WEBVTT - Defending the current college transfer rules and KD's recent comments; Why Melo won't be a Laker; Guest: College hoops insider Jeff Goodman 0:00:05.240 --> 0:00:07.080 Welcome to All Ball and Doug Gottlieb. You can check 0:00:07.080 --> 0:00:10.040 out The Doug Gottlieb Show every day three to six 0:00:10.080 --> 0:00:12.800 Eastern time on Fox Sports Radio and of course on 0:00:13.760 --> 0:00:15.880 your I Heart Radio app. You can listen to us 0:00:15.920 --> 0:00:19.000 on Serious and XM channel two oh three, I believe 0:00:19.120 --> 0:00:21.920 is the XM channel. UM, follow me on Twitter at 0:00:21.960 --> 0:00:24.079 Gottlieb Show. There you go. Now we we're done with 0:00:24.120 --> 0:00:26.279 the pleasant trees. Two topics I want to get to 0:00:26.400 --> 0:00:31.440 here in All Ball. The first is transferring and the 0:00:31.560 --> 0:00:37.120 mess that's made of college basketball. Listen, I fully understand 0:00:37.159 --> 0:00:43.360 and respect that. Um, there's a sense from fans that 0:00:43.479 --> 0:00:46.440 college basketball is just kind of a way station to 0:00:46.479 --> 0:00:50.240 get to the NBA, and on some levels it is. Look, 0:00:50.240 --> 0:00:51.479 I'm not gonna lie to you and sit here and 0:00:51.479 --> 0:00:52.800 tell you when I came out of high school, I 0:00:52.840 --> 0:00:54.880 didn't think ultimately I'd have a shot to play in 0:00:54.920 --> 0:00:58.120 the NBA the league. I just want to get the league, 0:00:58.200 --> 0:01:01.280 want to get the league. The reality of it is 0:01:02.160 --> 0:01:05.960 the numbers, UM bear out to where it's really hard 0:01:06.000 --> 0:01:08.280 to get to the league. Now, it's not necessarily difficult 0:01:08.319 --> 0:01:11.680 to play professional basketball to make a living. I mean, 0:01:11.720 --> 0:01:14.520 it's difficult, but it's not like impossible. But to make 0:01:14.520 --> 0:01:17.160 it in the NBA, it's next to impossible in terms 0:01:17.160 --> 0:01:21.120 of the numbers, right, three fifty some odd Division one schools, 0:01:21.640 --> 0:01:24.480 almost all of which offer a scholarship or even the 0:01:24.520 --> 0:01:28.080 IVY League now offers financial assistance completely covering things up 0:01:28.080 --> 0:01:30.959 to what grand a year if your parents make up 0:01:30.959 --> 0:01:34.960 to seventy five grand a year. So um, let's say 0:01:35.000 --> 0:01:39.759 there's three forty five schools that offer even three fifty 0:01:39.800 --> 0:01:43.000 that offer, you know, thirteen scholarships a piece. Meanwhile, there's 0:01:43.080 --> 0:01:46.800 four fifty NBA jobs total total, and even if you 0:01:46.880 --> 0:01:53.040 expand that when you're talking about the G League and whatever. Look, 0:01:53.040 --> 0:01:55.880 there's as we're talking, one percent of the college basketball players, 0:01:56.840 --> 0:02:03.240 right one one, that's what we're talking about. So um, 0:02:03.800 --> 0:02:06.680 those numbers are it adds up to being really really hard. 0:02:07.280 --> 0:02:09.960 It's just hard. Thirty first round draft picks, five of 0:02:10.000 --> 0:02:12.880 which usually come from overseas, guys are fighting over twenty 0:02:12.880 --> 0:02:15.600 five locked in jobs, and even those jobs don't have 0:02:15.639 --> 0:02:20.320 great long term security. So I know that there's this Hey, 0:02:20.440 --> 0:02:24.920 you know, college basketball players, they're just crushing it for 0:02:24.960 --> 0:02:27.440 their schools. The college basketball programs don't make that much 0:02:27.440 --> 0:02:29.880 money for their schools. They just don't. Their TV deals don't. 0:02:30.520 --> 0:02:33.440 The the n c A tournament does um and they 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:36.600 are that money gets redistributed to n c A schools, 0:02:36.639 --> 0:02:38.000 and of course they spread that out not just to 0:02:38.040 --> 0:02:41.280 basketball but to all other sports. But the reality of 0:02:41.320 --> 0:02:44.520 it is college basketball programs generally don't make a ton 0:02:44.560 --> 0:02:47.400 of money for their schools. Are they keeping their head 0:02:47.400 --> 0:02:49.720 above water? Yes? Are they're making money? Sure, most of 0:02:49.720 --> 0:02:52.400 them are, especially the good ones really really are, But 0:02:52.480 --> 0:02:55.679 it pales the comparison to football. And the the interesting 0:02:55.760 --> 0:02:58.600 part about it is you actually get to know the 0:02:58.639 --> 0:03:01.600 basketball players more than you get to know the football players. Right, Like, 0:03:01.960 --> 0:03:08.160 ask yourself right now, how many college basketball faces and 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:10.440 names do you know? Now? Do the same thing for 0:03:10.480 --> 0:03:14.520 college football? And yet college football makes a ton more money, 0:03:14.520 --> 0:03:17.760 not just because the stadiums, but the the value of 0:03:17.960 --> 0:03:21.280 having those games on TV, because the ratings are exponentially higher. 0:03:22.520 --> 0:03:25.240 But whether it's football or it's basketball, anybody in the 0:03:25.280 --> 0:03:28.359 sport knows this, knows this, and they may not say 0:03:28.400 --> 0:03:30.519 it in front of a microphone, but they'll say it 0:03:30.560 --> 0:03:34.320 to everybody off Mike. Which is the transferring thing is 0:03:34.360 --> 0:03:38.680 a problem. It's a huge problem, and we can we 0:03:38.760 --> 0:03:43.279 can say, well, you know, coaches shouldn't hold players hostage. 0:03:43.720 --> 0:03:46.320 Most coaches don't hold you hostage. They may want you 0:03:46.360 --> 0:03:49.000 to grow and mature and have an ultimate plan in 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:51.600 place for you to win your your job. But if 0:03:51.600 --> 0:03:54.720 you're not as good as they would have thought, they 0:03:54.760 --> 0:03:57.200 probably don't want you to hang around. They're not holding 0:03:57.240 --> 0:04:01.560 you hostage. On the other hand, no one has any patience, 0:04:02.000 --> 0:04:06.800 any patients at all towards sitting and waiting. Now full disclosure, Okay, 0:04:06.800 --> 0:04:09.200 this is just me being honest. I wasn't going to 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:10.840 a school where I was going to sit. I just 0:04:10.960 --> 0:04:14.840 I wasn't. I remember my Montgomery called me from Stanford, 0:04:15.280 --> 0:04:18.840 and um, his basic spiel was like, look, this is 0:04:18.880 --> 0:04:21.520 the best school on earth. We got great players, we 0:04:21.600 --> 0:04:23.640 got great guys. We're gonna win. We're complaining the NSCA 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:26.279 de tournament. You're gonna back up Brevin Knight for two years, 0:04:26.839 --> 0:04:28.840 and then you would be your job to start for 0:04:28.880 --> 0:04:31.960 two years. You could play with Brevin Knights some, but 0:04:32.080 --> 0:04:33.920 you're mostly going to be a backup. You know, you'll 0:04:33.920 --> 0:04:38.160 play ten to twenty minutes, maybe sometimes over twenty minutes 0:04:38.400 --> 0:04:40.719 in a game and then when he's gone, you'll play 0:04:40.760 --> 0:04:42.960 over thirty thirty minutes and be our starting point guard. 0:04:43.400 --> 0:04:45.960 I just I wasn't into it, and so I said thanks, 0:04:45.960 --> 0:04:47.719 but no thanks. They moved on. They signed art lye 0:04:47.880 --> 0:04:49.680 artly ends up leading to them to a Final four. 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:54.440 This true story. Why did I go to you know what, 0:04:54.440 --> 0:04:57.080 why'd I go to to Notre Dame Because they had 0:04:57.080 --> 0:04:59.200 add more white there and I was told like, hey, 0:04:59.240 --> 0:05:01.200 you're better than that or white. You're going to start 0:05:01.520 --> 0:05:03.279 your freshman year. We're gonna be first year in the 0:05:03.279 --> 0:05:05.520 Big East. And it took me four games and ultimately 0:05:05.560 --> 0:05:08.240 I became the starting point guard Notre Dame. And even 0:05:08.279 --> 0:05:10.080 then I was frustrated. Right I was the first date. 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:15.640 I had to wait four games. Um, in hindsight, I 0:05:15.680 --> 0:05:17.920 probably didn't earn it in practice. Now, part of it 0:05:18.000 --> 0:05:20.520 was how we practiced. Part of it was my lack 0:05:20.560 --> 0:05:23.000 of experience in playing what I would call real basketball. 0:05:23.360 --> 0:05:28.040 But so I understand the lack of patients that scholar 0:05:28.080 --> 0:05:31.040 athletes have. When they signed in college. They signed thinking 0:05:31.040 --> 0:05:33.040 they're going to go and be stars. And some of it, 0:05:33.600 --> 0:05:36.320 some of it is the sale that's made by the coaches. 0:05:36.480 --> 0:05:38.000 Some of it is some of some of the some 0:05:38.120 --> 0:05:41.080 of them are promises that are not kept, but some 0:05:41.160 --> 0:05:44.359 of it also is the hey, man, it's going to 0:05:44.480 --> 0:05:48.680 work in the end. You know it's going to work 0:05:48.680 --> 0:05:50.560 out for you in the end. You're just gonna have 0:05:50.640 --> 0:05:54.240 to trust the process a little bit. The crazy thing 0:05:54.279 --> 0:05:56.880 about how we've gone in college sports as we went 0:05:56.920 --> 0:06:03.640 from being so overwhelming league pro university in our rules, 0:06:04.200 --> 0:06:08.880 so now it's the exact opposite. Now we're ridiculously pro 0:06:09.000 --> 0:06:14.360 athlete ridiculously. The guys that benefit most from the current 0:06:14.440 --> 0:06:18.640 transfer rules are guys that transfer out before the end 0:06:18.640 --> 0:06:22.120 of their first year. Right, you go to a place 0:06:22.360 --> 0:06:25.640 and you stay for eight nine games, and then you're like, 0:06:25.680 --> 0:06:27.800 I'm out this saying what I signed up for. And 0:06:27.880 --> 0:06:31.440 sometimes you do coaches a favor, but oftentimes they sit 0:06:31.480 --> 0:06:33.120 there and go like, this is we can't go on 0:06:33.160 --> 0:06:34.880 the waiver wire and pick a guy up. If we 0:06:34.920 --> 0:06:37.440 pick up a transfer, you know, nine games and he 0:06:37.520 --> 0:06:40.760 has the city year. If you say you're coming for 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:42.520 a year, you're coming for a year. You don't have 0:06:42.560 --> 0:06:44.680 to guarantee us you're gonna stay for the rest of 0:06:44.680 --> 0:06:47.279 your life and stay on campus for fifteen years and 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:49.359 get a doctorate. But if you stay, you're coming for 0:06:49.400 --> 0:06:53.240 a year. Guys that leave after the first semester, after 0:06:53.240 --> 0:06:56.560 the first year, they benefit the most because now they 0:06:56.560 --> 0:07:01.000 can go to a second school, red shirt, improve play, 0:07:01.279 --> 0:07:06.039 graduate and transferred to a third school. And it's just 0:07:06.920 --> 0:07:09.800 And the thing about transferring is this and this. No 0:07:09.800 --> 0:07:11.920 one will tell you this except for me and people 0:07:11.960 --> 0:07:15.160 being real. Once you leave a school kind of done there. 0:07:15.840 --> 0:07:18.760 You just are like I have great friends for my 0:07:18.880 --> 0:07:22.080 time and notre Dame. Frand McCaffrey recruited me. Um, he 0:07:22.200 --> 0:07:24.920 is a dear, dear friend. If he needed anything, I 0:07:24.920 --> 0:07:27.040 would go there if I needed anything. And I called 0:07:27.040 --> 0:07:29.840 on him and you know, I interviewed for college coaching job. 0:07:29.920 --> 0:07:32.000 The guy who gave me the who gave me just 0:07:32.040 --> 0:07:34.640 talk to me for hours on end with Frank McCaffrey 0:07:35.560 --> 0:07:39.000 because he totally knows me, I mean, recruited me every 0:07:39.080 --> 0:07:41.080 day when I was in Southern California. Knows me as 0:07:41.080 --> 0:07:43.160 a human being, knows me in terms of my my 0:07:43.480 --> 0:07:46.440 what my basketball vision is. Knew my father so well, 0:07:47.640 --> 0:07:51.520 m Ryan Hoover, who was my two guard, Pat Garritty, 0:07:51.560 --> 0:07:53.440 who is our starting power for Like those guys are 0:07:53.720 --> 0:07:56.520 Antony wish she was in my freshman recruiting class. These 0:07:56.560 --> 0:08:01.320 guys are near, very dear to my heart friends. And 0:08:01.400 --> 0:08:03.360 yet and then some of it is I got in 0:08:03.360 --> 0:08:04.880 trouble and Notre Dame, and that's why I had to leave. 0:08:04.920 --> 0:08:07.240 But a lot of it is when you leave, you're 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:10.480 kind of done there. And and I think that's the 0:08:10.520 --> 0:08:13.200 interesting part that no one says about these grad transfers. 0:08:13.800 --> 0:08:17.120 You have guys that go to a place for you know, 0:08:17.600 --> 0:08:19.440 I don't blame Matt Mooney, right, he has a nice 0:08:19.480 --> 0:08:22.520 career in South Dakota, he graduates, he transfers, he goes 0:08:22.560 --> 0:08:24.120 to Texas Tech. Now I get the chance to play 0:08:24.160 --> 0:08:27.600 for Chris Beard. But you're not really a Texas Tech guy, 0:08:27.880 --> 0:08:32.079 and you're not really a South Dakota guy anymore. But 0:08:32.120 --> 0:08:36.760 it also makes it so it's it's incredibly hard to watch. Look, 0:08:36.760 --> 0:08:39.760 I've covered this sport for fifteen This is my sixteenth 0:08:39.800 --> 0:08:45.040 season of doing anything covering college basketball. Sixteen years. It 0:08:45.240 --> 0:08:52.480 is ridiculously difficult to go Okay, wait, um, he played here, 0:08:53.320 --> 0:08:58.880 then played here, then played like I'm still It takes 0:08:59.120 --> 0:09:02.160 it takes me, as a broadcaster, about a month prepare 0:09:02.280 --> 0:09:06.640 for the season and then even once the season starts 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:09.079 to still Oh yeah, Brandon Clark, he was at San 0:09:09.200 --> 0:09:12.000 Jose State, I remember, but that sucks for Prelu when 0:09:12.000 --> 0:09:13.800 he got the job and he lost Brandon Clark and 0:09:13.840 --> 0:09:16.920 now he's a star at at Gonzaga, right like it 0:09:17.400 --> 0:09:22.520 takes a while for me to remember where guys are 0:09:22.760 --> 0:09:25.760 you know who else? It takes a while fans. It 0:09:25.880 --> 0:09:28.600 makes it harder to coach, but more importantly makes it 0:09:28.640 --> 0:09:31.640 harder to root for. And among the things that hurt 0:09:31.760 --> 0:09:34.560 the college basketball regular season, because that's one of the 0:09:34.640 --> 0:09:38.600 arguments that excuses made for college football not having a 0:09:38.640 --> 0:09:40.760 playoff is, Hey, we don't want our college see we 0:09:40.760 --> 0:09:44.240 don't want our season to be like college basketball season. Well, 0:09:44.960 --> 0:09:47.480 is it fair that there are too many games on TV? Yes? 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:49.920 Is it fair that you can finish below five hundred 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:53.080 in your conference? And fair to say that finishing below 0:09:53.120 --> 0:09:56.920 five hundred in your conference, um doesn't signify having a 0:09:56.960 --> 0:09:59.040 great year. You shouldn't play in the n c A Tournament. 0:09:59.040 --> 0:10:05.160 But teams consistently have yes, And that obviously helps the 0:10:05.200 --> 0:10:08.800 football argument of hey, we want our seasons and our 0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:13.080 our conference play the matter. That's that's fair, But one 0:10:13.120 --> 0:10:18.440 of the missing parts of it. Is. The thing about 0:10:18.520 --> 0:10:24.640 college basketball that's been different from NBA basketball is um 0:10:24.840 --> 0:10:27.040 is how close the students and the fans can get 0:10:27.080 --> 0:10:29.240 to the floor, like you feel like you're all kind 0:10:29.240 --> 0:10:33.800 of part of the thing, right. In addition to the 0:10:33.880 --> 0:10:38.520 guys are tied to their universities, and we do this. 0:10:38.640 --> 0:10:42.079 We we do it on on two or three different levels. 0:10:42.559 --> 0:10:46.160 Right when a when a player transfers out, we want 0:10:46.160 --> 0:10:48.760 to fans and some media members want to make it 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:51.640 so that guys can play right away. We do these 0:10:51.679 --> 0:10:56.120 things that actually encourages player movement and encourages players to 0:10:56.200 --> 0:11:00.280 leave or to go pro. That that that actually make 0:11:00.320 --> 0:11:04.320 it so that players respond in a way in which 0:11:05.000 --> 0:11:07.120 makes it more likely that they're gonna go pro or 0:11:07.120 --> 0:11:11.480 they're gonna transfer out. Perry Ellen stays four years in Kansas, 0:11:11.559 --> 0:11:14.160 and look, some of it was his hairline. But we 0:11:14.280 --> 0:11:17.199 make fun of it and say he's been there forever, right, 0:11:17.679 --> 0:11:20.199 I mean, I'm as guilty of it as anybody. We 0:11:20.480 --> 0:11:22.800 did it with Grayson Allen. How long has Grayson Allen 0:11:22.840 --> 0:11:25.960 been there? Oh, he's been you know. And it's not 0:11:26.000 --> 0:11:28.440 a bad thing to stay in school for four years. 0:11:28.520 --> 0:11:35.000 It's just not um Additionally, you know when guys don't 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:37.360 go pro after their first year, we act like there's 0:11:37.400 --> 0:11:41.280 something wrong with them, you know, like how, somehow there's 0:11:41.320 --> 0:11:44.200 something off there. Carson Edwards is a perfect example of 0:11:44.240 --> 0:11:47.120 why you don't go pro and everybody thinks you should 0:11:47.120 --> 0:11:48.840 go pro. He had a great year last year. Now 0:11:48.920 --> 0:11:51.640 everything they do at Perdue is for him, and he's 0:11:51.640 --> 0:11:54.760 developed enough where he can accept that role and he's 0:11:54.760 --> 0:11:56.559 gonna average over twenty a game and the Big ten 0:11:56.640 --> 0:11:58.439 might well be Big ten player that you'll definitely be 0:11:58.520 --> 0:12:01.839 first team All Big Ten. But because the draft pool 0:12:02.040 --> 0:12:04.520 is slimmer this year than it was last year, a 0:12:04.559 --> 0:12:07.360 guy who's really an off the guard, off the bench 0:12:07.400 --> 0:12:09.760 guard you can come in and score, might sneak into 0:12:09.800 --> 0:12:12.680 the first round this year. But we make it out like, well, 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:15.840 you know, you somehow weren't good enough, you're somehow not worthy, 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:17.959 and if you don't leave as a one and done, well, 0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:20.040 you're never really going to be an NBA player. That's 0:12:20.080 --> 0:12:24.800 just not true. That's not true. You know that this 0:12:24.920 --> 0:12:28.959 idea of guys that are pros look Brent Forbes made 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:31.440 himself into approach. If we pointed out he transferred up 0:12:31.440 --> 0:12:33.880 a level right, But Brent Forbes has made himself into 0:12:33.920 --> 0:12:36.360 a starting NBA two guard. That's a pretty amazing story. 0:12:37.960 --> 0:12:40.520 I just we have gotten to this point where we're 0:12:40.679 --> 0:12:44.960 so pro player, so pro player, you should have to 0:12:44.960 --> 0:12:47.320 sit out. We mean, let me just state this really quickly. 0:12:47.720 --> 0:12:49.800 If you transfer and you have a sick mom or 0:12:49.880 --> 0:12:52.720 sick dad, or sick grandparents, or you're just like super 0:12:52.760 --> 0:12:54.720 homesick and you want to make something up, if you 0:12:54.880 --> 0:12:59.480 really really really need to get close to home because 0:12:59.480 --> 0:13:02.400 of an un foreseen illness or death in the family, 0:13:02.720 --> 0:13:05.240 well guess what, you should probably be taking time away 0:13:05.280 --> 0:13:10.400 from basketball to handle that too. There has to be 0:13:10.600 --> 0:13:16.280 some sort of logical buy out of a scholarship. It's 0:13:16.320 --> 0:13:19.959 a contract, the first one you sign, and we are 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:23.920 not preparing basketball players for real life, and fans have 0:13:24.040 --> 0:13:28.760 no no view of how it actually mirrors real life. No, 0:13:29.120 --> 0:13:33.360 they're not like regular students, you know, regular students. It 0:13:33.760 --> 0:13:37.120 is because, first of all, when a college athlete transfers 0:13:37.160 --> 0:13:40.240 into a school, admission is not difficult. When a student does, 0:13:40.320 --> 0:13:43.400 sometimes admission can be difficult. We make them pay all 0:13:43.400 --> 0:13:46.160 their bills, but we don't hold them to any sort 0:13:46.160 --> 0:13:50.120 of level accountability with a contract. That they signed. And 0:13:50.160 --> 0:13:52.959 he might say, well, college coaches they leave, they have buyouts. 0:13:53.720 --> 0:13:55.760 That's there. That's what they have to do in order 0:13:55.760 --> 0:13:58.160 to get out of their contract. And oh yeah, by 0:13:58.160 --> 0:13:59.920 the way, they got to move their entire family. They 0:14:00.000 --> 0:14:02.240 gotta figure out their staff. There's a bunch of moving 0:14:02.280 --> 0:14:04.600 parts there. And do I think that when when a 0:14:04.640 --> 0:14:06.800 coach leaves, a player should be allowed to leave. I'm 0:14:06.800 --> 0:14:10.040 fine with that. But the idea that a player can 0:14:10.120 --> 0:14:13.679 leave out of his scholarship, especially at midyear or even 0:14:13.720 --> 0:14:15.440 at the end of the year, and one play right 0:14:15.440 --> 0:14:17.320 away because he says he has a family member sick 0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:20.680 or two he gets the benefit of transferring early instead 0:14:20.680 --> 0:14:24.440 of seeing the process through. So seeing the process through, 0:14:24.960 --> 0:14:29.160 when he benefits early, you can transfer again. But all 0:14:29.200 --> 0:14:31.360 of it gives us this with the exception of the 0:14:31.440 --> 0:14:35.160 Duke threesome and maybe even three throw Trey Jones in. 0:14:35.200 --> 0:14:38.800 There is the Duke forsome an amazing class. If it 0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:43.440 wasn't for Zion Williamson, who's a YouTube sensation and as J. 0:14:43.560 --> 0:14:45.920 Billis called him a phenomenon, he really is a phenomenon. 0:14:46.720 --> 0:14:49.200 How much would you really care pay attention in early 0:14:49.200 --> 0:14:52.320 season college basketball compared to how you used to, because you, 0:14:52.680 --> 0:14:57.480 in addition to not knowing the incoming freshman, you don't 0:14:57.520 --> 0:14:59.920 actually know many of the returning players because so many 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:03.640 of transferred and they're wearing new uniforms, and there's people 0:15:03.720 --> 0:15:06.880 who this is the secret to college athletics that you're 0:15:06.880 --> 0:15:08.800 only going to hear here on all balls, all this 0:15:08.920 --> 0:15:13.080 only place you're gonna hear. Pick the team that you follow. 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:16.320 You follow them. You're a fan of that, that team 0:15:16.400 --> 0:15:20.160 who goes to those games, who watches those games on TV, 0:15:20.640 --> 0:15:23.520 By and large, people from that area, grew up in 0:15:23.520 --> 0:15:28.480 that area, or alums of that school, and sometimes alums 0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:31.880 of said conference school, or of the same of the opponent. 0:15:32.240 --> 0:15:33.800 If you grew up in the area, you're a lum 0:15:33.880 --> 0:15:35.600 of the area. You're a fan of that, You've always 0:15:35.600 --> 0:15:38.600 been a fan of the team. That's who watches. Look 0:15:38.600 --> 0:15:42.160 at every season ticket base, it's all the same. The 0:15:42.200 --> 0:15:44.200 people who go to those games go there because it's 0:15:44.200 --> 0:15:47.160 their school. Now there may be more of them when 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:50.480 they're winning more, and obviously having better players helps you 0:15:50.520 --> 0:15:54.120 win more. But this idea that the players name and 0:15:54.200 --> 0:15:58.440 likeness matter is kind of laughable. What what does matter 0:15:59.080 --> 0:16:02.040 is the player's name in lightness being tied consistently to 0:16:02.040 --> 0:16:05.040 the same university because when they transfer out, we just 0:16:05.760 --> 0:16:08.360 it's it's like a where's waldough trying to find these guys, 0:16:09.480 --> 0:16:11.640 And as the guy who's done it for sixteen years, 0:16:11.680 --> 0:16:14.480 I can tell you it's increasingly difficult because you've got 0:16:14.480 --> 0:16:19.200 a thousand guys on Jeff Goodman's you know, transfer list, 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:24.240 and it grows every year and it makes the sport worse. 0:16:25.320 --> 0:16:28.480 I'm I'm only trying to help save the sport. I'm 0:16:28.480 --> 0:16:30.440 only trying to help you. Tell you the college basketball 0:16:30.480 --> 0:16:34.280 is awesome, you know. I'd love to talk about Creighton 0:16:34.520 --> 0:16:38.560 and the transformation in Greg McDermott's coaching style from getting 0:16:38.560 --> 0:16:40.800 trying to get blood out of a rock when he 0:16:40.960 --> 0:16:43.320 ran a million sets in Northern Iowa to now where 0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:46.840 they played fun five four or five out basketball. I 0:16:46.880 --> 0:16:49.120 know they lost the to Gonzaga, but that was a 0:16:49.160 --> 0:16:52.200 fun bat. It was a great watch on a Saturday 0:16:52.200 --> 0:16:54.920 afternoon last last week. But it's hard to get the 0:16:54.960 --> 0:16:58.200 mainstream fan to buy in because they don't know the players. 0:16:58.680 --> 0:17:01.880 The good ones, the gre talents aren't there long enough, 0:17:02.680 --> 0:17:07.640 and the transfers make it so that even the rank 0:17:07.680 --> 0:17:09.840 and file guys. We don't know who they are, where 0:17:09.840 --> 0:17:13.919 they came from. There's no consistency of names being associated 0:17:13.920 --> 0:17:16.480 with the university, and so there's no ability to create 0:17:16.800 --> 0:17:19.119 any sort of fan base for a for a player, 0:17:19.240 --> 0:17:22.439 for a team. It hasn't been established by having wins. 0:17:22.960 --> 0:17:25.040 And the last thing I'll say is this, I think 0:17:25.080 --> 0:17:28.639 that what college basketball does is a grosser name image 0:17:28.640 --> 0:17:31.800 and likeness. It does, and the NBA should actually push 0:17:31.800 --> 0:17:33.800 for guys to stay in school more because when they do, 0:17:34.320 --> 0:17:35.919 they have a built in fan base when they get 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:39.159 to the NBA, and that that travels with Let's welcome 0:17:39.160 --> 0:17:43.040 in Jeff Goodman from Stadium Sports, who called his first 0:17:43.280 --> 0:17:48.119 game ever with me san Diego, San Diego State. So 0:17:48.160 --> 0:17:51.840 in addition to being a Bostonian in southern California during 0:17:51.840 --> 0:17:54.160 a rainstorm, you got a chance to call a game. 0:17:54.160 --> 0:17:57.280 How to feel it was good? It was good? It 0:17:57.320 --> 0:18:00.360 was it was actually you know, you made it fairly because, uh, 0:18:00.440 --> 0:18:02.399 because the talk. We've known each other a long time. 0:18:03.160 --> 0:18:05.880 I think we feel comfortable ripping on each other if 0:18:05.880 --> 0:18:07.639 we need to. We really didn't do much of it. 0:18:07.680 --> 0:18:10.280 We just had fallen and and told it like it is. 0:18:10.320 --> 0:18:13.440 And I think that's what we have always had in common, right, 0:18:13.520 --> 0:18:16.280 like tell it like it is, and some people hate 0:18:16.359 --> 0:18:19.240 us for it, some people love us for it. Um, 0:18:19.280 --> 0:18:21.760 it was fun. Other than again, the weather in San 0:18:21.800 --> 0:18:24.679 Diego was brutal and even driving up to l A, 0:18:24.760 --> 0:18:28.880 I got a triple head or um, your night, it 0:18:28.920 --> 0:18:30.840 was pretty bad. So people do not know how to 0:18:30.920 --> 0:18:33.200 drive in the rain at all around. I don't think 0:18:33.200 --> 0:18:35.720 anybody actually knows how to driving the rain anywhere like that. 0:18:35.840 --> 0:18:37.800 That's one of the biggest like, oh, they don't know 0:18:37.800 --> 0:18:39.680 what I'm of course, the driving the rain in southern 0:18:39.680 --> 0:18:42.480 California never rains, but it's not like there's anywhere where 0:18:42.480 --> 0:18:44.480 when it rains three inches in a day, you know 0:18:44.520 --> 0:18:47.240 how to how to drive. Let's get to some basketball topics. 0:18:48.000 --> 0:18:52.080 Verning carry ends up signing with or committing to Duke right, 0:18:52.680 --> 0:18:55.399 and we're seeing these big three could go one to 0:18:55.560 --> 0:18:57.480 three in the draft. Uh, I want to get to 0:18:57.480 --> 0:19:00.119 your big board in a second, go to Duke. Why 0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:04.080 does it feel like, whether it's real reality or perception, 0:19:04.240 --> 0:19:07.000 why does it feel like the pendulum the swung where 0:19:07.080 --> 0:19:09.440 Duke is now the landing spot for the top kids. 0:19:11.640 --> 0:19:16.960 I'll give you three letters, U s A USA basketball. 0:19:17.040 --> 0:19:18.879 That change did for k He could say what he 0:19:18.920 --> 0:19:21.680 wants that it didn't, but what it did is it 0:19:21.720 --> 0:19:27.040 took him from where he was number two to now 0:19:27.080 --> 0:19:30.960 he's clearly number one over Caliperry. Caliperry was the guy. 0:19:31.040 --> 0:19:33.959 I mean, listen, everybody knew it. Calcarry was a hell 0:19:33.960 --> 0:19:36.960 of a recruiter at Memphis. Then he goes to Kentucky 0:19:37.040 --> 0:19:40.000 and it's like the elite recruiter at the elite spot. 0:19:40.359 --> 0:19:42.920 Nobody's gonna beat him. He showed that for years. But 0:19:43.119 --> 0:19:45.920 USA basketball, you know, they both have. But he's been 0:19:45.920 --> 0:19:49.520 doing USA basketball, ye, Jeff, he's been doing us A 0:19:49.600 --> 0:19:53.280 basketball for over a decade. Only now has the pendulum 0:19:53.480 --> 0:19:56.679 swung right. He had carry Irving going back, uh, you know, 0:19:56.840 --> 0:19:59.080 six seven years ago. But like in this one and 0:19:59.119 --> 0:20:01.960 done era, it does feel like something's changed. It's like 0:20:02.240 --> 0:20:06.159 has caltick people off. There's something about Duke's success and 0:20:06.240 --> 0:20:08.280 did like what there has to be something more than 0:20:08.320 --> 0:20:10.760 just hey, you know, look he's coaching. He's not even 0:20:10.760 --> 0:20:14.879 coaching tm USA anymore. Like that's the crazy part. No, 0:20:15.080 --> 0:20:17.639 But but he has been. And what I'm telling you 0:20:17.760 --> 0:20:21.160 is like the you know, the help he's gotten from 0:20:21.200 --> 0:20:26.840 the people at USA Basketball has certainly aided his cause. Um, 0:20:27.040 --> 0:20:30.080 I think you know, yes, all those like all those 0:20:30.200 --> 0:20:32.280 here's the way it works, Okay, all those junior national 0:20:32.320 --> 0:20:36.159 teams whatever, Like you know, any coach who you know, 0:20:36.240 --> 0:20:38.800 Kansas guy's course, Bill Self, you know, took his team 0:20:39.359 --> 0:20:43.400 to the World University Games. Um. And so even if 0:20:43.400 --> 0:20:46.680 it's not the big national team, it's the other national teams. 0:20:46.680 --> 0:20:49.160 You get to try out for workout for practice against 0:20:49.200 --> 0:20:52.000 the big boys or whatever. Like. There are promises and 0:20:52.080 --> 0:20:56.040 hints made during recruitment, but it just it is. It 0:20:56.200 --> 0:20:58.640 is fascinating. All right. Your big board just came out 0:20:59.160 --> 0:21:03.240 at Stadium Sports. Who's the guy who's gonna most surprise 0:21:03.359 --> 0:21:07.080 people that's on your big board? I think it's two. 0:21:07.160 --> 0:21:09.960 It's probably Kobe White. I think I haven't at like nineteen, 0:21:10.680 --> 0:21:15.120 somewhere around that twenty range. And Jackson Hayes, who's mid 0:21:15.200 --> 0:21:19.000 twenties freshman of Texas who most people don't even know 0:21:19.000 --> 0:21:22.720 who the hell he is. I mean, big athletic average 0:21:22.800 --> 0:21:25.760 like five minutes a game, is a junior in high school. 0:21:26.480 --> 0:21:29.200 And uh Dad is a tight ends coach of the 0:21:29.280 --> 0:21:34.000 Kansas City Chiefs. UM since and I bangled. I think 0:21:34.080 --> 0:21:36.800 I'm sorry and uh, those are the two that I 0:21:36.880 --> 0:21:40.040 think would probably have moved up the most for me 0:21:40.240 --> 0:21:42.080 from start. I had neither one of them in the 0:21:42.080 --> 0:21:45.320 first round. I've never heard of Jackson Hayes before, you know, 0:21:45.520 --> 0:21:49.000 three weeks ago. Um, I would agree with you. I 0:21:49.240 --> 0:21:51.479 went and saw him in Vegas and I was, I was. 0:21:51.600 --> 0:21:54.280