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Speaker 1: Gottlieb Show. There you go. Now we we're done with
Speaker 1: the pleasant trees. Two topics I want to get to
Speaker 1: here in All Ball. The first is transferring and the
Speaker 1: mess that's made of college basketball. Listen, I fully understand
Speaker 1: and respect that. Um, there's a sense from fans that
Speaker 1: college basketball is just kind of a way station to
Speaker 1: get to the NBA, and on some levels it is. Look,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie to you and sit here and
Speaker 1: tell you when I came out of high school, I
Speaker 1: didn't think ultimately I'd have a shot to play in
Speaker 1: the NBA the league. I just want to get the league,
Speaker 1: want to get the league. The reality of it is
Speaker 1: the numbers, UM bear out to where it's really hard
Speaker 1: to get to the league. Now, it's not necessarily difficult
Speaker 1: to play professional basketball to make a living. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's difficult, but it's not like impossible. But to make
Speaker 1: it in the NBA, it's next to impossible in terms
Speaker 1: of the numbers, right, three fifty some odd Division one schools,
Speaker 1: almost all of which offer a scholarship or even the
Speaker 1: IVY League now offers financial assistance completely covering things up
Speaker 1: to what grand a year if your parents make up
Speaker 1: to seventy five grand a year. So um, let's say
Speaker 1: there's three forty five schools that offer even three fifty
Speaker 1: that offer, you know, thirteen scholarships a piece. Meanwhile, there's
Speaker 1: four fifty NBA jobs total total, and even if you
Speaker 1: expand that when you're talking about the G League and whatever. Look,
Speaker 1: there's as we're talking, one percent of the college basketball players,
Speaker 1: right one one, that's what we're talking about. So um,
Speaker 1: those numbers are it adds up to being really really hard.
Speaker 1: It's just hard. Thirty first round draft picks, five of
Speaker 1: which usually come from overseas, guys are fighting over twenty
Speaker 1: five locked in jobs, and even those jobs don't have
Speaker 1: great long term security. So I know that there's this Hey,
Speaker 1: you know, college basketball players, they're just crushing it for
Speaker 1: their schools. The college basketball programs don't make that much
Speaker 1: money for their schools. They just don't. Their TV deals don't.
Speaker 1: The the n c A tournament does um and they
Speaker 1: are that money gets redistributed to n c A schools,
Speaker 1: and of course they spread that out not just to
Speaker 1: basketball but to all other sports. But the reality of
Speaker 1: it is college basketball programs generally don't make a ton
Speaker 1: of money for their schools. Are they keeping their head
Speaker 1: above water? Yes? Are they're making money? Sure, most of
Speaker 1: them are, especially the good ones really really are, But
Speaker 1: it pales the comparison to football. And the the interesting
Speaker 1: part about it is you actually get to know the
Speaker 1: basketball players more than you get to know the football players. Right, Like,
Speaker 1: ask yourself right now, how many college basketball faces and
Speaker 1: names do you know? Now? Do the same thing for
Speaker 1: college football? And yet college football makes a ton more money,
Speaker 1: not just because the stadiums, but the the value of
Speaker 1: having those games on TV, because the ratings are exponentially higher.
Speaker 1: But whether it's football or it's basketball, anybody in the
Speaker 1: sport knows this, knows this, and they may not say
Speaker 1: it in front of a microphone, but they'll say it
Speaker 1: to everybody off Mike. Which is the transferring thing is
Speaker 1: a problem. It's a huge problem, and we can we
Speaker 1: can say, well, you know, coaches shouldn't hold players hostage.
Speaker 1: Most coaches don't hold you hostage. They may want you
Speaker 1: to grow and mature and have an ultimate plan in
Speaker 1: place for you to win your your job. But if
Speaker 1: you're not as good as they would have thought, they
Speaker 1: probably don't want you to hang around. They're not holding
Speaker 1: you hostage. On the other hand, no one has any patience,
Speaker 1: any patients at all towards sitting and waiting. Now full disclosure, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is just me being honest. I wasn't going to
Speaker 1: a school where I was going to sit. I just
Speaker 1: I wasn't. I remember my Montgomery called me from Stanford,
Speaker 1: and um, his basic spiel was like, look, this is
Speaker 1: the best school on earth. We got great players, we
Speaker 1: got great guys. We're gonna win. We're complaining the NSCA
Speaker 1: de tournament. You're gonna back up Brevin Knight for two years,
Speaker 1: and then you would be your job to start for
Speaker 1: two years. You could play with Brevin Knights some, but
Speaker 1: you're mostly going to be a backup. You know, you'll
Speaker 1: play ten to twenty minutes, maybe sometimes over twenty minutes
Speaker 1: in a game and then when he's gone, you'll play
Speaker 1: over thirty thirty minutes and be our starting point guard.
Speaker 1: I just I wasn't into it, and so I said thanks,
Speaker 1: but no thanks. They moved on. They signed art lye
Speaker 1: artly ends up leading to them to a Final four.
Speaker 1: This true story. Why did I go to you know what,
Speaker 1: why'd I go to to Notre Dame Because they had
Speaker 1: add more white there and I was told like, hey,
Speaker 1: you're better than that or white. You're going to start
Speaker 1: your freshman year. We're gonna be first year in the
Speaker 1: Big East. And it took me four games and ultimately
Speaker 1: I became the starting point guard Notre Dame. And even
Speaker 1: then I was frustrated. Right I was the first date.
Speaker 1: I had to wait four games. Um, in hindsight, I
Speaker 1: probably didn't earn it in practice. Now, part of it
Speaker 1: was how we practiced. Part of it was my lack
Speaker 1: of experience in playing what I would call real basketball.
Speaker 1: But so I understand the lack of patients that scholar
Speaker 1: athletes have. When they signed in college. They signed thinking
Speaker 1: they're going to go and be stars. And some of it,
Speaker 1: some of it is the sale that's made by the coaches.
Speaker 1: Some of it is some of some of the some
Speaker 1: of them are promises that are not kept, but some
Speaker 1: of it also is the hey, man, it's going to
Speaker 1: work in the end. You know it's going to work
Speaker 1: out for you in the end. You're just gonna have
Speaker 1: to trust the process a little bit. The crazy thing
Speaker 1: about how we've gone in college sports as we went
Speaker 1: from being so overwhelming league pro university in our rules,
Speaker 1: so now it's the exact opposite. Now we're ridiculously pro
Speaker 1: athlete ridiculously. The guys that benefit most from the current
Speaker 1: transfer rules are guys that transfer out before the end
Speaker 1: of their first year. Right, you go to a place
Speaker 1: and you stay for eight nine games, and then you're like,
Speaker 1: I'm out this saying what I signed up for. And
Speaker 1: sometimes you do coaches a favor, but oftentimes they sit
Speaker 1: there and go like, this is we can't go on
Speaker 1: the waiver wire and pick a guy up. If we
Speaker 1: pick up a transfer, you know, nine games and he
Speaker 1: has the city year. If you say you're coming for
Speaker 1: a year, you're coming for a year. You don't have
Speaker 1: to guarantee us you're gonna stay for the rest of
Speaker 1: your life and stay on campus for fifteen years and
Speaker 1: get a doctorate. But if you stay, you're coming for
Speaker 1: a year. Guys that leave after the first semester, after
Speaker 1: the first year, they benefit the most because now they
Speaker 1: can go to a second school, red shirt, improve play,
Speaker 1: graduate and transferred to a third school. And it's just
Speaker 1: And the thing about transferring is this and this. No
Speaker 1: one will tell you this except for me and people
Speaker 1: being real. Once you leave a school kind of done there.
Speaker 1: You just are like I have great friends for my
Speaker 1: time and notre Dame. Frand McCaffrey recruited me. Um, he
Speaker 1: is a dear, dear friend. If he needed anything, I
Speaker 1: would go there if I needed anything. And I called
Speaker 1: on him and you know, I interviewed for college coaching job.
Speaker 1: The guy who gave me the who gave me just
Speaker 1: talk to me for hours on end with Frank McCaffrey
Speaker 1: because he totally knows me, I mean, recruited me every
Speaker 1: day when I was in Southern California. Knows me as
Speaker 1: a human being, knows me in terms of my my
Speaker 1: what my basketball vision is. Knew my father so well,
Speaker 1: m Ryan Hoover, who was my two guard, Pat Garritty,
Speaker 1: who is our starting power for Like those guys are
Speaker 1: Antony wish she was in my freshman recruiting class. These
Speaker 1: guys are near, very dear to my heart friends. And
Speaker 1: yet and then some of it is I got in
Speaker 1: trouble and Notre Dame, and that's why I had to leave.
Speaker 1: But a lot of it is when you leave, you're
Speaker 1: kind of done there. And and I think that's the
Speaker 1: interesting part that no one says about these grad transfers.
Speaker 1: You have guys that go to a place for you know,
Speaker 1: I don't blame Matt Mooney, right, he has a nice
Speaker 1: career in South Dakota, he graduates, he transfers, he goes
Speaker 1: to Texas Tech. Now I get the chance to play
Speaker 1: for Chris Beard. But you're not really a Texas Tech guy,
Speaker 1: and you're not really a South Dakota guy anymore. But
Speaker 1: it also makes it so it's it's incredibly hard to watch. Look,
Speaker 1: I've covered this sport for fifteen This is my sixteenth
Speaker 1: season of doing anything covering college basketball. Sixteen years. It
Speaker 1: is ridiculously difficult to go Okay, wait, um, he played here,
Speaker 1: then played here, then played like I'm still It takes
Speaker 1: it takes me, as a broadcaster, about a month prepare
Speaker 1: for the season and then even once the season starts
Speaker 1: to still Oh yeah, Brandon Clark, he was at San
Speaker 1: Jose State, I remember, but that sucks for Prelu when
Speaker 1: he got the job and he lost Brandon Clark and
Speaker 1: now he's a star at at Gonzaga, right like it
Speaker 1: takes a while for me to remember where guys are
Speaker 1: you know who else? It takes a while fans. It
Speaker 1: makes it harder to coach, but more importantly makes it
Speaker 1: harder to root for. And among the things that hurt
Speaker 1: the college basketball regular season, because that's one of the
Speaker 1: arguments that excuses made for college football not having a
Speaker 1: playoff is, Hey, we don't want our college see we
Speaker 1: don't want our season to be like college basketball season. Well,
Speaker 1: is it fair that there are too many games on TV? Yes?
Speaker 1: Is it fair that you can finish below five hundred
Speaker 1: in your conference? And fair to say that finishing below
Speaker 1: five hundred in your conference, um doesn't signify having a
Speaker 1: great year. You shouldn't play in the n c A Tournament.
Speaker 1: But teams consistently have yes, And that obviously helps the
Speaker 1: football argument of hey, we want our seasons and our
Speaker 1: our conference play the matter. That's that's fair, But one
Speaker 1: of the missing parts of it. Is. The thing about
Speaker 1: college basketball that's been different from NBA basketball is um
Speaker 1: is how close the students and the fans can get
Speaker 1: to the floor, like you feel like you're all kind
Speaker 1: of part of the thing, right. In addition to the
Speaker 1: guys are tied to their universities, and we do this.
Speaker 1: We we do it on on two or three different levels.
Speaker 1: Right when a when a player transfers out, we want
Speaker 1: to fans and some media members want to make it
Speaker 1: so that guys can play right away. We do these
Speaker 1: things that actually encourages player movement and encourages players to
Speaker 1: leave or to go pro. That that that actually make
Speaker 1: it so that players respond in a way in which
Speaker 1: makes it more likely that they're gonna go pro or
Speaker 1: they're gonna transfer out. Perry Ellen stays four years in Kansas,
Speaker 1: and look, some of it was his hairline. But we
Speaker 1: make fun of it and say he's been there forever, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm as guilty of it as anybody. We
Speaker 1: did it with Grayson Allen. How long has Grayson Allen
Speaker 1: been there? Oh, he's been you know. And it's not
Speaker 1: a bad thing to stay in school for four years.
Speaker 1: It's just not um Additionally, you know when guys don't
Speaker 1: go pro after their first year, we act like there's
Speaker 1: something wrong with them, you know, like how, somehow there's
Speaker 1: something off there. Carson Edwards is a perfect example of
Speaker 1: why you don't go pro and everybody thinks you should
Speaker 1: go pro. He had a great year last year. Now
Speaker 1: everything they do at Perdue is for him, and he's
Speaker 1: developed enough where he can accept that role and he's
Speaker 1: gonna average over twenty a game and the Big ten
Speaker 1: might well be Big ten player that you'll definitely be
Speaker 1: first team All Big Ten. But because the draft pool
Speaker 1: is slimmer this year than it was last year, a
Speaker 1: guy who's really an off the guard, off the bench
Speaker 1: guard you can come in and score, might sneak into
Speaker 1: the first round this year. But we make it out like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, you somehow weren't good enough, you're somehow not worthy,
Speaker 1: and if you don't leave as a one and done, well,
Speaker 1: you're never really going to be an NBA player. That's
Speaker 1: just not true. That's not true. You know that this
Speaker 1: idea of guys that are pros look Brent Forbes made
Speaker 1: himself into approach. If we pointed out he transferred up
Speaker 1: a level right, But Brent Forbes has made himself into
Speaker 1: a starting NBA two guard. That's a pretty amazing story.
Speaker 1: I just we have gotten to this point where we're
Speaker 1: so pro player, so pro player, you should have to
Speaker 1: sit out. We mean, let me just state this really quickly.
Speaker 1: If you transfer and you have a sick mom or
Speaker 1: sick dad, or sick grandparents, or you're just like super
Speaker 1: homesick and you want to make something up, if you
Speaker 1: really really really need to get close to home because
Speaker 1: of an un foreseen illness or death in the family,
Speaker 1: well guess what, you should probably be taking time away
Speaker 1: from basketball to handle that too. There has to be
Speaker 1: some sort of logical buy out of a scholarship. It's
Speaker 1: a contract, the first one you sign, and we are
Speaker 1: not preparing basketball players for real life, and fans have
Speaker 1: no no view of how it actually mirrors real life. No,
Speaker 1: they're not like regular students, you know, regular students. It
Speaker 1: is because, first of all, when a college athlete transfers
Speaker 1: into a school, admission is not difficult. When a student does,
Speaker 1: sometimes admission can be difficult. We make them pay all
Speaker 1: their bills, but we don't hold them to any sort
Speaker 1: of level accountability with a contract. That they signed. And
Speaker 1: he might say, well, college coaches they leave, they have buyouts.
Speaker 1: That's there. That's what they have to do in order
Speaker 1: to get out of their contract. And oh yeah, by
Speaker 1: the way, they got to move their entire family. They
Speaker 1: gotta figure out their staff. There's a bunch of moving
Speaker 1: parts there. And do I think that when when a
Speaker 1: coach leaves, a player should be allowed to leave. I'm
Speaker 1: fine with that. But the idea that a player can
Speaker 1: leave out of his scholarship, especially at midyear or even
Speaker 1: at the end of the year, and one play right
Speaker 1: away because he says he has a family member sick
Speaker 1: or two he gets the benefit of transferring early instead
Speaker 1: of seeing the process through. So seeing the process through,
Speaker 1: when he benefits early, you can transfer again. But all
Speaker 1: of it gives us this with the exception of the
Speaker 1: Duke threesome and maybe even three throw Trey Jones in.
Speaker 1: There is the Duke forsome an amazing class. If it
Speaker 1: wasn't for Zion Williamson, who's a YouTube sensation and as J.
Speaker 1: Billis called him a phenomenon, he really is a phenomenon.
Speaker 1: How much would you really care pay attention in early
Speaker 1: season college basketball compared to how you used to, because you,
Speaker 1: in addition to not knowing the incoming freshman, you don't
Speaker 1: actually know many of the returning players because so many
Speaker 1: of transferred and they're wearing new uniforms, and there's people
Speaker 1: who this is the secret to college athletics that you're
Speaker 1: only going to hear here on all balls, all this
Speaker 1: only place you're gonna hear. Pick the team that you follow.
Speaker 1: You follow them. You're a fan of that, that team
Speaker 1: who goes to those games, who watches those games on TV,
Speaker 1: By and large, people from that area, grew up in
Speaker 1: that area, or alums of that school, and sometimes alums
Speaker 1: of said conference school, or of the same of the opponent.
Speaker 1: If you grew up in the area, you're a lum
Speaker 1: of the area. You're a fan of that, You've always
Speaker 1: been a fan of the team. That's who watches. Look
Speaker 1: at every season ticket base, it's all the same. The
Speaker 1: people who go to those games go there because it's
Speaker 1: their school. Now there may be more of them when
Speaker 1: they're winning more, and obviously having better players helps you
Speaker 1: win more. But this idea that the players name and
Speaker 1: likeness matter is kind of laughable. What what does matter
Speaker 1: is the player's name in lightness being tied consistently to
Speaker 1: the same university because when they transfer out, we just
Speaker 1: it's it's like a where's waldough trying to find these guys,
Speaker 1: And as the guy who's done it for sixteen years,
Speaker 1: I can tell you it's increasingly difficult because you've got
Speaker 1: a thousand guys on Jeff Goodman's you know, transfer list,
Speaker 1: and it grows every year and it makes the sport worse.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm only trying to help save the sport. I'm
Speaker 1: only trying to help you. Tell you the college basketball
Speaker 1: is awesome, you know. I'd love to talk about Creighton
Speaker 1: and the transformation in Greg McDermott's coaching style from getting
Speaker 1: trying to get blood out of a rock when he
Speaker 1: ran a million sets in Northern Iowa to now where
Speaker 1: they played fun five four or five out basketball. I
Speaker 1: know they lost the to Gonzaga, but that was a
Speaker 1: fun bat. It was a great watch on a Saturday
Speaker 1: afternoon last last week. But it's hard to get the
Speaker 1: mainstream fan to buy in because they don't know the players.
Speaker 1: The good ones, the gre talents aren't there long enough,
Speaker 1: and the transfers make it so that even the rank
Speaker 1: and file guys. We don't know who they are, where
Speaker 1: they came from. There's no consistency of names being associated
Speaker 1: with the university, and so there's no ability to create
Speaker 1: any sort of fan base for a for a player,
Speaker 1: for a team. It hasn't been established by having wins.
Speaker 1: And the last thing I'll say is this, I think
Speaker 1: that what college basketball does is a grosser name image
Speaker 1: and likeness. It does, and the NBA should actually push
Speaker 1: for guys to stay in school more because when they do,
Speaker 1: they have a built in fan base when they get
Speaker 1: to the NBA, and that that travels with Let's welcome
Speaker 1: in Jeff Goodman from Stadium Sports, who called his first
Speaker 1: game ever with me san Diego, San Diego State. So
Speaker 1: in addition to being a Bostonian in southern California during
Speaker 1: a rainstorm, you got a chance to call a game.
Speaker 1: How to feel it was good? It was good? It
Speaker 1: was it was actually you know, you made it fairly because, uh,
Speaker 1: because the talk. We've known each other a long time.
Speaker 1: I think we feel comfortable ripping on each other if
Speaker 1: we need to. We really didn't do much of it.
Speaker 1: We just had fallen and and told it like it is.
Speaker 1: And I think that's what we have always had in common, right,
Speaker 1: like tell it like it is, and some people hate
Speaker 1: us for it, some people love us for it. Um,
Speaker 1: it was fun. Other than again, the weather in San
Speaker 1: Diego was brutal and even driving up to l A,
Speaker 1: I got a triple head or um, your night, it
Speaker 1: was pretty bad. So people do not know how to
Speaker 1: drive in the rain at all around. I don't think
Speaker 1: anybody actually knows how to driving the rain anywhere like that.
Speaker 1: That's one of the biggest like, oh, they don't know
Speaker 1: what I'm of course, the driving the rain in southern
Speaker 1: California never rains, but it's not like there's anywhere where
Speaker 1: when it rains three inches in a day, you know
Speaker 1: how to how to drive. Let's get to some basketball topics.
Speaker 1: Verning carry ends up signing with or committing to Duke right,
Speaker 1: and we're seeing these big three could go one to
Speaker 1: three in the draft. Uh, I want to get to
Speaker 1: your big board in a second, go to Duke. Why
Speaker 1: does it feel like, whether it's real reality or perception,
Speaker 1: why does it feel like the pendulum the swung where
Speaker 1: Duke is now the landing spot for the top kids.
Speaker 1: I'll give you three letters, U s A USA basketball.
Speaker 1: That change did for k He could say what he
Speaker 1: wants that it didn't, but what it did is it
Speaker 1: took him from where he was number two to now
Speaker 1: he's clearly number one over Caliperry. Caliperry was the guy.
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, everybody knew it. Calcarry was a hell
Speaker 1: of a recruiter at Memphis. Then he goes to Kentucky
Speaker 1: and it's like the elite recruiter at the elite spot.
Speaker 1: Nobody's gonna beat him. He showed that for years. But
Speaker 1: USA basketball, you know, they both have. But he's been
Speaker 1: doing USA basketball, ye, Jeff, he's been doing us A
Speaker 1: basketball for over a decade. Only now has the pendulum
Speaker 1: swung right. He had carry Irving going back, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: six seven years ago. But like in this one and
Speaker 1: done era, it does feel like something's changed. It's like
Speaker 1: has caltick people off. There's something about Duke's success and
Speaker 1: did like what there has to be something more than
Speaker 1: just hey, you know, look he's coaching. He's not even
Speaker 1: coaching tm USA anymore. Like that's the crazy part. No,
Speaker 1: But but he has been. And what I'm telling you
Speaker 1: is like the you know, the help he's gotten from
Speaker 1: the people at USA Basketball has certainly aided his cause. Um,
Speaker 1: I think you know, yes, all those like all those
Speaker 1: here's the way it works, Okay, all those junior national
Speaker 1: teams whatever, Like you know, any coach who you know,
Speaker 1: Kansas guy's course, Bill Self, you know, took his team
Speaker 1: to the World University Games. Um. And so even if
Speaker 1: it's not the big national team, it's the other national teams.
Speaker 1: You get to try out for workout for practice against
Speaker 1: the big boys or whatever. Like. There are promises and
Speaker 1: hints made during recruitment, but it just it is. It
Speaker 1: is fascinating. All right. Your big board just came out
Speaker 1: at Stadium Sports. Who's the guy who's gonna most surprise
Speaker 1: people that's on your big board? I think it's two.
Speaker 1: It's probably Kobe White. I think I haven't at like nineteen,
Speaker 1: somewhere around that twenty range. And Jackson Hayes, who's mid
Speaker 1: twenties freshman of Texas who most people don't even know
Speaker 1: who the hell he is. I mean, big athletic average
Speaker 1: like five minutes a game, is a junior in high school.
Speaker 1: And uh Dad is a tight ends coach of the
Speaker 1: Kansas City Chiefs. UM since and I bangled. I think
Speaker 1: I'm sorry and uh, those are the two that I
Speaker 1: think would probably have moved up the most for me
Speaker 1: from start. I had neither one of them in the
Speaker 1: first round. I've never heard of Jackson Hayes before, you know,
Speaker 1: three weeks ago. Um, I would agree with you. I
Speaker 1: went and saw him in Vegas and I was, I was.
Speaker 1: I was blown away by by Jackson Hayes. You're going
Speaker 1: to see the triple header tonight. I'll bet you doing
Speaker 1: halftime for one of the games. It's kind of a
Speaker 1: weird deal where the St. Mayors the Mexico game, I
Speaker 1: don't even know, like that on ESPN Plus. Then we
Speaker 1: have kind of the middle game, um, and then the nightcap,
Speaker 1: which is Nevada and USC. Yeah, we have us, we
Speaker 1: have the USC game, us C t C U. UM.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you about Nevada. You're byron to them
Speaker 1: getting to the Final four, Like I'll say that they
Speaker 1: have a chance. I mean, if you're telling me, like
Speaker 1: gunning in my head, am I picking Nevada to go
Speaker 1: to the Final four, I'm gonna say no. But anybody,
Speaker 1: you know, these days, anybody has a chance. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, Loyola went last year. Uh there, to me,
Speaker 1: there's like three or four teams that are at a
Speaker 1: different level right now when you're when you're trying to
Speaker 1: choose the top four teams to go to the final four.
Speaker 1: I mean, you've got obviously Gonzaga. They don't even a
Speaker 1: chilly back you obviously because of their talent. Uh. To me,
Speaker 1: you have to have Kansas, especially when Dope gets back.
Speaker 1: I talked to Bill Selfia today. He doesn't feel like
Speaker 1: it could be a hundred percential after the new year.
Speaker 1: Doesn't even need him that much, to be honest, you
Speaker 1: get throw Dietrich Lasson at the five and be just
Speaker 1: five and maybe the Suser comes back, we don't know
Speaker 1: yet with him, and then the fourth one of me
Speaker 1: is Virginia, and I think then there's a gap, a
Speaker 1: significant gap after that to the Tennessee's, the nevad Is
Speaker 1: the next year, whoever you want to put in there.
Speaker 1: Why do you hate the ten so much? It stinks
Speaker 1: it's so bad this year, Like I've never figured out,
Speaker 1: like VCU did just beat Texas. I want to point
Speaker 1: that out. The VCU did did just beat Texas. I
Speaker 1: think I think the tournament team this Texas the tournament
Speaker 1: team here absolutely absolutely, come on, absolutely absolutely, They're not
Speaker 1: absolutely a tournament team. There will be a fringe tournament
Speaker 1: team most likely. I don't know what happened when they
Speaker 1: came home from Vegas. They look so good against Carolina,
Speaker 1: they have a big lead to get is Chigan State.
Speaker 1: Then they lose to Radford and VCU at home, Like
Speaker 1: what the hell is that? What I'm telling you though,
Speaker 1: like today today, if they'd probably be in, they beat Arkansas,
Speaker 1: they beat North Carolina, they're gonna get in, and they're
Speaker 1: gonna win you know, half their games in the Big Twelve,
Speaker 1: they're gonna get Like you got the top half. They
Speaker 1: gotta finish in the top half of the Big twelve.
Speaker 1: That's not a given. I don't even think you have
Speaker 1: necessarily had to finish top half. But yes, okay, it's fine.
Speaker 1: I don't think the Big twelve is is there outside
Speaker 1: of Kansas? You know, like how good is Baylor? How
Speaker 1: good is West Virginia? How good is Oklahoma State? A
Speaker 1: team I thought would be better. They just lost to Tulsa,
Speaker 1: They've lost to Charlotte, they lost to Minnesota. So um anyway, uh,
Speaker 1: but we were talking about we get to Texas, like
Speaker 1: I get, Look, here's what's happened. What happened the A ten,
Speaker 1: Same thing that happened to the Missouri Valley. You know,
Speaker 1: you lose your top teams and then you go and
Speaker 1: get you know, low majors to be in a high
Speaker 1: mid major league and it's gonna take a while to adjust.
Speaker 1: And the league is is down. But look, I think
Speaker 1: I think St. Louis is pretty good. Davidson's not bad.
Speaker 1: I mean they were embarrassing obviously against Perdue, but they've
Speaker 1: been good otherwise. And DC is not terrible. The bottom
Speaker 1: of the league is really bad. I don't know what
Speaker 1: happened to George Mason, obviously, the bottom's falling out of
Speaker 1: George Washington and and LaSalle is a complete rebuild. Listen,
Speaker 1: the bottom line, though, is okay, your your your top
Speaker 1: teams have to be really good, right your your top
Speaker 1: programs in the league. And Dayton has not been great
Speaker 1: and VC has not been great. It's like it's like
Speaker 1: the pack, Well, why is the Pack twelve stink this year?
Speaker 1: Because you see in Arizona aren't that good? Period? Look,
Speaker 1: I think U c L as talented. I think they
Speaker 1: don't have a point guard, maybe don't have great leadership.
Speaker 1: You know, Jalen Hands is not really a point guard. Um,
Speaker 1: But that the gamble was the key there. Tiger Campbell,
Speaker 1: good and hurt was the key for u c l A.
Speaker 1: That might end up costing Steve Ballford his job. It's very,
Speaker 1: very possible. And I think Arizona is kind of surprising, right, like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, by the way, it's pretty good coach. Remember
Speaker 1: they did just go to Yukon and get a win.
Speaker 1: I mean they lost to Gonzaga and Auburn, two teams
Speaker 1: that could very well in their league. They beat Iowa State,
Speaker 1: who played well out there. And I know Iowa State
Speaker 1: still without Wigginton, but I mean Arizona. But I'd agree
Speaker 1: with you that that's what happens when the top teams
Speaker 1: are down. The perception of the league of the league
Speaker 1: is down, all right. Last thing before we let you go, um,
Speaker 1: your National Player of the Year as of now it's
Speaker 1: only a month in the season, is who I'm going.
Speaker 1: I know you're going t Tinkle. Well, no, I just
Speaker 1: look here, here's my thing with Trace Tinkle. I'll talk
Speaker 1: about it. No, No, it's just he's a tremendous player
Speaker 1: who does three things really well. He scores, he rebounds,
Speaker 1: and he passes for a kid who's six ft eight
Speaker 1: and they're a good team and a great team. But
Speaker 1: we do this thing in college basketball. We cover like
Speaker 1: ten teams and then we pick our player of the
Speaker 1: year from those ten teams. That's it, that's what we do, right, Like,
Speaker 1: Trey Young got a bunch of attention last year for
Speaker 1: leading the corner country and scoring assist. His team sucked,
Speaker 1: but because the stats were so obscene, we compelled to
Speaker 1: put him on every list, right whereas there are guys
Speaker 1: that actually had better years that might not have had
Speaker 1: those same stats. No, let listen. I love think I do.
Speaker 1: I think he's a terrific player. I would give it
Speaker 1: to Ruy right now, the best player on the best team.
Speaker 1: And I know some people arguing that the best player
Speaker 1: in his own team, but I would say he is.
Speaker 1: He's the best player in his own team. He's turned
Speaker 1: into an alpha dog, and we saw that with the
Speaker 1: game winner against Washington, and that was always a big question.
Speaker 1: I talked to him before the year and he even
Speaker 1: said that he's like in our culture in Japan, that's
Speaker 1: not how we're taught to be and and Mark has
Speaker 1: been on him about that. You've got to be that guy.
Speaker 1: You gotta try to take over games. We need you
Speaker 1: to do that. And if he can be that, I
Speaker 1: think all the other dudes they're gonna have until he
Speaker 1: comes back. We know Zach Norville loves the big moment,
Speaker 1: right he's beerless. Perkins likes it. I don't really want
Speaker 1: him taking it, but but he he has the cajnans
Speaker 1: to take it. And then like Corey Kissber, it's pretty
Speaker 1: damn good Brandon Clark. I will know if Brandon Clark
Speaker 1: can really shoot it, but I don't think it matters now.
Speaker 1: They're they're tremendous team in a in a day and
Speaker 1: age in which nobody has depth and few have depth
Speaker 1: with experience. They have both and they're well coached. Um.
Speaker 1: It's why I don't have any problem with people. It's
Speaker 1: not just that they beat Duke, it's that they beat Duke,
Speaker 1: and like Duke, I think they're both going to get better.
Speaker 1: They haven't topped out yet one because they hadn't had
Speaker 1: Killy and Tilly in too, because you know, Brendan Clark
Speaker 1: still learning to play at this level after playing at
Speaker 1: San Jose stayed previously. All Right, dude, listen, I completely
Speaker 1: completely agree that their question is who does take the
Speaker 1: big shot? Although you go back to the other night
Speaker 1: against Washington and really took and made the big shot,
Speaker 1: although he's wide open, which was kind of surprising. Nonetheless,
Speaker 1: enjoy Southern California. We can follow, follow you on Twitter,
Speaker 1: watch your stuff on stadium. Right, and another game together? Yeah,
Speaker 1: o O do you some buddy on March January three, Marshall,
Speaker 1: little John Elmore action there. So that'll be fun. And
Speaker 1: I'm gonna prep because I gotta be prepared to in
Speaker 1: the game with you. It'll be fun. Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 1: Letter Alright, a couple lot of things here on All Ball. No,
Speaker 1: the Lakers are not gonna sign Carmelo Anthony. I've told
Speaker 1: you guys before. I've said on this podcast other podcasts.
Speaker 1: Or chemistry is outstanding. So just think of this as
Speaker 1: dumb and dumber. Right, what are you thinking of? One
Speaker 1: in a million? So he's saying there's a chance. Okay, fine,
Speaker 1: I actually think you could play in Golden State, like
Speaker 1: in a Maurice space Mo Buckets role. Come off the bench,
Speaker 1: Chuck a couple of you, he need hit some you
Speaker 1: stay in. I actually think they could use that kind
Speaker 1: of offense. I do um. I will also say this,
Speaker 1: like we've gotten to this place where we feel the
Speaker 1: need as media members to defame Kevin Durant, right, because
Speaker 1: he thinks he's doing the world of service by calling
Speaker 1: out the sycophants of the world that follow Lebron James
Speaker 1: or the fans who honestly, like, here's the thing with
Speaker 1: with k D. In many ways, he's right. He's saying
Speaker 1: things that you're not supposed to say and maybe you
Speaker 1: can't even say. But telling fans who are unruly and
Speaker 1: say ridiculous things to athletes like you sat next to
Speaker 1: these people for they don't belong in the arena, Like
Speaker 1: that's not the whole point of coming there. And there's
Speaker 1: a way to hecko and be funny, and there's a
Speaker 1: way to just be mean and cruel, and I think
Speaker 1: that's kind of what he's what he's getting, Like, you're
Speaker 1: you're an adult, don't m f me when I'm a player, right,
Speaker 1: I am a human being, even if we don't want
Speaker 1: them to act like human beings. But it's funny where
Speaker 1: we've gotten with with k D. Right, here's the guy
Speaker 1: averaging thirty points a game. Think about this. Has anybody
Speaker 1: looked he's averaging thirty a game. He's shooting from the
Speaker 1: field thirty four from three, which is a little bit
Speaker 1: down um, and he's shooting from the free throw line,
Speaker 1: averaging eight rebounds and six and a half assists, and
Speaker 1: to block the game. And I've I've seen people say, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, k D, he's just nothing good. I'm like, what,
Speaker 1: excuse me? He's amazing. It's amazing. So what you what
Speaker 1: you have to do? And this is the I encourage
Speaker 1: all my broadcasting friends will listen to this, and you
Speaker 1: should do this if you're just a civilian. But this
Speaker 1: is the challenge in my world. What I've always done
Speaker 1: is that there's basketball coaches, basketball players that I don't like,
Speaker 1: guys that I do like. Can you evaluate fairly even
Speaker 1: if you don't like somebody, or even if you do
Speaker 1: like somebody? And I think many media members they can't.
Speaker 1: It's not just that their homers, it's that if they
Speaker 1: feel like they're being called out by a guy, like
Speaker 1: they're gonna be I've had beefs with Roy Williams before
Speaker 1: I respect Roy Williams. I think he's done an amazing
Speaker 1: job throughout his career. There are times in which, up
Speaker 1: until recently, kind of always played the same way, and
Speaker 1: I didn't allow I don't love some of the in
Speaker 1: game substitutions, but I also haven't one the one eight
Speaker 1: hundred games of his games. But like you know, these
Speaker 1: are like, I don't allow any sort of pettiness, any
Speaker 1: sort of beaf over you know, the rumor that he
Speaker 1: might shut it down a couple of years ago when
Speaker 1: his knees were bad and his best friend died and
Speaker 1: he took offense to it. Like, I don't allow that
Speaker 1: to affect my evaluation of Roy Williams as a coach,
Speaker 1: either all time or his team this year. But most
Speaker 1: people can't. They can't disassociate themselves from the real world
Speaker 1: of feelings. I guess I don't have enough feelings. Kevin
Speaker 1: Rans amazing, amazing, and the fact that people aren't pointing
Speaker 1: out just how incredible a year he's having only proves
Speaker 1: his point. Of the sycophants in the NBA covering Lebron,
Speaker 1: but for Lebron and the Lakers, the chemistry is obscene.
Speaker 1: I'd be embarrassed. If I was the Phoenix Sons at
Speaker 1: throwing out eighteen points combined in their last two first quarters,
Speaker 1: I just just start trading guys to Siberia. Man, But
Speaker 1: I guess you become basketball side berea suspend. Dudes, they
Speaker 1: don't want to guard, they don't want to play. Figure
Speaker 1: out a way to get guys compete hard in that
Speaker 1: because that it's amazing. They drafted Josh Jackson, they signed
Speaker 1: Tyson Chandler, they drafted Mikail Bridges. All guys seen his chemistry.
Speaker 1: Guys in their chemistry has not gotten better, It's gotten worse, worse.
Speaker 1: They're awful, awful. All right, we're gonna have We have
Speaker 1: a couple of amazing pods. Wind up. Eric Musselman is
Speaker 1: gonna join us next week. Rusty LaRue is set to
Speaker 1: join us telling tell you about his journey. Rush of
Speaker 1: the Room. Might be the greatest athlete in the history
Speaker 1: of Wake Forest. I know Tim Duncan played at Wake Forest.
Speaker 1: We'll get his story. He's told me he's gonna join
Speaker 1: me in a pod. I've got a bunch of people
Speaker 1: that have been texting me, Hey, dude, I want to
Speaker 1: do a pod. Cool we'll do it. We'll pump some
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