WEBVTT - Gaza and the Board of Peace feat. Dana El Kurd

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<v Speaker 1>Cool Zone Media. Hello everyone, and welcome to it could

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<v Speaker 1>happen here. My name is Dan Alperd. I'm a professor

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<v Speaker 1>of political science and a researcher of Arab and Palestinian politics.

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<v Speaker 1>Since I last recorded an episode, those in power have

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<v Speaker 1>been very busy. The world looks different from a month ago.

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<v Speaker 1>What would the assault on Minneapolis, the kidnapping of Venezuelan

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<v Speaker 1>President Maduro, the as of this recording, possible invasion of Greenland.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been hard for even the best of us to

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<v Speaker 1>keep up. As Znemic from the series and Or would say,

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<v Speaker 1>the pace of repression outstrips our ability to understand it.

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<v Speaker 1>And that is the real trick of the imperial thought machine.

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<v Speaker 1>It's easier to hide behind forty atrocities than a single incident.

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<v Speaker 1>I will never not squeeze in an and Or reference

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<v Speaker 1>when I can, given that this is the state of

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<v Speaker 1>the world. What's happening in Shalstein has largely slipped out

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<v Speaker 1>of most people's speeds and certainly the media headlines. But

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<v Speaker 1>lots is happening, Lots of dangerous things are happening, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to take this episode to give an update

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<v Speaker 1>of about what's been going on. Since the ceasefire was

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<v Speaker 1>announced three months ago, four hundred and forty nine Palestinians

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<v Speaker 1>have been killed by Israeli attacks and another one thousand,

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<v Speaker 1>two hundred and forty six have been injured. Over one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred of those killed were children. According to UNISEF, the

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<v Speaker 1>Gaza Strip has been reduced even further with a new

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<v Speaker 1>quote yellow line demarketing where Israeli troops will remain and

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<v Speaker 1>where Palestinians are not allowed to go. They literally placed

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<v Speaker 1>concrete yellow blocks on the ground in Gaza, and as

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<v Speaker 1>the BBC notes from a report January sixteenth of this year,

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<v Speaker 1>Israel continues to push the yellow line further and further

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<v Speaker 1>into what remains of Gaza. The United Nations Office for

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<v Speaker 1>the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs notes, quote the israel Early

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<v Speaker 1>military remains deployed in over fifty percent of the Gaza

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<v Speaker 1>Strip beyond the yellow line, where access to humanitarian facilities

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<v Speaker 1>and assets, public infrastructure, and agricultural land are either restricted

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<v Speaker 1>or prohibited. In this context, and despite this context, the

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<v Speaker 1>Trump administration has declared that Phares one of the Cispar

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<v Speaker 1>agreement is now over and that fes tow will commits.

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<v Speaker 2>The US has announced the launch of the second phase

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<v Speaker 2>of the Gaza ceasefire Agreement. Special ENVOYE. Steve Whitcoff shared

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<v Speaker 2>the news in a social media post, writing that Phase

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<v Speaker 2>two establishes a transitional, technocratic Palestinian administration in Gaza, the

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<v Speaker 2>National Committee for the Administration of Gaza. He also wrote

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<v Speaker 2>that it begins the full demilitarization and reconstruction of Gaza,

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<v Speaker 2>primarily the disarmament of all unauthorized personnel. Whitcoff says the

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<v Speaker 2>US expects Hamas to comply fully with its obligations, including

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<v Speaker 2>the immediate return of the final deceased hostage, and warns

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<v Speaker 2>that the failure to do so will bring serious consequences.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, this is the declaration, even though really, aside from

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<v Speaker 1>the return of Israeli hostages, no part of the twenty

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<v Speaker 1>point plan that the Trump administration put forward as the

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<v Speaker 1>quote peace Plan was realized. On the ground, eight is

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<v Speaker 1>being let in, but not at the levels that it's needed.

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<v Speaker 1>Attacks against Palestinians haven't stopped. Nonetheless, Phase two is apparently

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<v Speaker 1>starting with the naming of members of the Board of Peace. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>if listeners will recall from a previous episode, Trump declared

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<v Speaker 1>himself the chair of this Board of Peace that's supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to bring peace to the Middle East, and Tony Blair

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<v Speaker 1>was tapped to run it, much to the outrage of

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<v Speaker 1>anyone who witnessed Blair's cooperation and the destruction of Iraq.

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<v Speaker 1>Now this Board of Piece is going to run the

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<v Speaker 1>Gaza strip and its quote unquote technocratic government, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>going to make sure how Masty militarizes and that Palestinians

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<v Speaker 1>don't step out of line. The Board of Peace is

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<v Speaker 1>one aspect of the Great Plan, Great Standing for Gaza Reconstitution,

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<v Speaker 1>Economic Acceleration and Transformation Plan, a plan that apparently will

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<v Speaker 1>turn Gaza into the Riviera of the Middle East. The

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<v Speaker 1>Huffington Post reported January seventeenth that Trump is setting a

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<v Speaker 1>billion dollar price tag for any country that wants to

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<v Speaker 1>participate on this board. Members so far include Tony Blair,

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<v Speaker 1>Secretary of State Marco Rubio, son in law Jared Kushner,

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<v Speaker 1>US Special Envoy to the Middle East, Steve Witkoff, Mark Rowan,

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<v Speaker 1>the CEO of Apollo Global Management, Israeli billionaire Yakir Gabey,

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<v Speaker 1>and a number of others along the same vein. Among

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<v Speaker 1>those Trump has invited include Vladimir Putin, famously very interested

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<v Speaker 1>in peace and not at all in eradicating Ukrainian existence.

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<v Speaker 1>Trump also sent a letter to Victor Orban, far right

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<v Speaker 1>wing president of Hungary, to join the Board of Peace.

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<v Speaker 1>Orbon has apparently accepted this invitation. To remind listeners, Orbon

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<v Speaker 1>is one of Trump's models for authoritary takeover of democratic institutions.

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<v Speaker 1>Orbon is also very close ties with Prime Minister Nitaniehu

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<v Speaker 1>in Israel, despite his anti Semitic politics. Now, I thought

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<v Speaker 1>the letter he sent to Orbon and to every other

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<v Speaker 1>right wing politician he's been inviting was quite telling. In

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<v Speaker 1>the letter, Trump invites Orbon to join, presumably with the

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<v Speaker 1>billion dollar pay to play, and calls the Board of

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<v Speaker 1>Peace a quote bold new approach to resolving global conflict.

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<v Speaker 1>Reuter Is reporting on this issue, quoted an anonymous diplomat

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<v Speaker 1>saying it's a Trump United Nations that ignores the fundamentals

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<v Speaker 1>of the UN Charter. In fact, the charter of the

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<v Speaker 1>Board of Peace doesn't even mention Gaza. So what is

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<v Speaker 1>this bold new approach to resolving global conflict? It's apparently

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<v Speaker 1>a resolution to conflict that includes a neocolonial oversight board

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<v Speaker 1>run by white men to make sure the natives don't

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<v Speaker 1>get too excited. Now, this oversight board is intended to

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<v Speaker 1>manage conflict, because let's be clear, this isn't about solving

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<v Speaker 1>conflict at the expense of the people who have been

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<v Speaker 1>facing the brunt of this conflict. So we should take

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<v Speaker 1>them at their word that this is going to be

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<v Speaker 1>the way that global conflict is going to be resolved

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<v Speaker 1>from now on. This is the blueprint. Gaza is only

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<v Speaker 1>the test case, and in this new form of authoritarian

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<v Speaker 1>conflict management, the world will operate without any pretensions under

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<v Speaker 1>the premise of might is right, and if the Gaza Reconstitution,

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<v Speaker 1>Economic Acceleration and Transformation Plan is any indication, this plan

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<v Speaker 1>is predicated on encouraging Palestinians to ultimately leave Gaza, at

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<v Speaker 1>least some significant segment of them. So not only might

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<v Speaker 1>is right, but ethnic cleansing is a more than fine

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<v Speaker 1>way to resolve a dispute. And finally, the plan is

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<v Speaker 1>dedicated on the idea that reconstruction is a business opportunity.

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<v Speaker 1>So to review, Mike is right, ethnic cleansing is AOK,

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<v Speaker 1>and war is a prime real estate development opportunity. Now

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<v Speaker 1>things get even worse when we bring in the guy

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<v Speaker 1>who's been tapped to be the director general of this board.

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<v Speaker 1>Nikolai Maladanov is a Bulgarian politician, an x UN envoy

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<v Speaker 1>who has been tasked with quote disarming Gaza. According to

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<v Speaker 1>a report by Al Jazira published January fifteenth, he's the

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<v Speaker 1>guy who's going to oversee the National Committee for the

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<v Speaker 1>Administration of Gaza, the technocratic government which is run by

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<v Speaker 1>a Palstinian bureaucrats, and make sure that they stay in

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<v Speaker 1>line during the reconstruction phase. Somehow, these bureaucrats are supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to reconstruct Gaza while not being able to operate in

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<v Speaker 1>most of it. Anyway, Maladanov, this guy is really something.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a Bulgarian diplomat that worked as a minister for

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<v Speaker 1>one of the most corrupt governments in Bulgaria, a government

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<v Speaker 1>that faced mass protest pretty persistently. He is part of

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<v Speaker 1>a right wing populist party in Bulgaria. His father was

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<v Speaker 1>also involved in politics, specifically in the Bulgarian Virgin of

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<v Speaker 1>the KGIB before the transition from the communist regime. Since

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty one, he's been working in an Amarati institution,

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<v Speaker 1>the Unwar Gagaesh Diplomatic Academy, where he came out as

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<v Speaker 1>a quote vocal proponent of the Abrahamic courts, the normalization

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<v Speaker 1>agreements between Israel and several Arab states. Now it all

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<v Speaker 1>checks out, honestly that this is the guy who's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be the director General. The fact that this person

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<v Speaker 1>is the one being chosen for face two of the ceasefire,

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<v Speaker 1>and the fact that he has this kind of political

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<v Speaker 1>background should make clear that the plan for Gaza isn't

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<v Speaker 1>just a blueprint for the world new levels of authoritarian

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<v Speaker 1>conflict management with no pretense, but also a part and

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<v Speaker 1>parcel of the US Israeli Imarati vis for the region. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>this vision is one where Arab authoritarian regimes and Israel,

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<v Speaker 1>with the US supporting, remake the Middle East into a

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<v Speaker 1>quote modern, developed, tolerant Middle East, essentially by pouring concrete

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<v Speaker 1>over graves and building megacities on top of rubble. Their

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<v Speaker 1>vision of the Middle East is one that is authoritarian

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<v Speaker 1>and contained. More citizens are subjects. These subjects can have

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<v Speaker 1>some social freedoms and maybe some economic opportunities, but should

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<v Speaker 1>never think that they can have an opinion on anything

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<v Speaker 1>that happens to them. This is a vision where states

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<v Speaker 1>like the UAE the United Arab Emirates can arm militias

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<v Speaker 1>to conduct ethnic cleansing in Sudan and Israel can get

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<v Speaker 1>away with ethnic cleansing in Palestine because ethnic cleansing and

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<v Speaker 1>genocide are apparently a perfectly reasonable way of getting rid

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<v Speaker 1>of undesirables. Now, I'm not saying that this isn't how

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<v Speaker 1>these states operated even before the genocide and Gaza, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying it wasn't how the US allowed certain

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<v Speaker 1>allies to operate even before Trump. Perhaps the writing was

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<v Speaker 1>on the wall when Palestinians were indefinitely occupied and no

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<v Speaker 1>one cared, or when Artzach was ethnically cleansed and Azerbaijan

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<v Speaker 1>got away with it. President Biden gave his blessing to

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<v Speaker 1>the destruction of Gaza after October seventh, after all, but

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<v Speaker 1>there used to be a pretense, a pretense of international

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<v Speaker 1>law and a quote liberal international order. There also used

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<v Speaker 1>to be variation on these issues. This type of authoritarian

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<v Speaker 1>conflict management wasn't always tolerated. In fact, Arab liberals who

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<v Speaker 1>advocated for democracy would often say that the US is

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<v Speaker 1>different from China or Russia in that at least it

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<v Speaker 1>was committed to democracy and international law and human rights. Rhetorically,

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<v Speaker 1>even if there was hypocrisy, they thought that that space

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<v Speaker 1>between reality and rhetoric could be leveraged and exploited. But

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<v Speaker 1>now there is nothing to be leveraged. Authoritarian conflict management

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<v Speaker 1>is the motor oparandee of powerful states, and according to

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump's new doctrine, the don Roade Doctrine, each powerful

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<v Speaker 1>state gets to do what it wants in its own

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<v Speaker 1>sphere of influence. In fact, not only is territorial aggression valid,

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<v Speaker 1>it's actually the way the world should work. According to

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<v Speaker 1>all of Trump's spokespeople and parts of his administration, conquest

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<v Speaker 1>is totally fine. Here's Stephen Miller on Greenland, for example.

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<v Speaker 3>Under every understanding of law that has existed about territorial

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<v Speaker 3>control for five hundred years, to control a territory, you

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<v Speaker 3>have to be able to defend a territory, improve a territory,

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<v Speaker 3>inhabit a territory. Denmark has feeled that every single one

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<v Speaker 3>of these tests.

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<v Speaker 1>So Gaza is indeed the blueprint for what happens to

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<v Speaker 1>weaker states in war, or what happens in this case

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<v Speaker 1>to stateless people deemed undesirable and expendable. Now, what are

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<v Speaker 1>the Palestinians saying about all this? The technocratic government made

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<v Speaker 1>up of Pastine bureaucrats, is saying it's committed to a

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<v Speaker 1>reconstruction of Gaza that is rooted in quote, peace, democracy

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<v Speaker 1>and justice. The Palestinian Authority, the largely illegitimate and undemocratic

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<v Speaker 1>governance body that apparently governs the West Bank somehow and

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<v Speaker 1>represents Palestinians. They're putting out statements welcoming the Board of

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<v Speaker 1>Peace and Trump's vision, maybe because they think this will

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<v Speaker 1>earn them a seat at the table, or maybe it's

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<v Speaker 1>a way to sideline their main opposition, Hamas in whatever

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<v Speaker 1>crumbs of Palestine they're allowed to control in the future.

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<v Speaker 1>Hamas has said in a statement that they also welcome

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<v Speaker 1>the formation of the Administrative Committee for the Gaza Strip

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<v Speaker 1>to quote achieve comm in Gaza, while noting that they

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<v Speaker 1>are working with mediators to get to the next stage

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<v Speaker 1>of the ceasefire, and they accuse Zuel of trying to

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<v Speaker 1>break the ceasefire agreement. The Israeli government ironically rejects any

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<v Speaker 1>Palestinian involvement, even at the technocratic level, and have vowed

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<v Speaker 1>to take it up with their friend Trump and the

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<v Speaker 1>Palestinian people. Well, here is Gazen journalist Hintrodare of Al

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<v Speaker 1>Jazir English.

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<v Speaker 2>And what has been the reaction in Gaza to that

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<v Speaker 2>announcement of a move to Phase two.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, just like you said, it an announcement, a symbolic

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<v Speaker 4>announcement to Phase two.

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<v Speaker 5>Palatinians did not see anything on the ground. There's no change.

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<v Speaker 4>And despite all of that, we're still hearing drones as

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<v Speaker 4>you can hear in the background. We also heard a

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<v Speaker 4>couple of explosions since the early hours of the morning,

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<v Speaker 4>where demolishings are still going on across the Gazza strip,

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<v Speaker 4>especially after the yellow line. Palatinians are frustrated, They're very disappointed.

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<v Speaker 5>They thought that Phase two.

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<v Speaker 4>Would give them the freedom of movement, that would give

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<v Speaker 4>them reconstruction of Gaza would also give them a little

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<v Speaker 4>bit of what they lost. But on the ground, nothing happened,

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<v Speaker 4>nothing changed. What we know so far is there are

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<v Speaker 4>fifteen members that have been approved.

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<v Speaker 5>On to be ruling Gaza.

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<v Speaker 4>But there are a lot of questions and concerns this

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<v Speaker 4>is going to happen. What is going to happen to

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<v Speaker 4>the people here? The reconstruction, the rough crossing thousands who

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<v Speaker 4>need to get education and also people who need to

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<v Speaker 4>travel abroad to either get their treatment to get.

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<v Speaker 5>To reunite with their family.

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<v Speaker 4>So there's a lot of questions, but mainly there is

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of frustration because there's nothing changing on the ground.

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<v Speaker 1>People in Gaza are beyond exhaustion. Everyone wants some path

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<v Speaker 1>forward out of this nightmare. But I really don't think,

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<v Speaker 1>for all the reasons I described here today, that this

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<v Speaker 1>is it and we shouldn't let them, the Trumps and

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<v Speaker 1>Orbonds and billionaires of the world, get away with the

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<v Speaker 1>narrative that they're peacemakers and that apparently this is all

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<v Speaker 1>in the name of tolerance and peace. That's it for

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<v Speaker 1>me today. Thank you for listening, and hope you're all

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<v Speaker 1>staying safe.

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