah, Black

3127
03:01:32,800 --> 03:01:35,680
Speaker 1: Rifle Coffee Company. Well I was just gonna go with

3128
03:01:35,720 --> 03:01:43,520
Speaker 1: Coca Cola. But well that's three options and we're back. Hopefully.

3129
03:01:43,920 --> 03:01:46,800
Speaker 1: There was no reference to mass graves in those adverts,

3130
03:01:46,840 --> 03:01:50,440
Speaker 1: but we can't promise you that. Sadly, they also can't

3131
03:01:50,440 --> 03:01:53,600
Speaker 1: promise you that there's mass graves they didn't talk about. Yeah,

3132
03:01:53,720 --> 03:01:57,560
Speaker 1: that's probably more likely, isn't it. Anyway, Enjoy that advert

3133
03:01:57,600 --> 03:02:02,360
Speaker 1: for Nestle. Moving on, some of these mass graves have

3134
03:02:02,560 --> 03:02:05,560
Speaker 1: been identified by a Spanish nonprofit group called Innovation and

3135
03:02:05,720 --> 03:02:08,879
Speaker 1: Human Rights, and they actually have this incredible data set

3136
03:02:09,240 --> 03:02:12,520
Speaker 1: specifically on the Valley of the Fallen where you can

3137
03:02:12,640 --> 03:02:15,560
Speaker 1: look up the location of the corpses that are there, right,

3138
03:02:15,640 --> 03:02:20,440
Speaker 1: so like where did these where the of the remains

3139
03:02:20,440 --> 03:02:22,520
Speaker 1: that have been identified from, where where do they come?

3140
03:02:22,640 --> 03:02:27,040
Speaker 1: And three thousand, nine d and two corpses. That's about

3141
03:02:27,360 --> 03:02:30,880
Speaker 1: seventy bus loads of dead people. If you want to

3142
03:02:31,000 --> 03:02:35,360
Speaker 1: imagine that they came from this small town of Taigona,

3143
03:02:35,360 --> 03:02:37,880
Speaker 1: which is where I used to live. That's that's not

3144
03:02:38,040 --> 03:02:39,720
Speaker 1: a big town. I was trying to think of like

3145
03:02:39,800 --> 03:02:41,920
Speaker 1: a California town to contextualize it by it, but I

3146
03:02:42,000 --> 03:02:44,320
Speaker 1: think most people would have heard of town sets more.

3147
03:02:45,080 --> 03:02:51,680
Speaker 1: I this despite being a pretty rural area. The camp

3148
03:02:51,760 --> 03:02:55,640
Speaker 1: to Tarragon that contain contributed about of the corpses that

3149
03:02:55,720 --> 03:02:58,720
Speaker 1: remain in the valley, and that's probably because it's part

3150
03:02:58,760 --> 03:03:04,000
Speaker 1: of Catalonia. Catalonia was Spain is a multi national state,

3151
03:03:04,560 --> 03:03:07,160
Speaker 1: so there are lots of nations within Spain, like Catalonia

3152
03:03:07,160 --> 03:03:08,800
Speaker 1: and the bas Country being the ones that people are

3153
03:03:08,840 --> 03:03:13,600
Speaker 1: most familiar with franco particularly hated Catalan separatists, and so

3154
03:03:13,840 --> 03:03:18,040
Speaker 1: as part of this ongoing punishment of Catalonia for like

3155
03:03:18,200 --> 03:03:22,400
Speaker 1: trying to leave Spain during the Civil War, the franco

3156
03:03:22,560 --> 03:03:24,600
Speaker 1: Is dug up the remains of the people they'd already

3157
03:03:24,680 --> 03:03:27,560
Speaker 1: murdered and moved them to a long way from Catalonia.

3158
03:03:27,760 --> 03:03:32,720
Speaker 1: Right the Vaidelis Gilos is near Madrid. Conditions for people

3159
03:03:32,760 --> 03:03:36,240
Speaker 1: who built the valley were pretty appalling to the workers

3160
03:03:36,360 --> 03:03:40,680
Speaker 1: and their families lived in these shacks. According to archaeologists

3161
03:03:40,720 --> 03:03:43,480
Speaker 1: who exhume them last year, Famili has lived in nine

3162
03:03:43,800 --> 03:03:46,959
Speaker 1: square sharks with no water electricity. They made shoes out

3163
03:03:47,000 --> 03:03:50,279
Speaker 1: of old tires, and they had no windows or no heating.

3164
03:03:51,080 --> 03:03:54,080
Speaker 1: Their beds were made of stone, and they and their

3165
03:03:54,160 --> 03:03:59,240
Speaker 1: children suffered from malnutrition. It's it's not particularly rare for

3166
03:03:59,320 --> 03:04:02,000
Speaker 1: people to have offered from malnutrition in Spain after the

3167
03:04:02,040 --> 03:04:05,240
Speaker 1: Civil War, this period was called the Years of Hunger.

3168
03:04:05,879 --> 03:04:10,320
Speaker 1: But even so, it seems like there was particular cruelty

3169
03:04:10,879 --> 03:04:13,840
Speaker 1: applied to these people, many of whom were serving sentences

3170
03:04:13,920 --> 03:04:18,359
Speaker 1: for things like forming unions or forming student political movements.

3171
03:04:18,480 --> 03:04:22,160
Speaker 1: Right like that, they were like they hadn't done anything wrong,

3172
03:04:22,640 --> 03:04:25,880
Speaker 1: that they were the victims of a totalitarian state. So

3173
03:04:26,000 --> 03:04:30,720
Speaker 1: one of those people is Nicolas Sanchez al Bognos. He

3174
03:04:30,879 --> 03:04:35,080
Speaker 1: was interviewed being a Catalan newspaper and Nathionale and he

3175
03:04:35,920 --> 03:04:40,320
Speaker 1: talks a lot about his memories there, and incidentally, he

3176
03:04:40,640 --> 03:04:43,160
Speaker 1: escaped after a few months with the help of Norman

3177
03:04:43,240 --> 03:04:51,400
Speaker 1: Mailer's sister. Yeah, yeah, yeah, based. She's incredibly based, actually,

3178
03:04:51,920 --> 03:04:54,800
Speaker 1: like yeah, she she like helped him escape and then

3179
03:04:54,920 --> 03:05:01,040
Speaker 1: ferried him across the Pyrenees to France, where he escaped

3180
03:05:01,080 --> 03:05:04,840
Speaker 1: into exile and Argentina lived for decades. And the only

3181
03:05:04,920 --> 03:05:07,000
Speaker 1: good well, okay, I was gonna I was gonna make

3182
03:05:07,040 --> 03:05:11,800
Speaker 1: an only good Argentinia and exile joke, but probably probably

3183
03:05:11,920 --> 03:05:14,280
Speaker 1: is actually genuinely worth mentioning that a lot, like a

3184
03:05:14,360 --> 03:05:16,520
Speaker 1: lot of people who were Jews fled to Argentina to

3185
03:05:16,680 --> 03:05:19,920
Speaker 1: like right before wor War two, and that's a huge thing.

3186
03:05:20,040 --> 03:05:23,400
Speaker 1: And you get people like calling them Nazis because they're

3187
03:05:23,480 --> 03:05:25,640
Speaker 1: fucking dumb as ship and it's like, guys, come fucking

3188
03:05:25,680 --> 03:05:28,760
Speaker 1: like if you can't teble between the Nazi and the

3189
03:05:28,800 --> 03:05:31,600
Speaker 1: people they were killing, like please stop. Okay, this has

3190
03:05:31,600 --> 03:05:34,600
Speaker 1: been my interlude about people doing this ship because oh

3191
03:05:34,680 --> 03:05:38,280
Speaker 1: my god, yeah, maybe maybe don't cast his persions, maybe

3192
03:05:38,640 --> 03:05:42,080
Speaker 1: do a little bit of reading first, and so yeah,

3193
03:05:42,080 --> 03:05:43,560
Speaker 1: a lot of people, a lot of them end up

3194
03:05:43,560 --> 03:05:49,320
Speaker 1: in in Argentine exile. Actually, ironically, Argentina also claimed universal jurisdiction.

3195
03:05:50,760 --> 03:05:53,680
Speaker 1: So what we've seen in the last few years, it's

3196
03:05:53,760 --> 03:05:59,080
Speaker 1: like Spanish historical memory groups trying to trying to get

3197
03:05:59,200 --> 03:06:03,680
Speaker 1: people who perpetrated crimes against humanity under Franco extradited to

3198
03:06:03,840 --> 03:06:07,960
Speaker 1: Argentina to be questioned, which which is also very funny

3199
03:06:08,160 --> 03:06:11,800
Speaker 1: given that Argentina has his own legacy of crimes against humanity, right,

3200
03:06:12,560 --> 03:06:16,320
Speaker 1: and Spain does his ship too. Actually, Spain claims universal jurisdiction,

3201
03:06:16,920 --> 03:06:19,440
Speaker 1: and we'll try and like extradite people who have done

3202
03:06:19,480 --> 03:06:23,959
Speaker 1: crimes against humanity in formerly colonized countries without Spain has

3203
03:06:24,000 --> 03:06:26,760
Speaker 1: not faced up to its own crimes against his own population.

3204
03:06:26,879 --> 03:06:29,560
Speaker 1: You know, I will say, I am entirely down for

3205
03:06:29,720 --> 03:06:32,760
Speaker 1: like intentionally starting some sort of like Spain Argentina like

3206
03:06:32,879 --> 03:06:35,280
Speaker 1: ship fast where both of them like get piste off

3207
03:06:35,280 --> 03:06:37,440
Speaker 1: with each other and start trying each other's war criminals.

3208
03:06:37,879 --> 03:06:40,760
Speaker 1: That's really funny. I would be better, I would be

3209
03:06:40,879 --> 03:06:43,960
Speaker 1: even more impressed to see, Um, are you familiar with

3210
03:06:44,040 --> 03:06:51,680
Speaker 1: who Balfava Thorn is? See that weird prosecutor guy? Yes, yes, yes, yeah,

3211
03:06:52,280 --> 03:06:55,800
Speaker 1: who tried to who tried to try US officials for

3212
03:06:55,879 --> 03:07:00,880
Speaker 1: crimes against humanity for the things they did at Guantanamobey. Yeah,

3213
03:07:00,920 --> 03:07:03,400
Speaker 1: it would be outstanding. I would love to see like

3214
03:07:03,600 --> 03:07:06,160
Speaker 1: Spain and the United States come to blows over like

3215
03:07:06,280 --> 03:07:10,760
Speaker 1: their respective crimes against humanity. It would be wonderful, Sandy,

3216
03:07:10,920 --> 03:07:13,400
Speaker 1: And like in Iraq too, I think he like, um,

3217
03:07:14,200 --> 03:07:17,000
Speaker 1: what was it called that? The do they call it

3218
03:07:17,120 --> 03:07:20,400
Speaker 1: enhanced interrogation techniques that they were using when they were

3219
03:07:20,440 --> 03:07:23,600
Speaker 1: like electrocuting people and such. Yeah, so like he tried

3220
03:07:23,640 --> 03:07:26,880
Speaker 1: to prosecute people for that. Sadly, like everything else in Spain,

3221
03:07:27,240 --> 03:07:29,360
Speaker 1: he strayed a little bit too close to looking at

3222
03:07:29,400 --> 03:07:33,760
Speaker 1: the corruption of the Spanish state and lost his position,

3223
03:07:34,879 --> 03:07:37,680
Speaker 1: which is a shame. He did some pretty chuddy ship himself,

3224
03:07:37,760 --> 03:07:41,039
Speaker 1: Like he very clearly presided over trials where people had

3225
03:07:41,200 --> 03:07:45,240
Speaker 1: very clearly been tortured and was just like, oh, that's

3226
03:07:45,280 --> 03:07:48,000
Speaker 1: interesting to see you in the witness box giving this testimony.

3227
03:07:48,080 --> 03:07:49,720
Speaker 1: I'm not going to note the fact that you've like

3228
03:07:50,200 --> 03:07:54,560
Speaker 1: very clearly been beaten to ship with a ninth stick. Yeah,

3229
03:07:54,840 --> 03:07:59,240
Speaker 1: Spain a country with no problems famously and so yeah,

3230
03:08:00,480 --> 03:08:05,080
Speaker 1: Albernos escapes. Actually there's a film called the Los Angeles Barbaros,

3231
03:08:05,280 --> 03:08:11,360
Speaker 1: the Barbara's Years, I guess, the Barbarian Years, which which

3232
03:08:12,360 --> 03:08:14,400
Speaker 1: looks at his escape, and he was one of only

3233
03:08:14,440 --> 03:08:18,600
Speaker 1: two people to be escaped. But people died building the

3234
03:08:18,720 --> 03:08:21,640
Speaker 1: Valley of the Fallen right and then were buried there

3235
03:08:21,720 --> 03:08:27,240
Speaker 1: in this weird monument to to Francoism. So, like I said,

3236
03:08:27,760 --> 03:08:33,240
Speaker 1: Spain really hasn't dealt with its legacy of of mass

3237
03:08:33,320 --> 03:08:36,000
Speaker 1: murder right um. And it never really had a Truth

3238
03:08:36,040 --> 03:08:39,480
Speaker 1: and Reconciliation commission, never really dealt with the amount of

3239
03:08:39,560 --> 03:08:45,440
Speaker 1: people murdered after the war. Um. And it's really only

3240
03:08:45,520 --> 03:08:47,800
Speaker 1: in the last like ten or fifteen years at Spain

3241
03:08:47,920 --> 03:08:51,160
Speaker 1: has begun digging up these mass graves. So um. And

3242
03:08:51,280 --> 03:08:56,160
Speaker 1: the Pedro Sanchez and the Socialist government they've they've begun

3243
03:08:56,440 --> 03:08:58,520
Speaker 1: doing more to deal with this. In two thousand and

3244
03:08:58,640 --> 03:09:01,760
Speaker 1: seven and earlier at his Sourcils government passes thing called

3245
03:09:01,800 --> 03:09:05,440
Speaker 1: the Law for Historical Memory, and the Law Historical Memory

3246
03:09:05,640 --> 03:09:08,440
Speaker 1: funded and the Recovery of the memory of the Civil

3247
03:09:08,480 --> 03:09:14,840
Speaker 1: war right, and you can draw very obvious parallels between

3248
03:09:14,879 --> 03:09:16,720
Speaker 1: how Spain has dealt with its civil war and its

3249
03:09:16,760 --> 03:09:19,560
Speaker 1: tradition to democracy and how the United States has dealt

3250
03:09:19,600 --> 03:09:23,320
Speaker 1: with its civil war right, and you will see like

3251
03:09:23,440 --> 03:09:26,240
Speaker 1: that there is um do you got do you know

3252
03:09:26,320 --> 03:09:29,840
Speaker 1: what voxes? Yeah, they're they're like the insane for a

3253
03:09:29,959 --> 03:09:35,000
Speaker 1: right party in Spain, Yes, and so fucking cringe, holy shit,

3254
03:09:35,160 --> 03:09:37,160
Speaker 1: even for the standards of our right parties, Like oh

3255
03:09:37,240 --> 03:09:44,120
Speaker 1: my fucking god, god, yeah, do they wear silly outfits? Yeah,

3256
03:09:44,200 --> 03:09:45,920
Speaker 1: I would imagine, so I don't. I don't think. I

3257
03:09:45,959 --> 03:09:47,640
Speaker 1: don't think there's ever been a picture of them, like

3258
03:09:47,800 --> 03:09:50,920
Speaker 1: where they haven't been in like the weirdest looking ship.

3259
03:09:51,080 --> 03:09:54,920
Speaker 1: Because occasionally some of the like Spanish fascists, were some

3260
03:09:55,240 --> 03:09:59,160
Speaker 1: pretty gay outfits. And it's really funny. Are you talking

3261
03:09:59,240 --> 03:10:02,480
Speaker 1: about the the phone legion, the ones who were like

3262
03:10:03,680 --> 03:10:06,640
Speaker 1: if Tom of Finland created a military Yes, yes, that

3263
03:10:06,800 --> 03:10:09,880
Speaker 1: is exactly who I'm referring to. Yeah, okay, yeah, they

3264
03:10:10,160 --> 03:10:12,840
Speaker 1: are not so much like outright fascists as a fashy

3265
03:10:12,920 --> 03:10:19,080
Speaker 1: military unit, but yes, yeah, it's I know, yeah, absolute

3266
03:10:19,160 --> 03:10:23,040
Speaker 1: first trap. Just like if people should google photos, if

3267
03:10:23,080 --> 03:10:25,840
Speaker 1: they haven't seen them. It'll occasionally pop up on like

3268
03:10:26,360 --> 03:10:28,920
Speaker 1: Twitter or something where people will find these incredibly butch

3269
03:10:29,040 --> 03:10:31,960
Speaker 1: dudes who like, like, it's not that they've unbuttoned their

3270
03:10:32,000 --> 03:10:34,680
Speaker 1: shirts just so just that their pecks are ripping out

3271
03:10:34,720 --> 03:10:37,199
Speaker 1: of their ship. No, it's their shirts are not equipped

3272
03:10:37,280 --> 03:10:42,000
Speaker 1: with buttons because ye like to be in that unit,

3273
03:10:42,120 --> 03:10:45,000
Speaker 1: you have to be so incredibly buff that you you

3274
03:10:45,120 --> 03:10:48,920
Speaker 1: start buttoning your shirt from the navel down, and which,

3275
03:10:49,000 --> 03:10:51,879
Speaker 1: to be fair, is more appropriate in Spain. I remember,

3276
03:10:52,000 --> 03:10:54,640
Speaker 1: like I used to teach in Spain and then I

3277
03:10:54,720 --> 03:10:56,600
Speaker 1: taught in the United States and like coming back and

3278
03:10:56,680 --> 03:10:58,560
Speaker 1: being like, oh, I really have to change the way

3279
03:10:58,600 --> 03:11:03,600
Speaker 1: I dress to be appropriate for an American audience. Yeah,

3280
03:11:03,680 --> 03:11:06,520
Speaker 1: the to get back to mass graves and away from

3281
03:11:06,680 --> 03:11:12,360
Speaker 1: tactical first traps. The what Spain didn't have right was

3282
03:11:12,680 --> 03:11:16,480
Speaker 1: like Franco didn't get hung upside down from a gas

3283
03:11:16,520 --> 03:11:19,240
Speaker 1: station and beaten with sticks in the face. Right, more's

3284
03:11:19,320 --> 03:11:22,879
Speaker 1: the shame. There's still time, right, his body, his body

3285
03:11:22,920 --> 03:11:26,920
Speaker 1: is still available for beating. You know, maybe maybe they

3286
03:11:26,920 --> 03:11:30,880
Speaker 1: wouldn't be the worst thing. But Spain never really faced

3287
03:11:30,920 --> 03:11:34,960
Speaker 1: its past, right. So in seven and amnesty law was passed,

3288
03:11:35,000 --> 03:11:38,280
Speaker 1: which prevented any criminal investigation into the crimes committed in

3289
03:11:38,320 --> 03:11:42,520
Speaker 1: the Franco years. Um statues of Franco some of them

3290
03:11:42,560 --> 03:11:46,080
Speaker 1: were not moved until like the last five or ten years,

3291
03:11:46,120 --> 03:11:49,040
Speaker 1: and when they were removed, and it was like the

3292
03:11:49,160 --> 03:11:51,040
Speaker 1: government just went in in the night and scooped them

3293
03:11:51,120 --> 03:11:54,000
Speaker 1: up and no one really said anything and then they

3294
03:11:54,040 --> 03:11:58,720
Speaker 1: were gone. And so like Spain has only really really

3295
03:11:58,800 --> 03:12:02,160
Speaker 1: recently entered into this period like that we call its

3296
03:12:02,240 --> 03:12:09,640
Speaker 1: second transition, and that's like it's transition from Spain began

3297
03:12:09,680 --> 03:12:12,680
Speaker 1: transitioning to democracy in right, but what we call the

3298
03:12:12,760 --> 03:12:16,520
Speaker 1: period after that, it's more of a post dictatorship then,

3299
03:12:16,800 --> 03:12:21,640
Speaker 1: like a complete democratic transition in Spain was still processing

3300
03:12:22,280 --> 03:12:25,800
Speaker 1: as you can see, right, many of its crimes under Franco,

3301
03:12:25,920 --> 03:12:29,080
Speaker 1: and it's it's really only begun to process those in

3302
03:12:29,160 --> 03:12:32,800
Speaker 1: the last few years. So that gets us up to

3303
03:12:34,240 --> 03:12:38,760
Speaker 1: the oh that I think election of Pedro Sanche's right

3304
03:12:38,760 --> 03:12:45,800
Speaker 1: in the Socialist government and um their decision to exhume Franco. Right,

3305
03:12:45,840 --> 03:12:48,520
Speaker 1: So Franco's Franco's lying in this monument. Right, it's the

3306
03:12:48,520 --> 03:12:51,400
Speaker 1: biggest mass grave in the world. And on the day

3307
03:12:51,440 --> 03:12:55,200
Speaker 1: of his death on the twenty February every year. It's

3308
03:12:55,560 --> 03:12:58,840
Speaker 1: it's a gathering place for fascists. Right, So Franco and

3309
03:12:58,959 --> 03:13:01,960
Speaker 1: Primo daily Vera both died on the same day, and

3310
03:13:03,760 --> 03:13:06,400
Speaker 1: fascists and casualists both love this this kind of weird

3311
03:13:06,480 --> 03:13:14,400
Speaker 1: spiritual magic shit and really really yeah yeah, I've heard,

3312
03:13:14,720 --> 03:13:18,480
Speaker 1: I know there are some books about it apparently, uh

3313
03:13:18,560 --> 03:13:23,440
Speaker 1: huh yeah, okay, so yeah, it's said that both of

3314
03:13:23,520 --> 03:13:26,600
Speaker 1: them have a fundness for this stuff. So then both

3315
03:13:26,680 --> 03:13:29,080
Speaker 1: dying on the same day, it's an extremely fucking cursed

3316
03:13:29,200 --> 03:13:34,240
Speaker 1: thing that has led to sucks. Mm hmm. It sucks

3317
03:13:34,280 --> 03:13:36,320
Speaker 1: if you if you ever have to go near this

3318
03:13:36,360 --> 03:13:39,360
Speaker 1: place on the twenty November, which I don't recommend. Oh god,

3319
03:13:39,400 --> 03:13:42,480
Speaker 1: I could only imagine that must be well, that must

3320
03:13:42,480 --> 03:13:45,680
Speaker 1: be the worst time. Yeah, because it's all because it's

3321
03:13:45,720 --> 03:13:53,560
Speaker 1: all of the nerdiest Nazis like yeah, it's like yeah, yeah,

3322
03:13:53,680 --> 03:13:57,640
Speaker 1: it's like if if like nerdy like Nazi internet people

3323
03:13:57,720 --> 03:14:00,480
Speaker 1: had a real life place to gather and just do

3324
03:14:00,720 --> 03:14:04,920
Speaker 1: fucking fascist salutes, that sounds like it sounds horrible. The

3325
03:14:05,000 --> 03:14:08,920
Speaker 1: fascist with a calendar like no, yeah, the calendar who's

3326
03:14:08,959 --> 03:14:15,240
Speaker 1: like into praying. It's like, yeah, really really really into praying.

3327
03:14:16,520 --> 03:14:19,360
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just gonna say this, if the if

3328
03:14:19,400 --> 03:14:21,560
Speaker 1: the anarchists were in charge of you wouldn't be having

3329
03:14:21,760 --> 03:14:27,560
Speaker 1: fucking stupid, cringe pray fascist meetings. This can be prevented,

3330
03:14:28,120 --> 03:14:32,280
Speaker 1: then can rise a third time. Sure, but it is

3331
03:14:32,480 --> 03:14:34,480
Speaker 1: the nerdiest thing ever to think about a fascist like

3332
03:14:34,600 --> 03:14:38,280
Speaker 1: updating their Google calendar being like, yeah, for all their

3333
03:14:38,360 --> 03:14:42,520
Speaker 1: spiritual holidays where their leaders died, why do they always

3334
03:14:42,560 --> 03:14:45,320
Speaker 1: celebrate the day that their leaders died. It's always the

3335
03:14:45,400 --> 03:14:50,840
Speaker 1: weirdest for us. It's a death cut, right, like, like,

3336
03:14:51,520 --> 03:14:54,240
Speaker 1: like their leader dying, is this is the moment when

3337
03:14:54,280 --> 03:14:57,280
Speaker 1: they finally expressed the pure core of fascism. That's true.

3338
03:14:57,400 --> 03:14:59,840
Speaker 1: That that's actually a really good observation that actually is

3339
03:15:00,879 --> 03:15:04,000
Speaker 1: is more on the point than what it should be, right, Yeah,

3340
03:15:04,280 --> 03:15:10,960
Speaker 1: immortalizing them on that day, yeah, I mean was the

3341
03:15:11,120 --> 03:15:18,440
Speaker 1: slogan of the did the African the African Army, Like yeah,

3342
03:15:18,560 --> 03:15:20,520
Speaker 1: I think it spains for a legion actually like long

3343
03:15:20,600 --> 03:15:23,720
Speaker 1: lived death. And they called themselves like, yes, that is

3344
03:15:23,760 --> 03:15:27,120
Speaker 1: their slogan. They called themselves the what's it called the

3345
03:15:27,400 --> 03:15:31,400
Speaker 1: Fiances of Death. Yeah, they're they're they're all gay because

3346
03:15:31,400 --> 03:15:34,920
Speaker 1: they're all married to death, which is pretty metal. They're

3347
03:15:34,920 --> 03:15:37,039
Speaker 1: also kind of fashy. But yeah, that that that does

3348
03:15:37,160 --> 03:15:42,920
Speaker 1: really showcase the whole death cult aspect of fascism. Yeah,

3349
03:15:43,160 --> 03:15:46,880
Speaker 1: you know, you know what it isn't a gay necromancer again,

3350
03:15:46,959 --> 03:15:51,039
Speaker 1: we can't promise. I wish, I wish we could advertise

3351
03:15:51,160 --> 03:15:56,960
Speaker 1: some more recollect I would, I would be in my element. Yeah,

3352
03:15:57,000 --> 03:15:58,600
Speaker 1: I've just done an ad read for a couple of them.

3353
03:15:58,640 --> 03:16:00,880
Speaker 1: Actually I should have should have. Let you know, I

3354
03:16:01,240 --> 03:16:03,680
Speaker 1: am the so jealous. That's all, that's all I want

3355
03:16:03,720 --> 03:16:07,240
Speaker 1: out of life. Yeah, please enjoy these gay necromanty products

3356
03:16:07,240 --> 03:16:10,120
Speaker 1: and services. Okay, we're back. I hope you enjoyed that

3357
03:16:10,160 --> 03:16:13,960
Speaker 1: as much as we did. So. The incredibly cringe and

3358
03:16:14,200 --> 03:16:18,920
Speaker 1: just boomerie fascist cerelevation on Franco's death and Primo de

3359
03:16:19,080 --> 03:16:23,840
Speaker 1: Rivera's death on November always happened at the Vidloskidis, right,

3360
03:16:23,840 --> 03:16:26,320
Speaker 1: they would turn up in two thousand and ten Spain

3361
03:16:26,440 --> 03:16:30,480
Speaker 1: band like fascist symbolism. But this hasn't really stopped fascist

3362
03:16:30,560 --> 03:16:33,680
Speaker 1: doing fascist symbolism right, including bringing there for land flags,

3363
03:16:34,520 --> 03:16:39,240
Speaker 1: giving it the fascist salute, marching and to just generally

3364
03:16:39,360 --> 03:16:44,600
Speaker 1: doing like cringe like where where like our OTC cosplay

3365
03:16:44,680 --> 03:16:49,080
Speaker 1: meet meets the Catholic Church stuff on the twenty November

3366
03:16:49,120 --> 03:16:52,680
Speaker 1: of a year at Franco's grave and like there are

3367
03:16:52,760 --> 03:16:56,120
Speaker 1: always flowers on Franco's grave, Like you can't go there

3368
03:16:56,200 --> 03:17:00,800
Speaker 1: on a given day and not find someone like lamenting

3369
03:17:00,879 --> 03:17:02,680
Speaker 1: the fact that Franco is dead and they can no

3370
03:17:02,800 --> 03:17:07,320
Speaker 1: longer just disappear people they disagree with. Right It's ship

3371
03:17:08,440 --> 03:17:12,680
Speaker 1: And so incidentally an amusing sort of side effect of

3372
03:17:12,760 --> 03:17:15,600
Speaker 1: this with that, do you remember the storm Area fifty

3373
03:17:15,680 --> 03:17:23,760
Speaker 1: one like Facebook thing? Yeah? Yeah, the right Area challenge

3374
03:17:23,959 --> 03:17:28,120
Speaker 1: like last year or two years ago, yeah, three years ago,

3375
03:17:28,879 --> 03:17:33,080
Speaker 1: I didn't a lot longer ago. It does it? Also

3376
03:17:33,440 --> 03:17:37,040
Speaker 1: it also feels like a very thing. Yeah. So the

3377
03:17:37,120 --> 03:17:42,160
Speaker 1: Spanish version of this was Invade via los Cailos, with

3378
03:17:42,320 --> 03:17:45,240
Speaker 1: the slogan that like if the state, the state can't

3379
03:17:45,240 --> 03:17:54,360
Speaker 1: get him, if we get him first. I don't think

3380
03:17:54,440 --> 03:17:57,080
Speaker 1: this was an anarchist attempt to steal his body, but

3381
03:17:57,320 --> 03:18:00,320
Speaker 1: like massive respect of it was I think to some

3382
03:18:00,760 --> 03:18:03,720
Speaker 1: extremely online people doing something that they thought was and

3383
03:18:03,879 --> 03:18:09,480
Speaker 1: actually is funny, which is yeah, like unfortunately it didn't

3384
03:18:09,560 --> 03:18:12,560
Speaker 1: really come too much because they plan to do this

3385
03:18:12,600 --> 03:18:18,240
Speaker 1: on the twenty November and in October, Franco's body was

3386
03:18:18,400 --> 03:18:21,280
Speaker 1: removed from the Valley of the Fallen. Okay, see this,

3387
03:18:21,480 --> 03:18:22,959
Speaker 1: this is this is the thing with all of these things.

3388
03:18:22,959 --> 03:18:24,680
Speaker 1: That's the same thing with the fucking stuff cony thing.

3389
03:18:24,760 --> 03:18:27,400
Speaker 1: Like the problem that all of these groups have if

3390
03:18:27,440 --> 03:18:29,160
Speaker 1: they want to do is they always set their date

3391
03:18:29,280 --> 03:18:33,240
Speaker 1: too far out, Like you gotta give it like max.

3392
03:18:33,320 --> 03:18:35,000
Speaker 1: It has to be like two weeks out, because if

3393
03:18:35,280 --> 03:18:39,880
Speaker 1: it's any longer than that, you momentum, Yeah, you get scooped.

3394
03:18:40,200 --> 03:18:41,920
Speaker 1: So look, I if you, if you, if you, if

3395
03:18:41,959 --> 03:18:43,720
Speaker 1: you want to seize the body of a dead dictator

3396
03:18:43,760 --> 03:18:46,560
Speaker 1: and throw them into a canal, you have to move fast.

3397
03:18:46,959 --> 03:18:53,240
Speaker 1: And that's why I'm announcing that for for November nineteenth.

3398
03:18:53,320 --> 03:18:56,680
Speaker 1: We're all now, we probably shouldn't go to Russia to

3399
03:18:57,440 --> 03:18:59,760
Speaker 1: have fun with trotsky body. Should be Yeah, we're going.

3400
03:19:00,000 --> 03:19:03,760
Speaker 1: He's Trotsky's body in Russia. Yeah, I thought so. I know.

3401
03:19:03,879 --> 03:19:07,800
Speaker 1: I've seen back from Mexico. I have had I've had

3402
03:19:07,959 --> 03:19:11,880
Speaker 1: friends that have gone places to make fun of Trotsky's body. Um,

3403
03:19:13,320 --> 03:19:17,360
Speaker 1: len his body. Lenning's body is up for grabs, like okay,

3404
03:19:17,520 --> 03:19:22,000
Speaker 1: it's just sitting there. Well, I think we should start small.

3405
03:19:22,320 --> 03:19:25,240
Speaker 1: Let's encourage the fans of the podcast between now and

3406
03:19:25,360 --> 03:19:28,440
Speaker 1: what we got right, but now in eleventh of November, right,

3407
03:19:28,760 --> 03:19:33,200
Speaker 1: go after Papa doctor Valier, get get him start you

3408
03:19:33,280 --> 03:19:37,360
Speaker 1: know that, and then move on from there. Okay, it

3409
03:19:37,560 --> 03:19:41,080
Speaker 1: is it's in Mexico. Yeah, you're right closer to the

3410
03:19:41,200 --> 03:19:44,520
Speaker 1: sort of geographical heartland, and we don't need to go

3411
03:19:44,600 --> 03:19:47,480
Speaker 1: into a war zone. So yeah, and the middle of November,

3412
03:19:47,560 --> 03:19:52,360
Speaker 1: we're all going to be going going to Mexico road trip. Yep, yeah,

3413
03:19:52,440 --> 03:19:54,200
Speaker 1: let's go. You know, I will say there is something

3414
03:19:54,280 --> 03:19:58,440
Speaker 1: genuinely interesting here about the way that like, okay, so

3415
03:19:59,320 --> 03:20:01,880
Speaker 1: you look at sort of fascisms, sorry, you look at

3416
03:20:01,920 --> 03:20:03,880
Speaker 1: fascism's death drive in the way that it's sort of

3417
03:20:03,879 --> 03:20:06,440
Speaker 1: like treats these money means to death. And then like

3418
03:20:06,680 --> 03:20:08,400
Speaker 1: you look at the way that every single sort of

3419
03:20:08,480 --> 03:20:12,760
Speaker 1: like like all of this say, socialist regimes, Like it's

3420
03:20:12,800 --> 03:20:14,440
Speaker 1: not so much that they have a death drive, but

3421
03:20:14,520 --> 03:20:17,160
Speaker 1: it's like they're like all of them. Like I learned

3422
03:20:17,200 --> 03:20:19,520
Speaker 1: this recently, Like so I knew that they didn't too,

3423
03:20:19,640 --> 03:20:22,280
Speaker 1: that they'd like embalmed Stalin, right, and like well they

3424
03:20:22,320 --> 03:20:27,520
Speaker 1: involved Lenin, they embalm maw. Yeah. They they also learned

3425
03:20:27,520 --> 03:20:30,160
Speaker 1: they did it to Chi Minh too. It's like it's

3426
03:20:30,160 --> 03:20:31,600
Speaker 1: like they did it's like all of these people, and

3427
03:20:31,640 --> 03:20:34,080
Speaker 1: it's like there there's there's this sort of weird, like

3428
03:20:35,040 --> 03:20:40,040
Speaker 1: almost in version of it where it's like like fascism

3429
03:20:40,160 --> 03:20:41,720
Speaker 1: is based sort of on like you know, like on

3430
03:20:41,800 --> 03:20:44,359
Speaker 1: on the sort of totalizing worship of death, whereas Stalinism

3431
03:20:44,480 --> 03:20:46,240
Speaker 1: is like it has this kind of inversion of it

3432
03:20:46,280 --> 03:20:49,160
Speaker 1: where it's like it's based on like a kind of

3433
03:20:49,240 --> 03:20:53,760
Speaker 1: like eternal life for their leaders in this also incredibly

3434
03:20:53,840 --> 03:20:56,680
Speaker 1: bizarre way. And then when it be like all of

3435
03:20:56,760 --> 03:21:00,840
Speaker 1: Europe is determined by previous like talitarian legions, but there's

3436
03:21:00,879 --> 03:21:04,640
Speaker 1: there's something, there's something orthodox about the way they've done

3437
03:21:04,680 --> 03:21:07,879
Speaker 1: the dead Russian dudes. So I want to talk about

3438
03:21:07,879 --> 03:21:09,400
Speaker 1: Franco's corpse a little bit, and then I want to

3439
03:21:09,480 --> 03:21:11,520
Speaker 1: end with something else, because I don't want to just

3440
03:21:11,600 --> 03:21:14,280
Speaker 1: focus on Spanish fascists because they suck and I hate them,

3441
03:21:14,879 --> 03:21:17,760
Speaker 1: and I am sad that they are not all dead,

3442
03:21:17,840 --> 03:21:21,920
Speaker 1: but Franco is. So Franco's family weren't allowed to use

3443
03:21:22,000 --> 03:21:26,000
Speaker 1: the Spanish flag on his coffin. Yeah, so instead they

3444
03:21:26,080 --> 03:21:29,199
Speaker 1: fucking got the Franco with flag, right, the old nationalist flag,

3445
03:21:29,280 --> 03:21:32,880
Speaker 1: which because they have filth, they did that. Instead, they

3446
03:21:32,959 --> 03:21:35,720
Speaker 1: carried his coffin onto a helicopter. They flew in by

3447
03:21:35,760 --> 03:21:41,160
Speaker 1: helicopter to Madrid, where the services provided over by a

3448
03:21:41,280 --> 03:21:44,080
Speaker 1: priest who is the son of Lieutenant Colonel Antonio to

3449
03:21:44,160 --> 03:21:47,400
Speaker 1: head on Molina, the man who led the failed Night

3450
03:21:47,560 --> 03:21:51,800
Speaker 1: One coup that attempted to topple spaine young democracy. And

3451
03:21:52,640 --> 03:21:55,200
Speaker 1: great to see this continuation of these elites, right like,

3452
03:21:55,520 --> 03:21:57,840
Speaker 1: this is a this is a country which has of

3453
03:21:57,920 --> 03:22:02,240
Speaker 1: course moved on completely from its civil warren dictatorship. On

3454
03:22:02,320 --> 03:22:05,600
Speaker 1: the post off side, Franco is now buried with his wife,

3455
03:22:06,360 --> 03:22:08,880
Speaker 1: and he is very near to Luis Carrero Blanco, who

3456
03:22:09,040 --> 03:22:12,520
Speaker 1: people will remember as a podcast alumni in Spain's first astronaut.

3457
03:22:13,920 --> 03:22:17,600
Speaker 1: And so I was going to quote Vox, but I

3458
03:22:17,680 --> 03:22:22,160
Speaker 1: won't because they fucking suck and now wants you quote Fox.

3459
03:22:22,760 --> 03:22:26,160
Speaker 1: You should just like throw fruit at them, And I

3460
03:22:26,240 --> 03:22:30,760
Speaker 1: think that's like that's not an actionable threat, right, just sure, sure,

3461
03:22:31,480 --> 03:22:33,959
Speaker 1: don't throw like any fruit sort of potentially lethal, right,

3462
03:22:34,040 --> 03:22:37,240
Speaker 1: like like a large watermelon or something potentially fatal, like

3463
03:22:37,360 --> 03:22:41,200
Speaker 1: just a banana or if you know, the Vox representatives

3464
03:22:41,240 --> 03:22:43,240
Speaker 1: like allergic to a fruit you throw at them and

3465
03:22:43,280 --> 03:22:45,920
Speaker 1: gets on their face and they die and it gets

3466
03:22:45,959 --> 03:22:49,160
Speaker 1: blamed on James. We all get taken into a year's

3467
03:22:49,240 --> 03:22:51,840
Speaker 1: long lawsuit and then we all lose their jobs. Don't

3468
03:22:51,840 --> 03:22:55,040
Speaker 1: do that. Don't do that. No blame someone else for that.

3469
03:22:55,320 --> 03:22:58,640
Speaker 1: You can if you are directing the police to me

3470
03:22:58,800 --> 03:23:01,160
Speaker 1: in Spain, they can to take me by Twitter DM

3471
03:23:01,200 --> 03:23:05,360
Speaker 1: by Twitter is at at chopped at Chapel Trappers, That's

3472
03:23:05,400 --> 03:23:10,959
Speaker 1: where you can find me. Yeah, yeah, it sell traps. Okay.

3473
03:23:11,640 --> 03:23:17,040
Speaker 1: So of course Fox make exactly the same bullshit destroying

3474
03:23:17,120 --> 03:23:19,680
Speaker 1: history argument and the Confederates make in the United States.

3475
03:23:19,760 --> 03:23:23,200
Speaker 1: It doesn't make them anymore right because they're in fact wrong.

3476
03:23:23,959 --> 03:23:29,440
Speaker 1: But incidentally, someone else died on November and that is

3477
03:23:29,520 --> 03:23:34,160
Speaker 1: one boilivant duty right. Unlike Franco, he's not buried in

3478
03:23:34,240 --> 03:23:38,320
Speaker 1: a monument made both fucking slaves. He's buried alongside other

3479
03:23:38,360 --> 03:23:42,440
Speaker 1: anarchists in in Barcelona. You can visit his grave there.

3480
03:23:43,160 --> 03:23:45,520
Speaker 1: It's very cool. You can always meet interesting people hanging

3481
03:23:45,600 --> 03:23:48,960
Speaker 1: around his grave. And if you're in Bathonia you should

3482
03:23:48,959 --> 03:23:51,960
Speaker 1: do it. Rutty died in the middle of the Battle

3483
03:23:51,959 --> 03:23:56,720
Speaker 1: of Madrid, like so many other Spanish anarchists. He died.

3484
03:23:57,800 --> 03:24:00,960
Speaker 1: It's lunclear actually if he died because some and negligently

3485
03:24:01,040 --> 03:24:04,080
Speaker 1: discharged their own weapon into his back, and which seems

3486
03:24:04,080 --> 03:24:06,440
Speaker 1: to be the most likely case, or leading a frontal

3487
03:24:06,520 --> 03:24:09,080
Speaker 1: charge on a machine gun, which which is how so

3488
03:24:09,240 --> 03:24:13,119
Speaker 1: many Spanish anarchists died because they were so utterly convinced

3489
03:24:13,200 --> 03:24:16,560
Speaker 1: of their incredible like and they're not wrong either, they

3490
03:24:16,600 --> 03:24:20,240
Speaker 1: were right about most things, but like you get, their

3491
03:24:20,280 --> 03:24:24,080
Speaker 1: willingness to die for anarchism was perhaps a little bit problematic. Well,

3492
03:24:24,120 --> 03:24:25,600
Speaker 1: I mean this is this is like a thing across

3493
03:24:25,600 --> 03:24:27,160
Speaker 1: the whole history of anarchism, like like part one of

3494
03:24:27,200 --> 03:24:28,840
Speaker 1: the reasons that the Russian Revolution went the way they

3495
03:24:28,959 --> 03:24:31,640
Speaker 1: did was that, like it's like the sort of like

3496
03:24:31,760 --> 03:24:34,120
Speaker 1: first crop of Russian anarchists, like the moment the White

3497
03:24:34,120 --> 03:24:36,000
Speaker 1: are formed immediately just went to the front lines and

3498
03:24:36,040 --> 03:24:38,560
Speaker 1: all got killed and like Lenning and meanwhile letting in

3499
03:24:38,640 --> 03:24:42,680
Speaker 1: Trotsky are like fucking chilling and letting like sucking Patrick

3500
03:24:42,680 --> 03:24:45,879
Speaker 1: Grad being like yeah, which exactly what happened in Spain,

3501
03:24:46,080 --> 03:24:49,960
Speaker 1: right like Ferrara, all these people like get to the

3502
03:24:50,040 --> 03:24:55,279
Speaker 1: front lines and immediately start killing fascists. Meanwhile tanky people.

3503
03:24:56,360 --> 03:24:59,800
Speaker 1: I was gonna say something else, um, like spending that

3504
03:25:00,040 --> 03:25:02,760
Speaker 1: time plotting and scheming to from becoming a completely fucking

3505
03:25:02,760 --> 03:25:06,440
Speaker 1: irrelevant political force in Spain to taking over in a

3506
03:25:06,560 --> 03:25:09,480
Speaker 1: year and a half because they are the only people

3507
03:25:09,480 --> 03:25:12,640
Speaker 1: are willing to provide weapons and many of the anarchists

3508
03:25:12,640 --> 03:25:15,960
Speaker 1: are dead. What were you going to call take people?

3509
03:25:16,240 --> 03:25:20,119
Speaker 1: I can't what were you going to call? Take people?

3510
03:25:24,320 --> 03:25:26,800
Speaker 1: It just makes me angry, and it's just gonna just

3511
03:25:27,200 --> 03:25:33,840
Speaker 1: that's that is that is an ovisive answer, etcetera. Yeah,

3512
03:25:34,160 --> 03:25:36,720
Speaker 1: it's just gonna say scum or filth or British swear

3513
03:25:37,360 --> 03:25:40,960
Speaker 1: I can't use on the podcast because of fans American people,

3514
03:25:41,520 --> 03:25:45,600
Speaker 1: which is fine. Um, yeah, it's disappointing. I don't want

3515
03:25:45,640 --> 03:25:51,440
Speaker 1: to be canceled by work mob. Okay, yeah he did

3516
03:25:51,480 --> 03:25:56,400
Speaker 1: Australian moments. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. I nearly went full Australian, which,

3517
03:25:56,560 --> 03:25:59,200
Speaker 1: like I've done it before on television and it just

3518
03:25:59,280 --> 03:26:03,840
Speaker 1: doesn't end well, all right? Uh in Spanish not English

3519
03:26:04,840 --> 03:26:08,400
Speaker 1: which also Spanish wordy November in Spain this year it

3520
03:26:08,400 --> 03:26:10,400
Speaker 1: will be like what three weeks when people are listening

3521
03:26:10,440 --> 03:26:14,160
Speaker 1: to this some fascist ship head. If you live in

3522
03:26:14,200 --> 03:26:17,600
Speaker 1: a town in Spain will be walking around doing shitty

3523
03:26:17,680 --> 03:26:20,920
Speaker 1: fascist things, and people who live in Spain of course

3524
03:26:21,000 --> 03:26:22,960
Speaker 1: very aware of this, but I wanted to finish it

3525
03:26:23,040 --> 03:26:25,960
Speaker 1: said with another thing that anti fascists in Spain doing November.

3526
03:26:26,640 --> 03:26:29,960
Speaker 1: So on the fifteenth of November this year, anti fascists

3527
03:26:29,959 --> 03:26:32,760
Speaker 1: all over Spain will be gathering to remember fifteen years

3528
03:26:32,840 --> 03:26:37,440
Speaker 1: without Carlos Palomino. People might not know who Carlos Palomino is,

3529
03:26:37,680 --> 03:26:40,320
Speaker 1: but I want to very briefly recap his story to

3530
03:26:40,440 --> 03:26:43,320
Speaker 1: finish up. So on the eleventh of November two thousand

3531
03:26:43,400 --> 03:26:46,520
Speaker 1: and seven, Carlos Palomino and about a hundred other anti

3532
03:26:46,600 --> 03:26:49,840
Speaker 1: fascists got on the subway in Madrid to counter protest

3533
03:26:49,879 --> 03:26:53,240
Speaker 1: a right wing rally and Luca, an immigrant neighborhood that's

3534
03:26:53,280 --> 03:26:56,760
Speaker 1: home to mcgrid's Chinatown today. On the train on the

3535
03:26:56,800 --> 03:26:58,760
Speaker 1: way there, he ran into a twenty year old Spanish

3536
03:26:58,840 --> 03:27:04,840
Speaker 1: soldier or say hoss ware estebanners uh Estebanez was dressed

3537
03:27:04,840 --> 03:27:07,360
Speaker 1: in clothes I I don't want to talk about the

3538
03:27:07,360 --> 03:27:11,240
Speaker 1: brand actually because you shouldn't hype market Nazis, but the

3539
03:27:11,800 --> 03:27:14,520
Speaker 1: clothes showed that he was a far right skinhead. Right

3540
03:27:15,440 --> 03:27:20,879
Speaker 1: Carlos Palomino notices Estebanners, takes offense at Carlos Palomino, noting

3541
03:27:21,040 --> 03:27:27,280
Speaker 1: his Nazi clothes, and stabs him with a machette. Yeah,

3542
03:27:27,640 --> 03:27:31,320
Speaker 1: he stabbed someone else as well, but unfortunately, Carlos dies

3543
03:27:31,360 --> 03:27:34,360
Speaker 1: pretty quickly. He was sixteen years old at the time

3544
03:27:34,400 --> 03:27:37,600
Speaker 1: of his death. He was the only child of his mother,

3545
03:27:37,760 --> 03:27:39,760
Speaker 1: and he lived with his mom, who was separated from

3546
03:27:39,800 --> 03:27:43,120
Speaker 1: his dad and his grandmother. And it affected his mother,

3547
03:27:43,360 --> 03:27:45,840
Speaker 1: as one can imagine, pretty terribly right the loss of

3548
03:27:46,080 --> 03:27:49,560
Speaker 1: loss of her young son, and as a result, his

3549
03:27:49,680 --> 03:27:52,800
Speaker 1: mother has become a prominent anti fascist activist in Spain.

3550
03:27:53,879 --> 03:27:57,000
Speaker 1: She founded the Association of the Victims of Fascist, racist

3551
03:27:57,080 --> 03:28:01,520
Speaker 1: and Homophobic Violence, and ten years after his death, a

3552
03:28:01,560 --> 03:28:04,960
Speaker 1: thousand people turned out and a memorial to him, and

3553
03:28:05,720 --> 03:28:09,080
Speaker 1: ever like ever since he died, every year you'll see

3554
03:28:09,120 --> 03:28:13,280
Speaker 1: these massive rallies in Spain of anti fascists. If you've

3555
03:28:13,400 --> 03:28:16,360
Speaker 1: ever seen do you remember, like a year or so ago,

3556
03:28:16,480 --> 03:28:18,400
Speaker 1: there was this video going around trip and there was

3557
03:28:18,400 --> 03:28:22,280
Speaker 1: a group of people chanting like a kiss anti fascist US.

3558
03:28:22,640 --> 03:28:26,800
Speaker 1: Here are the anti fascists. I see such videos on

3559
03:28:26,840 --> 03:28:29,280
Speaker 1: Twitter all the time, so I don't I don't, I

3560
03:28:29,320 --> 03:28:32,480
Speaker 1: don't know it like, it gained relevance among people who

3561
03:28:32,760 --> 03:28:36,640
Speaker 1: I've never seen engaging with Spain in any before. And

3562
03:28:36,760 --> 03:28:41,119
Speaker 1: it was a huge rally one thousands of people came

3563
03:28:41,160 --> 03:28:44,119
Speaker 1: out to remember him, and I'm sure thousands of people

3564
03:28:44,160 --> 03:28:48,560
Speaker 1: will this year too, Like we've Spain's like it's Spain's

3565
03:28:48,640 --> 03:28:50,560
Speaker 1: right for a long time tried to couch itself in

3566
03:28:50,680 --> 03:28:53,320
Speaker 1: terms of the neoliberal center right. Yes, so like the

3567
03:28:53,400 --> 03:28:57,040
Speaker 1: Partio Popular would see itself in terms of like maybe

3568
03:28:57,080 --> 03:29:01,320
Speaker 1: the Tories in Britain or Editories are pretty pretty mental,

3569
03:29:01,959 --> 03:29:04,760
Speaker 1: but like this this kind of neoliberal European right. Yeah,

3570
03:29:04,800 --> 03:29:10,279
Speaker 1: and it it broadly sort of wanted to see itself

3571
03:29:10,320 --> 03:29:14,720
Speaker 1: as part of this like post fascist European right. But

3572
03:29:15,000 --> 03:29:18,720
Speaker 1: in recent years it's just taken this this swing towards

3573
03:29:18,800 --> 03:29:21,920
Speaker 1: the hard right, like Vox has emerged, and even the

3574
03:29:21,959 --> 03:29:24,880
Speaker 1: Partido Popular, which would have seen itself as like neoliberal right,

3575
03:29:25,080 --> 03:29:28,480
Speaker 1: have tried to like outbox Vox and they're now like

3576
03:29:29,160 --> 03:29:33,760
Speaker 1: just openly standing Francoism again. And in this climate, anti

3577
03:29:33,800 --> 03:29:38,480
Speaker 1: Fancism has also seen itself resurgent. I guess we're an

3578
03:29:38,480 --> 03:29:41,040
Speaker 1: anti fascist identities in Spain and more relevant or more

3579
03:29:41,360 --> 03:29:45,240
Speaker 1: common than they would have been ten fift twenty years

3580
03:29:45,280 --> 03:29:49,120
Speaker 1: ago something like that. And as a result, these memorials

3581
03:29:49,160 --> 03:29:50,920
Speaker 1: for Carlos who become bigger and bigger for a year,

3582
03:29:51,120 --> 03:29:54,160
Speaker 1: and so I wanted to end with a letter his

3583
03:29:54,400 --> 03:29:57,520
Speaker 1: mum rate to global anti fascist collectives in two thousand

3584
03:29:57,520 --> 03:30:01,400
Speaker 1: and eleven in our memor reason, all the anti fascist

3585
03:30:01,440 --> 03:30:04,120
Speaker 1: victims will always exist who are fighting for a world

3586
03:30:04,160 --> 03:30:07,400
Speaker 1: of equality, dignity, freedom and social rights were killed by

3587
03:30:07,440 --> 03:30:11,120
Speaker 1: the ideas of intolerance and fascism. The memory will exist

3588
03:30:11,360 --> 03:30:13,960
Speaker 1: for all those victims who, due to their different cultures,

3589
03:30:14,000 --> 03:30:17,760
Speaker 1: religions or sexual orientations, were murdered by the same murdering

3590
03:30:17,879 --> 03:30:21,840
Speaker 1: hands who hate those who are different. Now it's time

3591
03:30:21,920 --> 03:30:24,680
Speaker 1: to continue working against hate. That is the best tribute

3592
03:30:24,720 --> 03:30:27,520
Speaker 1: Weekend offer. Their struggles were not in vain. We will

3593
03:30:27,560 --> 03:30:30,440
Speaker 1: continue the path, although they are no longer with us

3594
03:30:30,920 --> 03:30:34,120
Speaker 1: in every action of anti fascist struggle. They're inside and

3595
03:30:34,200 --> 03:30:37,120
Speaker 1: in each and every one of our hearts, which I

3596
03:30:37,160 --> 03:30:40,640
Speaker 1: thought was really poignant. His mother is amazing. Yeah, this

3597
03:30:40,720 --> 03:30:44,280
Speaker 1: whole thing fucking breaks me. Like I was think this

3598
03:30:44,400 --> 03:30:46,200
Speaker 1: was a time when like I too, was being a

3599
03:30:46,280 --> 03:30:50,280
Speaker 1: teenage anti fascist in Spain, and this is someone who's

3600
03:30:50,480 --> 03:30:55,960
Speaker 1: like almost exactly my age and obviously isn't alive anymore.

3601
03:30:56,959 --> 03:30:59,960
Speaker 1: And yeah, i'd encourage people to read more about him.

3602
03:31:01,320 --> 03:31:05,400
Speaker 1: I normally share these events on social media when they happen.

3603
03:31:06,480 --> 03:31:09,120
Speaker 1: And yeah, this is extremely sad and continues to be

3604
03:31:09,200 --> 03:31:13,040
Speaker 1: extremely sad because Spain refuses to face up to its past,

3605
03:31:13,080 --> 03:31:16,600
Speaker 1: the dictatorship. You can look at where Franco's grave is,

3606
03:31:17,200 --> 03:31:19,920
Speaker 1: organized a protest and execute it within two weeks and

3607
03:31:19,959 --> 03:31:22,280
Speaker 1: toss him in the river if you want to be

3608
03:31:22,400 --> 03:31:26,520
Speaker 1: very proud of you. That is absolutely a legal thing

3609
03:31:26,640 --> 03:31:31,640
Speaker 1: to do. And I would be prosecuted in Spain, but yeah,

3610
03:31:32,320 --> 03:31:36,000
Speaker 1: it did. Any Spain has prosecuted everyone from sucking clowns

3611
03:31:36,080 --> 03:31:40,800
Speaker 1: to puppeteers. Now it's now, it's serious. When you start

3612
03:31:40,879 --> 03:31:42,960
Speaker 1: coming out of the clowns is when I I start

3613
03:31:43,040 --> 03:31:46,200
Speaker 1: getting personally consulted. We need to do our episode on

3614
03:31:46,320 --> 03:31:49,160
Speaker 1: clown Block soon, don't we? We do? I can put

3615
03:31:49,200 --> 03:31:55,000
Speaker 1: on I have clown block right behind me, okay, yeah,

3616
03:31:55,400 --> 03:31:58,400
Speaker 1: and then the British police will send someone undercover in

3617
03:31:58,440 --> 03:32:02,520
Speaker 1: your clown movement for five year is who will marry

3618
03:32:02,720 --> 03:32:06,480
Speaker 1: one of you? And let me let me be a

3619
03:32:06,560 --> 03:32:10,280
Speaker 1: silly gesture, leave me alone, Nope, not in Britain. It's

3620
03:32:10,320 --> 03:32:21,359
Speaker 1: a crime, all right. Uh, okay, that's been a podcast crimes. Okay,

3621
03:32:49,680 --> 03:32:57,840
Speaker 1: welllcome to the fine Spooky Week episode. Hi, look, this

3622
03:32:58,000 --> 03:32:59,600
Speaker 1: is this is it could happen here. This is our

3623
03:32:59,680 --> 03:33:03,560
Speaker 1: last Spooky Week episode for this year, and we're gonna

3624
03:33:03,560 --> 03:33:08,080
Speaker 1: be talking about something extremely spooky and Halloween themed. Rainbow

3625
03:33:08,200 --> 03:33:12,840
Speaker 1: fentanyl the newest deadly threat hiding in your kids trigger

3626
03:33:12,959 --> 03:33:16,120
Speaker 1: treat basket, or so you would think if you are

3627
03:33:16,160 --> 03:33:19,880
Speaker 1: a frequent viewer of Fox News or really any local

3628
03:33:20,040 --> 03:33:24,280
Speaker 1: cable news channel, and that rainbow fentonnel in particular is

3629
03:33:24,320 --> 03:33:30,000
Speaker 1: troublesome because of its appearance. This is treacherous deception to

3630
03:33:30,200 --> 03:33:36,199
Speaker 1: market rainbow fensonel like candy. This is every parents worst nightmare,

3631
03:33:37,080 --> 03:33:40,560
Speaker 1: especially in the month of October as Halloween fast approaches.

3632
03:33:41,360 --> 03:33:45,560
Speaker 1: That was Fox five News, New York and d E

3633
03:33:45,760 --> 03:33:50,040
Speaker 1: a special agent Frank Tarantino, giving a press conference on

3634
03:33:50,320 --> 03:33:54,600
Speaker 1: the rainbow fentanyl scourge sweeping the nation. It's not hard

3635
03:33:54,640 --> 03:33:57,400
Speaker 1: to see how this narrative became the new protect the

3636
03:33:57,480 --> 03:34:01,720
Speaker 1: children pearl clutching panic. It's a natural extension of the

3637
03:34:01,840 --> 03:34:06,760
Speaker 1: police officer touches sentinel and spontaneously overdoses lie that local

3638
03:34:06,800 --> 03:34:09,400
Speaker 1: news across the country have been pushing for over a

3639
03:34:09,480 --> 03:34:13,440
Speaker 1: year now. More on this later, coupled with the old

3640
03:34:13,600 --> 03:34:19,840
Speaker 1: classic poisoned, drug laced, tampered Halloween candy myth that's captivated

3641
03:34:19,879 --> 03:34:23,920
Speaker 1: American parents for decades, whether it be razor blades, napples,

3642
03:34:24,160 --> 03:34:28,800
Speaker 1: needles and tutsie rules, meth in, gummy bears, cocaine candy corn,

3643
03:34:29,240 --> 03:34:33,000
Speaker 1: or th HC sour patch kids. If you've ever watched

3644
03:34:33,120 --> 03:34:36,280
Speaker 1: any local news during the month of October, clips like

3645
03:34:36,520 --> 03:34:40,240
Speaker 1: these should sound really familiar. Police in at least two

3646
03:34:40,280 --> 03:34:44,920
Speaker 1: Wisconsin towns are investigating reports of possible Halloween candy tampering

3647
03:34:45,280 --> 03:34:49,440
Speaker 1: breaking right now at ten concerns about possible tainted candy

3648
03:34:49,640 --> 03:34:52,920
Speaker 1: in Economy Walk tonight. Police tell us they've received reports

3649
03:34:52,959 --> 03:34:57,039
Speaker 1: of a suspicious person handing out tutsie rolls on Oakwood Avenue.

3650
03:34:57,400 --> 03:34:59,920
Speaker 1: Right now, police have no evidence that any candy has

3651
03:35:00,040 --> 03:35:04,320
Speaker 1: definitely been tampered with, the world's leading researcher on Halloween

3652
03:35:04,440 --> 03:35:08,600
Speaker 1: candy tampering, Joel Best, professor of sociology and criminal justice

3653
03:35:08,600 --> 03:35:11,920
Speaker 1: at the University of Delaware, has found little evidence to

3654
03:35:12,160 --> 03:35:17,000
Speaker 1: substantiate Halloween candy fears Joel Best has published multiple studies

3655
03:35:17,040 --> 03:35:21,160
Speaker 1: analyzing the legitimacy of Halloween candy tampering, including his research

3656
03:35:21,240 --> 03:35:24,720
Speaker 1: paper The Razor Blade in the Apple, The Social Construction

3657
03:35:24,760 --> 03:35:29,080
Speaker 1: of Urban Legends, and his sociology book Threatened Children, Rhetoric

3658
03:35:29,200 --> 03:35:34,560
Speaker 1: and Concern around Child Victims. I have followed press coverage

3659
03:35:34,600 --> 03:35:38,440
Speaker 1: of Halloween back to ninety eight, so more than sixty years,

3660
03:35:39,040 --> 03:35:43,120
Speaker 1: and I cannot find any evidence that any child has

3661
03:35:43,240 --> 03:35:47,240
Speaker 1: ever been killed or seriously injured by a contaminated treat

3662
03:35:47,320 --> 03:35:50,119
Speaker 1: picked up in the course of triggered treaty. So let's

3663
03:35:50,160 --> 03:35:52,800
Speaker 1: go back to kind of where all this started. The

3664
03:35:52,879 --> 03:35:55,760
Speaker 1: first report of Halloween treats being tampered with in North

3665
03:35:55,840 --> 03:36:00,440
Speaker 1: America was in nineteen fifty nine. That's how Leween, a

3666
03:36:00,520 --> 03:36:04,960
Speaker 1: California dentist named William Sheen, distributed four hundred and fifty

3667
03:36:05,280 --> 03:36:09,039
Speaker 1: laxative laced candies to children, thirty of whom fell ill.

3668
03:36:09,760 --> 03:36:14,000
Speaker 1: He was later charged with outrage of public decency and

3669
03:36:14,280 --> 03:36:18,120
Speaker 1: unlawful dispensing of drugs. This is kind of like the

3670
03:36:18,360 --> 03:36:21,280
Speaker 1: only incident that is that this has ever actually happened

3671
03:36:21,360 --> 03:36:23,600
Speaker 1: with was back in the late fifties. This is the

3672
03:36:23,879 --> 03:36:27,360
Speaker 1: only true one of someone like handing out actually laced

3673
03:36:27,440 --> 03:36:31,120
Speaker 1: candy to tons of kids. Now. To determine whether the

3674
03:36:31,959 --> 03:36:36,680
Speaker 1: current tempered Halloween candy myths hold any weight, Joel Best

3675
03:36:36,760 --> 03:36:39,640
Speaker 1: examined twenty five years of Halloween coverage from the New

3676
03:36:39,720 --> 03:36:43,720
Speaker 1: York Times, Los Angeles Times, and Chicago Tribune. In his research,

3677
03:36:43,800 --> 03:36:47,800
Speaker 1: he found that there's only been one confirmed death from

3678
03:36:47,840 --> 03:36:51,760
Speaker 1: a poisoned Halloween candy, and it wasn't from a nefarious

3679
03:36:51,920 --> 03:36:55,000
Speaker 1: stranger who wanted to harm trick or treaters. The fatal

3680
03:36:55,040 --> 03:36:58,160
Speaker 1: incident occurred in nineteen seventy four, after a Texas man

3681
03:36:58,400 --> 03:37:02,080
Speaker 1: named Ronald Clarke ob Iron poisoned his eight year old

3682
03:37:02,160 --> 03:37:06,480
Speaker 1: son with a cyanide laced pixie stick shortly after he

3683
03:37:06,560 --> 03:37:10,039
Speaker 1: took insurance claims out on his children. O'Brien had reportedly

3684
03:37:10,080 --> 03:37:13,080
Speaker 1: given poisoned pixie sticks to his daughter and three other

3685
03:37:13,160 --> 03:37:17,440
Speaker 1: neighborhood children, but the candy had not been consumed since then.

3686
03:37:17,600 --> 03:37:20,880
Speaker 1: Joel Best said that in some instances, kids tamper with

3687
03:37:21,120 --> 03:37:23,960
Speaker 1: their own candy to get attention, or a friend or

3688
03:37:24,000 --> 03:37:27,280
Speaker 1: a family member played a prank that went awry, or

3689
03:37:27,360 --> 03:37:30,200
Speaker 1: even a foreign object ended up inside candy during the

3690
03:37:30,280 --> 03:37:33,480
Speaker 1: manufacturing process. And that's the majority of these types of

3691
03:37:33,520 --> 03:37:37,080
Speaker 1: claims that you'll see on the local news. Now, Halloween

3692
03:37:37,200 --> 03:37:40,720
Speaker 1: can be a particularly dangerous holiday, but not due to

3693
03:37:40,800 --> 03:37:44,440
Speaker 1: tampered candy. The real notable danger comes from pedestrian deaths.

3694
03:37:44,959 --> 03:37:48,320
Speaker 1: I studied published last year in Gamma Pediatrics, analyzed data

3695
03:37:48,400 --> 03:37:50,720
Speaker 1: over a forty two year period in the United States

3696
03:37:51,080 --> 03:37:54,160
Speaker 1: and found a forty three percent higher risk of pedestrian

3697
03:37:54,240 --> 03:37:57,560
Speaker 1: deaths on Halloween night when compared to the week before

3698
03:37:57,640 --> 03:38:02,720
Speaker 1: and after. John Staple, lead author and clinical assistant professor

3699
03:38:02,879 --> 03:38:06,279
Speaker 1: of medicine and a scientist at University of British Columbia,

3700
03:38:06,400 --> 03:38:10,160
Speaker 1: said that quote, we found that particularly among kids age

3701
03:38:10,240 --> 03:38:13,879
Speaker 1: four to eight, the risk was tenfold higher on Halloween.

3702
03:38:14,600 --> 03:38:17,959
Speaker 1: So yeah, Halloween actually is pretty dangerous, but it's from

3703
03:38:18,000 --> 03:38:21,760
Speaker 1: a car, not from someone sneaking drugs into your kids candy.

3704
03:38:22,760 --> 03:38:27,199
Speaker 1: Last year, before the current Rainbow Centinel scare, the drug

3705
03:38:27,400 --> 03:38:31,279
Speaker 1: laced trick in your kids treat was weed laced candy

3706
03:38:31,400 --> 03:38:36,160
Speaker 1: and snacks, causing quote unquote THHC overdose among children. But

3707
03:38:36,400 --> 03:38:40,200
Speaker 1: shady marijuana push yours package them just for kids, and

3708
03:38:40,280 --> 03:38:43,320
Speaker 1: if stony patch kids are mixed in, it's hard to tell.

3709
03:38:44,000 --> 03:38:48,240
Speaker 1: And Unfortunately, the black market is making it easy for

3710
03:38:48,360 --> 03:38:51,720
Speaker 1: children to get these products. Ben Salem police confiscated what

3711
03:38:51,879 --> 03:38:55,199
Speaker 1: looks like normal candy during a traffic stop earlier this month.

3712
03:38:55,480 --> 03:38:59,240
Speaker 1: But these Sweethearts, they're medicated. These sour patch candies have

3713
03:38:59,440 --> 03:39:02,680
Speaker 1: a twist, and these Cheetos are anything but all of

3714
03:39:02,760 --> 03:39:06,480
Speaker 1: these items are laced with th HC. By laced with

3715
03:39:06,640 --> 03:39:11,039
Speaker 1: th HC, they mean the forty dollar Stoner Patch dummies

3716
03:39:11,680 --> 03:39:15,240
Speaker 1: are a manufactured weed candy sold in legal weed shops

3717
03:39:15,240 --> 03:39:18,360
Speaker 1: across the country. The fact that these novel t THC

3718
03:39:18,480 --> 03:39:21,640
Speaker 1: products are incredibly expensive and in packaging covered in we

3719
03:39:21,840 --> 03:39:25,480
Speaker 1: leaves doesn't seem to matter. Um, But yes, I'm sure

3720
03:39:25,600 --> 03:39:28,840
Speaker 1: the black market is super eager to give away tiny

3721
03:39:29,040 --> 03:39:33,640
Speaker 1: fifty dollar bags of weeded rito's. Two children dressed as

3722
03:39:33,720 --> 03:39:36,560
Speaker 1: the Avengers all right, now the details on a big

3723
03:39:36,680 --> 03:39:40,879
Speaker 1: warning for parents. Tonight police officers and Ben Salem confiscated

3724
03:39:40,959 --> 03:39:45,240
Speaker 1: these items during the traffic stop. It's candy laced with marijuana,

3725
03:39:45,800 --> 03:39:48,160
Speaker 1: and now police don't want these friendly looking snacks to

3726
03:39:48,200 --> 03:39:51,200
Speaker 1: get into the wrong hands. With Halloween coming up. I'm

3727
03:39:51,240 --> 03:39:55,560
Speaker 1: going to quote from Filter mag quote. Attorneys general across

3728
03:39:55,680 --> 03:39:58,560
Speaker 1: the country are participating in the annual tradition of urging

3729
03:39:58,600 --> 03:40:02,320
Speaker 1: parents to stand vigilant like free drugs disguised as candy.

3730
03:40:02,920 --> 03:40:07,280
Speaker 1: On October four, state a g s issued such claims,

3731
03:40:07,600 --> 03:40:09,960
Speaker 1: all using the same data and language which appears to

3732
03:40:10,040 --> 03:40:12,800
Speaker 1: have been generously pre written for them by the Department

3733
03:40:12,840 --> 03:40:16,880
Speaker 1: of Homeland Security Ohio, Illinois, Connecticut, and in New York

3734
03:40:17,080 --> 03:40:20,760
Speaker 1: and Arkansas. Earlier that month decried the dangers of youth

3735
03:40:21,200 --> 03:40:26,400
Speaker 1: THHC overdose, but without hinting at what those dangers might be,

3736
03:40:26,959 --> 03:40:31,840
Speaker 1: except for New York Attorney General Letitia James, who alone

3737
03:40:32,120 --> 03:40:37,800
Speaker 1: of the ages swung big, saying New York parents should

3738
03:40:37,840 --> 03:40:41,000
Speaker 1: be on the alert for deceptive cannabis products that look

3739
03:40:41,080 --> 03:40:45,480
Speaker 1: like standard snacks and candy but contain dangerously high concentrations

3740
03:40:45,520 --> 03:40:49,959
Speaker 1: of th HC. These products are especially dangerous for our children.

3741
03:40:50,600 --> 03:40:54,840
Speaker 1: We've seen an increase in accidental overdoses among children and nationwide,

3742
03:40:55,280 --> 03:40:57,600
Speaker 1: and it's vital that we do everything we can to

3743
03:40:57,680 --> 03:41:00,920
Speaker 1: protect our children and curb this crisis and prevent any

3744
03:41:01,040 --> 03:41:06,879
Speaker 1: future harm or even worse death. Now that's a stunning claim,

3745
03:41:07,320 --> 03:41:10,600
Speaker 1: even by weed disinformation standards. To date, there's been no

3746
03:41:10,760 --> 03:41:15,920
Speaker 1: confirmed evidence that THHC overdose has ever killed anybody adult

3747
03:41:16,120 --> 03:41:22,720
Speaker 1: or child. So with all of that drug laced Halloween history,

3748
03:41:23,480 --> 03:41:28,080
Speaker 1: onto the latest rainbow colored menace in your child's tricker

3749
03:41:28,120 --> 03:41:33,080
Speaker 1: retreat basket. That's Halloween approaches. Federal authorities are warning parents

3750
03:41:33,120 --> 03:41:37,560
Speaker 1: about the deadly consequences of fitnel pills, particularly about the

3751
03:41:37,720 --> 03:41:41,680
Speaker 1: rainbow variety that look like candy. The Drug Enforcement Agency

3752
03:41:41,920 --> 03:41:45,920
Speaker 1: first put out a statement on multicolored quote unquote rainbow

3753
03:41:46,040 --> 03:41:51,080
Speaker 1: fentanel near the end of August two, claiming during that

3754
03:41:51,240 --> 03:41:53,879
Speaker 1: month that the d e A and law enforcement partners

3755
03:41:54,080 --> 03:42:00,160
Speaker 1: seized brightly colored fentanel and fentanel pills in states. And

3756
03:42:00,360 --> 03:42:04,360
Speaker 1: this is how the presence of colored fentanyl was framed

3757
03:42:04,440 --> 03:42:07,400
Speaker 1: in the d e AS initial statement. Quote this trend

3758
03:42:07,520 --> 03:42:10,360
Speaker 1: appears to be a new method used by Mexican drug

3759
03:42:10,440 --> 03:42:14,840
Speaker 1: cartels to sell highly addictive and potentially deadly ventanyl made

3760
03:42:14,959 --> 03:42:20,800
Speaker 1: to look like candy to children unquote. Now, obviously, children

3761
03:42:20,879 --> 03:42:24,600
Speaker 1: aren't the biggest consumer base for these drugs, since they

3762
03:42:25,000 --> 03:42:28,680
Speaker 1: have no money, have very low tolerance, and are unlikely

3763
03:42:28,800 --> 03:42:31,800
Speaker 1: to be a repeat customer. But that hasn't stopped the

3764
03:42:31,840 --> 03:42:35,440
Speaker 1: d e A from continuously referring to these colored pills

3765
03:42:35,600 --> 03:42:39,840
Speaker 1: as quote unquote marketing to attract kids, as if there's

3766
03:42:40,320 --> 03:42:45,080
Speaker 1: rainbow fentanyl ads on Nickelodeon or something. It seems the

3767
03:42:45,200 --> 03:42:48,560
Speaker 1: only one marketing rainbow fentanyl is the d e A

3768
03:42:48,720 --> 03:42:53,240
Speaker 1: itself and now news channels across the country. This is

3769
03:42:53,360 --> 03:42:57,120
Speaker 1: from Good Morning America. Warning certainly one here that parents

3770
03:42:57,200 --> 03:42:59,920
Speaker 1: need to hear with Halloween coming up. It's about potential

3771
03:43:00,200 --> 03:43:04,680
Speaker 1: deadly fentyl pills that look like candy. Obviously, the d

3772
03:43:04,800 --> 03:43:08,840
Speaker 1: e A is an enforcement agency, not a harm reduction agency,

3773
03:43:09,360 --> 03:43:11,760
Speaker 1: and the way they've been talking about fentanyl the past

3774
03:43:11,840 --> 03:43:16,440
Speaker 1: few months has focused more on old War on Drugs

3775
03:43:16,600 --> 03:43:21,680
Speaker 1: style propaganda, with anti immigrant drug warriors pushing the fentanyl

3776
03:43:21,760 --> 03:43:25,279
Speaker 1: for kids and narrative. The d e AS messaging seems

3777
03:43:25,320 --> 03:43:28,840
Speaker 1: largely targeted to parents and more intended to cause panic

3778
03:43:28,959 --> 03:43:32,720
Speaker 1: than actually work to prevent overdoses, and it distracts from

3779
03:43:32,760 --> 03:43:36,680
Speaker 1: experts that say drug criminalization is what actually increases overdoses,

3780
03:43:37,120 --> 03:43:42,280
Speaker 1: not these quote unquote candy colored pills. Mariah Francis, a

3781
03:43:42,440 --> 03:43:46,920
Speaker 1: resource associate with the National Harm Reduction Coalition, says such

3782
03:43:47,000 --> 03:43:50,560
Speaker 1: rhetoric is quote an active byproduct of drug policies that

3783
03:43:50,680 --> 03:43:56,439
Speaker 1: prioritize criminalization and political agendas over active harm reduction unquote,

3784
03:43:57,200 --> 03:43:59,840
Speaker 1: as colored fentyl can actually serve as an indicator that

3785
03:44:00,000 --> 03:44:03,880
Speaker 1: these pills are not prescription drugs. The other war on

3786
03:44:04,000 --> 03:44:08,039
Speaker 1: drugs style scare tactic being used a lot recently has

3787
03:44:08,120 --> 03:44:13,760
Speaker 1: been promoting heavily publicized drug seizures and making highly exaggerated

3788
03:44:13,800 --> 03:44:17,200
Speaker 1: claims about what the busts mean to the illicit drug

3789
03:44:17,280 --> 03:44:22,119
Speaker 1: supply and public health. Michigan and Ohio, we seized approximately

3790
03:44:22,360 --> 03:44:26,480
Speaker 1: four million deadly doses. Special Agent in charge Orville Green

3791
03:44:26,560 --> 03:44:31,000
Speaker 1: says nationwide that number jumps to thirty six million deadly

3792
03:44:31,160 --> 03:44:34,360
Speaker 1: doses seized and just four months in there in pill

3793
03:44:34,480 --> 03:44:38,440
Speaker 1: and powder form, the source materials coming from China produced

3794
03:44:38,480 --> 03:44:43,400
Speaker 1: by drug cartels in Mexico, calling them quote unquote deadly doses,

3795
03:44:44,160 --> 03:44:47,800
Speaker 1: Like yeah, dude, if you quantify your seizure by an

3796
03:44:47,840 --> 03:44:51,760
Speaker 1: amount that could be potentially deadly, I suppose you could

3797
03:44:51,879 --> 03:44:55,720
Speaker 1: only measure in deadly quantities. I could do the same

3798
03:44:55,800 --> 03:44:57,680
Speaker 1: thing with with caffeine. I can go to the store

3799
03:44:57,720 --> 03:45:00,760
Speaker 1: and pick up like ten banging g drinks and be

3800
03:45:01,120 --> 03:45:04,160
Speaker 1: I just got a deadly dose of cafe. Like yeah,

3801
03:45:04,280 --> 03:45:06,480
Speaker 1: that's if you're measuring it in that way, Sure you

3802
03:45:06,560 --> 03:45:10,199
Speaker 1: can measure it as deadly doses. Plus in that clip

3803
03:45:10,440 --> 03:45:14,000
Speaker 1: from Fox to Detroit, you can see the anti China,

3804
03:45:14,120 --> 03:45:18,280
Speaker 1: anti Mexico angle that they're running with now. Obviously, places

3805
03:45:18,320 --> 03:45:21,240
Speaker 1: like Fox News has been eating the stuff up. Just

3806
03:45:21,560 --> 03:45:24,520
Speaker 1: during the first half of September. The network mentioned rainbow

3807
03:45:24,560 --> 03:45:27,840
Speaker 1: fentannel at least sixty six times on the air over

3808
03:45:27,920 --> 03:45:31,039
Speaker 1: the previous month, weaponizing the narrative to blame migrants at

3809
03:45:31,080 --> 03:45:34,440
Speaker 1: the border and China for the supposed threat that the

3810
03:45:34,560 --> 03:45:39,480
Speaker 1: drug poses to poor, innocent children. And many of people's

3811
03:45:39,520 --> 03:45:42,760
Speaker 1: most trusted news sources, which are local news outlets, have

3812
03:45:43,080 --> 03:45:46,400
Speaker 1: contributed to the d E a s panic by parroting

3813
03:45:46,600 --> 03:45:50,160
Speaker 1: the agency's statements as pure fact, pushing the claim that

3814
03:45:50,320 --> 03:45:53,879
Speaker 1: rainbow fentanyl is meant to attract kids just at face value,

3815
03:45:54,000 --> 03:45:58,039
Speaker 1: presented without any skepticism, without any fact checking or information

3816
03:45:58,200 --> 03:46:02,160
Speaker 1: from independent drug policy experts. Here is a headline from

3817
03:46:02,280 --> 03:46:06,920
Speaker 1: ABC twenty four in Tennessee quote rainbow fentanyl the colorful

3818
03:46:07,080 --> 03:46:11,160
Speaker 1: marketing tactic already in Memphis streets and this is from

3819
03:46:11,200 --> 03:46:15,040
Speaker 1: a TV channel and Raleigh, North Carolina DA warns of

3820
03:46:15,200 --> 03:46:19,520
Speaker 1: so called rainbow fentanyl putting children at risk, and headlines

3821
03:46:19,600 --> 03:46:22,160
Speaker 1: like that have been a diame a dozen the past month,

3822
03:46:22,800 --> 03:46:25,160
Speaker 1: never once bringing up that there's not a single piece

3823
03:46:25,200 --> 03:46:28,480
Speaker 1: of evidence that these pills are being peddled on the playground.

3824
03:46:29,120 --> 03:46:31,840
Speaker 1: This is exactly the kind of behavior from news organizations

3825
03:46:32,240 --> 03:46:36,080
Speaker 1: that leads to misinformation and panics, which distract from actual

3826
03:46:36,200 --> 03:46:39,200
Speaker 1: public health dangers and relatively simple things we can do

3827
03:46:39,360 --> 03:46:43,920
Speaker 1: to combat them. Fox News, many local news stations, and

3828
03:46:43,959 --> 03:46:47,000
Speaker 1: the d e A itself has now joined in the

3829
03:46:47,240 --> 03:46:53,320
Speaker 1: long standing annual tradition of Halloween candy based fearmongering by

3830
03:46:53,440 --> 03:46:58,760
Speaker 1: baselessly claiming that parents should be concerned about fentanyl appearing

3831
03:46:58,959 --> 03:47:03,160
Speaker 1: in their child Halloween candy. Federal agents with an urgent

3832
03:47:03,280 --> 03:47:06,879
Speaker 1: warning to parents about potentially deadly sentinel pills that look

3833
03:47:07,000 --> 03:47:10,920
Speaker 1: just like candy. Dubbed rainbow fentanyl, authorities are calling it

3834
03:47:11,080 --> 03:47:14,279
Speaker 1: a newly packaged poison as Halloween is around the corner.

3835
03:47:15,080 --> 03:47:18,240
Speaker 1: The idea that people are going to give away free

3836
03:47:18,360 --> 03:47:25,160
Speaker 1: drugs for Halloween, which just get wild concept. Um I

3837
03:47:25,280 --> 03:47:27,160
Speaker 1: wish I would, I would go trick or treating more

3838
03:47:27,200 --> 03:47:30,200
Speaker 1: if there was free drugs. But this idea has been

3839
03:47:30,240 --> 03:47:34,439
Speaker 1: boosted by elected leaders and non d e A government officials.

3840
03:47:35,160 --> 03:47:39,160
Speaker 1: Florida's Attorney General, Ashley Moody, did a whole press conference

3841
03:47:39,320 --> 03:47:44,560
Speaker 1: saying quote Halloween can be very scary, but nowhere near

3842
03:47:44,800 --> 03:47:48,640
Speaker 1: as scary as rainbow colored fentanyl that looks like candy

3843
03:47:49,040 --> 03:47:53,039
Speaker 1: and can be lethal in minute doses. Whether these drugs

3844
03:47:53,080 --> 03:47:55,800
Speaker 1: are being transported in candy boxes or mixed in with

3845
03:47:55,959 --> 03:47:59,560
Speaker 1: other common drugs and sold on suspecting users, the threat

3846
03:47:59,600 --> 03:48:02,600
Speaker 1: POE to the safety of kids and young adults is

3847
03:48:02,760 --> 03:48:06,000
Speaker 1: very real. Just one pill laced with fentinel can kill,

3848
03:48:06,440 --> 03:48:09,760
Speaker 1: so parents, please talk to your children about the dangers

3849
03:48:09,840 --> 03:48:13,760
Speaker 1: posed by this extremely lethal drug. Halloween could be scary,

3850
03:48:13,840 --> 03:48:18,360
Speaker 1: but that isn't anyway. Senator Rob Portman wrote quote, we

3851
03:48:18,520 --> 03:48:21,440
Speaker 1: must have all the boots on the ground to interdict

3852
03:48:21,680 --> 03:48:27,400
Speaker 1: deadly rainbow fentanyl as Halloween approaches, which he posted alongside

3853
03:48:27,440 --> 03:48:32,120
Speaker 1: a Fox News story about Fentinel disguised in candy packaging,

3854
03:48:32,600 --> 03:48:36,119
Speaker 1: which is simply a common tactic to smuggle drugs through borders,

3855
03:48:36,240 --> 03:48:39,280
Speaker 1: which is why such packaging is found so often in

3856
03:48:39,400 --> 03:48:44,360
Speaker 1: drug seizures. Now, nobody is planning to give away free

3857
03:48:44,920 --> 03:48:47,840
Speaker 1: skittle fentanyl. Too, Little Timmy when he comes knocking on

3858
03:48:48,000 --> 03:48:52,320
Speaker 1: doors and more quote unquote boots on the ground is

3859
03:48:52,400 --> 03:48:55,720
Speaker 1: exactly what law enforcement wanted when they started this lie.

3860
03:48:56,200 --> 03:48:58,200
Speaker 1: The d e A budget has gone up every year,

3861
03:48:58,640 --> 03:49:02,680
Speaker 1: and so have Fentinel over doses. But it's the won't

3862
03:49:02,760 --> 03:49:06,040
Speaker 1: somebody think of the children angle that's so irresistible to

3863
03:49:06,240 --> 03:49:09,600
Speaker 1: news media. It provides a huge rush to our cultures

3864
03:49:09,800 --> 03:49:13,680
Speaker 1: actual favorite drug, fear for our children. It's the same

3865
03:49:13,760 --> 03:49:17,200
Speaker 1: undercurrent that fuels attacks on drag queens and trans people.

3866
03:49:17,840 --> 03:49:21,120
Speaker 1: Fear for the kids. While a long piece and CNN

3867
03:49:21,200 --> 03:49:24,920
Speaker 1: explicitly said parents of young children should not overly panic,

3868
03:49:25,760 --> 03:49:28,920
Speaker 1: h w R A l piece cautioned that quote, we

3869
03:49:29,080 --> 03:49:31,640
Speaker 1: all know how easy it is for children to pass

3870
03:49:31,760 --> 03:49:35,400
Speaker 1: candy around to each other, as if like rainbow Fentanel

3871
03:49:35,560 --> 03:49:38,040
Speaker 1: is going to be shared around like Eminem's at a

3872
03:49:38,120 --> 03:49:41,320
Speaker 1: lunch breaker or something like And one of the more

3873
03:49:41,440 --> 03:49:44,640
Speaker 1: silly things that I found. People running the account for

3874
03:49:44,840 --> 03:49:50,520
Speaker 1: ABC seven Eyewitness News hid over one hundred replies pointing

3875
03:49:50,560 --> 03:49:54,720
Speaker 1: out the disinformation in their so called eyewitness news story.

3876
03:49:55,400 --> 03:50:00,600
Speaker 1: In their tweet that read quote hashtag breaking twelve thousand

3877
03:50:00,680 --> 03:50:06,000
Speaker 1: Fentinel pills seized in wrappers of Skittles whoppers, sweet tarts

3878
03:50:06,480 --> 03:50:10,920
Speaker 1: at l a X, sparking renewed Halloween warnings to parents.

3879
03:50:13,400 --> 03:50:16,000
Speaker 1: So yeah, they hid over one hundred applies to that

3880
03:50:16,080 --> 03:50:19,120
Speaker 1: tweet basically saying this is this is bullshit. You have

3881
03:50:19,200 --> 03:50:22,200
Speaker 1: no idea what you're talking about. This this story again,

3882
03:50:22,520 --> 03:50:25,600
Speaker 1: it conflates methods of drug trafficking with a longstanding myth

3883
03:50:25,680 --> 03:50:29,360
Speaker 1: of expensive drugs being hidden in cheap Halloween candy. And then,

3884
03:50:29,760 --> 03:50:32,440
Speaker 1: by far the most ridiculous thing that I found. It's

3885
03:50:32,440 --> 03:50:36,160
Speaker 1: just because it's kind of absurd and slightly funny. Laura

3886
03:50:36,240 --> 03:50:39,840
Speaker 1: Trump on Fox News did the most ridiculous Rainbow Fentinel

3887
03:50:39,880 --> 03:50:43,320
Speaker 1: segment that I could find, including spreading the blatant lie

3888
03:50:43,480 --> 03:50:48,680
Speaker 1: that police officers have indeed died by simply touching fentanyl. Yeah,

3889
03:50:48,800 --> 03:50:50,520
Speaker 1: you look at the police officers who when they just

3890
03:50:50,560 --> 03:50:52,680
Speaker 1: pat people down and they find it, if it touches

3891
03:50:52,720 --> 03:50:55,800
Speaker 1: their fingers, they literally go into shock and almost die

3892
03:50:55,840 --> 03:50:57,760
Speaker 1: from it. Something I think have died from it. The

3893
03:50:58,480 --> 03:51:01,520
Speaker 1: idea that you could have a kid anywhere in America

3894
03:51:01,920 --> 03:51:05,120
Speaker 1: if if one child dies from this on Halloween. I

3895
03:51:05,160 --> 03:51:08,200
Speaker 1: gotta tell you, we have to take action to stop

3896
03:51:08,280 --> 03:51:10,560
Speaker 1: this right now because parents are terrified and we have

3897
03:51:10,720 --> 03:51:12,880
Speaker 1: no answers, what are we supposed to do? They're gonna

3898
03:51:12,880 --> 03:51:15,840
Speaker 1: go trick or truth? So Democrats ruin Halloween to can

3899
03:51:16,000 --> 03:51:19,320
Speaker 1: they really do? So. What you wouldn't know by watching

3900
03:51:19,440 --> 03:51:21,680
Speaker 1: these types of news programs, whether they be Fox News

3901
03:51:21,800 --> 03:51:25,800
Speaker 1: or just regular cable news, is that the colors in

3902
03:51:25,920 --> 03:51:30,000
Speaker 1: these drugs have been added to pills for years. The

3903
03:51:30,360 --> 03:51:35,360
Speaker 1: real danger isn't that kids are being given fentanyl like candy.

3904
03:51:35,800 --> 03:51:38,880
Speaker 1: It's that fentanyl is being pressed into the shapes of

3905
03:51:39,000 --> 03:51:42,000
Speaker 1: other prescription drugs like oxy codone, and people will take

3906
03:51:42,040 --> 03:51:45,080
Speaker 1: a fentanyl pill thinking it's something else and then overdose.

3907
03:51:45,680 --> 03:51:50,920
Speaker 1: And throughout many of these news stories, they don't mention narcan,

3908
03:51:51,240 --> 03:51:54,040
Speaker 1: or if they do, they mentioned in the context as saying,

3909
03:51:54,160 --> 03:51:58,440
Speaker 1: like this school in l A Now carries narcan. That's

3910
03:51:58,480 --> 03:52:01,160
Speaker 1: how bad things are getting. They use the presence of

3911
03:52:01,160 --> 03:52:03,920
Speaker 1: an arcan as like a bad omen which mean no,

3912
03:52:04,160 --> 03:52:07,000
Speaker 1: people should just have narcan everywhere cause it's great. More

3913
03:52:07,040 --> 03:52:10,920
Speaker 1: on that later. But these colored pills provide such a

3914
03:52:11,320 --> 03:52:16,040
Speaker 1: compelling visual for anyone with a financial stake in continuing prohibition.

3915
03:52:16,680 --> 03:52:19,760
Speaker 1: In a way, the d A is right. Rainbow fentanyl

3916
03:52:19,960 --> 03:52:22,800
Speaker 1: is a marketing stunt, but one concocted by the d

3917
03:52:22,880 --> 03:52:25,960
Speaker 1: e A itself as a justification for its own existence,

3918
03:52:26,720 --> 03:52:31,000
Speaker 1: rather than drug sellers marketing their product to kids, using

3919
03:52:31,080 --> 03:52:35,400
Speaker 1: the escalating demonization of fentanyl to call for increased funding

3920
03:52:35,480 --> 03:52:38,400
Speaker 1: to law enforcement and border patrol, and the need to

3921
03:52:38,680 --> 03:52:43,240
Speaker 1: convince a public acclimating to the idea of fentanyl that actually,

3922
03:52:43,520 --> 03:52:47,480
Speaker 1: fentanyl is even scarier than what they once thought. Quoting

3923
03:52:47,680 --> 03:52:51,360
Speaker 1: filter Meg again quote, people sell drugs because they are

3924
03:52:51,440 --> 03:52:55,000
Speaker 1: economically motivated to do so. No one except the d

3925
03:52:55,120 --> 03:52:57,280
Speaker 1: e A and its allies is arguing that it's a

3926
03:52:57,360 --> 03:53:00,280
Speaker 1: good business strategy to kill off your adult buyers and

3927
03:53:00,440 --> 03:53:04,920
Speaker 1: give free samples to children previously untapped customer base because

3928
03:53:04,960 --> 03:53:08,920
Speaker 1: the fentanyl wasn't never pretty enough, and not because children

3929
03:53:08,960 --> 03:53:11,600
Speaker 1: do not have money. The emergence of different colors that

3930
03:53:11,640 --> 03:53:15,400
Speaker 1: pressed pills alongside the traditional blue fentinel pills won't lure

3931
03:53:15,560 --> 03:53:18,360
Speaker 1: in younger buyers. If anything, it will help keep newer

3932
03:53:18,440 --> 03:53:23,560
Speaker 1: buyers safe. Unquote, Brightly colored fake pills that are clearly

3933
03:53:23,640 --> 03:53:26,280
Speaker 1: fake are helpful for people being cut off of their

3934
03:53:26,320 --> 03:53:29,360
Speaker 1: prescription and turning to street drugs to remind them that

3935
03:53:29,800 --> 03:53:31,840
Speaker 1: what they're getting is not the oxy codon that they're

3936
03:53:31,880 --> 03:53:35,360
Speaker 1: used to, but something more podent, and for more on

3937
03:53:35,600 --> 03:53:38,000
Speaker 1: what fentinel actually is and to kind of get an

3938
03:53:38,040 --> 03:53:44,120
Speaker 1: expert opinion on these topics, I interviewed Ryan Marino, uh,

3939
03:53:44,240 --> 03:53:48,720
Speaker 1: the resident fentanyl expert who's sited and basically all of

3940
03:53:48,800 --> 03:53:51,840
Speaker 1: these news stories. So after the s ad break you

3941
03:53:51,920 --> 03:53:58,320
Speaker 1: will hear that interview. First, can you introduce yourself? So

3942
03:53:58,760 --> 03:54:03,360
Speaker 1: I'm Ryan Marino. I'm a medical toxicologist, emergency doc and

3943
03:54:03,520 --> 03:54:09,760
Speaker 1: addiction medicine specialists. So what exactly is fentanyl? What, what's

3944
03:54:09,760 --> 03:54:13,280
Speaker 1: the deal? What's what? What is what is the actual thing?

3945
03:54:13,360 --> 03:54:15,240
Speaker 1: Because people I know have heard a lot about it,

3946
03:54:15,480 --> 03:54:18,560
Speaker 1: but they may may be unaware, like what this type

3947
03:54:18,560 --> 03:54:21,520
Speaker 1: of opioid is, how it's different from other things, why

3948
03:54:21,600 --> 03:54:25,480
Speaker 1: it's around. Yeah, and I think most people here kind

3949
03:54:25,520 --> 03:54:29,000
Speaker 1: of one side of fentanyl. And so fentanyl is a

3950
03:54:29,080 --> 03:54:33,040
Speaker 1: synthetic opioid, So it's a lot like harro and morphine,

3951
03:54:33,080 --> 03:54:35,400
Speaker 1: oxycoda and all those other things. It acts the same way.

3952
03:54:36,240 --> 03:54:39,680
Speaker 1: The difference is that it is more potent and because

3953
03:54:39,800 --> 03:54:42,440
Speaker 1: it is fully synthetic, it can be made without the

3954
03:54:42,560 --> 03:54:46,800
Speaker 1: necessity for like large poppy fields whether all that stuff. Um,

3955
03:54:46,920 --> 03:54:49,840
Speaker 1: but it's it's very easy to produce. It's used medically

3956
03:54:50,280 --> 03:54:52,320
Speaker 1: all the time. UM, it's like one of the most

3957
03:54:52,400 --> 03:54:57,320
Speaker 1: ubiquitously used medicines and very invaluable lot for its medical uses,

3958
03:54:57,920 --> 03:55:01,360
Speaker 1: but in the street because of a potency small amounts

3959
03:55:01,400 --> 03:55:03,560
Speaker 1: to make a huge difference in the dose that people get,

3960
03:55:03,680 --> 03:55:06,720
Speaker 1: and so fentanyl in street drugs has been the main

3961
03:55:06,880 --> 03:55:10,760
Speaker 1: driver behind what people call our opioid overdose epidemic UM

3962
03:55:10,880 --> 03:55:13,400
Speaker 1: and the kind of record breaking overdose deaths that we've

3963
03:55:13,440 --> 03:55:16,960
Speaker 1: had in recent years. I would like guess that one

3964
03:55:17,000 --> 03:55:19,720
Speaker 1: of the biggest reasons that people have heard about fentanyl

3965
03:55:20,400 --> 03:55:24,320
Speaker 1: is due to police officers and all of the stories

3966
03:55:24,440 --> 03:55:28,920
Speaker 1: from the past year of police officers spontaneously overdosing by

3967
03:55:29,920 --> 03:55:32,920
Speaker 1: either touching it, getting too close to it, breathing the

3968
03:55:33,000 --> 03:55:38,360
Speaker 1: same air that it's around. Can you overdose by touching fentanyl?

3969
03:55:39,360 --> 03:55:44,040
Speaker 1: You cannot, UM, So there is a hatch that's made

3970
03:55:44,160 --> 03:55:46,560
Speaker 1: for the medical fentyl, so it can absorb through your

3971
03:55:46,600 --> 03:55:51,120
Speaker 1: skin if you try really, really hard, but it's incredibly ineffective.

3972
03:55:51,200 --> 03:55:55,440
Speaker 1: Even with the best pharmaceutical technology that money could buy. UM,

3973
03:55:55,520 --> 03:55:59,360
Speaker 1: this is still very slow, very ineffective. Touching fentyl cannot

3974
03:55:59,400 --> 03:56:01,920
Speaker 1: cause an over dose and the way it exists on

3975
03:56:01,960 --> 03:56:05,800
Speaker 1: the street particularly, you're never going to encounter the form

3976
03:56:06,200 --> 03:56:08,920
Speaker 1: or quantity that you would need to cause an overdose.

3977
03:56:09,000 --> 03:56:13,720
Speaker 1: So these stories are nothing more than urban legends and misinformation.

3978
03:56:15,040 --> 03:56:17,680
Speaker 1: How why are people having these effects? Then? Right? Because

3979
03:56:17,680 --> 03:56:20,800
Speaker 1: there's videos of people like fainting and falling over and

3980
03:56:21,000 --> 03:56:23,920
Speaker 1: they're like this police officer needed to receive narcan and

3981
03:56:24,000 --> 03:56:27,040
Speaker 1: was rushed to the hospital. Like what what? What's actually

3982
03:56:27,520 --> 03:56:31,400
Speaker 1: happening there? Because people obviously look like they're experiencing something,

3983
03:56:31,960 --> 03:56:34,520
Speaker 1: but it doesn't really match up with what fentinel is

3984
03:56:34,520 --> 03:56:37,880
Speaker 1: able to do. So it's a really interesting phenomenon. And

3985
03:56:37,920 --> 03:56:39,600
Speaker 1: if you look at any of these stories, any of

3986
03:56:39,640 --> 03:56:43,080
Speaker 1: these videos, you can very clearly see people having real symptoms.

3987
03:56:43,120 --> 03:56:45,920
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to cast any doubt on that, but

3988
03:56:46,040 --> 03:56:49,240
Speaker 1: what's reported and what's shown is actually the opposite of

3989
03:56:49,320 --> 03:56:52,400
Speaker 1: what fentyl would do, And so people report feeling very anxious,

3990
03:56:53,080 --> 03:56:56,280
Speaker 1: breathing very rapidly, having their heart race, all of the

3991
03:56:56,320 --> 03:56:58,800
Speaker 1: things that fentyl would actually cause the opposite. And so

3992
03:56:59,280 --> 03:57:02,440
Speaker 1: I can only speculate on what's really happening there, but

3993
03:57:02,680 --> 03:57:04,480
Speaker 1: my guests would be that this is some sort of

3994
03:57:04,600 --> 03:57:07,480
Speaker 1: panic reaction related to the fact that people are hearing

3995
03:57:07,720 --> 03:57:11,040
Speaker 1: about this every day, hearing the vannel is killing hundreds

3996
03:57:11,080 --> 03:57:13,600
Speaker 1: of thousands of people, hearing that other people have just

3997
03:57:13,760 --> 03:57:16,560
Speaker 1: dropped down from being near it. UM. And there's also

3998
03:57:16,680 --> 03:57:20,120
Speaker 1: this related concept called the no cebo effect, which is

3999
03:57:20,200 --> 03:57:24,200
Speaker 1: kind of like the dark side of the placebo effect,

4000
03:57:24,240 --> 03:57:26,480
Speaker 1: if you will, UM. And so basically it's just that

4001
03:57:26,600 --> 03:57:29,680
Speaker 1: if you believe something so strongly, you can have very

4002
03:57:29,760 --> 03:57:32,600
Speaker 1: negative of real symptoms from it, and the way you

4003
03:57:32,600 --> 03:57:35,240
Speaker 1: would treat this would be with a placebo, which in

4004
03:57:35,320 --> 03:57:38,000
Speaker 1: these situations Narkian is a placebo. So the fact that

4005
03:57:38,120 --> 03:57:40,960
Speaker 1: Narkian works for some of them UM kind of suggests

4006
03:57:41,000 --> 03:57:43,400
Speaker 1: that there is some sort of placebo no cebo effect

4007
03:57:43,440 --> 03:57:47,240
Speaker 1: going on. I know that the ventil has become more

4008
03:57:47,440 --> 03:57:51,160
Speaker 1: common since the pandemics rough you, I would say probably

4009
03:57:51,200 --> 03:57:53,360
Speaker 1: starting in California is what most of most of it

4010
03:57:53,560 --> 03:57:56,360
Speaker 1: looks like in terms of like the whole like opioid

4011
03:57:56,480 --> 03:57:59,920
Speaker 1: epidemic thing, like why is this become such a big

4012
03:58:00,000 --> 03:58:03,600
Speaker 1: problem in the past like three years specifically, like with

4013
03:58:03,720 --> 03:58:07,400
Speaker 1: fentanyl getting into so much of the supply well, so

4014
03:58:07,520 --> 03:58:11,560
Speaker 1: fentyl started getting cut into heroin. UM particularly on the

4015
03:58:11,640 --> 03:58:13,960
Speaker 1: East coast like pretty early on, probably like ten or

4016
03:58:14,000 --> 03:58:16,640
Speaker 1: more years ago now, and took a while to make

4017
03:58:16,680 --> 03:58:20,400
Speaker 1: its way west. It seemed like California actually had different heroin,

4018
03:58:20,520 --> 03:58:23,240
Speaker 1: and particularly like black tar, heroin was more prevalent there,

4019
03:58:23,240 --> 03:58:26,320
Speaker 1: which can't be as easily replaced with a powder for

4020
03:58:26,360 --> 03:58:29,320
Speaker 1: anyone who's familiar with heroin. UM. But now, I mean,

4021
03:58:29,600 --> 03:58:33,000
Speaker 1: there is really no like other opioid supply, So things

4022
03:58:33,040 --> 03:58:35,960
Speaker 1: like heroin are almost impossible to come by just because

4023
03:58:36,120 --> 03:58:39,880
Speaker 1: it doesn't exist in the world. The like oxycodone, oxycont

4024
03:58:39,960 --> 03:58:42,080
Speaker 1: and all of these pills that people used to sell

4025
03:58:42,120 --> 03:58:44,360
Speaker 1: on the street also just don't exist because they're not

4026
03:58:44,400 --> 03:58:48,360
Speaker 1: being prescribed anymore. Some of them aren't even being manufactured anymore. UM.

4027
03:58:48,480 --> 03:58:51,320
Speaker 1: And so what's left is really when you take away

4028
03:58:51,360 --> 03:58:53,960
Speaker 1: the supply but you don't address the demand, is something's

4029
03:58:53,960 --> 03:58:56,160
Speaker 1: got to fill it. And Fentyl is there. Fentyl is

4030
03:58:56,200 --> 03:58:59,920
Speaker 1: really easy to make. Its relatively cheap um and simple

4031
03:59:00,080 --> 03:59:02,560
Speaker 1: to produce, and so you can press it into pills

4032
03:59:02,600 --> 03:59:05,320
Speaker 1: that look like oxycodone. You can mix it up into

4033
03:59:05,360 --> 03:59:08,520
Speaker 1: a powder that looks like heroin and gives people similar effects.

4034
03:59:09,120 --> 03:59:11,080
Speaker 1: But because it's so much more potent, which it's like

4035
03:59:11,160 --> 03:59:14,320
Speaker 1: fifty times more potent than heroin. Um So, I mean

4036
03:59:15,000 --> 03:59:17,760
Speaker 1: if you think just in terms of percentage wise, like

4037
03:59:18,120 --> 03:59:20,680
Speaker 1: a one or two percent difference could be double the

4038
03:59:20,800 --> 03:59:24,480
Speaker 1: dose when you compare it to something. Um So, that's

4039
03:59:24,480 --> 03:59:28,000
Speaker 1: where the trouble comes in. And then with the rainbow

4040
03:59:28,120 --> 03:59:32,920
Speaker 1: fentanyl angle, the DA has been talking about how fentanyl

4041
03:59:33,000 --> 03:59:37,520
Speaker 1: is this new thing to market two children. They sort

4042
03:59:37,520 --> 03:59:40,480
Speaker 1: of market a lot of being like this is like

4043
03:59:40,600 --> 03:59:46,200
Speaker 1: some advertising job done by big drug to to sell

4044
03:59:46,520 --> 03:59:50,520
Speaker 1: to sell two kids. Um Because first off, like why

4045
03:59:50,680 --> 03:59:54,080
Speaker 1: would these drugs be pressed into different colors, like with

4046
03:59:54,320 --> 03:59:57,280
Speaker 1: with with with the fentanyl pills being in you know,

4047
03:59:57,440 --> 04:00:03,680
Speaker 1: the multi colored collect Like what's the actual purpose of that. Well,

4048
04:00:03,720 --> 04:00:06,480
Speaker 1: so that's a great question. And I don't know what

4049
04:00:06,600 --> 04:00:08,760
Speaker 1: to make of whatever the d e A Is doing

4050
04:00:08,840 --> 04:00:12,320
Speaker 1: and why they make these announcements because there's there's no

4051
04:00:12,480 --> 04:00:15,800
Speaker 1: evidence behind it. Um They have provided no evidence and

4052
04:00:16,120 --> 04:00:19,280
Speaker 1: their own press releases going back years show multiple colors

4053
04:00:19,400 --> 04:00:23,640
Speaker 1: of ventational pressed pills. Um My best guests and in

4054
04:00:23,760 --> 04:00:26,640
Speaker 1: talking to like people use drugs, people who work in

4055
04:00:26,960 --> 04:00:30,640
Speaker 1: the same space across the country, is that pharmaceuticals come

4056
04:00:30,680 --> 04:00:33,400
Speaker 1: in different colors, and so these probably were mostly just

4057
04:00:33,560 --> 04:00:37,760
Speaker 1: to mimic things like oxycode on tabs. Also, I mean

4058
04:00:37,960 --> 04:00:41,120
Speaker 1: dealers like to add their own kind of like marked

4059
04:00:41,200 --> 04:00:43,520
Speaker 1: the things in terms of heroin will come with different

4060
04:00:43,560 --> 04:00:46,560
Speaker 1: like stamps on the bag, so probably something similar there.

4061
04:00:46,920 --> 04:00:49,280
Speaker 1: But also I mean people just tend to like things

4062
04:00:49,320 --> 04:00:52,400
Speaker 1: that are are colored more than like a grainy beige

4063
04:00:52,520 --> 04:00:55,840
Speaker 1: pill um. If it comes with like a pink or

4064
04:00:55,920 --> 04:00:58,520
Speaker 1: green on, it is going to be more desirable. But

4065
04:00:58,760 --> 04:01:02,040
Speaker 1: there's no evidence what so ever that this is intentionally

4066
04:01:02,320 --> 04:01:06,800
Speaker 1: marketed towards children. Children are not good clients for for

4067
04:01:06,920 --> 04:01:10,200
Speaker 1: drug dealers, and these are just things that adults want.

4068
04:01:11,120 --> 04:01:14,840
Speaker 1: American adults are the ones buying these drugs. I guess

4069
04:01:14,880 --> 04:01:17,680
Speaker 1: can you speak more on how the d e as

4070
04:01:17,720 --> 04:01:21,640
Speaker 1: rhetorics around this thing, especially it's been like escalating the

4071
04:01:21,680 --> 04:01:24,000
Speaker 1: past few months leading up to Halloween, right, there's been

4072
04:01:24,040 --> 04:01:28,080
Speaker 1: a lot of heavily publicized seizures saying like we seized

4073
04:01:28,240 --> 04:01:33,000
Speaker 1: enough sentinel to kill five hundred million people or something like.

4074
04:01:33,080 --> 04:01:36,440
Speaker 1: They're like they they frame it in this really like

4075
04:01:36,960 --> 04:01:41,360
Speaker 1: bombastic way, and then you're there's a lot of stuff

4076
04:01:41,880 --> 04:01:46,240
Speaker 1: talking about how it's it's being hidden in like candy

4077
04:01:46,360 --> 04:01:48,200
Speaker 1: boxes and they're going to be giving it out on

4078
04:01:48,240 --> 04:01:51,160
Speaker 1: Halloween to your kids, And like, what is the d

4079
04:01:51,400 --> 04:01:54,280
Speaker 1: A doing? Like what what's their incentive for talking about

4080
04:01:54,320 --> 04:01:55,720
Speaker 1: it in this way? And obviously and you I can't

4081
04:01:55,800 --> 04:01:59,280
Speaker 1: like ask you, like what what is the d A doing? Ryan?

4082
04:01:59,560 --> 04:02:02,240
Speaker 1: Why are they deal like this? But like from your perspective,

4083
04:02:02,320 --> 04:02:05,520
Speaker 1: like like this rhetoric doesn't seem very helpful in terms

4084
04:02:05,560 --> 04:02:08,000
Speaker 1: of actually preventing overdoses. It seems to be kind of

4085
04:02:08,800 --> 04:02:12,960
Speaker 1: just fear mundering um specifically with stuff like like like

4086
04:02:13,120 --> 04:02:17,000
Speaker 1: like like with the drugs being hidden inside candy boxes.

4087
04:02:17,520 --> 04:02:20,440
Speaker 1: There's reasons for why people might do that to smuggle them.

4088
04:02:21,040 --> 04:02:22,760
Speaker 1: But with all of the rhetoric that the DA has

4089
04:02:22,800 --> 04:02:26,200
Speaker 1: been been pushing, like, is it like actually dangerous the

4090
04:02:26,240 --> 04:02:28,000
Speaker 1: way that they've been talking about it in terms of

4091
04:02:28,120 --> 04:02:30,640
Speaker 1: like it's not it's not talking about harm, production, is

4092
04:02:30,680 --> 04:02:33,040
Speaker 1: not talking about ways to actually help. It's just like

4093
04:02:33,200 --> 04:02:37,240
Speaker 1: scaring parents, it seems. Yeah. I mean, I think the

4094
04:02:37,400 --> 04:02:41,720
Speaker 1: d e A is solely a law enforcement agency. There

4095
04:02:41,920 --> 04:02:45,000
Speaker 1: is no one there involved in the treatment of addiction

4096
04:02:45,280 --> 04:02:48,520
Speaker 1: in terms of like addiction science, chemistry. No one there

4097
04:02:48,560 --> 04:02:52,440
Speaker 1: who is like a performer drug user even Um. So

4098
04:02:52,680 --> 04:02:55,080
Speaker 1: their motives are always suspect to me. And I think

4099
04:02:55,200 --> 04:02:58,880
Speaker 1: with this rainbow fentanel press release they put it out,

4100
04:02:59,080 --> 04:03:01,880
Speaker 1: there was no evidence behind it, that none of it

4101
04:03:02,040 --> 04:03:05,960
Speaker 1: made any sense. Um. The term rainbow fentanyl wasn't even

4102
04:03:06,040 --> 04:03:10,120
Speaker 1: searchable before August two when the d A made this announcement,

4103
04:03:10,160 --> 04:03:12,720
Speaker 1: which is is kind of crazy to think about. Um.

4104
04:03:12,840 --> 04:03:16,720
Speaker 1: And then within six weeks of that announcement, US Congress

4105
04:03:16,800 --> 04:03:19,880
Speaker 1: has pledged to give them hundreds of millions more dollars

4106
04:03:20,040 --> 04:03:23,520
Speaker 1: to quote unquote fight rainbow fentan all, which is again

4107
04:03:23,600 --> 04:03:26,760
Speaker 1: a thing that does not exist. Um. And I mean

4108
04:03:26,840 --> 04:03:29,160
Speaker 1: looking back, the d e A budget has gone up

4109
04:03:29,360 --> 04:03:33,640
Speaker 1: year on year hundreds of percent since like the nineteen eighties,

4110
04:03:33,680 --> 04:03:37,120
Speaker 1: but even within the context of our opioid overdose crisis

4111
04:03:37,480 --> 04:03:39,560
Speaker 1: has gone up year on year for all of the

4112
04:03:39,640 --> 04:03:42,400
Speaker 1: past I don't know however many years you want to

4113
04:03:42,440 --> 04:03:45,920
Speaker 1: look at it. Their department size grows every year, uh,

4114
04:03:46,000 --> 04:03:49,200
Speaker 1: and overdose deaths go up every year. So whatever they're

4115
04:03:49,240 --> 04:03:52,640
Speaker 1: doing is obviously not working. Um. And like you said,

4116
04:03:52,680 --> 04:03:58,360
Speaker 1: I mean, they particularly ignore in distract from things like

4117
04:03:58,440 --> 04:04:01,760
Speaker 1: harm reduction, from real and space measures and kind of

4118
04:04:01,880 --> 04:04:04,880
Speaker 1: public health investments that we could be making. And when

4119
04:04:04,920 --> 04:04:08,440
Speaker 1: it comes to hundreds of millions of dollars extra being

4120
04:04:08,760 --> 04:04:11,640
Speaker 1: thrown at the d e A for Rainbow fentannel, and

4121
04:04:11,760 --> 04:04:14,360
Speaker 1: we think back to, what was it just like last

4122
04:04:14,480 --> 04:04:19,080
Speaker 1: winter when the current administration set aside I think thirty

4123
04:04:19,120 --> 04:04:22,040
Speaker 1: million dollars towards harm reduction being the first time the

4124
04:04:22,080 --> 04:04:25,800
Speaker 1: federal government has put aside dedicated money for harm reduction,

4125
04:04:25,840 --> 04:04:29,000
Speaker 1: and that created its own kind of like moral panic

4126
04:04:29,320 --> 04:04:32,760
Speaker 1: backlash as well. Um, but thirty million dollars was the

4127
04:04:33,120 --> 04:04:36,520
Speaker 1: first and only federal investment in harm reduction, and yet

4128
04:04:36,760 --> 04:04:39,520
Speaker 1: three million dollars can be drummed up at the drop

4129
04:04:39,600 --> 04:04:44,680
Speaker 1: of a hat for an invented crisis. So it does

4130
04:04:44,760 --> 04:04:46,600
Speaker 1: really kind of beg the question of, like, what are

4131
04:04:46,640 --> 04:04:49,080
Speaker 1: we doing here? And why are we continuing to do

4132
04:04:49,200 --> 04:04:52,440
Speaker 1: things that don't work? What do you wish people knew

4133
04:04:52,680 --> 04:04:55,360
Speaker 1: that would help them maybe combat some of the misinformation

4134
04:04:55,480 --> 04:04:57,720
Speaker 1: that gets peddled by like lots of like local TV

4135
04:04:57,880 --> 04:05:01,120
Speaker 1: stations are very quick to cover types of stories, very

4136
04:05:01,160 --> 04:05:04,280
Speaker 1: quick to cover the stories of like your local cop

4137
04:05:04,480 --> 04:05:07,760
Speaker 1: just almost died at the school by getting within five

4138
04:05:07,840 --> 04:05:12,280
Speaker 1: ft of a sentinel vaporizer or something like like what

4139
04:05:12,640 --> 04:05:15,080
Speaker 1: what do you wish people knew to help like combat

4140
04:05:15,240 --> 04:05:18,400
Speaker 1: this type of stuff. I mean, it seems like common

4141
04:05:18,480 --> 04:05:21,520
Speaker 1: sense is just not common when it comes to drug topics.

4142
04:05:21,680 --> 04:05:24,080
Speaker 1: If the police were saying that people were giving out

4143
04:05:25,360 --> 04:05:28,240
Speaker 1: guns for Halloween, if they were saying that they found

4144
04:05:28,640 --> 04:05:32,600
Speaker 1: uranium or plutonium in a car and four officers went down,

4145
04:05:33,120 --> 04:05:37,560
Speaker 1: that would require serious consideration and fact checking before it

4146
04:05:37,680 --> 04:05:41,160
Speaker 1: ever was reported on or accepted. And so I mean,

4147
04:05:41,200 --> 04:05:43,720
Speaker 1: I think when it comes to this idea that someone

4148
04:05:43,880 --> 04:05:45,640
Speaker 1: was in a car with a bag of fentinyl and

4149
04:05:45,920 --> 04:05:48,560
Speaker 1: nobody in the car was affected, but the officers outside

4150
04:05:48,600 --> 04:05:51,920
Speaker 1: the car all went down, um like just basic kind

4151
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Speaker 1: of critical thinking or applying any lens of skepticism, I mean,

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Speaker 1: makes all of these narratives fall apart. So that would

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Speaker 1: be I mean, my biggest ask in people watching these stories.

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Speaker 1: I feel like the onus of responsibility really should be

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Speaker 1: on the ones who are reporting it, not to just

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Speaker 1: necessarily take the words of law enforcement as authority on

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Speaker 1: every subject, especially when they do not have the background

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Speaker 1: to be authorities on how things like ventinyl work. Before

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Speaker 1: we close out, I would like to talk a little

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Speaker 1: bit about narcan um like what it is, what it does,

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Speaker 1: and where people can get it. So Narcan is amazing.

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Speaker 1: I cannot say enough positive things about Narcan. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm not like a religious person or anything, but if

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Speaker 1: miracles were to exist, Narcan is literally a miracle, um

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Speaker 1: and especially if anyone has ever seen it in action.

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Speaker 1: But so, what it is for people who don't know,

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Speaker 1: Narcan is the brand name nasal spray of nilock Zone,

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Speaker 1: which is the antidote or the reversal agent for anyone

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Speaker 1: experiencing an opioid overdose, including fentyl. And there are no

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Speaker 1: opioids that Narcan does not work on. It isn't gonna

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Speaker 1: reverse every situation, certainly, um. But it is a perfect antidote,

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Speaker 1: so to speak, or as close to one as we

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Speaker 1: have ever had, um And So I mean, if you

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Speaker 1: are worried about someone experiencing an overdose, it's something that

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Speaker 1: you can carry or have nearby, and anyone can give it.

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Speaker 1: It was the nasal spray was actually designed with taxpayer dollars.

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Speaker 1: Interestingly enough um so that an untrained child could administer it,

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Speaker 1: and so it's very easy to use. It's very easy

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Speaker 1: to obtain for the most part, nowadays it's available and

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Speaker 1: I think almost every state without a prescription, you can

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Speaker 1: just go to your pharmacy and ask for it UM.

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Speaker 1: If you can't get it from like your local health

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Speaker 1: department or another harm reduction organization. But I have it

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Speaker 1: in my car and every work bag I have UM,

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Speaker 1: I take it with me when I travel. It's something

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Speaker 1: that people can carry and really makes a big difference.

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04:07:50,720 --> 04:07:54,200
Speaker 1: And obviously you don't want to experience or come across

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Speaker 1: someone having an overdose. But it's much better to have

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04:07:56,880 --> 04:08:00,080
Speaker 1: with you UM if you need it than to be

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Speaker 1: unprepared and have to kind of deal with the consequences.

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Speaker 1: And I think this far into this like opioid overdose

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Speaker 1: crisis that the United States and now most of the

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Speaker 1: world has been experiencing. Most people can probably think of

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Speaker 1: someone who they know who they've lost to overdose or

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Speaker 1: or similar situation UM, and you don't want to kind

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Speaker 1: of be stuck regretting it later. Well, thank you so much. UM.

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Speaker 1: Where can people find you on the internet? So I'm

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Speaker 1: mostly just on Twitter at Ryan Marino, just my name

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Speaker 1: on word all right, Well, thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: coming on to talk to us about the latest scourge

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Speaker 1: hiding inside your kid's Halloween basket. Thanks so with that,

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Speaker 1: that does it for us today here at it could

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Speaker 1: happen here? Um, have fun, tricker treating. Um, if you

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Speaker 1: have any drugs, good for you. I'm happy you got

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Speaker 1: this for free. Watch out for cars. Uh those are

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Speaker 1: actually day dress. And thanks thanks to everybody who attended

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Speaker 1: the recent It could Happen here live stream. Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for coming. I hope to get through more questions,

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Speaker 1: but we went a little long because there were so

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Speaker 1: many people. But I will I will answer two more

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Speaker 1: questions here. Did you know that the latest My Little

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Speaker 1: Pony movie has a literal xenophobobic fascist dictator as an antagonist? No,

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Speaker 1: I did not know that, but it's not surprising based

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Speaker 1: on what I know about the recent My Little Pony media.

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Speaker 1: And then, um, what do you think is the most

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Speaker 1: important thing somebody can have for a disaster or chaos preparedness?

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Speaker 1: My personal answer to that would probably be friends, friends,

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Speaker 1: really useful UM books on how to like make stuff

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Speaker 1: and like how to like you know, basically survival books

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Speaker 1: because you don't want to count on having the Internet.

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Speaker 1: And then I don't know, like water, water filters, water

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Speaker 1: purification tablets. Those would be those would be my picks.

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Speaker 1: But I hope everyone has a happy, happy Halloween and

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Speaker 1: that doesn't here for it Could Happen Here. Closing out

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Speaker 1: our Lady just Spooky week. Hey, We'll be back Monday

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Speaker 1: with more episodes every week from now until the heat

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Speaker 1: death of the Universe. It Could Happen Here is a

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Speaker 1: production of pool Zone Media. For more podcasts from cool

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Speaker 1: Zone Media, visit our website cool zone media dot com,

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Speaker 1: or check us out on the I Heart Radio app,

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Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. You can

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Speaker 1: find sources for It Could Happen Here, updated monthly at

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Speaker 1: cool zone Media dot com slash sources. Thanks for listening.