1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:02,440 Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning. 2 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:05,320 Speaker 2: The Breakfast Club Morning. 3 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:09,239 Speaker 1: Everybody is the j Envy just hilarious, Charlamagne the gud 4 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:11,720 Speaker 1: We are the Breakfast Club. We got a special guest. 5 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:12,120 Speaker 2: In the building. 6 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 1: Yes, indeed the legend, Candas Parker. 7 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:17,800 Speaker 2: Welcome, thanks for having me all you feeling nice being 8 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:20,159 Speaker 2: in the room. Goodness man, nice having you. 9 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:21,599 Speaker 3: You know you're one of those people like you know, 10 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 3: people always say like, who would you ever want an interview? 11 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:26,799 Speaker 3: And you really be like, I don't know because you 12 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 3: can't really think of nobody. But then when you see 13 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 3: you on the schedule, You're like, oh shit, Candas Parker. 14 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 3: I'd love to have a conversation with Candas Parker. 15 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 2: I appreciate you. 16 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 3: I really enjoyed your book, That Can Do Mindset, How 17 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 3: to cultivate resilience, follow your heart and fight for your passions. 18 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:42,319 Speaker 3: Can you break down why you called it the Can 19 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 3: Do Mindset? 20 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 2: Yeah? Growing up nicknamed can short for Candace. You know that, 21 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 2: but my mom. I grew up with two older brothers 22 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:52,880 Speaker 2: eight and eleven years older than me. And fast forward. 23 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 2: My oldest brother played ten years professionally, played alongside Lebron 24 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 2: for years. My middle brother became a doctor, and so 25 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 2: I just saw the enormous role models that were doing 26 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:05,759 Speaker 2: so many great things, and I think sometimes I doubted myself. 27 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 2: And so my mom from the time I was little 28 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 2: two three years old, she'd always see the doubt in 29 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 2: my eye and she'd always be that can do And 30 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:16,279 Speaker 2: it just became my mantra, and it became my voice 31 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 2: in my head. And I mean it took me through 32 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 2: high school knocking down game winning free throws to shoot 33 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 2: even now, and so then it became an acronym for 34 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 2: community authenticity, navigating negativity, loving the dash, which is the 35 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 2: journey in between, and seizing and creating opportunity. 36 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 1: Well congratulations. On August twenty fifty at Jersey will be retired, 37 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 1: well deserved. How does that. 38 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 2: Feel to go back home to Chicago. I grew up 39 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 2: in Naperville, and I grew up a Chicago Bulls fan. 40 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 2: I mean, they won six championships in the nineties when 41 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 2: I was living there, and so it became synonymous with winning. 42 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 2: So to go back and play basketball in front of 43 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 2: the people that first saw me pick up a ball, 44 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 2: and then to win a championship in front of the 45 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 2: people first saw me play basketball, I don't think. I mean, 46 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 2: that was super special. I couldn't have written it any better. 47 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 2: And you know, I think first you dream of a 48 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 2: championship being up in the rafters, and second you dream 49 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 2: of your jersey as well. 50 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 3: You know, I think it was in the authenticity section 51 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 3: of the book you were talking about, you know, being competitive, right, 52 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:21,519 Speaker 3: and how people don't let women be competitive the way 53 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:23,239 Speaker 3: that the men are. So when you see and I 54 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:24,359 Speaker 3: know you get this all the time, but when you 55 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:27,959 Speaker 3: see the Caitlin Angel rivaly or whatever you want to 56 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 3: call it, isn't that just women being competitive? 57 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 2: I think it's women being competitive. But honestly, I think 58 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 2: that the more visibility you get, the more scrutiny you're 59 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 2: gonna get. I mean, that's just nature as women. I 60 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 2: think society always tries to put you in a box. 61 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 2: So as athletes, we fit outside that box. You know, 62 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 2: you're either too muscular, you're not competitive enough. But then 63 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 2: when you show competitive nature, it's not ladylike. So whatever 64 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 2: you do as a woman, I feel like until we 65 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 2: break that mole in society where it's like okay for 66 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 2: us to be fierce competitors, I think you're always going 67 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 2: to have a different narrative, and so yeah, I look 68 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 2: at it like it's competitive and it's two people going 69 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 2: at it, and sometimes I think it's overblown. Sometimes I 70 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 2: think that like you're making a basketball play and then 71 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 2: there's fifteen angles from different cameras that try to, you know, 72 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 2: make it something it's not. So I don't know. I'm 73 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 2: just excited where women's sports is in general right now, 74 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:33,079 Speaker 2: right because people are talking about it, people know the names, 75 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 2: people are following the brands, and a lot of it 76 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 2: has to do with the visibility of it. Women's sports 77 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 2: has always been there. It's just a matter of people 78 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 2: tuning in and paying attention. And I think organizations, broadcasters 79 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 2: all that giving it a chance to succeed, not putting 80 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 2: it head to head up against NFL, not putting it 81 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 2: head to head up against finals or MLB or whatever. 82 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 2: And so I think now we're seeing more women's basketball, 83 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 2: and because of that, I think that's why it's grown. 84 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 3: The reason I have think we I watch a lot 85 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 3: of women's basketball, and I've been watching Angel since college. 86 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 3: So since even that Caitlyn incident, I've seen her and 87 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 3: Leah Thomas have a little kerfuffle like she's always getting 88 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 3: into it with somebody, but it's not the same reaction 89 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 3: from people. 90 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 2: It's just to me, it's. 91 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 3: Just like women out there playing ball. 92 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:17,840 Speaker 2: They're being competitive and I think ballplayers know that. But 93 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 2: now you're getting the casual fans that don't understand that 94 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 2: type of basketball. So I think it's a competitive nature. Now, 95 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 2: are there things that cross the line? Yes, are there 96 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:33,159 Speaker 2: comments and you know, discussions behind things as cross the 97 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:35,479 Speaker 2: line one hundred percent, and I think, you know, we 98 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 2: have to get that under control. But to me, I 99 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 2: think half the time is more competitive than anything. 100 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: But does rivalry as well. I remember, you know Reggie 101 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 1: Miller with the choke signed. We you know, we still 102 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: want action with him. Regardless, it's still things that's gonna 103 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 1: make the press push it a little more. 104 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:55,600 Speaker 2: By the way, I'm sorry, man, I'm sorry about what happened. Yeah, 105 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 2: it's okay, though maybe next year. Listen. I'm a Bulls fan, 106 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 2: so you know we're at saying if you're not first, 107 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 2: your last, So technically it's like we weren't even in 108 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:08,039 Speaker 2: the playoffs, So it's okay. 109 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 1: And I want to ask, you know, you dominated the 110 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 1: w NBA broadcast a mom author which was the most 111 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 1: difficult journey, and. 112 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 2: Why motherhood is a journey that is the greatest gift, 113 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 2: gives you the most rewarding feeling, but it's also the 114 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 2: hardest job that you can have. You think you have 115 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:30,720 Speaker 2: it figured out, and then you have another kid, or 116 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 2: you think you have it figured out, and there's another 117 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:34,599 Speaker 2: stage of life. I have a sixteen year old daughter, 118 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 2: a three year old son, and a one year old son, 119 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 2: and they are all different, and they have all taught 120 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 2: me so many different lessons, and I'm just super grateful 121 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:46,159 Speaker 2: for not only what I'm able to bring to the 122 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:49,479 Speaker 2: table and what I teach them, but the lessons they've 123 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 2: taught me. Like, they have humbled me so many times, 124 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 2: they have checked me so many times. They have made 125 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 2: me look myself in the mirror and ask myself, am 126 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 2: I doing what I'm asking them to do? And so 127 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 2: I think motherhood is one of those things where I'm 128 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 2: just so grateful for it. I'm so grateful for my 129 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 2: daughter and what, you know, us being able to kind 130 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 2: of go through my career and grow up together and 131 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 2: fumble and bump and live across the water and all 132 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 2: of those things. And then I'm super grateful to be 133 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,039 Speaker 2: able to now take a moment with my sons and 134 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 2: be able to have a different type of perspective in 135 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:23,720 Speaker 2: motherhood and parenthood. 136 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 3: What's a moment in motherhood that made you feel more 137 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:29,679 Speaker 3: powerful than any championship ever did? Was it you finally 138 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:30,280 Speaker 3: got her hair right? 139 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:34,599 Speaker 2: You know, it's so interesting. She's sixteen now, she's just 140 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 2: got her permit. You know, she's getting ready for her 141 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 2: super sweet sixteen that's coming next week. And honestly, I 142 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 2: think it's just those moments where she comes and climbs 143 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 2: in my bed and we watch a TV show and 144 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 2: we're able to have those like just conversations about what's 145 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 2: on her mind and things like that. So that to 146 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 2: me is like, it's not the big things, it's not 147 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 2: the celebrations, it's not you know, all those things, just 148 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 2: like those little moments for me that make me super 149 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 2: grateful for you know, our relationship. 150 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 3: I love the way you broke that down in the 151 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 3: Fumble chapter though, because it's just like, I got four daughters, 152 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:14,679 Speaker 3: so I've seen that struggle, but I've never seen nobody 153 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 3: like really talk about how stressful it is to want 154 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 3: to get your daughter's hair correct. 155 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 2: When I tell you so growing up, it was like 156 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 2: my mom my hair was always laid like. It was 157 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 2: like she would tell me, no, we're not having everybody 158 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 2: talk about how you look crazy. You know. I had 159 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:37,679 Speaker 2: the Bretts, I had the braids. I was the little 160 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 2: girl and her only girls. I was dressed, you know, 161 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 2: all those things. And you know, I think all of 162 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 2: the black girls out there can understand. Fried died late 163 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 2: to the side. I mean I had relaxer at six 164 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 2: years old. So when it came to like my daughter's hair, 165 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 2: I kind of took those same kind of foundation from 166 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 2: the mom mentality of trying to control. And my daughter 167 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 2: has taught me, like she loves her hair, she wants 168 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 2: to wear it in her natural style, she wants to 169 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 2: try different things, and I've had to kind of like 170 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 2: take a back seat and learn to not try to control. 171 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 2: There are some days where I, you know, I let 172 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 2: her do what she wants to do with it, and 173 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 2: it has become a process and it has become something 174 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 2: that you know, I have learned to kind of take 175 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 2: a back seat for. And I'm grateful for her for 176 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 2: teaching me. 177 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 3: That what part of your personality do you think was 178 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 3: misunderstood the most during your planning career in this book 179 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 3: helped you to, like I guess, reclaim the narrative. 180 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 2: What's so crazy to me is I think when you're 181 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 2: going through just trying to figure stuff out, you're just 182 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 2: trying to figure shit out, like that's what you're trying 183 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 2: to do, but you're going through life trying to like 184 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 2: mask it. And for so many parts of my life, 185 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 2: during some of my greatest triumphs, winning championships, winning MVP, 186 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 2: I was going through struggles behind the scenes, within motherhood 187 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 2: and balancing that within relationships, within you know, trying to 188 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 2: figure out how to be authentic and who I am. 189 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 2: And I think the person that I became in that 190 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 2: process and who I was for my teammates wasn't always great. 191 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 2: It wasn't always who I was, And so I think 192 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 2: through writing this book it has helped me better understand 193 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 2: who I want to be, who I commit to be, 194 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 2: but also like giving myself grace through those moments, because 195 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:29,839 Speaker 2: I think sometimes we show up and we feel like 196 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 2: we have to be this at work, but we're still 197 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 2: not ourselves and the people around us know that, and 198 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 2: then they start treating us like those people that we 199 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 2: aren't and then it just snowballs out of control. So 200 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 2: I think who I am. People may have had a 201 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 2: different idea, you know what I mean. And I wasn't 202 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 2: always proud of the way that I treated my teammates 203 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 2: or how I showed up to work every day. But 204 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 2: sometimes when you're just trying to show up and you're 205 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:59,079 Speaker 2: trying to make it, you know, that's the best that 206 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:01,199 Speaker 2: you can do. I think I kind of like went 207 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 2: through that and processed that in writing this book. 208 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 1: What was the most difficult thing you had to write 209 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 1: in a book? The one difficult thing it was like 210 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 1: thought about maybe I should take out or you cried 211 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 1: or it was that hard. 212 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 2: It's really difficult to tell stories that are that need 213 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 2: to be told, that aren't going to paint certain people 214 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 2: in a positive light. And I think I struggle with 215 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:25,959 Speaker 2: that because I like to take the blame. I like 216 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 2: to take the onus on myself in games and losses 217 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 2: and mishots and whatever. I like to say that I've 218 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 2: always had a part in whatever happens. And so writing 219 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 2: this is trying to figure out how do you tell 220 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 2: these stories and how do you tell it where it's 221 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 2: it's your story to tell, whereas you're not telling somebody 222 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 2: else's story, because I was very conscious of that. So 223 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 2: just kind of talking about like my parents' divorce and 224 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 2: talking about you know, leaving the Sparks, the La Sparks 225 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 2: and deciding to go to Chicago, talking about my wife, 226 00:10:57,679 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 2: and then also like near and dear to my heart, 227 00:10:59,880 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 2: like Coach Summit, my coach in college passed away in 228 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 2: twenty sixteen, and kind of navigating that and what to share, 229 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 2: what's intimate that I need to keep with myself to myself, 230 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 2: and what can I share and what I have her 231 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 2: blessing and sharing. 232 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:18,199 Speaker 3: Has your greatness ever made you feel isolated? Like people 233 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 3: only saw Kansas pocket a player, but not can just 234 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:21,199 Speaker 3: pok at a person? 235 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 2: You know, it's so crazy. You know in basketball, there's 236 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 2: like a finite time, right the ball is gonna eventually 237 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 2: stop bouncing, you know, Father Tim, I mean, Lebron has 238 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:33,079 Speaker 2: kind of proven that's not the case, but for most 239 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:38,199 Speaker 2: of us, But it's like your identity becomes the game, 240 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 2: Like you keep the main thing, the main thing that's 241 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 2: been my gift my whole life. Basketball has been the 242 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 2: main thing. I gave up prom like left prom to 243 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 2: go to basketball, lived abroad to play basketball. But it's 244 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 2: like when you retire, your identity of the who and 245 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:57,559 Speaker 2: the what is separated, and you realize, like the people 246 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 2: that really saw you for who you are versus what 247 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 2: you did. And so I think that was the biggest 248 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:07,200 Speaker 2: struggle for me, is like everybody has that mourning that 249 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 2: death after you retire. I mean, I love basketball. It 250 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 2: was my first love. And so I think, yeah, like 251 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 2: separating my identity from that, and I was very conscious 252 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 2: of trying to show people like I am a history buff, 253 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 2: I love to travel, I'm a foodie, I love wine, tequila, 254 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:26,839 Speaker 2: connoisseur like all of those things. I'm so much more 255 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 2: than just basketball. And so having that separation, I know, 256 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 2: is like huge for athletes. It is a struggle like 257 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 2: talking to people that have retired and have gone and 258 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 2: walked that path because it is it is the death 259 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 2: a little bit who well to grieve with my family, honestly, 260 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 2: my wife, I'll say my brother as well. My oldest 261 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:54,679 Speaker 2: brother went through this and he seamlessly transitioned. I planned 262 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 2: the transition ahead of time, you know. I started commentating 263 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 2: gosh way back in twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen. I started transitioning. 264 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 2: I started doing more business and paying attention and wanting 265 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 2: to be at the table and in meetings and things 266 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 2: like that. So the transition occurred before it officially the 267 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 2: ball officially stopped bouncing. But boy, there were days where 268 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 2: I'd wake up and it's just like you miss that 269 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 2: feeling of walking in and eighteen thousand people are screaming 270 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 2: your name, and like the feeling of like your family's 271 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 2: identity is that, like they plan their summers around when 272 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:33,199 Speaker 2: my games were, or trips or as a kid you've 273 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 2: been doing. It's an a in It's crazy because you realize, 274 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 2: although I don't like attention, that's not what I played 275 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 2: basketball for. It's an event. You go play, everybody watches 276 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 2: you play, the attention your parents give it is and 277 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 2: then afterwards everybody's like where are we going to eat? 278 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 2: You go eat. Then it's like you know, and it's 279 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 2: like you don't realize how much of that is a 280 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:56,320 Speaker 2: part of your life. And so for me, I think 281 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 2: that was the hardest thing. But like I said, I 282 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 2: have my family. We had my son last year and 283 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 2: he just he just was like he had the ability 284 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 2: to make me stop and realize, like that's where I 285 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 2: was supposed to be. I've always been fifteen million different places, 286 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 2: and so I think, honestly, my son Heart made me 287 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 2: really appreciate retirement because I got to enjoy all the 288 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 2: little things. 289 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 1: But jealous is not the right word. But do you 290 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 1: ever get jealous or feel a way when you look 291 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: at the way MWNBA players are treated now than when 292 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 1: you guys played. I just remember, like two three years ago, 293 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: I was on a plane flying from Atlanta and there 294 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 1: was some players from the Atlanta team. They were in 295 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 1: the back of the plane and they couldn't get first 296 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 1: class seats and they were riding and they were struggling, and 297 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 1: they even said, and Beau talk this, talk about this 298 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 1: on the radio. But now when you see and they're 299 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 1: starting to fly private and they start to make a 300 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 1: little more money, they start making endorsements, do you ever 301 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 1: feel a way like damn. 302 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 2: You got to feel it. 303 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 3: You got to feel it a little bit of that. 304 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 4: You know. 305 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 2: What's so crazy though, I'm like the biggest Steph Curry fan. 306 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 2: You remember when he signed deal. It was like a 307 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 2: forty million dollars deal years ago, and everybody, no, no, no, 308 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 2: it's for the NBA. It was right after his ankle injury, 309 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 2: and everybody kept asking him about it because it was 310 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 2: right during their run in twenty fifteen. He was like, 311 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 2: I never counted another man's pocket, Like that's just not 312 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 2: what I do. I feel like that's the purpose, Like 313 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 2: if we didn't leave it better, what are we doing? 314 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 2: Like I don't want them to have to go through 315 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 2: what we went through. But I also know that Cheryl Miller, 316 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 2: who never got to step foot in the WNBA, didn't 317 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 2: want me to not have have a league to play in. 318 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? And so I think like, yes, 319 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 2: sometimes would it have made Would I scored more points 320 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 2: if we had a private flight waiting for what I 321 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 2: would have made more? Would I have made more like 322 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 2: school performances? If I could get back the night of 323 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 2: the game and been able to sleep and rest and 324 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 2: recover what I probably had a lot fewer injuries one 325 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 2: hundred percent. But I feel like I'm proud because I 326 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 2: know my name will be mentioned in the conversation of 327 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 2: these that made it possible today, like made the things 328 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 2: possible today. I remember flying commercial and Premium Plus in 329 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 2: a middle seat next to Sylvia Fowls, going to play 330 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 2: them in the game five of the WNBA Finals. We 331 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 2: we like wrestled over the arm rest. I won, but 332 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 2: like they won the game, but I won the arm 333 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 2: ress battle, and I remember thinking like, this isn't how 334 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 2: it's supposed to be. But now on the other side, 335 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 2: I want to I want ownership, like I want to 336 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 2: own a team, like I want to be a part 337 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 2: of that in making it better as well. So I 338 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 2: can't count another woman's pocket. I don't want to. I've 339 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 2: done well myself and the ability to take care of 340 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 2: my family and have all the opportunities I have today 341 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 2: because of the Cheryl Millers and the Nancy Lieberman's and 342 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 2: Shimiko host Claus and all those that came before. 343 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 3: Me and your six in year career. Did you feel 344 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 3: the difference? So I always ask my aunts this question, 345 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 3: right because my aunt like they're older like something. Those 346 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 3: they lived they were in school during segregation, so now 347 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 3: they know an integrated world. 348 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:08,399 Speaker 2: Did you feel the difference? Oh, I felt the difference 349 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 2: one hundred percent. But I also felt the difference in 350 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:14,159 Speaker 2: the ebbs and flows like there were some There was 351 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 2: one year where the WBA signed a deal with the 352 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:20,640 Speaker 2: Holiday and Express and every time Jesus I would walk 353 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 2: into the holiday and express the fans would be like, 354 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 2: what are you doing here? 355 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 3: You know what I mean? 356 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 2: So I've been a part of the WBA at the 357 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 2: highest of highs and the lowest lows, and I talk 358 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:35,440 Speaker 2: about it a lot in the book about the WNBA 359 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 2: and the business plan that needs to happen to continue 360 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 2: this growth and to foster this growth, because I just 361 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 2: that was what I had an issue with for so long, 362 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 2: like scare money doesn't make money. In order to have something, 363 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:50,919 Speaker 2: you have to invest in it, and you have to 364 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:54,640 Speaker 2: invest properly. And I think now we're getting billionaires that 365 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 2: see and have the mindset and the business savvy and 366 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 2: it's about competition, you see, like Vegas had a practicility, 367 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 2: Now New York wants a practicility, then Phoenix has a 368 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 2: Like competition is what started the NBA. You look at 369 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 2: that like Johnny Buss wanted a championship team because of 370 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 2: red our back, Like that's what That's what facilitates growth. 371 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:19,239 Speaker 2: And so I think the WBA is finally catching up 372 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:19,439 Speaker 2: to that. 373 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 3: Do you think the world has truly reckoned with how 374 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:25,680 Speaker 3: different your career would be if you were a man 375 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 3: with the exact same time. 376 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 2: I talk about it a lot. Yeah, McDonald's all American. 377 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 2: In two thousand and four, Dwight Howard and myself, we 378 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 2: were the number one players. I was woman's, he was 379 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:38,359 Speaker 2: men's and I Actually there's a blurb in the book 380 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:40,919 Speaker 2: where him and I went to prom when I was 381 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 2: in high school, and our trajectories were so different after 382 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 2: that day, and I was angry. I remember being angry 383 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 2: because like, inside my house, my mom and dad, you 384 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:51,440 Speaker 2: can do and be anything, and you know, at that 385 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 2: point you couldn't have nil money. So I'm watching, you know, 386 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 2: my quotes be on shirts sold, I'm watching everybody in 387 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 2: Knoxville wearing my Journey jersey and I'm wearing I'm eating 388 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:04,160 Speaker 2: Papa John's before games because the school can't even pay 389 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 2: for my meal because it was illegal at the time. 390 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 2: And so in the in the book, I talk about 391 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 2: kind of like I was really upset because yes, he's six', ten, big, 392 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 2: strong but he had this league laid out that was already, 393 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:20,479 Speaker 2: growing that had already been through the growing pains of 394 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:22,159 Speaker 2: WHAT i was about to go. Through and THEN i 395 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:23,879 Speaker 2: just was, like my left hand is better than. 396 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 4: His and SO i was mad BECAUSE i was, like you, 397 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:29,360 Speaker 4: know he has this league to go develop and use 398 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 4: his name and image and, likeness AND i have to 399 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 4: wait four years go abroad and compete in a league 400 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 4: that you know was geez twenty years. 401 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 2: Young. Wow. 402 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 3: Wow another part of the, BOOK I love You. Know 403 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,199 Speaker 3: it was interesting to read about how you came to 404 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:47,919 Speaker 3: grow to love your wife, Right and it had me 405 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 3: thinking what because you, did, like, guys so have you 406 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:55,640 Speaker 3: thinking like what else about? Yourself did you realize it's 407 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:56,160 Speaker 3: just isn't? 408 00:19:56,200 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 2: Me what's so interesting IS i Think i've spent my 409 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:07,920 Speaker 2: entire life standing, out and somehow in that process SOMETIMES 410 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 2: i did things just to stand out and not really 411 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 2: listen to myself and WHO i wanted to. Be and 412 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 2: that's kind of opposite of What i've always tried to live. 413 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 2: By and for a long, time it took my daughter 414 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 2: really being like are you? Happy you, know for me 415 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 2: to really look myself in the mirror and, say AM 416 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:32,160 Speaker 2: i just going through the? Motions and at twenty years, 417 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 2: OLD i don't think you realize how long twenty years 418 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 2: or thirty years or forty years, is, right and just 419 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:45,120 Speaker 2: kind of gritting your teeth and you, know getting through 420 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 2: things is WHAT i had grown accustomed, to AND i 421 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:52,880 Speaker 2: think it was allowing myself to be. OPEN i always 422 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 2: grew up envisioning myself with The Prince charming, always and 423 00:20:57,359 --> 00:21:00,159 Speaker 2: you never in a million, years WHEN I i do 424 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 2: those little trashy magazine, THINGS i would always talk About Prince. 425 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:08,160 Speaker 2: Charming and it's crazy because sometimes life hands you things 426 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 2: and packages that you least anticipated coming. In and that's 427 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 2: what happened with my. WIFE i, mean she's my best 428 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 2: friend and she's been there through the ups and, downs 429 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 2: AND i think it was about like her AND i 430 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 2: both being, like wait a, Minute like are we allowing 431 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 2: other people's judgments to dictate the next thirty or forty? 432 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:29,879 Speaker 2: Years Like i'm going to allow My instagram followers to 433 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 2: really determine WHO i say good morning to and WHO 434 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 2: i say good night to every single. Night AND i 435 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:36,640 Speaker 2: had to take a step back BECAUSE i really don't 436 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:39,879 Speaker 2: care what people. Think but THEN i really, did and 437 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 2: so it was kind of just like that evaluation and 438 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 2: look at myself in the, mirror. 439 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:44,719 Speaker 1: When did you? Realize what was that? 440 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 2: Moment WHEN i didn't fight, IT i would say we 441 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:54,360 Speaker 2: were at a. Museum i'm a big. NERD i love 442 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:58,119 Speaker 2: like all types of, museums and it was her, mind 443 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 2: like it was her, knowledge and like just her ability 444 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:03,639 Speaker 2: to carry a. Conversation and my brother says something when 445 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 2: when her AND i got, married my brother said something 446 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:09,439 Speaker 2: that really stuck out to, me and he, said you, 447 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 2: Know cannice needs somebody that's strong enough to put her 448 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 2: in her, place but soft enough where she feels vulnerable 449 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 2: and an ability to like kind of like lay lay 450 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 2: your head on your shoulder and be that vulnerable. Person 451 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:28,639 Speaker 2: and WHEN i REALIZED i was doing that WHERE i you, 452 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:30,360 Speaker 2: know she would say something AND i wouldn't have any. 453 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 2: Response and at first some of my friends were, like hold, 454 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,200 Speaker 2: on who is? She like you know WHAT i, mean 455 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 2: because that's not normally what. Happens and then the same 456 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:41,439 Speaker 2: thing WHERE i would confess things that were bothering me 457 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:46,919 Speaker 2: or you, know have issues and be comfortable enough to. 458 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,880 Speaker 2: SHARE i think that's that's WHAT i. Noticed did the. 459 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:53,199 Speaker 3: People in your life know how difficult it was for 460 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,119 Speaker 3: you to KEEP i guess her a? Secret BECAUSE i, 461 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 3: mean like in the book YOU i MEAN i got 462 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:00,959 Speaker 3: FRONT i got frustrated when you was talking about how 463 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 3: you wanted to tell your, brother but you didn't tell 464 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 3: Your i'm, like just tell them he loves, you you. 465 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:06,879 Speaker 3: Know but did they know are they going to read 466 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 3: this book and realize for the first, Time, like, DAMN 467 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:09,679 Speaker 3: i didn't know it was that. 468 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,120 Speaker 2: Serious i've been on the other side of it Where 469 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:16,119 Speaker 2: i've been the person that has been like everybody, knows 470 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:19,680 Speaker 2: just say, it just tell. Him BUT i think everybody 471 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:22,359 Speaker 2: comes to grips with it at a different. TIME i 472 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 2: know we live in a world that has pride month 473 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 2: and has all these, things but it is scary because 474 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 2: you are put in another. Category you, Know i'm already in, 475 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,639 Speaker 2: two so Now i'm going to be put in a 476 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 2: third and with you, know someone that isn't, black She's 477 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:44,160 Speaker 2: russian and, white and SO i, MEAN i think it's 478 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 2: one of those things where it's like what AM i 479 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 2: getting myself? Into AND i know my family is going 480 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 2: to love, Me BUT i have always done things to 481 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,399 Speaker 2: separate myself and excel and be a role model and 482 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,920 Speaker 2: be an. Example AND i think at that first, Moment i'm, 483 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 2: like are my nieces and nephew's going to be allowed 484 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:01,160 Speaker 2: to come out and visit? 485 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 4: Me? 486 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:05,439 Speaker 2: Like are is my family gonna accept? Her when we have, 487 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,200 Speaker 2: children are they going to look at them as their 488 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,679 Speaker 2: grandkids or so there's all these questions and things you 489 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,399 Speaker 2: go back and forth with in your. Head AND i 490 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 2: know it seems, easy especially when you're not and you're 491 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:19,440 Speaker 2: looking at the world and you're, like, oh, well it's 492 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,200 Speaker 2: so open and, accepting but it's like you've never sat 493 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 2: there and seen the glances of like you, know people, 494 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,959 Speaker 2: judging or you, know you never walked in the rooms 495 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 2: and you know heard voices give you, validation but you 496 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:36,399 Speaker 2: hear whispers behind you, like, oh you, know she's just like, 497 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 2: them or she's you know. Whatever and SO i think 498 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 2: that's the biggest thing is my brother was amazing throughout 499 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 2: the entire. Process my family was, great but my wife 500 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,679 Speaker 2: parents hadn't talked to her for almost a. Year, wow you, 501 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 2: know like we had family members that we have separated 502 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 2: ourselves from because in front with my family and with my, 503 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 2: kids this is the, standard like this is how we're 504 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 2: going to be true read, It and so there had 505 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:05,240 Speaker 2: to be we couldn't go through this process ourselves and 506 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 2: help others go through. It so we had to do it, 507 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 2: ourselves be okay with, it be strong, enough and then you, 508 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 2: know go forward with, it can you can't rush. 509 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 3: It the, Sexuality paul was one aspect of, it but 510 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:17,399 Speaker 3: you also talked about the race aspect of, it like 511 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:19,399 Speaker 3: you really can with Doctor umar thought that. 512 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 2: Much, no but it is it's a different dynamic when 513 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 2: you walk, it you know WHAT i? Mean like first of, 514 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:36,399 Speaker 2: all like you, know even with our, kids it's, like you, 515 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,200 Speaker 2: know they have a black mom and a white, mom 516 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 2: and you, know it's like navigating the the race element 517 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 2: and the. Conversations we've grown up in two completely different, 518 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:50,479 Speaker 2: countries so having those conversations like she's not coming from 519 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:54,639 Speaker 2: a place of understanding through experience and so like even 520 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 2: so you, know we're confident and we're cool within our, 521 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,119 Speaker 2: household but it's like you don't understand the other noise 522 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:05,640 Speaker 2: that's going could mess that, up if that makes. Sense 523 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 2: have there ever. 524 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:08,919 Speaker 3: Been a time where you dimmed your light to make 525 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 3: others feel, comfortable especially in rooms full of. 526 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 2: Men you, know it's so. FUNNY i was SITTING i 527 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 2: was sitting on the shop and it was With Draymond 528 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 2: green bron was, There mav was, there and they were, 529 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,439 Speaker 2: like you, know people don't understand what it's like to 530 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,159 Speaker 2: be a black man and be the only one in the. 531 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:34,640 Speaker 2: Meeting AND i was looking, around like what y'all really 532 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 2: just said? That like read through you know WHAT i. 533 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 2: Mean SO i think sometimes you have to pick your 534 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:44,639 Speaker 2: battles a little. Bit as a, teammate my job is 535 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,880 Speaker 2: to make those around me. Better so same thing when 536 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,359 Speaker 2: you're sitting at these, Tables like the point isn't to 537 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:54,479 Speaker 2: make people feel stupid or feel. Small the point is 538 00:26:54,520 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 2: to make them understand the need for different voy at the. 539 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:06,119 Speaker 2: Table AND i would say diversity of, thought you. Know 540 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:10,880 Speaker 2: and you Know i've sat at so many tables and 541 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,160 Speaker 2: been the Only i'm, comfortable But i'm tired of being 542 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 2: the only, Right like WHEN i went INTO t AND 543 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 2: t as the only female on that. Set you know 544 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,119 Speaker 2: a lot of people, think, HEY i want. You you, 545 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 2: know you're trying to be one of the. Guys like, 546 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 2: No i'm trying to be one of the. Players that's, 547 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,920 Speaker 2: It so treat me as. Such the WAY i see 548 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,119 Speaker 2: the game is way different than shack, shack throw the 549 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 2: ball down, low barbecue chicken. Shack other people have to 550 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 2: do moves we can't just we just. Can't, Yes but 551 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,439 Speaker 2: like the way he played was just so dominant that 552 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,119 Speaker 2: he doesn't understand that people have to do stuff to. 553 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,639 Speaker 2: Score he's, like just throw it down there and, score 554 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 2: and it's Like cat can't do. That he's not do 555 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,120 Speaker 2: you know WHAT i. Mean i'm not, saying But cat 556 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 2: can't do, that D wade AND i. Can we can't do. 557 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 2: That we have to do moves and use the mental 558 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 2: aspect and element of. It BUT i feel like the 559 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,160 Speaker 2: value that is brought to the table if you had 560 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:08,480 Speaker 2: fifteen shacks what at you know as, analysts but he 561 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:12,679 Speaker 2: brings value to the equation because he was so, dominant 562 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 2: and it gives you a bird's eye view of like. 563 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 2: Dominance and SO i just think anytime you have different 564 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 2: people at the, table you're gonna bring different perspectives like why? 565 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:26,160 Speaker 2: Not and so it just drives me. CRAZY i watched First. 566 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:30,199 Speaker 2: TAKE i Like STEVEN. A. Smith he's super knowledgeable about the. 567 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:34,399 Speaker 2: Game but like the people that comment under my my 568 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 2: posts about How i'm a, WOMAN i never played in 569 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 2: THE nba AND i should shut the f up and blahah, 570 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 2: blah but they are Like STEPHEN. A smith has The 571 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 2: bible for THE, nba and it's like he hasn't, Either 572 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 2: but it's just because you know he's a, man and 573 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 2: SO i just am continuing to fight that. Stigma i'm 574 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 2: open for the. Challenge i'm up for. It grew up 575 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 2: with two older. Brothers all we did was make fun 576 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 2: of each, Other So I'm i'm. GAME i can speak that. 577 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 2: Language but it's just having the opportunity to like separate, myself, 578 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 2: like don't like me as an, analyst but don't not 579 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 2: like me Because i'm a. Woman that's my. 580 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 1: Thing was that a moment when YOU i, know she 581 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 1: got to? Go was there ever a moment that you 582 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 1: wanted to give the game up at? 583 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 2: All there was a moment in the middle of my 584 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 2: career WHERE i asked, myself are you having? Fun BECAUSE 585 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 2: i always had fun playing. Basketball it wasn't about the, 586 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 2: money it wasn't about the, stage it wasn't about who 587 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 2: was in the. CHAIR i would have fun shooting after 588 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 2: practice by myself in the. Gym but in the middle 589 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 2: of my, career WHEN i was going through all those 590 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:37,320 Speaker 2: injuries and hadn't won a championship yet AND i was super. Stressed, 591 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 2: YEAH i thought about, it AND i think it's one 592 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 2: of those things where it's like your first. Love it 593 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 2: never leaves your heart like you always find your way 594 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,280 Speaker 2: back to. It and even Though i'm not hooping, Now 595 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 2: i'm brainwashing my sons to who my daughter's. Volleyball But 596 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 2: parker boys are. Coming i'm telling. You six,' ten six eleven. Point, forward, 597 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 2: yeah seven we Got a bronz body type and, a 598 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 2: whimby so we. Come in. Let it let it be known. 599 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 2: Right here you. 600 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 3: Said something that. The perspective thing is ill about what 601 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 3: you Said about shaq because it's, just, like yes he 602 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:16,040 Speaker 3: was probably the most dominant player we've. Ever seen so 603 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 3: he only. Knows that he thinks it's so easy. 604 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 2: Barbecue Chicken and, I'm, like shack it's not. Barbecue chicken 605 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 2: if it was, the case we would have people would 606 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 2: just do what. You, do like it just doesn't work. 607 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 2: That way AND so I just i. Don't know he 608 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 2: is brilliant in his, own right it's just people can't 609 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 2: play the game. That. 610 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 3: Way yeah two more. Cool questions is THERE a wnba 611 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 3: teammate you didn't appreciate in, the moment but now you 612 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:40,040 Speaker 3: realize that person. 613 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 2: Was, vital yeah that's, a, really really really. GREAT question 614 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 2: i WOULD say i appreciated her in, the MOMENT but 615 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 2: i DON'T think i appreciated her enough in. THE moment 616 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 2: i would Say Definitely Delicia. MILTON jones i think she's 617 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 2: someone that was in the league for such a. Long 618 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 2: time she had such an, amazing, career longevity, won championships 619 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 2: with the, sparks played, different roles played, key roles came 620 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:11,800 Speaker 2: off the bed like she did it all AND so 621 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 2: i think she genuinely wanted me. To succeed and, YOU 622 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,480 Speaker 2: know i was a rookie when she, was there and, 623 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,720 Speaker 2: you know we got in some. Brawls alongside she beat 624 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 2: me up in practice coming, off screens and it was 625 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:24,240 Speaker 2: like all that was tough love because she. 626 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 3: Loved me oh my, Last question and, you know you 627 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:28,240 Speaker 3: talk about a lot of things in, the book but 628 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 3: what's something you haven't forgiven yourself, for yet even if 629 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 3: nobody else knows. ABOUT it. 630 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 2: I WOULD say i struggled for a long time in 631 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 2: the closing seconds of, Games, MENTALLY wow i did because 632 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 2: the results didn't work out. FOR me i talk about 633 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 2: that a lot in, this book about HOW naive i 634 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 2: was my rookie year we lost by a last. Second 635 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 2: shot nine, YEARS later i was still losing by last, 636 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,520 Speaker 2: second SHOTS and i felt myself in those moments tense 637 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 2: up WHEN prior i would relish in those MOMENTS like 638 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 2: i Would be i'd want, the BALL and i would 639 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 2: find myself shying away from those MOMENTS because i had 640 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 2: conceded to the fact that it was just not gonna. 641 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:11,960 Speaker 2: Work out and it took, My brother it took me 642 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 2: finally realizing how to relinquish results and just live in, 643 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 2: the process the, dash right enjoying. The journey it Took 644 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,720 Speaker 2: A kobe bryant text message to me, that, was like 645 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 2: it's better the. Hard way you don't die with bullets 646 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 2: in the chamber right like you go. Down shooting and 647 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,520 Speaker 2: it was that text message and just the support from 648 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:38,240 Speaker 2: my family and friends that allowed me to win. The 649 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,840 Speaker 2: championship and it came down to the, closing moments and in, 650 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:44,080 Speaker 2: THOSE moments i just played and it could have not. 651 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 2: Worked out it could have, worked OUT but i just 652 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,400 Speaker 2: since that TIME when, I lose i'm not in bed 653 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 2: for four or, five Days like i'm gonna commit to. 654 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 2: The process i'm gonna commit to. The grind i'm gonna 655 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 2: honestly try to stay at that like even. Keeled mentality 656 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 2: and that's in life, as WELL and i wholeheartedly believe 657 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 2: things will work out the way that they. 658 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 3: Need to, all right can just talk ladies and gentlemen 659 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 3: and do mindset out, right now go. 660 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 2: Get it thank you. 661 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 1: So much we. APPRECIATE you i. 662 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,720 Speaker 2: Appreciate you, all right thank yous. 663 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 1: And starts back up checking. On us come on, up here. 664 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,440 Speaker 2: We'd love to talk, to you say us. 665 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 1: And w ab this season up, right now so come talk. 666 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 2: To Us It's. 667 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,480 Speaker 1: Candas parker It's The. Breakfast club. Good morning wake that 668 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 1: ass up in. 669 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 3: The Morning Come. 670 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 2: Breakfast club