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Speaker 1: up down Tyler Murray. That defender is in multiple pieces.

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Speaker 1: All that was nasty right there? Rights the latest news

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Speaker 1: and notes from the guys who cover the teams. Rilled

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Speaker 1: by Simmons. Isaiah Simmons is bawling, Bring it on, Bring

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Speaker 1: it on. Slam the ground by Fota Baker like a torpedo.

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Speaker 1: He came flying into the backfield. I scared of nobody.

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Speaker 1: Here's Paul Calvic. What is it? Guys? They say in

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Speaker 1: a wedding. We are gathered here today to witness the

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Speaker 1: pairing of these two dot dot dot Well, that's why

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Speaker 1: we call together this ddition to Cardinals Underground. Paul Calvc,

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Speaker 1: Darren Urban, Kyle under Guard and full disclosure off the top.

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Speaker 1: I want to share with you guys, so you're well

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Speaker 1: aware that you are podcasting. Was someone pause for effect

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Speaker 1: here who did actually use an exclamation point in a

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Speaker 1: tweet earlier today? So I know you got That opens

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Speaker 1: me up to a lot of scorn. If I was

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Speaker 1: in the press box, I wouldn't be in there for

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Speaker 1: long at this point. But I want you to know

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Speaker 1: Kyle that you know what I thought, and I might

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Speaker 1: hate myself in the morning. But as of a few

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Speaker 1: moments ago, there was an exclamation point use polly punctuation

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Speaker 1: in a tweet announcing the arrival of JJ Watt to

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Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals. I did a quote tweet Mine said, wow,

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Speaker 1: it had a period at the end, but I think

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Speaker 1: you encapsulated everybody's feelings. I mean, and we heard about

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Speaker 1: the Browns and the Bills and the Packers and the Steelers,

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Speaker 1: and then across the timeline comes JJ Wat and the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals jersey and my immediate thought was, Okay, who's doing

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Speaker 1: the hoax? Who photoshop this? Okay, that's a blue check

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Speaker 1: mark with Adam Schefter. Are we sure this is true?

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Speaker 1: And then it's like boom boom, boom, boom boom, five

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Speaker 1: thousand tweets that he signed, and it was definitely just

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Speaker 1: delirium after that. It's it's it's really. I mean to think, guys,

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Speaker 1: that we're sitting here, not quite at the one year

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Speaker 1: anniversary when we heard about DeAndre Hopkins, which was the

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Speaker 1: same thing you're sitting around, and then all of a

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Speaker 1: sudden on social media pops up that this guy's coming

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Speaker 1: to the Cardinals. And look, I've answered questions about this

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Speaker 1: since JJ way, even before he got released in the mailbag,

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Speaker 1: and I kept saying, there's no way, there's no way,

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Speaker 1: the circumstances of the cap and everything. And I was

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Speaker 1: absolutely wrong. And I rebuked myself for I should have

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Speaker 1: just said never, say never. I should have just gone

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Speaker 1: in that direction. Darren, Darren, if we weren't socially distanced,

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Speaker 1: right now, you know what I would do? Where is

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Speaker 1: it here? It is? I give you, oh, look out,

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Speaker 1: I would give I would give you the trophy for

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Speaker 1: winning the off season. I would pass it the one

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Speaker 1: that we've had here ever since the DeAndre Hopkins trade.

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Speaker 1: Last year, the Rex Ryan Award for winning the off Season.

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Speaker 1: That's why it's a it's a miniature trophy because it

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Speaker 1: that came down much in the same fashion as DeAndre

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Speaker 1: go on the injury report with whiplash, the neck injury.

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Speaker 1: From what I mean, you just couldn't believe what you

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Speaker 1: sports gambling. Kyle right, j J Watt wasn't even on

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Speaker 1: the list of teams that were offered odds in the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals would be aggressive this offseason because Kyler Murray is

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Speaker 1: And they gave him a pretty penny reportedly about thirty

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Speaker 1: To me, the Arizona Cardinals just addressed their biggest offseason

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Speaker 1: their days together in Houston. That was the Cardinal's biggest need.

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Speaker 1: To me, it was Week sixteen, the inexplicable lack of

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Speaker 1: just step in lead the pregame pep talk. People dismiss that.

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Speaker 1: but that to me was a persistent and palpable problem

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Speaker 1: something that the Cardinals need. And that's not just us

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Speaker 1: Remember Kyle, there was Kyler Murray doing some of the

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Speaker 1: I think this addresses that in a big way. I'll

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Speaker 1: So I think that'll help in the offseason in training camp,

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Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, I mean, if

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Speaker 1: Klais Campbell, like you said, Paul, And I think as

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Speaker 1: Jordan Phillips is still on this team, he had you know,

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Speaker 1: it looks like on the field. Yeah, Patrick Peterson wanted

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Speaker 1: it was one of the guys that work the numbers oftentimes.

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Speaker 1: They said they wouldn't be surprised if this contract it's

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Speaker 1: So it does give them flexibility that way. However, you think, Okay,

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Speaker 1: of an offensive coordinator. I'm guessing every game plan started

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Speaker 1: with how do we stop JJ Watt. Now, you've got

429
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Speaker 1: a real choice now. And remember when the Cardinals added

430
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Speaker 1: Chandler Jones back in the day, that was that was

431
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Speaker 1: one of the key driving reasons Kyle was, you know,

432
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Speaker 1: we're not giving offensive coordinators enough problems, enough headaches, We're

433
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Speaker 1: not giving them enough to keep them up at night,

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Speaker 1: and we need to get that edge rusher who's going

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Speaker 1: to make them Wonder what exactly do I do? Well? Now,

436
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Speaker 1: if Chandler Jones is still going to command that sort

437
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Speaker 1: of respect, and the only guy who has more sacks

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Speaker 1: than JJ Watt over the last almost decade would be

439
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Speaker 1: Chandler Jones, then guess what JJ Watt is that guy?

440
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Speaker 1: And for the first time ever, JJ Watt Mike face

441
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Speaker 1: a more single blocking than he's accustomed to and what

442
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Speaker 1: will that mean in terms of his production? Yeah, I

443
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,320
Speaker 1: mean if he plays on the interior, I still think

444
00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 1: he's going to get a healthy amount of double teams.

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Speaker 1: And I believe last season he got double team thirty

446
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,560
Speaker 1: percent of the time or so, which may have led

447
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Speaker 1: the NFL. And I mean, you're right, having Chandler Jones

448
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 1: on the other side or on the edge could allow

449
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:25,080
Speaker 1: him more time to have one on ones. But I

450
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,720
Speaker 1: still feel like if JJ Watts on the field, teams

451
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,760
Speaker 1: aren't gonna want to do that too often. So maybe

452
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Speaker 1: that just means more protection for teams, which means fewer

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Speaker 1: receivers to throw too, or Chandler Jones gets more one

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Speaker 1: on ones. What Darren said I think is bang on.

455
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Speaker 1: Whoever the other edge rusher is, They're gonna have one

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Speaker 1: on ones all season long if those two guys are

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Speaker 1: on the field at the same time. But to me,

458
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Speaker 1: it's also important to note that Chandler Jones and JJ

459
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 1: Watt are both over thirty at this point and still

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Speaker 1: both uber productive very recently, so I think it's it's

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Speaker 1: not a pipe dream to think both of them are

462
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Speaker 1: double digit SAT guys. But also, Chandler got hurt last year,

463
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Speaker 1: JJ Watts dealt with some injuries. So you just have

464
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Speaker 1: to make sure that both of them stay healthy because

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Speaker 1: if I do, I think it's going to be a

466
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Speaker 1: dynamic combination. You just have to worry a little bit

467
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Speaker 1: about about the health track record of JJ Watt and

468
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Speaker 1: the age thing. So it's not a complete slam dunk

469
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Speaker 1: like they're twenty six or twenty seven. But that being said,

470
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Speaker 1: the ceiling for those two is still extremely high. And

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Speaker 1: the reality is this people might be like, oh, you

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Speaker 1: paid them fifteen and a half million dollars a year

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Speaker 1: for two years or whatever it is. He wasn't if

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Speaker 1: he wasn't going to be thirty two, if he hadn't

475
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Speaker 1: had those injuries, you never would have gotten JJ twenty

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Speaker 1: five a year at that point, at least twenty five.

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Speaker 1: I mean him and his prime. You're arguing that he's

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Speaker 1: up there with Aaron Donald. He put up the same

479
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Speaker 1: kind of numbers. If you could get Aaron Donald right now,

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Speaker 1: how much would he cost in the open market. That's

481
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Speaker 1: what it would have been for JJ Watt. So you

482
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Speaker 1: are saving based on that, and what you're saving the

483
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Speaker 1: money is the risk you're taking when all the things

484
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Speaker 1: Kyled to say. And if not for the rookie quarterback contract, Kyle,

485
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:11,119
Speaker 1: this can't happen. Probably isn't even a possibility. It's certainly

486
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Speaker 1: not reality unless you have Kyler Murray on that rookie deal.

487
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Speaker 1: And once again more evidence they're shoving all those chips

488
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Speaker 1: in the middle of the table while they have that

489
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Speaker 1: dynamic at play. Yeah, one hundred percent. I think that's

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Speaker 1: the key to all this. You have the luxury because

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Speaker 1: you have a star quarterback that's making a really low salary.

492
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Speaker 1: I think his cap hit might be ten million dollars

493
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Speaker 1: this year, and you give Kyler Murray market value, maybe

494
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Speaker 1: that's between thirty five to forty million based on what

495
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Speaker 1: he's done. We'll see what happens with extension talks, but

496
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Speaker 1: that type of window wouldn't surprise me. So you're saving

497
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Speaker 1: twenty five thirty million dollars ish and you look at

498
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Speaker 1: the DeAndre Hopkins trade and the JJ Watt signing. You

499
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Speaker 1: can't exactly do a one for one, but basically use

500
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Speaker 1: that money that you'd be paying a veteran quarterback and

501
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Speaker 1: you're able to get these two star players. So I

502
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Speaker 1: think it's just the latest evidence that a really good

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Speaker 1: way to win in the NFL is to have a

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Speaker 1: good quarterback on a rookie deal because you can really

505
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Speaker 1: put a lot of talent around him. And that's clearly

506
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Speaker 1: what Steve kind is doing. And look, let's face it,

507
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Speaker 1: the best way to deal with Russell Wilson and the

508
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 1: Rams making a deal for Matthew Stafford is to bolster

509
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Speaker 1: your pass rush. Lasta Cardinals saw Matthew Stafford. Lest I

510
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Speaker 1: remind everyone was Week three and he had a heck

511
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Speaker 1: of a fourth quarter or I'm looking at it right now.

512
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Speaker 1: He went ten at thirteen for one hundred and forty

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Speaker 1: four yards passing in the fourth quarter alone and led

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Speaker 1: that game winning drive at the very end to set

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Speaker 1: up the game winning fuel goal. So you have the

516
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Speaker 1: right and you should be afraid of Matthew Stafford coming

517
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Speaker 1: to the Rams with all the other talent, and now

518
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,439
Speaker 1: you're facing that twice a year Russell Wilson, as I

519
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Speaker 1: tweeted out, although I didn't use an exclamation point on

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Speaker 1: this one, I said, Look, if Russell Wilson is tired

521
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Speaker 1: of getting hit now, what do you think is going

522
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 1: to happen in the future. You don't think the team

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson in his camp isn't sitting around going wait

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Speaker 1: a minute. In my division, I have Aaron Donald and

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00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 1: Nick Bose is coming back, and Chandler Jones is coming back,

526
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Speaker 1: and they just added JJ Watt Russell Wilson. Here, Kyle

527
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 1: might want to expand his list of teams on the

528
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 1: old trade list to waive his no trade cosse. And

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Speaker 1: you can look up the stats of Chandler Jones versus

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, because it's been it has not been pretty

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Speaker 1: for Russell Wilson so far, and now I think Chandler

532
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 1: Jones even tweeted about it, like I feel bad for

533
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson in this situation. And if Chandler does what

534
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 1: he's done in the past, now you add JJ Watt.

535
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 1: It's been there have been some major sack parties against

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Speaker 1: the Seahawks in past years, and the Cardinals would love

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Speaker 1: to complete continue that and bring JJ Watt into the

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Speaker 1: mix this time. Here's what's hilarious. I mean, guys, what

539
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Speaker 1: are we talking about when we're talking about Russell Wilson

540
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 1: being all angry at the organization and all the things

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Speaker 1: that have come out lately, and why he's even talking

542
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Speaker 1: about a trade. What's the number one reason our offensive

543
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:59,160
Speaker 1: line stinks? And now you just handed him another reason

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Speaker 1: why I can't have a stinky offensive line, which you know,

545
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 1: if they want to stay stinky, that's okay with me.

546
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,160
Speaker 1: And you know, did you guys read that story, by

547
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 1: the way, and Russell Wilson was an in depth long

548
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 1: form story on it. It was really interesting and the

549
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: adjustments of defense is made over the second half of

550
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 1: the season, and the effectiveness they had against Russell and

551
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,639
Speaker 1: we saw a little bit of it in the games

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Speaker 1: against the Cardinals, and just the reluctance at times even

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Speaker 1: get rid of the ball, and the way he appeared

554
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 1: confused at times. And so I know, there's so much

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00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 1: has been made about Russell Wilson and his desire just

556
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 1: to get to a bigger market, or at least have

557
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 1: a bigger platform, to get to a bigger brand where

558
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 1: he can maximize those indorsements, and a lot of the

559
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 1: speculation has been driven from the business side that Dak Prescott,

560
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,479
Speaker 1: in his first two years as Dallas Cowboys starting quarterback,

561
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 1: had fifty million dollars earned in endorsements. Russell Wilson hasn't

562
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Speaker 1: even come close to that. At in his Seattle career,

563
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: he has one major endorsement and Dak has about a

564
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 1: half dozen, and so a lot of that. But look,

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00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 1: the reality is that he has been sacked almost four

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Speaker 1: hundred times in his nine years and now Kyle with

567
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 1: a Cardinals bolstering their pass rush, that is a reality

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00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 1: that if he truly wants to play to the age

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Speaker 1: of a Tom Brady, guess what I mean, as durable

570
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: as he has been and as reliable as he has been,

571
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 1: missing virtually zero snaps his entire NFL career, if they

572
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 1: don't figure that out, his future is in jeopardy for real.

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Speaker 1: And some of that is on Russell Wilson. I don't

574
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Speaker 1: think we should get that twisted, like he'll sit back

575
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 1: there a long time and scan the field and then

576
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 1: do his escape artist stuff. He's not like Tom Brady

577
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: or Peyton Manning getting the ball out in two seconds.

578
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 1: I mean, he holds the ball and we'll look around

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00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 1: and try to make something out of nothing. So I

580
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 1: think that's part of him. But I agree that the

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Speaker 1: offensive line there has not been great, and it goes

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Speaker 1: back to what we've been talking about paying the quarterback

583
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Speaker 1: when you're giving Russell Wilson forty million dollars a year

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Speaker 1: and you have to pay Tyler Lockett and Bobby Wagner

585
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 1: and you trade for Jamal Adams. I mean, these guys

586
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: have to make some money and you don't have the

587
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 1: resources to spread it around everywhere. And that's just a

588
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 1: fact of life when your quarterback is making market value.

589
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 1: So Russell Wilson, I'm sure wants to be in an

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Speaker 1: ideal situation, and maybe he does want to leave. But

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Speaker 1: if you're the Seahawks, I don't see how you trade

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson. I mean, it's a huge dead cap hit.

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Speaker 1: You're not in rebuilding mode right now. Like it would

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Speaker 1: make a lot more sense to me for Houston to

595
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 1: trade to Shawn Watson, try to get it back a

596
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: bounty of picks, get some cap space, and rebuild. The

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00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 1: Seahawks aren't in a rebuilding phase. They feel like they're

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Speaker 1: very competitive year in a year out, which they are,

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Speaker 1: and they want to keep going for Super Bowls. So

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Speaker 1: I would be shocked if for Russell Wilson got traded.

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Speaker 1: I think it would just have to be a complete

602
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: dissolution of that relationship between him and the front office

603
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 1: for that to happen, and look, Jimmy ge takes a

604
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Speaker 1: lot of heat and for the second straight off season,

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00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 1: the Niners appear to have wandering eyes when it comes

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00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: through their quarterback position. But when he's healthy, he's won

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00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 1: like seventy five percent of his games with the San

608
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: Francisco forty nine ers, and his last fully healthy season

609
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 1: they went to the Super Bowl. So with Jimmy g

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Speaker 1: coming back along with Matthew Stafford and Russell Wilson, more

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00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 1: evidence of the need and urgency of the Cardinals to

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Speaker 1: bolster their pass rush, which they just did. And Darren,

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Speaker 1: we talk about what it does for potentially a sign Reddick,

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00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 1: Marcus Golden, other interior, but what about what it does

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00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 1: for Chandler Jones? What is this that Chandler offered to

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Speaker 1: be JJ Watt's personal chef if he signed with the Cardinals.

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Speaker 1: Has this come about as a joke afterwards or was

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00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 1: this actually thrown out there before JJ Watts signed on

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Speaker 1: the line that has dotted, it's my understanding that he

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00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 1: threw that out beforehand. It was part of his recruiting

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00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 1: ploy to try and get JJ wat here. No I

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00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: can neither confirm nor deny whether JJ Watt even cares

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Speaker 1: if Chandler Jones might make him some food. I did.

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00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: I gotta give to Catherine FitzGeralds from the Republic who

625
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: tweet quote tweeted that tweet about how he's gonna do

626
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: that and said tired let Russ Cook wired let Chandler Cook.

627
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:17,719
Speaker 1: I did enjoy that tweet very much. But look, clearly,

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Speaker 1: and we've already talked about it something. I mean, Chandler

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Speaker 1: benefits big time in this. I mean I would expect

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Speaker 1: some consideration to a Chandler Jones extension just because it

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00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 1: would lower his number this year, which is pretty healfy

632
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: over twenty million dollars cap hit right now. If you

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00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: extend him, you can definitely make that lower. I don't

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00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 1: know where they would go with that. I don't know

635
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 1: what he's expecting. I know, if I'm the Cardinals, I'm

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00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 1: assuming Chandler Jones is going to be healthy, and I'm

637
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 1: assuming when you at J. J. Watt, there's a good

638
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: chance Chandler Jones could have a big ear. So you

639
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 1: certainly would like to get something done sooner rather than

640
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 1: later and not be in a position where he throws

641
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: up some unbelievable numbers. Assuming he stays healthy and this

642
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: team does really well, and then all of a sudden,

643
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Speaker 1: he's got a lot of leverage. So you know, look,

644
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 1: Chandler's got to be thrilled, Vance Joseph has got to

645
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: be thrilled. I just can there be downside to this?

646
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: Just like we were talking about before. Could J. J.

647
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 1: Watt get banged up? Yes, that absolutely can happen. That

648
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: could happen with anybody, though, That can happen with any

649
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: free agent. You know that you sign, you could end

650
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 1: up with a Robert Alford situation. And we've all forgotten

651
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 1: about Robert Alford. But here's a guy who signed a

652
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: three year deal and he's about to go into year three.

653
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's actually going to get there,

654
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: but he's missed two complete seasons because of freak injuries.

655
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 1: You don't know, but I will say, given the circumstances,

656
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 1: given where they are, given what you know Kyle talked

657
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 1: about with pushing your chips in for this year, a

658
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 1: year three of Kyler Murray and and that kind of consideration,

659
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: I think it makes a lot of sense. And I

660
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 1: think this team and you've said it before, you said

661
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 1: it earlier, Paul I mean, you got to keep up

662
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: with the Joneses in this division, and this was a

663
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 1: way to try and do that. Fans are not happy

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Speaker 1: that they the Cardinals didn't make the playoffs this year.

665
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: Ownership has not they didn't make the playoffs. There's a

666
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 1: there's a lot of urgency to this season, and this

667
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 1: signing reflects that. Here's the stat most sacks in the

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Speaker 1: NFL since twenty twelve, Chandler Jones ninety seven, JJ Watt

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Speaker 1: ninety five and a half, one and two in the

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Speaker 1: NFL and sacks since two twelve. I mean, let's daydream

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Speaker 1: here for a moment on Cardinals Underground, brought to you

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Speaker 1: by Pacific Office Automation prop partner of the Arizona Cardinals.

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, Matthew Stafford and or Jimmy g comes to

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Speaker 1: the line on third and eleven fourth quarter games on

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Speaker 1: the line and they're under center and they're scanning the

676
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Speaker 1: Cardinals defense. Okay, I got fifty five over here, I

677
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 1: got ninety nine in the B gap. He's making grunting sounds,

678
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: screaming he's gonna tear my head off. I've got a

679
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Speaker 1: son Reddick over on the other side, and I'll wait

680
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: a minute. Isaiah Simmons now mugging the egg gap, Buddha

681
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:57,359
Speaker 1: Baker is flashing. Maybe he might come and you don't

682
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: know what advanced Joseph. I mean, think of all that, Kyle,

683
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 1: that Darren. I mean, think of what a quarterback has

684
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: to process, because you always hear quarterbacks say I break

685
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 1: the huddle and I got to look and see. Okay,

686
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 1: where is a certain player or two went out? There

687
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: could be about five guys that could be the X factor. Well,

688
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:15,760
Speaker 1: first of all, I'm gonna let Kyle answer that question

689
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: because I feel bad because of the emotion that you

690
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 1: just put into that whole segment. But I do want

691
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,399
Speaker 1: to say as you open it up, we're not sure

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Speaker 1: he's gonna wear ninety nine. Ninety nine is one of

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Speaker 1: the few numbers the Cardinals have retired in honor of

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Speaker 1: Marshall Goldberg, at four time All Pro running back in

695
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 1: the forties who also was in the Navy. So ninety

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Speaker 1: nine is retired, and so I'm not a hundred percent

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00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: sury he's gonna wear ninety nine. We'll have to see

698
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,320
Speaker 1: how that goes, but it is one of the Cardinals

699
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: retired numbers. Okay, Now that's some knowledge right there. So

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00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:47,879
Speaker 1: March really does come in like a lion. First of all,

701
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 1: Marshall Goldberger running back War ninety nine, I've heard, I've

702
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 1: heard the name. He's an alzheimer at Cardinal's history and lore,

703
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 1: but I was not aware at number he retired. I

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Speaker 1: was not aware. It's one of the few numbers that

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00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: I've been retired. That's interesting, boy, okay um. I wonder

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Speaker 1: if a member of Marshall Goldberg's family might be contacted

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Speaker 1: and asked for the right to wave that right to

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Speaker 1: wear number ninety nine. Perhaps that's me I'm just amising

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Speaker 1: going forward, that'll be something to watch. I think, no

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Speaker 1: matter if it's ninety nine, ninety eight, ninety whatever it is,

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00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 1: he's gonna be a beast. Like you said, and in

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00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: the b gap Chandler Jones, it's it's interesting what teams

713
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Speaker 1: are gonna think when they see that, because I do

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Speaker 1: agree when you've got Isaiah Simmons and Buddha Baker on

715
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 1: that second and third level, that brings another aspect to

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Speaker 1: this where beyond the blitzing, if they're in coverage, both

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00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 1: of those guys are athletic freaks, and I think kind

718
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 1: of the middle of your defense is really really solid

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00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 1: right now, and I just keep thinking, Okay, what are

720
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 1: you doing at corner though? Because you got Buyer Murphy

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00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:57,479
Speaker 1: in the slot and everything looks great for about eight

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00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: or nine of your starters right now. I think you

723
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 1: can pends him in and you really like this defense

724
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:06,760
Speaker 1: except cornerback, which is a very important position. So what happens?

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00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, you want Patrick Peterson back, Maybe you

726
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: can draft a guy and bring him in. But that's

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00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 1: the biggest wild card left for me this offseason is

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Speaker 1: what's cornerback going to look like on this defense that's

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00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 1: shaping up to be pretty impressive? All right, Paul, you're

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00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 1: you're super close to Patrick. Is he going to take

731
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Speaker 1: a big discount to play with? J? J? J? Watt?

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Speaker 1: I was just going to pose that question. You know,

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Speaker 1: I think of Pat and I think of a minimum

734
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,879
Speaker 1: two year deal. Three year deal gets it done, whether

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00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 1: it's with the Cardinals or another team. But does this

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Speaker 1: change the thought process and if he faces the grim

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00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 1: reality of the market conditions which were hinted at by

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Speaker 1: both Steve Kame and Michael Bidwell and ninety eight seven

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Speaker 1: FM Arizona Sports that veteran players, and Pat had his

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00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 1: name dropped as an example. In both both times he

741
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: was cited by the decision makers, and he's maybe in

742
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:07,240
Speaker 1: return for taking a haircut much less than he anticipated.

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Speaker 1: He goes, Okay, give me a one and done, make

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00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 1: it and prove it type of deal, and he plays

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00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: for least this year, and maybe he tries to bolster

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00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: is standing and net worth and value in the next

747
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,800
Speaker 1: round of contract negotiations this time next year, Kyle, and

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00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 1: he does so playing behind a really fierce pass rush

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00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 1: that would make any secondary look good. I mean, I

750
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 1: think it's a great pass rush and it'd be an

751
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: ideal situation for him. But I think Patrick Peterson is

752
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: too good and has too much of a track record

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00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: of success for him to automatically think that way. I mean,

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00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:47,359
Speaker 1: I'm sure in his mentality he's still thinking, I'm going

755
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 1: to free agency, and whether it's the Cardinals or another team,

756
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:52,839
Speaker 1: somebody's going to give me a solid deal, I mean,

757
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: pandemic or not, Diminished salary cap or not. Look what

758
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 1: I can bring to a contender. And I think if

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00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 1: anybody him pretty fair to his market value, I don't

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00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 1: think Patrick Peterson can turn that sort of thing down

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Speaker 1: in order to come back and play for a fraction

762
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: of that. So I feel the same way about every player.

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Speaker 1: Like in the NFL, these contracts aren't completely guaranteed, like

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Speaker 1: you have to get your money, even if it's even

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Speaker 1: if you have to leave the spot you've been for

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Speaker 1: ten years. I mean, I just think that's the reality

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Speaker 1: of the situation where if Patrick Peterson gets an offer

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Speaker 1: of three or four million dollars a year more from

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Speaker 1: a team away than here, I don't think you can

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Speaker 1: turn that down. So that being said, if we're two

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00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,839
Speaker 1: weeks into free agency and the market doesn't develop, that, yeah,

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00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,400
Speaker 1: I think that makes a lot more sense. But to me,

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Speaker 1: if he's going to be one of those first wave guys,

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Speaker 1: he's not going to be a hometown discount type player,

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00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,280
Speaker 1: which nobody should be in my opinion, I just wonder

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00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: does the hometown factor more into pat He's decision making

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Speaker 1: than your typical player. His wife is a doctor. I

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Speaker 1: believe she's still doing her residency here in the there

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00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:05,839
Speaker 1: might be other ramifications or qualifying reasons, so you make

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Speaker 1: a decision to stay, especially on a one year type deal,

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Speaker 1: and maybe if it's close, like if if the offers

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Speaker 1: are close, then I could see that happening. It just

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Speaker 1: kind of depends on the different type of offers that

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Speaker 1: are on the table for him, in my opinion. And

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Speaker 1: I also think that your Patrick has probably past the

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Speaker 1: point and look if you're not gonna if you're Patrick Peterson,

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Speaker 1: I don't see taking a one year deal saying I

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Speaker 1: don't want to see what the market is next year

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Speaker 1: when things are better. I don't you're getting older. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you're it's it's not quite the same thing as if

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Speaker 1: you're a Hassan Reddick and next year you're only going

792
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Speaker 1: to be twenty seven, and you could still I mean,

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00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 1: his leverage is only going to go down as he

794
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 1: ages Patrick Peterson, that is so I think I think

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Speaker 1: he's going to be looking for the best deal he

796
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Speaker 1: can get for the most amount of money. Obviously, you

797
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:54,959
Speaker 1: want to go to a good situation. I do think

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Speaker 1: I do think he wouldn't mind staying here, and I

799
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Speaker 1: think that only increases with the idea that JJ Lot's

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Speaker 1: going to be here. But I think the Cardinals know

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00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 1: that too, and we'll kind of have to see where

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00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 1: that goes. I just reminded myself by the way JJ

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00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 1: Watt is an Arizona Cardinal. I did that numerous times

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Speaker 1: per week a year ago at this time when DeAndre Hopkins,

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Speaker 1: when we are all notified, and you just had to

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00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 1: stop and give yourself a real time reminder. D hop

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00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: is coming to the Cardinals. JJ Watt is coming to

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals. Have you seen some of the reaction that

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00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: has poured in from the other sports teams around the valley.

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Speaker 1: Tory Lavello, the d Backs manager, opened up his zoom

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Speaker 1: presser today by stating, I'd like to welcome jj Watt

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Speaker 1: to the valley and I look forward to seeing him

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Speaker 1: play on Sundays. Rick Tuckett, head coach of the Arizona Coyotes,

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Speaker 1: saying he's gonna put jj Watt on the same line

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Speaker 1: as Connor Garland hashtag find a minute of American and

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Speaker 1: quote see if anybody wants to touch gars if JJ

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Speaker 1: Watt is on the same line with Connor Garland. Because

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Speaker 1: of course he can't use his real name. It's hockey.

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00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: Everyone's got half their name turned into a nickname. So

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00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 1: that's the way it works. Darren. You know that having

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00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 1: covered the Coyotes on a daily basis, so you know

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00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,800
Speaker 1: when you're I don't know about you, guys. I immediately

823
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 1: within the first ten minutes of the news breaking got

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Speaker 1: text messages from six dudes I haven't talked to in

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00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 1: more than you're probably I haven't talked to since the

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Speaker 1: Yander Hopkins trade went down. So I mean, I guess

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Speaker 1: that's where I stand on their contact list. I'm not

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Speaker 1: worthy of being communicated with except in case of emergency.

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00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:30,839
Speaker 1: Brake Glass of Cardinals and made a Mondo signing. I mean,

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00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 1: the reality is we've become very popular when something like

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Speaker 1: this happens, Paul. I mean, that's just how it goes.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you're normally popular, don't get me wrong, right, right,

833
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 1: but clearly I had the same thing. I wouldn't say

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Speaker 1: it's people that I never talked to, but my phone

835
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 1: definitely blew up, and just with a lot of wows.

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Speaker 1: There might have actually been a couple of exclamation points

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Speaker 1: in there, as there should have been, all right, just

838
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 1: because you guys, don't you know, engage in the use

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Speaker 1: of the X sclamation point. There's a reason it exists.

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00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 1: And if not JJ Watt, then when for whom? That's

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00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 1: what I want to know? You're right, Paul, Like the

842
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: last two off seasons. It's been one of the biggest

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00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:15,839
Speaker 1: acquisitions of the entire NFL offseason, DeAndre Hopkins, and even

844
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 1: though we're early, JJ Watt is still going to be

845
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 1: one of the biggest And normally fans dream about these

846
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 1: type of scenarios and they don't come to fruition because

847
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 1: you don't often get superstars, and Britza happened two years

848
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 1: in a row is very intriguing, and like we've been

849
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 1: talking about, I think it underscores the point where the

850
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 1: Cardinals are in a team building phase where they're going

851
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 1: for it right now with Kyler on a rookie deal

852
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: and they're trying to get as much premium talent as possible.

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Speaker 1: And I think kudos to Steve Kaim to continuing to

854
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 1: build up this thing and really pushing this chips in.

855
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 1: So Darren, I don't think I got your reaction to

856
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 1: my overriding point here, and Kyle gave me be grudgingly

857
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 1: gave me a little bit of approval even though you

858
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 1: can't quantify this in an analytic To me, once again,

859
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 1: the heroes are Hardinals addressed their biggest offseason need, intensity, urgency,

860
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 1: and just general you know, consistency when it comes to

861
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 1: effort on the football field. Too often. That was cited

862
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 1: as a problem last year. It was too costly in

863
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 1: twenty twenty Week sixteen, whether it was a Week three

864
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 1: loss against Allions, week four at Carolina, most certainly it

865
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 1: was a persistent problem, the lack of consistency when it

866
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 1: comes to effort, intensity, urgency. To me, this goes a

867
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: long way just the type of person JJ Watt is.

868
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 1: Just this sheer energy he brings and his willingness to

869
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 1: be the guy. There's some guys who are quiet leaders.

870
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:45,800
Speaker 1: That's not JJ Watt. He's the guy who's going to

871
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: lead the pregame huddle on the road and you're going

872
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 1: in a key game in December, and he's the one

873
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,439
Speaker 1: getting everybody fired up, or maybe you have a slow

874
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 1: start to a game. He's the guy who has the

875
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 1: gravitas to work the entire sideline and sure everybody is

876
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: dialed in and focused on the task at hand. And

877
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:05,839
Speaker 1: and too many times, Darren, you know, we were one

878
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 1: of the few people on the road watching the Cardinals.

879
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 1: Too often you look down on the sideline and you're like, wow,

880
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 1: I mean we got to break out the jumper cables.

881
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,439
Speaker 1: I mean, seriously, this team needs a jump start. Here's

882
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: the deal, Paul, I'm going to split the difference a

883
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 1: little bit. I don't disagree. I think that is needed

884
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 1: to say it was the biggest problem. I mean, JJ

885
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: Watt is not going well at least. I don't think

886
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 1: he's going to be carrying the football on fourth and

887
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,800
Speaker 1: wall to try and gain an extra yard, or blocking

888
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: for the Chase Edmonds. I do not think they're going

889
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 1: to be sending him out on pass patterns to draw

890
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 1: to draw the defense away from DeAndre Hopkins more often.

891
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 1: I don't think he's gonna be blocking for any of

892
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 1: those running backs up front, and he certainly can't cover anybody.

893
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 1: But I do think that part helps. The reality is

894
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 1: is jj Watt had a very solid season last year.

895
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 1: He was playing with a quarterback who had one of

896
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: the best quarterback seasons of all time, and that team

897
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 1: won four games. So jj Watt isn't everything. But I

898
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 1: do think the pieces that you talk about that part

899
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 1: of it. I do think that is something that can

900
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 1: help the Cardinals, and I do think they'll put them

901
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: in the right direction. And we'll get into this on

902
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 1: further podcasts that aren't JJ Watt centric. We still have

903
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 1: lots to talk about. We still have lots of things

904
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:26,359
Speaker 1: that this need team needs to address and get better

905
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: at before games actually started. Well, and look, he can't

906
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 1: do everybody's job for him, but ecan and sure everybody

907
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 1: is completely buying in and everybody is fully vested in

908
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 1: doing their job at all times. I think that's why

909
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:49,320
Speaker 1: I see JJ watch, just because we witnessed it before. Guys,

910
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 1: I can't tell you how many times Tyron Matthew was

911
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 1: that guy in the Cardinals sideline. Klais Campbell was that

912
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 1: guy in the Cardinal sideline. And to me being down

913
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 1: there in the exception, even though it was in the

914
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 1: front row and you could see it vividly right there,

915
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 1: and in fact you could hear a lot of times,

916
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 1: a lot better than you could in a regular season

917
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 1: when the stadium was packed, it just was glaring how

918
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 1: they were missing that guy. And I presume JJ Watt's

919
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:17,839
Speaker 1: going to go a long way in that category. So

920
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 1: we'll see, we'll see. By the way, you see this

921
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 1: what Kyler Murray just tweeted out his senior year of

922
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 1: high school. He has a picture what JJ Watt and

923
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: a seventeen year old Kyler Murray standing JJ Watt. It's

924
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 1: something like Texas Football Awards banquet and they're all dressed

925
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,879
Speaker 1: in suits and ties. That's a money photo tweeted out

926
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 1: there by Kyler Murray. Well, you know he's got to

927
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:44,800
Speaker 1: be happy a because of that report we heard earlier

928
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 1: that J. J. Watt did't care about whose quarterback was

929
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 1: going to be. So he's got to feel good about that.

930
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 1: And again, if you're the if you're the quarterback of

931
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 1: this team, anything the defense can do to get better

932
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: is good, and I think that's good. Again, it's not

933
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 1: just about getting the fan base hyped up, about getting

934
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 1: the team hyped up and feeling good about it, and

935
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 1: that isn't necessarily going to win games. But I can

936
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 1: also tell you if you go into training camp, and

937
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 1: I've been around teams like this over the years here

938
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 1: and there, if you go into training camp and there

939
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 1: aren't any stars and there isn't a lot of hope,

940
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:18,839
Speaker 1: and you walk into training camp that way, we can

941
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 1: all say that it's everybody's O and O to begin

942
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 1: the year, but everybody kind of has an idea of

943
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 1: what's coming, and clearly that's not what the vibe is

944
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 1: going to be going into this season. Okay, so does

945
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 1: that mean Hard Knocks is coming? I mean, honestly, the

946
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 1: star power, it's TV. We know how this works. Cardinals

947
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 1: are just got a lot more intriguing in terms of

948
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 1: storylines and star power and reasons for people to tune in.

949
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 1: Did they knock Kyle? Yeah? I mean I think it's

950
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:53,799
Speaker 1: one of the more intriguing teams, especially on the list

951
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: of teams that are not just eligible but have to

952
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,359
Speaker 1: do it if they're chosen, and the Cardinals are one

953
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,359
Speaker 1: of a handful of teams on that list, So I

954
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 1: think it's a possibility. There's other teams and there's other draws.

955
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 1: I don't think it's automatically gonna happen, but know when

956
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 1: you got JJ Watt and Kyler and DeAndre Hopkins, I

957
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 1: mean there's a lot of bona fide superstars on this team.

958
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 1: And I think as the offseason goes on, much like

959
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 1: last year, I think the hype is gonna grow a

960
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:25,840
Speaker 1: little bit more as the offseason goes If the Cardinals

961
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 1: aren't done, maybe they add a couple more intriguing either

962
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 1: free agents or draft picks, and people are gonna look

963
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 1: at this team on paper and like the direction they're

964
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 1: heading in. So I think it's a possibility we'll see

965
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:41,919
Speaker 1: I mean I could. I could see other teams being

966
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 1: also intriguing to producers and Hard Knocks filmmakers. But yeah,

967
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 1: I think the Cardinals will be right in that mix.

968
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 1: I'm imagining Cliff Kingsbury's private reaction to something like that,

969
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 1: or Adrian Wilson's, but you know, and I get it.

970
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 1: I'm with you, Derek, because coaches all ball and he's

971
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 1: really not into that, but he would be a big

972
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 1: reason our Knocks would be interested. I mean, one of

973
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:09,280
Speaker 1: the first things I saw in some of the networks

974
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 1: when the news of the JJ Watt was once again

975
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 1: a reference to his pad in Paradise Valley. Right, you

976
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:18,800
Speaker 1: can't tell me they wouldn't work, that they'd be dying

977
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 1: to follow the coach home after every practice. It was

978
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 1: Pad in Paradise Valley and people would tune in to

979
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 1: see that. I'm wondering if there's any chance, and I

980
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 1: haven't asked them if if there's any chance Cliff, which

981
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 1: he didn't put that picture. No, I mean there's so

982
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 1: many possibilities. I mean, one half of one episode could

983
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 1: just be a tour of his backyard. Just give us

984
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 1: a tour of the house in the backyard. You would

985
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 1: draw so many people. And that should be like the

986
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 1: debut episode him getting ready for training camp practice number one,

987
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:58,319
Speaker 1: and here's the cameras at Cliff Kingsbury's house and he's

988
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 1: getting ready for a gu out on his day and

989
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:02,839
Speaker 1: you know it's one hundred and eleven degrees, but he's

990
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 1: still got the uh, you know, the fire and all

991
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 1: you know, it's all fired up in the backyard, you know,

992
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 1: I mean, oh my gosh, and the words of Cliff.

993
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 1: It would be super extra. Put it that way. I

994
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 1: feel like they can bring back Cribs and that can

995
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 1: be the pilot episode that got canceled. It feels like

996
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 1: a few years ago. But Cribs, MTV, if they're listening,

997
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:26,319
Speaker 1: don't bring it back. Don't bring up some number one

998
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury. We've had fans asking for Cardinals Cribs, including

999
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 1: a tour of the facility for years. Good idea, Let's

1000
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 1: not go down that road. That's right, Darren. I mean

1001
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:39,799
Speaker 1: you know with mail bag, you need to get that done.

1002
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 1: Come on now, I mean, you know it's well I

1003
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 1: had my mail bag almost done for this week for

1004
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 1: Tuesday morning, and now I'm gonna have to add some

1005
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 1: other things because I have a family. I've gotten them

1006
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 1: since the morning started. Yeah you can. Uh, It's like

1007
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 1: you have the whole game story written and all of

1008
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 1: a sudden there's two fumbles in the last thirty seconds

1009
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 1: that changes the outcome of the game. You mean, like

1010
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 1: hail Hail Murray happens right right right? How much your

1011
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 1: done that written? When when Hall Murray went down? How

1012
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 1: much of your story did you already have written? Correct? Well,

1013
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 1: the first version was done and it was talking about

1014
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 1: a disappointing loss and the Cardinals were in trouble and

1015
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 1: couldn't hold on to the lead and lo and behold signed. Yeah, yeah,

1016
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:26,280
Speaker 1: well this does quick call. I gotta tell you another

1017
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 1: great tweet. Um. Somebody reported that JJ Watt picked the

1018
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 1: Cardinals and the Bills were his second choice, and somebody

1019
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:40,280
Speaker 1: answered the tweet by showing the picture of DeAndre Hopkins

1020
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 1: stealing the ball from the three Bills players. Again, nice,

1021
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 1: that's right, I thought, I know you're gonna say. They

1022
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 1: they tweeted out a picture of our seventy one degree

1023
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 1: day and whatever the weather was like right now in Buffalo.

1024
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:56,240
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's even better. That's that's some serious flexing

1025
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:59,800
Speaker 1: right there, no doubt about it. What hey, look you

1026
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:02,839
Speaker 1: the other thing, if you're gonna have a seventeen game

1027
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 1: season with more national TV games than ever, what do

1028
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:10,839
Speaker 1: you think this does for their profile count? I mean,

1029
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:13,360
Speaker 1: if you're gonna go have an international game, which we

1030
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 1: have no idea, if they're just gonna go ahead and

1031
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 1: push last year's international game slated for Mexico City and

1032
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 1: have the Cardinals participate that again, guess what, you just

1033
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 1: got a lot more marketable as a team when you

1034
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:26,840
Speaker 1: add JJ Watt. Yeah, I think JJ Watson that special

1035
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 1: stratosphere of both marketable athletes in the NFL. He's so

1036
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:34,359
Speaker 1: well known. I mean, he's he does a lot for communities.

1037
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 1: I still remember how much he did for Houston from

1038
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:41,800
Speaker 1: a charitable standpoint. And obviously I don't follow JJ Watt

1039
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 1: that closely, or didn't until this news came out, but

1040
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 1: you heard about him a lot, so I think he

1041
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 1: is definitely a marketable guy. And yeah, like you said,

1042
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 1: you got Cliff Kingsbury, who everybody knows, Kyler Murray d Hop.

1043
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 1: I mean if Larry Fitzgerald comes back. You've got that

1044
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 1: aspect of it. And more than any thing, I think

1045
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 1: the trajectory of the team is important, because even if

1046
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 1: you've got stars, they don't want to put primetime games

1047
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:08,760
Speaker 1: where they think a team is gonna win five games

1048
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 1: and when they're on they're two and six. That just

1049
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 1: doesn't draw the fans. But the Cardinals are certainly on

1050
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 1: an upward trajectory. I mean, they've gone from three wins

1051
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 1: to five to eight, and now you're in kind of

1052
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:23,879
Speaker 1: the sweet spot of when you might be peaking as

1053
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:27,320
Speaker 1: a team, and I think the broadcasters and the team,

1054
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:30,840
Speaker 1: the people that make the primetime decisions, they're gonna notice that.

1055
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 1: So I do feel like the Cardinals will be decently involved.

1056
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 1: I mean, they're not Dallas and they're not a New

1057
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:39,720
Speaker 1: York team, so that has to be kept in mind.

1058
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 1: But from a pure competitive standpoint, I think I think

1059
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:45,879
Speaker 1: the people are gonna want the Cardinals on primetime. By

1060
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:48,880
Speaker 1: the way, Paul, there was a lot of talk he

1061
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:51,280
Speaker 1: would go home to Wisconsin play for the Packers. Cardinals

1062
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 1: play the Packers. There was a lot of talk that

1063
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:54,279
Speaker 1: he was going to go play with the Browns and

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Speaker 1: with Miles Garrett. If there's a seventeenth game, they play

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00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 1: the Browns, they play the Texans, there's there's there's JJ

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00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:04,840
Speaker 1: Watt centric storylines all over the place for this season,

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00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 1: and he's a great guy to have miked up. There

1068
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:11,320
Speaker 1: was an NFL Films that I retweeted and the backstory

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00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:13,720
Speaker 1: if you go through the whole thing, the NFL Films

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Speaker 1: cameraman the first time they ever miked up JJ Watt.

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00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:18,800
Speaker 1: I guess one of the guys told one of the

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Speaker 1: national writers who happened to be at the game, and

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00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 1: the guy tweeted it out. This is going to be

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00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:26,840
Speaker 1: an all timer. That was the photographer's words when he

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00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:29,800
Speaker 1: was leaving the field after the JJ Watt first miked

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00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:32,839
Speaker 1: up session. By the way, is charity work. I just

1077
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:36,840
Speaker 1: googled it up. Three different sources verify that. After Hurricane Harvey,

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00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:39,440
Speaker 1: if you remember, JJ Watt was very proactive trying to

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00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 1: raise money. The initial goal was two hundred thousand dollars.

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Speaker 1: Do you know what the final amount of money raised

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00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:48,800
Speaker 1: by J J. Watt and his foundation to relief funds

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00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 1: to help victims of Hurricane Harvey forty one million dollars plus. Wow.

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00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:56,799
Speaker 1: He's by his founds. Awesome, think about that. I mean,

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00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:59,400
Speaker 1: he's a man of the Year. I saw something that

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00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:01,840
Speaker 1: since they've been putting the Man of the Ear patches

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00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 1: on teams, if fitz happens to come back, Cardinals would

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00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 1: be the first team with two players with a Man

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00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:09,319
Speaker 1: of the Ear patch on. So he's been a man

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00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 1: of the year. We all know how greedy is for

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00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 1: that community and how hard it was for Houston to

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00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 1: lose him. I mean, this is I'll due respect to Houston.

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00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:19,759
Speaker 1: It's been a rough ride between whether they just went

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00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 1: through and then losing two of their two of their

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00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:25,720
Speaker 1: main football guys over last year, and they traded James

1095
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 1: Harden and Deshaun Watson wants out And I don't even

1096
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 1: know what to say about the Astros. We can talk

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00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:33,880
Speaker 1: to the Cubs fan over there, Kyle, but you know,

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00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:37,280
Speaker 1: it's it's been a rough ride. But hey, JJ Watson

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Speaker 1: Arizona now right, Well, the Texans power grid is just

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Speaker 1: permanently been disabled. Put it that way. You know, it's

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00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 1: by the way. And I was looking down here a

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Speaker 1: little bit. I haven't heard anything or see anything from

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Speaker 1: Larry Fitzgerald. What does this mean in context? Of number eleven.

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00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 1: I mean, come on now, Kyle, it's got to mean something, right.

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00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 1: I think it goes back to a lot of the

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00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 1: Patrick Peterson conversation where there's less salary cap dollars now

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00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:10,719
Speaker 1: than there were before this signing, So can he get

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00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:13,759
Speaker 1: as much as before? Maybe not? But is this a

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00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 1: more attractive team to return to because you feel like

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00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 1: they're closer to making a Super Bowl type run. I

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00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 1: don't know where Larry's head is at and what he

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00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 1: values more, but maybe I mean that one to me

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00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 1: makes more sense as far as the team friendly idea,

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00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 1: the point he's at in his career compared to Patrick Peterson.

1115
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 1: So we'll see what Larry wants to do. But I

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00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 1: think adding JJ Watt certainly would make him feel like

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00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 1: this team is more competitive. But he just took a

1118
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 1: big chunk of the salary cap with him, so we'll see. Hey,

1119
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 1: maybe it takes some of the national TV requests off.

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00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 1: Larry's played as well, right, he can exist more anonymity now.

1121
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 1: When the Cardinals go on the road and all the

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00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 1: broadcasters want to talk to the stars, they only can

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00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 1: select a few, and you know, maybe Larry won't be

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00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 1: an automatic anymore, and he'd be fine with that, as

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00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 1: we know guys, But Darren, seriously, the one thing you

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00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 1: can injury agree or disagree. You know Larry as well

1127
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 1: as anyone. The one thing he values more than anything

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00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 1: within the game of football is playoff football is the postseason.

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00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 1: So if Larry has a real good sense and he

1130
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 1: knows what he's looking at, if he has a gut

1131
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 1: feel that you know what this team is bound for

1132
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 1: the playoffs, I think that only enhances and bolsters the

1133
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 1: chances he's coming back, because to me, that's what he covers.

1134
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:35,400
Speaker 1: He loves January and February football. I will say this

1135
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:37,920
Speaker 1: because this did go through my mind. I don't know anything.

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00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 1: This is purely my speculation, want to put that out there,

1137
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 1: but this came out of left field. I didn't know

1138
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 1: it was coming. Most people didn't know it was coming, clearly.

1139
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 1: I bet you one person that did know it was

1140
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 1: coming was Michael Bidwell. And there's nobody closer in this

1141
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 1: organization to Michael Bidwell, possibly than Larry FitzGeralds. So I'm

1142
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 1: guessing he had an idea it might have been coming,

1143
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 1: or it was going to be a possibility. So who

1144
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 1: knows maybe that's the reason why he's kind of been

1145
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:09,440
Speaker 1: treading water to see exactly how that plays out. I

1146
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:11,640
Speaker 1: think you guys kind of. I think Paul, you might

1147
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 1: have made that point on a previous podcast. Maybe he

1148
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 1: was waiting for something, and I thought to myself, well,

1149
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 1: that's not gonna work, because they're gonna need to know

1150
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 1: before we get to free agency. And then lo and

1151
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 1: behold the one really major move you could make before

1152
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 1: free agency started with a star player, Cardinal's just made.

1153
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:29,160
Speaker 1: So maybe you were absolutely right. I'm loathed to say,

1154
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 1: but I am saying, well, he's been waiting for something,

1155
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 1: and once the cap was known, and really the cap

1156
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 1: number wasn't really a surprise. And if the cap deviates

1157
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 1: by another two or three million at most, has that

1158
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 1: really changed Larry's situation? Does another million if they throw

1159
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 1: that his way, make a difference for Larry Fitzgerald Incorporated.

1160
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 1: When his portfolio goes up or down every day by

1161
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 1: a million dollars? Are you kidding me? Based on the

1162
00:59:56,360 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 1: outcome of the stock market and the nasdac alone net

1163
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 1: worth fluctuates by a million dollars every day, you can't

1164
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:05,439
Speaker 1: tell me that's going to move the meter there's got

1165
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 1: to be other things at play, and so it would

1166
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 1: make sense that if not JJ Watt, then what else

1167
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 1: tick talk? Is there something else coming? I see pro

1168
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 1: football talk is all over the Kyler Murray for Deshaun Watson. Now,

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to start back because we're at the

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Speaker 1: very end of Cardinals Underground, brought to you my Pacific

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01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 1: Office Automatia prop partner of the Arizona Cardinals. But it

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01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 1: does make me wonder if we don't hear from Larry

1173
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 1: now by the end of this week, what else might

1174
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:36,400
Speaker 1: be out there? Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I

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01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:39,840
Speaker 1: don't know. It's hard because Larry Fitzgerald doesn't share what

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01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:42,439
Speaker 1: he's thinking or what he's doing. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: this is any sort of domino effect into his thinking

1178
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 1: or not. But maybe if they continue to add pieces,

1179
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:52,240
Speaker 1: maybe that does mean he wants to come back for

1180
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 1: less money and just really try to win a championship,

1181
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:58,440
Speaker 1: even though he doesn't get the salary that he's gotten

1182
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 1: basically every single year since he signed US first extension,

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01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 1: which is more than ten million dollars a year. And

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's an interesting question. I'd like to I

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01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:09,640
Speaker 1: wish my net Worth was at the point where I

1186
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:13,360
Speaker 1: wouldn't care if I made a million dollars more or less.

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01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:16,120
Speaker 1: I'm not at that point yet. I mean, I would

1188
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 1: prefer one million dollars more. But maybe Larry Fitzgilda's feels differently. Well,

1189
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 1: if jj Watt needs a tour of a paradise valley,

1190
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:28,360
Speaker 1: if Cliff Kingsbury is busy, then Larry's been a long

1191
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:31,040
Speaker 1: time residence so he can introduce some house hunting together

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01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 1: if needed and necessary. So all right, unless anybody else

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01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:38,600
Speaker 1: has anything they want to add here. On the day,

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01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:42,320
Speaker 1: the big big Day, JJ Watt becomes an Arizona Cardinal

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01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:46,080
Speaker 1: Darren anything on any closing parting words, as we were

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Speaker 1: gathered here today and we're now leaving the church and

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01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:53,600
Speaker 1: ready to throw the rice another amazing day, Paul, I'm

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01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:57,919
Speaker 1: glad that you're into your punctuation, and you know, I'm

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Speaker 1: sure we'll be talking about it again whenever JJ Watt

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Speaker 1: does talk, because I have a feeling Hill have some

1201
01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:06,320
Speaker 1: good things to say and we can talk about back too. Kyle,

1202
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 1: what number is JJ watting to take? If you can't

1203
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:10,680
Speaker 1: take ninety nine? By the way, that's the next pressing question.

1204
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:14,800
Speaker 1: That's front burner. I'll say ninety eight, ninety eight, okay,

1205
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 1: our Jim Alonro says, flip the nine around and make

1206
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:21,440
Speaker 1: it a sixty nine, which was worn by Jared Allen

1207
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:26,479
Speaker 1: once upon a time to pass rushing greatness. Maybe there's

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01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:28,439
Speaker 1: something in the works there, Darren, what do you think?

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01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:32,760
Speaker 1: I think those are both lovely possibilities. Maybe ninety six

1210
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:37,600
Speaker 1: another flipover. I'm not sure if that'll be available. I'm

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01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 1: sure JJ will work it out. Yeah, okay, Well, you know,

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01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:45,000
Speaker 1: once again, Russell Wilson, you might want to enhance your

1213
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 1: efforts to leave the division. Please do based on this

1214
01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:52,840
Speaker 1: latest acquisition. Jimmy G. You know your initials have been

1215
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:55,680
Speaker 1: Jimmy I R the last few years, so you might

1216
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:58,640
Speaker 1: really want to do something about leaving the forty nine ers.

1217
01:02:59,080 --> 01:03:02,200
Speaker 1: And that might be the first impact on imposing quarterbacks

1218
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:05,240
Speaker 1: is they might want to leave the division before they

1219
01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:07,680
Speaker 1: even play J. J. Watt and Chandler Jones. We'll see

1220
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Speaker 1: if that's the case, and I'm sure we'll have more

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Speaker 1: to say even later this week. And Cardinal's Underground brought

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