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Speaker 1: This is Unbreakable with Jay Glacier, a mental wealth podcast,

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Speaker 1: build you from the inside out. Now here's Jay Glacier.

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Speaker 2: Welcome into Unbreakable, a mental wealth podcast with Jay Glazer.

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Speaker 2: I'm Jay Glazer and the purpose of the podcast is

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Speaker 2: to used to be called a mental health podcast.

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Speaker 3: But if we build our mental health, I've realized that's

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Speaker 3: mental wealth. That's the key. That's what we're going for here.

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Speaker 2: So I try and bring on guests from all different

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Speaker 2: areas of life. Haven't had anybody on yet. It works

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Speaker 2: at the NHL now I'm just tying it into here

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Speaker 2: because forget the Dozeki's man.

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Speaker 3: This guy is probably the most interesting man in the world.

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Speaker 2: Is George Mumford aka the Mindfulness performance Whip her. He

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Speaker 2: has worked with the likes of the Chicago Bulls and

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Speaker 2: Michael Jordan and Phil Jackson back then and Kobe and

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Speaker 2: Shack with the Lakers as well, but also now the

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Speaker 2: Edmonton Oilers with the NHL, and I'm just fascinated by

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Speaker 2: this cat, and hey, if I can learn something from him,

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Speaker 2: we could all learn something from him.

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Speaker 3: And that's why we're here. George Steck for joining me.

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Speaker 4: Man, I appreciate that I see a hardway you have

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Speaker 4: behind you.

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Speaker 5: Man, those are two of my favorite teams.

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Speaker 3: Oh they got packers in the.

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Speaker 5: Yes, yes, you know what they are.

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Speaker 2: Actually I got People always ask me like there's autographs

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Speaker 2: on here. I've never asked for an autograph of my

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Speaker 2: entire life, but my son Sammy, when he was growing up.

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Speaker 2: I adopted my son, and so I want the greatness

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Speaker 2: cheering him on throughout his life.

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Speaker 3: So all my friends in the NFL, I got them

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Speaker 3: to sign.

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Speaker 2: Things to him, and not just a signature, but saying something,

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Speaker 2: you know, something that that could just cheer him on

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Speaker 2: for the rest of his life. Is now twenty one,

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Speaker 2: you're gonna see Arizona And we just found these in

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Speaker 2: stories recently when my wife and I moved.

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Speaker 3: So it's pretty cool to see a lot.

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Speaker 2: Of the a lot of people are still really close

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Speaker 2: close with but they've been cheering him on his whole

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Speaker 2: life as it is.

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Speaker 3: So it's pretty cool.

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Speaker 5: Well that's awesome.

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Speaker 2: So I want to get into first of all, man,

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Speaker 2: there's so many ways to start. I guess we'll start

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Speaker 2: here with the Edmonton Oilers right, Stanley Cup team right here,

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Speaker 2: you got brought in this year, but also you've done

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Speaker 2: so much in the past, kind of give us an

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Speaker 2: overview of what you do for these teams that makes

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Speaker 2: you so valuable, because I've been told that you're like

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Speaker 2: the secret weapon for all these franchises.

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Speaker 5: Yes, well, it's really simple.

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Speaker 4: I wrote two books of mind for athletes, Seek for

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Speaker 4: the Pure Performance, that came out in twenty fifteen, and

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Speaker 4: I wrote one that came out a year ago May second,

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Speaker 4: and it's titled Unlocked and Embrace your Greatness, Find the Flow,

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Speaker 4: Discover Success.

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Speaker 5: That's what I do. How I do it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, let's start with the Oilers and they'll work backwards.

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Speaker 2: We go to the Blakers and go to the Bulls

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Speaker 2: and some of the Kobe and the Michael Jordans that

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Speaker 3: Let's start with the Oilers.

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Speaker 5: Yes.

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Speaker 4: So I got approached by Jeff Jackson. He became the

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Speaker 4: and he said, you know, I've read Phil's book, you know,

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Speaker 4: Eleven Rings. And then I wrote, you, I read your book,

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Speaker 4: and it occurred to me that the Bulls were in

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Speaker 4: already won two championships when I when I, when I

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Speaker 4: had gone there, they had they had the two of

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Speaker 5: And he said, I think you can help us win

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Speaker 5: And so that's what I do.

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Speaker 4: I help people find themselves because to me, I feel

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Speaker 4: that authenticity is more important than achievement.

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Speaker 5: But when you're authentic, you achieve.

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Speaker 4: When you're being two to yourself and when you're doing

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Speaker 2: So so how are you able to again to bring

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Speaker 2: you in, Hey, you can help us win a Stanley Cup.

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Speaker 3: What's the main thing that you do? And you know,

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Speaker 3: I know it's been a whole the whole season.

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Speaker 2: Why can you teach like our listeners, but hey, this

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Speaker 3: Help?

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Speaker 5: Yes?

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Speaker 4: Well, the first thing I do is I remind people

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Speaker 4: that they have a masterpiece within that they're wide for success.

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Speaker 4: And the book called Born to Win, and they say

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Speaker 4: we were born winners. And so all I do is,

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Speaker 4: maybe it'd be easier if I just tell you what

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Speaker 4: I don't know how many years ago it could be.

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Speaker 4: Sometimes you think it's ten, and it could be fifteen,

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Speaker 4: job is to is to help people unlock it or release.

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Speaker 5: It, however you want to call it.

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Speaker 4: And the values that are at the heart of who

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Speaker 4: that's the game I'm playing. So my idea is that

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Speaker 4: you know, their their higher self, their divine spart helping

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Speaker 5: That's what I do.

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Speaker 4: And so what's the process involved in That comes down

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Speaker 4: You got to take responsibility for yourself and realize you

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Speaker 4: In other words, you are responsible and I'm teaching you

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Speaker 5: And so that's.

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Speaker 2: So is it more of listen, you're not fonding your

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Speaker 3: So I'm going to show you what your bad habits.

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Speaker 2: There are correcting that so you work harder or more selfless,

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Speaker 4: Happens is people come to me and they usually have

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Speaker 4: And it can manifest it in a variety of ways,

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Speaker 5: My basketball coach in high school said that accountants make

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Speaker 4: But after I got clean, I realized that I wanted

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Speaker 4: Then the rest of it is social awareness and relationship development.

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Speaker 5: You need you need a community, you need others. You

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Speaker 4: I'm trying to be as succinct and clear as and

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Speaker 2: I'm talking to a deplus student here. Let me try

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Speaker 5: Yes, Well, I just want to communicate.

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Speaker 4: I don't judge it, I don't say anything, but I

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Speaker 3: So when you go in, you you train the oilers.

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Speaker 3: Where is that different than if you're train a basketball team.

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Speaker 3: Just said this oiler team as opposed to.

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Speaker 4: Well it's a different context, you know, it's it's side

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Speaker 4: The main thing I learned is, you know, when you

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Speaker 5: It's just really challenging.

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Speaker 4: You got to understand, you know, the context that you're

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Speaker 2: I started a mixed martial arts training program for pro

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Speaker 4: People don't realize because it's interesting because since I got here,

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Speaker 5: It is so fast. Yeah, the game is so fast.

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Speaker 4: It's amazing that they can do what they do because

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Speaker 5: Could take it to the next level.

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Speaker 5: Really, Yes, that's that's what it was.

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Speaker 5: And what I noticed about him.

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Speaker 5: I'll just say I roomed with doctor Jay in college.

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Speaker 2: I said, you're the most interesting man in the world.

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Speaker 5: It was no difference.

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Speaker 4: I was explaining to him because sometimes we do things,

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Speaker 5: Does that make sense?

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Speaker 2: where somebody asked if he was nervous to take.

443
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Speaker 3: A shot and he's like, why I haven't taken the

444
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Speaker 3: shot yet, or he's nervous to miss, right, And he's like, yeah,

445
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Speaker 3: why do I nervous? I haven't taken the shot.

446
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Speaker 2: Yet, yes, which is kind of exactly what you're talking

447
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Speaker 2: about being a moment.

448
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Speaker 3: You don't worry about something in the future.

449
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Speaker 5: And he talked about it.

450
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Speaker 4: He said, when the moment comes, you know, you know

451
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Speaker 4: what's going to happen, and things get quiet, and he

452
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Speaker 4: was talking about being on his own and being in

453
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Speaker 4: flow and that's it. You know, you're not even in

454
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Speaker 4: there and you're doing stuff and it's so creative. So

455
00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:06,600
Speaker 4: the thing he embodied what I talk about, and it's

456
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Speaker 4: really important, the silence or the stillness, that quiet place

457
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Speaker 4: within Kimpbell talked about in the Power of Myth. He says,

458
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Speaker 4: when the athlete is in championship, for him, that coming

459
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Speaker 4: from their center, from that quietness, from that silence, and

460
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Speaker 4: you're not compelled by fear of desire, you're just expressing yourself.

461
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Speaker 4: But when you come from that space, there's a creativity

462
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Speaker 4: and there's a wisdom or intuition that comes.

463
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Speaker 5: Out of that that you don't even know how it's

464
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Speaker 5: going to manifest. That's what makes it so exciting. When

465
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Speaker 5: I go back, I'll connect with doctor Jay with this.

466
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Speaker 4: When I was rooming with Julius, it was his junior year,

467
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Speaker 4: my sophomore year and he had signed with the ABA

468
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Speaker 4: with the Virginia Schoirs, and after he signed, he had

469
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Speaker 4: an old Chevy. I forget what kind of chev it was.

470
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Speaker 4: We drove for his first semi pro game. It was

471
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Speaker 4: in port Chester, New York. We were in Amherst, mass

472
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Speaker 4: So we drove to the game and he's playing against

473
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Speaker 4: these older guys. They got popped bellies and everything, and

474
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Speaker 4: they could play. And all of a sudden, I seen

475
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Speaker 4: him playing. And you got to understand when he played

476
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Speaker 4: in the college game because of Kareem, they outlawed Duncan,

477
00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:13,960
Speaker 4: so you couldn't stuff the ball in a regular game.

478
00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:16,120
Speaker 4: You're doing in the warm, but not in the regular game.

479
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Speaker 4: So all of a sudden he has to freedom. And

480
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Speaker 4: although that was two years or whatever, it's not paying

481
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Speaker 4: the dunk. He was making stuff up. And I'm looking

482
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Speaker 4: at Hi because I was watching practice every day we

483
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Speaker 4: play together and everything, and I'm saying, man, he's making stuff.

484
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Speaker 4: Fuck he was oh, and I laughed. But it's not

485
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Speaker 4: like he's not trying it. But you can see he

486
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Speaker 4: was in the very zone. He was in the flow,

487
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Speaker 4: and he was he was like a ballet dancer. He

488
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Speaker 4: was doing it with so much great deeds and with

489
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Speaker 4: power and so I've been privileged to be able to

490
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Speaker 4: see him come out in his first varsity game I saw.

491
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Speaker 5: I think he had thirty two points and twenty eight rebounds.

492
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Speaker 3: Wow.

493
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Speaker 4: He was one of the few at that time there

494
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Speaker 4: were three players that averaged twenty twenty one points and

495
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Speaker 4: reboumbs in college game.

496
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Speaker 3: Did you know him before entered?

497
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Speaker 2: You guys just did the universe just put you guys

498
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Speaker 2: together in college roommates?

499
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Speaker 5: Yeah? Well, we had we had friends, We used to

500
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Speaker 5: play pick up together.

501
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Speaker 4: We decided we were gonna, oh, you know, one of

502
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Speaker 4: our friends, Hermann, was head of residence, so he put

503
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Speaker 4: us all on the same floor and he put me

504
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Speaker 4: in doctor together, and so I had planning on playing

505
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Speaker 4: for the team, you know, but I got injured and that.

506
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Speaker 5: Was the end of my career.

507
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Speaker 4: But I still was involved in the team when we

508
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Speaker 4: had recruits come in and whatnot, I was still involved

509
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Speaker 4: in it. And then my other room mate, Alex Kinner came,

510
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Speaker 4: He was a year behind, and he was there, and

511
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Speaker 4: you know, Rick Patino was there when I was there.

512
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Speaker 5: So there were a lot of folks there at U

513
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Speaker 5: MASS when I was there.

514
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Speaker 2: And to help a guy like here, maturity there's somebody

515
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Speaker 2: get in that zone and get everything calm to have

516
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Speaker 2: that common cast.

517
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Speaker 3: Is there a breath work that you teach them.

518
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Speaker 2: Is there another form of mindfulness like a quick meditation

519
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Speaker 2: you teach them.

520
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Speaker 3: Fill me in on that.

521
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Speaker 4: Yes, well, there's various approaches to it. You know, there's

522
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Speaker 4: the Zen approach, there's a TM approach. Is all of

523
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Speaker 4: these approaches. I tend to focus on just focusing on

524
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Speaker 4: the breath and breathing, but it's really more about how

525
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Speaker 4: do you know if you you know? And it's interesting

526
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Speaker 4: because I'm not really making it up. If you think

527
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Speaker 4: about the nervous system, you have the sympathetic and the

528
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Speaker 4: power sympathetic. So on one side the left brain I'm

529
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Speaker 4: right hand, and so the left brain would be you

530
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Speaker 4: know linear, you know, that's where the fight, flight, the

531
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Speaker 4: freeze happens. And then the right brain is you know,

532
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Speaker 4: one plus one doesn't equal to one plus one could

533
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Speaker 4: equal six, but it's a nonlinear, and it's what they

534
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Speaker 4: call the rest and digest.

535
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Speaker 5: See.

536
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Speaker 4: So when you're when you're in that, you know, when

537
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Speaker 4: you're in the power sympathetic and you have the sympathetic,

538
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Speaker 4: but the sympathetic dominates it dominates everything one plus one

539
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Speaker 4: equals to the words of the song.

540
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Speaker 5: It dominates.

541
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Speaker 4: And unless you can get into what what Herbert Mention

542
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Speaker 4: called the relaxation response, where you're able to the rest

543
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Speaker 4: and digest, where you're able to stop this from dominating

544
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Speaker 4: and let the other side get in like the melody

545
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Speaker 4: of the song, the whole picture. So you have to

546
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Speaker 4: side of your brain because they're not like fifty to

547
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Speaker 4: fifty that you know, they interact and it's like those

548
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,920
Speaker 4: cot jorining circles and whatnot. But you have to learn

549
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:10,679
Speaker 4: how to self regulate. You have to learn how to

550
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Speaker 4: raise your energy, which would be the linear brain, and

551
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Speaker 4: you know, increase your intensity and at the same time

552
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:18,479
Speaker 4: you got to be able to lower it. You got

553
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Speaker 4: to be able to be in that that calm, that

554
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Speaker 4: that that quiet place.

555
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 5: So you need to do both. You know, there's a time.

556
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Speaker 4: So that's self regulation is you got to meet the

557
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Speaker 4: intensity of whatever it is the challenge you have in

558
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Speaker 4: front of you. But at the same time, if you

559
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Speaker 4: do it too fast and you get frenetic, that's not

560
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Speaker 4: going to get it done either. It's like if I

561
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:39,159
Speaker 4: think about if you play a string instrument, a guitar

562
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Speaker 4: or violin. If you if the string is too tight,

563
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,120
Speaker 4: you won't get the right note, and if it's too loose,

564
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Speaker 4: you won't get the right note.

565
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Speaker 5: You got to just balance it just right. Does that

566
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Speaker 5: make sense?

567
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Speaker 3: Yeah? Love that. Yeah.

568
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Speaker 5: So it's it's it's so the techniques.

569
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Speaker 4: I have a big tool bag of how I draw

570
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Speaker 4: on what to do, but really it comes down to

571
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Speaker 4: how to get you, you know, to understand that you

572
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 4: have autonomy to some degree that you can direct your

573
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Speaker 4: attention to something, to a thought, to an object, and

574
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Speaker 4: how do you direct it and sustain the attention?

575
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Speaker 5: How do you deal with distractions?

576
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 4: And how can you stay in the moment and not

577
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Speaker 4: get pulled back into the past or push the head

578
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Speaker 4: into the future.

579
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Speaker 5: You have to be able to be moment to moment,

580
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Speaker 5: be in a moment.

581
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Speaker 4: And you got to have strategies and you have to

582
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Speaker 4: have the awareness that know, okay, I'm still in the

583
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 4: last play that occurred instead of.

584
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Speaker 5: Being in the moment.

585
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Speaker 4: And it's interesting, I was watching this the NCAA's and

586
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Speaker 4: it was fast walking or something and this woman she

587
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,159
Speaker 4: was in front, young lady, she was in front, and

588
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 4: she was getting close to the finish line, and she

589
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Speaker 4: started celebrating, and she started stating the person next to her,

590
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Speaker 4: just one. That's what I'm talking about. You can it

591
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 4: doesn't have to be just fear or frustration. You can

592
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Speaker 4: get pulled away violation or joy and forget lose yourself

593
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Speaker 4: and focus on how you're doing and not stay focused

594
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Speaker 4: on what you're doing. So this ability to do erecting

595
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 4: and sustained attention, that's what differential genius is from other

596
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,159
Speaker 4: people because they know what the focus on and they

597
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Speaker 4: know how to sustain it.

598
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

599
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Speaker 2: Look, you have a bunch quotes I love, but one

600
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 2: really love. His success is ninety nine percent failure.

601
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Speaker 3: I love it. Yeah, I love that.

602
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Speaker 2: Love that people don't understand the gift that indversity is.

603
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Speaker 2: But like that woman, now, like Garte, she's gonna grow

604
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Speaker 2: from that.

605
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, well it's gonna and you know, and the

606
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 4: interesting thing is it's possible that that little growth, that

607
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,119
Speaker 4: that mistake she made could level up to win the

608
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Speaker 4: next three four races.

609
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Speaker 3: Right, exactly sucks at the time, but could really.

610
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Speaker 2: Like it sucked for Michael Jordan to get based in

611
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:41,120
Speaker 2: high school at the time, but look what it different. Right,

612
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Speaker 2: So we talked about Jordan. We talked about the Whilers.

613
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Speaker 2: Tell me about Kobe working with Kobe.

614
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Speaker 5: And yeah, well I learned from Kobe.

615
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Speaker 4: It's interesting because when I first met him, well, you know,

616
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Speaker 4: i've met him before, I work with him with the Lakers,

617
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Speaker 4: but when he was in Lakers it was two thousand,

618
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Speaker 4: I read I write about this in my book The

619
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Speaker 4: Mindful Athlete, as well as Unmarked. It was at one

620
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Speaker 4: game in two thousand, my first year working with them,

621
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Speaker 4: and Kobe was like he had this intensity and it

622
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 4: was like he was trying to score thirty two points

623
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Speaker 4: or thirty five points in one shot, right, So he

624
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 4: was really like really going after it. And if you

625
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 4: think about it, let's say he wants to average thirty

626
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 4: two points, get thirty two points that game. So from

627
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,640
Speaker 4: a linear point of view, you're going to say eight

628
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 4: times four that's thirty two. So each quarter, I just

629
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 4: have to score eight points. And so the problem challenge

630
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 4: with that is if you only score four points in

631
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 4: the first quarter, then you go into the second quarter

632
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 4: you feel like you.

633
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,120
Speaker 5: Got to I'm pressed for twelve and you're pressing.

634
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Speaker 4: And so what I said to him, I gave him

635
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 4: a Zenko on really I said, Kobe, the best way

636
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,639
Speaker 4: to score is not to try to score, you know,

637
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 4: just in other words, I was saying.

638
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Speaker 3: Because look like you were crazy on Saturday again.

639
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 5: It Yeah, he got it.

640
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,159
Speaker 4: And back in twenty fifteen when he invited me to

641
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 4: go hang out with him, I asked him about it.

642
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 5: He remembered everything that was amazinging. He remember every damn

643
00:27:58,280 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 5: thing I told him.

644
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,159
Speaker 4: He has like these memories that can retain that stuff.

645
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 4: So he had sixteen points in the first quarter.

646
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 3: Wow.

647
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Speaker 5: So this is what unlocked means.

648
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 4: It means that, see, you can be so hyper focused

649
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 4: on something that you're just focused on that and you

650
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,400
Speaker 4: don't see all the opportunities that are there because you're

651
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,400
Speaker 4: looking for the opportunity and instead of letting the opportunities

652
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 4: speak to you. And that's what mindfulness is about seeing

653
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:23,919
Speaker 4: things in new, fresh ways and staying open but receptive

654
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 4: because the moment is pregnant with possibility, this moment, and

655
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:30,439
Speaker 4: so we have to be able to see things in

656
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 4: new and different ways and stay open for the possibilities

657
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 4: that we might miss because we're looking for something instead

658
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Speaker 4: of letting the situation communicate to us.

659
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Speaker 3: Jo he learned from you what'd you learn from him?

660
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Speaker 3: Be around him?

661
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Speaker 5: Well, the same thing I taught him is what I

662
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 5: learned him.

663
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 4: But what I learned about him was his ability to

664
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 4: be comfortable being uncomfortable and pushing and doing things. And

665
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 4: when you know, that's where the Mama mentality came from.

666
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 4: But I had that mentality myself because you know, I'm

667
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 4: you know, I do things like that.

668
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 5: You know, I lived in a meditation.

669
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 4: Center for six years and still worked and everything, and

670
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 4: that it was a class that I would attend, and

671
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 4: I attended that class for six years every Tuesday.

672
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 5: I mean that kind of you know people who does that,

673
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 5: you know, And I think that's what I did. But

674
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 5: it was because I.

675
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 4: Was pursuing excellence in wisdom, man, And I didn't even know.

676
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 4: I just it was just an impulse. Like one of

677
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 4: the things that I did was, you know, I'm coming

678
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 4: up on forty years of sobriety July thirtieth.

679
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 3: For you, man, that's great.

680
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 4: I've averaged over a week for those entire forty years. Really,

681
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 4: that's what I mean. So that's why we got along

682
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:41,719
Speaker 4: because I had the momentmentality. I just didn't know what

683
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 4: to call it. I was just you know, but I'm intense, right,

684
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 4: But I learned that from him, that, you know, just

685
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 4: being able to share your experience with people, but enjoying,

686
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 4: you know, getting comfortable being uncomfortable. He loved working out,

687
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 4: He loved learning from from his mistakes, which is a

688
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 4: growth mindset, you know, what's the lesson and sharing it

689
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 4: with somebody the other day. Is first, one of his

690
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,959
Speaker 4: first playoff experiences, he shot like three or four airballs

691
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 4: and so when he went back home to Newport Beach,

692
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 4: I don't know, only Kobe could do this. He called

693
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 4: the custodian and told him to open up the gym

694
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 4: and then he shot for like eight hours.

695
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 3: Wow.

696
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 5: Really, yes, So that's what I'm talking about.

697
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 4: So for him, he taught me the tenacity and this

698
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 4: ability if you want something, you go after it, and

699
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 4: you don't mind cold calling somebody because when you want something,

700
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 4: you just you just go for it, you know. So

701
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 4: he taught me a lot, but it really it was his.

702
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 4: And for a long time I used to say, well,

703
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 4: he's the closest thing to Michael Jordan because I got

704
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 4: to work with both of them. But then at some

705
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 4: point when he had injured his finger and he changed

706
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 4: the shot and he didn't miss a day.

707
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 5: That's what I said. Kobe is Kobe. I don't have

708
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 5: to compare him to MJ anymore because he earned his stripes.

709
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 5: But it's the adversity you notice.

710
00:30:55,560 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 4: The comments is overcoming the adversity and choosing to level

711
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 4: up from it, choosing to embrace it. So I say,

712
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,239
Speaker 4: no struggle, no swag. So if somebody has swagged, they

713
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 4: had struggle. You don't get struggles because you got to

714
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 4: earn that. You don't get swagged by just showing up

715
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 4: and saying, Okay, everything's cool and easy. No, you got

716
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 4: to have some adversity you got to go through. You

717
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 4: got to get comfortable with being uncomfortable. Otherwise you won't

718
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 4: get challenging, you won't get you know, your latent abilities

719
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 4: won't express themselves.

720
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 3: George, I love this conversation, man, I got two more

721
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 3: for him. Shock's a good friend of mine. Tell your

722
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 3: experience with him.

723
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 5: Shack is Shack is Shack. It would be like you

724
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 5: know we talking about like he would say to me.

725
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 4: One of the first conversations we had, he said, do

726
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 4: you want me to tell you what you want to hear?

727
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 5: You want the truth because that sound like.

728
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 4: Him or not absolutely, And I said, I want the truth,

729
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 4: and so, yeah, so we used to have great conversations

730
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 4: and yeah, I mean he's like, he's a very compassionate,

731
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 4: generous and feisty, you know, because he used to get

732
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 4: beat up. I mean, people don't realize you talk about

733
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 4: all the other big men. I don't know if there's

734
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 4: ever been a big man like him where he was

735
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 4: getting fouled by five guys and they only called following one.

736
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 5: You know, think about it, you know.

737
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 4: And and so I think the other guys like Will

738
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 4: I think people might have been afraid to follow him whatever, or.

739
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 5: They didn't play like that back then. You know, it

740
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 5: was you know, one on one or whatever.

741
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 4: But when he played, he used to get beat up

742
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 4: all the time, and he would just tolerate it and

743
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 4: you know, and dominate.

744
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 3: George.

745
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 2: My last question for you, man, I asked every one

746
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 2: of my guest this, give me your unbreakable moment, that

747
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 2: moment that should have broken you could have and didn't,

748
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 2: and as.

749
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 3: A result, you came through the other side of that

750
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 3: tunnel stronger forever.

751
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 2: It's exactly what you're talking about, adversity being a gift

752
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 2: biggest adversity that made you as strong as you are today.

753
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 4: Yes, dealing with my addiction obviously, you know, being addicted

754
00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 4: and feeling like.

755
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 5: You know, I was going to die and that I was.

756
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 4: Destined for jail's institution and death. And I had just

757
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 4: I had a strep infection. So I was in the

758
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 4: hospital for a couple for a week or so, and

759
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 4: the doctor was telling me I was going to die

760
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 4: unless I had changed, and I was a functional somethings music.

761
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 4: So it was April first, and one of the guys

762
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 4: I usually hang out with when.

763
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 5: Of my friend, Danny, came by my house and took

764
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 5: me to an AA meeting, and April Food took me

765
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 5: to the AA meeting.

766
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 4: I couldn't even stay in the meeting the whole time,

767
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 4: but I didn't think there was a way out until

768
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 4: I saw somebody who was just like me, sober and clean.

769
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 5: That was that was that changed everything.

770
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 3: Really beautiful.

771
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 2: I appreciate that, man, I'm really man, I'm so glad

772
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 2: you and I connected.

773
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 3: So glad we linked up and you're in LA. Next time,

774
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 3: I would love to take you out to dinner man,

775
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 3: a little bread.

776
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, So let's do that because I usually spend about

777
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 4: fifty days a year there, right, let's talk about it.

778
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 4: And we got a lot in common because you know,

779
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 4: I studied tight chief for many years and I've been

780
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 4: really having that martial art artist attitude and you know,

781
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 4: work ethic and the zen that's how I got it.

782
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 5: You know, there's in and all that sort of sort

783
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 5: of stuff.

784
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 4: Like I actually went to Hong Kong back in the

785
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 4: nineties and I felt like I was at home. Man,

786
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 4: between my meditation taichi being out there doing my Thai

787
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 4: chi and Chee hung and stuff. It was like, wow, man,

788
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 4: it was really but I really I realized that it

789
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 4: wasn't just because I was in the Orient. It was

790
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 4: because I got to a place where I realized the

791
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:32,919
Speaker 4: home is where the heart is wherever I am there,

792
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 4: I am.

793
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love it.

794
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 2: I spent the last two off season Thailand, same thing,

795
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 2: praying the jungles man, I, oh my god, and I

796
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,760
Speaker 2: and that's actually I learned breath work out there, meditation

797
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:45,320
Speaker 2: and gratitude lists.

798
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 3: And you're right that that is my happy place.

799
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 4: Because yeah, yeah, this's ty Forest Masters that I learned

800
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:53,359
Speaker 4: a lot of meditation from.

801
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, hey, I'll tell you it's real quick before

802
00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 2: we go, I'll let you go if I walk in

803
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,240
Speaker 2: this place. It's called Common Alliance and Coasta movie Thailand,

804
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,879
Speaker 2: and I'm doing my first ever meditation and somebody try

805
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 2: to get me to learn transidental meditation.

806
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 3: I do a lot of work with.

807
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:12,439
Speaker 2: Vets, and I am really I'm a high strung cat dude,

808
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 2: and I'm usually aggressive. And the guy gave him my

809
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 2: mantra and I did it for the first couple of times,

810
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 2: and then I didn't like it, and he told me, well,

811
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 2: you can't change it.

812
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 3: It chose you. And that wasn't a good answer for me,

813
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 3: so I started geting frustrated.

814
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 2: Then I wanted to choke out my meditation guy, and

815
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,240
Speaker 2: so my other friends like, you need to learn.

816
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:32,280
Speaker 3: How to meditate it there's anybody.

817
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 2: So I go out there and we're in this like

818
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 2: hutment over the CMC and there's about eight other people

819
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 2: of the class, and this.

820
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 3: Time Monk was teaching us breath work. Looks at me.

821
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:43,359
Speaker 3: I've only been there like one.

822
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 2: I got in late the night before, so it's the

823
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 2: first time I met with everybody else.

824
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 3: As time, Monk looks at me and he goes ooh,

825
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 3: you got to learn how to love yourself up. You

826
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 3: got to learn that. I thought he was talking to

827
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 3: someone else. Now he's talking to this poor bastard right here.

828
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 3: So it's changed my life. But I've learned it in

829
00:35:58,520 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 3: a later stage and I'm glad I have.

830
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's it's interesting because I don't know if

831
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 4: I could find it. It's something about you know, you

832
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 4: get the place and you it gets all comfortable.

833
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:11,399
Speaker 5: You want to give up.

834
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 4: And when you get to that place, that that wall,

835
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 4: you know where you can't if we call a bottom,

836
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 4: you can't keep going and can't stop. That's when you

837
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 4: know you're going someplace. Now you know you're getting to

838
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 4: the actual work. Because a lot of people stopped meditating

839
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,359
Speaker 4: because they see that their mind is crazy and they say,

840
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,839
Speaker 4: I can't do this. But actuality it's not about doing,

841
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,839
Speaker 4: it's about being. You're seeing how your mind is, and

842
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 4: by looking at it from a from a quantum physics

843
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 4: point of view, you know the observer and the observer

844
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:42,280
Speaker 4: are interacting. So when you start to investigate and examine

845
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 4: how you're living, you actually change your experience.

846
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 5: That's a good one.

847
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:47,439
Speaker 3: Huh, that's a great one.

848
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 2: And I know what you're saying, because now that I

849
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 2: do meditate, Yeah, it was Look, you got my level

850
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 2: of ADHD. It's hard to sit there and meditate and

851
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 2: and unplugging, get like, get to that place.

852
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 3: Man. When you get there, it's it's beautiful. I did

853
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 3: three day one in Thailand to change my life.

854
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 5: There's a philosopher. Two of them my guests, doctor Dre

855
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 5: and Sloop Dogg. I got my mind on money, money

856
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 5: on my mind. That's meditation.

857
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 4: See, because to meditate means to contemplate, and the contemplate

858
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 4: means to look at repeatedly and look at closely. So

859
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 4: we have this idea that we're only meditating with this,

860
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 4: but I would suggest that you become what you think

861
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 4: about what you hold in mind.

862
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 5: Manifests and most of us don't know what we're thinking

863
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:28,800
Speaker 5: or what we're holding in mind.

864
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 4: So a former contemplation is you don't have to be

865
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 4: solid and quiet. You can just reflect on you know

866
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 4: what you're thinking, what is your your self talk? Is

867
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 4: it positive as a negative? You know what is what's

868
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 4: on your mind? And I can guarantee you you're like

869
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 4: probably the rest of us if you happen to have

870
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 4: a conversation different with a difficult person and you're having

871
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 4: a conversation with them and they're not there. That's my

872
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 4: conversation with myself, yeself talking and you're telling you how

873
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 4: it's going to go wrong and how they're not going

874
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 4: to listen to you, And that's exactly what happens when

875
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,959
Speaker 4: you see them out just out of curiosity. Try having

876
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 4: a conversation where you actually can communicate with each other

877
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 4: in yourself. Doctor, see what happened.

878
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 3: So what I do now, tell me is along the

879
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 3: right lines.

880
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 2: So I'll meditate now where I'll only concentrate on my

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Speaker 2: accounts of my breath, nothing else.

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Speaker 3: So I got for everything else just that right, so

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Speaker 3: I gave everything else a break.

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Speaker 2: Then I'll meditate and I'll just meditate on things I'm

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Speaker 2: grateful for, nothing else.

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Speaker 3: So I usually do it for a song. I'll play

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Speaker 3: a song, so five minutes teach, and then the last

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Speaker 3: one is things.

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Speaker 2: I'm proud of, because it's being proud of yourself. People

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Speaker 2: don't realize you got to practice that. You gotta work

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Speaker 2: in a lot of people like to put themselves down.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people really, you know, shit all over themselves.

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Speaker 2: You got practice giving yourself some grace and being proud

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Speaker 2: or it's not enough for you know, people are like,

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Speaker 2: oh it's not enough for I did this, but that

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Speaker 2: person did that, right.

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Speaker 3: So that's what that's my morning meditation every day.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that you know what I call that practice catch

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Speaker 4: yourself with somebody else doing something right.

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Speaker 5: See, that's it because.

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Speaker 4: We but let's talk about it and I'll leave you

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Speaker 4: with this. The reptilian brain, you know what it does.

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Speaker 4: Its job is to seek out danger. So nine out

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Speaker 4: of ten thoughts are going to be negative, and so

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Speaker 4: we got to get the positivity. So we got to

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Speaker 4: get the three to one ratio. Three positive thoughts are

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Speaker 4: one negative thought. And the only way you're going to

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Speaker 4: do that is through gratitude practice, forgiveness and just focusing

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Speaker 4: on what's right, focusing on what you want. And it's

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Speaker 4: interesting because we don't do that. We're kind of wired

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Speaker 4: to look at, you know, pathology. Our whole society is

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Speaker 4: based on pathology instead of really that they called the

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Speaker 4: broad and built theory. When you can get yourself at positive,

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Speaker 4: it totally changes everything. And so so the gratitude practice.

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Speaker 4: An interesting thing about gratitude practice or being proud you're

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Speaker 4: reflecting on things that already happen. That's a good one.

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Speaker 4: What might happen is already happen.

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Speaker 3: So I'm taking away the fear of the unknown year

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Speaker 3: of the future.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and again, like I said, I spent too many

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Speaker 2: years beating ump by myself, so now it's time to

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Speaker 2: fill that jug up.

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Speaker 5: Well.

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Speaker 4: I appreciate you, man, I appreciate you making that too

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Speaker 4: transformation because you know why, because that's gonna ripple into

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Speaker 4: everything you do and you're gonna be modeling what people can.

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Speaker 5: Do to be at peace.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate it so much, man, you were This is fantastic.

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Speaker 2: I'm I'm so looking.

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Speaker 5: Forward to breaking bed with you, man, and we're going

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Speaker 5: to hang brother.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, George Muntfort, Thank you joining us here in

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Speaker 2: the Unbreakable Podcast.