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Speaker 1: dot com. Good morning, everybody, Happy Monday. We have an

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Speaker 1: extraordinary show for everybody today. We're largely going to be

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Speaker 1: focusing with the conflict of Israel and Iran our involvement.

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Speaker 1: We've got a lot of guests here in the show.

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Speaker 3: So what do we have today?

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Speaker 2: Go Yeah, We're going to look at this from every angle.

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Speaker 2: We're going to break down for you the very latest.

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Speaker 2: There was some significant strikes inside of Israel yesterday. We'll

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Speaker 2: show you some of that damage and what we can

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Speaker 2: say about where we are with regard to the conflict.

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Speaker 2: Very late latest in terms of statements from Trump. We're

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Speaker 2: also going to have Dave Smith join us for a

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Speaker 2: couple of blocks to talk about the possibility that this

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Speaker 2: is not just about Iran's nuclear program, that this is

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Speaker 2: in out and out regime change program. You've got a

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Speaker 2: number of members of Congress, Republican members of Congress calling

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Speaker 2: for precisely fat We're also going to look at the

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Speaker 2: likelihood or potential that the US, which is already supporting

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Speaker 2: be very fortunate to be joined by Dan Caldwell. Now,

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Speaker 2: Dan was previously at the Pentagon under Pete Hegseth. He

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Speaker 2: was pushed down under extraordinary circumstances, but he is a

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Speaker 2: true insider, you know, would have a lot of insight

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Speaker 2: negotiations with Iran. I want to talk to him about

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Speaker 2: you know, we now have reporting that at least some

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Speaker 2: that been a ruse? Were they serious? About it at all,

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Speaker 2: So there's a lot we want to get to. I

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Speaker 2: also want to ask him about some of that internal

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Speaker 2: a look at some of the MAGA infighting and reaction

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Speaker 2: and also have a great clip from Tim Dillan a

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, here, yeah, levity.

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Speaker 1: But you know, one of the important things about pop

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Speaker 1: forget exactly before we get to that. Thank you everybody.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, one quick update before we jump in. One other

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Speaker 4: You can see some direct strikes here.

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Speaker 2: Obviously they have iron dome and dome and other ways

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Speaker 2: However, there have been some significant strikes within Israel. Let's

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Speaker 5: The Iranians have responded with three waves of ballistic missiles.

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Speaker 2: And so so clearly Simon I'm not too happy about

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Speaker 4: They really want, which is regime change.

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Speaker 2: And make no doubt about it when you look at

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Speaker 2: Here to the point of the fact that we've got

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Speaker 5: What we are seeing today Israel has never faced in

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Speaker 5: You raise an important point. This is a shared gas field.

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Speaker 2: And we're already seeing some of that energy infrastructure targeted

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Speaker 2: That's important to take it. Pay a lot, take a

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Speaker 1: Right, you can. You can blame Donald Trump and bb

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Speaker 2: sixty day ultimatum to make a deal. They should have

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Speaker 2: done it. Today is day sixty one. I told them

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Speaker 2: what to do. They just couldn't get there. Now they

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Speaker 2: have perhaps a second chance. Another commentary, he was saying that,

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Speaker 2: you know, the people, he was bragging about the fact

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Speaker 2: that the people they were negotiating with are now dead,

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Speaker 2: so taking absolute credit being delighted by the outcome year

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Speaker 2: and making it quite clear how involved we were in

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Speaker 2: the strikes. And then we have other comments from him

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Speaker 2: as well as put the next one up on the screen.

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Speaker 4: Here.

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Speaker 2: Now he's saying Iran and Israel should make a deal

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Speaker 2: and will make a deal, just like I got Indian

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Speaker 2: Pakistan to make. I mean, if you think that is

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Speaker 2: going to be easy, you're an absolute fool. At this point,

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Speaker 2: let's put the next one up on the screen. You

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Speaker 2: have him saying, now the US had nothing to do

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Speaker 2: with the attack on Iran tonight, like you already said, oh,

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Speaker 2: this was day sixty one and that's why this was happening.

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Speaker 2: Now you already celebrated it, and now you want to

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Speaker 2: pretend like you had nothing to do with it. Okay,

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Speaker 2: let's go ahead and the next take a look at

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Speaker 2: the next thing.

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Speaker 4: He had a call with President Putin.

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Speaker 2: He said, he called this morning to very nicely wish

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Speaker 2: me a happy birthday and more importantly talk about Iran.

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Speaker 2: We talked at length. Much less time was spent talking

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Speaker 2: about Russia Ukraine. That'll be for next week. He's doing

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Speaker 2: the planned prisoner swaps. The call lasted an hour. He feels,

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Speaker 2: as I do, this war in Israel and Iran should end,

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Speaker 2: to which I explained his war should also and Sager

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Speaker 2: before we get to to Dave Smith. I mean, it

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Speaker 2: looks like there are two possible outcomes here. One is

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Speaker 2: Trump forces this to stop, which of course he has

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Speaker 2: the capability to. Hey, we're not going to protect you.

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Speaker 2: You're going to have to actually bear the consequences Israel if.

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Speaker 1: You're at I know, not only that, and we're not

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Speaker 1: going to sell you the munition We're not going to see.

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Speaker 1: By Trump's own admission, there are bombs, as he bragged

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Speaker 1: about in his truth social posts, just so everybody knows exactly.

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Speaker 1: They don't make any bad missile defense system in Israel.

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Speaker 1: How's your David Sling working out for you? If it

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Speaker 1: weren't for the full force of the US Empire, Tel

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Speaker 1: Aviv would be freaking rocked way more than it is

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Speaker 1: right now.

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Speaker 2: So he either makes this end or we're getting pulled in.

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Speaker 2: I mean, those are the those are the two directions

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Speaker 2: that we could go in. So With that being said,

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Speaker 2: let's go ahead and bring in Dave Smith to get

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Speaker 2: his reaction to the latest.

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Speaker 1: We're very excited now to be joined by friend of

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Speaker 1: the show, Dave Smith. We're going to be talking about

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Speaker 1: the fallout here from the US involvement in the war

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Speaker 1: between Israel and Iran. But most importantly we want to

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Speaker 1: get to the actual goal here of the Israeli military campaign.

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Speaker 1: Prime Minister Bibi Netanyahu really giving the game away yesterday

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Speaker 1: in an interview with Fox News where he calls for

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Speaker 1: regime change with Iran. Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 3: So is regime change part of the effort here?

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Speaker 6: Could certainly be the result because the Iran regime is

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Speaker 6: very weak. I think it's basically left with two things.

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Speaker 6: It's plans to have atomic bombs and ballistic missiles. That's

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Speaker 6: basically what Iran has. They certainly don't have the peap

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Speaker 6: eighty percent of the people will throw these theological thugs out.

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Speaker 6: I mean they murder them, they oppress them for forty

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Speaker 6: six years. They've yearned for freedom. I mean they shoot

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Speaker 6: women because their hair is uncovered, they shoot students. They

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Speaker 6: just suck the oxygen from this brave and gifted people,

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Speaker 6: the Iranian people.

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Speaker 7: I want to talk about the nuclear threat and I

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Speaker 7: want to talk about President Trump. You just said Iron

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Speaker 7: tried to assassinate President Trump twice. Do you have intel

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Speaker 7: that the assassination attempts on President Trump were directly from Iran.

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Speaker 6: Through proxies, Yes, through their intel. Yes, they want to

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Speaker 6: kill and look, he's enemy number one. He's a decisive leader.

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Speaker 6: He never took the path that others took to try

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Speaker 6: to bargain with them in a way that is weak,

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Speaker 6: giving them, giving them basically a pathway to a rich uranium,

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Speaker 6: which means a pathway to the bomb, patting it with

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Speaker 6: billions and billions of dollars. He took up his fake

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Speaker 6: agreement and basically tore it up. He killed the cast

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Speaker 6: suler money. He said, made it very clear, including now

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Speaker 6: you cannot have a nuclear weapon, which means you cannot

518
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Speaker 6: en which he's been very forceful. So for them, he's

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Speaker 6: he's enemy number one. Yeah, look there who tried to

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Speaker 6: kill me. But I'm his junior partner. You understand that

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Speaker 6: President Trump is a great threat to Ron's plans to

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Speaker 6: weaponize nuclear weapons and use them.

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Speaker 7: When did you tell President Trump you were going to

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Speaker 7: launch these strikes.

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Speaker 6: Look, I've been in contents, in constant contact with President Trump.

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Speaker 6: We've known each other for many years, and obviously we

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Speaker 6: informed our American friends and President Trump, our great friend,

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Speaker 6: ahead of time. Did he knew about it, of course.

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Speaker 7: I mean there were reports that President Trump kind of

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Speaker 7: helped you achieve your strategic surprise by publica or urging

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Speaker 7: you not to attack when he already knew you had

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Speaker 7: decided to do it. So you were closely coordinating with

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Speaker 7: the US throughout this process.

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Speaker 6: Look, we're fully coordinated. But understand that America under President

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Speaker 6: Trump will make President Trump will make the decisions that

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Speaker 6: are best for America. And that's the way it is.

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Speaker 6: He understands that I, as the Prime Minister of Israel,

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Speaker 6: the one and only Jewish state, must make the decisions

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Speaker 6: that are important for the survival of my country, and

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Speaker 6: he will do what is best for America. That is

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Speaker 6: a relationship of mutual respect and mutual confidence.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's so much going on there, Dave. There

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Speaker 1: is regime change. There is the flattery and the lies

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Speaker 1: potentially about this some so called Iranian plot to assassinate Trump.

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Speaker 1: And then finally there there is the you know, really

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Speaker 1: buttering it up, but calling Trump to join him in

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Speaker 1: this war on regime, just broadly, we want to give

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Speaker 1: you the floor both to react to that and to

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Speaker 1: the entire situation here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, you know, it's just you.

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Speaker 8: You're allowed to throw as many lies at the wall

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Speaker 8: as you want to when you're selling a war, so

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Speaker 8: that you know there's there's a lot there to kind

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Speaker 8: of unpack.

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Speaker 3: Number one, I would just say, first of the accusation.

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Speaker 8: That Iran was trying to assassinate Donald Trump just doesn't

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Speaker 8: meet the most basic of smell tests. I like, so

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Speaker 8: you're telling me that the Iranian regime essentially declared war

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Speaker 8: on the United States of America, already tried to murder

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Speaker 8: the sitting president, and yet his response was to try

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Speaker 8: to negotiate with them for a couple months until finally

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Speaker 8: we had Israel attack. Though, does that make sense to anybody?

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Speaker 8: They tried to murder Donald Trump and then he entered

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Speaker 8: negotiations with the Come on, it's too ridiculous, and you know,

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Speaker 8: you could go back. You know, the thing about Saddam

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Speaker 8: Hussein that a lot of people kind of forget in

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Speaker 8: history is that it is true that at one point

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Speaker 8: Saddam Hussein did have what you could call weapons of

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Speaker 8: mass destruction. He used chemical weapons in his nineteen eighty

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Speaker 8: through nineteen eighty six war with Iran and was supported

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Speaker 8: by the United States.

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Speaker 3: Of America while he did it.

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Speaker 8: He then got rid of those weapons programs and the

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Speaker 8: neo cons and Benjamin Netanyahu himself you can read in

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Speaker 8: his writing in the nineties when he was telling us

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Speaker 8: that Iran was a few years away from a nuclear weapon,

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Speaker 8: all the way back then, but he was also saying

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Speaker 8: that they wanted to overthrow Saddam Hussein for other reasons

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Speaker 8: for their Clean Break strategy. You could read about this

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Speaker 8: in the Project for a New American Century in the

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Speaker 8: Clean Break Memo written by Richard Pearl and David Wormsar.

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Speaker 8: They talked about this over and over and over again,

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Speaker 8: and then after nine to eleven they said, the issue

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Speaker 8: here is weapons of mass destruction, but that was they

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Speaker 8: always wanted the regime change, and so it's the same

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Speaker 8: thing again. The goal here has been regime change in Iran.

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Speaker 8: He's been open about this, he even admitted it a

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Speaker 8: little bit there.

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Speaker 3: But let's just.

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Speaker 8: Take them Look, let's just really assess the situation where

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Speaker 8: we are right now, Let's take them by their own logic.

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Speaker 8: If as all the Hawks are bragging right now or

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Speaker 8: saying that essentially Israel was already at war with Iran

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Speaker 8: because Iran attacked first on October seventh, they are proxies

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Speaker 8: attacked And.

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Speaker 3: What does that mean? You know?

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Speaker 8: It's like when they say Iran is the number one

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Speaker 8: sponsor of terror? Do they ever have to back that

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Speaker 8: up with data? Do they ever? Like have you ever

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Speaker 8: heard one warhawk who makes the claim that Iran is

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Speaker 8: the number one sponsor of terror?

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Speaker 3: Ever?

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Speaker 8: Like, show you look, this is how much terrorists have

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Speaker 8: gotten support from Saudi and this is how much more

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Speaker 8: they've gotten from Iran. No, they never even feel the

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Speaker 8: need to make this argument. Compare how much money the

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Speaker 8: US has given to terrorist organizations, or Israel has given

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Speaker 8: to terrorist organizations, or Israel has facilitated other countries given like,

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Speaker 8: there's no objective standard here. But if essentially the standard

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Speaker 8: is because Iran has given Hamas some weapons in the past,

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Speaker 8: therefore they're a proxy and therefore when they attack Israel

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Speaker 8: on October seventh, Iran has attacked Israel, Well, then what

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Speaker 8: is Israel attacking Iran other than the US proxy attacking Iran, right,

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Speaker 8: if that's not I mean, and come.

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Speaker 4: On and look, this is proxy state.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, same with Ukraine and Russia. It's the sameanization.

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Speaker 8: So if you're but this one is so much more

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Speaker 8: devastating because it's not just that we give Israel the

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Speaker 8: weapons and the money and the intelligence.

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Speaker 3: But at the very least.

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Speaker 8: Here, I mean, we had people, We had evacuation orders

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Speaker 8: twenty four to forty eight hours before the attack came.

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Speaker 8: Donald Trump is speaking out of both sides of his mouth.

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Speaker 8: Netanyahu here is clearly saying that Donald Trump knew this

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Speaker 8: attack was coming. So imagine, imagine they had that on

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Speaker 8: around with October seventh. They don't have anything close to that.

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Speaker 8: So make no mistake about it. We are at war

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Speaker 8: with Around right now. The United States of America is

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Speaker 8: Donald Trump has betrayed MAGA, betrayed America.

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Speaker 3: First.

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Speaker 8: He has made the most disastrous decision to lead America

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Speaker 8: into another war. Now, if they want to say that,

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Speaker 8: look there is an argument here. I suppose that perhaps

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Speaker 8: Around is a better candidate for a regime change than

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Speaker 8: Iraq or Libya was. This is the argument they're going

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Speaker 8: to make. It seems a much more compelling argument that

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Speaker 8: we're staring at yet another disaster. And as you were

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Speaker 8: pointing out, Crystal, you know, I heard a little bit

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Speaker 8: of your segment as I was waiting here, as you

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Speaker 8: were pointing out, which I think is really the most

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Speaker 8: important point is that this is the celebrating. It's just

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Speaker 8: like unbelievable. It's twenty four hours into it. They're all

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Speaker 8: celebrating how easy this was.

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Speaker 3: Look. I remember I was a little kid at the time,

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Speaker 3: but I.

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Speaker 8: Do vividly remember the celebrations after the Gulf War in

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Speaker 8: nineteen ninety one, and they were like, look how easy

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Speaker 8: that was, and we didn't take any losses. We went

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Speaker 8: on to be bogged down in that country for thirty

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Speaker 8: years following that war. We all remember the mission accomplishment.

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Speaker 8: We all remember Hillary Clinton saying we came, we saw

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Speaker 8: he's dead. A few years later, when she was running

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Speaker 8: for president, she wouldn't dare bring up Libya because it

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Speaker 8: was so obviously a colossal failure. So the people celebrating

655
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 8: this right now are just they've lost their minds.

656
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 3: And people get swept up in war.

657
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 2: Fever, the flashbacks, the WMD talk, the like celebratory mission accomplished,

658
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 2: vibe the you know in that clip with Boebe. And

659
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 2: I've heard so many others say this, they they're yearning

660
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 2: for freedom. I mean, it's just like it makes me

661
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 2: feel well, like as everybody just erased their memories of

662
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 2: what happened here.

663
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 4: It's utterly insane to me.

664
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Speaker 2: And to your point about our involvement, let's put this

665
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 2: next piece up on the screen. We now know that

666
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 2: at least the re sent discussions about you know, diplomatic negotiations,

667
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 2: and hey, we're going forward with these talks. This weekend

668
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 2: was a ruse to provide cover and the element of

669
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 2: surprise for the Israelis. So now you have this report.

670
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 2: A US official confirmed to me over the weekend Israel

671
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 2: had an operational window to assassinate around Supreme Leader comedy,

672
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 2: but President Trump made it clear he is against such

673
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 2: a move. This was first reported by Steve Holland there

674
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 2: is no reason for anyone US, the Iranians, anyone to

675
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 2: believe these reports.

676
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 4: I mean, it does give me also remind.

677
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Speaker 2: Me of you know, during the Biden Oh, they're very

678
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 2: upset with na Yahoo leaking to always Barock Revie.

679
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 4: They're very upset with him, etcetera. Etcetera.

680
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 2: Why would anyone ever believe a word that comes from

681
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 2: Trump or Steve Wikoff or anyone else associated with this

682
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 2: administration after they've gloated about the fact that they were

683
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 2: using diplomatic negotiations as a tool to effectuate to help

684
00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 2: kick off this war. I mean, I'm stems, I'm curious

685
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 2: your thoughts about this, Dave. I've seen this analysis that

686
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 2: Trump was persuayted this might be, that this might be true,

687
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 2: was persuaded by Beebe that he would have a better

688
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 2: hand going into negotiations with Iran if he let Israel

689
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 2: start this war and participated, as we've indicated, in starting

690
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 2: this war. That is the most that is the most idiotic,

691
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 2: insane possible analysis I can imagine. I guess it's possible

692
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 2: that he really is that absolutely idiotic. But you know,

693
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 2: what do you make of that? Is that really what

694
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 2: happened here? And what do you make of this report

695
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 2: that supposedly, oh, he was the cooler head and said

696
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 2: you can't you can't take out the supreme leader.

697
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I'd say Trump might be that idiotic.

698
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 8: And you know he he has again we're kind of

699
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 8: speculating here, but he has bragged in the past several

700
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 8: times about how he's so smart for keeping these hawks

701
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 8: around because then that puts all these pressure on people

702
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Speaker 8: to come to the negotiating.

703
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 4: Table that he had John Bolton, Yeah.

704
00:33:57,920 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

705
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 8: His example was John Bolton, who killed the deal with

706
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 8: North Korea. Like that was his example of it being

707
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 8: like such a stunning success or something like that. It's

708
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 8: it reminds me of like when people brag about the

709
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 8: Abraham Accords and what a success they were, and you're like, oh, yeah,

710
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 8: they worked out so great. They led to this, Like

711
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 8: how I don't even understand how you could You know,

712
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 8: it would be one thing if peace swept the Middle

713
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:22,760
Speaker 8: East after the Abraham Accords and you go, oh, okay,

714
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 8: maybe they played a role. But it's been a nightmare

715
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 8: all across, the worst fighting that we've had there in

716
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 8: twenty years and so since our last disastrous invasions. But so,

717
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 8: you know, look, I mean there, it seems to me

718
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 8: like there's a there's a couple possibilities here.

719
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 3: None of them are good.

720
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 8: One of the possibility is that which I think is

721
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:47,359
Speaker 8: plausibly the case that Israel betrayed Donald Trump and and

722
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,320
Speaker 8: then this is just his best way to deal with it, Like, essentially,

723
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 8: Donald Trump was trying to negotiate and then Israel just

724
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 8: went ahead and launched the attack anyway, and then as

725
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 8: a response to that, Donald Trump would rather look strong

726
00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 8: and go no, no, no.

727
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 3: I was in on it. It was our play all along.

728
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 8: Or the other possibility, which I think is more likely,

729
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 8: is that he was never negotiating in good faith and

730
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 8: it was a distraction and Donald Trump was in on it.

731
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,240
Speaker 8: Either way, were at the same place, you know. Either way,

732
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 8: even if Donald Trump was betrayed by the Israelis and

733
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 8: then just took their side in public, which has happened

734
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 8: with different presidencies over the years. It's certainly happened with

735
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 8: Bill Clinton after Camp David, So.

736
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 3: Maybe that's the case.

737
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 8: But then either way, then you're just so weak and

738
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,479
Speaker 8: pathetic that even after the Israel Israelis betray you, you'll

739
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 8: still come out and catch their back and support them

740
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 8: in this war. Well that's just as bad from the

741
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 8: Iranian perspective and from any reasonable person's perspective.

742
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 3: So, you know, we don't know.

743
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 8: We'll probably find out more about this over time, but

744
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 8: either way, in effect, it's the same thing, you know,

745
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 8: like and then we're left in the position where you're

746
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 8: supposed to sit here and justify a sneak, a sneak

747
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 8: aggressive preemptive attack, like somehow you're supposed to feel like

748
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 8: you're the good guys in an absolute war of choice

749
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,280
Speaker 8: against a country that does not have nuclear weapons.

750
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 3: Let's get real here.

751
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 8: The only country in the Middle East who secretly has

752
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 8: nuclear weapons is Israel. Iran is a member of the

753
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 8: Non Proliferation Treaty. Israel is not, and they have nuclear

754
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 8: weapons is an unbelievabation.

755
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,720
Speaker 2: Attacking six, like six of their neighbors as we speak,

756
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 2: and are not part of the non Proliferation jack Yet

757
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 2: we actually have cool with that.

758
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,800
Speaker 1: We have a non compliant nuclear member of the NPT

759
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:29,439
Speaker 1: actually attacking a member of the NPT who is far

760
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: more incompliance which said international treaty. Hey, whatever, what do

761
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 1: I know? Right? You know what's even crazier to me, Dave,

762
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: is just like the lead up to the war in Iraq,

763
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 1: we already have our Auchmentoaloby. I actually can't believe it,

764
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 1: but or our nineteen fifty three Operation Ajax. Let's go

765
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: and put B four please up on the screen. We

766
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 1: actually have members of the Israeli government who are tweeting

767
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:56,800
Speaker 1: out pictures of the sun of the Shah of Iran,

768
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 1: you know, basically insinuating that they are going to re

769
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 1: implement the monarchy on the people of Iran. It's like

770
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 1: nineteen fifty three all over again. And or just like this,

771
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 1: you know, fascination with these Western figures who've lived here

772
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 1: what for their entire lives. Almost at this point we're like, oh, actually,

773
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: these guys, because we're buddies and they agree with us,

774
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 1: the people of Iran will totally take to that, and

775
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 1: we're going to implement this new regime. They're not even

776
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: being subtle about it. Like I said, there's are literally

777
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 1: members of the Israeli government who are teasing basically the

778
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: restoration of the monarchy in Iran by force. It's it's

779
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 1: like two thousand and three all over again, where we

780
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 1: have this buddy buddy here, like you said, with the

781
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: neo cons in Washington, and then this theory that we

782
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 1: can just go in blow out the regime and then

783
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: we're going to implement this new style of government. I mean,

784
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 1: this is as naked as it gets in my opinion

785
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 1: on all of this, and I just I want you

786
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: to just go through, perhaps because you're so well read

787
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 1: on the history of these, you know, these attempts by

788
00:37:56,719 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: the United States and others to install these types of figures,

789
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 1: and it never ever works out. Whenn't we ever back

790
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 1: the right horse in the Middle Ages?

791
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:08,280
Speaker 8: Yeah, And of course, look, installing the Shaw to begin

792
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 8: with in nineteen fifty three is a huge part of

793
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 8: the reason why we have the current government in Aroan

794
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 8: that we have, which is a horrible, repressive government that

795
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 8: does not give their people liberty. And we should all

796
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,320
Speaker 8: you know, oppose that. But the thing is that war

797
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 8: is so much worse. You know, it's like Saddam Hussein

798
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 8: was a brutal, oppressive dictator also, but the worst thing

799
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,839
Speaker 8: that ever happened to the people of Iraq was George W.

800
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 8: Bush invading the country. And you know, the only examples

801
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,320
Speaker 8: that people look to, which are you know, rather remarkable

802
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 8: examples of regime change are Germany and Japan and how

803
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:44,359
Speaker 8: they were brought back into the you know, liberal international

804
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 8: order after World War Two. But what was required in

805
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 8: order to get to that point was was a clear

806
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 8: war on the civilian population with you know, millions of casualties,

807
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 8: and that like if your if your argument is we

808
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 8: should bring that to Iran, that don't tell me one

809
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 8: word about how you care about how the people of

810
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 8: Iran are being oppressed, because that's a far worse, you know,

811
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 8: level of oppression. And so you know, this is again,

812
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 8: as you guys have touched on, this is always how

813
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 8: they talk at the beginning of these wars. It's always

814
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 8: that democracy will sweep the region and that the people

815
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 8: will greet us as liberators. It'll be easy, paid for

816
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 8: an oil, all all this stuff. But you know you're

817
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 8: going to sit here and tell me about how Washington

818
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 8: d C. Or Tel Aviv can you know, reorchestrate another

819
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,839
Speaker 8: society can reconstruct it from the ground and choose its leaderships.

820
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 8: I mean, just think about the hubris involved in that.

821
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 8: As the late great Harry Brown used to point out

822
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 8: when he was talking about the war on drugs in

823
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 8: the United States of America, the US federal government can't

824
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 8: even keep drugs out of federal prisons.

825
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 3: Washington d C.

826
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 8: Can't even solve the violent crime problem in Washington, d C.

827
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 8: But you're telling me we're going to install the new

828
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 8: leader for the Iranians and the people will comply because

829
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,320
Speaker 8: what because the regime is so weak and the people

830
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 8: want liberty so much. This regime has ruled since nineteen

831
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 8: seventy nine, with the most powerful governments in the world

832
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 8: opposing them, working on their unousting them the entire time,

833
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 8: and they've still stayed in power. So you could tell

834
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 8: me a nice story. It's easy to write down a

835
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,359
Speaker 8: nice story. Oh yeah, I say, we intervene and then

836
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 8: we put the Shaw's sun back in and then everything

837
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 8: works out. Fine, Okay, let's see that happen. And you

838
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 8: know the other thing that I'll add And I don't know,

839
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 8: I mean, maybe things have changed to some degree. I

840
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,360
Speaker 8: certainly Israel was able to pull off that drone attack,

841
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 8: which I don't think they would have been able to

842
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 8: pull off in years past. But it was in two

843
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 8: thousand and seven that the Pentagon told George W. Bush

844
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 8: that we cannot go to war with a rand because

845
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 8: we do not have escalation dominance against them, essentially meaning

846
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 8: that they can hit all of our bases and embassies

847
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 8: in the region and we are very vulnerable to them.

848
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,240
Speaker 3: And we've already.

849
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 8: Seen demonstrated since the Israeli attack that the Iranian the

850
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 8: missiles that they send last year toward Israel. As many

851
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 8: of US guests, that wasn't really their best. They were

852
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 8: intentionally making an attack that wouldn't really hurt anybody, that

853
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,439
Speaker 8: wouldn't really lead to a war, which Iran has done

854
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 8: over and over again. But now we've pushed them to

855
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 8: the point where they probably don't feel that they have

856
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,879
Speaker 8: the option not to respond. And Donald Trump telling him

857
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,240
Speaker 8: to come back to the negotiating table now as a joke.

858
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,919
Speaker 8: I mean, what an impotent leader to be sitting there

859
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 8: talking about coming back to the negotiating table. It's like

860
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 8: sitting after Pearl Harbor and telling FDR, now's the time

861
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 8: to go negotiate with the Japanese. Negotiations are over now.

862
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,839
Speaker 8: The time for negotiations was before this. And so yeah,

863
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 8: Donald Trump looks and man, I supported him this last year.

864
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 8: I apologized for doing so. It was a bad calculation.

865
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 8: At the time, it seemed like the right one. But

866
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 8: he should be impeached and removed for this one, and

867
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 8: not on some like not on some ridiculous Nancy Pelosi.

868
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 8: Of course, the Congress will never do it because they're

869
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 8: all a bunch of you know, corrupt tacks.

870
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 1: This is the one thing they support.

871
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 8: Yeah, Donald Trump should be impeached and removed for this.

872
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 3: All of his supporters should turn on him.

873
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 8: It's the absolute betrayal of everything that he ran and

874
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 8: campaigned on and everything that he stood for. And I

875
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 8: will say, despite the fact that you know, Donald Trump

876
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 8: supporters have been labeled like a cult following, and that

877
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 8: certainly is true for a percentage of his supporters, he

878
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 8: is going to lose.

879
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 3: His coalition over this. I know.

880
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 8: I don't just speak for myself when I say there

881
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 8: are a lot of us who simply will not go

882
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 8: along with this.

883
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 3: So it's just a devastating mistake. By the way. On

884
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 3: top of that, he's.

885
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 8: Also going to lose the deportation fight because of this,

886
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 8: because right now he needed all the political capital he

887
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 8: could have.

888
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 3: To turn that.

889
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 8: You know, you got a majority support for deportations, but

890
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,919
Speaker 8: the minority is very mobilized and they're out and they're

891
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 8: protesting all around the country. He needed all of his

892
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,399
Speaker 8: political capital for that move. So here's what we got.

893
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 8: The neo cons win more war abroad at you know,

894
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,359
Speaker 8: bomb the world and invite the world. No matter who

895
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 8: you vote for, you always get John McCain.

896
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: It is funny. You know, some of the small artists,

897
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 1: evangelicals I know, say that the war in Iraq is

898
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: actually what killed them. And they're like, we were winning,

899
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 1: we were on top and oh four, you know, we

900
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: were you know, defensive Marriage Act and all this. But

901
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: it was Bush actually who killed our agenda and any

902
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,280
Speaker 1: ability you know, to do that, and then we lost

903
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 1: obviously the two thousand and eight election. I'm not sure

904
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: I necessarily agree with it, but people who if you

905
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: do care about some of the domestic stuff, let's say

906
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 1: that Donald Trump did run on Well, you know you've

907
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 1: got your answer as to the easiest way to destroy it.

908
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:31,240
Speaker 8: Go ahead, well say, look through all of American history, right,

909
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 8: This is why it's so crazy for conservatives to not

910
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 8: be anti war. When did they lose the culture the

911
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 8: big time? When did they have the hippie sexual revolution?

912
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:43,359
Speaker 8: Is during the Vietnam War. And when did we see

913
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 8: the rise in wokeism and progressive control of all these institutions.

914
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 8: You think it was a coincidence that it was the

915
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 8: administration after George W.

916
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,879
Speaker 3: Bush. When you launch an immoral war of.

917
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 8: Aggression, you lose the moral high ground, period, so you

918
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,879
Speaker 8: can't lecture your society about but heard some of these

919
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 8: right wing warhawks are going to lecture us about the

920
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 8: about being pro life, about abortion being murder.

921
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 3: Get out of here.

922
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 8: And this is why the evangelicals lost their seat at

923
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 8: the table for a generation, because they went all in

924
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 8: on murdering a million people in Iraq for no reason.

925
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 8: And so you know this was it was John Quincy

926
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,839
Speaker 8: Adams who said, if we go around the world looking

927
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 8: for monsters to destroy, we will become the dicatrius of

928
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 8: the world, but we will lose our own soul.

929
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 1: Well said one of our mess rights. Absolutely.

930
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 2: Well, you know, Dave, you may feel that way, but

931
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 2: Bill Ackman feels very different.

932
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 4: I mean, it's this important point that put B.

933
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 2: Seven up on the screen, which is that I think

934
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 2: you're right. There was a part of his coalition, including

935
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 2: yourself and others, who thought Trump would be more you know,

936
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 2: more of a peace candidate and more anti war than

937
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:54,399
Speaker 2: Kamala Harris as the alternative. But there was another part

938
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,319
Speaker 2: of the coalition that looks like this, that is all

939
00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 2: you know, thinks that we have not gone nearly far

940
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 2: enough in terms of fighting a direct hot regime change

941
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 2: war against Iran. And so You've got Bill Lackman here

942
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,280
Speaker 2: saying Prade was great, our military is incredible. Now Israel

943
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:11,800
Speaker 2: needs are helped to destroy Iran's nuclear threat to the world.

944
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 4: They say that.

945
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 2: He says, Israel's military and air force have sufficiently degraded

946
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 2: Iran's defenses such that this is now the lowest risk,

947
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,919
Speaker 2: highest probability moment to take out Iran's nuclear capability, grave

948
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 2: threat to us all. We should not let this great

949
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 2: opportunity Dave pass us by. But Israel does not have

950
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 2: the equipment and armaments to complete the job we do,

951
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 2: and it does not require boots on the ground. That

952
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 2: war Israel has been fighting has been on behalf of

953
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 2: all of us. Let's help them finish the job. This

954
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 2: is a powerful voice in the Republican Coalition, It's a

955
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:45,280
Speaker 2: powerful voice within the administration, it's a powerful voice nationally

956
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 2: in terms of achieving the policy ends and goals that

957
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:49,439
Speaker 2: they want.

958
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 8: You know, it's like, we're never going to get the

959
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 8: mass deportations, but can we at least deport all of

960
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 8: these warhawks to announce Ealdadorian prisident?

961
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 3: Could we just They really just did not. I mean,

962
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:02,839
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's testing my.

963
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 4: Life Israel horseshoe between you and me.

964
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 8: Day Well, it's really it's testing my my belief in

965
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 8: libertarianism because I just when I hear this, it's like

966
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,360
Speaker 8: these people do not have a right to speak. You

967
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 8: shouldn't have a right to open your mouth the nerve,

968
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 8: you know, It's like they could just say these things

969
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 8: that are so objectively untrue, Like look, if you want

970
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 8: to say, hey, look, I think this war in Iran

971
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 8: isn't going to be a disaster like all the other

972
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 8: ones were. And I think we're finally right, even though

973
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 8: we've been wrong nine times in a row, I think

974
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,720
Speaker 8: we're right about this one. Like, fine, make your argument,

975
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 8: but to say this is the lowest risk, like that,

976
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 8: this is the lowes This is by far the highest

977
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 8: risk of any of the terror wars. Objectively, that's not

978
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 8: like an opinion, that's just it might end up working out,

979
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 8: but the downside is the riskiest by far. That is,

980
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 8: any military expert would back that up, who's not lying

981
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 8: through their teeth would back that up. Anybody sit down

982
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 8: and argue with me about potentially what Saddam Hussein could

983
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 8: have done to us after we invaded, or potentially what

984
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 8: Goadafi could have done to us verse what the Mullas

985
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 8: can do to us. I'm sorry the risk is at

986
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 8: the highest here. I hope that doesn't come true. I

987
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 8: recognize we're already at war with this country. I know

988
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 8: it won't look good for me, but I hope it

989
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 8: does go well. I hope, I hope it's not the

990
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 8: disaster that it looks like it's going to be. But

991
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 8: don't sit here and tell me that this is the

992
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 8: least risky one. This is by far the riskiest of

993
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 8: all the terror wars. You know, maybe maybe the you know,

994
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 8: proxy war with Russia was riskier than this, but compared

995
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 8: to Libya or Syria, or Somalia, or Afghanistan or Iraq,

996
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 8: no comparison.

997
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 3: This one is by far the risk is.

998
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 1: There's a good transition here to US involvement. Let's go

999
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: ahead and put this up there on the screen. We

1000
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 1: have our friend Scott Horton. He is reporting here, you know,

1001
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 1: does echo some of your own comments, and he says

1002
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 1: sources the US will enter Israel's war with Iran, calling

1003
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 1: the White House and tell them that you do not

1004
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 1: want any part of this disastrous war. This is from

1005
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 1: sources to Scott Horton. You know, obviously Scott a very

1006
00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 1: very smart guy. He does, of course some people in

1007
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,479
Speaker 1: the administration in a sense, though you know, it's really

1008
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 1: only a question of offensive capability or not. We already know,

1009
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 1: you know, the extent to which the United States has

1010
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 1: been involved now with defending Israel. We can put the

1011
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 1: next one, guys up C two please. You could see

1012
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 1: Trump is obviously leaving that possibility open. He says, quote,

1013
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: it's possible the US could get involved, he means offensive leads,

1014
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 1: keeping the door there all signs do kind of point,

1015
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:26,399
Speaker 1: you know in that direction. I at this point, Dave,

1016
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 1: I don't even yet know what a quote off ramp

1017
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: could look like, save for Trump flying to Tehran himself.

1018
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 1: If you're the Iranians, why would you meet with Steve

1019
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 1: Witkoff again, why would you, you know, have any credit

1020
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:42,839
Speaker 1: credibility at this point for a US negotiator, And by

1021
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 1: the way, you don't even have a negotiator's send because

1022
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 1: Israel killed him. So can we just talk here about

1023
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 1: the extent here of US involvement, of the defensive capability,

1024
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 1: and also of how much worse things can go, because

1025
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:56,839
Speaker 1: as you said, of course we're already involved in this war.

1026
00:48:56,880 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 1: We're effectively, you know, a primary actor. But you know,

1027
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 1: there's a big difference still, as we just talked about

1028
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 1: with Bill Ackman. There's B two bombers. That's like level one.

1029
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,280
Speaker 1: Then there's US boots on our raids, you know, boots

1030
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 1: on the ground, and I think that's like level three.

1031
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 1: And then we have a prolonged occupation after the inevitable

1032
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 1: civil war and all that falls out, the strait CI

1033
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 1: war moves the risk and all of here to US forces.

1034
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 1: So the floor is yours.

1035
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:23,720
Speaker 8: Yeah, well, I mean the what the military was telling

1036
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 8: George W. Bush back in two thousand and seven that

1037
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 8: we wouldn't have escalation dominance, Like the idea of that

1038
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 8: is that we can't control their next move. And so

1039
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 8: you could sit here and say, like, let's say, right,

1040
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 8: like Axios was already reporting the other day that Israel

1041
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 8: is asking us to join in, because you know, they

1042
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 8: always talk a big game about how they can do

1043
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:45,279
Speaker 8: it themselves, so they actually can't do anything themselves. They

1044
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 8: can't even exist by themselves. That's why they always have

1045
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:50,280
Speaker 8: to say, doesn't Israel have a right to exist? Meaning

1046
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 8: you got to help us exist? So they need they

1047
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 8: need these bunker busters that they don't have that they

1048
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 8: need from them. But look, even if the idea is

1049
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 8: that they're trying to sell us on, we can do

1050
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 8: this even as an air war, like even if America

1051
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:08,360
Speaker 8: does get involved. But the problem is, and this is

1052
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 8: where the escalation dominance thing comes in. He goes, okay,

1053
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 8: But then what happens when Iran hits one of our

1054
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 8: bases or one of our embassies and kills a couple

1055
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:19,800
Speaker 8: hundred Americans? What's Donald Trump gonna do as a result

1056
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:22,240
Speaker 8: to that? And if you just game the thing out, yeah,

1057
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 8: it's very likely ends in invasion. And then as you

1058
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 8: just like alluded to, and then once you do that,

1059
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 8: once you invade and.

1060
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:30,879
Speaker 3: Overthrow the regime, well, what are we gonna do? Now?

1061
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 8: Are we just gonna let We're just gonna risk that

1062
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:35,799
Speaker 8: the streets of Harmouse fall into whoever's hands. They do,

1063
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 8: of course not, then we're back to nation building. And

1064
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 8: this is how it happens every single time. And you know,

1065
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 8: it's it's unbelievable, like even you know, it's even the

1066
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 8: war Hawks when they look back at the other wars,

1067
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 8: they'll they'll be like, yeah, well, we got dragged in

1068
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 8: and then we got but there is also a reason

1069
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,280
Speaker 8: why we got dragged in. Like that's how it happens.

1070
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 8: Once you break it, you're in a different position now,

1071
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 8: aren't you. And you know, you could see like an

1072
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:02,879
Speaker 8: example like in Libya where we didn't go in there

1073
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 8: in nation build you know which I I'm not saying

1074
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 8: it would have gone any better, but it was a

1075
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 8: complete disaster too. And so you know this, it's just

1076
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 8: we're playing with we're playing with fire here, we're playing

1077
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 8: with the destruction of the region. We're playing with the

1078
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:18,839
Speaker 8: destruction of the United States of America. I mean, who

1079
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 8: really thinks we're at a point let's just say, hypothetically

1080
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 8: that this would turn into another Iraq or Afghanistan. How

1081
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 8: many people think we can survive another one of those,

1082
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 8: like you think it's just a give it. Look at

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00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 8: our country right now. Our country was in a much

1084
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:35,319
Speaker 8: stronger position in two thousand and three when we first

1085
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:37,360
Speaker 8: invaded Iraq, or in two thousand and one when we

1086
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 8: first invaded Afghanistan than we are today. We didn't have

1087
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 8: the crushing debt that we have today. We didn't have

1088
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:44,359
Speaker 8: the cultural and racial and political divides that.

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Speaker 3: We have today.

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Speaker 8: You know, we're in a much different situation, and we're

1091
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 8: risking that for nothing, just to get Benjamin Netanyahuo's seventh

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00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 8: regime change that he wants so that Israel can get

1093
00:51:56,080 --> 00:52:00,440
Speaker 8: away with mistreating the Palestinians forever. That's the reason. Come

1094
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 8: telling you, there's no other reason. They don't have nuclear weapons.

1095
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 8: They weren't a threat to the United States of America.

1096
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 8: They were coming to the negotiating table over and over

1097
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 8: and over again. They went out of their way to

1098
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 8: not want war again. I'm not saying the Iranians are

1099
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:14,920
Speaker 8: a great regime.

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Speaker 3: They're not.

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00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 8: They mistreat their own people, they mistreat their women particularly,

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Speaker 8: But like, Okay, we didn't need to go to war

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00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 8: with them. And if we're gonna just start going to

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00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 8: war with every regime around the world who mistreats its

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00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 8: own people, well, I mean, we could start with the

1106
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 8: US and Israel if we wanted to do that, but

1107
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:33,360
Speaker 8: or we could go to war with every regime in

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00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 8: the country and in the world.

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00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's just madness.

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Speaker 2: No, that's exactly what puts the six up on the screen, guys,

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00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:40,839
Speaker 2: Because I thought this was a pretty good analysis from

1112
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:43,919
Speaker 2: Haretz and gets to some of what you're saying here.

1113
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:46,799
Speaker 2: It's the headline here from Amir Tibone, who we've had

1114
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 2: on the show, who's very thoughtful guy says, now, who's

1115
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:52,760
Speaker 2: counting on Trump to finish what Israel started in Iran?

1116
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 2: Israel doesn't necessarily have the firepower to take out each

1117
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:58,840
Speaker 2: and every element of Tehran's nuclear program unless Iran attacks

1118
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 2: American targets. The next phase of the war is largely

1119
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 2: in Donald Trump's hands. And here's how this logic goes. Okay, Israel,

1120
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:09,280
Speaker 2: with our full backing, picks this fight. Now they say, well,

1121
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:14,479
Speaker 2: we can't actually do everything we needed to do without you,

1122
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 2: so we need you involved here. And oh, by the way,

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00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 2: the Iranians aren't going to come back to the negotiating table,

1124
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 2: so you know, you've got to get involved because the

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00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:26,320
Speaker 2: negotiations are dead and there's no other alternative. Okay, Now

1126
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:29,919
Speaker 2: we're you know, helping the Israeli strike the Iranian nuclear sites.

1127
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 2: And by the way, let's be clear, it's not like

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Speaker 2: all their targets.

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Speaker 4: Have been nuclear related.

1130
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:39,720
Speaker 2: This the targets have been had some nuclear related elements,

1131
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:43,359
Speaker 2: nuclear scientists, et cetera. But this has been aimed at

1132
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 2: regime change. So let's say you get your wish and

1133
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 2: you destabilize the country. Let's say they take out the

1134
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 2: Supreme leader as they are projecting that they want to do.

1135
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 2: Now you're facing a potential failed state, and you're going

1136
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 2: to just let that, you know, let that unfold. And

1137
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 2: like you said, the consequences with oil prices and the

1138
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 2: straits of our moves, consequences with how many millions of

1139
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 2: refugees would flood out of Iran, you know, to countries

1140
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 2: all around the world.

1141
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:10,280
Speaker 4: You're just gonna let that unfold.

1142
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 2: But Israel isn't capable of handling that situation themselves, so

1143
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:15,799
Speaker 2: again you would need your big brother, the US. And

1144
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 2: so that's how you get pulled in, step by step

1145
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:20,799
Speaker 2: by step, where it's you know, at every step of

1146
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 2: the way, you create a mess that's impossible for Israel

1147
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 2: to manage themselves, that does directly then impact US interests

1148
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:31,319
Speaker 2: and drags us in further and further and further. Now

1149
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:35,319
Speaker 2: that that diplomatic solution has been destroying us completely off

1150
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 2: the table, especially with the fact that the Trump administration

1151
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:40,800
Speaker 2: is bragging about lying not only by the way to

1152
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:43,720
Speaker 2: the Iranians, but to the American people about their intent

1153
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:46,240
Speaker 2: to solve this through peaceful and diplomatic means.

1154
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:47,320
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1155
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:49,319
Speaker 8: I mean, you know, the thing to me that's really

1156
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 8: wild as I try to like zoom out and look

1157
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:54,239
Speaker 8: at this in the big picture, is that you know,

1158
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 8: like for anybody really paying attention, you'd know how much

1159
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 8: the war in Iraq was about Israel. Yeah, this is

1160
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:04,439
Speaker 8: just a fact. Like it's just it is the case.

1161
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:06,279
Speaker 8: And you could look at like all of the neo

1162
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:09,280
Speaker 8: conservatives and all of the Lakudniks in their own words,

1163
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:11,880
Speaker 8: would admit that for years before the war in Iraq

1164
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 8: that like, this is why we want to overthrow Sadam

1165
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 8: Hussein because we think it's in Israel's interest. But back

1166
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 8: in two thousand and two, in two thousand and three,

1167
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 8: when they were building up the when they were beating

1168
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:24,359
Speaker 8: the war drums and building the propaganda for it, they

1169
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 8: still had a very controlled, you know media environment in

1170
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 8: the old legacy corporate media. And so what the American

1171
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 8: people were told was that Saddam Hussein was in on

1172
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 8: nine to eleven and he has weapons of mass destruction.

1173
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 8: And look, in a post nine to eleven world, we

1174
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:41,320
Speaker 8: just can't let that be you can't have an Arab

1175
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 8: leader with nukes who's friends with Osama ben Laden because

1176
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Speaker 8: he could give it to them and they could New

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Speaker 8: Kansas And Okay, we all know looking back at that

1178
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:51,360
Speaker 8: that that was all, you know, a mountain of lies.

1179
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:53,360
Speaker 8: But at least you could see where that was like

1180
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:57,279
Speaker 8: propaganda that could maybe get some soccer mom in Kansas.

1181
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Speaker 3: To go, all right, I guess I support the war.

1182
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Speaker 8: Now this is really the only one where it's just

1183
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 8: there is no propaganda around it. It's just I mean

1184
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 8: there is, but like it's nakedly, this is we're fighting

1185
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:11,880
Speaker 8: a war for Israel here. And it's amazing that, you know,

1186
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:15,280
Speaker 8: for all of the people who hyperventilate about the rise

1187
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 8: of anti Semitism and how awful it is that Jewish

1188
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 8: students feel unsafe at some college in America. I mean,

1189
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 8: like you, what do you think this is going to

1190
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 8: do to this country? Like, what do you think is

1191
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:30,360
Speaker 8: going to happen with anti Semitism?

1192
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 3: Now?

1193
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:33,759
Speaker 8: You see that going up or down when we nakedly

1194
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 8: enter an aggressive war of choice on behalf of this

1195
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:41,839
Speaker 8: country that's already gotten us into six that's already had

1196
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 8: Like how many are we expected to enter to We've

1197
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 8: given them tens of billions of dollars, all of our intelligence,

1198
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:50,800
Speaker 8: all of our weapons. We allow them to do whatever

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00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:52,400
Speaker 8: they want to their poor neighbors.

1200
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:52,799
Speaker 3: We want.

1201
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:56,840
Speaker 8: We literally watch on our phones as their neighbors babies scream,

1202
00:56:56,960 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 8: as they're crushed under buildings, dying the most gruesome deaths,

1203
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:04,360
Speaker 8: and yet now we're required to enter another war for them.

1204
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:08,399
Speaker 8: It's just I mean, it's such an outrage and man,

1205
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 8: it just seems so incredibly shortsighted and this it's just

1206
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 8: gonna lead to nothing good.

1207
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 1: Nope, it is certainly not. But as usual, we always

1208
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 1: appreciate you, Dave a voice for many who feel voiceless

1209
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 1: at an a crazy moment.

1210
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 2: Like yeah, Dave, appreciate you, know you being principled and

1211
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 2: your character is not easy to be like, hey, I

1212
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 2: was just wrong about this, so you know, really huge

1213
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 2: respect for that and always always great to talk to

1214
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 2: you and get your insights.

1215
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 1: Good to see you man now.

1216
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 3: Thanks guys. Always great to talk to you, guys. Appreciate

1217
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 3: you having me