1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,240 Speaker 1: Blood on the Tracks is the production of I Heart 2 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: Radio and Double Elvis. Bob Dylan was a musical genius 3 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 1: and one of the greatest songwriters of all time. He 4 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: didn't follow leaders. He chased that thin, wild mercury sound. 5 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: He never looked back. Even as the times changed, and 6 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: as the times changed, Bob Dylan changed. He tried on 7 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: and discarded identities like they were mass He transformed. He 8 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 1: transfigured in Somewhere along the way, the Bob Dylan that 9 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: you thought you knew died. This is his story once again. 10 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 1: This is doctor ed Sailor. Is now day five, August six. 11 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 1: I just finished my review of the patient Robert Zimmerman, 12 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 1: a k a. Bob Dylan here at my home in Middletown, 13 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 1: New York. The laceration to his leg is healing nicely. 14 00:00:57,960 --> 00:00:59,959 Speaker 1: It's an injury so minor that I've failed to eat 15 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: mentioned it so far. I mentioned it now because everything 16 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:06,400 Speaker 1: else seems to be returning to normal. As for Bob himself, 17 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:10,320 Speaker 1: I'm afraid he's not in the best shape mentally speaking. 18 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:13,960 Speaker 1: He's struggling to process what seems like a minor accident. 19 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: He's not sleeping, something I've tried to rectify with more morphine. 20 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 1: I shall, however, review this over the coming days, as 21 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: it seems to have brought on more hallucinations. Only this 22 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:36,680 Speaker 1: morning he was claiming he's seen Jesus Christ, our savior. 23 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:40,919 Speaker 1: That's who I'm talking about. Being noticed can be a burden. 24 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 1: Jesus got himself crucified because he got himself noticed. That's 25 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 1: why I change a lot when you think about it. 26 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 1: No matter which way you look, Jesus is the answer. 27 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: He died for sinners, and through his death he paid 28 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 1: for all us ends. I've been touched by Jesus physically. 29 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: Did you know that it happened? I didn't imagine it. 30 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 1: It changed me forever. Sometimes you have to be directed 31 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 1: by a higher power, gotta serve somebody. You make yourself 32 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: in this life, but you can be informed by those 33 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 1: who have a broader perspective. Christ entered my life in 34 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:31,239 Speaker 1: the late nineteen seventies. His words and actions gave me comfort, knowledge, 35 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 1: salvation for everyone else. For those who didn't believe me, 36 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:39,640 Speaker 1: they just saw it as fresh blood on the tracks. 37 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: Chapter five, Bob Dylan is born again. The prayer of 38 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise 39 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 1: him up. And if he hath committed sins, they shall 40 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: be forgiven. I'm sure you've seen by now that transfiguration 41 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: can come in many forms. It can be physical, it 42 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: can come through song, through lifestyle, but it can also 43 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 1: come through faith. I was born into the Jewish faith, 44 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: and it's something that I've taken great wisdom from. I 45 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: was bar mitzvahed two, but later in my life I 46 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 1: began to have an interest in Christianity religious transfiguration. If 47 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: you will now, let me make this clear. The teachings 48 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 1: of God, the Bible, Jesus were in my work before 49 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: in the same way they are in my work after. 50 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: They've been one of the few constants in fact, but 51 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: for a brief time, those teachings dominated my music completely. 52 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: A rock and roll preacher, that's what they called me. 53 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: In a way, spreading the good news was the most 54 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: rock and roll thing to do. Jesus Christ I preached 55 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: for three years, just like Jesus himself. Not that I'm 56 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,840 Speaker 1: comparing myself to him, of course. Sure I've sold more 57 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: records than him, but he did save us all, so 58 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:41,719 Speaker 1: I think he wins this round point. Being the Bible 59 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:43,719 Speaker 1: and the Lord have always been there in my songs. 60 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: I mean, I mentioned the Devil in the first verse 61 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: of the first song on my first album, Go and 62 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: Look it Up. It's there Christ entered my life. Look 63 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 1: at the John Wesley Harding album too. That one's got 64 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 1: lots of the Good Book in it. But no one 65 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 1: had a problem with that when it came out. They 66 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 1: loved it. In fact, even Elvis himself said, rock and 67 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: roll is basically just gospel music or gospel music mixed 68 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:14,159 Speaker 1: with rhythm and blues, so it's a wonder. There was 69 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 1: such a big backlash when I started singing about Jesus 70 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 1: and Christianity overtly. People thought I was preaching at them, 71 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:24,840 Speaker 1: but I was just offering a point of view like 72 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: I've been offered when I first started going to church. 73 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: Being noticed it could be a burden. The shift in 74 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: my work came on the album's Slow Train, Coming Saved 75 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: and Shot of Love. Those are albums I still get 76 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 1: behind to this day, but other people, other people couldn't 77 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: get behind them. I still can't to this day. Even 78 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: John Lennon had an issue with it. I didn't imagine it. 79 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:55,040 Speaker 1: John Lennon, Mr. Peace and Love wrote a song called 80 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 1: Serve Yourself Have you ever heard that, not a lot 81 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: of people have. It's only a demo. It's rough, like 82 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:06,720 Speaker 1: a sketch, very punk, very angry. You got to hand 83 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:08,359 Speaker 1: it to John and he could write a song, but 84 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: the subject matter that was less appealing to me. He 85 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: wrote it as a reply to my song Gotta Serve 86 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 1: Somebody a little glib pardy agitated swipe at my interest 87 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: in Jesus. He was rattled and why did he care 88 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:29,039 Speaker 1: so much about what I was singing about. Maybe he 89 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 1: wanted a little revenge for my song fourth time Around, 90 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 1: which was a friendly dig at his Norwegian wood. Who knows. 91 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: Despite a lot of reactions like that, I still went 92 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 1: ahead and spread the word of the Lord on those 93 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: three albums in the three gospel tours to promote them. 94 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: Jesus the Answer. Some shows on those tours reminded me 95 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 1: of that Newport Folk Festivals show, which is funny because 96 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:56,280 Speaker 1: with my message, I was being the complete opposite of 97 00:06:56,360 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: Judas really, but some of the crowd just didn't get 98 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 1: at it. It's not what they came to see, it's 99 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 1: not what they wanted to see. I was singing about 100 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: the same things I was singing about before, just in 101 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: a different way, but they couldn't see it, and that 102 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 1: wasn't my problem. But it is your problem. It's our problem. 103 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 1: Shut up. Like I was saying, those shows, I wouldn't 104 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: change them, same for those albums. What an artist can't 105 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: change and adapt? Transfiguration moves in mysterious ways. You can't 106 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 1: always decide how it moves and how you change. T 107 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 1: Bone Burnett, David Mansfield, Stephen souls Bono, all those guys 108 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 1: found salvation like me, differences. No one gave them a 109 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 1: hard time. We're different. You know that. You shut up. 110 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: The question I asked all the time is why why 111 00:07:57,360 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 1: did I start singing about Jesus and the Lord so 112 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 1: intense sleep? Why did I embrace Christianity? I had my reasons, 113 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: and we'll get to them in time, but let me 114 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 1: tell you right now, it was not because I was 115 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: having a personal crisis. I've seen that written lots of 116 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 1: times before. People think you find religion when you're down 117 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 1: and out, Well, not me. Is that some kind of joke. 118 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: Don't listen to him. Our personal life wasn't in crisis. 119 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 1: Our personal life was fine. We had three girlfriends at 120 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 1: once Helen could have been five. Don't use that word. 121 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: Hell yeah, that word. Don't talk about private matters either. 122 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 1: Our relationships broke up. So what broke up? We ruined them. 123 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:48,319 Speaker 1: We were on a self DESTRUCTI mission with our private life. 124 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:55,679 Speaker 1: How so February ninety seven, remember Malcolm, our girlfriend at 125 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 1: the time sat around the breakfast table, the family breakfast table. 126 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 1: Then our wife came in. How would you feel if 127 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 1: you came down and saw the person you were married 128 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 1: to sitting with his lover around the breakfast table with 129 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 1: your kids. That was your idea, It was your idea, 130 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 1: and then you screamed at her. All right, our marriage 131 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 1: fell apart. That's not unusual. Every relationship we had at 132 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 1: the time fell apart. Then there's the drugs and drink 133 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 1: here we go. Yeah, you can act like that when 134 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 1: you're twenty one. But might I remind you of our profession. 135 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 1: Oh then there's the film Bobby and Sarah whatever we 136 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 1: call it. My god, that fucking film it was called 137 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: Ronaldo and Clara. How much time do we waste on that? 138 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 1: How much money it? It was? We were such a 139 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: mess that you wanted to stay on tour because you 140 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: couldn't bear to go home. That's the truth, isn't it? Pathetic, 141 00:09:55,400 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 1: a little boy lost. Okay, you've made your point. Look 142 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 1: it's true it wasn't the best time for me personally 143 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 1: or professionally. But I still dispute that I was lost. 144 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 1: I wasn't so much searching for something more, just stumbling around. 145 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: My girlfriend at the time, one of our many girlfriends, Yes, 146 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 1: one of our many girlfriends, Mary Alice Artees she was 147 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 1: born again. Whatever that meant. Sometimes you have to be 148 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 1: directed by a higher power. But a lot of what 149 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 1: she had to say seemed to be true to me. 150 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 1: It resonated with me. I'd come to see, there's no 151 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 1: right and left. There's just truth and untruth. There's honesty 152 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 1: and hypocrisy. It's all in the Bible. It's the only 153 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 1: thing that stays true no matter which way you look. 154 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:53,959 Speaker 1: Mary introduced me to the Vineyard Christian Fellowship and Evangelical 155 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 1: Christian Denomination. I met all those guys and we talked. 156 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: I asked them all about the Bible, and they answered 157 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 1: all my questions. They said, if I wanted to know more, 158 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 1: there was a Bible class I could attend. I'd assumed 159 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: i'd be going back on tour soon, and when they 160 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:12,439 Speaker 1: told me the class was going to run for three months. 161 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: I thought they were crazy. I can't give up that 162 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 1: much time. One day, though, I remember waking up. I 163 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: looked at the watch on my nightstand. It was seven am. 164 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 1: I was alone, no family with me, no girlfriend around, 165 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 1: no tour booked, no band. I don't know why, but 166 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 1: I felt compelled to go. It just made sense. There 167 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 1: was something in me that wanted to study, to learn, 168 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:47,439 Speaker 1: to change. That's why I changed a lot. I got 169 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 1: in my car and drove straight to receive it where 170 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 1: the Fellowship's offices were. I stayed for over three months 171 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 1: and learned more than I ever thought possible, comfort, knowledge, salvation. 172 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 1: Towards the end of Mary was baptized in a swimming 173 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:07,680 Speaker 1: pool at the house of a Fellowship pastor. It was 174 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: total immersion. I went and witnessed the whole thing. Not 175 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: long after, I was baptized in the ocean. I've been 176 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 1: touched by Jesus. I felt renewed. I had become a 177 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 1: different man, this time, transfigured by God. But why, Like 178 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 1: I say, everyone asks, why, what happened to spark all 179 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 1: of this? Well, it had all started a year earlier. 180 00:12:37,559 --> 00:13:10,679 Speaker 1: The Lord had given me a sign. If you confess 181 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 1: with your mouth Jesus is Lord, and believe in your 182 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:17,440 Speaker 1: heart that God raised him from the dead. You will 183 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 1: be saved. For it is with your heart that you 184 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth 185 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 1: that you confess and are saved. The air was thick 186 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 1: inside the arena that night. I never understood that expression before, 187 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 1: but that night it was thick like smog, hot and close. 188 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: Well that's how it felt to me. Anyway. We were 189 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: playing in San Diego, one of those giant places. That's 190 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 1: how we did that to all arenas and champagne and 191 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 1: parties no matter which way you look. I kept turning 192 00:13:57,120 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 1: to Billy Cross, my lead guitar player. I kept asking 193 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 1: him if it was hot. No, Bob, he kept saying, God, 194 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 1: it was so hot. I've never known heat like that. 195 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 1: It was like I was staring at Hell cloaked in fur. 196 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 1: After a while, they moved one of those big fans 197 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 1: next to the stage and pointed it right at us. 198 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: The rest of the band were shivering, but me, I 199 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 1: was on fire. Jesus Christ. I had felt unwell for 200 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: a while. Touring can do that to you, but this 201 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 1: felt ten times worse than anything I've felt before that night, 202 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 1: I'd slid into some sort of feverish existence. When it 203 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 1: was time to play Maggie's Farm, I remember I couldn't 204 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 1: stop talking. I blurted out some old rubbish like I 205 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 1: was invited to play the Newport Folk festist. They invited 206 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 1: me three times. I played this song the last time 207 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 1: I was there. They never did invite me back. I 208 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 1: don't hold any grudges anyway. Sometimes I told this man 209 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 1: up here who asked me about the song, sometimes the 210 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: whole world looks to me like Maggie's Farm. Sometimes I 211 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 1: I ain't gonna work on Maggie's Farm no more. I 212 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 1: couldn't stop talking. Between the songs, I was rambling. I 213 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: felt compelled to talk. Things were just coming to me. 214 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 1: I was getting hotter and hotter as the show went on. 215 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 1: A fever had started to grip my body. I felt 216 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 1: like I was succumbing to it. I didn't imagine it 217 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: before the song signor. I stood in front of the 218 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 1: giant fan and didn't feel a thing, nothing. It was 219 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 1: like a bonfire. I started to ramble again. I took 220 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 1: a train once from Monterey, Chihuahua, up to San Diego, 221 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 1: I said crowd cheered. This guy was sitting next to 222 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 1: me on the rain, a man wearing a blanket. He 223 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 1: his eyes were burning up. It was there was smoke 224 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 1: coming out of his nostrils. I thought I'd talked to him. 225 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 1: When I turned around to look at him, he was gone. 226 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 1: The crowd cheered again. Could they not see the state 227 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 1: I was in? Do they not notice? I was making 228 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 1: less sense as the night wore on. Being noticed can 229 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 1: be a burden. We played the song and I felt 230 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 1: even worse. In fact, I wasn't sure i'd be standing 231 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: by the end of it. The final notes rang out, 232 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 1: and I felt like something was seriously wrong. I took 233 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 1: a few steps forward, the sweat from my head dripping 234 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 1: onto the stage floor. As I walked, A white mist 235 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 1: appeared in the corner of my vision, and the loud 236 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 1: sounds of the arena slowly disappeared. It all sounded like 237 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: I was under water. I felt my body about to 238 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 1: give away, But then something caught my eye high power. 239 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 1: Someone had thrown something onto the stage. Now, people throw 240 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 1: things onto the stage all the time. It's not usually 241 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 1: too bad. Tom Jones got panties. I'm more likely to 242 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 1: get a paperback. But this time it was something small, 243 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:20,360 Speaker 1: something silver. It caught the light as it lay there. 244 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 1: It looked closer and saw that it was a silver cross. 245 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 1: Christ injured my life. Now. Usually I don't pick anything 246 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:32,200 Speaker 1: up that is thrown on the stage. But the way 247 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 1: this cross caught the light, it lured me in and 248 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:39,880 Speaker 1: the feverish heat. This cross looks so cool, It looked calming. 249 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 1: It looked like salvation. Jesus is the answer. I bent down, 250 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 1: picked it up and placed it in my pocket. Twenty 251 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 1: four hours later and I was on another stage and 252 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 1: another arena. This time it was Arizona. I felt even worse. 253 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:01,119 Speaker 1: I was feverish again. I saw dots in front of 254 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:04,159 Speaker 1: my eyes. Made me think of those flashes from the 255 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: camera bulbs way back at the Newport Folk Festival. Images 256 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 1: from that day began to flash into my mind. Then 257 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:14,640 Speaker 1: I saw the road in Woodstock where I rode my motorcycle. 258 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:19,920 Speaker 1: It changed me forever. I smelled the Hell's Angels gasoline. 259 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 1: I saw the blood dashed against the wall of the Lafayette. 260 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:30,359 Speaker 1: That's who I'm talking about. Then I remembered the cross. 261 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 1: I reached into my pocket. It was still there. I 262 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:38,880 Speaker 1: grabbed it and held it tightly holding on for dear life. 263 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 1: Touching it was like a shock to my system. When 264 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 1: I touched it, like a needle in my arm. Touched 265 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 1: by Jesus, my fever slowly came down. I began to 266 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:59,880 Speaker 1: see properly in both senses. I was slowly brought to life. 267 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:01,920 Speaker 1: After the show, I put the cross around my neck. 268 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:06,679 Speaker 1: It transfigured me. I ended up wearing it for the 269 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 1: rest of that tour. It even influenced the songs we 270 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 1: played during the shows. I changed the lyrics to some 271 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:16,920 Speaker 1: of those songs straight away, Tangled Up in Blue, for example, 272 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:20,199 Speaker 1: In that song, I mentioned a mysterious lady in a 273 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 1: topless bar, quoting an Italian poet from the century. But 274 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 1: live with that cross around my neck, I changed the 275 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: lyrics to her, quoting the Bible, the Gospel according to Matthew, 276 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:37,160 Speaker 1: to be precise, That's who I'm talking about. It felt right. 277 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: Even my songs transfigured along with me. I knew something 278 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 1: had changed on that tour, something seismic. But what I 279 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:49,199 Speaker 1: didn't know was the Lord was just getting started with me. 280 00:19:50,400 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 1: Soon we'd meet. We'll be right back after this. Were 281 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 1: were were? The Lord blesses thee and keeps thee. The 282 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:15,159 Speaker 1: Lord make his face to shine upon thee, and be 283 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 1: gracious unto thee, and gives the peace. Tucson, Tucson, Arizona. 284 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 1: That's where it happened. That's where my life changed forever. 285 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 1: If you could have given me a million guesses as 286 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 1: to where my life would alter beyond all recognition, I 287 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 1: never would have said Tucson, Arizona. But it's true. I 288 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 1: didn't imagine it. We were playing another show, another arena. 289 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 1: Although my fever had improved, I still wasn't right. I 290 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 1: was still being eaten up by something. Before we played Seor, 291 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 1: I told the same story on the stage, the one 292 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 1: about the man on the train, that man with the 293 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 1: smoke coming out of his nostrils and whose eyes were 294 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 1: burning up. I couldn't stop thinking about him. The whole 295 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 1: scene kept coming into my mind. That's what I'm talking about. 296 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:12,159 Speaker 1: I saw him in my dreams and in my waking 297 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 1: hours too. I was haunted by him. I didn't even 298 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 1: know who or what he was. On stage, I started 299 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 1: to feel dizzy again. The heat had returned, and I 300 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:29,160 Speaker 1: felt my temperature rocket all Just after thinking about him. 301 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,399 Speaker 1: I reached into my pocket and found the cross again 302 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 1: I clutched it tight, but this time it didn't help 303 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 1: like it had before. I knew I needed to up 304 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 1: my dose, so I took it out of my pocket 305 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:43,440 Speaker 1: and put it around my neck for all to see. 306 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 1: You make yourself in this. As soon as I put 307 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:52,640 Speaker 1: it there, the cross leveled me out. This tour had 308 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 1: been draining. Where the motorcycle crash and woodstock back in 309 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,959 Speaker 1: sixty six had slowed my life down, my life had 310 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 1: regained its velocity. By this point. I was once again 311 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 1: reaching breakneck speed directed by a higher power. But the cross, 312 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:13,360 Speaker 1: the cross brought calm to me, to my world, to everything. 313 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 1: The rest of the show sailed by, I was feeling 314 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:21,360 Speaker 1: better and better that night. When I was driven back 315 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 1: to the hotel, they let me out at the front entrance. 316 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 1: I didn't go in. I just stood in the parking lot, 317 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,359 Speaker 1: breathing the fresh air and gulps, with my new cross 318 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:35,359 Speaker 1: firmly around my neck. The parking lot was large and 319 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:37,880 Speaker 1: dimly litten. As I stared out into it, I could 320 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:44,160 Speaker 1: see something someone an old man with well. He looked 321 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 1: like he had a kind of blanket over him. Right 322 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 1: there on the other side of the lot. He looked 323 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 1: like the thing from that train. I ran to where 324 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:56,359 Speaker 1: I had seen him, but he'd already gone. I searched 325 00:22:56,400 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 1: the parking lot over and over, but nothing. After looking 326 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,639 Speaker 1: for almost an hour, I gave up. Being noticed can 327 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 1: be a burden. I thought it must be lack of 328 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 1: sleep that was making me think this way, so I 329 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:12,119 Speaker 1: called it a night. I made my way to my room, 330 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,679 Speaker 1: walking quickly down the long hotel corridor. It was so quiet. 331 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,880 Speaker 1: All I could hear were my footsteps. I don't know why, 332 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 1: but I became aware that I was tensing up. Every 333 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 1: door I passed seemed to make me more and more tense. 334 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 1: The faster I walked, the more doors I passed, the 335 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,879 Speaker 1: more tense I became. I thought I felt breath on 336 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,879 Speaker 1: my neck. I felt like I could feel eyes on 337 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 1: me too. I pulled the cross off my neck and 338 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,399 Speaker 1: held it tightly in my hand as I walked faster 339 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,200 Speaker 1: and faster down the corridor. By the time I came 340 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 1: to my room, I was out of breath, partly due 341 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 1: to my pace, but also due to my rising anxiety. No, 342 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:58,920 Speaker 1: not anxiety, terror, Jesus Christ. I fumbled with my room key, 343 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 1: but I dropped it. I could feel that breath again. 344 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:06,120 Speaker 1: I spun around, but there was nothing. I clumsily picked 345 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:09,119 Speaker 1: up the key and threw open the door. As it 346 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 1: slammed behind me, I ran to the window on the 347 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 1: other side of the room. I pulled the curtains back 348 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:20,959 Speaker 1: and scanned the view silence. My room was facing the 349 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 1: parking lot. I looked all over for that man, but 350 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 1: again nothing. I ran back to the door and peeked 351 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:32,679 Speaker 1: through the spy hole. Nothing. I cursed that fever again. 352 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 1: I thought maybe I should start cleaning up when I 353 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:38,639 Speaker 1: was on the road, start eating properly, cut the booze 354 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 1: and the drugs, maybe even stop touring. Traveling can do 355 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 1: things to your body and mind a lot. I slumped 356 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 1: down onto the bed, holding the cross closely to my chest. 357 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 1: As I closed my eyes, I'd never been more ready 358 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:59,120 Speaker 1: for sleep. The room began to spin again. I thought 359 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:04,920 Speaker 1: the fever was back, but I was wrong. The bed 360 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 1: rumbled beneath me. I felt a huge movement, like the 361 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 1: world around me was splitting in two. But I can't 362 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 1: explain it. The world itself, the physical world was normal, 363 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: but the spiritual world was splitting, moving changing somehow all 364 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 1: around me. Sometimes you have to be directed by a 365 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 1: higher power. I thought it must be that that thing, 366 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,399 Speaker 1: that man with the smoke coming out of his nostrils. 367 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 1: But it felt different. This felt comforting. My temperature was 368 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: rising again, my heart began to pound. I kept my 369 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 1: eyes closed and held the cross. Instantly I felt a presence. 370 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 1: I knew what it was straightaway. No one had to 371 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,640 Speaker 1: spell it out for me. It couldn't have been anybody 372 00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:02,679 Speaker 1: but Jesus. I knew it was him, Christ, Lord of Lords, 373 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 1: King of kings. He was in that room with me. 374 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 1: Jesus is the answer. I lay there, stunned. I could 375 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:16,159 Speaker 1: feel him all around me, moving around the room. There 376 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 1: was a silent grace to it all. I placed the 377 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 1: cross on my chest and basked in the glory of it. 378 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 1: I've been touched by Jesus. His presence was confirmed to 379 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 1: me in a physical way when I felt a hand 380 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:36,120 Speaker 1: on me. I actually physically felt it physically. It started 381 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 1: in the center of my body. Then I felt it 382 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 1: all everywhere, covering me, cleansing me. The room was spinning quickly. 383 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:50,400 Speaker 1: Now my whole body was trembling too. I could feel 384 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 1: the cross starting to rattle between my chest and my hand. 385 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 1: With my eyes shut tight. I let it all pass 386 00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 1: over me, and then it stopped. I opened my eyes 387 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 1: and the quiet had returned. The room was empty. There 388 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:13,679 Speaker 1: was nothing around me, no bright light, no apparition, no angels, nothing. 389 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,359 Speaker 1: I looked at the hotel bed and it was covered 390 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:21,160 Speaker 1: in sweat, but my body was dry. The fever had 391 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:25,200 Speaker 1: gone down, my temperature and heart rate had returned to normal. 392 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 1: The glory of the Lord knocked me down and picked 393 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:33,119 Speaker 1: me up. It changed me forever. I truly had a 394 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,439 Speaker 1: born again experience. If you want to call it that, 395 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 1: don't believe me, That's fine. People have told me ever 396 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 1: since that they don't believe the Lord himself was present 397 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,879 Speaker 1: with me in that room that night. I can't prove 398 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,919 Speaker 1: anything to anyone except to say that I saw the 399 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 1: world differently after that. As for the rest of the evening, 400 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:03,159 Speaker 1: I didn't sleep at all. Sometime in the small hours, 401 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,679 Speaker 1: I opened up a drawer on the nightstand. Sliding to 402 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,480 Speaker 1: the front of the drawer as I did, was a 403 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:13,359 Speaker 1: small King James Bible. I opened it and read. I 404 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 1: read for so long that the only thing that took 405 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 1: my eyes off those pages was a knock at my 406 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,199 Speaker 1: door telling me we had to move on to the 407 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 1: next show, Comfort, Knowledge and Salvation. We were heading to 408 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 1: El Paso, Texas. The show wasn't until the next day, 409 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 1: so I spent the next twenty four hours reading that 410 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:37,239 Speaker 1: little Bible constantly. My life had begun again. I had 411 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 1: experienced rebirth before, but nothing like this. This time it 412 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 1: was from the Lord. It felt like that cross would 413 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 1: never leave my neck. I was the property of Jesus 414 00:28:48,000 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 1: now A Pastor Ken Gullikson took a deep breath. He 415 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 1: stood in the wings of the stage at the Arrowhead 416 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 1: Pond in Anaheim, California. His brain went into intense focus, 417 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 1: as it always does in this moment, the moment before 418 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 1: he had to address the sea of faces looking back 419 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 1: at him, sixteen thousand faces that hung on his every word, 420 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 1: the word of God. Pastor Gullikson heard his name announced 421 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:51,479 Speaker 1: and walked confidently to the stage. He was blinded by 422 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 1: the bright house lights. Sixteen thou people cheer him on. 423 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 1: Good evening, friends, he said. He spoke that day at 424 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 1: the Jesus p Bull Reunion. It was his usual rallying sermon. 425 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 1: Pastor Gullikson as a knack for speaking to people at 426 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 1: events like these. It made him feel like a rock star. 427 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,240 Speaker 1: He commands the stage like an illusionist and has the 428 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 1: charisma of a Hollywood a listern. And by the time 429 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 1: he finished, the crowd went wild, like he just performed 430 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 1: a grand opera. Thank you and may God be with you, 431 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 1: he bellowed, and then he left the stage. Pastor Gullikson's 432 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,480 Speaker 1: performance was done, but he was already dreading what was 433 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 1: coming next. A journalist from the Assist News service sat 434 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 1: waiting for Pastor Gullikson in a sofa lined backstage area. 435 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,960 Speaker 1: His dictaphone was at the ready. The journalists had requested 436 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:50,240 Speaker 1: an interview some weeks ago, and the pastor knew why 437 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 1: these news requests were always for the same reason, the 438 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 1: same person, Pastor Gullikson's most famous of students. Four minutes 439 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 1: into the interview, it happened. Can we talk about Bob Dylan, 440 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 1: the journalists asked, trying to sound off hand. Pastor Gulliksen 441 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 1: looked at his watch. Only took the guy four minutes 442 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 1: to say the D word. The journalists asked how Pastor 443 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 1: Gulliksen came to teach one of the biggest stars in 444 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 1: the world all about the Bible. The pastor responded with 445 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 1: a well rehearsed, carefully crafted story about a short time 446 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 1: with Bob Dylan, like a good joke. The pastor knew 447 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 1: the beats of the story inside out. He paused to 448 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 1: add drama at various points, and through in a couple 449 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 1: of embellished truths to sensationalize. He executed this story perfectly, 450 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 1: just as he had done for more than two decades now. 451 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 1: The journalists then suggested that Dylan had lost his faith. 452 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,920 Speaker 1: God is not through with him yet, smiled the pastor, 453 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 1: maintaining a relaxed exterior, I would ask people to really 454 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,600 Speaker 1: intercede for Bob to pray without ceasing, that God will 455 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 1: access his heart so that he would be open responding 456 00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 1: again to the truth. Sensing that's poll quotes were about 457 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,560 Speaker 1: to materialize, the journalist moved his dictaphone closer to the 458 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 1: pastor and then asked the next question, do you think 459 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 1: Dylan is still on a spiritual journey? Pastor Glickson's tone 460 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 1: became serious as he responded directly into the dictaphone. I 461 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,240 Speaker 1: believe he is on a greater search than ever. He's 462 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 1: getting older and he's struggling with what is the most 463 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 1: real being Bob Dylan having this acclaim or having a 464 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:30,200 Speaker 1: relationship with God. The journalists asked that the pastor had 465 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 1: seen him recently. No, I'm just waiting on the Lord 466 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 1: for the right time to initiate contact. The journalists asked 467 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 1: a final question, was there a particular moment when Bob 468 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 1: Dylan stopped coming to the church? Pastor Gollokson gave a 469 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:53,640 Speaker 1: faint one word reply. No. Nineteen years earlier, Bob Dylan 470 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 1: lay blinking in the sunlight, sweating. In fact, the sweat 471 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 1: poured off of him, but he wasn't running fever. The 472 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 1: hot midday Caribbean sun was the culprit. The sun had 473 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,120 Speaker 1: beat down on this particular part of the ocean for 474 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 1: some time, but now it hit behind a large cloud. 475 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,680 Speaker 1: Dylan slowly sat up and took in a deep breath. 476 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 1: The salty sea air filled his lungs. He jumped up 477 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 1: onto the deck of his boat, the Water Pearl, and 478 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,720 Speaker 1: took stock of his surroundings. He was off the coast 479 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 1: of Martinique, one of the many Caribbean islands he sailed 480 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 1: around that summer. Before the end of that summer, you 481 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 1: get to see them all. He pulled the sail in, 482 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:35,760 Speaker 1: and as he did, he noticed that the wind had 483 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,880 Speaker 1: picked up. The knocking of rope on the masts suddenly 484 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 1: confirmed that the wind had changed. Clouds formed quickly, and 485 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,240 Speaker 1: the pearls large sails began to rattle, and the waves 486 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,000 Speaker 1: started to make the horizon rise and fall while Dylan 487 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 1: listened to the wind whistle. Five minutes later, the whole 488 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:56,960 Speaker 1: scene was transformed. The wind began its attack on the pearl, 489 00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 1: so strong that loose items on the deck were picked 490 00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 1: up and tossed around. A pan of my hat drifted 491 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:04,880 Speaker 1: a few inches across the polished wood in A book 492 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,400 Speaker 1: on the poet Homer lost its page, and the boat's 493 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 1: sails flapped violently. Dylan took a look at the entrance 494 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 1: to the ship's cabin. It looked inviting. He knew he 495 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,200 Speaker 1: could ride out this mini storm in there, if you wanted. 496 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:21,480 Speaker 1: He took a few steps toward, but stopped. He suddenly 497 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:27,120 Speaker 1: realized this was the moment. He moved to the boat's bow, 498 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,040 Speaker 1: staring straight into the face of the wind. He saw 499 00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 1: other vessels on iron waves in the distance. He rose 500 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,719 Speaker 1: up to his modest but full height and stretched out 501 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:39,480 Speaker 1: his arms. Every muscle and his torso extended. With one 502 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,239 Speaker 1: swift movement, he grabbed the silver cross from around his 503 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,120 Speaker 1: neck and yanked it with full force, causing the chain 504 00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,720 Speaker 1: to snap. He took one last look at the iconic 505 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 1: symbol and launched it into the air. It sailed to 506 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:54,320 Speaker 1: the wind and crashed into the Caribbean Sea. Bob Dylan 507 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,799 Speaker 1: stood on the ship as the wind blew through him. 508 00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:03,360 Speaker 1: It was peaceful. An hour later, back in the sunshine 509 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,960 Speaker 1: on solid Land and Martinique, Dylan made a phone call 510 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,040 Speaker 1: from the harbor's booth. His booking agent was on the 511 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:14,200 Speaker 1: other line. Dylan agreed to his next project, a musical 512 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,720 Speaker 1: retrospective tour, a run of shows that would combine Dylan's 513 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,840 Speaker 1: secular music with his religious songs. Over the next few weeks, 514 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,640 Speaker 1: another new composition would be added to the rehearsal set 515 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:29,680 Speaker 1: list too, Caribbean Wind. Bob Dylan's so called born Again 516 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,680 Speaker 1: phase had come to an end. Like all his faces, 517 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:37,880 Speaker 1: he had shown another side of himself, another transfiguration, another 518 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:42,280 Speaker 1: creative rebirth. It had added to his artistic integrity, challenged 519 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,759 Speaker 1: his fans, and left a whole lot of blood on 520 00:35:45,840 --> 00:36:02,960 Speaker 1: the tracks. M Blood on the Tracks produced by Double 521 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:06,560 Speaker 1: Elvis in partnership with I Heart Radio. It's hosted an 522 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:10,640 Speaker 1: executive produced by me Jake Brennan, also executive produced by 523 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:14,600 Speaker 1: Brady sath. Zeth Lundie is lead editor and producer. 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