WEBVTT - INTERVIEW: Candace Parker Talks 'The Can-Do Mindset,' WNBA, Retirement, Relationship, Dr.Umar, Stephen A. +More

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<v Speaker 1>Wake that ass up in the morning.

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<v Speaker 2>The Breakfast Club Morning.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody is the j Envy just hilarious, Charlamagne the gud

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<v Speaker 1>We are the Breakfast Club. We got a special guest.

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<v Speaker 2>In the building.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, indeed the legend, Candas Parker.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome, thanks for having me all you feeling nice being

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<v Speaker 2>in the room. Goodness man, nice having you.

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<v Speaker 3>You know you're one of those people like you know,

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<v Speaker 3>people always say like, who would you ever want an interview?

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<v Speaker 3>And you really be like, I don't know because you

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<v Speaker 3>can't really think of nobody. But then when you see

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<v Speaker 3>you on the schedule, You're like, oh shit, Candas Parker.

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<v Speaker 3>I'd love to have a conversation with Candas Parker.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate you.

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<v Speaker 3>I really enjoyed your book, That Can Do Mindset, How

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<v Speaker 3>to cultivate resilience, follow your heart and fight for your passions.

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<v Speaker 3>Can you break down why you called it the Can

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<v Speaker 3>Do Mindset?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Growing up nicknamed can short for Candace. You know that,

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<v Speaker 2>but my mom. I grew up with two older brothers

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<v Speaker 2>eight and eleven years older than me. And fast forward.

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<v Speaker 2>My oldest brother played ten years professionally, played alongside Lebron

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<v Speaker 2>for years. My middle brother became a doctor, and so

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<v Speaker 2>I just saw the enormous role models that were doing

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<v Speaker 2>so many great things, and I think sometimes I doubted myself.

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<v Speaker 2>And so my mom from the time I was little

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<v Speaker 2>two three years old, she'd always see the doubt in

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<v Speaker 2>my eye and she'd always be that can do And

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<v Speaker 2>it just became my mantra, and it became my voice

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<v Speaker 2>in my head. And I mean it took me through

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<v Speaker 2>high school knocking down game winning free throws to shoot

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<v Speaker 2>even now, and so then it became an acronym for

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<v Speaker 2>community authenticity, navigating negativity, loving the dash, which is the

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<v Speaker 2>journey in between, and seizing and creating opportunity.

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<v Speaker 1>Well congratulations. On August twenty fifty at Jersey will be retired,

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<v Speaker 1>well deserved. How does that.

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<v Speaker 2>Feel to go back home to Chicago. I grew up

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<v Speaker 2>in Naperville, and I grew up a Chicago Bulls fan.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, they won six championships in the nineties when

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<v Speaker 2>I was living there, and so it became synonymous with winning.

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<v Speaker 2>So to go back and play basketball in front of

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<v Speaker 2>the people that first saw me pick up a ball,

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<v Speaker 2>and then to win a championship in front of the

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<v Speaker 2>people first saw me play basketball, I don't think. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>that was super special. I couldn't have written it any better.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, I think first you dream of a

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<v Speaker 2>championship being up in the rafters, and second you dream

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<v Speaker 2>of your jersey as well.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I think it was in the authenticity section

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<v Speaker 3>of the book you were talking about, you know, being competitive, right,

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<v Speaker 3>and how people don't let women be competitive the way

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<v Speaker 3>that the men are. So when you see and I

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<v Speaker 3>know you get this all the time, but when you

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<v Speaker 3>see the Caitlin Angel rivaly or whatever you want to

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<v Speaker 3>call it, isn't that just women being competitive?

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's women being competitive. But honestly, I think

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<v Speaker 2>that the more visibility you get, the more scrutiny you're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna get. I mean, that's just nature as women. I

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<v Speaker 2>think society always tries to put you in a box.

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<v Speaker 2>So as athletes, we fit outside that box. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>you're either too muscular, you're not competitive enough. But then

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<v Speaker 2>when you show competitive nature, it's not ladylike. So whatever

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<v Speaker 2>you do as a woman, I feel like until we

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<v Speaker 2>break that mole in society where it's like okay for

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<v Speaker 2>us to be fierce competitors, I think you're always going

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<v Speaker 2>to have a different narrative, and so yeah, I look

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<v Speaker 2>at it like it's competitive and it's two people going

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<v Speaker 2>at it, and sometimes I think it's overblown. Sometimes I

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<v Speaker 2>think that like you're making a basketball play and then

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<v Speaker 2>there's fifteen angles from different cameras that try to, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>make it something it's not. So I don't know. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just excited where women's sports is in general right now,

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<v Speaker 2>right because people are talking about it, people know the names,

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<v Speaker 2>people are following the brands, and a lot of it

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<v Speaker 2>has to do with the visibility of it. Women's sports

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<v Speaker 2>has always been there. It's just a matter of people

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<v Speaker 2>tuning in and paying attention. And I think organizations, broadcasters

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<v Speaker 2>all that giving it a chance to succeed, not putting

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<v Speaker 2>it head to head up against NFL, not putting it

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<v Speaker 2>head to head up against finals or MLB or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I think now we're seeing more women's basketball,

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<v Speaker 2>and because of that, I think that's why it's grown.

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<v Speaker 3>The reason I have think we I watch a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of women's basketball, and I've been watching Angel since college.

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<v Speaker 3>So since even that Caitlyn incident, I've seen her and

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<v Speaker 3>Leah Thomas have a little kerfuffle like she's always getting

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<v Speaker 3>into it with somebody, but it's not the same reaction

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<v Speaker 3>from people.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just to me, it's.

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<v Speaker 3>Just like women out there playing ball.

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<v Speaker 2>They're being competitive and I think ballplayers know that. But

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<v Speaker 2>now you're getting the casual fans that don't understand that

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<v Speaker 2>type of basketball. So I think it's a competitive nature. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>are there things that cross the line? Yes, are there

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<v Speaker 2>comments and you know, discussions behind things as cross the

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<v Speaker 2>line one hundred percent, and I think, you know, we

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<v Speaker 2>have to get that under control. But to me, I

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<v Speaker 2>think half the time is more competitive than anything.

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<v Speaker 1>But does rivalry as well. I remember, you know Reggie

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<v Speaker 1>Miller with the choke signed. We you know, we still

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<v Speaker 1>want action with him. Regardless, it's still things that's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>make the press push it a little more.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, I'm sorry, man, I'm sorry about what happened. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's okay, though maybe next year. Listen. I'm a Bulls fan,

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<v Speaker 2>so you know we're at saying if you're not first,

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<v Speaker 2>your last, So technically it's like we weren't even in

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<v Speaker 2>the playoffs, So it's okay.

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<v Speaker 1>And I want to ask, you know, you dominated the

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<v Speaker 1>w NBA broadcast a mom author which was the most

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<v Speaker 1>difficult journey, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Why motherhood is a journey that is the greatest gift,

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<v Speaker 2>gives you the most rewarding feeling, but it's also the

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<v Speaker 2>hardest job that you can have. You think you have

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<v Speaker 2>it figured out, and then you have another kid, or

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<v Speaker 2>you think you have it figured out, and there's another

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<v Speaker 2>stage of life. I have a sixteen year old daughter,

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<v Speaker 2>a three year old son, and a one year old son,

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<v Speaker 2>and they are all different, and they have all taught

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<v Speaker 2>me so many different lessons, and I'm just super grateful

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<v Speaker 2>for not only what I'm able to bring to the

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<v Speaker 2>table and what I teach them, but the lessons they've

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<v Speaker 2>taught me. Like, they have humbled me so many times,

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<v Speaker 2>they have checked me so many times. They have made

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<v Speaker 2>me look myself in the mirror and ask myself, am

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<v Speaker 2>I doing what I'm asking them to do? And so

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<v Speaker 2>I think motherhood is one of those things where I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just so grateful for it. I'm so grateful for my

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<v Speaker 2>daughter and what, you know, us being able to kind

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<v Speaker 2>of go through my career and grow up together and

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<v Speaker 2>fumble and bump and live across the water and all

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<v Speaker 2>of those things. And then I'm super grateful to be

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<v Speaker 2>able to now take a moment with my sons and

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<v Speaker 2>be able to have a different type of perspective in

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<v Speaker 2>motherhood and parenthood.

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<v Speaker 3>What's a moment in motherhood that made you feel more

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<v Speaker 3>powerful than any championship ever did? Was it you finally

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<v Speaker 3>got her hair right?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's so interesting. She's sixteen now, she's just

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<v Speaker 2>got her permit. You know, she's getting ready for her

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<v Speaker 2>super sweet sixteen that's coming next week. And honestly, I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's just those moments where she comes and climbs

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<v Speaker 2>in my bed and we watch a TV show and

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<v Speaker 2>we're able to have those like just conversations about what's

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<v Speaker 2>on her mind and things like that. So that to

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<v Speaker 2>me is like, it's not the big things, it's not

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<v Speaker 2>the celebrations, it's not you know, all those things, just

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<v Speaker 2>like those little moments for me that make me super

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<v Speaker 2>grateful for you know, our relationship.

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<v Speaker 3>I love the way you broke that down in the

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<v Speaker 3>Fumble chapter though, because it's just like, I got four daughters,

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<v Speaker 3>so I've seen that struggle, but I've never seen nobody

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<v Speaker 3>like really talk about how stressful it is to want

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<v Speaker 3>to get your daughter's hair correct.

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<v Speaker 2>When I tell you so growing up, it was like

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<v Speaker 2>my mom my hair was always laid like. It was

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<v Speaker 2>like she would tell me, no, we're not having everybody

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<v Speaker 2>talk about how you look crazy. You know. I had

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<v Speaker 2>the Bretts, I had the braids. I was the little

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<v Speaker 2>girl and her only girls. I was dressed, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>all those things. And you know, I think all of

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<v Speaker 2>the black girls out there can understand. Fried died late

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<v Speaker 2>to the side. I mean I had relaxer at six

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<v Speaker 2>years old. So when it came to like my daughter's hair,

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of took those same kind of foundation from

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<v Speaker 2>the mom mentality of trying to control. And my daughter

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<v Speaker 2>has taught me, like she loves her hair, she wants

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<v Speaker 2>to wear it in her natural style, she wants to

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<v Speaker 2>try different things, and I've had to kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>take a back seat and learn to not try to control.

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<v Speaker 2>There are some days where I, you know, I let

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<v Speaker 2>her do what she wants to do with it, and

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<v Speaker 2>it has become a process and it has become something

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<v Speaker 2>that you know, I have learned to kind of take

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<v Speaker 2>a back seat for. And I'm grateful for her for

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<v Speaker 2>teaching me.

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<v Speaker 3>That what part of your personality do you think was

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<v Speaker 3>misunderstood the most during your planning career in this book

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<v Speaker 3>helped you to, like I guess, reclaim the narrative.

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<v Speaker 2>What's so crazy to me is I think when you're

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<v Speaker 2>going through just trying to figure stuff out, you're just

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<v Speaker 2>trying to figure shit out, like that's what you're trying

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<v Speaker 2>to do, but you're going through life trying to like

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<v Speaker 2>mask it. And for so many parts of my life,

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<v Speaker 2>during some of my greatest triumphs, winning championships, winning MVP,

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<v Speaker 2>I was going through struggles behind the scenes, within motherhood

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<v Speaker 2>and balancing that within relationships, within you know, trying to

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<v Speaker 2>figure out how to be authentic and who I am.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think the person that I became in that

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<v Speaker 2>process and who I was for my teammates wasn't always great.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't always who I was, And so I think

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<v Speaker 2>through writing this book it has helped me better understand

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<v Speaker 2>who I want to be, who I commit to be,

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<v Speaker 2>but also like giving myself grace through those moments, because

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<v Speaker 2>I think sometimes we show up and we feel like

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<v Speaker 2>we have to be this at work, but we're still

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<v Speaker 2>not ourselves and the people around us know that, and

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<v Speaker 2>then they start treating us like those people that we

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<v Speaker 2>aren't and then it just snowballs out of control. So

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<v Speaker 2>I think who I am. People may have had a

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<v Speaker 2>different idea, you know what I mean. And I wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>always proud of the way that I treated my teammates

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<v Speaker 2>or how I showed up to work every day. But

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes when you're just trying to show up and you're

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<v Speaker 2>trying to make it, you know, that's the best that

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<v Speaker 2>you can do. I think I kind of like went

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<v Speaker 2>through that and processed that in writing this book.

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<v Speaker 1>What was the most difficult thing you had to write

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<v Speaker 1>in a book? The one difficult thing it was like

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<v Speaker 1>thought about maybe I should take out or you cried

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<v Speaker 1>or it was that hard.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really difficult to tell stories that are that need

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<v Speaker 2>to be told, that aren't going to paint certain people

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<v Speaker 2>in a positive light. And I think I struggle with

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<v Speaker 2>that because I like to take the blame. I like

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<v Speaker 2>to take the onus on myself in games and losses

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<v Speaker 2>and mishots and whatever. I like to say that I've

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<v Speaker 2>always had a part in whatever happens. And so writing

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<v Speaker 2>this is trying to figure out how do you tell

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<v Speaker 2>these stories and how do you tell it where it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's your story to tell, whereas you're not telling somebody

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<v Speaker 2>else's story, because I was very conscious of that. So

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<v Speaker 2>just kind of talking about like my parents' divorce and

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<v Speaker 2>talking about you know, leaving the Sparks, the La Sparks

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<v Speaker 2>and deciding to go to Chicago, talking about my wife,

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<v Speaker 2>and then also like near and dear to my heart,

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<v Speaker 2>like Coach Summit, my coach in college passed away in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty sixteen, and kind of navigating that and what to share,

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<v Speaker 2>what's intimate that I need to keep with myself to myself,

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<v Speaker 2>and what can I share and what I have her

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<v Speaker 2>blessing and sharing.

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<v Speaker 3>Has your greatness ever made you feel isolated? Like people

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<v Speaker 3>only saw Kansas pocket a player, but not can just

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<v Speaker 3>pok at a person?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's so crazy. You know in basketball, there's

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<v Speaker 2>like a finite time, right the ball is gonna eventually

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<v Speaker 2>stop bouncing, you know, Father Tim, I mean, Lebron has

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<v Speaker 2>kind of proven that's not the case, but for most

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<v Speaker 2>of us, But it's like your identity becomes the game,

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<v Speaker 2>Like you keep the main thing, the main thing that's

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<v Speaker 2>been my gift my whole life. Basketball has been the

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<v Speaker 2>main thing. I gave up prom like left prom to

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<v Speaker 2>go to basketball, lived abroad to play basketball. But it's

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<v Speaker 2>like when you retire, your identity of the who and

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<v Speaker 2>the what is separated, and you realize, like the people

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<v Speaker 2>that really saw you for who you are versus what

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<v Speaker 2>you did. And so I think that was the biggest

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<v Speaker 2>struggle for me, is like everybody has that mourning that

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<v Speaker 2>death after you retire. I mean, I love basketball. It

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<v Speaker 2>was my first love. And so I think, yeah, like

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<v Speaker 2>separating my identity from that, and I was very conscious

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<v Speaker 2>of trying to show people like I am a history buff,

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<v Speaker 2>I love to travel, I'm a foodie, I love wine, tequila,

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<v Speaker 2>connoisseur like all of those things. I'm so much more

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<v Speaker 2>than just basketball. And so having that separation, I know,

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<v Speaker 2>is like huge for athletes. It is a struggle like

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<v Speaker 2>talking to people that have retired and have gone and

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<v Speaker 2>walked that path because it is it is the death

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit who well to grieve with my family, honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>my wife, I'll say my brother as well. My oldest

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<v Speaker 2>brother went through this and he seamlessly transitioned. I planned

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<v Speaker 2>the transition ahead of time, you know. I started commentating

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<v Speaker 2>gosh way back in twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen. I started transitioning.

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<v Speaker 2>I started doing more business and paying attention and wanting

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<v Speaker 2>to be at the table and in meetings and things

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<v Speaker 2>like that. So the transition occurred before it officially the

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<v Speaker 2>ball officially stopped bouncing. But boy, there were days where

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<v Speaker 2>I'd wake up and it's just like you miss that

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<v Speaker 2>feeling of walking in and eighteen thousand people are screaming

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<v Speaker 2>your name, and like the feeling of like your family's

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<v Speaker 2>identity is that, like they plan their summers around when

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<v Speaker 2>my games were, or trips or as a kid you've

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<v Speaker 2>been doing. It's an a in It's crazy because you realize,

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<v Speaker 2>although I don't like attention, that's not what I played

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<v Speaker 2>basketball for. It's an event. You go play, everybody watches

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<v Speaker 2>you play, the attention your parents give it is and

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<v Speaker 2>then afterwards everybody's like where are we going to eat?

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<v Speaker 2>You go eat. Then it's like you know, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>like you don't realize how much of that is a

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<v Speaker 2>part of your life. And so for me, I think

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<v Speaker 2>that was the hardest thing. But like I said, I

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<v Speaker 2>have my family. We had my son last year and

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<v Speaker 2>he just he just was like he had the ability

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<v Speaker 2>to make me stop and realize, like that's where I

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<v Speaker 2>was supposed to be. I've always been fifteen million different places,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I think, honestly, my son Heart made me

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<v Speaker 2>really appreciate retirement because I got to enjoy all the

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<v Speaker 2>little things.

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<v Speaker 1>But jealous is not the right word. But do you

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<v Speaker 1>ever get jealous or feel a way when you look

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<v Speaker 1>at the way MWNBA players are treated now than when

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<v Speaker 1>you guys played. I just remember, like two three years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>I was on a plane flying from Atlanta and there

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<v Speaker 1>was some players from the Atlanta team. They were in

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<v Speaker 1>the back of the plane and they couldn't get first

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<v Speaker 1>class seats and they were riding and they were struggling, and

0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:44.680
<v Speaker 1>they even said, and Beau talk this, talk about this

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<v Speaker 1>on the radio. But now when you see and they're

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<v Speaker 1>starting to fly private and they start to make a

0:14:48.760 --> 0:14:50.800
<v Speaker 1>little more money, they start making endorsements, do you ever

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<v Speaker 1>feel a way like damn.

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<v Speaker 2>You got to feel it.

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<v Speaker 3>You got to feel it a little bit of that.

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>What's so crazy though, I'm like the biggest Steph Curry fan.

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<v Speaker 2>You remember when he signed deal. It was like a

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<v Speaker 2>forty million dollars deal years ago, and everybody, no, no, no,

0:15:05.320 --> 0:15:08.080
<v Speaker 2>it's for the NBA. It was right after his ankle injury,

0:15:08.480 --> 0:15:10.160
<v Speaker 2>and everybody kept asking him about it because it was

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<v Speaker 2>right during their run in twenty fifteen. He was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I never counted another man's pocket, Like that's just not

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<v Speaker 2>what I do. I feel like that's the purpose, Like

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<v Speaker 2>if we didn't leave it better, what are we doing?

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<v Speaker 2>Like I don't want them to have to go through

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<v Speaker 2>what we went through. But I also know that Cheryl Miller,

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<v Speaker 2>who never got to step foot in the WNBA, didn't

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<v Speaker 2>want me to not have have a league to play in.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know what I mean? And so I think like, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes would it have made Would I scored more points

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<v Speaker 2>if we had a private flight waiting for what I

0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:43.720
<v Speaker 2>would have made more? Would I have made more like

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<v Speaker 2>school performances? If I could get back the night of

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<v Speaker 2>the game and been able to sleep and rest and

0:15:48.000 --> 0:15:51.040
<v Speaker 2>recover what I probably had a lot fewer injuries one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred percent. But I feel like I'm proud because I

0:15:55.880 --> 0:15:59.840
<v Speaker 2>know my name will be mentioned in the conversation of

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<v Speaker 2>these that made it possible today, like made the things

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<v Speaker 2>possible today. I remember flying commercial and Premium Plus in

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<v Speaker 2>a middle seat next to Sylvia Fowls, going to play

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<v Speaker 2>them in the game five of the WNBA Finals. We

0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:18.280
<v Speaker 2>we like wrestled over the arm rest. I won, but

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<v Speaker 2>like they won the game, but I won the arm

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<v Speaker 2>ress battle, and I remember thinking like, this isn't how

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<v Speaker 2>it's supposed to be. But now on the other side,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to I want ownership, like I want to

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<v Speaker 2>own a team, like I want to be a part

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<v Speaker 2>of that in making it better as well. So I

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<v Speaker 2>can't count another woman's pocket. I don't want to. I've

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<v Speaker 2>done well myself and the ability to take care of

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<v Speaker 2>my family and have all the opportunities I have today

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<v Speaker 2>because of the Cheryl Millers and the Nancy Lieberman's and

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<v Speaker 2>Shimiko host Claus and all those that came before.

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<v Speaker 3>Me and your six in year career. Did you feel

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<v Speaker 3>the difference? So I always ask my aunts this question,

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<v Speaker 3>right because my aunt like they're older like something. Those

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<v Speaker 3>they lived they were in school during segregation, so now

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<v Speaker 3>they know an integrated world.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you feel the difference? Oh, I felt the difference

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred percent. But I also felt the difference in

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<v Speaker 2>the ebbs and flows like there were some There was

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<v Speaker 2>one year where the WBA signed a deal with the

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<v Speaker 2>Holiday and Express and every time Jesus I would walk

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<v Speaker 2>into the holiday and express the fans would be like,

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<v Speaker 2>what are you doing here?

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<v Speaker 3>You know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 2>So I've been a part of the WBA at the

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<v Speaker 2>highest of highs and the lowest lows, and I talk

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<v Speaker 2>about it a lot in the book about the WNBA

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<v Speaker 2>and the business plan that needs to happen to continue

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<v Speaker 2>this growth and to foster this growth, because I just

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<v Speaker 2>that was what I had an issue with for so long,

0:17:45.400 --> 0:17:48.960
<v Speaker 2>like scare money doesn't make money. In order to have something,

0:17:49.000 --> 0:17:50.919
<v Speaker 2>you have to invest in it, and you have to

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<v Speaker 2>invest properly. And I think now we're getting billionaires that

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<v Speaker 2>see and have the mindset and the business savvy and

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<v Speaker 2>it's about competition, you see, like Vegas had a practicility,

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<v Speaker 2>Now New York wants a practicility, then Phoenix has a

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<v Speaker 2>Like competition is what started the NBA. You look at

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<v Speaker 2>that like Johnny Buss wanted a championship team because of

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<v Speaker 2>red our back, Like that's what That's what facilitates growth.

0:18:17.359 --> 0:18:19.239
<v Speaker 2>And so I think the WBA is finally catching up

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<v Speaker 2>to that.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you think the world has truly reckoned with how

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<v Speaker 3>different your career would be if you were a man

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<v Speaker 3>with the exact same time.

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<v Speaker 2>I talk about it a lot. Yeah, McDonald's all American.

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<v Speaker 2>In two thousand and four, Dwight Howard and myself, we

0:18:32.240 --> 0:18:35.240
<v Speaker 2>were the number one players. I was woman's, he was

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<v Speaker 2>men's and I Actually there's a blurb in the book

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<v Speaker 2>where him and I went to prom when I was

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<v Speaker 2>in high school, and our trajectories were so different after

0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:47.480
<v Speaker 2>that day, and I was angry. I remember being angry

0:18:47.480 --> 0:18:49.800
<v Speaker 2>because like, inside my house, my mom and dad, you

0:18:49.800 --> 0:18:51.440
<v Speaker 2>can do and be anything, and you know, at that

0:18:51.480 --> 0:18:54.399
<v Speaker 2>point you couldn't have nil money. So I'm watching, you know,

0:18:54.480 --> 0:18:57.320
<v Speaker 2>my quotes be on shirts sold, I'm watching everybody in

0:18:57.400 --> 0:19:00.520
<v Speaker 2>Knoxville wearing my Journey jersey and I'm wearing I'm eating

0:19:00.520 --> 0:19:04.160
<v Speaker 2>Papa John's before games because the school can't even pay

0:19:04.200 --> 0:19:06.480
<v Speaker 2>for my meal because it was illegal at the time.

0:19:07.160 --> 0:19:08.960
<v Speaker 2>And so in the in the book, I talk about

0:19:09.000 --> 0:19:12.800
<v Speaker 2>kind of like I was really upset because yes, he's six', ten, big,

0:19:12.880 --> 0:19:16.720
<v Speaker 2>strong but he had this league laid out that was already,

0:19:16.760 --> 0:19:20.479
<v Speaker 2>growing that had already been through the growing pains of

0:19:20.520 --> 0:19:22.159
<v Speaker 2>WHAT i was about to go. Through and THEN i

0:19:22.280 --> 0:19:23.879
<v Speaker 2>just was, like my left hand is better than.

0:19:23.920 --> 0:19:26.520
<v Speaker 4>His and SO i was mad BECAUSE i was, like you,

0:19:26.560 --> 0:19:29.360
<v Speaker 4>know he has this league to go develop and use

0:19:29.400 --> 0:19:31.840
<v Speaker 4>his name and image and, likeness AND i have to

0:19:31.880 --> 0:19:35.200
<v Speaker 4>wait four years go abroad and compete in a league

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<v Speaker 4>that you know was geez twenty years.

0:19:37.520 --> 0:19:38.560
<v Speaker 2>Young. Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow another part of the, BOOK I love You. Know

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<v Speaker 3>it was interesting to read about how you came to

0:19:44.280 --> 0:19:47.919
<v Speaker 3>grow to love your wife, Right and it had me

0:19:48.000 --> 0:19:51.480
<v Speaker 3>thinking what because you, did, like, guys so have you

0:19:51.520 --> 0:19:55.640
<v Speaker 3>thinking like what else about? Yourself did you realize it's

0:19:55.760 --> 0:19:56.160
<v Speaker 3>just isn't?

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<v Speaker 2>Me what's so interesting IS i Think i've spent my

0:20:02.119 --> 0:20:07.920
<v Speaker 2>entire life standing, out and somehow in that process SOMETIMES

0:20:07.920 --> 0:20:11.240
<v Speaker 2>i did things just to stand out and not really

0:20:11.320 --> 0:20:15.240
<v Speaker 2>listen to myself and WHO i wanted to. Be and

0:20:15.320 --> 0:20:18.040
<v Speaker 2>that's kind of opposite of What i've always tried to live.

0:20:18.080 --> 0:20:23.280
<v Speaker 2>By and for a long, time it took my daughter

0:20:23.680 --> 0:20:27.040
<v Speaker 2>really being like are you? Happy you, know for me

0:20:27.119 --> 0:20:28.960
<v Speaker 2>to really look myself in the mirror and, say AM

0:20:29.000 --> 0:20:32.160
<v Speaker 2>i just going through the? Motions and at twenty years,

0:20:32.200 --> 0:20:35.760
<v Speaker 2>OLD i don't think you realize how long twenty years

0:20:35.840 --> 0:20:40.840
<v Speaker 2>or thirty years or forty years, is, right and just

0:20:41.080 --> 0:20:45.120
<v Speaker 2>kind of gritting your teeth and you, know getting through

0:20:45.160 --> 0:20:48.800
<v Speaker 2>things is WHAT i had grown accustomed, to AND i

0:20:48.840 --> 0:20:52.880
<v Speaker 2>think it was allowing myself to be. OPEN i always

0:20:52.880 --> 0:20:57.240
<v Speaker 2>grew up envisioning myself with The Prince charming, always and

0:20:57.359 --> 0:21:00.159
<v Speaker 2>you never in a million, years WHEN I i do

0:21:00.200 --> 0:21:04.320
<v Speaker 2>those little trashy magazine, THINGS i would always talk About Prince.

0:21:04.440 --> 0:21:08.160
<v Speaker 2>Charming and it's crazy because sometimes life hands you things

0:21:08.200 --> 0:21:12.720
<v Speaker 2>and packages that you least anticipated coming. In and that's

0:21:12.760 --> 0:21:14.520
<v Speaker 2>what happened with my. WIFE i, mean she's my best

0:21:14.520 --> 0:21:18.600
<v Speaker 2>friend and she's been there through the ups and, downs

0:21:18.600 --> 0:21:21.040
<v Speaker 2>AND i think it was about like her AND i

0:21:21.200 --> 0:21:24.280
<v Speaker 2>both being, like wait a, Minute like are we allowing

0:21:24.320 --> 0:21:27.600
<v Speaker 2>other people's judgments to dictate the next thirty or forty?

0:21:27.640 --> 0:21:29.879
<v Speaker 2>Years Like i'm going to allow My instagram followers to

0:21:29.920 --> 0:21:32.440
<v Speaker 2>really determine WHO i say good morning to and WHO

0:21:32.440 --> 0:21:35.000
<v Speaker 2>i say good night to every single. Night AND i

0:21:35.040 --> 0:21:36.640
<v Speaker 2>had to take a step back BECAUSE i really don't

0:21:36.680 --> 0:21:39.879
<v Speaker 2>care what people. Think but THEN i really, did and

0:21:39.960 --> 0:21:41.960
<v Speaker 2>so it was kind of just like that evaluation and

0:21:41.960 --> 0:21:43.280
<v Speaker 2>look at myself in the, mirror.

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<v Speaker 1>When did you? Realize what was that?

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<v Speaker 2>Moment WHEN i didn't fight, IT i would say we

0:21:51.320 --> 0:21:54.360
<v Speaker 2>were at a. Museum i'm a big. NERD i love

0:21:54.480 --> 0:21:58.119
<v Speaker 2>like all types of, museums and it was her, mind

0:21:58.240 --> 0:22:01.480
<v Speaker 2>like it was her, knowledge and like just her ability

0:22:01.480 --> 0:22:03.639
<v Speaker 2>to carry a. Conversation and my brother says something when

0:22:03.760 --> 0:22:06.760
<v Speaker 2>when her AND i got, married my brother said something

0:22:07.760 --> 0:22:09.439
<v Speaker 2>that really stuck out to, me and he, said you,

0:22:09.440 --> 0:22:12.320
<v Speaker 2>Know cannice needs somebody that's strong enough to put her

0:22:12.320 --> 0:22:17.040
<v Speaker 2>in her, place but soft enough where she feels vulnerable

0:22:17.720 --> 0:22:20.480
<v Speaker 2>and an ability to like kind of like lay lay

0:22:20.480 --> 0:22:23.520
<v Speaker 2>your head on your shoulder and be that vulnerable. Person

0:22:23.960 --> 0:22:28.639
<v Speaker 2>and WHEN i REALIZED i was doing that WHERE i you,

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<v Speaker 2>know she would say something AND i wouldn't have any.

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<v Speaker 2>Response and at first some of my friends were, like hold,

0:22:33.080 --> 0:22:35.200
<v Speaker 2>on who is? She like you know WHAT i, mean

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<v Speaker 2>because that's not normally what. Happens and then the same

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<v Speaker 2>thing WHERE i would confess things that were bothering me

0:22:41.800 --> 0:22:46.919
<v Speaker 2>or you, know have issues and be comfortable enough to.

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<v Speaker 2>SHARE i think that's that's WHAT i. Noticed did the.

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<v Speaker 3>People in your life know how difficult it was for

0:22:53.240 --> 0:22:56.119
<v Speaker 3>you to KEEP i guess her a? Secret BECAUSE i,

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<v Speaker 3>mean like in the book YOU i MEAN i got

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<v Speaker 3>FRONT i got frustrated when you was talking about how

0:23:00.960 --> 0:23:02.840
<v Speaker 3>you wanted to tell your, brother but you didn't tell

0:23:02.840 --> 0:23:05.000
<v Speaker 3>Your i'm, like just tell them he loves, you you.

0:23:05.040 --> 0:23:06.879
<v Speaker 3>Know but did they know are they going to read

0:23:06.920 --> 0:23:08.720
<v Speaker 3>this book and realize for the first, Time, like, DAMN

0:23:08.720 --> 0:23:09.679
<v Speaker 3>i didn't know it was that.

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<v Speaker 2>Serious i've been on the other side of it Where

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<v Speaker 2>i've been the person that has been like everybody, knows

0:23:16.280 --> 0:23:19.680
<v Speaker 2>just say, it just tell. Him BUT i think everybody

0:23:20.359 --> 0:23:22.359
<v Speaker 2>comes to grips with it at a different. TIME i

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<v Speaker 2>know we live in a world that has pride month

0:23:25.240 --> 0:23:28.800
<v Speaker 2>and has all these, things but it is scary because

0:23:28.840 --> 0:23:32.800
<v Speaker 2>you are put in another. Category you, Know i'm already in,

0:23:32.800 --> 0:23:35.639
<v Speaker 2>two so Now i'm going to be put in a

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<v Speaker 2>third and with you, know someone that isn't, black She's

0:23:40.640 --> 0:23:44.160
<v Speaker 2>russian and, white and SO i, MEAN i think it's

0:23:44.520 --> 0:23:46.040
<v Speaker 2>one of those things where it's like what AM i

0:23:46.080 --> 0:23:49.000
<v Speaker 2>getting myself? Into AND i know my family is going

0:23:49.080 --> 0:23:52.840
<v Speaker 2>to love, Me BUT i have always done things to

0:23:52.920 --> 0:23:55.399
<v Speaker 2>separate myself and excel and be a role model and

0:23:55.400 --> 0:23:57.920
<v Speaker 2>be an. Example AND i think at that first, Moment i'm,

0:23:57.960 --> 0:24:00.359
<v Speaker 2>like are my nieces and nephew's going to be allowed

0:24:00.400 --> 0:24:01.160
<v Speaker 2>to come out and visit?

0:24:01.200 --> 0:24:01.280
<v Speaker 4>Me?

0:24:01.800 --> 0:24:05.439
<v Speaker 2>Like are is my family gonna accept? Her when we have,

0:24:05.600 --> 0:24:08.200
<v Speaker 2>children are they going to look at them as their

0:24:08.200 --> 0:24:11.679
<v Speaker 2>grandkids or so there's all these questions and things you

0:24:11.720 --> 0:24:14.399
<v Speaker 2>go back and forth with in your. Head AND i

0:24:14.480 --> 0:24:17.840
<v Speaker 2>know it seems, easy especially when you're not and you're

0:24:17.840 --> 0:24:19.440
<v Speaker 2>looking at the world and you're, like, oh, well it's

0:24:19.440 --> 0:24:22.200
<v Speaker 2>so open and, accepting but it's like you've never sat

0:24:22.240 --> 0:24:25.280
<v Speaker 2>there and seen the glances of like you, know people,

0:24:25.600 --> 0:24:28.959
<v Speaker 2>judging or you, know you never walked in the rooms

0:24:29.000 --> 0:24:32.720
<v Speaker 2>and you know heard voices give you, validation but you

0:24:32.920 --> 0:24:36.399
<v Speaker 2>hear whispers behind you, like, oh you, know she's just like,

0:24:36.440 --> 0:24:39.200
<v Speaker 2>them or she's you know. Whatever and SO i think

0:24:39.280 --> 0:24:42.720
<v Speaker 2>that's the biggest thing is my brother was amazing throughout

0:24:42.720 --> 0:24:46.760
<v Speaker 2>the entire. Process my family was, great but my wife

0:24:47.080 --> 0:24:49.679
<v Speaker 2>parents hadn't talked to her for almost a. Year, wow you,

0:24:49.720 --> 0:24:53.240
<v Speaker 2>know like we had family members that we have separated

0:24:53.280 --> 0:24:57.040
<v Speaker 2>ourselves from because in front with my family and with my,

0:24:57.160 --> 0:24:59.520
<v Speaker 2>kids this is the, standard like this is how we're

0:24:59.560 --> 0:25:01.960
<v Speaker 2>going to be true read, It and so there had

0:25:02.000 --> 0:25:05.240
<v Speaker 2>to be we couldn't go through this process ourselves and

0:25:05.680 --> 0:25:07.560
<v Speaker 2>help others go through. It so we had to do it,

0:25:07.600 --> 0:25:11.000
<v Speaker 2>ourselves be okay with, it be strong, enough and then you,

0:25:11.040 --> 0:25:12.760
<v Speaker 2>know go forward with, it can you can't rush.

0:25:12.800 --> 0:25:15.320
<v Speaker 3>It the, Sexuality paul was one aspect of, it but

0:25:15.359 --> 0:25:17.399
<v Speaker 3>you also talked about the race aspect of, it like

0:25:17.640 --> 0:25:19.399
<v Speaker 3>you really can with Doctor umar thought that.

0:25:19.520 --> 0:25:29.080
<v Speaker 2>Much, no but it is it's a different dynamic when

0:25:29.119 --> 0:25:32.480
<v Speaker 2>you walk, it you know WHAT i? Mean like first of,

0:25:32.520 --> 0:25:36.399
<v Speaker 2>all like you, know even with our, kids it's, like you,

0:25:36.440 --> 0:25:39.200
<v Speaker 2>know they have a black mom and a white, mom

0:25:39.320 --> 0:25:43.280
<v Speaker 2>and you, know it's like navigating the the race element

0:25:43.320 --> 0:25:46.320
<v Speaker 2>and the. Conversations we've grown up in two completely different,

0:25:46.320 --> 0:25:50.479
<v Speaker 2>countries so having those conversations like she's not coming from

0:25:50.520 --> 0:25:54.639
<v Speaker 2>a place of understanding through experience and so like even

0:25:54.840 --> 0:25:59.240
<v Speaker 2>so you, know we're confident and we're cool within our,

0:25:59.240 --> 0:26:02.119
<v Speaker 2>household but it's like you don't understand the other noise

0:26:02.160 --> 0:26:05.640
<v Speaker 2>that's going could mess that, up if that makes. Sense

0:26:06.760 --> 0:26:07.320
<v Speaker 2>have there ever.

0:26:07.200 --> 0:26:08.919
<v Speaker 3>Been a time where you dimmed your light to make

0:26:08.960 --> 0:26:11.399
<v Speaker 3>others feel, comfortable especially in rooms full of.

0:26:11.440 --> 0:26:15.520
<v Speaker 2>Men you, know it's so. FUNNY i was SITTING i

0:26:15.560 --> 0:26:18.080
<v Speaker 2>was sitting on the shop and it was With Draymond

0:26:18.160 --> 0:26:24.000
<v Speaker 2>green bron was, There mav was, there and they were,

0:26:24.040 --> 0:26:26.439
<v Speaker 2>like you, know people don't understand what it's like to

0:26:26.480 --> 0:26:28.159
<v Speaker 2>be a black man and be the only one in the.

0:26:28.200 --> 0:26:34.640
<v Speaker 2>Meeting AND i was looking, around like what y'all really

0:26:34.680 --> 0:26:36.560
<v Speaker 2>just said? That like read through you know WHAT i.

0:26:36.560 --> 0:26:40.040
<v Speaker 2>Mean SO i think sometimes you have to pick your

0:26:40.040 --> 0:26:44.639
<v Speaker 2>battles a little. Bit as a, teammate my job is

0:26:44.680 --> 0:26:47.880
<v Speaker 2>to make those around me. Better so same thing when

0:26:47.880 --> 0:26:50.359
<v Speaker 2>you're sitting at these, Tables like the point isn't to

0:26:50.480 --> 0:26:54.479
<v Speaker 2>make people feel stupid or feel. Small the point is

0:26:54.520 --> 0:27:00.560
<v Speaker 2>to make them understand the need for different voy at the.

0:27:00.560 --> 0:27:06.119
<v Speaker 2>Table AND i would say diversity of, thought you. Know

0:27:06.200 --> 0:27:10.880
<v Speaker 2>and you Know i've sat at so many tables and

0:27:10.920 --> 0:27:14.160
<v Speaker 2>been the Only i'm, comfortable But i'm tired of being

0:27:14.160 --> 0:27:17.800
<v Speaker 2>the only, Right like WHEN i went INTO t AND

0:27:17.880 --> 0:27:22.240
<v Speaker 2>t as the only female on that. Set you know

0:27:23.480 --> 0:27:26.119
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people, think, HEY i want. You you,

0:27:26.119 --> 0:27:28.359
<v Speaker 2>know you're trying to be one of the. Guys like,

0:27:28.520 --> 0:27:30.520
<v Speaker 2>No i'm trying to be one of the. Players that's,

0:27:30.560 --> 0:27:32.920
<v Speaker 2>It so treat me as. Such the WAY i see

0:27:32.960 --> 0:27:35.119
<v Speaker 2>the game is way different than shack, shack throw the

0:27:35.119 --> 0:27:37.480
<v Speaker 2>ball down, low barbecue chicken. Shack other people have to

0:27:37.480 --> 0:27:40.760
<v Speaker 2>do moves we can't just we just. Can't, Yes but

0:27:40.840 --> 0:27:43.439
<v Speaker 2>like the way he played was just so dominant that

0:27:43.560 --> 0:27:46.119
<v Speaker 2>he doesn't understand that people have to do stuff to.

0:27:46.160 --> 0:27:48.639
<v Speaker 2>Score he's, like just throw it down there and, score

0:27:48.680 --> 0:27:51.520
<v Speaker 2>and it's Like cat can't do. That he's not do

0:27:51.560 --> 0:27:54.120
<v Speaker 2>you know WHAT i. Mean i'm not, saying But cat

0:27:54.160 --> 0:27:56.080
<v Speaker 2>can't do, that D wade AND i. Can we can't do.

0:27:56.119 --> 0:27:59.280
<v Speaker 2>That we have to do moves and use the mental

0:27:59.320 --> 0:28:01.560
<v Speaker 2>aspect and element of. It BUT i feel like the

0:28:01.680 --> 0:28:04.160
<v Speaker 2>value that is brought to the table if you had

0:28:04.240 --> 0:28:08.480
<v Speaker 2>fifteen shacks what at you know as, analysts but he

0:28:08.600 --> 0:28:12.679
<v Speaker 2>brings value to the equation because he was so, dominant

0:28:13.000 --> 0:28:14.760
<v Speaker 2>and it gives you a bird's eye view of like.

0:28:14.960 --> 0:28:19.280
<v Speaker 2>Dominance and SO i just think anytime you have different

0:28:19.280 --> 0:28:22.600
<v Speaker 2>people at the, table you're gonna bring different perspectives like why?

0:28:22.760 --> 0:28:26.160
<v Speaker 2>Not and so it just drives me. CRAZY i watched First.

0:28:26.160 --> 0:28:30.199
<v Speaker 2>TAKE i Like STEVEN. A. Smith he's super knowledgeable about the.

0:28:30.240 --> 0:28:34.399
<v Speaker 2>Game but like the people that comment under my my

0:28:34.560 --> 0:28:36.600
<v Speaker 2>posts about How i'm a, WOMAN i never played in

0:28:36.640 --> 0:28:38.840
<v Speaker 2>THE nba AND i should shut the f up and blahah,

0:28:38.880 --> 0:28:41.680
<v Speaker 2>blah but they are Like STEPHEN. A smith has The

0:28:41.720 --> 0:28:44.560
<v Speaker 2>bible for THE, nba and it's like he hasn't, Either

0:28:45.240 --> 0:28:48.320
<v Speaker 2>but it's just because you know he's a, man and

0:28:48.400 --> 0:28:51.080
<v Speaker 2>SO i just am continuing to fight that. Stigma i'm

0:28:51.160 --> 0:28:53.440
<v Speaker 2>open for the. Challenge i'm up for. It grew up

0:28:53.440 --> 0:28:55.200
<v Speaker 2>with two older. Brothers all we did was make fun

0:28:55.240 --> 0:28:57.840
<v Speaker 2>of each, Other So I'm i'm. GAME i can speak that.

0:28:57.920 --> 0:29:01.480
<v Speaker 2>Language but it's just having the opportunity to like separate, myself,

0:29:01.520 --> 0:29:04.160
<v Speaker 2>like don't like me as an, analyst but don't not

0:29:04.320 --> 0:29:05.920
<v Speaker 2>like me Because i'm a. Woman that's my.

0:29:06.040 --> 0:29:08.600
<v Speaker 1>Thing was that a moment when YOU i, know she

0:29:08.640 --> 0:29:09.960
<v Speaker 1>got to? Go was there ever a moment that you

0:29:10.000 --> 0:29:11.840
<v Speaker 1>wanted to give the game up at?

0:29:11.880 --> 0:29:16.000
<v Speaker 2>All there was a moment in the middle of my

0:29:16.080 --> 0:29:19.120
<v Speaker 2>career WHERE i asked, myself are you having? Fun BECAUSE

0:29:19.160 --> 0:29:21.640
<v Speaker 2>i always had fun playing. Basketball it wasn't about the,

0:29:21.720 --> 0:29:23.920
<v Speaker 2>money it wasn't about the, stage it wasn't about who

0:29:23.960 --> 0:29:26.760
<v Speaker 2>was in the. CHAIR i would have fun shooting after

0:29:26.800 --> 0:29:30.360
<v Speaker 2>practice by myself in the. Gym but in the middle

0:29:30.400 --> 0:29:32.280
<v Speaker 2>of my, career WHEN i was going through all those

0:29:32.320 --> 0:29:37.320
<v Speaker 2>injuries and hadn't won a championship yet AND i was super. Stressed,

0:29:38.000 --> 0:29:41.880
<v Speaker 2>YEAH i thought about, it AND i think it's one

0:29:41.880 --> 0:29:44.000
<v Speaker 2>of those things where it's like your first. Love it

0:29:44.040 --> 0:29:46.320
<v Speaker 2>never leaves your heart like you always find your way

0:29:46.360 --> 0:29:48.280
<v Speaker 2>back to. It and even Though i'm not hooping, Now

0:29:49.240 --> 0:29:52.480
<v Speaker 2>i'm brainwashing my sons to who my daughter's. Volleyball But

0:29:53.520 --> 0:29:58.520
<v Speaker 2>parker boys are. Coming i'm telling. You six,' ten six eleven. Point, forward,

0:29:58.800 --> 0:30:02.840
<v Speaker 2>yeah seven we Got a bronz body type and, a

0:30:02.840 --> 0:30:05.800
<v Speaker 2>whimby so we. Come in. Let it let it be known.

0:30:05.880 --> 0:30:07.640
<v Speaker 2>Right here you.

0:30:07.600 --> 0:30:10.360
<v Speaker 3>Said something that. The perspective thing is ill about what

0:30:10.400 --> 0:30:12.440
<v Speaker 3>you Said about shaq because it's, just, like yes he

0:30:12.520 --> 0:30:16.040
<v Speaker 3>was probably the most dominant player we've. Ever seen so

0:30:16.120 --> 0:30:18.760
<v Speaker 3>he only. Knows that he thinks it's so easy.

0:30:19.040 --> 0:30:22.560
<v Speaker 2>Barbecue Chicken and, I'm, like shack it's not. Barbecue chicken

0:30:22.600 --> 0:30:25.240
<v Speaker 2>if it was, the case we would have people would

0:30:25.280 --> 0:30:27.480
<v Speaker 2>just do what. You, do like it just doesn't work.

0:30:27.520 --> 0:30:29.400
<v Speaker 2>That way AND so I just i. Don't know he

0:30:29.480 --> 0:30:33.560
<v Speaker 2>is brilliant in his, own right it's just people can't

0:30:33.560 --> 0:30:34.160
<v Speaker 2>play the game. That.

0:30:34.200 --> 0:30:36.800
<v Speaker 3>Way yeah two more. Cool questions is THERE a wnba

0:30:36.880 --> 0:30:39.160
<v Speaker 3>teammate you didn't appreciate in, the moment but now you

0:30:39.240 --> 0:30:40.040
<v Speaker 3>realize that person.

0:30:40.160 --> 0:30:43.880
<v Speaker 2>Was, vital yeah that's, a, really really really. GREAT question

0:30:45.680 --> 0:30:49.160
<v Speaker 2>i WOULD say i appreciated her in, the MOMENT but

0:30:49.200 --> 0:30:52.440
<v Speaker 2>i DON'T think i appreciated her enough in. THE moment

0:30:52.600 --> 0:30:57.920
<v Speaker 2>i would Say Definitely Delicia. MILTON jones i think she's

0:30:57.960 --> 0:31:00.600
<v Speaker 2>someone that was in the league for such a. Long

0:31:00.640 --> 0:31:07.280
<v Speaker 2>time she had such an, amazing, career longevity, won championships

0:31:07.280 --> 0:31:09.640
<v Speaker 2>with the, sparks played, different roles played, key roles came

0:31:09.640 --> 0:31:11.800
<v Speaker 2>off the bed like she did it all AND so

0:31:11.920 --> 0:31:15.600
<v Speaker 2>i think she genuinely wanted me. To succeed and, YOU

0:31:15.600 --> 0:31:17.480
<v Speaker 2>know i was a rookie when she, was there and,

0:31:18.200 --> 0:31:20.720
<v Speaker 2>you know we got in some. Brawls alongside she beat

0:31:20.760 --> 0:31:22.760
<v Speaker 2>me up in practice coming, off screens and it was

0:31:22.760 --> 0:31:24.240
<v Speaker 2>like all that was tough love because she.

0:31:24.280 --> 0:31:26.840
<v Speaker 3>Loved me oh my, Last question and, you know you

0:31:26.840 --> 0:31:28.240
<v Speaker 3>talk about a lot of things in, the book but

0:31:28.280 --> 0:31:31.840
<v Speaker 3>what's something you haven't forgiven yourself, for yet even if

0:31:31.880 --> 0:31:33.160
<v Speaker 3>nobody else knows. ABOUT it.

0:31:34.560 --> 0:31:38.320
<v Speaker 2>I WOULD say i struggled for a long time in

0:31:38.360 --> 0:31:42.760
<v Speaker 2>the closing seconds of, Games, MENTALLY wow i did because

0:31:42.800 --> 0:31:44.920
<v Speaker 2>the results didn't work out. FOR me i talk about

0:31:44.960 --> 0:31:48.120
<v Speaker 2>that a lot in, this book about HOW naive i

0:31:48.280 --> 0:31:50.320
<v Speaker 2>was my rookie year we lost by a last. Second

0:31:50.360 --> 0:31:52.680
<v Speaker 2>shot nine, YEARS later i was still losing by last,

0:31:52.680 --> 0:31:55.520
<v Speaker 2>second SHOTS and i felt myself in those moments tense

0:31:55.600 --> 0:31:59.680
<v Speaker 2>up WHEN prior i would relish in those MOMENTS like

0:31:59.680 --> 0:32:01.840
<v Speaker 2>i Would be i'd want, the BALL and i would

0:32:01.920 --> 0:32:05.640
<v Speaker 2>find myself shying away from those MOMENTS because i had

0:32:05.680 --> 0:32:07.520
<v Speaker 2>conceded to the fact that it was just not gonna.

0:32:07.560 --> 0:32:11.960
<v Speaker 2>Work out and it took, My brother it took me

0:32:12.840 --> 0:32:16.120
<v Speaker 2>finally realizing how to relinquish results and just live in,

0:32:16.120 --> 0:32:20.440
<v Speaker 2>the process the, dash right enjoying. The journey it Took

0:32:20.440 --> 0:32:23.720
<v Speaker 2>A kobe bryant text message to me, that, was like

0:32:23.760 --> 0:32:26.800
<v Speaker 2>it's better the. Hard way you don't die with bullets

0:32:26.800 --> 0:32:31.360
<v Speaker 2>in the chamber right like you go. Down shooting and

0:32:33.320 --> 0:32:36.520
<v Speaker 2>it was that text message and just the support from

0:32:36.560 --> 0:32:38.240
<v Speaker 2>my family and friends that allowed me to win. The

0:32:38.320 --> 0:32:40.840
<v Speaker 2>championship and it came down to the, closing moments and in,

0:32:40.840 --> 0:32:44.080
<v Speaker 2>THOSE moments i just played and it could have not.

0:32:44.160 --> 0:32:46.080
<v Speaker 2>Worked out it could have, worked OUT but i just

0:32:46.440 --> 0:32:49.400
<v Speaker 2>since that TIME when, I lose i'm not in bed

0:32:49.440 --> 0:32:52.320
<v Speaker 2>for four or, five Days like i'm gonna commit to.

0:32:52.360 --> 0:32:55.200
<v Speaker 2>The process i'm gonna commit to. The grind i'm gonna

0:32:55.200 --> 0:32:58.280
<v Speaker 2>honestly try to stay at that like even. Keeled mentality

0:32:58.320 --> 0:33:01.880
<v Speaker 2>and that's in life, as WELL and i wholeheartedly believe

0:33:01.920 --> 0:33:03.160
<v Speaker 2>things will work out the way that they.

0:33:03.200 --> 0:33:06.120
<v Speaker 3>Need to, all right can just talk ladies and gentlemen

0:33:06.160 --> 0:33:07.880
<v Speaker 3>and do mindset out, right now go.

0:33:07.960 --> 0:33:09.080
<v Speaker 2>Get it thank you.

0:33:09.120 --> 0:33:10.400
<v Speaker 1>So much we. APPRECIATE you i.

0:33:10.440 --> 0:33:12.720
<v Speaker 2>Appreciate you, all right thank yous.

0:33:12.600 --> 0:33:14.640
<v Speaker 1>And starts back up checking. On us come on, up here.

0:33:14.480 --> 0:33:16.440
<v Speaker 2>We'd love to talk, to you say us.

0:33:16.400 --> 0:33:18.320
<v Speaker 1>And w ab this season up, right now so come talk.

0:33:18.360 --> 0:33:18.800
<v Speaker 2>To Us It's.

0:33:18.800 --> 0:33:21.480
<v Speaker 1>Candas parker It's The. Breakfast club. Good morning wake that

0:33:21.600 --> 0:33:22.680
<v Speaker 1>ass up in.

0:33:22.720 --> 0:33:23.400
<v Speaker 3>The Morning Come.

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<v Speaker 2>Breakfast club