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Speaker 4: Bear Church off today former Cowboys safety. Lots of topics
Speaker 4: to get to as the Cowboys are now back here
Speaker 4: full time in North Texas. Had another open practice yesterday
Speaker 4: at Ford Center for fans to come in and check
Speaker 4: out for free as they get ready for all efforts
Speaker 4: towards the Cleveland Browns to start the twenty twenty.
Speaker 3: Four in FL season.
Speaker 4: So, Heckma, they've added two more names to the practice
Speaker 4: squad today. But the other name that was added yesterday
Speaker 4: of big importance was Dalvin Cook. We'll get into Dalvin Cook,
Speaker 4: but I want to start with to me, the most important,
Speaker 4: which is the quarterback. Jerry Jones met with the media
Speaker 4: yesterday Jerry has the smoothest press conferences that I've ever covered.
Speaker 4: From this standpoint, nobody knows how to put the sponsor
Speaker 4: a sponsor in front of him a massive group of
Speaker 4: media before the press cars. So if he just says, hey, look,
Speaker 4: you know we're gonna have a lottery, a Texas Lottery
Speaker 4: press conference. That's the Cowboys to scratch off, and you know,
Speaker 4: just like, hey, we're gonna have it a ten o'clock
Speaker 4: on a Wednesday. Nobody shows but to have a presser
Speaker 4: in which Jerry's gonna talk.
Speaker 3: We're all showing up for that. But beforehand, here.
Speaker 4: Come the cheerleaders, and here comes the little scratch off thing,
Speaker 4: and the guy comes over and then we talked to him.
Speaker 4: You know what, I learned more about the scratch off
Speaker 4: than a whole bunch of stuff tests.
Speaker 3: I was like, you know, this is smart.
Speaker 4: I remember the time he had Papa John coming when
Speaker 4: they started their sponsorship with Papa John's pizza first off
Speaker 4: as a trend and get he brought a whole bunch
Speaker 4: of pizzas.
Speaker 3: So you're happy about that. Happy about that? All right?
Speaker 4: So so Papa John talks and Jerry goes through that
Speaker 4: and then then after Jerry talks in here comes the
Speaker 4: head coach everything. I was like, you know what, that's
Speaker 4: a smart way to do it if you want to
Speaker 4: get coverage for the sponsor in the media, to talk
Speaker 4: about it and get out there. So I was like,
Speaker 4: you know, this is Jerry. Jerry still on top of
Speaker 4: his game. But then he went into the questions and
Speaker 4: it became about Dak Prescott, and one of the questions
Speaker 4: I asked him is what's Plan B.
Speaker 3: What's the strategy here?
Speaker 4: You do not have another quarterback under contract next year?
Speaker 4: Because Jerry basically came out and told everyone and Clarence
Speaker 4: Hill wrote about it, He's not signing Dak before the season.
Speaker 4: So the deal for CD Lamb, that was for CD Lamb.
Speaker 3: There's no deal coming for Dak Prescott. Heck man, how
Speaker 3: do you feel about that and no Plan B?
Speaker 5: Well, look, I think this is Jerry being the ring
Speaker 5: leader basically in this circus and calling you all in
Speaker 5: and making you hang on every word that he says.
Speaker 5: And the media is going to do that because it's
Speaker 5: Jerry and he knows how to play you guys. He
Speaker 5: really does us guys. I'm sorry, I'm a part of
Speaker 5: that well, but you know, when it comes to the
Speaker 5: road mapping, you ask the biggest question, well, what do
Speaker 5: you do if you don't sign Dak? And no one
Speaker 5: has even gotten to that part of what does Plan
Speaker 5: B look like? And to America's team, plan B does
Speaker 5: not look good at all. Plan B does not get
Speaker 5: butts into the seats. Plan B does not get more
Speaker 5: memorabilia purchase. So you know, whatever Plan B is, if
Speaker 5: it's not Dak, it's going to have to be something else,
Speaker 5: because right now you don't have I don't believe you
Speaker 5: have a quarterback on your roster that you're confident with
Speaker 5: going forward in the future. You're not saying, hey, we're
Speaker 5: just going to develop this guy some more and he's
Speaker 5: going to be the one to take us to the
Speaker 5: Promised lad. The future without Dak doesn't look like twelve
Speaker 5: wins seasons. The future without Dak looks much more abysmal.
Speaker 5: And people can talk about what they think about this
Speaker 5: season all they want to. The previous seasons when they
Speaker 5: went twelve and five, people were not predicting them to
Speaker 5: go twelve and five, and they had talented rosters, and
Speaker 5: so here you go. Here is and if you're just
Speaker 5: asking me to dissect and interpret what Jerry is saying.
Speaker 5: I just I don't have a I don't have enough.
Speaker 5: I don't know I have enough skins on the wall
Speaker 5: one to be able to do that. But number two,
Speaker 5: when I think when it comes down to what's going
Speaker 5: on with Dak, I'm not saying that this is a
Speaker 5: ploy in him negotiating through the media, but I am.
Speaker 3: If I was a.
Speaker 5: Betting man, I'd be betting that there's a deal already
Speaker 5: on the table for Dak and Dak has yet to
Speaker 5: sign that deal.
Speaker 4: You're, like all of us were yesterday. We don't know
Speaker 4: what's going on. You're just asking the question, trying to
Speaker 4: figure it out about why this doesn't make sense. So
Speaker 4: Jerry tells me, you know what, they could all be
Speaker 4: under contract. It wouldn't matter. They may not be here.
Speaker 4: So he went to this whole rigamarole of Okay, it
Speaker 4: doesn't matter if they're under contract, because they basically I
Speaker 4: could fire them, I could get rid of It doesn't
Speaker 4: matter just because there are the contracts.
Speaker 3: Mean nothing, like Jerry, they mean nothing.
Speaker 5: They do and we haven't got to that point yet,
Speaker 5: which exactly make it. You know what makes this and
Speaker 5: does it right? Come on, now, you know food, So.
Speaker 4: He gave us that whole rigamarole and did Jeff Cole
Speaker 4: the Fox four asked Jerry a very legitimate question, what
Speaker 4: else does Zach Prescott have to prove to you that he's.
Speaker 3: Worthy of contract? Yea?
Speaker 4: And Jerry said nothing, And then he goes into the
Speaker 4: whole economics of this is so Jerry just runs around
Speaker 4: his whole thing there there like, Jerry, make it make sense?
Speaker 3: Yeah, any day now the math is gone, math right,
Speaker 3: make it make sense.
Speaker 4: And when you say you think that there's a contract
Speaker 4: there back to sign, I don't.
Speaker 3: Here's why I would be skeptical on just me.
Speaker 4: Okay, considering you already hurt your leg before you know,
Speaker 4: would you want to risk that?
Speaker 3: And you say you want to be here, and if
Speaker 3: there's a deal here that you're that's ready to go
Speaker 3: that you like, why would you not take It's it? Okay?
Speaker 5: So let's just be clear on this that right now
Speaker 5: at the headquarters in Frisco, this is a pressure cooker
Speaker 5: situation going into this season. Everybody is basically performing for
Speaker 5: their job in the future if everybody beside CD lamb right.
Speaker 5: And so with that being said, there are a lot
Speaker 5: of people here that need for this team to be successful.
Speaker 5: One of them, one of them right now, Dak Prescott.
Speaker 5: I feel like he's not a part of that pressure
Speaker 5: cooker situation because let me tell you something, Dak's gonna
Speaker 5: get paid sixty million.
Speaker 4: Dollars regardless, guardless, regardless, yes, regardless, he.
Speaker 3: Should be playing free. I'm getting paid you want, I mean,
Speaker 3: think about it.
Speaker 5: I mean, if we could just really add up who
Speaker 5: the pressure is on this season to succeed and fail,
Speaker 5: and what this the representation of what this team is
Speaker 5: gonna look like when we get to January, Dak is
Speaker 5: gonna get paid, regardless if he's.
Speaker 3: Hurt or not.
Speaker 5: Some team is going to play pay more than market
Speaker 5: value for him. I would I mean, I would beg
Speaker 5: to say that Mike McCarthy right now is the one
Speaker 5: who's sweating the most as we're talking about Dak.
Speaker 3: Dak's gonna land on his feet.
Speaker 4: I'll tell you this, and this is my opinion, just
Speaker 4: my opinion. I think McCarthy's fine too. If Mike McCarthy
Speaker 4: is on the street after this year, I truly believe
Speaker 4: that he'll get a head coaching job.
Speaker 3: Of course, of.
Speaker 5: Course, Mike McCarthy's not going to go somewhere and be
Speaker 5: an assistant.
Speaker 3: That's never gonna happen to Mike.
Speaker 4: Well, come on, and I would say, from this standpoint,
Speaker 4: if we're asking ourselves right now, have they done everything
Speaker 4: to help Mike McCarthy or they made a little bit
Speaker 4: harder on Mike McCarthy, I'd say it's been made a
Speaker 4: little bit.
Speaker 3: It's been made a little bit harder on Mike McCarthy
Speaker 3: to hear.
Speaker 4: And if Mike McCarthy can figure out how just a
Speaker 4: winning season, right, just winning a winning seat. You go
Speaker 4: nine and eight here, considering what all In was said
Speaker 4: and what all In showed us, this guy has another
Speaker 4: winning season your first year calling plays again Dak Prescott,
Speaker 4: who led the league and picks the year before. As
Speaker 4: you said, we gotta getri his offics a coordinator, you
Speaker 4: take over. He leads the league and touchdown passes. Cede
Speaker 4: Lamb is what one vote away from being unanimous All Pro.
Speaker 4: This man has shown in my mind he can coach.
Speaker 4: And you start going down to the winslows we talked
Speaker 4: about here, he's top twenty all the time. This man
Speaker 4: is this man is a really good coach in this league,
Speaker 4: in a league, but.
Speaker 3: It ain't a lot of good coach, right.
Speaker 4: I mean, you know we're talking to a man in
Speaker 4: LA Brandon Staley was out there charges me.
Speaker 3: So we're seeing guys get jobs that can't perform.
Speaker 4: So to me, Dak Prescott and Mike McCarthy should just
Speaker 4: do what they do and if they're not wanted here,
Speaker 4: I do believe they'll.
Speaker 3: Be wanting somewhere.
Speaker 5: Question is on that it comes down to who do
Speaker 5: we lose when we start talking about this team and
Speaker 5: when we start talking about talent on this team, You know,
Speaker 5: who do we lose? Of substance that we're saying our
Speaker 5: team is much worse because we lost this person we
Speaker 5: had nine. You had nine All Pros on last year's team,
Speaker 5: all right, If you take away the specialty guys. You
Speaker 5: lost Tyron Smith, an aging veteran still top of his
Speaker 5: game at left tackle. That still leaves you with six
Speaker 5: All Pros on this team that you have under contract
Speaker 5: this year. There aren't a lot of teams with six
Speaker 5: All Pros on them. And I'm taking away the other
Speaker 5: the other specialty guys that you have that are definitely
Speaker 5: viable for you.
Speaker 3: I'll hit you back with this.
Speaker 4: You now have two rookies that are going to start
Speaker 4: for you on the offense at I would say the
Speaker 4: two most critical positions on the offensive line left tackle
Speaker 4: and center. So that to worry your running back room
Speaker 4: is question mark field. That's one reason why you got
Speaker 4: Dalvin cooking here. I had to fill out a sheet
Speaker 4: the other day that said, Okay, how many yards will
Speaker 4: Ezekiel Elliott game?
Speaker 3: And they're assuming it was numbers? What's your number? What's
Speaker 3: your number? Can I guess? Can I guess? Go ahead? Okay,
Speaker 3: go ahead, go ahead?
Speaker 5: Newie shrugs went between six point fifty and in eight hundred.
Speaker 5: No lower than that? Yes, really, yes, wow, I am wow?
Speaker 5: Really what four four hundred to four hundred and six hundred?
Speaker 5: It was in the four hundred ange wow under five hundred. Okay,
Speaker 5: And I say that to you from the standpoint right now.
Speaker 4: We don't know exactly what it is they're going to do.
Speaker 4: You've brought in Dalvin Cook. Rico Dawdles listened to Brian
Speaker 4: on the break. If you don't listen to the break here,
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Speaker 4: break because is when I was just checking out on
Speaker 4: my way over here today. He thinks at some point
Speaker 4: time they're gonna look at Rico Daddle and saying, you
Speaker 4: know what, hey young man, we want to see more
Speaker 4: from You can't forget about my guy, ol boogie.
Speaker 3: This is a this is a smorgas board of running
Speaker 3: backs here.
Speaker 4: This don't look at twenty sixteen Z or twenty seventeen
Speaker 4: or twenty eighteen Z.
Speaker 3: It's not that player anymore. I don't know.
Speaker 4: Exactly what they're going to do because what do I
Speaker 4: always say here? Man, listen to what they don't say.
Speaker 4: Nobody's come out here and said Ezekiel El, it's our workhorse.
Speaker 4: Ezekiel's number one, number one guy. Even what they talked
Speaker 4: about last year with Tony Polar, you're not hearing anybody
Speaker 4: tell you that about this running back room. So until
Speaker 4: I I'm not convinced. So that's what I'm saying. This
Speaker 4: thing is going to be spread out, it's gonna be
Speaker 4: where do they want to go with this hot hand injuries,
Speaker 4: this whole thing. So offensive line running back rooms a
Speaker 4: question the defensive line at their defensive tackle spots or
Speaker 4: issues outside of your darters at the defensive end spots
Speaker 4: you confident about the backups. I mean there's questions so
Speaker 4: when you say, hey, look you've got six all pros.
Speaker 4: Having all pros helps, what are your all pros? Is
Speaker 4: down Deron Bland for at least a month. We'll see
Speaker 4: when he comes back. So there's there's there's question marks
Speaker 4: there that I would say, but I understand your premise
Speaker 4: of hey, look is this a talented roster. Yes, this
Speaker 4: is a talented roster. How it fits in jails together,
Speaker 4: we'll see.
Speaker 3: This is where I.
Speaker 4: Come back into you where I think Mike McCarthy has
Speaker 4: shown you since he's been here, especially after that first year.
Speaker 4: He knows how to work with young players and knows
Speaker 4: how to make make the jigsaw puzzle work. We'll see, Yeah,
Speaker 4: we'll do we'll do wins later on how many wins
Speaker 4: we think they'll get. But I just think there's some
Speaker 4: unsolved question marks here about where this team goes. And you,
Speaker 4: I just I believe offensive defensive lines are where you
Speaker 4: win these football games.
Speaker 3: I believe.
Speaker 4: I believe it's also where the Cowboys lost their playoff
Speaker 4: game last year because they weren't strong on either one.
Speaker 5: Okay, So in this case, like I, I agree with
Speaker 5: half of your premise.
Speaker 3: When when.
Speaker 5: Please, the thing is when I when I think about
Speaker 5: Mike McCarthy, and since he's been hired here, the one
Speaker 5: thing that he hasn't been that he has been willing
Speaker 5: to do is change if something needs to be changed.
Speaker 5: And I'm talking about this goes from his defensive coordinator,
Speaker 5: his offensive line coach positions that were not working out.
Speaker 5: Mike McCarthy has not stayed the course in situations. He's
Speaker 5: made those changes. He understands exactly what's going on with
Speaker 5: his front line. And I think you point out something
Speaker 5: that's very important. Dealing with a few rookies, not one,
Speaker 5: but two rookies on your offensive line. I don't think
Speaker 5: that that's advantageous. But look at the draft order of
Speaker 5: those two players that we're talking about, Okay, I think
Speaker 5: that guyton comes in here, uh with with the hell
Speaker 5: of a recipe of a guy that you know that
Speaker 5: you can take and make into a left tackle. Now,
Speaker 5: going to your running back position, I'm sorry you were
Speaker 5: in the same position last year with Tony Poler coming
Speaker 5: off of a snapped ankle. All right, So the expectation
Speaker 5: there wasn't that high, but Tony Poler still finished with
Speaker 5: what one thousand yards? And I'm not saying, and I'm
Speaker 5: not saying, I am not sitting here saying that Zeke
Speaker 5: is going to be a thousand yard rusher. Okay, But
Speaker 5: I do believe that when you incorporate a guy like
Speaker 5: Dalvin Cook that's coming in and his whole thing has
Speaker 5: been can he stay healthy? And what version are you
Speaker 5: going to get of Dalvin Cook? But there are definitely
Speaker 5: packages that I believe that coach McCarthy can use to
Speaker 5: his advantage. The L but we call it the L
Speaker 5: Boogie package. All right, I formation with Dalvin Cook. What
Speaker 5: are some of the things that you've seen Dalvin Cook
Speaker 5: do in the past, being in a pistol, the way
Speaker 5: that he lines up off the formation, things like that
Speaker 5: that I think can help you as a team because
Speaker 5: it's going to be a running back by committee approach
Speaker 5: and Dalvin Cook doesn't hurt that. So I don't think
Speaker 5: that you are You are as bad off as we're
Speaker 5: trying to make this sound going into your first game
Speaker 5: in Cleveland.
Speaker 4: Guy, it was the right tackle Oklahoma. Now he's going
Speaker 4: over the left.
Speaker 3: So there's a change.
Speaker 4: And this is the National Football League, the toughest levels
Speaker 4: there is, and you're starting off with the defensive player
Speaker 4: of the year.
Speaker 3: It's going to be an adjustment.
Speaker 4: The first six games are pretty he's they're throwing the
Speaker 4: kitchen sink at him right away. Of course I have
Speaker 4: a concern. And then how do you help him? That's
Speaker 4: been my concern as well. Is it schoonmaker? What do
Speaker 4: you do to just to just throw him on out
Speaker 4: there and just say go handle it? I think that
Speaker 4: I think that would be unfair.
Speaker 5: Why do you take a guy in the first round
Speaker 5: then to be your left tackle and you know that
Speaker 5: that's what his position is going to be. So I mean,
Speaker 5: you're setting him up for failure.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying you're setting up for failure. But at
Speaker 4: the same time, I am I'm allowing an adjustment. I'm
Speaker 4: allowing a rookie to be a rookie that there's going
Speaker 4: to be It's going to be a it's gonna take
Speaker 4: it's gonna take some time.
Speaker 5: It didn't do that with Tyler Smith. He was a
Speaker 5: left tackle moved into the left guard. I mean, look,
Speaker 5: I'm not trying to say that the adjustment is easy.
Speaker 5: I know that the speed of the game is completely different.
Speaker 5: I'm not naive to that, but just to say that, okay,
Speaker 5: this could be this is the weakest part of your
Speaker 5: team because your first round draft pick, you know, isn't
Speaker 5: any good. I think you've already talked about things that
Speaker 5: you could do to cover up some of those warts.
Speaker 5: Just starting off in Cleveland.
Speaker 4: But remember Tyler had to go play left tackle.
Speaker 3: Okay, remember that the injuries in case.
Speaker 4: So he had to get it. I mean they had
Speaker 4: to throw him out there, and look at the guy
Speaker 4: did a fantastic job he did. I just think that
Speaker 4: it's a lot to put out there for a guy
Speaker 4: to go from right to left and not think that,
Speaker 4: hey man, there's gonna be some tough nights out here.
Speaker 4: Start your first game off with Miles Garrett. I just
Speaker 4: think that's a challenge. I'm not saying that the guys
Speaker 4: go fall on. I'm not saying this is gonna be
Speaker 4: another Mozzie Smith type situation where your first round pick
Speaker 4: is gonna let you down. Because Mozzi let everyone down.
Speaker 4: He was not what they thought he was gonna be.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying that. What I'm just saying is you
Speaker 4: look at this skin sedle. Here he's facing some heavy
Speaker 4: hitters and along this thing. If I'm the coach, I
Speaker 4: got to sit there here room. He's a rookie player.
Speaker 4: It takes everybody in a little minute to get here.
Speaker 4: And then how do we help the player? Once again,
Speaker 4: I talk about warts. How do you cover a warts?
Speaker 4: If you're the defensive coordinator for Cleveland, you're, hey, let's
Speaker 4: figure out the left tackles nor center's new. Let's test them.
Speaker 4: Let's test them. And so the tests are going to come.
Speaker 4: So Lari's a good offensive line coach. We've seen his
Speaker 4: track record. The Cowboys is an organization. You are correct,
Speaker 4: They've done a very good job of developing people. But
Speaker 4: at the same time, I just know it takes people
Speaker 4: a minute. We can talk all day about how long,
Speaker 4: how great CD Lamb was last year leading the league
Speaker 4: in receptions, make it all pro.
Speaker 3: Remember the first four games it was not pretty absolutely, and.
Speaker 4: We're talking about a veteran player who they had to
Speaker 4: figure it out a little bit. That's kind of my
Speaker 4: thing that I'm saying, we we we look at we
Speaker 4: just want to hit the presto button.
Speaker 3: Say it's automatically gonna happen.
Speaker 4: This league is a challenge, and it's going He's coming
Speaker 4: out facing one of the biggest challenges. And you know
Speaker 4: you've got jj Lott, you got eight Hutchinson on the list,
Speaker 4: you got tip Oft on me, and there's gonna be
Speaker 4: some tests right here.
Speaker 3: We'll see how he works with it. But it's going
Speaker 3: to be a challenge, and I am going to be
Speaker 3: on the cautious side.
Speaker 4: Maybe that's where I'm at. I'm on the cautious side
Speaker 4: of things to say, hey, look, let's be ready because
Speaker 4: it's going to be a challenge.
Speaker 3: He may he.
Speaker 4: May exceed everything he could. That could happen. We have
Speaker 4: seen it happen with their first round picks. The offensive line,
Speaker 4: Tyron Smith excel have a history tign proof of consistency, Yes,
Speaker 4: Travis Travis, Travis for exceled. So if he excels, then
Speaker 4: hey man, you follow it. But at the same time,
Speaker 4: I'm one of those guys and I'm gonna sit up
Speaker 4: here and just say, man, look, let's let's be let's
Speaker 4: be At the same time, Zach and Tyron were.
Speaker 3: Number one at their positions pretty much coming out, and that.
Speaker 4: You know where they were ranked Actually Tying was number two,
Speaker 4: but they were ranked pretty. They're ranked high. He wasn't
Speaker 4: one of your top two offensive tackles off the board.
Speaker 4: He was drafted later. Travis Frederick was number two in
Speaker 4: his class at the center position. So there's a little
Speaker 4: bit of a difference. Tyler Smith was not. Tyler Smith
Speaker 4: was a guy people like, who's this guy is at Tulsa.
Speaker 3: So we'll see.
Speaker 4: But I'm just one of those I just said, hey, look,
Speaker 4: let's just be cautious here. It's gonna be tough. And
Speaker 4: my gosh, Miles Gearhead can play from Arland, tex the
Speaker 4: heck of a player here. So we'll see where it goes.
Speaker 4: Your confidence level is higher than mine if we got
Speaker 4: if we got if we got a glass. So this
Speaker 4: is this is probly the best way I actually put
Speaker 4: this before we go to break. If this is a
Speaker 4: glass hecklers looking at I say it's half full. You
Speaker 4: just said it's half empty. I'm saying, we gotta check
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Speaker 4: We're rolling along here. So Dalvin Cook added to the
Speaker 4: practice squad something I wanted to bring up here. Jerry
Speaker 4: Jones was asked yesterday, what did Zimmer tell you about
Speaker 4: Dalvin Cook? And then what did it mean coming from him?
Speaker 4: And Jerry basically said, you know, there's recommendations and then
Speaker 4: there's recommendations from somebody that knows, and then the way
Speaker 4: he said it, so basically Zimmer put it on Jerry, Yeah,
Speaker 4: this guy, you want this guy. I leaned on this guy.
Speaker 4: This is this is a good move for you. And
Speaker 4: so they did it. They brought him in. We talked
Speaker 4: about Dalvin Cook last year on this show here it
Speaker 4: was coming off injury, didn't really jive with the Jets,
Speaker 4: ended up with Baltimore, and of course they got put
Speaker 4: out of the playoffs. He potentially is fully healed, now
Speaker 4: be interested and we would get a chance to talk
Speaker 4: to Dalvin Cook. But I just think that mixed. Once again,
Speaker 4: what are they not telling us? You know, Mike out
Speaker 4: here praised the Elik Davis. Malik is cut. So now
Speaker 4: you've got Ezekiel Elliott not hearing anybody say he's going
Speaker 4: to be the bell Cow guy. He's going to be
Speaker 4: our I'm not hearing that. So she got Rico o'dowdell,
Speaker 4: you got Hunter Limpke, and now you to add Dalvin
Speaker 4: Cook in the room. There's just a lot a lot
Speaker 4: of gumbo. Ain't no one chili. It's a lot of gumbo. Now,
Speaker 4: got a lot of gumbo in here. So that means
Speaker 4: a lot of guys can potentially get the football here.
Speaker 4: So I'll be interested to see exactly what they.
Speaker 3: Do at this point in the season.
Speaker 5: You know that the moves that they're making our telltale
Speaker 5: signs of where they feel like their weaknesses are. I mean,
Speaker 5: we bought in a cornerback, we bought in another defensive tackle.
Speaker 5: So you can tell me what you think all you
Speaker 5: want to. I'm looking at your moves and this isn't
Speaker 5: one of those in season you know, gamesmanship type of moves. No,
Speaker 5: they're trying to strengthen this fifty three and they're going
Speaker 5: to continue to turn as they see need. And so
Speaker 5: you bring in a guy, You bring in a guy
Speaker 5: like Dalvin Cook, and that says to me that, look,
Speaker 5: if we go to game day, we've got to have
Speaker 5: two guys in his backfield that we can bet on,
Speaker 5: and right now I don't feel like we have that.
Speaker 5: And so what does Dalvin Cook bring that the rest
Speaker 5: of those guys don't. And look, as you just just
Speaker 5: narrated that, look Dalvin Cook last season, he was hurt.
Speaker 5: I mean, nobody would touch him besides the Jets. Who
Speaker 5: did the Jets half the Jets had a guy by
Speaker 5: the name of Breece Hall that was coming off of
Speaker 5: a knee injury. But oh, by the way, he legit
Speaker 5: all right, he was fine, he was he was hell,
Speaker 5: he was here, and the situation was nothing like Dalvin
Speaker 5: Cook originally thought he went into New York because look, man,
Speaker 5: this this young guy is for real in New York.
Speaker 5: But you know, I look at the way that he
Speaker 5: ended last season, only had five carries in those last
Speaker 5: two games. Then he goes on to Baltimore, and I
Speaker 5: think those are forgettable reps.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, I'm laughing because I'm just thinking about you know,
Speaker 4: Dalvin is probably looking just man, priest is hurt, he's hurt,
Speaker 4: and you know he look out that you see the
Speaker 4: guy running and then somebody.
Speaker 9: Just like.
Speaker 3: Not as hurt as we thought, not as hurt as
Speaker 3: we thought. And that's uh.
Speaker 4: Bill walshton that to Steve Young, Yeah, because Steve Young
Speaker 4: saw he was with that forty. Yes, you said Joe's
Speaker 4: you said Joe's hurt like the back you said he
Speaker 4: was hurting.
Speaker 3: Bill wats kind of game looked.
Speaker 5: Like yeah, yeah, oh oh well not as hurt as
Speaker 5: we thought.
Speaker 3: But I mean when you look at when you look
Speaker 3: at Dalvin.
Speaker 5: Cook again, and I just said it, man, it's it's
Speaker 5: all about him staying healthy.
Speaker 3: If they if he can stay healthy.
Speaker 5: And we've seen when he was, you know, running on
Speaker 5: the Kevin Stefanski, which I think the Kevin Stefanski Mike
Speaker 5: Zimmer we're gonna talk about this next week. The the
Speaker 5: parallel between those two. I think it's gonna be interesting
Speaker 5: going into Cleveland. But the best years that you got
Speaker 5: out of Dalvin Cook, not only was he a runner,
Speaker 5: He's also a guy that can receive out of the backfield.
Speaker 5: So he is multi dimensional in that way. And the
Speaker 5: biggest question that you ask yourself is is he healthy?
Speaker 5: If you're saying zeke, I'm just gonna push it to
Speaker 5: five hundred.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 5: If he's gonna get you five Hunter Lifkey, whatever those
Speaker 5: numbers are gonna be, We're gonna like, there's your gumbo,
Speaker 5: there's your gumbo. This is how we're mixing it up
Speaker 5: because there are a lot of packages that I believe
Speaker 5: that Mike McCarthy is gonna experiment with the over these
Speaker 5: first quarter of games just to figure out what that
Speaker 5: running back room is gonna look like.
Speaker 4: Here's the most important package and they failed at this
Speaker 4: last year, the red zone package, of course too many times,
Speaker 4: especially inside the five yard learning they had problems. To
Speaker 4: me when I look at the move for Dalvin Cook, Okay,
Speaker 4: here's Dalvin Cook, here's Ezekiel Elliott. We're trying to figure
Speaker 4: out who can get this ball into the end zone here,
Speaker 4: and uh, I know Link had the.
Speaker 3: Funled inside the one again.
Speaker 4: So he's got he's got work he's got to do
Speaker 4: to gain confidence back. You got Rico Daddle. They are
Speaker 4: looking at we're going to try to fix with these
Speaker 4: four players. We're going to try to fix how we
Speaker 4: can punch this thing in inside the red zone, especially
Speaker 4: inside the five because that was a critical area which
Speaker 4: I think they lost at least two football games last
Speaker 4: year by not being able to have it, possibly possibly three.
Speaker 5: Game imagine that, I mean, and in those situations which
Speaker 5: are documented and you saw it, and just going back
Speaker 5: to the Miami game, losing Zeke in that situation I
Speaker 5: think was big because you lose your biggest red zone
Speaker 5: threat and having that back, how does this mix because
Speaker 5: we still haven't yet, even through the preseason, we haven't
Speaker 5: seen that change that back that is okay, he could
Speaker 5: take this sixty yards. We haven't even seen any of
Speaker 5: those types of runs.
Speaker 4: So now you got it? All right, great, I'm glad
Speaker 4: you brought it up. Guess what, you don't have it? Yeah, boom,
Speaker 4: there you go. So there's no TP. Tony Polk ain't
Speaker 4: walking through that door. Tony door Set, ain't walking through
Speaker 4: that You don't have it. Old Zeke twenty sixteen, Z
Speaker 4: he's not walking through that door. That's not going to
Speaker 4: be your game.
Speaker 5: And I think that's why you and that's why you
Speaker 5: bet on Tony Parlard last year, was because you were
Speaker 5: saying he's that game breaker, he's that game changer, and
Speaker 5: you never saw that, even when you tagged him for
Speaker 5: all that money, you never saw him be that guy
Speaker 5: because he only gave you one one hundred yard game
Speaker 5: last season and you said he was top ten. And
Speaker 5: I'm saying this, I'm misused him.
Speaker 4: What So skip Pete form a running back coach.
Speaker 3: Skip set.
Speaker 4: When you had a guy like Pollard, you just don't
Speaker 4: make him your one guy and try to He's a
Speaker 4: part of a tandem. And the best usage you can
Speaker 4: go out of him was that kind of thunder lightning
Speaker 4: thing between Zeke and Pollard. The problem was they probably
Speaker 4: needed to change around the dynamic in making Tony maybe
Speaker 4: the starter more and getting him more playing time before
Speaker 4: they actually made him the starter. But he said, don't
Speaker 4: just put him back there and just say go be
Speaker 4: the one guy, Go be the workhorse. That's not the
Speaker 4: best use of his talent, I mean, And to me,
Speaker 4: I think he was correct.
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna just say this.
Speaker 5: I thought that last year Tony poly Rico dalore like
Speaker 5: kind of like one and the same. You didn't get
Speaker 5: as much of the change of pace that you needed
Speaker 5: from those two guys as running backs in that backfield.
Speaker 3: That's all.
Speaker 5: That's really all I can point to because really newly, fundamentally,
Speaker 5: I believe that a good running back and a good
Speaker 5: defense can win your championship.
Speaker 3: That's just what I believe.
Speaker 5: But that's to me, I found now that a lot
Speaker 5: of people view that as being a dated, dated train
Speaker 5: of thought when it comes down to football, because this
Speaker 5: is a past centric league. You need a guy in
Speaker 5: those moments where you're just talking about two to three
Speaker 5: games that would have been decided if you could score
Speaker 5: down in the red zone.
Speaker 3: That's big.
Speaker 5: That's the difference between being a one seed are playing
Speaker 5: in the wildcard. You feel what I'm saying, So I
Speaker 5: just look where. That's where I really feel like. Look,
Speaker 5: you are hanging on to everything you hear coming off
Speaker 5: of these boards of who's being cut, because you're still
Speaker 5: trying to find that guy. I don't think they're done.
Speaker 5: I don't think they're done looking for running backs because
Speaker 5: you can't. You can't bet the house that Dalvin Cook
Speaker 5: can be an eight hundred yard rusher for the season.
Speaker 3: I'm not looking for eight hundred from him. I'm looking
Speaker 3: for you.
Speaker 4: Just say Smorgas, board of these guys together, Okay, that's
Speaker 4: why I got Zeke under five hundred. I think this
Speaker 4: is going to be a true committee of guys. We'll
Speaker 4: ride who's hot, we'll ride the situation. We'll see where
Speaker 4: guys are going.
Speaker 5: At the end of the season. If it's fifteen yard,
Speaker 5: it's a success. If you have three guys or two
Speaker 5: guys with five hundred yards rushing, this is sea you
Speaker 5: would call it a successful experiment if you get that right.
Speaker 4: I'm not looking so much at the numbers to say,
Speaker 4: hey man, five five for Cook and and five for Zeke.
Speaker 3: Give me the are you converting in the red zone
Speaker 3: and scoring. Okay, good deal. You know, are you are
Speaker 3: you able?
Speaker 4: Are you able to complement your quarterback Dak Prescott and
Speaker 4: your defense? That's more I'm more concerned about that than
Speaker 4: I am necessarily yards, because we've seen we've seen people
Speaker 4: get that. You know, these diet coke empty calorie yards
Speaker 4: a lot. You know, you get down, you know you
Speaker 4: can get down in a game. The next thing you know,
Speaker 4: you're filling the stat sheet up. You look at the
Speaker 4: numbers in the Packer game. Okay, that adds some numbers,
Speaker 4: but the competitive phase was over. So I'm more concerned about,
Speaker 4: you know, how are you winning games than the numbers,
Speaker 4: because you could you could have Ezekiel Elliott have a
Speaker 4: forty nine yard rushing day, but he could have some
Speaker 4: really critical plays where he's moving the ball on third
Speaker 4: and two or he's scoring inside that red zone, and
Speaker 4: then that's more of an effectiveness there. So I don't
Speaker 4: think necessarily looking at numbers are going to tell me
Speaker 4: what I needed to get out of these guys as
Speaker 4: much as hey, what.
Speaker 3: Are the wins looking like? How are we able to
Speaker 3: keep our defense fresh here?
Speaker 4: How are we able to keep moving the ball and
Speaker 4: allow Dak because if we're if it's me, what is Mike.
Speaker 4: Mike's a passing guy, always been a passing guy. Can
Speaker 4: you run the ball effectively enough that Dak doesn't have
Speaker 4: to throw the ball forty to fifty times a game.
Speaker 3: That's what I would not want, And I.
Speaker 5: Guess and the only reason why I was questioning that
Speaker 5: because the one thing is I'm assuming that everybody feels
Speaker 5: like the running game is and is going to be
Speaker 5: a compliment to your quarterback. It's going to help him
Speaker 5: in those situations where he doesn't have to sustain drives
Speaker 5: by throwing the ball. If you could turn around and
Speaker 5: hand it off to a guy like Ezekiel Elite, if
Speaker 5: you could score down in the red zone, I just
Speaker 5: think that one. Even going back to those those those
Speaker 5: five losses, these are five games that you had where again,
Speaker 5: if you're able to convert, convert, you're able to win
Speaker 5: those games, as you pointed out.
Speaker 3: But then going back to the.
Speaker 5: Green Bay playoff game, if early that first quarter, if
Speaker 5: you're able to run the ball, that changes the dynamic
Speaker 5: of being down fourteen to oh quickly stop it.
Speaker 3: Or stop it.
Speaker 5: But I'm saying if you can run the ball, convert,
Speaker 5: pick up a first down, and still keep that offense
Speaker 5: on the sideline. Sometimes the best offense is the best defense,
Speaker 5: and that comes with the running game.
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Speaker 4: the biggest threat to the Cowboys in the East. The
Speaker 4: first thought is Philadelphia. But as I was trying to
Speaker 4: pick playoff teams, we know every year there's shuffles. It
Speaker 4: shuffles around. And Dan Quinn is in Washington. Now trader trade, Yeah,
Speaker 4: trader man.
Speaker 3: Trader.
Speaker 5: He left us not the first.
Speaker 3: Do attorney did it.
Speaker 4: Once went from being a coordinator here to coordinate a
Speaker 4: head coach of Washington and Bryan Day balls back with
Speaker 4: the New York Giants. I don't have a lot of
Speaker 4: faith in the g Men, But is it Philadelphia who
Speaker 4: got two different coordinators? Vic Fangi takes over the defense
Speaker 4: and Vic Fangjo was once the guy when he was coached.
Speaker 4: Denver came and came over to Jered World said here's
Speaker 4: the blueprint how to beat the Cowboys. And then they
Speaker 4: have Kellen Moore, former Cowboy quarterback and coordinator. He's now
Speaker 4: the offensive coordinator for the philip Eagles. So in your mind,
Speaker 4: heck Maherrison, who of the three is the biggest threat
Speaker 4: to the Cowboys to knock them off from being nfcas champion.
Speaker 5: That's but look, let me just say this, man, it
Speaker 5: is every time I see a news flash about the
Speaker 5: dysfunction in Philadelphia, I smile because for so many years
Speaker 5: they've just gotten that. Everybody's so kudos and high on
Speaker 5: their general manager and the signings that they're making, and
Speaker 5: guys are not very far removed from going to a
Speaker 5: super Bowl, super Bowl. But yet here are questions between
Speaker 5: Sirianni and Jalen Hurts, which to me is absurd between
Speaker 5: a guy that you paid a substantial amount of money
Speaker 5: to to lead your team.
Speaker 3: You bring in Saquon Barkley.
Speaker 5: Obviously your defense doesn't look the way that it used
Speaker 5: to now that Fletcher Cox has retired. But I think
Speaker 5: Philadelphia still is Philadelphia. I mean hasn't been a repeat
Speaker 5: NFC East champion since two thousand and four, and for
Speaker 5: good reason, because bad teams all of a sudden become good.
Speaker 5: And I think dan Quinn, because I loved him so
Speaker 5: much as a coach when he was here, realized that
Speaker 5: he is a real, true culture builder and he's going
Speaker 5: to do exactly that down in Washington, DC that I
Speaker 5: think with that rookie quarterback man, they have an opportunity
Speaker 5: to surprise a lot of people. I do know that
Speaker 5: there is going to be struggle anytime that you have
Speaker 5: a rookie quarterback, but defensively, I think with the guys
Speaker 5: that they've brought in and with the mind of Dan Quinn,
Speaker 5: it's going to be a problem for a lot of teams.
Speaker 5: And I don't want to just discount the New York Giants,
Speaker 5: but right now the Giants don't look like they're putting
Speaker 5: any effort into getting Daniel Jones any you know, supporting
Speaker 5: casts other than the god neighbors that they got from Lsha.
Speaker 4: Look all we had to do is watch the heart
Speaker 4: knocks and then tell y'all do they know what they're
Speaker 4: doing amongst each other? I mean that was there watching
Speaker 4: that heart knocks, and just I didn't understand the strategy.
Speaker 4: I go back into the strategy. I'm with you in
Speaker 4: terms of looking at Washington because he has meaning, dan Quinn,
Speaker 4: He's got institutional knowledge of what's here.
Speaker 3: He knows it.
Speaker 4: I was so right about Kellen Moore with the Chargers.
Speaker 4: Remember Church was fighting me on it fighting.
Speaker 3: I'm like that, ain't it? Man?
Speaker 4: And I was also right in terms of Mike McCarthy
Speaker 4: needed to be the guy they needed to move on
Speaker 4: from Kelly Moore. So Kellen Moore goes out to the Chargers.
Speaker 5: Kellen went to a seat. Let's be fair, though, Kellen
Speaker 5: was he went to a sinking ship, all right. So
Speaker 5: Kellen got on a sinking ship. That thing was already
Speaker 5: going down.
Speaker 4: What was what were we told about what Justin Herbert
Speaker 4: was going to do? Oh oh, he goes from Dack
Speaker 4: to Justin Hurry. He's with a better quarterback. Okay, Justin
Speaker 4: herb about to blow m v ple that that was
Speaker 4: what was put out there. Meanwhile, oh, you know, like, hey,
Speaker 4: you know he putting in out there though Dak limited
Speaker 4: him and Dak had all these picks last year, that
Speaker 4: Dak was the problem. You're working with an inferior, right,
Speaker 4: Dak goes to Mike McCarthy and leads the league in
Speaker 4: touchdown pass It happened to Justin Herbert. Well, Justin Herbert
Speaker 4: got paid, but they didn't make the playoffs. Head coaches fired,
Speaker 4: Kellen Wore's out of a job. So we saw how
Speaker 4: that thing just imploded. So now you're gonna go work
Speaker 4: with Jalen Hurts, who was having a couple questionable issues
Speaker 4: last year. People started, you know, chirping about him despite
Speaker 4: you know, being the super Bowl the year before. Jalen
Speaker 4: Hurts is not the same kind of quarterback with Dak Prescott.
Speaker 4: They're different quarterbacks. Okay, Okay, they're different. Their strengths are different.
Speaker 3: Because of his legs.
Speaker 4: Okay, and I think Dak is I think Dak has
Speaker 4: a better arm. So good players, but different. You know,
Speaker 4: so many times people are thinking, yo, black quarterbacks. You know,
Speaker 4: they're not. They're not. They're just not so that's why
Speaker 4: I would just say I think I'm just not sold
Speaker 4: on Calimore. And also knowing that the general manager, Howie Roseman,
Speaker 4: likes to be involved, Yeah, well they want to collaborations.
Speaker 4: I don't know how to go other And.
Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying for so many times you hear
Speaker 5: how Howie Roseman's name comes come up as the genius
Speaker 5: that gets these guys signed. And you know it made
Speaker 5: it to Philadelphia Bulldogs with all the Georgia acquisitions that
Speaker 5: they made out there. But I mean, look, I think
Speaker 5: no matter what, you could, possibly the Cowboys could could
Speaker 5: repeat as NFC He's champions. It'd be a twenty years
Speaker 5: since it's been done, but they are going to have
Speaker 5: the number one stop the run that happens. If the
Speaker 5: Cowboys do that, then I'm looking at a team that
Speaker 5: obviously offensively. If Dak Prescott and Ceedee Lamb they have
Speaker 5: a connection coming into this season, that doesn't take them
Speaker 5: five games to get started.
Speaker 4: Correct. Yeah, Hey, look, you know so on my head
Speaker 4: said off the run and also be able to run
Speaker 4: the ball in the red zone.
Speaker 3: Half full sure, I hope you have full so on
Speaker 3: the record.
Speaker 4: Biggest threat in the NFC East of the Cowboys is.
Speaker 3: For Heck Mahers. I'm going to Philadelphia, go Washington, Okay,
Speaker 3: I am going to go Washington.
Speaker 4: The institutional knowledge of Dan Quinn and his belief of
Speaker 4: being able to get because people up there and players
Speaker 4: up there, they're starving for something different what he brought
Speaker 4: here and how that defense was changed around here. I
Speaker 4: believe he can do some of those same things for
Speaker 4: them as well. Not saying it's going to necessarily result
Speaker 4: in them winning the East or making the play, but
Speaker 4: I do think we're going to see some you know,
Speaker 4: they're They're not going to be They're not going to
Speaker 4: be an easy game on Sunday.
Speaker 5: What are your thoughts on rookie quarterbacks, because most people
Speaker 5: believe the same thing about rookie quarterbacks. So you think,
Speaker 5: you know that Daniels, obviously in his first year at Washington,
Speaker 5: can have a substantial amount of success to lead them
Speaker 5: to a championship or just NFC East championship.
Speaker 4: Honestly, I have not seen enough of the young man
Speaker 4: to make a determination here in the preseason, but I'm
Speaker 4: a fan of Cliff Kingsbury. I think he's I think
Speaker 4: he understands offenses, very well. You just kind of look
Speaker 4: at his track record there and I just the biggest
Speaker 4: thing is just keep him in games and if you
Speaker 4: can get this thing to the fourth quarter. And we
Speaker 4: know they have defensive especially the D line, They've got
Speaker 4: talent there. It's just been a matter of unlocking it.
Speaker 4: And I think that Dan Quinn will be able to
Speaker 4: unlock some things that Ron Rivera was not able to do.
Speaker 3: In Washington.
Speaker 4: I also think Ron had too much on his plate
Speaker 4: in Washington as well. Dan's gonna be able to coach
Speaker 4: the team. They've got people in front office to run it.
Speaker 4: They have Ron doing a lot of stuff here, so
Speaker 4: I think they can be improved approved overall organization from that. Heck,
Speaker 4: this was fun, man, Will Yeah, we'll get after it
Speaker 4: on Monday.
Speaker 3: Didn't take us long to disagree. Or Tuesday, Tuesday, Tuesday,
Speaker 3: Labor Day, Labor day, labor Day. I'm not going to
Speaker 3: make you labor on Labor Day. Yes, yes, yes, Chris
Speaker 3: is gonna be working on Labor Day for sure. All right,
Speaker 3: that's players, Lou goodbye.
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