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Speaker 2: Good morning, Los Angeles. It's me Jason McIntyre here on

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Speaker 2: the Herd. Happy afternoon to the East Coast folks. It's Friday.

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Speaker 2: It is a beautiful day of culmination.

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Speaker 3: To a spectacular week. Listen.

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Speaker 2: Rachel Nichols and I have had a banger of a

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Speaker 2: week hosting this show. I mean, listen, we had the

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Speaker 2: Taylor Swift no days at.

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Speaker 4: A helm, they engagement, no day's off, you know every day.

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Speaker 3: I'm looking at my notes here.

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Speaker 2: I angered the Chicago Bears fan base with this. Caleb

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Speaker 2: williamsuff I'm just hoping Rachel, we can close with and

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Speaker 2: it's some.

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Speaker 4: Good news find it and good news that keyp Living

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Speaker 4: Green Bank.

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Speaker 2: We were gifted basically, I mean the gift that keeps

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Speaker 2: on giving.

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Speaker 3: Like this is amazing.

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Speaker 2: Michael Parsons traded by the Cowboys would have happened like

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Speaker 2: two hours after our show.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And I walked into the morning meeting and I said,

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Speaker 2: are we gonna just do three hours on Michael Parsons?

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Speaker 3: We could?

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Speaker 2: Cowherd texted me that should be the entire show. I

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Speaker 2: was like, yes, sir, not to yes, sir, Coward will

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Speaker 2: be back next week.

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Speaker 3: But let's start there. Let's start with the.

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Speaker 2: Green Bay Packers basically putting on ski masks, going into

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Speaker 2: Dallas and stealing Michael Parsons from the Cowboys for peanuts.

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Speaker 2: I cannot believe that this trade happened. I think obviously

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Speaker 2: green Bay won the trade. There's many angles to break

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Speaker 2: down here. I'm gonna go with the Packers angle first

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Speaker 2: because I do think and I haven't seen a lot

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Speaker 2: of other takes on this, I think the Packers are

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Speaker 2: right there as one of the best teams, not only

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Speaker 2: in the NFC but in the league. This puts them

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Speaker 2: in the serious Super Bowl consideration. I had them in

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Speaker 2: my Tier two for Super Bowl contenders this week. They

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Speaker 2: clearly vault to one. I mean, I don't think people

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Speaker 2: realize just how good Micah Parsons is.

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Speaker 3: Okay, this move going from.

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Speaker 2: Dallas to Green Bay, I believe is bigger than the

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Speaker 2: Matt Stafford trade from a few years ago. When the

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Speaker 2: to a Super Bowl. But Michael Parsons is in his prime.

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Speaker 2: He's only played four seasons in the league. Matt Stafford

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Speaker 2: was thirty three, a little older. You know, the Christian

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Speaker 2: McCaffrey trade was big. Khalil Mack trade was big. This

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Speaker 2: is seismic. I mean, folks, Michael Parsons again, I know

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Speaker 2: room stuff his podcast. We will address that because it

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Speaker 2: bears some discussion. But let me just remind folks, Michah

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Speaker 2: Parsons in year one was runner up Defensive Player of

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Speaker 2: the Year. Okay, He's been an All Pro three times

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Speaker 2: It's not hyperbole to say Michael Parsons is already on

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Speaker 3: Now, we don't know what's.

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Speaker 2: Gonna happen, obviously, but Parsons is a terror coming off

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Speaker 3: And if you're the Green Bay Packers and you.

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Speaker 2: Look at your defensive roster and you're like, oh, we

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you why the draft is important. This morning

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Speaker 2: And the draft is important because I missed this, and

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Speaker 2: think everybody did. But at the draft, the Green Bay

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Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers bemoaned that fact. He openly was like, we

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Speaker 2: that guy. Get him on your fantasy team. Now you

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Speaker 2: add Michael Parsons a massive trade. What did we hear

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Speaker 3: They don't do that. They don't make these huge, splashy trades.

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Speaker 3: Haven't done that forever.

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Speaker 2: Once again, the Packers break character, go out and get

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Speaker 2: And I believe the green Bay Packers probably will be

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Speaker 2: Bay fans, you've got to be absolutely geeked. I got

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Speaker 3: It's a great day in Green Bay.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, for those who are saying, well,

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Speaker 3: Jordan loves contract. They got him early.

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Speaker 2: Guys, he is only the thirteenth biggest cap hit at quarterback.

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Speaker 3: In the league. You want to take a guess who's

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Speaker 2: And let's move to Dallas now and address that side

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Speaker 3: I want to start.

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Speaker 2: Positive because I want to ear Muffett Cowboys fans.

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Speaker 3: This is going to be a little negative. So there's

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Speaker 2: Exercise that I've been told to do. You know, you

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Speaker 2: and say, man, don't you wish you knew this at twenty?

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Speaker 2: And then you do it at you know, at thirty,

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Speaker 2: So when you do it at forty, it's mostly about

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Speaker 2: of life. But when you read about this, the one

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Speaker 2: to act with less emotion in relationships and work. Just

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Speaker 2: chill out, calm down now, if you couldn't tell I

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Speaker 2: tend to get emotional sometimes specifically about sports, and I

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Speaker 2: told Jane Slater, by the way, she's going to be

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Speaker 2: He told Jane Slater that after news broke this week

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Speaker 2: his agent who his agent's really good, went to the

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Speaker 2: got very emotional and told Micah and his agent play

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Speaker 2: how you run a football team. That is amateur hour.

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Speaker 2: Amateurs act on emotion.

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Speaker 3: Pros. They look at the.

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Speaker 2: Numbers, and the numbers said, Jerry, you bungled this badly.

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Speaker 2: And for those out there who were screaming, Jay Mac,

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Speaker 2: wait a minute, they didn't overpay, and they got an

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Speaker 2: The reason that this got this far was because Jerry

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Speaker 2: Gone last year and said, you know what, we can't

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Speaker 2: You could have made the deal last year and got

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Speaker 2: more for Michael Parsons.

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Speaker 3: Why wait so long?

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Speaker 2: I mean, at worst, if he had done this at

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Speaker 2: the beginning of the offseason, Jerry gets a bidding war

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Speaker 2: I understand he's a billionaire, and I understand he's had success,

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Speaker 2: you know, thirty years ago with Jimmy Johnson winning a

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Speaker 2: bunch of Super Bowls. But did Jerry just totally misplay

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Speaker 2: his hand here? Well, yeah, clearly he bungled this so badly.

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Speaker 2: Folks paying Dak and Lamb and knowing that you can't

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Speaker 2: pay Micah like you should have done this last year. Now,

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Speaker 2: Jerry Jones took went in front of media on Thursday

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Speaker 2: after the trade and guys, he claims he's been thinking

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Speaker 5: We did think it was in the best interest of

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Speaker 5: our organization, not only the future, but right now this

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Speaker 5: season as well. We've gained a Pro Bowl player in

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Speaker 5: an area that we had big concern in of concerns

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Speaker 5: in on the inside of our defense. The facts are, specifically,

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Speaker 5: we need to stop the run and we haven't been

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Speaker 5: able to stop the run at key times for several years.

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Speaker 2: Boy, if I was allowed to use expletives on the show,

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Speaker 2: I would have come out of that quote and said,

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Speaker 2: what the are you talking about? We need to stop

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Speaker 2: the run? What kind of alternative universes? Jerry Jones livingan folks? Okay, fine,

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Speaker 2: you knew you needed to stop the run at the draft.

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Speaker 2: Let's take a look at the Cowboys.

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Speaker 3: Draft, shall we.

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Speaker 2: They got an offensive lineman, an edge rusher, a quarterback,

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Speaker 2: at pick two hundred and seventeen. Mister, we've got to

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Speaker 2: stop the run. You waited two hundred and seventeen picks

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Speaker 2: By the way, they're odds because I know you guys

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Speaker 3: We'll address that later.

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Speaker 2: Rachel and I have many layers to this story, so

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Speaker 6: An incredible story and not the way we thought this

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Speaker 2: Unbelievable turn of events. Coming up next Dallas. Forget about

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Speaker 3: We will talk about that a lot in this show.

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Speaker 2: Col McCoy's dropping by next hour, Cardale Jones, I just

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Speaker 2: We'll address all that, but I want to go back

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Speaker 2: Rachel pointed this out in the meeting this morning, so

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Speaker 2: It's been a rough eight nine months for the city

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Speaker 3: Was a Saturday night, Saturday night.

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Speaker 2: fans were crestfallen. They had just gone to the finals.

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Speaker 2: Everything's looking great. Luca, you know, was injured, but to

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Speaker 3: Out season ticket hold. It was a mess.

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Speaker 2: Now, they did get lucky with Cooper Flag in the draft.

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Speaker 3: So that has eased some of it.

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Speaker 2: But for that to go down in February and now

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Speaker 2: in August, Michael Parsons the most popular cowboy I know,

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Speaker 2: Dak has been loved, but come on, guys, Michael Parsons

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Speaker 2: is the heartbeat of that team. To trade him, you

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Speaker 2: Here's an old photo Michael Parsons and Luca swapping jerseys.

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Speaker 2: Michael Parson's a monster. Luca towers over him.

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Speaker 2: Feels like that has happened this year to Dallas. You

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Speaker 2: lose Luca, you lose Micah. How does how on earth

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Speaker 3: I mean, guys, the parallels you are staggering.

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Speaker 2: Luca, given what he did in his first like five

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Speaker 2: same damn thing. His numbers through four years are unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: these guys are first ballot Hall of Famers. Both were traded. Now, interestingly,

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Speaker 2: the MAVs didn't love Luca's conditioning. He was beloved by teammates.

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Speaker 2: if you guys remember, DeMarcus Lawrence, a beloved cowboy defensive lineman,

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Speaker 3: Online with Michah Parsons.

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Speaker 2: And I asked this question because I don't think anybody

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Speaker 3: Micah Parsons was a locker room distraction.

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Speaker 2: I mean, DeMarcus Lawrence called him out when he left

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Speaker 2: And Jerry has made some veiled references to off the

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Speaker 3: Nothing bad nothing awful, but just distracted.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 3: I can't tell if this is the modern young athlete.

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Speaker 2: I haven't seen a podcast episode drop regarding this trade.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of new.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Michael would.

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Speaker 3: I'm still the man here. Micah, thank you for your service.

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Speaker 3: You're out. Let's go to Rachel Nichols with the news.

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Speaker 2: No no, no.

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Speaker 3: Turn on the news.

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Speaker 7: This is the Herd Line News, Jason.

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Speaker 4: We got so much more Mica to come.

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Speaker 6: But let's quickly check in on the Bengals. They've had Burrow, Chase,

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Speaker 4: Now, j MC, that's lovely.

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Speaker 6: I'm listening to all of this, and all I can

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Speaker 4: So it's great that all these guys are healthy.

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Speaker 6: I'm glad you're celebrating that training camp. But isn't it

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I would I would agree, but you know, if

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Speaker 6: But I'm saying they're saying, hey, this is the first

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Speaker 4: Okay, you know what that got.

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Speaker 6: You the number one scoring offense in the NFL.

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Speaker 4: I'm not worried about that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they're good.

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Speaker 4: So I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting. By the way, Bengals at Packers Week six,

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Speaker 3: Be a good one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, basically Michael Parson's chasing Joe burrowround.

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Speaker 4: I was going to say, this train has turned so

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well I did a good one.

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Speaker 2: But Week four is Micah Parsons against Dallas, not.

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Speaker 4: Just against Dallas in Dallallas.

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Speaker 2: Sunday Night football. That Yeah, that's a circle went on

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Speaker 2: the calendar. Let's get that September twenty eighth. Yeah, if

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Speaker 3: Wedding to go to, sorry, make sure the photus charged.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, of that kind of gain you go.

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Speaker 6: failure because it didn't end in a super Bowl. So

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Speaker 6: this year, he says he's trying to learn to be

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Speaker 6: more vocal, more of a leader. He has really been

442
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Speaker 6: on his receivers in practice when they drop passes, bait interceptions.

443
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Speaker 6: His quote was, I'm not angry at you or anything

444
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Speaker 6: like that, but when we're competing out here, I need

445
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Speaker 6: you to be a competitor because I'm extremely competitive. I

446
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Speaker 6: don't like to lose, and you should feel the same way.

447
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Speaker 6: Now we know again, same as the Bagels.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 6: Regular season Ravens regular season, Lamar good, he's good, doesn't

450
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Speaker 6: really need a lot of improvement there. But do you

451
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Speaker 6: think that this more aggressive attitude over the seventeen weeks

452
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Speaker 6: will translate into better playoff performances when it counts?

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Speaker 3: I'll lean yes, you want to work to build up

454
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Speaker 3: to the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: But the bad thing is for these guys and the

456
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Speaker 2: Bills like, great, you win twelve games, wonderful?

457
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Speaker 3: Can you beat the Chiefs? Engineer? That's really what it's

458
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Speaker 3: I mean, I know that sounds bad, but would you

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Speaker 3: say that's the truth.

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Speaker 6: Oh, it's completely the truth. But if you're Lamar Jackson,

461
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Speaker 6: how do you prep for that? So if that's the

462
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Speaker 6: thing that people have been saying on you to you, yeah,

463
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Speaker 6: I can't get it done in the playoffs, right, That's

464
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Speaker 6: that's the only knock on him, because otherwise he's been phenomenal.

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Speaker 4: So how would you prep to do that better? Now?

466
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Speaker 4: For him? This is this is what he's trying.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's probably gonna be tough for him to stay

468
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Speaker 2: locked in the whole regular season knowing, hey, playoffs that's

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Speaker 2: what it's all about.

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Speaker 3: I did just look. Packers host the Ravens every week, seventeen.

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Speaker 3: Now it's flexible. So I'm gonna go ahead and.

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Speaker 2: Guess that's gonna be flex to probably Sunday night, right

473
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Speaker 2: ad time, that's gonna be in one amazing game boy

474
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Speaker 2: Michael Parsons gets to Chase Lamar Burrow.

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Speaker 4: Oh gosh, schedule that packer schedule.

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Speaker 3: Well, okay, it's not easy, that's for sure.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I will talk a little bit more

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Speaker 6: Michael Parsons. All right, so all of this situation you

479
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Speaker 6: talked about it at the top of the show, a

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Speaker 6: lot of spotlight on Jerry Jones as a GM. So

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Speaker 6: I wanted to look at how the lack of planning

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Speaker 6: by the Cowboys, how that's cost them.

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Speaker 4: So first I'm want to look at the dollars.

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Speaker 6: Right Bill Barnwell of ESPN no analytics guru, he wrote,

485
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Speaker 6: I think it was like a ten thousand word piece

486
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Speaker 6: breaking down every moment that the Cowboys could have extended

487
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Speaker 6: them these guys, what the market was at the time.

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Speaker 4: These are his calculations.

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Speaker 6: If they first extended DAK when they could have over

490
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Speaker 6: both of the contracts he signed, they would have saved

491
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Speaker 6: forty nine million dollars. If they first extended CD Lamb

492
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Speaker 6: when they had the opportunity and what the market was,

493
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Speaker 6: they would have saved fourteen million dollars.

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Speaker 4: And if he had.

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Speaker 6: Extended Michael last year when he did the Dack and

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Speaker 6: CD the deals, remember he said.

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Speaker 4: We'll worry about him next year. I worry about him

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Speaker 4: next year.

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Speaker 6: He could have saved thirty six million dollars, less than

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Speaker 6: what Micah eventually signed for in Bay. So that's just

501
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Speaker 6: the money, by the way, and that all lads up

502
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Speaker 6: to about ninety nine million dollars you could have been

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Speaker 6: paying other players.

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Speaker 4: And then of course you brought it up.

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Speaker 6: When do you put if you say, oh, well, we're

506
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Speaker 6: here now and Michael Parsons, we need to trade him.

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Speaker 6: If you had put him up for trade in the spring,

508
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Speaker 6: you could have gotten him out of the conference. Do

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Speaker 6: you think that the Bills would have given you for

510
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Speaker 6: Mike Parsons? What do you think the Bengals would have

511
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Speaker 6: given you for Micah Parsons? You brought up the Raiders right,

512
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Speaker 6: the trade package. Even if you stayed in the conference,

513
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Speaker 6: the Packers would have been forced to give you more.

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Speaker 6: So just the opportunity cost at not making these plans

515
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Speaker 6: for Jerry as a GM has to be part of

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Speaker 6: this conversation because it's part.

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Speaker 4: Of what got us here with this trade.

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Speaker 3: I look forward to reading that.

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Speaker 2: It's just bad business, right, there's no way around that.

520
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Speaker 3: And I know and listen, I like.

521
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Speaker 2: So, I don't know how much I've told you about myself,

522
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:03,680
Speaker 2: but I wanted to be a lawyer when I was

523
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Speaker 2: a young kid.

524
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Speaker 3: So I like to argue both sides.

525
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Speaker 2: And sometimes I'll argue against Micah and then you know,

526
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Speaker 2: sometimes I'll argue for I don't think there's any other

527
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Speaker 2: side to this trade, at least right now.

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Speaker 3: You know, if they get I don't want to.

529
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Speaker 2: Tease the arch band to go, they get arch Mand

530
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Speaker 2: and he's a superstar, they trade up.

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Speaker 3: That changes the thing.

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Speaker 2: But right now, like, could you what's a real argument, Rachel,

533
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Speaker 2: right now that this was an okay deal?

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Speaker 6: I mean, the argument to me is just that they

535
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Speaker 6: were in this position in the first place, is say,

536
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Speaker 6: gross mismanagement. I remember two years ago sitting on the

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Speaker 6: set right across the stage over here talking about how

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Speaker 6: they had coming up the DAK deal, the CD deal,

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Speaker 6: the Parsons deal.

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Speaker 4: Right we knew it FS one, we were talking about it.

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Speaker 6: They didn't plan for that because if you were staring

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Speaker 6: down the barrel of those three guys needing to get paid,

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Speaker 6: and you just decided roster construction wise, it's just not

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Speaker 6: a good idea for us to put this much money

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Speaker 6: into three players to me, and this is no disrespect.

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Speaker 4: To ceedee Lamb.

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Speaker 6: I'm paying and keeping the two guys who affect every

548
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Speaker 6: snap of the ball on their side, the pass rusher

549
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Speaker 6: and the quarterback affect every snap of the ball CD.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I mean, sure he's a decoy out there or drawing

552
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Speaker 6: a defense when he's not catching, but he's averaging seven.

553
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Speaker 4: I think catches a game, So that affects such a

554
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Speaker 4: smaller percentage of your game, of your place. Like I

555
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Speaker 4: just the decision.

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Speaker 6: Making and forethought here over and over and over again,

557
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Speaker 6: even just to get us to yesterday, is something I

558
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Speaker 6: don't think we're talking about enough.

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Speaker 2: Did you see that Venus Williams and Serena Williams movie

560
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Speaker 2: with Will Smith?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Williams sisters. Yeah.

562
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Speaker 2: He I'm pretty sure that was the movie where he

563
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Speaker 2: had this great quote, if you.

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Speaker 3: Don't have a plan, plan to fail. Yeah, And it

565
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Speaker 3: feels like Jerry did not have a plan.

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Speaker 2: He was just kind of winging it to Rachel, we

567
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Speaker 2: can't have much money.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the herd.

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Speaker 2: Law I knew, all right, So Rachel, we have a

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Speaker 2: treat here. So Jerry spoke yesterday and it was kind

571
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Speaker 2: of chaotic. I did not see this quote, but the

572
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Speaker 2: staff just showed it to me. Here is Jerry Jones

573
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Speaker 2: being asked, Hey, man, you said a few months ago

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Speaker 2: you would never trade Micah Parsons.

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Speaker 3: What changed you were never considering trading Michael Parsons.

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Speaker 9: Was that a tactic at the moment or did your

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Speaker 9: tune eventually change in the LATK Do.

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Speaker 5: You really think if I wanted someone to be interested

579
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Speaker 5: in him that I would say, oh, I'm going to trade.

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Speaker 5: It's the opposite. It's the opposite.

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Speaker 3: For DJs five D I don't guys, I'm sorry. Just

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Speaker 3: think about it, guys. Can we just have the Can

583
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Speaker 3: we just play? I don't know ifink you just played

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Speaker 3: the end of it.

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Speaker 2: But when he looks, he's like, do you think I

586
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Speaker 2: really it's the opit? Like, listen, I know bad ownership

587
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Speaker 2: as a Jets fan. Woody Johnson is, for my money,

588
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Speaker 2: the worst owner. And I don't see how Jerry's like

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Speaker 2: right there with him after this debacle. I mean, it's

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Speaker 2: unbelievab All right, Coming up next, Jane Slater, NFL Network,

591
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Speaker 2: She spoke to Micah.

592
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Speaker 3: First person to speak to Micah.

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Speaker 2: She's got all the details that's coming up next year

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Speaker 2: on the Herd.

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Speaker 7: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 7: and noone Easter, not a Empacific.

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Speaker 2: All right, James Slater, NFL Network, Coming right up real quick.

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Speaker 2: Maybe I should stop bashing Jerry Jones and just thank him.

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00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 2: He's the gift that keeps on giving folks. He just

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Speaker 2: keeps opening his mouth at the podium and saying things.

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Speaker 2: And I know I used the term gaslight earlier and

602
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 2: I hate somebody used it on me and it really

603
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Speaker 2: annoyed me.

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Speaker 11: But I feel like, if you're a Cowboys fan and

605
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Speaker 11: you hear this stuff, you just got to be like, bro,

606
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 11: come on, just stop running the team. You don't even

607
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Speaker 11: know what you're talking about. This was Jerry Yesterday, Okay,

608
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 11: frame of mind.

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Speaker 2: Jerry Yesterday on what he first thought about a Micah

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Speaker 2: Parson's trade.

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Speaker 5: There was no question in our mind that Michael could

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00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 5: bring us a lot of resources on a trade that

613
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 5: has been on my mind since have we hired Brian.

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00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 5: This trade was not just thought about today. This trade

615
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 5: has been going on in our minds and our strategies

616
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 5: and being talked about. It's been going on all spring.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 5: It culminated today and it came quick, but that's the

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Speaker 5: way things go.

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Speaker 2: All spirit Really okay, I'm really happy for you, Jerry.

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Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, it seems like you seem like you

622
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Speaker 2: won this deal. You're really trying to sell a really hard.

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Speaker 2: It's like, you know, your your buddy starts dating a

624
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Speaker 2: new girl, and then he introduces her to the crew

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00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 2: and you guys hang out one night and pretty much

626
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Speaker 2: the cruise universally like, yeah, I know she's not that fun,

627
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 2: probably not a good but guys, she's so cool and

628
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 2: smart and hot and like, she's awesome, trust me. But

629
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Speaker 2: everybody meets and I don't think it's a good fit.

630
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 2: But he's really trying to sell his crew on this

631
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 2: new girlfriend. And I feel like Jerry's trying to sell

632
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 2: the fan base. Hey, we got a good deal here,

633
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 2: all right. Let's bring in Jane Slater from the NFL Network.

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Speaker 2: She spoke to Michah Parsons yesterday Jane in her car. Jane,

635
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Speaker 2: I imagine you've been on your phone basically all night.

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Speaker 2: This is crazy, chaotic. Just give us the latest.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, normally this wouldn't be my setup for you, Jason,

638
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 10: but I am actually here at the Star in Frisco

639
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Speaker 10: where Kenny Clark just got here.

640
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Speaker 4: So we're going to get to meet him.

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Speaker 10: We'll see him at practice for the first time, and

642
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Speaker 10: then they'll open up the locker room and we will

643
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Speaker 10: get their reaction to trading. What we all know is

644
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Speaker 10: to be a generational player, one of their biggest guide

645
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Speaker 10: on defense, and a trade they got them to first

646
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Speaker 10: round picks and the defensive tackle to help them stop

647
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Speaker 10: the run. Jason, I don't fill the need to be

648
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Speaker 10: sold by Jerry Jones on why they traded him. Covering

649
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Speaker 10: this team, I can tell you that he had gotten

650
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 10: to a point here within the last seventy two hours.

651
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 10: This was really the only direction they could go. It

652
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Speaker 10: got so messy what he has to sell me on

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Speaker 10: and what he still has to.

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Speaker 3: Sell a lot of.

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Speaker 10: Us covering the beat and that locker room is why

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Speaker 10: they did it the week before the season started. Why

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Speaker 10: they justified the trade because they needed to address their

658
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Speaker 10: run defense, something they could have addressed along with the

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Speaker 10: trade back at the end of March first of April.

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Speaker 2: Wow, I could not have said it better, James later

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Speaker 2: the Insiders on NFL Networks seven o'clock Eastern. All right, Jane,

662
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Speaker 2: so I'm just curious your initial reaction.

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Speaker 3: Like you said, this has been building. But still, you know,

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Speaker 3: the Packers haven't done a huge deal like this in

665
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Speaker 3: a while.

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Speaker 2: It's Micah did. When you first got word, were you

667
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Speaker 2: just absolutely floored.

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Speaker 4: Jerry doesn't do big deals like this.

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Speaker 10: You'd have to go all the way back to the

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Speaker 10: herschel Walker trade. And look, some people have joked out

671
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Speaker 10: there that maybe watching the Gambler inspired him to go

672
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Speaker 10: out there and wheel and deal. But the truth of

673
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 10: it is the building one here. Starting about two years ago,

674
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Speaker 10: we started hearing frustrations within the locker room. And when

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Speaker 10: I say frustrations, I don't want to sit here and

676
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 10: say that Micah Parsons is a problem player. He certainly

677
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 10: doesn't have problems off the field. It's more of In

678
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 10: talking to former coaches, one of the concerns was does

679
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 10: he love football or he does he love the idea

680
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 10: of being a football player that gets the accolades, then

681
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 10: gets the camera and the podcast, and there would be

682
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Speaker 10: frustration when they were in meeting rooms and he would

683
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Speaker 10: drift in and out. I would just gribe it as

684
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Speaker 10: just a real he needs a coaching staff that's really

685
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 10: going to dive in and invest in him.

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Speaker 4: We saw that with Dan Quinn.

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Speaker 10: We saw Mike Zimmer sort of buy in as much

688
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 10: as he could, you know, last year. But he's that

689
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 10: type of player that just requires a lot of buy

690
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Speaker 10: in and attention, and I think it started to wear

691
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Speaker 10: on the locker room.

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Speaker 4: Let me change that.

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Speaker 10: I know it wore on the locker room because in

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Speaker 10: talking to previous coaching staffs in exit interviews, there were

695
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Speaker 10: a number of players who came to them and said,

696
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Speaker 10: we have to do something about Micah. And now I've

697
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Speaker 10: argued it feels like they have a higher tolerance for

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Speaker 10: off the field issues, and so that's frustrating. But the

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Speaker 10: way that Jerry held his feet to the fire, a

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Speaker 10: twenty six year old negotiating a monster deal for the

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Speaker 10: first time, and because he wanted to rope in his agent,

702
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Speaker 10: and Jerry sat there and said he did want to

703
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 10: get a third person involved. He didn't want to renegotiate

704
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 10: this thing. That's the thing I continue to have a

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Speaker 10: problem with. I don't he's talked to players in the past.

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Speaker 10: It's just I think Micah got in a little over

707
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Speaker 10: his skis here. He thought, because of his relationship with

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Speaker 10: Jerry that they could work it out. But I think

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00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 10: this was a little in over his head, and I

710
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 10: don't think it's fair that he was punished because of that,

711
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Speaker 10: or that they let it linger. As long as they

712
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 10: did that, to me, is what hurt their team. I

713
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 10: think you could have sold a lot of us around

714
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Speaker 10: here on the trade in March April. It's just when

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Speaker 10: they did this. I think the catalyst was some of

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Speaker 10: the defensive moves from Mike and his agent this week

717
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:47,839
Speaker 10: looking for a second opinion on the back, and then

718
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Speaker 10: the filing of grievances. I think the buildings started asking themselves,

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Speaker 10: is he even going to be available to us? Is

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Speaker 10: this going to be something that lnkers and becomes a

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Speaker 10: distraction heading into the season. Remember we had Mike McCarthy

722
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Speaker 10: and his coaching staff on expiring deals last year and

723
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Speaker 10: that really did weigh heavy on the locker room. Everyone's

724
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 10: energy and their approach talking to people yesterday, it feels

725
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Speaker 10: like this gives them a little bit of a clean slate.

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00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,359
Speaker 10: I think everyone's disappointed. They're as shocked as we are

727
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 10: that this is where it got. But I think people realize,

728
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Speaker 10: especially with the training table incident on Friday, where he

729
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,320
Speaker 10: was laying on the table watching the game. It was brief,

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Speaker 10: but it was that body language that they don't want

731
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Speaker 10: from a leader and they certainly don't want to invest

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Speaker 10: in for years to come.

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Speaker 2: Wow, that is explosive stuff, Jane Slater, amazing. Let me

734
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Speaker 2: ask you who was the leader on that team and

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Speaker 2: did they try to talk to Michael Parsons Because we

736
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 2: know DeMarcus Lawrence and he had some words on social media.

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Speaker 2: But I'm just curious if anybody in the building tried

738
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Speaker 2: to get through to him during these defensive meetings where

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Speaker 2: he's doing whatever or not locked in.

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Speaker 10: Possibly, And we'll be in the locker room today when

741
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Speaker 10: can ask about that. What I will say about my

742
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 10: comparisons and what I appreciate about him. He reminds me

743
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 10: of some of the nineties players. Jay said, you know

744
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 10: the guys that have a rawness. You can't tell him nothing.

745
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:11,720
Speaker 10: I remember he was sending out a bunch of tweets

746
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Speaker 10: his rookie season, and it was, you know, getting.

747
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Speaker 4: Involved in military and politics.

748
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Speaker 10: I was like, you might want to be careful, and

749
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Speaker 10: he just stood on business. And when we asked him,

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Speaker 10: I think it was last year in the locker room

751
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Speaker 10: point Milke, I said, why aren't you here for voluntary OTAs.

752
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 10: A lot of the guys live in the area. They

753
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 10: have a really high turnout.

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Speaker 8: You know.

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Speaker 10: I know it's voluntary, but if you talk to a

756
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 10: lot of players, that's how they gel, et cetera. And

757
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 10: he said into the camera with his chest, I don't

758
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 10: get paid the sort of money some people do to

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00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 10: show up here and be at voluntary OTAs. I'm here

760
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Speaker 10: at when I'm supposed to be. So it's it was

761
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:53,439
Speaker 10: those little things that I think we're frustrating, but I'm

762
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 10: personally going to miss his rawness, his conviction, and you

763
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 10: saw it here. Think I've ever seen a player stand

764
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 10: toe to toe with Jerry Jones the way that he did.

765
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Speaker 10: I mean the fact he walked in a letter to

766
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 10: Steven Jones, looked him in the eye and said I

767
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,839
Speaker 10: want the trade, and then showed up every single day

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Speaker 10: to training camp while Jerry's up in his tower and

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Speaker 10: he's there on the sidelines, jersey over his shoulder some days,

770
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:24,359
Speaker 10: a hoodie a beanie on dealing with the Jones is

771
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 10: that takes a stomach. And that's why I say he

772
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Speaker 10: is a different dude. So I'm sure there were people

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Speaker 10: that likely spoke with Micah. But the problem is Micah

774
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 10: literally will hear you, He'll receive it. Do you think

775
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 10: he gets it other than it's you know again, I

776
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Speaker 10: just I don't think he's easily focused. Sometimes I think

777
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,359
Speaker 10: he's a type of guy you've got to keep stimulating.

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Speaker 2: Oh boy, sounds like a bit of a headache for

779
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 2: the Packers defensive coordinator, but also a headache for opposing quarterbacks.

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Speaker 2: Let me just one last question on that, like, do

781
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 2: you think this is just the modern young athlete? Is

782
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 2: this him coming up in the nisle? This is just

783
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 2: who he is? Because you know, we've heard stories about

784
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 2: other guys. Trevor Lawrence. Does he love football? Like Mike

785
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 2: has got a pretty thriving podcast, He's obviously huge on

786
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 2: social media.

787
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 3: Do you think he loves football?

788
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 2: I do?

789
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 10: I mean when you listen to him on his podcast,

790
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 10: he knows a lot about it. He's interested and he's interesting.

791
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 10: I even hate to call him. That's why I haven't

792
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 10: called him a problem player. I don't think he's a

793
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 10: problem player. I just think he needs a better fit.

794
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 10: And I truly think. You know, when we've had players

795
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 10: come here from different teams, they'll say this is playoff media.

796
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 10: You should see the amount of credential media that are

797
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 10: here today, and this is just every single day. And

798
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 10: I think when you're constantly putting a mic in people's faces,

799
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 10: I think this generation does get something from the clicks.

800
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 10: I think this generation does get something from the likes.

801
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,800
Speaker 10: And so I don't think this is unique to Micah.

802
00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 10: But I will say if I'm Micah Parsons frustrated, you know,

803
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 10: there's plenty of guys in my draft class that who've

804
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 10: gotten extensions. I am a generational type player. Other pass

805
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 10: rushers got their money. And I think he just felt

806
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 10: I know this. I'll say this, he felt manipulated and

807
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 10: taken advantage of at some point. And you know the

808
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 10: fact that he came back this week and tried to

809
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 10: get something done and Jerry told him to play on

810
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 10: the fifth year option or leave. It just tells you

811
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 10: where this thing had devolved, and I think that's unfortunate.

812
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 10: It feels after watching The Gambler a little bit like

813
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:35,439
Speaker 10: the Jerry Jimmy dynamic. You know, they they appreciate each other.

814
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 10: Maybe one day they'll get past this. But I ultimately

815
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 10: think Jerry sort of met his match here and a

816
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 10: guy that was unafraid moving away, that was different than

817
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 10: other players who have standoffs with the Joneses, but also

818
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 10: believes in himself enough and his talent that somebody was

819
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 10: going to pay him what he was asking.

820
00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:58,879
Speaker 3: All Right, we got about two minutes left.

821
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Speaker 2: Do you think we'll see a slew of hit pieces

822
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 2: here in the next I don't know, week leading up

823
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Speaker 2: to Week one? Wow, Michael Parsons, you know he was

824
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 2: a problem. He did this, he did that. Are we

825
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 2: going to see that? Is stuff gonna come out?

826
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 3: Or do you think there's just not that much ammo there?

827
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,399
Speaker 10: I don't think there's enough animal. I think what I'm

828
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,439
Speaker 10: telling you is enough of it. You know, I think

829
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 10: we've been we've been We've been sprinkling this as we've

830
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 10: talked about this over the last six months. You know,

831
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Speaker 10: it was talked about in the building under you know,

832
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 10: different coaching staffs, et cetera. And I think he especially

833
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 10: when you cover a beat, you don't want to create

834
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 10: unnecessary problems in the locker room. And so I always

835
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 10: kind of looked at it Ash. You know, it's different opinions.

836
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 10: There are big personalities in Dallas. I never thought it

837
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,879
Speaker 10: rose to the we've got a cancer in the locker room.

838
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 10: That's not how I would describe my guide. So if

839
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 10: those pieces come out, I don't think that. I don't

840
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 10: think that would be fair, and so I hope that's

841
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 10: not the case. You know, I think that Kareem Bay

842
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:00,879
Speaker 10: is going to be a really good fit for him.

843
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 10: I think going to a place where he's got a

844
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 10: familiarity with the quarterback, there's less scrutiny, and I think

845
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 10: he can get back to just focusing on football. I

846
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 10: think that'll be a good thing for him.

847
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Speaker 3: I like that.

848
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 2: Take Jane Slater, NFL Network catcher on The Insiders weeknights

849
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 2: at seven Eastern on NFL Network. Great stuff, Jane, enjoy

850
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 2: the media crush today and thanks for taking the time.

851
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 4: Thanks for having me on.

852
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, boy, Jane Slader, great stuff, Rachel. That was I

853
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 3: thought that was explosive. Some of the stuff. Shit whoooo.

854
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 3: I think we would be playing those clips here in

855
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 3: the coming hours.

856
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 6: Further evidence that maybe they should have done this this spring, right,

857
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 6: Jerry Botch, I mean.

858
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Speaker 4: If this is if this is going.

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Speaker 2: On, yeah, yeah, unbelievable.

860
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Speaker 3: We got a great show. This is fun. Two more

861
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Speaker 3: hours left.

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00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 2: My college football picks for Week one. That's next year

863
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Speaker 2: on the hurd