WEBVTT - We're Here, Lets Talk (S4 E16 "The Reigning Lorelai”) 0:00:00.760 --> 0:00:18.000 I am all in that I am all in with 0:00:18.120 --> 0:00:22.320 Scott Patterson and I heart Radio podcast. Hey everybody, Scott Patterson, 0:00:22.440 --> 0:00:27.320 I am all in. Podcast recap, Season four, episode sixteen, 0:00:27.400 --> 0:00:32.840 The Reigning Laurel I and uh It originally aired March two. 0:00:34.280 --> 0:00:36.560 I am a little under the weather. I apologize, but 0:00:36.680 --> 0:00:39.720 I'm rallying and I have support from my awesome team 0:00:39.760 --> 0:00:42.600 Danielle Romo, Tara sued Ami'll join us in a minute. 0:00:42.600 --> 0:00:47.200 But um, hey, guys, how you doing. You're so dedicated 0:00:49.560 --> 0:00:52.040 you I know you're sick, and you're just like, you 0:00:52.080 --> 0:00:53.959 know what. I'm still gonna show up and I'm still 0:00:54.000 --> 0:00:56.800 gonna watch an episode and we're gonna do. We're gonna 0:00:56.840 --> 0:00:59.400 do the thing. I'll tell you, man, a little Nike. Well, 0:00:59.640 --> 0:01:02.720 nice night's sleep right after this. I don't want to 0:01:02.720 --> 0:01:05.160 do the day quill because it's like it's seven that 0:01:06.400 --> 0:01:08.600 in you and I just like give my liver a 0:01:08.640 --> 0:01:12.280 little bit of a rest. But I apologize for the 0:01:12.400 --> 0:01:16.040 creepy deep voice, and I'm not mad at it. I 0:01:16.520 --> 0:01:20.560 kind of like it. I can't really breathe right now, 0:01:20.640 --> 0:01:27.960 so your breath or your mouth mouth, so anyway, Danielle, 0:01:28.000 --> 0:01:31.640 take it away, synopsizing the way only you know how 0:01:31.680 --> 0:01:36.080 to alright? Season four, episode sixteen, The Reigning Lorelai air 0:01:36.200 --> 0:01:40.399 date March second, two thousand four. The unexpected death of 0:01:40.480 --> 0:01:46.040 Grandma Tricks devastates Richard, plus a secret letter is unveiled 0:01:46.080 --> 0:01:49.520 that sends Emily over the edge. Lorela is left to 0:01:49.560 --> 0:01:53.120 finish planning the funeral while Rory writes the obituary for 0:01:53.160 --> 0:01:59.760 her great grandmother. Man, what do you think of this episode? Oh? 0:02:00.440 --> 0:02:06.720 I mean, we just see Emily and Richard just go downhill, 0:02:07.000 --> 0:02:09.600 but at the end that there's hope. There is hope. 0:02:09.760 --> 0:02:12.200 So I did love that. But I kind of liked 0:02:12.200 --> 0:02:15.919 seeing their demise for an episode. Yeah, like they were 0:02:15.960 --> 0:02:19.560 they were not Emily and Richard. Yeah, not at all, 0:02:20.400 --> 0:02:24.799 like we've never seen them before. Um, did you remember 0:02:24.880 --> 0:02:28.639 this episode, Scott? Did you remember this? No? Not at all, No, 0:02:29.040 --> 0:02:32.440 not even a little bit. It was look who decided 0:02:32.480 --> 0:02:35.160 to join us. I don't even want to talk about it. 0:02:35.720 --> 0:02:39.640 Technology is so challenging. Did you have to move to 0:02:39.800 --> 0:02:45.200 twenty different spots in your house too? Well? Yeah, I'm 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:48.360 not my mom's and I'm on the floor and then 0:02:48.400 --> 0:02:52.640 the computer just crashes. But whatever, And I don't want 0:02:52.639 --> 0:02:54.160 to be a buzz scale. But I did not love 0:02:54.200 --> 0:02:59.440 this episode, did you, guys? I mean, it's not my 0:02:59.560 --> 0:03:02.080 top but it it wasn't the worst. It was definitely 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:05.079 entertaining for me and not my top two. But I 0:03:05.120 --> 0:03:09.360 did I did enjoy it. I enjoyed it too well. Yeah, 0:03:09.400 --> 0:03:12.960 I mean it proves so it kind of it kind 0:03:12.960 --> 0:03:15.840 of goes against my theory that, you know, just the 0:03:15.880 --> 0:03:18.799 Gilmore stuff at the Gilmore House can can work as 0:03:18.800 --> 0:03:24.639 a standalone series. No, I'm saying no. But if if 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:30.720 audiences had never experienced Stars Hollow before and this show 0:03:30.840 --> 0:03:32.600 just came out, it was just like the four of 0:03:32.680 --> 0:03:36.600 them and then Maids and Friends and things like that, um, 0:03:36.640 --> 0:03:39.000 it probably could have stood alone, you know what I mean? 0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:43.400 Those those four are dynamic and interesting enough. Um, and 0:03:43.480 --> 0:03:46.320 obviously the writing team, you know, we didn't spend very 0:03:46.360 --> 0:03:48.480 much time in Stars Hollow. I didn't spend very much 0:03:48.480 --> 0:03:50.440 time at all with anybody else. It was. It was 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:55.000 a heavy, heavy, heavy Richard Emily episode, which is you know, 0:03:55.160 --> 0:03:57.320 kind of great all on its own because it wasn't 0:03:57.760 --> 0:04:00.520 look it was an easy episode. Not easy, but an 0:04:00.520 --> 0:04:05.920 easier episode for Lauren and alexis because a lot of 0:04:05.920 --> 0:04:09.440 the heavy lifting was being done by their parents, and 0:04:09.680 --> 0:04:13.200 so the onus is on them, and and it's nice 0:04:13.240 --> 0:04:17.440 to give Lauren and Alexis a little breather, you know 0:04:17.480 --> 0:04:20.200 what I'm saying, because and I'm not saying that they 0:04:20.200 --> 0:04:22.039 didn't have to be there all day every day, and 0:04:22.120 --> 0:04:27.240 of course they did, but um, you know, emotional emotionally speaking, 0:04:27.279 --> 0:04:28.960 it was on Richard and Emily and they hit it 0:04:29.000 --> 0:04:30.880 out of the park and it was and it was 0:04:31.320 --> 0:04:35.560 also for me. Yeah, well, I mean I think acting 0:04:35.600 --> 0:04:42.880 wise great, Maybe I'm just like grouchy Party of One 0:04:43.279 --> 0:04:47.479 like it was because it was sad. Maybe it was 0:04:47.520 --> 0:04:50.000 because it was too sad for me, Yeah, that could 0:04:50.000 --> 0:04:54.400 be it Like Richard's mother dying, It was sad for me. 0:04:54.920 --> 0:04:57.440 I was thinking that too. Like you know, this show 0:04:58.760 --> 0:05:02.160 does death really well. But do you really want to 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:04.839 do death on this show? You know what I'm saying, 0:05:04.960 --> 0:05:07.880 because usually when when somebody dies on this show, and 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:11.080 it's happened before, it's been somebody a little distant and 0:05:12.600 --> 0:05:15.120 for some they always glean the comedy out of it. 0:05:15.240 --> 0:05:18.839 Somehow you're kind of nailing it, you know, you know 0:05:18.839 --> 0:05:21.919 what I mean. And and you know, like Suki and 0:05:22.040 --> 0:05:24.680 Lauren show. I think you're nailing it because I think 0:05:25.080 --> 0:05:27.840 I think I don't want to have Danielle take her 0:05:27.839 --> 0:05:31.320 headphones off. But I think that's my problem with it 0:05:31.400 --> 0:05:34.520 is because it really brought it too close to home 0:05:34.680 --> 0:05:39.080 for me with what happens later in the movie, right, 0:05:39.080 --> 0:05:42.360 because this isn't this kind of show. Yeah, and that 0:05:42.520 --> 0:05:47.159 was so painful, and the other shows do death, Yeah, 0:05:47.200 --> 0:05:51.120 this doesn't. This show is not about it. It's not 0:05:51.160 --> 0:05:54.800 even close to being about it, right in a sense, 0:05:55.560 --> 0:05:57.760 but when they do it, it's it was. It was 0:05:57.800 --> 0:06:02.400 pretty good, actually, it is good. The way that Emily 0:06:03.080 --> 0:06:06.160 revealed the death was also such a Gilmore way to 0:06:06.200 --> 0:06:09.839 do it. Like I I even forgot, like I've seen 0:06:09.880 --> 0:06:12.120 this episode before, but I forgot. I was like, oh 0:06:12.160 --> 0:06:14.320 this is this episode, Like I even it was just 0:06:14.360 --> 0:06:17.039 so blunt, like, hey, have a second to talk on 0:06:17.080 --> 0:06:21.720 the phone, and your grandmother died. Yeah, it was like, okay, 0:06:21.960 --> 0:06:25.800 it kind of like three for a loop for a second. Yeah, 0:06:25.800 --> 0:06:27.920 because it was shocking too because we just bettle with 0:06:28.000 --> 0:06:30.880 her and she was fine. Yeah. Yeah, So it was 0:06:30.960 --> 0:06:35.600 like and we knew Marian Ross was fine obviously because 0:06:35.640 --> 0:06:41.880 she's alive now another character, right, So it's like, why 0:06:42.240 --> 0:06:47.400 did they do it? Although there's reasons, Well, I feel like, 0:06:47.560 --> 0:06:50.440 do you think, excuse me, do you think it's mainly 0:06:50.480 --> 0:06:53.599 because there's so much of the storyline with like Richard 0:06:53.600 --> 0:06:57.320 and Emily and Richard because you know then not to 0:06:57.360 --> 0:06:59.160 jump ahead, but the letter comes in place. So I 0:06:59.200 --> 0:07:01.559 feel like it was more of a storyline for Richard 0:07:01.560 --> 0:07:04.719 and Emily in their character developed more. They had to 0:07:04.720 --> 0:07:07.400 bring them back together, and they used her death to 0:07:07.480 --> 0:07:11.200 do it. Yeah, because because I don't think fans were digging, 0:07:12.160 --> 0:07:15.640 uh where Richard and Emily were going in the series, 0:07:15.680 --> 0:07:21.720 because their their beloved. You need that solid base. Yeah, 0:07:19.280 --> 0:07:26.320 you buckle up, everybody. Yeah, do we all have to 0:07:26.320 --> 0:07:34.080 take our headphones off? Now? It's not Tara but you two. Yeah. 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:39.559 I mean, I I don't know why I think look everybody. 0:07:39.760 --> 0:07:42.360 I mean, I don't know about you guys, but I've 0:07:42.440 --> 0:07:45.960 experienced this loss, this type of loss too many times 0:07:46.480 --> 0:07:50.800 in the last fifteen years. Um, and it's gut wrenching. 0:07:50.920 --> 0:07:54.520 It's really really tough to get through it. But um 0:07:54.560 --> 0:07:56.840 it forces you to grow as a person. It's it's 0:07:57.200 --> 0:07:59.320 but it's it's you know, when you lose your mom, 0:07:59.800 --> 0:08:04.600 there is nothing like that. Uh, it's it's horrible, and 0:08:05.520 --> 0:08:09.480 it's it's you know, how did it make I kept thinking, 0:08:09.520 --> 0:08:12.040 how is this making me feel? And how is it 0:08:12.080 --> 0:08:14.680 making everybody in the audience feel? Because you know everybody, 0:08:15.200 --> 0:08:17.640 it made me feel terrible. So that's why you kind 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:22.080 of don't do death in this show. And I kept thinking, 0:08:22.120 --> 0:08:24.480 is there another way something could have happened to Trixie 0:08:24.720 --> 0:08:28.200 or there could have been a different way to bring 0:08:28.240 --> 0:08:32.200 Emily and Richard together, right except for like losing like 0:08:32.320 --> 0:08:34.760 what became for me one of my favorite characters in 0:08:34.800 --> 0:08:38.040 the show. Uh, And it didn't start out that way, 0:08:38.080 --> 0:08:40.520 but that last episode she was in, just she it 0:08:40.559 --> 0:08:43.080 was just so brilliant and I wanted more of that, 0:08:43.400 --> 0:08:48.040 you know, and now we don't. Now we can't get it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:08:48.679 --> 0:08:53.679 that conflict between them, Yeah, I think a very useful 0:08:54.000 --> 0:08:58.760 uh nice tension added to the show. Um, you know, 0:08:58.960 --> 0:09:03.120 just my opinion. And the letter, I mean, I know, 0:09:03.320 --> 0:09:04.600 I don't know if you want to start going through 0:09:04.640 --> 0:09:08.680 the whole episode, but the letter was so horrible. And 0:09:08.679 --> 0:09:12.600 then I don't Emily is unhinged enough for me, so 0:09:12.800 --> 0:09:16.400 seeing her so unhinged, Although it was funny the smoking 0:09:16.440 --> 0:09:19.040 and the drinking. I was like, I don't, why do 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:23.600 I not love this? Right? Right? You're seeing a great 0:09:23.640 --> 0:09:27.520 actress um doing things we haven't seen her do before, 0:09:28.040 --> 0:09:31.200 and she's she's just so good, isn't she? And she's 0:09:31.240 --> 0:09:35.480 so funny and she's so I mean, I think of 0:09:35.600 --> 0:09:39.480 all of the talent in that cast, um, you gotta 0:09:39.559 --> 0:09:42.080 hand it to Kelly Bishop. Yeah, I mean you just 0:09:42.120 --> 0:09:45.120 have to give it to her. I mean, she's what 0:09:45.240 --> 0:09:50.720 a fierce, fierce talent um and that was on full 0:09:50.760 --> 0:09:53.040 display in this episode. And and I see a little 0:09:53.080 --> 0:09:57.880 note here by our team that that that Kelly Bishop 0:09:58.000 --> 0:10:00.240 said to People Magazine, this is her face of an 0:10:00.320 --> 0:10:03.880 episode of the series. You can see why. Well, yes, 0:10:04.080 --> 0:10:07.560 okayause she got to come out of that that, you know, 0:10:07.640 --> 0:10:10.200 the tautness and the tightness of that role she was 0:10:10.240 --> 0:10:13.480 playing and just let it go get drunk and like, 0:10:13.559 --> 0:10:18.400 who cared? That's what's making me think is because she 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:21.800 was so good in the episode is maybe why I 0:10:21.840 --> 0:10:24.960 also didn't love the episode, because it was all just 0:10:25.160 --> 0:10:28.679 way too believable to me. And I don't like Richard 0:10:29.000 --> 0:10:34.280 being like that. Richard is a force. Richard is the steady, 0:10:34.320 --> 0:10:39.960 strong father figure. So maybe it was just not that 0:10:40.040 --> 0:10:44.320 it was not a great episode, it was just setting episode. 0:10:45.320 --> 0:10:49.599 It was it was definitely different. Um. I was engaged. 0:10:49.960 --> 0:10:52.440 I was engaged. I was on the edge of my seat. 0:10:52.480 --> 0:10:54.840 I was all the great lines were coming, all the 0:10:54.880 --> 0:10:58.040 great acting was there. I mean, you're getting so much 0:10:58.080 --> 0:11:01.280 from the show, even when it's what we consider to 0:11:01.320 --> 0:11:06.199 be a little bit off center in terms of tone. Right, Okay, 0:11:06.559 --> 0:11:10.520 it's still bringing the heat. It's still engaging and great 0:11:10.600 --> 0:11:13.880 and just filled with great acting. And man, when do 0:11:13.960 --> 0:11:18.760 you ever see that, um like to that level? When 0:11:18.800 --> 0:11:22.240 did people ever get to do that? Because that's you're 0:11:22.280 --> 0:11:25.559 it's like you're watching theater or you're watching really really 0:11:25.559 --> 0:11:30.199 good film. I just thought this was it was unlike 0:11:30.840 --> 0:11:33.560 what we're used to on Gilmore Girls. But I think 0:11:33.600 --> 0:11:36.640 that I think that the writers have trained us as 0:11:36.640 --> 0:11:39.160 an audience to expect the unexpected, and that's kind of 0:11:39.160 --> 0:11:42.800 how they write. And this was definitely unexpected, but you know, delightful. 0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:46.120 Well yeah, maybe it was also because Luke and Nicole. 0:11:46.800 --> 0:11:49.480 It was just for me, I was like, uh, there's 0:11:49.600 --> 0:11:55.199 no unhappy and stars right now, right right right. It 0:11:55.600 --> 0:12:01.280 certainly didn't have the levity, shall we say, um, it 0:12:01.360 --> 0:12:03.440 was a different kind of humor, right, it was. It 0:12:03.520 --> 0:12:06.679 was deep, unt wrenching reels. And we come right from 0:12:06.720 --> 0:12:10.480 the very beginning of her friend dying. It's like, why 0:12:10.520 --> 0:12:12.960 is already dying? You know what I mean? Like her 0:12:13.520 --> 0:12:17.520 her friend dies, and then there's that drama and Richard 0:12:17.600 --> 0:12:19.640 isn't going to go to that funeral because he's gonna 0:12:19.720 --> 0:12:25.120 go with Mr. Himoto and Digger and yeah, and so 0:12:25.160 --> 0:12:29.480 I was like, okay, and then then they got another death. 0:12:30.000 --> 0:12:32.400 What did you find out? A little odd that, um, 0:12:32.440 --> 0:12:34.920 you know, Richard begged off that funeral. He said he 0:12:34.960 --> 0:12:38.120 had a business meeting and a lunch golf thing with 0:12:38.120 --> 0:12:41.080 with clients with Jason, and well, what's it's like so 0:12:41.280 --> 0:12:46.959 unfeeling and so uncaring. You know, her her good right, 0:12:47.480 --> 0:12:50.199 you're a good friend passed away, right, and nobody cared. 0:12:50.400 --> 0:12:53.720 Larela I didn't care, making jokes about it. Richard didn't care, 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:57.080 didn't want to go to the funeral. It's like, jeez man. Yeah, 0:12:57.320 --> 0:12:59.679 it was tracking though, based off the right off of 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:02.960 Richard's got going on right now. His work and Digger 0:13:03.000 --> 0:13:06.400 are so much more important. And look, I just want 0:13:06.400 --> 0:13:09.000 to say, it's almost like this is one of those 0:13:09.040 --> 0:13:13.080 episodes where four episodes from now, when we do that, 0:13:14.440 --> 0:13:16.440 this is going to make a lot of sense. And 0:13:16.520 --> 0:13:20.120 maybe that's what's clouding me because I'm a little dreading 0:13:20.200 --> 0:13:24.120 some of the things that are coming. So I don't 0:13:24.280 --> 0:13:29.920 know what's messing with me. They obviously I thought they 0:13:29.960 --> 0:13:34.040 needed to build another foundation to the structure and this 0:13:34.120 --> 0:13:38.600 is it. This was it um and you know that's life, right, 0:13:38.960 --> 0:13:44.760 People get, people become invisible in relationships at times they 0:13:44.800 --> 0:13:47.839 have to sort of, you know, shout a little bit 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:49.720 and say, hey, you know, take care of me. And 0:13:49.760 --> 0:13:53.160 that's just sort of this natural cycle of relationships in life. 0:13:53.160 --> 0:13:55.840 And you know, Emily is in one of those right now. 0:13:55.880 --> 0:13:58.680 So you're so right, Like I know that we don't 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:01.680 like you know, death on Gilmore Girls or you know, 0:14:01.800 --> 0:14:05.440 problems between Emily and Richard because they are you know, 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:09.320 quote unquote the pillars of you know, the show. But 0:14:09.679 --> 0:14:12.240 I do think Gilmore Girls in general, there's a really 0:14:12.240 --> 0:14:17.280 good way of of like mirroring what's happening in life 0:14:17.400 --> 0:14:20.440 for just people, but also making it you know, a 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:23.760 little adding a flare to it, a little more dramatic 0:14:23.800 --> 0:14:26.360 obviously because it's a TV show. But I think people 0:14:26.440 --> 0:14:29.320 can can watch this and relate to it, you know, 0:14:29.320 --> 0:14:33.480 whether their grandmother passed away or they feel invisible in 0:14:33.800 --> 0:14:38.160 you know, their relationship, or um a relative passes away 0:14:38.160 --> 0:14:39.760 but they're not close to them, so they don't know 0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:43.280 how to feel. You know. Like all these different elements 0:14:43.280 --> 0:14:46.480 of this show. Although it does suck, it's centered around death. 0:14:46.880 --> 0:14:49.720 I think everyone can kind of find a thing that 0:14:49.760 --> 0:14:52.880 they can relate to. It's almost like, oh, I didn't 0:14:52.920 --> 0:14:56.760 know they could do that, And look how versatile the writings, 0:14:56.840 --> 0:14:59.200 look how versatile the acting is. They went there. It's 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:02.960 like a band. You know, some bands they're very versatile. 0:15:03.000 --> 0:15:04.880 They can do all different kinds of styles and oh, 0:15:05.120 --> 0:15:08.040 nice ballads and then heavy stuff and then cool rock 0:15:08.080 --> 0:15:10.520 stuff and some bands just do straight rock stuff or whatever. 0:15:10.760 --> 0:15:13.120 And you know what, you're gonna get this one. It's like, 0:15:13.160 --> 0:15:16.000 this is a different type of a song that Yeah, 0:15:16.040 --> 0:15:18.600 that's that's a good analogy, you know what I'm saying. 0:15:18.640 --> 0:15:22.000 And you still like the band, but you're like, right, 0:15:22.040 --> 0:15:24.600 it deepens the experience with the band. It's like I 0:15:24.640 --> 0:15:27.240 didn't know they could do that, or they would do that, 0:15:27.440 --> 0:15:29.880 Like it was a risk, right, they took a risk 0:15:30.120 --> 0:15:31.960 and it paid off. I thought. I just thought it 0:15:32.000 --> 0:15:35.280 deepened the show, deepened the quality of the show, and 0:15:35.320 --> 0:15:37.720 it deepened our experience as an audience of it because 0:15:37.720 --> 0:15:42.960 we're going deeper with them. Yeah. I liked loraa Lye, 0:15:43.160 --> 0:15:45.480 like she was handling everything. Well. I sort of brought 0:15:45.480 --> 0:15:49.960 it up like Digger kind of bugged. I don't know why. Yeah, 0:15:50.000 --> 0:15:52.840 that one, that one line he said where he was 0:15:52.920 --> 0:15:57.240 like someone like ever like was the one lighte he 0:15:57.280 --> 0:16:00.560 said where he was like it's a bad time my family, 0:16:00.560 --> 0:16:03.120 where someone's dying once a month or something like that. Yeah, 0:16:03.200 --> 0:16:07.000 and when he was ten years old. Yeah, Yeah, I 0:16:07.040 --> 0:16:10.160 just thought Digger didn't really step up. He didn't really 0:16:10.160 --> 0:16:12.240 step up for Richard, he didn't really step up for 0:16:12.280 --> 0:16:15.000 lower Lie. Yeah. But do we expect him to We don't. 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:18.200 I don't, absolutely not. I sort of always hoped he 0:16:18.240 --> 0:16:20.840 would be a really great guy. I'm waiting for the 0:16:20.880 --> 0:16:23.760 funny excuses, and I find him just bizarre and funny. 0:16:23.800 --> 0:16:26.800 Now you know, he's like the funnier. He was the 0:16:26.840 --> 0:16:28.640 funniest guy in the episode because he was like, no, 0:16:28.720 --> 0:16:31.400 I like, you don't understand. I'm really screwed up and 0:16:31.440 --> 0:16:34.240 I can't do this when I was Tennis Like, it's like, okay, alright, 0:16:34.280 --> 0:16:37.120 this guy he's like, did you see how long that 0:16:37.320 --> 0:16:42.920 hug was? Wait? Okay, I know I'm being annoying by 0:16:42.960 --> 0:16:48.440 like trying to direct so long? Why did that? Luke 0:16:48.480 --> 0:16:50.800 and Nicole we get that kind of so, so we 0:16:50.920 --> 0:16:54.120 get the opening scene and they're eating the scargo, which 0:16:54.160 --> 0:17:00.440 is so gross. I mean, just that scargo was great 0:17:00.480 --> 0:17:03.760 if it's done well, No, it's just that's so good. 0:17:04.280 --> 0:17:09.960 Such a Now it's Scot's like such a Yes, I've 0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:13.359 never tried it, but I want it. Oh, Tara, Tara 0:17:13.440 --> 0:17:16.439 just opened up the hole. I know you should have 0:17:16.480 --> 0:17:20.800 said that. I actually why, I'm very like, I'll eat anything, 0:17:21.000 --> 0:17:23.720 like I really do. I'll try anything, so at least 0:17:23.720 --> 0:17:27.680 once I've tried it. It's not the taste of it's 0:17:27.720 --> 0:17:30.840 the thought of it. Yeah, is it like really salty? 0:17:31.359 --> 0:17:35.280 Like the chew of it? You know, if you combine 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:39.120 it with a pesto like a warm pluck. I don't 0:17:39.160 --> 0:17:48.160 even like pesto. Well, let's talk about Nicole and Luke, 0:17:48.280 --> 0:17:51.159 because I feel like there's a lot there, and I 0:17:51.160 --> 0:17:54.640 feel like, Amy, you are passionate about Nicole and Luke, 0:17:54.760 --> 0:17:56.960 so you go for it. Well, I don't like it. 0:17:57.160 --> 0:17:59.560 I've never liked it. I'm ready to be done with Nicole. 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:02.680 I actual really thought she was done. I forgot that 0:18:02.800 --> 0:18:06.000 we have to deal with this, so, you know, I'm 0:18:06.040 --> 0:18:09.280 not feeling like she could like I liked. She's fine, 0:18:10.040 --> 0:18:14.400 she's fine. No one's right for him. So anyway, I mean, okay, fine, 0:18:14.440 --> 0:18:17.080 they're fighting. It's really annoying. They should end it. And 0:18:17.080 --> 0:18:18.639 it was a little sad when he's like, are you 0:18:18.640 --> 0:18:22.399 going home? And she's just like, yeah, no, are you 0:18:22.480 --> 0:18:26.000 going back to our place? And she's like whatever she says, 0:18:26.080 --> 0:18:31.760 what did she say? She said our place? Yeah, because 0:18:31.800 --> 0:18:36.000 it's not their place, like Luke does not stay there there. Yeah. 0:18:36.200 --> 0:18:39.600 Well right, I don't even want to know what's going 0:18:39.640 --> 0:18:44.480 on between those two. I just wanted to end. Yeah, 0:18:44.600 --> 0:18:49.440 no one cares. Sorry, love Tricia, right, she's great. Yeah, 0:18:49.480 --> 0:18:52.320 she's a great actress and she was fun on set. 0:18:52.480 --> 0:18:56.560 It looks great. She's just great every way. But yeah, 0:18:56.600 --> 0:19:01.240 that relationship is seen better days. Man, it never saw 0:19:01.359 --> 0:19:08.240 better days. It was bad from the start. I don't know, 0:19:08.320 --> 0:19:11.159 so anyway, I'm not sure. I guess Look who am I? 0:19:11.200 --> 0:19:14.640 Who am I to judge? I'm supposed to be fired. 0:19:14.800 --> 0:19:19.400 But what it's fine. Look, we're all trying, and I'm 0:19:19.400 --> 0:19:21.640 working on all the things that you guys criticize. I'm 0:19:21.640 --> 0:19:24.199 working on it also. Anyway, let's get back to it. 0:19:24.400 --> 0:19:27.359 So Lane is working at the diner, which I like, 0:19:28.560 --> 0:19:31.320 and how the fish pan got mixed with the eggs? 0:19:31.640 --> 0:19:38.080 I correct, Yeah, But what I actually I don't know. 0:19:38.160 --> 0:19:41.480 It's is this weird of me to get territorial because 0:19:41.480 --> 0:19:44.399 those are my lines? Right? I wanted to deliver those lines. 0:19:45.440 --> 0:19:48.040 You know what I'm saying, Lanes lines. He means, yeah, 0:19:48.280 --> 0:19:50.679 it's like, now Lane's taking my lines away from me 0:19:50.840 --> 0:19:54.400 just because you were fighting the coal. But I want, 0:19:55.160 --> 0:19:58.119 I want, I want, Then I want Luke any line 0:19:58.160 --> 0:20:02.080 in the diner's looks, I mean, I agree, I mean 0:20:02.160 --> 0:20:05.399 you don't. They're not Lane lines. They're lukelines, and having 0:20:06.359 --> 0:20:10.080 Lane do lukelines is then Lane's not being Lane. So 0:20:10.119 --> 0:20:13.040 it's sort of all mixed up. Yeah. I feel like 0:20:13.400 --> 0:20:16.280 when I was watching this, I felt like, Okay, obviously 0:20:16.359 --> 0:20:18.480 Rory's in Yale and they don't want to like get 0:20:18.560 --> 0:20:21.600 rid of Lane, so like they're trying to incorporate her 0:20:21.920 --> 0:20:25.800 in a different way that she can hear in every episode, 0:20:25.880 --> 0:20:28.240 or of her with the boys at the apartment. I've 0:20:28.240 --> 0:20:33.199 gotten more of that. Probably she needs money through but 0:20:33.320 --> 0:20:35.760 we can know she works at the dinner. I think 0:20:35.840 --> 0:20:39.119 for me maybe it was too much with the death, 0:20:39.400 --> 0:20:45.399 Emily's meltdown, the letter, Richard heartbroken, and Luke and Nicole 0:20:45.440 --> 0:20:47.600 are fighting like I didn't have any Luke and lower 0:20:47.680 --> 0:20:53.560 Lie comfort. As it might be. I think that in 0:20:53.640 --> 0:20:56.920 the last couple of years, we have all been conditioned, 0:20:57.200 --> 0:21:02.280 if we're fans of TV watching UM to get ten 0:21:03.320 --> 0:21:06.800 great episodes and that's it. That's all you get per season. 0:21:07.359 --> 0:21:11.480 This order when we were doing it, was twenty two, 0:21:11.720 --> 0:21:15.000 so it's hard. It's so hard to do twenty two. 0:21:15.240 --> 0:21:17.399 It's really hard to do, like and I think this 0:21:17.400 --> 0:21:20.000 show does it better than anybody to give you twenty 0:21:20.040 --> 0:21:23.560 two really quality episodes, even though yes we can point 0:21:23.560 --> 0:21:26.520 out some um you know, we could do a little 0:21:26.560 --> 0:21:30.120 Monday morning quarterbacking, which isn't terribly fair because we're not 0:21:30.240 --> 0:21:32.920 there in the writer's room in the moment, under pressure, 0:21:32.960 --> 0:21:36.600 taking studio notes, taking network notes, rejecting them, you know, 0:21:36.720 --> 0:21:38.800 filing through everything. What do we do? What do we do? 0:21:39.119 --> 0:21:41.639 And then they make these decisions, and we're still getting 0:21:41.680 --> 0:21:45.520 these great episodes. So it's really tough producing, especially back then, 0:21:45.920 --> 0:21:48.359 producing all these episodes now a lot of these new 0:21:49.119 --> 0:21:54.040 ten episode arc things that one season. I don't think 0:21:54.600 --> 0:21:58.040 that these show runners are getting the level of notes 0:21:58.440 --> 0:22:02.000 that network television gives their showrunners. I think that since 0:22:02.000 --> 0:22:05.440 they're coming from the film side, right and creating these 0:22:05.480 --> 0:22:10.399 wonderful shows, these dynamic, incredibly insightful and beautifully acting and 0:22:10.440 --> 0:22:13.959 beautifully written shows, you're not getting the kind of uh 0:22:14.359 --> 0:22:18.399 network or studio notes that one would expect. It's like, 0:22:18.720 --> 0:22:21.480 hands off. You know, we've got Oscar winning people in here, 0:22:21.520 --> 0:22:25.480 Oscar nominated writers in here. You know, f off, We're 0:22:25.520 --> 0:22:27.680 gonna do what we're gonna do. You're gonna and that's 0:22:27.680 --> 0:22:30.879 the way it is. So it's it's um So I 0:22:30.920 --> 0:22:33.520 thought they navigated. I thought Gilmore, the Gilmore writing staff 0:22:33.560 --> 0:22:36.000 navigated this stuff beautifully because it's well, it's really hard 0:22:36.040 --> 0:22:38.960 to do back then. I'm able to separate myself and say, 0:22:39.080 --> 0:22:42.840 just because I didn't love it doesn't mean it's not 0:22:43.280 --> 0:22:47.120 an amazing episode. I think it was an amazing episode. Yeah, 0:22:47.119 --> 0:22:48.680 I think I maybe it was just in the headspace 0:22:48.800 --> 0:22:53.040 or it was too two. It almost just made me 0:22:53.160 --> 0:22:55.800 think too much, and I didn't like where my head 0:22:55.880 --> 0:22:58.760 was going. Right, It's not what this show does best, 0:22:59.000 --> 0:23:01.960 but it proved that it can do it if call 0:23:02.080 --> 0:23:05.880 upon to do it. And what did you think of no, 0:23:05.920 --> 0:23:07.920 go ahead, go ahead? I mean, what did you think 0:23:07.920 --> 0:23:10.240 of sort of incorporating a little bit of Yale into 0:23:10.280 --> 0:23:15.880 this episode with the paper and Doyle. I enjoyed that stuff. Yeah, 0:23:15.920 --> 0:23:18.240 I didn't mind that. I could have done without it. 0:23:18.440 --> 0:23:24.800 I'm over. I'm over Doyle, Like well, oh no, really, guys, 0:23:25.600 --> 0:23:30.520 Doyle is going to be around. He just is. Like 0:23:30.760 --> 0:23:34.200 so I will say, like, I don't like Doyle. Here, 0:23:36.400 --> 0:23:40.080 I don't I I like Doyle. Fine, if Rory starts 0:23:40.160 --> 0:23:44.360 dating Doyle, I'm going to be mad. Not saying anything, 0:23:44.560 --> 0:23:48.280 but again, if they if they cut to a Yale scene, 0:23:48.720 --> 0:23:52.119 the pull is the pull away from death and into 0:23:52.200 --> 0:23:56.520 life and you know, and youthful life and energy. It's 0:23:56.560 --> 0:23:58.240 really strong and you want to stay there so you 0:23:58.280 --> 0:23:59.679 don't want to leave, and then you go back to 0:23:59.720 --> 0:24:04.359 death and it's like, you know, but you're so yeah, 0:24:04.760 --> 0:24:06.680 so interesting. You bring that up too, because I thought, 0:24:07.080 --> 0:24:09.199 and I don't know, i'd be interested to take a 0:24:09.200 --> 0:24:12.199 stop watch. I felt like the death anything with the 0:24:12.280 --> 0:24:16.600 death storyline, the scenes felt long, and the other scenes, 0:24:16.680 --> 0:24:20.399 the diner scene, the Doyle scene, the Suki scene, they 0:24:20.440 --> 0:24:22.840 all seemed so short to me. So I don't know 0:24:22.880 --> 0:24:27.199 if they were they actually were shorter, or if it 0:24:27.240 --> 0:24:30.919 was just like I was getting these brief breaths and 0:24:30.920 --> 0:24:33.119 then I had to go back to the terrible and 0:24:33.160 --> 0:24:36.520 then I'm already feeling terrible, and then the letter, I'm like, 0:24:36.560 --> 0:24:41.800