Speaker 1: Forever. Look man, oh, I see you, my lie, And
Speaker 1: look over there. How is that nulture? Yes? Goodness, you
Speaker 1: know what, Summer of cuntons is in full swing. Yes
Speaker 1: it is. Now. We're getting a little bit riled up
Speaker 1: today in the studio because well for several reasons. Yes,
Speaker 1: I've barely eaten today because I'm trying to figure out
Speaker 1: my goddamn diet for summer of cut so I can
Speaker 1: get shredded. Do you what's your what's your goal here
Speaker 1: to get shredded? Well, I want to lose that little
Speaker 1: bit of fat which was happening on my lower last
Speaker 1: thing to go, baby, that's the last thing to go.
Speaker 1: I feel like that's what people say, and I trust people. Well,
Speaker 1: at least we have the power and control to suck
Speaker 1: that part in. Yes, and I would also like, for
Speaker 1: the very first time in my life, a chest. Okay,
Speaker 1: But the thing is, I've seen you in baseball tease
Speaker 1: you have a little a little child. Know those are
Speaker 1: purposefully bought because they're the only shirts that will give
Speaker 1: me a chest at all. But by the end of
Speaker 1: the summer, we will have a chest. Okay, let's excavate it.
Speaker 1: And that's what all I'm saying, is that the food
Speaker 1: intake because I've been trying to cut out like lots
Speaker 1: of the carbs, a lot of carbs, trying to be
Speaker 1: a little healthier. Have been eating a salad every day
Speaker 1: as per your request, as per your suggestion. Rather, yeah,
Speaker 1: lately this seems like a common sense suggestion. Absolutely, absolutely
Speaker 1: it does. But what how have you been doing in
Speaker 1: your first days of the summer of I've I feel
Speaker 1: like I feel good. Um, I had like a little
Speaker 1: fever sort of throat situation that like really tempered my
Speaker 1: appetite and that helps sort of kick things. So good
Speaker 1: to be several of culture. It's great to be sick
Speaker 1: and I um, and you know, I'm just like sort
Speaker 1: of writing that momentum as for as long as I can.
Speaker 1: I'm coasting on that. But it's just it's a lot
Speaker 1: of kind bars, it's a lot of um, just salads,
Speaker 1: it's a lot of the morocuctan chicken pot at predamoj.
Speaker 1: You were swearing by sweet Green, and I love even
Speaker 1: though I've come for sweet Green on this pod you have,
Speaker 1: But it's a love hate is a love hate relation.
Speaker 1: I don't have a love hate relation with our guests.
Speaker 1: What a great seguay, isn't it. I love HPJ has
Speaker 1: his face in between us, is you're do you think?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, my iTunes are was playing Oh my
Speaker 1: don't I want that to be real? And raw? I
Speaker 1: wanted to be on the podcast that that's how hands
Speaker 1: on HPJ. P J walked over and tended to us
Speaker 1: like a little he. At first, my instinct was to
Speaker 1: be very furious at HPJ. Yes, I was like, what
Speaker 1: is he doing? What's going on? He always looks out
Speaker 1: for us, he does, He's he's grand. Tara Able at
Speaker 1: York Magazine specifically tweeted at us, we demand more hot
Speaker 1: producer content. Wow, and now you're gain and now you're
Speaker 1: getting an HPJ babys Um. But while the reason I
Speaker 1: am so angry, I think is because I had that
Speaker 1: ingenious segue. It's such a good segue. So let's let's
Speaker 1: get into it again. It's a love hate relationship. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know who? I don't have a love hate relationship
Speaker 1: with our gats. That's such a good segue. It really was. Okay,
Speaker 1: So but when can you explain um a little bit
Speaker 1: about our guests? Our guests? UM has really just woven
Speaker 1: his way into you know, the New York mytho taking
Speaker 1: it by storm, taking it by storm, like just just
Speaker 1: landed upon this, this derelict place, and and sort of
Speaker 1: renewed it and sort of gave it life a new
Speaker 1: A Wiliam Michelle once said, like a cannon ball. He
Speaker 1: flying a cannonball. And let's go through the credits. He's
Speaker 1: a staff writer at the True TV show Paid Off, Amazing,
Speaker 1: Amazing show and um. He is forming in Larry's Musical
Speaker 1: Breakdown at Caveat on July nine, as well as putting
Speaker 1: Putting You All Together with James Jackson Jr. August two
Speaker 1: at Below. Wow. Um, that venue just sort of escaped
Speaker 1: me because you always want to say that's exactly why,
Speaker 1: But it's it's Larry Owens and James Jackson Jr. Doing
Speaker 1: the works of santime and we will get into some
Speaker 1: time with our guests. We're going to get into. Please
Speaker 1: welcome Larry Owens. Larry Owens is Christ and grew Larry.
Speaker 1: It's gotta go. It's gonna be falsetto. It's oh, there's
Speaker 1: a note, thank you, let me try it again. Vocal wait.
Speaker 1: I told you I was vulnerable before Okay, you don't
Speaker 1: have to look talk about the vulnerability vocally vulnerable. The
Speaker 1: allergies are out or tech. I'm also on a fucked
Speaker 1: up diet, and so when I take a RT TECH,
Speaker 1: I am wild crazy. It's almost like when Rosanteckson and
Speaker 1: stop it. I'm just gonna go to Paul Abdul. I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm a Paul Abdual moments, I'm like no, yeah,
Speaker 1: but like also spacey, like you know, no, I get that.
Speaker 1: So I didn't have been taking his artek because it's
Speaker 1: making me crazy. But you know, the pollen is out.
Speaker 1: You know, maybe that's why we're feeling a little bit sick,
Speaker 1: because we were all discussing how we're all feeling a
Speaker 1: little bit under the web. Yeah yeah, you know, we
Speaker 1: all have a little bit of stuff. But it's that texture.
Speaker 1: It's that good good, you know, experience on the voice
Speaker 1: that's a good good means nothing. I'm just gasping. I'm like, so,
Speaker 1: I can't believe. I looked at Bowen. I beheld Bowen
Speaker 1: and I was like breathless. Always it's like like like
Speaker 1: what are you doing? And I'm like, boone, I'm just
Speaker 1: enjoying your presence and let me be enough. Please that is.
Speaker 1: Can I tell you something? We will never forget. We
Speaker 1: will never fend the very first time we saw. Yes,
Speaker 1: I will never forget because when you were it excited
Speaker 1: me when you were talking about watching Larry take the
Speaker 1: city by storm, because we truly saw the beginning you
Speaker 1: unearthed men. No, but it's give us to think I
Speaker 1: credit you truly, Like not, what were you doing in
Speaker 1: New York before that faithful night of the Duplex when
Speaker 1: you fucking tore up What was that song? He did?
Speaker 1: I think he did? He did? You did Sunday fucking thing? Well,
Speaker 1: So to give us some background, what what brought you here?
Speaker 1: You bi? Oh my god? Well, like I I, in
Speaker 1: a really really idiotic way thought that as like a
Speaker 1: fat black kid in Baltimore, I could be a lead
Speaker 1: in musical theater on Broadway. So I was like until
Speaker 1: like you know, kind of like that night, that faithful
Speaker 1: December night when Jordan Person and I walked into the
Speaker 1: Duplex and it was you, both of you call Henry
Speaker 1: behind the piano. It was like and I was like,
Speaker 1: what is going on? These people are like inclusive, hilarious,
Speaker 1: like politically minded, like find you someone, yeah, because Trump
Speaker 1: has just been elected, and so I was actually desolate.
Speaker 1: I was like very very sad, and I and you know,
Speaker 1: like wokenness is actually like it's over now, but like
Speaker 1: it began somewhere, you know what I mean. So like
Speaker 1: I was sleeping and then I met you guys, and
Speaker 1: I feel like you guys taught me, like on that night,
Speaker 1: how I could be all parts of myself and know
Speaker 1: and not divided up. I always feel like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: this is my Baltimore side, this is my New York side,
Speaker 1: this is my musical theater, this is writing. But you guys,
Speaker 1: like all your entire world is about just doing and
Speaker 1: like being magnanimous and literally too much. But I will,
Speaker 1: I will say that that feeling is it's slightly misplaced
Speaker 1: to ut. I think it was Henry. I think I
Speaker 1: think it was Henry bringing everyone together because Henry was
Speaker 1: the one that started doing the Duplex nights and like, yes,
Speaker 1: Henry is great, He'll be here later, we will. I
Speaker 1: want to exalt you too, because I've been I've been
Speaker 1: listening to the pod and just like falling into, as
Speaker 1: you said, like the world of like what we all
Speaker 1: do and so it's just like crazy, it's crazy. Well
Speaker 1: you're so fucking good. I mean, that's the Here's the
Speaker 1: thing is, it's like it's you know, sometimes you're you're
Speaker 1: like you see a lot of talented people. You see
Speaker 1: a lot of talent. You see a lot of times
Speaker 1: in this business. Let me tell you, honey, Wow, that
Speaker 1: was that hot. That take was so hot Bowen's headphones,
Speaker 1: his wig. Do you need some pins down secure the wig?
Speaker 1: You see a lot of talented people. Yes. And what
Speaker 1: I'm saying is that was out of control. The how amazing,
Speaker 1: thank you for thank you, and that that's like what
Speaker 1: I So when I like sort of got up the
Speaker 1: confidence and I started stalking Peter Smith at their shows,
Speaker 1: I would go to believe like over like that was
Speaker 1: last summer and I was just like wow, like even
Speaker 1: this person is doing so much in one and and
Speaker 1: so then when I got back from my summerside, geck,
Speaker 1: I was just doing musical theater. I truly was like
Speaker 1: and acting like I was like dying to be in
Speaker 1: a play. But as a musical theater performer, they won't
Speaker 1: like being a play without a Yale drama degree, And
Speaker 1: as a musical theater you have to be a white girl,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I was insane. I
Speaker 1: was in a holding pattern where I was like perfecting
Speaker 1: my craft. I went to step them off to study
Speaker 1: acting and to get all of that, and then in Chicago,
Speaker 1: and then I came back and I was like doing
Speaker 1: the work that I do now, but for people like
Speaker 1: who could what is the phrase could not care less?
Speaker 1: Couldn't care who couldn't care less? But then you guys
Speaker 1: cared a lot. You care so much. You care for me?
Speaker 1: We do, but you care about me? Well we have to.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing I think, and I think it's no,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's signed up sort of interesting and fun.
Speaker 1: What's happening with like like the queer and queer adjacent
Speaker 1: community in comedy in New York. And then that's kind
Speaker 1: of branched out a little bit because we do care
Speaker 1: about each other, and like we gave each other a home.
Speaker 1: Because while I think a lot of the theaters are,
Speaker 1: you know, accepting and encouraging, there's no you have to
Speaker 1: really go out and make your own space, like where
Speaker 1: And that's I guess why. I attribute a lot of
Speaker 1: that too Henry because he literally got behind the piano
Speaker 1: and played songs for us to sing along to. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there we need that. And the Duplex really did become
Speaker 1: a space because that was before Katherine was performing there,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like the time when Cole
Speaker 1: was the only person sort of doing God, grand grandfather, yes, grandfather.
Speaker 1: I am the coolest goal of black women. That's what
Speaker 1: I wanted to do. Honey, you you you are that.
Speaker 1: Thank you. With my wigs, Cole, he takes on the
Speaker 1: behavior white women. I take on the circumstances of black women.
Speaker 1: So we're not laughing at these black women. Ever, you
Speaker 1: will never be laughing at the black woman who's a wig.
Speaker 1: I'm wearing the circumstances the world that is twisting her
Speaker 1: into like you know what I mean, Like imagine if
Speaker 1: operh wasn't black, like she would be a jillionaire, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like on Davis, like are you
Speaker 1: kidding me? Are you kidding me? It took forty six
Speaker 1: years for someone to notice her talent. So I'm glad
Speaker 1: that I fell into the Duplex and truly like you
Speaker 1: were able, you know, to care about and recognize my talent.
Speaker 1: And then the spaces that you had created, these queer inclusive,
Speaker 1: non ironic, sincere, actual joke driven. It has to actually
Speaker 1: be funny, not predicated on you know, bullshit spaces and
Speaker 1: and you created somewhere where I felt like I could
Speaker 1: be risky and also like do the ship that you know,
Speaker 1: like you really wanted to. Like little kid. Larry was like, no, bitch,
Speaker 1: you can sing like a Sonhei Medley at a at
Speaker 1: a dive bar and people will like get it. They
Speaker 1: will get that it's you know, don't understand how you're
Speaker 1: doing it. And so there was freedom there. You guys
Speaker 1: gave me a lot of freedom. Oh my god, well listen,
Speaker 1: I received Okay, I was. I was not doing character
Speaker 1: comedy before I met you. I saw my base, my
Speaker 1: real off of Matt Rodgers is real that I saw Jason.
Speaker 1: I could never afford to go to the U c
Speaker 1: B or to slay for them for the classes, thank god.
Speaker 1: And you dodged a fucking bullet there you yeah, intact
Speaker 1: girl shade. I that's what I said. Well, you two
Speaker 1: were being shady. I am still on a team. So
Speaker 1: it's lait a month until I get real shady. We'll
Speaker 1: speak on your behalf. Like as someone who like put
Speaker 1: in all the fucking money in the world and that
Speaker 1: system and having nothing in return, like receiving nothing in
Speaker 1: between except for the community, which is great like whatever.
Speaker 1: You know, I guess it was. I gotta give it
Speaker 1: some credit. It was like it did start there that then,
Speaker 1: like you know, like like sort of like each other
Speaker 1: from from what you're not from UCB. I don't mean
Speaker 1: like Boone and I started there. I just mean, like,
Speaker 1: you know what it meant to have like a comedy community.
Speaker 1: I guess started um with you know what was still
Speaker 1: like I think like the widespread embracing of UCB, which
Speaker 1: I think has changed a little bit for better or work,
Speaker 1: you know, and I'm like learning like how like to
Speaker 1: like navigate the comedy community. And also like I feel
Speaker 1: like I like brought in a lot of like stuff
Speaker 1: from television about like what comics are, and it's like
Speaker 1: not that so like I like I don't even realize
Speaker 1: like how even I don't know we accessible everybody. But
Speaker 1: then now you have people look up to you like
Speaker 1: and with in like a fucking years worth of work
Speaker 1: and time, you know. I started doing my first sets
Speaker 1: in September and November. Yeah, but that's the cycle like
Speaker 1: that's that is such an accelerated timeline in such a
Speaker 1: great way because it speaks to your your your work, ethic,
Speaker 1: your talent, everything. My god. I also have to say
Speaker 1: that I think that what gets you there's there's this
Speaker 1: idea that like, if you aren't grinding in the comedy community,
Speaker 1: you aren't doing comedy, no, because what makes you the
Speaker 1: artist that you are is all of that very very
Speaker 1: very cultivated, lived in skillage that you got from from
Speaker 1: being like a musical theater performer, from being Larry for
Speaker 1: all those years. And now you're able to imbue your comedy,
Speaker 1: which is the way, which is the funnel through which
Speaker 1: you've choosen to put your gifts into that So it
Speaker 1: is it's like many many years of work, and it's
Speaker 1: not just it's not just this thing of like you know,
Speaker 1: I took through whatever the fuck class that you see
Speaker 1: be and was on a team there, etcetera. Just now
Speaker 1: I think we're starting to open our eyes a little
Speaker 1: bit because I think we're forced to open our eyes
Speaker 1: a little bit in New York um and and I
Speaker 1: don't know how it is in other cities, but possibly
Speaker 1: as well, like to other ways you can expose your
Speaker 1: talent because everyone's on fucking internet every like this, The
Speaker 1: UCB is so saturated. Everyone's where people just given up.
Speaker 1: Anyone can, like, you know, make a joke. You know,
Speaker 1: anyone can whistle anyone. That's what they're say. Easy, what's
Speaker 1: hard is simple, what's hard is simple? Now listen, but
Speaker 1: comes hard? It seems hard. I don't know, check n
Speaker 1: it's easy to be hard, different but still, you know,
Speaker 1: what are the century can in American cannoning people? I'll
Speaker 1: say that, what do we what do we think of Lee?
Speaker 1: Of um? Lee? What's her face? Lee? The one who's
Speaker 1: saying anyone can whistle? The one who originated who Sondheim's beard?
Speaker 1: Sondheim like was that was like the one woman that
Speaker 1: he like would have with you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like it didn't work out. What do you make of
Speaker 1: Kla Skulls comments saying I don't remember the tweet exactly
Speaker 1: or the quote, but he's like, Wow, Leelee Remick fucking sucks,
Speaker 1: she's trash, she's terrible. I agree with him. Wow, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I get that, Like that's what it took to be
Speaker 1: a star in that era. But that is actually all
Speaker 1: that I bulk against. Why is she the air apparent
Speaker 1: to the Sondheim mantel, But yet I cannot play a
Speaker 1: single character in it or be cast as myself today. Wow,
Speaker 1: so fucky remick, pretty nose in her blonde hair, all
Speaker 1: of it. I love this. Yeah, And so she had
Speaker 1: preternatural talent. She was coming up with a Stritch you know,
Speaker 1: icon of clastic. You know what I mean? Then we
Speaker 1: love right, that's what we love. That lovely Oh my god,
Speaker 1: last name, We're just gonna be I'm gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 1: a long time to figure out her last name. And
Speaker 1: you know what they say, No, it's actually rule number
Speaker 1: fifty two of culture. If it takes a long time
Speaker 1: to remember the last name, that's it. Look, Larry, I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna be up friend and say, at least speak,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna speak for myself and say, I cannot match
Speaker 1: the intellection. How how you've so robustly intellectualized Sondheim's work.
Speaker 1: I cannot match you with where you like your mind
Speaker 1: is like, it actually hurts me to hang out with you,
Speaker 1: because it reminds me, honestly, the only person who's made
Speaker 1: me like that intellectually intimidate to hang out with Dame
Speaker 1: Helen Miren, Helen Mirren. Talk about Helen because this is
Speaker 1: real lariously with Helen and we're cute together. Yes, we've
Speaker 1: spent a couple of holidays videos. Yes we have videos,
Speaker 1: and we do the whole bit about I don't want
Speaker 1: to talk about I want to say that she has
Speaker 1: a huge intellectualism that like, yeah, that like I'm like
Speaker 1: fine with slabs. I can like I'm fine with slabs,
Speaker 1: but like but like but yeah exactly. But like when
Speaker 1: you're like how you know, matched in the wits, I
Speaker 1: truly feel like, you know, I shut up and I
Speaker 1: get so like clammy. It's hard. But my Sondheim obsession
Speaker 1: is because for my entire life I was told this
Speaker 1: is the supreme master of the art form that you
Speaker 1: want to master, and so me like being like a
Speaker 1: twelve year old black boy who like went like to
Speaker 1: high school, you know, at boarding school, and like was
Speaker 1: so like academic like achievement based, merit based. I'm thinking
Speaker 1: in my mind, if I can master the works of
Speaker 1: Stephen Sondheim, They're gonna let me be in one of
Speaker 1: his musicals. The infrastructure, you know what I mean? On Woke,
Speaker 1: I did not know there are no like I like,
Speaker 1: I did not realize that I can't name the people
Speaker 1: who do what I want to do in an entire
Speaker 1: industry because there was no space for that. And so
Speaker 1: I dumbly thought that like if I made myself an
Speaker 1: expert on this on like the knowledge of it, I
Speaker 1: thought that the knowledge would give me like a pass.
Speaker 1: Then I thought that the proficiency of performing it would
Speaker 1: like add something to it. But again that industry is
Speaker 1: trysh and and and I like, I'm so happy to
Speaker 1: be where I am where like I can still I'm
Speaker 1: not like, I'm not bitter about that, and actually have
Speaker 1: a musical that's going to be a player. It's risings
Speaker 1: in I will be the black queer protagonist of a
Speaker 1: musical that takes place. And it happened. We developed it
Speaker 1: for three years and they and they gave us the
Speaker 1: green light and we're going an exclusive announce I mean
Speaker 1: it's a soft announced an. Yeah, we always need the
Speaker 1: press release, but yeah, we always What was it? Where
Speaker 1: did Titus spur just play the Witch and into the woods?
Speaker 1: I think that was a Kansas City rep Kansas or
Speaker 1: maybe it was in a concert Badway not Broadway, honey, Yeah, yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's performed it a few places, so you can grab
Speaker 1: it online. A son, I'm actually granted Billy Porter, like
Speaker 1: way back when they were doing the Vanessa Williams revival,
Speaker 1: Like he was like very into Billy playing the role.
Speaker 1: But that was, you know, fifteen years ago, so like
Speaker 1: it wasn't you know, like he was interested at ease,
Speaker 1: you know, intrigued. But it's the infrastructure of their trash.
Speaker 1: So you you do feel this complete and maybe not complete,
Speaker 1: but this ah sort of discernible separation from that infrastructure.
Speaker 1: Now you're like totally extra, you know. I mean, like
Speaker 1: I'm still doing, like I still work at fifth places.
Speaker 1: You can't even name fifty four below, like which is
Speaker 1: like above fourteens do you know? Like I'll dabble and like,
Speaker 1: you know, do your reading bring me something good? No
Speaker 1: one there is writing for me because they cannot monetize
Speaker 1: me because I don't know, I'm ugly, but like in
Speaker 1: their eyes, in their eyes society and society, we're gonna
Speaker 1: talk about their lens. You know how I feel about
Speaker 1: myself very good, but yeah, so I don't know, We're
Speaker 1: just gonna let them have that and then only for me,
Speaker 1: I have my show, and so it's like I actually
Speaker 1: don't even need to talk about it a lot, just
Speaker 1: like I'm ready for Watershed, A Strange Loop Playwrights, Arizons,
Speaker 1: book music and lyrics by Michael R. Jackson. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: Michael R. Jackson, the other Michael Jackson walk. He can
Speaker 1: do more than that with his brain. So we just
Speaker 1: mentioned many cultural influences. But here's the thing is that
Speaker 1: And I also feel like we haven't asked this question
Speaker 1: here a long time because you've had a lot of returns,
Speaker 1: but you know, talking so much about what's um formed
Speaker 1: you and your ideas and like your talents, but we
Speaker 1: have to ask you specifically the question of what was
Speaker 1: the culture that made you say, Larry Owens culture was
Speaker 1: for you? It was when you picked up the phone,
Speaker 1: and you know at this time it was it was
Speaker 1: one of those phones were that were on the wall,
Speaker 1: and so you couldn't go very far. You couldn't run
Speaker 1: from this culture rights because it was actually connected to
Speaker 1: the wall. So when you put the receiver to your ear,
Speaker 1: it said, high, this is culture, and you had to answer,
Speaker 1: this is Larry. And then and then you asked, and
Speaker 1: who who am I speaking to? And who answered, who answered.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's like I didn't really have a choice.
Speaker 1: I just was like responding to like what was all
Speaker 1: around me. So like black culture, church culture, and then
Speaker 1: TV culture, like those are like my big three. It's
Speaker 1: just like blackness is like the richest, most influential culture,
Speaker 1: like everyone's to beat us but also be us, and
Speaker 1: so like from that like strife and also that like poaching,
Speaker 1: like we just have such a bounty. Like it's like
Speaker 1: I part of why I feel like unimpressive is because
Speaker 1: the people in my like you know, horrible Baltimore neighborhood,
Speaker 1: all like our winning and humorous and can sing and
Speaker 1: like ken moonwalk and split and you know, death dropping.
Speaker 1: It's just like it flows in our blood. So I
Speaker 1: feel like that like that like is something that like
Speaker 1: I honestly kind of took for granted and how it
Speaker 1: plays into my talent just being like, no, I am
Speaker 1: blessed with the inheritance of like of culture. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: that is a fucking answer. I love. I am blessed
Speaker 1: with the inheritance, blessed with the inheritance of culture. And
Speaker 1: speaking of blessings, the church so you know they're singing
Speaker 1: down and you know and Pentecostal church and actually that
Speaker 1: kind of stunned in my growth because I wanted to
Speaker 1: sing in the church and I actually wasn't good enough
Speaker 1: because the singers are so good, Okay, not Pentecostal is yes,
Speaker 1: is the us the whole bit, the whole bit, but
Speaker 1: the whole thing, Yeah, everything bad you could think of?
Speaker 1: Really do you want to do? We want to talk
Speaker 1: about it. What do you want to do? Okay? I
Speaker 1: want to ask is okay? Well, what was your way
Speaker 1: of reckoning with that as an adult? Because I find
Speaker 1: this to be like a deeply, deeply fascinating question that
Speaker 1: most people have an answer to in some way where
Speaker 1: most people who grew up religious, Um, what was your
Speaker 1: way as an adult of like sort of extricating yourself
Speaker 1: from that? Because I feel like there's just some some
Speaker 1: trauma that you know, just just just intrinsic of itself.
Speaker 1: There's so much trauma, and like as like recently, as
Speaker 1: like three weeks, I've just begun to perform like physical
Speaker 1: therapy on myself in terms of just like cranial fascial
Speaker 1: like loosening of like those traumas. And I was like,
Speaker 1: why am I holding onto this stuff that like does
Speaker 1: not serve me. And like like the anti gayness the
Speaker 1: like honestly like slaveship rhetoric that like is still handed
Speaker 1: out to like black women at large and and gay
Speaker 1: black men. So like the Bible was used in slavery
Speaker 1: like to control the slaves. And so it's like God
Speaker 1: says this and then it's absolute. And so like my mother,
Speaker 1: God bless her heart, is of great survivalist. Like she
Speaker 1: she put into me that fear of God and the
Speaker 1: fear of the law, and like that fear kept me
Speaker 1: alive to this point, you know, as a black man
Speaker 1: not getting like killed, but I actually have to give
Speaker 1: life on stage every night and bring forth life. So
Speaker 1: I've had to remove a lot of that fear that
Speaker 1: kept me alive and knowing that, like you know what,
Speaker 1: I can't control how the world is going to receive me,
Speaker 1: but I can control kind of in a way, like
Speaker 1: if I'm accessing like the love inside of my room. Power.
Speaker 1: Yeah wow, that is so amazing. Yeah. The Crannial fashion release,
Speaker 1: So that little pouch you have is actually fascia. You
Speaker 1: can just rub that you just have to use Literally
Speaker 1: I rubbed it out and it felt amazing God, and
Speaker 1: now I won an Emmy. No, you're cut, You're cut, cunt, honey, Matt,
Speaker 1: Now you're even hotter. What more can you need? Wait?
Speaker 1: What do you feel like? Do you feel like you
Speaker 1: need to be marvel like? Are you changing brands? Need
Speaker 1: to be in a superhero? What? What? What is cutting
Speaker 1: for you? What's the drive? Okay, what do you mean?
Speaker 1: I would like to I would like to look in
Speaker 1: the mirror and feel good. Feel Look, don't give me that.
Speaker 1: Stop it. HPJ is shaking his head. Relative I always stop.
Speaker 1: We're on this couch together. You're betterment is in the
Speaker 1: eye of the beholder, and that is that. Okay, I
Speaker 1: know that that's the summer of summer of kunt. I
Speaker 1: just want to feel not as tired all the time,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And then look in the
Speaker 1: look in the mirror and be like, maybe I don't
Speaker 1: feel so tired because I you know, standing up a
Speaker 1: little bit straighter, even just this week working out a
Speaker 1: little bit. I feel my back straightening, I feel myself
Speaker 1: slouching less. Yeah, which is good. No, same, same I've been.
Speaker 1: I've been vegetarian for the past three I started keeping
Speaker 1: a food diary yeah, I was gonna like play this
Speaker 1: diva at like a concert venue and it was a thing.
Speaker 1: And so I was like very much like in a
Speaker 1: process of like becoming that person. Like I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: just to be like fit and like you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, and feel comfortable and like be like awesome,
Speaker 1: you know, the same behind the beholder, you know. So
Speaker 1: I've like I've you know, tried to eat clean and
Speaker 1: I do. I feel great good. It feels it feels better, um.
Speaker 1: But what doesn't feel good is like denying yourself things
Speaker 1: like you want like a site of pizza or something,
Speaker 1: and they're like, no, bitch, no, I don't eat it.
Speaker 1: It's bad. But it's not saying you can never read
Speaker 1: pizza again, not all the day every day. But but
Speaker 1: I do want to go back to something you just said,
Speaker 1: which I think is something that people at home can
Speaker 1: can access within themselves as well. People people I think
Speaker 1: are listening, okay, um, which is the fear of being
Speaker 1: everything that makes you brilliant because your history has told
Speaker 1: you that's going to get you in trouble. That is
Speaker 1: something really powerful or it's this thing of un learning,
Speaker 1: this this instinct of or whatever this sum on learning
Speaker 1: this message that's been sort of uh shouted at you
Speaker 1: from above of just like that's not for you, that's
Speaker 1: that's for them. Yeah, and who is that person? You're
Speaker 1: not me, bitch, I'm president of my body, the Kingdom,
Speaker 1: the Kingdom of I want to book a trip there?
Speaker 1: How much for five nights six? It's probably like ten
Speaker 1: dollars a cavat July nine, Like that is my god? Alright,
Speaker 1: So listen, we've we talked so much about how funning,
Speaker 1: brilliant you are, like a taste of that fact. I
Speaker 1: don't watch this taste. I want the whole bit. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: So I think we should perform this very first song. Um,
Speaker 1: and this is a track which was composed well you
Speaker 1: bring this ouse. This is this is the very first
Speaker 1: song I've ever written in my life. I read the
Speaker 1: music of lyrics. Henry Kaperski arranged it and he'll be
Speaker 1: playing it on this track. And um, it's inspired by
Speaker 1: someone that we all know and loved. I was a
Speaker 1: Sydney in Washington and I was complaining about how I'll
Speaker 1: never fall in love. And actually I downloaded co star
Speaker 1: app and I put in my sign and my astrology said,
Speaker 1: you will never fall in love. And so Sydney was like,
Speaker 1: Sidney was like, but sometimes people are just like, not
Speaker 1: mess me, People like look at Oprah. And so I
Speaker 1: was like, that's not comforting, Sydney. But then I wrote
Speaker 1: this song, so it is like it. Yeah, it is Oprah.
Speaker 1: It's Oprah. It's called the Ballad of Oprah. Alright, great,
Speaker 1: I want to hear this imminently, imminently. I'm Oprah Winfrey.
Speaker 1: I don't need a husband. I have a Stegman. I
Speaker 1: am my own husband. I am my own husband. I
Speaker 1: have a stegman. I don't need a husband who says
Speaker 1: that Mother Earth needs to have. Oh, I am the
Speaker 1: mother of America. I define who am I am? Obrah.
Speaker 1: I'm Oprah Winfrey, world's first black fan male young man.
Speaker 1: Who would mind you better? Fucking no, already throw those
Speaker 1: those up in the air. Parade, I'm oh parade. Stab man, stabman, stabman,
Speaker 1: stab man, stab miss step Man. You're fitting up beat
Speaker 1: by fake husband, or you could be a dead man,
Speaker 1: multiple choices. Here you ts this life. But she wants
Speaker 1: some note that I'm never ever ever gonna be your wife. Hey,
Speaker 1: step man, stabmis DAMMI step miss stabman, step man, tell
Speaker 1: me feather light or make it heavy like some let man.
Speaker 1: Oh man are greeting and you're a dirty pup, so
Speaker 1: lap it up, eat it up, steady, put it in
Speaker 1: the cup. I don't need a husband. I'm a husband.
Speaker 1: I have a standman. Do you have a husband. Do
Speaker 1: you have a standman? Oh, you are a stateman. I
Speaker 1: don't need a husband. I am a husband. I have
Speaker 1: a standman. And when the wind he's free your best
Speaker 1: believe that win free. You will relieve the pain that
Speaker 1: rains down upon us through sieves. I speak life in
Speaker 1: to you recundantly. You'll live My chn read books, check
Speaker 1: beneath your chairs, the color Purple, Alice Walker, my favorite
Speaker 1: things to kind of Time, cruise, wht got nothing left
Speaker 1: to lose? Good but a game that pain. Still a
Speaker 1: little castor side black woman. Part of me remains from
Speaker 1: my pudge lit little brown girl back in Kakouski, New City,
Speaker 1: who would always watch the TV even when my mom
Speaker 1: could love me. Now I am Mother Earth. So you
Speaker 1: already fucking now, Oprah declar legends ball my ball, bitch.
Speaker 1: You are invited to the next one, Honey, you better
Speaker 1: be at the next Let Yeah, that was the story
Speaker 1: of her life and just so virtuosic and so so
Speaker 1: well done. I mean, damn, such a compelling person. Watch. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. It's really it's crazy. It's similar to um,
Speaker 1: you know, we've had people come into the studio before
Speaker 1: and we do episodes like this, musical episodes and you
Speaker 1: have to stake them out and watch them perform live.
Speaker 1: Because that just been today. I mean, like you are
Speaker 1: a fucking actress. I'm sweating on this couch. Definitely. That
Speaker 1: was my first time I've ever done it. That was
Speaker 1: the debut of this song. I'm actually gonna go to
Speaker 1: a show and do it live right after this. Excited
Speaker 1: to see what happens to happen. Also that it will
Speaker 1: get the whole of the children. My wig is bad
Speaker 1: for right now, but you get a big The work
Speaker 1: is the wig. I am the calls gol black women warm.
Speaker 1: I won't say it a guy. I sometimes say that
Speaker 1: I'm the color School of young white girls and bowen,
Speaker 1: I'm the color School of Asian female at a trick, yes,
Speaker 1: a literary fissures. Else, I was underway who in a
Speaker 1: way creates words with fashion. Absolutely okay, bitch, that was unreal, unbelieva.
Speaker 1: But by the way he was sitting in the fu
Speaker 1: he's so fun. The whole time he did that sitting okay,
Speaker 1: lounged back, and I think it made it harder. My god,
Speaker 1: when I stand up, there's going to be a fucking
Speaker 1: print of me, like like a sweatprint of me and
Speaker 1: then swampy back. Ronnie better never washed that out of
Speaker 1: that couch. It's rosewater, It's holy. Ronnie just said he
Speaker 1: loves it. He said, I saw it. What did you
Speaker 1: think of that performance? Amazing? Beautiful? Thank you Okay, oh
Speaker 1: my god, thank you Henry for making that track and
Speaker 1: for arranging the funk out of that. He snuck in
Speaker 1: while we were recording, because he's gonna live a company
Speaker 1: the next one. Hello Henry again, Well, it's great to
Speaker 1: have you heard. You did a wonderful job recording that track,
Speaker 1: and it was so awesome that you prerecorded because I've
Speaker 1: never got to watch Larry because I've always been playing
Speaker 1: and yeah, I just had was staring at him the
Speaker 1: whole time. What do you think the first your first
Speaker 1: time seeing it didn't work? Yes, yes, I'm so nervous, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like a big show for me from like me,
Speaker 1: like you know, six months in comedy me, I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, why am I on this lineup? And
Speaker 1: so I'm afraid. That's another thing is like it takes
Speaker 1: so long to get comfortable performing your own work in
Speaker 1: front of people, and there's so much success and failure,
Speaker 1: and like it's true, like the trunk aided nature of
Speaker 1: like how much everyone loves you and your work now
Speaker 1: it's like so impressive. I'm so nervous to go do
Speaker 1: this live. I hope I hope that the wig doesn't
Speaker 1: kill it. No, no, never rests on the wig. Look, Henry,
Speaker 1: before you got here, we spent a good amount of
Speaker 1: time sort of just live lifting you up and talking
Speaker 1: about how you you brought us together and and how
Speaker 1: like you you you are a very emblematic and representative
Speaker 1: of this the inclusiveness of this community. He plays for
Speaker 1: all the icon plays for every Scola you hit. Henry
Speaker 1: behind Larry Hand, I got hand. You know it was
Speaker 1: a coup, but I got him that night at the Duplex.
Speaker 1: We'll go down in history. It's so funny. We were
Speaker 1: talking about and spent like a hundred minutes. Guys. I
Speaker 1: think I think it was December eighteen, like I think
Speaker 1: it's on this day. I took a picture and like, mom,
Speaker 1: this day, like and it really like I'm like so
Speaker 1: gay about it. Oh, I said it, but like that's
Speaker 1: really you know, I was saying like derocketory but meaning
Speaker 1: that I'm just like obsessive over yeah, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, like we love Lore, we love Mythos,
Speaker 1: we love you know what I mean, and like that
Speaker 1: the stars were like walk in. We ended up my
Speaker 1: friend Jordan, I ended up at the Duplex because I
Speaker 1: did not have my idea and we knew that we
Speaker 1: could like just kind of ok on but like and
Speaker 1: we did, being like, you know, very legal and so
Speaker 1: like that's how we could have been anywhere that night.
Speaker 1: And I like that the title of this EPP will
Speaker 1: be Mythos and Grander, but it's true. Henry, we were
Speaker 1: talking about how you know, it was very much you know,
Speaker 1: it like a community that was really surrounded around you.
Speaker 1: Listen to the app. You don't have to repeat it.
Speaker 1: I'm blushing. That's so sweet and amazing to hear. Tell
Speaker 1: them about your show that's coming up, Oh I am.
Speaker 1: I have a solo show called Halo pop and I'm
Speaker 1: doing my sixth and final performance on June twelve at
Speaker 1: the Good Old Duplex on Christopher Street at nine thirty UM,
Speaker 1: and it's the last time to do that. My parents
Speaker 1: are coming, and this show is very important to me
Speaker 1: and it represents like a huge shift in my life
Speaker 1: and I think that everyone could get something out of
Speaker 1: it if I can be so bold to say that,
Speaker 1: And so you should come if you're free. That night,
Speaker 1: three times I cried. Every time I cried, I wept.
Speaker 1: I like, I like put my head on the brick
Speaker 1: wall the Duplex and I was just like, Henry, why
Speaker 1: are you doing this to me? And it was like
Speaker 1: the marriage of the stories and songs and like the
Speaker 1: way you're like a mascot of inclusivity and like that's
Speaker 1: what that show is, like you just like champion guys. Well,
Speaker 1: I really needed this. Henry and Henry, Henry, Henry and I.
Speaker 1: Henry and I have have been talking lately, and Henry
Speaker 1: has really changed my way of thinking, just approaching a
Speaker 1: lot of things, just even even over just one interaction
Speaker 1: that we've had. It's it's changed everything. And in addition
Speaker 1: to the show and everything that you do in your work.
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying, this is the effect Henry has
Speaker 1: and this is my first time meeting him. Man, can
Speaker 1: we talk, Larry? Can we talk about something this nightmare?
Speaker 1: I know we clipped how many times I clipped during
Speaker 1: the song zero technique. I didn't mean to cut you off. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no, I'm saying, Larry, I want to talk about this,
Speaker 1: this speaking of mythos and lore and and instead of
Speaker 1: you introducing this Oprah song, you're are you? Are you
Speaker 1: convinced that you are not going that you love? That
Speaker 1: you you will not find love? Because I have for
Speaker 1: a very long time projected that story, that narrative onto
Speaker 1: myself and I'm very slowly trying to unlearn that. And
Speaker 1: can I read a tweet that you tweeted at me
Speaker 1: this weekend because I relate to it? No, no, no,
Speaker 1: I don't have to read it. I don't know what
Speaker 1: I said. I can't remember this was, this is? This was? Okay,
Speaker 1: let's just me retweeting and tweet that Patty tweet. Patty
Speaker 1: Harrison teeted. The good thing about using dating apps in
Speaker 1: New York and l A is matching with CIS men
Speaker 1: who say things like, hey, not actually attracted to trans
Speaker 1: but would love to grab coffee and pick your brain
Speaker 1: about getting into comedy sometime. Because I have a disease.
Speaker 1: We're reading that is actually how I nut. So that's
Speaker 1: it's a disease. It's a really specific but actually fatal disease.
Speaker 1: You know, it's a disease. It's a come based disease.
Speaker 1: So she being insane, and then our friend Millie Tameras replied,
Speaker 1: do you know how many dates I have been on that?
Speaker 1: We're just informational interviews Larry Larry says, it's it's an epidemic.
Speaker 1: And then you say this, this is Larry Owens My
Speaker 1: version of this. I play culture and Nanny to a
Speaker 1: gay person as they laugh, slash keys, slash lap up
Speaker 1: my intellectual property for hours at an event, and then
Speaker 1: I romanticized myself and then they turned into an iPhone
Speaker 1: that someone just dropped into water. Oh my god. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: there is a spontaneous combustion of like when I'm like,
Speaker 1: so there's like, so you're taught like how to flirt,
Speaker 1: you watch it in film and you and you're taught
Speaker 1: like how to like communicate. You know, I'm a very
Speaker 1: great communicator, Like if I will not accept any complement,
Speaker 1: but I will say that I fucking went to step
Speaker 1: in Wolf and studied from actual geniuses who, like, you know,
Speaker 1: so I'm like, I know what human behavior is, so
Speaker 1: like I'm giving off of flurty vibe. And then I
Speaker 1: have I always, I will never, I would never. I've
Speaker 1: never been pursued romantically or like proposition romantically. So I
Speaker 1: have to then put myself in the seat of the
Speaker 1: what what do we call it, um dominant. I don't
Speaker 1: like aggress or honey, because I'm black dominant dominant. Then
Speaker 1: I have to become dominant situation and be like hey
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah, and then all of that
Speaker 1: like warmth and reciprocity from when it was no you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, like all pockets like we like
Speaker 1: we go from like humor to self help to pop
Speaker 1: culture to family life. I read the eyes off of
Speaker 1: you and I invite you in, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: and then it's immediately like oh googogle like literally just
Speaker 1: like the eyes like jolt, and then the body shuts
Speaker 1: down and then we just have to keep the moving. Larry,
Speaker 1: this is what you have to remember that that is
Speaker 1: that has everything to do with them and not with you, right,
Speaker 1: I mean like O, yeah, but what bo and what
Speaker 1: do I do? I like my horoscope said that this
Speaker 1: is actually my lot, which actually gave me a lot
Speaker 1: of freedom. I was like, okay, so that it's it's true,
Speaker 1: Like it's some people Oprah included, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: like myself. I'm I'm gonna I can let myself in
Speaker 1: with with your with your cohort. Yeah, I'm gonna sing
Speaker 1: about it later. I'm just saying all about this. Wow.
Speaker 1: Well anyway, I didn't mean to bring the converse. Now
Speaker 1: it's easier for me to sing about it like it's
Speaker 1: like no, it's it depletes me, Like I'm I'm at
Speaker 1: my wits end, like I don't know what else to do,
Speaker 1: Like I've literally I gave you f all people. I
Speaker 1: threw my phone number on the back wall and was
Speaker 1: like like it was like you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like that's like a funny way. And then there's sincere ways,
Speaker 1: and then they're direct ways. They're indirect ways of like
Speaker 1: pursuing your goals in life, Like I met them all
Speaker 1: except for one, just like wow, wow, I it's completely
Speaker 1: different with me obviously, like, like, no, no set of
Speaker 1: circumstances the same for any two people. But yeah, like
Speaker 1: relate to that so hard. Gay people are trashy, and
Speaker 1: I want to call out into your subconscious and so
Speaker 1: that if you're listening and you're a gay person, all
Speaker 1: of your romantic desires came from a fat ass, white,
Speaker 1: fucking skid Mark underwear executive person who decided that the
Speaker 1: two people who fell in love in that movie, we're
Speaker 1: going to sell the most by looking the most like
Speaker 1: people on ads. And all of that is based in
Speaker 1: white supremacy. And so the fact that you can't see
Speaker 1: me as a non thin, non white, non rich person
Speaker 1: as sexual means that you're absolute fucking trash. And the
Speaker 1: moment that you open up your eyes to seeing the
Speaker 1: true sensual beauty of me, I'll allow. Wow, All allow,
Speaker 1: all allow. Maybe that's title of app. Okay, take my
Speaker 1: power back? Oh my god, can you say something? I
Speaker 1: think everyone in the show needs to delete the fucking apps. Okay,
Speaker 1: delete the apps. Henry is nodding. I deleted mine about
Speaker 1: a year ago. And my life, I mean, I've done
Speaker 1: a lot of that work. I'm changing my life, but
Speaker 1: that has been a huge part of it. I don't
Speaker 1: think this is the solving factor. No, but it is
Speaker 1: poison that you would remove from your world. It is
Speaker 1: true poison. Yeah, but for me as the chronic single person,
Speaker 1: Like if I like sympathetically try to talk to someone
Speaker 1: and I'm like I'm in this, They're like, are you
Speaker 1: on do you put yourself out there? Are the apps? Yeah?
Speaker 1: But I think that that do you put yourself out there?
Speaker 1: Is whatever? That's a question. But then to follow that
Speaker 1: up with are you on the apps? Is this weird?
Speaker 1: Than like A to B, which is like why do
Speaker 1: we have that? Be? The apps are trashed. They're disgusting.
Speaker 1: They are designed so that people can engage with you,
Speaker 1: and if they don't get exactly what they want, if
Speaker 1: you can't project exactly what they want, then they are out.
Speaker 1: And guess what, some people are fucking like you said,
Speaker 1: so I'm dying because actually I was doing some talent
Speaker 1: work for an app and then got rejected by I
Speaker 1: know what you're talking about, Gay App Corporation. It was honestly,
Speaker 1: it was not even a I know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: It would not have felt the irony, but like I
Speaker 1: was like, okay, I don't think they're healthy. I just
Speaker 1: deleted the mall. I don't think they're healthy. I think
Speaker 1: that they are a place where people go to be
Speaker 1: the worst base versions of themselves. And I ain't good
Speaker 1: and I'm not I don't. I don't shame anyone that's
Speaker 1: like found enough on them, but like you know, it
Speaker 1: doesn't it's not like that for everyone, especially I don't know.
Speaker 1: Grinder is just like about your experience, ye know, like
Speaker 1: do you find like how is finding love for you? Um?
Speaker 1: You know what? Not finding love? Like Henry and I
Speaker 1: met when flirting organically the show, and that was over
Speaker 1: to your relationship and you know, not that I was
Speaker 1: proud that we met, um not on the apps, but
Speaker 1: I felt good about the fact that and I felt
Speaker 1: like I proved to myself you can meet someone out there.
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna be honest with you, all the frustrations
Speaker 1: I have about the dating apps, they can't possibly compare
Speaker 1: it to what you guys go through, because it was
Speaker 1: not saying that I genuinely want to know, like, because
Speaker 1: I would also be projecting an thing onto you, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, like, which I don't know just
Speaker 1: what I'm realizing I'm doing a lot of the time
Speaker 1: so to to to white people. You know, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know exactly. I've had to um like give non
Speaker 1: judgment of acceptance to my people as a way of
Speaker 1: healing myself. I've I've spent a lot of time just
Speaker 1: not giving them the benefit of the down and saying, well,
Speaker 1: you have it so much easier, and like they do,
Speaker 1: yes theoretically, but also whatever problems that I have no idea,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like it's like I'm not even gonna
Speaker 1: like go go that far and like go to go
Speaker 1: to that mental place anymore, because it's like I don't
Speaker 1: know what they're freaking dealing. It just it just takes
Speaker 1: up our time. It takes up our POC. We have
Speaker 1: all of this POC stress, and we have like a
Speaker 1: helmet on us that is all of the stuff that
Speaker 1: we wear that was given to us that a white
Speaker 1: person never has to deal with. And so what we
Speaker 1: have to do we have to crack that thing open,
Speaker 1: every helmet and take the pieces off. It's happen one
Speaker 1: by one. It won't be a whole removal, because that
Speaker 1: is hundreds of years of systemic oppression or I don't
Speaker 1: even know what your diaspora is specifically. Sure, you know
Speaker 1: you have to take it off piece by cracked the
Speaker 1: helmet and take off piece by peace. Honey, babe, I
Speaker 1: love this cracked helmet and I keep going honestly, and
Speaker 1: I want a lifestyle brand l O l Lario's lifestyle ry.
Speaker 1: Come on, I think everyone will want that. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: have towels. That was beautiful. I want I need towels.
Speaker 1: So La you were you were even more elevated than
Speaker 1: like a performer, like you're an orange or I believe
Speaker 1: hear you should already talk about anything. Yeah, I'm so
Speaker 1: excited to do the college circuit next year, just like
Speaker 1: every like Brown graduation and oh wait you do that
Speaker 1: like a joke. But I'm like no, I think no.
Speaker 1: I mean now being single again, like it's you know,
Speaker 1: it's still frustrating, but it's frustrating for different reasons, like
Speaker 1: like when when you go on Grinder and like you
Speaker 1: see everyone's body is like, how can everyone's body look
Speaker 1: like that? You're telling me that every person's body looks
Speaker 1: like this? There's some liars, there's some trickery, and talk
Speaker 1: about your desires. What kind of men do you like? Um?
Speaker 1: I I've I still believe that I don't have a type,
Speaker 1: but like I right, but it's what's like, what I
Speaker 1: identify with you is this idea that like rarely am
Speaker 1: I am I pursuit but also like I have created
Speaker 1: a lot of untruths around my struggles too, like I've yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know, okay, okay, So you're open, but true
Speaker 1: or false? Do you feel that society has almost, like
Speaker 1: not successfully but like almost made you feel like this
Speaker 1: is the attractive thing and it is white, thin, muscular
Speaker 1: oftentimes like like either tall, dark and handsome or like
Speaker 1: blonde beach boys like these are one of the two
Speaker 1: things that even if you're white and like you have
Speaker 1: red hair, you're like, funk that bitch so specific, and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden you go on these apps
Speaker 1: and that's what everyone appears to look like, and it's
Speaker 1: it's very intimidating and crazy, but true or false like
Speaker 1: that does seek in? Yes? And one time Jewel friend
Speaker 1: of the pod Joel Kim Booster texted me, um, he
Speaker 1: had just in this panel in San Francisco with like
Speaker 1: Asian performers or something, and he texted me out of nowhere.
Speaker 1: He was like Wow, this guy in the panel, like
Speaker 1: this skate dude on the SCA Asian dude on the
Speaker 1: panel who grew up in Chinatown in San Francisco, talked
Speaker 1: about how he had never internalized any idea of like
Speaker 1: attractiveness that was like outside of his own body, Like
Speaker 1: it was just it's like, oh no, like you're attractive. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he felt of worth his entire life, and there was
Speaker 1: like a unique like shocking experience for an Asian person. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's insane and horrid and I hate life so
Speaker 1: much then. Of that that there was like someone who
Speaker 1: was like, I'm fine. I did. Like, so I was
Speaker 1: watching porn early, like we all were with the computers,
Speaker 1: and so like I kind of sensed that they wanted
Speaker 1: me to want one thing, and so I with my
Speaker 1: like you know a little like precocious pornographic sense. I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm gonna decolonize my sexual desire. So like
Speaker 1: I made sure just to really spread it. And I
Speaker 1: think it's like I was doing the work back then. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's just funny when you go to like the porn
Speaker 1: sites and the categories are like otter, twink, redhead, black,
Speaker 1: It's just like salt and peppery scrub. It's just like scrub.
Speaker 1: Dumped up is not a real category, but on some site. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I do think that if I fell more neatly into
Speaker 1: a gay upset, I would not have as many problems.
Speaker 1: I'm like, like, you know, I colde switched too much
Speaker 1: to be a black person. I'm like, no, like a bear,
Speaker 1: twins are a different type of you, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? And this is why I think we need
Speaker 1: a dis because from from all that ship, because literally
Speaker 1: grinder makes you identify with the tribe and it's like,
Speaker 1: why the fund is that a thing? That's what they do.
Speaker 1: I've come to find it there there is a certain
Speaker 1: type of sabio sexual out there, someone who is purely
Speaker 1: attracted with now. But I feel it. I feel that
Speaker 1: they're out there and that they're gonna they're gonna come,
Speaker 1: They're gonna come to you bated breath, Larry Hey, who
Speaker 1: I find hope through song? Yeah, that's beautiful. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: this bitch wants to sing a song. Yeah, because everything
Speaker 1: we just talked about about, I brought it up. I'm sorry, No,
Speaker 1: I'm fine going to the places. I'm an actor. First,
Speaker 1: we're going to go to the place Henry is gearing up. Okay,
Speaker 1: so is this another original? No, we're going to navigate
Speaker 1: through my two favorite musical theater composers. One owns my heart,
Speaker 1: the other owns my mind. The first is William Finn
Speaker 1: and the second is Stephen Sondheim. Sure, so we're gonna
Speaker 1: start with, Oh, this is a it's a it's a
Speaker 1: composite bit. It's an arrangement by Henry Koperski. Thank you
Speaker 1: very much. This is a Henrykerski original arrangement. Wow, we're lucky.
Speaker 1: M hm. Oh, I'm madam man in the can. Wouldn't
Speaker 1: you know? He was going my way? We talked till
Speaker 1: far he talked more. I was afraid I turn and say,
Speaker 1: love me for what I am, not what I try
Speaker 1: to be, Love me for what I am, not what
Speaker 1: I try to be, loved me for what I now,
Speaker 1: what I try to be, loved me from what I
Speaker 1: am now. When I try to be a person who
Speaker 1: likes you, did out too much. I try too much
Speaker 1: to impress other people, often my inferiors. Oh, becauld you
Speaker 1: like a girl like that? Could you like a girl
Speaker 1: like that? Could you hold her in her arms? Could
Speaker 1: you like a girl like that? Could you like a
Speaker 1: girl like that? Could you like a girl like we land?
Speaker 1: He plays that, I play again with sound delight, Hello,
Speaker 1: oh and love to weeks. Guess who speaks? Darling says,
Speaker 1: might survive the night. Love me for what I am
Speaker 1: when I try to be, Love me for what I'm
Speaker 1: to try to be. Somebody hold me too close. Somebody
Speaker 1: hurt me too deep. Somebody sit in my chair and
Speaker 1: ruin my sleep and make me aware. I'll be good,
Speaker 1: lie be Somebody need me to. Somebody know me too.
Speaker 1: Somebody pull me off short and put me through hell
Speaker 1: and give me support for be good life, make me alve,
Speaker 1: make confused, mock me with pray, let me let me
Speaker 1: be used, very mindy. But along is along not love
Speaker 1: get Somebody crowded me with love. Somebody course me the kids.
Speaker 1: Somebody helped me come through. I'll always be there. That's
Speaker 1: frightened as you help us SERVI be Wow, Wow, thank
Speaker 1: you so much for that. That was incredible, Henry, that
Speaker 1: was amazing that. I mean, Larry just we never like
Speaker 1: really discussed the arrangement. I just always like Larry's energy
Speaker 1: just truly just like move my fingers, I swear I
Speaker 1: don't even know what's happening with it as a listener
Speaker 1: to Really, you are such an amazing storyteller and such
Speaker 1: an amazing a motive, incredible special performer. We're so lucky
Speaker 1: to have fucking cool friends, Like you're the best, You're
Speaker 1: the best, Like that's like something that like those two songs,
Speaker 1: I you don't know my entire life and I have
Speaker 1: someone to arrange it for me and people asking me
Speaker 1: to sing it beautiful. You're the ranger though, like I
Speaker 1: played it. I swear, I'm not even like thinking it's
Speaker 1: you're like telling me what to do with your voice,
Speaker 1: and like there's like little cells in my brain that
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like it's you we got that's not common, Henry, Right,
Speaker 1: that's like that's rare. Yeah, no, it's it's X factor.
Speaker 1: Doesn't happen when um Bowen sings Bang Bang, it thrills
Speaker 1: me like that. I think at this point, I'm like, God, Henry,
Speaker 1: it must be so fucking sick everyone. I would play
Speaker 1: every every day now right now for the people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it doesn't have to me now, but you must treat
Speaker 1: the listeners. I need Wait, do we want a diva tag? Okay?
Speaker 1: What is diva textva tag is a queer sport. It's
Speaker 1: where you have a song and we all just tag
Speaker 1: off on the verses. Who can sing? And I'm telling
Speaker 1: you alful way through no one? So you diva tagay?
Speaker 1: But no, no, not not that song that I'm saying,
Speaker 1: like I feel like I'm a little out of my depth.
Speaker 1: But what if it was like a nice low song
Speaker 1: written for a Dina Manzel. I'm saying I'm not that girl. Lyrically,
Speaker 1: you know I'm not that girl. Oh I know I'm
Speaker 1: not that girl. Make it up, you guys both saying
Speaker 1: I'm not that girl playing Miranda Priestley's daughters and in
Speaker 1: my production of Devil, I'm not that girl. Oh my god, girl,
Speaker 1: did we played Miranda's daughters? I thought we Miranda's daughters
Speaker 1: and you also played her? Like assistance had multiple role
Speaker 1: Who played who played Mirando? John Hay who played in Hathaway?
Speaker 1: Oh my god? Yes, everybody? She said no good Deed?
Speaker 1: Lisa Trager was Adrian Grenier. Wait, maybe we should do
Speaker 1: no good deed. I don't know no good deed. You
Speaker 1: don't know no good I don't know what that well,
Speaker 1: it's it's whatever. Okay, last six game defined gravity. We
Speaker 1: all know it from the lead up in a nice
Speaker 1: key for us. We can't we could do a step
Speaker 1: over there to find it's okay, wait wait wait ta
Speaker 1: me wait, hold on, hold on, how does this is
Speaker 1: the first time you've played this? I'm flying, so I
Speaker 1: gotta say, I gotta say the name. Maybe you put
Speaker 1: me over here in the Howard Stern booth so I
Speaker 1: can't tap you, but that's fine to gesticulate. I can
Speaker 1: go boomp and boomp? Is that clean? Gesticulate? Would it be? Lower?
Speaker 1: Keyboard has six keys on it, that's true. This is
Speaker 1: a like a tri tone below the original. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I mean that's truly. So if you can't find me,
Speaker 1: look to the western sky Larry has someone told me
Speaker 1: lately everyone has a chance to Matt, so stop flying
Speaker 1: for it. Also around take a message back from me.
Speaker 1: This is not Ryan poem. I know it's a bust.
Speaker 1: It's okay one of those people that I thought knew
Speaker 1: the lyrics to every song I do. But now now
Speaker 1: the thing is, you know what happens is when a
Speaker 1: key changes, I get very nervous and freaked down. Even
Speaker 1: I get it. I get the musicality. Yes, but I'm
Speaker 1: very happy that we're being this vulnerable with the listeners.
Speaker 1: I think that was fun. My friend okay hearing me go? No, babe,
Speaker 1: I saw it. I saw your neck. I was concerned. Guys.
Speaker 1: I promise you I can sing. I have done shows
Speaker 1: where I'm sang and been the featured singer. You have
Speaker 1: an amazing Christmas show. Can I please be in it?
Speaker 1: This is heard of Christmas? Have you heard of Christmas?
Speaker 1: I want to. I want to potentially do it at
Speaker 1: a new venue, but I want to start thinking about
Speaker 1: it soon. You can absolutely be and that we should
Speaker 1: do a duet, all write original song. Yes, that'd be
Speaker 1: fun and really get blown away Christmas. Christmas culture was
Speaker 1: big for me growing up too, so I love it.
Speaker 1: I love the idea of taking Christmas so seriously they
Speaker 1: make an album for money, No, bab, Christmas is every
Speaker 1: si I can Christmas. Christmas is like the one time
Speaker 1: of year that I got to not feel black, because
Speaker 1: like you had stuff. Everyone acted nice and well adjusted,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my god, yeah, actually you
Speaker 1: get the things you need and everyone smile. Get the
Speaker 1: things you need? Feel that hard? All right? So we
Speaker 1: have to move on to. I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: we have Wait, we're not going to do a full
Speaker 1: dev attack. I think we would. What do we have? Okay,
Speaker 1: so it has to be a male song because okay, no,
Speaker 1: they don't start until I told Marcia, okay, can we
Speaker 1: do um? Can we do let me be your star
Speaker 1: at least? Okay? Okay, yes, yes, okay, fine, we can
Speaker 1: do it and every and then and then but then,
Speaker 1: but then it's the duet part in the end. Where
Speaker 1: is how is that going to work? We'll all kind
Speaker 1: of just take it, take it? Okay, great, great, Well,
Speaker 1: I can't believe we're gonna do this. Here we go.
Speaker 1: Is it starting with me because I'm Katherine, Oh bitch,
Speaker 1: I'll take it at the top In Fading Girl with
Speaker 1: the song No I don't learnka for fame in a
Speaker 1: face and a name to remember the past fads away
Speaker 1: because as of this day, Norma Jean's gone. She's moving on.
Speaker 1: Her smile and her fan sees playing you're doing not
Speaker 1: you loving at where you music starts playing, It's all
Speaker 1: here in my heart saying let me be your start
Speaker 1: on that note, slash back, you are gravy with a
Speaker 1: song in her is healthy and she's waiting to start
Speaker 1: the advent. That's drum dr rune that may dreams come
Speaker 1: on live. They feel her soul, jeessy control laughter, my
Speaker 1: favorite lyric, the tears just like pearls. Yes, they're all
Speaker 1: in this girl's revelution. It's all Oh, the taking back,
Speaker 1: it's all here and my heart's quaking. Mab your time.
Speaker 1: I just have to forget hurt that came before. I
Speaker 1: forget what you soon be. The past is on the
Speaker 1: cutting room for my future is him with me chess
Speaker 1: on the side, with it all in her size, all
Speaker 1: the low and the light hats around her. Someday she'll
Speaker 1: think watch Lisa everyone on the twos and the price.
Speaker 1: She'll have to passion today today, boy to day, shoot
Speaker 1: do she can? For the love of what that and
Speaker 1: form Melli playing Roma fry so here on. My heart's
Speaker 1: bleeding to let me be your sy Okay even do
Speaker 1: I don't think so. As you hit the last note,
Speaker 1: the street light outside came out. But timing is not
Speaker 1: our time. The fans gonna be mad? Are they gonna loved? Wait?
Speaker 1: We have a quick, quick I don't need the honey
Speaker 1: to get OK, yes, we're gonna do it. I have
Speaker 1: I have a good one. This is Matt Rodgers is
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. His time starts now. I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. Everyone being like, oh, ABC, amazing
Speaker 1: job for canceling Rosehane, Bitch, that's like leaving your house
Speaker 1: with every lit candle burning, coming back and then calling
Speaker 1: the fire department when the house is on fire. Bitch,
Speaker 1: you knew what you were doing by putting her on television.
Speaker 1: What the fund did you expect was going to happen?
Speaker 1: She was posing a Nazi garb doing bullshit. And also,
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. If you say, well, when
Speaker 1: about Kenthy Griffin and the Donald Trump head, because one
Speaker 1: is punching up and one is punching down. Roseanne constantly
Speaker 1: punches down. She's always punching down through humor. And also
Speaker 1: she tweeted a while back about the Michelle Wolf thing. Uh,
Speaker 1: this is why you never go for someone who's more
Speaker 1: famous than you in the crowd. You lose the crowd
Speaker 1: every time. Yeah, bitch, because you punched down. If you
Speaker 1: think that for one second, she knows what it's like
Speaker 1: to be Roseanne Connor, you she doesn't. She hasn't been
Speaker 1: Rose Unconnor for over thirty years, so she had that show.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, ABC being pat on the
Speaker 1: back for doing the exact rock fucking right thing and
Speaker 1: also not for nothing but wand dislikes left before the
Speaker 1: cancelation was announced, and the granddaughter was gonna leave before
Speaker 1: the cancelation was announced. They weren't doing the right thing.
Speaker 1: They were canceling something that was already imploding. So and
Speaker 1: eight seconds, I just feel like it's like, wow, ABC,
Speaker 1: amazing swift job. It's like, no, when someone acts out,
Speaker 1: they get fired. It's not not pat on the back
Speaker 1: to the corporation. It's like hello, they put her on
Speaker 1: there anyway. Yes, yes, it shouldn't have been on the air.
Speaker 1: Um am, I now you're check out. We love like
Speaker 1: I have nothing to add. That was very replete, like
Speaker 1: now we've all been in this. Okay, all right, so
Speaker 1: this is and as time starts now, I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: San Francisco Hotels, bitch, you are too expensive. Honey. I'm
Speaker 1: the only thing that was in my price range and
Speaker 1: wasn't a fucking den of sin, was uh this hotel
Speaker 1: that seems fine, but it's like very much like a
Speaker 1: low frill, like no frills hostile situation. Like I'm fine,
Speaker 1: I won't even be spending that much time in my
Speaker 1: lodgings when I'm there over the weekend. But bitch, it's
Speaker 1: too expensive and for San Francisco rents to be even
Speaker 1: higher than rents in New York City. Who do you
Speaker 1: think you are there? We're not a cultural nexus of
Speaker 1: You're not the cultural nexus of this country, San Francisco. No,
Speaker 1: you have a bunch of fucking nerds, you know, walking around,
Speaker 1: and and some lovely people in Oakland and Berkeley, of course,
Speaker 1: but I don't like the culture in San Francisco and
Speaker 1: how it's complete lately destroyed, the the the it's it's, it's,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's a completely cost prohibitive city. It's the
Speaker 1: most cost prohibitive city in this country in the Western hemisphere,
Speaker 1: Shall I even say so? I don't think so many
Speaker 1: San Francis hotels. I'm staying in at the Bartlett Hotel,
Speaker 1: which you know could be better, honestly. And that's one
Speaker 1: minute and seven seconds. It's beautiful. You know. We're all
Speaker 1: playing with the form here today before we go to Larry,
Speaker 1: who will kick who finish it off? I want to
Speaker 1: give you the option of doing them. Would you like
Speaker 1: to do it? And think? So honey, Henry, You've done
Speaker 1: it every time? Sure, okay, he wants to do what
Speaker 1: I want to do. Do you want you want us
Speaker 1: to wait? Hold off, stall a little bit, I'll do one.
Speaker 1: It's you have it? You have it? Yeah, okay, this
Speaker 1: is Henry Koperski is I don't think so, honey. As
Speaker 1: time starts now, I don't think so honey. People that
Speaker 1: get upset at the new Star Wars movies like what
Speaker 1: do you expect? They are for children? If you made
Speaker 1: them for you, like, they would suck. They would be
Speaker 1: so boring. And the old movies, the original trilogy is bad,
Speaker 1: like it's it's my favorite thing in the world, but
Speaker 1: it's not like amazing, and you're acting like their treasure.
Speaker 1: You're acting like it's the Bible, which is also not
Speaker 1: really great and we should just enjoy. I saw Solo
Speaker 1: last night and it was ridiculous. It was stupid, but
Speaker 1: I had fun because that's what I wanted out of it.
Speaker 1: And everyone was bad in it. Everyone, but I wouldn't
Speaker 1: recast a single person like it was fun, you know, um,
Speaker 1: and I think you should just don't see movies if
Speaker 1: you need them to, like, just watch the movie that
Speaker 1: you wanted in your head. I guess the movie you
Speaker 1: want to write. And that's good. That's fifty three seconds,
Speaker 1: which obviously offsets are That's very beautiful and very true
Speaker 1: to who Henry is. He's pure of heart and he
Speaker 1: wants everyone to just have fun and enjoy it and
Speaker 1: doesn't understand why it lots to be such a big problem.
Speaker 1: Just an unimpeachable human being. Star Wars. Star Wars is
Speaker 1: fun for kids, for kids. It's for kids, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: And it's time I've never seen one. Is there a
Speaker 1: trouble here? I mean it's either trouble or I could
Speaker 1: like be messy? Can I? I kind of want you
Speaker 1: to be messy. Put him in on the clock. Okay,
Speaker 1: this is Larry and I don't think so, Honey's time
Speaker 1: starts now. I don't think so, honey, Bowen Yang talking
Speaker 1: about what I'm interested in? After that, faithful at the Duplex,
Speaker 1: I slid into your d MS the first mine I'd
Speaker 1: ever message a nous on the day. But I said
Speaker 1: that on a day with you and you said that
Speaker 1: you were liminally not into place. I had to look up. Liminally,
Speaker 1: dare you say you're sabio sexual? I know that your
Speaker 1: desires are as colonized as anyone else's talking to Big
Speaker 1: top bitch, what about that walk? You know that I'm
Speaker 1: not to talk to that mind, but that body, that spirit,
Speaker 1: that essence, all of it? Do Katherine Code, I have
Speaker 1: a pilot and a character named Owen. Yes, we do.
Speaker 1: Is it above board? No? Is it happening? Yes? Oh
Speaker 1: my god? What second? Honey, I'm gonna get some more time.
Speaker 1: Seven seconds? You got seven some more seconds about San
Speaker 1: Frand hotels, So maybe I actually wouldn't work out. That
Speaker 1: was really agh that way, Troble. You just trolled the
Speaker 1: whole bowl, honey, messy wow, bitch. This episode was wild, crazy,
Speaker 1: full of thoughtfulness and abandon intellectual but yet physical verbally physical.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I don't know on the spot made
Speaker 1: it wrong. I'm I'm so glad you did that. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm glad, Okay, we'll talk. Oh my god, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: oh my god. What an incredible episode. This is an
Speaker 1: incredible episode, and now the world will go to Larry's
Speaker 1: shows in July what's Larry's musical breakdown with Henry and
Speaker 1: we gotta check the checks? We gotta does Henry is
Speaker 1: a new tadline is does the check clear exactly to
Speaker 1: be compensated? Like literally, I would rather like pick someone
Speaker 1: that I would not pay than to pay Henry not
Speaker 1: his worth like that is like a respecting the time
Speaker 1: making money. Yes, and must and must and obviously second
Speaker 1: putting all together, it is the music of Stephens and
Speaker 1: I'm the only time you'll ever see it classically through
Speaker 1: the black lens, the black queer lens. We do the
Speaker 1: songs in the original form. We don't change the range,
Speaker 1: we don't change words, but all of it speaks with
Speaker 1: a new vitality that I think will be really really
Speaker 1: lovely to hear in amazing. Watch paid Off on True TV.
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Speaker 1: you are not sad of with It's you all. I
Speaker 1: don't have a b f A. I have a certificate,
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Speaker 1: a college show, honey. So watch Paid Off on True TV.
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Speaker 1: fucking rock. We'd love you. Thank you, Thank you for coming.
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