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Speaker 1: The latest news and notes from the insiders who cover

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Speaker 1: the team.

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Speaker 2: Touchdown, Tyler Murray. That defender is in multiple pieces.

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Speaker 3: All that was nasty right there?

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Speaker 2: Rights slamm the ground by fooda baker like a torpedo.

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Speaker 2: He came flying into the backfield. I ain't scared of nobody.

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Speaker 1: Here's Paul Calvic.

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Speaker 2: You guys know how it works here on Cardinals Underground.

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Speaker 2: If nothing else, you have to keep up with the

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Speaker 2: Joneses and right now on the Cardinals roster. Thanks for asking,

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Speaker 2: Danny Serek. There are seven Joneses. There's Christian Jones, There's

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Speaker 2: Elijah Jones, There's Jalen Jones, Justin Jones, Matthew Jones and

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Speaker 2: the brothers, zay In Bie Jones.

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Speaker 3: They're they're they're battling with the Purge.

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Speaker 2: We'll get to that in a minute.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 2: In fact, you know there is a direct correlation Cardinals

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Speaker 2: Underground poly Podcasts CPO. Still I believe I'm still CPO.

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Speaker 2: We'll see after my employee review a little bit later

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Speaker 2: this week. Darren Urban, Danny Sirek and once again keeping

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Speaker 2: up with the Joneses. And you know, we just can't

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Speaker 2: let the front office and football operations be the only

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Speaker 2: ones to add things, you know, and and flex on

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Speaker 2: your neighbors, sort of like yell to Froholt. He likes to,

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Speaker 2: you know, add things to his garage weight room, like

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Speaker 2: Atlas Stones, and then flex on the other dads in

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Speaker 2: his court. Same thing. Here, I'm gonna bust out something.

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Speaker 2: It's not often that I actually get off my rear

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Speaker 2: and actually go shopping, especially on behalf of the show

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Speaker 2: here when Darren Urban really is the one with the

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Speaker 2: expense account, but we spared no expense. In the following Danny,

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Speaker 2: here we go.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I love when we get par.

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Speaker 2: Giving a play by play.

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Speaker 4: Here we go, Paul is grabbing something out of a

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Speaker 4: bag under the table sounds to be struggling.

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Speaker 3: It's legal, I believe I have to be.

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Speaker 4: KU have no idea what this is.

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Speaker 2: It could be a little fraudy lee, if you know

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Speaker 2: what I mean? In fact, can I do I permission

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Speaker 2: to put it up here on a pedestal? Here we go. Okay,

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Speaker 2: what's the old what's the old marketing line? Leave the

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Speaker 2: light on for you? Well, that's exactly what we're going

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Speaker 2: to do between now and two weeks from now the

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Speaker 2: NFL draft boom? How about it? And three two one?

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Speaker 2: Let there be bird head illumination.

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Speaker 4: How about that nice job, really beautiful prop. It's a

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Speaker 4: cardinal head lamp light.

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Speaker 2: I know what you're thinking at this point, you're thinking,

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Speaker 2: is this colvc's equivalent of a Christmas story and the

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Speaker 2: dad putting the lady leg lamp up in the front

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Speaker 2: window for all the neighborhood to see.

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Speaker 3: Oh see, I was thinking, is it blocking my view

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Speaker 3: with a camera? There?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Jared? People, No, No, I'm fine, I'm fine. I can

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Speaker 3: see it's it's one of those it's one of those

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Speaker 3: photo things. If I can see the guy taking the

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Speaker 3: picture right then obviously we're good.

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Speaker 2: Shaite, Okay, all right, I just you know, look, Alex,

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Speaker 2: where are you? Since uh, I've had all decorating responsibilities

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Speaker 2: removed at Costa Calvic by my wife, I figure, well,

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Speaker 2: you know, maybe I'll bring my decorating talents here to

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Speaker 2: the studio Cardinals Underground.

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Speaker 4: You should bring that to your desk down the street

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Speaker 4: at the facility, because your desk is pretty bleak, Paul,

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Speaker 4: you don't have a lot of decorations.

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Speaker 2: What we have consensus in the control room, everyone's nodding

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Speaker 2: their head, really right, you know what? Maybe because I'm

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Speaker 2: all business around here. Maybe that's why.

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Speaker 3: Your desk over there looks a lot like Larry Fitzgerald's

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Speaker 3: house after about eighteen months in the NFL, when his

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Speaker 2: Or Cliff Kingsbury when they did the zooms during COVID

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Speaker 2: and he's got nothing on the wall except what the

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Speaker 2: painting of the lion? A painting I don't but uh wow, okay,

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Speaker 2: you know what. Now I'm on the edge of my chair. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I'm ready to podcast. Now I'm taking that personal week.

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Speaker 3: We are officially being told that it needs to come

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Speaker 2: So here we go, there we go. Okay, you know, look,

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Speaker 2: it's all part of the keyword this week. If you've

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Speaker 2: been following the market, this will be the one and

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Speaker 3: Are you doing this to me?

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Speaker 2: Do you know what the fear gauge is? Danny?

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Speaker 4: I don't know what anything regarding the stock markets.

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Speaker 2: The metric that measures volatility, more specifically, it's called the VIX.

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Speaker 2: It's the volatility indicator. Okay, so it it spikes in

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Speaker 2: times of uncertainty or upheaval, and so the VIX this

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Speaker 2: week was at an all time high, at least recent

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Speaker 2: high volatility. El grande, I say, you know what the

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Speaker 2: from the NFL Draft? I mean volatility? Are you kidding me?

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Speaker 2: Right now? Mania Sport has to be loving the fact

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Speaker 2: that I have at least six different position groups that

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Speaker 2: have been mocked at the Arizona Cardinals at this point.

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Speaker 2: Offensive guard, offensive tackle, detackle, edge, corner, receiver, not necessarily

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Speaker 2: in that order. In fact, if you want to Polly

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Speaker 4: I know we don't like math, but I think you

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Speaker 4: said six positions and wasn't that just seven? It's like

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Speaker 2: Pretty bad if I'm counting and using my fingers and

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Speaker 2: I still screwed it up. No wonder my hashtag I'll.

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Speaker 4: Live by no math, no judgment from me.

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Speaker 2: That would be. That would be pretty bad. So look,

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'll give you another example, since you look

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Speaker 2: a little dumbfounded here, Darren. Now you see the Adam

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Speaker 2: Schefter podcast as some sort to start this week, did

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Speaker 2: not Yes and Danny summarize what Adam Schefter was I

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Speaker 2: don't know trying to convey he wasn't reporting.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's pretty quick. Adam Schefter brought up the

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Speaker 4: concept of the Cardinals drafting Shadore standards at sixteen.

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Speaker 2: Yep. It was part of.

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Speaker 4: Me thinks, that's at this time of year you need

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Speaker 4: to say something that hasn't already been said. Is how

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Speaker 4: I kind of took that.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if something's going to kill the light is

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Speaker 3: I have been asked by one of our coworkers to

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Speaker 3: please reach out to mel Kiper and also tell him

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Speaker 3: not to put a wide receiver to the Cardinals in

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Speaker 3: the first round either. So between quarterback and wide receiver,

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Speaker 3: are we saying no to that?

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Speaker 2: Here's the exact quote from Adam Schefter on his podcast

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Speaker 2: this week. We're just talking and imagining. I don't think

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Speaker 2: it's likely, but I'm not completely dismissing it. I don't

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Speaker 2: think Arizona is likely, but there are questions about Kyler Murray.

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Speaker 2: What if all of a sudden, what if they take

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Speaker 2: Shador Sanders and it puts them in a position where

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Speaker 2: they can move on from Kyler Murray? Could there be

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Speaker 2: a bigger spike in the Vicks the volatility index. I've

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Speaker 3: I answered a question trying to remember what it was. Oh,

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Speaker 3: it was somebody asked a question about they had seen

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Speaker 3: an article about potential cap hits or cap casualties for

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Speaker 3: one person for every team at this point, and apparently

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Speaker 3: Jalen Thompson was put on there, and they were basically like,

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Speaker 3: is this something that could happen?

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Speaker 2: And because he's due between eight and nine and has

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Speaker 2: no guaranteed money next year this coming year, but I.

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Speaker 3: Number one ninety nine point nine, I'm never going to

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Speaker 3: rule anything completely out, but I ninety nine percent believe

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Speaker 3: Jalen Thompson is part of his team this year, and

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Speaker 3: I would say that one of my my answer, and

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Speaker 3: this kind of goes to the Schador Sanders stuff. Right now,

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Speaker 3: everybody's looking for reasons to speculate about all kinds of stuff.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we've all seen the mock draft where they

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Speaker 3: ESPN decides every pick is traded and let's see what

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Speaker 3: let's make an article out of that. So like when

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Speaker 3: about one guy in every team that could be a

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Speaker 3: cap casualty, even though half the teams don't need a

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Speaker 3: cap casualty and it will never happen, we still got

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Speaker 3: to put something there. That's kind of how I feel

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Speaker 3: about the Shadeur Sanders stuff. To the Cardinals, we're just

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Speaker 3: talking to talk right now because we've run out of

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Speaker 2: Either that or somebody, you guys were at the combine,

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Speaker 2: did you see anyone with a Cardinals logo on? I mean,

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Speaker 2: not as resplendent as my Cardinals bird head lamp or anything,

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Speaker 2: but maybe someone went over to Schefter and sort of

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Speaker 2: hey and tried to plant the seed that the Cardinals

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Speaker 2: might take quarterback at sixteen, Why to force the Pittsburgh

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Speaker 2: Steelers to come up from twenty one.

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Speaker 3: No, No is the right answer.

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Speaker 2: No. I just love all the wording we're talking, we're imagining.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's any but I'm not completely dismissing.

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Speaker 4: If we're going to have any realness to this scenario.

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Speaker 4: It's not even a guarantee that Sanders would be there

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Speaker 4: at sixteen for Pittsburgh. Now, I don't necessarily think Sanders

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Speaker 4: goes top ten per se this draft, though the mocks

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Speaker 4: have been so interesting because it's not as a line

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Speaker 4: to the first ten to twelve picks as it usually

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Speaker 4: is in previous year. So Sanders is a wild card.

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Speaker 4: I've seen mock dress where he's not even drafted in

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Speaker 4: the first round. So I really don't know. But it

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Speaker 4: doesn't seem like a guarantee that even at sixteen, in

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Speaker 4: that scenario, that he'd be available for Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna say I I was going to say I'd

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Speaker 3: put a lot of money on it, but a I

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Speaker 3: would never wager and be now is not the time

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Speaker 3: to be wagering anything foolish. There's no way shod Or

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Speaker 3: Sanders isn't a first round pick. Now. I don't know

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Speaker 3: where he goes in the first round, but there's no

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Speaker 3: way he's not a first round pick. Agreed, Agreed.

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Speaker 2: I think unless teams somehow are terrified of the circus

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Speaker 3: That's not the circus. The circus may might make some

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Speaker 3: people hesitate, but it doesn't make them hesitate if they

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Speaker 3: think he's the real deal quarterback.

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Speaker 2: I mean, most likely he's not getting past nine in

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Speaker 2: New Orleans. I don't think we'll see. But to your point, Danny, yeah,

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Speaker 2: you could throw a dart at the board and look

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Speaker 2: at the speculation. Is Shuder even going in the first round?

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Speaker 2: I agree with you, Darren, He's most likely going to

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Speaker 2: go in the first round. What about Josh Simmons, standout

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Speaker 2: offensive lineman for Ohio State suffered the pateller injury? Okay?

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Speaker 2: Some have him going as high as ten. Some have

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Speaker 2: him in round two Tyler Booker, Alabama guard because he

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Speaker 2: ran the poor forty didn't test that well. Some have

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Speaker 2: him going as high as ten, once again to the

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Speaker 2: Bears on the role line. Some have him going to

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Speaker 2: the Cardinals, like mel Kiper's final mock that dropped this

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Speaker 2: morning going to the Cardinals at forty seven. Hey, I'm

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Speaker 3: There's no way Tyler Booker is at forty seven, correct.

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Speaker 2: James Pierce. Some have as high as thirteen to the Dolphins.

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Speaker 2: Quite a few have the Cardinals at sixteen taking the

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Speaker 2: Tennessee All American, two time first team All SEC guy.

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Speaker 2: Others because of supposed questions about his character, he's that

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Speaker 2: I agree with you, Danny, like, there's usually fifteen players

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Speaker 4: All that stems from the quarterbacks. That's where it all

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Speaker 4: a certain extent. When you're talking about Josh Shimman, specifically

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Speaker 4: be ready to go Week one wherever he's drafted, typically,

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Speaker 4: when you've got an offensive lineman that's proven and that

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Speaker 4: that's not something that's going to hinder somebody from taking

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Speaker 3: The thing is is we talk about the quarterbacks. I

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Speaker 3: normally I would agree with you because the quarterbacks are

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Speaker 3: with you that not knowing where I mean, I think

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Speaker 3: What it feels a lot more up in the air

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Speaker 3: we know Abdul Carter's going top five, we know I

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Speaker 4: It seems like the general consensus is these are players

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Speaker 4: you typically see in a draft, right, like a Nick

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Speaker 2: Well, what did Daniel Jeremiah tell you at the combine

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Speaker 2: fit with his characterization to the overall talent pool, right, absolutely,

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Speaker 2: all right, So a lot of the same wording that's

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Speaker 2: It's almost as if they were edited in a certain way,

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Speaker 2: which I think is a good segue to this week's

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Speaker 3: Please tell me your clip and that you have to

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Speaker 4: Do we have like an out of context sloperwheel or something?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 2: My fire emoji?

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Speaker 3: Who's being lazy here?

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Speaker 4: I lost to Drake.

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Speaker 3: At least Drake's bitting somebody?

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Speaker 2: Are you talking about the beef with Kanye West?

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Speaker 4: Mike Tyson's naked butt? Three times for my request?

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Speaker 2: Appreciate that?

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Speaker 3: See I listen to your work. It's good work.

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Speaker 4: Yes, see, your work is good. I read your work.

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Speaker 2: You guys are actually lobbing compliments at each other as

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Speaker 3: Go ahead, I value Danny Suraka. Tell God that just got.

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Speaker 4: Out of context.

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Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers, We're back to that, Paul.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, for the content.

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Speaker 2: Here's a famous story. Okay, well not famous, I guess

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Speaker 2: in my own mind.

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Speaker 3: Aren't jeez?

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Speaker 2: I'm mister Johnson kind of you got a moon for

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Speaker 2: a couple of questions.

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Speaker 3: If you don't have the mustard anymore, you won't be

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Speaker 4: There are worse problems to have, yes, and oh, by

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Speaker 4: the way, after you have some of them, would you

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Speaker 3: He's got like eighteen million followers on Instagram or something.

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Speaker 4: Wow. Yeah, but you never know who's about this is fair.

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Speaker 2: They have Darren fatigue, sort of like the nation at

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Speaker 2: cheese fatigue. What you're saying, it's in Darren's best interest fatigue. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's there, cheese fatigue.

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Speaker 3: And I'm like, what people cheese? You did say? Cheese fatigue?

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Speaker 2: Okay, son of a biscuit.

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Speaker 4: Ravioli by sign me up Texas style chili yum.

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Speaker 3: There's like murderers coming, assassins. Whatever, we have to go

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Speaker 3: right now? What's going on? Stop you're scaring me?

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Speaker 4: Don't you want to know what's going on?

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Speaker 2: That's fine.

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Speaker 3: Have the conversation in the freaking car when you're driving away.

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Speaker 3: Bad things were about to go down. It is not

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Speaker 4: Darren. How do you relax?

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Speaker 2: Let's cinema take you somewhere you've never been before.

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Speaker 4: You know, just just to go ahead, suspend Kim over there.

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Speaker 3: There was all kinds of crap going on. Its steal

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Speaker 4: I thought this was a football podcast.

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Speaker 3: That's draft.

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Speaker 4: When are we saying all those things?

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Speaker 3: That's the bad part is like half of them, I'm like,

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Speaker 2: I need analytics on the out of context. I feel

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Speaker 2: right shoulder, former co host of The Big Red Rage

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Speaker 2: for four years, call Les Campbell. Come on down, the

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Speaker 2: big Man. It's amazing how he provides Paully protection around

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think that's a I think it's a

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Speaker 2: And I agree, I don't think show hands. I'd say no,

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Speaker 3: I'm with you. I think that's when we talk about

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the defensive line got ravaged last year by injury.

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Speaker 3: There is no such thing as too many. If you

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Speaker 3: And I think that's I agree with you. I think

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Speaker 2: It's almost like Manias Sports said, you know what, after

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Speaker 3: This year. And then the other concern, and this seemed

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Speaker 4: You don't turn down a good player will make your

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Speaker 2: I mean mel Kiper's final mock Danny has Tyler Booker

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Speaker 4: Forty seven, so that I don't know if that's happening.

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Speaker 2: He's not getting past the Lions at the end of

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna go off the sheet here, off the game plan,

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Speaker 2: and I'm gonna throw at you guys a brand new,

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Speaker 2: say need or want?

439
00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:02,440
Speaker 4: Need?

440
00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:06,680
Speaker 3: Darren, I would say need. At this point, I would agree.

441
00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:08,360
Speaker 4: Evan Brown is on a one year deal, is say

442
00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:10,800
Speaker 4: Adams just going into his second year? Those are your

443
00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:13,639
Speaker 4: starting guards. It's a position that you can never have,

444
00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:16,800
Speaker 4: in my opinion, enough depth on the offensive line.

445
00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:22,639
Speaker 2: Cornerback, need or want. We've seen today Baron mock to

446
00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:25,680
Speaker 2: the Cardinals at sixteen out of Texas Jim Thorpe Award winner.

447
00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:28,240
Speaker 2: We've seen Will Johnson out of Michigan. He's gonna have

448
00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:31,080
Speaker 2: his pro day on Monday because he've been dealing with injuries.

449
00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,760
Speaker 4: I'm going to surprise myself and I'm actually going to

450
00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:38,560
Speaker 4: say need and not necessarily for week one of the season.

451
00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:41,200
Speaker 4: But similar to how we were talking about looking long

452
00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:43,480
Speaker 4: term of the defensive linemen and some of the contracts,

453
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,239
Speaker 4: looking at that in the secondary is we know that

454
00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:49,879
Speaker 4: this staff feels good about Sean Murphy, Bunting and Max

455
00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:53,880
Speaker 4: Meltain and Starling Thomas. Who do they feel good about

456
00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:57,080
Speaker 4: past that didn't get to see Elijah Jones? How do

457
00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:00,000
Speaker 4: they feel about Keetrall Clark? If there's a future there.

458
00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,800
Speaker 4: I just think there's a drop off when you start

459
00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:05,919
Speaker 4: to go into the depth of that room. And so

460
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,560
Speaker 4: if there's a player that you feel can come in

461
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:10,399
Speaker 4: and be a star for you for a couple of

462
00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:13,399
Speaker 4: years that you can develop, I would be good with that.

463
00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:16,400
Speaker 3: I'm gonna for cornerback, I'm gonna go want and I'm

464
00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,919
Speaker 3: gonna say this, like you mentioned, first of all, you

465
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:22,320
Speaker 3: mentioned basically the top two cornerbacks after Travis Hunter. So

466
00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,040
Speaker 3: if one of those guys is sitting there at sixteen,

467
00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:27,040
Speaker 3: I'm gonna think long and hard if I really like

468
00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:30,600
Speaker 3: the guy. But I'm doing it because of the player

469
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,400
Speaker 3: and not because of the position. Like if I think

470
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,560
Speaker 3: that guy can come in and become my CB one

471
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:40,160
Speaker 3: at some point, yeah, I'm gonna seriously consider that. I'm

472
00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,520
Speaker 3: not going into it going, oh, we need a cornerback

473
00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:46,240
Speaker 3: and that's what we need. Am I gonna be beside

474
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:49,639
Speaker 3: myself if let's say they stick with six choices. Am

475
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:51,439
Speaker 3: I gonna be beside myself? If there is not a

476
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:52,960
Speaker 3: cornerback selected in this draft?

477
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:56,560
Speaker 2: I will not I mean, if if Will Johnson you know,

478
00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,720
Speaker 2: is he's a little undervalued because he got injured half

479
00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,200
Speaker 2: of his final year at Michigan and you're looking to

480
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 2: the next Patrick Certan or Derek stingleyre exactly.

481
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 4: Then yeah, that sounds I feel like that's kind of

482
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,000
Speaker 4: the pace I was on. Whatever, I'll just stick with me.

483
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 4: But you guys know what I mean.

484
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 2: Corner Uh what about wait a minute, middle linebacker need

485
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:20,720
Speaker 2: or want? Kaiser White as of right now, is not

486
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:24,160
Speaker 2: on this team, and no one really knows if there

487
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:27,120
Speaker 2: is a future with Kaiser White, need or want middle.

488
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:31,960
Speaker 3: Linebacker, I'm gonna I'm going to say that's a need,

489
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:36,120
Speaker 3: not necessarily a need in at pick sixteen, but I'm

490
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 3: gonna say it's a.

491
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:44,200
Speaker 2: Need, Danny, it's a need, uh wide receiver need or want?

492
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:45,359
Speaker 4: Want?

493
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:47,560
Speaker 3: What?

494
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:48,680
Speaker 4: Why is that so fat?

495
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 3: It was because I was waiting for you to add

496
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:55,360
Speaker 3: damn it to that, like want damn it, I would say,

497
00:23:55,520 --> 00:24:00,440
Speaker 3: I would say, I'm going to say that a want.

498
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:02,879
Speaker 3: I don't think it's a need. I don't think it's

499
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:06,359
Speaker 3: a need right now, but I'm counting on some moves

500
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,479
Speaker 3: forward by the guys that they have. I'll be honest.

501
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:10,880
Speaker 3: Remember this time you obviously disagree.

502
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 2: Well, this time a year ago, we had our Moga

503
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 2: hat on make offense great again. You know, Marvin Harrison

504
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 2: Junior and that that whole thing. Remember that far back,

505
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 2: and you know it's still in need. I think you were.

506
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 2: You were top five in the NFL and explosive run

507
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:30,120
Speaker 2: plays of both ten yards and twenty yards top five

508
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 2: both categories, but you were bottom third in explosive pass place.

509
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:38,680
Speaker 2: That's with a record setting tight end, that's with a

510
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:42,680
Speaker 2: standout running back and run game James Connor and Company.

511
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,879
Speaker 2: So okay, what what does that mean? Yes, you're expecting

512
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 2: and looking forward to a second year jump by Marvin

513
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 2: Harrison Junior. But what is he missing? He's missing a

514
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,679
Speaker 2: running made a wide receiver two in some regards, and

515
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 2: if he can run a four to three, that's even better.

516
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 4: I just I think there are still well, not question marks,

517
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:05,440
Speaker 4: but benchmarks that this staff feels can still be hit

518
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,439
Speaker 4: by the players in that room to keep it as

519
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 4: a want and not a need. I feel like that

520
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 4: this staff feels Marvin Harrison Junior can get to that

521
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 4: next level with the pieces in this room. We didn't

522
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 4: see a lot of Jay Jones, who didn't play for

523
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,119
Speaker 4: the first couple of games, didn't have a lot of opportunities.

524
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 4: The fact that he is still here, this staff really

525
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:25,440
Speaker 4: likes something from him and we might see more of

526
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 4: him in the future. What kind of strides is Michael

527
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 4: Wilson taking right? And the big question is what is

528
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 4: Harrison going to do? And it's jumped from year one

529
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:37,400
Speaker 4: to year two, whether that is run after catch, route, running,

530
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 4: contested catches, all of those things. I don't disagree with

531
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:46,359
Speaker 4: you that something was missing from the passing game. And

532
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 4: I'm not disagreeing that I don't think something needs to

533
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 4: be done. I just see this more as maybe in

534
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 4: preseason or training camp when cuts start to be made,

535
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,679
Speaker 4: or maybe we get a better answer on if Xavier

536
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:02,120
Speaker 4: Weaver going into year two is that deep threat for me, Paul.

537
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 3: When you ask these wants versus needs, it becomes a

538
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 3: very tangible thing to me in terms of if it's

539
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,399
Speaker 3: a If it's a want, then it's something that you

540
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,399
Speaker 3: want to look at in the draft. If it's a need,

541
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,160
Speaker 3: you would seriously consider it in the first round. Would

542
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 3: you seriously consider a wide receiver in the first round?

543
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 3: M I mean probably not, Okay, I mean I I know,

544
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,479
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to. That's and that's kind of how

545
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,479
Speaker 3: I'm looking at. If you're talking about a need and

546
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 3: there's a really good receiver there, then you need a

547
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,400
Speaker 3: seriously consider in the first round. Otherwise you can't really

548
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 3: say it's a need if you're not willing to go

549
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 3: in the first round.

550
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 2: In my opinion, I guess I have different levels of need.

551
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,199
Speaker 2: I mean there's glaring need and then there's you know,

552
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 2: I mean it's need, yeah, need. Last one, I'm not

553
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 2: going to go through the whole depth chart edge because

554
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 2: there are a lot of edge players who are still

555
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:57,400
Speaker 2: getting mocked to the Arizona Cardinals need or want.

556
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go need, I'm gonna go needy. The Cardinals

557
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 4: did themselves a huge favor bringing in Josh Sweat, re

558
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,920
Speaker 4: signing Baron Browning. You are expecting Bijojalari to come back

559
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,919
Speaker 4: and be healthy and be an impact player, and you

560
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,919
Speaker 4: have Zave and Colin still here. I don't know that

561
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 4: having Ojelarian Sweat this season as the two players you

562
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 4: didn't have last year, if that's enough of a change.

563
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 4: And I think the fact that the last handful of years,

564
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:31,239
Speaker 4: consistent pass rush, consistent disruption has not been there. I

565
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,920
Speaker 4: don't think the fact that you are expecting Gojeli return

566
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 4: and you signed Josh Sweat is enough to feel like, Okay,

567
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,959
Speaker 4: we have made enough. I think that's another position too,

568
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 4: where development can take time. And so if you feel

569
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,719
Speaker 4: like there is a player that you see a future

570
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 4: here with, I don't I think it's hard to pass

571
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 4: on that.

572
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:50,879
Speaker 3: I'm with you. I will say, like a guy, like

573
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 3: is it Shamar Stewart. They did with one and a

574
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 3: half second I'm not touching somebody like that. If if

575
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 3: you I need to, if you're going to spend a

576
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,679
Speaker 3: high pick on a guy, if you want to do

577
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 3: that in like the third of the fourth round and

578
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 3: you want to try and develop somebody, Okay, but I'm

579
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,880
Speaker 3: not touching one of these high profile has all the measurables,

580
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 3: but has never produced anything, not not early.

581
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 2: See, there's another guy I got to add to the

582
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 2: list of absolute wild cards, right, Shador Sanders, Josh Simmons,

583
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 2: Tyler Booker, James Pears Junior, Shamar Stewart. Now that I

584
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 2: mean he's top ten some mocks. He's middle around two

585
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 2: in others.

586
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 3: And that's why, because he's when you draw up a guy,

587
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 3: that's him, right, He's got four and a half sacks

588
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 3: in three years.

589
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,400
Speaker 2: He's six five two sixty seven runs a four five

590
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 2: nine forty. I'm looking at right here. You realize that's

591
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 2: faster than cam Skataboo. And he's been asked repeatedly about

592
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 2: where was the production potential versus production, and he said,

593
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 2: and I quote, sometimes the stats don't tell the whole story.

594
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 2: It's all about the film. And when you look at

595
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 2: the film, you can really see what's going on.

596
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 3: For the most part, I think he can disrupt. I

597
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 3: saw something the other day, though the number of tackles

598
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 3: he misses that he doesn't finish now, I don't know

599
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 3: if that's all about the sacks or is that if

600
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 3: that's just his overall play. But I mean, I don't

601
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 3: want a defender who's and again, I don't remember. The

602
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 3: part of the problem that right now is like you

603
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 3: see different stuff. I've seen some stuff on James Pierce.

604
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 3: I've seen and you don't know if this is now

605
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 3: misinformation season where people are trying to get negative, so

606
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:28,959
Speaker 3: maybe a guy drops a little bit. I don't know.

607
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 2: Well, with that in mind, According to Ian Rappaport NFL Network,

608
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 2: James Pierce Junior spent Monday of this week with the Cardinals,

609
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 2: visited the Cardinals Walter Nolande to visit the Cardinals this week,

610
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 2: and then after the Cardinals he goes to the forty

611
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 2: nine ers. He's the guy who had the combine said quote,

612
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 2: I'm the next Aaron donald Man and then Adam Schefter

613
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 2: says that, and here's a guy I really am not

614
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 2: familiar with. Have you heard of South Carolina defensive tackle TJ.

615
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 2: Sanders visiting on Tuesday this week with the Cardinals.

616
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 3: I have, but that's because I've been in a bunch

617
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 3: of mock draft loopiness, so I've seen a lot of

618
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 3: these names. I couldn't tell you much about him as

619
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 3: a player, but I have seen his name, Darren.

620
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 2: You're not doing those whole simulated drafts. Oh, it's so

621
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 2: deep sea.

622
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:22,719
Speaker 4: The power, the control, my goodness, the control of someone's future.

623
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 2: How money per day are you averaging? Because you know

624
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 2: we almost got sitting there.

625
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 3: You're sitting there watching a ball game on your couch

626
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 3: at night and flip it on. It takes you five minutes.

627
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 3: It's interesting.

628
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 2: Are you in control of this habit to you? Do

629
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 2: you need a little? Do we you know? Is there

630
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 2: one eight hundred number you need to?

631
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 3: Let me tell you something. It's a lot healthier than

632
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 3: some of the other habits I could have.

633
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 4: Some of your other vices.

634
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 3: Are that my kids have?

635
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 2: What is there a segue out of that, Danny that

636
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 2: you would like to know? Let you handle that kids.

637
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 3: We haven't even talked. We haven't even talked about we

638
00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 3: haven't had a chance to talk about Trey McBride getting

639
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 3: a giant extent.

640
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 2: Was the segue twenty five, Ty McBride, how about that?

641
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 3: I mean, golf's really well gets seventy six million dollars.

642
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 2: Hey, you got to you have to earn something like

643
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 2: that to afford green fees these days in Arizona, this

644
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 2: time of year. My goodness. Uh, okay, So do we

645
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 2: give Zavon a hard time next time we see him

646
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 2: for putting a double bogie on Trey McBride's scorecard when

647
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 2: he picked up his ball during the whole too? Oh,

648
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 2: I don't know, negotiate the most valuable tight end contract

649
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 2: in NFL history. I mean that that was. That was

650
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 2: a little come on, that was uncalled for it. It's

651
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 2: not winning behavior, at the very.

652
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 3: Least behavior I see, if.

653
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:39,719
Speaker 2: You're trying to win. I was going to say, all right,

654
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 2: so here's my question. Can Trey McBride resume the same

655
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 2: role he basically had last year, and that is he's

656
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 2: target one, He's basically tight end one is basically wide

657
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 2: receiver one in this offense? Is that feasible, sustainable, viable?

658
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 2: I mean a few people have kicked that around, and

659
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 2: I think, well, I mean Patrick Holmes number one target

660
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 2: for how many years has been Travis Kelcey Lamar Jackson's

661
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 2: number one target for how many years? Has been Mark

662
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 2: Andrews because they've struggled to add to the wide receiver

663
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 2: room in Baltimore for at least five or six years.

664
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Speaker 4: Right, they just got DeAndre Hopkins.

665
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 2: They keep trying kicking the tires new guys year after year.

666
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 2: Forty nine ers, right, Deebo, Samuel Brandon Ayuku had been

667
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 2: injured up and down years. What's been the one constant

668
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 2: in San Francisco? George Kettle? So do you guys? I

669
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 2: mean he's paid like a number one receiver obviously, Well,

670
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 2: can he continue to be the primary target in the passing?

671
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 3: Let me frame it a different way, because yes, of

672
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 3: course he could continue to be the primary target. My

673
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 3: question to you, Paul and Danny, I put it to

674
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 3: you is if he is the primary target, can you

675
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 3: win a lot of games that way? Because that's the

676
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 3: question not whether he can be the Of course he

677
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 3: can be the primary target. The question is is your

678
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 3: offense going to click? Well, if it's that way, I

679
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 3: think there is a way to do it.

680
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 2: Yes, did he draw double and sometimes triple coverage at

681
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 2: times last year? Like all three levels of the defense

682
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 2: were paying attention to number eighty five. Yes, and you

683
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 2: could contend that the Cardinals offense should have made defenses

684
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 2: pay to a greater degree than they did based on

685
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 2: all the attention the gravitational pull that Trey McBride was getting.

686
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 2: And you know, Drew Petsen has yet to have a

687
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 2: suggestion box outside his office, but if he did, he

688
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 2: maybe put a slip of paper in there and say,

689
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 2: you know what, let's implore some of these other weapons

690
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 2: to take advantage of the defense of space that they're

691
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 2: getting because of.

692
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Speaker 4: Eighty five, especially in the red zone. That's not all

693
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 4: on McBride, but he was very efficient in every other

694
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 4: part of the field except for when it was right

695
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 4: outside the end zone. So that's something that I'm looking

696
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 4: for change this season. And again that's not just on

697
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 4: the tight end. I don't see why he couldn't continue

698
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 4: to be that player and have that role that he

699
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 4: had this previous year. He's shown that he can do it,

700
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 4: and he's shown he can do it in a very

701
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 4: short amount of time. I mean to become the highest

702
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 4: paid tid end in NFL history, and deservingly so when

703
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,280
Speaker 4: you look at his play and not even just the numbers.

704
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 4: Hardly hardly played his rookie year, came off the bench

705
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 4: his second year, he was still playing behind zach Ertz.

706
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 4: Didn't get an opportunity to really be an impact player

707
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 4: until Artz got hurt and he spent what was it

708
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 4: eight ten games without his quarterback Kyler Murray, who was

709
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 4: rehabbing his knee. So with all of that, to still

710
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 4: put out the production that McBride has and earn the

711
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 4: contract he has to keep him here through the twenty

712
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 4: twenty nine season is very impressive. He's young, He's twenty five.

713
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 4: I don't think he's anywhere close to have hit his ceiling.

714
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 4: It is a question though, of who, in an ideal world,

715
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 4: who is the leading receiver, who's the number one go

716
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 4: to player in this offense? Because while I don't have

717
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 4: a problem with McBride, it's a big question of should

718
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 4: it be Marvin Harrison Junior? Should it be your number

719
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 4: one receiver?

720
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Speaker 3: Well, I'm going to start by saying, I'm imagining Paul

721
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 3: going up and banging on Drew Petsing's door to demand

722
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 3: certain things in the offense. I would love to see that.

723
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 2: I did not say that it was a hit and

724
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 2: run a slip the paper into a suggestion boxing that

725
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:15,240
Speaker 2: doesn't exist.

726
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 3: Uh, listen to make Drew.

727
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 2: And the onus really is more on the players in

728
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 2: that huddle than it is the offensive coordinator because guess what,

729
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:24,839
Speaker 2: you have an opportunity to get single coverage and get open.

730
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 3: I mean, if you draft Marvin Harrison fourth overall, the

731
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 3: expectation is at some point he's going to be that guy.

732
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 2: I mean, this time of year ago, our answer to

733
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 2: Dan's question would have been, Marvin Harrison Junior is going

734
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 2: to be your leading receiver.

735
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,760
Speaker 3: That said, if this team goes out and Trey McBride

736
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,320
Speaker 3: is still the number one target and they win twelve

737
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,879
Speaker 3: or thirteen games, and they win a playoff game or two,

738
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:47,320
Speaker 3: nobody's going to complain.

739
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 4: And then that works if you continue to win, if

740
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 4: you can use McBride and how you have to use him,

741
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 4: and you can rely on your receivers for those other

742
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 4: big time moments when McBride is double or triple teamed

743
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 4: and you can spread the ball out when you need to,

744
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 4: but continue to move the offense through McBride. That works.

745
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 4: That just wasn't the case on a consistent enough basis

746
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 4: last year do.

747
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 2: You think he's going to stop hurdling defenders.

748
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 3: No, that's really the money, he says.

749
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 4: That's what he joked when he was asked at his

750
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 4: press conference of joking that was the first line in

751
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 4: his contract.

752
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 3: But he said to us Paul, the last line he

753
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 3: said about that when you asked him about it, I

754
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 3: want to stop. We'll see how long that lasts.

755
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 4: When you're in the moment, you can't stop it.

756
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,359
Speaker 2: It's I don't know, it's funny. I don't know if

757
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 2: it's stunny.

758
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:37,800
Speaker 3: You're laughing, so you must think it's quite funny.

759
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 2: He's almost ashamed of his hurdling.

760
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 3: Well, my guess is he gets really sheepish. My guess

761
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,439
Speaker 3: is the head coach has probably said something to him

762
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 3: that would be my guess his body is. It reminds

763
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 3: me in high school when my sons were playing and

764
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 3: the coach. The coach when they were in high school

765
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 3: had a rule which was basically, and at that point

766
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:08,320
Speaker 3: the high school they were going to, they had a

767
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 3: handful of guys who could dunk, and the rule was

768
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 3: you can dunk, but you better dunk because if you

769
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 3: go up for a dunk and you miss when you

770
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 3: could have gotten a layup, We're gonna have problems. And

771
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 3: that's kind of how I feel like this hurdle thing

772
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 3: is like I think Jonathanna's like, go ahead, hurdle all

773
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 3: you want. If you make a mistake at any point

774
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 3: where you get hit wrong, when you're in the air,

775
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,919
Speaker 3: you get hurt, there's going to be hell to pay.

776
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 2: See.

777
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 3: That's that's what I'm guessing. By the way, I don't

778
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 3: know that for I've always had.

779
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 2: The luxury of not having to worry about that. So

780
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 2: that's good. We'll get to winning behavior here in a minute.

781
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 2: But speaking to the head coach, do you hear what

782
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 2: another head coach had to say about Jonathan Gannon Mike McDaniel,

783
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:50,359
Speaker 2: This is Kevin Clark ESPN. Is he the He works

784
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 2: for SPN?

785
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 3: Now, everybody works for ESPN now. Peter Schrager just moved

786
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 3: over to.

787
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 2: At the NFL league meetings, he had basically a couple

788
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 2: of a couple of deck chairs set up very informal

789
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 2: doing Q and a's. He must have a good relationship

790
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 2: with a lot of the decision makers, okay, and so

791
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,240
Speaker 2: he asked a variety of questions. Mike McDaniel, next level

792
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 2: IQ and he was asked to Okay, you know what

793
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 2: coach out there gives you problems or maybe doesn't get

794
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 2: enough credit. And I'm quoting now Mike McDaniel, Dolphins head coach,

795
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 2: not to be confused with Mike McDonald Seattle head coach quote.

796
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 2: I think a guy that doesn't get enough credit is

797
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,959
Speaker 2: coach Gannon in Arizona. He's kind of taken a non

798
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 2: traditional approach to feature a really good player in Buddha Baker.

799
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,280
Speaker 2: This guy's all over the place, a lot of blitzing

800
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 2: going on, a lot of shell coverage, a lot of

801
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 2: defensive coaches that are really good at their jobs. Shout

802
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 2: out Nick Rolis as well, and it was very genuine.

803
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 2: If you watch it, you know he sort of takes

804
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 2: his time in delivering it, and you could tell he's

805
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 2: flashing back to the Cardinals win in Miami. Mike McDaniel

806
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 2: what he had to deal with in terms of the

807
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 2: schemes and looks that JG and Nick Rowlis showed the

808
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 2: Dolphins offense the same way.

809
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 4: We talk about player knowing players, coaches know coaches, and

810
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 4: when a player is complementing a player doesn't get much

811
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 4: higher than that. And I think same with coaches, and

812
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 4: what Gannon has shown, not just Arizona but the league

813
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 4: the last few years, I think is pretty telling.

814
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 2: It's interesting. I googled up a couple of things that

815
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 2: he was talking about. It's amazing how many wanna be

816
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,280
Speaker 2: coach videos are out there, Oh yeah, of people breaking

817
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 2: down the Cardinals defense, especially the second half of last year.

818
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 2: The scheme itself, what they were doing with three safeties,

819
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,879
Speaker 2: boodhed the wild card, Could he be deep third? Could

820
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 2: he be in the box? Could he be coming on

821
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 2: a run? Blitz? How many of these want to be

822
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 2: coaches on YouTube are breaking down what the Cardinals are

823
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:42,479
Speaker 2: doing in terms of the scheme.

824
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 4: That's also because the second half of last season, Cardinals

825
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 4: secondary was some of the best in the league in

826
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 4: terms of keeping opponents out of the end zone.

827
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 3: Also, if you ask Nick Rolis or Jonathan Gannon or

828
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 3: even Buddha Baker if they were letting him move around more,

829
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 3: if doing something different.

830
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 4: They weren't going to tell you, yeah, we tried.

831
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 3: You asked that question two or three times.

832
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 2: I think more than that it was three or four times.

833
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 2: I did get a little bit of a hent at

834
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 2: the end, a little bit a little bit, and basically

835
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 2: it was something like this, I my note somewhere, but

836
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,479
Speaker 2: off the top of my head what I was able

837
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 2: to glean and it wasn't much, but it was something

838
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:19,760
Speaker 2: along the lines of the defense was where when Buddha

839
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,760
Speaker 2: was going to shoot his gun, meaning he saw something

840
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 2: where he was going to shoot the gap, barnstorm the backfield,

841
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,879
Speaker 2: and they were ready to take his responsibilities if he did.

842
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 2: That's what they incorporated. And they got him closer to

843
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 2: the ball itself, closer to the box in the box

844
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 2: quite a bit, just so teams couldn't go away from

845
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 2: him as easily.

846
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 4: Why wouldn't you If he's capable of all this mentally physically,

847
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:49,919
Speaker 4: he's willing to do it, why not. We've talked about

848
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,399
Speaker 4: how when you're looking at the interception numbers, how they're

849
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 4: not super high, and Buddha Baker has talked about, Yeah,

850
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 4: because quarterbacks don't want to throw to me, okay, So

851
00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 4: if you can find other ways to have him make

852
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 4: life difficult for a quarterback, it makes complete sense to

853
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 4: me if everybody is on board to do that.

854
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 2: But otherwise, you guys are pretty much right. I spent

855
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 2: six months getting the heisman, the only one who got

856
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 2: the heisman more than me was was Travis Hunter. Pretty

857
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 2: much the entire all right, winning behavior here we go.

858
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:19,760
Speaker 2: Can you display winning behavior?

859
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 4: You have to consistently display winning behavior.

860
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 2: That's winning behavior.

861
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,879
Speaker 4: You've got to define what winning behavior is and hold

862
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 4: people to that standard.

863
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm gonna go off the page and I'm gonna

864
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 2: give props a shout out to Dawn Staley women's head

865
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 2: coach South Carolina Basketball Sun's head coach. Hey. Yeah, either

866
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 2: that or Mike Malone who was just canned by the

867
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 2: Denver Nuggets. I don't know. Anyway, For the second straight year,

868
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 2: even after a devastating loss in the national championship game,

869
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 2: she took time out to salute the local media, calling

870
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 2: the local media really the life blood of the program

871
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 2: in so many ways, thanking them for their constant coverage,

872
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 2: for really knowing the team, saying she turns down a

873
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 2: lot of national interviews because they don't know her team.

874
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 2: And I thought that was really cool, And she said,

875
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 2: you know what, you cover us really well, and I really,

876
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 2: really really there's seven reallyes appreciate all of you. That

877
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 2: was a direct quote.

878
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 3: I will say this. Obviously, it can be a little

879
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 3: self congratulatory when we praise coaches for media interactions. But

880
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 3: I will say that two things about don Staley that

881
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 3: strike me. One, I was watching that game and they

882
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:41,439
Speaker 3: absolutely got their doors blown off in the championship, and

883
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 3: they they she had to go do at one point

884
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 3: in the second half. What I cannot stand, which is

885
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 3: the end game coaches interview. I hate those with a

886
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 3: passion talk to them after the game. We don't need

887
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 3: to talk to them during the game. You certainly don't

888
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,280
Speaker 3: need to talk to a coach who's losing by twenty

889
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 3: some points with like eight minutes to go in their season.

890
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 3: What are they gonna say? But I thought she handled

891
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 3: it really professionally. She didn't come across like she was angry,

892
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 3: and I love that when a coach is willing to

893
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,959
Speaker 3: do that. You mentioned what you said. Also, yeah, she's

894
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 3: a hell of a coach. Like I just love everything.

895
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 3: I love how she carries herself, I love how she coaches.

896
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 3: And I know you kind of smile when I said it.

897
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,879
Speaker 3: I said this after Vogel got fired. I'm like, I'd

898
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 3: be all in for Don Staley getting to be the

899
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:25,439
Speaker 3: first woman.

900
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 2: And I mean, now they coach now that he takes

901
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 2: sixty seconds to process it. Who do you think would

902
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:30,799
Speaker 2: get more out of this current son's roster?

903
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 3: That's what I keep thinking.

904
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 2: The last three head coaches are Don Staley. There wouldn't

905
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 2: be any quiet quitting out in the court, like we sa.

906
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 3: Her resume is both a player and a coach, and

907
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 3: just how she carries herself. I feel like she's got

908
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 3: that kind of charisma that would carry over. It doesn't

909
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 3: matter what gender she was coaching.

910
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 4: That's my personal It's a lead by example. And I

911
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 4: think the fact to you even before that game when

912
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 4: whenever Staley was asked about pagebackers and she you know,

913
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 4: gives her her praise and then kind of turns it

914
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 4: on her team and her mind the people who aren't

915
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 4: the media who isn't covering her team all year of

916
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 4: what her team has accomplished and making sure they get

917
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:10,720
Speaker 4: their praise as well. It is big props to local media.

918
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:14,240
Speaker 4: We talk about the growth of women's sports and women's coverage,

919
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 4: and deservingly so, a lot of that does go to

920
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 4: the teams, the coaches, the players, right and all of that,

921
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 4: and props also goes to local media for their coverage

922
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 4: and a lot of outlets that have grown their coverage

923
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 4: in the last couple of years.

924
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 2: About more props winning behavior style. To the national anthem

925
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 2: singer at the Cubs game the other day, it went

926
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 2: something like this.

927
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 3: All the less.

928
00:44:39,080 --> 00:45:17,240
Speaker 2: The if you're scoring at home. That was twenty five

929
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 2: seconds on the word free with about seventeen thousand ease

930
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:22,359
Speaker 2: on the end of it.

931
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 4: That was incredible breath control.

932
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:25,760
Speaker 3: That was wow.

933
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 2: That was some serious cardio right there.

934
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 3: I'll be honest, I've got it. I would need more

935
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 3: context to discern and if that's winning behavior or not.

936
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 2: No, it's winning behavior, because it really wasn't his fault.

937
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 2: He really stepped in. He saved the keysters of the

938
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 2: flyover pilots. They were late late because on the jumbo

939
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 2: tron if you see the video in the very far distance,

940
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 2: here comes the flyover, a speck on the horizon. They're

941
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 2: getting bigger and bigger. He can see the jumbo tron,

942
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,359
Speaker 2: I presume, and he's like, I'm trying to sync up

943
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 2: the anthem with the arrival.

944
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,320
Speaker 3: Of the fly that's big time winning behavior.

945
00:45:58,719 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 2: And so he stepped in.

946
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,840
Speaker 3: I apologize for throwing any shade. I was not familiar

947
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 3: with your game.

948
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 2: Which two things really quick. I checked the temperature because

949
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 2: it looked really cold at Wrigley Field on April fourth.

950
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 2: And as someone who's been there and done that, I

951
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 2: worked two years in Chicago, and the only times I

952
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 2: could get the Fox Sports Net tickets to a Cubs

953
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 2: game at Wrigley was in April. Why because it was

954
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 2: in the forties and you'd sit out there and you're

955
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 2: trying to convince yourself you're enjoying your ice cold old

956
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 2: style beer and it's forty something degrees out there, And

957
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,839
Speaker 2: sure enough I looked and it was forty nine that day.

958
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:33,839
Speaker 2: And what I love is the all time high and

959
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 2: low on April fourth in Chicago. The all time highest

960
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:39,280
Speaker 2: seventy nine degrees and the all time low is sixteen.

961
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 2: So you talk about the Vicks, the volatility index that

962
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 2: is Chicago weather in the month of April.

963
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 3: It's gonna be one hundred this week in Paul, I.

964
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 2: Don't want to talk about that.

965
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 3: I don't.

966
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 2: I'm going to pretend you didn't say that.

967
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:50,760
Speaker 3: Non winning behavior by mother Nature, dammit.

968
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 2: And the other little shout out. As a two year

969
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 2: resident of the three one two. If you ever go

970
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 2: to Chicago in July, maybe August. Go to the Air

971
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 2: and Water show right there off North Avenue Beach aw

972
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 2: double ding. Really well done. You see all the fivers.

973
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 2: So there's that. What else do we have for a

974
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 2: winning behavior?

975
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 3: How about non winning behavior by the security team at

976
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 3: the Final four? Oh yeah, Houston won their semi final

977
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 3: and a Keem Olajuan, only one of the greatest basketball

978
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,760
Speaker 3: players of all time and the best University of Houston

979
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 3: player of all time, and they and he was sitting

980
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 3: pretty close to court side and they wouldn't let him

981
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:22,760
Speaker 3: on the damn floor.

982
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 2: I mean two words, brew toll. It's a Keem elijahwan.

983
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 3: I don't get it.

984
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 2: I mean, Houston basketball hasn't done anything of notes since

985
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 2: he was the star, him and Clyde Drexy.

986
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:37,280
Speaker 3: I mean, this is this is the worst one since

987
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 3: the Golden State. Security wouldn't let the Toronto Raptors GM

988
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 3: on the court. But at least a lot of people

989
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 3: won't necessarily know what the the GM of the Toronto

990
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 3: rap I mean, how do you not know what a

991
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 3: Kim Olajuan looks like? For goodness sake?

992
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:56,359
Speaker 2: When Houston is the team in the National Championship Game,

993
00:47:56,719 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 2: all right, in the last one two words die wolves.

994
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 2: You guys saw this Game of Day and stuff did so.

995
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 3: I don't know about Game of three, talk about seeing that.

996
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 2: But non winning behavior, non extinct species because the geneticists

997
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 2: brought back dire wolves. Okay, can I get a reaction

998
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 2: on this?

999
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 3: Here comes Jurassic Park.

1000
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 4: I think it's kind of cool, right, this is what

1001
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 4: makes science cool to bring back? Well, I guess you

1002
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 4: said it technically wasn't bringing back from extinction, But doesn't

1003
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 4: it kind of make you wonder? You know, twenty three

1004
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 4: meter going bankrupt's gonna get wrowned with science in the

1005
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 4: next couple of decades.

1006
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,479
Speaker 3: I wish more people out there felt like science was cool.

1007
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:38,439
Speaker 3: But that's a topic for another day.

1008
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:43,280
Speaker 2: They're supposedly bringing back wooly mammos, I'm telling you, speaking

1009
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 2: of Jurassic is a club.

1010
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 4: Isn't the globe too hot for a wooly mammoth?

1011
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,319
Speaker 3: Well? I mean then it works out well, right, like

1012
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 3: in like fifteen years, we're all going to go extinct

1013
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 3: and then it had just be gone again or you

1014
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 3: could just shave it.

1015
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 2: Do you think in fifty years this might have a

1016
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 2: sports angle? Like do you think there might be a

1017
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 2: way to Sorry Larry, but bring back Larry Fitzgerald. You know,

1018
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 2: put in some some young do some genetic engineering, and here,

1019
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 2: I mean, you need another receiver according to the mock

1020
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 2: draft people, you know you can you just you're you know,

1021
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 2: Larry never so technically file his retirement papers, right, I mean,

1022
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:20,359
Speaker 2: just bring him back?

1023
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 3: And all coloning athletes are we are we letting these

1024
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 3: guys play at sixty? What are we doing exactly.

1025
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 2: What I'm saying. I wonder if you know there'll be

1026
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 2: a lifetime of all Pro football from future football stars.

1027
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1028
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 3: I think I saw this in a movie sometimes not

1029
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 3: the Purge movies.

1030
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 2: But uh, okay, what's the last question we have with

1031
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:44,359
Speaker 2: two weeks to go before the draft? Is there anything

1032
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 2: else out there that you think is going to you know,

1033
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:52,919
Speaker 2: materially move the meter for the Arizona Cardinals. The fact

1034
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 2: we still have not had a trade in round one

1035
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:59,240
Speaker 2: is definitely remarkable in some ways, right, don't.

1036
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 3: You think at this point because of the QB thing,

1037
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:02,839
Speaker 3: it would have to be on the clock now. I mean,

1038
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 3: we're not going to have the Titan because the Titans

1039
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 3: are gonna want cam Ward and that would be really

1040
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 3: the only thing that would happen right now, right.

1041
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:13,879
Speaker 2: I would think, yeah, I mean unless somebody's gonna come

1042
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 2: up all the way. I mean speaking of Shador Sanders,

1043
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 2: Colorado had their pro day and the New York Giants

1044
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:22,799
Speaker 2: had like fourteen members of their front office at that

1045
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 2: pro day. Of course it was both Travis Hunter and

1046
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 2: Shador Sanders. But are they have to maybe make a

1047
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 2: move up the board a little bit? There are six

1048
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 2: teams that don't have a long term answer at quarterback

1049
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:38,800
Speaker 2: right now, Tennessee, Cleveland, both New York teams, Pittsburgh and

1050
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 2: New Orleans. So desperation and necessity can be a huge driver,

1051
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 2: especially on draft days.

1052
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 4: Is there room for a third personality in New York's

1053
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 4: quarterbacks room?

1054
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 2: I'm going Russell Wilson, Jamis Winston, Tommy Cutletz, you know

1055
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:55,360
Speaker 2: what I'm talking about.

1056
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 3: I'm going to back up here a minute to your

1057
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 3: point off. There are six teams without long time like,

1058
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 3: what's long term? Do the Rams have a long term

1059
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 3: answer at quarterback? Do the SNA Hawks have a long

1060
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:05,360
Speaker 3: term answer at quarterbacks?

1061
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 2: That's a good point for Wow, that is a good point. Interesting.

1062
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 2: Sean McVay was quoted earlier today is saying, yeah, I

1063
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:16,839
Speaker 2: haven't really studied the quarterbacks very much.

1064
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:21,320
Speaker 3: Liar, didn't I think mel Kuiper? Was it mel Kuiper

1065
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 3: that put Jackson Dart to the rams in the first?

1066
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 2: Oh? I could see that. I could definitely see that,

1067
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 2: because he got some good mileage out of Baker Mayfield

1068
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:33,479
Speaker 2: kind of a similar skill set perhaps, I mean yeah,

1069
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:37,359
Speaker 2: I could most definitely see that, no question about it.

1070
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:42,280
Speaker 2: And once again Sam Darnold behind that Seattle offensive line.

1071
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 2: Good luck with that. We'll see how Mike McDonald likes

1072
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 2: that one. All you know is if I could put

1073
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 2: a tariff on all the mock drafts and all the

1074
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 2: rumors and the reports and the misinformation starts.

1075
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 3: To stock market. He ends with tariffs.

1076
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 2: Oh, I mean you want to pay down the national debt?

1077
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 2: I mean, just put a tariff on all the misinformation.

1078
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 3: I'm not going to.

1079
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 2: Don't you have a meeting to make darrens I do?

1080
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 3: It's my review, actually, is it?

1081
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:08,240
Speaker 2: I tell you what if you walk in with something

1082
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:11,279
Speaker 2: like this, this is most definitely winning behavior. You walk in,

1083
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:13,359
Speaker 2: you give her our boss surf, this sort of you know.

1084
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 3: Can we can we get you? Like I mean, can

1085
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 3: we get you a portable power thing and have you

1086
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:20,879
Speaker 3: walk into the office down the street with that on.

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Speaker 2: Two things, I'm gonna have a battery pack added to

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Speaker 2: this so it's mobile. And then I'm gonna turn into

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Speaker 2: like the Cardinal's own cheesehead bird head hat. I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: turn this into a hat. That would be pretty cool.

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Speaker 3: I don't see you as a hat guy.

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Speaker 2: Then okay, uh, you know, the forehead like this. Anything

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Speaker 2: to detract from my forehead and that'll do it for

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