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Speaker 1: thirty five days from now. So yeah, you're exactly right.
Speaker 1: We start watching these guys. I was gonna say, where
Speaker 1: it come out? When does Dane's book come out? And
Speaker 1: look those guys up, I said, first day or first
Speaker 1: week of April? Is what you said at the combines.
Speaker 1: I can tell you everything you need to know about
Speaker 1: like the first one hundred and twenty guys, but like
Speaker 1: the round six round set Dane Dane Brugler need your book,
Speaker 1: please listen. We are a user driven show, a listener
Speaker 1: driven show. That's the goal anyway. So I had a
Speaker 1: whole I had a fun idea for a first segment
Speaker 1: planned out. I hope we have time for it later
Speaker 1: on in the show. But I'm just gonna give the
Speaker 1: people what they want. Guys, Jeff Kavanaugh, Brian brought us,
Speaker 1: Kyle Yeomans forgot about that, says sky More. No, it's
Speaker 1: not Skymore. Got that out of the way. I say
Speaker 1: to the chiefs or the packers. I hated a lot.
Speaker 1: You have a thousand yard rookie year. No, we're gonna
Speaker 1: talk about the opposite of Sky Moore, a guy from
Speaker 1: a big school who plays on defense and scround. We
Speaker 1: have been hearing everything about in case you Live under
Speaker 1: a Rock. The Cowboys were in Oxford, Mississippi for Old
Speaker 1: Missus Pro Day yesterday, and guys, I just can't stop
Speaker 1: fielding questions about Sam Williams, and I think it's it's
Speaker 1: it's enough. It's one thing when coaches and scouts show
Speaker 1: up to a pro day, that's what they're supposed to do.
Speaker 1: But Dan Quinn leads the Old miss Edge Rusher in
Speaker 1: positional drills. At his pro day, he goes to talk
Speaker 1: to the media, brings his son along and talks about
Speaker 1: how they've been all over him, about how he's talked
Speaker 1: to Jerry Jones. Jerry Jones thinks he could help Micah Parsons.
Speaker 1: So I get it. I get the curiosity about this guy,
Speaker 1: and so I'd like to lead the show off with
Speaker 1: a conversation about Sam Williams. What do you know? What
Speaker 1: do you think he bad? He ran a four four six,
Speaker 1: so there being two hundred and sixty pounds and running
Speaker 1: in the four fours is pretty good. And you can
Speaker 1: watch him play against Charles Cross, which I did against
Speaker 1: Mississippi State, and Sam Williams beats him a few times.
Speaker 1: Sure does he is. He's a fast guy who has
Speaker 1: I would say, flashes of power, but consistent tenacity. So
Speaker 1: he beat Charles Cross inside, he straight armed him and
Speaker 1: walked him back to the quarterback. I don't think he's
Speaker 1: necessarily like a nuanced rusher. I think he can get
Speaker 1: better in terms of hand usage and consistent pad level.
Speaker 1: And I don't think he's a bendy guy like a
Speaker 1: lot of times when he tries to win outside he's
Speaker 1: runs himself out of the play and he just runs
Speaker 1: behind the quarterback. But he's a fast big man with
Speaker 1: a good get off, and being fast with a good
Speaker 1: get off also means you can win inside. He's just
Speaker 1: not very bendy, So I Sam Williams to me is
Speaker 1: probably a top sixty to seventy player in this draft,
Speaker 1: and I'm glad I saw so many cowboy things about
Speaker 1: him because I hadn't even seen him yet, because I
Speaker 1: hadn't seen him ranked highly by their people, so I
Speaker 1: hadn't gotten to him yet. He's pretty good. Yeah we heard,
Speaker 1: We've heard the name on and off, but yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean nothing, nothing will kick that conversation into overdrive like
Speaker 1: hearing and seeing that level of interest from the team. Brian,
Speaker 1: what do you think now? I tell you what. This
Speaker 1: guy makes a ton of plays from the backside, and
Speaker 1: you could watch if you watch. The Liberty game is
Speaker 1: a really good example of this, when Willis is trying
Speaker 1: to go forward in the pocket and he comes around
Speaker 1: behind him and there's some indecision in that pocket and
Speaker 1: then boom, you got a guy that's closed. And I
Speaker 1: think Jeff's got the player right. I did see a
Speaker 1: little bit more power. In that Auburn game. There were
Speaker 1: some times where like they were trying to run the
Speaker 1: ball at him and he stoned the tackle, got rid
Speaker 1: of him and then made a tackle for loss. Right there,
Speaker 1: I thought was because I was interested in how much
Speaker 1: power the guy could really play with. I always say
Speaker 1: this about a guy. I mean when the especially guy
Speaker 1: that gives great effort, This guy doesn't give up on plays.
Speaker 1: I mean he when you could see whether it's you know,
Speaker 1: the Auburn game, A and M Liberty games and games
Speaker 1: I watched, I mean you could see him just constantly
Speaker 1: trying to get to the ball, and I think that's
Speaker 1: something is a defensive end, you know, you could appreciate
Speaker 1: about him. So, you know, I think there is a
Speaker 1: little bit of an element of the slipperiness to his game.
Speaker 1: You know, Jeff's right, I don't think he's super bendy,
Speaker 1: but I think there's some things that you could see
Speaker 1: him dip his shoulder and get underneath the tackle and
Speaker 1: then kind of redirect to the ball. So I could
Speaker 1: see why the Cowboys like him. I could see why
Speaker 1: dan Quinn went and worked him out. And it's funny
Speaker 1: because going back to mobile He was not on the
Speaker 1: initial Senior Bowl roster. He was a late edition after
Speaker 1: somebody ended up believing it might have been Jermaine Johnson,
Speaker 1: but I think he was there even before that. But
Speaker 1: he comes out and he's in this white helmet. He's
Speaker 1: not even in the old miss helmet. It's just a
Speaker 1: plain white radell helmet, and he's running. He's got the
Speaker 1: number seven. There's not even a name on the back
Speaker 1: of his jersey. And I was sitting around a group
Speaker 1: of guys and we're all kind of looking down here
Speaker 1: at this edge rusher drill and we're saying, who is
Speaker 1: that guy? Yeah, who does that? Where did he come from?
Speaker 1: Because he's not on the roster, he's not he doesn't
Speaker 1: have a helmet. Who is he? And ultimately it ended
Speaker 1: up being Sam Williams and the Bendinus. Like you said,
Speaker 1: it's not one there, Jeff. But I think he's got
Speaker 1: a little more ben than people given credit for, and
Speaker 1: the athleticism, the strength, they're certainly where it needs to be.
Speaker 1: I kind of think he looks like a poor man's
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory, where the versatility is there and there's multiple
Speaker 1: things that he could do from a from an edge
Speaker 1: Rusher standpoint, don't ever go to NFL dot com. If
Speaker 1: you go to NFL dot com at playing something automatically,
Speaker 1: that's okay. I gotta get those things. I was gonna
Speaker 1: try and just talk right through. But while I thought
Speaker 1: you did an adamiral job, thanks to be fair. People
Speaker 1: talking my ear while I'm trying to broadcast part. So
Speaker 1: it's part of what it goes. But yeah, I think
Speaker 1: he's a good player, and I think if you had
Speaker 1: to comp him, he's a poor man's Randy Gregory. I
Speaker 1: think I have two thoughts. One, we first talked about
Speaker 1: Sam Williams at the Combine when Dane was filling in
Speaker 1: for YouTube gentleman who couldn't make the trip, which we
Speaker 1: all do it our best, we all, we all put
Speaker 1: effort into this. I think we would all agree we're
Speaker 1: not Dane Brugler. The man is a walking encyclopedia. So
Speaker 1: I went back and listened to his scouting report, so
Speaker 1: you don't have to if you don't want to. Was
Speaker 1: a basketball player in high school, came late to football,
Speaker 1: wound up having to go the Juco route. There are
Speaker 1: there are off field issues here, and I think that's
Speaker 1: probably why he's sort of been under the radar, especially
Speaker 1: for a position that gets as much publicity as edge rusher.
Speaker 1: He was suspended in the summer of twenty I believe,
Speaker 1: for a sexual battery charge in the Oxford area. It
Speaker 1: was dropped. I'm not going to get two into the
Speaker 1: weeds on it because I don't know a whole lot more,
Speaker 1: but I will say we've I mean for I'll try
Speaker 1: to take my words carefully, but the Cowboys are have
Speaker 1: been willing to consider those guys. If you go back
Speaker 1: as recently as last year, Michael Parsons came with maturity
Speaker 1: and off field questions of his own. Josh Ball is
Speaker 1: another one that we've talked about a lot, so I
Speaker 1: don't think that would scare them. I assume they're going
Speaker 1: to do their due diligence on it, but it's something
Speaker 1: to consider just when you're talking about the player or
Speaker 1: something no and then the other thing I want. So
Speaker 1: this just reminds me. It reminds me of DeMarcus Lawrence
Speaker 1: a little bit. To be honest with you, in the
Speaker 1: sense that you're stuck in a spot where the premium
Speaker 1: edge rushers in a class probably won't be there for you.
Speaker 1: At pick twenty four. That's not normal. And everything y'all
Speaker 1: are telling me is this sounds like a guy who
Speaker 1: can address that need later on in the draft hopefully,
Speaker 1: Yeah falls to you. Yeah, I knew. I mean, they're
Speaker 1: probably gonna get him around earlier than I would have him.
Speaker 1: I had him in the third is where I had
Speaker 1: And I think the one guy that the edge rusher,
Speaker 1: the premium edge rusher that you're talking about, that they
Speaker 1: might have taken blew out as Achilles, you know, a
Speaker 1: Jo David jab Jabo. Yeah, I think that he would have.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's the one guy that might
Speaker 1: have slid to him, depending on what they think about
Speaker 1: Johnson from Florida State, But that was the one guy
Speaker 1: that everybody kind of thought might be a first round
Speaker 1: guy that would get to Dallas at twenty four. Initially
Speaker 1: it was about Walker from Georgia and then the workouts
Speaker 1: and stuff, and that's just not going to happen. I
Speaker 1: don't think you're seeing him go as early as top
Speaker 1: five now. Yeah, it's kind of crazy. It's kind of crazy.
Speaker 1: He's a really good player. I mean, he's a really
Speaker 1: good player. But I hope you know, people just you know,
Speaker 1: take the workout, take the tape. Tape's good, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's top five good. And I
Speaker 1: don't want to say I'm surprised by this because it's
Speaker 1: what we've been talking about this entire time. If this
Speaker 1: is going to be an ice cream draft class, right, yep.
Speaker 1: But I actually I've I've been charting some of these
Speaker 1: mock drafts, Like literally yesterday, I just went and I
Speaker 1: compared Daniel Jeremiah's most recent mock to mel Kiper's most
Speaker 1: recent mock to Dane's most recent mock. What are you doing? Oh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: why would I Why would I want to know? What
Speaker 1: are you doing? Who? So? What do you ocd every year? Out? Yeah?
Speaker 1: On a Bobby belt here, just gotta I think it's
Speaker 1: interesting to know how different people value each prospect, and
Speaker 1: the variance is pretty nuts, honestly. Number one, you're right
Speaker 1: about Trayvon Walker. Yeah. And I just wonder though, like
Speaker 1: does group speak take over after a certain point? Like
Speaker 1: is this draft I feel like it's stronger than it
Speaker 1: can't or has been in the past. Yeah, because for
Speaker 1: the most part, because it's so interchangeable. As soon as
Speaker 1: a group of people get enamored with a prospect, it's
Speaker 1: not unlikely that that prospect jumps I really, I really
Speaker 1: think it's even more likely that you see that group
Speaker 1: speak coming to fruition. It usually it usually the change,
Speaker 1: the big shift usually comes after the combine because what
Speaker 1: happens is media scouts will throw their opinions out there early,
Speaker 1: like we have in you know, January February, and then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the scouts will then have words
Speaker 1: with the media scouts, and the media scouts will realize,
Speaker 1: oh I had that guy too high, or oh I
Speaker 1: didn't have that guy enough or high enough. So that's
Speaker 1: where I think that the really, if you look at
Speaker 1: what was said in February March about these guys early March,
Speaker 1: it's going to change after Look just check after the
Speaker 1: combine because a lot of opinions about these players tend
Speaker 1: to change because the scouts didn't get with their buddies
Speaker 1: in the Median say you got this guy wrong or
Speaker 1: you got him right yep, which Jermaine Johnson's another one
Speaker 1: and be honest with yeah, yeah, DJ's got him going
Speaker 1: top ten. Yeah. Danny Kelly another guy who's work I
Speaker 1: really admire from the Ringer has him going twelfth overall. Sure,
Speaker 1: and there's variants, but you just you see the valuation
Speaker 1: of that position specifically. That's what makes me wonder if
Speaker 1: there's a couple of positions here that I think that
Speaker 1: we're all would be completely different on. And you mentioned
Speaker 1: the ice cream reference, and that's about if you know,
Speaker 1: my ice cream flavor is different from mirrors for sure,
Speaker 1: and so yeah, I think there's I think if we
Speaker 1: put all our wide receivers in order, that would be
Speaker 1: completely different. I think if we put all our defensive
Speaker 1: ends maybe with the exception of the top two depending
Speaker 1: on if you you know, like Hutchinson or Thibodeau, whoever
Speaker 1: you like, but other than that behind those guys, I
Speaker 1: think it would be a completely mixed up order. And
Speaker 1: Dallas has done their due diligence on a lot of
Speaker 1: those guys too that are behind that uper echelon, because
Speaker 1: I mean they've met with guys like Drake Jackson, Nick
Speaker 1: Canino Williams. Like we mentioned, it might have had to
Speaker 1: pivot here since they lost Randy Gregory, by the way,
Speaker 1: Sure that might have been that might have been the
Speaker 1: big pivot there, because you know, all of a sudden.
Speaker 1: Maybe you're not thinking about defensive end. Remember we did
Speaker 1: the show here I think it was last week or
Speaker 1: you know, whenever. But when Randy, we all thought Randy
Speaker 1: was signing we did, when we eliminated these defensive ends. Ye,
Speaker 1: now dan Quinn's out working out potentially a second or
Speaker 1: third round defensive end with some a little bit of
Speaker 1: baggage from Mississippi. That's a really good point. I want.
Speaker 1: I mean, I tend to think they might have done
Speaker 1: that anyway. But we said, Jeff, you and I were
Speaker 1: talking about the defensive end rotation that's currently on this
Speaker 1: team on Tuesday, and I was like, yeah, I feel
Speaker 1: fine about that. I would love to like I would
Speaker 1: love to be a on the wall for dan Quinn.
Speaker 1: And He's just like, I'm not fine with this. I
Speaker 1: don't feel good about I think I think two is
Speaker 1: anytime you see dan Quinn showing up at a pro day,
Speaker 1: that's a big stick in the room because what's happened
Speaker 1: is dan Quinn came in and gave your defense. Not
Speaker 1: only do you improve the scheme, he approved the accountability
Speaker 1: and he proved it. He approved the player that's on
Speaker 1: the field. So dan Quinn is going to have a
Speaker 1: lot of say and what happens on that defensive side
Speaker 1: of the ball. And so if he's you know, working
Speaker 1: out a guy like Sam Williams and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: you know, I think he's gonna, you know, if it
Speaker 1: comes down to what about this player? What about this player,
Speaker 1: Dan's gonna walk in that room when we're all sitting
Speaker 1: here watching the war room came and he's gonna start
Speaker 1: pointing out guys that he's worked out, and this guy's
Speaker 1: gonna worry. So I would definitely keep an eye on
Speaker 1: the thirty visits, and i'd also keep an eye on
Speaker 1: where Dan Quinn's been working out people. We've been getting
Speaker 1: a lot of questions about thirty visits. I know got
Speaker 1: four of them. A few of leaked out. We mentioned
Speaker 1: trailing Burke's Leale out of Texas A and m As
Speaker 1: another one Alave from Ohio State in Green and Green
Speaker 1: from Texas A and m before. We know. So far
Speaker 1: we're trickling. Yeah, we'll get we'll get some more. It's again,
Speaker 1: it's not April yet, which I feel like the Cowboys
Speaker 1: timeline for the thirty visits is usually like first two
Speaker 1: weeks of April. I Yeah, they figured that out. They'll
Speaker 1: they'll start putting their board together too here pretty soon
Speaker 1: once all the pro days get in the books, and
Speaker 1: then they'll schedule with Jerry and Steven how their schedule
Speaker 1: needs to be, and then they'll start on their process.
Speaker 1: Given the Sam Williams focus, can I impose upon y'all,
Speaker 1: let's give me give me your your edge rushers that
Speaker 1: you're confident aren't going to be first round picks, but
Speaker 1: maybe that thirty five to eighty eight sort of sweet
Speaker 1: spot day two edge rushers that they might be curious about.
Speaker 1: I heard a guy pronounce this name a little while ago,
Speaker 1: so I think I can say this right. Ebbitt Katie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: State Katie would be good because I think five of
Speaker 1: them are going to go in the first round. That's
Speaker 1: my guests. Yeah, at least Hutchinson, Thibadeau, Walk, Karlotis Johnson,
Speaker 1: and then in order too and Ojabo who knows um.
Speaker 1: So then my next guys, my second round guys, Ebba
Speaker 1: Katie at Penn State, My next one, Sam Williams, Wow,
Speaker 1: I had a boy a mofe, Nick Benito, interesting nig
Speaker 1: Bare at South Carolina and Logan Hall at Houston. You
Speaker 1: have him as an edge rusher, not a three technique. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean he might be right, Jeff might be right
Speaker 1: about he's he's a tweener. Put him wherever you one.
Speaker 1: I had him on both boards for a little bit,
Speaker 1: not to piss Jeff off. Going back to my mock
Speaker 1: draft chart. Not an insignificant number of people mocking him
Speaker 1: into the first round. By the way, who's that Logan Hall?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, no, No, he's not been up there. No,
Speaker 1: I mean you would take absolutely not at no. If
Speaker 1: I if I were to put Logan Hall with my
Speaker 1: d tackles, he would probably be D tackle number four,
Speaker 1: behind Jordan Davis, DeVante Wyatt, Trivis Jones. He'd probably be
Speaker 1: the fourth. By the way, they had their defensive line
Speaker 1: coach up in the stores Connecticut working on the Travis Jones. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I see you. What do you got, Bryan? I tend
Speaker 1: to have Mafe is my second round guy. I was Johnson,
Speaker 1: a Jabo and then Mafe. That's before the injury too.
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna leave the kid at Michigan there. I
Speaker 1: think the Cowboys do the same thing. It's you know,
Speaker 1: they'll say, well, let's give the players Due. They did
Speaker 1: it with they did it with the Jalen Smith. They'll
Speaker 1: probably have a second maybe first round grade and they'll
Speaker 1: probably leave him there. But then I went with williams
Speaker 1: Our Penn State guy. Then I went with South Carolina
Speaker 1: and I don't really like Drake Jackson all that much.
Speaker 1: My J Sanders was down there too, and then Benito
Speaker 1: would be my last guy there in the third. Is
Speaker 1: how I had that rated. I'm higher on my j
Speaker 1: than I think everybody is. I don't know why. I
Speaker 1: could be completely wrong, but I like his strength. I
Speaker 1: like his potential as an athlete. I have him in
Speaker 1: that second round category. He's not above like a boy
Speaker 1: a Mafe or an Arnold, the Ebacadie, even Kingsley, a
Speaker 1: Nagbarre from South Carolina. Those are the guys there that
Speaker 1: I want to hear you. If you guys have watched
Speaker 1: this guy, Cameron Thomas from San Diego, I have. I
Speaker 1: have him in the third, but he's kind of knocking
Speaker 1: on that door of maybe a second round potential. What
Speaker 1: do you like about him? I'll tell you what the
Speaker 1: thing about him is. And you know, initially when you
Speaker 1: watched him play, I was I was just the motor
Speaker 1: on this guy. I mean it never he never stops.
Speaker 1: And you know, I was, I was interested about him
Speaker 1: because I was kind of looking at the six four,
Speaker 1: he's two sixty seven. He kind of fits that long
Speaker 1: rangy profile. But this guy, I mean when you watch
Speaker 1: him play, he has the ability to create turnovers. I
Speaker 1: mean he's in the pocket, he tips passes, he chases
Speaker 1: the ball, he's got start stop quickness. I mean he
Speaker 1: gains a lot of ground on that first step and
Speaker 1: then he's kind of able to sharpen that corner. So
Speaker 1: you know, I was, I was pretty impressed with him.
Speaker 1: You know. And again this is one of those compared
Speaker 1: since I mean, and it's not just the white guy
Speaker 1: to white guy thing, but I think he's got some
Speaker 1: Ryan Carrigan to his game, you know, that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: I think there's that kind of vibe with that high effort,
Speaker 1: high motor. He's in the way, he's knocking balls down,
Speaker 1: he's creating turnovers, he's getting sacks. I think this is
Speaker 1: a guy that I might have him around too low
Speaker 1: on where you know, where my notes say, he's what
Speaker 1: do you have him? I'm the fourth fourth? Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: one of my first thoughts all the way back in
Speaker 1: January or whatever about George Karloftis was Carrigan and I
Speaker 1: was like, are they similar or are they just white?
Speaker 1: Like sometimes mean, like I think with things I look at.
Speaker 1: You know, Drake London from from usc to me, he's
Speaker 1: like Adam Feeland. When you watch Adam Feeland play and
Speaker 1: you know, the disability to run all these routes, high
Speaker 1: point balls, you know, get open. Maybe he's not always separated,
Speaker 1: but man, he makes a lot of plays. And so
Speaker 1: I kind of was like thinking, that's who I was
Speaker 1: watching when I saw Drake London play. I like that
Speaker 1: comp Yeah, all right, a lot of place finished a
Speaker 1: little bit early, but I feel like that just gives
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Speaker 1: all right. We got one from Chris that I think
Speaker 1: is interesting more from a team building perspective than a
Speaker 1: draft perspective. But if a cornerback were to fall to
Speaker 1: you in this draft, it could be first round, second round.
Speaker 1: Just let's just say a high pick. Do you try
Speaker 1: to do anything with your depth chart there? Obviously you
Speaker 1: got Anthony Brown with one more year on his deal,
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis, I believe with two more years on his
Speaker 1: so I see the logic there. You could maybe have
Speaker 1: some trade bait if you wind up with a much
Speaker 1: more talented corner than expected. I think Anthony Brown would
Speaker 1: like you to not draft a corner because this team,
Speaker 1: the way that they would look at it is, man,
Speaker 1: we'd really like our young Kelvin Joseph to take over
Speaker 1: starting job anyway, and then if I know how Stephen
Speaker 1: Jones brain works, if they were to draft a corner,
Speaker 1: he would immediately go to overthcap dot com or I
Speaker 1: guess they have their own system of doing what I'm
Speaker 1: going to right now, open the spreadsheet and he would go, huh,
Speaker 1: let me say five million bucks if we moved on
Speaker 1: from this guy. So Anthony Brown is the one number
Speaker 1: on their roster that I look at, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: if they can, they'll release you, because that's where somebody is.
Speaker 1: To be fair, I don't even know if they need
Speaker 1: to draft a corner or Kelvin Joseph just needs to
Speaker 1: ball out and try If Calvin Joseph has a camp
Speaker 1: like Treyvon Diggs did it last summer where you're just like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, this guy's killing it. But would you
Speaker 1: cut a six million dollar corner if you didn't feel
Speaker 1: good about your depth? Because I don't feel good about
Speaker 1: their depth, I would not, but they might. I'll ask
Speaker 1: this question. I love having depth, but sometimes I feel
Speaker 1: like I'm especially in that position. Go ahead, Bryan McDuffie,
Speaker 1: Carloftis Burks, which of the three. Yeah, oh man, that
Speaker 1: does a really good give me. I'm torn between McDuffie
Speaker 1: and carloft This like, like Burks is great, but I
Speaker 1: can I interest you in a lobby then that's where it. Okay,
Speaker 1: I just so you're not going to take a wide
Speaker 1: receiver at all premium No, premium defenders are harder to find. Okay,
Speaker 1: McDuffie or Loftus. McDuffie, what do you think this team
Speaker 1: would do? Though I'm interested to suit. My guy to
Speaker 1: the right would say Carloftus might be the right answer. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't like doing top fifty because then you take
Speaker 1: guys who you have graded the same and now I
Speaker 1: have to actually stack it actual do it um next.
Speaker 1: This is what Brian hosting the Draft show was like
Speaker 1: every day. By the way, if I were putting together
Speaker 1: a top fifty mcduffy versus Carloftis, I think McDuffie would
Speaker 1: be higher, so I would take McDuffie. Let me ask you.
Speaker 1: This does an answer. I'm a big Okay, I'm glad
Speaker 1: I agree with y'all. I think. Tell me, come on,
Speaker 1: Mike Zimmer, don't do this to me. How much time
Speaker 1: do we have before the pick. You got ten minutes.
Speaker 1: There's other teams in Philadelphia only took eight minutes to
Speaker 1: make that pick. Karloftis wins more because he works hard
Speaker 1: than because he's a freak, right, Which one helps your
Speaker 1: long term? I just I want and you want the
Speaker 1: better athlete at the better position. But you're telling Premier
Speaker 1: because you're telling me, is you guys really trust Armstrong? No? No, no, no,
Speaker 1: that's what you do. That's what you do. You're You're
Speaker 1: always like, well, if you would take McDuffie, you must
Speaker 1: think the guys here are grade. It's like, no, I
Speaker 1: just think that guy's a better player at a valuable position.
Speaker 1: It's got nothing to do with what I think at
Speaker 1: the end, and I think Karloftis is a better player
Speaker 1: and a better fit. I say Carlofts either way? Is
Speaker 1: there another is? Okay? What about one of those guards? Okay,
Speaker 1: how about this? If you did it where you Okay,
Speaker 1: take take both guards? Okay, okay, so both guards over both? Okay,
Speaker 1: so Zion Johnson or or McDuffie, Zion Johnson, Zion Johnson,
Speaker 1: Zion Johnson or Stingley Stingley grade at higher. But I'm
Speaker 1: so terrified of Stingley. I love Jeff is afraid of
Speaker 1: his own grades, Like like I have him. I have
Speaker 1: him in the right place. Because Derek Stingley plays a
Speaker 1: premier position. There's a league that he becomes one of
Speaker 1: the best corners in football. And yeah, I'm terrified of us. Sure,
Speaker 1: I think somewhere else he's confident in his in his grades.
Speaker 1: Because they're so close together, I was gonna say he's
Speaker 1: not terrified of his grades, he's terrified of making the call. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's well, he doesn't have to do that. He because
Speaker 1: even making the call, I would preface it. I'd be like, listen,
Speaker 1: here's the thing, guys, Stley is the right pit. You're
Speaker 1: just but if he quits the team or gets hurt
Speaker 1: every year, that's you're inspiring everybody in that world. Okay,
Speaker 1: st stack it, stack it, then stack it, then do this. McDuffie,
Speaker 1: Karloftus and Zion Johnson stack him, stack him, Zion McDuffie, Karloftus. Okay,
Speaker 1: that is I'm I'm impressed. I think I guess. I
Speaker 1: just I thought Zion is complete. Those other two aren't,
Speaker 1: like I think there is and here I should probably
Speaker 1: balance that offensive guard. I don't think you would consider
Speaker 1: premiere position. Those other two are. But that's what makes
Speaker 1: it a hard decision. Like McDuffie is small, short arms,
Speaker 1: but his tape is incredible. Karloftus is short arms, not
Speaker 1: a premiere athlete, didn't even have big time production. He
Speaker 1: just says really good tape. Zion Johnson is premiere athlete,
Speaker 1: premier tape. It's just he doesn't play premier position. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm safe with Zion Johnson. I might miss with Karloftus
Speaker 1: or McDuffie. I'm not missing with Zion Johnson. I don't think.
Speaker 1: Probably something we don't talk enough about too again is
Speaker 1: we all have our own feelings about guys, and that's great.
Speaker 1: Does dan Quinn like Trent McDuffie, you know, if he doesn't,
Speaker 1: if his arms don't really if you can't. But as
Speaker 1: soon as they put the measure tape down, he was like,
Speaker 1: get him, get out of dan Quinn is like, if
Speaker 1: you can't pull your socks up without bending down, I
Speaker 1: don't want you. I'm not interested. So it's just something
Speaker 1: to consider. Do you think then McDuffie would be a
Speaker 1: second round grade on their board for that reason? I
Speaker 1: wouldn't doubt it. I think I would. I would think
Speaker 1: that's all I gotta do, or maybe they wouldn't put
Speaker 1: him on there. Just go out and look at the
Speaker 1: dbs that have joined the team since he got here.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you'd be a second round grade,
Speaker 1: but I don't know if I trust that they draft him.
Speaker 1: It's even on the board. Teams do that. They have
Speaker 1: thresholds where it's like, Guys, I know that he's a
Speaker 1: good player, we're not picking him, though, so just don't
Speaker 1: put him on there. Yeah, And that's been one of
Speaker 1: the trickier things to It's hard to reconcile that with
Speaker 1: with fans and listeners, where you're like, look, I know
Speaker 1: he's a good player. At the end of the day,
Speaker 1: it's not for us. Not well, it's not not for them.
Speaker 1: Not for them. I'm like, I can't make them be
Speaker 1: interested in a guy that doesn't fit what they're looking No,
Speaker 1: you need to know Andrew Booth at Clemson, kyer Elam Yeah, Florida,
Speaker 1: Florida with those are the guys you need to know.
Speaker 1: I know you're trying to get to another question, but
Speaker 1: I want to hear Brian's thought on that same kind
Speaker 1: of ranking. Do you have McDuffie over those guys like Carlos,
Speaker 1: I have Carloftus McDuffie, and then I have Ingram. That's
Speaker 1: how I would do it if if that was Ingram
Speaker 1: Ingram over job. Yeah, and I would do. I would do.
Speaker 1: I would do. I would do. If you if you
Speaker 1: threw in Burks, I would put Burks Burks carloftus McDuffie
Speaker 1: is how i'd have it. Actually, as long as we're
Speaker 1: doing this, another question from Chris. If you ask good questions,
Speaker 1: I'll ask them both, he says. And maybe this is
Speaker 1: a reach, but just spare with me. Trevor Penning verse
Speaker 1: the two guards Green and Zion, Zion Green, Penning. Now,
Speaker 1: if you want a prediction the order they're gonna go
Speaker 1: in Penning Green John. So I'm just asking we're good,
Speaker 1: We're good with the projection that we'd play Pinning a
Speaker 1: guard or would you just go ahead and put Pinning
Speaker 1: it right tackle and say we're going to figure out
Speaker 1: who's going to play left guard? Yes, I think the
Speaker 1: second one. Are you gonna play? This team? Would be like,
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? You can't take Terren Steel
Speaker 1: off the fields? Get on my face with that. See
Speaker 1: to me, if you told me Penning or Terrence Steele,
Speaker 1: that's so cemented. Though I really don't like, I know
Speaker 1: that the just right. That doesn't mean that they're not
Speaker 1: gonna go draft the guy either. They could go draft
Speaker 1: the guy at twenty you would still be getting worse
Speaker 1: on purpose and using a first round pick to do.
Speaker 1: Trust me, I'm not in that same camp, but I'm
Speaker 1: saying they might be like what you just said, throw
Speaker 1: a good right tackle off the team. He's hurt. I
Speaker 1: actually I've I apologies, I don't remember your name, but
Speaker 1: I've been getting blown up by one of our listeners
Speaker 1: who's like, am I the only person in the world
Speaker 1: that's terrified about the swing tackle situation? Yes, you don't
Speaker 1: have one. No, no, the answer will see ball. No
Speaker 1: you're not an you don't have one. No, I'm just
Speaker 1: for them. You are that to them, the balls are guy.
Speaker 1: Follow me here, though, what like, how highly are you
Speaker 1: willing to address that? If you believe in Terence Steele?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like, that's why we're not
Speaker 1: done with free agent third or fourth round. They're gonna
Speaker 1: bring it exactly And that's what I think they're gonna
Speaker 1: bring another Inseci type of guy in here. If I
Speaker 1: had to guess, because it's not a big enough need
Speaker 1: that you're going to spend a premium pick on it.
Speaker 1: If you to get all those five yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm not worried about swing tackle. In March, they'll do
Speaker 1: something about it. I agree. Okay, then would you say,
Speaker 1: would you go get a veteran guard and not worry
Speaker 1: about that spot or does right the second? I think
Speaker 1: they should sign a veteran guard. I think we've said
Speaker 1: that from the beginning. They were going. I think they
Speaker 1: should sign a or trade a late pick man. We
Speaker 1: have thirty year olds gonna be totally soured on McGovern,
Speaker 1: haven't we. So not maybe not, but that I was
Speaker 1: about to say, this team in the league since he
Speaker 1: was here in the three years three, right in the
Speaker 1: nineteen class. Yeah, so he's been in the league three years,
Speaker 1: he's entering his contract here, and in year three you
Speaker 1: got a shot at it. No, we don't believe in
Speaker 1: that he played center in college and they won't even
Speaker 1: let him see right here. Okay, this is where my
Speaker 1: worry is. I don't know if we talked about this
Speaker 1: on Tuesday, I know we got to get too questions.
Speaker 1: My worry is, do you have a split room now
Speaker 1: about these offensive linemen, especially the guards. All of a sudden,
Speaker 1: the scout are going, well, okay, Joe, you really didn't
Speaker 1: like our guy McGovern who we gave one a one
Speaker 1: two one gray top of the second round and we
Speaker 1: got in the third and you really didn't want to
Speaker 1: play him, you know. And Joe's like, well, you guys
Speaker 1: can't find me a guard? Joe hits play goes no,
Speaker 1: I couldn't. Yeah. See, So that's what I'm saying. I
Speaker 1: wonder if they're out there on the road, my guy,
Speaker 1: help us find That's what I'm saying. I wonder if
Speaker 1: the scouts are going to be on board with anybody
Speaker 1: that Joe selects or Joe wants. I wonder if they're
Speaker 1: going to try and slam holes in Joe's guy if
Speaker 1: they don't. If they don't draft a guard in the
Speaker 1: first round and they don't sign a veteran that's a
Speaker 1: capable starter going into Day two of the draft, will
Speaker 1: you be freaked out or do you think that you
Speaker 1: could get to the let's say, in the second round
Speaker 1: they don't pick a guard so you don't have a
Speaker 1: left guard and you're going into the third round. You're
Speaker 1: freaking out. Here's here's the thing a little bit. Probably
Speaker 1: are you ready for the cold strange era? Like, don't
Speaker 1: I don't feel like I I don't feel like I
Speaker 1: have to entertain this because they're gonna sign a guard.
Speaker 1: They just they are. They are. You're gonna sign a
Speaker 1: guy for like eight hundred and fifty K, just like
Speaker 1: they did with James Washington and all these times. So
Speaker 1: you don't like, you don't like Penning over Green or
Speaker 1: Zion Johnson? No, and I like, like, I like Penning.
Speaker 1: I don't think Penning's tape is close to Johnson or Green,
Speaker 1: like they have incredible tape. Penning is a really big, strong,
Speaker 1: violent dude. Yeah, that's tape is okay to pretty good
Speaker 1: that he just has great size and he's got a highowerful.
Speaker 1: He's a mall or right, he's got the play important position. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what about Cross? You can take cross over those guys
Speaker 1: would take cross over both of them. Yeah, Cross is
Speaker 1: my favorite guy. So that's a bad question for me.
Speaker 1: But I will say this though, are you worried about
Speaker 1: like you say you put Penning a right tackle and
Speaker 1: something happens to Tyrn Smith left tackle, you could just
Speaker 1: immediately just do that. And I mean that does that
Speaker 1: mean more to you than having a guard? No, I
Speaker 1: just I want to have my best five that I
Speaker 1: feel good about going in. I know we're gonna have
Speaker 1: to do stuff during the year. Yeah, because it's football. Yeah,
Speaker 1: something is going to happen, But I just want to
Speaker 1: start off with the good five. I think if they
Speaker 1: don't always agree with you, well, they're not always good
Speaker 1: at this. Yeah, I am. So if the Cowboys want
Speaker 1: to get this draft right, I'll do it relatively. Looking
Speaker 1: for Dave. You have to keep Will and you got
Speaker 1: to keep Chris Hall, and then I'll handle it. You'll
Speaker 1: be I'll value their opinions, but I'll handle it. I
Speaker 1: just I just know that there are members of that
Speaker 1: part of the building listening to this. And yeah, Jeff's
Speaker 1: being tongue in cheek. That's all, guys, it's all facetious.
Speaker 1: Scouts don't make the picks. I believe the Cowboys have
Speaker 1: an awesome scouting staff. Yeah, they don't pick them. So
Speaker 1: you can get these guys right and put them in
Speaker 1: the right order and tell the coaches the right order.
Speaker 1: So you're telling you're locking Joe Been out of the room.
Speaker 1: Then yeah, I don't need Joe, Yeah, you don't need you.
Speaker 1: I was actually, all right, we're just we're abandoning Stephen
Speaker 1: and Jerry. Don't need Joe Philbin either. I was like,
Speaker 1: my offensive line coach doesn't need to tell me who
Speaker 1: to draft. I would say, no, your job is to
Speaker 1: coach the guy. Did you lose faith in Joe Philbin
Speaker 1: when he get rid of Lyle Collins? I have very
Speaker 1: little faith in any coach as an evaluator, Like, if
Speaker 1: you've proven to me that you're incredible at it, then
Speaker 1: I'll listen to you. Other than that, you can tell
Speaker 1: me before I go scout. I was with the couple.
Speaker 1: I was with the couple that were pretty good, but
Speaker 1: I understand what we like. You can tell me if
Speaker 1: you're the offensive line coach, I'll be like, what do
Speaker 1: you value? Tell me what you want? Yeah, and then
Speaker 1: my job, not yours, is to go find him and
Speaker 1: I'll put him in order for you. I was my job.
Speaker 1: I was thinking about this very thing last night, Brian.
Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of a team in the league
Speaker 1: basically doing that? And saying like, give me your list
Speaker 1: of specs and I'll go find the guy. And you
Speaker 1: shut up, like, just get out of the guy. The
Speaker 1: guy with the guy. The head coach at Green Bay
Speaker 1: he wasn't involved with the draft. Yeah, they didn't. I
Speaker 1: mean they It's kind of the Packers way of doing things.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's probably surprised that he could go on
Speaker 1: the road and evaluate people. I get that you want
Speaker 1: they value the coach's opinion here a lot. I get
Speaker 1: that you want alignment between all the different parts of
Speaker 1: your team. But when you think, and this isn't Cowboys specific,
Speaker 1: this is just the league. Like when you think about
Speaker 1: the politics that go into this, Like the coach is
Speaker 1: like I need this guy if I'm keeping my job, Well,
Speaker 1: that's not what the scouting department should care about. Find
Speaker 1: me the best players. And so I think by and
Speaker 1: large this has worked. Look what's going on. Look what's
Speaker 1: going on in Miami right now? The two teams that
Speaker 1: were interested in the Hill deal, Jets, Miami, both general
Speaker 1: managers might be getting fired. So you all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: you're pushing everything in the middle. The last two general
Speaker 1: managers that have won the Super Bowl both were guys
Speaker 1: that were probably gonna get fired. Jason Light at Tampa.
Speaker 1: Ask him about that. He's sicking. Man, I've got I've
Speaker 1: gotta find something. Tom Brady falls in his lap, let's
Speaker 1: sneed I don't know, man, they might not want me
Speaker 1: around here too much. Let's push everything in and go.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't care about traff picks. That's what
Speaker 1: look Queer is doing in Miami. Chris Greers trying to
Speaker 1: prove you that TWOA can play his His career is
Speaker 1: based on whether they can't. That's what I'm saying. We're going. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm saying if they don't do well in Miami, Chris
Speaker 1: Greer gets fired, that's somebody else's problem. Without draft picks
Speaker 1: and high cap and all that stuff. That's why that's
Speaker 1: why this this free agency and stuff is crazy now
Speaker 1: because general managers know they're gonna get fired after three
Speaker 1: or four years. It used to be these guys stayed
Speaker 1: for ten fifteen years and kind of did their job,
Speaker 1: kind of build a foundation. Rose owners are like, bro
Speaker 1: pack out. You know I got time for that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Kind of a related topic. Uh, stich step here. The
Speaker 1: general manager's not going anyway. You are one day yeah,
Speaker 1: one day, one day in I mean, yeah, we're all
Speaker 1: going somewhere. I'm hopefully not too fast. Just him here,
Speaker 1: all of us, We're going somewhere. Backing away from the microphone,
Speaker 1: Stitch wants to not wants to talk about the value
Speaker 1: of receivers. M oh jeffs here for that. Tyreek Hill
Speaker 1: receivers are awesome. Tyreek Hill was traded yesterday for a
Speaker 1: boatload of picks And will McClay actually talk to us
Speaker 1: about this in Indie? Just about like NFL evaluators can
Speaker 1: count on like five good receivers coming out of every
Speaker 1: draft class. Is the position being devalued at the top
Speaker 1: in the sense that teams would rather trade these guys
Speaker 1: away than sign one. Have you seen Tyreek hills contract elaborate? Yeah? Fair,
Speaker 1: They are plenty valued. What that is is, I know
Speaker 1: this's gonna bother people because there's a segment of the
Speaker 1: population that has no idea what they're talking about. To
Speaker 1: pretend that there's no salary cap and you can just
Speaker 1: do whatever you want. You think the Kanna City Chiefs
Speaker 1: wanted to move on from the best receiver in football. No,
Speaker 1: I think the Greenbay Packers want from the best receiver.
Speaker 1: Football is the best. This is great right here, Salary
Speaker 1: CAP's real life. It is. Jeff gets all crusty on us.
Speaker 1: The Keansa City Chiefs decided, all right, we have a
Speaker 1: forty five million dollar quarterback, we have a twenty million
Speaker 1: dollar tight end. We can't have a third million dollars receiver.
Speaker 1: And that forty five million dollar quarterback gets bigger and
Speaker 1: bigger and bigger as it gets along as well, So
Speaker 1: and so they said, crap, we have to move on
Speaker 1: from it. Now, do you have a better chance at
Speaker 1: replacing at least decent production at wide receiver than at
Speaker 1: maybe edge or left tackle or corner quarterback? Sure? Yeah,
Speaker 1: the value of the incredible receiver it's thirty million a year. Now,
Speaker 1: you are you are right? But I do think, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think maybe there's a growing line of thinking that's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: if we've got to replace a contract, this is the
Speaker 1: one we can do. Cowboys did it with a Mari
Speaker 1: as well. It's like, if somebody that's making north of
Speaker 1: eighteen million has to be replaced, we our best bet
Speaker 1: is to find a receiver on the cheap rather certainly,
Speaker 1: rather than a quarterback, rather than a defensive end rather
Speaker 1: than I think it all depends on where you are,
Speaker 1: because like the Dolphins, we already talked about Chris career, right,
Speaker 1: but also they have a young quarterback that honestly, the
Speaker 1: entire league has no idea if you can play, and
Speaker 1: if you had to pick a leaning, most people would
Speaker 1: probably leank towards. Can't and you haven't been good for long,
Speaker 1: so you don't have a bunch of big contracts on
Speaker 1: your team, so you can, like the Cowboys, who are
Speaker 1: going into this offseason had eight or nine twelve million
Speaker 1: dollar players. You can't let me rephrase you can. But
Speaker 1: much like the Chiefs and Packers, the Cowboys decided the
Speaker 1: potential disaster later is not worth what we would have
Speaker 1: to do to keep this guy around. Like that's what
Speaker 1: happened with the Chiefs. They looked down the barrel of
Speaker 1: the salary cap and they said, all right, what would
Speaker 1: we have to do? And they went restructure that guy,
Speaker 1: that guy, and that guy, and then we could do it.
Speaker 1: And they go, but we don't want to be stuck
Speaker 1: with that guy, that guy, and that guy at even
Speaker 1: more money later. We want to be able to get
Speaker 1: rid of them, and they went, crap, trade Tyreek Hill.
Speaker 1: That's how it goes. I hate to say it. I
Speaker 1: think he's rights how it goes. That was a very
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Speaker 1: final segment of the Draft Show coming at you. This
Speaker 1: was my plan first segment, but it'll work just fine
Speaker 1: in the third at which we kind of touched on
Speaker 1: this with Tyree Kill in the last segment. But this is,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, a very unique looking first round
Speaker 1: of the NFL Draft in the sense that a quarter
Speaker 1: of the league doesn't have a pick. Yeah, this has
Speaker 1: been and they're okay with that. It certainly seems that way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So obviously, the Chiefs get Miami's twenty ninth overall pick
Speaker 1: yesterday in the Tyree Kill trade. That makes them the
Speaker 1: sixth NFL team to have multiple picks. The Houston Texans
Speaker 1: also got an extra one for their deal for Deshaun Watson.
Speaker 1: They pick third and thirteenth. The Giants pick fifth and
Speaker 1: seventh because of the Justin Fields trade. The New York
Speaker 1: Jets pick fourth and tenth because of the Jamal Adams trade.
Speaker 1: The Eagles have three picks the Jalen Waddle trade and
Speaker 1: the Carson Wentz trade. I was about to say, I
Speaker 1: can't even keep it all straight anymore. And Green Bay
Speaker 1: also has two ones because they traded Davante Adams. Yeah,
Speaker 1: one of those two teams chiefs and packers is going
Speaker 1: to get my sky More. You think that happen. You
Speaker 1: really think sky Moore is gonna be a first round pick?
Speaker 1: I do, I can't do. Oh. I don't think he'll
Speaker 1: be a first round pick, but I do it can
Speaker 1: guarantee he'll end up in one of those spots where
Speaker 1: you look at it and you're like, man, they're good
Speaker 1: at drafting, and they did it again. I think anybody
Speaker 1: who would be shocked by that, I'm not wrong. I'm
Speaker 1: not shocked. I wouldn't be shocked because we've talked about
Speaker 1: him more than any other prospect in this class. I
Speaker 1: tweeted the guy might need up in Kansas City yesterday.
Speaker 1: Sorry you muted me. I don't blame you that I
Speaker 1: blocked you. I don't blame it's it's a transparent block
Speaker 1: where you can't see that I've blocked you. I will
Speaker 1: say this though, um if Clyde Edwards Aleric can go
Speaker 1: in the first round, I guess sky I think if
Speaker 1: you're I think if you're Green Bay or can't see
Speaker 1: you know, green Bay has a history of not selecting
Speaker 1: first round receivers. Two thousand and two was the last
Speaker 1: time they did that, and so I kind of feel
Speaker 1: like though that these teams at the back end, maybe
Speaker 1: they think if it's going to stretch, the receivers are
Speaker 1: going to stretch. But with the multiple picks, you almost
Speaker 1: have to think, we got to get this guy around early.
Speaker 1: When you're drafting on the back end, you almost have
Speaker 1: to think around early because these players, like a skymar
Speaker 1: is not going to be coming back around to you
Speaker 1: in the second round. That's where that's and that's where
Speaker 1: Jeff I think is right. You know, would would a
Speaker 1: team would a team would say the let's say Seattle
Speaker 1: has a pick at nine, would they take sky More. No,
Speaker 1: they wouldn't. But if Seattle was drafting at twenty nine
Speaker 1: or thirty, sure, That's what you almost have to think,
Speaker 1: like around earlier when you're on the back end because
Speaker 1: the level of players everybody. That's the advantage of picking early,
Speaker 1: of course, is the better players. On the back end,
Speaker 1: you have to be a little bit more creative with
Speaker 1: who you want and you have to think about it
Speaker 1: for you know, mil kiper Us whatever, go, well, that
Speaker 1: was around early on that guy. No, they don't think
Speaker 1: that player is going to get back around to him.
Speaker 1: That's why you see, and that's why Skymore could go
Speaker 1: very well to Green Bay, can't. I tell you the
Speaker 1: thing that's inviting about both those places, both cold weather cities,
Speaker 1: both play cold weather ball. You know, Skymore playing at
Speaker 1: Western Michigan, he's used to playing in those conditions and
Speaker 1: he's a really good football player. Yeah. The two Ohio
Speaker 1: State guys did that too though. Yeah. No, and that's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. That's why Chris Olava and yeah, absolutely
Speaker 1: Wilson that yeah, yeah, that's where you're gonna you're gonna
Speaker 1: get that kind of You can just enunciate if you want.
Speaker 1: I'd take sky More over. Chrisalalavea, there you go. And
Speaker 1: Jamison Williams, Oh my, okay, see your wide receiver one
Speaker 1: wide receiver two? Who's who's one? Garrett Wilson interesting cans.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, if we, if we, if we, Skymore doesn't
Speaker 1: become a decent NFL player, it's going to be bad.
Speaker 1: At least. This isn't the No, everybody has a Joey
Speaker 1: here Darius Washington. Well, this isn't our Darius. No, No,
Speaker 1: because he's not he's not on the threshold. Like thirty
Speaker 1: two teams would pick Sky, probably three might pick Sky.
Speaker 1: Moore is gonna get picked and picked high. He's a
Speaker 1: great he would be a great fit for Kansas City
Speaker 1: as accurate as that quarterback he is throwing the ball
Speaker 1: and the move at all the platforms in the way
Speaker 1: the guy moves around. Yeah, so all right, let's let's
Speaker 1: start in the back and move up. And that's it's
Speaker 1: so easy to peg those type of players for your
Speaker 1: Kansas City and for your Green Bay. That Kansas City
Speaker 1: did it with Clyde Edwards Hilaire. You just sort of
Speaker 1: plug a guy that you think is good into an
Speaker 1: offense that doesn't need a whole lot. Do you see
Speaker 1: that happening? Or I mean, I could just so easily
Speaker 1: pickure Green Bay drafting like Jamison Williams. Jamison Williams can
Speaker 1: end up in Green Bay. You you think they're gonna
Speaker 1: do it. You think they're gonna draft the receiver because
Speaker 1: they they got two picks. I mean they have dress
Speaker 1: would probably mutiny. They haven't done it, you know. Like
Speaker 1: I said, they haven't done it since two thousand